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Doug Jones has 22,819 thank-you cards to send this Christmas.

And Mitch McConnell has the same number of cards to send to say, I'm sorry for putting you in this situation.

Jones won Alabama's special Senate election last night, becoming the first Democratic senator from that state in 25 years.

This is huge.

Donald Trump won Alabama in a landslide.

There is no one, virtually no one,

that could have lost this election for the Republicans.

Doug Jones won because there were 22,000 Alabamians who used their votes to protest with write-in candidates, saying, I'm not willing to vote for the guy who is for abortion and I'm not willing to vote for this guy.

22,000 people who have sent the message to the Republican Party, I'm done.

Now, somebody who wasn't embroiled in scandal, somebody who

wasn't for abortion would have won in a landslide.

A better Republican candidate than Roy Moore would have received all of those write-in votes and a lot more.

In his victory speech last night, Doug Jones Jones said, this entire race has been about dignity and respect.

Which race were you watching?

Because the Alabama Senate race was only about the girls who you believed or didn't believe.

Their stories of abuse by Roy Moore 40 years ago.

That's what this campaign became about.

Roy Moore beat himself.

The White House helped him do it.

Steve Bannon is completely discredited today.

And I think Trump is in trouble.

This election was a unique, perfect storm of Moore's questionable past, coupled with the hashtag me to cultural momentum, which cast enough doubt about Moore that many voters were conflicted.

And they weren't going to do it again.

This was a single-issue election in the end.

It was the issue of Moore's past,

and he didn't have enough or do enough to convince voters of his innocence.

In fact, because of his behavior in the last few weeks, the people of Alabama apparently saw what some of us outside of Alabama saw.

I don't believe him.

Even if none of the Moore allegations had ever surfaced, he was never a good candidate.

The Republican Party is now at a crossroads.

What are you going to do?

Are you going to continue to support the candidates endorsed by Steve Bannon?

Or are you going to aim higher?

Because what we had was a choice between Mitch McConnell

or Steve Bannon.

And instead, because Republicans don't want either of those choices, what do we have?

We have Doug Jones.

Winning in a state where Republicans should have won in a landslide.

Now, I guess we could could look at this as a victory and a gift to the Republican Party, a blessing in disguise.

The only question is whether the party is smart enough to see it that way.

Now, they won't have to deal with the added drama of whether or not to expel Roy Moore from the Senate.

This is an opportunity to take stock and reset, to understand what went wrong, and why they should actually be thankful it did go wrong.

If they will realize,

if they will realize what they've done,

maybe things will change.

To realize they don't want to be a party of either Mitch McConnell or Steve Bannon.

And to remember, finally, that character and principles do matter.

It's Wednesday, December 13th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

So glad you tuned in today.

I don't know how to feel today.

I don't know how to feel because it wasn't a win.

It wasn't new.

I mean,

if you don't like

Roy more,

you know,

let me just be real honest with you.

I am torn in half.

Half of me, I'm glad.

I am so

proud of Alabama that

there were enough people with all of the excuses that could have been made of, look, it was a different time 40 years ago.

And all, quite honestly, legitimate.

Gloria all red and they faked that.

All of these things,

you could have legitimately said, if you were from Alabama and you lived there the whole time, you could have legitimately said, you know what, I'm not sure,

for all of the

distrust of the press

and all of the desire to just pound the press into,

you know, gravel, just push their face into the gravel.

For all of the anger at the

GOP,

all of those things things should have come into play.

And I think they did.

And yet, the people of Alabama,

they said, you know what?

I just, I've got a daughter.

How do I do this?

I have a daughter.

And 22,000 people, that's a lot.

22,000 Republicans said, I can't vote for the guy who's an abortion guy.

Can't.

But I am not going to go down this rabbit hole any further.

So I am, I'm really torn because we got a guy now who is for abortion, you know, anytime.

As long as that head is in the birth canal, you can kill it.

The minute that head is out, it's a baby and he's there to protect.

Oh, well, how big of you?

That's not good.

So I'm really torn today.

How do you feel?

Well, I mean, I think the clearest headline is that the people of Alabama looked at the situation and they just didn't believe that that one Roy Moore lawyer was sufficiently Jewish.

I think they're going to look back at this and maybe discover that they were wrong on that because, I mean, I think it's a serious point.

You know, look at this and what's the truth here?

You know, there are a lot of things to discuss, but

the fundamental thing you should take away from this is Steve Bannon doesn't care about Roy Moore.

Steve Bannon doesn't care about the Alabama Senate seat.

Steve Bannon doesn't care about the Senate.

Steve Bannon doesn't care about Donald Trump.

Steve Bannon cares about Steve freaking Bannon, period.

And he came out there and against every single instinct, because you can say, I don't want Luther Strange.

He's an establishment establishment guy.

You didn't need to take him.

You had a really good conservative, a guy with a master's in economics, a guy who spent the previous months leading up to this election rescuing people in a mass shooting.

You had a candidate.

And what did they do?

They went with this other guy who is a huge problem, who in previous elections was squeaking out wins in Alabama.

He won 52 to 48 last time he ran.

And so now you bring this guy out there, you roll him out there against Trump, what Trump wanted, against what any, I think, rational conservative wanted.

Sean Hannity endorsed Mo Brooks.

Every single part of this was about Steve Bannon and his ego and his power.

And so he came out and he brought this to you.

Remember who brought this to you.

Steve Bannon brought this to you.

And Breitbart.

And now they're going to all say, Oh,

you know, it was the Republican saboteurs were the ones who ruined this for Roy Moore.

Well, yeah, but if that's you, that's you.

That's Breitbart.

That's Steve Bannon.

If you want someone who sabotaged this election, it's them.

Okay, so here's the thing that you really need to know.

If you were somebody who is in the Tea Party and you believe in small government and everything else, all the things that we march for,

this one race explains

the way we've been lied to.

You had Luther Strange.

Now, who's Luther Strange?

In the primary, you have Luther Strange.

Luther Strange is a guy that everybody in the Republican Party wanted.

They all wanted him.

Donald Trump wanted him.

Mitch McConnell wanted him.

You want to drain the swamp?

You don't send Luther Strange there.

You don't send him.

But he was voting 100% with with Donald Trump, right?

So Donald Trump didn't want that, you know, swamp to be drained.

He liked that, and that's why he endorsed him.

So, so you're Mitch McConnell.

Mitch McConnell wants Luther Strange.

Who does he not want?

You can take all of your money and you can take all of your power and all of your clout, and you can put it behind Luther Strange, or you can take it and you can put it against someone else.

And so, what do they do?

They take it and take out the guy who is the constitutionalist, who is the small government guy.

You take out the real reformer, the reformer that is based on the Constitution, the guy who is straight up a good guy, has been performing really, really well, and as Tu pointed out, was saving lives.

Okay?

You couldn't get this is Mr.

Smith goes to Washington and you just sent Jimmy Stewart packing.

And why?

Because the establishment

wanted the establishment pick.

And so Mitch McConnell destroys

Mo Brooks, just destroys him.

Donald Trump is right there on the same train because he doesn't like the small government constitutionalist either.

So what happens?

The people in Alabama go, I don't want that guy because I know what that guy is.

That guy is a Mitch McConnell crony.

This is the same kind of guy we're trying to get out.

We're going to pick him and send another one in.

We want the swamp drained.

And so, who's left?

The guy who rides in on a horse.

Now, with everything that Roy Moore had going for him, he also had some pretty heavy baggage.

And that's before the Washington Post.

So by default,

because of Mitch McConnell

and Steve Bannon,

you are sitting here in this situation.

This should tell you,

And I hope that there's somebody in Washington who is hearing this message.

The American people want the swamp drained.

And they don't trust Mitch McConnell.

And thank God, they no longer trust people like Steve Bannon.

They no longer will put up with, you know, just the cries of the press.

Oh, the press is evil.

The press is, you know, fake news, fake news, fake news.

You know what?

Yeah, there is fake news, but not all of it is fake news.

And I'm not riding that into the gates of hell.

This is this was a really good sign of

the Republic had a,

you know, all of a sudden, our

EKG machine started to beep, beep.

We started seeing some signs of life again.

This was

a good night for the Republic.

If

my analysis is correct, that we

want change.

We do not want the establishment change.

We are still more pissed at Mitch McConnell than we've ever been.

We want those guys out of there.

We are no longer going to put up with the

distractions.

We're not imbeciles.

We want somebody just to do the right thing.

I think that is a really good sign.

I think that's a really good sign.

Unfortunately, it has come at a high price of now,

what?

Having a guy in who is not going to be helpful in the Senate.

No, I mean, lessons often do come at a high price.

Yes.

You know, and I think, you know,

this is a mistake made long before, long before Roy Moore was accused of what he was accused of.

Yes.

I mean, certainly he would have won without those accusations, but that was the risk you ran with running him as a candidate.

And, you know, a Democrat winning in Alabama is like Ronald Reagan in the 80s going over and winning the mayorship of Moscow.

It's like, it makes no sense.

It's almost impossible to blow it.

And yet,

Steve Bay, Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell for trashing Mo Brooks in the primary, both of them,

they were capable of doing something that most people thought was unthinkable, blowing the Alabama Sun its seat.

Donald Trump picked Sessions because he knew it was easy to replace Sessions with a Republican because he had 60% approval rating.

He walked away with that state.

But I'm telling you, I really think the American people, this is a really good thing, are done with the lies.

They're done with the covering up for somebody who you're like, you know what?

I think he did it.

They don't want any more of that.

They don't want any more scandal.

They don't want any more trouble.

They just want people to go in and do their damn job.

That's the message that I got from Alabama last night.

You mean along with the idea that the lawyer was not sufficiently Jewish?

Because I think he...

Well, no, no.

Roy Moore

has not conceded yet.

He's going to contest this.

He's going to meet with his lawyers as soon as Hanukkah is over.

That's right.

They can't even address this right now.

He can't address this.

His attorney is celebrating Hanukkah.

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You know, Thomas Jefferson said,

trust the people.

They'll eventually get it right.

Winston Churchill said, I love Americans.

They will always do the right thing, but only after they have exhausted every other

possibility.

Was the right thing done?

Is this trust the people?

They'll eventually get it and

they'll do it.

Is that what happened last night?

I don't know because, I mean, it's not like they selected a good candidate to be a senator.

No, but they had a limited choice there, obviously.

But this is not a good outcome, as you know pointed out.

It's a very bad outcome.

It's an outcome that was completely avoidable.

But I think it's a better outcome

for the long term, for the conservative movement.

I think it's a better outcome.

Otherwise, today we'd be answering questions of, you know, how come conservatives and Christians will just vote for this guy?

Yeah, no, it's true.

I mean, so it's a good outcome for the long term because this guy, you know, Jones, can be replaced.

And if you put a good candidate up against him, he should be able to win.

We said this yesterday.

We shouldn't overstate the importance of this election.

It really is.

What's going to happen here is you have one more Democrat with a Republican majority for two years, and then there's going to be another election there.

It's not the end of the world.

It's not good.

But, I mean, the people are like, oh, well,

now all these babies are going to get aborted.

Abortion's already legal.

I hate to break this to you.

And he's not going to change that.

It's not going to change.

Roy Moore was not the key to that vote, sadly.

I wish he was, because if he was, it would have been a lot easier.

You would have overlooked almost anything.

The issue here, though, is

there's a struggle here between two really bad choices.

And I think you're right.

Roy Moore, there's a long-term risk with Roy Moore that it could be very negative for the downside of a couple of years of one out of 100 votes.

And, you know, so in 2020, you can run Mo Brooks and have a good senator.

You know, you can rectify that choice in just two years.

So that's a positive for Alabama, and or you can run somebody else who would be a good choice.

So, what does this mean for the conservative movement?

What does this mean going forward?

What does this mean for Donald Trump?

Jonah Goldberg joins us next.

Glenn back.

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it was an interesting night uh

and

bad because we have uh a democrat in uh the senate good because i think it's it has given the republicans a chance to redeem themselves which i think is really important for the conservative movement moving forward i mean

um

we were facing a situation.

Any Republican should have won Alabama.

Any Republican.

Mel Carnahan could have won yesterday.

Yeah, I know he's dead.

And also not a Republican.

No, he was.

Yeah,

he's dead.

Yes.

Anyone dead could have won

yesterday

against a Democrat in Alabama,

but that obviously didn't happen because you have Roy Moore and Kermit Gosnell could have beaten Roy Moore.

So we have an interesting situation and possibly a chance to breathe new life into the movement.

Jonah Goldberg is here, senior editor, National Review.

How you doing, Jonah?

Dr.

Beck.

Good to be back.

Good to speak to you, sir.

And thank you for addressing me as a doctor.

I appreciate that.

You know,

in German, if you have more than one doctorate, you get called Dr.

Doctor.

So, you know,

if you get another doctorate, you know, I'll call you Doctor Doctor back.

Okay, well, I don't think

there's a real chance of me getting a second doctorate.

But,

you know, hey, I'm still young.

So, Jonah, how did you feel last night?

And how do you feel this morning?

Well, you know,

I was very happy about it all last night, but mostly for base and

unmench-like reasons,

I was wallowing.

I should have brought out one of those inflatable kiddie pools.

Hello?

Did we lose him?

Hmm.

It just seemed like the

ball.

Yeah, we were getting to a good Jonah Goldberg line, too.

It was involving a kiddie pool.

I guess that's kind of how I felt last night.

I was.

Yeah, I don't think I.

Yeah, it's interesting.

I would like to hear his explanation of that.

Because there is that level of

there are a lot of people who said they were a lot smarter than everyone else who told you that Roy Moore was the right guy.

And he wasn't.

I think quite clearly we now know that.

That being said, it's a really bad outcome.

I mean, there was not a good outcome.

I don't think happiness was possible watching that last night.

There was a bad candidate running against a bad candidate.

And, you know, I don't think there was a positive outcome that makes you happy after that.

And we lost Jonah.

He's back now.

You said you were thinking about getting a kiddie pool.

Yeah, I was getting a kiddie pool and filling it up with Schadenfreude because I was just

wallowing in the misfortune of Steve Bannon, who I think is easily the most overrated

political strategist, Bengali mastermind in my lifetime.

Horrible.

I mean,

literally, a monkey throwing darts at lists of names would have a better winning track record than Steve Bannon has had in the last year and a half picking challengers to incumbent Republicans.

And yet he still has this bizarre Jedi-like

hold over a lot of people as somehow brilliant because he can quote Cicero or something.

And I don't get it.

Yeah,

you think

this has discredited him enough?

Let me ask you this.

I think think what happened, Mitch McConnell wanted Luther Strange.

The people of Alabama did not want Mitch McConnell's pick.

They didn't want Mitch McConnell.

And then Steve Bannon comes in and does, you know, tries to do

the whole just deny it and just keep rolling and people won't care and just keep bashing fake news.

And I think people, I think it was a turning point.

People were like, you know what, I'll accept some of that, but not all of that.

No,

I think that's right.

And it's worth remembering that Bennon didn't have anything to do with orchestrating Roy Moore's win in the primary.

He just parachuted in and took credit for it.

You know, there's this long-held

rule of thumb among rainmakers on K-Street, you know, these consultants.

And the rule is when it rains, dance.

That way you can take credit.

for something that you had nothing to do with.

So he wanted, of all the things that he wanted credit for, was Roy Moore.

And we'll give him credit.

Yeah,

good luck with that.

But,

you know, more broadly,

I think the results can be wildly overread.

You know, I listened to the head of the DNC this morning, Tom Perez, on a bunch of different networks, and they're talking about how the

Doug, you know, the Doug Jones coalition in Alabama is something that can be replicated elsewhere.

No, it can't.

It just can't.

It was a unique situation, and it wasn't that the coal, I mean, it was impressive of African-American turnout, but the most impressive thing and the real decisive thing was just the number of Republicans and conservatives who stayed home or rode in someone other than either of those guys.

And I think I find that encouraging.

I think we got, I mean, it sucks to lose a Senate seat.

You know, I actually want Trump's, you know, I want the tax bill.

at least the version of it I hope that comes out of all this.

I want that to pass.

And

there's a lot of important things that the Senate could do, and it stinks to lose a Senate seat.

But the decision to throw away that Senate seat was made six to 12 months ago.

Yes.

And to blame

people now for saying, oh, you know,

to blame people who had a moral objection to someone who was credibly accused of preying on teenage girls,

for a guy who had a thumbless grasp of the Constitution while claiming to be its foremost champion, for a guy who was essentially a bigot and a crackpot.

To say that somehow

you're not principled or you're not a team player if you have a problem with this guy is ridiculous.

You put up a monster and then expect people to fall in line, you're going to get this kind of situation.

At the same time, the omens are really bad for the GOP going into 2018.

The Virginia results were much more, I would be much more terrified reading those tea leaves than the Alabama tea leaves.

But

the most important number coming out of Alabama is

only 48% of

Alabamians approve of Donald Trump.

You know, a Republican president in Alabama should be polling at like 65%.

And that, I think, is a real omen that we could be seeing a wave coming that could flip the House.

And I think the Senate is a bridge too far, but it could, you know, but possibly flip the Senate.

So, Jonah,

does this

give an omen of a couple of things?

One,

possibly Donald Trump is going to be in trouble.

You know, the Democrats are going to use all of the women and the accusations against him.

And it seems to me that even the Republicans are now saying, you know what, I don't want anything to do with this.

At least there's a number of them, enough to really cause problems.

Does this make the case against Donald Trump stronger?

And at the same time, does this make the conservatives' case of standing up for women and not being dirtbags?

Does it make us stronger?

I think yes and no.

I mean, look, first of all,

people are giving

the Democrats

a hard time for so cynically forcing out Al Franken, who I have to, yeah.

You know, it would take a heart of stone not to laugh at what's going on, you know, with Al Franken.

This guy resigned solely so they could tee up the Roy Moore as the Medusa's head of the Republican Party, you know, this horrible, evil creature that the Republicans embrace in their heart.

And then the guy doesn't win.

And so Al Franken's just sort of left standing out there at the bus stop, like, you know, what do I do now?

But, you know, look, I mean, the Democrats, I think, got through Franken under the bus

purely for oh, not purely, but almost purely for cynical partisan reasons, that they wanted to set up this argument against Trump and Roy Moore.

And

fine, it's fine to point that out, but it's also worth sort of celebrating that because you're the political incent political incentives in a healthy country are supposed to force politicians to do the right thing.

And, you know, this has always been, you know, a point I've been trying to make to conservatives for 20 years now, which is that the point of the conservative movement has never been to get

people with R's after their name elected.

The point of the conservative movement is to change attitudes and values in this country to the point where crazen political creatures of both parties see it as being in their own political self-interest to do the more conservative thing.

or to do the right thing.

And so, yeah, the Democrats were being cynical about all this.

I think the Republicans are in an interesting spot.

The

Me Too stuff, the women's stuff, is a little harder for the Democrats to use because they were really counting on Roy Moore.

Yes.

And so this gives, I think, a little bit of a breather for Republicans to

get their bearings.

I also just think that it gives the Republicans a chance.

One of the things that is so messed up and dysfunctional in our politics is that Trump, Republican, elected Republicans act as if Trump is an incredibly powerful president.

But

by almost any historical metric, Trump is a remarkably weak president.

The problem is he has great strengths over

a statistically significant slice of the primary electorate.

And that makes these guys terrified.

And so you get this sort of weird situation where

a lot of Republicans feel that they have to say nice things about Trump, but they can vote any way they want.

You know, I mean, this is one of the things that drives me crazy right now:

the incentive structure is to have almost no party discipline when it comes to how you vote, but absolute discipline about how you praise the leader

and the fantastic wheat harvests he's going to deliver.

But

doesn't this change now because uh luther strange didn't get in and trump was for him and then trump tried to go in and help roy more pull off a miracle here i mean doesn't that change he doesn't have if he should if he could cast a spell he should have cast it in alabama and that's the one place it would have it would have taken

no i think that's right and i i think this points to something that i wish republicans could think more clearly about there is no such thing

as trumpism without trump yes

Bannon keeps trying to make Fetch happen, and it doesn't work.

He keeps trying to make it as if there is this Trumpist nationalist movement out there when at best it's a little rump of a movement.

And every time he tries to put up these sort of Trumpist candidates to sort of replicate the Trump model, they fail spectacularly.

And so

the thing is, is that So there is only Trumpism with Trump, but Trumpism isn't an ideological thing when it comes to Trump.

It's a personality thing.

It's a cult of personality because there is no ideological coherence to

what Trump's own version of Trumpism is.

He changes on a dime all of the time because for him it's about ego and narcissism and his personal glory.

He doesn't care about the details of legislation.

And so what would be great is if Republicans, particularly in the House, understood that

they should worry about

what their agenda is regardless of Trump, because Trump will declare anything that they do a victory anyway.

Yes.

Just sign anything.

Yeah, and just make the best legislation you can consistent with conservative principles that helps you get re-elected.

Yes.

And stop sweating about Trump's tweets and the rest because

they're

St.

Elmo's fire.

They flare up and they disappear within six minutes in this weird news cycle that we're in.

Jonah Goldberg from National Review Online.

Thank you so much.

Hey, great to be back.

Thanks, guys.

Of course, read Jonah on NationalReview.com at Jonah N-R-O on Twitter.

And he's got a new podcast out as well you should check out.

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And

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His dad fought fought against progressives for a very long time and

he wrote Liberal Fascism.

And that was the book that I really started to really dig in and go, wait, wait, wait, I didn't know any of this.

You've not

read.

It's one that you should have on your shelf at your home.

Your kids should read Liberal Fascism by Joel Goldberg.

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But I'm not sure that that is the accurate definition.

In fact, Merriam-Webster, I do not think the word means what you think it means.

Here's how I would define feminism today in America.

Leftist activism that is fueled by perpetuating the victimization of women.

The feminist movement has never been concerned with actually achieving equality between the sexes.

Now, that's not to say there aren't those who claim to be feminists who do believe that as an individual, but the organizations don't.

They are not even concerned with the equality of women.

The activists who label themselves feminists don't seem to care about the baby girls who are aborted every year.

They only care about their mothers.

Well, that could lead you to draw to the conclusion that

it's because moms can vote and babies can't.

Like it or not, feminism herds women into a voting block that can be manipulated by the left.

It treats women as a group to be conquered, not as unique individuals.

Feminism has always been a collective movement.

I don't believe in collectivism.

I believe in the power of the individual.

If you're in a collective movement, you have to believe that you are an inherent victim.

You're incapable of changing your life and your circumstance without politics and marching outside together with something or someone.

Women don't need to be empowered.

You don't need to be empowered.

You already have all the power you need to determine your future.

They certainly don't need a feminist to fight their battles for them.

It's Wednesday, December 13th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

There is a book that I've read that

I think is an absolute must-read.

In fact, I had everybody on my staff.

I've kind of assigned it to everyone.

And everyone says the same thing.

The title turns them off, and they think they know what this book is.

Well, don't judge a book by its cover.

There is a book called Collusion, and it's by Luke Harding.

He is the author of the Snowden Files.

He is also with The Guardian, and

he has written a terrifying look at what is really going on with Russia and the United States.

And it is a bipartisan problem.

This is something that no one is really paying attention to.

And Putin is winning, and he's tearing us apart.

And when you see who he really is and what they are willing to do,

and then you see who's involved with them here in America, it is a terrifying look that we better pay attention to and stop playing partisan politics around.

Luke Harding, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir?

Thank you, Glenn.

Great to be with you.

So

let's start with Putin.

You know,

it's a known fact, this is the largest foreign intelligence influence operation in the history of our country.

Nobody's really kind of paying attention to that.

That is stunning and shocking and should take everybody's breath away.

However,

we diminish it for a couple of reasons.

We don't want to look at it, or we will say, well,

he just disliked Hillary Clinton, or it's the release of the Panama Papers.

He's fighting to correct what he believes was the error of the Cold War.

Is he not?

Yeah, I mean, I think Putin basically thinks that it is the Cold War still, or if you like, it's kind of Cold War II.

That obviously the Soviet Union collapsed,

and with it, communism

in the early 1990s.

I mean, Putin famously described this as the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.

And he he regards the nineteen nineties when America was dominant, was a kind of unrivaled superpower on the world stage, and Russia was weak as a period of national humiliation.

And really, since he became president in 2000, seventeen years ago,

he's been seeking to kind of reverse that, to make Russia

a

force on the international stage and equal to the United States, even though, let's face it, the Russian economy is no match for America's.

And actually, in many respects, it's falling apart.

But this is a project.

It's an ultra-nationalist project.

And the thing you have to understand about Putin is he's a zero-sum guy.

He really thinks that what is bad as America, bad for America, is what's good for Russia.

It's as simple as that.

He is, you know, it's interesting to me that in 1999, Osama bin Laden said, what I did to Russia, I will do to the United States, or what I did to the Soviet Union, I will do to the United States.

He took credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And I remember thinking, boy, that's pretty arrogant.

And yet, here we are repeating just in reverse

much of what happened, and we are blind to it.

You know, the Pope, Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan, we were instrumental.

We were inside the Soviet Union, dismantling them from the inside.

At the same time, they were economic, you know, had their economic troubles, and they were mired in Afghanistan.

Isn't Putin doing just the exact same thing now?

Well, I mean, I think that's right.

Although, I think you can exaggerate.

I mean, obviously, the U.S.

played a big role in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and

successive American leaders were its adversary against communism.

But I think ultimately, it collapsed because of its own internal weakness, because of economic problems, because of the sheer fact that when he went to the shop, there was nothing there.

And I think this did did for it plus a kind of yearning for for greater kind of freedom but but what Putin has done is he's he's taken Russia which I think in the 1990s you can probably best describe as a as a semi-democracy and and he shifted it in in a more authoritarian direction with with distinct neo-Soviet moments and and one thing he's revived is this great tradition of Moscow meddling in other people's elections.

Now, that happened throughout the Cold War.

It wasn't terribly successful.

Your listeners probably don't remember, but there was a big attempt by the KGB, the Soviet spy agency, to do down Ronald Reagan and portray him as a warmonger.

It wasn't very effective.

But now we're kind of back in the 21st century, and those methods are being used again, both in the United States and in my backyard in Europe.

So

you write about a wave of suspicious, influential Russian deaths that broke out after the details of this influence operation broke out.

Can you go through a little bit of this?

Well, yes.

I mean, obviously there was the famous dossier by Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer, which came out

in January.

And I think what's kind of interesting is that quite a few people on Capitol Hill, a few senior journalists, think tankers, they knew some of the allegations inside the document.

And I think it's pretty clear that Russian security services, who, as you say, Russian spy agencies, have a huge footprint in America, also got wind of this.

And

what happened as well, although we can't say it's kind of causally connected, is that a whole series of Russian diplomats dropped dead in New Delhi, in Athens, in Greece.

There was a diplomat who fell from the roof from the Soviet mission in New New York.

Vitaly Churkin,

who was Russia's ambassador to the United Nations, also died, although the the the the cops say it was a heart attack, no suspicious play.

Another diplomat was shot dead in Moscow.

And I I think the way we can read this is we don't know if these are sources who who spoke to US intelligence, but what we can say is that there was a clear attempt by the Kremlin to to weed out people they may have regarded as traitors

and to deliver the customary punishment in these circumstances, which is death.

I want to get into

some of the people

that most Americans, you know, they hear people like Michael Flynn, and they don't know really who Michael Flynn is.

There's

another character that

you spell out,

and it's truly frightening, Carter Page,

and how he has been dealing with Moscow and how they

viewed him and the operation that they have to get close and infiltrate our government officials.

We're going to take a quick break and come back and go into the

way Russia moves and the way Russia is infiltrating here in the United United States and who their pawns are and how they've moved them around a chessboard when we come back.

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Glenn Back.

We're talking to Luke Harding.

He has written a book called Collusion.

And don't judge a book by its cover.

You need to read this book.

He is laying out a case on Russia and how Russia has infiltrated our government at the highest levels and

what's really going on.

We have to stop making this about Donald Trump and about Hillary Clinton, in my opinion, and start making this about what's going on.

Let the chips fall where they may.

We have some bad people who are playing footsie with some really bad people in Russia.

Let's start with Mike Flynn, Luke.

Most people don't know who he is.

They don't know much about him.

You know, then they're trying to make it sound like he was guilty of telling a little white lie to the FBI.

Who is he?

Well, yeah, Glenn, I mean, I think there's more to Mike Flynn than that.

He's a career military intelligence guy.

He was active, very active in Iraq.

He kept on being promoted.

And he became the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, a very prestigious post.

He was eventually fired from there by the Obama administration because a lot of his colleagues, people he worked with, thought that he was becoming increasingly erratic and, I guess you could say, detached from reality.

And I think what's interesting about Michael Flynn is that he had a meeting with Donald Trump in 2015 and became a kind of informal advisor to his campaign.

And really the second that that happened, the sort of the Russians, and in particular Sergei Sergei Kislyak, who who was who was until recently the Russian ambassador to the United States, started wooing Michael Flynn.

And you probably remember, brought him over to Moscow for a famous dinner in late 2015, where he actually sat next to Vladimir Putin and started paying him money.

He got an appearance fee.

He made speeches on behalf of Russian interests.

And I think rather unwisely, he didn't declare this, he should have done to the Department of Defense.

And what we can say about this is this is kind of classic Moscow tactics, that you try and cultivate someone, you influence them, you give them money, see if they accept it, and gradually you try and claim them.

Aaron Powell, tell me about him calling himself General Misha.

Well, I mean, this is a kind of extraordinary footnote in this story.

He met a British-Russian postgraduate.

He was giving a speech when he was still head of the Defense Intelligence Agency in Cambridge in England, university town.

And

he had a very animated discussion with her about Soviet history, about Stalin.

He invited her to be his personal interpreter on a trip to Moscow, which never happened.

And they had a kind of correspondence where he signed himself off as General Misha.

Now, Misha is the equivalent of Mike in Russian.

Now,

of course, I think that was a joke, but I also think that

Flynn's kind of willingness to engage with the Russians and indeed with the Turks, he was lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government we now know, made him vulnerable, actually, and raises questions as to why he became national security advisor.

Tell me about his appearance at the GRU and what that is and how unprecedented this is.

Well, this is another very curious episode.

So, again, while he was still intelligence chief in 2013, he was invited by Ambassador Kisiliak to tour the headquarters of the GRU.

Now, everybody is head of the KGB.

That's the sort of famous Soviet spy agency.

But it has an even more secretive equivalent in military intelligence called the GRU with a vast purpose-built headquarters.

in Moscow, opened in 2006 by Vladimir Putin himself.

And Flynn was invited inside the building, which was unprecedented, to give a talk on leadership.

And you might think, well, nothing wrong there, Russian-American cooperation, and so on.

But I've talked to defectors, people who very bravely have fled the Soviet Union to the West, who were in the GRU, who say this was highly unusual.

One of them told me when I heard the news that Michael Flynn, American general, had gone round the GRU headquarters, I nearly ate my tie.

And he essentially speculated that

the Russian spy agency was checking Flynn out, wanted to take a a close look at him, wanted to talk to him, wanted to evaluate whether he might be useful for them.

So

what are you alleging Flynn was doing

with

the Russians, and why was it so dangerous for us?

Well, I mean, the thing is, I think Flynn would say that he did nothing wrong, that there was no

treasonous element here, that he was merely replying quite properly

to government-approved invitations, his trips to Moscow, and so on.

But I think

there's a question of judgment.

I mean, if you take money from the Russian state, I mean, first of all, that's not a terribly good thing to do, but secondly, you have to declare it, and he didn't.

And I think that the problem is that you become more and more beholden to Russian interests, so that when Sergei Kislyak calls, or they have a discussion, which we know they did, in December of last year, and they talk about sanctions, then of course

Flynn almost, he's almost, he kind of almost owes Moscow something.

I mean, that's certainly the arrangement that Russia would want.

And I think that's a kind of

tricky position for any national security advisor to be in.

So Trump has had an unshakable defense with Flynn.

Why?

Does he know?

Does he not know?

Does Flynn have something?

You know, the FBI has flipped him.

What would he have to spill?

Well, I think quite a lot.

And wherever you stand on this story, and I know, of course, the President denies it, and a lot of people believe it is all a plot.

It's all fake news.

I think there are awkward questions here.

In particular, Flynn, we know, was discussing sanctions last year with a Russian ambassador.

He said he didn't, but then he admitted that he lied, and he did.

This is sensitive because it's the number one thing that Putin wants from America.

He wants America to lift sanctions.

And the question is, when Flynn was doing this, was this a sort of freelance operation or was this sanctioned from the White House and possibly from the president-elect himself?

And what we now know from Bob Miller's indictment is that Trump talked before he met the Russian guy with Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law.

And

so the question now is whether Kushner in turn had sought approval from the president-elect.

And so I think wherever way you cut it, the trail, whether you like it or not, is moving closer and closer towards the White House.

Okay.

Back in just a second.

Luke Harding,

author of a book about Russia and the United States, and you need to read it.

It's called Collusion.

Glenn, back.

You're listening to the Glenn Back program.

You know, so much of life makes us comfortable, comfortable, especially in our own views.

Algorithms make us very, very comfortable, and they show us only the things that we agree with.

The only way we grow is if we look at things we don't think we agree with and see if they have any value to them.

It's the reason why I picked up the book Collusion by Luke Harding, and there is a lot of value in this book, but I want to make sure that

you understand.

I believe that this is a bipartisan problem in this country.

It's happening with Putin all over the world, not just America.

If you look at just General Flynn, let's remember he was a Democrat.

He went to the GRU and spoke there under Obama.

Obama fired him.

Trump then picked him up.

Obama said, don't.

And then Trump figured it out and he fired him.

So

this is this, everybody is involved in this.

We have to understand how Russia works.

I want to talk a little bit,

Luke.

Luke Harding is with The Guardian.

He's the author of this book, Collusion.

But he was also,

you were the Moscow, the head of the Moscow division for the Guardian, were you not, Luke?

That's right, Glenn.

I was there for four years between 2007 and 2011 with my wife, Phoebe, and our two relatively small kids.

And I think actually what happened to me, to us,

is instructive, just to perhaps give your listeners an idea

what America is dealing with.

Because

we suffered a series of break-ins in our apartment by the FSB.

That's the successor spy agency to the KGB.

And they did all sorts of kind of very obvious and spooky stuff.

For example, they didn't like the articles I was writing for my newspaper.

And on one occasion, we came back and we discovered the bedroom window next to my small six-year-old son's bed, which we had double locked, had been bust open and and there was a twenty meter drop to the courtyard below.

Now now how are you supposed to interpret that?

The the message that they were basically sending was, you know, be careful what you do or your your kids might meet with a with an accident.

And w we we were surveilled.

I was occasionally followed uh ra round the icy streets of Moscow by

spy guys wearing cheap black leather jackets

and so on.

And to be clear, the kind of heroes of this yeah, sorry.

Would you just tell the story about

Putin is known for getting rid of his enemies by either setting up or falsifying sexual

videos

and discrediting you.

Tell the story about what happened.

That's his MO.

What happened with you and your wife at your house?

Yeah,

well, that's right.

I mean, the thing is,

again, we don't know what happened with Donald Trump in Moscow in 2013, and we can't really kind of call that.

But what I can tell you is that there's a long tradition of the KGB and the FSB

violating your private sphere, if you like, and surveilling people.

And I know that because we talked to the British Embassy in Moscow.

They work very closely with the Americans, of course, and they told me, I was told by British diplomats, that

our

flat was bugged, our apartment was bugged.

Not only that, but our bedroom was bugged, and there was video as well.

So we had no

private space

for almost three and a half years.

And they let us know because on one occasion they left

a manual in Russian with with advice on sex and relationships.

And

the message

from the KGB was basically, we are watching you guys.

And

it's kind of funny, but it's kind of terrible.

It's terrifying.

I know that American businessmen go over and they will send people to the rooms.

And,

you know, then they have you on videotape if you happen to take them up on this or whatever.

But they also falsify videos.

The reason why I bring this up is because that's what's in one of the things, probably the only thing that most people know is that there was this salacious

act going on with Donald Trump.

We don't know if that's true or not, but we do know that that is exactly what Putin does.

This is coming from the KGB or the FSB because this is what he does.

Whether it's real or not, they make them up and they show the real things.

Yeah, I mean, it's what they do.

It's what has been done since the Cold War times.

I mean, I agree with you on Donald Trump.

We don't know what happened, but for sure, there will be a tape because they would tape the presidential suite of that five-star hotel for whoever is staying to see what they can get.

But there's a rich,

well-documented tradition of the KGB sending attractive young women to try and seduce high-profile Westerners.

Glenn, they even had a name.

The KGB called them swallows, and they would send these women swallows.

And of course,

if you succumb to this approach, then of course, fairly soon afterwards, the KGB will get in touch.

There'll be photos, there'll be blackmail, you do this for us, or we expose you.

And this is a very basic playbook.

But the point is that Putin is using the same playbook that he learned about when he was a junior spy in the 1970s.

So tell me about Christopher Steele, because Christopher Steele is the spy of all spies

and has a great record when he's with MI6.

So tell me a little bit about him quickly and then we'll move on.

Well,

he's a British spy.

Well, he was a British spy.

He spent 22 years working for UK intelligence, three years

in Moscow, where he had a front-row seat on history.

I mean, he watched the Soviet Union collapse.

He watched Boris Yeltsin famously stand on that tank outside the White House,

and he saw the kind of birth of the new Russian Federation.

And I would just say quickly, I mean, people I've spoken to say he's credible.

He's not got a sort of political dog in this fight.

He's just someone who was worried about what he thought was happening to American democracy, how it was being subverted from outside, and therefore gave his material to the FBI.

He didn't say, you know,

find all this to be true.

He said

evaluate it, prove it, disprove it, but take it seriously.

That was his message.

So here's the problem because of Fusion GPS and their involvement.

Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS, they're working with the DNC in the Clinton campaign against Trump on, you know, finest dirt, and it's coming from Moscow.

And at the same time, the same organization is working with the Russians to lobby against the Magnitsky Act.

I mean,

it's an odd conflict of interest, and it makes things murky.

Why should we trust Fusion GPS?

Well, I mean, I think you don't necessarily have to trust Fusion GPS.

But what I can say about Christopher Steele is that he didn't know who the client was, at least not at first.

He had no idea.

He didn't know it was the DNC.

And obviously, previously, it was a Republican, a Marco Rubio supporter, Paul Singer, who commissioned Fusion GPS.

I mean, all Steele knew was that he was given a question.

And the question was, what is Donald Trump's relationship with Russia, in particular, with business?

And we know that Mr.

Trump has got a long history of business dealings with

the Russians.

And so he sent this...

question out to his sources and they started reporting back.

So I mean, I understand there's a lot of noise about process, about who paid for the dossier, but I don't think that that affected what Chris Steele wrote.

And I don't think

it affected his conclusions, which were pretty scary.

So, is there a smoking gun, Luke?

Is there something that shows that Donald Trump

traded policy plans or anything like that

for favors or help or money or anything?

Do you think there's going to be a smoking gun?

I suspect there will be a smoking gun of some kind.

I think the financial questions about what deals

Mr.

Trump may or may not have made with Russian interests, I think, is

interesting and I think clearly of interest to Robert Muller wherever you stand on the politics of this.

But if I can, I'd just like to make one broader point, which is just to sort of say that

the point about who Moscow backs, it doesn't matter whether it's the left or the right.

They've backed both in the past.

The Soviet Union used to support the American Communist Party.

It was secretly funneling money

from

cells in Manhattan to people on the left in America.

At the moment,

I would say they have been supporting Donald Trump, but they could very easily drop him in the future and support a Democrat.

I mean, it's about what the strategic need is.

It's not about loyalty to any political party.

And I think what you were saying earlier is right.

This is a bipartisan problem for America.

It's a problem for the Europeans.

It's a problem for the Brits, where I sit in London.

And we need to wise up to this, otherwise we will lose.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Do you think there's

a possibility?

I'm very concerned about the DOJ and the FBI

because I don't think they've been behaving properly during the last administration or this administration.

Too many people in both parties laugh off Russia when they're in charge and then cry boogeyman when they're not in charge.

I think Russia

is the number one enemy of the United States and our way of life right now.

And they are actively infiltrating in many different levels.

Do you have any indication at all that they're in with FBI or DOJ or should we worry about them?

I mean,

they would certainly like to be clear.

I mean, for sure.

I mean, traditionally, certainly in Soviet times, they have had very well-placed sources

in the FBI that they've managed to recruit, people who've subsequently been exposed as traitors and who've served long

prison sentences.

But I would just say that

in a way, what I can explain is how Putin sees it.

I mean, Putin does see America as the main enemy, as it was 30 or 40 years ago, and under communism.

I mean, the KGB has a term for it in Russian.

America is described as the Glavny Protivnik, which means the main adversary with a cap M and a cap A.

And the generation of people now in charge in Russia, the people around Vladimir Putin, all have a similar kind of KGB intelligence background and they share a kind of worldview.

Now, Putin is not interested in mutual solutions.

He's not even really interested in finding ways through international problems with Donald Trump.

He's interested in Russia getting its way

in the Middle East, in Ukraine, wherever else, and also exploiting American weakness.

So the state where the U.S.

is in at the moment, where you have two rival camps not really listening to each other, very cross with each other, a kind of divided nation, that suits Putin perfectly.

And I think he will do everything he can that that state of affairs continues.

Look,

do you follow

one of the main guys who I think is the ideological head of

the snake, Alexander Dugan?

Is he playing any role?

Well, I mean, Alexander Dugan,

he's an ultra-nationalist Russian philosopher and theory guy, you might call him, who who I think provides a kind of what you might call a kind of ideological sort of veneer or sort of

backbone to the kind of Putin project.

Personally, I find his views pretty terrifying.

But essentially,

what he wants is he wants a great Russia.

He doesn't want the Soviet Union to come back, but I think

he wants a world that Putin wants to, where Russia kind of calls the shots, especially in Europe.

Bear in mind that that in the 1980s, half of Eastern Europe was behind the Iron Curtain, was effectively under Moscow's thumb.

And

I think his views are pretty scary.

30 seconds left.

Are we winning this war, losing this war, or even recognizing it as a war yet?

I think

with the greatest respect to the U.S., which is a great, great country, I think the U.S.

is losing this war.

I think it's beginning to recognize the the scale of the problem.

But I think the answer now is to try and find a kind of bipartisan space where everybody recognizes that what's at stake is the whole American way of life, U.S.

values, and the future of U.S.

democracy.

And that's bigger than any one person or party, and that people need to work together on that.

Luke Harding, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

And I really

found your book wildly enlightening.

Thank you so much.

Thanks, Dan.

The pleasure.

The book is called Collusion by Luke Harding.

You can follow him on Twitter at LukeHarding1968.

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Glenn back.

I think it's important that we stop playing politics.

Clinton got millions of dollars from the Gazprom people or the Uranium One people during the Obama administration.

Flynn, a Democrat, was making money from the Russians.

They're taking both sides.

Obama mocked Romney for taking Russia seriously.

And this is the overarching point, I think, of the book and where we need to be when it comes to Russia.

By treating the Russia situation as a heat-of-the-moment political issue to slam the other side by both sides, we are playing directly into Vladimir Putin's hands.

This is what he wants.

Yes, I want the DOJ, FBI, Clintons,

Trump's, I want them all investigated.

And let the chips fall where they may.

We've got to stop the infiltration.

Glenn, back.

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Have you ever wondered what high-stakes diplomatic negotiation sounds like?

We're going to take you now live, live to the negotiating table between North Korea and the United States.

This is what it sounds like.

I mean, that's some high-level stuff happening right there.

Right?

I mean, wow.

The current situation with North Korea is this.

We are now two weeks past the biggest ICBM advancement the North has ever made.

Now they have the ability to, you know, wipe out the entire continental U.S.

with nuclear missiles.

You'd think the State Department would be in overdrive trying to talk to Kim Jong-un,

but no, that's not...

That's not what happened.

This is a quote from Rex Tillerson on his plan for engaging the North Koreans in diplomacy.

He said, quote, we can talk about the weather if you want.

We can talk about whether it's going to be a square table or a round table.

Then we can begin to lay out a map, a roadmap of what we might be willing to work toward.

In other words, this is what the diplomats between the two countries are currently talking about.

Not a damn thing.

Tillerson's statement is the diplomatic equivalent to a husband trying to get his wife to stop giving him the silent treatment.

Honey, are you awake?

I mean,

we could talk.

I mean, or not talk.

I mean,

I was wrong.

You were right.

Can we talk now, please?

It seriously sounds like we are now willing to accept negotiations without preconditions.

That means we're also probably willing to accept a nuclear-armed North Korea because any conversation going forward won't include Kim Jong-un disarming his nukes.

Now,

I am in hopes that there's some Uber angle or master plan at work here, because if this is all we got up our sleeve, with North Korea arming and aiming ICBMs at our homeland, diplomatic American crickets are not going to get the job done.

And when diplomacy fails, that's when our real nightmares will begin.

It's Wednesday, December 13th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

So if you missed the program earlier today in hour number one, we talked a lot about what happened in Alabama and how this is a

good thing and a bad thing at the same time.

It's a bad thing because you've lost a Senate seat and you've lost it to a guy who is

very pro-abortion.

And,

you know, what does that mean?

Well, I don't know yet, except it's going to be harder to get things through.

You've lost one extra voice.

With that being said, the upside is we're not having to deal with, you know, the Republicans or the Democrats were waiting.

They were waiting.

This is why they fired Al Franken.

So they can say, we take our trash out.

Now, I wonder if Al Franken is actually going to be forced to resign now.

Because they needed him out of the Senate if they were going to play the moral card on Roy Moore.

But now that Roy Moore's not there, you're going to get rid of Al Franken?

Notice he resigned, but he didn't resign.

He'll be resigning in a few weeks.

Yeah, no date has been set for his actual departure.

Right.

It's going to be in a few weeks.

Now, they are going on and naming who might be his replacement, but still,

he has not actually confirmed this.

It'll be an interesting thing if he decides to pull out of it.

I mean,

I don't know.

Maybe he's ready for his little plush, you know.

Oh, he's going to get a golden parachute doesn't even begin to describe it.

Right.

He'll go to some think tank or some, you know, some big company as a lobbyist

or on a board somewhere and make a lot of money, which is understandable.

That's a nice temptation.

Can we upgrade?

We have so many really smart people on the side of freedom and the Constitution and small government.

We have so many good people.

We're not picking them.

Almarosa just left.

She was fired from the White House.

It's the third time now, I think, that Donald Trump has fired her.

She's been fired allegedly

for being Almarosa.

in the White House.

Now,

do you remember how much America hated Almarosa?

They were not fans.

She was the villain on that show.

She was awful.

She was a despicable person.

You imagine working for her or with her at the White House?

Oh, my gosh, what a nightmare that would be.

Yeah, she's telling people that it was her choice.

It was a one-year anniversary.

And obviously, with all jobs, when you do them for a year, you usually leave.

Especially when they're a great job, like at the White House.

You know, you just got to get out of there quickly.

Yeah.

Again, that was obviously a loyalty play.

I don't think a lot of people are arguing she added quite a bit to the White House.

I don't think she was, and it doesn't seem like

General Kelly was a big fan.

Yeah, that's I don't think anybody was a fan of hers.

But I bring up, can we get some good people?

Because

did you see,

this is an upside of how the election turned out yesterday.

Otherwise, we would have had to be dealing with the spokespeople for Roy Moore.

This is one of the worst interviews I've ever seen in my life with Jake Tapper yesterday and one of the spokespeople for Roy Moore.

Listen.

Judge Moore has also said that he doesn't think a Muslim member of Congress should be allowed to be in Congress.

Why?

Under what provisions?

Because you have to swear on the Bible.

When you are before, I had to do it.

I'm an elected official three terms.

I had to swear on a Bible.

You have to swear on a Bible to be an elected official in the United States of America.

He alleges that a Muslim cannot do that ethically, swearing on the Bible.

You don't actually have to swear on a Christian Bible.

You can swear on anything, really.

I don't know if you knew that.

You can swear on a Jewish Bible.

Oh, no.

I can't swear on the Bible.

I've done it three times.

I'm sure you have.

I'm sure you've picked a Bible, but the law is not that you have to swear on a Christian Bible.

That is not the law.

No boy.

You don't know that?

All right, Ted Crockett with the Moore.

I don't know.

I know that Donald Trump did it when we made him president.

Because he's Christian and he picked it.

That's what he wanted to swear in on.

Ted Crockett with the Moore campaign.

Good luck tonight.

Thank you.

I mean, my panel will read.

Holy cow.

Some of those awkward moments can be explained technically because there's a delay.

And a lot of times you'll see these moments that get shared virally.

This guy looks like a moron.

Reality, it was just a delay.

No.

That was not the case case here.

No, this one truly was deer in the headlights.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I kind of feel like what happened in Alabama yesterday

is a kind of a turning point in some way or another.

It's a door opening.

It has now made it so so we, as conservatives, don't have to say, no, no, well, no, we don't like child molesters.

We don't like people dating 15-year-old girls.

We don't, you know, we don't have to say that.

We don't have to have that argument now.

Thank God.

But it is also a turning point on, I think, the fake news thing, that that doesn't work every time.

It works for Donald Trump, but it doesn't work every time.

If you can't explain yourself or if you start to be mealymouth mouth or weasel,

we're not going to put up with it.

And I think that's a really good thing.

People are going to start to learn.

The world changed.

Jimmy Kimmel thinks that

he's going to be,

he's, you know, set the moon and stars.

However, I think this is going to come back to bite Jimmy Kimmel because Jimmy Kimmel has become this crusader.

And let's be honest, Jimmy Kimmel doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Embarrassing.

It really is.

When the Washington Post takes on Jimmy Kimmel and says,

yeah, I think we need to fact-check your monologue.

And Jimmy is using his child to push an agenda.

When the people who supposedly are on your side, the Washington Post, come out and say, no, none of that is true.

That's a problem.

Let's go through Jimmy Kimmel and his monologue.

Here's cut one.

About one in eight children are covered only by CHIP, and it's not controversial.

It's not a partisan thing.

In fact, the last time funding for CHIP was authorized was in 2015.

It passed with a vote of 392 to 337 in the House and 92 to 8 in the Senate.

Overwhelmingly, Democrats and Republicans supported it until now.

As the Washington Post points out,

it's not true that it's not a bipartisan bill.

The fiscal year ends on September 30th, which is when it technically ran out.

But states can take money from previous years and use it.

So there's no urgent crisis.

No state runs out of money at all until the end of this month.

So they have several weeks.

Most states, it's not even until March.

So they have plenty of time to do this.

Plus, they approved a stopgap spending bill, which was already approved, and it includes a provision to move money around to make sure CHIP is funded.

So CHIP, which is the Children's Healthcare program, is going to be funded.

It has already been done, but someone is in Jimmy Kimmel's ear telling him some dumb liberal blog point.

And he's just not engaged enough to know what a stupid point it is.

I mean, that's not a good look.

The Washington Post comes out against you and says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Here's cut two, same monogamy.

Now Chip has become a bargaining chip.

It's on the back burner while they work out their new tax plans, which means parents of children with cancer and diabetes and heart problems are about to get letters saying their coverage could be cut off next month.

Merry Christmas, right?

Yeah, no, not right at all, actually.

According to the Post, the Washington Post points out, it's part of the normal negotiations that happen at the end of the year.

In fact, the House of Representatives has already passed a CHIP reauthorization bill.

The vote was 242 to 174.

Who voted against it?

Not Republicans, Democrats.

Democrats voted against it.

Now, that doesn't mean that they're not for chip, but the Republicans have already, already done this.

In fact, the Senate has also done it.

It's just an issue of figuring out the funding for it.

The point, though, is that this is just normal negotiations.

It's going to pass.

There's overwhelming bipartisan support for this.

There's nobody really fighting against it at all.

And, you know, I guess Jimmy didn't know that.

Jimmy Kimmel cut three Washington Post correction of his monologue on the children's insurance program.

So this happened because Congress about 72 days ago failed to approve funding for CHIP.

Since the first time since it was created, two decades ago, this is literally a life and death program for American kids.

It's always had bipartisan support, but this year they let the money for it expire while they work on getting tax cuts for their millionaire and billionaire donors.

They're working on several things.

You can hear the emotion in his voice, though.

I mean, and this has taken over his show.

He's now just emotional about these issues, and it's really hurting his actual program.

It's going to kill his show.

But, of course, none of that is true.

There's a House GOP proposal, a House GOP proposal to fund CHIP by eliminating

a Medicare subsidy for retirees of annual incomes above $500,000, as the post points out.

So they actually, not only is it going to be funded anyway, and it has nothing to do with it, they can pass a tax bill and do CHIP at the same time.

They do that all the time.

the time.

It would be funded by the wealthy.

The GOP has suggested it be funded by the wealthy.

That's how off-base he is on this one.

Here's the last clip.

I don't know what you...

I've had enough of this.

I don't know what could be more disgusting than putting a tax cut that mostly goes to rich people ahead of the lives of children.

Why hasn't Chip been funded already?

If these were potato chips they were taking away from us, we would be marching on Washington with pitchforks and spears right now.

I will also point out that's just a terrible joke.

That is not in the post.

Right.

You just wanted to.

The fact that the program is called Chip and now he's making a potato chip joke is just an awful, awful joke.

That's his business.

That's the business he's supposed to know.

And he's so emotional and so caught up on whatever liberal blog is direct messaging him on Twitter

that he can't, I mean, he can't even do his actual job right.

Here's what happened to Jimmy Kimmel.

Jimmy Kimmel spoke out.

He spoke with emotion about something.

He made a big splash.

And

he felt the power of being popular beyond

what he was doing.

You can make a difference, Jimmy.

You can make a difference.

And once entertainers get a taste of, I can make a difference.

And they stop speaking from their heart and start speaking about things they just don't know anything about.

It's a kiss of death.

He is clearly listening to somebody who is giving him really bad advice.

Jimmy, it was great that you spoke from your heart.

Go back and do your show, or you're not going to have a show left.

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Glenn, back.

Glenn, back.

So you might as well get out of Bitcoin.

How much is it up today?

Like, it's nothing.

Yeah, no, it's only at $16,899 right now, which is a real disappointment.

Right?

A real disappointment.

I mean, it's basically everything's falling apart.

It's the way I would summarize it.

It's interesting to see these other ones now, the whole, these other secondary

cryptocurrencies that are going through the roof.

In April, you could have purchased Litecoin, which we've talked about many times in the show.

You could have purchased it for $4.

It's now $316.

So you may notice you would have profited there significantly.

So let me show you.

Let's try to describe this.

These are the biggest bubbles in the history of mankind.

Okay.

So all down here in the bottom of the grays, and they're just little, tiny little bumps and stuff.

And these are the U.S.

stock markets and the Chinese stock market and the Japanese stock market crash and the Japanese real estate market and our real estate bubble and the dot-com bubble.

And it fills up maybe 10 to 20% of the bottom of the chart.

These are not huge.

They're not spiking to the top.

So then when you go to big ones, you have to go to the South Sea bubble of 1719 to 1722.

How many times have we talked about that?

South Sea.

And that goes up to the 10 mark on the chart.

Then the next one is the Mississippi bubble of 1716 to 1719.

That goes up to about the 17 or 18 mark.

So that's what, 17 or 18 times what it was.

That's the bubble.

Yeah,

multiples to starting price.

Okay.

Then the next biggest bubble is Bitcoin.

Now, this is Bitcoin a month ago.

Bitcoin goes up at 40 to 45 times.

It's a lot.

And it's just a line almost straight up.

But the biggest ever is tulip mania.

And if you look at tulip mania, it goes up past the 50% mark.

50%.

Not 50 times.

50 times the price.

50 times.

In a very short period of time.

Right.

Okay.

So

that was last month.

This is this month

where

tulip mania has been left in the dust left in the dust uh bitcoin is now entering the 70 times range

never before in human history you are what you're seeing on bitcoin has never happened before and probably never will again in your lifetime

you know and the only thing you can really push back on with that point is to say the secondary litecoin and ethereum have had bigger run-ups percentage-wise than Bitcoin has.

So, other cryptocurrencies have actually outpaced that.

But that's and you know, I know this because I mean, I've read the book.

I've I've I've read, you know, irrational exuberance.

I have, I have read it's, it's different this time.

It's never different.

No, it is.

Every time it is, actually, Glenn.

This time, what's interesting about it is it will never stop.

Right.

I think the other bubbles, what happens is they pop.

This bubble just gets bigger and stronger.

And it just keeps, you just keep turning the cash.

Never will turn around.

That's one of the positives of this.

Never going to end.

Okay, thank you.

I feel better.

Thank you.

Great.

Glenn back.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

So we've been waiting all day to hear Pat Gray's take on what happened yesterday and what he was feeling last night because we all sat here yesterday and said he's gonna win and he's gonna win pretty handily with probably by five points uh and we were wrong and so I

want to say I want to say we are undefeated we have not been right in any political probably not since 2008 I don't think so we have that's not true that's not true it's not it seems like it is because we were wrong on Romney I was not wrong Glenn and I were wrong on Romney We were wrong on Trump.

We were wrong on Roy Moore.

Certainly wrong, yeah.

You know, this one was, I guess both of them are the same thing.

I just didn't believe

Roy Moore could possibly lose that.

Right.

Like, I couldn't believe they'd blow up.

I just didn't think that there was a way that enough people felt the way I did.

I mean, I feel really horrible about this, but I kind of feel good that I'm like, oh, I'm not alone.

It's not just.

I don't know, though.

This is why this one was so complicated in that

what happened does not represent me at all.

The fact that Doug Jones, this freaking

crazy person,

is going to go in there and be a hardcore left-wing activist.

I know, I know.

At least on many topics, is really bad.

And I know you don't feel that.

It's two years.

It's two years.

It's just two years.

You're right.

It's just two years, and it's Alabama.

If Republicans are smart, they can run somebody really qualified and get him out.

Now it's going to be harder, but you brought it on yourself.

Not the people really of Alabama.

It is the GOP and what Mitch McConnell did.

Mitch McConnell did not want a constitutionalist in there, did not want

Mo Brooks.

And so ran a campaign, spent all of his money running a campaign.

So that got you Luther Strange.

Donald Trump wanted Luther Strange too.

He didn't want the constitutionalist.

So they got rid of him.

And what happens?

They just think that

the guy that Mitch McConnell picks, hand picks, is going to sit well with people in Alabama who are sick and tired of Mitch McConnell.

There is one kind of amazing Mo Brooks update today.

He made a speech today

announcing he has cancer.

Oh, man.

And,

you know, we talk about mysterious ways, man.

He says the only reason he found out about it is because he lost the primary.

If he had been running in the campaign, he wouldn't have taken time to get the appointment that identified the cancer, which they then caught.

So they caught it early?

I guess they were.

Why?

Why?

Because he lost the, because he wasn't even in time.

He was like,

I would have never taken this appointment in the middle of the campaign.

Oh, wow.

So once he lost, he took the appointment.

I was thinking if it was me, I'd be like, couldn't get worse.

Yeah, you could have a rectal exam.

All right.

All right, whatever.

So, I mean, hopefully, this is going to.

Do you know what kind of cancer it is?

It may be colon cancer.

I don't have it in front of me.

They did say, though,

or prostate cancer.

I believe it was prostate cancer.

I mean, Vince Flynn died of that, but if it's caught early, you can survive.

Yeah, so obviously, we hope for the best with that.

Yeah.

So, how did you feel yesterday?

Stupid, for one.

I just felt wrong again, and I was a little dismayed because this guy is so pro-abortion and so left-wing.

So you would have voted for him?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I probably would have gone third party.

I would have gone third party.

Yeah, only a right-in option, it seemed like.

It depends on if I would have believed, you know, and I don't know.

I'm not an Alabama voter, so it didn't matter for me.

But if I would have believed Roy Moore, in what he was saying, that he didn't do any of the things he's accused of, why not vote for him?

Yeah, if you believed him, he just made it really hard towards the end.

He made it really hard to believe.

Well, he did because his story changed.

Yeah, as his story changed, and the things he was saying publicly disagreed with other things he had said publicly about the same incident.

Yeah, so that's just fell apart there at the end.

And then there was the other problem of maybe the worst spokesperson in the history of spokesperson.

Good.

He had a few of them.

Golly.

I mean, no matter your beliefs, his spokesman, is it Ted Crockett?

Is that his name?

Gets on Jake Tapper yesterday and says, Homo.

Here, we've got we have the audio.

Play the audio, please.

Does he think that homosexual conduct should be illegal?

It's a yes or no question.

Probably.

He probably thinks homosexual conduct should be illegal.

And what would the punishment be for a man having sexual relations with another man or a woman having sexual relations with another woman?

What should the punishment be?

It's just a sin.

No matter what you believe, you can't say it probably should be illegal, right?

Then he's asked about Muslims.

Should there be Muslims in office?

No, there shouldn't be for some faulty reason that you have to swear on the Bible, which you don't have to do.

You don't have to do.

I mean, when he said,

does he think it should be illegal, the act of

homosexuality should be illegal?

The answer is not probably.

No, it's not.

It's just not probable.

No, it isn't.

You'd have to.

No matter what, it's not probable.

Ask him, I don't know.

Yes.

You don't say probably.

If you, spokesman, if you do know and you're absolutely sure.

You still say you have to ask him.

Ask him.

Ask him.

We haven't discussed that.

But here's a guy who doesn't know.

And he's saying, I don't know, probably.

No, no, probably.

I don't know.

I think if you would have been asked if Roy Moore believes adulterers should be stoned in the public square, he would have said, of course, Drake.

You can't let them sluts live to slut around longer with more people.

That would probably not be a good answer.

Should the Crusades be reinstated?

Jake, that's the first piece of legislation Roland Moore is fixing to work on.

Well, that was one of the things.

Why is he bad?

When they talked about how this campaign had gone, so many people in the Republican circles had abandoned the campaign.

He had a real trouble finding anyone who would do anything for him.

And he had no real support from any side.

It really shows.

And it shows.

I mean, because he's not the only one.

It shows.

I mean, look, his mother's a little bit of a job.

Okay, so good people said no?

A lot of them.

I don't know what makes me feel better because I'm like, hold on.

Is this the best the GOP can do in Alabama?

Boy,

I don't want to overstate this here.

People who had self-interest realized they might be tainted by the campaign and said no.

I'm not saying they're good people by any means.

Clearly, they're not good people.

Exactly.

But I mean, you know,

he had three of the worst moments by people who were

spokesmen for them of any campaign I've ever seen.

This one was really bad with Jake Tapper.

He had the one previously where the guy went on TV and they asked him about,

you know, hey, did Roy Moore have sex with these or play around with these 14-year-olds?

And he said to

a guy on CNN, he said, look, I mean, I know with your background, a lot of that happens all the time with your background.

The guy who

had some heritage from the Middle East, but was from Canada.

Oh my gosh.

And they said, wait a minute, he's from Canada.

And then there was

the woman who congratulated the pregnant interviewer.

Were you going there too?

No, no, this is that.

There was one of his spokespeople

congratulated the pregnant interviewer for

not having Doug Jones abort her baby.

See that one.

Well, let's not.

Let's not forget the.

Let's not forget the 13-year-old girl that they had interviewed.

Interviewing.

And bad choice.

My favorite came yesterday.

Roy Moore's wife.

Do we have it, Sarah?

Oh, gosh, the words.

Fake news would tell you that we don't care for Jews.

Wait, what?

I tell you all this because I've seen it all, so I just want to set the record straight while they're here.

One of our attorneys is a Jew.

Stop.

I love that.

One of our attorneys is a Jewish.

We also shopped at a diamond place run by Jews.

Amazingly, we also go to movies, and obviously, Hollywood's run by the Jews.

One of them Jews is my best friend.

His name is Jesus.

You might know that Jew.

Again, I mean, it's tough.

Wow.

You know, you put a lot of people who aren't

used to doing this in these situations and things happen that aren't so great.

But I mean,

I don't think I've ever seen a campaign with that many bizarre media appearances associated with it.

True.

Even Trump's campaign.

Did you see Trump's campaign?

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I mean, percentage-wise, it wasn't even close.

I mean,

Roy Moore wasn't even doing a lot of appearances.

Every time he had someone on television, there was a disaster.

He was saying that he was really closely associated with Vladimir Putin.

I thought I forgot about that one.

A few years ago, I don't think I did.

Oh, my God.

Oh, maybe I'm Sympatico with Vladimir then.

Wait, wait, what?

In that interview, he said

that

we could call the U.S.

the source of all evil.

Oh, that interview.

Yeah, right.

And it's like, wait a minute, what the hell is going on?

And that's when he said, he also said, was there a good time in America?

Well, yeah, when families were together, when we had slavery, which was interpreted to mean he was pro-slavery.

Right, and that one I thought,

but that's what everybody made out of it.

Yeah, and again, it was poorly stated.

His point, and I think even, you know,

when families were together, that was a great time in America.

If you look at the full context,

if you look at the full context of the slavery part of that, he does pretty clearly state the policy was very bad, but there were good things associated with that time culturally.

But obviously, slavery was bad.

I mean, he was pretty, but again, you can't can't give the media those things.

That's more of an.

I mean, I don't want to say it's closer to a normal political mistake than just stopping and staring at the camera for nine straight seconds, like some of his spokespeople have done.

Here's another Roy Moore classic.

Here, here's calling it.

He said that Russia was the focus of evil in the modern world.

You could say that very well about America, couldn't you?

Oh, boy.

That's bad enough.

But we promote a lot of bad things.

You know, Now.

Like

same-sex marriage.

That's the very argument that Vladimir Putin makes.

Well, then maybe Putin is right.

Oh, shit.

Maybe he's more kin to me than I know.

Akin to me than I know.

Oh, my gosh.

You know, that is.

Can you, I mean, honestly.

By the way, he's still contesting the election.

It's going to be a while before the paperwork is filed because his lawyer is out for Hanukkah.

So

won't be in for a few days.

Which is terrible.

Can you imagine if Barack Obama, if Hillary Clinton said the focus of evil in all of the world is the united

on camera in an interview?

Would have gone crazy.

Rightfully so.

That's an insane right.

That's an insane point of view, an insane point of view.

And this, you know, look, so you can sit here and feel bad about this loss, and there's a lot of negatives that will come.

I don't think it's overly dramatic of two years of this guy when he will vote wrong every single time.

And Roy Moore would have voted right several several times.

Not all the time, but sometimes he would have voted the correct way.

Long term, I think, you know, you look at this and you say, look, a guy who thinks the focus of evil in the modern world is the United States of America, I don't want that guy representing me.

After he's told it was Russia, and then he changes the focus to the United States.

Oh, yeah.

I'll give you one worse than Russia.

Us!

Can you imagine?

Can you imagine if Hillary Clinton said that if Sean Schumer said that, if Nancy Pelosi said that.

There's only one Democrat that was depressed last night, and that was Al Franken.

Yeah.

Because Al Franken's like, what the hell did I give my seat up for?

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Glenn back.

Last night on television, there was a real controversy.

Gloria Allred,

not a lot of people covered this because

of Arkansas or Alabama, but

we covered it.

And it was quite a controversy, another sexual harassment charge.

Yeah, and this one against Santa Claus,

which was really, really rough to watch.

Obviously, a lot of us have a high opinion of him.

Did you notice that she actually, Gloria Allred actually looked better last night than usual.

You know, some people have said that to me.

Right.

And I don't know that necessarily I want to further that analysis.

I will say the elf that was charging Santa.

Hysterical.

I mean, sad.

Sad, first of all, sad.

Also, larger than previous elves that I have seen in the past.

Much larger.

Much larger.

Perhaps had eaten

several other elves to become.

Did he remind you of somebody?

You should check it out online at glennbeck.com and also watch the show tonight because they're they're I hear I hear

Gloria Allred is back

with more charges uh tonight.

You don't want to miss it.

Five o'clock only on the blaze.com slash TV.

Glenn back.