8/8/17 - Could you stop using Google if you had to? (Dinesh D'Souza joins Glenn)

August 08, 2017 1h 52m

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Hello, America.

Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

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the details in the last few minutes of Charlie Guard's life really touching.

We want to share with you today.

Also,

calling all fascists, we need

to hear, and I mean this sincerely, I need to hear from from somebody who really does not see

what Google did as fascism, because I can't make it work in my own head.

I don't know how you don't see that.

So if you happen to be somebody who has followed this story about,

you know, one of their Google engineers saying, look, our diversity program is limiting diversity.

It is harming the company.

It is harming

people and our society.

We're on the wrong track.

There are reasons for some of these diversity problems, and we have to have an open and honest discussion about them.

He made a very reasoned case.

Boy, the left is celebrating that Google terminated him yesterday.

This is corporate fascism.

And I don't want to try to convince you.

If you happen to be listening, you're like, Glenn, you're completely wrong on this.

I want to hear from you because I do not understand your opinion.

And I really, I really want to.

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There's a lot to discuss about the road to fascism.

and Google and Apple and Facebook.

Let's Let's have that discussion.

Something that actually will make a difference in our lifetime.

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Google has fired an employee who wrote a 10-page memo critiquing the company's leftist monopoly.

An anonymous employee

had the bravery to write a 10-page memo, and this memo was very well written.

It's really intelligent.

You may not agree with everything in it.

I think I did.

I mean, I only read it once, but I don't think there was anything in there I really disagreed with.

He talks about diversity and that you cannot correct a diversity problem

without looking at all of the facts.

For instance, He talks about software engineers, and they are now at Google offering classes for different things.

But if you are, for instance, a white male, you cannot attend those classes.

Google is not allowing you to learn those things.

Well, why?

How do you fix discrimination with discrimination?

That's like, we're going to stop all these slave owners.

We're going to enslave all the slave owners.

And the slaves can own the slave owners.

No, that...

That's not fixing slavery.

That's just switching places.

Well, we have to do something.

No,

not like that.

And so

he points out that you're creating more problems by having these

discriminatory practices.

And then you're also denying basic science.

And now what he's saying is, There is a biological difference between men and women.

Since when,

since when has men are for Mars women are for Venus become

crazy bigoted outrageous needs to be banned we all understand

this if you live with a member of the opposite sex

There are things that women do and say and think and emote that for the life of me

I have tried.

I've got four women in my house.

I've got my three daughters and my wife.

And no matter how hard I try, I just don't understand them all the time.

And they don't understand me.

And yet my son and I, we're in lockstep.

We can look at each other just across the table and just like, there it is.

Don't understand that one.

How'd that one happen?

Now, that doesn't mean we don't love them, appreciate them, hold them in a place that is exactly the same as me,

as just as valid.

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and they do the same thing.

We have different languages.

We have a different approach to life.

And this is the thing that has become so frustrating to me lately is I don't understand this.

We would never say, well, no, I can't even say this anymore.

We would never say,

you know, men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and so we've got to blow up Mars or Venus before the other side gets here.

But that's what we are doing.

We're saying, Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and if you think like somebody from Mars, or you think like somebody from Venus, you're the enemy.

you're the problem, and we need to shut you up.

No.

This is the heart wanting to be the head, or the foot wanting to be the hand.

Everything is unique and has purpose.

And

it is the bringing together.

I can't believe

I can't believe I'm in the position in this world to where

I'm making the liberal case, to where I'm the one saying, no,

it's the entire rainbow.

It's all of it.

The diversity makes us stronger.

Diversity, having a real conversation with somebody that is sometimes uncomfortable makes you stronger.

The only way

we are honestly saying,

well, I want an exercise routine that will make me stronger and healthy, but

I don't want to actually breathe heavy afterwards.

I don't want to be tired during, and I want no pain of my muscles afterwards.

You know what you get?

You get one of those exercise machines from the 1920s that just

moves your fat around.

It does nothing.

Now,

let me ask people if you happen to agree with Google firing this guy.

I want to hear from you.

I don't know if there's going to be anybody in our audience.

I hope there is.

Because we have to have a dialogue.

I have to be able to understand your point of view.

I'm not going to belittle you, mock you, try to change your mind.

I really want to understand because I don't.

And this is the way I view this.

This is fascism.

And again, I feel like I'm in the position where the left is supposed to be.

This is corporate fascism.

Look at what is happening.

We are closer to being

a corporation than a country than ever before in my lifetime.

This has been going down this road for a very long time, but as long as we had the Constitution, I foolishly dismissed that.

But here we are.

We're in a place to where

you're telling me that Facebook,

Apple,

and Google

don't or couldn't control the United States?

Of course they could.

Do you know we found out last week that Apple alone has $56 billion worth of U.S.

Treasury bonds?

That is more than most countries hold.

Now, we have a problem with countries holding our U.S.

Treasury bonds because if they don't get their way, they can sell them and destabilize our economy.

Well, Apple wouldn't do that.

Right, right, right.

I forgot about that.

Just like China needs us.

Just like North Korea will never get a nuke.

Just like there never will be a caliphate.

That's ridiculous.

It's different this time.

It's never different this time.

Anybody who says it's different this time, that should be your first sign that that person is not engaged in critical thinking.

Because the first thing that you learn when you're engaged in critical thinking is it's never

different this time.

It's always what the people who are on this new bandwagon, that's what they always say

just before

things go bad.

Human nature,

what we're doing, what the left is doing.

And I am convinced,

and maybe I'm wrong, but I am convinced that there are those people on the left that are as just as afraid of the Antifa movement as I am.

that are just as afraid of what's happening on our college campuses.

I am convinced that there are professors who helped unleash this nightmare who now realize, oh, wait a minute, because people are people.

They're no different than many of us who thought our party was above all those things and realized, oh, crap,

we're exactly the same.

We're part of the problem.

You can't tell me that there aren't those people in universities that that aren't thinking, oh, crap, what are we doing?

This is going in the wrong direction.

This is going against everything we stood for.

You also can't tell me that there aren't people in Google.

Now, there are those

because they have been educated

with

this post-modernism.

They've been educated with all of that nonsense that they are no longer engaged in critical thinking.

It is only social justice.

And now it's only about winning.

But you can't tell me that there's only this guy in Google that feels this way.

The reason why Google fired this guy is because they need to silence them.

They need to make sure that when they say that's not okay, what they are sending the message is, and we will fire you.

We will destroy you.

We will smear you

because your point of view is not okay anywhere.

Now, let me ask you, a company that believes that they should fire

instead of having an intellectual dialogue, and I'm not talking about bringing in, you know, crazy people.

I'm not saying you bring in flamethrowers and political nonsense

but have an actual dialogue with reasonable and educated people on both sides and you both walk away going wow I never thought of it that way I don't think I agree but I never saw it that way you can't tell me that that's a bad thing it's not

And if you're trying to silence the actual intellectual arguments of another side, you have become nothing more than the ancient church that would take scientists and lock them away or kill them.

You are becoming McCarthy.

And I don't understand how that's not happening.

And there's something more disturbing.

Because a company that says, we won't allow that kind of thinking in this company,

how could that company allow their search engine to find that opinion

because that's the next step if that company becomes so locked in to its agenda and that it's right and nothing else is right

how could they possibly allow this monologue to be found on Google in a positive way

they couldn't.

How can you?

Because you've deemed this opinion bad for society,

sexist, racist.

How could you possibly do that?

You can't.

So isn't what they do now internally only a matter of time before they start doing it externally?

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Mercury.

You're listening to the Glen Beck program.

All right.

We've got a couple of people who understand Google and agree with Google.

Let me go to Nate in Virginia.

Hello, Nate.

Hey, Mike, how are you doing, buddy?

Very good.

Hey, I understand why you might be upset, but I really don't see, since when here in America, do corporations need

legitimate reasons to fire someone they think is causing problems in their organization or in their company or does not agree with their

future vision of the world.

Okay, so hang on just a sec.

Let's make sure that we're not on legalistic terms because legally, Google can run their company any way they want to run their company.

I'm not talking about legalistically.

I'm talking about corporate fascism

when your diversity

director is silencing those voices that are diverse from yours.

There seems to be a problem, especially when it is a well-made case.

Now, you as a company can do whatever you want.

If they want to fire them, that's great.

But I don't see that as

a positive thing.

Well, here's the thing with companies and corporations, unlike governments.

They require a lot more unity, a unity in purpose, a unity in vision.

And if there's certain people in the corporation, say for instance, there were the right-wingers, and this is a left-libtard

Grand Central station.

Obviously, those right-wingers need to keep their thoughts and their politics at home where it belongs and should not bring it out into the corporation world at all, because that's not why they're there.

They're there to work.

No, no, that's not no, because what the the corporate culture is bringing these social justice politics out because they say they're trying to create a better world.

what this person was saying was, wait, but you're not including me at that.

I don't think it's right to shove people into a closet no matter what their point of view is.

And

I don't see silencing people.

Let me just put it this way.

I appreciate your call, Nate.

I'd like somebody to answer this question.

First of all, what Nate said is right.

Companies can do whatever they want.

I agree.

But help me out on this.

How,

if you're trying to be diverse and celebrate diversity, when an intellectually solid

posing view is presented

how do you silence that and still claim you're for diversity

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mercury

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Okay, I'm seeing a lot of phone calls up on the board and I want to make sure that we are that you understand what I'm asking you on this this Google firing of one of their engineers

what I'm asking you is not did Google have the right to do it they're a private company

they could do whatever their shareholders you know

they are a private company

They're setting their own temperature.

So,

okay, they want to fire somebody who disagrees with them.

That's great.

Personally,

I don't do that.

I have, the first person I hired at the Blaze was a woman who is pro-choice, but she was

open about it.

She was rock solid in her thinking on it, and it was a different point of view.

I never once censored her.

I never once said, okay, keep that to yourself.

Never.

Ask Amy Holmes.

Two,

Sarah Carlson.

She now directs Meet the Press.

She worked for me for what, six years, seven years?

She was my director at Fox and my director here at the Blaze until she left for Meet the Press.

She's from San Francisco, as left and progressive as they come.

I used to ask for her opinion in crowds after shows.

Where did I get it wrong, Sarah?

What did I say that you wouldn't understand or XYZ?

She was never afraid, at least that I think, never afraid to express her opinion.

They shouldn't be.

If somebody, you're working for somebody who has an opinion and you are afraid to express yours, that doesn't mean that you

can express your opinion and then keep fighting against it because the boss has made the decision.

This is the direction we're going.

And if you don't want to go in that direction, then you should go find someplace else.

But you should never be afraid of expressing your opinion, especially if the boss says to you, which Google did,

we're a campus that wants to be very diverse and we need everybody's help on this.

So share your thoughts of diversity.

What's happening with diversity?

How can we be better?

And then a person steps up and says okay because the stuff that you were doing doesn't make any sense and it's intellectually sound

you don't have to agree with it you don't even have to believe it's right but it's intellectually rigorous

it's not well

because

okay that doesn't work but if it has some intellectual rigor behind it and you've asked for it

how do you fire that person

without showing yourself to be an absolute hypocrite at best and fascist at worst?

If this was Firestone,

I would be like, they're tire people.

I don't really care.

They have a right to hire and fire.

I'm not going to buy their tires anymore.

This isn't Firestone.

This is almost everyone's gateway to information, Google.

and B

it is also the company that is leading the way in artificial intelligence so what they decide as right or wrong will be what is sorting for instance Facebook just came out last week and said they just started putting AI on censorship

So now they can go in and it's twice as fast as humans and they can pull down all the offensive stuff.

Well, remember, garbage in, garbage out.

Do you have diversity of thought?

Does Facebook, has Facebook had this conversation that Google is now having and saying, wait a minute, there's two ways to look at things.

And just because you believe this does not make that a sexist remark.

It might be intellectually sound and good for the body to be able to wrestle with those questions

if AI has decided because it's been taught nope that has no place here does Google start just so they can be consistent and don't be evil

just because they can make sure that they're changing the world for the better as they deem

Do they take the steps to start silencing these opinions elsewhere?

And if not, why?

Why is there a line?

They're all very, very clear now.

We have to silence it without any debate.

They wouldn't even quote the memo because they didn't want those ideas around here.

They're not worth repeating.

If they're so sure without debate,

that they should shut that down because it's wrong, misogynistic,

it's evil.

They can shut that down there.

What stops that group of people saying, well, why the hell are we exposing it over here?

We're completely inconsistent.

There's cognitive dissidence.

We are searching for this internally, this utopia, but we're going to let our search engines

and we're going to teach AI that it should tolerate that outside.

We're smarter than the people outside.

Marty, Tennessee, you're on the GlebEck program.

Good morning, Glenn.

Hey.

Thanks for taking my call.

You back.

I do agree with Google's actions.

In my opinion, the integrity and professionalism and even the morals of the gentleman are excellent.

He simply shared his opinion.

And by his actions, he stood up for what he believes in.

himself and perhaps others.

And we all agree that by Google's actions, they conducted themselves in a a manner that's typical of many businesses and institutions in our country.

So we really shouldn't be too surprised.

He stood up for what was right and what he believed in, and I agree.

By Google firing him, they set in place a chain reaction in which his ideologies, his beliefs, deepest moral convictions are brought out from the smaller world of Google and into the world that we can be part of his cause.

And I'm truly sorry for the pain and grief the man might go through, but we're all called to suffer, stand up for what we believe in.

And by his actions, he did what I believe is right and true.

And the truth about Google is now out.

And on a personal note, I had the exact same thing happen

here in Tennessee, where I stood up for

what was right,

and I was persecuted.

And I had the exact same thing happen.

And we are called to stand up for what we believe in.

we do suffer.

I agree with you that we all have to stand up.

But

what part of

now that Google is exposed,

how are you suggesting people are going to rally?

I mean, have you seen the news coverage on this?

And how do they rally?

I thought about this last night.

Well, I'm not using.

Yes, I am.

I'm going to use Google.

what course of action do you have?

As one, I have no action, as many we would.

And I agree with you.

We can't say I'm not using Google.

I've got it on my computer right now.

And that would be foolish.

It needs to come from a burning desire from within the company that they say, this is really the truth, and

we need to act in order to better serve our employees, our families, and the community in which we serve.

It has to come from within.

They need to have conviction, and from that, we will have success.

It may not happen right away.

So, as an individual, I'm not sure what to do.

So, Marty, you said this happened to you.

Did

A, tell me your story, and B,

was there,

you know, I don't even know how to say justice in the end?

I am a teacher, and in a school here

in Nashville, we were exposed to dangerous molds and

I showed this to the district.

I brought it to their attention for several months and they refused to do anything about it.

And as a result, I became very ill and had to have surgery with a massive infection removed from my head because of the black mold growing in my head.

I figured out that there were dozens of other children that were being sick and had to leave the school because of it.

And despite my bringing the samples that I had tested to the school district and sharing it with them, they said it's dust.

It's nothing to worry about.

Children are sick, teachers are sick, they refuse to do anything.

And after my surgery, I could not breathe the air in the school because of the mold is still in the HVAC system.

And then I said, my doctors told me,

I have to take the last week of school off.

I just cannot continue to be in this environment.

I was wearing a surgical mask to filter it out.

Okay, so quick, I'm up against the brakes, so I just want to cut to the end.

So they fired you because of that.

Have they fixed the mold since?

They say that they have.

But in a conference, prior to me leaving, I sat down with the principal, the vice principal.

I sat with the OSHA head of the district and the facilities manager and they looked at me and they said the job's too big we're not going to fix it until 2018 the summer of when we do a full renovation and I begged what are we going to do about the sick kids what are we going to do about making sure that they're safe The mold is in the cafeteria, the library, and the classrooms in the third of the schools.

Again, I don't mean to rush it, but did they fix it?

No.

Nope.

Okay.

All right.

Thanks, Marty.

I appreciate it.

And thanks for standing up.

And you did the right thing for standing up.

But again,

not fixed.

I ask you that about Google.

What are you going to do about Google?

Nothing.

I'm not even going to stop using Google.

I mean, that may be true.

I have wanted to many times.

They're the best out there.

And they are the, this is the key here.

It's not a tire company.

It is the gateway to information.

I'm switching to ask Jeeves

from now on.

The issue is though if they continue to do these types of things.

I mean when you take a guy who has a bachelor in molecular biology physics and chemistry at the University of Illinois has a PhD in systems biology from Harvard is a research intern at Princeton research intern at Harvard research scientist at MIT

and then went to Google.

When you start firing people like that,

you're making yourself vulnerable, right?

And there's something bizarre about a bunch of feminists telling us that the most successful company basically in the history of the world has been male-dominated the whole time.

They are telling us that the culture there has been all about males, it's all been dominated by males, yet look at what they've done.

It's such a strange argument to come from a feminist.

But the idea idea is when you implement policies, this is the opposite of the way they built Google, right?

When they start implementing policies like this, it's what makes these behemoths vulnerable and it's how they fall.

And they fall hard when they do.

Now, one guy getting fired is not going to destroy this company by any means.

But if this culture persists, it will make it weaker and somebody else will come and beat them down.

Google.

I don't believe that will happen as Google has made deals with the government on

servers.

it is part and parcel almost now

with our information structure for the United States government.

I mean, that thing falls.

I mean, I would not count that as

inevitable.

That's too big to fail now.

I mean, hopefully they should.

It's too big to fail.

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So how do, let me ask you this.

How many of us would have any work-life balance if it weren't for the women in our life?

People have work-life balance?

Yeah.

That's a thing.

They do?

Yeah.

Weird.

I'm saying any.

Okay.

Yeah.

If you have five,

if you have five minutes of balance in your day, where you're like at least looking at your children while you're working,

how would we have that without our wives?

We wouldn't.

We'd show up and just sleep, and that'd be about it.

Last night, Michelle, my assistant, was like, it is 6.30.

You are going home.

You have to go home.

Your wife wants you home, blah, blah, blah.

And I looked at her and I said, when my wife pays the mortgage payment, I'll go home all the time.

I'm trying to make the mortgage payment right now.

You realize you're on the air right now?

Yes.

I just said that.

Yes.

I just want to make sure.

Yes.

It would be just like me because she'll say it to me.

You know, I'll say, honey, come on, let's go.

When you are the one that is responsible for the schooling and everything else in this house,

You know, you go ahead and let me know when you're doing that, you let me know, hurry up, we got to go to vacation, the movie, whatever it is.

Okay.

It's a two-way street.

And it doesn't mean that one can't do the other.

We each have our own thing.

But I will tell you this.

Naturally, women have

much more life balance than guys do.

We would most likely work ourselves to death for a stupid sports car in the end if it wasn't for the women in our life.

Why could we not look at that diversity and be happy and see its beauty?

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the beginning of it,

as far as the diagnosis is playing itself out again

in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

Russell and Michelle are two parents of a four-month-old.

Russell Cruzan III, they refer to him as Bubby.

He was born just like Charlie.

He was great, cute, healthy, and then he wasn't gaining weight, he wasn't eating.

and doctors couldn't figure it out and then finally diagnosed with the same disease that Charlie Gard had.

We have Russell Curzan and Michelle Budnick Knapp on the phone, parents of Bubby.

How are you guys?

Good.

How are you?

Good, good.

Very good.

Can you tell us, first of all,

how's Bubby doing today?

He's doing pretty good.

He's taking a nap right now.

Okay.

Yep.

When you first found out,

did you know who Charlie Gard was?

Not originally, no.

Very shortly afterwards, yes.

As soon as we,

you know, we were trying to do research into his condition, which, you know, they both have mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome.

It's just different gene mutations causing it.

They're both encephalomyopathic.

But as soon as we googled, you know, his condition, of course, Charlie popped up and we started looking into his story.

Have you talked to

Charlie's parents?

We did.

We did originally when we had first found out me and Connie talked a little bit back and forth, but obviously things have been really overwhelming for them.

And

yeah, they're quite busy.

hopefully you are going to tell me that things are quite different here in America than they are overseas.

Can you tell me about

so far?

Yeah, we have definitely found that

things are quite different.

We have the capability to get treatment wherever we want to right now.

We've been inpatient at our local hospital a few times, Bronson, we love them.

And,

you know, if we think that he needs to go somewhere else or he thinks he needs, yeah, he needs to go somewhere else, then they're very willing to work with us to make that happen.

Also, we're just free to make an appointment wherever we want for him to see any specialist that we want.

Have you reached out to the specialist that the guard parents were trying to

have take care of?

Charlie?

Yes, yes, we have, and he doesn't believe treatment of that sort at this time would do any good at all.

So, does that mean that it might later, or it just doesn't apply to your son?

As far as we know, it doesn't apply to Russell.

We're still hoping to

look at it as an option.

Right now, we are pursuing DCA treatment with Boston's Children's Hospital.

We're hoping that he can be considered

for a trial of the medication there.

So what is the prognosis,

Russell?

The prognosis, I mean with no treatment, the prognosis is pretty grim.

With the prospect of treatment,

we really don't know because it's all experimental, but we're hoping that it could help preserve the healthy mitochondria that he has and help uh

keep some of the toxic levels in his body down the lactic acid and ammonia down because those are those are kind of our number one dangers right now so what so what is this how did it first manifest and and and what is the body doing

basically how it all starts is me and his mother are both carriers of a gene a chromosome that's bad

one bad one one good one did you know that in advance no the only way you can figure that out is through genetic testing, which nobody gets genetic testing unless there's an issue.

Yes.

But

so we're both carriers for a bad chromosome, and we have a good chromosome.

And then we both have the same bad chromosome, just a different mutation of it.

So that's how he got it.

There's like a

one in a million chance that two people meet each other.

They're like that.

And then it's still like a 25% chance one of your kids can get it.

when it started to manifest, because i've seen i've seen pictures of of baby russell and you know he looks healthy he looks you know like he's supposed to a little you know porky a little fat you know babies are supposed to and then i've seen recent pictures and he's thin um is that how it first you first noticed was he wasn't eating or

well he actually he started out then

And then he just got, he's porky now.

Right now, right now.

Oh, so I've seen the pictures in reverse then.

Okay.

Yeah.

When the disease originally started manifesting itself, it manifested as failure to thrive first.

He wasn't eating on his own.

We started with the NG tube.

Now he has a G-tube placed in his stomach.

And that has really

helped him thrive and got to the point where he's a nice, chubby, plump little guy now.

So do you guys have insurance?

Yes, I carry insurance through work, and we also have Medicaid through the state.

So does your insurance cover this?

They have started to pay some things.

We're working on the treatment.

That's what they're working on:

prior authorization for us to go there to be seen.

And then they'll work on,

it all depends how it's built.

If it's built as experimental, more than likely not.

Can I ask, you don't have to tell me, can I ask what insurance carrier it is?

Yes, I carry Priority Health.

I'm sure Priority Health wants to do the right thing thing and

help you out.

From everybody I've talked to, they're doing pretty good so far.

They're trying.

Yeah.

The

Medicaid is kicking in for what?

Anything state-wise, in-state.

They said they don't pay out of state.

But they're being helpful, very helpful right now, picking up, you know, co-pays, deductibles.

I haven't had to pay anything out of pocket yet.

what have you good for you what what uh what have you um

uh what do you guys do for a living

I well she's a stay-at-home mother now because he requires so much work right but I do I'm in construction

and how's business oh we're busy we're busy good um is there a way I'm getting 60 70 hours a week

is there a way to donate if people wanted to help you know cover any of the bills bills as they begin to mount up?

Yes, there's a UCaring.

And if you go on YouCaring, you can just search up Bubby or Russell Cruzan.

Russell Cruzan should get you directly to it.

Okay, right.

We're fundraising to cover some of the travel costs to Boston.

If we are accepted

into the treatment trial, there would be multiple trips to Boston.

those travel costs add up very quickly.

We live in Michigan.

You guys sound, I mean, I have to tell you,

I read about your story a couple of weeks ago.

And so I've thought about you, and as a family, we have prayed for you all.

And

I thought to myself, you know, gosh, if

my son was diagnosed with something that Charlie Gard had at the time of the Charlie Guard story, I think I'd lose my mind.

And you guys both seem happy.

We lose it all the time.

We put on this brave face.

I'm used to putting the brave face on for the specialist because I can't, when a specialist doctor is trying to tell me what's going on with my son,

I can't be emotional.

I have to put on my brave face and say, okay, tell me what I need to do.

Tell me what needs to be done to keep him as healthy as possible.

So we try.

And Russell, how are you doing it?

I look at my other three kids and see how they they act, and I don't want them to be upset by seeing me upset.

So, I mean, it's pretty much the other three, and then to see how strong he is.

He's just, I mean, he's the strongest person I've ever seen in my life.

He's our superhero.

So, everything he's been through, and he still puts a smile on his face and laughs.

So, that's how I do it.

We cry in the shower.

What a, what a, um, what a great couple.

And, uh,

and thanks, strangely, for lifting my spirits.

Thanks for making me feel good

in talking to you both.

We will keep you in our prayers, and please check in with us.

If there's something that you need or something we can do to help, please feel free to call.

You have

all of our digits and our emails, so you can get a hold of us.

If you would like to get involved and help the family, you can go to youcaring.com.

If this just helps you, remember, Bubby, B-U-B-B-Y, Bubby.

We tweeted it out from at World of Stew.

It's up there, and I was tweeted from Matt Glenbeck as well.

Yep, and we will have it at Glenbeck.com.

But

please,

if you can, help the family not have to worry about

any kind of expenses so they can do what they need to do.

Guys, thank you so much.

God bless.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

Is that great?

You're right.

Their attitude is like so positive.

And And they are putting on a brave face if that is.

You know what?

There's a difference between putting on a brave face

and

finding your way to joy.

They sound to me like it's not a brave face.

It is, and maybe it was just nervous laughter.

Maybe that's what it was.

But it seems to me that they have found a way to joy.

And boy, that's hard to do.

That is hard to do.

God bless them.

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North Korea has threatened physical action,

and they are still

saber rattling.

However, there's a great article on Daily Wire that talks about the seven times they have said this very thing.

Nuclear strike on the heart of the United States.

They said that July

of this year.

North Korea threatens nuclear strike if provoked by the Navy.

They said that in April.

North Korea threatens attack on America with lighter and smaller nukes.

That was in March of 2013.

North Korea not only claims war is imminent, but the country's military has been given the final authorization to use nukes on the U.S.

They will smash the strong will of all United Service personnel and cutting-edge

smaller and lighter and diversified nuclear strikes.

That was said by them in 2013, April.

I'm glad that they're using diversified strikes.

I like to see the inclusion of diversity in nuclear war.

North Korea threatens to burn Manhattan down to ashes with a hydrogen bomb.

They gave us that warning in 2016.

Hopefully some of the invasion force will be gender non-specific.

That's what I'm hoping.

Well,

just like a Dunkirk.

A real Dunkirk.

Right.

Yeah.

I could barely watch Dunkirk because I didn't see any Mexicans.

Very few.

I didn't see any Mexicans.

It was almost like no Mexicans lived in Belgium at the time.

Where

was the inclusion of the Muslim fighting force?

I know.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Boy, that stuck out like a sorcerer.

There was so much discussion about their individual religions that you know that none of them were Muslim.

Exactly right.

Right.

North Korea also threatened to strike Austin, New York City, and Los Angeles in a chart labeled U.S.

Mainland Strike Strike Plan.

That came out in 2013.

So in other words, the whole point is they've made these

threats before.

Did you see the missile?

They took a map and superimposed it over something that was in their defense strategy room where it showed the missile trajectory.

And so they took a U.S.

map and

transposed it on top of it and

superimposed it on top of it.

And it shows that it's Los Angeles I think Santa Fe

Dallas I think it went over either Dallas or it might have been Oklahoma City then into Georgia Atlanta and then you know off the off the coast it would be a shame if they missed us all together and it was like ah 500 miles too far

but

just want to let you know we're in that I mean

scary It could happen right to us.

Scary.

We should say, of all the stuff, because a lot of people have focused on the legislation that has and maybe hasn't passed over the Trump presidency.

I mean, we have made real progress with ISIS.

I mean, some of these generals he's

appointed, who we've praised at the time of the appointments, have really done a good job in advancing this much beyond what Obama was doing.

And that is a change that's not legislation-based, but it is a good change.

I mean, they have beat back

ISIS a good amount so far.

It's a really positive for the world.

And it seems balanced.

It seems like the strong rhetoric, which we've always believed in, is good and balanced a softness as well to hold it all together.

The Glenbeck program.

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So there's a woman who was sitting next to

a man who who is texting.

She was on a Southwest Airlines flight from Seattle to San Jose, California.

This happened on Monday, and she is flying, and

he happens to have a phone he's texting, and he has it in Big Font.

And so he's texting, and what he's texting is about how enjoyable the child molestation has been.

And actually, I think it was a woman.

Yeah, a woman

was

No, it was a guy

that was saying, you know, oh, this is great and blah blah blah.

Who he's sending the text to I have no idea.

And she's kind of like seeing this like, uh,

I think that guy, I don't think this is a joke.

So she's sitting behind, in the seat behind, and she starts taking pictures of the texts.

Then at some point she gets up and goes, talks to the stewardess and says, I want to show you what this guy's been texting.

And the stewardesses are freaked out, so they alert the pilot.

The pilot alerts police.

They meet the texter at the airport.

As it turns out,

the suspected recipient of the messages was Gail Burnsworth.

a woman 50.

Her home was in Tacoma, Washington.

She was arrested because

the children, her children in her care, five and seven years old, were the ones that had been victimized.

And he just wanted to say, hey, by the way, thanks.

It was a great weekend.

So she was in on it, obviously, right?

Not the woman on the plane.

No,

the mother?

Yes.

Wow.

If you can call her that.

No, you can't.

I'm going to go with no.

Now, listen to this

a law professor is saying that congress has to act

on regulation of the sex bot industry and i hate to sound like austin powers but apparently now this is real

uh yeah no it's a different kind jeffy

there are now um

sex robots that are that you can program

to react to you as if you're raping them.

Yeah, they can also, I mean, it's they react to emotions.

They can be sad, they can be happy, they can be whatever you want.

Terrified,

particularly.

That sounds great.

Apparently,

wow, I disagree with you on that one.

I gotta say it.

Yeah, and also,

there are those that are being programmed to act as if they are being raped, and they are now making them child-size.

And listen to this.

The obvious first step would be to have hearings and to do studies to determine how serious this threat is and if there are any real benefits to having sex bots programmed to simulate being raped.

Okay.

Now, the argument is that perhaps.

They'll do that to the robot rather than an actual person.

Yeah.

But seeing that it's all about power and control and really not even about women,

I don't think that these rapists would be seeing the difference between a robot and a woman.

Maybe it's just me.

I think this is a disturbing trend

that maybe we should probably start thinking about.

We have so many things that are happening now with AI and our world is going to be so different in 10 years.

We're just not going to recognize it.

And all of this groundwork is being laid right now.

All of the things that we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, you know, that's crazy.

That'll never happen.

That's all being laid right now.

All of these decisions are being made right now and generally by giant corporations.

We were talking earlier about Google and the firing of the Google engineer.

Does Google have a right to fire that engineer?

Yes.

Should they fire that engineer?

Well,

in my opinion, not when you ask for help on their diversity programs and, hey, we're inclusive and we want to make sure that all voices are heard.

And then when you express that

in a very cogent and scientific way

and lead with, look, neither side is 100% right here.

But we shouldn't shut down one side or the other.

We really need to come together and start talking about these things.

To fire that person sends a chilling message through the company.

I'm concerned about it because if Google is so convinced that it's right and righteous,

what stops them from taking this in the future and filtering things the way they want to filter?

What's stopping us from being this

country that is run by corporations?

I've never been that guy.

But if you're telling me that Facebook, Google, and Apple

are not the companies that the left was warning us about, they all thought it was going to be Exxon.

Yeah, Exxon controls the energy, but there's also other ways to get energy now.

This is the information and

the

glancing into our lives and shaping of our minds between Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and Google, is there a more

important and critical group of companies that could change the world overnight should they choose?

I don't think there's not.

I don't think there's ever been companies that have been more important than those.

And I certainly don't want the government involved in that.

I'm not suggesting that, but

should these companies become more arrogant and say, well, we're all about science and you're just a science denier, what stops them from completely cutting you off from everything?

Well, that's why it's important to not look at these things like their utilities.

Like you can't just depend on these things.

It is up to us.

If Google wants to delete every single right-wing thing from their search engine, that is their right.

They absolutely can do it at any time.

Now, it's bad for their business model and and you'll lose half the country from going to your site, but

it's absolutely their right to do that.

And I think, like, we obviously have this idea that, you know, for example, someone with Nazi propaganda, right?

If someone wrote a memo to the entire company saying, you know what, Hitler was right and the Jews should have been in the gas chambers, everyone would be like, okay, yes, we get it.

There are lines, right, to that.

We would understand him being fired

for something like that.

The issue is the left in this country is trying to turn very basic human truths into

as poisonous as Nazi propaganda.

And if we allow that to occur, then you know what?

Yeah, every time you say you want lower taxes, you'll get fired.

There is an end to that road eventually where we get there, and that is the conclusion to it.

If we aren't sitting here and making sure that when these things happen, we do fight them.

That doesn't mean you're going to change the culture of Google overall, but you have to push back.

Somebody has to stand.

But, you know, I am more convinced that almost everything that we have done in the last, that I have done in the last five years,

has been misguided

in the way of

people don't need more information on news.

They really don't.

You can get all the information you want on news a hundred different places.

What they do need are facts.

They need education.

They need to know history, know the difference, an unbiased look at communism, fascism,

capitalism, understand

what those things are, learn critical thinking, not what to think, but how to think.

How do I search for the answers?

How do I find

the truth myself?

Is there truth?

Those questions that Socrates wrestled with are the same questions that we should be wrestling with now.

And we're just expecting Google to solve them.

And they're just going to tell us, and then we'll just go along with it.

Listen to this.

There is now Connecticut College, sorry,

Connecticut College psychology professor, Joan Chrysler,

is talking about fat shaming.

She says fat shaming, speaking with obese patients about losing weight.

She argues that fat patients are told to lose weight by their no-therapy.

Such shaming, she says, is mentally and physically harmful and can stigmatize a patient and lead to a misdiagnosis.

Asserting that doctors repeatedly advise for weight loss for fat patients while recommending CAT scans, blood work, or physical therapy, or other average weight patients, she argues recommending different treatments for patients with the same condition based on their weight is unethical and a form of malpractice.

By the way, this is part of her presentation: Weapons of Mass Distraction: Confronting Sizism.

Go ahead and laugh.

Okay.

I mean, that's, how is it, how is it fat shaming?

I mean, look,

it's no, if you've watched me, if you've seen me in the last few years, you've seen that I've gained 40 pounds.

And it part of that 40 pounds has been from chocolate cake.

And I've enjoyed probably 20 of the 40 pounds.

But there is also something else going on with my body.

And I mean, I cannot lose the weight.

And I really, I mean, I went on Atkins and gained five pounds.

And I was on strict Atkins that I should have lost like 15 pounds.

I went to a doctor just recently and he said, that's not possible.

And I'm like, yeah, it is.

It is possible.

It's happening to me.

Okay.

So then after a doctor telling me and me agreeing, not willingly, but agreeing, you got to eat smaller portions, you got to, you know, you got to exercise, you got to move, you got to do all that stuff.

Okay, you're doing all that stuff, and it's still not working.

Well, if you got a doctor who's just like, you gotta stop eating,

you gotta stop eating.

Doctor, I'm not.

Oh, you gotta stop eating.

You're just a fat, fat, fatty, fat soul.

That's a bad thing.

But how is it

that we are

we could be going down the road of socialism where we have to tell people, if you want treatment, you have to be a certain size, you can't smoke, you can't do these things, you have to exercise, or we cannot, as a society, afford your hip replacement or knee replacement surgery.

That's what's happening overseas, and it's going to happen here.

But if I tell you you have to lose weight,

how dare you?

The same socialist will say that's fat shaming.

It's the Google thing all over again, right?

It's prioritizing feelings over physical truths

in both stories.

I mean, think about that.

You're putting someone in medical danger because you don't want to make them feel bad that they're overweight.

And yet those same socialists will not have a problem with shaming people like the guy at Google who was just fired.

What was that if not intellectual shaming?

You're a bigot.

You're a racist.

You're a sexist.

You have no place here at Google.

You know, Stu said, look at his resume.

He's not going to have a hard time finding a job.

I disagree with you.

You're the guy fired from Google because you're a sexist.

You think that guy gets hired in any big company and somebody doesn't follow up on that's where he's working, that company hired him?

They will.

I mean, again, you have an advantage if you can get past the fact.

that you're going to be criticized for having diverse opinions.

If you can get past that as a company, you have an advantage over over other companies.

You can get this guy probably below market value because

if you can just take the fact that you're going to get some tweets for a few weeks, you can actually have a job for him.

I'd hire him.

Well, I mean, sure, he could do, you know.

No, it's like he would come here.

It'd be like dealing with ants.

He'd be like, why am I talking to Glenn?

He's like an intellectual ant.

No.

You've seen my resume.

You get a lot of that from our resumes.

And now this.

North Korea has responded to the U.S.

drafted sanctions adopted by the U.N.

Security Council, quote, there is no bigger mistake than the United States believing it can land,

that its land is safe because it's across the ocean.

The North Korean response also said it would never relinquish its missile and nuclear arsenals.

I just saw a report today on how many people are

willing to accept a nuclear North Korea in America.

It was 11%.

And I thought, this is the dumbest survey I've ever seen because how many people are willing to have millions of

deaths to

prove that point?

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I have to tell you,

this is not going to go well

for some people.

In reading the book by Dinesh D'Souza, The Big Lie, exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left,

where he is comparing Hitler's 1927 speeches to the Democratic Party platform,

where he is showing the

events of the past in comparison to the events of the days

and the actual historic roots here in America.

He's not going to say anything controversial.

No, I don't think so.

The big lie exposing the Nazi roots of the American left.

Dinesh D'Souza joins us when we come back.

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Welcome to the program, Didesh.

How are you?

Good to be on.

Are you ready for the pushback that you're going to get on this book?

Well, I'm excited about the book because because I, you know, a lot of my books,

I know what I'm going to say when I start out.

And I have an argument and I develop the evidence and I lay it out.

So, for example, in the Hillary book, Hillary's America,

I knew that there was a long complicity of the Democratic Party with racism, for example.

It was just a matter of documenting it, laying it out.

Here with this book,

of course, I had read a few things about it, Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism.

I noticed that there were sort of eerie similarities between things going on on both sides of the Atlantic.

And it's really interesting to compare, for example, look at the Ku Klux Klan in America and then look at the Nazi brown shirts.

Right?

They both grow at about the same time.

They both get three to five million members.

In both groups, you have people who love to wear ridiculous costumes, love to do songs and salutes, love to do nightly raids, love to humiliate people, are into racial terrorism.

In both cases, they're the wing of a political party.

In one case, the Democratic Party, the Klan.

In the other case, the Nazi Party.

So I thought, you know, this is going to be very interesting to develop these parallels.

But what I didn't realize is that there actually was, you may say, intimate relations

between the left in this country and the Democrats and the fascists in Italy and the Nazis in Germany.

And all of this has been covered up.

Yeah,

the connections between the early American progressive movement, I mean, I have letters and documentation myself from the, I think it's the Human Betterment Society in California

from

the Germans saying, thank you for coming up.

You have woken a country of 60 million people to this eugenics project, and Hitler is going to get fully behind this.

I mean,

they were deeply tied into what became the the Holocaust.

And it's all buried.

And proud of their association.

Yes.

Very proud.

I'm kind of amused about, there's this guy, Madison Grant, who was

a progressive, head of the New York Zoological Society,

a big advocate of

eugenics.

And he gets a letter from Hitler.

He's super excited.

So he goes to

this other progressive icon and he goes, hey, check out my letter from Hitler.

And that guy goes, wait right here, goes to his library, produces his letter from Hitler.

So this is a really good example of how the American progressives were aware that they were shaping the Nazi sterilization program, but also the euthanasia program.

Yes, yes.

And they were very proud of it.

Yes.

I posted a Facebook post

maybe two years ago,

and it was the

National Socialist Party platform in the the 20s.

And it seemed very familiar to me.

You

talk about a speech that Hitler gave in 27 where he said, we're all socialists.

We are the enemies of today's capitalist system of exploitation, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

They had a 25-point program.

The nationalization of large corporations, trusts, government control of banking and credit, the seizure of land without compensation if it was for public use, the splitting of large land holdings into smaller units, confiscation of war profits, prosecution of bankers and other lenders on grounds of usury, abolition of incomes unearned by work, profit sharing for workers in all large companies, broader pension system paying higher benefits, and universal free health care and universal free education.

If you read that platform at a Democratic National Convention, you'd get thunderous applause.

And I think that's true of Mussolini's speeches, for example.

Fascism and Nazism were firmly on the left.

And in one of the chapters, I traced the genesis of fascism.

It arose out of

what's called the crisis of Marxism.

Marx had made all these predictions that

Communist revolution was coming to Germany, was coming to England, and when it didn't happen, the really smart socialists sat around, they scratched their heads, and they said,

we've got to revise Marx.

See, he got something fundamentally wrong.

And in the 20th century, out of that crisis of Marxism come two new things.

One, Leninist Bolshevism, and the other, Mussolini's fascism.

They both are spin-offs from socialism.

They're on the same side of the aisle.

And because of World War II, and because Hitler was on one side, the Soviets were on the other, this has made it really easy for progressives to pretend like if communism is on the left, fascism fascism must be on the right.

But this misses, of course, the fact that sister ideologies do go to war.

And

they're relatively the same.

One is about workers of the world and one is about workers of the nation uniting.

It's pretty much nationalism versus

world domination under a grand unifying theory

of we're all in this one together, but it's the same awful stew.

Is it not?

It absolutely is.

And even that distinction is blurred because although Lenin talked about international socialism, as soon as Stalin came in,

he said Mother Russia, socialism in one country.

So if you think about it, Stalin was a national socialist, just like Hitler.

help me out on

where have you

seen what's going on with Google.

Absolutely.

This is not going to lead anywhere good.

And

I can't believe that those people who have said they've been kept in a closet for their viewpoint or their sexuality or whatever their whole life are now shoving people into closets and silencing people.

I don't understand

how

the average person, the average Democrat, isn't starting to become afraid of what they're unleashing in universities

and in the silencing of those who can make a reasonable, rational, and scientific argument.

So this really is the fascist mindset.

And I say this because typically if we look around America now, we would think that the best example of fascism would be, say, these Antifa guys dressed in masks, carrying weapons, bike locks, and bats.

They're there to threaten, to intimidate, to beat people up.

So they look a lot like Mussolini's black shirts from the 20s.

But I think there's a deeper fascism that's a much bigger problem than the guys on the street at Berkeley.

And that is the fascism of the institutions.

So the Nazis had a term called Gleichschaltung, which basically means coordination.

But their idea was we have a society, everybody's got to march in line, in lockstep.

They've got to be in sync with Nazi ideology.

And if they fall out, we have to pressure them, we have to cajole them, we have to force them.

And this gleichschaltong is now in America, it's on the left, it's called political correctness.

But I don't just mean you use the wrong word.

I'm talking about the way in which Hollywood, the media, academia, and now corporations like Google, if you fall athwart the ideology,

they will ruin you.

I mean, they'll fire you, you.

They will humiliate you.

They will make you into a pariah.

This kind of thing is very scary,

and it has a deep parallel with what was going on in Europe in the middle of the century.

You know, I have deep respect for you.

Right?

Right.

Uh-oh.

That's what he says to me usually when he insults.

Look out.

I don't mean I'm not going to insult you.

Those on the right who do not agree with my point of view of Donald

have done all of those things that you have described.

In fact, they have been as vicious, in some ways more vicious, than the

Soros group that went after me on the left.

There is a love in this country right now of winning at all costs and destroying anyone who stands against you that is truly frightening.

You know, I have to agree with that.

I was thinking the other day that when I came to America in the late 70s, I'm a young Reaganite from my college days, American politics was a gentleman's quarrel.

And one could envision Reagan and Tip O'Neill having it out, but then you could see them having a beer afterward.

And at the end of the day, there was a shared belief that, you know, Tip of O'Neill, you know, he loved America.

And

we all want America to be prosperous.

We want America to be strong.

We want America to be the world's leader.

We might disagree about how to share the spoils,

how American prosperity should be distributed, but it's a debate about means, not about ends.

And it just occurred to me how much all of that has broken down.

Now,

I blame the left because I think that the breakdown started with Obama.

And by that, I mean the deploying of the government against your critics, the willingness to sort of treat your critic not just as a political adversary, but as a real enemy, somebody you'd like to see put out of business altogether.

And I think that it is that dysfunctional atmosphere that produced Trump.

In other words, the ordinary Republican goes, we appointed all these nice guys one after the other.

There was Bob Dole, self-deprecating and witty.

There was John McCain, war hero.

There was the super squeaky, clean-cut Romney.

And yet all these guys began to helplessly fill ale in the wind as they were converted into Lucifer by the other side.

All right, enough of all that.

We're going to get a real tough guy, and he may not be all that straight around the edges, but he can throw a punch and he can take a punch.

We've got to fight like those guys.

So it is this kind of bare-knuckled atmosphere that we're in now.

And I don't think that it is, you know, to say that, I mean, you know me where I stand in Obama,

but to say that it was Obama, I mean, today is the today is the anniversary of the Nixon resignation enemies list.

Nixon,

and I think this is the real problem in America.

We keep looking at left and right, we keep, which is bogus in America, the way it is, you know, they've made the left and right in America to be the European left and right.

And that is not true.

Right is small government, almost anarchy, and left is total government, be it fascism, totalitarianism, whatever.

It's that, Those are our two rights, left and right in America.

But it has become this Democratic and Republican thing when Richard Nixon was a gigantic progressive.

It's progressivism in the early 20th century that

was fueling.

much of what was happening in Germany and teaching, and they were teaching us in the same way.

I mean, it was a cozy get-together.

And when when you have progressivism not recognized in both parties, on both sides, as

people who just want control of other people, that's where we're having this battle because we can point to each other and say, well, you did this.

Yeah, because my side has that gene in it too.

Absolutely.

Well, progressivism was in both parties, even at the beginning.

Now, the Republican version of it was softer than the Democratic version.

So, for example, Teddy Roosevelt, although he used some Darwinist rhetoric about survival of the fittest, was thinking mainly about foreign policy.

And if you talk to him about something like forced sterilization, I think he would, family man that he was, he would blanch a little bit.

Although I will get it.

I will get you.

I have upstairs I have letters from him that will horrify you on sterilization and the selecting of, we're going to look at humans.

I think the quote is,

like the dumbest farmers.

Even on farms, we don't let our best stock breed with our worst stock i mean he was pretty clear on some of that spooky stuff yeah i've i've read some things that have made my you know my eyebrows go up and um

uh but um this all took such a bad turn in the 20s and 30s in europe um one of the discoveries in the book that really startled me was the degree to which when the nazis got together to write the nuremberg laws and they were all sitting around the table all these top guys head of the justice Department and so on.

Explain for people who don't know what the Nuremberg laws are.

So the Nuremberg Laws were the laws that made Jews into second-class citizens.

They involved segregation of Jews into ghettos, state-sponsored discrimination, keeping the Jews out of certain professions, and later they were modified for confiscation of Jewish property and so on.

So the Nazis go,

they had a,

it's one of the Nazi meetings we have transcripts of.

Why?

Because the Nazis go, we're the first people in the world to be creating a racist state.

It's fantastic.

So watch us do it.

And one of the guys who was there had studied in the United States.

And he goes, time out, guys, sorry to interrupt the party, but a racial state has already been created by the Democratic Party in America.

We're not the first people to this picnic.

They've already done it.

And all the questions we're exploring, intermarriage between groups, segregation, discrimination,

they've been there for years.

So the Nazis then immediately consult the democratic laws.

Let's remember, every segregation law in the South passed by a democratic legislature, signed by a democratic governor, enforced by democratic officials.

So the Nazis take a look at this and they go, fantastic.

Let's just cross out the word black, write in the word Jew, and we're off with the races.

Now, to me, the most sort of poignantly pungent aspect of this debate is at one point, the Nazis begin to debate who is a Jew.

Because there's a lot of intermarriage that's been going on since the Middle Ages, and the Nazis are not sure if you can classify someone as a Jew who's only, let's say, half Jewish.

Again, the Nazi who had studied in America, I think his name was Krieger, he goes, problem solved.

In America, they have the one-drop rule.

Basically, if you have any black, any visible blackness in you, you're black.

And this is where the whole story gets kind of crushing.

The Nazis look at each other and they go, that's too much.

Basically, they're saying the Democrats are too racist for us.

We can't go with the one-drop rule.

And in fact, the Nuremberg laws, as they were written, you need three Jewish grandparents to count as Jewish.

So the Nazis, you may say, took a softer line than the Democratic Party on the question of racial identity.

The name of the book is The Big Lie, Dinesh D'Souza.

8/8/17 - Could you stop using Google if you had to? (Dinesh D'Souza joins Glenn)

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