6/22/17 - What's wrong with the Senate's healthcare bill? (Tim Schmidt and Rep. Thomas Massie)

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Speaker 8 the 100%

Speaker 14 of the budget in Illinois is now going to pay for the pensions.

Speaker 26 100%

Speaker 14 of the budget in Illinois is going to pay for pensions.

Speaker 8 And judges are now saying you can't cut the pensions.

Speaker 14 What is Illinois going to do?

Speaker 29 They're talking now in some circles about breaking the state up.

Speaker 9 You'd actually have to cut a star off of the flag

Speaker 14 because we'd only have 49 states.

Speaker 32 That ain't going to happen.

Speaker 35 You're going to be on the hook for those pensions, and it's going to happen in state after state after state.

Speaker 27 And let's get outside of ourselves for a minute and take a moment to look at what is happening over in London.

Speaker 6 It ties together with what is coming here.

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Speaker 43 Hello, America.

Speaker 45 Last week, we were so busy here in America with an assassination attempt

Speaker 24 that we

Speaker 28 failed to see and really

Speaker 49 look at the fire that happened

Speaker 50 just outside of London.

Speaker 51 It was

Speaker 52 bad.

Speaker 53 A skyscraper

Speaker 54 going up in flames.

Speaker 19 They still were missing 100 people

Speaker 57 a couple of days after the fire.

Speaker 28 Simon Cowell, Cowell, yesterday I saw they released this yesterday.

Speaker 59 Simon Cowell went and

Speaker 39 he got the rights released for Bridge Over Troubled Water.

Speaker 61 And

Speaker 39 all of the artists in London are doing a song now, kind of a We Are the World song.

Speaker 7 for the victims of the fire.

Speaker 58 But this has started another conversation in London.

Speaker 66 First, let me show you the emotion that is happening now in England over the fire.

Speaker 70 That could have been my nephew. And that could have been me up there.
Waving my white plain tea up there.

Speaker 70 With my friends on the ground trying to see see up there I just hope that you rest and you're free up there I can't feel your pain, but it's still where it is Went to the block just to chill with the kids Troubled waters come running past I'ma be right there just to blink

Speaker 23 And feeling

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Speaker 69 over

Speaker 69 troubled

Speaker 69 water

Speaker 69 I will lay

Speaker 69 me down

Speaker 69 like

Speaker 69 a

Speaker 69 bridge

Speaker 69 over

Speaker 69 troubled

Speaker 69 water

Speaker 69 I will lay me down.

Speaker 73 So much pain in my heart.

Speaker 69 My community's moving me.

Speaker 74 Choose to gleam as we're facing the dark.

Speaker 69 When you're down

Speaker 69 and up,

Speaker 69 when you're on

Speaker 69 the street

Speaker 69 when leaving

Speaker 69 falls

Speaker 69 so high,

Speaker 69 I will comfort you.

Speaker 69 Yes, I will,

Speaker 69 I'll take your pie.

Speaker 69 Oh,

Speaker 69 when darkness

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Speaker 69 over

Speaker 69 and pain is not

Speaker 69 like

Speaker 69 strong

Speaker 69 water

Speaker 69 I will let you

Speaker 69 let it down

Speaker 69 I

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Speaker 69 over

Speaker 69 I will lay

Speaker 69 me down.

Speaker 64 So here is the problem

Speaker 75 over in London.

Speaker 73 The problem is

Speaker 47 this fire, they believe, was caused by the cladding on the outside.

Speaker 59 It's an aluminum

Speaker 78 cladding that that inside has a polythylosylene core.

Speaker 39 And this core,

Speaker 54 they say, should not be used in any buildings over 600,

Speaker 81 I'm sorry, over 18 meters.

Speaker 82 Well, the problem is, is they made a lot of these apartment buildings with this cladding.

Speaker 81 And there are 600

Speaker 59 apartment skyscrapers in London itself with this siding.

Speaker 84 And so nobody knows what to do

Speaker 63 because this siding can be combustible, as we now know, because of one apartment building, and everybody will be trapped inside.

Speaker 73 So the problem is

Speaker 86 the new

Speaker 82 mayor of London, who is a strong lefty and

Speaker 68 Muslim,

Speaker 26 he is saying,

Speaker 28 shouldn't we get everybody out of these and can't we provide housing

Speaker 81 for everybody in these 600 apartment buildings?

Speaker 11 It's a huge problem.

Speaker 93 So now the city is panicked.

Speaker 58 All of these people who are living in these apartment buildings are panicked.

Speaker 33 They have no place to go.

Speaker 53 They haven't been asked to vacate the buildings yet.

Speaker 58 But what is anybody going to do?

Speaker 82 There is no housing.

Speaker 49 Well, the Labor Department, or the, I'm sorry, the Labor Party, the head of the Labor Party, which is the socialists

Speaker 98 over in London.

Speaker 46 He just said this on television.

Speaker 100 There are a large number of deliberately kept vacant flats and properties all over London. It's called land banking.
People with a lot of money buy a house, buy a flat, keep it empty.

Speaker 101 But you would seize it forever or just take it for as long as they're needed?

Speaker 23 Compulsory. Just looking at the mechanism.

Speaker 100 Occupy it compulsory, purchase it, requisition it. There's a lot of things you can do.
But can't we as a society just think all of us?

Speaker 100 It's all very well putting our arms around people during the crisis, but homelessness is rising, The housing crisis is getting worse. And my point was quite simple one.

Speaker 100 In an emergency, you have to bring all assets to the table in order to deal with that crisis. And that is what I think we should be doing in this case.

Speaker 71 Surely.

Speaker 100 So in the wake of Grenfell fire, we have to recognize something has gone badly, badly wrong in this country.

Speaker 104 So what's gone badly, badly wrong is that for investment, people buy houses and then they don't live in them.

Speaker 54 And they have these huge houses and they're just being held.

Speaker 78 For instance, I can think of like

Speaker 81 Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace.

Speaker 105 I mean, you want to talk about people who have lots of houses and lots of money.

Speaker 107 Your country has a queen.

Speaker 80 Yeah.

Speaker 23 You don't get to complain about these things.

Speaker 40 Right.

Speaker 108 Here is the Labor Party saying in times of a crisis, we should be able to seize property.

Speaker 104 Now, notice he didn't want to answer the question for

Speaker 89 all time or a short period of time?

Speaker 3 Well, I think we can all agree that something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.

Speaker 101 Never let a crisis go to waste.

Speaker 105 Never let a crisis go to waste.

Speaker 27 Now, this brings me to Illinois

Speaker 86 and the election

Speaker 110 and

Speaker 104 what is coming next

Speaker 111 in 2020?

Speaker 27 What did the Democrats learn

Speaker 59 in Georgia the other night?

Speaker 27 What direction are they going to go?

Speaker 27 And what's on the table?

Speaker 104 What is coming next for our own society?

Speaker 4 When you have President Trump talking about making the wall on the border into a solar panel wall, quote, it will make it cheaper for Mexico to pay.

Speaker 73 And that's good, right?

Speaker 84 End quote.

Speaker 116 Where are we headed as a country?

Speaker 78 I want to show you some possible outcomes and what the news means when we come back.

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Speaker 92 Hello, America.

Speaker 110 Back in when I was at Fox,

Speaker 118 I did a segment on pensions and how pensions were working for firefighters and police and everything else.

Speaker 65 And if you remember, it was like four or five, when pensions first started, it was like four or five workers would support the firefighter that left.

Speaker 52 Remember?

Speaker 27 The problem is, is that the pyramid has been turned upside down.

Speaker 85 Now what's happening is one person

Speaker 44 is trying to take care of

Speaker 81 three or four

Speaker 32 pensioners.

Speaker 28 And there's absolutely no way to cover it.

Speaker 104 The math doesn't work.

Speaker 46 The pyramid is upside down, and it's a pyramid scheme.

Speaker 36 So, what did they do?

Speaker 56 The unions decided that they would take all of the money that was supposed to go to pensions, and they would put it into the stock market.

Speaker 122 And they had to get a return of five to seven percent a year to be able to cover

Speaker 73 what they said, cover all of the pensions.

Speaker 10 It still didn't work.

Speaker 58 Stu, you're wise enough to

Speaker 54 on money investment.

Speaker 105 How difficult is it to get a guaranteed return of 5% to 7% a year?

Speaker 101 There's actually no such thing as a guaranteed return

Speaker 101 in this particular climate of 5% to 7% per year.

Speaker 101 In the stock market, it's obviously never guaranteed.

Speaker 49 Right.

Speaker 47 And

Speaker 64 in the stock market or any investment,

Speaker 125 saying

Speaker 44 I need 7% or I collapse every year, is that something that you should put together?

Speaker 133 It's a horrific idea.

Speaker 19 Horrific idea.

Speaker 134 There's nobody. Now you might get that.

Speaker 135 You might get that some years.

Speaker 79 Correct.

Speaker 23 You might even do better than that.

Speaker 71 Okay, some years.

Speaker 135 But you're not going to guarantee, it's almost a guarantee you won't get it every year.

Speaker 90 Because the pension is upside down, the pyramid pension is upside down.

Speaker 27 Now you have one person paying for three people.

Speaker 82 It doesn't work.

Speaker 3 And the stock market has been up and down you never know uh if you're going to get five to seven percent but if you put your money in in 2008

Speaker 101 uh when the stock market was what at about eight thousand yeah it was in the sixty eight hundred yes six yeah it might have been sixty eight hundred okay

Speaker 15 today the stock market is at twenty one thousand

Speaker 38 so you've got a pretty good return on your money, don't you think?

Speaker 99 Yeah.

Speaker 38 If you put your money.

Speaker 71 Tripled it.

Speaker 139 Yeah, you put your money into

Speaker 93 the teachers union and the teachers union is invested in stocks.

Speaker 16 That's fantastic.

Speaker 12 You went from $6,800 to $21,000.

Speaker 65 That's probably the best run of the stock market in history.

Speaker 111 We are at an all-time high of $21,000.

Speaker 55 Illinois now has 100% of every tax dollar coming in, going out to pay for the pensions, 100% of every tax dollar, which means nothing for schools, nothing for roads, nothing for infrastructure, nothing to pay the mayor, nothing but graft now for city council, nothing.

Speaker 140 100%.

Speaker 36 And a judge has said, you cannot reduce any of the pensions.

Speaker 15 They must, the state of Illinois must pay 100%

Speaker 90 of those pensions, which is now taking 100%

Speaker 56 of every tax dollar to pay.

Speaker 136 So now they're saying we're going to break Illinois up.

Speaker 5 One suggestion is we're going to break Illinois up into five different states and

Speaker 38 give portions of the state of Illinois.

Speaker 11 So congratulations, St.

Speaker 54 Louis, you're going to get East St.

Speaker 82 Louis as well.

Speaker 66 And you just have to take care of that.

Speaker 125 Or is it?

Speaker 125 Is this East St. Louis, isn't it?

Speaker 138 Across the border?

Speaker 80 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Congratulations.

Speaker 15 How many people in Missouri want to now be responsible for East St.

Speaker 125 Louis?

Speaker 120 But congratulations.

Speaker 124 You might get that.

Speaker 49 And, you know, it'll now be part of your state.

Speaker 5 Congratulations.

Speaker 89 No, thank you.

Speaker 6 And you can pay for all the pensions and everything there.

Speaker 81 Well, that's not going to work.

Speaker 58 The states aren't going to do it because every state is in this condition.

Speaker 135 So,

Speaker 135 except for Texas.

Speaker 5 Except for Texas.

Speaker 81 Be careful.

Speaker 109 Now,

Speaker 126 what are they talking about?

Speaker 5 Besides, they're not going to break the state up.

Speaker 83 So, besides that, what is the state of Illinois suggesting that they do?

Speaker 19 The state has a great idea.

Speaker 36 They say that the wealthy

Speaker 27 are getting

Speaker 64 rich off of the stock market.

Speaker 121 Now, let's remember

Speaker 82 that

Speaker 99 the pensions are all in the stock market.

Speaker 115 So it's not just the wealthy that are getting rich on the stock market.

Speaker 27 It's the people who have their money in 401ks,

Speaker 27 IRAs, and in pension funds.

Speaker 113 They're getting rich on the stock market, or they're at least getting partially paid because of the stock market being run up.

Speaker 27 So, what is Illinois' plan?

Speaker 115 Oh, I'll show you next and show you how this works out, a little like what's happening in London when we come back.

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Speaker 104 All right, let me just let me just take you through this real quick, and then we're going to get to what lessons did the Democrats learn and where is the world headed.

Speaker 88 The problem in Illinois is going to hit every

Speaker 27 is going to hit every state, and it's going to hit every state differently.

Speaker 16 The pensions, and we're talking about the fire, the police,

Speaker 80 all

Speaker 56 state workers, the pensions are out of control and have been for a long time.

Speaker 53 And back in 2008 or 2009, as I outlined, if we don't take care of these problems now, we are going to be facing massive issues in the future and there will be no

Speaker 81 good outcome.

Speaker 27 The outcome will be dump it into the lap.

Speaker 56 of the federal government.

Speaker 58 That's what I said at the time, 2008, 2009, if you remember that episode.

Speaker 121 Well, we're here now.

Speaker 36 And Illinois, which is the state that I used as the example, is the first one to start to collapse.

Speaker 109 They have

Speaker 126 the money that they owe people in pensions is going to take 100% of the budget.

Speaker 36 And the state has said that they have to have, they have to pay these pensions.

Speaker 140 So that's 100% of the budget.

Speaker 126 The pensions are invested in the stock market.

Speaker 132 And for them to pay the pensions,

Speaker 127 this is what they claimed, they needed a 5 to 7% guaranteed return on their money.

Speaker 53 Well, that's impossible.

Speaker 27 I mean, that's, you know, it's not Bernie Madoff, but it's on the road to Bernie Madoff. Nobody can promise you 5 to 7.

Speaker 122 But you had to have 5 to 7% in pensions because they wouldn't reduce the pensions.

Speaker 28 They promised everybody, and we all accepted it.

Speaker 36 And the politicians were too greedy to say these unions are lying to you.

Speaker 132 You're never going to be able to retire because

Speaker 23 this is

Speaker 132 nothing but a Ponzi scheme.

Speaker 80 All right.

Speaker 110 They're not getting enough of the return.

Speaker 26 They're not able to be able to

Speaker 109 make the money when the stock market is at $21,000, the highest ever,

Speaker 108 And they still can't make these pensions work.

Speaker 27 It's not like we, and then we had a crash and it was unexpected.

Speaker 94 No, no, no.

Speaker 143 Highest stock market ever.

Speaker 126 And it's still not enough.

Speaker 104 What happens if we have a correction and it falls to 15,000?

Speaker 114 What happens if, let's be crazy, and say another,

Speaker 27 you know, 2008 happens and it falls down to 6,800 or another Great Depression happens. Well, what happens to then the Illinois pension fund, which is now taking 100% of the budget?

Speaker 140 Is it 200% of the budget?

Speaker 126 So Illinois has bankruptcy.

Speaker 19 No, that's not going to work because the state can't declare bankruptcy.

Speaker 105 They could break the state apart.

Speaker 52 That's not going to happen.

Speaker 65 So they're left with taxes.

Speaker 141 Let's take more from the poor, right?

Speaker 56 Isn't it the poor?

Speaker 89 No, no, sorry.

Speaker 27 They want to tax the rich.

Speaker 99 Now, who are they taxing?

Speaker 105 Who are they going to tax?

Speaker 52 This is an actual proposal now.

Speaker 110 They want to tax the rich, but in particular, they are mad at the people who are making so much money on

Speaker 23 the stock market.

Speaker 99 So what they're going to do in Illinois, they are now proposing a small tax of 20%

Speaker 127 on transactions in the stock market.

Speaker 40 Good golly.

Speaker 111 20%

Speaker 64 tax over a certain amount for the uber rich.

Speaker 78 Well, Stu, you're investing money in the stock market and Illinois sets a trap up to take 20% of your money.

Speaker 128 What do you do?

Speaker 101 Putting my money somewhere else because even if I'm successful, I lose under this proposal.

Speaker 64 Correct.

Speaker 119 If I get a 7% return on my money

Speaker 38 and I want to move my money, I lose an additional 13%.

Speaker 38 I lose the 13%.

Speaker 75 I'm sorry.

Speaker 16 No, no, no, wait.

Speaker 38 I lose, yeah, 13%

Speaker 116 because I've made seven, but they're taking 20.

Speaker 109 So I've lost 13% of my money, even though I gained.

Speaker 101 So then, of course, these wealthy individuals do not invest in the stock market. And what happens to the stock market when they don't invest in it?

Speaker 125 What?

Speaker 23 What are you talking about?

Speaker 133 Yeah, it doesn't stay up.

Speaker 101 Right. When you start taking millionaires and billionaires out of the stock market, that doesn't help.

Speaker 80 Right.

Speaker 79 Or because

Speaker 16 you are taxing the people in Illinois something else happens too

Speaker 10 people move the hell out of the state there we go they move

Speaker 101 they take their crap and they leave Illinois now that helps the the pension funding right because no not having those people there they're so bad for the economy those rich people no no no

Speaker 89 so now

Speaker 73 They're gone.

Speaker 145 Well, we've got to do something about that. We've got to make it so that they can't move.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 99 right.

Speaker 80 Okay.

Speaker 43 So now there's two problems.

Speaker 109 That's not going to work.

Speaker 127 It will only make things work.

Speaker 97 And then the state will say, we've got to make it so people can't move.

Speaker 126 This is going to be, there's another problem that is going on.

Speaker 27 So the state will have to move it up to the federal government because the federal government will be the only one that could be the backstop because Illinois is too big to fail.

Speaker 73 There's another problem.

Speaker 97 If I have have my pension in the firefighters union or the police union and I'm already seeing in places like Dallas that there's no way I'm going to get my pension, it's starting to collapse in a healthy city like Dallas,

Speaker 109 I'm going to do what?

Speaker 109 I'm going to ask for my cash payout.

Speaker 121 I'll take less to get my money now.

Speaker 121 So once they start to see what's really happening in Illinois and they realize this whole thing is going to collapse all of the people who have pensions are now going to say I'm getting my money out now and that's what happens what do we call that when it happens to banks

Speaker 23 run on the bank run on the bank

Speaker 26 so what do they do

Speaker 81 they usually close the bank So you can't do a run on the bank.

Speaker 134 And then they tell you you can only take out certain amount.

Speaker 126 So now you don't have a choice anymore.

Speaker 26 The federal government will tell you you can't take the pension money.

Speaker 3 You can't take a lump sum anymore because it'll cause a run on the pensions.

Speaker 23 So when this happens

Speaker 104 and you have the stock market, let's say the stock market crashes and the extra taxes on the rich don't work and then people start to lose their job and lose their money in their 401k

Speaker 110 and you don't have a pension the federal government is going to bail you out by putting that much money by printing that much money what happens then again to our money because now we're printing millions and billions of dollars that is going to have velocity because devalued the money again you've devalued the money

Speaker 26 so now you have two ways to win the next election.

Speaker 118 In 2020, there's really only two ways to win the election.

Speaker 26 And which way do you think each party is going to go?

Speaker 16 When you have people who are afraid and they don't have anyone to go.

Speaker 56 We've seen this in a country, the United States of America, when we had our principles, principles, when we had our principles, we ran to FDR and the government and said, socialism.

Speaker 4 So you have the Bernie Sanders type.

Speaker 123 Could you play the guy again

Speaker 81 out of London?

Speaker 100 There are a large number of deliberately kept vacant flats and properties all over London. It's called land banking.
People with a lot of money buy a house, buy a flat, keep it empty.

Speaker 101 But you would seize it forever or just take it for as long as they're needed?

Speaker 23 Compulsory. I'm just looking at the mechanism.

Speaker 100 Occupy it compulsory, purchase it, requisition it. There's a lot of things you can do.
But can't we as a society just think all of us?

Speaker 100 It's all very well putting our arms around people during the crisis, but homelessness is rising, the housing crisis is getting worse. And my point was quite simple one.

Speaker 100 In an emergency, you have to bring all assets to the table in order to deal with that crisis. And that is what I think we should be doing in this case.

Speaker 100 Surely, in the wake of Grenfell Fire, we have to recognize something has gone badly, badly wrong in this.

Speaker 19 So, let me just try this.

Speaker 87 In the wake of Illinois, in the wake of the collapse of the pension funds, in the wake of severe homelessness in America because of the stock market, and in the wake of capitalism just crashing down,

Speaker 3 I think we all have to admit that something has gone very, very wrong.

Speaker 30 For anybody who believes that Georgia,

Speaker 65 that the Georgia, what was it, the 6th District or 8th District?

Speaker 125 6th.

Speaker 19 Georgia 6th taught the Democrats that they should go more centrist and they should get rid of people like Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 37 I believe the Democrats are talking about getting rid of Nancy Pelosi because Nancy Pelosi has used all of her goodwill.

Speaker 65 But that doesn't mean go more centrist

Speaker 25 because

Speaker 27 between now

Speaker 118 and let's say 2018, 2019, we are going to have collapses

Speaker 93 and pensions going.

Speaker 27 We're going to have additional problems.

Speaker 56 Going the centrist way of, look, let's return to our principles.

Speaker 40 Oh, that was cute.

Speaker 109 You're going to have two choices.

Speaker 60 I will fix it.

Speaker 60 Somebody who says, I'm going to fix this.

Speaker 27 And we put all of our support behind a strong man.

Speaker 146 Or somebody who says, we will fix this.

Speaker 7 Surely in the wake of all of these problems, we can come together.

Speaker 78 And more of an FDR style saying, we will fix it.

Speaker 30 Socialism, we are fully on the train.

Speaker 137 the train tracks of Europe.

Speaker 118 Now, we are truly in 2020 unless something changes.

Speaker 60 And if it's not 2020, it'll be 2024, mainly because by 2024, all of the people who are college-age now,

Speaker 126 that's all going to be the bulk.

Speaker 64 And they don't have any idea what capitalism is, what the Constitution is.

Speaker 73 Our cultural values are so upside down right now that

Speaker 120 there are not going to be anybody left.

Speaker 101 You spend a lot of time over the years talking about Cloud and Piven, which is a, you know,

Speaker 101 to summarize, you know, sort of radical leftist professors proposing this idea that you should load up things like welfare to collapse the system so we can finally replace it with the socialism that we really need.

Speaker 101 Yes.

Speaker 101 And that was a sort of a revolutionary idea. I know there's so many people in the audience and so many good people who are on pensions, who got pensions in good times.

Speaker 101 But I mean, they are essentially the progressive as opposed to the revolutionary version of Cloward versus Cloward and Piven.

Speaker 89 Yeah, the problem is

Speaker 54 righteous indignation.

Speaker 23 Oh, yeah, and it is righteous.

Speaker 101 Yeah, I have worked my entire life under an agreement in which you were promised this. Yes.

Speaker 79 And it was

Speaker 23 ironclad.

Speaker 27 They promised me.

Speaker 10 There's

Speaker 35 no way around, and this gets into the pendulum, which we've talked about before.

Speaker 27 The job of the people my age is supposed to be for this to work, this pendulum to work, is we are supposed to encourage the 20-somethings to take care of the older and the older, the ones who are promised the pensions, to say, okay,

Speaker 32 I ain't going to get that.

Speaker 63 And I'm not just going to suck it out of the system.

Speaker 138 I'm going to have to go back to work or whatever.

Speaker 95 Can you imagine that?

Speaker 135 And can you imagine what will happen when they don't get what they were promised?

Speaker 23 I'd be pissed too. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 29 You've been counting on that your entire life.

Speaker 135 And now, oh, by the way, we don't have it.

Speaker 101 In retrospect, looking back at this, though, hey, it's a scam.

Speaker 40 We all should have known that this is not realistic.

Speaker 101 The reason why people don't pay you the money that you deserve at the time is because they want to, they're writing, I'll pay you next Tuesday for a hamburger today.

Speaker 101 They know that we don't have it right now, but you know what? Let the person three decades from now, Wesse's job behind the city.

Speaker 28 The ones that should be in trouble are the unions and the politicians.

Speaker 57 Right.

Speaker 40 Those are the two that are not. And nobody's taking this out on the unions.

Speaker 23 Nobody.

Speaker 27 And now this.

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Speaker 95 By the way, Thomas Massey is going to be with us here in a second.

Speaker 19 Future of gun laws.

Speaker 56 He's proposing something really great.

Speaker 84 We have him on here in a second.

Speaker 66 And also, Tim Schmidt from the USCCA is going to join us next hour to talk about

Speaker 58 what we need to do with our gun laws based on last week.

Speaker 66 We'll talk about that coming up next hour.

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Speaker 115 It might as well be you.

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Speaker 153 We want to introduce you again to Congressman Thomas Massey from Kentucky.

Speaker 11 He is proposing a

Speaker 78 really good change to our gun laws.

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Speaker 146 Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton, she's from D.C., she says, this bill flies in the face of the calls for unity.

Speaker 7 What Congress is talking about is how are we going to protect ourselves?

Speaker 87 And of course, there are some that say we want to be able to carry a gun no matter where we go because we're congressmen.

Speaker 148 Thomas Massey says, I've got a better idea.

Speaker 27 And he's joining us now.

Speaker 82 Hello, Congressman. How are you?

Speaker 154 I'm doing well. Glenn, thanks for having me on to talk about this bill.

Speaker 154 This shooting was a real wake-up call, I think, not just for Congressmen, but for all Americans.

Speaker 56 So first of all,

Speaker 58 how is everybody that was involved in the shooting?

Speaker 84 Do you have an update?

Speaker 58 I know that Scalise was upgraded to, I think, FAIR or was it good yesterday?

Speaker 154 Fair, and yes, he's doing much better.

Speaker 154 He's taking visitors, in fact, but we've been encouraged not to visit him because he's such a gregarious guy. He'd probably take everybody that visited him.

Speaker 155 So

Speaker 154 we have to restrain ourselves here because we want to reach out to him. But he's recovering, but it's going to be a long recovery.
There's going to be rehabilitation

Speaker 154 to walk and whatnot.

Speaker 11 So there's a couple of things now that

Speaker 97 I've been reading about that Congress needs to look at.

Speaker 86 And one of them is what would have happened if 30 congressmen died?

Speaker 13 This is one thing that the Constitution doesn't cover.

Speaker 13 How do we get you guys replaced if you are killed?

Speaker 46 And the second thing is

Speaker 27 this idea that maybe congressmen need more protection or need to be allowed to carry a gun.

Speaker 154 Well, let me respond to something that you mentioned about my colleague from Washington, D.C.

Speaker 154 If she's saying this flies in the face of calls for unity, the fact of the matter is this unites the Republican Party.

Speaker 154 It may divide the Democrat Party, because I can tell you there are members on the other side of the aisle that would vote for this bill if we could get it on the floor today.

Speaker 154 So I think it actually works across the aisle.

Speaker 28 So why can't we get it?

Speaker 126 We control the House and the Senate and the White House.

Speaker 87 Why can't we get it onto the floor of the House today?

Speaker 154 Well,

Speaker 154 you know,

Speaker 154 there are some members of Congress, and they are very pro-gun members of Congress, who want to bring up legislation only to protect congressmen.

Speaker 154 Now, listen, those are good ideas, and those members of Congress support the Second Amendment. But here's the problem with doing it just for members of Congress.

Speaker 154 Then the urgency to restore your right to self-defense goes down. And I'm seeing this with our leadership right now.

Speaker 154 The people who are in charge of whether this bill comes to the floor or not are the same people who have their own personal security details, which amounts to less than 1 percent of the House of Representatives.

Speaker 154 By the way, very quickly, just so we all know what we're talking about, my bill would make the District of Columbia honor your concealed carry permit from any state, and this is for anybody, anybody, not just members of Congress, who comes and visits Washington, D.C.

Speaker 154 Over three-quarters of the states already offer reciprocity among the states. Washington, D.C.
is an anomaly, and it's an unsafe spot because not only can members of Congress not defend themselves,

Speaker 154 members of the public can't defend themselves here.

Speaker 52 So

Speaker 83 I know we're talking about Washington, D.C., but

Speaker 22 if I can look a gift horse in the the mouth,

Speaker 45 why are we not talking about this for the entire country that you you know you got to be able to honor other states?

Speaker 61 If I have to honor somebody's marriage certificate, why don't they have to honor my concealed weapon permit?

Speaker 154 Well, the argument that

Speaker 154 some people put up about the

Speaker 154 Capitol, you know, U.S. Congress telling states that they have to honor other states' permits.

Speaker 154 There's some people that argue the Tenth Amendment, you have to balance that against the Second Amendment.

Speaker 40 But

Speaker 5 they're not doing that with marriage license.

Speaker 156 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 154 And I would love to see us be able to carry in all states. But the beauty of my bill, Glenn, is that there is no conflict here.
There is no legislature for Washington, D.C.

Speaker 154 There is no governor for Washington, D.C. because the founding fathers wanted to make sure that the U.S.

Speaker 154 Congress could write the laws for the city where they had to meet in just this exact instance so that they could come here and be safe and so that there wouldn't be arbitrary laws that kept our government from functioning.

Speaker 154 So this is constitutional. The Constitution says that we write the laws for D.C.

Speaker 155 So the question,

Speaker 154 like you just said, if you've got a House that's Republican, a Senate that's Republican, and a President that's Republican, and you have clear jurisdiction over the District of Columbia, why does it have the worst gun control laws in the country?

Speaker 136 So what is the response to your bill so far?

Speaker 154 So far, among the membership here, it's been overwhelming. Yesterday, I presented my idea to the entire GOP conference, and before it could sit down, they erupted in applause.

Speaker 154 And I had members who are not members of the Freedom Caucus come up to me and say, I know I'm not very conservative, but I sure as heck support your bill.

Speaker 154 They literally said that to me.

Speaker 156 And

Speaker 154 it's important, but I think our leadership is not responding well to it.

Speaker 154 They say it's not the right time. I say this is the exact right time.

Speaker 54 When is it going to be better?

Speaker 27 When would it be better when 30 congressmen were killed?

Speaker 154 It's never going to be better. This is urgent.
In fact, I have 44 co-sponsors for this bill already, and I just introduced it last Thursday.

Speaker 154 And I'll probably pick up another four or five today, co-sponsors.

Speaker 154 And I'm telling you, Glenn, if this went to the floor, Democrats would vote for it. Three years ago, I offered legislation that would defund Washington, D.C.'s gun control laws.

Speaker 154 Ironically, I was able to get that to the floor under John Boehner, and Paul Ryan blocked it last summer. He said it wasn't the right time last summer to offer the legislation.

Speaker 154 But when I got it to the floor under John Boehner, 20 Democrats voted to defund Washington, D.C.'s gun control law.

Speaker 154 And there was no imperative then like there is now.

Speaker 40 That's the wake up.

Speaker 30 So, Thomas, what do we

Speaker 99 I have to tell you?

Speaker 109 I'm so sick of hearing, call your congressman, call them rob rob.

Speaker 27 Because it does, they don't care.

Speaker 128 If you think Paul Ryan gives a flying crap about you and your and your gun rights,

Speaker 40 you know, I mean, how

Speaker 124 again, fool me once, shame on you.

Speaker 38 Fool me my entire 53 years of life.

Speaker 18 Well, I'm just, I should be locked in an institution.

Speaker 23 So

Speaker 73 make the case that I should lift a finger to call.

Speaker 154 Well, I think whoever's listening to this, it's probably not your member of Congress who is the problem.

Speaker 154 It's the leadership who is preventing this bill from coming to the floor. And

Speaker 154 I I sound like a broken record, but I am going to say you should call the Speaker's office and say, we know you have protection for yourself.

Speaker 154 What about the other members of Congress and the rest of the public? Don't think this issue will go away the next time it could be much worse.

Speaker 23 All right.

Speaker 33 So if we call the speakers, do you have somebody look up the stupid speaker's phone number so we can give it out?

Speaker 115 If we we call the Speaker, we specifically need to ask for your bill to be introduced, don't we?

Speaker 20 Otherwise, they're going to come up with one that just allows them to carry guns, which is a horrible idea.

Speaker 154 The reason that idea probably won't work, just to allow members of Congress, not only does it

Speaker 154 not restore your Second Amendment rights here in the capital city just to extend it to members of Congress, it reduces the urgency of some members of Congress, not all members of Congress.

Speaker 154 But once they feel safe, their urgency to protect your right to protect yourself will go down.

Speaker 99 Except for the speaker.

Speaker 10 But I will tell you, I mean, they don't seem to care.

Speaker 110 You know, they did that with health care, and a lot of the Republicans are in on that.

Speaker 113 They get all the special deals.

Speaker 16 They get everything.

Speaker 27 Screw the American people.

Speaker 52 I got it.

Speaker 88 I mean,

Speaker 97 it sounds like what they will do.

Speaker 154 Yep. Well,

Speaker 55 I'm sorry, Thomas, I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails because I really, I really appreciate you.

Speaker 30 I really appreciate what you're introducing, and I want to help.

Speaker 115 And I, yes, I will call the speaker, but

Speaker 88 I mean,

Speaker 102 it's frustrating because we've been so drinking down.

Speaker 71 Yeah,

Speaker 154 there's not much wind to take out of my sails.

Speaker 2 I'm here in the swamp with an awful man trying to swim among these creatures.

Speaker 40 I can't even get to the wind.

Speaker 101 Does 202-225-0600 sound right for the speaker's

Speaker 23 number?

Speaker 154 It sounds good.

Speaker 154 You could call the switchboard here, or you could ask your member of Congress to ask the speaker to bring this bill for a vote, because Democrats will vote for it.

Speaker 154 I'm telling you, they will vote for it.

Speaker 154 I would love to see the senator who was elected in a state that Trump won, that's up for election this cycle, telling people that he is against reciprocity in Washington, D.C., with honoring anybody in their state's concealed carry permit.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 69 And

Speaker 154 it's an indefensible position to say that the public and members of Congress can't defend themselves when the Constitution says the U.S. Congress makes all the laws for Washington, D.C.

Speaker 99 So let's play devil's advocate.

Speaker 3 Do you have a second, Thomas? Can I take a quick break?

Speaker 94 Please.

Speaker 58 Okay, I'll take a quick break, and then I want to play devil's advocate here and see how you argue the other other side.

Speaker 5 Back with a second.

Speaker 153 Give me the phone number again, Pat.

Speaker 40 Yeah,

Speaker 40 202.

Speaker 46 Wait a second. I just

Speaker 82 got to call Speaker Ryan.

Speaker 135 225. 225.
Oh, yeah. 202-225-0600.

Speaker 58 Okay, call Speaker Ryan and say you want Thomas Massey's gun legislation for the D.C.

Speaker 77 area to be passed as is.

Speaker 95 Call your congressman and tell him to pressure Speaker Ryan.

Speaker 65 What a surprise.

Speaker 19 Paul Ryan's turning out to be a weasel?

Speaker 80 I can't believe it.

Speaker 87 Call that number now.

Speaker 37 One more time. Here's the number:

Speaker 135 202-225-0600.

Speaker 99 Okay.

Speaker 95 Back in just a second.

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Speaker 12 Here's the phone number for the Capitol Hill and call Republican leadership and tell them you want Thomas Massey's

Speaker 31 reciprocity bill

Speaker 13 for the District of Columbia to accept your concealed carry permit for all congressmen and the American public.

Speaker 135 202-225-0600.

Speaker 43 Okay, so let's take a couple of things.

Speaker 64 Thomas, first,

Speaker 115 let's talk a little bit about the leadership and why they would want to, why they're not jumping on this bill.

Speaker 101 Right, Thomas, because I don't see Paul Ryan as necessarily an anti-gun guy. I've never seen that out of him.
I mean, certainly part of leadership is Steve Scalise. So this is, I mean,

Speaker 101 when you you say leadership is at fault here, who are we talking about? What's going on?

Speaker 105 Or what's the motivation?

Speaker 154 Well, I've pitched it to members of the GOP conference here. They love it.
But I got a really icy reception with Speaker Ryan and with Majority Leader McCarthy.

Speaker 154 I have to suspect part of their lack of urgency.

Speaker 154 They say, well, they're kind of for it, but maybe we should do it later, just not now.

Speaker 154 I suspect their lack of urgency could be due to the fact that they have two security officers with them at all times.

Speaker 23 Okay.

Speaker 72 Wow. All right.

Speaker 126 So let's get into that a little bit.

Speaker 13 When you have security, you tend not to worry about all the other people because you start to look at everybody else carrying a gun as a threat to your security.

Speaker 25 And that's what the other side

Speaker 82 will say.

Speaker 115 We're in Washington, D.C.,

Speaker 15 and we've got, you know, we've got to have a gun in the Smithsonian, a gun in the National Archives, a gun in the nation's capital.

Speaker 10 You can't do that.

Speaker 95 The American people coming in with guns?

Speaker 154 Well, Glenn, I could see across the river from here to Virginia, which offers reciprocity to 49 other states, okay? And there's no problem there in Virginia. The Pentagon's in Virginia.

Speaker 154 I mean, it's almost still part of the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but Thomas, the Pentagon, they have soldiers there.

Speaker 154 I'm just saying that's the proximity to the Capitol. It's virtually the same area, and they have reciprocity.

Speaker 154 In fact, these congressmen were playing in Virginia at a ball field, but the reason they couldn't carry a weapon is they were coming from D.C. and going to return to D.C.

Speaker 40 Right.

Speaker 154 But the other thing, Glenn, 98% of mass public shootings since 1950 have been in places where citizens haven't been able to defend themselves.

Speaker 154 And if you are in a gun-free zone, which effectively all of Washington, D.C.

Speaker 154 is,

Speaker 154 you're 20 times more likely in a gun-free zone to be the victim of a mass shooting.

Speaker 37 So I can't take a gun into a federal building in any city or a state building or a school or anything else.

Speaker 84 If I'm traveling with my gun and I go into the Smithsonian or I go into the Capitol, you won't let me bring my gun into the Capitol.

Speaker 110 But you have a locker there or something for the guns?

Speaker 24 Is that what you would imagine would happen?

Speaker 154 Well, in the Capitol, in the buildings here, in the complex, people say, well, you know, do you want tourists carrying guns in there?

Speaker 154 The Capitol is literally the only example of a true gun-free zone, okay, the buildings themselves, because they have two police officers at every entrance and a metal detector. Correct.

Speaker 154 So that when you are inside of one of these congressional buildings, you are in what is really almost a unicorn because it's so expensive to create. You are in

Speaker 154 a gun-free zone where criminals, where the criminals don't have guns.

Speaker 78 But if I don't, if every federal building says it's a gun-free zone and has a sign that says you can't bring a gun in, then my gun is locked up in the hotel room because I want to go to the museum and the, you know,

Speaker 80 go ahead.

Speaker 154 If it were up to me, I would let you carry in the Smithsonian. That would, I mean, I don't see a problem with that.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 99 I don't either.

Speaker 154 And in fact, I think it's, I don't want to even phrase it that way. I want you to be able to carry in the Smithsonian.
It would be safer in the Smithsonian if you could.

Speaker 40 I know.

Speaker 154 You would be 20 times less likely to be the victim of a mass shooting.

Speaker 6 Thomas Massey, the congressman from Kentucky, really, truly one of the good guys, keep up the fight.

Speaker 11 Don't get discouraged.

Speaker 126 We will call Speaker Ryan and say, introduce Thomas Massey's bill for

Speaker 12 carrying a concealed weapon in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 10 for all people.

Speaker 17 Thank you, Thomas. Back in a minute.

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Speaker 12 So, why anyone would listen to Thomas Massey?

Speaker 78 He went to some Mitt college

Speaker 92 and became.

Speaker 135 It's such a dumb college, you have to spell out the name of it every time.

Speaker 42 I went to M-I-T.

Speaker 40 Yeah, we know. You went to MIT.

Speaker 101 Well, the people who go there are so dumb, they don't know how to spell it, so you have to spell it out for them.

Speaker 37 It's with two T's, dude.

Speaker 73 It's with two T's.

Speaker 103 They don't even spell it right.

Speaker 23 That's amazing.

Speaker 83 We know he's from Kentucky.

Speaker 65 They have the Louisville Sluggers are made there.

Speaker 27 So he tried to make mitts, apparently, went to school for it and didn't. He ended up a mechanical engineer, so he's changing oil.

Speaker 107 He's a mechanic.

Speaker 23 That's amazing.

Speaker 23 And you know what?

Speaker 13 We checked into his SAT scores.

Speaker 82 35.

Speaker 52 35.

Speaker 133 You can get a 36.

Speaker 52 And we all know,

Speaker 27 we all know that 65 and below is flunking, so he's double flunking.

Speaker 23 Yeah, a totally flunky. The guy is a moral.

Speaker 101 Yeah, and not to mention he's taking handouts. You know what I mean? He's taking handouts.
Well, I mean, he gets a check every single year from this Mitt college that he went to

Speaker 101 based on licensing fees and royalties on a patent based on the work he did for his undergraduate thesis.

Speaker 82 But it's dope.

Speaker 23 And now we find out he claims to be

Speaker 52 conservative and he's taking handouts.

Speaker 114 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 40 From Mitt.

Speaker 23 I mean,

Speaker 40 what has this guy done on?

Speaker 99 I don't like it at all.

Speaker 126 Good thing we've got an expert on.

Speaker 15 We have Tim Schmidt.

Speaker 76 Tim is

Speaker 65 full disclosure, protectandefend.com.

Speaker 115 He is with the

Speaker 58 USCCA, which is the United States Concealed Carry Association, that is a sponsor on this program, but that's not why I'm having Tim on.

Speaker 30 I'm having Tim on because I want to be able to dismantle all of the arguments that Congress is going to throw up on why you shouldn't carry a gun.

Speaker 138 Now is the time to get the repro repropriety rep reproportity.

Speaker 149 Reproprocessor,

Speaker 79 forget it.

Speaker 119 For the Washington, D.C.

Speaker 13 to honor your concealed carry.

Speaker 18 And I didn't even go to MIT.

Speaker 114 Anyway,

Speaker 93 Tim is here

Speaker 148 and has some stats.

Speaker 28 They are really the

Speaker 78 biggest organization on education, training, and especially

Speaker 7 defense of the defender.

Speaker 43 If you're trying to protect yourself and you have to

Speaker 125 discharge your firearm,

Speaker 95 you're in for three years of absolute hell.

Speaker 58 And these are the people that will help you.

Speaker 61 Anyway, Tim, welcome to the program.

Speaker 79 How are you?

Speaker 156 Hey, good morning, Glenn. I'm doing fantastic.

Speaker 23 Thanks for having me.

Speaker 150 I want to talk to you about what they're going to say.

Speaker 80 Congress is going to say is we can't have Hicks walking around, the regular people walking around Washington, D.C.

Speaker 3 with a gun.

Speaker 78 We're going to give only Congress members a gun.

Speaker 156 Well, certainly when I was listening to Thomas Massey talk, I felt refreshed because he actually is thinking about this the correct way.

Speaker 156 And I mean, if the presence of guns caused crime, then why would you want an armed security guard?

Speaker 156 I mean, the false premise is that just the mere presence of guns will increase the likeliness of crime, but actually the exact opposite is true.

Speaker 156 And as Matthew talked about before, you know, gun-free zones, they essentially act as mass shooting magnets.

Speaker 156 And so really it comes down to, you know, do you trust the people or do you not trust the people?

Speaker 141 No, don't.

Speaker 105 I mean, honestly, I just want to play devil's advocate with you.

Speaker 27 There's a lot of people in America who say, no, I don't trust people with guns.

Speaker 156 Well, I'm sorry, but I mean

Speaker 156 the United States is we're a country of trust, freedom and responsibility, and you can't legislate any of those. And

Speaker 156 that's just the way it works.

Speaker 51 Well,

Speaker 76 give me some reason to trust

Speaker 56 people who carry guns.

Speaker 84 I mean, look, Tim, I mean, we all know security people, they've had training, you know, and I'd prefer, honestly, that all people who carried guns were former cops, and that's it.

Speaker 120 I mean, they've had training for years on how to carry a gun.

Speaker 125 The average person, that doesn't make people safer.

Speaker 157 Boy, well,

Speaker 10 you know that's what they say.

Speaker 156 Unfortunately, that's exactly what they say. And so I guess the first thing I'd talk about is like, okay, look, you know, self-defense is a natural-born right.

Speaker 156 If you don't believe in the natural born right of self-defense, well, then you're living in the wrong country. And if you want to.

Speaker 94 Oh, the founders.

Speaker 56 The founders, they're old, dusty people and natural-born rights.

Speaker 27 I don't even know what it means.

Speaker 87 Natural-born right. What?

Speaker 156 Okay, well, then my next point would be that

Speaker 156 if you

Speaker 156 statistically look at

Speaker 156 the amount of

Speaker 156 negligent gun discharges of concealed carry permit holders versus off-duty or on-duty police officers, it's actually lower with concealed carry permit holders.

Speaker 134 So just that status self-say that again?

Speaker 156 So

Speaker 156 negligent discharges across all concealed carry permit holders is lower than with off-duty and on-duty police officers.

Speaker 81 So they accidentally fire their gun more than the concealed carry permit holders?

Speaker 109 Yes, yeah.

Speaker 156 If you look across all concealed carry permit holders, now ultimately that that stat comes down to the fact that, I mean, police officers just happen to handle their guns more often, but

Speaker 156 concealed carry permit holders are by far the most responsible and well-trained gun carriers there are.

Speaker 35 I read a stat from you that said when you have

Speaker 30 only three to five

Speaker 78 of citizens carrying guns, crime is reduced dramatically.

Speaker 5 Can you fill that out at all?

Speaker 156 Well, sure.

Speaker 156 The best part about the concept of the responsibly armed citizen is that it doesn't take ⁇ we don't all have to do it to get this powerful deterrent effect.

Speaker 156 Criminals are the only thing that they're concerned about. A lot of criminals, they don't even care about going to prison, but none of them want to die.

Speaker 156 And so if they're walking into a place, if they're walking into a room and they don't know who's armed, that will have a powerful deterrent effect.

Speaker 156 And you only have to have 3% to 5% of the people armed for that to take place.

Speaker 148 People say that the

Speaker 47 gun control worked in London because crime went way down.

Speaker 79 That's not true at all, is it?

Speaker 156 No, that's completely false.

Speaker 156 Every one of those stats that you hear about, oh, crime being reduced in Australia or London having to do with with firearms, is completely, completely made up.

Speaker 156 Crime's actually higher. I mean, so what they do in London, they actually compare, they don't do it per capita, they actually do, you know,

Speaker 156 they compare it

Speaker 156 as a country, as if like, you know, but there's obviously significantly less people in London.

Speaker 129 Right.

Speaker 46 So tell me this, Tim.

Speaker 45 I do want to talk to you about this one thing.

Speaker 37 One thing that you do at the USCCA, which I never even thought of, is we all prepare to carry our gun.

Speaker 66 And, you know, the people who do have a concealed carry permit, and I think one of the reasons why we don't have as many discharges of our accidental discharges of our guns is because we know we are in so much trouble.

Speaker 61 And we

Speaker 62 prepare and I, you know, I've thought it all the way through on, you know, am I really willing to fire a gun?

Speaker 32 Yes, I am.

Speaker 27 And I got to be responsible, and I'm willing to kill somebody if I feel my life is in danger.

Speaker 46 Not my stuff, but my life or my family's, you bet.

Speaker 128 But I never thought of the aftermath, and the aftermath can be as tragic, or

Speaker 5 maybe in some cases, more tragic than actually having to fire your weapon.

Speaker 156 Yeah, well, Glenn, that's so true. And one of the things at the US ECA that we do here is, and you said it before, we talk all about preparation.

Speaker 156 We talk about avoidance, because the last thing you want to do is be in that situation where

Speaker 156 you are forced to fire your gun, and

Speaker 156 no one wants to kill anyone. We just simply want to stop the threat.
But you're right,

Speaker 156 if you train properly and if you are prepared, but if you are in that situation, I know that you'd do the same thing that I do, which is

Speaker 156 do whatever it takes to protect your family and loved ones.

Speaker 156 And you're right.

Speaker 156 Once the threat is gone and you pull that trigger, now your life is going to be hell.

Speaker 19 Yeah, now nobody is protecting the

Speaker 117 protector.

Speaker 59 Now you're on your own and you have about three

Speaker 82 years of total hell with attorneys, do you not?

Speaker 156 At least, at least. And one of the things actually, I think you actually said this to me once when we were having a meeting.
You said, you know, Tim, it's expensive to prove your innocence nowadays.

Speaker 156 And that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 156 You're going to need up to, you know, $500,000, maybe a million dollars to have the best criminal defense lawyers, the best expert witnesses, essentially to keep you out of jail.

Speaker 27 And how many people,

Speaker 43 when you actually fire your weapon,

Speaker 33 how many people actually go through that? What is the percentage of people that actually go through that?

Speaker 125 Is it pretty much guaranteed everybody got to go through that?

Speaker 156 So much of it, Glenn, has to do with where you live and

Speaker 156 the politics of

Speaker 156 the district attorneys in your area. So if you're living in New York City or in Los Angeles or pretty much any big city in the country, there are

Speaker 157 charges. You're toast.

Speaker 79 You're toast.

Speaker 3 Okay, Tim, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 78 Any idea of how you think the Congress is going to act because of last week's shootings?

Speaker 156 Oh, gosh. Unfortunately, I don't have a ton of confidence in our

Speaker 23 senators.

Speaker 156 I hope they do the right thing. I also hope that Cornyn gets the National Reciprocity Act going.
And I mean, every time something bad happens, you want to learn from it and

Speaker 156 come up with better laws and make better legislation. Unfortunately, play works in our country.

Speaker 69 It kind of works backwards.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much, Tim. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 I want you to call Pat.

Speaker 37 Give me the number again.

Speaker 13 I want you to call the Speaker's Office and ask for Thomas Massey's bill to be passed.

Speaker 37 Call Cornyn, too, and say, you know, hey, I'd like this to happen all over the country.

Speaker 78 But we know from Massey that, you know, his is constitutional to be able to do this in the District of Columbia.

Speaker 135 Speaker Ryan's office is 202-225-0600.

Speaker 101 Okay. Real quick, Glenn, the BCRA,

Speaker 101 the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017, the Senate version of the Health Care Act has just been released. So we're going through it as we speak, and we'll have some details for you coming up.

Speaker 101 Sure, it's going to be good.

Speaker 135 You know it is.

Speaker 101 I can tell you right off the bat a couple things.

Speaker 101 The Long-Term State Innovation Fund Fund dedicates $62 billion over eight years to encourage states to assist high-cost and low-income individuals to purchase health insurance by making it more affordable.

Speaker 101 We also have

Speaker 101 another giant fund in here. This is interesting.
So,

Speaker 101 one of the complaints on this, oh, people are going to drop off of health insurance. So, here's how they're trying to address it.
Again, these are just the initial details.

Speaker 101 I've not read the entire bill yet. Short-term stabilization fund.

Speaker 101 To help balance premium costs and promote more choice in insurance markets throughout the country, the stabilization fund would help address coverage and access disruption by providing $15 billion per year in 2018 and 2019, $10 billion a year in 2020 and 2021.

Speaker 101 And it would continue federal assistance through 2019 to help lower health care costs for low-income Americans in the individual market.

Speaker 101 So what that kind of reads as, and again, we've got to see the details, but it reads as, okay, we're going to get a few years of a lot of the stuff that you are already getting from Obamacare to continue and would bring that up to 2019.

Speaker 101 Now, of course, if it goes through 2019, then it comes off during the election

Speaker 101 year where Trump is trying to run for re-election. And if Democrats are going to come in there and say, obviously, these things are going away, Trump won't stop it, it's going to be a mess.

Speaker 74 That's why this is just the beginning, Stu.

Speaker 145 This is just the beginning, and we're going to work on it and put it together so it's better for the American people.

Speaker 101 And there is some good stuff in here. I'm just, you know, of course I'm starting with the

Speaker 13 start with the good stuff at the top of the hour as we go through it together.

Speaker 99 Now this.

Speaker 81 Road trip this summer.

Speaker 4 Nothing like putting the kids in the car and going on a road trip.

Speaker 87 Nothing like it.

Speaker 44 Are we there yet?

Speaker 106 I got to go potty.

Speaker 16 Are we there yet?

Speaker 106 I got to go potty. I got to go potty.

Speaker 99 Followed by, are we there yet?

Speaker 56 Meet some of the local mechanics in Arkansas to fix a broken water pump. That's right.

Speaker 28 And then getting back in the car.

Speaker 30 Are we there yet?

Speaker 28 I got to go potty. Why are we going in the first place?

Speaker 27 I didn't want to to go on this trip.

Speaker 119 She's hitting me. She's hitting me.
She's hitting me.

Speaker 139 No, I'm not. Yes, I am.

Speaker 143 Nothing better than a cross-country car trip with your kids.

Speaker 158 I beg that the water pump goes out until I have to actually pay the bill.

Speaker 7 Because that will set you back about 500 bucks.

Speaker 56 Air conditioning.

Speaker 115 Oh, are we there yet? I'm hot.

Speaker 142 I'm hot.

Speaker 116 I know.

Speaker 113 Replacing the air conditioner was $1,500.

Speaker 143 And I'm taking you to a bad version of Disney because I can't afford Disney because they're ripping me off more than the mechanic is.

Speaker 23 Shut up.

Speaker 47 Whoa.

Speaker 60 It's going to be such a great trip.

Speaker 93 Oh, I miss those.

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Speaker 12 Oh man, this is not going to be a pleasant hour because we have the GOP's health care bill we're going to start breaking down.

Speaker 9 We have the new solar panel wall.

Speaker 9 And Pat just accused me of having an irrational hatred for Brendan Fraser movies.

Speaker 56 There is no such thing as irrational hatred of

Speaker 19 Brendan Fraser movies.

Speaker 23 Everywhere,

Speaker 18 if you've seen a Brendan Fraser movie, you have a fear of seeing another one, and you automatically...

Speaker 12 He's trying to convince me that the Brendan Fraser mummies were great.

Speaker 10 They were pipped.

Speaker 79 I didn't say great. I said they were good.

Speaker 23 Yeah, they were worth watching.

Speaker 52 They're far horrible.

Speaker 23 As is every other movie he's ever been in. They're horrible.

Speaker 39 Horrible. No.

Speaker 18 And I have, just to piss you two off, I have a review of the Transformers movie, which I saw with my son last night.

Speaker 80 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 23 So I can't wait.

Speaker 101 Your movie reviews are usually very strong.

Speaker 23 You.

Speaker 135 Except for not.

Speaker 80 Well, except for all examples.

Speaker 23 Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 26 We're going to start with healthcare, and it's going downhill from there.

Speaker 23 Right now.

Speaker 23 I will make it stand. I will raise my voice.
I will hold your hand. Cause we have won.
I will be my drum. I have made my choice.
We will overcome.

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Speaker 17 You know, I am so tired of Washington, D.C.

Speaker 29 I have to tell you,

Speaker 9 I think

Speaker 20 I have to apologize for,

Speaker 83 you know, my behavior over the last year and a half.

Speaker 115 When I was fighting for

Speaker 65 Ted Cruz,

Speaker 35 you know, I believed that we could fix this country because we could refer, you know, we could go back to the Constitution.

Speaker 37 I think you were ahead of me.

Speaker 124 You know that

Speaker 27 Washington, D.C.

Speaker 66 is so broken that there's no one going back to the Constitution.

Speaker 3 It's just not going to happen in today's climate.

Speaker 25 So I apologize for actually believing

Speaker 147 you were ahead of me on that.

Speaker 7 Let's look at what's happening with the health care bill now.

Speaker 49 Health care bill, and we have to.

Speaker 135 Well, keep in mind, this is Republican, so they're fixing it.

Speaker 23 This is going to be,

Speaker 40 it's fixed.

Speaker 89 Keep in mind, it's the beginning. It's just the beginning.

Speaker 107 It's repeal and replace.

Speaker 135 And I'll betcha they've...

Speaker 135 really taken a hard stand here.

Speaker 12 Keep in mind, we're at 11.08 Eastern time in the morning.

Speaker 66 If you happen to listen to the show, delayed.

Speaker 20 So we're just getting the bill. It's just been released.

Speaker 27 So we're kind of, Stu is looking at the whole bill.

Speaker 19 We're looking at the reads of the bill.

Speaker 82 So we can't give you our opinion quite yet on this, but we will tomorrow.

Speaker 81 They have

Speaker 121 released the GOP Senate version, the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017.

Speaker 23 It

Speaker 52 looks more than a little like the House bill, which kept most of Obamacare's structure in place.

Speaker 56 The Senate plan actually looks closer to Obamacare that is already on the books.

Speaker 110 You don't have to be told this,

Speaker 113 but this is why I'm so sick of Washington, D.C.,

Speaker 13 and I apologize to you.

Speaker 73 The average plan

Speaker 16 has risen by 22%

Speaker 5 by the way that was last year

Speaker 129 the average plan rose in cost by 22 percent

Speaker 135 bearing in mind that this was going to save everybody twenty five hundred dollars per family per year right remember that was the promise in just the last year and early reports show large spikes are coming this year as well

Speaker 92 the the

Speaker 126 for-profit health insurance providers, you know, the people who actually think we need to be able to make money to be able to keep this thing running, have lost so much money, they've either scaled back

Speaker 81 their participation or have dropped out entirely.

Speaker 13 Obamacare is collapsing now.

Speaker 141 Unlike the House plan,

Speaker 79 The Senate plan does not allow states to apply for a waiver to opt out of those rules, but it does eliminate the health insurance mandate.

Speaker 27 Here's Stu to give us, who's been trying to read this 148-page summary

Speaker 27 on exactly what it means.

Speaker 101 It's pretty, I mean, it's interesting. Here is, I like this, this will give you the boil down here to start.
It is exactly what critics predicted. This is from Reason.

Speaker 101 A bill that, at least in the near term, retains weakened versions of nearly all of Obamacare's core features while fixing few, if any, of the problems that Republicans say they want to fix.

Speaker 101 It is Obamacare Light, the healthcare law that Republicans claim to oppose, but less of it. It represents a total failure of Republican policy imagination.
Here's some of the details of it.

Speaker 101 Even more than the House plan, the Senate plan.

Speaker 142 By the way, can I ask?

Speaker 15 I heard last night.

Speaker 21 The Republicans are saying they wanted to keep Donald Trump away from this bill

Speaker 82 because it was

Speaker 27 so hard to get done.

Speaker 20 And they just wanted him because they were afraid he would make a mess of this that they wanted to keep him away from this bill.

Speaker 101 I don't know if that's true. I know that.

Speaker 56 That's what I heard.

Speaker 79 I saw a report and I saw the actual screen grab of that text coming from a congressman.

Speaker 46 And looking at this,

Speaker 118 how could have anyone made this worse?

Speaker 101 He's apparently been lobbying for it.

Speaker 101 He reportedly was lobbying Rand Paul to try to get him to vote for it.

Speaker 101 Mike Lee had also been lobbied reportedly by Ted Cruz on this to see how he could get down the road.

Speaker 135 Does that mean Ted Cruz is for it?

Speaker 23 That's not been announced.

Speaker 107 That just was one report.

Speaker 5 I don't know who they are yet, but there are four.

Speaker 10 They need all but two

Speaker 19 Republicans to sign up.

Speaker 87 And there are four Republicans who said, from what I know so far, I'm not interested, but I'm not ruling it out.

Speaker 133 And that's, look, I think that's ⁇ you shouldn't rule it out yet.

Speaker 23 No, you shouldn't this is not

Speaker 101 the bill. There's a lot of debate to happen.
The problem is what usually happens in these debates is that they get worse.

Speaker 101 But so let me give you some more of the is the actual details of this. Again, this is the new Senate version of the quote-unquote repeal and replace bill from Obamacare.

Speaker 101 Even more than the House plan, the Senate plan retains the essential structure of Obamacare's individual market reforms.

Speaker 101 Like the House plan, the Senate plan retains Obamacare's major insurance regulations, including the requirement to cover preexisting conditions at the federal level.

Speaker 94 Okay, so that's the thing that Chuck Schumer said.

Speaker 65 It's a very, very sad bill.

Speaker 138 It's a very, very, sorry, very, very mean bill because

Speaker 11 they were saying that they wanted to take out preexisting conditions. So you understand, so your friends understand.

Speaker 150 The entire thing about insurance is, and this has been lost through SSI, Social Security insurance, that's not insurance.

Speaker 46 That's a guarantee.

Speaker 64 Healthcare is not a guarantee.

Speaker 18 The way insurance works is you're in pools of people and the bigger the pool, the better.

Speaker 28 But what do we do?

Speaker 65 We break those pools up.

Speaker 124 You cannot cross state lines.

Speaker 118 So I can't be in a pool with people all across the country.

Speaker 142 So what happens?

Speaker 132 If you're put in the pool, the company is betting that you're not going to get sick, knowing that some people will be born with cerebral palsy and somebody will have a heart attack and somebody in their pool will have cancer.

Speaker 11 But it's not a sure thing.

Speaker 150 If I said, I'm going to cover everyone who has cancer and you don't have to pay me prior to having cancer,

Speaker 22 that's a losing proposition.

Speaker 150 Cancer centers can't do that.

Speaker 139 The American Cancer Society can't do that.

Speaker 27 If you want to cover everyone with cancer, then you should demand that the American Cancer Society covers everyone with cancer.

Speaker 111 No one can afford to do that.

Speaker 101 And this is why we said in the beginning, if this passes, there's no getting rid of it.

Speaker 26 No.

Speaker 29 Because once you've given this to people, it's nearly impossible to take it away.

Speaker 20 And if you wanted to do something where people had pre-existing conditions of some

Speaker 139 something,

Speaker 27 then you and you can't feel like you can't take it away.

Speaker 109 Okay, then come up with a government program, which I'm completely against, but I'm not hearing anybody say this, that is outside of the insurance system.

Speaker 27 Come up with something different for people with pre-existing catastrophic conditions that need help.

Speaker 99 Okay, I don't like that.

Speaker 115 I would never propose that, but that's the way you do it to protect the insurance for people who have the sniffles and the cold and a broken arm.

Speaker 27 What's happening is people are not, you have insurance and I can't go to the insurance company and say, hey, I just broke my arm.

Speaker 26 I need you to, I'm going to sign up.

Speaker 15 No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 18 You can't sign up once you've broken your arm.

Speaker 16 But that's what is happening.

Speaker 136 You don't have to have the insurance.

Speaker 16 You don't have to pay in, but you're guaranteed if you have a pre-existing condition to get it.

Speaker 20 So I've never paid a dime to an insurance company.

Speaker 136 I'm not paying in for the pool.

Speaker 135 Just wait till you get sick and then sign up.

Speaker 139 Right. And then I sign up and then the insurance company has to take you and cover you.

Speaker 115 This is why

Speaker 135 so many insurance companies have dropped out of the exchanges.

Speaker 99 They're all

Speaker 122 if this continues, insurance companies will go out of business.

Speaker 54 Yep.

Speaker 126 Now, they signed.

Speaker 146 I have no sympathy at all for these insurance companies.

Speaker 115 Many of them pushed for this.

Speaker 79 Yes, for a business.

Speaker 93 And the biggest ones did.

Speaker 101 And of course, you know, I don't know. Could it be because it benefits them in the long run?

Speaker 101 I mean, basically, what they have designed is a system that legally required people to come into their store and buy their product. Yes.

Speaker 101 So, of course, obviously, you're going down a road here, which ends likely in them, you know, getting

Speaker 101 their industry getting money from every single citizen in the country.

Speaker 19 But it doesn't work here.

Speaker 114 It doesn't work here.

Speaker 101 This is a half step to something where they're going to. Again, I don't think any of it works, but

Speaker 5 do

Speaker 20 for that here's what here's here let me explain this outside of insurance if the nfl said

Speaker 72 everybody has to listen no no we're going to no no no we're okay we're over okay okay we're okay um everybody has to buy danger everybody has to buy uh nfl season tickets

Speaker 118 and uh everybody has to buy it but the government then said you have to guarantee that those people who already have season tickets get season tickets and those are those are free those go those are don't have to worry about it they pay regular price you know and it's a reduced price but then no one else in the country is buying their season tickets because they didn't want them and it doesn't matter to them what the hell is going to happen to the nfl the nfl now the nfl is just having to buy all their own tickets there's no they're not making any money i think they thought well if we get everybody in the country to pay, we're going to make tons of money.

Speaker 122 Nobody's doing it.

Speaker 18 Nobody's doing it.

Speaker 80 And

Speaker 101 I hate to step on your point here, which is a good one. And obviously, the preexisting conditions argument is something we've had for a long time.

Speaker 101 However, that argument is completely irrelevant in our society right now. Currently, Obamacare guarantees pre-existing conditions.
The House bill guarantees pre-existing conditions.

Speaker 101 The Senate bill guarantees pre-existing conditions. And the president has says he must have preexisting conditions in any bill that he would support.

Speaker 101 So it is like there is no one on the other side outside of nine people in this audience who actually think insurance is insurance anymore.

Speaker 19 Right. And so, and that's the problem.

Speaker 95 If you want to take preexisting conditions and come up with something that is not insurance, then that's good.

Speaker 13 Or if you say, all right, we're going to do preexisting conditions.

Speaker 45 We as the United States of America believe that no one should have to worry about a catastrophic failure.

Speaker 52 And you know what?

Speaker 148 There's a lot to be said for that.

Speaker 32 That That no one in this country should ever have to lose their house because they have cancer or their kid has cancer and they've lost everything.

Speaker 148 Okay, so we as a society step in and say, we're going to take care of you.

Speaker 27 I don't think that's a wise idea, but it's charitable and it's nice and it makes us feel good.

Speaker 122 And it is a nice thing to do.

Speaker 114 Okay, great.

Speaker 4 But that's not insurance.

Speaker 136 So let's solve that problem.

Speaker 10 And then how can we make the insurance that everybody needs really cheap?

Speaker 94 They're not doing that.

Speaker 98 They're not making insurance more cheaply.

Speaker 18 They're making it much more expensive.

Speaker 136 This is only going to make things worse and collapse the entire system.

Speaker 101 Quickly on this point, because I mean, this is point one of this, and this is really not even one that's being argued again about at this point.

Speaker 101 It also retains another thing that is in Obamacare, in the House plan, now in the Senate plan, and also something the president wants, which is you keep your kids on your insurance until they're 26 years old.

Speaker 101 So that the only difference here.

Speaker 87 How is it my kid is an adult to the government and to the doctors when they're eight,

Speaker 139 when they could get birth control the minute they start to menstruate and have an abortion and they're an adult and they have nothing.

Speaker 7 I have nothing to say about that, but they're a kid that I have to continue to pay for until they're 26.

Speaker 101 I will add to this, the one difference between the House and the Senate plan is some of these restrictions under the House plan gave the option for states to opt out, to get a waiver and opt out of some of these restrictions.

Speaker 101 Not all, but some.

Speaker 80 The House plan did.

Speaker 107 The House plan did.

Speaker 23 It was awful.

Speaker 101 It was already bad. The Senate bill does not give states the option to get a waiver and drop out of some of them more.

Speaker 112 Let's see if if we can get Mike Lee on.

Speaker 87 See if we can get Mike Lee on.

Speaker 58 I'd love to hear what he has to say about this bill.

Speaker 101 I mean, it just, you know, it's just coming out, so he may not be able to, but I mean, if he knows about it, maybe we can get him on tomorrow.

Speaker 109 All right, let me take a quick break.

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Speaker 27 so we're looking so so Stu says Glenn shut up you've brought up two things that are not in the bill and nobody's even arguing for and they're okay so let me ask you this state lines insurance across state lines, right?

Speaker 92 That one's it.

Speaker 135 I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Speaker 133 That's what everybody thought

Speaker 107 could make this so much better.

Speaker 79 Yeah.

Speaker 18 You're seeing that, right?

Speaker 126 I mean, reason and politico and

Speaker 99 that's like point one.

Speaker 101 That is not point one.

Speaker 144 No.

Speaker 23 That's point two.

Speaker 101 Again, two.

Speaker 136 And it's at least mentioned in all the articles that you've read.

Speaker 99 I know you haven't read the full bill yet, but it is it.

Speaker 82 No, it's it's wait.

Speaker 133 No. Where is it then?

Speaker 40 Okay, it's not in the

Speaker 99 articles about it.

Speaker 23 Hmm.

Speaker 144 No, no.

Speaker 144 So

Speaker 101 it's interesting in that.

Speaker 135 It's hard to believe they can't even do that, isn't it?

Speaker 101 Well, I just don't know if it's anything.

Speaker 40 I get no. No.

Speaker 27 Hang on. May I have an intervention?

Speaker 94 It's time for an intervention.

Speaker 125 I agree with that.

Speaker 101 I mean, it might not be the same intervention you're talking about, but yes, I think.

Speaker 37 You're referring to like having one with me.

Speaker 23 No. Okay.

Speaker 5 I think it's time for an intervention of Pat. He's like, it's crazy that they couldn't even get that done.

Speaker 109 Stop it.

Speaker 33 Let go of that silly belief that these people will do the right thing.

Speaker 79 Stop it, Pat.

Speaker 60 It's harmful to you, your family, your relationships, our relationship, the country.

Speaker 18 Give up on that belief.

Speaker 135 Give up all hope in our government.

Speaker 142 In our government.

Speaker 52 In our government. All hope.

Speaker 145 I mean, people are already giving up hope on the feed.

Speaker 145 If healthcare costs continue to rise, they're going to have to start selling face cream.

Speaker 72 So it's terrible. They're worried.

Speaker 23 Joanna Gaines is already doing it. She's doing it.
No, she's not.

Speaker 101 I actually got an email from someone, very beginning of the sort of Trump administration, from a person who was a big Trump skeptic, did not like Trump at all.

Speaker 101 And they said, oh, my gosh, when these first reports are coming out, oh, my gosh, they're going to repeal Obamacare.

Speaker 23 I can't believe this.

Speaker 101 I did not think this would happen. I would never.

Speaker 133 Yeah, this is where we are now.

Speaker 101 Just a few months later, I mean, all of that, even the hope, I think, from almost everyone on the conservative side looking at these bills is dead.

Speaker 101 Now, you hope maybe you get the individual mandate and a few of the taxes gone and you say, hey, celebrate. We backed off a 10 on the horrible scale to a 9.5.

Speaker 102 That's all we're hoping for.

Speaker 101 It's the only thing we're even wishing for out of this bill anymore. And that is really where we are.

Speaker 101 If what you're hope for is a small government and a free market and a conservative platform, you're not even hoping anymore for something good.

Speaker 101 You're hoping to take a 10 and reverse it a little bit to an 8.9.

Speaker 30 I'm hoping that they don't torture me before they shoot me in the head.

Speaker 144 Well, so you have even less hope.

Speaker 69 Okay, all right.

Speaker 23 That's kind of where we are.

Speaker 18 Just, will you just kill me quickly, or you'll have to torture me too?

Speaker 35 Back in just a second.

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Speaker 103 All right.

Speaker 121 Let's go to the health care bill.

Speaker 19 We're going to give you the full rundown of this tomorrow, what it means, and then we'll hopefully talk to a couple of Senate leaders on it tomorrow.

Speaker 83 This just came out about an hour ago, so we haven't read the entire bill yet.

Speaker 20 We're trying to scan it as we go in between the breaks.

Speaker 19 Stu has a couple of updates, and then we're going to move on to something else that is happening, the border wall.

Speaker 101 Okay, so we know one of the big complaints about the house bill was it's going to complain it's going to create all this instability some people are going to drop off insurance blah blah blah blah blah the way the senate bill attempts to to manage that is by buying off health insurance companies with payments republicans previously argued were illegal and should be stopped it is called they're called csr payments cost-sharing reduction payments they're subsidies due to insurers through 2019 it authorizes those and back payments of those subsidies that insurers have not received on this front it is actually an expansion of obamacare now so wait so

Speaker 58 we're paying our tax dollars and we're giving subsidies to insurance programs?

Speaker 101 Yeah, to insurance companies to make it essentially worth their while to

Speaker 101 reduce their cost.

Speaker 84 How about my freaking 21% increase that I paid last year as being their incentive?

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 101 Now,

Speaker 101 to give Trump some credit here, these are the payments that he, in particular, was talking about or at least been floated in the media that Trump was talking about withholding these payments to the insurance companies, which basically would make the entire

Speaker 101 individual market fall apart.

Speaker 101 And so, this is the Senate saying, no, we're not only going to do them, we're going to give them back payments, which is actually going to give them more money and actually expand Obamacare slightly on that market.

Speaker 56 So, we know that the insurance company lobby got their shit in.

Speaker 101 Yeah, they got their stuff in, yeah.

Speaker 101 So, they, so the

Speaker 73 I did say CH.

Speaker 80 Yes,

Speaker 99 I assume you didn't just swear in the middle of it.

Speaker 18 I just saw kind of everybody look at each other, and I'm like, no, I just want to make sure that I was trying to think, what was that word exactly?

Speaker 23 They got their stuff.

Speaker 101 So the

Speaker 101 so this is probably, if you want the clearest example as to what the GOP Senate health care bill does, if you just want to understand it with one little function, it's this.

Speaker 101 The House version of the repeal provided free money to people for health care, as does Obamacare. They did it based on age.

Speaker 101 The Senate bill does it based on income, which is the exact same way Obamacare does it. Here is the difference, however.
Again, this is what I'm talking about when the difference of these plans.

Speaker 101 Obamacare gave free money to people up to $98,000 a year in salary.

Speaker 107 Okay?

Speaker 101 That's Obamacare, $98,000 a year.

Speaker 135 You get free money up to $98,000.

Speaker 107 Yes.

Speaker 101 The Senate bill will give free money to people for health care up to $86,000 a year.

Speaker 23 Wait, what?

Speaker 102 So that's the difference.

Speaker 101 It is, instead of $98,000, they're making it $86,000.

Speaker 82 So wait, that's more money that

Speaker 101 why do I use numbers? Why do I even use them?

Speaker 101 Why even say them out loud?

Speaker 116 Wait, so wait, so wait.

Speaker 101 If you earn up to $86,000 a year under the GOP plan, you'll get free money.

Speaker 80 Okay, okay.

Speaker 101 Under Obamacare, it was $98,000.

Speaker 103 So it is a slight

Speaker 114 tiny, teeny rollback of what this was.

Speaker 101 And if you want to look at it easily,

Speaker 101 if what we had in 2008 was a zero and Obamacare was a 10 as far as where these plans are. This is a nine over 10.
This is, let's say

Speaker 101 the House plan was an eight and this is a nine, right?

Speaker 47 Which is exactly what we said it would be.

Speaker 95 Yes.

Speaker 83 We said it would go to the Senate and it would get worse and everybody said, no, no, it's going to get better.

Speaker 79 Just the beginning.

Speaker 79 We're working through this. Okay, all right.

Speaker 101 So there you go. I mean, if you want a basic understanding, that's what it is.

Speaker 107 But it does

Speaker 135 two good things that we know of, right? It removes the individual mandate.

Speaker 101 Which to me, and I've said this before many times, I believe is the most offensive part of Obama's

Speaker 23 individual mandate.

Speaker 18 Well, the individual mandate is unconstitutional.

Speaker 101 I could maintain that regardless of what the Supreme Court says.

Speaker 118 The individual mandate is the only thing that makes this work.

Speaker 101 Supposedly. I don't know.
I mean, you could argue that. One person who argued the opposite of that was Barack Obama in the campaign.
He said you didn't need an individual mandate. If you wanted an

Speaker 23 mandate, you could just have it buy homes.

Speaker 18 There would be no homelessness.

Speaker 101 I mean, like he used to mock that idea. But you're right.
I mean, there is a function of it to force people and gather all their money through tax penalties to pay for this nonsense.

Speaker 130 Is the Cadillac tax gone?

Speaker 101 The Cadillac tax, I have not read that on this particular bill. The House bill pushed it out but did not remove it.

Speaker 109 I mean, that's craziness. The other one is.

Speaker 55 Can you continue?

Speaker 121 Look,

Speaker 18 as a businessman, I cannot run my business and plan plan for the future when I don't know what the government is going to cost me next year or the year after or the year after that.

Speaker 132 I have to have a stable environment to be able to run my business.

Speaker 101 And so much of this is just bookkeeping fakery, right?

Speaker 21 Do you know what it is?

Speaker 126 It's not only bookkeeping figuring, it's also when is the next election that we need to be the savior of the world.

Speaker 101 Exactly. For example, the Medicaid, what they're doing with Medicaid is they're slowly rolling back the Medicaid and they're cutting it deeply, deep cuts to this Medicaid program.

Speaker 101 And that's one of the things that the Democrats are going to say about it. However, it pushes those cuts so far out in the future, but still within the 10-year frame.

Speaker 101 The 10-year frame is important because that's how they score these CBO bills. So

Speaker 101 they have to do this to get reconciliation to work. So what they're doing is they're telling you, you know what, we're going to cut Medicaid by

Speaker 151 100%.

Speaker 113 We promise in 2026.

Speaker 114 We all know that is not going to occur.

Speaker 101 When it comes down to 2026, they're going to just change it and start spending that money again. So it is not even real.
The savings here is not even real.

Speaker 101 They're obviously going to change that later on, as they've done many times before on both sides of the aisle.

Speaker 99 All right.

Speaker 60 Well, let's at least go to something stable that we can trust.

Speaker 20 We know the wall is going to be built.

Speaker 40 Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 56 The president was talking about it.

Speaker 64 He guaranteed when he went to Iowa this week that he guaranteed, he guaranteed that Obamacare will be repealed, fully repealed and replaced.

Speaker 18 He guaranteed that.

Speaker 58 He also said he has a new idea on the wall.

Speaker 135 And what an idea it is.

Speaker 23 This is an upgrade.

Speaker 159 We're already spending a lot of money on design, but I'll give you an idea that nobody has heard about yet. And I'm not sure, but I'm a builder.
That's what I love to do.

Speaker 159 That's probably what I do best. I'm a builder.

Speaker 36 Should do that.

Speaker 159 And we're thinking of something that's unique. We're talking about the southern border.
Lots of sun, lots of heat.

Speaker 159 We're thinking about building the wall as a solar wall so it creates energy and pays for itself.

Speaker 149 That is

Speaker 53 the solar panel.

Speaker 135 Okay, solar panel wall.

Speaker 71 And this way,

Speaker 159 Mexico will have to pay much less money.

Speaker 107 And that's good, right?

Speaker 36 Is that good?

Speaker 52 No.

Speaker 51 No, not really.

Speaker 61 They don't even know what to say.

Speaker 135 So we pay for the solar panels on the wall.

Speaker 82 Is that what he's saying?

Speaker 107 So Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

Speaker 135 Okay, the solar panels are going to be expensive. I don't know if anybody's aware of that.

Speaker 83 No, the reason, no, hang on just a second.

Speaker 45 This is how this works.

Speaker 19 This is the only way for that sentence to even work.

Speaker 19 Mexico is going to pay a lot less for the wall.

Speaker 114 Okay.

Speaker 82 Well, how are they going to pay a lot less for the wall?

Speaker 96 Well, the wall is going to be very expensive.

Speaker 101 It'll be much more expensive, obviously, if you're putting solar panels on the wall.

Speaker 87 Let's talk about the solar panels in a minute, please.

Speaker 79 Okay. Sure.

Speaker 20 So that's going to be in a very expensive wall.

Speaker 52 All right.

Speaker 125 But what we're going to do is we're going to put solar panels.

Speaker 128 We will.

Speaker 57 We'll put solar panels on that wall.

Speaker 46 So now we'll get the energy savings. So

Speaker 53 the wall technically will cost us less because

Speaker 95 it's not just a wall.

Speaker 28 We're also going to build a huge energy farm.

Speaker 137 And so if we wanted to build that energy farm as well, we're just going to build this energy farm there on the wall.

Speaker 82 So we're going to pay for a lot of that.

Speaker 20 And we're going to get all that money back because the energy is going to be so cheap.

Speaker 79 Eventually.

Speaker 113 But solar energy isn't cheap.

Speaker 37 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 142 It's really cheap because once we build it, once we build it, then you have all that energy rolling in.

Speaker 101 Yeah, but there's a cost to building it.

Speaker 54 Yeah, yeah, but once we build it,

Speaker 133 then you'll experience those savings in a number of decades.

Speaker 56 Right.

Speaker 45 And so that's why you don't have to worry.

Speaker 50 You don't have to charge Mexico so much because it's not just a wall.

Speaker 82 We're partnering with them.

Speaker 82 We're going to build these solar panels and then they can build a little bit of the wall and then we're going to build these solar panels and they'll build a little bit of the wall.

Speaker 98 And so it's more of a

Speaker 87 North American partnership here.

Speaker 101 But it's also a bizarre understanding for a Republican of what solar panels do.

Speaker 133 Because they don't save you money.

Speaker 101 That is not, I don't know if

Speaker 101 this is not something that actually happens. Okay.

Speaker 101 When you spend,

Speaker 107 can I tell you something?

Speaker 63 Okay. I have solar energy.

Speaker 80 Okay. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 142 I have solar energy.

Speaker 21 So far, my solar energy has cost me,

Speaker 82 I'm going to buy new batteries

Speaker 37 this next year, which are another $46,000.

Speaker 53 But without the $46,000 for the batteries, what?

Speaker 7 Without the $46,000 for the batteries,

Speaker 95 I have spent only about $200,000 on my energy program with solar panels.

Speaker 79 Well, that's pretty good.

Speaker 71 I'm not going to say energy.

Speaker 135 Because $84 you're saving every month in electric bills, that's going to add up.

Speaker 52 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Well, you know, and

Speaker 23 in 190 years, it will have paid for itself.

Speaker 19 And I go to that house and I use it probably about six months a year.

Speaker 146 I'm sorry, six weeks a year maximum.

Speaker 60 And out of those six weeks every year,

Speaker 30 that's about probably five trips a year up there.

Speaker 142 Only about

Speaker 89 four

Speaker 63 and a half to 4.8 times do I have to have somebody come up and work on the solar panels of the generator to make sure everything's okay.

Speaker 23 Oh, really? Oh, that's great.

Speaker 27 So there is, I won't hear you bad-mouth solar energy.

Speaker 71 You are saving some money.

Speaker 158 We are saving a buttload of money.

Speaker 112 And we're helping the environment.

Speaker 135 Did I miss the part during the campaign where he said, we're going to make sure that it's easy for Mexico Mexico to pay for this wall. We're going to make it less expensive so then they'll agree.

Speaker 23 Well, no, we want to be good friends.

Speaker 125 I mean, I think that's right.

Speaker 35 I mean, we do want to be good friends.

Speaker 79 We do.

Speaker 99 We do. We do.

Speaker 56 And so making it cheaper by having us build something that just for my house costs over 200 grand,

Speaker 158 it's going to be so great when we put those solar panels all across, you know, a couple of thousand miles.

Speaker 101 And he said, didn't he say, too, the taller the wall, the better, because then we can get more solar panels on it?

Speaker 101 Which, again, like, I think you could argue that he's just trolling the left, right? Oh, well, I guess they, what are they going to be opposed to solar panels on this wall?

Speaker 101 You could argue this is not a real proposal. I guess is the best argument against the power of the power.

Speaker 99 He sounds like he was serious.

Speaker 158 He sounds like he was serious, but I don't know what's real and not.

Speaker 35 Did you hear?

Speaker 55 And it's being presented as a real proposal, but it's already a law.

Speaker 26 He said, I'm proposing that you can't have welfare.

Speaker 7 If you come into the United States, you can't take any welfare benefits for five years.

Speaker 52 Well, that's already a law.

Speaker 52 That's a law already.

Speaker 30 So you could propose it all you want,

Speaker 118 but I'd have to go into a time machine to get Congress to

Speaker 58 pass it because they've already done it.

Speaker 92 Done it.

Speaker 99 Unless you want to repeal and replace that law.

Speaker 99 It's working with Obamacare, which

Speaker 105 we would just replace it with exactly the same thing.

Speaker 101 On the Wonderful World of Stew on the Blaze this Friday, my monologue is actually about the Tesla solar roof, which goes into the economics. And these are numbers from Tesla.

Speaker 101 So these are the people trying to sell you a solar roof. Even they say you're talking about, for an average home, $50,000 to $70,000 of upfront money to put the solar panels in.

Speaker 101 Can I tell you something?

Speaker 82 That's cheap.

Speaker 133 Oh, yeah. No, this is for a small house.
Yeah, that's cheap. Again,

Speaker 101 and this is not, the average middle-class home, the person who would be living in a house like this would not have $70,000 to kick around to throw at their roof.

Speaker 79 Yes.

Speaker 101 If you do this, you get the tax credits and everything else, you might break even in 30 years based on their flowery X.

Speaker 66 And in 30 years, all of the stuff that you spent, $70,000, is going to be so unbelievably obsolete.

Speaker 135 Absolutely obsolete.

Speaker 23 In addition to that.

Speaker 27 The real problem is not the solar panel.

Speaker 13 I mean, that is the problem.

Speaker 30 They're still too big.

Speaker 19 They're not as efficient as they need to be. But the other problem is batteries.

Speaker 30 The batteries.

Speaker 101 Yeah, you have to spend money on that, too.

Speaker 86 And

Speaker 18 keeping the batteries charged to the right level, make sure they never go down so they don't crash.

Speaker 146 I mean,

Speaker 126 it is not easy, nor is it cheap.

Speaker 51 Yeah. It doesn't work yet.

Speaker 101 And again, to get to the numbers where it might come close to paying off, you have to get a giant tax credit from the government, which, by the way, you wouldn't get if you're building a wall and you are the government.

Speaker 101 There's not going wouldn't be a tax credit there.

Speaker 128 They can get the tax. They'll qualify for the tax.

Speaker 40 Yeah, I bet they will.

Speaker 101 And the other part is, you know, when you're building a house, you're adding on property value. So your property taxes are going up.

Speaker 101 Not to mention, you took $70,000 out of an investment or a bank account and put it into a, on your roof.

Speaker 151 So now that's not, you're not

Speaker 101 gathering any new money.

Speaker 21 You are in this one way.

Speaker 66 If you live around people who say, I want to be off the grid, I do not want to be.

Speaker 80 Yeah. I mean, if that's your goal, then that's okay.

Speaker 99 If that's your goal, then

Speaker 141 and you have the money.

Speaker 101 But financially, that's not

Speaker 56 there's no, there's no financial grid in this yet. There's no financial.

Speaker 101 And Elon Musk has all but admitted that, by the way.

Speaker 101 I mean, if you're an activist and you love solar energy or you want to be off the grid because you might be a believer in something else, like there are reasons to entertain this.

Speaker 101 However, you know, even with Elon Musk pouring a lot of his own money and a lot of government money into this, they still can't make the economics work.

Speaker 124 No, it's like buying a tractor in 1903.

Speaker 7 Okay, that might work, but you're going to keep the horses there because your tractor is going to break down a lot.

Speaker 94 It's not time yet.

Speaker 95 It's a novelty, and it might work for some of the time, and, you know, you can get it stable enough for some of it, but not for the load of your house usually, and make it economical.

Speaker 80 Trust me, I know.

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Speaker 151 What happened was

Speaker 147 the alarm went off in the house and

Speaker 56 they called the neighbors and said, hey, something's going on in my house.

Speaker 50 Can you just check it out before police come?

Speaker 95 Well, that's what happened.

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Speaker 14 We're just talking about the insanity of solar power.

Speaker 27 At this point, once we really get the battery, it'd be great.

Speaker 73 Oh, it'll be great.

Speaker 109 And it will work well eventually.

Speaker 142 It will. And, you know,

Speaker 33 for supplemental power, it is really, really good.

Speaker 29 For really powering your house.

Speaker 23 Can't do it yet. Not yet.

Speaker 34 Not yet. I mean, it's really tough and expensive.

Speaker 141 It can be done, but it's still early on that.

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