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We've got a great show for you at the list of federal agencies that will be eliminated under the Trump budget.

Also, Trump draws comparisons to himself during a visit to Andrew Jackson's grave.

He keeps using that name.

I don't think it means what he think it means.

Also, he says some very interesting items in the wiretapping claims coming.

Oprah now leads Trump in a mythical race, 47 to 40.

And

which one was it where the humpback whales were telling the Star Trek crew that there was trouble coming?

Does anybody remember?

And they had that.

Yeah, it was Star Trek IV.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I think it was.

Or Star Trek Geek.

But

the Humpback Whales have started to

gather in what's called super groups, and scientists don't know why, but of course, they're suspecting trouble.

I believe the whales are plotting against us.

We get into that, and so much more beginning right now.

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This is the Glenn Beck program.

Welcome to the program.

Joining us today is John Ziegler.

He's in studio with us.

He is a fantastic talk show host that kind of lost his talk show gig because he because of why we have him on today.

Something that has made him known in some circles as a conspiracy theorist.

I'm not sure

what this,

I'm not sure how this story plays out, but he has a fascinating theory on a very big news item that

was ground shaking when it happened in, what was it, 2010?

2011.

2011.

And it's back in the news this week in a way.

Yeah, back in the news again this week.

We wanted to have him here because I think I'm fascinated by his theory.

And it may or may not be right.

I don't know.

But in the age of fake news,

what we need to do is start to have a serious conversation

about

whatever it is, the Russians.

Let's have a serious conversation without any politics in it.

So we're going to, he's going to, he's joining us now, and we're going to get into this here in just a second.

A list of some of the federal agencies that are going to be eliminated under Trump.

I can't imagine this happening, but here are the

agencies.

And this is his proposed budget.

This is not this has gone down any, you know, Congress hasn't even looked at this yet.

The African Development Foundation.

Why are we developing Africa?

We should be developing.

A lot of the foreign aid stuff is in here.

The Appalachian Regional Commission.

What does this commission do?

in Appalachia.

The Chemical Safety Board.

That's the only one with the name that I thought, maybe we should look at that one.

The Corporation for National and Community Service.

A Bubai.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

Bubba.

A,

there should be no doubt.

Sesame Street makes more money than anybody, than any other show.

Big Bird is big business, and he always has been.

Always has been.

Every kid has Sesame Street toys.

There's no reason why we're paying.

Fucking self-fund.

And now in the world where NPR is the number one podcasts,

they're number one in many, many cities on radio.

They're certainly top five.

Their television shows are now being sold all around the world.

Amazon,

you know, Hulu, Netflix.

carrying all of these shows and they're partnering with the BBC and everything else.

There is no re they make enough money.

There is no reason why we are funding them still.

None whatsoever.

The Denali Commission, which I'm sure people in Alaska are happy about.

The Delta Regional Authority.

The Institute of Museum and Library Services.

Again, the library thing, we probably might want to, I mean, there's not a lot of money in the library thing, and I'd hate to see libraries go, but I don't know what they do.

The Inter-American Foundation.

We actually have this thing called the internet now, which is pretty amazing.

You can actually see all this material on these little boxes.

I'd like to see what the Library Foundation does.

Like, for instance, I'm totally cool with the Library of Congress.

Well, yes, that's true.

Totally cool with that.

That's true.

The U.S.

Trade and Development Agency, the Legal Services Corporation, the National Endowment for the Arts.

Oh, yes.

That needs to go.

That will be.

What about people?

That's not.

I paint.

Nobody's given me a dime.

I paint.

Yeah, but think of how beautiful your paintings could be.

If you received half a million dollars.

Wouldn't you be better?

Wouldn't you be better?

You'd be a better painter.

You would.

That's for sure.

I would be.

Maybe I should apply.

The National Endowment for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities.

Oof.

The Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation.

The Northern Border Regional Commission.

The Overseas Private Investment Corporation,

that has private and overseas in the name.

What the hell is this?

The United States Institute of Peace.

The United States Interagency Council on Homelessness.

And my favorite, the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

Nice.

Bye-bye.

I'm listening to you, Glenn.

Hang on, just get it.

Turn on John's mic.

Clearly, that was an outreach to you, Glenn.

It was, I think.

That was the olive branch, and I'll take that olive branch.

I am so pro-Trump right now.

No, you're not.

I can take that back quickly because yesterday he made a point of going to the

gravesite and the childhood home of Andrew Jackson.

Oh, no, now you've lost Glenn.

After all that outreach with the Woodrow Wilson president.

Seriously, seriously.

Name two presidents that were worse than Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson.

We have gone from a new Woodrow Wilson, Obama, to a new Andrew Jackson.

See, but I think this was one of the more

interesting things to understand where Trump is coming from.

He sees himself as the new Andrew Jackson.

Yes.

And I think that that is the greatest window into his real philosophy.

I agree.

But I don't think it's him.

I think it's Bannon.

It's Bannon.

I don't think, I think the conversation, and I don't mean this as a slam, most people are like this.

You're going to be the next Andrew Jackson.

Who?

Right.

The guy on the $20 bill.

Oh,

yeah.

Oh, he must be.

What did he do?

I'll bet you that.

I think this is all Bannon.

Well, I agree with that.

Yeah.

But one of the things I thought about was, can you imagine if Trump actually lived in the era of Andrew Jackson and instead of Twitter feuds, we had pistol duels?

Trump wouldn't even be around anymore.

I mean, Andrew Jackson was in 100 pistol duels in his life

and survived, including one while he was president of the United States.

Now, so if we didn't have to, you know, if instead of Twitter, there was pistol duels.

Oh, geez.

Can you imagine if you had to, if somebody's, if you insulted somebody's honor in today's world, if they could grab a pistol and say, grab a pistol, buddy, instead of Twitter.

We do a lot of Twitter.

Can you imagine that?

We do a decent amount of criticism of social media.

This is a good change.

I'm going to say no one is a good change.

Yeah, no.

No.

I mean, I would have been dead by the hands of probably Dan Rather when he was young.

So he gave this nice speech about Andrew Jackson.

America, you'll have to excuse me, but if you remember, in 2007, I said, If you want to understand the left, you have to understand Woodrow Wilson.

And Woodrow Wilson.

And I remember all the calls.

Would you stop about Woodrow Wilson?

Talk about what's happening in today's world.

Right, right.

I am.

Just listen to Woodrow Wilson and you will see the parallels.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to do it again.

To understand the right, you're going to have to understand Andrew Jackson.

Andrew Jackson, it is my theory, I've never seen this written about anywhere else, but it is my theory that the republic as our founders knew it ended with Andrew Jackson.

We went from divine providence to manifest destiny.

We went from being friends with

the Indians to making the Indians

arch enemies and violating every treaty, violating our word.

We went from an office of honor with the president to an office where he was gobbling up the land, telling his friends, hey, I'm going to gobble up this land.

You might want to go out there, see how much you think it's worth so you can buy it.

He came in destitute and left a modern day billionaire.

He was the first one to do it.

And a bad guy.

And Benny

pretty recently said, one of the things I think they like about Jackson is he essentially created a different way.

Like he was like a new direction.

You know, he created that populist direction with something, but I mean, it was also politically something new.

And it was not, like, for example, in today's world, it's not conservatism, it's national populism, right?

Like, they're not even

Jackson was a populist.

He was our first populist.

That's what they're saying.

I mean, Bannon is outwardly simple.

Right.

Plus,

Jackson was one of the first to say that the system was rigged against him.

In his case, it was.

But I think Trump really relates to that because he felt like this was rigged against him.

And there's also something,

there's something about

the way he deals with the public.

Jackson went in and went into the White House and just opened the doors.

Now, up until really Lincoln, you could make an appointment.

You just go, I think it was like Tuesdays or Wednesdays, and you just waited online and you'd have five minutes with the president.

You know, that stopped after we started shooting them.

But,

you know, you could just go and make an appointment.

Anyone could get an appointment with the president.

Andrew Jackson said, I'm going to open up the White House to everybody.

And on his inauguration, he opened up the White House and it became so bad.

They were breaking chairs.

I mean, it was a ruckus party.

Everyone was hammered, right?

Right.

And you know how he got everybody out of the White House?

He got everybody out of.

Well, he didn't.

The White House staff.

Like at 4 o'clock in the morning, said, we got to get these people outside.

Free drinks for everybody outside.

Out on the lawn.

There's free drinks.

Everybody left.

There were no free drinks.

They locked locked the doors of the White House.

And he escaped through like the back window in that scenario.

Didn't he leave

the window?

There actually was no booze in the front yard.

There's no booze in the front yard.

That makes me upset.

Yeah, it was a lie.

He lied?

It was a lie.

Trump also yesterday said there's some very interesting items related to wiretapping that are going to come out in the next couple of weeks.

Oh, good.

Now, he has said that,

well, he didn't mean wiretapping, wiretapping.

They are back in the middle of the day.

And

But I kind of believe that.

I do too.

I mean,

he obviously does not have evidence of this, right?

But what he does,

the idea that they're holding him to a standard like 1940s wiretap, like what they meant is a wiretap of this specific, like if it's surveillance of his computers, I mean, he would still have a case.

He doesn't seem to have any evidence to support that case.

It's quite the opposite.

Yeah, I mean,

he has the.

The GOP yesterday came out and was like, there's nothing here.

Yeah, so they can't.

In his defense, he put wiretapping in quotes.

Yes, he did.

And it's Twitter.

You get 140 characters.

Right.

I mean,

I agree that he didn't mean wiretapping.

I don't think this is, he backpedals on a lot.

He's not backpedaling on this.

I agree, but I don't think, I mean, this is leading to a very dangerous place.

This deep state stuff.

We have to get into and we have to look at it and seriously look at it, see if there's any truth to it it or not, debunk it if it is fake, expose it if it is real.

I don't happen to believe it, but we have to take it seriously because this is going to divide us.

I'm telling you, in two years,

people will either believe the government is nothing but a shadow organization and there's no reason for anything, the whole thing has to be burned down.

because of a shadow organization, or they're going to believe those people are absolutely insane and they need to be silenced and stopped.

I mean, we're headed for trouble on this.

On the other side of his tweet, though, he did refer to Obama as sick.

So he can't really backtrack on that.

I have no problem with the backtracking on wiretapping, but he clearly did accuse Obama, and there's no evidence of that at all.

Yes.

And that's important to point out.

Yes.

What do you think, John, about the...

about deep state have you looked into it at all well i'm not an expert on it but the people who are making the claim i don't find very credible I think we know some of the names that we've talked about previously that are, you know, former conservative stalwarts.

My view on this is they need a boogeyman.

Donald Trump needs a viable boogeyman other than the media.

And Obama makes a perfect boogeyman for the conservative right, and especially in the conservative media industrial complex.

We all know, having been in the business, we're not that good at defense.

We're good at offense.

We're best.

And it's very difficult for us when we're all in power.

We got our alleged Republican president, Republican House, Republican Senate.

Who do we attack?

Obama is the ready-made boogeyman.

And if we can portray, not we, but I'm talking in general, the conservative media industrial complex, if we can portray Obama as still being in power in some strange way, that's a great boogeyman because it's ready-made and the base already hates him.

And, you know, it's basically mix and stir.

But you're creating, you're creating a situation where there is no exit from it.

If you can't, if you don't prove it and you don't, for instance, you know, you can't believe the CBO.

Okay, well, are you going to change the CBO?

Most likely no.

You know, I can't believe the job numbers.

Well, now you believe the job numbers.

He didn't change anything.

So if

you actually believe in deep state, then you need to present the evidence and you need to investigate and uncover.

Otherwise, it is truly just a conspiracy theory for power.

But Glenn, this isn't about facts and logic.

This has always been about emotion and politics.

I mean, facts and logic have to be a place.

They have no place in this.

I know.

Facts and logic?

But

they need to play a role in our everyday life.

And that's one reason why we wanted you on today.

Oh, I agree totally, but I don't think that's the world we live in, especially not with Trump.

Okay, so let's go into, we're going to take a quick break, and then I'm going to tell you why John is here.

He's going to make a really compelling case.

Whether it's true or not, I don't know.

He says he can back everything up

and he's lost his job because he's taking a stand because he says it's a moral stand.

I'm willing to lose everything on this.

That's quite a statement.

We'll go to him in just a second.

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We have John Ziegler in studio today.

There's been a couple of developments in the recent weeks regarding Jerry Sandusky, the Penn State University coach.

He was transferred from a maximum to a medium medium security prison and his son Jeffrey has just been charged with child sex abuse.

This is really controversial.

John Ziegler lost his radio gig because he would not let go of this

because he says it's a moral issue.

He says 100%

Jerry Sandusky is innocent.

The accusers are not truthful in their testimony.

Beyond a little controversial.

Well, you know, I don't know if you remember this, Glenn, but eight years ago we met for the first time and I was defending Sarah Palin.

Yes.

Not much has changed in the world since then, by the way.

And so now I figured, you know, once you've defended Sarah Palin, it's pretty easy to move on to Jerry Sandusky.

Look, I fully realize

the vast majority of people who have only followed this story over the last five and a half years via headlines.

This sounds crazy, but it's not.

Okay, we're going to get into this case.

I want you to listen carefully to this.

I'm not making a judgment.

I don't know.

I have not heard the case.

Patents do have and say it's fascinating.

This could turn your whole world upside down.

Let's listen to it and see if we can poke holes in it.

Next.

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host of the podcast World According to Zig on soundcloud.com, John Ziglar is in studio with us.

Jerry Sandusky is back in the news right now.

If you you don't remember the name, give me the less than a minute recap on Penn State.

In November 2011, Jerry Sandusky, former defensive coordinator for Penn State, a very famous coach, but had been retired for many years, was arrested on child molestation charges.

Joe Paterna was fired, the legendary football coach at Penn State

three or four days later, along with the president of Penn State, Graham Spaniards.

Sandusky was convicted.

Penn State paid out almost $100 million in settlements.

This week, two Penn State administrators pled guilty to a misdemeanor after the conspiracy charges after five and a half years were dropped.

Next week, Graham Spaniard, the former president of Penn State, will stand trial on these very same charges.

He is innocent.

He will not plead guilty unless something really bizarre happens and an innocent man's life is on the line.

But to me, Glenn, this story is much bigger than Penn State, much bigger than even Graham Spaniard's freedom or Joe Joe Paterno's legacy.

I have no connection to Penn State at all.

I stupidly got involved in this five and a half years ago because the story, to use a phrase that we now are all very familiar with, sounded immediately to me like fake news.

And as you guys know, we've done some stories together before.

I have a pretty good nose for this kind of thing.

And I have coached high school football in several different states.

I've covered college football, pro football.

I understand the culture.

I have no connection to Penn State.

In fact, I actually have disdain for for Penn State now after five and a half years of this.

But I also understand the way the news media works.

And I got involved in this just trying to find out what the heck the truth was, presuming that Jerry Zandowski was guilty as hell.

That was my presumption at the beginning of this.

But that the Joe Paterno angle just never made any sense because there was this idea that there was a cover-up that he had been told by an assistant coach, Mike McQuery, that Jerry had abused the boy sexually and Paterno did nothing and Penn State State just decided to pretend it never happened.

It made no sense for a hundred million reasons, but one of which was Sandusky was retired.

He wasn't even part of the program at that point.

And not to mention, it didn't fit with the culture of Penn State nor college football as I know it.

Well, as I got deeper and deeper into it, and I interviewed Sandusky, and it really didn't fit with the character of Joe Paterno.

Exactly.

I mean, Joe Paterno was a stellar coach.

He's a legend.

He's on and off the field.

He's the most winning coach coach in the history of college football, but also ran a stellar program, no hint of scandal, and a guy who was a squeaky clean, you know, 1950s kind of conservative Republican, by the way, friends of the Bush family.

Right, but

we oftentimes see people that are

that are living a double life, and you're like, oh, well, they can't be.

It was always the quiet one on the street that ended up having the heads in the refrigerator.

Well, I understand that.

And that's part, there's there's so many elements of the perfect storm here.

One of which is that this story breaks in Pennsylvania not long after the whole Catholic Church scandal.

Right.

And because of that, it sets a prism through which everybody, especially in the news media, they see this.

They see Paterno as the Pope.

They see the administrators as the cardinals.

They see Sandusky.

Oh, he's the pedophile priest.

And they see the Penn State football fans as, oh, these are the Catholic parishioners who love their football so much, their religion of football, that they're willing to look the other way and pretend that a pedophile didn't really exist.

That was a narrative that fit.

That narrative is

real in many cases.

People don't want to look at this stuff.

I understand that,

but that's what set this case up for a massive injustice.

So as I got involved more and more, and I was just looking for the truth, and I interviewed Sandusky not once, but twice in prison for six hours plus, went on the Today Show, not once, but twice.

The second time, Matt Lauer very nicely declared my career to be dead

three years ago this week.

But I figured, okay, you know, if you're going to die on a hill, this is a pretty good hill to die on.

And trust me, I've taken enough bullets to understand the reality of that.

What I realized was that the only way to make this case make any sense at all is that shockingly, the part of the case that no one took a look at, no one bothered to do the math on, the Jerry Sandusky element, is a myth.

That Jerry Sandusky is in fact, innocent, and it's not even close.

That's what's so amazing about this.

But we start a domino effect.

The Joe Paterno firing, and people who are not from Pennsylvania can't fully understand the psychological impact of the firing of Joe Paterno.

This was a nuclear explosion over this entire case.

It was like people's entire lives had been turned upside down.

Everything they thought they knew.

I mean, this was worse than the Trump election for liberals.

I mean,

everything is upside down.

And in reality,

to understand this case fully, you have to understand that the moment of Paterno's firing, all the incentives in this case get flipped upside down.

Everybody's incentives are now perverse.

All the white hats turn into black hats and the black hats turn into white hats.

And from that moment on, we have a domino effect of injustice.

I like to use the metaphor that this whole case is a painting that everyone looks at and goes, this makes no damn sense.

And I came along and said,

here's why.

I flipped it upside down and people go, oh my gosh.

Okay, so flip it upside down.

Here's what happens.

The real story of this is a classic case of when people

think that they are doing the right moral thing, stopping pedophilia or

injustice against children, and they become invested in in a myth.

I'll use this audience will fully understand the parallel to global warming, okay?

This is man-made global warming because we have a consensus

of science allegedly and because we are doing the right thing for humanity, you are a bad person

if you disagree, if you even question it.

You are a bad person.

Well, that's what happened in this case.

I'm the bad person.

I'm the bad person who actually said.

You're viewed not as saying, wait a minute, let's look for the truth.

You're looked upon as a guy who wants to let a pedophile get away.

Exactly.

Which is still the plan.

And so, why is it that I'm the guy?

Because I'm sure that's a lot of people.

The first thing I did when I saw you tweeting about this was check to see if you graduated from Penn State.

Right, right.

I went to Georgetown University.

Okay, that's number one.

Number two, I have zero financial motive at all.

My website, framingpaterno.com, takes no ads.

I've got hundreds of videos on YouTube, no ads.

I've purposely lost money on this case.

My career, as Lauer predicted, has been crap because of this.

And my wife is,

I don't know why she stuck with me through it all.

But I know I'm right.

And it's not close.

I can go through detail by detail as to why this happened the way that it did, but mostly it happened because the focus shifted at the beginning of the case away.

Think about this case as a mathematical equation, a complex mathematical equation.

One number times another number times another number.

Everyone thought the first number was something other than zero.

Well, I did the math and I said, wait a minute, the first number is zero, which means that the whole equation, you know, zero times anything, is still going to be zero.

And the thing about this, Glenn, which is really incredibly frustrating for me, I'm not the only guy that knows this.

Almost everybody on the inside of this story knows it, including the three administrators who were facing trial, two of whom pled guilty to a misdemeanor this week, the other Graham Spaniard who faces trial next week.

And people on the Penn State Board of Trustees know this, but everyone is afraid to talk about it.

There's never been a case where fear, cowardice, and stupidity reigned more supreme than this one because everyone's afraid of the news media.

And they are now like, trying to tell the news media the truth about this case is like trying to convince a five-year-old that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

They are completely and totally investigated.

So you're saying that the number, the reason why that number is zero is because the victim, victim number one,

is lying.

And that's, he, and it's important to point out, that's a great way to phrase it.

Victim number one is a guy by the name of Aaron Fisher.

He wrote a book.

I presume for my first two years of this investigation, he must be telling the truth because I was told child abuse victims never lie.

And, you know, he made himself known publicly, the only trial accuser that did so.

He did an interview with Chris Cuomo in 2020, which if you look at now on YouTube, you can tell he's not telling the truth because he doesn't act like a sex abuse victim at all and says some very suspicious things.

But I spent two years not even worrying about him.

I now have 12

people on the record, on audio.

I haven't released all of them at framingpaternal.com, but most of them.

12 people incredibly close to him.

I'm talking aunts, very close, buddies from the time period of the allegation, parents of the buddies of the time period of the allegation, girlfriends, people who sponsored a rally on his behalf when his book came out, 12 people against their own self-interest who have all said they're positive he's lying.

Positive.

I've been his mom, his mom, who the if you believe his story, His story is preposterous and it's important to point out, he's the only accuser in this case for two and a half years.

He's the only one.

And during a grand jury investigation, his mom, the story goes, this is under her watch.

He goes to Jerry Sandowski as a 12 to 14 year old.

One of the things, misperceptions about this case is somehow these were six, seven, eight year old boys.

No, these were all 12, 13, 14 year old boys, which Jerry is a coach.

This is when kids become athletes.

This is why he took an interest in that age kid.

He's a very naive, I think stupid in a lot of ways, guy who's very religious and who never dreamed that anybody was going to think that this was somehow nefarious.

He devoted his life to kids.

The mom, who under his her watch, he gets abused by his trial testimony a hundred times, a hundred times as a 13, 14 year old.

By the way, while he's dating girls and having sex with them, according to his buddies, she is now driving a

Mercedes, a Jaguar, a Cadillac Escalade, and living in a giant house.

Now, how in the world any mother could possibly have

the lack of guilt to drive those cars when it's money that was gotten because you were such a bad mom.

You kept feeding your son to a horrendous pedophile is beyond me.

But that's one very tiny tip of this entire humongous iceberg.

The reason that this is so important is if he's lying, and I know that he is,

he's what they use to build the rest of the case.

This became whisper down the lane.

This becomes the lock nest monster.

Nobody thought there was a lock nest monster until people started saying there was a lock nest monster.

Now all of a sudden everyone's trying to get the damn lock nest monster.

Well, there is no lock nest monster in real life, and there's no lock nest monster in this story.

And there's no evidence where there should be OJ Simpson-like evidence, Glenn.

We're five and a half years into this thing, multiple investigations, an alleged cover-up that disintegrates, and yet there's nothing,

nothing other than testimony of people who were paid millions of dollars.

The settlement process was a sham.

I have a fake accuser who went to the number one lawyer in this case in a sting operation.

We have incredibly damning audio.

I want to go there at the top of the hour.

I want to take you to the sting operation because you've heard the audio tapes of the sting operation, and we can't play them yet because of, I guess, legal maneuvering.

Well, you don't want to go to jail for me, right?

No, I don't.

And and so but um stu has heard the audio tape and uh if it is as described i have not heard it it's pretty remarkable i think it's important too because you you mentioned accuser one technically i but i think people think in their head accuser one is the guy is the kid in the shower that mike mcquiry saw He says he saw this happen and he can he testified to actually visually seeing the assault go on.

Right.

And that's the one I think sticks in because there's what, 10 total?

Let's talk about let's talk about that.

That's the big one, though.

You got to talk about that.

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We've John Ziggler, who says Sandusky and this whole thing is a lie.

We have McQuery,

a trusted guy, says, testified, I saw him in the shower with a young man.

He did it at the time.

He did at the time, too.

He reported something at the time.

Yes, right.

Except that when this becomes an issue 10 years later, legally, McQuery gets the date wrong.

He gets the month wrong.

He gets the year wrong of this horrific, not forgettable event, which is immediately suspicious.

But more importantly than that, we know who the boy in the shower that he allegedly saw was...

We didn't know that.

We didn't know that at the time, which is incredibly important.

Had we known then what we know now, I think this whole story changes because the boy who's publicly known in public records as Alan Myers, the guy who Penn State paid $3 million for being that boy, never testifies at trial.

The media is shockingly uninterested in the fact that the victim of the most famous case of child molestation in the history of this country never testified.

Why didn't he testify?

Because he had made multiple statements, including in letters to the editor and local newspapers, defending Jerry Sandusky after the original story of this broke in the local newspaper.

And he has an incredibly long history after this event with Jerry Sandusky, which is impossible for someone who had been abused in a shower and has made numerous statements saying, Jerry Sandusky never abused me.

Mike McQuery is not telling the truth.

Jerry's the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

But then after the crap hits the fan and the world changes and Joe Paterno is fired and the polls switch, he gets paid $3 million by Penn State and that portion of the case is closed off, except for people like me stupid enough to look into it.

Wow.

All right.

I want to hear about the sting for the lawyer.

You're still in the midst of a sting operation.

And America, you need to hear this.

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Lots of questions.

I'm sure you have them too.

John Ziegler joins us again next.

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The Paterno Sandusky Penn State scandal.

Maybe, maybe, maybe, perhaps we should take another look at this.

John Ziegler is joining us now.

He's been working on this case for about five years, and he says positively, absolutely, we have this case wrong.

and an injustice that he's lost his career over

and

struggles as a family because of,

he happily is doing it because he says this is a true injustice that has to be set straight.

Whether or not it is, I'm not sure, but he's making a compelling case.

We go into

his sting operation and some more evidence that Sandusky is innocent and this whole case is wrong

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And John will be with us here for the next half hour, and then we'll take your phone calls on this at the top of next hour.

And maybe John will hang around and answer some of the questions and get some of the pushback.

But let's

you say that this entire case is

bogus and it is

it's based on what quite honestly what I'm feeling when I'm listening to you I because

child abuse is very near and dear to my heart sure and it is one of those things that even if you don't have experiences or you're not involved in some of the things I am

that

it still is near and dear to your heart because nobody wants to see a child abuser go free.

Of course.

And as I'm listening to you, I'm I'm thinking to myself, well, yeah, but that's what, you know, a child abuse victim would

or could behave in this way.

Deny it,

try to carry on in a different way, defend the defenseless, if you will,

and

then when all is said and done, break and say, okay, all right, I just have to face it and get out.

And so it feels as though it's almost wrong.

Right.

Because

I want to believe I do not want a child abuser loose.

Right.

And I don't want to re-victimize kids.

Right.

And Glenn, you've just put your finger, as you often do, on the why.

On the root of the problem.

Right.

That was the foundation.

for why this injustice was allowed to happen.

Gone from in the 60s not believing kids, believing the adults, to now believing to a point to where there is no

actual testimony.

In the original case, there were no victims that testified, including the number one victim.

Well,

all there was was testimony of people who ended up making millions of dollars, but there was no evidence.

Right.

I mean, and by the way, there should be massive amounts of evidence.

In other cases that are similar, there's actual evidence other than

what kind of evidence.

Well, first of all, the most stunning thing is not a shred of pornography.

Please someone out there find me another case of a serial pedophile in this day and age, a guy who I know personally is technologically a dunce, is able to scrub every ounce of pornography off of their computers' emails.

Ironically, there was pornography found in this case.

It wasn't on Jerry Sandusky.

It was on the emails of the prosecutors and the investigators, which created quite a bit of controversy and a scandal in Pennsylvania.

None on Sandusky.

There's not one of these accusers who says in his first version of the story anything close to an accusation.

They all deny it.

All their actions indicate that they deny it.

None of them want to be public, except victim number one.

There's no logic to this case.

There's no evidence to it.

It's all emotion and it's all about Joe Paterno.

So the one thing that seems to have happened is that something weird occurred in the shower with Sandusky and this and this 14-year-old boy.

I agree with that.

Yes.

That they were rough housing in the shower or towel slapping or

which we all think is really weird.

And I understand that.

I get it.

I get that it's weird.

But he didn't molest him.

I'm positive of it.

All you have to do is ask the kid or look at the kid.

You can't ask him now because he got paid $3 million.

But if you look at his prior statements, including on the day Joe Paterna was fired, he made it clear.

I have photographs I've shown all you guys of Jerry Sandusky and this guy, Alan Myers, together many years later, including at Alan Myers' wedding in his Marine uniform, taking a photograph with Jerry Sandusky, a photo that was released as part of Jerry Sandusky's resignation letter from his charity, which, by the way, if he's a criminal mastermind, is the dumbest thing in the history of the world.

Yeah, they continued to have a relationship throughout much of his life.

Not just a relationship, they were father-son, which is part of why people don't understand that, you know, everyone goes, well, that was really weird in the shower.

In Jerry's mind, in Jerry's mind, Alan was his son.

Jerry doesn't have any biological children.

He had five adopted children or six adopted children and many foster children.

And in his mind, this particular guy, Alan Myers, was a son.

However, for those of us with sons, we don't carry on in the shower with.

Well, but hold on a second.

Hold on.

You have to remember, these acts occur before the Catholic Church scandal.

That's incredibly important.

They occur before the Catholic Church scandal, but they come out publicly after.

Snapping towels at each other.

If you're both football and everybody's showering together, like I don't shower with my son, I wouldn't shower with my son.

But

in a locker room, you do shower and each other.

But this is 2001.

And

if you're snapping towels at each other, that is father and son kind of behavior.

This is a different era.

2001 in State College, Pennsylvania is a different place than 2017.

And I get why people are weirded out by it.

I'm not defending it.

I'm just telling you what happened okay and and and I'm telling you that there's no evidence and just from Alan Myers himself it's impossible so who's the guy that I all I can think of is Mike McQuery so Mike McQuery says he reports this and then when it is comes out in the news that there was something that was going on that he was raping he writes to the prosecution and says you twisted my words none of this that's not what I said well he says quote you twisted my words And you would think that's that email came out in Mike McQuery's own civil trial, which occurred a few months ago, where McQuery got paid several million dollars.

I think it's in the double digits, a million dollars now, which is completely absurd because at best, at best, if Mike McQuiry is telling the truth now, here's what Mike McQuery did.

He's a coward who allowed Jerry Sandusky to abuse a young boy with doing nothing, not identifying it, the boy not stopping the situation.

He just leaves in a panic and then communicates to Penn State very poorly what happens.

That's the best case scenario from a query.

But you would think that that email might get someone in the media to go, wow, that's odd.

We created a whole firestorm based upon what this grand jury presentment said in November of 2011.

And the guy whose words were at the center of it say they were twisted.

Gee, maybe we should revisit that.

But no, not the media.

Tell me about the lawyers that are involved.

You're doing a sting operation on them.

Well, yeah, there's the lawyers, you're key.

This whole case has been the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of Pennsylvania from the taxpayers to lawyers and local sports car dealerships because all of the accusers have multiple fancy sports cars, which people can decide for themselves what the meaning of that is.

But as far as the lawyers are concerned, there was a very few number of lawyers who had a huge number of accusers.

One in particular was key to this case and a fake, a purposely fake accuser, a person who knew Jerry Sandowski for his whole life, attended the trial, knew that Jerry was innocent,

decided to go to this particular lawyer and see what would happen if he told a fake story.

Wired?

He recorded it.

Are we using Donald Trump's definition of wired?

Some way or another it was recorded.

They were recorded and Stu has heard some of the recordings and they are fascinating.

And so this guy came and

gave a story.

He changed the story several times.

The lawyer changed it for him,

much to the shock of the accuser.

He was told what his story was and it was not a story.

And the reason why it was changed is because the original story, which I had nothing to do with, because I purposely wanted this to be organic and I didn't want to go to jail in case something weird happened.

You know, I was just someone who was a bystander in this and was given the tapes after it happened.

But the original story was not conducive to Penn State paying a settlement.

And interestingly enough, interestingly enough, the story is...

Now the story is conducive to that, no doubt.

Yes, it is.

It's suddenly very conducive to that.

And this is $100 million we're talking about that Penn State gave away.

And this is, there are numerous stories within the settlements that are clearly and totally bogus.

And members of the current Penn State Board of Trustees know this.

They know this as firmly as I know the whole case is bogus.

$100 million.

$100 million.

You put $100 million in front of poor people in central Pennsylvania and look out.

I'm thinking about saying something.

There was no vetting in this.

All you needed to do to get a settlement was to be a member of the Second Mile Charity,

claim that it happened on Penn State property or Penn State had some knowledge of it, and be under the age of 30 years old, which is the statute of limitations of Pennsylvania.

If those three things occurred, bam, you got a settlement.

Now, this is the reason why this is important, and I told this to you guys in our last interview, is last year there was a huge amount of publicity surrounding these 1971 and 76 accusations against Joe Paterno.

Well, why did those two accusers, 71 and 76, accuse Joe Paterno?

Because the media went bat crap crazy over.

It's very understandable if you use your noggin.

Jerry Sandowski's charity starts in 1977.

If you're accusing as a teenager in 71 and 76, you're way outside the statute of limitations.

You now have two strikes against you.

Third strike, you better bring it.

And the only way to bring it with regard to Penn State settlement is, you told Joe Paterno.

So it's not a coincidence that the only two that claim that they ever say anything to Joe Paterno happened to be the two guys who were

the oldest and the ones who were not eligible for a settlement because of their age and because of the fact that it happened before the second mile charity ever existed.

That's not a coincidence.

It's just like it's going back and trying to remember this case.

You know, one of the things that stands out to me was the interview that Sandusky did.

Right.

With Bob Costas.

And that, I mean, I remember

horrendous, horrendous.

And you know what it was born out of?

It was born out of the fact that they were so confident that they had Alan Myers the kid in the McQuery episode on on their side having given a statement saying nothing ever happened that Joe Amendola the attorney delusionally thought well Bob Costas seems like he's going to be fair let's do this by the way of the many mainstream media types who follow my work carefully Bob Costas is at the top of the list I mean, I communicate with Bob on a fairly regular basis.

And Bob, I don't want to speak for Bob, but Bob was the guy that did the interview.

And Bob is still exceedingly interested

in what really happened.

Because I remember playing the interview back in 11 or 12, whenever that was, and we were pretty convinced that Sandusky was guilty at that point.

It was such a bad answer.

Because

he was asked if he was attracted to young boys, and he said,

sexually attracted.

I mean, I like young people.

Right.

I mean, it sounded creepy.

Right.

It was such a bad answer the worst it was if you're innocent actually think about it though if because think about what was being alleged here if i'm asked that question i'm like no of course you are good golly no of course not of course of course that is but if you if what's being alleged here is that jerry sandusky was a pedophile for 30 or 40 years and involved in a massive cover-up of this you don't think that that person has that answer ready to go that is completely consistent with who i've now learned jerry sandusky is

a dope who is completely shocked.

Completely shocked that anybody could even possibly believe this, who's a terrible talker.

And by the way, that's the way he talks.

You can ask him, What time is it, Jerry?

And he goes, Well, what time is it?

I don't know.

Let me check two or three watches and I'll get back to you.

I mean, that's the way he is.

If you listen to my interviews with him on YouTube, there's numerous episodes of this.

It drives his wife, Dottie, crazy.

This is who he is.

Jerry Sandusky was a naive dolt.

Has his wife stuck with him?

100%.

She drives.

She drives until recently when he got transferred to prison, she drives seven hours back and forth each week to visit him in prison.

And she is not.

She is not delusional.

I appeared on the Today Show with an hour-long interview with Matt Lauer with her.

She and I don't even like each other because she hangs up on me when I curse.

This is the church lady we're talking about.

And yet she's the one who's accused of allowing boys to be raped in her basement 12 feet from where she's baking cookies.

It's insane.

I remember that now.

She was making a bad break.

They were downstairs.

She was upstairs.

All right,

I got to take a break, but there is a Trump connection to this.

Trump is weird.

Trump is

this case.

And John believes that this case actually

played a role in his tactics during the election.

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I want to tear this open because if this is true.

There's a guy languishing in prison who shouldn't be.

Right.

And if it's not true, good.

I want him in prison forever.

By the way, it's important important for my credibility I came to this conclusion against my own self-interest and trying to prove myself wrong and to this day I will pay money please prove me wrong please because I want this off my back This has been

you've you've lost your job because of this.

This has been the worst thing that's ever happened in my life.

And I've had a, I've been in radio.

I've had a lot of bad things happen.

I mean, so you were.

Please, please take this burden away.

But I've, Glenn, I've offered the number one victim in this case $10,000 to take a lie detector test.

His mom agreed, and then suddenly the next day, he backed out.

I've offered numerous money to charity, to numerous people to debate me on this.

No one will do it.

Please prove.

I would have a party tonight if someone could prove me wrong.

I know this feeling.

I know this feeling.

And that's why, this is why this interests me,

because it goes against everything I want to believe.

Of course.

And it interests me because

i know you i know

i've seen this feeling before and there's no reason for believing in me on on things no reason for you to be this passionate about right who will step in front of the train and say something and the answer is no one because there's too much to lose it's a lot it's unpopular it's a it's a lot like trump winning the republican nomination Same same dynamics, same fear and cowardice, no one wanting to get in front of that runaway freight train.

And as you've already alluded to, I met Trump about this story very briefly backstage at the Today Show.

And Trump had tweeted a couple of times favorably to Joe Paterno, which had raised eyebrows.

And so I go up to Trump and I say, you know, I just want to thank you for your support of Joe Paterno.

Now, you would think that a normal human being, when they learn that I've just been on the Today Show and I know everything about the case, a normal human being would go, well, tell me about the case.

Well, Trump's not a normal human being.

All he talked to me about was how much Pennsylvanians love him because of this.

And I'm thinking, that's really odd.

Well, this was early 2014.

I now am positive that in retrospect, he was already thinking about running for president.

He was thinking about the presidential primary in Pennsylvania.

And Pennsylvania, of course, ends up winning him the presidency.

And his, and he mentioned this during the campaign, his support for Joe Paterno in Pennsylvania.

It's not a coincidence, but it told me a lot about Donald Trump.

And you got one of the famous Trump-signed pieces of paper sent to you, which is.

You can see it at framingpaterno.com.

I texted you on my Twitter feed.

Yeah, it says, thanks, thanks.

Keep up the good work for just a good fight for justice.

Donald Trump.

Donald Trump signed it.

Nice.

I don't know if that helps or hurts your case.

I don't know.

I'm not a conspiracy nut, Donald, like you are.

That cannot hurt to have the president of the United States

on your side.

Well,

it can't hurt.

We have to take a break.

We're going to do our serial part three: The Truth About Communism.

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in the last episode we learned that stalin's horrific intentional starvation of the ukrainian people called the holodomor the mass starvation which claimed between seven and ten million people in just one year.

It's amazing that such an atrocity is largely hidden from our textbooks and absent from historical conversations.

Unlike Stalin's hideous cleansing, the carnage of another mass murderer lie within our periphery at all times.

Pop culture has embraced this genocidal dictator, so much so that you actually see Jay Guevara's face everywhere, as the editor-in-chief of Reason.com, Nick Gillespie, explains.

There is the famous t-shirt.

It is so famous, in fact, that you can buy t-shirts that have images of the t-shirt on it.

Che's image, it sells beer, it sells lighters, it sells belt buckles, it sells baby onesies.

But is that who Che really was?

One of the things that is fascinating about the cult of Che is that it effectively thrives in the absence of any kind of historical understanding.

For example, look around at an anti-war rally and and you'll probably see Che.

Che was a

self-taught revolutionary who was instrumental in Castro's takeover of Cuba.

He became known as the butcher of La Cabana prison in revolutionary Cuba, where he personally oversaw the execution of anywhere from 175 to several hundred people.

He's implicated in thousands of deaths that come after that.

Author of Exposing the Real Che Cavera, Umberto Fantova, explains, 14,000 men and boys were executed in Cuba during the 1960s.

He said that his dream was to become a killing machine.

He said to his revolutionary comrades, if they weren't sure of someone's loyalty, if in doubt, kill him.

These are the realities that we need to understand about Che.

You could probably call him clinically a sadist.

When you read his diaries, he goes into particular detail about when he himself shoots people in the head.

But it goes beyond war.

Go to a rock concert and you're sure to see Che.

This is a man who tried to ban free expression, particularly musical expression such as rock music and jazz music because he thought it was imperialist.

He was the Caribbean equivalent of the Taliban.

He enforced a single moralistic viewpoint and if you didn't agree with him, you would be killed.

One of my favorite is Carlos Santana.

At the 2005 Oscars, naturally, the Motorcycle Motorcycle Diaries won an Oscar, and Carlos Santana went there to play the theme song for it.

Well, he was wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt.

Carlos Santana was showing off the emblem of a regime that made it a criminal offense to listen to Carlo Santana music.

But surely Che was a progressive and uniting force on race, right?

He says, the Negro is lazy and indolent and spends all of his money on frivolities and booze whereas the European is intelligent and forward-looking.

This is from his own diaries, yet we've got Jesse Jackson down there.

Viva Che.

We've got Jay-Z with a song with the lyrics, I'm just like Cheguevara with a bling on.

I'm like Chega Barrett with bling on, I'm complex.

Maybe he is complex.

Either that or this guy doesn't know that this guy would have thought that this guy was nothing but a frivolous lazy drunk just because of the color of his skin.

So what's wrong with wearing the t-shirt of a war-mongering, bloodthirsty racist?

Well, what if he was also a terrorist too?

To his home, to his places of work, to his places of recreation.

We will attack the enemy wherever he lives.

Folks, this was written in 1966.

He preempted al-Qaeda by 30, 40 years.

Let's see if you can tell the difference.

Which quote is from Che and which one is from Osama bin Laden?

Who said that if he had nuclear weapons, he would use them against the very heart of America, including New York City?

And who said the U.S.

is a great enemy of mankind?

Against those hyenas, there is no option but extermination.

Yeah, it was kind of unfair.

It was a trick question.

Both of those quotes are from Che.

Luckily, his attempts at killing Americans on our soil were about as effective as his attempts to ignite revolution around the world.

We look 50 years into the future, and there are only two unapologetic communist regimes, North Korea and Cuba.

If they had enough nutrition in order to run out of North Korea, they would do that.

They're starving there.

In Cuba, we see time and again people who are so desperate to get off that island hellhole that that they will swim through shark-infested waters.

Che was the vanguard of the revolution.

He was going to bring communism everywhere around the world.

In this sense, Che was an absolute, abject failure, and it's a damn good thing that he was.

This is Barbara's grandfather, Colonel Cornelio Rojas.

He was a freedom fighter way before Batista came into power.

He was a descendant of patriots.

His father was a general, and his grandfather was also a general brigadier that fought for the Cuba's War of Independence against Spain.

One day, her grandfather was just gone.

When Fidel Castro and Chegabara arrived in Havana, it was January 59, and that's precisely when my grandfather disappeared.

My family had no idea where he was.

All of a sudden, my family was in the living room watching television, and they see my grandfather.

walking.

They were extremely happy to see him.

And

then they realized that he was walking towards the wall.

He started screaming, and my grandmother collapsed.

They realized that he's going to be executed when they asked him if he wanted to be blindfolded.

And he said no.

And he said,

there you have the revolution.

Take care of it.

He asked if he could give the firing orders.

And he says, aim fire.

He died like a hero.

And he was executed by cowards.

There was no trial whatsoever.

She Guevara did not allow a trial.

He was taken prisoner at the beginning of January and executed January 7th.

That is something that I will never forget.

There is not one day in my life that I don't think about it.

This is the real legacy of Che.

It's murder, destruction, and broken families.

So what can we do to correct the lies?

Maybe it's time to make the truth a bit more fashionable.

In the next episode, we learn the truth of one of the most prolific communist killers in history: the chairman, Mao Zedong.

Tomorrow in the Glenbeck program, in chapter 4 of the truth about communism, you'll learn about the great helmsman and why he wasn't great at all.

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To me, this is why

what we're going through is so frightening because nobody knows what communism is.

Nobody knows what Marxism is.

We're not talking about it.

We're not teaching our kids.

There is more in these cereals than your kids will learn in K through 12 about communism.

I don't think there's any doubt about that.

There is no doubt about that.

They think, you know, as we presented there, they think Che is some cultural phenomenon they think he's a cool looking

freedom teacher freedom fighter

he is he is he is a guy knew the brutality of that guy he killed thousands of homosexuals he killed yeah he's a homosexual

yeah it happens because our kids are ignorant because we took our eye off the ball and the progressive educational system uh wants to erase communism and make communism into something good.

It is absolutely evil.

More than that, they've made it actually hip.

Yeah, and I have banned the word evil from my lexicon when I am talking about people or events, but I can clearly say communism is evil.

Marxism is evil.

It has led to millions and millions of dead.

Just 100 million in the last century.

That's it.

It is,

and it is every time it's repackaged and it's warm and fuzzy.

It never is.

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We have John Ziegler with us.

He's been talking about the Penn State scandal in a completely different way.

And Anthony Labrano is on our phone line.

He is a board member at Penn State.

Anthony?

Yes, I am a trustee at Penn State.

What are you thinking about what you're hearing from John Ziegler today?

Well, first, I want to acknowledge John's efforts over the last five years.

He's had a tough road to hope.

I can tell you this, I've said this very publicly.

Penn State, our board has approved $93 million in settlements to 33 claimants.

The first round of those settlements,

we paid $60 million to, I think, 26 individuals.

I voted for that settlement.

But I learned later that some of the representations made to us were untrue.

And so when we voted again on the second round of settlements, I this time demanded information that hadn't been provided to me originally and voted against the settlements.

I have some real concerns, no question about it.

I have concerns with respect to the process.

There was little to no vetting of these claimants.

I know the university is going to take exception to that, but the fact of the matter is our own insurer fought us.

And if you look at the documents that are public in that litigation,

they always do.

They just want to settle.

Insurance companies just want to settle.

Well, no, their claims were that the amounts that we settled were higher than we should have settled to begin with.

Oh, wow.

We hired the gentleman who was involved in the settlements of the World Trade Center, Feinberg, and his partner, Rosen,

and they came up with a process.

And ostensibly, Glenn, that process was to pay, not to push back.

But

I've lost a great deal of respect for

our justice system.

It doesn't seem to be particularly just.

And because this is such a politically charged topic, as you heard with your guests today,

it pocks on you, a curse on you and your family if you suggest that someone has has not told the truth.

And

I have some real concerns.

Do you think, Anthony, that this is

this has the potential of being remembered a little like

the McCarthy hearings or the the Red scare that

we're going to look back on this and just see people screaming

you know, molestation and destroying innocent people in their wake?

You know, I don't know that it would be that extreme, but I think what we will look back and remember this period for is truly a rush to judgment, a lack of real leadership and courage instead of stopping the train.

John believes that Sandusky is innocent.

Do you?

I'm not going to make a statement with respect to his guilt or innocence, but I will say that I'm pleased that

he's been given three more hearings under the law in Pennsylvania to prove that he deserves another trial.

I personally think he should get another trial.

I do not think he was adequately prepared for trial the first time.

You know, the fact is that he was tried and in jail within

six months, and yet the three administrators only go to trial now, one of them next week.

Wow.

Almost six years later, Black.

Anthony, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Anthony Lubrano, trustee on on the board of Penn State.

Back with your phone calls, your thoughts, and John Ziegler.

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

We have John Ziegler in with us who does a podcast on SoundCloud called The World According to Zig.

He also writes for Mediight.

He's a friend of the program.

And a guy who is truly tortured.

He is a guy who doesn't want to believe something, doesn't want to be the standard-bearer of this, but believes that a true injustice has been done to Jerry Sandusky and to the people of Pennsylvania through the Penn State scandal.

He's been with us for the last couple of hours making a pretty compelling case.

We just had one of the Board of Trustee members on from Penn State who said, Thank God for John making this case because something is wrong.

We have a little more information and your phone calls.

We start there and cover so much more beginning right now.

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I remember

I was not up

and didn't follow.

I was in the middle of the George Soros stuff

when the Penn State

scandal happened.

But I remember, and I'm also not a sports fan, and I remember everybody on the team saying, this is incredible.

No, no, no, no, no, this can't be.

This guy's one of the greatest guys ever.

Then we saw him or heard him do a Bob Costas interview.

And we immediately thought,

that's not the way I would answer that.

And I know how I feel about young men.

So I think this guy's guilty of sin.

Remember this moment.

Are you a pedophile?

No.

Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?

Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?

Sexually attracted.

You know, I enjoy young people.

I

love to be around them.

But no, I'm not sexually attractive.

All of us would have immediately went, no, of course not.

I like to be around kids, but I'm not sexually.

And all of us immediately went, that sounds guilty.

John is here.

He's laid out a case, has a whole case, and you can go back and listen to it on the podcast.

We've spent the last two hours kind of making it.

Why did he answer that way?

Well, it's a great question.

Ironically, you know, I presume that Jerry Sandusky was guilty as hell when the story broke.

That was the first moment that I thought maybe he's innocent, even though I knew because it was such a bad answer that a trained pedophile had gotten away with this for so long, couldn't possibly have given that answer.

But there's another element to this, though, that's also important.

And I'm glad that you guys played the first part of that.

Are you a pedophile?

No.

No.

In his mind,

he's already put that aside.

You've met with him in prison for six hours.

For six hours.

Alone.

Well, and with his wife the second time.

Did he try anything?

He just showered with him.

That's the question.

But you are absolutely convinced he is innocent.

100%, and it's not even close.

And I realize it sounds insane.

This is not a conspiracy theory.

I despise conspiracy theories.

I think everybody's guilty.

I think humanity stinks.

After all, I've worked in radio for a long time, so I know firsthand how bad humans are.

You think this is just the new American dream is being able to sue somebody with a lot of money, i.e.

Penn State?

That's part, that's a, that was part of the perfect storm here.

There are so many elements to the perfect storm of this case.

But this is something, as you've already alluded to, Glenn, I don't want to believe this.

All right.

I didn't want this.

I don't even like Jerry.

I mean, Jerry's a goofball.

He's a weirdo.

He's adult,

but he's not a pedophile.

And he's incredibly naive,

and

he's innocent.

And it's obvious if you look at the facts of the case,

that's the most amazing part.

It's not close.

Rick in California has been listening, and he has, I think, the number one question.

Sure, I want to hear it.

Go ahead, Rick.

Hi, guys.

Glenn, we've been watching you for a long time.

Thank you.

We appreciate all you do, and we appreciate all the guys, especially you, Jeffy.

Oh, no.

You just lost all credibility.

All right, right, go ahead.

We'll let you ask your question.

Of all the times

to try to call in on the show, and this is when I get through, and I'm a former Pennsylvania guy.

I grew up there.

And, John, you know, so this is confirmation bias, John.

I want to believe you.

But

the segment, Glenn, that you just shared almost addresses this maybe to some degree.

But why is Sandusky not jumping up and down?

If it were me,

if I were in his shoes, and I don't even know what the heck that means, but if I were in his shoes, I can't imagine that I wouldn't be cursing the person out who even mentioned that to me if I accused him.

And especially if I'm in jail, I would be screaming innocence.

Exactly.

I don't understand.

So I'm just curious, John, you know, what's your thought?

Yeah, he's we maybe he's weird.

If he's that weird, what's he doing being a football coach?

But if he's that odd,

why is he not jumping up and down?

And that last segment segment, Glenn just played.

I mean, you have no idea.

It's a great question, and I want to address it because this was a big issue for me.

Because in my mind, I'm thinking, if this was me, I would be going bananas, all right?

There's a couple of things.

First of all,

people don't understand, and you've got to put yourself in his position.

Jerry is so naive.

Thanks, Rick.

Jerry is so naive that a week before the trial starts, he goes to his attorney and says, Can't I just meet with these guys and correct this misunderstanding?

He loved these guys.

So in order to defend himself, he would have had to have gone on a search and destroy mission for guys that he loved, who he did not think it was possible were going to betray him to the extent that they were.

He thought to the moment of conviction,

Something was going to happen to fix this and to prove this.

The second time I interviewed him in prison with his wife there, I asked what I thought was the most important question.

Because I had been struggling with this.

Why is there not more blow fight back?

Why, why, you know, why exactly is the caller is questioning?

And I said, Jerry, when was the first moment, first moment, you thought this might not work out okay?

Now, if you're guilty, There are a thousand moments in this story.

This was a very long investigation before we ever went to trial.

If you're guilty, there's a thousand moments where you go, well, you know,

If you're innocent and you're a strict God guy,

you don't think until the hammer comes down.

Bingo.

That's what he said.

So

they thought God was going to save them and Jerry, Jerry, in chains, unable to even scratch his cheek, tears coming down his face, and he's not a crier.

says, it was the moment of the verdicts.

When I heard the moment of the verdicts, and then I turned to his wife, more tears, she says exactly the same thing.

They thought God was going to save them.

And then by the time I would think so too.

I mean, if I would take

a defense,

no, no, he did put it.

See, that's what the,

there was a defense, and part of the reason he didn't testify at trial is that

very much against the media narrative, and it's important to point out, there's no cameras in the courtroom in Pennsylvania.

So the news media has a stranglehold over the narrative.

All right.

In the real world, the trial went very well for the defense.

The media never told you that because that's not the story they wanted.

But they thought this was a normal case.

And they thought, well, we don't need to put you on because they haven't proven anything.

They didn't realize we're in la-la land on this one.

This is about emotion and politics and money.

There is no critical thinking anymore.

No.

That people do not know how to critically think anymore.

Let me go to Rick in Maryland.

He's a retired detective.

Hello, Rick.

Go ahead.

Hey, Glenn.

Good to speak with you.

I do appreciate all this work that John's put into this case, but as a retired detective, I want to speak up on behalf of these victims because a lot of the things that he was speaking with you about, you know, could a victim

you know, be cooking upstairs?

I mean, the wife and this happened.

Sure.

And the fact that that occurred, I mean, that that to me you know he's using these and the recantation phenomenon as a as part of the basis of unbelief and having investigated lots of lots of hundreds of cases and interviewed thousands of victims the whole grooming process the secrecy the recantation phenomenon the guilt associated with these young boys

fear generally they're not very trustworthy they become liars and thieves and there's just a phenomenon that occurs that I want him to take into account.

Right.

And I kind of hit that with you, John, earlier, but I think Rick expresses it much clearer.

And from a detective point of view, there's a lot going on that you got to give

wide birth.

I get it, and I did for a long time.

I presume that this premise that

this detective is talking about is universal.

And that's why I presumed Sandowski to be guilty for the first two years of my investigation where I was focused on my website is framingpaterno.com.

It had nothing to do with Jerry Sandoski at the beginning.

I thought Joe Paterno had clearly gotten a raw deal.

But here's what the detective is articulating in much the same way that you did earlier is the foundation on which this injustice was built because everyone has accepted now a series of rules for evaluating these stories, which makes it impossible to defend yourself.

And once Joe Paterno is fired, see, again, that's the key moment in this whole thing.

It's why we perceive the Costas interview the way that we did.

That happened a week before the Costas interview.

Joe Paterno firing.

So with the Paterno firing, you're now presuming he has to be guilty.

And everyone has got the pitchforks and the torches out.

And when you look at each of these individual stories, I'm not talking about little inconsistencies.

I'm talking about massive, huge credibility problems.

Give me one.

There's so many, but since we've mentioned, he mentioned

the man who claims to have been raped in the basement while Dottie was upstairs baking cookies.

Matt Lauer was in that basement.

Matt Lauer was like, seriously?

I mean, we're like from here to me to you, Glenn, with no installation and the kids supposedly screaming.

But here's the biggest problem.

According to him, he was there the same weekends for several years as victim number one, Aaron Fisher, which is, first of all, logistically impossible, but they don't know each other.

They've never met.

The dates aren't possible because they're doubling down on the same time period.

Not to mention, he comes forward after the paternal firing.

Everyone who comes forward after the paternal firing knows Fort Knox is open.

Here's the key.

So what was what?

Because there's what 10

alleged victims, right?

At trial.

How many came after that?

At trial, this is a great question because this gets manipulated very badly by the media.

Everyone always says 10.

No, no, no, no.

At trial, there were eight people who testified, six of whom came forward before Paterno's firing.

Of those six, only two alleged actual sex acts of any sort.

I'm not talking about Bill Clinton definition of sex.

I'm talking about any definition of sex, period.

Okay, so wait, what did the other four testify?

The grooming acts.

Like what?

Like, you know, he took a shower with me and rubbed soap on me or, you know,

something like that.

And so, and by the way, four of those six are friends.

And oh, by the way, the Pulitzer Prize winning reporter on this case, Sarah Gannum, now at CNN, had texted the mom of one of those four saying they're going to close the case unless we find find more accusers.

And then suddenly, shockingly, three of his buddies show up as accusers.

So four of the six are all in the same photograph in Jerry Sandusky's book.

Now, who puts that?

Who puts a photograph of themselves with four of their victims in their book called Touched?

I mean,

it's insane.

It's insane.

And so, and the worst example, in the so-called victim number eight, this will blow your minds, okay?

Victim number eight has, this is, he got convicted on five counts involving so-called number eight, which doesn't have a date.

It doesn't have a victim who testified.

It doesn't have a contemporaneous report.

It doesn't even have a witness.

The only witness was a hearsay witness because the original witness allegedly had dementia and couldn't testify.

Except we learned.

It's a janitor, right?

Yeah, janitor, except we learned after the trial that the janitor with dementia had been interviewed by the prosecution and three times in this interview said it was not Jerry Sandusky that he saw.

The prosecution clearly saw that and said, guess what, sir?

You have dementia because you didn't give us our proper answer.

That's the definition of dementia in this case.

Giving the wrong answer for the prosecution.

That alone, right there,

should

have people going crazy over.

Wait a minute, that's an insane, even if he was guilty, that's an insane conviction.

See, the problem is,

you never know if somebody's guilty or not.

It's supposed to be beyond a reasonable doubt.

And I don't know how you get

to beyond a reasonable doubt

unless you just allow emotion to dictate and say,

I have to right this wrong.

Exactly.

And the whole community, Glenn, was being accused of enabling a pedophile.

Right.

People had pitchforks and torches outside, almost literally outside of the courthouse.

It happened seven months after the arrest.

And more importantly, not only did Joe Paterna get fired, he died.

Right.

So Jerry's the pedophile who not only

destroyed Penn State football and got him fired, he killed Santa Claus.

I mean,

this is all, there was not one continuance, by the way, which never happens in a case like this.

The whole thing is a massive rush to judgment, and now everyone's making up a narrative

to bolster it.

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We're with John Ziegler.

We're talking about the Penn State scandal in a whole different way that I'm not sure how I feel about yet, but

it's an amazing take you have on it.

A lot of people are probably wondering, why did this happen?

Why?

Joe Paterno's a beloved character.

First of all, why did the media go after him?

And you kind of have a theory about that, don't you?

Oh, 100%.

part of what drove this original firestorm is the fact that the liberal media loved destroying a goody-two-shoes conservative like Joe Paterno, who had an awful relationship with the media because he knew what morons they were his whole life.

That enlightens a lot because Paterno was a lifelong conservative.

Absolutely.

Good friend with the Bushes.

Yeah.

And they hated him for that.

Oh,

that is a.

I mean, I will tell you, that is,

I've seen it, but to throw someone in jail for the rest of their life is different.

Let's continue that here in a second.

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We have John Ziglar with us for a few more minutes, and

he's talking about the Penn State scandal in a whole different way.

Basically,

everybody you think is guilty is innocent, and he really believes it and wants somebody to prove him wrong because he would like this burden of an innocent man in prison

off of his plate.

Please.

But it's not just you who thinks

there's been a very odd look at this.

You released recently, exclusively, as my understanding, a report done by the federal government.

Can you talk about this?

This is amazing.

In a normal case, this would be big news.

But all the bets are off, all the the rules are off on this particular case.

This week, and you can find it at framingfaterno.com through Dan Abrams' website, LawNews, I released a federal report done by a federal investigative services special agent by the name of John Sneddon, who investigated the entire Penn State situation after the story broke in November of 2011 because Graham Spaniard, who's going on trial next week, had a top secret and a very top secret security clearance with the federal government.

By the way,

no one really knows why, but but

he's the president of Penn State.

It's weird, but okay.

So the federal government, after the scandal breaks, decides we need to investigate this to see whether or not he should keep his top secret security clearance.

Six-month investigation finds zero reason for him not to have the security clearance renewed.

It is renewed.

The special agent is positive there was no cover-up.

He believes that Sandoski is likely innocent.

And I released the full report.

It's 110 pages.

If you understand the case, it's stunning, especially since Louis Free, who did the famous Free report, which is credited for so-called proving the cover-up, even though it doesn't do anything of the sort.

Louis Free, former FBI director, is told about this.

Now, you would think as an FBI director, having the FIS conclude that Grand Spaniards' security clearance should be renewed would have alarm bells go off.

Free ignores it, doesn't even put it in his report.

Why?

Because it completely contradicts the conclusions he needed to come to.

Why did he need to come to them?

Because he was being paid millions of dollars by people at Penn State who needed an explanation for why Joe Paterno had been fired.

Because firing Joe Paterno was essentially like destroying the entire history of a huge portion of the university, Penn State University.

And there was no explanation for it because, ironically enough, the number one thing people don't understand about Joe Paterno's element in this case, Joe Paterno is why Jerry Seduski got arrested.

Without Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky's playing golf in Florida today.

And yet he's the guy who gets his legacy destroyed because of the media being a bunch of freaking morons.

And we haven't talked much about Paterno, which obviously is that framing Paterno is your psych, right?

So you kind of started there.

Assuming that Sandusky was

guilty, but Paterno was innocent.

Most people think,

I think you had a poll, was it?

Yeah, a poll about 45% of Americans actually believe Joe Paterno may have been a child molester.

Yes.

I believe that.

Now that's incredible because he wasn't even accused of being a police.

No, Joe Molois was because of the firing.

People believe it, not that he was a child molester.

Correct.

Because of the firing.

Yes, right.

So I commissioned that poll.

We spent a lot of money on that.

It was a legitimate scientific poll of nationwide.

And yeah, we found that the huge portion of people thought incorrectly that Joe Paterno was used to the child molester.

To be honest, I mean, they tore down his statue and everything.

Right, yeah, and you might have more on this in the poll, but I think a lot of people believe Joe Paterno heard about this, wanted to protect Penn State, wouldn't report it to anyone because he didn't want to screw the reputation of the university and the football team.

It makes no sense

or his own name.

However, he did report it.

He did, absolutely.

Can you go through that scenario for people that don't remember?

He's the one who told the athletic director and the head of the campus police, oh, by the way, Mike McQuery came to tell me something that made him feel uncomfortable.

You should talk to McQuery.

And by the way, McQuery doesn't get an open job at the time.

If there had been a cover-up here, what do you do with the only witness in a cover-up?

You give him an open job.

He was a lowly gratislation.

And that actually came out that he did report it.

And then the response from McQuery didn't get the, did it, did it, was it used in the trial that he also didn't get the job?

The problem, Glenn, is McQuery got the date, the month, and the year wrong.

So

when all this matters, no one's connecting those dots because we think it's happening in 2002 when it actually was 2001.

By the way, who forgets something whether it happened?

Gee, did that rape I see happen before 9-11 or after 9-11?

Come on.

It's a pretty big dividend.

That is a big dividend.

That's absurd.

What about the case, though, that people will bring up?

They'll say, look, yes, he reported it, but Joe Paterno ran that university.

He was the man.

If he wanted to follow up on these serious allegations, he could have.

He should have been all over this.

He should have been asking for updates daily.

Why didn't he do any of that?

Well, first of all,

we're not sure that that's not what happened.

But second of all, there was nothing to update on.

First of all, Jerry wasn't his employee.

The number one thing you need to understand here is Jerry's retired.

I mean,

if after you leave the blades, you get accused.

Let's use Jeffy as an example.

If after Jeffy leaves,

he gets accused of child molestation.

What is Glenn Beck's incentive to cover that up?

I mean, there's none.

It doesn't exist.

By the way, Paterno and Sandusky weren't even close.

They didn't like each other.

Wait, wait, wait.

There would be an incentive for me to cover that up.

How?

Because

if I'm in the business of attracting young adults to come or young kids to come to my studios.

But he's not with you anymore.

I know, but

do I not have enough common sense to keep a child molester out?

So

you would rather get accused of covering up for a child molester than having an ex-employee turn out to be a child molester?

No, I would just want it to go away.

You want to distance yourself.

I just want it to go away.

It's not a problem anymore.

Just make it go away.

Well, it's inconsistent with 61 years of Joe Paterno's life.

61 years.

And it's also important to point out that just before this had happened, this is important for context.

I realize context is dead.

But just before the Macquarie episode happens, there was a quarterback by the name of Rashard Casey at Penn State who was accused of beating up a police officer.

The media tortured Paterno for sticking by Rashard Casey because they thought, oh, he's lost his way.

His morals are gone.

He's sticking by this guilty quarterback who beat up a police officer.

Turned out Casey was innocent and got a seven-figure settlement from the police in New Jersey for a story that was made up about him, and Paterno was right to stand by him.

Of course, that was reported everywhere.

So then this happens literally right before this.

So Paterno has a history of not throwing people under the bus if there's no evidence that they're guilty.

And I'm convinced because I know that Joe Paterno's son, Jay Paterno, who was an assistant coach at the time and who doesn't have the guts to say it publicly, but he told me privately, I'm positive that he knows that Jerry is innocent.

Unfortunately, he doesn't run the show within the family because the other brother, Scott Paterno, was Joe's lawyer at the time.

And Scott has his head up his butt and has a huge investment in Sandusky's guilt because he got duped.

That son got duped at the beginning of this story.

And if he's wrong, it's all his fault because he gave bad advice about how to handle this.

That's the germ of how this whole thing starts.

They get duped into thinking it's real.

People forget Jerry hadn't been around the program for 10 years.

Scott Paterno didn't know

Jerry Sandusky from Glenn Beck.

So, in fact, he probably knows, he's a conservative, so he probably knew you a lot better than he knew Jerry Sandusky.

And so, he's going on hearsay and thinking, oh my gosh, this is horrible.

We need to protect ourselves from this, get away from it as far as possible, when it was all nothing.

There was nothing.

What do you expect to happen now?

You've spent a lot of time, a lot of money.

Well, this Graham Spaniard is on trial next week, which is why I'm one of the major reasons why I'm here this week.

He's a very good man who is on trial for his freedom and he's innocent.

I'm a hundred and ten percent positive that he's innocent.

And we'll see whether or not a jury who, the jury pool was very polluted in this, incredibly polluted in this case.

I believe the judge is biased.

I know the media is 100% biased.

It'll be an interesting test of the judicial system.

I suspect he might get convicted

for pure emotion, for conspiracy and child endangerment.

And there is no case.

There's no evidence.

There's no logic to it.

But here's what I, if the first five and a half years of this story are any indication, Glenn,

I think there's not been one good thing that's happened in this whole situation, except for Joe Paterno getting his win record back and the sanctions against Penn State being removed sooner than they were planned on being removed because they were absurd to begin with.

I'm a cynic to begin with, but I am very pessimistic.

I think Jerry Sandotsky is going to die in prison, an innocent man, and a horrendous, horrible death.

And I think that the real story of this case is going to be lost forever because the news media is is broken, completely, totally broken.

And this case shows it in so many different ways because we don't have enough time for this case.

Who else is going to put three hours like you guys have, or almost three hours, into this case?

And that's what it takes to get to the bottom of this.

In fact, we've only hit the tip of the iceberg.

And so we don't live in a world where context and details can matter.

It's emotion.

It's headlines.

This case is all about headlines.

Headlines are all that matter now.

And unfortunately, I don't want to live in a world where only headlines matter, especially when the headline writers are morons who have an agenda.

But that's the world we're living in.

And that's, by the way, how we got Donald Trump as president.

I mean, it really is.

It's all

about the same thing.

You're also saying that the headlines for the son are wrong, right?

I mean, kind of.

Yes.

Jeff Sandusky, one of the adopted sons, was recently charged with a crime that sounds a lot like

what Jerry was accused of.

It sure sounds like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Well, first of all, he's adopted, but second of all, that's not what he's accused of.

I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but he's accused of something completely different.

He's accused of sending text messages to the teenage daughters of his longtime girlfriend.

Yet the headlines are, Sandusky's son charged with child sex abuse.

Well,

what he did, if it's true, I don't, I think it's horrible, and I hope he gets convicted.

It's completely irrelevant to this case.

It happened when Jerry was in a Maximum security prison.

So how Jerry would be remotely involved in this, I don't know.

But the important part about Jeff Sandusky you need to know is Jeff's as positive as anybody that Jerry is innocent.

In fact, he has tattooed on his arm

after the scandal breaks, after Jerry's convicted, Sandusky forever, because it's a message to his former adopted brother, Matt, who temporarily changed his name after becoming a Jerry accuser from Matt Sandusky to Matt Davidson until he realized: guess what?

The media doesn't care about Matt Davidson.

So I'm going back to Matt Sandusky because I want to be a celebrity sex abuse victim.

And so he gets tattooed.

He gets tattooed Sandusky forever.

That, to me, is the most important thing you need to know about Jeff Sandusky relevant to this particular case.

I will tell you this.

You've made some

amazing statements.

Oh, that's an understatement.

Yeah.

I mean,

if you're right, I am.

This is a massive injustice and a, and it shows how sick our society is

being motivated by money and pop entertainment

and how sick our

judicial system really is.

Real important last point, though.

And meeting.

A lot of the people in this story thought they were doing the right thing.

A lot of the accusers thought they were helping put a monster away.

And oh, by the way, it's going to help me too.

See, once everyone thinks there's a Loch Ness monster, then everyone's got to get the Loch Ness monster.

That's when people become really dangerous.

Not when they know what they're doing is corrupt, when they mistakenly think what they're doing is just.

And the same thing happened to the prosecutors.

The same thing happened to the media.

Everyone thinks they're fighting the monster.

That's why you said when

the four that testify,

the mother calls and says, this thing is going to be,

this is going to be thrown out if they don't get more victims.

That's when three others, all friends, stand up because they all believe.

Well, they've been coerced by investigators.

In fact, there was audio recordings proving this, that they thought they were mistaken.

They thought they had turned the recorder off.

This was played in trial.

They thought they had turned the recorder off, but it was actually on, and the investigators

are blatantly lying to the victim to get him to say what they want.

Blatantly.

In what way?

They were telling him things that weren't true.

In fact, the lawyer said, hey, can we tell him that we have all these other accusers that didn't exist at that time so we can get him to talk?

And they say, oh, sure, we do this all the time.

This is all on tape.

They thought the recorder was off.

The media played it in like paragraph six, and oh, isn't this funny that they thought the recording was off?

I mean, that's how crazy this case is.

Wow.

Okay.

Thank you very much, John.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, guys.

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This is the Glenn Vec program.

Mercury.

The Glenn Vet program.

See, that's the secret there.

We're on to something more important than this innocent man in jail thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Milkshakes from McDonald's.

Yeah, we have the new chocolate shamrock.

Shamrock shakes.

We're trying to.

It's pretty delicious, except

I contend that that's not actually.

Don't make the mistake of looking up the ingredients.

The ingredients number one is whole milk.

Number two.

The third one, sucrose.

Non-fat solid.

The third one?

You mean cream?

Cream is the third one.

Okay, fourth thing.

Non-fat milk solids.

No, I don't want any non-fat milk solid.

I don't know what a non-fat milk solid is.

It doesn't make it bad.

Is that like a piece of the other?

What is that?

So if it's in with the shake, it's like you're throwing a little bit of hoof right here.

Yeah, I don't even know.

I don't know if you've noticed this, but though part of the milk is solid ever.

What it turns into cheese, it is, right?

There's a process that's

not diamond shake.

If it's a cheesecake shake, a strawberry cheesecake shake, I'd like to

okay, now wait a minute.

Hang on just a second.

Cheesecake shake?

I mean, past.

No, you made it, but this is the bad.

Mercury.