'It's Not a Muslim Ban' 1/30/17

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There's a lot to discuss today.

If you were traveling by air over the weekend, you had a delightful.

I don't know why protesters have to make everybody else's life miserable.

I mean, that's not going to get me on your side.

If you've made my

travel weekend even more of a hassle than the airlines can, I don't necessarily come to your side.

I want to talk about the

ban, what's being called a Muslim ban.

It's not a Muslim ban.

And I want to talk about that, but we have to start with the facts.

What is it exactly?

What does it exactly say?

Then we can comment on it.

We go there right now.

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A lot to say about this executive order and what the media is doing, but I want to start with the facts and we're going to go through the executive order and what it says, because after watching, you know, the media absolutely freak out.

And again, the spontaneous, amazingly well-organized, spontaneous protests that happened this weekend at airports, that's incredible.

I've never seen anything quite like it.

But then again, the left knows how to protest.

You know, that's what they do and do best.

But do they have the facts right?

So let's look at the facts of what happened.

This is an executive order.

Right off the bat, I am not a fan of executive orders.

I do not want

an autocrat, to put it nicely.

This was one of my biggest concerns with Barack Obama.

And even if Donald Trump does not become an autocrat or an authoritarian, what about the next guy?

Will he?

We need the balance of power back.

We cannot have an executive rule by phone and pen.

It's good to see that the left is awake to this

and they don't like the executive power.

Good, we didn't either.

So the first problem I have with it is that it is

an executive order.

The second problem I have with it was it was done,

it was rushed.

and done without any forethought on what this is going to mean today at all the airports.

Because nobody knew how to deal with it.

Nobody had gone to all the people, you know, the TSA and everybody else at the airport.

They just get this edict and they don't know how to deal with it.

And all these people are in transit.

So it's not, you know, in three days, in five days, in seven days.

It's right now.

This is what's happening.

Yeah, they had quotes from

some of the people who were doing this, you know, going through in the agencies that were basically being told about the executive order in the meetings and then looked up at the screen and saw Donald Trump signing it.

Like they were being informed that this was going to happen while he was on television signing it.

And it's like, well, you want to prepare.

This is one of those things that you would typically prepare people for maybe weeks at least, if not longer, because it's a major change and that you're looking for different people.

You've changed the screening process, which

the executive branch has pretty broad authority when it comes to immigration on these things.

But, you know, you want to make sure that it runs as smoothly as possible.

You don't want to give your enemies something to chew on.

Right.

You don't want to give your enemies video of little kids stranded at the airport in Linbo.

Right.

There's a lot to go through on the actual meat of this, but from a complaint perspective, if you're someone who voted for Donald Trump and thinks these priorities are important, if you're a conservative who's concerned about terrorism, what you don't like about this, number one, is it's just a gift to a media, the way they did to the media, the way they did it.

They were able to give a complete gift with not only a gift as far as just the way you talk about it, but then visuals.

You're saying like, hey, here's the location of every one of the 100 and some odd people that are going to be detained because every single time they're going to be around a central area at a major airport and it was just a gift visually to the media, which you don't want to do.

So there's a level of

incompetence in the way it was handled that I think conservatives, Trump supporters, can absolutely complain about.

So that is something to get out of the way right away.

Right.

But

it is not,

huge, but, it is not what the left is calling.

Right.

Now, they're saying this is a Muslim ban.

It's not a Muslim ban.

Now, there are problems with it that you can make it into a Muslim ban, but it is not a Muslim ban.

There are how many countries?

22 Muslim countries.

Only seven of them are banned.

And they're the worst of the worst.

And it is only for, is it 60 or 90 days?

90?

90, I think.

As it is looked at.

Now,

me personally, I would ban everyone for 60 days.

There's nobody coming from these war-torn countries as refugees for another another 60 days until we can implement

some sort of vetting process that we believe.

But what they've said is for 60 or 90 days,

you're not going to be able to take anyone but religious minorities

and in some case-by-case basis, those who helped us fight the war.

And it sort of does that with refugees as we go through the details.

It does some of that more broadly and then specifically from people from those countries.

So refugees are

for 120 days, I think, is the ban on that.

We can go through this if you want.

Yeah, go through it.

Let's start.

And then quickly, the source on this is important, I think, because it's National Review and David French.

David French is a guy who

almost ran for president against Donald Trump as a third party.

So the National Review was the big anti-Trump.

So for the National Review, that gave a lot of credibility to this for me.

When National Review came out and said, it's not what everybody is saying it is, that gave a lot of credibility because National Review, if they're going to play like the rest of the media, would come out and say, it's bad, it's horrible.

because they were against Donald Trump.

That's not what they did.

That's not what they did.

And on your point, a lot of people are saying, well, this isn't effective because it doesn't ban Saudi Arabia, for example, who was involved in the actual, you know, their residents were involved in 9-11, right?

So why did you target that?

It's just as ineffective as a Muslim ban.

If you think it's a Muslim ban, they missed the top 10 Muslim populations in the world.

The top 10 Muslim populations in the world are all not on the ban.

So if you're trying to ban Muslims, you want to include Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Iran is on there.

Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco.

So, I mean, there's one, Iran.

So it's just, it's just like, it's obviously not a Muslim ban.

You know, despite the fact that, you know, Michael Flynn's son was tweeting about it being a Muslim ban.

It's not a Muslim ban.

And Rudy Giuliani.

Well, I mean, again, the Giuliani thing is problematic in that, and this is another part you want to go to incompetence,

the Giuliani story, in case you don't know it, is...

Trump went to Giuliani, according to Giuliani, and said, I want to do a Muslim ban.

How do I do it legally?

Now, he said, Giuliani said this and recounted this conversation on national television.

So then they went and said, well, you don't focus on religion, you focus on danger and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Look, we were, and I maintain

a belief that it is absolutely unconstitutional and wrong to ban a religion from the United States of America when it comes to immigrants.

I think that's his, Trump's initial proposal was completely wrong and I think horrible.

And all the complaints that you see today from the media would be justified if he implemented that policy.

He did not implement anything close to that policy.

It's not even remotely close to that policy.

They're just all reacting as if it's the same thing.

It is not the same thing.

May I point out

a bit of hypocrisy here on the left?

Sure.

What they're doing is

we listened to Barack Obama and we took him literally when he said, Look, I'm for a single-payer health care system, and eventually this will collapse the free market system and

we'll go into a single-payer health care system.

People said that right with Gruber

said that

and he said he was for a single-payer, single-payer multiple times, right?

And Gruber said, Look, this is a Trojan horse, it's going to collapse the system, blah, blah, blah.

And I took them at their word.

I took them literally.

The left took him seriously.

And so when we said, that's crazy,

this is not, this is, this is,

he's not doing what he's saying he's doing.

He's using a Trojan horse to get a single-payer healthcare system.

We were called conspiracy theorists because we took him literally and not and not seriously.

The left never took him literally.

So when he said,

you know, I want a single-payer healthcare system and this is the way to get there,

it didn't matter.

What they heard was, no, you're going to get $2,800 back.

You're going to get money back and you're going to be able to keep your doctor.

We were conspiracy theorists.

What's happening here is they heard Donald Trump, and like me, they took him literally.

He wants, he has got a problem with Muslims.

He's going to ban all Muslims.

They also look in this particular case to Steve Bannon, who is the architect of this executive order.

And they know that he is alt-right, a big alt-right supporter.

So, of course, they think this is going to be a, this is, this is 60 days away from being a full Muslim ban because that's what Trump has said in the past he wanted, and we know that's what Bannon wanted.

So this is a Trojan horse.

The right now is taking Donald Trump seriously, but not literally.

The press and the left are taking him literally.

Because they own the press,

it takes a hold of the country.

Where because we didn't own the press, it didn't take a hold of the country.

Does that make sense?

So that's the biggest problem, is that they are taking this.

They are taking him in the past literally and this

not literally.

right because i mean with barack obama it was constant stories about what he meant was yes you always got these justifications about what he actually meant to say and what he actually meant and here's the justification here's the backup you got that constantly with trump you're getting the exact opposite right you're getting the most you know heavy-handed uh

not looking for nuance sort of views here um and you know i there it's hard to find new i mean you know donald trump that does not necessarily lend himself to nuance i get it but it's why we said.

But you need to look at the actual words and what these things actually do.

It's why we said during the Obama administration, you have to be able to take the president literally.

You have to believe his words.

His words matter.

Because

how else do you judge a man?

And so if you don't know when he means it and when he doesn't, how do you judge a man?

Well, you then have to go to the piece of paper and see what the piece of paper says.

Let's give a a little bit of this for about 90 seconds.

Okay, so the first thing it does, it caps 120 days with no refugee admissions,

and they're going to improve the vetting process.

You know the extreme vetting words there.

And then caps refugee admissions at 50,000 per year, 50,000 per year.

Now, Obama had a huge year of refugee admissions in 2016, but that number of 50,000 is not out of the norm for the United States at all, especially in the 2000s.

You look at the chart, it's been right around 50,000 or slightly above since about the year 2000.

And also was in that, in the late 80s, was around the same number.

It's had periods where it's jumped up.

In 2002, after 9-11, was the low point, 27,131 refugees.

We were obviously very heightened security after 9-11.

We admitted fewer than 50,000 in 2003, 2006, and 2007.

Now, those are all Bush years, so you might say, well, Obama did a lot more.

Obama was slightly more generous in this particular measure than President Bush, but his refugee cap from 2013 to 2015 was just 70,000.

So again, it's not that much different than what the Trump things does.

In 2011 and 2012, he admitted barely more than 50,000 refugees himself.

So important to note that this cap is not out of the norm.

at all.

The bottom line is that Trump is improving security, if you believe this, and intends to admit refugees at close to an average rate of the 15 years before Obama's dramatic expansion in 2016.

Important point here.

Obama's expansion was a departure from the norm, not Trump's contraction.

Obama's expansion was the thing that stands out on this chart.

It's the thing that makes you say, whoa, what happened there?

You notice it immediately, and that is the thing that is out of step with the way we've done things since the new millennium.

Okay, so that's important to understand.

That cap is not unreasonable.

It's not zero.

It's not the sort of thing that Trump talked about in the campaign.

It is a generally average number that we've had over the past couple presidents.

And it's important to point out here,

I believe you could ask any American, any American, left, right, in the middle, doesn't matter,

are we vetting people well enough when they come in?

Do we know who they are?

I think almost everyone will say no.

And one of the reasons why is because of what we went through with the border.

We have no idea who's pouring across our border.

It is not unreasonable to say, let's pause for a minute.

Let's look at everything.

Let's get our C-legs, reduce them back to the way they were before this anomaly under this last president.

And let's find out how we can find out who is here and coming in.

There's nothing wrong with that.

That is totally reasonable.

I believe it is the press that is blowing this out of proportion.

Now, if he would do a full Muslim ban, I would be with them.

But that's not what this is.

And facts do matter,

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We have to establish a baseline of fact.

So is this a Muslim ban?

As we're reading the executive order, first thing that comes out at you is, no, this is not a Muslim ban.

Now, let's continue to read it.

Okay, the second part of this executive order.

It imposes a temporary 90-day ban on people entering the U.S.

from from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen.

Where do those

countries come from?

Well, you could look first to the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015.

You might think of who the president was in 2015, and of course, obviously this would be

a strange answer.

It started with four countries,

Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and Syria were the first four.

And then in 2016, February 18th, 2016, they added the final three,

giving you Libya, Somalia, and Yemen.

So those, I mean, I'm surely that the Trump administration, the people who crafted this, did this intentionally, right?

They picked these dangerous countries that the Obama administration had already put on for restrictions on visas, had already named them as dangerous countries.

Now, this issue, people are talking about it as a Muslim ban, and it will effectively work as a Muslim ban from those seven countries.

Right, but you would still come in from Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia or Indonesia or any of the other eight or nine of the top ten countries in Muslim population in the world.

So, that is an important thing.

Lots of Muslims can come here.

We can continue to accept

normal.

We want the good people that want to be here.

We just have to figure out how do you know which is which.

More on the actual facts of this non-Muslim ban, ban this executive order when we come back.

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Lot to say about the executive order, a lot to say to the media and the protesters.

And

perhaps, well, I don't even know what you think anymore.

So I was going to say, perhaps not what you think, but I don't know what people think I'm going to say anymore.

The truth is you understand it.

We're going to continue to do whether you like it or not.

Yep, the truth is I understand it.

And

there is both good and bad in this.

If you want to look at it through the lens of reason, if you want to take it for what it says,

it's reasonable to do.

Now, if you want to play it out and say,

this is the first step in a Muslim ban, which you wouldn't have allowed me to do with Barack Obama.

That was a conspiracy theory.

So let's hold him to the same standard that you held Barack Obama to.

He said this is what he wants to do.

When he does more, then we can talk about that.

But so far, this is what the executive order says.

It does say it can be extended or expanded.

And I think if you look at that, it's fair to look at this, judging, first of all, that it will be extended, right?

I think that that's a fair thing to look at.

Right now, it's a short ban, but I don't think that's the right way to judge it.

I mean, if he can continue to expand it and continue to do it, you should probably judge it on what its

long-term implications are.

And can it be expanded?

Well, you know, if there's an attack or something, I mean, I would not be surprised at all if it's expanded.

However, what it does now is what it does now.

I will tell you this: with the marches,

before anyone has any facts, these marches are

the Nobel Prize going to Barack Obama times 10.

10.

People are already marching before the average American has even heard that there has been a new executive order.

And all of a sudden, everybody's up in arms.

If the left gets their way on this and they obstruct this,

I'm telling you, the first time that a

immigrant does anything or a refugee does anything wrong,

this administration will go 10 times as hard, and the American people will be right there with them.

It'll be the Bubba effect.

Yeah, I mean, that is a real danger.

Yep.

But, you know, it's something to consider as you go forward.

So

a lot of people are saying, well, wait a minute, what about these great generals that worked with us in the war?

What about there's like NBA players with dual citizenship from here in Sudan?

Technically, if they were to go play the Toronto Raptors and then try to come back in the country, they could be banned.

However, the executive order specifically deals with that, saying Secretary of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked.

They've carved out, hey, if we've got a translator that helped us get Osama bin Laden and he takes a trip, well, guess what?

He's able to come back in because we have specific ways to do that.

We have a moral obligation to help those people.

Absolutely.

Now, this is another part I think you have a real fair complaint with the way they did this in that they didn't seem to outline this well enough.

The process is not streamlined, and it's why some of these people who shouldn't have been caught up in this were caught up in it.

Correct.

Again, it was a small number of people, but it was an easy media story and a gift to the media, which again is supposed to be, Trump has one of his strong suits, right, as far as handling the media.

And this, they seem to fall down on it.

There's another part of it where they may have extended this to people who actually had green cards, meaning permanent residents of the United States that also had

issues here.

They initially did that.

The reporting was that people like Steve Bannon overruled other people in the administration who were working on this to try to make it apply to green card holders.

It does seem like the administration is backing off of that now.

So it does not seem like that's a big part of it.

Next up.

the

indefinite hold on admission to Syrian refugees to the United States.

That is in the executive order.

I mean, look, there's a civil war going on there.

It's a very dangerous area.

A lot of people would understand this.

It is a return, according to the National Review, to the Obama administration's practices from 2011 to 2014.

For all the Democrats and wailing and gnashing of teeth, until 2016, the Obama administration had largely already slammed the door on Syrian refugee admissions.

The Syrian civil war touched off in 2011.

In 2011, we admitted 29 Syrian refugees.

29.

In 2012, 31.

In 2013, 36.

In 2014, 105.

And then in 2015, 1,682.

It wasn't until 2016 that we hit 13,000.

Okay?

So there was a large increase, but very consistent with the early years of the Syrian civil war.

When that was going on, the Obama administration let in less than a trickle of refugees.

Only in the closing days of his administration did Obama reverse course.

And now we're supposed to be all upset that Trump is returning to what Obama did at the beginning.

It's not that big of a difference.

There is a fourth, there's a

puzzling amount of outrage over Trump's directive to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion to the individual's country of nationality.

So we see what this is.

And you could see how if you're not following this closely, you'd say, well, wait a minute.

He's gone to seven countries.

The majority religion there is Muslim.

And he said only minority

religions can come in.

So it looks like a Muslim ban.

Again, if you missed earlier, he missed, I think, nine of the ten top Muslim populations in the world.

So it doesn't seem like he's banning all Muslims by any means.

Well, the problem with this is, I don't have, I'm not comfortable with the government scanning the Christians or Yazidis either.

Right.

They're so bad.

They're so bad at it.

This is where I think there's another stumble.

Cut it off for 60 days.

Cut it off.

Yes, they did for refugees for 120 days.

So I think you're okay with that part of it.

But

with the exception of the war-torn countries, if you're Christian or Yazidi.

Right.

Those are refugees.

Those are people.

So that country is just people in general, those seven countries.

Overall, refugees from anywhere, 120 days.

So if you're not, because refugees, you have to make an argument, right?

It's not just you're just trying to immigrate here.

You're making, wait a minute, I'm being persecuted.

I'm going to be killed because I'm Christian.

I need to come here right now.

And the ones that are targeted first,

I believe, are the Yazidis, close second are the Christians, and a third are Muslims.

But it's hard to tell which ones are

part of this plan to infiltrate and which are just good Muslims.

That's why we need the help of the Muslim community, but not people like CARE, people like Judy Zasser's,

Zudi Jassars organization, where

we can have Muslims sit down with Muslims and say, okay, how do we figure this out?

Who are the bad guys?

Who are the good guys?

Now,

so the way with

right now, this executive order says members of minority religions may well go to the front of the line.

During the Obama administration, it seems that Christian and other minorities may well have ended up at the back of the line.

For example, when Obama dramatically expanded Syrian refugee admissions in 2016, few Christians made the cut.

The Obama administration resettled 13,210 Syrian refugees.

That's an increase of 675% over the same 10-month period in 2015.

Of those, 99.1% were Muslim.

And then 77%...

which is 0.5% of that number, were Christian.

0.18% are Yazidis.

Now, 10% of Syria is Christian, and only 0.5% of the refugees we let in were Christian.

So that is actually, it is the reverse of what Obama did there.

He was letting in almost only religious majorities where this particular thing says, hey, this executive order says we need religious minorities.

And we want to point out that

there hasn't been any refugee that has caused a problem here in the United States, but there have been refugees that have caused problems over in Europe.

Some of the parachutings were refugees.

And there were terrorist attacks by Cuban refugees before 1980.

I think three people died in those.

So it has happened before, but not since 1980.

And there were Cuban refugees.

Right.

And it is happening in this particular case where Europe is being overwhelmed.

And we just don't want to be overwhelmed.

We're no good helping anyone unless we help ourselves first.

And

I am against this because it's an executive order.

I do not like ruling by pen and by telephone, Twitter, or

telephone.

I don't like it.

It's not the way we work.

However, everything that I've read from this executive order seems fairly reasonable.

I don't know why Saudi Arabia isn't on it, why the UAE isn't on it.

There are some.

It's funny because people keep complaining: well, you didn't put the 9-11 terrorists on it.

Well, they didn't put, if it was a Muslim ban, it's a terrible Muslim ban, too.

He did a bad job at banning Muslims when you leave nine of the ten top Muslim populations untouched.

So

it's not about that.

I understand where they're going with this.

They obviously want to make this look like something that it's not.

It's the media.

This is how they act.

But it's important to actually understand what is in there.

For example, federal asylum and refugee law require a religious test as part of the process.

So people are saying, well,

you can't talk about religious minorities.

That's a very standard part of refugee and asylum law.

An alien in seeking asylum must establish that religion, among other things, was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

The term refugee means any person who is outside any country of such person's nationality who is unable or unwilling to return to that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of religion, among other things.

This is why you don't, refugees are different than your typical immigrant.

Refugees are people fleeing a terrible situation.

One of the main reasons people do this is because

you might know from history, a lot of times religious minorities get persecuted.

That is one of the reasons we have these things set up so that we can rescue people from these terrible situations if they are minority religions being persecuted by the majority.

Very rarely does the majority religion, and it does happen, but the majority religion is the victim of the persecution.

It does happen, but it's more typically associated with religious minorities.

We've seen this in country after country throughout history, not even just recent history.

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As we go over the facts of

this executive order, what's left in it, Stu?

And pretty much we got to everything on that.

Some people are saying, wait, what about Boston?

Those were refugees, the Boston bombing.

Technically, those were asylum seekers.

There's sort of a different process there.

Also, they weren't from a banned country.

So those are,

it would not have covered the Tsarnievs.

So it's a little bit different.

There was the Ohio State attack where there was a bunch of injuries.

That was a refugee in recent memory.

And

that was September 2016.

But again, like most of this stuff wouldn't necessarily have stopped any of the attacks that we talk about on a regular basis.

But again, you don't know what the next attack is.

You know, most of the time, it's not the exact same path as the last people.

And again, the executive order says it can be expanded.

I mean, a lot of the people on the left are going, oh, well, then why didn't he ban people from Saudi Arabia?

Wait, so he's against all Muslims, but he, for some reason, didn't ban Muslims from Saudi Arabia, and you're complaining about that.

Like, do you think he hates all Muslims, or do you think that he hates all Muslims with the exception of some of the Muslims he likes?

That's not a legitimate point.

Again, it shouldn't be to what he likes and what he feels.

And I completely agree with that.

The executive order thing is something that we complained about throughout the Obama administration.

Bush administration, too.

And I would say this, this is an interesting thing, I think, from the media perspective, because you started off this hour talking about the media kind of and how they are handling this.

Is it that

Donald Trump is doing much more with executive order than any previous president?

Or is it just that they just ignored all the other presidents?

Because I, I mean, you've heard more about every individual executive order about Donald Trump than you've ever heard about Barack Obama.

And my understanding is that they are in the same area as far as how much they're using it.

Trump, as a defense to his actions, has used Barack Obama as a model.

The exact thing you talked about many, many times,

saying, wait a minute, left, you're not going to like this when somebody you don't like gets power and uses the same tools.

No, we only have about five minutes of clips of me saying that.

Right, exactly.

So, I mean, and this is what happens.

You know, we opposed at the time the expansion of executive power because there shouldn't be any president who has the power to do things through executive order.

We have a legislative process for a reason.

And so I do, I wish this went through the legislative process.

However, as an executive order, you look at it and there is...

It's just awkward and weird.

And that's what he liked.

He liked it.

Yeah.

I mean, he's one of those guys that actually like basically ruined his life for his art.

And there's something very charming about that when you're like you're willing to sell out that hard.

This is charming.

I think it is.

It is.

It is.

Look at you.

I mean, Jeffy's done the same thing.

Yeah, he doesn't want to eat.

He does this for the show.

And it's really done the same.

I mean, that's just a cheap shot.

I mean,

are you calling him fat?

Yes.

I was thinking maybe

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I want to define a couple of things:

principles and make it stop.

And why?

Just make it stop always beats principles.

The hypocrisy of the media and the left here is almost beyond comprehension.

It really is.

And we also want to speak to a couple of Muslims.

We have a Muslim in Oklahoma, 35-year-old Muslim American, who says, I am perfectly fine with what's being called a Muslim ban.

And it is not a Muslim ban.

It is a pause on the venting, on the vetting.

Now, if that changes,

well, then maybe it becomes a Muslim ban.

But right now, there are 20 or 22 Muslim countries in the world.

Only seven are affected, and they are the seven that Barack Obama identified as troubled nations with serious problems with terror.

We begin there with the press right now.

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This is the Glenn Beck program.

We have to decide whether we are going to be a part of the solution or a part of the problem.

And I want to to speak to the press about that.

I have so many friends, a couple of friends at church yesterday said, Glenn, just give up on the media.

No, I'm not going to give up on the media.

I mean, I have very little hope that most of them will do this, but I think that some of them are going to change.

Did you read that NBC

is talking about now becoming the next Fox News?

That NBC is now looking with the hiring of Megan Kelly and Greta Van Sustern.

They're now saying they want to go to the center and center right.

I told you I thought that was happening with NBC.

Don't know if it is for sure.

Yeah, we'll see.

But that is from an inside source at NBC that are saying that they are trying to become the next Fox News.

Very interesting.

We'll see what happens.

I don't want the next Fox News or the next CNN or the next MSNBC.

I want something that is truly without an agenda.

The problem with the news is they won't admit their mistakes because I think most of them don't see their mistakes.

And what we have now, the reason why Donald Trump won, is because there are a lot of people in the country.

And I didn't understand this until recently.

There's a lot of people that are at the point of

make it stop.

Just make it stop.

I knew people were frustrated.

I knew that people were tired.

But I don't think I really understood

the average American and how they feel like

nothing is getting better.

In fact, things are all getting worse and are really, truly struggling to hold it together.

And make it stop

wins over principles every time.

It's why the lone survivor, Marcus Luttrell, told me one day.

We all...

We all say, Glenn,

we all talk.

When we're under torture, we all talk.

No matter what anyone says to you, everyone breaks.

There comes a point where you just want it to stop.

And that's where the average American was.

They want the insanity to stop.

They want the transformation to stop.

It's interesting because the press wrote this weekend that Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are transforming America.

Well,

no, actually,

your guy said we're just five days away from fundamental transformation in the United States of America.

So, your guy transformed the country.

You didn't care to notice or care about the people who said, Wait, I don't want our country transformed.

Now, you think it's being transformed, and it may be

If you don't think that make it stop

is true

and you're on the left,

let me prove it to you.

You wanted people

to stop trying to block progress.

And so it didn't matter.

When Nancy Pelosi said, we'll pole vault into healthcare if we have to.

We'll climb the wall.

We'll pole vault.

We'll do by hook or by crook.

The president even said, hook or by crook, we'll get this done.

Later, he said, I'll get these things passed because I have a phone and a pen.

In other words, I will call for protests in the street or I will sign an executive order.

And you were fine with it.

We weren't.

We warned over and over and over again.

No,

you have to understand.

You might like it now, but eventually somebody that you don't like is going to have power and you're not going to like what they do.

And that's where we are.

That's why things will get worse.

Because the people who voted for Donald Trump just wanted the craziness to stop.

And if you can't, and you're on the left, you can't understand why people would say it's craziness.

When you're asking people

to deny sexual orientation,

that their parts are meaningless, that there is no such thing as a male and a female anymore.

And you've done it

if I would have said in 1995, by or in 1996, that by 2016,

20 years down the road,

everybody will be fine with gay marriage, will have gay marriage as part of the law, and

conservatives will be cool with calling a sports hero, Bruce Jenner, by a female name because he'll just come out and say, even though I haven't touched my body parts, I am a woman.

I'm Caitlin.

If I would have said we would have been okay with that in 1995, you would have deemed me out of my mind.

If I would have said it in 2000, you would have deemed me out of my mind.

I contend when Barack Obama was against gay marriage in 2008, and so is Hillary Clinton.

If I said we would have that by 2016, you would say I was out of my mind.

In eight years,

we went from a country that was against gay marriage to a country that says Caitlin Jenner.

You pushed us to the wall and said, oh, now, by the way, you have to deny all sexuality, that there is no such thing as gender, period.

Make it stop.

Can somebody just make it stop?

People hit their limit.

It's one of the things I warned about

when we went over the history of Hungary when I was back at Fox.

Remember what did people do when

they turned the streets inside out, upside down?

What happened?

People cried out to the government, make it stop.

Now our problem is the right

says, screw you, left.

You didn't listen to us at all.

Screw you.

You tried to trash our nation and completely trash everything that I held dear.

And the left is now saying, oh yeah?

Make it stop.

And neither one

will care about principles.

You know,

when the border thing was happening, because people don't know

how

others

can sit here

while this,

you know, Muslim ban is going on.

Well, first of all,

because you're listening to fake news.

In this particular instance, the media is giving you fake news.

It is not a Muslim ban.

Now, it could turn into that, but that's not what it is now.

I don't like that this fact that it's an executive order.

I don't like the fact that

it was rolled out by a bunch of third graders, it seemed.

Nobody had their ducks in a row on this one, but it's not what the media is saying.

But let me tell the media and the left where this

passion to say, shut up, came from.

Why we are,

I can't say we, why half of the country is willing to say, I don't care.

I don't care.

Start with the border.

President Obama went down to the border and said, it's effectively finished.

The border is effectively finished, the border fence.

Everywhere we could fence it, it's been fenced, and we're safe.

and there's not a problem.

That wasn't true.

Everybody on the right knew that it wasn't true, and the media went along with it because of their agenda.

They gave him a pass.

Then they also said that anybody who opposes the president and the border was a racist.

We went down with $3 million worth of food and clothing and things to help children, to help children.

on the border and to send them back home but to take care of them while they were here.

Not to have the government do it, us do it.

You and the media never covered it.

You didn't pay attention to it because it didn't fit your agenda.

When we warned that those people on the border are being moved by the federal government into our cities without telling our cities and the public where they're going, you're just dropping them into our cities, you yawned.

When I pointed out that there is really bad stuff going on in these camps where they're keeping these immigrants, these illegals, where they are breaking up families, and it is horrific conditions, you yawned again

because it didn't fit your agenda.

When Occupy Wall Street came, you practically laid down the red carpet for them.

You called them patriots, you called them informed, you called them peaceful, even though time and again there were rapes, there were murders early on, they tried to blow up a bridge in Ohio, and yet you didn't care.

You didn't say anything.

When the Tea Party met and we didn't have websites like the Women's March does, we didn't have labor unions providing buses.

It really was mom and dad around the kitchen table.

You first said that we were astro-turf, that we were nothing but rubes being used by the politicians.

Then, when that didn't work, you started accusing us of being terrorists, that we wanted to blow up the government.

When Madonna said that, you excused it.

When we didn't say it, you said we felt it in our hearts.

Time left us out of the year in review.

in 2010.

Was there a bigger story in 2010 than the Tea Party movement that led to to a historic change of power?

They left the Tea Party out of their year in review.

I can guarantee you it's only a matter of time before this is deemed the year of the protester.

And you won't see it in the media.

If I see one more person say that Donald Trump is an authoritarian, or this is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany, or that he's a racist, When I pointed these things out,

I was pointing them out about the authoritarian nature of the

silencing of the press, which Barack Obama did, and every member of the press knows that.

The use of

executive order and strong-arm tactics.

His hanging out with authoritarian leaders.

You said I was a conspiracy nut.

You said it was morally reprehensible to even use the word Nazi.

And yet, you don't seem to care now.

That's why nobody trusts you.

That's why we're at make it stop.

That's what gave Trump his power.

And if you continue down this road, it's going to get worse on both sides.

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They're now talking about food storage and buying gold on the left.

And the right is totally fine.

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Welcome to it.

I'm so glad you're here.

Coming up in a few minutes, we have Matt.

He's a 35-year-old Muslim American who

agrees with Donald Trump.

Next hour, I have Zudi Jasser on, who's going to talk about this.

And also Riaz Batal, who is a, I guess you would call him somebody

on the left, but he sure doesn't seem it.

He's a Muslim Pakistani

gay man,

which couldn't check more boxes.

That doesn't sound real, wouldn't i mean it doesn't sound real but he is uh i i have a feeling i have not talked to him yet but i have a feeling he's for extra vetting seeing that he's one of the guys that you know extreme islam want to kill

um we will uh we'll talk to both of them next hour something that i don't think that you're going to get um in the mainstream media you know talking about

There's philosophy, and philosophy happens when times are good.

When times are bad, people just say, to hell with a philosophy.

I just want it to stop.

And that's why this is not worth working

with

the media.

Because they're ratcheting it up.

They ratcheted it up by their inaction, and now they're ratcheting it up by their action.

And we need some sober heads.

Because times are only going to get more tough.

When it comes to what are we supposed to do?

Well, we can take things into our own hands and we can work through organizations like Mercury One that while the government did nothing to save Christians, we took 4,000 Christians and got them out of Syria and Iraq.

Nobody else did that.

In fact, the mainstream media never really reported on it.

But you can do things yourself.

And I want to go there and take phone calls next.

You know, if I may mince words here,

people are saying that it's un-American

because

America needs to be nice.

No, America needs to be kind.

And there's a huge difference between kind and nice.

What is nice?

You want to be nice to somebody.

What does that mean?

You want to take

refugees in because you're nice.

I don't think Jesus was nice.

Jesus was kind.

Kindness

balances

wisdom

and love.

Being kind to somebody.

Sometimes you're kind to somebody.

We were just talking about Stu's dog who died last week.

And we were just talking about how hard it is

to

put our dogs down or have them die in our life because they're family members.

And I remember we had to make the decision of putting Victor down.

It wasn't nice of us.

We didn't do that because we were nice.

We were trying to be kind.

We loved him, but at what point we used wisdom to say, at what point

do we let him go?

At what point do we help him go?

That's not being nice.

It's being kind.

So

this is not a Muslim ban in the first place.

And yes, you can say we're not being nice, but it's more important for us to be kind.

We have to do the right things for our country and the right things for the

refugee.

We have to find the right ones.

You know, we sent

4,000 people that were in Syria and Iraq.

And we got them into new houses and new communities all around the world, except for the United States, but all around the world.

We did extreme vetting on them.

If we can do it, the government can.

We even went and we had to

build a secondary refugee camp in Greece.

Why?

Because the Muslim camp, the people who were refugees, were still being targeted by the bad Muslims that Greece had accepted as refugees.

We didn't know which ones were which.

Greece didn't know.

So what did they do?

They needed a way to relieve the suffering of the Uzidis and the

Christians.

And so we built a secondary placement camp.

So we could separate them.

Not because we were being

nice,

but because we were trying to be kind.

We couldn't lump all the Muslims together and say, you're all bad, you guys out.

That's where we have to go.

We have to have reason fix reason firmly in her seat and question with boldness.

How many of us have been uncomfortable lately?

And I don't mean uncomfortable with what the other side is doing.

Uncomfortable because you have said, let me actually

look at what is happening.

How many people on the left are saying, wait a minute, let me try to understand

those people who voted for Donald Trump?

I contend, very few.

It's hard.

It makes you uncomfortable.

You should be risking and uncomfortable in your thoughts almost every day.

It shows that you're reaching out.

It shows that you're expanding.

It's growth.

As you work out, and I've been told this because I don't know for a fact, but as you work out, your muscles tear and it hurts.

That is a good kind of pain.

Being intellectually uncomfortable.

And saying, wait a minute, let's reason this out.

It's going to make you hurt.

But

if you balance love and wisdom, we can be great again because what made us great is we were a nation, not of nice people, but of kind and generous people.

Let me go to Matt in Oklahoma.

He's an American Muslim.

Hello, Matt.

Line one.

You're on.

Hey, how's it going?

Good.

Good.

I wanted to say, I think you were a little too overzealous in saying that I support Trump.

I agree with you 100%.

I think that it's not a Muslim ban.

I think that it's more than prudent measures.

I mean, I think I'm not happy about executive orders, but I think that for the left to try to act as the saviors or the friends of the Muslim community is extremely hypocritical, considering how much the left has bombed Muslim countries and more so as a minority within the Muslim community, as a Shia, the Wahhabis, the so-called Islamic extremists that you're talking about, have targeted us more than they've targeted anybody.

And you can go online and watch videos in Syria of them going up to people saying, are you Sunni or Shia?

If they say Shia, they shoot them.

And I don't want those people over here in my country because I live here.

And I want to raise my kids here.

And I want them to be safe.

Not, you know, I don't want this to be Aleppo Part 2 over here.

So, Matt, how do we solve this?

How do you know who the good guys and the bad guys are?

Again, you were exactly right.

First of all, you leave care on the sidelines because care is

they've proven themselves time and time again to be concerned with only

the views, the same views that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt holds, which is the same views that Hamas holds in Palestine.

And

there are many, many Muslim groups aside from care that don't identify with care at all

You you have them we sit down we talk

We call that the people that you're that you call Islamic extremists we call takfiris Which means somebody who just who thinks that nobody is Muslim but them and For us, that's a pretty easy identification.

There are certain things that do and say that you can always spot them and you meet them here, too

And we need to figure out as a Muslim community at what point do we start taking it seriously?

Because it's

it's not Glenn Beck's job to weed out the bad apples from the Muslim community.

And we tend to say,

oh, well, a few bad apples is just a few bad apples.

But we're forgetting that the phrase is a few bad apples spoils the bunch.

And that's what's happening.

We're not weeding out these scumbags

here and abroad.

And right now, like you said, you have to pay for the sins of your past.

And American Muslims just need to take this seriously, in my opinion.

Again,

I'm not 100% on board with the way the ban is implemented.

There's definitely Saudi Arabia needs to be on the list.

There's probably one or two countries I would take off.

But that's, I mean, he got the list from Obama.

You know, Trump isn't to blame for that.

But lists aside.

At what point do Muslims here take accountability and say, hey, this is our job?

I mean, the next guy that you said you have up, I could hear

the gay man from Pakistan.

First of all, I say As-salamu alaikum to him, and

I'm sorry that he's in this situation as well.

I mean, it can't be easy

seeing the left

wanting to invite over the very people who would do serious harm to somebody like that.

And I mean, we can't take it as just, you know, we can't be spectators in this.

We have to be active participants in the securing of our own safety here.

Thank you, Matt.

I appreciate appreciate it.

And that is the point, too, that

I tried to make last half hour is we have to be active.

If you want to save refugees, we've already proven that it can be done.

We saved 4,000.

What can the Muslim community do?

We couldn't get them into the United States.

Okay, so we got them someplace else.

You don't need the government.

Where else can they go?

You need a government.

You

need to be cooperative.

And there will be governments that will cooperate.

Why isn't Saudi Arabia taking more of these guys?

Yeah, and

the caller Matt brings up a great point, which I think you can read this executive order as if it's not even a Muslim ban of these specific countries.

The way it's typically been talked about is, well, these are seven Muslim-majority countries, and

only religious minorities can be considered in this way

as this goes forward.

But I mean,

Syria in particular, 74%

Sunni,

13% Shia.

Shia's being killed like crazy over there.

Shia.

I think you just legitimately say that Shias are qualified as a religious minority and would be actually included

to be in this particular area.

Those are the ones that we should bring in.

I mean, if you're going to bring them in, you want the ones, why would the ones that are not being persecuted, the ones who are doing the persecution, why would we bring them in?

Right.

I mean, so I think you could absolutely read it that way.

I don't know.

I mean, judging by what Rudy Giuliani said about the intent of this, which he described it as: Trump came to him and said, I want a Muslim ban.

How do I do it legally?

And this is what they came up with.

It's incredible that he said that.

Incredible that he was, I mean, if

it's incredible that it happened that way, but also incredible that he would blurt it out on television.

But if that's true, then I would assume probably not for Shias.

But I mean, I think if you're looking at this as the

described intent, which is to allow people who are being persecuted because of their religion

to be helped.

I mean, I think Shias would fall into that.

I will tell you, if it doesn't include Shias,

then

you have something to talk about.

There's another thing in this, particularly for Shira, for Syria, so maybe not with that.

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Coming up next, we have Zudi Jasser.

Still having gotten confirmation from Riaz Patal.

Spoke to him last night

through email and

was really curious to how he looks at the world and what's happening now.

And,

you know, as we exchanged emails, he's pretty much coming out where I am,

which I find heartening.

Here's a guy on the left, and pretty hard on the left, that agrees

we have to do something.

We have to have some reason here and know who's coming into our country.

And

I urge you,

whether you're on the left or the right,

to

not excuse your side for anything.

For instance, I don't like the executive order.

When you're talking to somebody about that, find the common ground.

I don't like the fact that it was an executive order.

I didn't like it when Obama did it.

I don't like it now.

I don't like the way this was rolled out.

And

we'll have to wait and see.

But if you actually read the executive order, ask people that the first thing.

Have you read the executive order?

Before we talk about this, because it's really short, would you just mind getting online and just read it real quick?

Because we may be arguing over nothing because it's not a Muslim ban.

And when you read it, and it's pretty simple to read, when you read it, you're like, oh.

Oh, okay.

I mean, I heard it all through the media, and then I got online yesterday, and and I actually read it, and I'm

like, I,

all right, is this, there must be another executive order because it's, I don't have a problem with this one.

I mean, I don't like the way it's, I don't like the way it was done again.

A little messy.

And it's messy.

But again, that's not what I'm hearing reported on TV.

Right.

They are focusing on, obviously, the...

the cases where, you know, there was a five-year-old kid who was flying back from Iran.

He was trying to meet his parents in the airport and he was detained for several hours.

I hear one more time that the guy who might win the award from, you know, the academy from Iran can't make it to the Oscars.

Oh, boo-hoo.

I mean, I'm...

Oh,

no, not the Oscars.

There is a specific line in the executive order that is supposed to deal with situations like this.

There better be.

If you don't think the Iran Oscar guy or lady, whoever it is, is supposed to be,

you don't think that they should be banned from coming here, there is a process where they can say, okay, this person's not a threat and they can come.

Now, they, again, didn't handle that rollout well, and the process is not well defined.

However, there is an opportunity for that is built into it.

The exceptions are built into the executive order.

And, you know, immigration policy is handled by the executive office largely.

And, you know, he has a pretty wide berth to do things like this.

And it's not a Muslim ban.

As we just discussed, there's a possibility that Shia Muslims from many of these countries could be considered religious minorities.

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Zudi Jasser.

He is one of the most outspoken voices inside Islam of saying the United States government is playing footsie with all of the wrong people.

He is a reformer,

and Islam, as it is known in much of the Middle East, needs to be reformed.

It's why so many people come here and they are petrified of the people that we are allowing in.

I wanted to talk to him about the so-called Muslim ban and get his take on what Donald Trump did over the weekend.

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Zudi,

welcome to the program.

Glad you're here, sir.

Glenn.

It's great to be with you.

Thank you for having me.

And,

you know, thank you for letting me work on reforming this.

I will tell you, Zudi,

you're a hero to me because

we all know what happens to those who speak out against radical Islam, especially if you're in Islam and you are a proud Muslim.

You have been warning that the United States is in with the wrong guys for a very long time.

First, let me ask you this question.

Has anyone from the Trump administration reached out to you yet to bring your organization into the fold?

Not yet.

Not yet.

I think they're obviously been very busy the last week, so maybe we'll give them a pass on that.

I certainly have worked with a number of the folks he's appointed.

So I look forward to helping them.

navigate these waters.

And as we saw in the last few days,

they got to get ahead of the messaging game because

the left will use identity politics and exploit us Muslims whenever possible for their own benefit.

Okay, so, Zudi, tell me what your thoughts are about this so-called what the media is calling a Muslim ban.

It's not a Muslim ban.

I mean, it's absurd.

They're pausing from seven countries that Obama had already listed as hotspots.

I would have added, if you're going to start, I would have added Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Pakistan, at least, since those are probably the primary cauldrons of radical Islamism.

But, you know, having said that, the bottom line is that

it's important to realize it's a pause, it's not a ban, that America was founded in a battle against theocracy.

And to say that currently folks coming in had been vetted is absurd.

The vetting that the Obama administration used was a anti-terrorism, anti-violent extremism vetting, which included no ideology.

And I actually debated last night on Fox, the head of the International Rescue Commission, and he couldn't come up with one evidence that they're vetting against jihadism or Islamism.

So the pause is necessary, but the implementation has certainly been haphazard the last few days.

And if you get this wrong and we lose the messaging, you know, America should never lose its beacon on a hill as being that.

place where people come for refuge for for freedom and liberty.

We don't want theocrats here, and it's very pro-Muslim, pro-modern Islam to say that we don't want theocrats here.

And, you know,

for people like Senator Schumer to say that, to shed false tears and say that somehow this is going to feed into the anti-American narrative is absurd when Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia have accepted zero, zero refugees in.

So to say that it's anti-Muslim to just put a pause on a very anemic program anyway from the Obama administration is absurd.

Sudhi,

why doesn't Saudi Arabia take any

Muslim refugees?

Two things that

should be

clear to Americans, which is number one, is

they are

anti-Islamist as far as the grassroots viral movement.

They claim to be against the Brotherhood, and they realize the ideology that they're spreading and how it'll bite them in the rear end.

So while they're with us, they're the firefighters.

They're also the arsonists.

So they get it.

Secondly, the refugees get it also.

They don't want to go to places as bad or worse than what they're fighting for freedom in Syria for.

So there's two things there that make it pretty much a mutual hate between

the majority of refugees who really want to be free and away from the dual genocide happening from ISIS and from the Assad and Iranian regime.

Okay, so I know this would be

a pure guess, but

we let 15,000 or 100,000, let's just say a round number, we let 100,000 people in,

and they're Muslim refugees.

From that part of the world, any idea

how many,

what percentage

have been radicalized?

Well,

this is the key question, and this is what we've been screaming from the rooftops for the last eight years, actually, you know, five years, obviously, since the revolution.

But studies have shown in Europe, 20 to 25 percent of refugees have sympathies for ISIS.

Sympathies.

Now they're not radical as far as how do you define radical?

Are they militants who are trying to commit acts of violence?

No, they'll pass the muster for do they belong to ISIS?

No.

But just as in the Cold War, these are ISIS sympathizers.

They believe in the cause.

They believe in Islamic State, a caliphate, et cetera.

So when you ask, is the Trump administration engaging us?

They haven't yet.

And we want them to use our Muslim Reform Movement document, which is a two-page declaration that we stand against the core principles of an Islamic State.

And if Muslims believe in that, which is true for seventy percent to eighty percent that are coming here, then we should welcome them.

And actually what that'll do is Americans, when they see refugees coming that embrace those principles and they aren't doing acts of wanton crime on the streets as they are in Germany and Sweden and elsewhere, it'll make them more endeared to the cause.

So and everyone wins if we start vetting against theocratic fascism.

Zudi, what should the president be doing now?

Who should he be standing with?

Who should he be talking with?

What should he be doing to control this message?

Well, you know, this is the issue is that he wrote an executive order, gave himself 120 days, and, and

we're trying to make up for eight years of dysfunction and blindness, willful blindness in Washington.

So, to make up for that, he talked about a commission on radical Islam.

I hope it's called a commission on radical Islamism, but he needs to convene that.

I think ideally, it should be chaired by a Muslim.

We've got reformers that sign our declaration from that include

Shireen Qadosi, Ezra Nomani,

Rahil Raza, Majid Nawaz in Britain, you know, a Danish parliamentarian.

There are many of us out there that can become resources for saying, you know, this isn't a war against Islam.

It's a battle within the House of Islam that we're going to take sides on.

And let's reinvigorate, they called it in the last few decades public diplomacy, but in the Cold War, it was the U.S.

Information Agency.

Let's start.

radio-free, you know, liberty in the Middle East and start putting our so-called allies on notice that, you know what, the gig's up.

We realize that you might be with us on that last step to kill the terrorists, but you're certainly not with us on the previous hundred steps of radicalization, which is ideology that makes them anti-Western, anti-Semitic, and really are fueling our own demise.

How do you give somebody the argument?

They're going into the office today, and they are

going to sit with some of their liberal friends who are going to start regurgitating everything that the media has said this weekend.

Help them win this argument.

The argument of,

let's role play here.

I'm going to be the liberal friend and you play the Trump supporter or the conservative, okay?

And I say,

hey, good job this weekend, huh?

Your guy just

made us look like the laughing stock of the world.

Everybody's against this.

This is an un-American, this Muslim ban.

How do you respond?

I would say you just don't get it.

The most American thing, our founding fathers, were Christians who loved their faith, but yet pushed back against theocracy.

There's nothing more American than having a president.

This is not a Muslim ban.

This is not preferential for Christians.

The word Muslim or Christians is not in it.

It talks about persecuted religious minorities, which would include Muslims within those countries that are dissidents, that are even within the majority Sunnis that might be fighting against the government.

So there is nothing more American.

Yes, my guy might be getting the messaging wrong.

I think he needs to be clearer about that.

The implementation might have been wrong.

But the bottom line is we finally have somebody in the White House who is not only on the side of the Islamists, but actually taking them on and saying that we need to be more discerning and not have this national fratricide where we allow anybody in just because they claim to be Muslim.

And by the way, your side is using this as a political football to basically claim identity politics when Islam is an idea.

It's an ideology.

It's not a race.

So stop racializing a global faith community that has a deep problem of jihadists.

Sudhi,

one last question.

Do the would the Sunnis I think it's the Sunnis.

No, the Shias in in Syria, do you believe they would qualify as being a religious minority that

is

being picked on or threatened?

That's a great question.

You know, those who say that Assad and his partnership with Iran, he's a secularist, is just absurd.

There are certainly Shia minorities that are persecuted by ISIS,

and those would be persecuted minorities.

Alawite minorities that try to take on the regime, that is, Alawite is a faction of Shia Islam.

So those are persecuted.

But the bottom line is: I'm of the belief that the Assad regime, through its cooperation with Hezbollah and Iran, are jihadists.

They're just Shia jihadists, and they're battling against Sunni jihadists.

So there are minority, persecuted minorities on both sides of the equation in Syria.

And there's actually a third side, which is really those who are just trying to be free and stop the oppression, both from the Assad regime and from the ISIS militants.

Zudi, thank you very much.

I appreciate it.

And you can hear Reform This on the Blaze Radio Network Saturdays at noon.

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Thank you, Zudi.

I appreciate it.

God bless.

You too.

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I say to Stu, so what's been on your mind on the news?

He said, well, I've got a good soda story.

Of course you do.

Well, it's the most important thing going on in the world.

And it's, again, you want to talk about bans?

Bans that are damaging to our world?

Completely unacceptable bans.

Yeah.

How about France?

France has banned unlimited soft drinks and refills.

Now,

this is the sort of thing that concerns me and will actually affect my life.

It is now illegal to sell unlimited soft drinks at a fixed price or offer them unlimited for free in France.

The number of overweight or obese people in France is below the EU average, but is on the rise.

The World Health Organization recommends taxing sugary drinks.

Oh, well, that's a good reason for it.

Linking them to obesity and diabetes, which is so stupid.

I mean,

we've gone over these arguments before, but it's like, it's not just drink.

Like, they just figure picture, they take one little category that they want to vilify.

It's the old Sololinsky thing.

They separate it, and then they just vilify it.

They target it, and they try to make it into a big thing.

For whatever reason, soda is the example here.

But this is another example of progressive governments around the world in this case, but it's happened here many times, that decide they know what's better for you than you.

This is

a customer benefit.

Remember, this is somewhat new in the United States.

I mean, as a kid, I remember growing up, you had to pay every time you wanted another soda.

Now there is the availability to walk up to the little soda machine and fill it back up, as I do every time I go wherever I go,

and get extra sodas and enjoy them.

And they've taken something that a business has done to help their customer have a better experience.

And because they think the customer is using it incorrectly, their choice, the government's choice, not the consumer's choice, they are taking it away.

In this case, in France, but this will come here, obviously.

And it has come here in the form of taxes and other things.

And it's the same thing we talked about with net neutrality, in that, like, they,

their net neutrality technically would ban

what I think it's T-Mobile has done, which is give you free streaming of Hulu and Netflix and Amazon video and all these things.

A great benefit to the consumer.

However, net neutrality says, well, you're not treating all companies equally when it comes to data, so you can't do that.

And the activists have fought to try to get that overturned so far unsuccessfully.

But I mean, these are benefits.

These are making your life better.

You're getting more for your money.

And yet, government wants to come out and take these things away from you.

And while, yes, sure,

all I care about is soda, it is a much larger problem than that.

And we see this in every aspect of our lives right now.

And already, tastes are changing.

The traditional soda is

going the way of sarsaparilla slowly.

Very slowly.

I mean, this is a, you're right.

This is what a lot of people are talking about in the beverage world, if I may.

Right.

However, it's a, you know, I think what you're doing is you're getting more choices that are basically just soda.

That's what I'm saying.

The traditional soda choice is going to little ponies, which I hate.

Oh, yeah.

And going to

and getting fragmented so much, it's a thing of the past.

So as they go after soda, well, what about all the other drinks that are coming out now?

I mean,

you're like, you know, energy drinks, which are just soda with more caffeine in it.

Theoretically, what could, you know, they complain about even more than soda.

Yeah.

Burst your heart.

But it'll be like, oh, well, people are moving from soda to energy drinks.

What the hell do you think a monster is?

It's just a soda.

It's a soda with more caffeine in it than old timey sodas.

That's not any that's a that's no they've done something they've done something no man could has ever done before okay they have made some they've made the worst tasting product into a successful product i think you're more focusing on red bull without analysis yeah because some of the other monsters are not bad yeah a lot of the monsters

are there any of them that they're good I would say, yeah.

I mean, the monster, they have a monster absolute zero line, including the orange one, Sunrise, which I'm going to be able to do.

Yeah, that's really good.

That was really good.

There's a lemonade one.

The citrus one is really delicious.

I need to try one.

I had Red Bull.

Oh my gosh.

No, Red Bull is distinctly different than the Monster Zero Line.

Yes, the Monster Zero Line is different.

How was Red Bull ever successful?

I don't know.

My theory on this, because you're right, it tastes like, I don't know, antifreeze.

Oh, yeah, it does.

It's like jet fuel or something.

And you can get to a point where you get used to it, but why would you need to?

There's no reason for that.

I honestly thought maybe they marketed it as I have no evidence of that stuff.

up.

They marketed it.

They actually intentionally made it taste bad so you thought you were doing something really like, wow, like,

I am really down in some caffeine here.

Like it's almost to stand out.

They made it taste a little strange.

Like, because they just had a

be interesting to find out if that's what they did.

Because whatever they did, it worked.

Because there's no way.

I mean, you can make soap taste better than that.

Right.

And now they've gone, Red Bull has released several other flavors and they're much better tasting, though still not as good as the monsters or the amps or the venoms of the world.

I mean, but we could talk to this all day.

Is that what you want?

Not really.

Because the venoms, they're only 99 cents, which is really what gives you the big benefit there.

I mean,

they're very strong, though, if you don't like sweet flavors, because they taste a little bit, they're almost jolly rancher-ish at times.

Oh, my gosh.

So they're pretty strong, but you can deal with that.

Cost-effective and delicious.

Good thing that I can't get a refill, but on the way home,

I can stop by at my 7-Eleven and get a monster.

Twice the caffeine, twice the sugar.

Oh, much more than twice.

Twice everything that is bad for you.

Let's talk about AMP and Rockstar.

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Differentiates from Munch.

Rehab has the tea and lemonade flavor, so you're going to have a pink and lemonade.

I'm not actually trying to rehab off it.

No, you're not rehabbing off the energy drinks.

You want to drink more out of the energy drinks, but I'm just saying, it's like maybe if you had a late night, maybe there's some other alcoholic drink, you're going to come back with a monster.

I hate to get the rest of it.

This is a fascinating conversation, it really is.

But I think

I know, but I think about eight minutes on it is enough.

Did you see what's on the Amazon bestseller list?

Yes, I think I did.

How do you feel about that?

Can you give the titles?

I can't remember the titles.

Yeah, Sinclair Lewis, the novel It Can Happen Here,

which is about the fascist takeover of the United States.

Right.

And 1984.

Yes.

About the fascist takeover.

Again, like it's funny from the perspective of they were calling you a conspiracy theorist

this entire time.

Right.

I do find that to be fascinating.

Right.

And the Sinclair Lewis book is a book about an election against FDR where some other senator who winds up being a fascist takes control and does a lot of the things like immigration controls and the type of things that Trump is either doing or being accused of doing by the left.

And that's one of the reasons why it's risen up the charts so quickly.

Fahrenheit 451 is also on the charts, as is Animal Farm.

Wow.

But we were crazy to think that authoritarianism could happen through executive order.

We were crazy.

Oh, it drives me.

I can't watch television or listen to the news anymore.

I really can't.

I have to read it because I just get, I lose my mind.

I hear them arguing on TV and I'm like,

wait, wait.

Suddenly you're concerned about all of this stuff?

It drives me out of my mind.

I can't take it.

However, we are seeing some movement.

We heard a tweet from Donald Trump this morning saying that we will find out who the Supreme Court justice is,

at least who he's nominating, tomorrow at 8 p.m.

Eastern Time.

We think from the White House, he's going to make the announcement.

Get the work on who we have and who we think it's going to get you.

Give me the top picks here in a second.

As he's looking for that, let me just say this.

This didn't bother me at all.

No, no, it didn't.

I couldn't even read the story.

The headline.

Travel ban is the clearest sign yet of Trump advisors' intent to reshape the country.

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my God.

You mean, like when he said fundamental transformation of the United States of America, and then he was surrounded by a bunch of radicals who were hell-bent on reshaping the country and the Constitution.

You mean you're concerned about something like that happening?

No, that's a conspiracy theory.

Okay, I'm over it.

You have the Supreme Court justices.

There's a couple here to talk about.

We've talked about Pryor, a decent amount.

Now, Pryor is a pretty conservative judge generally.

I know you had some people who were doing the background checking and were concerned about a couple of different areas

with religious freedoms.

And so that's one

that has been talked about a lot.

And he is a concern to the evangelical pack.

Pryor is.

And also, what's the other one?

Neil Gorsuch.

Gorsuch.

Now, Gorsuch,

in reading about him fairly extensively, I think he seems like a pretty good choice.

Now, there are some people who have some concerns over him.

Yeah, the religious community has

a problem with Gorsuch and Pryor.

The leaders of the evangelical community say

that's a problem.

Those two are no-goes.

Now, Now, neither one of them, though, is exclusively bad for these cases.

For example, Neil Gorsuch

agreed with the correct side, in my opinion, of the Hobby Lobby case,

the Little Sisters of the Poor, wasn't it?

Little Sisters.

That one as well, which is another Obamacare-related case he was correct on.

You know, he's had several pretty good rulings when it comes to religious freedom.

Yeah, he is apparently sketchy on

transgenderity, transgenderism, the bathrooms and things like that.

And the latest to come out was that last week he goes to one of these very progressive churches and his female pastor was at the women's march and she said,

you know, it was the first time that she really felt really connected to humanity.

Was that that?

Neil's like,

stop talking, please, for a couple of weeks.

But that's just guilt by association.

That means nothing.

Right.

It may mean something, but it may not.

I mean, he's several, you know, who ruled,

you know, on the public displays of religion.

He's ruled on the correct side of that several times.

He's pretty good on

things

like the Second Amendment.

He's very good on the Commerce Clause.

Reading his stuff on the Commerce Clause was interesting and, you know, positive.

Seems to be on the right side of that as well.

And this is is where we got this.

I love this thing where it was the dormant commerce clause.

Remember this?

We talked about this earlier.

The dormant commerce clause isn't a particularly hot-button issue, nor does it have an obvious liberal-conservative fault line, but it's noteworthy that criticism of the dormant commerce clause is a piece with a criticism of the right to privacy that undergirds the Supreme Court's abortion jurisprudence, as well as the other judge-made doctrines that do not have a strong connection to the constitutional text.

What do you mean they don't have a strong connection to it?

it?

They're either in there or they're not in there.

Gorsuch's opinion seemed to follow the lead of

people like Scalia in expressing great skepticism towards doctrines which allow judges to strike down duly enacted local laws on the basis of vague principles that cannot be found in the concrete text of the Constitution.

That's just making crap up.

If there's no words in there that support what you're saying, you're just making crap up.

Judicial activism.

How is there another argument to to that?

You have a Constitution.

It has words in there.

You can read the words in the Constitution multiple ways, potentially.

However, if the words aren't in there, you can't put them in there unless you amend the Constitution.

There shouldn't be another side to that argument.

But Gorsuch seems to be on the right side of that.

One that is kind of interesting from

the list of 20, and we don't know for sure he's going to pick from that 20.

I would be very surprised if Abish pick is

from that 20.

You know, it's one of those things that he might pick one of them, try to push him through.

If it doesn't work, he might go outside the 20.

I could totally see that happening, but I would assume his first pick is going to come from that 20.

There's another justice, Thomas Hardeman, who's interesting for a couple ways, reasons at least.

He's 51 years old.

He is seen as similar to Justice Alito.

And he's been very good on the Second Amendment.

He's got some really good rulings.

There's some areas of concern.

However, just speaking as Donald Trump, the way Donald Trump tends to think in these situations, uh, he's worked closely with his sister, he has a good, close relationship with his sister.

Sis, who do you trust on this list?

And this is the way he usually handles the people he's done business with before.

You know what?

I trust you.

You know, I've seen you're good in these situations.

Now, he had mentioned his sister initially as the choice, no one expects that to happen.

However, if his sister has good experience with a justice,

and Hardiman has sided with her on several important cases

and including some

some cases relating to the Second Amendment

it's interesting to see if he would go that way and sort of trust his sister's judgment assuming they do have this good relationship that has been reported we don't know for sure

one one scary thing and I think this will scare most people in the audience

the the write-up on his abortion positions was he has not weighed in directly on issues of abortion that's kiss of death Now, again, we've seen this from several Republican presidents where they find people who have not taken views on the most controversial issues, but they're conservative, trust me.

And then you push them through and then find out, wow, they're not conservative at all, particularly on those issues.

So that is one that I think is concerning that he hasn't done that.

But I mean, you have to put him up near the top of the list because of that personal connection, I think.

So we could see that happening as well.

I mean, we have only one more day to wait, which is kind of interesting.

He's moving quickly on this, which is at least we're going to find out, and then we can fight it out from there.

Yeah, I mean, I think he's moving quickly on a lot.

Yeah.

I mean, he's moving quickly on these executive organizations.

That's him, though, right?

I mean, I saw a headline, Mr.

President, slow down.

And his response to that would be, no, keep up.

You're all low energy.

I'm high energy.

Let's go.

Yeah, I mean, I've seen criticisms of this sort of first hundred days idea, where you're supposed to come out and do all these big things in the first hundred days.

And I think it's to reward the campaign.

And I promise you I was going to do these things.

You know, of course, our system is specifically.

And you're in a honeymoon period.

Right.

Yes, that's true, too.

Our system is specifically designed to not encourage quick progress and change in our government.

That's why there are checks and balances.

It's supposed to slow the process down.

Everyone complains about we don't get enough done.

That's probably better for you because most of the time the stuff they get done screws you up in other ways.

Now, some of this stuff I obviously agree with, you know, some of the stuff Donald Trump is doing.

You know, he hasn't really, you know, we haven't gone deep into the legislative well yet.

You know, I think there are executive orders that you can reverse.

One of the ones we were promised on day one, I believe, was a reversal of the DACA immigration proposal from proposal edict by Barack Obama.

And for some reason, we're not getting that one, which was probably the one most talked about in this context.

Trump's administration has said we're going to try to work through that one legislatively and get a long-term solution to it.

Hopefully that does occur.

Although the long-term solution usually is part of comprehensive immigration reform.

So I'm a tad nervous about that.

This is an executive order that

Obama did, could be easily reversed by executive order.

It is not one that even people like us who don't like executive orders, generally speaking, are going to have a problem with because you're just undoing previous damage, right?

You're undoing an executive order.

And that, to me, is a much, much more justifiable use of that than

just kind of coming up with something new off the top of your head, which is what Obama was doing.

Yeah,

I don't like these executive orders at all.

I want them to repeal the Obama executive orders and any other order from any other president, including Reagan, that is just not constitutional.

Repeal them.

Repeal them.

Yeah, because some of it is just going to be rulemaking that isn't a big deal.

But when you're making major policy changes with executive order, it's wrong.

Let me give you this one.

This is from hot air.

President Trump's latest executive order is as good as executive orders come.

Here are some of the details.

If you are an

employment employee of the government, once you leave,

your post-employment restrictions on communicating with employees of your former executive agency.

So if you're in the EPA, you leave the EPA, you can't go contact your people who you used to work with and influence them to try to move them towards some company you now work for, right?

Makes sense.

Upon leaving government service, you won't engage in lobbying activities with respect to any covered executive branch for the remainder of the administration.

So

you're not going to do that at least until the next president comes in.

You will not, after the termination of your employment in the United States government, engage in any activity on behalf of any foreign government.

We all agree with that.

You will not accept gifts from registered lobbyists.

Certainly agree with that.

Here's the breakdown from Hot Air.

There's still a massive problem.

Trump is doing this action through executive order instead of letting it go through the legislative process.

Why is this not being

available?

All of these things would be popular.

Why wouldn't you just go through the legislative process?

The Constitution is quite clear on which branch originally comes up with the rules.

From Article 1, Section 8, Subsection 14, the Congress shall have the power to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces.

Trump is acting as CEO of the government, which you've brought up several times, Glenn.

He is not CEO of the government.

He is used to doing things his way without having others to sign off on his actions.

He's taking another page from Barack Obama's playbook, but he's promising to do it right.

And he said, this is a quote from a few months ago with Trump.

I mean, Obama led the way, to be honest with you.

I'm going to use them much better, and they're going to serve a much better better purpose than he's done.

Well, who decides what is good and what is bad?

Is it the person in power?

And I think the answer to that is yes in this particular case.

And I'm not comfortable with that standard.

You know, we have a constitution set up to avoid that standard specifically.

That's why we're so battled.

We're so battle-hardened now, because it's about personalities, because it's your guy or my guy, and your guy is going to destroy us, my guy is going to save us, or vice versa.

And so

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Let me go to Jenny in Texas.

You're in Victoria, Texas, where there was a mosque burned down?

Yes.

Yeah, on Saturday.

Yes, ma'am.

Oh, sir.

Tell me about it, Jenny.

I'm sorry.

Hello?

Yes, you're on.

Tell me about the

no, no, that's okay.

Okay, yeah,

we had a mosque that burned down overnight Saturday morning, and we got up Saturday morning.

I found out about it.

But if you Google it all over the world, it's either Trump's fault for hours after signing signing the Muslim ban,

or,

you know, we're in South Texas and we're all hicks and rednecks, and, you know, Trump's brought out the crazy people.

Nobody's waiting for the actual investigation yet.

It was actually pretty, you know, cold in South Texas.

I'm sorry to hear that, Jenny.

We'll look for the cause and make sure we report it at least.

Thanks.

Austin, pennsylvania quickly you're on the glenn beck program hi glenn i think the reason why you'd probably never get a lobbying ban or term limits through congress is because you have a lot of republicans that are just as invested in corruption so i think doing it by executive order i don't like executive orders but i think doing it by executive order does put leverage against his own party you know so if they reject it or if they fail now to codify it it brings a lot more attention to it and it makes them look pretty bad but you can't do it that way.

Like,

it creates a dictator.

I am the most pro-terminate person, limit person in America, probably.

But I mean, if he does that through executive order, there's no way that's constitutional.

You're right, it's difficult to do.

You're right.

But it is, but it's for a reason.

These are checks and balances, and you have to go through that process.

You need to amend the Constitution to

get these things done.

We just have to stand on the principle of the Constitution, or it will be lost.

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