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Welcome to the Glen Beck Program from KFYI in Phoenix, Arizona, where we're here for Charlie Kirk this week.

And I'll be attending the memorial service in Glendale, Arizona, which is Cardinal Stadium.

And the preparation for this, the logistics on this,

it's staggering.

When you look at who is coming into town for this,

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Stu is back in our studios in Dallas, where I will be on Monday.

Hello, Stu.

How are you?

Very well, Glenn.

How are you?

Good.

Good.

We're just looking at all of the logistics

today.

My team, we're getting another briefing.

We got one last night from the Secret Service, and another one I think we're getting today

on just the logistics of this Charlie Kirk memorial on Sunday.

I've never seen anything like this.

I mean, outside of like inauguration.

Yeah, I didn't realize it was at, you know, State Farm Stadium where the Arizona Cardinals play.

Like, this is, they got Super Bowls there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I, I, I don't know this, but I think,

I think Charlie has probably already had a very, very private funeral.

And this is just a memorial for the public and for his wife and everybody else.

There are so many people coming in for this.

I mean, everybody who has a voice in conservative media,

I'll be there.

Megan will be there.

Tucker will be there.

All of the voices that I think Dan Bongino is going to be there.

I don't know because they're not giving us a list on some of the,

you know, any of those people.

We're getting a list of who's going to be speaking and just who's going to be speaking alone

is

staggering, staggering.

Let's see.

You have the White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Stephen Miller.

You have Susie Wiles there.

Tucker is going to be speaking.

Donald Trump Jr.

is going to be speaking.

Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hagseth.

Listen to this.

Just think designated survivor.

National Intelligence Director, Tulsi Gabbard.

Defense Secretary, Pete Hagseth.

Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F.

Kennedy Jr.

Secretary of State, Marco Rubio.

Erica Kirk.

Vice President, J.D.

Vance, and President Donald Trump.

I mean, God forbid there's an earthquake and the earth opens up and swallows Cardinal Stadium.

Who is running the country?

I mean, who really?

Who is left?

And those are the people that are going to be speaking.

The crowd is going to be let in.

I think the doors open at 7 a.m.

The event begins at 11.

And it is, from what I heard, it is packed, packed, like all the tickets are gone.

The

dignitaries and

friends and everything else, all of the people that need the Secret Service protection, because we're not allowed to bring in our own security, if your security is private, credentialed, and has a badge and officially sworn in by

an official police agency,

you can they can escort you to your seat on the field, but then they have to leave.

So all of us that I know of, you know, all of our people, we all have security, especially now.

And so they have to stand in the tunnel, and the Secret Service is going to protect the floor.

I mean, they're protecting the whole building, but everybody is under Secret Service protection on the floor.

I don't know how many people are on the floor, but that's the field is going to be done just by the dignitaries.

Then the rest of the stadium is full of the regular folk.

And when I say regular folk, I mean you could be sitting next to really big names in the stadium because I know people that aren't sitting on the floor that are huge.

I mean,

the intellectual, spiritual,

and political powerhouse.

that is, I mean, this is historic in so many ways.

They're saying

it opens at 7.

The doors open at 7.

I think a prayer service starts at 8 or 9.

That'll go until about 11.

The official thing begins at 11, and I'm talking Pacific time,

begins at 11.

They're saying I think it goes till 2 or 3,

maybe 2 o'clock.

And then they're saying it could take three hours to get out of the stadium.

Not in,

out of the stadium.

Might take three hours.

That is like, I've never seen anything like it.

Yeah, Glenn, on the speakers list that you mentioned, a couple of things that really indicate Charlie Kirk and who he was, I think, out of that speaker list.

One is, as we all know, inside this White House, inside the conservative movement right now, there are a lot of different factions, right?

There's, you know, the RFK movement is totally different than several, like it's all throughout there.

The fact that every group is represented widely there shows the sort of coalition building that Charlie Kirk did.

He was friends with everybody.

He talked to everybody.

Even when he disagreed with them, he'd be respectful and he'd cheer you on.

I mean, there's so many people that have released messages about how they've went through a tough time and Charlie was always there for them, even if he wasn't maybe exactly aligned with every little bit of their politics.

And that is a really fascinating part of this.

And the second part I thought was interesting was Susie Wiles, who

a fascinating person to be speaking at that.

If you think about her, she's not the most media

forward person.

She's not the person you'd think of as like the biggest personality or the biggest name on that list.

She's a powerhouse.

But she's a powerhouse and she's also.

central to the operation, right?

It shows how central Charlie was to the White House and how connected he was and how closely he was working with them on a day-to-day basis.

Aaron Powell, Jr.: So I'm surprised, and maybe this is being covered, and I wish there was more of it.

I suppose this is being covered

prior to the event because they're doing worship service prior to.

But I'm shocked that

there isn't a and I don't even know who this person is.

I mean, I have my own opinions, but

whoever the Billy Graham is of

the the day, you know,

nobody like that is speaking because it was so central to who he is.

I am surprised at that.

I know there's going to be prayers and everything else, but to not have

a Billy Graham-style speaker is interesting to me.

Again, maybe covered, you know,

definitely going to be covered prior to the event, at the event, but any coverage nationwide is going to start at 11 a.m.

Now, maybe they'll be checking in and out.

I'm sure they will, you know,

like a pregame, if you want to look at it that way.

But the pregame is not, you know, is not the game.

And I'm surprised that that isn't just because of who Charlie was.

And we don't have all the details right of everything they're going to do.

I would assume his pastor is probably going to be speaking as well, and someone who is very, very important to Charlie.

We'll see.

I will tell you, though, but being at TPUSA, God is everywhere.

I mean, the people that I have met at TPUSA this week and I've seen,

you can just see it in their eyes.

I'm halfway convinced.

I only say this because

nobody knows.

Nobody has any idea.

But I'm halfway convinced that

the mark of the beast is going to be actually more like just looking somebody in the eye.

You know,

you can feel it.

When you look at somebody in the eye and they have the spirit of Christ all over them, they just feel different.

They look different.

You can see it in their eyes.

At least I feel like I can.

You can see it.

And

this campus has the mark of the good side all over.

You look at people in the eyes this week and you can see it and you can feel it.

It's really amazing.

Yeah, that was one of the things that, you know, I was only dropping in, you know, for 24 hours, but really impressed by the people at TPUSA, you know who some of whom we've met over the years I'd never been to the campus before but in the middle of all of this the way they're dealing with this

really gives you beyond just the respect for Charlie and all the things that you'd expect out of a moment like this really gives you hope for what they're doing there the hope for the movement hope for what Charlie's vision was

they are there they are dedicated and somehow are not at all thwarted by this they are strengthened,

which is incredible.

Only really strong, amazing people can handle this type of thing that way.

I will tell you, if you're a praying person, pray for them really hard in the next couple of weeks because we've all kind of been sitting for, what is it,

Shiva?

Is that what it's called in the Jewish?

You know, you come and you sit with people, I think, for the first week, you know,

after the death, and you just come and you sit with the family.

And that's kind of what we've all been doing.

We've just kind of been here with the TPUSA family, kind of just sitting with them and listening to them and talking to them and making sure they know that they're not alone.

But if you've been through a family funeral of somebody big in the family, everybody goes home.

And that's when you say, I'm worried about mom.

I'm worried about mom because now everybody's now she's just at home alone, you know, and she's back to her old routine.

And

that's when mind games can start playing with you.

So really pray for them in the coming weeks.

It's nuts.

It's nuts.

By the way, on this topic, I have an announcement to make on Monday.

I'll be making it on Monday in conjunction with TPUSA.

So make sure you're listening to the broadcast.

I would imagine Erica is going to talk about, you know, she's just been made CEO of TPUSA.

And,

you know, her mother was

a working mom.

And so she was raised by a really powerful working mother.

And,

you know, this is for Erica to share at some point.

So I don't get into any of the details.

She was talking to me about how Charlie shared absolutely everything with her.

And that he,

I think, I don't know how she would feel, but

I got this impression kind of from talking to her.

The way the things that they were talking about before he went out on this tour, I think he might have known.

I mean, had a good inkling

and might have known.

And he left her really prepared, like in shocking ways, left her prepared for this.

So TPUSA has a strong direction that will still be coming for Charlie Kirk.

For years, literally years from now, he prepared her for things.

I hope she talks about it because

it's amazing how much foresight this guy had.

I was going to say this kid.

He's still a kid to me.

Yeah.

God, it's just...

So difficult to take.

And it's like, you know, I go back and forth.

Like I, you know, I've seen all these videos of the family and Erica and Charlie together with the kids.

And it's still so hard to watch.

I go back and forth from just being really sad about it and also just really impressed by her and the way she's handled this so far.

And you talk to people around her that know her.

And

kind of the last thing on their mind is whether or not

TPUSA will succeed.

Like they are entirely confident that she can do this,

which is great.

I mean, that's, yeah, you know, you, you know, Glenn, when you have a key person like that who is no longer with an organization, you never know what's going to happen.

I mean, how many times have we seen great organizations that have turned, you know, the wrong way?

Apple.

Apple.

Yeah, I mean, Disney would be the one that came popped to my mind right away.

You don't know what's going to happen after that.

That does not seem to be a worry at all by the people who really know Erica and the other people in leadership there.

And that is a, again, you're looking for the

silver lining.

You got to look, obviously, very hard in moments like this, but

you at least be a little bit confident in where we're going.

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You know,

it says an awful lot about the left that they're so concerned about Jimmy Kimmel.

And now Jimmy Kimmel is the victim in this Charlie Kirk thing.

It just speaks volumes to me.

They're now calling Stephen Colbert a martyr.

It's really gross and offensive.

And the reason why Jimmy Kimmel,

I'm glad that he was fired,

was the fact that he didn't apologize for complete false information.

All he had to do was apologize for it.

He gave false information and now word is he's already found another job and he's going to double down.

He said this has lit a fire under him and he's going to double down.

We are being sorted.

It's not like you're realizing, oh my gosh, look at how many bad people there are because they've all suddenly started to be bad.

No, you're just noticing now the people who have been quiet.

They're now being exposed.

Their own actions are exposing them.

And

this is the great sifting.

This is the great sorting that is going on.

This should be expected and is a good thing.

You now know who the people are that

celebrate death.

We knew it

after October 7th.

We saw the people that immediately started celebrating the death of, you know, the raping of children and the burning of families and just horrible atrocities.

We now know who those people are that celebrate that kind of death.

We know the people who celebrate abortion.

Shout your abortion.

This is just a continuing of the sorting and the exposing of who people really are.

And

just know.

And I think it's a really good thing.

I like to know who my enemy is.

And I can't say enemy.

I'd like to know

those who are so misguided, so misinformed, and so on the wrong track that they have made me an enemy.

They're not my enemies.

They're enemies of God and God's principles and freedom.

And God will sort all that out.

We just have to stand up for what we know is right and never, ever give in.

But the conspiracies that are going around, they're now saying that Charlie Kirk's own people killed him.

It's reprehensible what is going on.

It's just reprehensible.

And all that has to be done is you to know what the truth is, be very vocal about it,

and just

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That's all you have to do.

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Let me start with, actually, Sarah, I want to start with cut two.

I want to start with something good that will show you that there is decency out on the left.

And I don't know how to square this in my head right now.

Rain Wilson, who

played Dwight on the office, he's a lefty, but he's always seemed like a decent guy, at least to me.

He's always seemed like, you know, a little out there, but, and, you know, we don't vote the same, but he seems like he really wants to be a decent guy, and he tries to be a decent guy, and he preaches we should all be decent to each other.

Now, somebody who I don't feel that way about is Mark Ruffalo.

And Mark is never the guy who seems to be trying to be a decent guy.

He is a bomb thrower, at least in my opinion.

Here Here he is, Rain Wilson, on his podcast with Mark Ruffalo.

Listen to this.

Country is being torn apart in so many different ways.

While I didn't agree with his ideas, shooting someone that we disagree with, even if they're vociferous and loud and out there is

so colossally

wrong-headed.

I spoke to a couple of,

let's say, some liberal friends last night at an event, and they were like, you won't find me shedding any tears.

And someone else was like, oh, well, it was a little bit of a kind of a good riddance thing.

And it's like, guys, no.

Yeah, I know.

No.

We cannot think or talk that way.

At all.

That is not okay.

That's so dangerous, man.

That's really good.

And I believe Rain.

I don't know how to put it together with what I know from Mark Ruffalo, but hopefully he means that.

So Mark actually chimes in a little bit later, and of course, he

shifts the conversation to gun control, which was so frustrating because there was actually a human conversation going on for a little while, but then Mark shifts it back to gun control.

He talks about these weapons of war, of course, that are only designed to kill people.

He clearly doesn't even know what was used as a hunting rifle.

Yeah, this was not a weapon of war.

No, this was a hunting rifle.

Probably like

old-style hunting rifle.

Old school, yeah.

Like my understanding is it's legal in almost every country, even with restrictive gun laws.

Oh, yeah.

Like this is a bolt-action rifle.

This was something that they used in World War I.

Okay.

And before.

I mean, as soon as we had any kind of modern firearm with a bolt action, with something that slams into the back of the bullet to set off the fuse and the igniter,

that's how old this gun is.

This isn't a modern weapon of war.

It doesn't take a modern weapon of war.

You want to kill somebody.

You can kill them.

It's the society that is so sick.

And how do people miss this?

Honestly, how are people missing that this is a societal problem?

This isn't a gun problem.

This is a societal problem.

And you want to see it.

Here's Elon Omar.

She was at a town hall event in Minnesota, and she's talking to a concerned citizen about the Charlie Kirk situation.

Here she is, cut three.

So I'm just wondering which approach is better to call upon those who disagree with you to come to open debate and dialogue or to say that those who disagree with you and have a different worldview are full of

so you must have selective hearing sir because I said that the people who are full of the people who were saying

that Kerber

was civil

for public execution of people he disagreed with is not civil The person who said, you are a black woman, you lack the ability to process thoughts, it's not simple.

The person who said, because I am a Muslim, I cannot be in this country because I want to destroy Western society, is not civil.

The person who said, a 10-year-old,

stop, stop.

I'm just,

I don't want to play you.

I just want to show you, this is the Jimmy Kimmel disease.

This is somebody who is just making quotes up, just saying things that are are absolutely untrue.

There's no basis of reality in that.

And so

I would say kindly

to this woman who I believe

married her brother,

that she is wildly misinformed, and she can either inform herself or she should face some ramifications of smearing somebody.

This is lawsuit territory.

You just just can't say these things about people that are so grossly wrong.

This isn't just

a difference of opinion on how to read it.

He didn't say those things.

He didn't say those things.

And

it's sick.

It's really, truly sick.

Do we have, but this is what I expect from some of these places,

Michigan, Minnesota.

Do we have the audio from two days ago, Sarah?

This is the mayor of Dearborn.

Now, listen to this.

This is a city council meeting, and the mayor of Dearborn is sitting there listening to a concerned citizen.

They just renamed a street after a guy who was, what was his role?

Do you remember?

I believe he was Hezbollah or one of those groups.

Right, okay.

So

it just named him, it just named this boulevard after a guy from Hezbollah.

Okay.

And this guy shows up peaceful at a town city council meeting in Dearborn, Michigan.

I want you to hear what he says and then listen to the mayor's response.

I mean, Hezbollah,

you know, bombed the embassy in Beirut, including many Americans.

So I just feel it's quite inappropriate.

You are an Islamophobe.

And although you live here, I want you to know as mayor, you are not welcome here.

And the day you move out of the city will be the day that I launch a parade celebrating the fact that you moved out of the city because you are not somebody who believes in coexistence

excuse me you know who doesn't believe in coexistence hezbollah hezbollah does not believe in coexistence you are a racist and islamophobe because you stand against hezbollah

What kind of America are you making in Dearborn, Michigan?

When your mayor can get away with saying that and there is not an uprising to oust and recall that mayor, you are no longer living in an America that I even recognize.

To say that you are not welcome because you stand against Hezbollah

and the mayor will lead a parade the day you leave town, you're not welcome here.

I've never heard an American mayor say anything like that.

Ever.

I've never heard an American mayor say anything like that, especially at a city city council meeting where you have people coming and that's their job to sit there and listen to the people and the voice of the people and take it under advisement.

To respond that way is chilling, absolutely chilling.

Now let me go to

cut four.

This is Brendan Carr.

Brendan Carr is the commissioner for the FCC.

He's a friend of the program.

I generally agree with him.

And

I want to parse this one out because this is all about Jimmy Kimmel and what happened to Jimmy Kimmel.

And there is,

you know, ABC was looking at replacing Jimmy Kimmel months ago.

They're using this as a convenient way to get rid of him.

Okay.

Because they were looking for a replacement because

he has zero ratings, zero ratings.

In the 18, what is it, 1849 demo?

He had like 150,000 people watching.

It's lower than that.

Oh, that's that.

Yeah, it's lower than that.

129,000.

129,000.

129,000.

That is insane.

That is the ABC television network, and 129,000 people watch.

We get that on some of our YouTube videos for the love of people.

I mean, to be clear, Glenn, that's lower than the ratings that we had when we were doing a show on CNN headline news.

Headline news.

I mean, it's unbelievable.

It's not at all.

It's unbelievable how bad those are.

It's unbelievable.

Okay, so they're just use ABC is just using this as cover,

and he is getting worse and worse and worse.

But

so the sponsors, the local affiliates, and ABC wanted this to happen, but they're blaming it on Brendan Carr.

Now, I wanted to listen to this because Pat, I heard Pat talking about this today on the Blaze, and

he said, we can't go this way.

I want to listen to it again because what I heard Brendan say, I was like, I think I actually agree with him, but I'm not sure.

So let's listen to it again.

Here's cut four.

Look, again, broadcast TV is different.

We're on a cable show right now.

You don't have an FCC license.

You don't have an obligation to serve the public interest.

Podcasts don't either.

Stand-up comedians, whether they're on lots of forms of communications, don't.

And Kimball is free to do that.

But if you have a broader technology.

Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, and pause it right there.

First, let's agree that's true.

Now, you don't have to agree with what the FCC does.

You don't have to agree with the regulation on broadcast television.

That happened because of FDR.

However, that is the law.

It is the law.

They only censor broadcast television.

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Kimball is free to do that.

But if you have a broadcast TV license, that means that you have something that very few people have.

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Okay, so what so listen to what he's saying here.

He's saying that you have, and I disagree with this, actually.

I don't like the FCC.

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Believe me, my experience with the FCC.

But the FCC regulates what he said.

You have, if you have a broadcast license, you have access to people, something that everybody doesn't have, and that is the airspace.

There are only so many frequencies available.

We don't need any of that anymore as long as the internet stays alive.

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So you have that frequency, you know, 95.5

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Okay.

Now, the next thing he says is you have the right to preempt things nationally if it doesn't serve your local interests now he gets into something here that i'm not aware of and so this is where it could get fuzzy on me he says now they have outsized power the national networks have outsized power and it's the first time local broadcast has pushed back on that outsized power The license does not belong to the networks.

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What he went on to say is, I am trying to empower the local stations.

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I saw Selena Zito, who is a friend of the program, one of the best journalists I think out there, because she actually lives in the community.

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on the highways.

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I just spent 90 minutes sitting on the sideline of a kids' flag football practice.

I don't think cable news experts or many Democrats have any idea of how profoundly impacted suburban moms are over what happened to Charlie Kirk and how much they have noticed how poorly many have behaved.

I wanted to get Selena on.

She joins us here in 60 seconds.

We have that and so much more to talk about today.

We're live from Phoenix.

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Welcome, Selena.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

I'm okay.

Yeah, it's been a really tough nine days.

Can you believe it's been nine days?

It feels like it's been six months.

Yeah, it's,

you know, there's sometimes I wake up and like, oh, that didn't happen, right?

I dreamt it, right?

It couldn't have happened.

Because Charlie was such a life force.

The first time I met him, I think he was like 18 years old.

And I was just so struck by this.

by this energy and

this aspirational quality he had.

And one of the things that I think you've done really well,

and it's important to note about Charlie, he never did this for himself.

This was never about him.

It was always about bringing people together to be part of something bigger than self.

I think a lot of people in trying to understand Charlie have missed that, but you haven't.

And I think that's that I think that's real, but that's a quality a lot of people don't, you know, possess right there's always an ulterior motive there wasn't with charlie there never was it was about

faith and family yeah he just wanted to make the world a better place um you know he had his own ideas how to do that but it was never about hogging the spotlight it was he always shared the spotlight he always shared we you didn't matter where he was you know i called him uh for some advice on something uh i don't know last year i think and i called him he was in the oval with the president picked up the phone hey glenn what's happening and and i said uh hey do you have a second he said yeah i'm just with the president or just working on some stuff and i'm like i'll call you back and he's like no no no what do you need i mean that's the kind of guy he was really

yeah you know it's amazing um you you tweeted something i just spent 90 minutes sitting on the sideline of a kid's flag football practice and i don't think cable news experts or democrats have any idea how profoundly impacted suburban moms over what happened to Charlie Kirk and how they may have,

and how much they have noticed how poorly many have behaved.

What do you mean by that?

So this is something that's in my book, Butler, in that,

you know, after the president was shot, right,

I went out and I saw people that I did not expect to see with Trump shirts on or Trump hats or put them in their yard, right?

And I remember writing I interviewed people like that that's in my book and and and and also in my book was all these young people that kept showing up in droves to his events and it was Charlie it was Trump what happened to him it was also Charlie

and and so the other day I was first I went to a revival Did I tell you, I don't know if I sent that to you.

I went to a revival in the city of Pittsburgh, in a majority black historic neighborhood called the Hill District.

And there were kids coming from the busloads on Sunday

just to

witness and

to celebrate Charlie and his life, but also to celebrate their faith

with a boldness

that has been inspired by Charlie.

But to get back to your original question, I'm sitting on the sidelines about little grandsons flag football game and I'm listening to these these moms

overhearing their conversations and it was all about how my profession has behaved

in reaction to Charlie's murder.

But also how they've been

invigorated and

activated into, I mean, three of them had freedom shirts on, you know, and I was like, whoa,

something is happening.

This is very real.

This is very tangible.

And my profession isn't seeing it.

On paper, these women should be

Democrats.

They're suburban.

They're college educated.

Right.

I mean, they're the demo that you

live and they live in suburbs.

They're the demo you expect

Democrats to

feel for them to go towards the Democrats.

And instead, they were talking about,

I can't believe that he was murdered.

I can't believe how they're covering this.

I want to get my kids out of school.

I want to homeschool them.

Several of them had just gone away for the weekend because they couldn't handle the way that things were being talked about.

And there is

an awakening going on that I don't see.

So I word to

I don't think my profession or Democrats understand.

Just in the past four days,

in places like Somerset, Pennsylvania, the city of Pittsburgh,

Shippingsburg, Pennsylvania, Hemfield, Pennsylvania, Ligonier, Pennsylvania, hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of people have just been showing up in their little town squares, right?

These are small Pennsylvania towns, most of them, with gazebos in the middle, right?

And

with just candles and just they're praying and

a lot of them are really, really young.

And, you know, people talked about

when you and I were growing up, right, the counterculture, the coal people, right?

That's the counterculture.

We're looking at the counterculture and it's not, and it's people of faith and purpose.

I know.

It's not the bad guys.

How do you think people are, you know, two questions.

One, I see these polls that have just recently come out that are shocking, that show young people are much more authoritarian than

any of their Gen X and even Gen Z

counterparts, that

this new

generation has been indoctrinated from the beginning, and they are starting to look at authoritarian rule.

How do you square that?

Do you believe those polls?

Well, it's not that I don't believe the polls.

It's where is the polling coming from?

Are you polling in New York City?

Are you polling in L.A., Chicago?

Are you pulling on college campuses, which, by the way, would be the easiest way to do it if you're a pollster, right, and you want to capture a certain demographic?

But that's not the experience I have had.

And we have to remember, Glenn, that oftentimes what we see coming from our cultural curators, meaning big legacy media, right?

Corporations, institutions, academia,

a lot of that is coming from

the super zip codes in the country, except in the super zip codes in the country, right, where the where wealth and power

is at the center of everything, those places don't decide elections.

Those places don't don't make what makes this country go and move.

And so I think that if you're pulling, if you're not pulling from Somerset, Pennsylvania, then you're not getting the full breadth of understanding what is happening in this country.

I remember last year

when writing Butler and thinking, nobody is seeing what's happening.

They're really not.

They're not understanding how what a sea change is happening in this country.

And I'm standing in the exact same place again, only it's bigger.

It's broader.

So I'm looking at the reaction of

those on the left last week and this week to Charlie Kirk.

And then I'm watching how I read a story today where Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel were literally called martyrs.

And, you know, I've been in this business enough.

I can read ratings.

I know what advertisers, if you don't have advertising, if you're not getting sales and you're costing more than it costs to put the show on, you're not there long.

And I really believe ABC, I mean, CBS, they fired Stephen Colbert because it was costing them twice as much to produce than what they were making.

That doesn't last unless you're in a communist society.

The thing with Jimmy Kimmel is they were trying to find ways to get rid of him.

And I think ABC saw this opportunity and was like, Yep, yep, community standards, they know they want him off.

And so they're getting rid of him.

And now, Jimmy, the word is that Jimmy is really upset about this.

And so he's doubling down and he's already looking for a new job.

And he's got one and he's going to go, you know, tell the public what really is going on and double down on his hatred for Trump and everything else.

I see the reaction of this Jimmy Kimmel thing, and I think,

I can't believe the American people are buying into this and that this is helping the people on the left at all.

No,

no, it's not.

And they're reporting this from their bubble, right?

Just to use a cliche, it is a bubble.

This is the same,

they all talk to and see the same people all the time.

And so, you know, nobody's going to tell them, oh, you're seeing this in the wrong way.

Look,

markets change all the time.

You know that, and I know that because we're in a business that's always fluctuating.

But so are American people.

Where were, like, think about the steel worker in the 1970s.

Did anybody come rushing to save their job when it wasn't making money for the big company?

No.

Did any reporter plop in and say, how do you feel?

Are you mad?

Are you angry?

No, they didn't.

I'm not saying I lived it, so I know they didn't, right?

But to lift up and celebrate someone

who is also not meeting

the moment with the ratings and say, well, you should still have a job.

Well, you know what?

Those steel workers still thought they should have a job, too,

right?

But you weren't making the money.

And also, more importantly, this is the thing that really bothers me.

It's the affiliates that said, we're not doing this anymore.

It is the affiliates.

They have the most power because they're the ones that need to make money.

These are stations across the middle of the country, right?

Where while D.C.

and New York don't think those people have much power, actually they turned out to have power, not just in the election, but also in deciding what is right for our culture.

And these affiliates said, yeah, we're not doing this, in particular, because Kimmel wasn't even going to apologize the next day.

You know,

he wanted to come out and clarify.

That's not an apology.

I want to ask you to hold for just 60 seconds.

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if what's happening, especially with this awakening, you know, we felt this, you know, for 10 days, 12 days after 9-11.

And then things went horribly awry and we stopped feeling this way.

We started to divide again.

And then we did things like the Patriot Act.

I want to ask you what is different this time, if anything, or what we should be prepared for.

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We're talking to Salita Zito.

She wrote on September 15th, The Awakening Few See Coming.

And it's a great article that you can find online.

But she's talking about how people are coming to church by the busloads and that there is an awakening.

that is that is here, a revival, if you will.

Is it real this time?

Is it lasting this time?

And what should we look for in the future?

What are the pitfalls so we don't do what we did after September 11th?

So,

what is different about this moment, and you know, we did come together after September 11th,

but

and to your point, it was also very brief.

It was almost shocking to the system

how brief it was.

But what wasn't a large part of coming together, it was very patriotic, but it didn't have a component of faith and purpose.

We forgot to put that in there.

And I think that's what's very different about what we're seeing today.

I've been chronicling for the past couple of years how faith has

has expanded.

I see it, I've done several stories on it, in particular among young people,

about

my little country church in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania, has gone from, you know, maybe half full two years ago to out the door every Sunday.

And it's something that has not been,

and I think

a catalyst last year was when the president was shot, right?

That was a big thing.

But Charlie was such an influence.

I feel like people don't understand how profoundly he influenced our young people and that's where our energy and power are coming from and and that's why i think this time is very very different

um i remember so so vividly glenn you at that restoring america event uh at at um oh gosh where were we we're in

yeah

restoring america i'll never it still gives me chills every time i think about you talking about hey there could be an eight or nine year old kid here that's the next George Washington.

Yeah.

Yes.

But

there are other young people out there.

Oh, we have to do that.

This event created thousands of those.

Yes.

They're everywhere and they're bold with their faith.

That's the difference.

We weren't bold with our faith.

Whatever your faith is,

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it actually doesn't even matter.

Whatever your practice is, be bold with your faith.

That's what was missing after 9-11.

Thank you so much, Selena.

I really appreciate it.

Great to hear from you.

We'll talk again soon, hopefully under happier circumstances.

God bless you.

That sounds great.

Thanks, Glenn.

All right.

Back in just a minute.

Peter Duran is with us next.

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Glenn is out in Arizona, going to be attending the memorial for Charlie Kirk on Sunday.

And it's going to be an incredible event.

You know, I think a celebration of his life.

I don't think it's going to turn into Paul Wellstone in his memorial.

It's not going to be anything.

Oh, like that.

Wouldn't that be awful?

Wouldn't that be an awful thing?

Yes.

All right.

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And he wants to tell us a little bit about America's enemies and what they're trying to do and what they're hoping we will do.

Peter, welcome to the program.

Thank you, Glenn.

Glenn, good to be here.

Peter, tell me a little bit

who our enemies are and what they are trying to do with this Charlie Kirk thing.

Right.

So Glenn, before we begin, I just want to express my thanks to you, to Stu, and the entire Blaze Network.

We all learned about Charlie's murder with you, and we grieved with you.

And we lost, as you have said, the most important defender of civil rights in our country.

But Glenn, even as we were mourning, foreign adversaries like Russia and China were trying to exploit Charlie's death.

A public murder like this witnessed around the world, well, that was not something that the Kremlin would overlook out of respect for Charlie and his family or the Americans who grieved his loss.

They mobilized Glenn to inject more anger and more confusion into our public debate.

So tell me, let's start with Alexander Dugan, a guy who I have been warning the nation about for 10 or 15 years.

I think he is extraordinarily dangerous.

And

he was at the center of some of this.

Was he not in Russia with Russia?

That's correct.

So even before we knew the identity of the alleged

shooter,

Russia, its media machine, and Alexander Dugan were mobilizing to inject their own ideas into our public debate.

Dugan was trying to manipulate the grief and anger and loss that Americans were feeling.

As you have pointed out, Glenn, Dugan wants the United States to be focused internally so that Russia will have a free hand on the bookstage.

So, what did he do?

How was he wish-casting, if you will?

Well, what Dugan did right out of the gate was to suppose that Charlie Kirk's assassination was the beginning of a civil war in the United States.

He tried to frame him, if I'm not mistaken, that's actually a quote from him.

That's a direct quote.

And I say, and I think you're right to point out he was wishcasting because he was trying to stir up the feelings of anger and confusion and lust that Americans had over Charlie's assassination.

And by injecting these ideas into our public discourse, Glenn, I have to say, it's a bit ironic that Russia and China, who still lionize their communist roots, well, these governments are fundamentally, what they're trying to do is fundamentally incompatible with the vision that Charlie Kirk had for the United States.

And that's what got my attention because I realized, oh, we are under attack right now in our information space.

So tell me, what did he mean?

I didn't understand this.

I don't know if you saw this.

He said the Democratic Party was America's Ukraine.

What does he mean by that?

What he was trying to do is

to pit the Americans against each other.

He was trying to insinuate that since Russia is in a war with Ukraine, that Ukraine is the bad guy, so to speak,

in this fight, and that Americans who don't like Ukraine, who don't like Democrats, should change how they view what's happening.

So he tried to link two unrelated things together.

Glenn, a lot of this is irrational.

It doesn't make much sense.

But that's the point.

The Russians and the Chinese do not want us to come.

Let me say it this way.

The Russian government and the Chinese government, they don't really care if we accept one narrative or another.

Their main goal is to pollute the information space with more confusion, more narratives, more alternative facts, so that they will have a free hand on the world stage.

You know,

it's amazing you say it that way because we know from, what was it, the 2020 election, we also know it from the BLM uprisings that

their bots were busy taking both sides and ratcheting up both sides.

You know, one Russian bot would be saying, you know,

all blacks are, you know, whatever.

And then the others were, you know, whites were all the bad guys.

And it was the same source, but they were taking and

turning up the vitriol and trying to get us to ignite even more than we already did.

That's right.

And think about how many posts have you and I and others seen over the last week

in the online space?

How many times did we see something and it made us feel more angry or more confused or more frustrated?

Think about this, Glenn.

A lot of times, those statements, those posts are being boosted by the bots.

They are manipulating the algorithms that feed information to us.

Russia and China have become very good at this.

And as you said correctly, they don't really care about one side or the other.

As long as we have knives at each other's throats here in the United States, that's what they want to achieve.

And that's why I have been writing about this and warning about this, because I think more Americans need to understand that our national debate isn't just between Americans.

Russia and China are trying to change how we talk to each other.

Tell me about China.

What specifically have they been doing the last nine days?

Well, their algorithm, well, let me put it this way.

Both Russia and China

are in...

They are very keen to make sure that the United States is divided, distracted, and focused on the enemies within, so to speak.

As long as we are

focused on each other, China is happy.

China is trying to put forward ideas that fundamentally conflict with the worldview and the values that Charlie put forward, that he defended.

And as you said, Glenn, he was a civil rights champion, and China doesn't want that.

No, not at all.

Please keep us informed.

Thank you so much, Peter, for everything that you do.

Please keep me informed on anything that you're seeing happening because you are spot on.

By watching Dugan and China,

you are on top of it.

You are one of the few that is really watching what's happening, especially from Dugan.

I find him to be a terrifying, terrifying guy

that is speaking almost like an Antichrist with some of the plans that he has and the doomsday view that he has about

what has to happen to the world for it to fix itself.

So thank you, Peter.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, Gwen.

You know, as

I'm sitting here and

I'm thinking about how everybody's trying to pull us apart,

I want to take you back again to Booth.

John Wilkes Booth killed Abraham Lincoln.

You know, most people don't know.

He tried to kill him before he was at the theater.

He tried to kill him at the second inaugural address in the vaults that we have at Mercury One.

You know, we are collecting and really putting into what I have said for 20 years are modern-day clay pots.

We are taking like

the

nomads did 2,000, 3,000 years ago when they knew the scriptures were being hunted.

They took and they rolled up all those scrolls and they put them in clay pots and stuffed them in the back of a cave.

So in the 1940s, this little shepherd boy comes and he throws a rock into a cave, expecting it to hear the bounce off the back of the cave.

Instead, he hears a crack

of a clay pot.

He goes in, he finds the Dead Sea Scrolls.

That's how we know that the scriptures are true

and are the same as they were a couple of thousand years ago, is because somebody saved them.

And that has kind of been the duty that I have felt felt the Lord has asked me to do is save some of the stuff and put it in clay pots.

So we have all kinds of historic things.

And one thing I have is the only picture of Abraham Lincoln and John Wilkes Booth in the same photograph.

And it's the second inaugural address.

And you can see

Lincoln, but he's very blurry because he's given a speech and he's moving.

And remember, this is the time when, you know, you didn't move when you took a picture.

And so he's very blurry.

But up at the top up the stairs off to the right you'll see right at the corner of the steps of of the capitol which was behind lincoln you see john wilkes booth and he is crystal clear he wasn't moving he was just watching lincoln at the end of that address he went crazy and just wanted to kill uh abraham lincoln because he felt we can't have peace we can't have peace what what lincoln Lincoln said that set Booth off, and he tried to kill him that day with his own bare hands.

He ran down the stairs.

Luckily, through divine providence, he tripped and he fell, but he was running towards the president and he was going to kill him with his bare hands.

He trips, he falls in between Lincoln and a police officer.

Lincoln continues to walk on.

The police officer grabs Booth by the back of the neck and pulls him up and is going to ball him out.

And then he sees who he is.

Now, Booth at the time was like Leonardo DiCaprio.

He was a very, very famous actor.

So he picks him up and he's like, oh, my gosh, Mr.

Booth, are you okay?

And he said, yes, I'm sorry.

I just wanted to say thank you to the president.

And

I hope I didn't hurt him.

And he's like, oh, no, he went on.

He was going to do it just out of passion.

Because

what he wanted was an end to this peace talk.

He wanted, and he really truly believed that that by killing Abraham Lincoln, he would set the country, the North, on fire and they would be so mad at the South that they would pick up war again.

And this time the South would win, he thought.

What set him off are the same words that should set us off onto the path of what America actually did.

And because I think these are the words that Charlie Kirk would be saying to us now, with malice toward none.

This This is going to be really hard.

Remember, he's saying this after the Civil War.

Half a million dead.

You know the size of the population at the time?

That is a staggering number of people that were killed.

Everybody was affected by the Civil War.

Everybody had somebody in their family dead.

With malice toward none, with charity for all.

With the firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right.

Think of that.

With malice toward none, charity for all.

He's talking about the people that just killed your family.

With the firmness in the right, stand up for what you know is right as God gives you the vision of what is right, meaning you may not be, but God's trying to show you this is what's right.

So as you are revealed by God to see the right,

let us strive on to finish the work that we're in.

Now you would think that's war and finishing the war.

He says to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him

who has borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace amongst ourselves and with all nations.

When the South surrendered,

We had him.

We had General Lee.

Now remember, the reason why Arlington Cemetery is where it is is because they had all these dead piling up.

And at the top of that hill, if you've ever been to Washington, D.C., you look across the river and there up the top of the hill is Arlington Cemetery, but there's this big like mausoleum looking building there.

That's General Lee's house.

And so when they were looking for a place to bury all the dead, somebody said, bury him in Lee's front yard.

Let him know when he comes home what he did.

That's Arlington Cemetery today.

That's General Lee's house and his back and front yard.

Okay?

What Lincoln said after the surrender was, let him up, let him up easily, easy,

and befriend him.

We've made peace.

Let him know there is forgiveness.

Let him know that we are not his enemy.

Take your foot off his neck.

Let him up, help him up.

That's an extraordinary thing to do.

That's what we should be doing right now.

We should not be engaged in any kind of anger.

They're going to get worse and worse and worse, but they are counting on that.

So is Russia and so is China.

They're counting on us being angry, so angry that we won't heal and bind the wounds of the nation.

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I'm in Phoenix, Arizona for the memorial service this Sunday with Charlie Kirk.

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How are you, Pastor?

I'm very good.

How are you going?

I'm good.

I'm good.

It's good to talk to you, my friend.

And thank you for the kind note this week.

I really appreciate all that you do.

I've been thinking about you a lot, praying for you, and grateful for your voice right now, bro.

I feel the same way about you.

I want to talk to you about what's happening in our churches,

but I want to start with a couple of

definitions first.

What is the definition of a martyr?

Where do we get that word?

What's it come from?

So

martyr is anchored in the original Greek word that means witness.

And so it's someone who gave clear witness to something.

So when we use the word martyr in relationship to a Christian martyr, it's someone who was faithful in their clear and uncompromising witness and explanation of the gospel and more specifically Jesus Christ.

But you could also make that as a witness of the truth of the American principles, could you not?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Because I think Charlie Kirk was a witness of both.

I got to tell you, I told Erica the other day when I saw her.

It was hard for me to say this to her.

I couldn't.

imagine a better way to go out than the way Charlie did.

And I don't mean the way

they killed him.

I mean by witnessing, having the words coming out of your mouth just three sentences before witnessing Jesus Christ and then witnessing to the truth to a group of people that were starving for it and then to be taken out.

I mean, if that's not a swift elevator or escalator ride right up to the top, I don't know what is.

Oh, it's remarkable.

And I mean, all of us have been thinking, reflecting on just, I'm sure I'm like, you haven't slept for days.

You're just, you're just, it's all you can think about.

And the irony, the poeticness, or how do you want to say it, the nature that he wasn't killed in a car accident.

He wasn't attacked somewhere offside.

He was killed doing the thing he's been doing for 12 years and that he loved to do.

In spite of the fame, in spite of all the responsibilities, sitting in a chair under a tent with a cheap microphone, talking to anyone who would want to come and listen about the ideas that meant most to him.

And for Charlie, I heard him say it so many times, he loved America.

He loved our nation, and he loved what made it great.

And what made it great, and this is what made him so, I think, different from other people, is his ability to connect the dots between the greatness of America and the glory of Jesus.

And that the American ideas that people connect with around the world work anywhere in the world because they're connected to the timeless truths of the gospel.

And I mean, Charlie's political theory was anchored in biblical theology.

And he, like,

no one I've ever met had the ability to connect those dots in all of life.

And so as I've been talking with guys all along, they didn't kill Charlie because he was a big personality.

They didn't kill Charlie because he was merely a big conservative voice.

They killed Charlie Kirk because he was talking and the next generation was listening.

He was pointing them to the glory of Jesus, the good news of the gospel, anchored in the truth of God's word.

And that's why they had to kill him.

So he is absolutely, in every sense, I believe, a Christian martyr and maybe potentially the first public figure Christian martyr on American soil.

We have the Jim Elliott.

Joseph Smith.

I know we disagree.

I know we disagree on theology at some point, but I would have to throw in, because I thought about this, Joseph Smith and Charlie Kirk are probably the only Christian martyrs in American history.

Yep.

Can we have Christian martyrs?

You know, Jim Elliott goes to a jungle somewhere.

You know, those kind of examples have gone away.

But on American soil, at an American university,

captured by 3,000 cell phones from every possible angle, this one was just different.

Yeah, it was.

It was.

And it,

you know, I think if Charlie would have been asked the night before,

hey, listen, Charlie,

tomorrow you have a choice.

You can live a little while longer and you can continue to do these things.

Or tomorrow you could be taken out while testifying and millions of people will be affected by your testimony of Christ.

From what I know of Charlie, and I knew him fairly well, there's not a question he would have said, oh, the second one, right now.

Yes, let's do it.

That's right.

That's right.

And I think people know that, Glenn, and that's what makes the story so compelling.

This wasn't like a shock or a surprise, even though it was horrific.

He'd been getting death threats for years.

And, you know, the Bible says count the cost, right?

He is one who counted the cost.

And the question was,

do I want to take the road of safety as an act of cowardice or walk the road of danger as an act of faith?

And oftentimes we think the counterpart of cowardice is courage.

The counterpart of

cowardice is faith.

And Charlie had faith in the risen Christ, which gave him then courage.

I mean, you watch that video of him walking up to the chair at the Utah.

It's haunting.

I mean, you're like, turn around.

Don't go out there.

Someone stop.

Why isn't there bulletproof glass?

And Glenn, he could have been wearing a full kit.

He could have been behind bullet blood.

He didn't want to.

He wanted to stay accessible to the people and demonstrate a measure of courage that, quite frankly, many of us pastors sometimes lack.

And it was a stunning display of courage that I think we're now seeing ripple across the country.

So what is happening in our churches, Josh?

What is happening in our church?

I was lucky enough to attend one of my services in my faith in a town where the bishop got up and he spoke boldly about Charlie Kirk and what was happening.

And I don't know how many churches, even in my own faith, I don't know how many wards or churches that actually spoke about Charlie Kirk.

And that

was so important to me.

Is that happening in most churches or are they dropping the ball again?

Well, obviously, can't speak for every church out there, but so I'm on these tech threads, text threads, with

over 60 pastors.

And so, you know, across the country from Florida, New York, Wisconsin, Michigan, Texas, California, red states, blue states, big churches, small churches, some of the biggest churches in the country down to 10-month-old baby church plants.

And so we're all talking, and Wednesday it happens, and you're just like, my gosh, what's happened?

And Thursday, Friday, you're processing and grieving, and it's just too much to take in.

And by Friday, it's like, gosh, this feels different.

Something is moving here and stirring here, not only because of how he was killed, but because of who he was and how he lived.

I mean, all of a sudden, you can't go on the internet without just clip after clip after clip after clip.

And I don't think even Charlie knew how big a deal he was.

I mean, bro,

from missing man

formations and Blue Angels to the Dallas Cowboys, to New York Yankees, to Cold Play, to the Polish parliament,

holding a moment of silence.

You're watching this, you're like, what in the world is happening?

You know, 150,000 people is reported by CNN in London.

It turned out to be 3 million.

It's like, this is wild.

And so Saturday I filmed this quick video.

I was like, hey, pastors, if you're out there, I think there's a tidal wave coming.

And the tidal wave is in the form of people who are hurting and are hungry, and they're going to show up at your church.

And it's our job to open the Bible and give them Jesus.

Don't miss the moment.

And then we all went into Sunday going, what's going to happen?

And

this is why I texted you yesterday.

This is what I want the American people to hear.

Because in moments of tragedy like this, we instantly start looking for meaning.

Like, why did this happen?

Why could this have been allowed by a good and loving God?

And we know we have promises in the Word of God that says what Satan intends for evil, God intends to use for good.

And all of us, including you and myself, we're probably going, yeah, not this time.

You know what I mean?

Like there's a lot of people who are

safe.

I'm seeing it happen.

It's not going to be used for good.

Yeah.

And so Saturday, we're all like, how could this be used for good?

Sunday, we get to church, and I walk in and I'm like, what in the world is happening?

And going, this is what I wanted to tell you.

I want American people to hear, universally across the board, with every pastor I know and who I'm talking to, Easter-level record attendance on a random Sunday in September.

I mean, I'm talking churches up 30%, 40%.

Some guys texted me, 70%, 80%.

And not only Easter-level attendance, Easter-level response to the good news of the gospel.

You know, Charlie used to get up and he was really famous for saying, you know, the gospel is in four words, Jesus took my place.

The gospel in three words, him for me.

The gospel in two words, substitutionary atonement.

The gospel in one word, grace.

What is grace?

It's not getting what you deserve and getting what you don't deserve.

When you stand before the judgment seat of Christ, in Christ, you can have grace and find eternal life.

Thanks so much.

He dropped the mic and walked off.

I think Charlie's life and death has awakened Glenn in just this moment a spiritual hunger that I have never seen at levels in our nation across the board.

And so I wanted the American people to hear that when Jesus says, you know, unless a grain of wheat goes into the ground and dies, it cannot produce more seeds.

Charlie's life went into the ground like that grain of wheat.

It died and it's producing millions of seeds.

And

this isn't just pastor's hyperbole.

preacher hyperbole.

This is reality.

We are seeing not just a Sunday of revival.

I believe we're moving moving into a season of revival, and it's staggering.

It's a stunning thing to behold.

So I was singing the other day that

our work has got to be, all of us has to be get out into the fields.

The harvest is ripe.

But one of the things, one of the things that I wanted to ask you about is,

you know,

I have to grow my own alfalfa.

And when I say I grow it, I have people that grow it for me and my cows.

I mean, other people grow it.

Right.

Other people grow it for my cows.

But I know the planting and everything else.

And the harvest comes in three or four times a summer.

You have to go out and just cut the field and then grow some more and then cut the field.

This is the first cutting, if you will.

The harvest is right, but more is coming after this.

Do bad things have to come

each time before the harvest?

That's a really good question.

You know, C.S.

Lewis said pain is God's megaphone to a deaf world.

And sometimes it takes something painful in our own personal life or out in the public square that causes us to reflect on our life.

I mean, here's why this is landing on people.

I mean, have you been asking yourself what makes this different?

And not to be crass or mercenary, but people die every day.

And it's horrible and it's tragic and it's a part of the fall and it's terrible.

But this has stopped and shocked the world.

And it's like, what is different?

And I think, Glenn, one of the things that has made it different, well, there's lots of dynamics and there's, of course, the sovereign plan of God at hand, I believe.

But in Charlie, we saw a champion, our champion.

He was a gladiator.

He would go into places that none of us would want to go and do and say what we wish we could say.

It's like, that guy's on our team.

Yeah, let's go.

This is exciting.

And then he was taken off the field in a devastating injury.

And we're all asking ourselves, is the team still going going to win?

And the second thing that makes it personal, I think, is all of us saw ourselves in Charlie.

He was a normal guy.

He could connect to the normal Joe.

He was saying, I mean,

we had people saying, including our former president, that Charlie's views were extreme.

He was an extremist.

And you know what his views were?

You should read the Bible, obey the Bible, and teach people about the Bible.

You should get married and have kids, hold down a job, and be a good member of your society.

That is now counted as extreme.

And all of us are listening to this and watching this going, wait a minute, that's what I believe.

That's how I live.

I'm just a boring Christian that's married to one woman, it's got a couple of kids and working hard in my community.

Do they all feel like that about me?

And so it's carried something different, I think, with it, and it's caused something to shift.

And so to your question, does something bad always have to happen for there to be a harvest?

Well,

it is a cycle of life.

Death is a prayer requisite for the miracle of resurrection.

It's true with the grain of wheat that goes into the ground, and it's true, I think, of how God works in the heavenly realm.

And so

this one tragic event, I believe, is going to roll out, not just for a few days, not just for a few weeks, I believe for decades, because, well, I'll give you an example.

We got a college at our church.

A college kid came up to me on Monday.

He said, Pastor Josh, I just had to tell you.

I've been wanting to reach out to some of my friends in high school who don't know Jesus, and I just wasn't sure how to do it.

After Charlie's assassination, I thought, my gosh, why am I wasting time?

And so I texted 10 of my old high school buddies.

These are secular, pagan, atheistic, non-church going

college freshmen.

I texted 10 of them, and they're all away at school.

All 10 drove home and came to church with me on Sunday.

Wow.

Josh, hang on just 60 seconds.

Hang on.

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Back to Josh.

Pastor Josh McPherson, his website is gracecitychurch.com.

You can follow him on Instagram at Pastor Josh McPherson.

Josh, tell me the difference between a revival and the awakening.

Is there?

Well, I think

when we think about what is a revival,

we see different examples in history.

We see different examples in the church.

And I think most fundamentally,

if you were going to define a revival, it is an unexplainable, supernaturally born increase in spiritual hunger, desire, and intensity.

And so when I think about what's happening now, obviously, you know, it's probably premature to go, we're in revival, but

I'm suspicious that we'll look back on this moment in history.

And here's the thing, revivals aren't sustainable in terms of like, they don't last for hundreds and hundreds of years.

They're moments in time when God, through his grace, opens up a portal from heaven and pours out an abnormal amount of grace.

And people are, their eyes are opened because most people who don't are interested in God aren't walking throughout their day thinking about eternal judgment and eternity and the things of God.

They're just kind of busy with Netflix and life, right?

The mercy of God in revivals when he opens people's eyes to actually care about those things that actually matter, like eternity, like sin, like grace, like the cross, like the gospel.

And so, right now, what we're seeing, and this is what I want America to hear,

I am hearing and seeing universally testified across the board from every pastor I know, increased levels of spiritual hunger, intensity, and curiosity in ways that I have never seen.

And so it makes me think, I wonder if we are on the brink of a revival.

And it would make sense to me, Glenn, because the psalmist says that precious is the death of his saints in the eyes of God.

And I think Charlie was loved by the Father.

And he's like, you know what?

Charlie was faithful in life and faithful in death.

I'm going to honor his life and death by, and this is crazy.

God is accomplishing more in days than Charlie could accomplish in a lifetime for his mission.

I know.

Josh, thank you so much.

Will you do me a favor?

Just text me Monday.

Tell me about the church attendance for the next few weeks, will you?

God bless.

Josh McPherson.

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We're getting to Michael Malis here in just a second for some laughs.

But

I want to let you know that a 7.8 on the Richter scale, an earthquake just happened in Russia.

If you look at the Richter scale, the last one in Russia happened

up more towards the Aleutian Islands.

This is a little more towards Japan.

The ripple effect,

I'm just guessing just by looking at the map, somebody's going to do this quickly, but

it looks like that will be headed towards California, a tidal wave.

They've had five massive aftershocks.

So I'm sure later today, we're going to be on

alert for tidal waves.

If you're anywhere in that area, make sure that you are paying attention to

your local stations and another reason why stations should remain local.

But also EBS.

I'm sure it's not going to be anything, but you know.

The real problem here is, at least for me, I grew up in what's called the Ring of Fire.

I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.

And the ring of fire, 75% of the world's active volcanoes and about 90% of the earthquakes happen in this Pacific zone.

You know, think Alaska, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, New Zealand, Chile, Mexico, the West Coast, California, all of that.

That's the ring of fire.

And a nine on the Richter scale

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quite bad things and could set that whole ring of fire on fire.

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On that good news, let me go to funny man, Michael Ballas.

Hi, Michael.

How are you?

I wish we were talking under better auspices, Glenn.

I do too.

I do too.

By the way, Michael Malas is the host of Your Welcome and the author of Not Sick of Winning,

which I absolutely love, Michael.

I just love it.

I wanted to talk to you about

Jimmy Kimmel.

First of all, you're a comedian.

You've been in this business.

I mean, I could use a joke detector, you know, like a metal detector.

I cannot detect a joke in

what he said about Charlie Kirk.

Can you?

Well, I have a tweet that's going wide right now, and I basically said, let me read it right here for you, that you soulless conservatives cheering on what happened to Jimmy Kimmel haven't stopped to think about Jimmy's wife and children because they now have to spend more time with Jimmy Kimmel and no one deserves that.

So let's have some, you know, thoughts and prayers for that family.

The thing is, Lenny, you and I have been at this.

Thank you for that, Michael.

Thank you.

It's been a very long week.

Thank you.

It's been a long week, but you know, you and I have been at this for a minute, right?

And you know, there's the whole metaphor about boiling the frog.

If you heat the water, the frog doesn't jump out of the pot.

When did it become normal for late-night TV show talk shows to become MSNBC?

This wasn't a thing for decades.

And then we turn around, and it's somehow appropriate that Stephen Colbert is doing Nazi salutes in reference to the president.

This wasn't a thing under Carson or Letterman or any or Leno or Conan.

This was, it was very apolitical or bipartisan in their attacks.

And then all of a sudden, it's this jihadist stuff.

And no one even realized, wait a minute, how did we get here?

Because you know what, Michael?

I've studied this on the serious side, and I know you have too.

I mean, you kind of grew up in it.

But this is what happened in Germany

when fascism actually takes root.

They take over the

culture, and everything becomes about politics everything

and that's what happened

the the all of the TV shows all of the entertainment it all became about towing the line and you know I'm watching these shows now and I think they're just gonna age so horribly I'm watching all these shows and Jimmy Kimmel and I'm thinking there is there's not there's no comedy in this anymore it's just a late night rant as you're trying to go to sleep To your point, one of my favorite authors is Hubert Selby Jr.

He wrote a book called Last Exit to Brooklyn, which is regarded as like a classic of transgender, transgressive, not transgender, transgressive fiction.

And then if you watch the documentary about him, like half of it or a good portion is about how much he hates George Bush and the Iraq war.

And you're watching this, you're like, who cares?

He has this like typical lefty of the time opinion.

I want to hear about his career.

That's unique to him.

So it it is going to age horribly because it's all the same.

I know.

I know.

Are we changing, Michael?

Are we at the end of this kind of stuff?

You know, Trump is doing a better job curing TDS than he did of curing COVID because

he's not relying on the pharmaceutical companies to help him.

That's why.

In 2024, when Mark Zuckerberg said that Trump's reaction to that assassination attempt was awesome and he had no pushback for it, that was like, wait a minute, you know, five minutes ago, if you said the slightest positive thing, like, oh, you know, I think Trump can sometimes be funny, you were a Nazi.

That's when it stopped.

And now I think the bottom's completely fallen out.

And the fact that these networks, like, wait a minute, we're alienating not just conservatives, but moderates and anyone who just regards murder as evil, you know, it's like, okay, that's a lot of people in this country still got that that willing.

You know, I have to tell you, I think, I mean, Jimmy Kimmel didn't help himself.

First of all, it wasn't funny.

His ratings are abysmal.

His ratings in the money demographic are 120,000.

That's

right.

Yeah, that's insane.

YouTube videos get more views than that.

I mean, that's insane.

They were looking for a way.

The rumor is now that they've been looking to replace him for a while.

They're just using this as an excuse to be able to get rid of him because he wasn't performing.

And they're just doubling down on this.

And

it's really not going to work.

And I, you know, on this, I have to tell you, I'm really trying to find something funny in what Jimmy Kimmel said.

And funny can be found.

You were on Guttfeld.

I saw you.

You were funny.

You were the first person to make me laugh during this Charlie Kirk thing.

Yeah.

And

it was a joke on Charlie.

People, people

with Charlie, not on Charlie.

With Charlie.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

People watch Guttfeld to laugh, obviously.

We taped it on 9-11, the day after Charlie was murdered.

You know, Greg does his monologue very serious.

Kennedy does her piece, you know, for the heart.

Now it's on me, and there's a live studio audience there of like middle-aged tourists.

So I'm like, this might not be in my crowd.

And I said, you know, when you guys,

I go,

people are here to laugh.

So when you guys booked me for today, I wrote a bunch of 9-11 jokes.

And when they laughed at that I'm like okay now they want that permission to laugh so I said and now I feel like they're in bad taste and and I said the best I got is Dr.

Jill Biden released a statement and in her medical opinion Charlie's fine

and

and she's excited that he's gonna be voting Democrat for the next hundred years

and and you know I knew Charlie you guys knew Charlie Charlie was extremely positive.

He's always smiling in these pictures.

And there's no way Charlie Kirk would want, he'd want people to be angry.

He'd want people to miss him.

But there's no way he would want people to give in to this sense of hopelessness and despair.

He's the exact opposite of that.

I don't know if he would have wanted us to be angry.

He would have wanted us to have righteous indignation.

Sure.

Sure, I think, is different.

You know what I mean?

And I think this is playing out exactly the way, at least with his followers, playing out exactly the way he would be proud of.

I mean, I'm seeing stuff in America, you know, that's happening because of this, because of the way Charlie lived his life, that are miracles.

Really, we're witnessing miracles right now.

Yeah, and I think, you know, sometimes it takes one of the things that Martin Luther King did so well is there are plenty of people in the South, even people who are racist, when they saw men and women in suits getting attacked by dogs and hitting fire hoses.

They're like, you know what?

I don't know what's going on, but I'm against this.

And you don't have to have any political perspective to be like, a young man killed in front of his kids.

I'm against it.

Like, whatever you're saying, I'm not even listening to it.

You people are wrong.

This is evil and everything I'm opposed to.

And it's pretty on them.

And the equivocation, Glenn, I had to avoid looking at the social media because I didn't want to see the comments.

I couldn't even, because I knew I couldn't handle the dam the hot takes that I'm sure some people had.

My son was with me over the weekend and he's like, dad, all I would hear is, dad, oh my dad.

And I finally looked at him and said, get off of social media.

I don't want to see it.

You don't need to see it.

Get off of social media.

It's just going to make you more and more angry.

And that's the point.

You know, the things that are getting the the the retweet and the algorithms to boost it it's all the stuff that makes you angry and passionate and engaged get off of social media it's not real but to that point if Jimmy Kimball said this in 2023 nothing would have happened nothing would have been playing by the old script where nothing is is sacred when it comes to the MAGA movement I'll remind you I'm sure you remember this in I believe it was 2020 when William Wales former governor of Massachusetts Republican governor of Massachusetts, went on CNN and said, yelling, Trump has committed treason and the penalty for treason is death, in those words.

And no one's going to deny that the guy's advocating killing Trump.

And now, thankfully, people are like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

After the assassination attempt and after having a deceased man as president in Biden, we need to take a step back.

But this is, may I say,

and I'm not saying this, you know, in false humility.

I mean this 100%.

If it would have happened to me, the reaction wouldn't have been the same.

And not just because his profile was higher in Washington or whatever.

It's because the way he lived his life, what he said all the time.

I've talked about God for a long time, but not the way Charlie did.

And

this change is not just because of we're sick of all of this stuff, but because of who Charlie Kirk was and how he lived his life.

that's the power.

And quite honestly, that should be a wake-up call to all of us.

How are we living our life?

If we died, would we bring more people to Christ because we led our life a certain way?

Would we bring people to Christ?

Would we bring people to peace or would we bring them to anger?

That's all been on my mind for the last 10 days.

Yeah, after it happened, Stu texted me, Michael, it should have been you.

And I can't say that he was either wrong.

It hurt my feelings when Sarah did it also, but I can't argue with them.

I'll give you an example of how you were correct.

Because you and I have been, again, we've talked to a lot of different people.

I was on Charlie's show.

He kept talking over me, cutting me off because we're arguing about whether Trump was going to be the nominee.

I said he didn't have it in the bag, which at that point he hadn't.

And you know, he texted me to apologize.

So I didn't feel disrespected at all.

These things get heated.

You've been at this game.

I've been at this game.

Sometimes voices get raised.

It's never personal.

And it was the only time where someone felt the need to be like, to apologize, even when nothing was wrong.

So that really, you know, off-camera speaks this character.

I don't think anyone who knew him in this space has a bad word to say about him.

Yeah.

No.

True.

No.

No.

Nobody.

Nobody.

And that is really rare because I've been around people when they die, people will.

No, seriously, I've been around people who, you know, if they would die, people would play nice, but then they would go into the other room and they'd be like, you know, but they don't have any idea.

Not one bad word has been spoken in front of me or that I can even imagine has been spoken to anybody.

It's, he was the real deal.

He was the real deal.

Michael.

Go ahead, sir.

Yes.

No,

finish up.

Go ahead.

I was just, I'm just also hopeful that the fever has broken and that

politics and just discourse in general can return to some measure of decency and dignity, and not to the point where people are literally wishing each other dead.

My God, like, what were that even happened to the Civil War?

I'm anxious to see the memorial service.

I'm going to be there on Sunday.

I'm anxious to see this because it's all political figures except for Erica, but it's all political figures, and I worry about that.

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I hope that this is the right kind of memorial that Charlie would want.

I know it starts with a two-hour service beforehand,

but

I'm anxious.

I hope that we are on the air Monday going, that's exactly the way Charlie would have handled it.

Because I know Charlie's team has been involved in this, but

they've had to farm a lot of stuff out because it's just overwhelming.

You know, there are more press credential requests for this event globally, more press credential requests than at any Super Bowl.

Oh, wow.

That is remarkable.

This thing is going to be reported on all over the globe.

And I pray that the spirit dwells there strongly.

Pretty, please pray for that all weekend.

Anyway, Michael, as always, great to talk to you.

Thank you, my friend.

Appreciate it.

Oh, your flesh.

Go ahead.

Take care.

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And right about now, they're all losing their minds.

We must be doing something right.

Stick around.

Back will continue right after this.

Okay, well with that done,

enjoy the weekend.

Stay safe.

Please stay in prayer.

Stay humble.

Stay connected to God because only he can save the Republic.

But miracles are happening.

Expect them.

Live in a way that you can demand them and call them down

because they're going to be needed and they will be seen.

And we get the opportunity to witness and testify and be a part of all of that.

We will see you Sunday with Charlie Kirk and then back here on Monday.

God bless.

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