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This is an amazing thing.

There are more international and national press credential requests for this event on Sunday at the State Farm Arena in Glendale, Arizona, than any Super Bowl.

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But we're going to talk a little bit about how everybody is,

their reaction is wildly different from left to right on the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Selena Zito joined us on the program today.

Pastor Josh McPherson has some really good insight on what's going on, why this feels different, why this is behaving different, and what he is actually seeing with a network of pastors and priests and rabbis all across the country.

What are they seeing happening right now, and what does it all mean?

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Welcome, Selena.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

I'm okay.

Yeah, it's been a really tough nine days.

Can you believe it's been nine days?

It feels like it's been six months.

Yeah, it's,

you know, there's sometimes I wake up and like, oh, that didn't happen, right?

I dreamt it, right?

It didn't, it couldn't have happened.

Because Charlie was such a life force.

The first time I met him, I think he was like 18 years old.

And I was just so struck by

this energy and

this aspirational quality he had.

And one of the things that I think you've done really well,

and

it's important to note about Charlie, he never did this for himself.

This was never about him.

It was always about bringing people together to be part of something bigger than self.

I think a lot lot of people in trying to understand Charlie have missed that, but you haven't.

And I think that's that.

I think that's real, but that's a quality a lot of people don't

possess, right?

There's always an ulterior motive.

There wasn't with Charlie.

There never was.

It was about

faith and family.

Yeah, he just wanted to make the world a better place.

He had his own ideas how to do that, but it was never about hogging the spotlight.

It was, he always shared the spotlight.

He always shared.

It didn't matter where he was.

You know, I called him for some advice on something, I don't know, last year, I think.

And I called him.

He was in the oval with the president, picked up the phone.

Hey, Glenn, what's happening?

And I said, hey, do you have a second?

He said, yeah, I'm just with the president.

We're just working on some stuff.

And I'm like, I'll call you back.

And he's like, no, no, no, what do you need?

I mean, that's the kind of guy he was.

Really,

You know, it's amazing.

You tweeted something.

I just spent 90 minutes sitting on the sideline of a kid's flag football practice, and I don't think cable news experts or Democrats have any idea how profoundly impacted suburban moms over what happened to Charlie Kirk and how they may have,

and how much they have noticed how poorly many have behaved.

What did you mean by that?

So this is something that's in my book, Butler, in that,

you know, after the president was shot right

people I went out and I saw people that I did not expect to see with Trump shirts on or Trump hats or put them in their yard right and and I remember writing I interviewed people like that that's in my book and and and and also in my book was all these young people that kept showing up in droves to his events and it was Charlie it was Trump what happened to him it was also Charlie

And so the other day, I was, first I went to a revival.

Did I tell you?

I don't know if I sent that to you.

I went to a revival

in the city of Pittsburgh, in a majority black historic neighborhood called the Hill District.

And there were kids coming from the busloads on Sunday just to to witness and to and to celebrate Charlie and his life, but also to celebrate their faith with a boldness

that has been inspired by Charlie.

But

to get back to your original question, I'm sitting on the sidelines of my little grandson's flag football game, and I'm listening to these moms

overhearing their conversations.

And it was all about how my profession has behaved

in reaction to Charlie's murder,

but also how they've been

invigorated and

activated into, I mean, three of them had freedom shirts on, you know, and I was like, whoa, something is happening.

This is very real.

This is very tangible.

And my profession isn't seeing it.

On paper, these women should be

Democrats.

They're suburban.

They're college educated, right?

I mean, they're the demo that you and they live and they live in suburbs.

They're the demo you expect Democrats to

for them to go towards the Democrats.

And instead, they were talking about,

I can't believe that he was murdered.

I can't believe how they're covering this.

I want to get my kids out of school.

I want to homeschool them.

Several of them had just gone away for the weekend because they couldn't handle the way that things were being talked about.

And there is

an awakening going on that I don't see the right word to

and I don't think my profession or Democrats understand just in the past four days

in places like Somerset Pennsylvania the city of Pittsburgh

Shippingsburg Pennsylvania Hemfield Pennsylvania Ligonier Pennsylvania hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of people have just been showing up in their little town squares, right?

These are small Pennsylvania towns, most of them, with gazebos in the middle, right?

And

with just candles and just they're praying and

a lot of them are really, really young.

And

people talked about, Glenn, when you and I were growing up, right, the counterculture, the coal people, right?

This, that's the counterculture.

We're looking at the counterculture and it's not and it's people of faith and purpose.

I know it's not it's not the bad guys

How do you think people are you know it two questions one I see these polls that have just recently come out that are shocking that show young people are much more authoritarian than any of their Gen X and even Gen Z counterparts that this this

this

new

generation has been indoctrinated from the beginning, and they are starting to look at authoritarian rule.

How do you square that?

Do you believe those polls?

Well, it's not that I don't believe the polls.

It's where is the polling coming from?

Are you polling in New York City?

Are you polling in L.A., Chicago?

Are you polling on college campuses, which, by the way, would be the easiest way to do it if you're a pollster, right, and you want to capture a certain demographic

but that's not the experience I have had and we have to remember Glenn that oftentimes what we see coming from our cultural curators meaning big meet legacy media media right

corporations institutions academia

A lot of that is coming from you know the super zip codes in the country except in the super zip codes in the country right where the where wealth and power

is at the center of everything, those places don't decide elections.

Those people,

those places don't make what makes this country go and move.

And so I think that if you're polling, if you're not pulling from Somerset, Pennsylvania, then you're not getting the full breadth of understanding what is happening in this country.

I remember last year

when writing Butler and thinking, nobody is seeing what's happening.

They're really not.

They're not understanding how what a sea change is happening in this country.

And I'm standing in the exact same place again, only it's bigger.

It's broader.

So I'm looking at the reaction of

those on the left last week and and this week to Charlie Kirk.

And then I'm watching how I read a story today where Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel were literally called martyrs.

And, you know, I've been in this business enough.

I can read ratings.

I know what advertisers, if you don't have advertising, if you're not getting sales and you're costing more than it costs to put the show on, you're not there long.

And I really believe ABC, I mean, CBS, they fired Stephen Colbert because it was costing them twice as much to produce than what they were making.

That doesn't last unless you're in a communist society.

The thing with Jimmy Kimmel is they were trying to find ways to get rid of him.

And I think ABC saw this opportunity and was like, yep, yep, community standards, they want him off.

And so they're getting rid of him.

And now, Jimmy, the word is, is that Jimmy is really upset about this.

And so he's doubling down and he's already looking for a new job.

and he's got one, and he's going to go, you know, tell the public what really is going on and double down on his hatred for Trump and everything else.

I see the reaction of this Jimmy Kimmel thing, and I think

I can't believe the American people are buying into this and that this is helping the people on the left at all.

No,

no, it's not.

And they're reporting this from their bubble, right?

Just to use a cliche, it is a bubble.

This is the same.

They all talk to and see the same people all the time.

And so, you know, nobody's going to tell them, oh, you're seeing this in the wrong way.

Look,

markets change all the time.

You know that, and I know that, because we're in a business that's always fluctuating.

But so are American people.

Where were, like, think about the steel worker in the 1970s.

Did anybody come rushing to save their job when it wasn't making money for the big company?

No.

Did any reporter plop in and say, how do you feel?

Are you mad?

Are you angry?

No, they didn't.

I'm not saying

I lived it, so I know they didn't, right?

But to lift up and celebrate someone who

is also not meeting

the moment with the ratings and say, well, you should still have a job.

Well, you know what?

Those steel workers still thought they should have a job too, right?

But you weren't making the money.

And also, more importantly, this is the thing that really bothers me.

It's the affiliates that said, we're not doing this anymore.

It is the affiliates.

They have the most power because they're the ones that need to make money.

These are stations across the middle of the country, right,

where

while DC and New York don't think those people have much power, actually they turned out to have power, not just in the election, but also in deciding what is right for our culture.

And these affiliates said, yeah, we're not doing this in particular because Kimmel wasn't even going to apologize the next day.

You know,

he wanted to come out and and clarify.

That's not an apology.

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Josh, welcome to the program.

How are you, Pastor?

I'm very good.

How are you going?

I'm good.

I'm good.

It's good to talk to you, my friend, and thank you for the kind note this week.

I really appreciate all that you do.

I've been thinking about you a lot, praying for you, and grateful for your voice right now, bro.

I feel the same way about you.

I want to talk to you about what's happening in our churches,

but I want to start with a couple of definitions first.

What is the definition of a martyr?

Where do we get that word?

What's it come from?

So

martyr is anchored in the original Greek word that means witness.

And so it's someone who gave clear witness to something.

So when we use the word martyr in relationship to a Christian martyr, it's someone who was faithful in their clear and uncompromising witness and explanation of the gospel and, more specifically, Jesus Christ.

But you could also make that as a witness of the truth of the American principles, could you not?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Because I think Charlie Kirk was a witness of both.

I got to tell you, I told Erica the other day when I saw her.

It was hard for me to say this to her.

I couldn't imagine a better way to go out than the way Charlie did.

And I don't mean the way

they killed him.

I mean by witnessing, having the words coming out of your mouth just three sentences before witnessing Jesus Christ and then witnessing to the truth to a group of people that were starving for it and then to be taken out.

I mean, if that's not a swift elevator or escalator ride right up to the top, I don't know what is.

Oh, it's remarkable.

And I mean, all of us have been thinking, reflecting on just, I'm sure I'm like, you haven't slept for days.

You're just, you're just, it's all you can think about.

And

the irony, the poeticness, or how do you want to say it, the nature that he wasn't killed in a car accident.

He wasn't attacked somewhere offside.

He was killed doing the thing he's been doing for 12 years and that he loved to do.

In spite of the fame, in spite of all the responsibilities, sitting in a chair under a tent with a cheap microphone, talking to anyone who would want to come and listen about the ideas that meant most to him.

And for Charlie, I heard him say it so many times, he loved America.

He loved our nation, and he loved what made it great.

And what made it great, and this is what made him so, I think, different from other people, is his ability to connect the dots between the greatness of America and the glory of Jesus.

And that the American ideas that people connect with around the world work anywhere in the world because they're connected to the timeless truths of the gospel.

And I mean, Charlie's political theory was anchored in biblical theology.

And he like,

no one I've ever met had the ability to connect those dots in all of life.

And so as I've been talking with guys all along, they didn't kill Charlie because he was a big personality.

They didn't kill Charlie because he was merely a big conservative voice.

They killed Charlie Kirk because he was talking.

and the next generation was listening.

He was pointing them to the glory of Jesus, the good news of the gospel, anchored in the truth of God's word, and that's why they had to kill him.

So he is absolutely, in every sense, I believe, a Christian martyr and maybe potentially the first public figure Christian martyr on American soil.

We have the Jim Elliott.

Joseph Smith.

I know we disagree.

I know we disagree on theology at some point, but I would have to throw in, because I thought about this, Joseph Smith and Charlie Kirk are probably the only Christian martyrs in American history.

Yep.

Can we have Christian martyrs?

know, Jim Elliott goes to a jungle somewhere.

You know, those kind of examples have gone away.

But on American soil, at an American university,

captured by 3,000 cell phones from every possible angle, this one was just different.

Yeah, it was.

It was.

And it,

you know, I think if Charlie would have been asked the night before,

hey, listen, Charlie,

tomorrow you have a choice.

You can live a little while longer and you can continue to do these things, or tomorrow you could be taken out while testifying and millions of people will be affected by your testimony of Christ.

From what I know of Charlie, and I knew him fairly well, there's not a question he would have said, oh, the second one, right now.

Yes, let's do it.

That's right.

That's right.

And I think people know that.

Glenn, and that's what makes the story so compelling.

This wasn't like a shock or a surprise, even though it was horrific.

He'd been getting death threats for years.

And, you know, the Bible says count the cost, right?

He is one who counted the cost.

And the question was,

do I want to take the road of safety as an act of cowardice or walk the road of danger as an act of faith?

And oftentimes we think the counterpart of cowardice is courage.

The counterpart of

cowardice is faith.

And Charlie had faith in the risen Christ, which gave him then courage.

I mean, you watch that video of him walking up to the chair at the Utah.

It's haunting.

I mean, you're like, turn around.

Don't go out there.

Someone stop.

Why isn't there bulletproof glass?

And Glenn, he could have been wearing a full kit.

He could have been behind bullet blood.

He didn't want to.

He wanted to stay accessible to the people and demonstrate a measure of courage that, quite frankly, many of us pastors sometimes lack.

And it was a stunning display of courage that I think we're now seeing ripple across the country.

So what is happening in our churches, Josh?

What is happening in our churches?

I was lucky enough to attend one of my services in my faith in a town where the bishop got up and he spoke boldly about Charlie Kirk and what was happening.

And I don't know how many churches, even in my own faith, I don't know how many wards or churches that actually spoke about Charlie Kirk.

And that

was so important to me.

Is that happening in most churches or are they dropping the ball again?

Well, obviously, can't speak for every church out there, but so I'm on these

text threads with

over 60 pastors.

And so, you know, across the country from Florida, New York, Wisconsin, Michigan, Texas, California, red states, blue states, big churches, small churches, some of the biggest churches in the country down to 10-month-old baby church plants.

And so we're all talking, and Wednesday it happens, and you're just like, my gosh, what's happened?

And Thursday, Friday, you're processing and grieving, and there's just too much to take in.

And by Friday, it's like, gosh, this feels different.

Something is moving here and stirring here, not only because of how he was killed, but because of who he was and how he lived.

I mean, all of a sudden, you can't go on the internet without just clip after clip after clip after clip.

And I don't think even Charlie knew how big a deal he was.

I mean, bro,

from missing man

formations and Blue Angels to the Dallas Cowboys, to New York Yankees, to Cold Play, to the Polish parliament,

holding a a moment of silence.

You're watching this, you're like, what in the world is happening?

You know, 150,000 people is reported by CNN in London.

It turned out to be 3 million.

It's like, this is wild.

And so Saturday, I filmed this quick video.

I was like, hey, pastors, if you're out there, I think there's a tidal wave coming.

And the tidal wave is in the form of people who are hurting and are hungry, and they're going to show up at your church.

And it's our job to open the Bible and give them Jesus.

Don't miss a moment.

And then we all went into Sunday going, what's going to happen?

And

this is why I texted you yesterday.

This is what I want the American people to hear.

Because in moments of tragedy like this, we instantly start looking for meaning.

Like, why did this happen?

Why could this have been allowed by a good and loving God?

And we know we have promises in the Word of God that says what Satan intends for evil, God intends to use for good.

And all of us, including you and myself, were probably going, yeah, not this time.

You know what I mean?

Like there's no way

it happened used for good.

Yeah.

And so Saturday, we're all like, how could this be used for good?

Sunday, we get to church, and I walk in and I'm like, what in the world is happening?

And

this is what I wanted to tell.

I want American people to hear.

Universally across the board, with every pastor I know and who I'm talking to, Easter level record attendance on a random Sunday in September.

I mean, I'm talking churches up 30%, 40%.

Some guys texted me, 70%, 80%.

And not only Easter-level attendance, Easter-level response to the good news of the gospel.

You know, Charlie used to get up and he was really famous for saying, you know, the gospel is in four words, Jesus took my place.

The gospel in three words, him for me, the gospel in two words, substitutionary atonement.

The gospel in one word, grace.

What is grace?

It's not getting what you deserve and getting what you don't deserve.

When you stand before the judgment seat of Christ, in Christ, you can have grace and find eternal life.

Thanks so much.

And you drop the mic and walk off.

I think Charlie's life and death has awakened, Glenn, in just this moment a spiritual hunger that I have never seen at levels in our nation across the board.

And so I wanted the American people to hear that when Jesus says, you know, unless a grain of wheat goes into the ground and dies, it cannot produce more seeds.

Charlie's life went into the ground like that grain of wheat.

It died and it's producing millions of seeds.

And

this isn't just pastor's hyperbole, preacher hyperbole.

This is reality.

We are seeing not just a Sunday of revival.

I believe we're moving into a season of revival, and it's staggering.

It's a stunning thing to behold.

So I was singing the other day that

our work has got to be, all of us has to be get out into the fields, the harvest is ripe.

But one of the things, one of the things that I wanted to ask you about is,

you know,

I have to grow my own alfalfa.

And when I say I grow it, I have people that grow it for me in my cows.

I am all half.

I mean, other people grow it.

Right.

Other people grow it for my cows.

But I know the planting and everything else.

And the harvest comes in three or four times a summer.

You have to go out and just cut the field and then grow some more and then cut the field.

This is the first cutting, if you will.

The harvest is right, but more is coming after this.

Do bad things have to come

each time before the harvest?

That's a really good question.

You know, C.S.

Lewis said pain is God's megaphone to a deaf world.

And sometimes it takes something painful in our own personal life or out in the public square that causes us to reflect on our life.

I mean, here's why this is landing on people.

I mean, have you been asking yourself what makes this different?

And not to be crass or mercenary, but people die every day.

And it's horrible and it's tragic and it's a part of the fall and it's terrible.

But

has stopped and shocked the world.

And it's like, what is different?

And I think, Glenn, one of the things that has made it different, well, there's lots of dynamics and there's, of course, the sovereign plan of God at hand, I believe.

But in Charlie, we saw a champion, our champion.

He was a gladiator.

He would go into places that none of us would want to go and do and say what we wish we could say.

It's like, that guy's on our team.

Yeah, let's go.

This is exciting.

And then he was taken off the field in a devastating injury and we're all asking ourselves is the team still going to win and the second thing that makes it personal I think is all of us saw ourself in Charlie he was a normal guy he could connect to the normal Joe he was saying I mean we had we had people saying including our former president that Charlie's views were extreme he was an extremist and you know what his views were You should read the Bible, obey the Bible, and teach people about the Bible.

You should get married and have kids, hold down a job, and be a good member of your society.

That is now counted as extreme.

And all of us are listening to this and watching this, going, wait a minute, that's what I believe.

That's how I live.

I'm just a boring Christian that's married to one woman, it's got a couple kids, and working hard in my community.

Do they all feel like that about me?

And so it's carried something different, I think, with it, and it's caused something to shift.

And so, to your question, does something bad always have to happen for there to be a harvest?

Well,

it is a cycle of life.

Death is a prayer requisite for the miracle of resurrection.

It's true with the grain of wheat that goes into the ground, and it's true, I think, of how God works in the heavenly realm.

And so

this one tragic event, I believe, is going to roll out not just for a few days, not just for a few weeks, I believe for decades because, well, I'll give you an example.

We got a college at our church.

A college kid came up to me on Monday.

He said, Hasha Josh, I just had to tell you, I've been wanting to reach out to some of my friends in high school who don't know Jesus, and I just wasn't sure how to do it.

After Charlie's assassination, I thought, my gosh, why am I wasting time?

And so I texted 10 of my old high school buddies.

These are secular, pagan, atheistic, non-church-going

college freshmen.

I texted 10 of them, and they're all away at school.

All 10 drove home and came to church with me on Sunday.

Wow.

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Let me start with, actually, Sarah, I want to start with cut two.

I want to start with something good

that will show you that there is decency out on the left.

And I don't know how to square this in my head right now.

Rain Wilson, who

played Dwight on the office, he's a lefty, but he's always seemed like a decent guy.

At least to me.

He's always seemed like, you know, a little out there, but, and, you know, we don't vote the same, but he seems like he really wants to be a decent guy, and he tries to be a decent guy, and he preaches we should all be decent to each other.

Now, somebody who I don't feel that way about is Mark Ruffalo.

And Mark is never the guy who seems to be trying to be a decent guy.

He is a bomb thrower, at least in my opinion.

Here he is, Rain Wilson, on his podcast with Mark Ruffalo.

Listen to this.

Country is being torn apart in so many different ways.

While I didn't agree with his ideas, shooting someone that we disagree with, even if they're vociferous and loud and out there is

so colossally

wrong-headed.

I spoke to a couple of,

let's say, some liberal friends last night at an event, and they were like, you won't find me shedding any tears.

And someone else was like, oh, oh, well, it was a little bit of a kind of a good riddance thing.

And it's like, guys, no.

Yeah, I know.

No.

We cannot think or talk that way.

That is not okay.

That's not so dangerous, man.

That's really good.

And I believe, Rain,

I don't know how to put it together with what I know from Mark Ruffalo, but hopefully he means that.

So Mark actually chimes in a little bit later, and of course he

shifts the conversation to gun control, which was so frustrating because there was actually a human conversation going on for a little while but then Mark shifts it back to gun control he talks about these weapons of war of course that are only designed to kill people so he clearly doesn't even know what was used as a hunting rifle yeah this was not a weapon of war no this was a hunting rifle probably like this was a old style hunting rifle old school yeah like my understanding is it's legal in like almost every country even with restrictive gun laws oh yeah right like this is a bolt action rifle this is a This was something that they used in World War I.

And before, I mean, as soon as we had any kind of modern firearm with a bolt action, with something that slams into the back of the bullet to set off the fuse and the igniter,

that's how old this gun is.

This isn't a modern weapon of war.

It doesn't take a modern weapon of war.

You want to kill somebody, you can kill them.

It's the society that is so sick.

And how do people miss this?

Honestly, how are people missing that this is a societal problem?

This isn't a gun problem.

This is a societal problem.

And you want to see it.

Here's Elon Omar.

She was at a town hall event in Minnesota, and she's talking to a concerned citizen about the Charlie Kirk situation.

Here she is, cut three.

I asked

So I'm just wondering which approach is better, to call upon those who disagree with you to come to open debate and dialogue, or to say that those who disagree with you and have a different worldview are full of

so you must have selected hearing sir because I said that the people who are full of s were the people who were saying

that

was civil

thank God

no that's not true

for public execution of people he disagreed with is not civil the person who said you are a black woman you lack the ability to process thoughts it's not simple the person who said because i want to

i cannot be in this country because i want to destroy western society is not civil the person who said a 10-year-old stop stop i'm i'm just i i don't i i don't want to play you i just want to show you this is the jimmy kimmel disease This is somebody who is just making quotes up, just saying things that are absolutely untrue.

That is,

there's no basis of reality in that.

And so

I would say kindly

to this woman who I believe

married her brother

that she

is wildly misinformed and she can either inform herself or she should face some ramifications of smearing somebody.

This is lawsuit territory.

You just can't say these things about people that are so grossly wrong.

This isn't just

a difference of opinion on how to read it.

He didn't say those things.

He didn't say those things.

And

it's sick.

It's really, truly sick.

Do we have, but this is what I expect from some of these places, you know, Michigan, Minnesota.

Do we have the audio from two days ago, Sarah?

This is the mayor of Dearborn.

Now, listen to this.

This is a city council meeting, and the mayor of Dearborn is sitting there listening to a concerned citizen.

They just renamed a street after a guy who was, what was his role?

Do you remember?

I believe he was Hezbollah or one of those groups.

Right, okay.

So

it just named him, it just named this boulevard after a guy from Hezbollah, okay?

And this guy shows up peaceful at a town city council meeting in Dearborn, Michigan.

I want you to hear what he says, and then listen listen to the mayor's response.

I mean, Hezbollah,

you know, bombed the embassy in Beirut, and including many Americans.

So I just feel it's quite inappropriate.

You are an Islamophobic, and although you live here, I want you to know as mayor, you are not welcome here.

And the day you move out of the city will be the day that I launch a parade celebrating the fact that you moved out of the city because you are not somebody who believes in coexistence.

Excuse me?

You know who who doesn't believe in coexistence?

Hezbollah.

Hezbollah does not believe in coexistence.

You are a racist and Islamophobe because you stand against Hezbollah.

What kind of America are you making in Dearborn, Michigan?

When your mayor can get away with saying that and there is not an uprising to oust and recall that mayor, you are no longer living in an America that I even recognize.

To say that you are not welcome because you stand against Hezbollah

and the mayor will lead a parade the day you leave town, you're not welcome here.

I've never heard an American mayor say anything like that.

Ever.

I've never heard an American mayor say anything like that, especially at a city council meeting where you have people coming and that's their job to sit there and listen to the people people and the voice of the people and take it under advisement.

To respond that way is chilling, absolutely chilling.

Now let me go to

cut four.

This is Brendan Carr.

Brendan Carr is the commissioner for the FCC.

He's a friend of the program.

I generally agree with him and

I want to parse this one out because this is all about Jimmy Kimmel and what happened to Jimmy Kimmel.

And there is,

you know, ABC was looking at replacing Jimmy Kimmel months ago.

They're using this as a convenient way to get rid of him, okay?

Because they were looking for a replacement because he has

zero ratings, zero ratings.

In the 18, what is it, 1849 demo?

He had like 150,000 people watching.

It's lower than that.

Oh, that's that.

Yeah, it's lower than that.

129,000.

129,000.

129,000.

That is insane.

That is the ABC television network, and 129,000 people watch.

We get that on some of our YouTube videos for the love of people.

I mean, to be clear, Glenn, that's lower than the ratings that we had when we were doing a show on CNN headline news.

Headline news.

I mean, it's not unbelievable how bad those are.

Unbelievable.

Okay, so they're just useful.

ABC is just using this as cover,

and he is getting worse and worse and worse.

But

so the sponsors, the local affiliates, and ABC wanted this to happen, but they're blaming it on Brendan Carr.

Now, I wanted to listen to this because Pat, I heard Pat talking about this today on the Blaze, and

he said, we can't go this way.

I want to listen to it again because what I heard Brendan say, I was like, I think I actually agree with him, but I'm not sure.

So let's listen to it again.

Here's cut four.

Look, again, broadcast TV is different.

We're on a cable show right now.

You don't have an FCC license.

You don't have an obligation to serve the public interest.

Podcasts don't either.

Stand-up comedians, whether they're on lots of forms of communications, don't.

And Kimball is free to do that.

But if you have a broad technology.

Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, and pause it right there.

First, let's agree that's true.

Now, you don't have to agree with what the FCC does.

You don't have to agree with the regulation on broadcast television.

That happened because of FDR.

However, that is the law.

It is the law.

They only censor broadcast television.

That's why when you're watching something on

NBC, you're watching, I don't know, Quantum Leap, it just feels like an old TV show because it's so sanitized and so safe.

That's because it's regulated by the federal government.

Like it or not, that is the law.

If you don't like it, let's change the law.

But the law is that there are community standards, community standards, not national standards, community standards?

Now, listen to what he says next.

Kimball is free to do that.

But if you have a broadcast TV license, that means that you have something that very few people have, and you're excluding other people from having access to that valuable public resource.

And it comes with an obligation to serve the public interest.

And again, over the years, there's been a rule in place at the FCC that local TV stations get to preempt programming that they don't think meets the needs of their communities.

But recently, these national programmers, ABC, Disney, Comcast, NBC, they've been exercising outsize control and power over those local TV stations, and there's been no pushback.

And this is a very significant moment because local broadcasters are now pushing back on national programmers for the first time that I can think of in modern history.

Okay, so what so listen to what he's saying here.

He's saying that you have, and I disagree with this, actually.

I don't like the FCC.

I never have liked the FCC.

I've done this for almost 50 years.

Believe me, my experience with the FCC.

But the FCC regulates what he said.

You have, if you have a broadcast license, you have access to people, something that everybody doesn't have, and that is the airspace.

There are only so many frequencies available.

We don't need any of that anymore as long as the internet stays alive.

Okay.

We needed that before there was internet so you could broadcast something to the whole country or to your local community.

So you have that frequency, you know, 95.5

on FM.

You have that frequency and that is licensed to you as long as you uphold community standards and you are serving the public.

Okay.

Now, the next thing he says is you have the right to preempt things nationally if it doesn't serve your local interests.

Now, he gets into something here that I'm not aware of.

And so this is where it could get fuzzy on me.

He says, now they have outsized power.

The national networks have outsized power, and it's the first time local broadcast has pushed back on that outsized power.

The license does not belong to the networks, the license belongs to the local stations.

What he went on to say is, I am trying to empower the local stations.

That is where the power should be.

Not at the corporate level, not at the national level, not at the network level.

The ones that hold the license, they're the ones who have the responsibility to serve the public.

And if that company says, I don't want to carry this show anymore, I want to preempt this show, that's where the power should be,

not with the government, but with the local license holder.

I don't know what the problem is on that.

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