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Well, everybody's quite upset today because they cannot believe that Donald Trump would dare think about, you know, looking into domestic terrorist organizations and deeming something like, oh, I don't know, Antifa, a domestic terror organization.

How could the president even think about doing anything like that?

My gosh, he's a fascist.

Did you say the F-word again?

Are you calling him a fascist again?

Boy, there's no trouble that ever comes out of that, is there, fascists?

Well, you just got a t-shirt right fascist on it, to quote Keith Oberman.

I guess I should explain who he is, but nobody really cares.

So I'm going to move on from that.

We're going to talk about all the things that are going on, including the latest polls on violence.

Gee, who really likes violence?

Who doesn't like like violence?

Hmm, you're gonna find this a shocking bowl.

We'll do that in just a second.

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President Trump is supportive of designating Antifa a domestic terror organization.

Oh, no.

And as he and his aides consider how to respond to an increase in political violence, a concern pushed into the spotlight after last week's assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Now,

he's also,

brace yourself for this too, because the Democrats would never do this.

He's also looking into RICO charges.

He's looking at people who have been putting millions and millions of dollars up for this agitation and actually charging them with RICO.

Now, if you don't know what RICO is,

RICO is what

the

state AG in Georgia used to charge Donald Trump

to overturn Georgia's election results in 2020.

Oh, wow.

So it's what the Democrats used against Donald Trump when they were trying to put him in prison.

But how dare him think about using RICO charges?

No.

What kind of fascistic, fascist, fascist, fathead fascist is this guy?

My God.

Can you believe it, Glenn?

Can you

believe that a president would use the law

and target his political opponents?

I know.

It seems crazy.

You know one person who actually could believe that that might happen?

Me,

you,

every single person in this audience who just had to deal with multiple democratic administrations who kept doing that over and over and over and over again.

I seem to remember.

That's exactly what a fascist would say.

Oh, speaking of fascism, fascism, good thing to bring up.

I seem to remember a giant speech in front of a red wall that looked like a scene out of a Star Wars sequel where the president of the United States spent an hour outlining how every single one of his opponents were domestic terrorists and capable of violence at any moment and how he needed to crack down on it.

I seem to remember this over and over.

Here you are engaging in what about ism when all we're talking about the fascistic fascist fathead that is nothing but a fascist who loves fascism, Donald Trump trying to use the RICO Act and forget about what the Democrats used the RICO Act for last time.

How dare he try to use the RICO Act to get people and put them in jail for actually financing revolution in our country?

Yeah.

You just don't get it, Stu.

I know I'm terrible at this game.

And I will say, I am sensitive to the charge of what about is.

We were critical of those efforts in both of those administrations.

And so I stand up here to

we will make an important designation here in a moment because there is a massive difference as to what we were talking about then

and what we're talking about now.

These are not the same.

They're not the same at all.

But I just want to make it clear that I very much can picture, I can picture a president going after his political opponents and calling them all terrorists and saying he's going to crack down on all their organizations.

I can even picture, you want to say, you want to go crazy, I can even picture a time in which people like David Barton were put on extremist lists.

I can remember that time.

I can remember, I can even remember, Glenn, a time in which

we put mothers and fathers who went to school board hearings on domestic terrorist watch lists.

This I can remember.

It's okay.

Hang on just a second.

I am having a hard time with your logic here because you said you wanted to picture it and you could picture.

Well, are you picturing it or are you remembering it, Stu?

Be consistent.

I've fallen out of character.

I can picture all of these things occurring because they very much did occur over and over and over again.

Most of my adult life, Glenn, has been spent being either rumored or directly accused of being on a terrorist extremist watch list.

For what?

I want lower taxes?

This has been

the entire run of this show.

We are in.

If you go to Apple iTunes, I'm pretty sure we're under the domestic extremist category.

So I very much can understand and picture how this could occur.

Now,

as I'm sure someone yelling whataboutism at their radio can attest, we were very critical of those efforts.

And it is absolutely true

and legitimate to bring up that criticism.

So what is the difference?

The difference is clear.

And if you listened, actually listened, and I know a lot of you people who are in the media today that might be tuning in now to try to catch us saying something bad today, whatever your stupid failure of a life job is where you critique and transcript our shows, you might be thinking, well, well, wait a minute,

I remember this because I was listening and obsessing about everything that has been said on this show for multiple years, that they were critical of those efforts.

That is true.

And if you listen to the actual vice president in his

filling in for Charlie Kirk yesterday, he outlined very clearly what he was talking about.

First of all, he did name specific groups like the Ford Foundation, like the Open Society Institute, that are starting,

that are pathways for all of this stuff.

And we've talked about that many times.

I heard the phrase without evidence over and over and over again.

Donald Trump said, without evidence.

J.D.

Vance said, without evidence.

That one was bothering me for multiple reasons.

Let me just play

the funding of violence by George Soros.

Here's J.D.

Vance yesterday, cut two.

First, we must tell the truth.

It's the only way to honor Charlie, for what was he, if not a man who told the truth in every place, in every environment.

Another truth is that 26% of young liberals believe political violence is sometimes justified.

26.

And only 7% of young conservatives say the same.

Again, too high a number.

In a country of 330 million people, you can of course find one person of a given political persuasion justifying this or that or almost anything.

But the data is clear.

People on the left are much likelier to defend and celebrate political violence.

This is not a both sides problem.

If both sides have a problem, one side has a much bigger and malignant problem, and that is the truth we must be told.

Now, the most influential conservative activist in generations, our friend Charlie, has been murdered.

This violence, it doesn't come from nowhere.

Now, any political movement, violent or not violent, is a collection of forces.

It's like a pyramid that stacks on top, one support on top of the other.

That pyramid's got a foundation of donors, of activists, of journalists, now of social media influencers, and of course of politicians.

Not every member of that pyramid would commit a murder.

In fact, over 99% I'm sure would not.

But by celebrating that murder, apologizing for it, and emphasizing not Charlie's innocence, but the fact that he said things some didn't like, even to the point of lying about what he actually said, many of these people are creating an environment where things like this are inevitably going to happen.

We can thank God that most Democrats don't share these attitudes, and I do, while acknowledging that something has gone very wrong.

with a lunatic fringe, a minority, but a growing and powerful minority on the far left.

There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents' politics.

There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder.

There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend.

There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination.

And there is no unity with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree.

Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, do you know they benefit from generous tax treatment?

They are literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer.

And how do they reward us?

By setting fire to the house built by the American family over 250 years.

I am desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend.

I want it so badly that I will tell you a difficult truth.

We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable and when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country.

You know,

listen to his facts.

He said 99%

of those on the left would never do anything like this.

He was talking about the pyramid.

And 99, I'm sure 99%.

Listen, the guy can't even do math.

It's 74% wouldn't do it because 26%

say they're for the violence.

Oh, it's only four times.

We're told over and over again this is a both sides problem.

And if I look,

if I have to hear another person acknowledge an incident that was legitimately terrible,

the Minneapolis

shooting of the two people

in Minneapolis, which was legitimately bad.

And if you want to blame that on one side, it did.

Made a big deal out of it.

Yep.

Absolutely horrible.

I literally, literally met zero people or even saw even one tweet supporting that, celebrating it, laughing about it.

I saw nothing.

Now, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I think that'll go to the darkest corners of the internet.

Why isn't this as big as the Charlie Kirk murder?

Well, why isn't this just as big?

It's the whataboutism.

You have your murder.

We had our murder.

How come you make a big deal out of Charlie Kirk?

Well, first of all, I think, as most people would know, Charlie Kirk is one of the most famous people in politics.

He was one of the most well-known and powerful people in the entire conservative movement.

That does not mean to demean the life being taken by

the people in Minnesota.

But quite clearly,

as you know, every time they recount this, they don't say their names.

They didn't even know their names before.

They don't even know them now.

They're just using them as an argument, these poor two people that were killed.

They're using them as an argument to try to deflect off of their own side and the violence problem that the left has.

This is a real thing.

You could try to deflect it all you want, but all of these examples keep piling up on one side of the ledger.

And, you know, what J.D.

Vance points out with facts, he gave several polls there, showing 3, 4, 5x the problem on the left as we do of the right.

We do have a problem on the right, as J.D.

Vance acknowledged multiple times.

Even 7% is way too high to accept political violence.

That should be zero.

However, the problem is much larger on the other side.

And to be clear here,

we keep hearing this giant crackdown, an awful thing that's going to happen that's going to trample all of our rights.

We have one example of the types of policies they're talking about here that was outlined by the vice president of the United States, targeting the favorable tax treatment of the organizations fomenting this violence.

That is what has been proposed here, as far as I can tell.

And Antifa being designated a terrorist group.

Those are the two things that have been tossed out there.

You're forgetting that they want to use the RICO Act, something that is clearly only something that the Attorney General in Georgia could use against Donald Trump.

Let's move on from that.

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Yeah, but it's only 26% say that political violence is okay, Stu.

Only a quarter.

Only 26%.

A little more than a quarter, I suppose.

Just so you know, do you think it's pretty out there when you hear hear people go,

gee, we never went to the moon.

We never went to the moon.

Oh, yeah.

That's way out there.

That's pretty out there, right?

Yeah.

But you could say it's growing.

There's a growing number of people that are saying we never went to the moon.

Yeah, it seems like.

The current number, I think, is 16%.

Okay.

16.

16.

Which is up, but it's still very.

It's way up.

It used to be 7.

Yeah, it used to be 7.

It used to be 7.

Still very much lower than 26.

I'm not a mathematician, though my understanding is that 26 is still to this day higher than 16 or 7.

Yeah, that's weird.

That's weird.

So you're not,

you're looking at

a pretty large,

dare I say it, dare I say it.

I don't want to get...

I mean, this show is known for its science and its

and its mathematics.

We get into heavy math and heavy science all the time here.

But dare I say it and bring it up.

And Stu, maybe you can break this down for the people.

That's just one percentage point over a quarter of the population

for the left.

Of the left, yeah.

That's interesting.

I would also argue, you know, you have the 7% of the moon supporters when it was really, really fringe and no one ever ever talked about, you know, the moon landing was faked.

That's the same percentage it currently is for the right to approve of political violence.

As the vice president said,

very much too high.

But it's almost impossible to have percentages lower than 5% to 7% in these posts.

Somebody always believes something crazy.

Right.

When we were doing interviews on the moon, you know, 7% were like, we're not on the moon.

That's a movie set.

Okay.

When it was very, very clear, yeah, we went to the moon.

Now, with all of the, you know, indoctrination and everything else that everybody's questioning, now you've got, you know, 10% more, just under 10% that are like, we never went to the moon.

We never went to the moon.

That number is growing, but unfortunately, so is the call for political violence.

Okay?

And yeah, it is bad

on the right.

I'd like that number to be zero.

But again,

that's the number of people who thought we didn't go to the moon about 20 years ago.

when everybody knew we went to the moon.

Still, 7% is really bad.

26%

is much, much worse.

I just want to point that out.

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I'm on my way to Phoenix for the rest of the week.

I will be at TPUSA tomorrow, filling in for Charlie Kirk.

And I am honored to,

I have to tell you, boy,

I don't know what it's going to feel like to sit in his chair.

But

we'll do that tomorrow.

Listen, I want to talk to you about a friend of mine.

I have a very dear friend.

She's a mom.

She has some older kids.

Later in life, she had a surprise, and it was a joyful surprise.

So she still has one young son at home.

I remember she told me years ago when her son was four,

he was getting ready for bed one night.

And she pulled his pajamas on over his head.

And she took her face in his hands.

And she said, I just love you so much.

And her son reached out, grabbed her face, and said, Mom,

someday I'm going to have to fight a great battle, and you are not getting me ready for it.

Now, when she told me this, I said, What are you telling your four-year-old?

You're like, By the way, Jesus is coming, and there's going to be a great battle, and the devil's going to get you.

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Never.

She's like, He's four.

Why would I be saying anything like that?

And

she was just, her and her husband were like, what, what is happening?

And he was dead set.

There is a great battle coming and I have to fight it and you're not preparing me for it.

Now he's 11.

She called me

after the shooting with Charlie.

And she told me that the shooting reminded her of that moment with her son.

And then she said something so tragic, because I know this woman.

I just, I love her to death.

And I know,

I know her heart, and I know the way she's raising her kids.

And she said to me,

I don't think I have been raising him, Glenn.

Even knowing that I'm supposed to,

I don't know if I've done enough to prepare him for what's coming next, to get ready

him to get ready for what he has to do in his life.

We all go through this one way or another as our kids, my kids, my two younger kids moved out of the house this year

and

I'm terrified.

I'm terrified because Tanya and I both say we didn't do enough.

We didn't do enough.

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I mean,

the work we have to do

is the work of uniting all of us.

This generation, I'm absolutely convinced, this generation is the generation that has been sent here at this time for a reason.

And I think I know what that reason is, but I could be wrong.

I don't know.

But I know it.

And I've seen it.

I've had two gatherings of youth at my house in the last 10 days.

I had about 70 people over at my house last Sunday, and I think I had about 50 people over

the Tuesday before Charlie

was shot.

And I sat there and I taught them civics and history of our country.

And I showed them artifacts and tried to engage with them

to get them to see the things that I see that they have never been taught.

And I saw it in their eyes.

They are engaged.

And many of them know.

Tough times are coming and while they don't want to talk about it per se,

they know.

They know they're going to be the ones that are going to fix this and change this and take all of this on.

I see it in the faces of my own children.

My friend sees it in the face of her four-year-old who's now 11.

And I think you see it too.

The God-given potential of the generations

that are behind us, that are now coming up.

William Wordsworth, the poet, said that birth is not the beginning of our existence.

Quote, Trailing clouds of glory, do we come from God who is our home?

Each child comes to us with this divine light inside, an infinite potential.

And if you've had more than one kid, you know it's not just nurture, because all four of my kids are wildly different.

As the kids raised the flag here at my ranch on Sunday,

I looked around at them

and I wished I could show them what I saw in them, the potential that all of them.

I wish I could share with the youth just the glimpse of what I see.

I wish I could send them a YouTube or Instagram or TikTok video of who they really are.

You know, a video of how I really see them, how God sees them.

But I think that is our mission.

And we have to understand, can you imagine what the parents of the shooter feel like today?

Hush, if you live in their community, I hope you let them know they're not alone.

I mean,

not to excuse the shooter or anything else,

but my gosh,

I've raised 14 teenagers now, and it is not easy.

And all of us, all of us,

we all know

you've got a wayward kid.

And in today's world, it's even worse because there are predators out there waiting to take your kid.

Our job,

I used to think it was to save America, but our job is actually bigger than that.

Our job is to lead the next generation to their work and not tell them exactly how to do it.

Because I don't know how to do it, do you?

If I knew how to do it, I think we'd be doing it.

I think too many of us think they're not capable.

And we're treating our kids like kids.

Stop it.

They're not kids at 26.

I don't think they're kids at 16.

Things have changed.

Childhood has changed.

Stop treating them like children.

I mean,

I know I'm like you.

I get frustrated that our

kids, you know,

they're not like we used to be.

They didn't have.

You know who used to say that too?

The greatest generation?

Their parents used to say that too they didn't have to work hard for a living they don't know what it's like without these

this is literally what they said without these fancy cars and refrigeration they don't know what it was like to get a block of ice out of the lake and bring it to keep your food cold they're never going to be able to fight anything they're weak

they were the greatest generation

We got to stop calling these guys lazy and lost because they're not.

They may be lost, but just as lost as you and I are, I got to tell you, I'm lost.

I fight every single day with something.

There's something in my head.

Oh, man, pray for me, please.

I've got so many things.

I've got this tangled knot in my head right now.

And I haven't had this.

Honestly, I had the opportunity to baptize my niece on Saturday and her husband.

And I stood in the the waters, and I'm like, Lord,

can we just start over with me too?

Can I just, you know, I know I'm not going under the water.

I'm baptizing somebody, but can we just start all over?

Because I got this tangled knot in me, and I've got so many things.

What I did, what I didn't do, and I got to get rid of it all.

Take it from me, please.

Take it.

They're lost, but let's admit it, so are we.

And I know the answer for me.

We just have to put our hand out to bring them, to bring them with us

and ask them to bring us with them as they fight for freedom.

Bible says, And about the 11th hour he went out and found the others standing idle,

and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

They said unto him,

Because no man has hired us.

We have left them idle because we have, we've made the decision that they're not as capable as we are.

Have you ever worked for somebody like that?

No, I'll just do it myself.

You don't get anywhere with that kind of person.

They weren't sent here to be like us.

That's the point.

Again, if we could have fixed it, we would have fixed it.

They weren't sent here to be like us.

They were sent here to be the battalion that God needs needs them to be for this time and for this moment.

Let's stop trying to shape them in our image.

It's our call to help them see who they are and to grow into the image that God has intended for them.

I would love for my

I'd love for my son or daughter to be like me.

You know, like the things I like because we'd have such an easy time on things and, you know, do the things that I want you to do.

That's not the way it is.

It's not the way it's supposed to be.

It's our call to help them.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds and from one end of heaven to the other.

I think Charlie was one of those angels.

I do.

He saw the potential in the youth, even though the culture was saying they were addicted to screens and they're apathetic and

they don't know what it's like to go drag the ice out of the lake.

Charlie was gathering the elect so they could bring together all of God's children from the four corners of the earth.

Now it's our turn.

We are the angels and they are the elect.

Charlie saw that.

Charlie lived that.

And it's time for people of my age to live that too.

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Dad,

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89.

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Got a lot to talk to you about.

Robert Redford has died today.

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No, not the RICO Act.

You mean the same act that the Democrats used to go after Donald Trump?

You mean that RICO Act?

I can't believe a president would use that.

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do we have the audio of Pam Bondi by any chance when she was talking about hate speech?

Listen to this.

There's free speech and then there's hate speech.

And there is no place, especially now, especially after what what happened to Charlie, in our society.

Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people so we show them that some action is better than no action?

We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything.

And that's across the aisle.

Okay.

No.

No.

Hate speech does not exist.

Now, let me just say this.

Anybody who happens to be listening and go, you know, Gladbeck, he's just

locked, stock, and barrel and

just walking because his Zionist masters or Donald Trump tells him what to say or whatever.

I've never been that guy.

You know that if you've listened to this program, believe me, Donald Trump knows that.

Just thinking, I'm sorry, thinking of a funny exchange Donald Trump and I had had about this very thing.

But I say it like I feel it is, okay?

It doesn't make it right or wrong.

That's up for you to decide.

I'm telling you my opinion.

And my opinion is this is wrong.

And luckily, we'll get to it here in a second.

She has changed it.

But let me explain.

Hate speech doesn't exist.

The only kind of speech that can, anybody can do anything about, especially the government, is speech that directly um and uh what is it not urgently but uh quickly imminently i can't remember imminently imminently leads to violence okay so it has to be you saying i want you to pick up that gun and shoot somebody and then that person picks up the gun and shoots somebody

quickly yeah okay i think the term is it's likely to lead to imminent violence doesn't necessarily have to correct but it has to correct yeah so these are really high standards.

Very high standards.

Very high standards.

Why?

Because if you don't have that, you turn into, oh, I don't know, England.

Have you seen what's happening with England?

And let me ask everybody on the left and the right: do you want to put people in jail?

I don't want to answer.

I don't want to ask this question because I'm so afraid of the answer from half the population.

Because 26%, we just found out a new poll, 26% of those on the left say it's okay to kill Charlie Kirk.

25% of Americans on the left that vote Democrat say the world is a better place without Charlie Kirk.

What is wrong with you?

What is wrong with you?

So

I'm a little afraid to ask this question.

But do you want to put people in jail for what they say, what they believe?

You know, I don't want to put anyone in jail because they call me a fascist.

You're just wrong.

You're ignorant and you're wrong.

I mean, the more you say it, the more ignorant you become because all I have to do is go to the dictionary and look up what fascism is.

And I don't fit in that category.

I look up what fascism is, the actual definition of fascism, and there's one president, one, one,

that I can actually say was going down a fascistic road.

And that was Joe Biden.

And literally fascistic road.

because of his public-private partnership.

Now, a lot of presidents have done that, but he took that and went way, way, way, way, way down the road.

He was trying to change capitalism entirely into these public-private partnerships.

That is the definition of fascism.

So please don't

start in on your fascistic stuff.

You're an idiot.

But idiots have a right to exist.

You have a right to your opinion.

I would like...

I'd like to live in a world where we can all look at each other and go,

we're all on the road of being right.

I don't know where you are.

You might be a few blocks ahead of me or a few blocks behind me or maybe miles behind or miles ahead.

I don't know.

But I just want to understand where you are.

How did you get there?

How did you get there?

And I want to have a decent conversation with you.

This is why I admire Charlie Kirk so much.

I could never do that.

Never.

I couldn't go to, I could not be surrounded by so many people who are just so stupid and won't, and just

won't listen.

I'll listen to you.

I'll listen to you.

Can you stop trying to be right?

And can we just listen to each other?

How did you get there?

What makes you feel that way?

Okay.

Well,

let me throw this out.

Do you know what that actually means?

You know what the definition is?

Oh, now you're blah, blah, blah.

That's where I stop.

That's where I stop.

I'm not Charlie.

I'm not a good enough person to be Charlie Kirk and listen to all of that.

I try, and we need to get better at it, and I need to get better at it.

But

that's where I want to live.

I want to live in a world where we can actually have a conversation with each other.

But facts actually matter.

Facts matter.

Logic, critical thinking actually matters.

History actually matters.

I don't know if we live in

that world.

But I know this.

I don't want to live in a world where you can be shot for your opinion.

Okay, that's not America.

I don't know what country that is, but that's not America.

That's not even England.

That's not France.

That's

nothing Western.

I don't want to live in that world.

I also don't want to live in a world like England is doing right now, where if you disagree with me, you can cancel me

or you can throw me in jail.

It starts with cancellation, and when cancellation isn't good enough, well, then they start throwing you in jail.

and there is a difference between canceling somebody for what they might have said or what they did or whatever 20 years ago canceling somebody because i won't put the black box on my screen i i i'm sorry i don't think and as it turns out one of us was right and one of us was wrong i'm sorry One of us was ahead of the other on the road to being right.

And that is, BLM turns out to be a total sham.

It wasn't a civil rights movement.

It was a sham.

And we all knew it at the time.

People just denied it.

And you canceling me because I won't stand up for BLM?

No, not going to.

Not going to.

There's a difference between that and then saying, wait a minute, you celebrated death?

You think it's okay to kill somebody for their political ideology and what they say?

You think it's okay to shoot them and assassinate them?

No, I don't want to work with you.

And I would be like that if anybody in my employe ever said, you know what, you know what we got to do?

We just have to kill XYZ because of their opinion on XYZ.

You're fired.

You're fired.

And not because I want to punish you.

I don't want you in my organization.

I think you're poison.

I think you're poison.

And don't think I wouldn't do it because I would do it.

And I would feel justified in doing it.

You can't have teachers that are teaching the young that think it's okay to have political violence.

It's not okay.

You know, I'm not neutral on a few people, doctors.

You see that story about the doctor that, you know, was fired.

The nurse was going to be fired because the doctor's coming out with a patient and comes up and one of the nurses said, do you hear that Charlie Kirk died?

And he said, good.

I'm glad he brought it on himself.

I didn't like Charlie Kirk.

You know, I think that's fine.

And the nurse is like, how can you possibly say that?

How can you possibly say that?

And then tell this patient that, you know, you're going to help them out and everything.

Would you help out Charlie Kirk?

What if this patient actually believes what Charlie Kirk does?

Are you going to give them less service?

She was fired.

She put it up on social media.

Now she's got her job back and the doctor's been fired.

And quite honestly, that's a position of trust.

And don't tell me that I'm making something up because how many doctors said, doctors

said that if you disagreed with what the government said about COVID and the vaccines, you shouldn't be treated.

That somehow or another, you were subhuman.

How is that possible?

How is that possible?

It's possible because you let politics start playing a role and you start dehumanizing people.

So anyway, I'm sorry, I'm off on a rant on a tangent here.

I just wanted to talk about freedom of speech.

There is no such thing as hate speech.

There is speech that leads directly to violence and that has to be stopped.

But speech is just speech.

It might indicate that you're a hater,

but

there's no punishment for hate speech, period.

If you're threatening members of Congress, if you're threatening other people, that's not hate speech.

That's threatening speech.

And that's in its own category.

We got to stop with this.

You know what hate speech leads to?

Oh, that person killed this person.

And we got them on hate speech too.

So we can give them more time.

Well, wait a minute.

Why give them more time than the other person that was killed over here?

That person hated them too, but they don't fall into a certain category, so we don't give them the same kind of punishment.

What is

What is that?

That's not a country I want to live in.

That's not equal justice.

No, and I will say I'm pretty encouraged by the reaction on the right to what Pam Bondi said.

You know, it's been pretty much universal.

No thanks.

on that one.

And I, you know, look, we've all seen, one of the reasons we've worried and warned the left about this type of behavior was you're not going to like it if it gets applied to you.

And they won't.

I mean, and it shouldn't be.

Look, this is a country where

we do allow, I mean,

the standards for speech that violates

these sorts of ideas are, as you point out, really, really high, appropriately high.

At times, it feels too high.

And that's exactly how it should feel.

It should make you feel uncomfortable that we're allowing too much.

That is exactly the correct standard.

And there's going to be a lot of times where we're going to hate that.

We're going to not like it.

We're going to be angry about it.

I'm angry about it a lot, but

it's the correct way to approach this stuff.

And even people who are, you know, maybe not as

free speech absolutist or as close to that as we might be, Glenn, even people on the right that are not necessarily in our lane on that particular issue are critical of this.

This is a rogue.

You do not want to do a really good thing.

You do not want to go down that.

And I would just like to point out to the New York Times and Washington Post and everybody else, if you don't think that we don't have the ability,

the power,

the righteous indignation, and the moment that the things like the Patriot Act are born in, which was a very bad thing, you're wrong.

You're wrong.

If those on the left or those on the right decided to be the monsters that some on the left are that just want to just my way and everybody else can go to jail or be dead, we could do that right now.

And we're not.

I think our side is showing extraordinary restraint.

Extraordinary.

I shouldn't say that.

Appropriate American constitutional restraint.

For everything that the left has put the right through, all the names you have called us and everything else, all of the, you know, I total it up with my wife the other day.

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on security.

That's insanity.

That's insanity.

You know how many jobs I could have created with that?

Do you know how many things I could have done with that?

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Why do I have to do it?

I shouldn't have to do it.

I do because the left is out of control.

Then I warn everybody in my position: you need to spend the money.

If you want your voice to be heard and you to live and be with your family, you have to spend the money.

And even then, you're rolling the dice.

Why?

Why?

Because one side is completely out of control.

The other side has a problem.

7%.

The left has a 26%

number.

They think it's okay to kill people.

7 is out of control.

26% is a radical disease.

I am proud of our side.

Thus far, not screaming for blood, not screaming for the Patriot Act, not screaming for extra-constitutional things to be done.

So far, we have handled this perfectly.

Let's continue to do that.

But I would just like to point that out for those who might be listening from the New York Times or Washington Post or anywhere else.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for pretending that we are not

restraining ourselves.

We're pretending that what is happening in this country on one side is damn near miraculous.

In this climate, do you really think if the roles were reversed that your side wouldn't be confiscating guns and everything else right now?

You know you would be.

You'd be silencing speech.

There'd be all kinds of new laws being proposed.

The government, the president would be taking extra constitutional action.

We're not doing it.

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You know, Glenn, one other thing that's a little disturbing on this, and I know Pambody has taken a lot of criticism, but

she kind of doubled down on this after and said,

if someone requests a Charlie Kirk poster to be printed, the printing store should have to print it, and we can go after you.

I mean, this is the bake the cake story in reverse.

And like, these are,

my issue here is this is not graduate school conservatism.

You don't need to get through 12 years of conservative college to get to the points where you should understand that the hate speech thing is not a thing and that the you should not be forcing people to bake the cake.

These are things you should learn really early on.

And if she's running

all of these very important pieces of our Justice Department right now with

this sort of like, I don't know, reactionary sort of position on a lot of this stuff, it's really a disturbing situation.

And I know the president's been very defensive of her.

I'm sure she's done some good things behind the scenes, but

you got to have more depth on this.

At the very least, you got to be able to say, hey, this is why I think this is different than all of these positions we've all held all of these years.

I'm not sure what's going on here.

I'm going to show you another disturbing trend that the right,

I think, has it right, but some progressives on the right have it wrong, and you need to understand the difference.

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May I compliment somebody on the left that does not agree with a word I I say, and I know because I know this individual, Jamie Lee Curtis.

Jamie Lee Curtis came out and made a statement about Charlie Kirk, and I want you to hear it.

Charlie Crist was killed two days ago.

Kirk, yeah, Charlie.

I'm sorry.

Kirk.

Kirk.

I just call him Christ, I think, because of Christ, because

of his deep, deep belief.

I mean,

I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say.

But I believe he was a man of faith.

And I hope in that moment when he died

that he felt connected to his faith, even though I find what he

his ideas were abhorrent to me.

I still believe he's a father and a husband and a man of faith.

And I hope whatever connection to God

means that he felt it.

Yesterday was 9-11.

I know there is video

of his assassination.

I know people who've seen it.

Yesterday we watched again

these images of those buildings coming down.

We as a society are bombarded with imagery.

So we don't know what the longitudinal effects of seeing those towers come down over and over and over and over again or watching

his execution

over and over and over again.

We watched the Zabruder film, by the way, my birthday, November 22nd.

I'm associated with this awful day of someone being assassinated on television.

But it's, as you know, this Bruder film is the only visual document that moves,

that shares that horror of what happened.

But here we have now these images.

All the time, every day.

And we are inured to them and we are numb to them, but they are in there.

We don't know.

We don't know enough psychologically about what that does.

What does that do?

That kind of, I don't ever want to see this footage of this man being

I didn't watch it.

I think it diminishes the depth of humanity.

Now, I would like to point out

that she's making a very good point of what this does to you psychologically.

She is also,

you know, making,

you know, the Halloween movie, the Halloween movies as well.

And I would like to just point out, and this is not a critique on her, because I love her.

I love what she just said.

She strongly disagrees with him, but she handled it perfectly.

But

I would like people who make movies to ask themselves,

okay, but are we also

cheapening death and life

by the movies we make?

Because I think the answer to that is yes.

I don't know by how much, you know, but it has to.

You put garbage in, you get garbage out.

But again, she handled that perfectly.

And I don't know how, if she's getting hate or anything else.

I know it's talked about this yesterday that Kristen Chenoweth, a big Broadway star, did the same thing.

And she is being blackballed now by her own industry.

For what?

For standing up and saying this guy shouldn't have been shot?

I mean, it just shows the depth of

darkness that is living in our society.

And it just has to stop.

So thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for handling this the right way.

And, you know, it's funny because

I met Jamie Lee Curtis.

She was on my show years ago.

And,

oh my gosh, you found a picture.

Oof, if you're watching The Blaze, wow, is that even me?

No.

Oh, wow.

But

she looks great then and now, weirdly.

She can't say the same.

No, thank you.

But she was on my show at that time, and I'll never forget.

Do you remember I spent an hour with her?

And at the first, she was sitting in her chair and she was just pushed back and she had her arms crossed or across her chest.

And I said to her at one point, I said, are you okay?

And she said, you scare me.

And I said, what do you mean?

And she said, you scare me.

I watch your show, and sometimes you say things that scare me.

And so we talked about it.

And that picture was taken after.

And look at her.

I mean, she's next to me.

She's got her head on my shoulder, her arm around my arm.

And I thought we had become not friends, but friendly.

to one another.

And we still disagreed with each other.

We still disagreed with each other, but she was a a reasonable human being.

And obviously she is still a reasonable human being that I

disagree with almost everything she says.

And I'm sure she says the same thing about me.

But thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for being a decent human being.

Thank you for that.

Now I wish that could happen to everybody who steps out of line.

And I mean that on both sides, not on this issue, but you know, sometimes, you know, you step out of line.

Who are you to say that?

Now, let me take you to New York.

A decision has just been made, and one I absolutely, positively do not understand.

And we're going to get, we need to get Andrew McCarthy or somebody on today or tomorrow to

help me out with this one.

But the killer of the United Healthcare CEO,

let's remember who he is.

He went to New York with a gun with the intention of killing that guy.

Stu, I know we have laws.

When you have a plan to murder someone

and it's a well-thought-out plan, and then you do murder them, what is that called?

We usually call it first-degree murder.

First-degree murder.

Why?

What is premeditation?

With first-degree.

Yeah.

Premeditation.

Okay?

Premeditation.

Did he have premeditation?

Absolutely without question.

Without question.

Without question.

Have you heard any piece of evidence that would make you say, well, that is kind of questionable?

No, not at all.

Not at all.

The New York, is it the Supreme Court?

The New York Supreme Court?

New York Supreme Court Justice Gregory Caro

is his name.

He said the evidence presented to the grand jury does not support charges of murder in the first and second degrees under the state's terrorism statute.

Now, when I first read that, and this is why Andy McCarthy would be perfect on this because he actually operated in this world constantly, but like, you know, a terrorism statute, there are certain things, and we've seen this in previous cases in New York, where the normal way we use a term is not the way the law is exactly written.

And so, to me, this is absolute crystal clear terrorism.

This is what he was trying to do.

He was trying to create a sense sense in his own words, basically, about how he wanted these executives to walk around constantly turning their heads, wondering whether they're going to get shot or not, right?

Like this is.

That is

the textbook definition of terrorism.

By the way, Andy McCarthy just confirmed he'll be with us in 45 minutes.

Oh, perfect.

He'll explain this.

So we're going to get...

Yeah, he'll explain this.

We're going to get the answer on this one.

But that is the textbook definition of terrorism.

Murder in the first degree, the textbook definition is: I've got a plan, I'm going to go kill this guy, I'm bringing a gun, I'm driving through the tunnels, I'm going in, I'm parking my car, I'm waiting for him outside of his hotel to come in or come out so I can shoot him.

That's the definition of premeditated murder.

And the Charlie Kirk situation would be the same type of thing, right?

Like both terrorism and premeditated first-degree murder.

I mean, it is as exactly right.

Now, again, not being an attorney in New York, it's possible that that that terrorism situation has some distinct characteristic that makes this not qualify.

We'll know that from the trial to terrorism and just try him for first-degree murder.

This is what they say.

I mean, this murderer, which I'm not going to say his name for many reasons, will still face trial on murder in the second degree and other related counts.

But he no longer, Glenn, faces the possibility.

of life in prison without parole.

Let me just tell you something.

New York, you keep down going down this road you're going to elect mom donny and you're going to have free buses which are going to be basically mobile homes for the homeless um you're going to have crime that is absolutely out of control your your industries in new york city are absolutely going to collapse you keep passing these laws you keep doing these things with these democrats that are far leftist

in your state you are going to get the future you so richly deserve now when i say that i just want to put a caveat caveat.

When I say richly deserve, do not confuse that with being rich because there won't be any businesses that will want to do business in New York State or New York City.

So don't confuse the future that you so richly deserve with actually being rich.

You will be poor.

You will be destitute.

You will be living in an absolute hellhole.

You cannot look at look.

I mean, the choices between left and right, good and evil, have never been more clear in my life.

In my lifetime, they've never been as clear as they are this week, just this week.

Are you celebrating the death of somebody?

Are you excusing the death of somebody?

Okay, nobody excused, I mean, well, I'm sure there were people that excused the death of Martin Luther King, but is it anybody you'd want to be associated with?

Was there anybody that was excusing the death of JFK or RFK?

Sure, there were.

Is it anybody you would want to be associated with?

Why are you doing it today?

Why are you doing it today?

You should be crystal clear on that.

Crystal clear.

And so much of America is not crystal clear on that.

When it comes to policing our own streets, you can disagree with what the president is doing.

Well, you actually can't because he did it legally in D.C.

And he's doing it now in Memphis because he was invited in by the governor exactly the way the Constitution calls.

You could have argued with him if he would have gone into Chicago, and I would have been on your side, making a case both ways, but probably leaning more towards your way.

I'd have to see how he did it.

But he can't just bring in troops without very specific things.

So he didn't do that.

But how are you arguing against policing your own streets?

How are you arguing against this guy

not being tried for first-degree murder?

like Stu said, I don't know the terrorism part.

We'll find out about that.

But what kind of loophole is that?

That's insane.

If you don't start punishing people, if you don't start holding people accountable, it's only going to get much worse.

And that is simple common sense.

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We are raising money for not only Erica and her children, the Kirk children, but also for TPUSA.

I so strongly believe in their mission, and what Charlie built was truly amazing.

And I know some of their plans for the next election, and I know how they have gotten the youth involved, and that must go on.

If you would like to just say thank you for everything that Charlie and TPUSA have done and you would like to help them, every dollar that is raised will go directly to Eric Erica so she can direct it either for her children or for TPUSA.

And you can do that at gives go.com slash

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I think

it's a nice way just to say thank you.

and that we support you and that we love you and we are behind you no matter what.

And I think too.

Givesendgo.com/slash 9-12 project.

Yeah, Erica, I think, has really moved people in the way that she's reacted to this.

My wife just keeps sending me videos of them and the family together.

She's totally

distraught.

I mean, legitimately distraught on a day-to-day basis by all of this.

Understandably, it's just so shocking that this could happen in our country and at the same time, somewhat predictable, which is why I think it's hitting us all so hard.

But I'm really glad to see that the audience is stepping up.

And it's, by the way, givesendgo.com slash 912 project.

Yes.

I'm going to be in Phoenix tomorrow at TPUSA.

I'll be filling in for Charlie on the Charlie Kirk program tomorrow.

And it is.

It's a real honor.

It's going to be really hard.

It's really hard.

It's going to be really hard.

Going to be really hard tomorrow.

I mean, you cry over the most basic things that don't make any difference at all, let alone this.

I can't even imagine.

There's going to be like four words spoken on the show.

It's going to be a disaster.

I know.

I know.

His carpet's going to be just soaked in tears after you get rid of it.

You get done with this.

But it's a great, great tribute.

And I know you were close to him.

And, you know, I mentioned this the other day, but to somebody, but like, this isn't just like he's one of us as a conservative.

He's one of us as in he was an audience member member of this show in high school.

Like, that is how one of the main ways he kind of came up through the movement.

And it's just so terrible to think about it, but I'm so proud of him and everything that he accomplished.

Yeah.

He was the one, and I know there are others, but he was one of them that I was thinking of when I said, the next George Washington is in this audience.

The next president who's going to turn this around is in this audience.

He was one of them when he was very young.

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I have to tell you, I am so proud of my nation.

I'm so proud of the response of people all across the country with Charlie Kirk.

I think the response has been incredible.

I showed you a poll earlier today that shows 26% of those on the left say that Charlie Kirk

and a political assassination is okay.

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About 25% of those on the left now think that the world is a better place without Charlie Kirk.

It's insane what's happening.

But I want to talk about our side.

Our side, so far, has been, for the most part, very, very cool.

And

there's a Jesus thing that I think is happening all over the world that is amazing to watch, the miracles that are coming.

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And I want to start with a Smith Munt story, okay?

This is something that happened in 1948 and it was very important.

I want to take you back to World War I and then I'll take you to today because Mike Lee is proposing that we reinstate this act.

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Okay, I want you to just spend a couple of minutes with me and switch everything that you've been thinking on off for a minute.

This is very important.

I want you to, I want to take you back to the world in 1948, okay?

The ashes of World War II are still warm.

The Cold War is already beginning to chill in the air.

And the Soviet Union has a propaganda machine that is in full swing.

Radio Moscow, Pravda, endless streams of anti-American stories are pouring into the homes of men and women all across the globe.

And Congress looked at this and said, we need a counterbalance on this.

America needs to tell her story to the world about liberty and about our founding ideals, and we need to tell it to the rest of the world.

This is the birth of the Smith-Munt Act, okay?

We needed to launch things at that time, like the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty.

These were not just radio stations for many who were behind the Iron Curtain.

These were lifelines.

A Polish dissident

in the 1970s, or a Hungarian who lived through the 1956 uprising, they'll tell you, they're huddled in the dark and they have that dial of that radio and they can tune it and they carefully tune it listening to an american voice break through the static and break through the darkness and says freedom is real and the world hasn't forgotten you they remember that as being very important

but

and here is the key

We as a society drew a very bright red line.

None of this could ever be used in the United States.

Congress, rightfully, was terrified of unleashing a government propaganda machine on its own citizens.

Now I want you to remember 1948 Congress is still Democrat.

Okay,

you just had 20 years of the same president, FDR.

They're about to say no president can serve that long.

The Democrats said no Democrat president, no Republican president can ever serve that long because we were so close to fascism.

So the Democrats are very concerned about the government going fascistic, and they should know about it because they remembered the Creel Commission.

Now let me take you back to World War I.

The Creel Commission is something that nobody remembers and everyone should

because it's what whipped America up into a frenzy to get us to go into World War I.

You know it because you remember the I Want You Uncle Sam poster.

And I've always hated that Uncle Sam poster because of the Creole Commission.

I love it.

I think it's really beautiful.

It was created by an artist that he didn't create it for the Creole Commission.

So, you know, he was innocent, but it was the Creole machine that plastered it on every wall, every post office, every train station.

And suddenly, Uncle Sam's finger was pointing at you.

It wasn't just a poster.

It was a summons.

You,

we need you to go to war.

Americans did not want to go to World War I.

In fact, Woodrow Wilson said, you know, the other side, he's going to put you into war.

I'm going to keep us out of war.

He knew that wasn't true.

Within three months after his re-election, we're at war.

But he had to bring the country along.

So the Creole Commission, through films and songs, films like the Kaiser, The Beast of Berlin,

it turned Germany into a cartoon villain.

George Cohen, he wrote songs over there, over there.

All of these things were done by the government as propaganda to get Americans to go over there

and fight.

Then the government went even further and they started hiring these what were called four-minute men.

Now imagine this, you're sitting in a movie theater, the film, you know, you're watching maybe the, you know, the newsreel.

And as they're changing the reels, some guy who's just in the audience stands up, walks to the front, clears his throat, and he delivers this really well thought out and rousing four-minute speech about patriotism and liberty and crushing Germany.

The government had 75,000 volunteers.

They gave millions of speeches when anybody would pause in churches and schools, in parks, in theaters.

They were called four-minute men.

This was social media before social media.

They were short bursts and they seemingly were everywhere and always on message because the message was crafted by the government.

Then the Creole group, through our government, published booklets, official bulletins.

They planted stories in the press.

This is when we really started really getting into the press.

And information

had one goal, all of the information, and that was rallies forth this rally support for the war and drown out anybody

that was disagreeing with that.

The government actually

encouraged kids to spy on their neighbors.

You were encouraged, and

postmen did this, to go through the mail.

If they saw letters that were coming in and they wanted to know who it was and

are you a German spy?

Are you somebody who is going to be against the war?

Postal workers went through your mail and it was legal at the time.

You were encouraged, operators were encouraged to listen to people's phone calls and to report if they were on the other side.

This is Germany.

In fact, because of the Creel Commission, Germans

and what's his name, the head of the German propaganda,

oh, what's his name?

The German douchebag.

I can't remember his name.

Anyway,

what was his name?

Goebbels, you're talking about Goebbels, yeah, Goebbels.

Although I like your name for him better, frankly.

Yeah, Goebbels the douchebag.

Anyway,

he said,

we lost World War I because of American propaganda, but we learned how Americans did it.

And that's what Goebbels did in World War II.

All of this propaganda, okay?

By the way, American advertising, up until World War II, it was called propaganda.

What you heard, I wouldn't have said now a message from our advertiser.

I was delivering literally, and it was cool at the time, to call it propaganda, because that's what it was.

Paid for propaganda.

But after Goebbels took it and did what he did with it, we were like, oh, propaganda is bad.

Okay.

So

here's what happened because of the Creole Commission.

They were pushing uniformity of thought.

They did that by making sure that Americans were hearing the same slogans, the same images, the same stories from every direction, which created the illusion of unanimous consent.

I want you to think about life today.

I want you to think about life during COVID.

What was the goal of the government?

To crush any dissent and to control all of the messages that were going out to make sure that you were hearing the same slogans, the same images, the same stories from every direction to give you the illusion that it was unanimous consent.

What about global warming?

It's exactly the same.

Then on top of it, the Creole Commission demonized dissent.

German Americans were part of this country forever.

In fact, we were, I think, two votes away from making German our official language as the United States, not English.

But they were all of a sudden branded as traitors.

You couldn't, a priest went to jail because he gave the last rights to a German who fell down in front of him on the streets

and was dying and a priest spoke German and gave him the last rights in German.

That priest went to jail.

Okay?

So they demonized dissent.

Then they suppressed free speech.

The propaganda campaign dovetailed with the Espionage Act of 1917, the Sedition Act of 1918.

If you criticized the draft, if you questioned the war, you could be fined, you would be ostracized, and you could go to jail.

This is Woodrow Wilson, gang.

Does any of it sound familiar?

Now, here's what the aftermath of was after the war.

When the war ended, the mask came off.

Millions were dead, and Americans felt absolutely duped.

They felt that they were tricked into going to a war that they were manipulated into.

They didn't even understand it.

And that's why we were such isolationists in the 1920s and the 1930s, because our own government had manipulated the population to go in to fight this war.

And they felt so manipulated and so betrayed by their own government, they were like, I don't want anything to do with foreign wars.

Okay?

So,

why did this happen in 1948?

Well, because in 1948, all of this stuff is happening, and we're saying, okay, we need to have

some sort of boundary because we're going to start all of this propaganda for the United States.

And it cannot ever be turned on the people of the United States.

Okay.

So then

why was it repealed?

It was repealed without any really kind of conversation because it was slipped in called the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act.

It was slipped into a defense authorization bill.

Just like it's happening right now, the government didn't pay its bills.

They couldn't come up with

a way to actually fund everything.

And so we've got to act as an emergency, otherwise all of our war machine and it's all going to stop and we're all going to die and panic.

The world's on fire and all of that.

And so somebody has slipped the bill in and we modernized it.

Why did we modernize?

Well,

because don't you like transparency?

I mean, we're doing this overseas.

We're doing all this propaganda overseas.

You're the taxpayer.

You're paying for it.

Shouldn't you see it?

There was a Congressman, Mac Thornberry.

He was one of the sponsors, and he said, quote, today the law prevents the American people from seeing or hearing the same things we broadcast overseas, and that doesn't make any sense.

We paid for it.

Okay.

Then they switched that from transparency to, and it's helping fight terrorism.

It'll let the Department of Defense and the State Department share counter-radicalization material both abroad and at home because we got to modernize this.

The internet is everywhere.

Okay.

So who doesn't want to fight terrorists?

Who doesn't want transparency?

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So in 2012, the left decides we got to get rid of this propaganda thing, okay?

Once the firewall was gone, and it was just a blip, nobody even really noticed it.

Suddenly, the government agencies could circulate public diplomacy campaigns inside of the United States.

And we saw this.

This is where you get your USAID, the NGOs doing all the things here in the United States because they can now do it.

During COVID, you saw this.

You saw government-funded messaging quietly merging with the media campaigns and big tech content moderation.

Narratives weren't debated.

They were handed out by the government and then they were enforced.

Then take the DHS

Disinformation governance board.

This is a direct descendant from this shift.

It was the government openly declaring it had a role in policing speech at home.

Look at the 2016 aftermath of the elections.

Reports now confirm that the U.S.

government funds originally intended for overseas information campaigns had filtered into domestic projects that fact-checked, flagged, and suppressed certain narratives online.

The line between foreign propaganda and domestic persuasion was completely gone.

Everything they worried about in 1948 was now happening

after 2012.

Okay, so why am I bringing this up today?

Because after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we have been asking for this to be reinstated, this Smith-Munt Act has to be reinstated.

But after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, there is a new wave of enthusiasm for this, as there should be.

But some people on our side are now demanding more than just a firewall.

You go to change.org and there's petitions for a Charlie Kirk Act.

And it will not only stop government propaganda, but it goes further than that.

It starts to punish private media, educators, social platforms for spreading what they call false narratives.

So this is...

This is our side saying, yeah, well, now we want the power to do what they did.

Okay?

Hear me clearly.

Accountability matters.

Lives are destroyed, reputations are smeared, and that matters.

But we have systems in place for that.

What this proposal opens is a new door, a door where government decides what is and isn't falsehood, and the government cannot do that.

History teaches us once the government claims the authority to define truth, liberty is gone.

Okay?

Now enter Mike Lee.

Mike Lee has another proposal.

Mike Lee has a version that he is submitting to Congress and trying to get it passed.

And every American should be for this, right or left, every American should be for this.

He's not going to reinvent the wheel.

He just wants the old firewall put back, period.

That's it.

The government must not and cannot propagandize its own people.

Restore the very bright red line that was established in 1948.

It's not about silencing speech.

It's about preventing the most powerful institution on earth with the endless resources of that institution, the government, and the endless reach from turning its fire hose of influence in on the American people.

This is why it matters.

I want you to think of football.

Oh boy, dangerous.

You wouldn't let the referee in a football game put on a jersey and join one of the teams, okay?

But that's what the repeal did.

It let the government become both the referee and the player in the arena of ideas.

Mike Lee is saying, put the stripes back on their jerseys.

Make sure they're in black and white stripes so we know exactly who they are.

Change.org and some people on our side want to make the ref not only a player, but the judge, the jury, and the executioner.

It cannot happen.

This is, I'm telling you, if this goes through, Mike Lee is proposing something that is clean, doesn't have any of this in.

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We have a good friend, Annie McCarthy, who is a National Review contributing editor.

He's also a former Chief Assistant U.S.

Attorney and a guy who, when he speaks, I almost always agree with him.

And when I don't, I'm probably wrong,

especially when it comes to things like this, because this is his expertise.

He was a former chief assistant U.S.

attorney, and he worked on terror most of his career.

I mean,

he is well versed on terror charges and how to try them.

This Luigi Mangion case, the terrorism charges have been dropped.

And

Andy, if I remember right, came out with an article, I think, of last year and said, this is not going to stand.

These terrorism charges aren't going to stand.

And I don't understand why they won't.

And I also don't understand how he's now only going to be charged with second-degree murder.

When it was clear he was stalking the guy.

He was, I mean, he planned on killing him.

He was waiting for him outside.

I mean, that's premeditation, which is murder one.

But I know Andy will have all the answers for us.

Can you make sense of this for us, Andy?

Yeah, I'm afraid I can, Glenn.

I think to start with the second point first about why it's murder two rather than murder one.

Back in the Pataki days, which is like the 1990s in New York when he was governor, they tried to revise the New York capital murder statute

because they haven't done a death penalty case in New York in decades.

And this was not, this ultimately was not a successful effort.

They still haven't revived the death penalty.

But what they did was they took the things that you could get the death penalty for, which in New York were only things like killing a police officer or killing a prison guard in the prison, and they made those the only

murder in the first degree varieties of homicide.

And all other murder well, because they were trying to clean up th their idea was they were trying to clean the statute in a way that murder one would be revived as

capital murder.

Death penalty.

And all

right, and all other murder was going to be second degree murder.

So

because what we're dealing with with with Mangion

under New York law would not have qualified for the death penalty because that would have been very, very narrow, and it's mainly killing police officers or prison guards.

That puts it into the category of second-degree murder.

That doesn't mean, by the way, that it's unserious.

It has a, I think the offense in New York is like 25 years to life.

So it's for

the guy should get.

I mean, you can

argue against the death penalty, but the guy should get either the death penalty or life without parole, not 25 years.

This guy is...

That's what he's looking for.

Help me out on this one.

How is he not a terrorist?

He had the intent to terrorize.

He said himself he wanted people to look over their shoulders.

I mean, he is a textbook terrorist

and premeditation.

Textbook.

Yeah, to prove terrorism, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt an intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population.

And you have to sort of get out of

mindset that murder is terrorizing.

I mean, all murder is terrorizing to the people who are obviously involved in it and to the extent that it intimidates people.

But we can't turn every murder into terrorism.

Correct.

But terrorism is about.

But isn't terrorism about trying to scare the population to either vote different or change the laws to be so terrorized that they, in this particular case, he was trying to send a message to the the industry you better watch your back because there's more of me and you'll you'll get it in the end that's terrorizing a group of people to get them to act in a way the terrorist wants them to act yes but it's not terrorizing

it

it's not terrorizing the government to change policy or terrorizing the whole civilian population what the judge said is this was very narrowly targeted at the healthcare industry and this particular healthcare executive.

And I guess I just don't think it trivializes

the murder to say that it's not a terrorism crime.

You know, the federal government, Glenn, just so you could just so we're clear on this part of it, there were two charges brought here.

There's the federal charges and the state charges.

So Alvin Bragg, the New York DA, brought the terrorism charge.

I said at the time I thought he was bringing it because he knew the Justice Department wanted to charge this guy, so he wanted to make a splash, like the Justice Department wanted to make a splash.

The Justice Department, when the Justice Department indicted it, even though Biden is against the death penalty and the Democratic administration was against the death penalty, they indict it as a death penalty case because they wanted to make a big to-do over it, even though, you know, if you look at the fine print, they would never impose a death penalty.

They had a moratorium on the death penalty.

So in order not to be outsplashed, what Bragg turned around and did was indict this, what he would like 10 times out of 10, indict only as a murder case if you could get Bragg to indict something that was actually a crime.

And

he decided to make it a terrorism

murder case so that they could compete

for the headlines in the press.

Unfortunately, this is kind of what happens in

these turf battle cases.

But to your point about stalking and all that stuff, the federal charges, which are the death penalty charges, include exactly what you're talking about, the fact that this guy was stalked, that it was done in a very cold-blooded way.

And I think actually if he gets convicted in the federal

in the federal system, now that Trump is running the Justice Department rather than Biden, if he gets convicted on the death penalty charge, he's going to get the death penalty.

Okay, so it's not like he's getting murder in the second degree and he'll be out in 25 years.

The federal government is also

trying him.

Will it be the same trial?

No.

No.

In fact, the interesting thing, Blan, just from a political standpoint, I hate having to get political in this stuff.

I know.

Me too.

Avoid it.

The Biden Justice Department was working cooperatively with Bragg.

I don't think the Trump Justice Department is going to work cooperatively with Bragg.

And

the interesting thing about that is

under New York law,

they have a very forgiving double jeopardy provision, which basically means if the feds go first, that will probably block New York State from going at all

because of their expansive protection.

And I think what Biden's Justice Department was willing to let Bragg go first so that they'd go second and then everybody would have a piece of it.

I'm not sure that Trump's guys are going to play ball like that.

Okay, so are you confident that justice will be served in this?

Well,

I think that, you know, look, I think if your idea is justice served, will this guy be convicted of a severe murder charge and never see the light of day again?

I am confident in that.

Yes.

If you believe, as I do, that if you're going to have a death penalty in the law, which our Constitution permits,

if you're going to have it, he deserves it.

And if he doesn't get it, he would be, you know, he'd be among a long line of people who probably deserved it and didn't get it.

So I guess it depends on what your idea of justice is, but I guess if we can agree that justice is this guy never sees the light of day again, I think justice will happen here.

Okay.

Can I switch to Charlie Kirk?

How is this

unfolding?

What are your thoughts on this?

What are your thoughts on,

you know, I really want to make sure we don't go too far.

You know, I don't want another Patriot Act kind of thing,

but I do believe,

you know,

it appears as though there may have been many people involved, at least in knowing.

What does that mean to you and what should happen?

What should we be doing?

What are we doing that is right and wrong?

Well, to the extent I do

think, Glenn, that this is being very aggressively investigated by both the state authorities and continuing by the federal authorities.

I heard Cash Patel, because I happened to be on television this morning, and they broadcast that while I was on, and he was talking about how they are going through all of the social media stuff to see who may have had an inkling about this beforehand.

And if there was any conspiratorial activity, they're going to go after it.

Now, the chats that have come out so far

that have been reported in the last couple of days are chats

in which Robinson admitted to committing the homicide and told the people that he was chatting with that he had already arranged his surrender.

If that's all these people knew, that is to say that he had

he was

and he was turning himself in.

Well, they might be good witnesses in terms of what his state of mind was

at the trial of Robinson, but I don't think that implicates them in criminal misconduct.

On the other hand, the feds are going to keep digging, and I assume Utah is going to keep digging.

And if they find out that somebody was involved in planning this, I think those people are going to be pursued.

You know, there's probably Texas would be a bad place to commit this crime.

Utah, however, they have the death penalty and they use the death penalty.

And

the governor, who I'm not a big fan of this governor, but boy, he has been very strong and I think right on top of this whole thing.

And he said day one, you will get the death penalty.

We catch you, we prove it in court of law, you will get the death penalty.

And I think that's coming for this guy.

It should well, it's deserving because if there's ever anything that's indicative of premeditation

and

repulsive intent, I would say this is a textbook case of that.

The idea that Trump is now going to go after

possibly RICO charges for people like George Soros and organizations like that that are

pushing for a lot of the

Antifa kind of stuff.

Do you see any problems with that or is this

a good idea?

I just think the first thing, before you get into RICO and all these, you know, RICO is a very complicated statute, even when it obviously applies.

So I think that the bedrock thing they have to establish is that you are crossing the line from

protected speech, a lot of which can be obnoxious speech, and actual incitement to violence.

And if you can get incitement to violence, you know, I didn't need RICO to prosecute the blind shape, right?

I was able to do it on incitement to violence and that kind of stuff.

Those are less complicated charges than RICO, but the big challenge in those cases, Glenn, is getting across the line into violent action as opposed to, you know, constitutionally protected rhetoric.

Aaron Trevor Barrel, is there anything to the subversion of

our nation on that

you're intentionally subverting

the United States of America?

You're pushing for revolutionary acts?

You know, there's a lot of litigation that arose out of that in connection with the Cold War and the McCarran Act.

And, you know, you remember all the stuff from the 40s and 50s forward.

Yeah, I know.

And I think when that stuff was initially enacted, the country was in a different place.

I think when the McCarran Act was enacted, it was a consensus in the country that if someone was a member of the Communist Party, hadn't actually done anything active to seek the violent overthrow of the U.S., but mere membership in the party.

I think if you asked the question in 1950, most people would have thought that was a crime.

And by 1980, most people would have thought it wasn't a crime based on what the Supreme Court was doing with the First Amendment.

If you're a member of the Communist Party, you can be a member of the Communist Party.

But if you are actively subverting and pushing for revolution in our country,

I think that's a different

cat

entirely.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

But if you have that evidence of purposeful activity, and look, if you have a conspiratorial agreement between two people that contemplates the use of force, you don't need much more than that.

You don't need an act of violence if you have strong enough evidence of conspiracy, but you do have to establish that they get over that line into the use of force, at least the potential use of force.

Okay.

Andy, as always, thank you so much.

Appreciate your insight.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, Blunt.

Yeah, make me feel a lot better about this.

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