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We have a lot on Charlie Kirk on what's happening this week, what happened last week.

We have some information now about what the FBI did, how they found this guy so quickly.

It was a hint due to you, the public.

Cash Patel decided to do something and break with FBI protocol and involve the pitted citizenry.

And it was just like 12 hours later that we had the guy

in custody because of the American people.

We'll have more on that and

who this guy really was coming up in just a minute.

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Stu Bergiere and Jason Buttrill, who is joining us this hour to give us an update on a few things.

Hello, Stu.

Hey, Glenn, how's it going?

It was good.

How was your weekend?

Good.

You had a pretty busy weekend up at the ranch, I saw.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I did.

We did a

like a little fireside at my house.

We

invited about 20 people.

I ended up being about 70 people, I think.

Jason, was that about right, at the house last night?

And I took them through

history, and

it was for the youth.

And,

you know, it's weird because I did one last week with the youth, and we had about 40 people there last week.

And this one was very different.

You know, the Charlie Kirk thing.

put a whole different feel on it.

We talked about

what it is to be a martyr,

you know, what our political underpinnings are, why this matters.

Had a great conversation with these kids, really, really sharp, sharp kids.

I mean, Erica Kirk said it right.

You have no idea what you've unleashed.

You have no idea.

This shooter and the left, they just don't know.

And it's not a movement of anger at all.

I saw determination and I have in the last few days online and in person it's just determination it's not I'm not sitting down now there's no way I'm sitting down what do I have to do I'm here Lord what do you what do you need me to do

and it's it's remarkable but I posted some stuff just a few minutes ago

all of the participants in it were under what 19 I think

and We went out at the very end.

We went out to our front gate where we have a flag flying and it it was at half staff and that ended yesterday at 6 p.m.

and so I brought everybody out and we stood around the flagpole and raised the flag to two young guys raised the flag some

another kid who was just really just this great kid

plays the trumpet

and

like two hours before I'm like hey can you play taps and he's like

I don't know I think and so he played taps and it was really a moving thing and I know there were people that did stuff like this all over the country over the weekend.

Huge turnout all over the country.

Yeah, there's been a couple times this week where I was like, Glenn, let's not do this right now.

Let's, you know, just for security purposes, let's maybe take a step back a little bit.

And

I'm glad you did not on both occasions, because what happened yesterday is exactly what we should be doing, is exactly what Charlie Kirk would want us to do.

And you put it in context

with what happened with Charlie.

And you've mentioned this.

I've thought about it.

The only time I've seen something or witnessed something like what happened last night was

going to a church in northern Iraq and seeing and talking to the people that had just gotten attacked by ISIS.

Now, those people stared

evil in the face.

Yeah, we were told ISIS, by ISIS, we were told ISIS was going to hit this church at 7 p.m.

And they had a mass at 7 p.m.

at that church.

And I'm flying in from New York, and I get onto the ground.

It's about 5.30, and I said, so where are we meeting?

And my security said, at the church.

And I'm like, excuse me, what?

And at the church.

And at 7 o'clock, mass started and it was packed.

And ISIS wasn't fooling around.

They were like, we are going to kill everyone in that church at 7 p.m.

And I walked in and I saw these people celebrating Christ and it was like, it was insane.

I'd never seen anything like it.

And I talked to them afterwards and I'm like, how do you, I mean, this wouldn't have happened in America.

We wouldn't have gone.

We would have gone someplace else.

And they said, what do we have to lose?

We have everything to gain.

They kill us.

We go to heaven.

We're fine with that.

We'd rather be with Jesus.

You know, we're not giving it up.

And I thought, Americans have never had to stand for their faith.

We've never really had to stand for our faith.

Faith and action is what I saw out there in Iraq, and faith and action is what I saw last night.

The looks I remember seeing on the children in northern Iraq, where literally it was life and death, their faith was everything, was what I saw from those kids last night as you told them about American history, put everything into context.

You talked about martyrs.

You walked them through from the first Bible that was printed, brought over from

England, over to hear what it took and then the struggles that our founders took to ensure that

the

citizenry will be defenders of speech, defenders of freedom.

And you took them all the way through it, showing them the documents.

Their eyes were glued on you the entire time.

I was like, this is exactly, exactly what we should be doing to carry on this torch and this legacy.

And we saw it everywhere from...

NFL stadiums yesterday.

Yeah, everywhere.

This ranch all over social media saying, I'm going to church for the first time in my life.

Baseball,

NASCAR.

I mean, it was everywhere this weekend.

I mean, America has changed.

It was a turning point.

It was a turning point.

Last night I was talking about martyrs and I talked about Abraham Lincoln.

And

I read

to the kids the Gettysburg Address.

And I thought, if this

isn't appropriate for today,

Gettysburg Address.

Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we're engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure.

Is that not what we're doing right now?

We're in a cold war right now.

It was hot last week.

I pray that it doesn't continue to be hot.

But we're in a cold war.

And isn't that what we're debating right now?

Whether a nation so conceived that all men are created equal and can rule themselves,

whether that can endure, whether that can survive.

We are not met on a battlefield.

We now meet on a battlefield of that war.

We've come to dedicate a portion of that field, yada, yada, yada.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate.

We cannot consecrate.

We cannot hallow this ground.

The brave men, living, and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far

above our poor power to add or detract.

Think of that as

what Charlie Kirk did.

How can we do anything that elevates that act?

It's that act.

It's not where it happened.

It's nothing.

It's that act.

What he did makes everything else pale in comparison.

The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they fought

and have so far nobly advanced.

Think of that.

Nobody's going to remember anything I said.

Nobody's going to remember anybody anybody says.

Nobody's going to remember anything that was said at the eulogy.

You might remember his wife's words.

Those were powerful.

But that is because that's part of the struggle that he just he did.

That's part of it.

That's part of him.

Everybody else is just nothing but words.

Nobody's going to remember any of this.

But we have to dedicate ourselves to the unfinished work.

It's rather for us here to be dedicated to the great task remaining before us, that from this honored dead, these honored dead, we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave their last full measure of devotion and that we here highly resolve that he will not have died in vain and that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom and that the government of the people by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth.

Do you know why we won the Civil War?

Do you know what happened right after this?

Abraham Lincoln said, I'm not a Christian.

He wasn't.

His father was a horrible, horrible guy.

Used to beat the scriptures into him.

You know, those kind, that get drunk and then take the belt.

And little Abraham Lincoln, six, seven, eight years old, he would get in trouble and his dad would get drunk and he would take his belt and he would whip him while quoting the scriptures.

Well, there's nothing that makes somebody want to be a Christian more than that.

And so Abraham Lincoln rejected Christianity.

He rejected it entirely.

And he said later in life, he said,

when I became president, I wasn't really a Christian.

Now, there's some debate on that because he studied the Bible.

He knew the Bible.

He preached it in services before he became president.

But in his own words, I wasn't really a Christian when I was elected.

When my son died, I wasn't a Christian.

I didn't become a Christian until...

Gettysburg.

Now, we think of Gettysburg.

Gettysburg happened in the summer, and we think, oh, then Abraham Lincoln went up there right after.

Or he went up a couple of months later and, you know, after they cleared out all the fields and buried all the dead.

The dead still wasn't, they weren't buried.

It happened in the summer.

He comes in November

and they were still stacking bodies up like cordwood.

Imagine the scene.

Imagine the smell of Gettysburg.

He says, that's when I became a Christian.

How many people on earth this last week became a Christian on the killing field?

They saw Charlie Kirk and they thought, you know, I wasn't a Christian before, but I think I understand what it means to be a Christian today.

Abraham Lincoln, that event brought him to his knees where he begged the Lord and said, what do you want?

What is it you want?

I'll do it.

Just tell me.

We were losing the war like crazy.

He issues a proclamation and a request for the nation to go into prayer, fasting, and humiliation, meaning asking God for forgiveness for all of our sins.

And he basically said, you know, look, if the Lord wants every drop of blood that was drawn by the lash to

be compensated for by taking all of our treasure and putting it up on a big pile, and

all of us have to pay for it, not just in physical cash or treasure, treasure, but also with our own blood.

Then God is just.

Whatever God wants, he's just.

This was wrong.

We did it.

Let's pray, fast, and beg for forgiveness.

That's how we won.

That's how we won.

It was the moment of Gettysburg.

And I contend, this may be the moment of Gettysburg in our generation.

This may be it because you've seen it.

You're seeing, I asked Grok last last night, I said,

scour social media and tell me, is there a difference between the left and the right and the way they're talking about Charlie Kirk?

And

is there an increase of people talking about God in a positive way,

turning over their life to God?

Grock said, huge.

Since

Charlie Kirk, huge.

Big difference between the left and right.

One is talking about revenge and politics, and the other one is generally speaking, it did point out that there are bad guys on both sides, but generally speaking,

the right is talking about God and coming back together, uniting, trying to stand against evil in peaceful ways.

That's new.

That's new.

And the number of people who are saying, I'm committing to Christ, I'm going to church.

I'm going to change.

Do you know the number of,

I think it was Saturday or Friday I heard 36,000 new TP USA

charters for colleges.

I think it's in the 70,000 range now.

It's sweeping the nation.

It is sweeping the world.

Did you see in South Korea people chanting Charlie Kirk, I am Charlie Kirk, happening over in Europe,

all across the world?

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So, Stu, have you seen

the stuff from Tyler Robinson?

He's the killer.

He was joking with his friends on Discord, saying, this is my doppelganger.

And the reason why he was saying that was because the FBI released the photos of him and everybody started to see it.

That was breaking with FBI protocol.

Usually they don't do that, apparently.

They don't want to tip the person off that they're getting close.

And

Cash Patel

said on when was it?

Thursday, we have it.

Why are we holding it?

They said, well, well it could just do it could let him know that we're getting close and he's like getting close we're not close we want to be right up close and personal with putting the handcuffs on him release it and so the fbi released it and and said if you know this person give us information led to an overwhelming vat of information coming in and within 12 hours they had him

That's there there's that's a huge difference in the FBI huge difference in the FBI.

But then he goes on to say, this is my doppelganger.

And people were like, yeah, it looks like you, dude.

You better hide the gun.

And he was on saying, yeah, it's a guy from California.

I bet it's a California.

Definitely not me.

And it was him.

Yeah, I mean,

trying to cover his tracks, I suppose.

But yeah, I mean, it makes sense to release these photos the second that you have them.

I mean, in a situation like that, remember, this is, what, 33 hours, which isn't, in the grand scheme of things, that long of a time.

It felt endless, but he was hundreds of miles away, right?

I mean, this was not a situation where he, you know, once you get off that, the

area where

an incident like this occurs, it gets really, really hard to track somebody down unless people have an idea what they're looking for.

And that seems to be pretty obvious to, I think, most people.

I'm glad they did it the right way there.

And that does seem to be the reason they found this guy, right?

Like, you know, everyone's talking about, well, I mean, come on,

the dad turned him in.

Like, what do you mean this is great police work?

Well, there's an element of great police work that led to that, right?

Where if you don't have all those photos, if you don't have that imagery that goes out, the parents don't see it.

They don't recognize him.

They don't encourage him to, and, you know, seemingly

call in.

You know,

I'm not sure.

Do either of you guys know, did he actually, was he fine with turning himself in?

Because he's not participating.

He's not.

No,

he said he would rather die than turn himself in.

Apparently,

the father tried to encourage him to do that.

He said he would kill himself.

They eventually brought in a minister.

It's a little shaky around this area with the details, but they brought in a minister that I guess talked to him.

And it seems like initially, too, someone,

a family friend or something, called in the actual confession that brought them there.

So it's a little bit interesting on how it happened.

We don't have all those details quite yet, but

it was the pictures that alerted the parents and a relative to say, hey, this looks like your kid.

And that's how it all started.

So there is motivation, possibly next.

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The vice president today is going to be doing the Charlie Kirk Show directly following this broadcast from 12 to 2.

And he's going to be, I think he's doing it from Washington, D.C.

You know,

it's going to be hard to secure TPUSA for something like the vice president, but he'll be doing it today,

two hours on air on the the Charlie Kirk Show.

I'm going to be doing it Wednesday from

TPUSA.

You can watch the Charlie Kirk Show on thecharlikirkshow.com,

Rumble, and also on his X account, or America's Voice Network.

But make sure you join us.

I found out today that they're not announcing.

I know who else is doing it this week.

It's an incredible roster.

And they're not announcing it for security reasons.

And

I wish I would have thought of that before I said something.

But,

you know.

And they're still doing the campus things.

I mean, I find that amazing.

How are you going to make that thing?

You're not doing it outside, that's for sure.

How are you making those secure?

And who's going to do it?

I was supposed to be with Charlie in two weeks, I think,

on one of these campuses.

And I don't, I mean, I said to Charlie, I don't have the temperament for that one, Charlie.

I'm not,

I get testy fast.

I don't, I don't,

I have a hard time with stupidity.

But Charlie didn't.

I mean, Charlie was able to sit there through it and really talk to people.

And that's not me.

I just don't do that.

But I don't know.

They're still doing them.

So I don't know if I know my daughter does not want me to go.

Was that something that developed over time, Glenn, for Charlie?

Because my impression of Charlie early on was, you know, he was in there mixing it up maybe more aggressively.

And then I noticed, I mean, you know, always respectful, but like, you know, was out there.

The clips I saw of him were always like him mixing it up with some liberal on campus.

And then I was very impressed by him over the past couple of years, at least when I noticed it, that how he was able to take time with people and try to explain things in a very calm, rational way, particularly around faith.

I mean, he was a shining example of what you're supposed to be doing in those interactions.

It's very difficult to do.

Did that develop over time for him?

I don't, I couldn't tell you.

I noticed it the same way.

I noticed it did that he became calmer and calmer, you know, as things went on.

I think he just,

I mean, he was, did he have a photographic memory?

I don't even know.

You know, a guy didn't go to college.

That's probably why he's as smart as he was, but he never went to college.

Everything he learned, he learned on his own through his own research and homework and reading.

He was constantly reading

and

through scriptures.

And I bet you he mellowed with, as he became more and more

mature in his faith.

I bet he mellowed at that point and became just more confident in his faith as well.

There's a clip that went viral a few months ago.

I think we played it on the air.

I don't remember exactly if we did, but I know I talked about it off the air a lot with various people.

Like,

I didn't know Charlie Kirk was this guy.

And it was a clip of him doing a podcast with a bunch of porn stars.

Do you know this clip?

No.

And he's talking to them and he's just like, you know, I just think God has something better for you.

Oh, I do remember that.

Yeah.

And it was like...

It was amazing.

Yeah.

Like, it was, you know, when I saw like, oh, right-wing guy on the podcast with a bunch of porn stars.

like, I almost didn't even click on the clip because, you know, I don't know.

I've seen a million of this type of stuff.

And it's just, it's not the type of stuff that interests me.

And then seeing the way he handled that situation was like really impressive.

And also, it made you think, you know,

how can I be more like this person in a moment like that?

And the reaction of all of the people around him was to be like, wow, you know, you're really respectful.

And we appreciate you having this conversation.

And maybe he didn't win anybody over to Christ in that room that day.

Who knows?

Maybe someone will be changed by that interaction.

But he was a shining light of what you were supposed to do.

And I thought it was really, really impressive.

I was very impressed by Charlie Kirk in person.

You know, you see so much stuff on social media and it's like, I don't know, it's all everything on social media is trash.

But meeting him in person and seeing him

go through

the detail that he had,

he was really well read, as you mentioned.

Let me play the clip here.

Here's the clip.

Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently.

And I hope the chat enjoyed it.

Look, for whatever it's worth,

if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.

I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but just maybe you'll have an encounter with God, and Jesus loves all of you, and he can transform your life.

He transformed my life.

I've had a lot of problems in my life, a lot of problems, and Jesus solves everything.

And every day is a new day, and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.

And I know that might not be something you even believe, and you might think that all Christians hate you and your way of life and all those sorts of things.

Some of them do.

Well, I'll say this: I'm a pretty firm believing, outspoken Christian, and God loves every single one of us.

We're all sinners, and Jesus died.

I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

Well, thank you.

That's very

kind.

And I can tell you, it's not me.

If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.

It's the Holy Spirit.

That's fantastic.

That's exactly how I want to remember him.

That clip.

Yeah.

He was a good man.

He was exactly like that.

He was a good man.

Let me go back to the

information that we have.

It looks like now the FBI is investigating the social media post by at least seven different accounts that appear

to have had foreknowledge of the assassination,

one of which referred to the date of Kirk's assassination, September 10th, more than a month before it took place.

All were deleted in the days following the killing.

Several of the accounts appear to be transgender individuals.

At least one of them

followed Tyler Robinson's roommate, with whom Robinson was allegedly in a relationship with.

The FBI has received archived copies of the posts.

The posts don't establish that any of the individuals knew or conspired with Robinson,

but, you know,

it's

pretty damning posts.

Especially from

the roommate.

You know, I don't know what.

He apparently is

cooperating with the police.

Everybody around Robinson is now cooperating with the police.

But we'll see.

We just don't have any idea of what actually

happened yet.

There is suspicion that there might have been more people, at least involved or knowing about it.

And now there's also suspicion that possibly

there was foreign influence on this.

Now, I don't know if any of this is true yet.

Did you see the two guys that were arrested for putting the bomb under the truck, the Fox 13 truck in Salt Lake City?

So authorities say that they arrested two men on putting an incendiary device under a Fox 13 news vehicle in Salt Lake City.

Bomb squads responded, this was on Friday.

They found the suspicious device.

under the vehicle parked near an occupied vehicle.

The bomb had been lit, but failed to function function as designed.

We don't know why this was the target.

We can guess at it, but we don't know.

But the two suspects identified,

neither one of them...

It appears as though they had

some sort of record

because they were

not supposed to be near guns.

I don't know why

that is.

We know their names.

They appear to be Arab,

of Arab descent.

We don't know if they were here legally or illegally.

It appears as though they may have been Muslim.

Ages 58 and 31 might have been a father-son.

We just don't know yet.

They went to the house and they found all kinds of bomb-making materials and guns, et cetera, et cetera.

None of which, either of them, were supposed to be anywhere near, obviously.

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Glenn, you mentioned.

We were just talking.

Yeah.

Yeah, go ahead.

I was going to say, you mentioned the developments in the investigation, which is really fascinating because there was a lot of viral posts that people were kind of screenshotting and posting about people who seemed to know something about this before it happened.

And you can never tell whether those are manufactured, whether they're even real.

Aaron Sebarium, who we've had on the show before, is reporting that many of them are real, and the FBI is looking into them.

One person posting on September 3rd, it would be funny if someone like Charlie Kirk got shot on September 10th.

Okay.

Someone else

pull out.

Yeah, September 10th will be

a very interesting day.

This is something posted on August 6th.

And then as the shooting goes on, the person

tweets their own tweet and says, I plead the fifth.

Another one,

Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow.

I really hope someone evaporates him literally.

Let's just say say something.

What's that?

That's the killer.

That tweet came from the killer.

Oh, did it?

Let's just say something big will happen tomorrow.

That's another one.

Another person, Charles James Kirk, Mr.

College dropout does not know it's coming tomorrow.

Be ready.

This isn't a threat.

It's a promise.

These are all posted in advance of the actual incident.

And there's several others, people cheering on that

we did it after it was done.

And what's fascinating about all this is, there's also an organization I wanted to mention, too, that was called Armed Queers Salt Lake City that had an account and several thousand followers

that deleted their account immediately after this.

So the FBI is actually looking into this and seeing, you know, it's so common with this sort of stuff in whatever culture we're in where people do oftentimes post stuff.

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It's the reason they're doing it half the time is to get this sort of attention so they can't stop themselves from posting little breadcrumbs and Easter eggs to try to show how proud they are of what they've accomplished.

So the FBI is taking it seriously.

It's really disturbing.

Really, really disturbing if

the

you know, what was it, the trans with guns, queers with guns?

Yeah, armed queers Salt Lake City.

Armed queers.

Yeah.

And he apparently was a part of that organization.

They took down everything, all their posts and everything, you know, right after the shooting.

But, I mean,

what is your point?

You know,

queers with guns, or

what is it called again?

Armed queers.

Mentally blocking.

Yeah, armed queer.

What is your point of being armed?

What does that mean?

What were you suggesting there?

Well,

the description said something like they were armed to defend trans rights or something.

Yeah, well, that's probably what the guy thought he was doing when he killed Charlie Kirk.

These groups, this is a Marxist group

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They were also against capitalism and America and everything else.

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There is a lot going on today.

I got to tell you, I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime.

What is happening is truly a turning point,

and it all stems from what happened last week.

And I'm going to go into some of the things I noticed this weekend and answer, I think, a really tough question that a lot of people are asking

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There was a lot of things that were happening over the weekend.

First of all, let me play cut two, please.

These are the protests in the UK.

Hundreds of thousands of people on the streets in London from the Unite the Kingdom rally.

And here are the protesters, if you will, on the streets chanting Charlie, Charlie, Charlie and holding up pictures of Charlie Kirk.

Watch this.

This thing has gone global.

This was happening on the streets.

This was happening on the streets in

places far away as South Korea.

Then you have Maloney, the Prime Minister of Italy, coming out and giving a pretty fiery speech.

Listen to this.

He would sit in public and allow anyone to challenge him in a debate on any topic because he was convinced of his ideas.

He did it with a smile on his face.

He did it with respect.

He was frightening for this because when you have no arguments,

Those who have them, I have seen it happen many times, those who have no arguments are left only with the weapon of criminalization, the weapon of insult, the weapon of making the opponent unacceptable, the weapon of violence that always starts as verbal violence but sometimes also becomes physical violence.

I say this also because in these days I have read many inhumane comments about the death of Charlie Kirk, and I have read other frightening ones.

One of these is from Pier Giorgio Di Fredi, an Quereso Piefore is an intellectual of the left, Benesta Fazore, who said, Shooting Martin Luther King and shooting a MAGA representative is not the same thing.

Now, I would like to ask this distinguished professor what exactly he means.

Does he mean that there are people it is legitimate to shoot based on their ideas, or that it is less serious to shoot them because we do not share their ideas, or that it is understandable to feel like shooting them based on his ideas?

It means, it means that we should imagine lesser penalties for those who shoot a right-wing figure, perhaps considering as a mitigating factor the fact that their ideas are unacceptable.

Look at this.

So, this is, I mean, this went on.

It was an amazing, an amazing speech in

Italy.

So, you know, this is a global movement of hatred because it's happening everywhere.

And people are saying to those who believe in their country, who believe in the rule of law, who believe in common sense things that we all used to believe in.

Look, I didn't change on,

you know, mutilation of children.

I didn't change on that.

You would have never said that it was fine to have, you know, transgender people doing dances,

you know, erotic dances in kindergarten or first grade.

You would have never said that.

You weren't for that, ever, ever.

What changed?

I didn't change.

You changed.

What?

What new evidence did you get?

And I don't want to talk about your feelings.

I want to talk about evidence.

What evidence did you get?

You didn't get any new evidence.

You didn't.

You somehow or another have been brainwashed into this thing where you are now, you are for all the things that you knew five years ago, eight years ago.

Absolutely wrong.

You are against it.

You're absolutely against everything.

You're against shooting people in the streets who are just trying to say, hey, let's have a conversation.

Okay.

You're against, quite honestly, the teachers who are applauding all of this.

I got an email from somebody.

It says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors, and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture.

But is this the same as Roseanne losing her job over a crude joke or is it celebrating murder and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation, it's about trust.

If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles?

Words matter, but cheering is a cheering, a death, is an action.

Is there any consequence for this?

Jonathan, yes.

There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries, okay?

Lost their job,

chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree, is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of

policy debate.

It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say you're mutilating children.

Okay, you have a right to say no, we're not.

This is best practices and then we can get into the science of it and we don't shout down the other side.

Okay.

Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination, and we've seen teachers and professors go online and celebrate, not criticize, not argue policy, but celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy, it's a victory.

Somebody else, another professor, said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you, are these two categories of free speech the same?

No,

they're not.

Here's the difference.

To say, I believe children should not be allowed.

to have gender surgeries before 18, that is an attempt, right or wrong, doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life, to protect children, and guide society.

It's entering a debate about the role of medicine, the right of parents, and the boundaries of childhood.

That's what that is about.

To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not debate.

That's not even an idea.

That's rejoicing in violence.

It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff.

There's not.

And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our founders fought for free speech because they believed, as Jefferson said, that error can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me at all.

I don't think you do either.

I hope you don't.

Otherwise, you should go back and read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death,

doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one.

Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history in colonial matter, in a colonial America, if you were a dissenter, and you were going against the parliament, against the king, those words are dangerous.

They were called treason, but but they were ideas.

They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

Thomas Paine,

one of our

founder kind of, you know, on the edges of our founders,

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington knew it wasn't.

There, the crowds, they didn't gather to argue, okay?

They gathered to cheer the guillotine.

They didn't want the battle of ideas, they wanted blood, they wanted heads to roll, and roll they did,

you know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they kind of turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the Republic through reason, law, and debate.

Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions, and the republic fell into empire and liberty was lost.

Okay, so now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood,

is that cancel culture when they're fired

yes

yes it is because that is speech in pursuit of truth however imperfect it is speech meant to protect children not to harm them you also cannot be fired for saying I disagree with that

If you are telling I disagree with that and I will do anything to shut you down, including assassination, well then that's a different story.

When a teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that canceled culture if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying,

you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to

that guy or that woman?

I don't, I, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder, I don't want them around my children.

Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh.

Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture, woe unto them that call evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on

speech like this is a society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law, does it protect both?

Absolutely.

Under law, absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no.

I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that children, that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade.

I'm sorry.

It's beyond reason.

You should not be around my children.

But you shouldn't go to jail for that.

Don't we, as a society, have a right to demand virtue in positions of authority?

Yes, but the political class and honestly the educational class has done everything they can to say that that doesn't matter, but it does and we're seeing it now.

The line between cancel and culture,

the cancellation of people and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here, I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy, opinions about faith, morality, biology.

Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster.

You are celebrating violence.

You're mocking life itself.

One's an argument.

The other is an abandonment of humanity.

The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide what kind of voices would shape our children, heal our sick, lead our communities.

I'm sorry if you're in a position of trust.

I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no,

no, you should not, because this is not policy debate.

This is celebrating death.

You know, our founders gave us liberty, and, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it?

Virtue, virtue, liberty without virtue is suicide.

So if anybody is making this case to you that this is cancel culture, I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate

or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death?

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Okay,

there's a few things, a few things running through my head

today.

By the way, on Wednesday, I'm going to be at TPUSA.

I'm going to be filling in for Charlie.

The vice president is filling in for Charlie today,

and you can hear that starting at noon on Charlie's network.

I want to talk to you, though, and some more about free speech.

Can we go play cut 24?

These are people that

have violent rhetoric, and they say they're not inciting violence.

But I want you to listen to this.

Cut 24, please.

Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read, hey, fascist exclamation point, catch exclamation point.

Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

Yes, I do.

No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump, and he is is a fascist to his core.

And

shut down the city!

We are at war!

We're in a war right now.

We are at war.

So you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country.

And that's why gloves are off.

Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.

And yes, they're...

Okay, stop.

Now, I have said things like they are dangerous.

They are going to,

they're trying to overthrow our government, which is true.

And I can prove it to you, and I have for several years.

I have proven it to you that there are those factions inside the left that are revolutionaries.

I mean, we have it just, we just talked about it a few minutes ago with the transgender movement in Salt Lake City.

You know, they are communist revolutionaries by their own description.

They're communist revolutionaries.

Well, communist revolutionaries, you know, they don't like peaceful transfers.

They want to destroy and have a bloody revolution in the street.

And so when you're looking at somebody who is fomenting revolution, yeah, I think they're a danger to the republic.

When somebody says, this person is a fascist, we're at war, and you have to do whatever it takes to get that person out, and you say that over and over and over and over again, what do you think is going to happen?

Because if you really truly believe that Donald Trump is a fascist that he is Hitler that he is rounding up transgender people if you really believe Stephen King that Charlie Kirk was for the stoning listen to this the stoning of homosexuals if you really believe that

what aren't you willing to do to stop that monster

the problem is it's lies these are lies

donald trump is not a fascist

You could make the case the last president was on the fascistic road with his public-private partnerships, but that would require you to know the actual definition of fascism, which nobody does.

But if you keep calling somebody a fascist and Hitler, and we have to do whatever it takes, what do you think is going to happen?

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We're talking about the aftermath of Charlie Kirk and cancel culture.

This is not cancel culture.

You know, and especially, you know, I don't want it driven by the mobs.

I think, you know, if somebody says they're celebrating somebody's death, I think that's somebody I don't want to work with.

You know?

Stu and I were just talking in Minnesota.

If anybody on my staff would have said, oh my gosh, this is so great.

Do you see they just killed those politicians in Minnesota?

I would have fired them on the spot.

I would have fired them on the spot.

We didn't say those things.

And, you know, that's not what normal people think.

And if you are on the right and you do think that way, you're not a normal person.

You're sick and you should seek help.

Yeah.

I understand the point point with the cancel culture thing.

It's bizarre that all of a sudden we're supposed to think that the left cares about cancel culture after they've been developing it as a weapon for all of these years.

It's such a shocking thing.

But I actually am pretty sensitive to the

idea of an excuse for one of these things being, oh, well, this one's different and here's why.

Because you can always come up with some difference, right?

Like that is a very standard thing that everyone does in their arguments.

Oh, well, I'm disagreeing with a position I held a month ago.

Well, this is different.

And here's why.

There's always a way to generate a why.

It's different.

The question is, are you actually being consistent with your principles and your values?

And in this one, I don't think there's anything inconsistent with what we're talking about here.

As you point out, if I've never in my life, by the way, met a person who has cheered on a murder.

I've never in my life met someone like that.

And so here, if you have a situation where if there was someone working here or someone I was working with, God forbid, working at my children's school, who was cheering on a murder of literally anyone, right or left, I wouldn't want them around me or around my kids.

It seems like a person who's pretty unbalanced and someone you don't want around.

That has nothing to do with making an off-color joke in 1998.

That's what cancel culture was about.

Hey, you made a political donation to an organization that was supporting a cause at the time that was backed by 70% of people.

Now we're going to cancel you.

That is the type of stuff that was cancel culture.

This really is different.

And that was also mob-driven.

It was also mob-driven.

Yeah.

Cancel culture is also mob-driven.

And that's the problem.

Another thing that they invented on the left.

They invented this cancel culture.

And, you know, honestly, read Cheryl Atkinson's book.

It started

with my program.

I mean,

they

did all kinds of stuff they had never ever done before to a

figure in the media.

And they just ripped me apart.

They thought they won, but they actually didn't.

And B, what they did was they perfected it and it worked for a little while.

It worked for people for a little while.

They were canceling everybody.

If you had a different opinion on what you should put into your body for medicine,

you were called a killer.

No, you, you, no, I'm not.

There's no fact based in any of that.

And your argument was based on lies.

And we said it at the time.

We couldn't prove it at the time, but we could, we could see all the dots and all the connections and go, I think you're probably wrong.

Look at this, this, and this.

But now we can absolutely prove it.

And they still will say you were wrong for not wanting to wear a mask or take the vaccine.

They'll still say that.

They still would like to cancel you and you don't have any place in society if you don't agree with the COVID vaccine.

I mean,

that's what cancel culture is.

This is don't celebrate death.

If I didn't want to take the vaccine because I said, yeah, because I just want to kill a whole bunch of people, it would be cancel culture.

It would be common sense and decency to remove me from whatever it is.

I wouldn't want to go into a McDonald's with a guy going, yeah, I just want to give his, I want to kill as many grandmas as I can.

Hey, you see that guy that was in Mara's mask and his grade is killing grandparents.

I wouldn't want to be around that person.

That's not cancel culture.

No, if you found out a coworker was secretly in the KKK, would you want them to be around you working?

No.

Now, yeah, I mean, there are,

you know, so many stories that are going on with all these people who

celebrated it, and some of them are being.

targeted at their at their places of work, you know, people saying, hey, do you know this person worked for you?

Many of them are getting fired.

A lot of them, though, are at jobs that are specifically dealing with children, for example.

Like

teachers at schools, they are.

Teachers, every single teacher should be fired.

If you're engaged in any of this,

if you didn't stand up in front of your class and then on social media and everything else and say, Look, I disagree with Charlie Kirk.

I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but this is wrong.

Now, let's debate why it's wrong.

You do that.

But anybody anybody who's like, yeah, I mean at UVU,

UVU, my son told me that classes cheered when they heard the news that day.

They cheered.

Every single teacher should be fired that didn't say to their students, knock it off.

What is wrong with you?

You're cheering for somebody's death.

I hear another word like that and you're all flunked.

I'm flunking all of you.

I mean, some kids were expelled from school because of this and deserve to be, frankly.

They deserve to be.

And if I want to channel my inner Charlie Kirk here for a moment and give as much grace as possible to the people,

there is a culture right now of people who

almost treat politics and human life as this sort of like sport and game.

Like, you know, I,

after

specific Eagles' losses, I have said certainly things that are not appropriate.

I may have encouraged them to dissolve the franchise and blow up the stadium.

Those sorts of thoughts enter your head and they're irrational, right?

You know they're irrational and because you're joking, it's, you know.

But like, you feel like

I could almost see a person doing something like this that is so involved in politics and so crazy that they can't control themselves.

I have not seen one story, though, yet, and I would love to see this.

This would be an incredible story to be written by an actual journalist.

Find a person who had that moment

and stop.

I'm just laughing, just trying to think of who the actual journalist is.

I don't know.

There's a lot of people who are busy right now.

I would love to find someone who had that moment where they actually did celebrate it and then saw the video of themselves and realized what a monster they had become.

That is an actually interesting story.

I would like to see it.

There has to be somebody in that crowd that had that moment because this is is not about politics.

As I said, Glenn, if the same exact thing happened to someone on the left and I knew someone on the right who cheered it on the exact same way, I would never want to talk to them again.

You're a horrible human being if you react that way to anyone's murder.

And to sit back and see that happen, there has to be somebody, I would think, who said, God, I am lost.

I've gone down this road of turning my entire life into politics.

And to the point that I'm now cheering on a young father's death, what have I become?

There has to be somebody who went through that moment over the past few days.

I'd love to read a story about them.

Not necessarily meant to be.

Did you see Christian

Chenoweth?

You know, the Broadway star?

Yeah, I know who she is.

Yeah, no, I didn't see what she said.

Okay, so she came out.

I can't find it here.

She came out and said

what a tragedy this was.

She feels for Charlie's family and his children, yada, yada, yada.

That's it.

Not like, hey, he was the greatest political speech giver of all time.

I, you know, I go, Charlie.

Nothing.

Just this was horrendous.

It's got to stop.

And I feel for his wife and children.

She's being canceled now.

She's being canceled.

I don't know, for standing up and saying this was wrong.

That's cancel culture.

That's a bunch of people with a political opinion saying, I cannot work with her.

Instead of saying, I don't care what anybody's political opinion is,

I feel for the children.

That's the difference, the difference in cancel culture and actually just standing up for what is right.

We don't celebrate a set.

I don't know a single person that when those assassinations, the assassination happened in Minnesota, I don't know a single person.

And I wouldn't want to be your friend.

And I would definitely excoriate you if you were a listener of mine.

They came out and said, wow, that was great.

What?

Yeah, that's

part of that.

You know, it's interesting, Glenn, I didn't even see social media posts to that effect.

Now, social media exists to give every voice to every opinion.

You can find anything, and I'm sure there were a couple, but I didn't even come across any that were excited about that or cheering it on.

I mean, and I don't know, that's what I would expect out of human beings.

You know, I was, I will say, at least somewhat encouraged by, for example, a decent amount of sports franchises having moments of silence for Charlie Kirk.

I don't think that happens three or four or five years ago.

Right?

Like, I don't think that happens in the peak woke era.

No.

That was good.

I was glad that actually happened.

And, you know,

it's a little bit, it's a small step, but I think a really good one that you acknowledge, hey, this is just a person who died in horrible circumstances.

And maybe we're going down the wrong road as a society if we think anything other than a moment of silence is appropriate.

Did you see the mayor up in, I think it's Massachusetts, that said to the fire department, raise your flag.

We're not lowering the flag.

I mean, you want to know you're on the wrong side of history.

Imagine being the mayor of a town that said, don't you raise that, don't you lower that flag, raise that flag for Martin Luther King.

Excuse me?

I mean, this is a political and I think religious, as much as Martin Luther King was a religious and civil rights assassination, this was two.

This was two.

And I know there's a lot of people on the right that think Charlie Kirk, you know, Charlie Kirk was against the Civil Rights Act.

Well, yeah, let him make that case.

Let him make that case and i think you can make a strong case on that and i think that civil rights leaders have been

have been just

race hustlers and money hustlers blm

blm that's a civil rights movement no it's not no it's not yeah and i know you've talked about that before like it's not undermining you know what came out of of that era right like

obviously you agree with all you've talked about it a million times did you agree with that there you know there have been arguments legally against that act and the way it was written and all of that over the years where we need to rehash.

But that's what I think exactly right.

And that's exactly what he was saying.

And Martin Luther King was a deeply flawed guy.

You know why he was so flawed?

Because no one else would stand up and do it because they knew the cost.

I mean, getting somebody like Charlie to stand up and do this who's not deeply flawed is pretty rare.

I mean, this guy was who he said he was.

And

he was absolutely a civil rights, now I believe, a civil rights icon because he died proclaiming the civil right of free speech.

He died proclaiming the rights given to us by God.

I don't understand why we would not redefine what a civil rights leader is in this moment because That's a true civil right.

You know, Jesse Jackson, he not a civil right.

Al Sharpton, he not a civil rights leader.

BLM, not a civil rights leader.

They may have been, you know, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson may have been back in the day, but in the 80s and 90s and 2000, they're not civil rights leaders.

The civil rights of our era is about freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

That's what the whole argument is about.

That's why we're so afraid of our country.

Are you going to be banned on social media?

Are you going to be allowed to to say anything?

Are you going to be allowed to work anywhere unless if you don't agree with DEI, you're out?

No, no, that's a civil right.

I have the civil right to be able to stand up and say, no, I don't want my children seeing that.

I don't want my children indoctrinated that way.

I don't want to take and put that into my body because I don't think that that is what you say it is.

I have a civil right to say those things.

How is Charlie Kirk not

the iconic civil right leader of the day?

I think that that ground should be taken by Charlie Kirk, taken back to what it originally was when Abraham Lincoln and Booker T

and Frederick Douglass were fighting for civil rights and doing it for the right reasons.

They believed in actual civil rights, as did Martin Luther King.

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Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir?

Good, Beck.

Thanks for having me back.

I appreciate it.

How have you been?

You know, last week was really tough.

I know it was tough for you and everybody else, but,

you know, it's just

family okay, all of that.

Yes.

Yeah, family's okay.

Family's okay.

That's the most important thing.

It is.

So, Bill,

what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing?

What happened and where are we headed?

So my analysis is different from everybody else.

No surprise to you.

You've known me for so long.

About a year ago, I was looking for a topic for, because I had a contract to do another book.

And I said, you know, what's happening in America and around the world is a rise in evil.

It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s.

had I seen that

happen to this extent.

And the 1930s, of course, you had Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys, and it led to 100 million dead in World War II.

The same thing, not to the extent, but the same thing was bubbling

in the world and in the United States.

So I decided to write a book, Confronting Evil.

A book comes out last Tuesday.

And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland, ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers

said to me last week,

your book is haunting, is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions, the social media, the bubble that people create around their own lives, sports, whatever it may be.

that we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow because at a very young age,

he was mature enough to understand that he wanted

to take a stand

in favor of traditional America and Judeo-Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary, and I believe you were in the penitentiary.

So

he was light years ahead of us.

Yes.

And he put it into motion.

All right.

Now,

most good people, even if you disagree

with what Mr.

Kirk says on occasion, you admire that.

That's the spirit of America.

That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system for the greater good of the country.

That's what it is.

There's nothing else to it.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life

by doing it.

So when you essentially break all of this down, you take the emotion away, all right, which I have to do in my job, you see it as

another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story.

So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on a cover, Mao, Hitler,

Ayatollah Khomeini, and then there are 14 others inside the book.

They all destroyed themselves.

Evil always destroys itself, but it takes so many people with it.

So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And Donald Trump,

I talked to him about it last week at Yankee Stadium.

And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what this killer did, in addition to the Kirk family.

So evil spreads.

Now,

if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular

to stop it.

And I believe that is what Mr.

Kirk's legacy is going to be.

I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder, though,

you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the 60s

to confront the evil, if you will, before people really woke up and said, enough is enough.

And then you got the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is

I hate to say this,

but is with as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

Some people.

Some people are never going to wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck.

And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back, but you don't need them.

So let's just be very realistic here in the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished in America.

It's over.

And you will see that play out in the next five years

because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You'll find this interesting, Beck.

For the first time in

10 years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS today.

I'm going to do it today with Major Garrett.

Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS.

And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over.

And they're going to have to rehabilitate the whole thing.

NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather.

I mean, that's all they care about.

Is it snowing in Montana?

The cables are all finished, even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go

because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump.

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is the corporate media is over in America.

That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement because the progressive movement was dependent

on the corporate media to advance its cause.

That's going to end, Beck.

Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about Skydance.

When have I been wrong?

When have I been wrong?

Well, you've known me for 55 years.

When have I been wrong?

Okay, all right, all right, all right.

We're not here to argue things like that.

So

tell me about Skydance, because isn't Skydance Chinese?

No, it's Ellison, Larry Ellison,

the second richest guy in the world.

He owns Lanai and Hawaii,

the big tech guy, and his son's running it.

Yeah, okay.

I thought Skydance, I thought that was

not ideological,

but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration

of the network presentations.

I mean,

60 minutes used to be the gold standard.

And

it just, now that, you know, I don't even watch anymore.

You can't trust a word they say.

I know.

So, do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

I don't know.

It's very hard

to predict because so many people now have bailed.

I got a daughter 26 and a son 22.

They never,

ever watch network television.

And you got a bunch of kids too, right?

Yeah, yeah.

They don't watch it.

They're not going to watch the voice, the dancing with this, the juggling with that.

I think they can do a much better job in their news presentations because

what they did,

all three networks, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Sane voices with huge followings, huge.

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired.

Because Colbert wouldn't refuse to put on any non-progressive voice when they were talking about the country.

Refuse.

I'm censoring it.

Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that.

He was fired because that led to horrible ratings.

Horrible ratings.

Yes,

it was his defiance.

Fallon has terrible ratings, and so does Kimmel.

But Colbert was in your face, F you,

to the

people who were signing his paycheck.

Look, evil can only exist

if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read Confronting Evil, and I take them one by one.

And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

Because in my opinion, Putin would use nuclear weapons.

He would.

He's a psychopath.

And

on Thursday night, I got a call from

the president's people saying, would you meet the president at Yankee Stadium for the 9-11 game?

And I said, you know, when a president calls and asks you to meet him, you meet him.

Sure.

Okay.

Yeah, right.

I'll be there.

What time?

Sure.

You know, it'll take me three days to get into Yankee Stadium from Long Island, but I'll start now.

Especially because the president's coming.

But go ahead.

Anyway, that was a very,

I think that Mr.

Trump values my opinion.

And it was,

we did talk about Putin and the change in Putin.

And I had warned him that Putin had changed changed from the first administration where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control because that's what always happens.

It happened with Hitler, it happened with Mao, it happened with the Ayatollah, it happened with Stalin, right down.

Okay?

They get worse and worse and worse and then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is.

But he couldn't do any of that without the assent of the Russian people.

They are allowing him to do this,

to kill women and children,

a million Russian casualties for what?

For what?

Okay, so that's why this book is just in the stratosphere now it's taken off because people want to understand evil finally,

finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination

was an impetus to do that.

Yeah, and I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a

neutral character.

He was a force for good and for God.

And I think that

combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination, where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights, but then also speaking up for God and speaking truth scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it, but strangely still works here in America.

And I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always good to talk to you.

Thank you so much for being on.

I appreciate it.

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I was

reading the crisis number one last night from Thomas Paine.

And

that and the Gettysburg Address seem so apropos today.

But listen to this.

I mean, it is,

you know, he is

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We're seeing them.

You know,

I don't even know.

We have Tommy Robinson on tomorrow's program from London, and he just had that big rally up in London.

I don't even know what's going on in England.

But my gosh, if they don't wake up soon, that is a failed state.

But people are waking up and they're taking to the streets.

And, you know, it's one thing for us to say, ah, you know, you can't, you don't have freedom of speech.

Well, you kind of do.

Charlie didn't.

But as far as the country right now, you do have freedom of speech.

They're not going to round you up.

They're not going to arrest you.

In England, that's not the case.

If you're carrying literally an English flag, you can go to jail.

They're They're outlawing it.

An English flag.

I mean, it's insane what's happening.

Evil is sweeping, but people are waking up.

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Welcome to the Glenback program.

Today, the vice president is going to be on the Charlie Kirk show.

It begins just a few minutes right after this program does.

And then Wednesday, I'm going to be filling in for Charlie on his program.

I don't know who they have tomorrow, Thursday, or Friday because they're not announcing them because of, I think they're letting everybody announce if they want to because of security reasons.

But I'll be there Wednesday and the president or vice president.

It's going to be fascinating to hear the vice president do Charlie's talk show,

but that happens today.

Also, let me go to Skyla.

She's in Utah and

you

have a suggestion for the people of Utah and UVU.

What is it, Skyla?

Yes.

Hi, thank you for your voice for all of us.

I just want to say that.

I live near UVU and I have been to the campus this week several times.

I have not seen anything regarding Charlie Kirk on the UVU marquee.

I am hoping to change that by contacting you.

I am asking your listeners to contact UVU and demand Charlie Kirk's memorial be added to the UVU's marquee.

I unfortunately don't have a phone number for UVU.

They keep giving me the runaround when I call them.

Astrid Tumenez is the President of UVU, and she is very liberal.

She's trying to keep this far away from UVU, and we need to stand up and make our voices known that she cannot hide.

I also,

yes,

no, go ahead quickly.

There's also a petition on change.org to rename the courtyard and add a statue of Charlie Kirk to UBU's courtyard.

Utah Senator Daniel McKay also has a give, send, go fundraiser to raise the money for the memorial.

I plead with your listeners to sign the petition and get this done.

Okay, thank you.

I agree with everything you said.

And the university president is a coward, I believe.

She didn't say anything until she was forced to say something a Friday afternoon.

And, you know, UVU is going to be known as the place that killed Charlie Kirk.

It's like Kent State.

I mean, you think, I'm going to go to Kent State.

Oh, you mean, wasn't that the place that there was the kids killed and everything back in the 60s?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's UVU.

Congratulations.

And by not standing up and not embracing Charlie Kirk and just trying to hide from this, you're making exactly the wrong decision.

But I wouldn't expect less from a die-hard progressive university president.

Let me go to Liz Wheeler.

Hi, Liz.

How are you?

Hi, Glenn.

You're my favorite, Glenn, today.

I can sense this difference in you.

When we spoke last week, we were both extremely emotional because our friend had been brutally assassinated.

And I hear the fire, the righteous anger in you and I feel so hopeful in the midst of grief today, Glenn, because this is our whole country.

We're all rising up like a roaring lion, determined not just to post about this and talk about this, but to enact change to make sure that our country is not captured by this evil anymore.

And it gives me so much hope.

Yeah, me too.

I mean, I...

I have hope because I know God and I see what's happening.

And this is a God movement.

And, you know, it's one thing if it was just about political change, but I think this is driving people to their knees and bringing people to God.

And

that's the only way that all of this is going to be solved is if we solve it through God.

And I'm seeing some really, really positive signs.

Liz,

let me talk to you about something that you wrote

recently.

I think it was on The Blaze.

And you said, look, I don't understand the sympathy for Tyler Robinson's father.

Yes, it's heartbreaking that his son is one of the worst people in the country he's ever known.

I get that part.

But let's be real, we're suffering a crisis in parenting in our country.

You want to make this case?

Yeah, I do.

And I want to first tell everyone that I say this with incredible love.

I don't say this.

I don't say this trying to pick a fight with anyone or to trigger anyone.

I know the response online has been a lot of people have been saying, have been disagreeing with me, and that's okay.

But I do encourage everyone to listen to what I'm saying.

We have a parenting crisis in our country.

I mean, on Christmas Day, 2013, Tyler Robinson's mother posted on her Facebook page, we just saw pictures of this because her Facebook page was public, of what, he was 10 years old at the time, of her child, Tyler Robinson, deep in video games and gaming.

And she made a joke about now that he's got the gaming equipment that he likes, he can avoid us at all times.

Well, you don't allow your 10-year-old child to isolate himself from the family to game on the computer with full access to the big, evil internet, and then expect us to say, oh, wow, you did everything right with him and he still turned out to be an evil murderer.

It's not your fault.

We're so surprised.

The truth of the matter is, Glenn, and our country is ripe at this moment for accepting the truth.

Parents are given a duty to shepherd their children's souls.

And that doesn't mean just buying them food or buying them stuff or carpooling them to activities.

It means forming their children's moral consciences and filling their minds with discernment of good and evil.

And listen, my eldest is only four and a half years old, and I already know this is no easy task.

It requires constant presence.

You can't outsource the formation of a child's moral conscience to someone that you pay.

It requires tough decisions as a parent that might make you unpopular both with your children and with the culture at large.

You have to live counterculturally.

Your child might be the only one without a cell phone who's never even heard of TikTok, or your child might be the oddball who goes to church every Sunday while his peers are watching porn or doom scrolling on Reddit.

It certainly won't make you popular as a parent among your parental peers because nothing sets other parents on the defensive more than when you tell your child no to something they permit.

It means setting moral standards for your child, but also not just enforcing those like a law enforcement officer, but teaching him or her long before enforcing those standards is necessary to make that right choice themselves.

It means saying no to public school where the secular, anti-Christian, anti-American, morally relativistic, and honestly, often downright Marxist indoctrination begins.

It means saying no to colleges that will indoctrinate him into a hardened communist revolutionary.

It means saying no to video games and the internet and cell phones.

And yes, even friends and peers who don't share his values and instead teaching him that he must live with his eyes to eternity, that his life is not his own, that it's Christ.

Glenn, we have a parenting crisis in our country because parents think their children are boss.

They pretend that their kids know more than they do so that they don't have to discipline, so that they don't have to acknowledge right and wrong themselves.

Parents, especially my generation or one generation above, are godless themselves, and then they wonder why their children turn out captured by the demonic.

So, yes, I would not wish on my worst enemy the agony that Tyler Robinson's father must be feeling, but the time for truth is here.

And the truth is, parents are the first blind guardians of their children's minds, bodies, and souls.

And parents like Tyler Robinsons are not without blame for the way he turned out.

Okay, so

can I push back here

with you?

Because you know how much I respect you, and I love you, Liz.

So let's just have a good conversation here.

What were your parents like?

Were they good parents?

Excellent parents.

So blessed by God.

They were present.

They formed me morally.

They were loving, sacrificial, the best people on earth.

My dad was a workaholic, and my mom was an an alcoholic.

And I honestly, Liz,

I don't know how to be a dad.

I have been faking it my whole life.

I have done my best, and I have fallen so short.

And

I think there's a lot of people like that.

I don't know about Tyler's parents, but the other thing is 2013 was a different world entirely than it is now.

I gave my son gaming stuff at 2013, took it away from him a couple of years later, you know, when we had the FBI at our house.

You know, and I have seen the indoctrination of my children.

And Tanya and I have fought for the souls of our children like crazy, like nobody's business.

And both of us feel like we fell really, really short.

I mean, we

don't know what we could have done.

And then there are other things we're like, yeah, we could have done that.

Why weren't we doing that?

And honestly, a horrible excuse.

We were tired.

And just trying to keep our head above water with our kids so much of the time.

I just wanted to talk to you because I agree with what you're saying, that we have a parenting crisis.

I 100% agree with you.

I agree with everything that you said about being a parent.

My first thought when I read your post today was

you're a young parent

and you have no idea what is coming your way.

You have more of an idea than I did in 2010, 2013,

because you're now seeing it.

But what our kids are going through,

you've,

and it's different again for you because you're a little younger.

You can relate a little bit more to the culture that is going on.

Tanya and I both looked at this culture and we were like, I don't even know, I don't even recognize any of it.

There's nothing that I grew up with as a standard that I could go, oh, yeah, well, let's talk to the teacher.

Well, let's talk to the principal, let's do this, let's do that, let's, you know what, let's go get some counseling someplace.

None of them, none of them were talking common sense at all, at all.

And so you only had the church.

That's it.

And, you know, you also have people telling you, your kids are going to commit suicide.

If you don't do this, your kids are going to commit suicide.

My kids, we didn't give them a phone until the school required them to have a phone.

And I would have liked to

gone to several private schools, but because we're from the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints,

every school, every,

every Christian school but one turned us down.

Every Christian school but one.

And I know some of the good pastors that run some of these schools.

And I went to them and I said, I'm not asking you to change your doctrine.

I'm not asking you to make special, you know, dispensations.

I want my kids to learn about your religion.

I wanted to challenge what they believe because they have to wouldn't accept our children because we were of a different faith and a faith that apparently was just too evil for everybody else.

So, you know, I don't know what the situation is with parents and I don't ever want to judge a parent.

I feel horrible just as I did when that shooter, the milkman, went with the Amish and shot up all of the children in the Amish community.

That mom could have been the worst.

That mom could have been the best.

I don't know.

But the Amish went and comforted her immediately because they said you're suffering as well i can't imagine because you know you say

what the father is doing tearing himself apart imagine what the father is saying and the mother is saying about gaming today

the the way they have got to be tearing themselves apart going i failed

I just don't feel comfortable dogpiling on that.

I want to be the person that says to them, I feel for you.

I really feel for you.

Now, that doesn't mean I don't say as well to new parents, you have no idea what's coming.

You batten down the hatches, you don't give your kids gaming, you don't give them phones, you don't give them an iPad, you're going to have to be with them all of the time.

There is no such thing as the childhood that you grew up in, it doesn't exist anymore.

I agree with that.

Are we saying the same thing just in different ways?

I think so, because I don't want my words to be misinterpreted in the sense that I am not feeling heartless towards these people.

I literally wrote that I

wouldn't wish the agony that I'm sure they're feeling on my worst enemy.

I wouldn't wish this evil

on anyone.

I can't imagine what that feels like as a mother.

I don't think that calling parents to a higher standard or encouraging them to open their eyes is an indictment or judgment on

like looking down my nose at parents as large.

I am a young parent.

You're right.

There are a lot of experiences I haven't had yet.

As I said, my oldest daughter is not yet five.

I have no idea what it is like to have a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old and a 20-year-old.

And I fully acknowledge that.

But what I do know is when there is brokenness, and you are such a redemptive story, Glenn.

You come from a family where there was incredible brokenness.

One of the prayers I say over my children every day is for God to protect them from my brokenness and from my sin and from my mistake because it doesn't matter if you came from a good family.

It doesn't matter if you feel that your eyes are open.

We are all falling short of the glory of God and I'm no exception to that.

So I don't mean to sound prideful or snobby either, but I do think that we need to not

calibrate our expectations for parents to meet just the lowest common denominator.

We need to call people to something higher because the fact of the matter is, even if you didn't know any better than to give your son gaming equipment, even if these parents can plead ignorance, we are in a culture now that has degraded the value of a mother and a father to just daycare workers.

And that's not our role.

Our role is to form the moral conscience of these children.

Liz, I appreciate your

point of view.

I think we're saying much the same thing.

I would just say, leave the parents out of it.

Let's look for the new parents to tell them because new parents are doing this every day and it's got to stop before your kid, you lose control of your kid in this society.

You got to do everything you can and then realize you might still lose your kid.

Liz, thank you so much.

God bless you.

Always a fan and always great to have you on the program.

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