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I think there is a real change happening.

I think there was a turning point

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People are turning a corner, waking up, and they are taking a stand in the most positive way.

First, they're standing with their God

and eternal truths.

And that is amazing.

We talked about that.

Also, the one clip that epitomizes Charlie Kirk, I think, and so so does Stu.

This is exactly how we should remember him.

And did the people know

that were

in transgender communities, did they know about the assassination before it occurred?

We talk about what's happening in the case itself and the difference between the cancel culture with the left and canceling beliefs versus canceling those who are celebrating Charlie's death.

Is there a difference?

I explain.

Also, Liz Wheeler to talk about families, the families of the the shooter, and you as a parent.

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The vice president today is going to be doing the Charlie Kirk Show directly following this broadcast from 12 to 2.

And he's going to be, I think he's doing it from Washington, D.C.

You know,

it's going to be hard to secure TPUSA for something like the vice president, but he'll be doing it today,

two hours on air on the Charlie Kirk Show.

I'm going to be doing it Wednesday from

TPUSA.

You can watch the Charlie Kirk Show on thecharlikirkshow.com,

Rumble and also on his X account, or America's Voice Network.

But make sure you join us.

I found out today that they're not announcing, I know who else is doing it this week.

It's an incredible roster.

And they're not announcing it for security reasons.

And

I wish I would have thought of that before I said something.

But,

you know.

And they're still doing the campus things.

I mean, I find that amazing.

How are you going to make that thing?

You're not doing it outside, that's for sure.

How are you making those secure?

And who's going to do it?

I was supposed to be with Charlie in two weeks, I think, on one of these campuses.

And I don't, I mean, I said to Charlie, I don't have the temperament for that one, Charlie.

I'm not,

I get testy fast.

I don't, I don't, uh, I have a hard time with stupidity.

But Charlie didn't.

I mean, Charlie was able to sit there through it and really talk to people.

And that's not me.

I just don't do that.

But I don't know.

They're still doing them.

So I don't know if I know my daughter does not want me to go.

Was that something that developed over time, Glenn, for Charlie?

Because my impression of Charlie early on was, you know, he was in there mixing it up maybe more aggressively.

And then I noticed, I mean, you know, always respectful, but like, you know, it was out there.

The clips I saw of him were always like him mixing it up with some liberal on campus.

And then i was very impressed by him over the past couple years at least when i noticed it that

how he was able to take time with people and try to explain things in a very calm rational way is particularly around faith i mean he was a a shining example of what you're supposed to be doing in those interactions it's very difficult to do did that develop over time for him

I don't, I couldn't tell you.

I noticed it the same way.

I noticed it did that he became calmer and calmer, you know, as things went on.

I think he just,

I mean, he was, did he have a photographic memory?

I don't even know.

You know, a guy didn't go to college.

That's probably why he's as smart as he was, but he never went to college.

Everything he learned, he learned on his own through his own, you know, research and homework and reading.

He was constantly reading.

And, you know, through scriptures.

And I bet you he mellowed with, as he became more and more

mature in his faith.

I bet he mellowed at that point and became just more confident in his faith as well.

There's a clip that went viral a few months ago.

I think we played it on the air.

I don't remember exactly if we did, but I know I talked about it off the air a lot with various people.

I didn't know Charlie Kirk was this guy.

And it was a clip of him doing a podcast with a bunch of porn stars.

Do you know this clip?

No.

And he's talking to them and he's just like, you know, I just think God has something better for you.

Oh, I do remember that.

Yeah.

And it was like, it was amazing.

Yeah.

Like, it was, you know, when I saw, like, oh, right-wing guy on the podcast with a bunch of porn stars.

Like, I almost didn't even click on the clip because I don't know.

I've seen a million of this type of stuff.

And it's just, it's not the type of stuff that interests me.

And then seeing the way he handled that situation was like really impressive.

And also, it made you think, you know,

how can I be more like this person in a moment like that?

And the reaction of all of the people around him was to be like, wow, you know, you're really respectful.

And we appreciate you having this conversation.

And maybe he didn't win anybody over to Christ in that room that day.

Who knows?

Maybe someone will be changed by that interaction.

But he was a shining light of what you were supposed to do.

And I thought it was really, really impressive.

I was very impressed by Charlie Kirk in person.

you know you see so much stuff on social media and it's like i don't know it's all so everything on social media is trash but meeting him in person and seeing him uh go through

you know the the detail that he had you know he was really well read as you mentioned

let me play the clip here here's the clip okay Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently.

And I hope the chat enjoyed it.

Look, for whatever it's worth,

if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.

I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but just maybe you'll have an encounter with God, and Jesus loves all of you, and He can transform your life.

He transformed my life.

I've had a lot of problems in my life, a lot of problems, and Jesus solves everything.

And every day is a new day, and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.

And

I know that might not be something you even believe, and you might think that all Christians hate you and your way of life and all those sorts of things.

Some of them do.

Well, I'll say this: I'm a pretty firm believing, outspoken Christian, and God loves every single one of us.

We're all sinners, and Jesus died.

I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

Well, thank you.

That's very

kind.

And I can tell you, it's not me.

If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.

It's the Holy Spirit.

That's fantastic.

That's exactly how I want to remember him.

That clip.

Yeah.

He was a good man.

He was exactly like that.

He was a good man.

Let me go back to the

information that we we have.

It looks like now the FBI is investigating the social media posts by at least seven different accounts that appear

to have had foreknowledge of the assassination,

one of which referred to the date of Kirk's assassination, September 10th, more than a month before it took place.

All were deleted in the days following.

the killing.

Several of the accounts appear to be transgender individuals.

At least one of them

followed Tyler Robinson's roommate, with whom Robinson was allegedly in a relationship with.

The FBI has received archive copies of the posts.

The posts don't establish that any of the individuals knew or conspired with Robinson,

but you know,

it's

pretty damning, pretty damning posts,

especially from

especially from the

uh the roommate.

You know, I don't know what

he apparently is uh cooperating with the police.

Everybody around Robinson is now cooperating with the police.

Um but uh but we'll see we we just don't have any idea of what actually

happened yet.

There there is suspicion that there might have been more people, at least involved or knowing about it.

and now there's also suspicion that possibly the

there was foreign influence on this now i don't know if any of this is true yet did you see the two guys that were arrested for putting the bomb under the truck of the fox 13 truck in salt lake city

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Bomb squads responded.

This was on Friday.

They found the suspicious device under the vehicle, parked near an occupied vehicle.

The bomb had been lit, but failed to function as designed.

We don't know why this was the target.

We can guess at it, but we don't know.

But the two suspects identified,

Neither one of them,

it appears as though they had

some sort of record

because they were

not supposed to be near guns.

I don't know why

that is.

We know their names.

They appear to be Arab

of Arab descent.

We don't know if they were here legally or illegally.

It appears as though they may have been Muslim.

Ages 58 and 31 might have been a father-son.

We just don't know yet.

They went to the house and they found all kinds of bomb-making materials and guns, et cetera, et cetera.

None of which, either of them, were supposed to be anywhere near, obviously.

I don't know why you would be around bomb-making.

You know, it's like, you aren't supposed to be around bomb-making material.

Really?

Because I think that's pretty much a good rule of thumb for everybody.

And maybe that's, I mean, unless you're in the bomb-making, you know, industry,

being away from bomb-making material probably might be a good rule of thumb, I think, you know.

But we'll find out more about these two guys as the investigation goes on.

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We're talking about the aftermath of Charlie Kirk and cancel culture.

This is not canceled culture.

You know, and especially, you know, I don't want it driven by the mobs.

I think, you know, if somebody says they're celebrating somebody's death, I think that's somebody I don't want to work with.

You know, Stu and I were just talking in Minnesota.

If anybody on my staff would have said, oh, my gosh, this is so great.

Do you see they just killed those politicians in Minnesota?

I would have fired them on the spot.

Would have fired them on the spot.

We didn't say those things.

And, you know, that's not what normal people think.

And if you are on the right and you do think that way, you're not a normal person.

You're sick and you should seek help.

Yeah.

I understand the point with the cancel culture thing.

It's bizarre that all of a sudden we're supposed to think that the left cares about cancel culture after they've been developing it as a weapon for all of these years.

It's such a shocking thing.

But I actually am pretty sensitive to the

idea of an excuse for one of these things being, oh, well, this one's different and here's why.

Because you can always come up with some difference, right?

Like that is a very standard thing that everyone does in their arguments.

Oh, well, I'm disagreeing with a position I held a month ago.

Well, this is different and here's why.

There's always a way to generate a why.

It's different.

The question is, are you actually being consistent with your principles and your values?

And in this one, I don't think there's anything inconsistent with what we're talking about here.

As you point out, if I've never in my life, by the way, met a person who has cheered on a murder.

I've never in my life met someone like that.

And so here, if you have a situation where if there was someone working here or someone I was working with, God forbid, working at my children's school, who was cheering on a murder of literally anyone, right or left, I wouldn't want them around me or around my kids.

It seems like a person who's pretty unbalanced and someone you don't want around.

That has nothing to do with making an off-color joke in 1998.

That's what cancel culture was about.

Hey, you made a political donation to a organization that was supporting a cause at the time that was backed by 70% of people.

Now we're going to cancel you.

That is the type of stuff that was cancel culture.

This really is different.

And that was also mob-driven.

It was also mob-driven.

Yeah.

Cancel culture is also mob-driven.

And that's the problem.

Another thing that they invented on the left.

They invented this cancel culture.

And, you know, honestly, read Cheryl Atkinson's book.

It started

with my program.

I mean,

they

did all kinds of stuff they had never ever done before to

a figure in the media.

And they just ripped me apart.

They thought they won, but they actually didn't.

And B, What they did was they perfected it, and it worked for a little while.

It worked for people for a little while.

They were canceling everybody.

If you had a different opinion on what you should put into your body for medicine, you were called a killer.

No, you, you, no, I'm not.

There's no fact based in any of that.

And your argument was based on lies and we said it at the time.

We couldn't prove it at the time, but we could...

we could see all the dots and all the connections and go, I think you're probably wrong.

Look this, this, and this.

But now we can absolutely prove it.

And they still will say you were wrong for not wanting to wear a mask or take the vaccine.

They'll still say that.

They still would like to cancel you and you don't have any place in society if you don't agree with the COVID vaccine.

I mean,

that's what cancel culture is.

This is don't celebrate death.

If I didn't want to take the vaccine because I said, yeah, because I just want to kill a whole bunch of people, it wouldn't be cancel culture.

It would be common sense and decency to remove me from whatever it is.

I wouldn't want to go into a McDonald's with a guy going, yeah, I just want to give his, I want to kill as many grandmas as I can.

Hey, you see that guy that was in Mara's mask and his grade is killing grandparents.

I wouldn't want to be around that person.

That's not cancel culture.

Now, if you found out a coworker was secretly in the KKK, would you want them to be around you working?

No.

Now, I mean, there are,

you know, so many stories that are going on with all these people who celebrated it, and some of them are being targeted at their places of work.

You know, people saying, hey, do you know this person worked for you?

Many of them are getting fired.

A lot of them, though, are at jobs that are specifically dealing with children, for example.

Like

teachers at schools.

Teachers, every single teacher should be fired.

If you're engaged in any of this,

if you didn't stand up in in front of your class and then on social media and everything else and say, Look, I disagree with Charlie Kirk.

I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but this is wrong.

Now, let's debate why it's wrong.

You do that.

But anybody who's like, Yeah, I mean, at UVU,

UVU, my son told me that classes cheered when they heard the news that day.

They cheered.

Every single teacher should be fired that didn't say to their students,

knock it off.

What is wrong with you?

You're cheering for somebody's death.

I hear another word like that, and you're all flunked.

I'm flunking all of you.

I mean, some kids were expelled from school because of this and deserve to be, frankly.

Deserve to be.

And if I want to channel my inner Charlie Kirk here for a moment and give as much grace as possible to the people,

There is a culture right now of people who almost treat politics and human life as this sort of like sport and game.

Like I, you know, I,

after

specific Eagles' losses, I have said certainly things that are not appropriate.

I may have encouraged them to dissolve the franchise and blow up the stadium.

Those sorts of thoughts enter your head and they're irrational, right?

You know they're irrational and because you're joking, it's, you know.

But like, you feel like

I could almost see a person doing something like this that is so involved in politics and so crazy that they can't control themselves.

I have not seen one story, though, yet, and I would love to see this.

This would be an incredible story to be written by an actual journalist.

Find a person who had that moment

and stop.

I'm just laughing, just trying to think of who the actual journalist is.

I don't know

who I'm busy right now.

I would love to find someone who had that moment where they actually did celebrate it and then saw the video of themselves and realized what a monster they had become.

That is an actually interesting story.

I would like to see it.

There has to be somebody in that crowd that had that moment because this is not about politics.

As I said, Glenn, if the same exact thing happened to someone on the left and I knew someone on the right who cheered it on the exact same way, I would never want to talk to them again.

You're a horrible human being if you react that way to anyone's murder and to sit back and see that happen there has to be somebody i would think who said god i am lost i've gone down this road of turning my entire life into politics and to the point that i'm now cheering on a young father's death what have i become there has to be somebody who went through that moment over the past few days i'd love to read a story about them not necessarily did you see Did you see Christian

Chenoweth?

You know, the Broadway star?

Yeah, I know who she is.

Yeah, Yeah, no, I didn't see what she said.

Okay, so she came out.

I can't find it here.

She came out and said

what a tragedy this was.

She feels for Charlie's family and his children.

Yada, yada, yada.

That's it.

Not like, hey, he was the greatest political speech giver of all time.

I, you know, I go, Charlie.

Nothing.

Just this was horrendous.

It's got to stop.

And I feel for his wife and children.

She's being canceled now.

She's being canceled.

I don't know, for standing up and saying this was wrong.

That's cancel culture.

That's a bunch of people with a political opinion saying, I cannot work with her.

Instead of saying, I don't care what anybody's political opinion is,

I feel for the children.

That's the difference.

The difference in cancel culture and actually just standing up for what is right we don't celebrate a set i don't know a single person that when those assassinations the assassination happened in uh minnesota i don't know a single person and i wouldn't want to be your friend and i would definitely excoriate you if you were a listener of mine

that

came out and said wow that was great what yeah that's that's what part of that you know it's interesting glenn i didn't even see social media posts posts to that effect.

Now, social media exists to give every voice to every opinion.

You can find anything, and I'm sure there were a couple, but I didn't even come across any that were excited about that or cheering it on.

I mean, and I don't know, that's what I would expect out of human beings.

You know, I was, I will say, at least somewhat encouraged by, for example, a decent amount of sports franchises having moments of silence for Charlie Kirk.

I don't think that happens three or four or five years ago.

Right.

Like, I don't think that happens in the peak woke era.

No.

That was good.

I was glad that actually happened.

And, you know,

it's a little bit, it's a small step, but I think a really good one that you acknowledge, hey, this is just a person who died in horrible circumstances.

And maybe we're going down the wrong road as a society if we think anything other than a moment of silence is appropriate.

Did you see the mayor up in, I think it's Massachusetts that said to the fire department, raise your flag.

We're not lowering the flag.

I mean, you want to know you're on the wrong side of history.

Imagine being the mayor of a town that said, don't you raise that, don't you lower that flag, raise that flag for Martin Luther King.

Excuse me?

I mean, this is a political and I think religious, as much as Martin Luther King was a religious and civil rights assassination, this was too.

This was two.

And I know there's a lot of people on the right that think Charlie Kirk, you know, Charlie Kirk was against the Civil Rights Act.

Well, yeah, let him make that case.

Let him make that case.

And I think you can make a strong case on that.

And I think that civil rights leaders

have been just

race hustlers and money hustlers.

BLM?

BLM?

That's a civil rights movement?

No, it's not.

no it's not yeah and i know you've talked about that before like it's not undermining you know what came out of of that era right like now obviously you agree with all you've talked about it a million times did you agree with that there you know there have been arguments legally against that act and the way it was written and and all of that over the years where we need to rehash but that's what i think exactly right and uh and that's exactly what he was saying and uh and martin luther king was a deeply flawed guy you know why he was so flawed because no one else would stand up and do it because they knew the the cost.

I mean, getting somebody like Charlie to stand up and do this who's not deeply flawed is pretty rare.

I mean, this guy was who he said he was.

And

he was absolutely a civil rights, now, I believe, a civil rights icon because he died proclaiming the civil right of free speech.

He died proclaiming the rights given to us by God.

I don't understand why we would not redefine what a civil rights leader is in this moment.

Because that's a true civil right.

You know, Jesse Jackson, he's not a civil right.

Al Sharpton, he's not a civil rights leader.

BLM, not a civil rights leader.

They may have been, you know, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson may have been back in the day, but in the 80s and 90s and 2000s, they're not civil rights leaders.

The civil rights of our era is about freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

That's what the whole argument is about.

That's why we're so afraid of our country.

Are you going to be banned on social media?

Are you going to be allowed to say anything?

Are you going to be allowed to work anywhere?

Unless if you don't agree with DEI, you're out.

No, no, that's a civil right.

I have the civil right to be able to stand up and say, no, I don't want my children seeing that.

I don't want my children indoctrinated that way.

I don't want to take and put that into my body because I don't think that that is what you say it is.

I have a civil right to say those things.

How is Charlie Kirk not

the iconic civil right leader of the day?

I think

I think that that ground should be taken by Charlie Kirk, taken back to what it originally was when Abraham Lincoln and Booker T

and Frederick Douglass were fighting for civil rights and doing it for the right reasons.

They believed in actual civil rights, as did Martin Luther King.

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Let me go to Skyla.

She's in Utah and

you

have a suggestion for the people of Utah and UVU.

What is it, Skyla?

Yes.

Hi, thank you for your voice for all of us.

I just want to say that.

I live near UVU and I have been to the campus this week several times.

I have not seen anything regarding Charlie Kirk on the UVU marquee.

I am hoping to change that by contacting you.

I am asking your listeners to contact UVU and demand Charlie Kirk's memorial be added to the UVU's marquee.

I unfortunately don't have a phone number for UVU.

They keep giving me the runaround when I call them.

Astrid Tumenez is the president of UVU, and she is very liberal.

She's trying to keep this far away from UVU, and we need to stand up and make our voices known that she cannot hide.

I also

yes.

No, go ahead, quickly.

There's also a petition on change.org to rename the courtyard and add a statue of Charlie Kirk to UVU's courtyard.

Utah Senator Daniel McKay also has a Give, Send, Go fundraiser to raise the money for the memorial.

I plead with your listeners to sign the petition and get this done.

Okay.

Thank you.

I agree with everything you said.

And the university president is a coward, I believe.

She didn't say anything until she was forced to say something a Friday afternoon.

And, you know, UVU is going to be known as the place that killed Charlie Kirk.

It's like Kent State.

I mean, you think, I'm going to go to Kent State.

Oh, you mean, wasn't that the place that there was the kids killed and everything back in the 60s?

Yeah, yeah.

That's UVU.

Congratulations.

And by not standing up and not embracing Charlie Kirk and just trying to hide from this, you're making exactly the wrong decision.

But I wouldn't expect less from a die-hard progressive university president.

Let me go to Liz Wheeler.

Hi, Liz.

How are you?

Hi, Glenn.

You're my favorite Glenn today.

I can sense this difference in you.

When we spoke last week, we were both extremely emotional because our friend had been brutally assassinated.

And I hear the fire, the righteous anger in you.

And I feel so hopeful in the midst of grief today, Glenn, because this is our whole country.

We're all rising up like a roaring lion, determined not just to post about this and talk about this, but to enact change to make sure that our country is not captured by this evil anymore.

And it gives me so much hope.

Yeah, me too.

I mean,

have hope because I know God and I see what's happening.

And this is a God movement.

And, you know, it's one thing if it was just about political change, but I think this is driving people to their knees and bringing people to God.

And that's that's the only way that all of this is going to be solved is if we solve it through God.

And I'm seeing some really, really positive signs.

Liz, let me let me talk to you about something that you wrote

recently.

I think it was on The Blaze.

And you said, look, I don't understand the sympathy for Tyler Robinson's father.

Yes, it's heartbreaking that his son is one of the worst people in the country he has ever known.

I get that part.

But let's be real, we're suffering a crisis in parenting in our country.

You want to make this case?

Yeah, I do.

And I want to first tell everyone that I say this with incredible love.

I don't say this,

I don't say this trying to pick a fight with anyone or to trigger anyone I know the response online has been a lot of people have been saying have been disagreeing with me and that's okay but I do encourage everyone to listen what I'm saying we have a parenting crisis in our country I mean on Christmas Day 2013 Tyler Robinson's mother posted on her Facebook page we just saw pictures of this because her Facebook page was public of what he was 10 years old at the time of her child Tyler Robinson deep in video games and gaming and she made a joke about now that he's got the gaming equipment that he likes he can avoid us at all times well you don't allow your 10-year-old child to isolate himself from the family to game on the computer with full access to the big, evil internet and then expect us to say, oh, wow, you did everything right with him and he still turned out to be an evil murderer.

It's not your fault.

We're so surprised.

The truth of the matter is, Glenn, and our country is ripe at this moment for accepting the truth.

Parents...

are given a duty to shepherd their children's souls.

And that doesn't mean just buying them food or buying them stuff or carpooling them to activities.

It means forming their children's moral consciences and filling their minds with discernment of good and evil.

And listen, my eldest is only four and a half years old, and I already know this is no easy task.

It requires constant presence.

You can't outsource the formation of a child's moral conscience to someone that you pay.

It requires tough decisions as a parent that might make you unpopular both with your children and with the culture at large.

You have to live counterculturally.

Your child might be the only one without a cell phone who's never even heard of TikTok, or your child might be the oddball who goes to church every Sunday while his peers are, you know, watching porn or doom scrolling on Reddit.

It certainly won't make you popular as a parent among your parental peers because nothing sets other parents on the defensive more than when you tell your child no to something they permit.

It means setting moral standards for your child, but also not just enforcing those like a law enforcement officer, but teaching him or her long before enforcing those standards is necessary to make that right choice themselves.

It means saying no to public school where the secular, anti-Christian, anti-American, morally relativistic, and honestly often downright Marxist indoctrination begins.

It means saying no to colleges that will indoctrinate him into a hardened communist revolutionary.

It means saying no to video games and the internet and cell phones and yes, even friends and peers who don't share his values and instead teaching him that he must live with his eyes to eternity, that his life is not his own, that it's Christ.

Glenn, we have a parenting crisis in our country because parents think their children are boss.

They pretend that their kids know more than they do so that they don't have to discipline, so that they don't have to acknowledge right and wrong themselves.

Parents, especially my generation or one generation above, are godless themselves, and then they wonder why their children turn out captured by the demonic.

Yes, I would not wish on my worst enemy the agony that Tyler Robinson's father must be feeling, but the time for truth is here.

And the truth is, parents are the first blind guardians of their children's minds, bodies, and souls.

And parents like Tyler Robinson's are not without blame for the way he turned out.

Okay, so

can I push back here

with you?

Because you know how much I respect you and I love you, Liz.

So let's just have a good conversation here.

What were your parents like?

Were they good parents?

Excellent parents.

So blessed by God.

They were present.

They formed me morally.

They were loving, sacrificial, the best people on earth.

My dad was a workaholic, and my mom was an alcoholic.

And I honestly, Liz,

I don't know how to be a dad.

I have been faking it my whole life.

I have done my best, and I have fallen so short.

And

I think there's a lot of people like that.

I don't know about Tyler's parents, but the other thing is 2013 was a different world entirely than it is now.

I gave my son gaming stuff at 2013, took it away from him a couple of years later, you know, when we had the FBI at our house.

You know, and I have seen the indoctrination of my children.

Tanya and I have fought for the souls of our children like crazy, like nobody's business.

And both of us feel like we fell really, really short.

I mean, we

don't know what we could have done.

And then there are other things where we're like, yeah, we could have done that.

Why weren't we doing that?

And honestly, a horrible excuse.

We were tired.

And just trying to keep our head above water with our kids so much of the time.

I just wanted to talk to you because I agree with what you're saying, that we have a parenting crisis.

I 100% agree with you.

I agree with everything that you said about being a parent.

My first thought when I read your post today was

you're a young parent

and you have no idea what is coming your way.

You have more of an idea than I did in 2010, 2013,

because you're now seeing it.

But what our kids are going through, you've,

and it's different again for you because you're a little younger.

You can relate a little bit more to the culture that is going on.

Tanya and I both looked at this culture and we were like, I don't even know, I don't even recognize any of it.

There's nothing that I grew up with as a standard that I could go, oh, yeah, well, let's talk to the teacher.

Well, let's talk to the principal.

Let's Let's do this.

Let's do that.

Let's, you know what?

Let's go get some counseling someplace.

None of them, none of them were talking common sense at all, at all.

And so you only had the church.

That's it.

And, you know, you also have people telling you,

your kids are going to commit suicide.

If you don't do this, your kids are going to commit suicide.

My kids, we didn't give them a phone.

until the school required them to have a phone.

And I would have liked to

gone to several private schools, but because we're from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,

every school, every,

every Christian school but one turned us down.

Every Christian school but one.

And I know some of the good pastors that run some of these schools.

And I went to them and I said, I'm not asking you to change your doctrine.

I'm not asking you to make special, you know, dispensations.

I want my kids to learn about your your religion i wanted to challenge what they believe because they have to wouldn't accept our children because we were of a different faith and a faith that apparently was just too evil for everybody else so you know i don't know what the situation is with parents and i don't ever want to judge a parent um i feel horrible just as I did when that shooter, the milkman, went with the Amish and shot up all of the children in the Amish community.

That mom could have been the worst.

That mom could have been the best.

I don't know.

But the Amish went and comforted her immediately because they said, you're suffering as well.

I can't imagine, because you know, you say

what the father is doing, tearing himself apart.

Imagine what the father is saying and the mother is saying about gaming today.

The way they have got to be tearing themselves apart, going, I failed.

I just don't feel comfortable dogpiling on that.

I want to be the person that says to them,

I feel for you.

I really feel for you.

Now, that doesn't mean I don't say as well to new parents, you have no idea what's coming.

You batten down the hatches, you don't give your kids gaming, you don't give them phones, you don't give them an iPad, you're going to have to be with them all of the time.

There is no such thing as the childhood that you grew up in, it doesn't exist anymore.

I agree with that.

Are we saying the same thing, just in different ways?

I think so, because I don't want my words to be misinterpreted in the sense that I am not feeling heartless towards these people.

I literally wrote that I wouldn't worse wouldn't wish the agony that I'm sure they're feeling on my worst enemy.

I wouldn't wish this evil

on anyone.

I can't imagine what that feels like as a mother.

I don't think that calling parents to a higher standard or encouraging them to open their eyes is an indictment or judgment on

like looking down my nose at parents as large I am a young parent.

You're right.

There are a lot of experiences I haven't had yet.

As I said, my oldest daughter is not yet five.

I have no idea what it is like to have a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old and a 20-year-old.

And I fully acknowledge that.

But what I do know is when there is brokenness, and you are such a redemptive story, Glenn.

You come from a family where there was incredible brokenness.

One of the prayers I say over my children every day is for God to protect them from my brokenness and from my sin and from my mistakes, because it doesn't matter if you came from a good family.

It doesn't matter if you feel that your eyes are open.

We are all fallen short of the glory of God, and I'm no exception to that.

So I don't mean to sound prideful or snobby either, but I I do think that we need to not

calibrate our expectations for parents to meet just the lowest common denominator.

We need to call people to something higher because the fact of the matter is, even if you didn't know any better than to give your son gaming equipment, even if these parents can plead ignorance, we are in a culture now that has degraded the value of a mother and a father to just daycare workers.

And that's not our role.

Our role is to form the moral conscience of these children.

Liz, I appreciate your point of view.

I think we're saying much the same thing.

I would just say, leave the parents out of it.

Let's look for the new parents to tell them because new parents are doing this every day and it's got to stop.

Before your kid, you lose control of your kid in this society.

You got to do everything you can and then realize you might still lose your kid.

Liz, thank you so much.

God bless you.

Always a fan and always great to have you on the program.

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