Ep 272 | He Hunted SATANIST Mexican Cartels and SURVIVED | Dave Franke | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Speaker 5 You may never have heard of the satanic underbelly of the drug cartels, but my next guest has.

Speaker 5 In fact, he's seen it firsthand. Can the Trump administration get them out,

Speaker 5 out of the U.S.,

Speaker 5 before we see the rise in the U.S., this brand of narco-Satanism?

Speaker 5 I want to welcome a man who has faced off against the cartel in one of the most violent regions in Mexico and lived to talk about it, Dave Frank.

Speaker 5 Dave, welcome. How are you?

Speaker 4 I'm very well, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me on your show.
And I just got to tell you that I'm a longtime fan 20 plus years. Thank you.

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 5 I have to tell you, we found you on some podcast recently, and your story is the most unbelievable story I think I've ever heard.

Speaker 5 It is

Speaker 5 horrifying. And there are people on my staff that are like, he's got to be CIA.
He's got to be CIA. And

Speaker 5 I didn't get that impression. How did you get

Speaker 5 to where you were

Speaker 5 seeing all the things you're about to tell us about?

Speaker 4 I had a turbulent childhood, Glenn. And my mother used to smoke pot with Charles Manson

Speaker 4 in the San Fernando Valley Court.

Speaker 4 What? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 It's really that wild. I was given away the day I was born.
And my mother, my parents were very good parents. Don't get me wrong, but I was a product of the Vietnam War.

Speaker 4 My mother was just coming out of the 60s. She just missed the Tate LaBianca murders by about six months because my grandmother, who was very much 1950s

Speaker 4 June Cleaver.

Speaker 4 found out that my mother was doing drugs with Charles Manson up in Santa Susanna Pass portion of

Speaker 4 San Fernando Valley. And so I had kind of a turbulent upbringing.
And as a result, ran into some troubles predictably in my childhood and was kicked out at 16

Speaker 4 and basically left to fend for myself. Yeah, and you, and so you became a

Speaker 5 hard drug addict, right? And found yourself.

Speaker 5 I have something from what, 1996.

Speaker 5 You were tried for murder, I believe.

Speaker 4 1991, I was tried for

Speaker 4 attempted murder. And I didn't do it.
I was there. I regret very much that day.
In fact, ever since, and I've been trying to make a living amends by being a better person.

Speaker 4 But I was present when someone was viciously attacked. They had their throat slit, and it was robbing a drug dealer.

Speaker 4 Correct.

Speaker 5 So,

Speaker 4 you regrettably.

Speaker 5 You sober up

Speaker 4 28 years.

Speaker 5 Yeah, 28 years. So you sober up, and then how did you get back to Mexico where you were working with the police there to infiltrate and break up drug lords? I mean, the worst of the worst.

Speaker 4 I used to manage an aerospace factory, Glenn. My father, my biological father, I have two fathers.
One... was Marines and the other was Army.
And

Speaker 4 my biological father, long story short, owned a factory where we were producing 90 of the airport runway lights in the world for HP

Speaker 4 and I learned a lot about engineering and everything from bill of materials to

Speaker 4 giving the customer their products for Boeing and other place shopping I shouldn't be mentioning all of their company names but that's how I learned how to machine and I wound up in Mexico opening up a $60 million factory for a third-tier supplier to Boeing and Airbus.

Speaker 4 And I decided I wanted to stay in Mexico and hunt drug cartels.

Speaker 4 That's the long and short of it.

Speaker 5 You do realize how crazy just this part of the story sounds, right?

Speaker 5 My mom is smoking taupe with

Speaker 5 Charles Manson, and I'm now running a $60 million aerospace. I mean,

Speaker 5 your life is unbelievable. And we've gone through the records and what we can find everything you say seems to check out I mean it's crazy your life

Speaker 4 well to be completely clear I was not managing the entire factory I was managing the machining and engineering aspect of that factory right okay so there's also fabrications and composites but yes I was in charge of both of those correct

Speaker 5 but you do you realize how crazy your life's been or is it just

Speaker 4 Well, it's just my life. I mean, I've gone down to enlist in this country, Glenn, seven different times, and I've seen a lot of the comments that my videos are starting to generate.

Speaker 4 They think I'm a spook, an MK Ultra baby. I am not.

Speaker 4 Full disclosure, I did talk to the CIA at one point in time when I was about 28,

Speaker 4 more or less, and had a half-hour conversation with them in Langley, Virginia.

Speaker 4 about trying to join them because I very much would have liked to have done that or been in the military in this country and served. I believe in that strongly.

Speaker 4 I've lived in different places, such as Provo, Utah, run around the missionary training center every day. And I have a very

Speaker 4 wholesome idea of what the United States of America is and what freedom means. And I definitely support that.

Speaker 4 As I stated, I've been a fan of yours for 20-some odd years or longer.

Speaker 4 And I very much believe in this vision of the United States.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 5 you're down in Mexico, and

Speaker 5 you decide,

Speaker 5 and I assume assume it's your upbringing and your

Speaker 5 1991 experience that makes you say, I want to go get drug lords.

Speaker 4 Right? 100%.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. I mean, I had wound up in Russia previously.
I don't want to get too far off track, but I had wound up in Russia previously. I saw the Daniel,

Speaker 4 you're asking me how this happened. I saw the Daniel Pearl beheading video.
And that

Speaker 4 really affected me.

Speaker 4 And when I saw the Daniel Pearl beheading video, I thought to myself, there is Americans of every color, every creed.

Speaker 4 And when they're attacking us, I'm not going to wait for the American government to give me permission to go do the right thing. I'm going to find a way.
So I had already had that mentality.

Speaker 4 And I had a daughter. And my ex-wife left my daughter in Russia with my ex-mother-in-law.

Speaker 4 And when that happened, it's just the way all the things coalesced or happened at the same time where I was working at this this factory at the time i was manufacturing supervisor in the united states for a component of this factory one of the sites it was an international company

Speaker 4 and the first team had gone down and failed and because my father had taught me how to machine everything engineering everything all of the programs and all of it

Speaker 4 manufacturing process engineering is basically what I do.

Speaker 4 They'd asked me to go down to Mexico to start this factory up, and I had disagreed.

Speaker 4 I did not want to go because I had 180 to 200 people that were working for me in the United States, three shifts of about 65 people each.

Speaker 4 And I owed them to them to save their jobs. And when Brock was in office or

Speaker 4 coming to be in office, they came up with a low-cost. company plan to send all the workers jobs south of the border.

Speaker 4 And because I did not agree to go along with it, it kind of drove a wedge between myself. I was middle management at the time and executive management.

Speaker 4 My ex had left my daughter in Russia, and I had written the PEJERE de la Procoría Canada de la República, which is the Mexican Department of Justice, asking them for a job because I figured I'm going to go hunt drug cartels.

Speaker 4 And they'd email me back about six months later, telling me, Mr.

Speaker 4 Frank, lamento que decir que en este momento, no puedes trabaar para nosotos, which means regrettably, in this moment, you cannot work for us.

Speaker 4 So I took that to be a huge positive because they're not saying no. They're just saying not right now.
Not right now.

Speaker 4 So when the first team went to Mexico to go set up that factory and they failed, when they came back to me six months later, all of this stuff had been going on and I agreed to go down there and use that to bankroll or finance my

Speaker 5 trying to become involved in the Mexican drug war because I was just going to go take care of it and then you were trying to and you did end up working for an elite uh police special force kind of like our swat teams up here i imagine

Speaker 4 definitely g-at-t-p-e okay gaffpe grupo automobile táctica de la policida estatal okay great yes sir and how did you get into that because somehow or another you met a general down there right and i went around knocking on doors every day as soon as we were living in Avenida Hildago at the Argento Inn

Speaker 4 in downtown Zacatecas, Mexico, which is one of the bloodiest places there are. When I first got there, I didn't realize I was a complete tourist.

Speaker 4 I was completely naive to just how much goes on in Mexico, as we are, because we're not from there.

Speaker 4 And when I got there,

Speaker 4 they would pick us up at seven o'clock in the morning and at five o'clock at night when we'd get off, I was immediately out knocking on the Department of Justice door, Policia Federal's door, all these doors.

Speaker 4 And finally, I got an audience with General Quezon's Pintortiz.

Speaker 5 How did you know who to trust? Because some of the government is in.

Speaker 5 You don't.

Speaker 4 You don't know who to trust. I mean, you have to take into consideration my perspective at the time.

Speaker 4 My ex-wife had left my daughter in Russia and came back to the United States, stating that she wanted a prolonged honeymoon, honeymoon. But really, I don't want to get.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I have a lot of respect for my ex-wife and the hardships of her life. And I'm not going to critique anything that she's done.
I don't agree with it. But that's my perspective at the time.

Speaker 4 I was in Mexico and I'm going to stay in Mexico. So you don't know.
who to trust. And my daughter is a very big deal to me.

Speaker 4 So because my daughter was removed from my life, I was completely okay with confronting an enemy and possibly perishing doing that because they'd given me drugs as a child, and I'm an adult man now, and I'm going to confront this evil, period.

Speaker 5 Did you have any idea at the time what you were getting into?

Speaker 4 No, not immediately. I mean, you have a general broad sense of an idea.
The first time that it really hit home was

Speaker 4 managing this factory, the machining and engineering components of it. All of our, the machining industry did not exist in Zacatecas prior to our arrival.

Speaker 4 So we had to take chili farmers and train them how to make flight-critical parts for Boeing and Airbus, which we did.

Speaker 4 But one day we're at the factory, and all of a sudden, at 12 o'clock, they tell us that we have to go back to town because the cartel is shutting everything down, literally.

Speaker 4 And this is the capital city of the state. Wow.
And we get back to the hotel, and I'm looking outside at all of these businesses around shuttering their doors.

Speaker 4 And just the thought of someone shutting down Boston

Speaker 4 or

Speaker 4 I want to say a similar-sized city, it would be similar to the entire area of Provo and Oram being shut in Utah, being shut down at noon because

Speaker 4 the cartel was upset that they weren't getting their money or their remittances from the bars at night.

Speaker 4 So they shut everything down with the threat of violence and closed off the highways with burning buses. In fact, it's going on right now.

Speaker 4 Still. And nothing happens.

Speaker 4 there are gunfights that go on it depends um

Speaker 4 my experience there was one of two things well one of three things a you don't even know about it and it's just cartel against cartel and they're killing each other out in the middle of the desert and nobody knows or b you are getting in a firefight with them which has also happened on several occasions or c There'll be two cartels fighting each other right downtown.

Speaker 4 I've got video of my wife and myself being right next to a gunfight for two hours and 45 minutes. Jeez,

Speaker 4 the club cactus, right on Avenida Hildago, right next to where we lived in our first apartment together. So, and nobody came in, and it was uh terrifying, Glenn,

Speaker 4 because I thought for sure I didn't have any weapons with me in my apartment at the time. I was

Speaker 4 and my wife and I were there, and it started off with seven gunshots, six or seven gunshots from a nine-millimeter,

Speaker 4 about five minutes lapsed, and then the people had come back. And this was a bar that cartels frequented.

Speaker 4 And they came back five minutes later with AK-47s, and it didn't stop for two hours and 45 minutes. And it was almost three hours of the most terrifying time I've ever had in my entire life.

Speaker 4 So after a while, you get acclimated to what's going on. And nobody came.
Nobody came. There was no one to rescue us.
If they'd come up, we lived on the second floor apartment.

Speaker 4 I've got pictures there. If they'd come up, my uniforms were there.
All my papers were there. I've got my papers a few feet from me.

Speaker 4 And I had to think about how I was going to try to

Speaker 4 end my wife's existence so she wouldn't be tortured and raped and all these other things because they would definitely know that I was police. So this is kind of like what goes on in Mexico.

Speaker 4 on a daily basis.

Speaker 4 And it's tragic because the Mexicans are very, very good, hardworking, honest, noble people by and large that has very much been my experience there and then there's this undercurrent and it's everywhere it's a ubiquitous you don't even know it when you get to the country of an evil that exists provoked largely by economic factors or drivers where people don't have any other opportunity and the level of wealth that we have here in the United States just isn't in existence in the in the Republic of Mexico so people enter this this lifestyle.

Speaker 5 And what is the...

Speaker 5 Does the average person want it to go away?

Speaker 5 They're just paralyzed with, I can't do anything about it, so I'm just going to live my life.

Speaker 4 Stay out of the way?

Speaker 4 They definitely want it to go away. Most of the Republic of Mexico are Catholic, honest, church-going people or hard-working farmers, very much like the core.

Speaker 4 type of people that make up the bulk of the United States as soon as you step outside of the cities.

Speaker 4 I mean, they're very very wholesome down-to-earth people they definitely don't want that to go away but at the same time

Speaker 4 you might go two or three or four years looking for a job in mexico because the opportunities just that are yeah that exist here just aren't existent there they're not present so and you have people that are forced

Speaker 4 to to participate in that and when you

Speaker 5 so you joined the police how did he know you were on the right side how did the i mean you didn't know who to trust. How did he know to trust you?

Speaker 4 I didn't find this out until years later, probably until about three years into it, but they had investigated me the entire time as soon as I knocked on their door.

Speaker 4 It wasn't something that happened immediately. They would track my movements from my home to,

Speaker 4 it's about a 20-minute drive out to the airport where the factory is located from my home. They would watch me.
They did background checks on me here in the United States. They,

Speaker 4 which I don't understand that either, because this is obviously much after that article in the LA Times came out that you mentioned to begin with.

Speaker 4 But long story short, they let me in and initially they let me in as an instructor for martial arts. I've got a background in Dog Brothers, martial arts, wrestling, and judo.

Speaker 4 And a lot of people don't want to believe it. I wasn't having to fight like three top-tier people, but I'd mentioned it on the Camp Ganyon podcast.

Speaker 4 My interview was very much going down and beating up three recruits. People can take issue with that, but that's absolutely what happened.
I have witnesses that were there.

Speaker 4 I don't need to corroborate it anymore, but that's how I got in there. And I was offered a job.

Speaker 4 My official rank is Suboficial Operativo, which is basically a sergeant, a tactical sergeant for tactical operations against the cartel. And I've got

Speaker 4 My carta deportación, which is my cart or a copy of it.

Speaker 4 You have to turn it in when you leave, but it has the matricula or the serial numbers of the weapons that you carried, what you're allowed to carry, where you're allowed to carry it.

Speaker 4 I've got paycheck stubs that can be cross-referenced.

Speaker 4 So all of this.

Speaker 4 I got in there and I got a job as an instructor teaching recruits martial arts to begin with. That's how I started.
And my general liked me.

Speaker 5 And how did it went? What was the first time you went out? What was the first major thing you were involved in?

Speaker 4 The first major thing that i was involved in was a gunfight in jerez where we went to primarily we operated in zacatecas but one night we're going out on patrol and we get called over we work with the army constantly we get called over to a gunfight in jerez mexico jerez zacatecas mexico And we get there and then I get yelled at by this Mexican colonel for advancing in the middle of the street, not using cover, because I was brand new.

Speaker 4 I didn't understand. You do your training and stuff like that.
We have got pay training at base,

Speaker 4 but until you're immersed in it, you really don't know. It's kind of like learning.

Speaker 4 I got yelled at for advancing without cover or concealment, right in the middle of the street, like just someone that's completely naive, and I was.

Speaker 4 And we get there, and there's four beheaded people, and three of the bodies are males, and one of them is female. And then that's when it really hit home: the brutality of

Speaker 4 just what the Mexican drug war is. We see it all the time on news in the United States.

Speaker 4 And that misses a lot of things. It misses the beautiful aspects of Mexico because there's a lot, but it also misses the upfront, up close and personal level of brutality that is there.
So I had both.

Speaker 5 I had, when I was at CNN, then later at Fox, I had people who lived on the American side of the border and they were sending me images of heads on fence posts all the way, you know,

Speaker 5 heads used as bowling balls.

Speaker 5 Just horrific, horrific things. CNN nor Fox would allow me to air them.

Speaker 5 And every time I would reach out to somebody who was going to be a source, the second time I reached out, they were just, they were nowhere to be found. I mean, they were just...

Speaker 5 They were like, no, I've done my part. There's no more I have to say.

Speaker 5 The amount of fear on the border is remarkable. And you never see anybody really talk about that

Speaker 5 on the news, ever.

Speaker 4 My wife and I discussed it before I came

Speaker 4 onto your podcast or your show.

Speaker 4 And she was a reporter, a national level reporter for Televisa. And both her and I.
have worked in the security industry in Mexico. And

Speaker 4 it's not an overstatement to say that we've forgotten how many heads we've seen, which is atrocious because if you even see one, it's already too much.

Speaker 4 And in the course of that, working in that, you'll see so many that you can't even count them all. And I mean, if I really sat down and tried hard, maybe I could.

Speaker 4 But it's in dozens, dozens of them that you'll see.

Speaker 4 And the reporters that report on this too,

Speaker 4 it's a terrifying experience for them because they get threatened or even, I don't want to say unalive. I don't like that word because

Speaker 4 butchered. Their existence will be, yeah, they'll be butchered or killed in their homes or whatever for even speaking out on it.

Speaker 4 I saw a comment the other day on one of the YouTube videos that asked, how is this guy still alive?

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I have a strong faith in Jesus, but I also have a strong faith that no one's going to send me anywhere one minute before my maker wants me there anyway. So it's not tempting fate, but it also is

Speaker 4 you do your best to show up and do what you're going to do. But the drug war in Mexico is definitely brutal.
Brutal in terms of combat fatalities between state or government forces and cartel forces.

Speaker 4 And then also intra-cartel violence.

Speaker 4 So it's just, it's, it's omnipresent. It's everywhere.

Speaker 5 Is this a

Speaker 5 state run by

Speaker 5 the drug lords and the drug lords allow some of the politicians to run things? Or is it run by the politicians and they allowed some of the drug lords to get away with what they get?

Speaker 5 Who's the kingpin in Mexico?

Speaker 4 I think the latter is true. I really do.
And the reason why, I mean,

Speaker 4 they're both powerful groups or organizations. And by organizations, I'm talking about the cartels collectively as a whole.

Speaker 4 They're both powerful entities because they have a lot of money and firepower behind them.

Speaker 4 The government has more firepower, obviously.

Speaker 4 They've got the Semar and the Sedana, and every state and federal police force, which is basically trustworthy because they don't work and operate exactly where they live.

Speaker 4 So there's a layer, there are layers that separate them from the community and the local cartels. But

Speaker 4 to say that the cartels don't have control or an influence in who is being allowed to govern

Speaker 4 would also be, they definitely don't want to lie politicians all the time.

Speaker 4 In fact, I don't think there's another country in the entire world that has more political candidate that's assassinated than Mexico. And that also goes for journalists, too.

Speaker 4 I don't think there's another country in the world that has more journalists that are. executed.
So to say that the cartel does not have a voice is

Speaker 4 is lacking in my opinion.

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Speaker 5 When you get into it, I mean, most people will think of the drug cartels in a way that they've seen portrayed in movies, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 5 Or even, you know,

Speaker 5 I guess the old timers will think about the mafia, but this is not the mafia. This is not the drug cartels that you can even imagine.

Speaker 5 What is the percentage of them that are part of this

Speaker 5 religious cult of the patron saint of death?

Speaker 4 As far as that goes, like one of the things that we would be tasked with doing, Glenn, is we would have to routinely go into the prisons. And this is how you get a good measure of it.

Speaker 4 we would routinely go into the prisons to remove cell phones firearms knives all of this from the prison so we'd go through and we would inspect the prisons

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 in there they were allowed to make clothing belts tables and you would see santa muerte everywhere and they have different cartels in different blocks to avoid them from to prevent them from killing each other because they're very violent but you'd go into each one of these blocks and regardless at the time it was primarily the zeta cartel and the golf cartel cartel that were in there there's also cartel that sinaloa but we'd go in there and we would inspect all their blocks for contraband and come out with santa muerte carvings on clothing drawings on shirts on paper etched into wood tables just everywhere so to say that that's not something that's completely prevalent against them is just completely untrue.

Speaker 4 They believe in it the same way that most people believe in

Speaker 4 a God of their choice.

Speaker 5 So, explain for people who don't know what Santa Muerta is, explain what is it.

Speaker 4 To the best of my understanding, because I'm not a practitioner and I want to make that clear, but I do know what I see at work.

Speaker 4 And so, you'll see altars on the side of the road. It's basically a skeleton that's dressed in a robe that's kind of mocking, like, I don't know if it's directly mocking

Speaker 4 the virgin mary but it is their rendition of the patron saint of death they have different colors of it and to be clear not cat catholics aren't the ones practicing this or if they are it's not endorsed by the catholic church in any official capacity this is a perversion of that and it's it's the correct it's the opposite of god this is evil

Speaker 4 it's a hundred percent evil this is uh

Speaker 4 it's a saint that gives them permission to do whatever they want, torture whoever they want, kill whoever they want.

Speaker 4 And, you know, to be honest, even talking about this, someday there could be real consequences for myself and my wife.

Speaker 4 But I'm going to say what I have to say, being a free person, it's something that you'll see in the stores. It's so

Speaker 4 I used the word earlier, ubiquitous. It's everywhere.

Speaker 4 You go to every state and every state has a store that's selling candles and statues of Santa Muerte in different colors for blessings for health, blessings for money, blessings for love, or whatever.

Speaker 4 And I saw a comment on one of the videos to where someone had gotten upset with me because I was not presenting their patron saint of death in a positive light.

Speaker 4 There's nothing positive about worshiping death, it's a way to where

Speaker 4 you see it carried out in the streets in Mexico in every state, every single day to where it's brutal.

Speaker 4 The bodies that I've seen, the bull wounds I've seen,

Speaker 4 and not just myself, but everybody in Mexico, including those that do not work for the government or the cartels, they see it too carried out in their streets every single day.

Speaker 5 This is

Speaker 5 talk a little bit about the rituals that

Speaker 5 because

Speaker 5 when you have witnessed or somehow or another seen

Speaker 5 them killing people and then bringing them back to life to kill them again

Speaker 4 no this is something there was a case of a guy that had a defibrillator and obviously i wasn't there while they were doing this but yeah they had a defibrillator and they were torturing this person and he would go out and then they were supposedly trying to bring this person back to life so they could kill them again

Speaker 4 it's just next

Speaker 4 There's evil that exists in every country, but Mexico is just over the top.

Speaker 4 And the reason why you were talking about the mafia earlier, the cartels could maybe be compared to 1930s or 1920s mafia when they were fighting against prohibition. And what do I mean by that?

Speaker 4 I mean.

Speaker 4 From an organizational standpoint, a large affront, a direct challenge to government power that the mafia did do in this country, except in Mexico.

Speaker 4 It's gone on for so long at this point that it's just the course du jour. It's just the way things are done.
So, when a government tells people that they can't do something,

Speaker 4 and this is going to the defibrillator thing in a little bit,

Speaker 4 you get an atmosphere to where everyone's trying to one-up each other because they want to impress or send a message, not just to the government and the normal people, but to their enemies, that this is the way that we do things.

Speaker 4 So, you always get someone trying to invent something. It started with the face mask.
There's a flaying video of someone having his face and his head billed off.

Speaker 4 Alive.

Speaker 4 Alive?

Speaker 5 Alive.

Speaker 4 Alive.

Speaker 4 He was drugged, but yes, he was alive. And this happened where I was working.
This is just,

Speaker 4 how can I put it?

Speaker 4 Because I struggle to try to bring this to Americans in a way that they can comprehend. And I don't want this to be like morbid tourism.
I want everyone to be able to live in peace.

Speaker 4 But the day that went to Mexico, naive,

Speaker 4 managing an aerospace factory, I was making a lot of money going to make $600 a year. And the day that left Mexico, or $600 a month rather, and the Dave that left Mexico aren't the same person.

Speaker 4 And the only reason that is, is because it's been stewed in this for so long. Even after.
I left service and was going to law school and everything, trying to button that up.

Speaker 4 It's just something that stays with you. It's kind of like a stain on a Tupperware dish.
It's not anything that's ever going to really come off.

Speaker 4 And it's not just me, but it's everyone in the Mexican society that has to deal with this, as well as the politicians that are in policymaking positions and politicians that are in policymaking positions that are aligned with the cartel and working with them directly because that happens too.

Speaker 5 You know, when people come down to Mexico, they might buy one of those candles because

Speaker 5 they see it and they're like, oh, it's, you know,

Speaker 5 a skeleton in a cloak, and they don't realize

Speaker 4 you have one, Glenn. I had a rosary with Santa Martha on it, just kind of as like a as a trinket, and then I got rid of it because of the idolatry commandment in the Bible.

Speaker 4 But I mean, I had one for a short while, so it's something that's popular. Yes, people that don't even practice it are buying trinkets like that, but it is everywhere.

Speaker 5 So, um,

Speaker 5 you get in, and how do these missions work?

Speaker 5 You would come in like a normal SWAT team, and you would find these things, or

Speaker 4 what? What would happen is there are different

Speaker 4 law enforcement in Mexico set up.

Speaker 4 First of all, you have a lot of people that are corrupt, even people that are in uniforms or people that are working for intelligence or the ministry that are corrupt and do work directly with the cartels, whichever one it happens to be that's in control of that area.

Speaker 4 Or there are instances where where certain members of the government forces are working for different cartels even underneath the same organization they're competing with each other that's happened too

Speaker 4 but what so as a result law enforcement in mexico set up to where you basically have investigative police and then preventative police and the preventative police are your swat type people the ones that are going to go out and react to any type of violence but they're also the ones as far as got paid that was my group or my unit.

Speaker 4 Once we get intelligence, typically what will happen is there will be security meetings at the military bases or other places to where the Army, the Marines, federal preventative police, federal or state preventative police, and plus the ministry police at a federal and state level will all get together and they'll come up.

Speaker 4 with whatever it is that they're going to do. Then we'll go out and

Speaker 4 commit or conduct missions missions based on that.

Speaker 4 Together as a group to try to cut down on corruption or the cartel being informed in any type of way.

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Speaker 5 You know, I think it was Donald Trump that said

Speaker 5 this is the ISIS of,

Speaker 5 you know, Mexico.

Speaker 5 And, you know, when you look at ISIS, the

Speaker 5 ability to enslave people, to just murder them brutally, horribly, without any feeling.

Speaker 5 It seems like this is pretty accurate to say that these cartels are the ISIS of Mexico.

Speaker 4 I would say that that's true.

Speaker 4 I do have one thing that I wanted to bring up, and I don't know, maybe you could, I don't know what your thoughts are on it, but when I was working, it was very much the Zetas.

Speaker 4 for disciplined military personnel.

Speaker 4 And when you get people for interrogation, there are things that you'll learn that come out, just differences in personnel from different cartels that you're working with in the area.

Speaker 4 And the Zetas were a very disciplined, hardcore cartel, maybe even more so than others, is kind of what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 what is curious to me is the way that the Cartel de Jalisco de Nueva Canada has been able to flourish.

Speaker 4 I don't know if they have government, either from the United States or from Mexico, that are helping them become as powerful as they are.

Speaker 4 And the reason why I'm saying that is because you have all these other powerful cartels that are immersed in a drug war that they carry out on a day-to-day basis.

Speaker 4 So they're seasoned, they're hardened, they have resources, they have arms,

Speaker 4 they're good at their business.

Speaker 4 And then all of a sudden you have one cartel that's an upstart that was an upstart in 2008 or 2009, very new, be able to come through and just clean house the way that they haven't been able to flourish.

Speaker 4 I wonder what allows that. It's not something that I want to get into.
It's just a question that I'm throwing out there. But they have been able to flourish against

Speaker 4 embedded, hardened enemies. And then all of a sudden they just go through and they're able to just take over the way that they have.
Do you ever see that the government

Speaker 4 has to be complicit in that at some point?

Speaker 5 Have you ever seen the

Speaker 5 TV show Ozark?

Speaker 4 I have.

Speaker 5 So, you know, in one of the seasons, the drug cartels are allowed to exist because the federal government wants information.

Speaker 4 I agree with that to a large portion.

Speaker 4 I'd gotten an email from one of your personnel, and they were asking me about that exact question. I had a good amount of time to think about it.

Speaker 4 And one of it is,

Speaker 4 first of all, we have to get rid of the notion that the cartel is not operating in the United States.

Speaker 4 It absolutely is.

Speaker 4 The Chinese from an ocean away on the other side of the Pacific are conducting illegal grows or even legal grows in the state of Maine, legal grows rather, all the way on the other side of the United States from China.

Speaker 4 They're conducting marijuana grows in Maine. So if you have people from China that are on the east coast of the United States conducting grows,

Speaker 4 It's a no-brainer that the Mexican cartels are absolutely operating within the United States when

Speaker 4 they're our nearest neighbors. It goes without saying.
And the government does allow it. Why they allow it, I don't know, but we do know that they have tunnels that are coming into the United States.

Speaker 4 They've been smuggling in precursor drugs and personnel or human trafficking for years.

Speaker 4 And initially, I didn't like the human

Speaker 4 trafficking aspect of it. I wasn't a believer, but I am now.

Speaker 4 Having met enough immigrant people from here, I have immigrants in this country that I know that have been sequestered by the cartel in Mexico and forced to work for them.

Speaker 4 And they are absolutely operating on both sides of the border, internally and externally, of this country. I personally

Speaker 5 think our government has been making

Speaker 5 these drug cartels very, very wealthy.

Speaker 5 Let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 The Home Security Task Force says that they have removed 3,000 foreign terrorists and cartel members, recovered 2 million fentanyl pills, 70 tons of deadly narcotics, seized 3 million on currency, and 1,000 illegal guns from America.

Speaker 5 Does that sound like a dent?

Speaker 4 No, I don't even think it's a scratching the surface, to be honest. And I say that in the basis of

Speaker 4 I see what we

Speaker 4 confront in Mexico, and I also hear what happens in other states. And the area of Mexico that I work in is very hotly contested, so there are a lot of cartels fighting for it

Speaker 4 and the way borders work in Mexico

Speaker 4 states interlap finger like because they follow geographic rivers or mountain ranges or whatever so you'll drive through several states and as a result you are constantly interacting with other state and federal police agencies that are based in different states and every state has the same thing so do i think that a few a thousand weapons puts a dentonate definitely not glenn not even even close.

Speaker 4 I do caution from my law school thing, labeling people as a terrorist without charging them or detaining them indefinitely in court. I'm not with that.

Speaker 4 I think that they do need to be charged and have their day in court. However, would I label it as terrorism? Definitely.
If you have the charges that apply to it, it is terrorism.

Speaker 4 You're subjecting an entire population under the implicit threat of violence at any moment, even when they're in their homes minding their own business. I mean, that's just not okay.
It's not a dent.

Speaker 5 You know, I heard you talk about these guys, and they seem to come after just anybody.

Speaker 5 I mean, you told the story of a guy who they just were taking the money out of his bank account for several days while they were torturing him.

Speaker 4 They go after everybody in the community, Glenn. One of the things that I did in Mexico is I rented a warehouse

Speaker 4 because I was trying to build a helicopter out of carbon fiber. And I was building an autoclave, which is a vacuum chamber oven.

Speaker 4 So you can bake impregnated resin or fibers.

Speaker 4 And one of the things, when you're opening a business in Mexico, one of the primary reasons for a lack of opportunity there is because

Speaker 4 even

Speaker 4 The normal citizenry, if they try to get ahead and open a business, they're going to have the cartel in their shops, shaking them down for money or extorting them.

Speaker 4 And so every single person, if it's found out that you have money, if they have a home that the cartel wants, the cartel will send people over them to go get their home.

Speaker 4 Everybody is a target.

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Speaker 5 So when I talked to the president

Speaker 5 four or five months ago,

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 5 okay, you remember his answer? He was very coy, and I said, you know, I'm kind of hoping that, you know, maybe some of these cartel guys just wake up dead and the United States just sends in our

Speaker 5 elite teams and just starts killing them all.

Speaker 5 And he said, well, I wouldn't want to get, I'm not going to make that kind of news tonight. He didn't deny it, didn't say it was true that we would do that.
Is that the right way to go?

Speaker 5 What's the right way to go to get these guys?

Speaker 4 I don't think that that's a way that's going to work. And

Speaker 4 first of all, my utmost,

Speaker 4 I'll tell you, my utmost respect to all the service members.

Speaker 4 Because until you conquer the socioeconomic problems of a lack of opportunity, you're going to have a never-ending flood of people that need to eat, that don't have access to a job and do not have access to the American job market because they can't come here.

Speaker 4 And if that's the case, given the demand for drugs in this country and others, there's going to be a market that's going to generate legal income that will continue to finance weapons

Speaker 4 situated in

Speaker 4 a society to where

Speaker 4 confronting government, whether it's internal or external, is just the way that things are done, the way business is conducted.

Speaker 4 So you can send people in and try to cut off the head try to cut off all the other people however that's just going to continue to fill their ranks and continue to conduct we've already done it we've done it with chapo we've done it with

Speaker 4 so many different cartel heads zeta quaranto i can go down an entire list and these organizations have continued to flourish for decades now glenn so i don't think and they've been being killed this whole time

Speaker 4 not going to work and you

Speaker 5 it's also not not taking into consideration i mean one of the things reason why isis is hard to deal with why

Speaker 5 um islamists are hard to deal with is they believe it it's a religion and and this how much does this

Speaker 5 evil religion

Speaker 4 how big of a role does that play in this is that just for the it plays a huge role it plays a huge role in it because it sets a precedent that you can actually

Speaker 4 stand up to a government confront them They drop helicopters out of the sky, Glenn. So it's not something that they haven't conducted with a small amount of success.

Speaker 4 They've been very successful with confronting government forces, hardened government forces, I might add, because every military member and law enforcement agent in Mexico has been a member of this drug war for going on 15, 20 years now.

Speaker 4 Almost 20 years. 2028 will be 20 years if it launched in 2008.
So they're very battle-hardened. And you have cartels that are

Speaker 4 avidly, blatantly challenging government forces, be they American or Mexican, because you have American intelligence

Speaker 4 operatives that are working in Mexico

Speaker 4 in

Speaker 4 advisory functions or roles in Mexico. So they are working against both governments.
And they have people that are working over here too. So killing them, I don't think that's going to work.

Speaker 4 They've tried it for 20 years. So here we are.

Speaker 5 They have bounties on the heads of people here in America

Speaker 5 and politicians here in America.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 How real is that?

Speaker 4 I do think that there is some, I think that

Speaker 4 there is some credence to that. I think that that is something that is on the table.

Speaker 4 I don't know how many cartels in Mexico, because when you say a cartel is putting a bounty on someone that works for DHS or ICE or judges,

Speaker 4 the level of heat that that is going to bring

Speaker 4 is substantial. And so oftentimes, because people ask me, why am I still alive?

Speaker 4 I think that killing me would have generated more heat than it would have been worth just because I'm an American citizen.

Speaker 5 And when you- So they still do have a, they still have some boundary on that. I mean, I know they kidnap Americans at the border all the time, but

Speaker 4 But there is some boundary. At the end of the day,

Speaker 4 it is business. When you're killing a judge or killing someone that works for the federal government, yeah, you are definitely inviting

Speaker 4 the full weight of American military might. I mean, here's

Speaker 5 what they have.

Speaker 5 They have bounties on federal officials, $2,000 for gathering intelligence on officers and their families, including doxing, publishing private information, $5,000 to $10,000 for non-lethal assaults or kidnapping of ICE and Border Patrol officers, and up to $50,000 for assassinating a high-ranking official.

Speaker 4 First of all, I would question how they're going to pay that out. I was going to say.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying that that's not true. I do believe that it is true, but I'm saying that how would they

Speaker 4 really go about paying that out?

Speaker 4 I do believe that their intent is there, that they do not want people. messing with their money supply in any way, shape, or form.

Speaker 4 I don't know enough about

Speaker 4 where those claims came from.

Speaker 4 However, from what I've seen in the cartel with my time at work in Mexico, it's absolutely within the realm of possibility or plausibility of what they would do if something's affecting their money supply.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 Did we, under the Biden administration, I always thought we were just enriching these cartels and we were aiding and embedding

Speaker 5 not just drug trafficking, but human trafficking.

Speaker 4 Well, we were, but my problem with that, and Biden, to be honest, I did not vote for Biden at all, obviously.

Speaker 4 It's the same government that's been allowing this forever. And so

Speaker 4 my caveat would be, even though there are a lot of things about the Trump administration that I do support.

Speaker 4 The same government has been allowing this to go on forever. And I would like to see not a regime change, an administration change.

Speaker 4 I I would like to see a policy change to where we're not allowing this to

Speaker 4 be detrimental in both countries. Because at the end of the day, Mexicans and Americans have lived on this continent for centuries now.

Speaker 4 And we have to find a way to where something works for both countries, either whether it's guest worker programs, more opportunity to where people are not involving themselves in cars.

Speaker 4 I'm not an economic major in school. I still have school.

Speaker 4 But there has to be a smarter way to confront this problem than with bullets. And with your

Speaker 4 cartels claiming bounties on American officials, I do agree that that probably is in place.

Speaker 4 But I mean, if we've gotten to the level

Speaker 4 to where cartels are actively threatening sitting

Speaker 4 people in administration and the DHS, I mean, that's problematic all by itself. That's something else needs to be done.
I'm not.

Speaker 5 Do you think the government going after the drug boats? I mean, I think there's a lot to that story, but is that sending a message to anybody in Mexico at all?

Speaker 4 Not really. I don't think it is.
I just, the drug boats, are there drug boats that they're taking out? Probably. Are there innocent civilians being killed in that too?

Speaker 4 I probably think that's also the case because otherwise they would not have released the people that they had captured to Ecuador. They wouldn't have released people that were trafficking drugs.

Speaker 4 And so to protect everyone in society, I think that due process is important, that charges should be levied, that innocent civilians shouldn't be being killed.

Speaker 4 Because if they weren't drug trafficking, why did they release those people to Ecuador? The other people that they've gotten,

Speaker 4 I think, probably were trafficking drugs, but they still weren't. They're dang court.
And I think that we need to be clear about that, what type of people we want to be.

Speaker 4 I do believe in justice.

Speaker 4 Is it sending a message to Cartel? The cartel is going to do what they want to do, regardless of whether they have people that are killed every day, Glenn, and they still conduct business.

Speaker 4 So, no, it's not a deterrent.

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Speaker 5 So, I listened to the first broadcast or the podcast that you were on, and it was really dark. And

Speaker 5 I had a really hard time getting through it because it was so very dark. But I thought,

Speaker 5 I have heard of these things, but I don't think I have ever seen a first-hand witness that has come

Speaker 5 forward.

Speaker 5 Are you the first, first-hand witness to some of this evil stuff that you've seen that you know of?

Speaker 4 There are two other individuals, and I had a call with one of them the other day. I'll mention them by name because you asked.
One is Ed Calderon.

Speaker 4 He provided, I've been a detractor of his for quite a while because he hasn't come out. I sent you all my paycheck stubs, all my stuff to substantiate who I am.

Speaker 4 He gave me his CWEEP, which is his Claviunco Identificator de Policiaca, which is his police identification number. I have not taken the time to verify that.

Speaker 4 And there's another person by the name of Gaffe 423 who was,

Speaker 4 our instructors were special forces from the military. They're from the Army.

Speaker 4 And so he is someone that I would have worked with in the past, not him personally, but brethren of his.

Speaker 4 And they've come out. And my problem with them is they don't corroborate or substantiate who they are to the level that I have.
I'm not saying I'm more legit than they are.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying that they haven't corroborated or substantiated who they are. But Ed Calderon has, to a very great extent, detailed things that have gone on at Tijuana.

Speaker 4 And I have looked into a lot of it.

Speaker 4 And so I'm not the only one. There are a couple other ones of us.

Speaker 4 Ed, I have probably a 95 or 98% believing that he is legitimate, valid Mexican law enforcement. I think that he was doing intelligence, which is a lot different than what I was doing.

Speaker 4 I was tactically operating. It was probably intelligence gathering and operating.
So it's different, and it's in different sections of the country.

Speaker 4 But I do believe that a lot of what he says is true, correct.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 we were talking about solutions.

Speaker 5 Spain is probably the best

Speaker 5 success story on drugs that I've seen in world history.

Speaker 5 they were horrifically overrun with drug problems. I mean, large,

Speaker 5 you know, I can't say not over 10%, but a large percentage for heroin.

Speaker 5 People addicted on heroin, living in the streets. The whole thing was coming undone.
Their parks were a mess.

Speaker 5 They were making everything just, the government was doing what we do, just giving things away and making it easy.

Speaker 5 And then they got hard on it, or it was maybe it was hard first, and then they went really soft.

Speaker 5 But what they finally did was just take all of the money from the drug war that they were doing and then just building programs uh for people to get off of drugs and then they legalized all the drugs and the crime went away the uh the number of people addicted to drugs went way way down and spain weathered something that i i would have said you wouldn't have been able to recover from

Speaker 5 Is that the answer? I agree.

Speaker 4 I think that it is.

Speaker 4 And most of my audience on my little channel, my channel is nothing like yours, but I have a channel and I do get comments.

Speaker 4 And it's not a popular opinion because people make their livelihoods out of fighting the drug war to the tune of billions, if not trillions of dollars

Speaker 4 in many countries. And so people.

Speaker 4 Legalizing drugs isn't popular. I think a lot of things do happen when you legalize drugs.

Speaker 4 Initially, there is a spike in drug use, and there is an ugly problem with addiction, homelessness, and other things. But

Speaker 4 I think that that's the better way to go because if you want to confront anything, the first thing a government does when they want to attack something is try to cut the purse strings to anything

Speaker 4 that are against divorce court, they go after

Speaker 4 child support and everything. Business law, they're going after the billion-dollar findings against companies.

Speaker 4 You have to attack the profit margin at at some point if you want to get serious about fighting drugs in any capacity.

Speaker 4 Given that, there are people that want to do drugs. And if you legalize it, you take away the allure of, oh, and we've seen it already with the marijuana.

Speaker 4 I live in Portland right now, and previously I was living in San Francisco. And I've seen the needle exchanges driving up Taylor Street and 6th Street in San Francisco.
I'm completely against it.

Speaker 4 And they cited as cutting down on AIDS and HIV.

Speaker 4 But you have to do something or incorporate other ideas to fight this, Glenn, because what we've been doing for the last 20 years or even since just say no with Nancy Reagan, I watched that and I supported Reagan when I turned 18.

Speaker 4 It was the year he got voted in the office. So I mean, I am very

Speaker 4 biblically minded. I do agree with trying to make sure that we fulfill what our role is as Christians.

Speaker 4 But at the the same time, if you have an approach to something that is problematic and has been for decades and it's still existing,

Speaker 4 there's a problem with your solution.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You need to find a different approach.

Speaker 5 I worry about

Speaker 5 what I even put into my own head, watching TV or whatever, because it affects you.

Speaker 5 And I can't imagine how, I mean,

Speaker 5 you have seen people who cut hearts out and eat them, cannibalism. You have seen some of the worst of the worst things man can see.

Speaker 5 And you have been trying to snuff out

Speaker 5 a religion that is clearly devil worship.

Speaker 4 Not just me. There's

Speaker 4 tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of honorable Mexican people that suit up every day and put on their uniform and serve the Republic of Mexico and

Speaker 4 by and large serve our Republic here in the United States trying to prevent that from ever getting here to begin with. And they're sold short.

Speaker 4 A lot of us have seen that stuff.

Speaker 4 It's the price of trying to make society a better place. It's just.

Speaker 5 How have you dealt with that?

Speaker 5 I mean, spiritually, that must have scarred you.

Speaker 4 When I was still working, I had a couple different nights where I had woken up trying to break my wife's neck in his sleep. I was fighting somebody from the cartel in my sleep.
Another time

Speaker 4 talking during my sleep, and I would have

Speaker 4 speak in my sleep, and my wife would overhear me about stuff that was going on at work.

Speaker 4 I don't deal with that anymore. Some people say I have PTSD.
I don't think I do at all. Not in the slightest.

Speaker 4 It's not something that's ever going to go away. There are things that I remember, but also at the same time, I balance that with all the beautiful things that I've seen.

Speaker 4 We're trying to help people stay busy. I'm pursuing a degree in law right now because I would like to help people in this country that don't have access to it.

Speaker 4 And I feel like a loser kind of because I have all these lofty goals and visions, but I'm not there yet. And you have to just stay on top of it.

Speaker 4 I look at you and I just think that you're like the pinnacle of success because the audience and the people that you're allowed to reach is amazing. I think it's awesome.

Speaker 4 And I want to be able to help people on a personal level.

Speaker 4 So you asked how I deal with all of that by trying to be productive and positive on this earth because that's one of the reasons why God put me here.

Speaker 5 I have to tell you, just surviving your life, you're the biggest success story I know.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 you have started out, there's disadvantaged, and then there's you.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 5 And then the way you have turned all of it into something good all the way along and have survived it and now going to law school,

Speaker 5 I think you're wildly successful.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm not in law school yet. I have to complete a degree in this country because my degree in Mexico doesn't work.
So I'm currently going to school for computer science.

Speaker 4 to get a degree in programming. There's four states here in the United States, Glenn.

Speaker 4 Vermont, Washington, Oregon, and California that will allow you to work for a lawyer and study them in lieu of going to law school.

Speaker 4 That's the course that I'm pursuing because if I try to hang out a four-year degree and then another few years in law school, it's going to take too long. But that's the plan that I'm on.

Speaker 4 But I'm not, I have a blessed life, Glenn. There's so many people that have rougher lives that didn't have parents that care for them.
My parents did finally get me back and cared for me.

Speaker 4 I appreciate the compliment, but I mean, there's a lot of people out there that suffer much more than I have. I want to make that clear.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I really appreciate our conversation. We'll be watching you and tracking you and praying for you as well.
Best of luck. Thank you so much for sharing and thanks for all you've done.

Speaker 4 Glenn, thank you for having me on your show. I appreciate it.
And I hope that it's been interesting. And anytime you want to reach out, feel free.
You got it.

Speaker 5 God bless.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 4 You too, sir. Thank you.

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