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Speaker 2 Well, I thought I'd start with the scariest thing since it's Halloween. What is the scariest thing we could talk about? I don't know.
How about the dissolution of the

Speaker 2 entire conservative movement? How about that? How about that one? This is something I don't want to talk about. I haven't wanted to talk about.
Been talking about it behind the scenes

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 I think it's something that, you know, I was hoping to be able to help solve behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 But a lot of people in this movement don't want to talk about it. Some people in this movement, that's all they want to talk about.

Speaker 2 And if you don't live online, you don't even know what I'm talking about when I say I don't want to talk about something that I'm going to talk about but mommy and daddy are fighting and we're going to talk about that in 60 seconds first

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Speaker 2 How many?

Speaker 2 Well, mommy and daddy are fighting. And when mommy and daddy are fighting, as always, it should happen in private.

Speaker 2 And it has been happening in private. These conversations have been going on with people who are, you know,

Speaker 2 people like me and other leaders, if you will.

Speaker 2 We have been having many, multiple conversations on how's the best way to handle this because you don't want mommy and daddy fighting in front of the kids because then the kids have to decide whose side am I on?

Speaker 2 Am I a mommy's side or daddy's side? Mommy and daddy are fighting. The whole family is going to break up and then everything is destroyed.

Speaker 2 But since we're having a fight now on social media, the worst place to have a fight, now that we're having a fight on social media,

Speaker 2 we, for the kids' sake and for the family's sake, sake mommy and daddy have to figure this out in front of the kids so they know we love each other and we can still stick together

Speaker 2 so let me start here because there's so many sides to this argument but let me get into it this is all revolving around anti-semitism what that even means zionism what that means Tucker Carlson is either on our side or not on our side oh god

Speaker 2 so let me start here i really do not like seeing people ripped apart,

Speaker 2 like Tucker Carlson

Speaker 2 ripped apart for bringing a guy on who says, I love Stalin. Oh, do you? You love Stalin.
Okay, let me talk to you for an hour. I think that's ridiculous, but that's not my show.
That's his show.

Speaker 2 He can bring on whoever he wants to bring on. I do not like people trying to cancel people.

Speaker 2 You know, if you don't like it, don't watch it. That is the solution.

Speaker 2 I really despise the idea of people mounting campaigns to, quote, drive someone out of the movement. No,

Speaker 2 no, you don't do that.

Speaker 2 And the same thing could be said now on the other side with the Heritage Foundation for saying they won't distance themselves from Tucker. So now their funding all has to stop.

Speaker 2 And people are starting to say we should cancel our funding to the Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 2 I mean, I got to tell you, if I'm on the left, there is nothing that I would want more than to pour fuel on this fire. We're destroying ourselves.

Speaker 2 I also don't like it when people start ripping other, invite them on the show. Give you the example.
And I love Tucker.

Speaker 2 But, you know, inviting Ted Cruz on, I thought I felt, and I could be wrong, I haven't talked to Tucker about this one, but I felt that that was setting him up.

Speaker 2 I never invite somebody on the show to then rip them apart. Okay.
I just, I don't do that.

Speaker 2 I didn't like it when he did that. I wouldn't do it and I wouldn't do it to Tucker and I just don't like it.

Speaker 2 I also have a problem with anybody who says,

Speaker 2 who say they despise Christian Zionists and mainly because I don't even know what your definition of a Christian Zionist is.

Speaker 2 What is that?

Speaker 2 It's got to stop.

Speaker 2 We are mixing the stream. Remember in Ghostbusters, don't cross the streams.
We're crossing the streams all the time. We're crossing them from political to personal to religious.

Speaker 2 Nobody even knows what the hell we're even talking about anymore.

Speaker 2 But something dark is happening in our country. So I want to try to take this apart piece by piece.

Speaker 2 Let's start with the rise of anti-Semitism, because that's not the only dark thing that is rising in our country. That alone should be enough to chill everybody's blood.

Speaker 2 The other part of it is this loss of a moral compass.

Speaker 2 And these stories all tie together. Debate over Tucker and his guests, the Heritage Foundation, their refusal to cancel him, so now they're the enemy, and the condemnation of the Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 2 Does anybody notice that we find ourselves in exactly the same place, circling the same idea over and over and over again? Different views, different words, but the same problem circling the drain.

Speaker 2 Okay? Same problem, same solution.

Speaker 2 What do we do with speech we find reprehensible?

Speaker 2 It seems, some people think it's really, really easy, you know? It seems to be very easy on the left.

Speaker 2 If it's a conservative that says something that you don't like or is politically, you know, advantageous to you to stand up against, you stand up against and then you get them canceled. Okay.

Speaker 2 You do everything you can to cancel them. If it's somebody on your side that you like and they say exactly the same thing, you just make excuses or exceptions.
You know,

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 it's easy on the left to do that. That's simple.

Speaker 2 But now we find ourselves split between these two camps. And here are the two camps.

Speaker 2 Those who believe silencing is the cure for evil ideas, and those who fear that silencing is a bigger evil in itself. Okay.

Speaker 2 Both sides are missing something here. So I just want to talk about freedom of speech here for a second.
There's so many other things that are part of this, but freedom of speech.

Speaker 2 I think both sides are missing something. They're both staring at the same fire, but from opposite sides of the flame.
So let's break it down into two parts.

Speaker 2 You should be able, and I learned this from Stu, you should be able to change the topic or the words of any statement

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 the outcome, your feeling on it should be exactly the same, okay? Because it should be the principles that we're arguing here. Let me give you an example.

Speaker 2 The vaccine is dangerous and you can't force me to take it. Should you be canceled on that? Trump is a Nazi.
Should you be canceled on that? Men cannot have babies. Should you be canceled?

Speaker 2 I love Stalin. Should you be canceled?

Speaker 2 No matter what is said on either side, we can condemn, we can speak out and debate, but the best way to make bad ideas grow is to suppress them.

Speaker 2 If you're a parent, you might get this. You raise your kids, and

Speaker 2 once they hit teenage years, you'll start to understand this. The more mom and dad are against something, the more mom and dad hate something, oh, the more likely it is that your kids just

Speaker 2 turn the knife in you. Because that's what teenagers do.
They'll embrace it.

Speaker 2 But when your children are trying to provoke you for attention, the last thing you do is give them the win they're looking for. You just don't do that.

Speaker 2 You remember in Star Wars,

Speaker 2 yes, young skywalker.

Speaker 2 Take it, strike me down.

Speaker 2 Why did he say that? Because he knew, the emperor knew, you strike me down, I am more powerful than ever. So,

Speaker 2 stop with cancel culture.

Speaker 2 Two, let me me make something else really clear. Anti-Semitism is evil.

Speaker 2 Now, how do you define that? How do you define Zionism?

Speaker 2 I don't know. Everybody seems to have their own definition here.

Speaker 2 Being against Israel's policies, Israel's war, the way Israel or any country handles itself in foreign relations, that's not anti-Semitism. You know,

Speaker 2 let me take Great Britain. Okay.

Speaker 2 I disagree with the British government the way they are silencing people you know that 4,000 people last year have been arrested for speech crimes I think Russia arrested less than 200 people last year 4,000 in England oh that's a problem you want to talk about fascism

Speaker 2 but if I'm against this and vehemently against this

Speaker 2 And if I say, you know, their politicians are destroying England, that the Islamification of Great Britain is almost complete, and

Speaker 2 the silence, the official silence from the king and from all of the politicians is evil.

Speaker 2 Does that make me anti-British?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 I'm not anti-British. I have a problem with their policies.
I find their policies really stupid. Okay.

Speaker 2 Anti-Semitism means I have an unreasonable view that all the Jews are in some global plot. So let me bring it about just changing a couple of words, and you'll see it quickly.

Speaker 2 All the Jews, you know all the Jews? All the Jews, they control the whole world. Yeah, they do.
They're all in on some evil plot. Okay.
Let me just change one word.

Speaker 2 Let me just change it from Jew to, I don't know, black. whites,

Speaker 2 blue-eyed, blonde-haired people. You know,

Speaker 2 all blue-eyed people, they're all in a plot. They're all in on it together, and they control the world.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's just stupid. That's just stupid.

Speaker 2 Anti-Semitism is the ancient hatred that has burned through every civilization that ever thought it was enlightened. Every time, and it starts the same way.

Speaker 2 And in the last 200 years, it's always started with Marxism. What a surprise.
Well, that's, you know, Marx was a Jew. He hated the jews oh my gosh

Speaker 2 starts the same way whispers scapegoats and the lie that one one group of people those blacks all the whites

Speaker 2 all the blue-eyed people all the jews they control the world you know

Speaker 2 what is how does that end it always ends in blood always and not just jewish blood i mean that's first but it ends in the blood of of any nation that embraces that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 Every time it destroys the nation.

Speaker 2 Now, clarity is what we need. So let's talk about clarity.
You can disagree with a government, the government of Israel, without being an anti-Semitist. You can question, or an anti-Semite.

Speaker 2 You can question foreign aid. You can question military policy.
You can question the leadership. without hatred for the Jews.

Speaker 2 The inability to distinguish between hatred of a people and criticism of a government is part of what is poisoning our national discourse. Okay?

Speaker 2 There's no problem. Question Israel all you want.

Speaker 2 I do.

Speaker 2 If America stands for anything, it stands for the right to speak freely and to question power, any power, without being condemned a heretic.

Speaker 2 That's what we do and do best. That's what we should do.

Speaker 2 Now, on that, seeing I brought the word heretic up, don't tell me that my support, because I'm a Christian and I believe it, and you don't have to be a Christian, and you don't have to believe what I believe, but don't tell me that my support of the Jewish people to exist in their ancient homeland, which is how I define Zionism, is heresy.

Speaker 2 How dare you?

Speaker 2 I mean, we don't even agree probably on the definition of Zionism. Maybe we should do that, but stop calling my faith and my understanding of my faith heretical Christianity.
And that's a quote.

Speaker 2 But we could have that conversation. We should have that conversation between civilized people.
Let's have that discussion. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 Here's what I mean. Me and everybody else, we must stop dealing in absolutes.
You're either for us or against us. You know who thinks like that? Again, let me go back to Star Wars.
Siths.

Speaker 2 That's Sith thinking

Speaker 2 that first leads to the silencing of voices and then in extreme cases the execution of those voices that just won't be silenced

Speaker 2 look our founders were really really clear on this this is why the first amendment our founders understood all of this they knew that liberty doesn't die with a bang it dies with a hush when voices are silenced even the ugly ones, we begin the descent.

Speaker 2 We circle the drain and then go down. Jefferson wrote, the error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
What the hell does that mean?

Speaker 2 It means as long as there's a free man that is willing and able to say, that's a dumb idea,

Speaker 2 leave it alone. Leave it alone.
An error of opinion, you're thinking.

Speaker 2 Let just free people have that debate and it will solve itself. They also knew that liberty liberty without moral restraint curdles into chaos.

Speaker 2 Paul wrote, everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. Just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean it's morally right to say it.

Speaker 2 Have some restraint.

Speaker 2 Well, but that comes with... That comes with responsibility, which we don't have.
That comes with morality, which we're losing day by day. Comes with religion.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's what, I'm sorry, George Washington said, religion and morality are the

Speaker 2 twin pillars of political prosperity.

Speaker 2 You mean he wanted everybody to be religious? No, he didn't want everybody to be religious. He meant that a republic cannot survive without shared virtue.

Speaker 2 The moral foundation of our society. The idea that every man is created equal, that rights come from God, not government, that springs directly from, dare I say it, our Judeo-Christian values.

Speaker 2 You don't have to be religious to understand that or to cherish it. But if that pillar falls, so does the Republic.

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Speaker 2 let me talk here about Islamic radicalism.

Speaker 2 This is what is filling the vacuum left by moral cowardice. We know what's right.
Sharia law is not right. Honor killings is not right.
But that's not happening.

Speaker 2 That's not happening anywhere in the world. Yes, it is.
It is.

Speaker 2 They're not taking over. How dare you? That's Islamophobia.
No, it's not. Cathedrals are being burnt all over Europe, in Canada, in America.
Churches are burning. Cathedrals have gone silent.

Speaker 2 Mosques are multiplying where bells once rang. Okay?

Speaker 2 And freedom is traded for fear.

Speaker 2 And if you think that we're immune, we're not immune. You can see it growing in our own cities, New York, Minneapolis, Dearborn.
Okay?

Speaker 2 Why is it that

Speaker 2 Islam, why are we debating about Israel when we are facing Islam like we are?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 you don't have to like Israel, but one of these things is not like the other. One of these is an actual dire threat, and nobody's looking at it because we're too busy fighting each other.

Speaker 2 What the hell is wrong with us?

Speaker 2 And by the way, at the same time, the Islamicists are gathering strength, the globalists, the socialist ideologies, they are eroding our sovereignty and faith at the same time.

Speaker 2 The communists of old used class.

Speaker 2 Today's radicals are using identity, race, gender, and faith as the new dividing lines. Hmm.

Speaker 2 But the goal is exactly the same. destroy the moral glue that holds this republic together that binds a free people

Speaker 2 if you do that then power can be seized by those who are promising safety in exchange for silence. This is why I, and I know you do too, rebuke the idea.
You don't cancel people.

Speaker 2 You can make a personal choice, but we don't cancel people. We don't drive them out of the public square.
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Speaker 2 Right after 9-11, I pissed so many people off in my own audience. Maybe you were part of it.
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Remember, he was calling them like, they're so brave. Our soldiers are cowards.
They never fly a plane into a building. No, they're insane.

Speaker 2 We're not insane.

Speaker 2 But I stood for him. Why?

Speaker 2 Because the principle of freedom of speech only counts when it hurts to defend it. More in a minute.
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Speaker 2 Let me wrap this conversation up.

Speaker 2 This fight between mommy and daddy in public, which is always a bad idea. When mom and dad fight in public, when leaders fight in public, the children get scared.

Speaker 2 Not to say that America is full of children, but I remind you, what is it? 60%, 56% can't read past a sixth grade level, so maybe.

Speaker 2 But we can have these conversations, for instance, we can have these conversations here because there's time to discuss it you don't when I say you know the children get scared it's when you're seeing people rip each other apart on X

Speaker 2 that's not the place to have discussions

Speaker 2 that is just it's a it's it's

Speaker 2 you're gasoline and that is the fire that's not the way to have have it now I want to make this really clear there is a place for line holders I really am I'm encouraged by so many people who say, no,

Speaker 2 we cannot keep expanding the tent because if everyone can get under the tent, why do we even have a tent? You're exactly right. Not everybody, you know, I really like Stalin.

Speaker 2 You're not in the tent, man. You're not in the tent.

Speaker 2 You're just not in the tent. But you're really not worth my time because you're just not.

Speaker 2 However,

Speaker 2 somebody like Tucker, well, he's being exposed on Tucker Carlson. Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 The best way to disinfect is sunlight. Now,

Speaker 2 I would have asked different questions. I would have handled that entirely different, but I wouldn't have had him on in the first place as a guest.

Speaker 2 So, does Tucker, do we have to drive Tucker out of the tent? Well, no, I don't think so, but let me just say this.

Speaker 2 Do you really think that Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk for that matter, is the kind of person that takes public pressure and is like, okay, I got a cave?

Speaker 2 He doesn't care. He doesn't care.
First of all, he's extraordinarily wealthy.

Speaker 2 He's not doing it for the money.

Speaker 2 He's doing it because he enjoys it and he thinks he's doing the right thing. The last, the last thing, he will only harden his position to come in and say, you know what? We're going to cancel you.

Speaker 2 Tucker Tucker Carls is going to go,

Speaker 2 fine.

Speaker 2 Okay. That's going to be his response, as it would be my response.
You know, as Charlie said, you know, oh, fine. Then I'm going to find the most crazy person and I'm going to put them

Speaker 2 on the stage at TPUSA. Why did he say that? What he was saying was, don't threaten me.
Because I would say that. Somebody comes to me and says, you can't have that guest on.

Speaker 2 You can't have that guest on because, you you know, they're anti-Semitic. Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'm going to make sure you pay in hell and I'm going to cancel you and I'm going to make sure everybody cancels you. I would say to that person, you go ahead and try it.

Speaker 2 My next guest will be Adolf freaking Hitler. Okay.
I would say that out of rage.

Speaker 2 I would say that. It's also not bookable, right? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 But I would say that out of rage to make the point. Don't threaten me.
Do not threaten me. I do not respond that way

Speaker 2 and and and so wouldn't it be better to have conversations privately among friends yes

Speaker 2 is that a line holder well yes just a different kind of line holder and also it we cannot survive in a world where there's just lineholders there also has to be coalition builders

Speaker 2 Those are the two, coalition builders and lineholders. Those two, each of them, equally as important.

Speaker 2 And those two are going to argue from time to time, get them out of the tent. No, no, that's not the way to handle it.

Speaker 2 And sometimes the

Speaker 2 coalition builder will go, you know, what are you doing? This person said they love Stalin. I think we have to escort them to the door.
Okay? Got it. Got it.
They're both really important.

Speaker 2 Everybody has their own piece of of the puzzle. Can we stop telling everyone they have to do it my way or the highway? Can we stop forcing everyone to think alike? This is what we're against.

Speaker 2 At least I thought this is what we were against.

Speaker 2 If we become everything we despise to win, we've already lost. We've already lost.

Speaker 2 So what do you have? So here's what I would like to suggest we do. First of all, we stand together shoulder to shoulder with anyone who believes in the Bill of Rights because that's our unum.

Speaker 2 That's what brought us together in the first place. Do you believe all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights? Do you believe in the First Amendment?

Speaker 2 Yes, even the Third Amendment. Do you believe in all of the amendments? Let's just take the top 10.

Speaker 2 Because I really don't agree with the income tax one.

Speaker 2 And I don't

Speaker 2 I don't care if you're Jewish, Christian, Muslim, atheist, Republican, Democrat, Independent. I don't care if you're a one-legged lesbian or a three-legged heterosexual.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 Do you stand for freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, equal justice under the law? If you do, you're my ally. You're my friend.
And we're not going to agree on everything.

Speaker 2 After all, you have three legs and you think that's pretty cool. But that doesn't,

Speaker 2 we don't have to agree on everything.

Speaker 2 In fact, I will fight against bad ideas just as strongly

Speaker 2 with somebody I'm standing next to when that's the next topic to take on.

Speaker 2 We don't solve anything. We make things worse.
We make things worse. You don't defeat hate by hiding it.
You defeat it by exposing it and having real conversations, not threats.

Speaker 2 Next thing we have to to do is put America first, okay? And not in arrogance, but in gratitude.

Speaker 2 Isn't this our whole idea? That's what both sides are saying. Yes, America first, America first.
I can appreciate Israel.

Speaker 2 I can love its history. I can love its meaning to the world in faith.
I can love its people. I can believe they have a right to live and survive.
and love America more. I can do both of those things.

Speaker 2 It used to be called walking and chewing gum at the same time. I can defend her right to exist and still insist that our foreign policy serves our people first.

Speaker 2 And any foreign policy that serves another nation first and doesn't serve us is not a policy we should engage in. Equal justice applied evenly, that's the mark of a mature nation.

Speaker 2 And I think that's what, in some ways, that's what

Speaker 2 everybody's fighting for. There's only a few bad actors here.
I think everybody is fighting for that idea.

Speaker 2 But that comes from our unum, our oneness, not uniformity of thought, but in unity of principle.

Speaker 2 America's unum, we hold these truths to be self-evident. That was never sameness.
In fact, it was the exact opposite of that.

Speaker 2 It was a covenant that we are very different people, but we have one thing in common. We're all equal.
And we can disagree fiercely. We'll argue loudly.
We'll live freely. But we're going to remain

Speaker 2 one people because of that principle that we're all created equal.

Speaker 2 In my childhood, and this is not popular anymore, I don't hear it anymore. And I wish it would become the phrase, I hate it.
I got so sick. My father said this once, he said it a billion times.

Speaker 2 And it was like, you know, you'd stand, when your father would say something and you were little and you heard it a billion times and he wasn't looking, you'd be like,

Speaker 2 because you knew exactly what he was saying. It was just rote, right?

Speaker 2 I just have to tell you, I so disagree with that person. I disagree with almost everything that they just said, but I will fight to my death for his right to say it.

Speaker 2 My father said that once, he said it a billion times. Everybody I knew back then was always saying that.

Speaker 2 Why don't we believe that anymore?

Speaker 2 That's who we are. We're at war, not just with terrorists or ideologues

Speaker 2 we are at war with ancient forces ancient evils that always rise the same thing happens over and over again in history faith and freedom when they lose their anchor

Speaker 2 this is what happens the islamists the communists the anarchists the globalists different names but the same impulse erase the individual differences erase god and rebuild the world in man's image.

Speaker 2 But history tells us another story, and this is the one we should concentrate on.

Speaker 2 Every time darkness gathers, light rises.

Speaker 2 The question is, how long is it going to take us before we realize that light is inside of all of us and that our job is to magnify that light? Will we be that light again?

Speaker 2 people once grounded in truth, once again, grounded in truth and courage and compassion. I really don't care if you worship on Saturday or Sunday or Friday or worship at all.
I really don't.

Speaker 2 What matters to me is that you believe in liberty rooted in some sort of moral law. And in America, that moral law is Judeo-Christian values.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 that, not politics, not personalities, that's what built this nation. That's what will save this nation.
And if we remember that, if we refuse to silence or hate,

Speaker 2 and when I say silence, silence your own self or others. We stand together as free people who still believe in the miracle of America, then no force on earth or heaven itself can destroy us.

Speaker 2 I really do, I think, I think I hear all sides on this. Well, not the, I love Stalin, but the rest of these sides.
I really think I hear and I have real compassion for

Speaker 2 and I don't know why we're arguing all of these things because all of us know the worst thing that could happen

Speaker 2 is for mommy and daddy to fight

Speaker 2 because then everyone in the family has to pick sides and then we break the family up and it's never the same.

Speaker 2 I will not remain silent

Speaker 2 or excuse it.

Speaker 2 Hatred. I won't do it.

Speaker 2 But I will not

Speaker 2 silence others. I won't.

Speaker 2 It's my right, and it's your right to disagree with me. And we can have that conversation.

Speaker 2 But I will always be on the side of anyone who believes, deeply believes, not just lip service, deeply believes in the Bill of Rights, because that's what makes us different from the rest of the world.

Speaker 2 That is what has made us American the whole time.

Speaker 2 I started this hour with,

Speaker 2 it's something I don't want to even talk about. And I don't want to talk about it because I know everything I said today is going to be sliced and diced and put through the internet.

Speaker 2 And there will be somebody that now takes what I say and, you know, and put words in my mouth or misconstrue it or I didn't state it exactly right because I only had so many minutes to do and I'm human

Speaker 2 and I missed something that I should have said and so they will mark me for death.

Speaker 2 All I want, everything I do,

Speaker 2 Even when I talk about the monkeys in

Speaker 2 Mississippi that escaped, yesterday we screwed off for 20 minutes for monkeys. You know why I did that? Because I think you've had enough.
I think there are times where we just have to laugh.

Speaker 2 Why aren't you talking about the things that are important? Because I believe that laughter is also important.

Speaker 2 Everything I do on this show, everything

Speaker 2 I do, has one purpose.

Speaker 2 Save the republic.

Speaker 2 Save the republic.

Speaker 2 And I'm not going to be coerced into talking about something or not talking about something.

Speaker 2 I will tell you what I believe. It is then your choice to listen, to reason with me, to change my mind, to argue with me, but in a civil way, with respect for one another,

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Speaker 2 I have, and it's vital that America hears it. Another monkey outbreak.
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I'm already in a mood. Okay, let me tell you about there is a monkey update, and I think this is important.

Speaker 2 I think this is the news America needs.

Speaker 2 You know, the escape monkeys, it's only getting weirder.

Speaker 2 And we'll start there and all of the other news, including Kamala Harris, who was shocked she didn't win.

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Speaker 2 Welcome to the program. Glad you're here.
Let's say hello to Jason Buttrell, who is our chief researcher. Hello, Glenn.
How are you? Hello. Good.

Speaker 2 Jason, how are you?

Speaker 2 I mean, I was fine until I saw this monkey again, and now I'm just starting to get kind of worried. It's a little frightening, isn't it? Stu? Stu is here.
Terrifying.

Speaker 2 Terrifying. A little terrifying.

Speaker 2 This time it's in Dallas, Texas. Yeah.
Oh, gosh. Yeah.
It's spreading

Speaker 2 uh let me just let me just give you the story plano texas shoppers at a spirit halloween store in texas were shocked to see a live monkey wearing a diaper swinging from the rafters

Speaker 2 it happened monday night at the spirit halloween store at 15th street in plano Plano police officers confirmed its officers were dispatched for a call concerning a pet monkey that had gotten away.

Speaker 2 The officer

Speaker 2 There have been seven monkeys on the loose this week in America. Well, actually, it's not even, I mean, well, it's 21 in that initial batch.
Was it?

Speaker 2 Now they're saying it was 21, which was not the number we got initially. No, it was like seven.
And then they said, you know, many of them were captured. A few got, now there were six.

Speaker 2 Now there were six that got away. Then there was now three.
What? I believe there's now three that got away in Mississippi. I thought there was one yesterday they made it a bit.
I was told it was one.

Speaker 2 The monkey cover-up just doesn't end.

Speaker 2 Anyway, let me get back to Plano because this one is very could this be the same monkey? Like one of the three just made it up. That's a good theory.
Well, he had to stop and get a diaper.

Speaker 2 He had to stop and get a diaper if he did.

Speaker 2 A scene was captured on video. It happened while the person with the video was shopping for Halloween costumes.

Speaker 2 Store employee said the monkey had gotten spooked by one of the store's animatronic decorations. Well, of course monkeys are good.
Monkeys are people too. Of course, they're going to get spooked.

Speaker 2 You know, you bring your kid in, you know, and they're wearing a diaper and you stick them up next to the, you know, audio animatronic

Speaker 2 in a Halloween store. Of course, I'm going to jump too.
Poor monkey.

Speaker 2 Ultimately, the monkey's owner was able to entice it with a cookie to regain control. So it looks like we're no longer in DEF CON 1 on monkey patrol.

Speaker 2 The cookie did entice the monkey to come back to the owner. The police didn't have to shoot it, which was very, very good.
Neither the monkey nor anyone else was hurt.

Speaker 2 But that's what they'd have you believe.

Speaker 2 I was curious about the legality of this, Glenn, because

Speaker 2 is it seriously legal to own a monkey?

Speaker 2 You can just buy one and just have it. hanging out in your house.
Yes. And apparently, well, so okay, so apparently Texas is a little bit of a free-for-all.
So they leave it like a city. Texas cities.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Texas has the

Speaker 2 is the state with the most private zoos in the world. We have more private zoos, not like taking, you know, tickets, people that just have zoos at their house.

Speaker 2 Texas has more private zoos than any other place on earth.

Speaker 2 Is there competition on this? Is there a countdown I can look at?

Speaker 2 I don't think so. I don't think so.
I think it's like, who has more?

Speaker 2 It's Texas.

Speaker 2 Who's number two? Nobody. It's just Texas.

Speaker 2 Where was Tiger King? Well, that was Oklahoma, right? Yeah, that was Oklahoma, yeah. So maybe per capita, Oklahoma would be in that competition, but I don't think there's much more outside of that.

Speaker 2 And it's all just because people were like, you know, I want some of those elephants. Why can't I have an elephant? Why can't I have an elephant? That's a great question.
It's a great Texas question.

Speaker 2 I want an elephant. Why can't I have an elephant? Ross Perot's son, because when I moved to Texas, we live right around Ross Perot, and he had a big ranch out by where we live.

Speaker 2 And he had buffalo that was the greatest thing ever. You'd see the buffalo running on the side of the highway.

Speaker 2 I mean, behind a fence, but they were running on the side of the highway, and it was just so beautiful and so Texan.

Speaker 2 And then you would come around the corner, and there'd be like

Speaker 2 a camel. You're like, what the?

Speaker 2 All this buffalo and then a camel. Why a camel? Ross told me

Speaker 2 that he bought it for his father, Ross Perot Sr.

Speaker 2 He bought it for his father for Christmas. And

Speaker 2 he said to his dad, what do you get the man who has literally everything?

Speaker 2 Dad, you don't have a camel. That's a good point.
I didn't have a camel.

Speaker 2 Now he has a camel. Now he has a camel.
He went out with a camel. He went out with a camel.

Speaker 2 I did a little bit of research on this, Glenn.

Speaker 2 And so if you're in Plano or most cities in Texas, you can have small monkeys, pretty much any small monkey, and there's nothing that you really have to do. But it goes even crazier.

Speaker 2 So you can actually, if you wanted to, have a gorilla, I guess, sitting in a lazy boy hanging out at your house if you wanted to, but you have to be committed. I mean, you, I mean, committed.

Speaker 2 Wait a minute. What do you mean? Like, like you're insane? You shouldn't have a gorilla in your lazy boy? Okay.
So yeah, that's a very important part of it, I think, which should be analyzed.

Speaker 2 But you need to have a registration, a special registration, a $100,000 liability insurance policy, a secure enclosure, and you have to have random annual inspections to make sure that your gorilla is properly, I guess, taken care of while he's sitting in this lazy boy chilling in your living room.

Speaker 2 Can you believe that

Speaker 2 the state actually had to be put through that exercise? Okay, if somebody wants a gorilla, what do we do?

Speaker 2 What's the line?

Speaker 2 What's the line here? And that there's somebody who wants a gorilla. Do you remember the woman who had the chimpanzee up in, or the guy who had the chimpanzee?

Speaker 2 And when they get older, they get really mean, really, really mean.

Speaker 2 So at a certain age, I don't remember what it is, but at a certain age, you really need to turn them over to somebody else who just like lets them go run in the forest or whatever.

Speaker 2 So when they get really mean, we let them run free in the forest. I don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 That sounds like a terrible metaphorically the forest. They killed them, I think.
I don't know what they do. But at a certain age, you got to keep them in a cage because they get really mean.

Speaker 2 Teenagers.

Speaker 2 And there was this woman who was living next door to somebody who had a monkey. The monkey got out.
She was getting into her car. The monkey came running across the street to her and

Speaker 2 literally clawed her face off. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah.
And she survived.

Speaker 2 And I think, did we do an interview with her at some point? At some point? At some point, we totally ruined the buzz of the story, though. We had a good vibe going talking about monkeys.

Speaker 2 There was fun.

Speaker 2 And then all of a sudden,

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 anyway, okay, so let's stop with the monkey talk. Let's talk a little bit about how Kamala Harris was in shock on election night.
Cut two.

Speaker 6 In a state of shock. Really?

Speaker 2 Did you think the day before that you were going to win?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so when did the proverbial penny drop?

Speaker 6 When I got a call from my campaign manager

Speaker 6 that it looks like we need 200,000 more votes that we can't find.

Speaker 2 We can't find. Just the numbers.

Speaker 6 Meaning it's just the map, the numbers.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 the thing I kept saying over and over again, I was in a state of shock. I was

Speaker 2 freeze this frame. Freeze this frame for me, please.
Look how she's talking behind her hands.

Speaker 2 She is hiding behind her hands. He's talking like this.
She's got her hands up over part of her nose and she's covering half of her face. I mean, that is bizarre body language.
Anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 6 So inarticulate,

Speaker 6 but maybe very articulate. What I kept saying over and over again is, my God, my God, my God.
Really?

Speaker 6 Over and I couldn't stop.

Speaker 2 Kamala said she was articulating. I haven't felt shocked.
I know. That's weird.

Speaker 6 What a developer. Emotion, anything similar to the emotion I felt that day and for quite some time,

Speaker 6 other than

Speaker 6 the grief I felt when my mother died.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh. I mean,

Speaker 2 these people really think they're important. They really do.

Speaker 2 Get some perspective. Hey, I didn't get a job basically with my mom croaking.

Speaker 2 Jeez. Shut up.

Speaker 2 You just say that with such compassion.

Speaker 2 It's real disdain, isn't it?

Speaker 2 Can you sense it?

Speaker 2 Can a little bit, just hints of it here and there.

Speaker 2 She is, I mean, first of all, think of the arrogance that it takes to be in that battle and then to be shocked to the point to where you are almost catatonic, just going, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, for the longest time.

Speaker 2 Think about how arrogant you have to be. You know, it's funny.
Her opponent took a bullet. During the campaign.
Did she have any that sort of feeling that day?

Speaker 2 Was there any feeling about losing her country the day that her donors were firing at

Speaker 2 her opponent? Hey, can I ask, Jason?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Can I ask you,

Speaker 2 Stu is over the age where monkeys get mean.

Speaker 2 Should I put Stu in a cage?

Speaker 2 I'm noticing he might just claw somebody's face off here anytime. I think we might.
You're the only one in the room with it.

Speaker 2 I know. I know.
Good luck on how that works. Yeah, I know.
It's not good.

Speaker 2 We might have to get that $100,000 insurance policy just in case. Not sure.
You're working with Stu? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You need that insurance.

Speaker 2 Hey, Glenn, can we go back to finding 200,000 votes?

Speaker 2 I mean, I feel like we kind of blew past that really quick, but just a direct quote really quick and just tell me if you remember where this came from. Quote,

Speaker 2 all I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is more than we have because we won the state.
Right. That was from the Georgia call

Speaker 2 that was part of the entire impeachment thing. Let's impeachment for saying find votes.
Now, is that okay now?

Speaker 2 Play that again. That's such a great, such a great point.
Play that again.

Speaker 6 I was in a state of shock. Really?

Speaker 2 Did you think the day before that you were going to win?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, completely.
And so when did the proverbial penny drop?

Speaker 6 When I got a call from my campaign manager

Speaker 6 that it looks like we need 200,000 more votes that we can't find.

Speaker 2 That is so crazy.

Speaker 2 It's so crazy. No, I mean, it's especially because they made that phrase to such a big point.
It's the only reason it's crazy. Right.
I mean, obviously, you understand what she's saying here.

Speaker 2 She's not saying they're going to manufacture

Speaker 2 exactly the way they should have

Speaker 2 understood what Donald Trump is.

Speaker 2 I generally agree with that. I mean, I think their argument there would be that that call was made to an election official in a state.

Speaker 2 This is a, you know, know, she's saying it to her campaign people, where are we going to find these votes? He was making a call to the people running the elections in Georgia.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's what they would say the difference is. Yeah, that's what they would say.

Speaker 2 But again, like the bigger than that, and what makes it comical, I guess, is just that they made that phrase into such a big deal. It's the same thing they did with Sarah Palin back in the day.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, target the district. And then they went on, every election since.
They've said something similar, or maybe exactly, we're targeting these districts.

Speaker 2 And it was as if we weren't supposed to remember. Yeah.
Like all these things happen and we're just supposed to forget them the next day. I think maybe the entire left

Speaker 2 has the beginnings of Alzheimer's, but it's only affecting their short-term memory. Like they can say something one day and the next day it's like they never said that.

Speaker 2 You know, it's interesting. It's on the back of something that I saw the other day.
I think it was on Twitter. I can't remember who tweeted it, so I apologize.
But

Speaker 2 it was a great point. And I think it's really

Speaker 2 it really boils down where we are a lot.

Speaker 2 And the way it was phrased was

Speaker 2 so much of left-wing discourse is pretending they don't understand what's happening. Yes.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, you know, like, oh, you know,

Speaker 2 they just act as if.

Speaker 2 They don't understand what you said targeting a district. That means that they're trying to kill the person.
Yes. That's what that means.
Well, you know, that's not what that means, right?

Speaker 2 That's what that means. They just deny.
It's like normally you fake one that you know more, right? Like someone asks, hey, do you know about mortgage rates today? Well, yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, you know, I know where they are. And you're, you're trying to act as if you have more knowledge about a situation.
They're constantly acting as if they have less knowledge.

Speaker 2 They don't understand what these terms are. They're just an unfrozen caveman lawyer.
They don't understand what any of these things are in this crazy new modern world. What?

Speaker 2 People use the word target to talk about districts. I don't even understand it.

Speaker 2 And then we get a week of conversation about their intentional misunderstanding. I've got one for you.
I think it's cut 20. Can you just listen to this in the break?

Speaker 2 I want the cut of Kamala talking about the ballroom. We'll do that when we come back.
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Speaker 2 Let me play this and see if this isn't exactly what you're talking about, Stu. Listen to this from Kamala yesterday.

Speaker 7 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 This guy wants to create a ballroom for his rich friends while completely turning a blind eye to the fact that that babies are gonna starve when the snap benefits end in just hours from now come on so what I'm not gonna be distracted by oh does the guy have a big hammer

Speaker 7 what about those babies

Speaker 2 I can't even make sense of her

Speaker 2 what I don't even understand

Speaker 2 so they're they're they're pretending they don't understand the ballroom thing this is just for his rich friends or how snap benefits work yeah or how snap benefits work.

Speaker 2 You know, and they're like, wait, wait, that's what he meant.

Speaker 2 That's what he wants babies to starve to death starting tomorrow while he only cares about this opulent, golden-crusted, you know, rich friend zone that he's building. Which is hilarious, right?

Speaker 2 Like the

Speaker 2 date it's supposed to be done is basically at the end of his presidency, right? Like he's not really, he is really not going to get much at all out of this room, right?

Speaker 2 It's going to be future presidents. And you know what's crazy is they're actually talking, they were trying to pass a bill in Congress to have it torn down the minute he leaves office.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Stupid Eric Swalwell said that. What a stupid, stupid, moronic idea.

Speaker 2 I'm going to knock down a $300 million building out of spite.

Speaker 2 They do it. They would do it.
And they would do it. They would act as if it was some pure

Speaker 2 gesture. Right.
Like it's, this is how you're going to prove that you're really a liberal. You're really, you're really one of those people.

Speaker 2 I mean, Swalwell's construction of this was,

Speaker 2 if you don't say you're going to knock down the ballroom, you shouldn't be running for president in 2028. I'm so tired of the purity tests.

Speaker 2 I'm so tired of the purity tests. Here's an idea.
Just be who you are and let people decide. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Just, just, just. That goes to this entire conversation today.
You know what?

Speaker 2 I get that you think we should be talking about something. I get it.

Speaker 2 Whatever the thing is that you think is the most important thing in the world, you think all other people should not only share your view about it, but also be talking about it constantly.

Speaker 2 I got news for you. I have a life too, and I'm going to live it.
And everyone should make their own decisions. You know what I'm focused on?

Speaker 2 Tonight, the Toronto Blue Jays play game six of the World Series. I'm hyper.
I can't even. It kills him not to be talking about something.
That's all I want to talk about

Speaker 2 is that. I know.
And yet I have to get every time you talk to somebody else. They're like, oh, well, you got to talk about this.
You need to vote this way. You need to do this.

Speaker 2 You need to support this policy. You need to, you know, you need to excommunicate this individual, whatever your thing is today.

Speaker 2 Just note that

Speaker 2 maybe your life and the thoughts going on in your head aren't supposed to be applied to everyone else. And you know what's crazy is we literally pray every day before this show.
I pray at night.

Speaker 2 I pray all the time

Speaker 2 when I'm preparing the show.

Speaker 2 Show me what I need to say that is important. Show me what I should be talking about that will be useful.
And how many times have you tuned in and went, well, that's not useful.

Speaker 2 I get it. We're some of the things.
Yeah, it happens all the time. I mean,

Speaker 2 you know, we're doing our best and you are too. Everybody's doing their best.
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Speaker 2 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. There is

Speaker 2 some really disturbing things that are happening in the Sudan.

Speaker 2 You can see the genocide from satellite images. You can see the blood on the streets from satellite images.

Speaker 2 They now have these Islamic terror groups in photographs standing in front of, I mean, just row after row after row of dead bodies.

Speaker 2 This is a growing problem. I don't, I mean,

Speaker 2 can we go to the footage here of what's happening with the protests in front of Columbia University, standing up for those Christians that are,

Speaker 2 oh no, I'm just hearing there are no protests. There's nobody standing up for these people.
There's nobody willing to stand up and say, hey, this is what genocide looks like.

Speaker 2 And it's happening all over. And it's happening with Islam is doing it.

Speaker 2 But no, we don't want to talk about that. Well, next year, I'm going to bring it to you.
I'm going next year, first quarter, hopefully.

Speaker 2 I'll just disappear and then appear someplace, and we'll bring you the story.

Speaker 2 But because it is happening, and it is horrifying. And the world has got to wake up because it's coming all over the world.
All over the world.

Speaker 2 Do we have our guest yet?

Speaker 2 Okay, if she doesn't call in the next couple of minutes or we can't get a hold of her her next couple of minutes, move her to next week.

Speaker 2 I have this

Speaker 2 author of this unbelievable article.

Speaker 2 And I know it was in the New York Times and we're not supposed to read that, but I read the New York Times. You should read the New York Times.
You should read all of everything.

Speaker 2 But it was in the New York Times. And

Speaker 2 it is called Inside the Blade, one of the most notorious sex trafficking districts in America. And this reporter for the Times wrote this story, and it is the most amazing story.

Speaker 2 All of these kids that are trafficked that are 11 years old, 11,

Speaker 2 and they're out on the street. And because Gavin Newsom and the lefties in California wanted to protect sex workers, the cops can't do anything.

Speaker 2 So they'll see a girl dressed as a hooker and they cannot say anything to her. So these girls are remaining trapped.
And what is the story about? This private group,

Speaker 2 this couple that believes in this because of spirituality, they go out and they're rescuing these girls. I mean, it's just such a great story.
Great story.

Speaker 2 The shocking thing about it is the actual, it's the New York Times magazine, by the way, and the actual title of the story is, Can Anyone Rescue the Trafficked Girls of LA's Figueroa Street?

Speaker 2 And you read that and you're just like, wait a minute, we know the street? Like, we know this horrible thing is happening to underaged girls that are being forced into sex slavery. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And we have the actual, not just the town, not just the neighborhood, the actual street. We know where they are.
And we can't do anything about it. Nope.
Nope. Nope, we can't.

Speaker 2 I mean, let me give you another one. Where is the audio here?

Speaker 2 of cut four. These are, these are, this is from a local news station in Michigan talking about how two Muslim doctors are bringing young girls in from Minnesota.
Listen to this.

Speaker 8 Troubling details are emerging in the federal case involving a local doctor, Jumana Nagarwala, is accused of performing an illegal medical procedure on young girls.

Speaker 8 The procedure, referred to by prosecutors as female genital mutilation, was allegedly performed at a clinic in Livonia.

Speaker 8 And now the man whose name is on the front of that clinic was charged in connection with the case.

Speaker 9 The charges are disturbing: that the doctor allegedly conspired with respected Henry Ford emergency room Dr.

Speaker 9 Jumana Nagrawala to bring the girls in from Minnesota, where female genital mutilation is against state law to the Attar's office in Livonia, where there is not a state law in the books against the practice here in Michigan.

Speaker 9 The FBI alleges that the girls' genitals were cut by Nagrawalla with Attar and his wife assisting. The lawyer for Dr.

Speaker 9 Nagrawala says only skin was removed in what he calls a Shia Muslim religious practice.

Speaker 9 Federal investigators say two seven-year-olds suffered pain, cuts, and scarring from the procedure recognized by the World Health Organization as a human rights violation.

Speaker 2 Hello? But they don't have anything. Texas has guerrilla laws on the book.

Speaker 2 Michigan does not have female genital mutilation on the books. What does that tell you? What does that tell you? Gosh.

Speaker 2 We've got some problems, Glenn. I don't know if anyone has realized this.
But have you noticed?

Speaker 2 Have you noticed, though, the problems are all kind of stemming from the same place?

Speaker 2 It's all stemming from Sharia law lovers.

Speaker 2 It is stemming from those who will embrace Sharia law lovers to get their way to destroy the way. I mean, it's a very small group.
It's a very small group.

Speaker 2 They just happen to be playing on useful idiots. And they're making it in every country.
In every country, they are making this all about racism.

Speaker 2 Well, hang on just a second. I thought Donald Trump was the Hitler.
I thought Donald Trump was the source of all racism. How come they're crying racism in Sweden? They didn't vote for Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 How come our politicians are saying exactly the same things and implementing exactly, I mean in places word for word,

Speaker 2 the same laws all over the Western world? How's that happening? How is that happening?

Speaker 2 That's happening because they have duped people.

Speaker 2 They have duped the world. They have duped us as individuals.
Keep us fighting against each other so we can't fight and see what the real

Speaker 2 problem is.

Speaker 2 And the real problem is we have politicians that are actually working against

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 nation. and the West.
They are intentionally trying to reset our nation and bring it into something that it's not. They're intentionally trying to destroy the West.

Speaker 2 And they're using Islam to do it. Like they're going to be able to control that.
Like they're going to be able to bring all of these 20-somethings into France, into England, into our own country.

Speaker 2 And then somehow or another, yeah, when they topple everything, you know, then we'll take care of these Sharia law lovers. No, you're not.
They're going to take care of you.

Speaker 2 I said, I mean, it's, God, I said this in 2009. I put this on the chalkboard every day for two years, and now it's happening, and people still can't see it.

Speaker 2 First, it was, I was a conspiracy theorist, and then when that stopped working, well, it's Donald Trump. It's all Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 What's the reason? Is it just the sort of energy?

Speaker 2 You're looking for young people who have passion, right? So is that why they're adopting these groups?

Speaker 2 Is it that they agree with them on a lot of stuff?

Speaker 2 What's the reason? I think

Speaker 2 I really feel for those under 30.

Speaker 2 They grew up, they saw their parents, you know, in 2008, maybe lose their house, lose their job, lose everything. They saw the big banks get bailed out.

Speaker 2 They have never experienced an America that we lived in. They've only seen this corrupt, cronyist, you know, cronyism kind of capitalism their whole life.

Speaker 2 And then they've been told in every class they've ever attended that America is a bad place. They don't have any idea, legitimately don't have any idea of who America really is.

Speaker 2 They've only been given this cooked book about how bad America is. And then they've seen it and they've witnessed it themselves.

Speaker 2 They've seen what's going on with the banks and the bailouts and everything else.

Speaker 2 But they've played by rules. And their parents, they think their parents, you know, are dupes in some ways.

Speaker 2 They think their parents were foolish because they just kept sticking it out well mom and dad where'd that get you that you can't see this whole system is corrupt no it's it is corrupt honey but it's not fully corrupt it's the ideas are good but they don't even understand the ideas and so they grew up with all of this corruption they had mom and dad played by the rules then they went to college Because that's what they were told, get a college degree and everything's going to be fine.

Speaker 2 And now they're out of college and they can't find a job because that was a lie, too.

Speaker 2 And who was lying about it?

Speaker 2 The educational systems were lying. They knew.
They knew just like we knew. This is not serving them.
Not everybody should go to college. Not everybody should be in Ivy League colleges.
What?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 So they get out, they play by the rule. Now they can't get any jobs.
They see their money just disappearing. They see the people up at the top just getting richer and richer and richer.

Speaker 2 And they're like, you know what? This system doesn't work.

Speaker 2 I can relate to that. I think that's what I would believe had I grown up the way they grew up.

Speaker 2 I think I would be really vulnerable to that argument

Speaker 2 because they don't know anything that, you know, they just don't know the things that we know inherently because we lived it before. We've seen this country operate in the right ways.
They never have.

Speaker 2 Also, they haven't experienced,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 like this this idea that everything's so terrible. Like, you know, I don't know.
There's no connection to what terrible actually is. No, there's not.

Speaker 2 There's not. It can get a lot worse, you know, and I think a lot of people, there's a lot of this, you know, burn it all down because, you know, we, we, this isn't working

Speaker 2 talk.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's the same people. We talked about this earlier.
Oh, there's going to be a civil war. It's like, oh, you know,

Speaker 2 these terms sound,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 they're terms that like get people tweeting and they, you know, it gets people clicking. But like, I, you know,

Speaker 2 if there's a civil war, you will pine for the worst days of any administration that you hate. Right.
You will pine for those days. Yeah.
It changes everything.

Speaker 2 And people don't know that they've never had struggle. They don't have an education, a real education of what it is.
They don't know what communism is. They've only heard that communism is neat.

Speaker 2 And they look at these things as, okay, well, I don't really know why it failed or even when it was tried because they don't teach it that way.

Speaker 2 They teach it was never tried really the right way, but we can do it this time. And they don't, they're not taught that that's what they say every time,

Speaker 2 every single time. So they don't know these things.
And so they hear, you know what, this doesn't work. They feel inerrantly, this doesn't work.
Well, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 This, the way we're doing it, doesn't work, but we're not doing the constitution and it works

Speaker 2 it just it works it's it just could be working a lot better a lot better it's ugly the way it's working and what's fascinating is a lot of the people who say this isn't working we need to burn down this system

Speaker 2 um have no concept of what real struggle is no and If you want to enrich white people,

Speaker 2 and if you want to come up with a real historical example of what that real struggle looks like, it's under all of the systems they want to implement. Yes.
Right?

Speaker 2 Like, go back and look at what communism really plays.

Speaker 2 Go back to any communist country. Go back and look at the holodomor.
Go back and look at the real struggles. Look at Cuba today.
China.

Speaker 2 China. You want to live like that.
You want North Korea? You can have it. And I suppose you can implement a system like that if you really want to.

Speaker 2 Now, of course, they might not let you into North Korea to experience the glories of Pyongyang for yourself. And if they do, they may not let you out.

Speaker 2 Exactly. But you don't, trust me, you don't want to implement the things you want to implement.
All of these people will be more than miserable.

Speaker 2 Half of them will not even be able to feed themselves under these systems.

Speaker 2 And they act every it's just so simple to sit back and

Speaker 2 say these things. And of course,

Speaker 2 the world that we're in, right, with social media and all these other things that's glorifies simple dumb passionate exactly right and right now everything is mcdonald's speed

Speaker 2 and i want it right now and i want an explanation right now i want a solution right now

Speaker 2 you know these people who are saying that we should um you know we got to get off the these nations off of the teat of uncle sam that we got to stop doing all these foreign wars and everything else I 100% agree with you, but you don't stop something that has been in play for 120 years tomorrow.

Speaker 2 You know, he's been working on this for nine months. Look at the progress he's made in nine months.
Imagine what it'll be in four years. Imagine what it could be in eight years.

Speaker 2 Maybe we get there, but we're making progress. And, you know, just because we're still engaged in some of these things, yes, and I want them to stop.

Speaker 2 Look at how much progress has been made on that front in the last nine months it's incredible

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Speaker 2 Last night, we're in Chicago today. I want to thank Eye Hart for putting us up in their studios today.

Speaker 2 I'm in Chicago because last night was a Radio Hall of Fame induction ceremony, and

Speaker 2 we had to go support one of our own, Julie Talbot.

Speaker 2 She runs Premiere. She is responsible for much of the success of this program.
One of the greatest, greatest executives I've ever worked with. She's awesome.

Speaker 2 She is truly awesome and belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 Unlike you.

Speaker 2 We didn't have to say that.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 there were some really amazing people that were inducted last night. Yeah, a really cool event.

Speaker 2 From MTV? Martha Quinn. Yeah, she was

Speaker 2 awesome last night. Alice Cooper.
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Speaker 2 Colin Cowherd was really, really good. And then the Birmingham radio legend, Shelly Stewart, he's 91 years old.
He was around various civil rights.

Speaker 2 And he talked about how much he loves America and don't tear it down, how great it is. It was really a powerful evening at the Radio Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 2 You know, once in a while, you'll say, when I grow up, I want to be just like, and for me, when I grow up, I want to be just like Andrew Clavin. He is one of my favorite people.

Speaker 2 I think, just based on his children, he's one of the best fathers I know. He is really, really, really smart, constantly looking for the truth, and he's one of the best fiction writers around today.

Speaker 2 He's been nominated, I don't even know, four or five times and won a lot of them for the Edgar Award, the Edgar Allan Poe.

Speaker 2 I think it's named after Edgar Allan Poe, which is so appropriate for today, being Halloween. He has just written a new book.
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Speaker 2 After That Dark. That's not the name of it, is it? Is it? Yeah, After That, The Dark.

Speaker 2 It is number five in his series of books. He has written True Crime, which turned into a movie with Clint Eastwood, Don't Say a Word, which was in a movie with Michael Douglas, Empire of Lies.

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Andrew, my man, how are you?

Speaker 10 I'm good. It's great to talk to you.
Thank you for

Speaker 10 that lovely introduction. I have to tell you that behind your back, I was talking to Steve Deese about you yesterday, and we were saying saying that

Speaker 10 you are the only major conservative voice that actually loves fiction. You know,

Speaker 10 when we come on, when we talk to you, we feel like, oh, at least you're somebody who actually reads and appreciates the art. So we were giving you this appreciation behind your back.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 That's really nice.

Speaker 2 It's really, I was wondering, I wanted to ask you this off the air because I didn't know if anybody would be interested, but I'm going to ask you now because you kind of brought it up.

Speaker 2 What are book sales like now? I haven't written a fiction book in years. And I mean, it used to be, you know, you could have millions sold.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, having a 1 million or a 2 million sales book became harder and harder. Now, I would imagine a book that sells a million copies is a wild out-of-control bestseller.
Is that true?

Speaker 10 Oh, absolutely. It's really, really hard.

Speaker 2 It's crazy.

Speaker 10 The businesses has, yeah, the reading has gone down, and the business has been, is so feminized that, you know, writing books, men hardly read novels at all anymore.

Speaker 10 I'm one of the last remaining guys. There are others, I'm not alone, but I'm one of the last remaining guys who writes books for men and women.

Speaker 10 You know, they have love stories in them, but they're action books and they're full of the questions that men are thinking about. And like, it's just really tough to get that out there.

Speaker 10 And they also, you know, they blacklist white men. And

Speaker 10 my editor, Otto Penzler, who is probably the major figure in the 20th century for mystery publishing,

Speaker 10 he's been canceled at things because they say he publishes too many white men. It's just

Speaker 10 nuts out there.

Speaker 2 You know, I got out of my relationship with Simon ⁇ Schuster because it got so crazy just on... Just on nonfiction books, you know, you got to really take this angle.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, you don't know my audience. What are you talking about? You guys are New York liberals.
Don't tell me what to write.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's why they hire you.

Speaker 10 That's what they're paying you to do. They're paying you to give your vision.
And then they want to make sure that your vision is their vision.

Speaker 2 I know it doesn't work. It's so stupid.
So stupid.

Speaker 2 So tell me about this book.

Speaker 10 This is After That the Dark. I'm going to tell you, Glenn, absolutely honestly, this is one of the best books I ever wrote.
It is a mystery and a love story.

Speaker 10 It's about this guy, Cameron Winter, who's been trying to escape his past as a government assassin.

Speaker 2 Can I pick it up with this book, Andrew? Because I know this is number five. Can I pick it up here? Yes.
Or do I have to? Yes. Yes.

Speaker 10 This book has all of the things, all of the themes that have been playing out are in this book.

Speaker 10 And he meets this girl that he is really falling for, and they go out on a first date, and she tells him she knows he likes kind of odd murders.

Speaker 10 And she tells him a true story about a murder in a locked room, a classic locked room mystery.

Speaker 10 And he, just to impress her, he tries to solve the murder and he opens up this absolute hornet's nest of evil that starts to surround him.

Speaker 10 So he's this guy who's trying to escape being an assassin, but he finds that he's going to have to kill some people to get out of this alive.

Speaker 2 And so can I, you know, wait, wait, wait, wait. Can I ask? Yeah.
You know, in the locked room, it's an institution, a padded, a padded.

Speaker 2 It does feel a little inspired by Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 10 Well, Jeffrey Epstein is always on a good crime writer's mind.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 A little bit. A little bit.
Is that just a coincidence?

Speaker 10 No, there are all kinds of Epsteinian themes in the book, I have to say, because

Speaker 10 there's a lot of dark stuff going on behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 you also have, you know, the billionaire that is played also has a, again,

Speaker 2 I'm sure, because I'm sure it says at the very beginning, any,

Speaker 2 anything that would make you think this billionaire was like George Soros,

Speaker 2 that's on you.

Speaker 2 You just have an evil mind. You just have an evil mind.

Speaker 2 It's not my fault.

Speaker 10 I give you these books and you just turn them into these horrible conspiracies.

Speaker 2 I know, I know, I know how horrible of me. Just horrible.

Speaker 2 So this is, so, Andrew, how do we turn this? Because

Speaker 2 I'm really bothered by, you know, I I saw a poll. What was it, Stu? It was the stat was, was it 58? 58% of Americans

Speaker 2 have a sixth grade level reading ability.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Over 50%, you know, or less.

Speaker 2 We don't survive with that.

Speaker 10 No, of course not. And we have no future with that at all.
And they're shutting down schools for gifted kids.

Speaker 10 And I have to tell you, the way they treat poor people, black people, people in underserved neighborhoods in education is a crime. It's a crime.

Speaker 10 I mean, my daughter taught in one of the worst schools in the country for a couple of years, and she had to close the door in order to teach kids values.

Speaker 10 Because if they caught her teaching kids good values, they would tell her she was doing something terribly wrong. And it was just,

Speaker 10 it's just amazing.

Speaker 10 It's amazing the things that they withhold from underprivileged children and the fact that they shut down these schools as they did during COVID and the teachers' union just ruled the party and ruled the country there for a couple of years.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Weingarten said that she was for the opening of schools. I don't know if you saw that recently.

Speaker 2 She was for opening. That's right.

Speaker 10 I missed that in real time, but I'm glad I got that.

Speaker 2 I know, I know. We could see it in the playback.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 And you know, you take away reading. It's one of the great joys of life.
Reading is one of the great joys of life. If anything expands your soul, if that is a possible thing, it's reading.
And

Speaker 10 I think reading fiction, you know, approaching the arts, I think the arts do so much for the human mind and soul.

Speaker 10 I mean, just being able to understand the culture that you're in, good and bad, what's happening, it helps you understand human nature.

Speaker 10 And to take that away from kids and to take it away from people in general, it's just, it's a sin. It's a crime.

Speaker 2 I remember at lunchtime, my fourth grade teacher read,

Speaker 2 you could stay in for lunch, and she would read

Speaker 2 Little House on the Prairie. And

Speaker 2 she was a great reader, and it was just, it just lit my imagination.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I read, you know, books back then, especially, you know, written, you know, prior to the modern age,

Speaker 2 they were written. to be read out loud, especially people like Edgar Allan Poe.

Speaker 2 He was men, and I think Mark Twain, too.

Speaker 2 If you had a great reader, a great storyteller in your family and you had access to these books, you had television, you had movies, it would come to life when you would read these things.

Speaker 2 That is a totally lost art.

Speaker 2 Nobody is reading to their children out loud and really taking them for adventures.

Speaker 10 You know, when I was in sixth grade, we had to memorize a poem, and I memorized The Raven because I loved Edgar Allan Poe so so much.

Speaker 10 And I have to say, having that poem in my head and having other poems in my head, I have a bad memory, so I have to really work at memorizing things.

Speaker 10 It's like having company. It's like having somebody in the dark of night.
There's something you can always think, go to, that is like connecting with another soul. And I have memories, too.

Speaker 10 Like you were talking about teachers who introduce things to you.

Speaker 10 I remember this teacher who introduced just the first scene from Macbeth with the witches and all this stuff and the witches telling Macbeth that he was going to be king.

Speaker 10 So he thought, well, maybe I have to murder the king to be king. And I just thought, wow, that is so cool.

Speaker 10 And I've been a Shakespeare lover all my life. And that was in third grade.
And this stuff just sticks with you forever. And it's a terrible thing to be deprived of.

Speaker 10 And I think for some people, I think for people who are past childhood, I think the internet gets in the way.

Speaker 10 You know, I think the phones that draw you into these little bursts of information without drawing you into real stories and real life.

Speaker 2 You know, I became friends with Orsonwell's daughter.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, because I collect, I have a lot of his. I have his original War of the World script.

Speaker 2 I have all of his original scripts, you know, with his hand-annotated, you know, scripts from everything, from Citizen Kane to, you know, all of it.

Speaker 2 And we were talking one time, his daughter and I, and she said, you know, I didn't realize how weird I was until my dad died.

Speaker 2 and she said he was my best friend and we did everything together and she said my dad homeschooled me now imagine being homeschooled by orson wells

Speaker 2 yeah right he was such a stickler on things but anyway she said you want to know how i learned shakespeare and i said sure and she said Friday came and my dad said, be ready Monday morning.

Speaker 2 When we start school, we're going someplace. So be ready by seven seven

Speaker 2 and be ready to, you know, bring a bring a jacket

Speaker 2 because Monday we start Shakespeare. And she said,

Speaker 2 he came into my room and said, come on, let's go. On Monday morning, he had packed a picnic basket, brought a blanket.
She said, we drove for a long time. They lived in Europe at the time.

Speaker 2 And she said, we drove a long time. And my dad pulled up to this old castle.
And

Speaker 2 he stood with the castle as the backdrop and the moat in front. And he laid the blanket down and I sat down and he stood up with the backdrop of the castle and he said, Macbeth, act one.

Speaker 2 And he acted out. She said, that's how I learned Shakespeare.
He acted all of these plays out himself.

Speaker 2 You mentioned that. That's amazing.
That is amazing.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 10 he made a film. He made a film of a fellow that has been pieced together.
It's one of the best Shakespeare films ever made. I mean, he was just brilliant as Shakespeare.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 10 That's That's an unbelievable story.

Speaker 10 You know, you ought to take that collection. You have such a great collection.
You ought to do for the 250th birthday of America. You ought to just put it on display.

Speaker 10 Like they did the last time, I think it was 200, they did a train that went across the country carrying memorabilia.

Speaker 10 You're the only person left who could do that.

Speaker 2 So I think

Speaker 2 people.

Speaker 2 I think we are, I don't know. I haven't been involved in this.

Speaker 2 I was involved in the beginning, and I don't know where the ending is, but we talked about doing something with trucks with the white house um and i the last i heard we were going to be taking it on buses or trucks around the country uh for the 250th i don't know if that's i don't know if that's happening still or not um but we are going to be we're going to be doing a lot of a lot of stuff with it because it's it's you know i thought about the train you know 1976 you know isn't it weird you you remember this do you remember the bicentennial logo you know the star the red white and blue the logo no i don't remember the logo no okay so it was a red red, white, and blue star.

Speaker 2 And I thought, I remember this being everywhere. I remember it being, you know, 1776, 1976 on our coins, everything.

Speaker 2 Here we are

Speaker 2 at 250,

Speaker 2 and there's nothing.

Speaker 2 They're not even talking about anything. There's nothing coming from our government.
And it's like pulling teeth. I mean, Trump is doing something, but the government,

Speaker 2 they're not doing anything. It's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's crazy. And, you know, I mean, it has been, one of the things that I love about Trump is the fact that he does care

Speaker 10 about the culture, about the arts, about fiction and things like that. He's taken over the Kennedy Center, which I think is great.
People are protesting it and all that stuff.

Speaker 10 But it's no, these are great things because we've lost it to this little group of people who feel like entitled to hound artists out of the, you know, we're talking about the publishing industry.

Speaker 10 That's just leftism, leftists hounding artists out of the square because they don't like their vision, they don't like their opinions.

Speaker 10 And people like me are getting very rare, you know, people who write novels that actually have a vision that other people can agree with and is not imposing this leftist nonsense on them.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 2 just becoming a really rare thing. You know, we were talking a few weeks ago, I think off the air.
I don't think we shared this on the air, but

Speaker 2 back in 2010, I think, I did something at the I rented out the

Speaker 2 Kennedy Center. And I was doing a night at the Kennedy Center.
And I said I wanted the backdrop to be a giant flag.

Speaker 2 And I asked them if they had one, assuming it's Washington, D.C., of course, they have a backdrop of a giant flag.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? To be really honest. You've never been to the Kennedy Center?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 I know. And they said the American flag.
When I put the flag on the stage, I was told by the Kennedy Center, this is the first time the American flag has ever been on stage at the Kennedy Center.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. That is absolutely crazy.
So I'm

Speaker 2 thrilled.

Speaker 10 No, it's great. And he's

Speaker 10 the only president who ever thought that maybe this could be changed.

Speaker 10 The only time it ever occurred to anybody that we don't have to live like this.

Speaker 10 We don't have to live with this little small sliver of the population who hate our country, who hate our values, dictating everything that we see and do. We don't have to do that.

Speaker 10 And I think that the Republicans have a lot to answer for for the 50 years in which they just sort of shrugged this off. They shrugged off the news media that was all on one side.

Speaker 10 They kind of just kow-towed to it. And I think that that's, you know, that's kind of what's brought us here.
I think we're in this really weird moment when the culture has flatlined because of these

Speaker 10 woke ideas, which basically call evil good and good evil. And I think it's about to come back.

Speaker 10 And I would really like it if conservatives and people of traditional mind, you know, would sort of get involved and sort of say, yeah, you know, I want to do this.

Speaker 10 I want to make sure that our culture doesn't fall like this again because it's so bad. It's so bad for children.
It's bad for young people. It's bad for everybody.
It's bad for everybody's brain.

Speaker 2 And here is how you fix it. Just start reading again.
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Love him. You know, it's weird how we just get this knuckle-dragging Neanderthal,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 image that if you're a conservative, you have no idea what the arts are. You have no idea how to, you know, and it's crazy.
It's really crazy. People really like the arts.

Speaker 2 The reason why we don't need to be funding them at the government level. And I would argue, I don't want any of that to happen.
I don't want any of it. But like, it's like people really enjoy it.

Speaker 2 They go into their, they make it their lives work. And you know what? It would not need to be funded by anything if you would stop jamming agendas down people's throats.

Speaker 2 I mean, when is, when is Broadway going to figure this out?

Speaker 2 Everything that they're doing, all of the revivals that they're doing that are old, that don't have this agenda, they're, they're running and running and running and they're great.

Speaker 2 All of the new stuff that is full of agenda, it closes within a year. Yeah.
And they keep losing money on it. And they're like, whoa, it's dying.
No, it's not. You're killing it.
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Speaker 2 It's Halloween, which means Edgar Allan Poe.

Speaker 4 It was a crime of contempt.

Speaker 2 One young man's logic misguided through the onslaught of insanity.

Speaker 2 His name remains unspoken, but his crime is unforgettable.

Speaker 2 This is his story.

Speaker 11 True.

Speaker 11 Nervous. Very, very dreadfully nervous, I admit, and am.

Speaker 11 Why would you say that I'm mad? The disease sharpened my senses, not destroyed them, not broken.

Speaker 4 Above all, the sense of hearing was acute. I heard all things in heaven and in hell.
Oh, I heard many things in hell.

Speaker 4 How then am I mad? Hearken and observe how healthily, how calmly, I can tell you the whole story.

Speaker 4 It's impossible to say how the first idea entered my brain, but once conceived, it haunted me day and night. Object, there was none.
Passion, there was none. I loved the old man.

Speaker 4 He had never wronged me. He had never given me insult.
For his gold, I had no desire.

Speaker 4 I think it was his eye.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 It was this.

Speaker 4 He had an eye of a vulture, a pale blue eye with film over it. Whenever it fell upon me, my blood ran cold.

Speaker 4 And so, by degrees, very gradually, I made up my mind to take the life of the old man and thus rid myself of the eye forever. Now, this is the point.
You fancy me mad. Madmen know nothing.

Speaker 4 But you should have seen me. You should have seen how wisely I proceeded.
With what caution, caution, with what foresight, with what dissimulation I went to work.

Speaker 4 I was never kinder to the old man than during the whole week before I killed him. And every night, about midnight, I turned the latch of his door and opened it, oh so gently.

Speaker 4 And then, when I had made an opening sufficient for my head, I put in a lantern dark, all closed, closed, so no light shone out.

Speaker 4 And then I thrust in my head oh you would have laughed to see how cunningly I thrust it in I moved it in slowly very

Speaker 4 very slowly so I may not disturb the old man's sleep oh it took me an hour to place my whole head within the opening so far that I could see him as he lay upon his bed

Speaker 4 Would a madman have done something as wise as this? And then, when my head was well within the room, I undid the lantern cautiously.

Speaker 4 Oh, so cautiously, cautiously cautiously for the hinges creaked I did it just so much that a single thin ray fell upon the vulture eye

Speaker 4 and this

Speaker 4 I did for seven long nights every night just at midnight

Speaker 4 but I found the eye always closed So it was impossible to do the work. For it was not the old man who vexed me, but his evil eye.

Speaker 4 And every morning when the day broke, I went boldly into the chamber and spoke courageously to him, calling him by name in a hearty tone and inquiring how he had passed the night.

Speaker 4 So you see, he would have been a very profound old man indeed to suspect that every night, just at twelve,

Speaker 4 I looked in on him while he slept.

Speaker 4 Upon the eighth night, I was more than usually cautious in opening the door. A watch's minute hand moves more quickly than did mine.

Speaker 4 Never before that night had I felt the extent of my own powers, of my sagacity.

Speaker 4 I could scarcely contain my feelings of triumph to think that I was there, opening the door little by little, and he not even dream of my secret deeds or thoughts.

Speaker 4 I fairly chuckled at the idea, and perhaps he heard me, for he moved on the bed suddenly as if startled.

Speaker 4 Now, you may think that I drew back, but no.

Speaker 4 His room was black as pitch with thick darkness, for the shutters were closed and fastened through the fear of robbers.

Speaker 4 And so I knew he could not see the opening of the door, and I kept pushing it on.

Speaker 4 Steadily.

Speaker 4 Steadily.

Speaker 4 I had my head in.

Speaker 4 I was about to open the lantern when my thumb slipped upon the tin fastening and the old man sprang up in the bed, crying out, Who's there? I kept quiet, still. I said nothing.

Speaker 4 For a whole hour, I did not move a muscle.

Speaker 4 And in the meantime, I did not hear him lie down. He was still sitting up in bed, listening, just as I had done night after night, hearkening to the death watches in the wall.

Speaker 4 Presently...

Speaker 4 I heard a slight groan,

Speaker 4 and I knew it was the groan of mortal terror. It was not a groan of pain or of grief.
Oh no, it was the low stifled sound that arises from the bottom of the soul when overcharged with awe.

Speaker 4 I knew the sound well

Speaker 4 many a night, just at midnight when all the world slept it had welled up from my own bosom deepening with a dreadful echo. The terrors that distracted me.
Oh, I say I knew it well.

Speaker 4 I knew what the old man felt and pitied him.

Speaker 4 Although I chuckled at heart, I knew that he had been laying awake ever since the first slight noise when he turned in the bed.

Speaker 4 His fears had been ever since growing upon him. He had been trying to fancy them causeless, but could not.
He had been saying to himself, it's nothing but the wind in the chimney.

Speaker 4 It's only a mouse crossing the floor. Or, it's merely a cricket who's made a single chirp.
Oh yes, he had been trying to comfort himself with these suppositions, but he found them all in vain.

Speaker 4 All in vain.

Speaker 4 Because death, in approaching him, had stalked with his black shadow before him and enveloped the victim. And it was the mournful influence of the unperceived shadow that caused him to feel,

Speaker 4 although he never saw nor heard, to feel

Speaker 4 the presence of my head within the room.

Speaker 4 When I had waited a very long time, very patiently, without hearing him lie down, I resolved to open a little, a very,

Speaker 4 very little crevice in the lantern. So I opened it.

Speaker 4 Oh, you cannot imagine how stealthily, stealthily, until, at length, a single dim ray like the thread of a spider shot from the crevice and fell upon the vulture eye.

Speaker 2 It was open.

Speaker 2 It was wide, wide open, and I grew furious as I gazed upon it. I saw it with perfect distinctness, a dull blue with a hideous veil over that chilled my very marrow in my bones.

Speaker 2 But I could see nothing else of the old man's face or person, for I directed the ray as if by instinct precisely upon the damned spot.

Speaker 2 And have I not told you that what you mistake for madness madness is but an over-acuteness of the sense?

Speaker 4 Now, I say, there came to my ears a low, dull, quick sound,

Speaker 4 such as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton. I knew that sound.

Speaker 4 I knew that sound well, too.

Speaker 4 It was the beating of the old man's heart. It increased my fury as the beating of a drum stimulates a soldier into courage.
But even yet, I refrained. I kept still.

Speaker 4 I scarcely breathed.

Speaker 4 I held the lantern motionless.

Speaker 4 I tried how steadily I could maintain the ray upon the eye. Meantime, the hellish tattoo of the heart increased.
It grew quicker and quicker and louder and louder every instant.

Speaker 4 The old man's terror must have been extreme. It grew louder.
I say louder every moment. Do you mark me well?

Speaker 4 I told you that I was nervous, and so I am.

Speaker 4 And now,

Speaker 4 at the dead hour of night,

Speaker 4 amid the dreadful silence of that old house, so strange a noise as this excited me to uncontrollable terror, yet, for some minutes longer, I refrained and stood still.

Speaker 4 But the beating grew louder and louder. I thought his heart must burst, and then a new anxiety seized me.

Speaker 2 The sound.

Speaker 4 The sound would be heard by a neighbor.

Speaker 2 The old man's hour had come.

Speaker 4 With a loud yell, I threw open the lantern and leaped into the room. He shrieked once.

Speaker 4 Only once.

Speaker 4 In an instant, I dragged him to the floor and pulled the heavy bed over him. Then I smiled gayly to find the deed so far done.
But for many minutes, his heart beat on with a muffled sound.

Speaker 4 This, however, didn't vex me. It would not be heard through the wall.

Speaker 2 At length, it ceased.

Speaker 4 The old man

Speaker 4 was dead.

Speaker 4 I removed the bed and examined the corpse.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 He was stone.

Speaker 4 Stone dead.

Speaker 4 I placed my hands upon the heart.

Speaker 4 I felt it for many minutes. There was no pulsation.

Speaker 2 He was stone dead.

Speaker 4 His eye

Speaker 4 would trouble me.

Speaker 4 No more.

Speaker 4 If you still think me mad, you will think so no longer when I describe the wise precautions I took for the concealment of the body. The night waned.
I worked hastily, but in silence.

Speaker 4 First of of all, I dismembered the corpse. I cut off the head and the arms and the legs.
Then I took up three planks from the flooring of the chamber and deposited all between the scantalings.

Speaker 4 Then I replaced the boards so cleverly, so cunningly, that no human eye, not even his, could have detected anything wrong. There was nothing to wash out, no stain of any kind, no blood spot whatever.

Speaker 4 I had been too wary for that.

Speaker 4 A tub had caught it all.

Speaker 4 When I had made an end of these labors, it was four o'clock, still dark as midnight. As the bell sounded the hour, there came a knocking at the street door.

Speaker 4 I went down to open it with a light heart, for what now do I have to fear? There entered three men who introduced themselves with perfect suavity as officers of the police.

Speaker 4 A shriek had been heard by a neighbor during the night.

Speaker 2 Suspicion of foul play had been aroused.

Speaker 4 Information had been lodged at the police office, and they, the officers, had been deputed to search the premises. I bade the gentleman welcome.
The shriek, I said, was my own in a dream.

Speaker 4 The old man, I mentioned, was absent in the country. I took my visitors all over the house.
I bade them search.

Speaker 4 Search well.

Speaker 4 I led them at length to his chamber. I showed them his treasures, secure, undisturbed.

Speaker 4 In the enthusiasm of my confidence, I brought chairs into the room and desired them here to rest from your fatigues, while I myself, in the wild audacity of my perfect triumph, placed my own seat upon the very spot beneath which reposed the corpse of the victim.

Speaker 4 The officers were satisfied. My manner convinced them.
I was simply at ease.

Speaker 4 They sat while I answered cheerily. They chatted of familiar things.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 ere long,

Speaker 4 I felt myself getting paled and wished them gone. I headached and I fancied a ringing in my ears, but they sat and still chatted.

Speaker 4 The ringing

Speaker 4 became more distinct.

Speaker 4 I talked more freely to get rid of the feeling, but it continued and gained definitiveness until, at length, I found that the noise was not within my ears.

Speaker 4 Now,

Speaker 4 no doubt I grew very pale, but I talked more frequently and with a heightened voice, yet the sound increased. What could I do? It was a low, dull, quick sound.

Speaker 4 Much such a sound as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton.

Speaker 4 I gasped for breath, and yet the officers heard it not. I talked more quickly, more vehemently, but the noise steadily increased.

Speaker 4 I arose and argued about trifles, a high key, with violent gesticulations, but the noise steadily increased. Oh, why would they not be gone?

Speaker 4 I paced the floor to and fro with heavy strides, as if excited to fury by the observations of the men. But the noise steadily increased.
Oh, God, what could I do? I foamed. I raved.
I swore.

Speaker 4 I swung the chair in which I had been sitting and grated it across the boards. But the noise arose overall and continually increased.
It grew louder and louder and louder.

Speaker 4 And still the men chatted pleasantly and smiled. Was it possible they heard not? Almighty God, no.
No, they heard.

Speaker 2 They suspected. They knew.

Speaker 4 They were making a mockery of my horror. This, I thought, and this I think.
But anything was better than this agony. Anything was more tolerable than this derision.

Speaker 4 I could bear those hypocritical smiles no longer. I felt that I must scream or die, and now again, hark, hark, louder and louder and louder.

Speaker 2 Villains, I shrieked.

Speaker 4 Dissemble no more. I admit the deed.

Speaker 2 Tear up the planks.

Speaker 4 Hear,

Speaker 2 here is the beating of his hideous heart.

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