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the devices themselves were described to include threaded galvanized pipes, about one to eight inches, end caps, kitchen timers, wires, blah, blah, blah. Investigators have been working on this.

I mean, I've talked to Dan Bongino off the air several times, and he's like, Glenn, we are. busting our ass on this and we just keep coming up dead end dead end he's like we thought we had him

this was I don't know six months ago he said we thought we had him and it fell apart at the last minute so I don't know if this is the same guy who this is

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they tried to track the bomb making components you know they tried analyzing the cell phone location credit card data you know, tracking shoe sales, honestly, because he wore distinctive sneakers.

And so they were looking at who who bought. Can you imagine that? I mean, that's something you couldn't have done a few years ago.
Tracking sneaker sales.

They have not released a name yet of the suspect. Multiple sources say the person is a man from Virginia.
That's one report that is saying that. All of this stuff, we have no idea.

You know, this is just the initial report, so we don't really know.

No official charges have been publicly detailed yet.

Some media is saying that he is suspected of planting the bombs, but a formal charge sheet and criminal complaint has not been announced yet,

at least that we are aware of at this point. Motive remains unclear.
So we'll see.

Jason Buttrell is with me in our studios in Florida. Hi, Jason.
Hey, Glenn. So what are your thoughts on this? Kind of strange.

So CNN and the AP are the ones that are talking about this, reporting on it the most.

CNN says they do not have an ID of the person yet from the FBI or the the Justice Department, but from everything they know, it seems to indicate this is not someone who is an insider, which is interesting.

Apparently, everyone seems to have an idea that there is a suspect, but no information at all on who the suspect actually is. So why do you say that they're saying it's not an insider?

Why did you say that's interesting?

I mean, that seems to be where this has all been pointing. I mean, that's what everyone has suspected.
That it was an insider. That it was was an insider.
But I mean, I mean, you talk about, you know,

a few years ago, we wouldn't have been able to track sneaker sales. I mean,

I think about all the ways they could track. I think about every night, my wife will not be able to go to sleep without watching these like, you know, true crime stories.

And they're like, we found a paperclip and the paperclip led us to this CCTV. I mean, I'm like, what? I mean, there's cell phone, you know, information that we know that, you know, has been corrupted.

We know that, you know, there were text messages from Secret Service agents that suddenly got deleted.

All these things that were coincidences that just happened in a case like this, it just seems weird.

I don't know.

It's just one of the most oddest stories of the past five years that we have not gotten information on.

Really? That's like the best way I can put it. That's the best way I can put it.
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But

we're just dealing with so much.

I don't want to go into

commenting on it further than the information that we have.

You know, so far, I want to give the Justice Department the benefit of the doubt. I want to give everybody the benefit of the doubt.
I so want to believe in my country.

Help me believe. Help me help you.

I so want to believe, but I'll believe it when I see all of the information.

And maybe we'll have that by the end of the podcast today. We are going to keep our eyes locked on this story

today because that is obviously going to become the big, big story.

One of the other big stories, we're going to get into the Muslim thing here because there is so much breaking news on this. And that's a special we're doing tonight as well on

what is happening around the world and what is happening in America.

And we've got a couple of experts. In fact, Chris Ruffo is joining us on the show today.
He's the guy who's broken a lot of this news.

And we're going to talk about that. But I also want to talk about the fraud that is going on because, I mean,

there is a story going on right now that that shows you what happens when a government grows so massive, so unaccountable, unaccountable, so convinced of its own benevolence that it can no longer tell the difference between literally the living and the dead.

Now,

I want to preface this with, I want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt here, but I'm not sure they deserve it. Let me give you the facts.

We now have, in black and white, a new government accountability office report. This is not some blogger in the basement.
You know, this is not me saying it. This is the GAO.

And it shows that fake people, phony Social Security numbers, and even the dear departed were routinely approved for taxpayer-funded Obamacare subsidies. Now,

I emphasize the word routinely

because

what I mean by that is 100%

of the GAO's fictitious applications were approved.

100%.

Every single one that was fake was approved. Okay.

You could, honestly, you could have taken a napkin and scribbled the words, John Doe, totally real citizen, thrown some numbers up for a social security number that you pulled out of a fortune cookie and the federal government would have said, you got to send this guy a check because he's, it says right here, he's a a totally real citizen here.

They would have sent tens of thousands of dollars to your insurance company to reward the fraud. Okay,

this is not a glitch. This is not a clerical error.
This is massive fraud. Once again,

systemic failure

engineered by design, protected by politicians and politics, funded by your sweat.

How long do you have to work every day

to pay for just the fraud?

I mean,

it is getting to the point to where

it's obscene. And honestly, if I don't start seeing people go to jail, I said this,

I'm going to start saying this every day here for the next couple of weeks.

I said at the beginning of the Trump administration and when they appointed Pam Bondi,

I'm not going to give Pam all the room she needs

for a year because you just don't throw prosecutions together okay

but I have seen these investigations going on now for a year I have seen these investigations going on in Congress for

what two years

It was happening during their, the last Trump administration, and it's happening now.

I've seen Congress do all of these investigations. I haven't seen a single person go to jail.

What the hell are you spending my money on?

Are you just chasing smoke?

Because that's what it seems like. Except you keep coming out and saying, oh my gosh, look at this, look at this, look at this.
But I never see a name attached to it.

And that name also attached to an indictment.

And I'm sorry, but on the year anniversary,

I'm going to start coming after Pam Bondi and the DOJ

because enough is enough. How much time do you need? There's obvious problems here

on multiple fronts, not just this. And I am really happy to see the DOJ and everybody else come after, for instance, those who are guilty in Minnesota.

I want to see jail time.

You've taken a billion dollars of the taxpayers' money and you have just given it away and in many cases to terrorists.

You've taken literally food out of the mouth of children. You have taken money that was supposed to go for kids with autism and you've sent it over to Somalia to al-Shabaab.

I don't know. I think some people should go to jail.
And I am not happy if it's just the people who are at the low end.

I want to see the names that excused it, that covered it up. Because you don't get away with a billion-dollar heist.
And this is one. That's just one.

You don't get away with these without protection high above. Okay.

So let me go back to what the GAO found here. This is not Minnesota.
This is another case. Okay.
This is Obamacare.

Every fake identity submitted in 2024 was approved. 18 out of 20 fake people were still getting subsidized coverage coverage the following year.
So they got coverage the first year.

They still were getting coverage the next year. One social security number, just one.

was used for the equivalent of 71 years of coverage in one single year.

So

they got coverage that you would, it would take you 71 years to be able to amass.

They got it in one year. That's one social security number.
66,000 social security numbers received subsidies, didn't match a single living person.

66,000, 58,000 matched Social Security death records. So 66,000 didn't exist.
58,000 did exist, but they were now dead. God rest their souls.
They didn't need health insurance. Okay.

There's upwards of 6 million people who aren't actually within the income category that they're claiming credits, you know, as if they were in that income category.

Yeah,

I don't make enough money, so I should get this. Oh, really? Except you do make that amount of money.

In certain states, there are three to four times as many people enrolled in 100 to 150% of the poverty poverty rate

in those zero-dollars plans.

There's three to four times as many people enrolled in those states that actually exist in those states. Three to four times.

How do you make that error? How do you get, how does this happen?

So these COVID credits have just produced upward of $27 to $30 billion in fraud. This is just in Obamacare.
That's it.

Oh, but

this is going to reduce your payments. No, it didn't.
In fact, now it's just pushing us deeper and deeper into debt, just in a different way than we projected. Okay? It's not about health care.

This is about national survival or national suicide. Which do you choose?

This is about a government program that is so unbelievably bloated, so politically insulated, that it's become impossible to distinguish fraud from function.

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Okay, America, you're being milked, you're being gamed and weaponized, and not by ordinary Americans, but by the architects of these programs. I'm convinced.

They expanded it, they insulated it, and they refused to put any kind of guardrails on it because,

you know, it might undermine access.

Was that really your motivation?

Because that translates to...

Fraud is acceptable, you know, as long as it keeps the political machine alive. Okay.

The Democrats removed all income caps because why shouldn't millionaires get subsidies? They insisted on zero premium plans because zero dollars always invite zero accountability.

And when the Republicans said, hey, we should tighten this up a bit, how dare you stand in the way of progress? You just want to see children starve.

Well, apparently they're going to starve in Minneapolis. Because you just built the kids and took their food programs, took that for a billion dollars.
You're going to stand in the way of progress.

Progress for whom? Honestly, for whom? For the woman in Nebraska paying $1,800 a month for her premium in Obamacare? For the dad in Texas whose deductible is now higher than his mortgage?

Is that progress?

Or was the progress actually for the insurance companies pocketing tens of billions in taxpayer money while Congress argues about who's compassionate and who's not?

This is moral rot disguised as compassion. It's a system that can't tell a citizen from a corpse.

And they pretend to care about the vulnerable? How? How do you even know who's vulnerable? That person's dead. They're not vulnerable anymore.

A system that approves 100% of fake applicants is not helping people. It's feeding itself.
A system that rewards fraud. while punishing honesty stops being a safety net and becomes a trap.

One we built, one we funded, and ones they refuse to dismantle or even look at. And here's the real danger.

When a government becomes this incompetent, when bureaucracy becomes this unaccountable, when trillions of dollars are moving through systems that nobody is monitoring, fraud's not the exception.

Fraud becomes the operating model. And we are seeing this time and time again.

We're funding our own destruction. And the real question that we should be asking here, is this incompetence

or is this the design? Because I don't think it's incompetence. I don't.

We have seen it over and over again, your tax dollars going to NGOs that are using that money, your tax dollars, to dismantle our country or create a color revolution.

And quite honestly, if it's not a color revolution, perhaps it's just simply cloud and pivot and overwhelm the system.

Force that system to pay out as much as it can so you can collapse the system.

We know that's a plan. We know that's a plan the Democrats have adopted.

Why aren't we talking about this? Why are we just talking about fraud at the local level? Why aren't we looking at what the real motivation was and getting the real bad guy? Glenn Beck.

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You got to ask yourself, why were the Democrats so unbelievably out of their mind

when Elon Musk came in and started making cuts? When he started going through with AI and said, let's just go through the budgets. Let's just look at where money is going.

When they cut

the

USAID, why do you think they went crazy? Because that money was all being funneled to GAOs or even to

NGOs. It was all going to NGOs.

It was going to fund our destruction.

When he started going through the budgets, they had to get him out. They had to stop this from happening because of the fraud we're now seeing.

If you just joined us, we were talking about the new Obamacare findings from the GAO that shows billions of dollars of fraud that was happening.

This is going to set you off

even a little bit more.

Jason is with me, chief researcher. Jason,

help me out because it seems as though I've heard this exact story from the GAO before. True or false?

True, unless you're reading a story from 25 or 2015 or 2016.

Are you? Yeah, no. Oh, this is new today.
Today, this is new today. Oh, okay, okay.
I'm just confused because these are the exact same findings the GAO had in 2015, 2016. This is absolutely insane.

We just pulled this up. It is literally word for word almost the same findings they give me the 2016.
Here's the here's the 20, let me see if I can pull it back up. Let me give you the 2020 findings.

Okay.

Government Accountability Office

said that

every single one of the fictitious

people that were submitted names, 100% of them were approved. Not only were they approved, they were renewed year after year.

And

also there were dead people, like lots of dead people, people that didn't exist

at all.

We're looking at 66,000 Social Security numbers that didn't match any real living people. 58,000 matched Social Security death records.

6 million people who are not even in the categories they claim to be in the categories, and they're getting tens of thousands of dollars each of them. Three or four times as many people enrolled in

100 to 150 of poverty

into these zero plans. They're not in those income tax brackets.
They're not eligible for that money, but they were still getting it. $27 to $30 billion in fraud.
That's today's story.

What's the 2016 story? 2016 story, GAO did the exact same thing in 2015 for the re-enrollment period.

15 fictitious applications were submitted. All were approved for coverage and subsidies.
All.

They were approved coverage even when no documents were requested or only fake documents were submitted. And not only this, but it's set to just,

it's like the bad subscription that you have that you have no idea that you had, you know, five years ago. It just automatically keeps going.

Same thing.

Even though you're supposed to file tax returns to show that all your numbers are still lining up, well, these are fictitious people, so they couldn't obviously free file their tax returns.

It didn't matter. It still re-auto-enrolled them, and we have paid for this.
Exactly what this report today said.

What a coincidence. Why does the GAO even bother doing these because no one acts on them?

Why?

You know why. Yeah.
You know why, and I know why.

This is, you know, when a government becomes this incompetent and unaccountable, your country starts to

completely fall apart. Okay.

And

we see Democrats now rushing to the microphone to defend the perpetrators.

You know, the judges that are reversing verdicts to protect the people who stole from you.

I contend that the people that are rushing to the microphones to defend it are the people who have been covering this up. And you see brainwashed Americans.

I'm sorry, but if you can't, if you're not outraged by this amount of fraud, I don't care who did it.

If you're not outraged and you don't want all of these people to go to jail, you're so brainwashed, you are, you're actually defending the people who are stabbing you in the chest every day.

How is that possible?

I mean,

it's like you have Stockholm syndrome. And And, and the question is, it's not incompetence, is it? Or is it design?

This is how republics fall apart. Okay.

Not for an invasion, although we have that going on. Not with, you know, just internal, uh, internal strife, which we have going on, not just with financial collapse, which we have going on,

but also with internal corruption, which we have going on, defended by the same people who lecture you about morality, and they're handing out money, your money, to imaginary citizens.

And then they have the balls to come and say, if you don't extend these subsidies,

all these people are going to lose coverage. Good.

Good.

Let's have the dead people that you're paying lose that coverage and use that money that you've just blown and give to your friends or your NGOs. Let's use that money to cover the subsidies.

What do you say? How about that as a compromise? Stop the fraud. Stop the fraud.

And, you know, I mean, I just,

is this theft? Is this compassion? Is this incompetence? Is it design?

Because Obamacare is not about care. It's not.
It's not about health care. All of this is about the future of our country, and our country will not survive if we continue to normalize this stuff.

If incompetence is just expected. Oh, well, that's the government.
They lost another $40 billion.

If accountability is optional and only you are held accountable, but never anybody who's in the system,

then we don't have a system. We have a system of oppression.
We have a system of theft. We have a corrupt system.
It doesn't get better from here, gang.

Unless you stand up, it's not going to get better for, and it's broken. We all know it's broken.

Washington knows it's broken and they want it to stay broken because broken systems can be controlled, manipulated, exploited for whatever they want.

But broken systems can also be fixed.

If people stand up and go, you know what? No more. No more.
Not with my money. Not in my name, not with my country.
No.

That's why I started the show saying, you know, come January,

when the one-year anniversary goes on, if I don't see people actually with indictments that are going to jail,

all hell is coming to this program.

All hell is coming to this program. And I'm going to bring it to a doorstep in Washington, D.C.

Pam Bondi, you should know I've been silent. I have been as supportive as I can be.
But if I don't see prosecutions of people, and I don't mean nameless people, I don't mean the little guy,

just the Somalian,

I want to see the people who were in power that covered this up, because that's the real problem. You can get one Somalian, you can put that one Somalian in jail, but you know what happens?

They're replaced with another Somalian, or another Italian, or another American, or another Mexican or another just, here's an idea, human being.

Because human beings, when they think they can get ahead without getting caught or paying any price, they'll do it.

And if you have people in power that want to get ahead and they're in on the corruption and they're excusing all of this and they never pay a price because the one Somalian will pay the price, it's not going to get better.

You know, maybe it's time for the living to remind those who give health care to the dead who actually runs this country.

This country,

it's my country. It's your country.
It's a country of the people who voted unlike I voted. It's the country of Democrats and Republicans and Independents.

you love the country

if you're trying to bilk the country destroy the country, tear the country down, if you want to build a more perfect nation, then it is your country.

Even if we disagree on virtually everything other than I want to build a more perfect nation that frees more people using the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, then it's your country too.

But you're either part of the solution or part of the problem. And I see far too many people that are part of the problem.
And many of them are in Washington, D.C.

In fact, I think most of them are in Washington, D.C. You know, you wouldn't have a problem with whole communities just starting to bilk people, steal a billion dollars.

Do you think that just happened? No, that was somebody who was like, you know, you can game this system.

And they gamed it so hard. And they were like, look at this is a free, this is, they're printing money.
It's so free and nobody's not saying anything.

It's so clear I'm bilking the system and nobody's saying anything. We can get away with this.
And then another person joins in and they're like, oh my gosh, look at this.

And before you know it, you have a whole community because no one was held accountable.

And why? In the Somali community, it's because Waltz and others,

they can't say anything about the Somali community. And it's not because they're afraid of the Somali community.
It has nothing to do with Muslims. It has everything to do with votes.

They need that community. You're not going to be governor if you don't have the Somali community.
So you dare not say anything. How racist is that?

Don't tell me I'm racist for pointing out that some Somalians are

coming from a country that this is the norm.

Their country, Somalia, it is the norm.

This is the way it works, corrupt government. This is how people bilk the system.
Okay? They come over here and because you don't want to say anything about them, because why?

I mean, gee, they won't vote for me.

How racist is it that you just think because they're Somalians, they want to live in corruption? Maybe they don't. And maybe those who do should go to jail or go back to Somalia.

When are we going to start hearing this? from people who will actually do something about it.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing from people in Washington saying, We're going to do something, we're going to do something. You know what? You elect me.
What the hell is Congress?

I've got to rant on Congress later. Oh my gosh, the stuff that they're doing.

I am so sick of the GOP

telling me that they're going to do something, and then what do they do?

Well, we're doing an investigation. Well, you know what? After this next election,

bull crap. Man, was I close to saying something other than crap? Bull crap.
I am so sick and tired of hearing it. You and the GOP,

your time is running out.

People that have voted for you, who have supported you, who have done everything they could to make sure you were elected, we're sick and tired of it.

We want action. We don't want another bill that says, oh, you know what?

It's a super special day because we're doing X, Y, and Z. I want to see actual action on things that actually matter.
Good God, man, the Republic is at stake. What have you been doing?

And I know there are good congressmen. I know there are good senators out there that are beating.
They're saying the same thing I'm saying. There are those, I know them.

They're saying the same thing I'm saying. I just want to put the people at the top of the party at notice.

We're done with you. You've had a year.
There's been some great progress in the White House. I've never seen a year like this.

I've never seen as much progress as this president has made in nine months.

Except I haven't seen any progress, it seems, in corruption.

In weaponization.

I haven't seen any progress in that. And I don't know if you know this, but if you don't start making progress, you don't deserve to be reelected.
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Yesterday, Rubio

was talking about the dangers of radical Islam. This is a really, really important thing that you need to hear.

You know, I think we have a very short period of time to fix this. If we lose the next election, we lose the House or the Senate, none of this is going to be fixed.

We've got to pay attention to this right now.

And so we're going to because

the development in Texas, you know, they just renamed it. It's now the meadows.
It's not epic. It's the meadows.
What could possibly... Everybody loves a meadow.

Yeah, not one with machetes in it for my hands or my head.

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Here's Rubio talking about the dangers of radicalized Islam.

Ultimately, all radical Islamic movements in the world identify the West writ large, but the United States in particular, as the greatest evil on the earth.

And every chance to have the notion that somehow radical Islam would be comfortable with simply controlling some province in Iraq or Syria is just not borne out by history.

Radical Islam has shown that their desire is not simply to occupy one part of the world and be happy with their own little caliphate. They want to expand.

It's revolutionary in its nature. It seeks to expand and control more territories and more people.
And radical Islam has designs openly on the West, on the United States, on Europe.

We've seen that progress there as well.

And they are prepared to conduct acts of terrorism, in the case of Iran, nation-state actions, assassinations, murders, you name it, whatever it takes for them to gain their influence and ultimately their domination of different cultures and societies.

That's a clear and imminent threat to the world and to the the broader West, but especially to the United States, who they identify as the chief source of evil on the planet.

The reason why they hate the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the leadership of the UAE of Bahrain, is because they've allowed the United States to partner with them. That's why they hate them.

They consider them infidels for it. They hate Israel.
But they also hate America, and they hate anywhere in the world that we have influence. They seek to attack it, including here in the homeland.

If you look at the domestic terrorists, at the attacks that have happened here domestically, the overwhelming majority of them have been inspired by radical islamic viewpoints and that includes the shooting in the poltz nightclub in orlando florida that includes the saudi pilot in pensacola my home state two attacks

okay so i i want to i'd like to propose that we stop calling it radical islam

because it's not radical islam it's political islam there is religious islam And I know a lot of religious Muslims that are good people. Okay.

I don't put them in the same category because they don't want Sharia law. That's political Islam.
It's not radical. It's what happens all over the world.
It's not radical. It's political.

How many times, do you remember when the, if you're my age, when the wall came down and we finally got to converse with Russians?

And we always thought, me growing up, I always thought, oh, the Russians, you know, it's all, it's Vladimir. Vladimir is here and look, he's spying.
Natosha, let us spy and kill all Americans.

Okay, that's what we thought when we were kids.

That's not who the Russians were. The Russians were good people.
They were decent people. They wanted the same kinds of things that we wanted.

We don't agree on everything, but they just want to be left alone, let their kids, raise their kids, have a chance at some success and, you know, and retirement. Just leave me alone.

Most of us are like that. What happens is our politicians get in the way

the politicians the political systems are the ones that are the problem

we don't call it radicalized communism it's communism okay it's a political philosophy this is a political philosophy political islam it's not radical it's just a political philosophy and that political philosophy just like communism wants to dominate the world Unlike communism, political Islam is so incredibly arrogant, it's inevitable to them.

Why? Birthrates.

That's why. Birth rates.
And they think we're stupid. And you know what? So do I.

I think we're stupid too. Come on, man.
You know, right? Are we not stupid? You look over at Europe.

Are the grand Europeans that colonize the whole world and are abusing everyone because they're so sophisticated and so powerful and everything else

really are they because look how dumb they're being right now with their own countries in Europe they're they're committing suicide and so are we

now there's this development that is happening in Texas

let me let me give you an interview a piece of an interview done by a Muslim developer of Muslim communities

and

and how and how it actually works listen to these 35 seconds of this interview the way what we're doing brother um like you cannot make it exclusive like non-Muslims not allowed not allowed what we're doing there's something called association fee I don't know what it's called in Dubai like your maintenance fee that you pay yearly to cutting the service fee to cut the grass to remove the snow and whatnot so that service fee will put there 75% of the service fee you're paying goes to the masjid.

So, they will try you not want to come automatically. If you are a practicing Christian, I would advise you: why help the Muslims, you know?

The Muslims do their own thing, right? So, this is the way we're gonna put the clause. And our attorney already put it there.

So, this is the way they manipulate the Kafars. The Kafars are you,

the non-Muslim people,

the

infidels.

And

they they are manipulating because, ha, ha, ha, ha, and why would you do that? That's how they make it an exclusive Muslim community.

Okay.

And what do you get in those Muslim communities? I want to take you back to 2015.

I had been in

Irving, Texas. My studios are in Irving, Texas.
And

I had been there for maybe three years.

And it's the most diverse zip code in all of America, which is a great thing.

Except it's also becoming very, very Islamic. And that is totally fine as long as we're not talking political Islam.

Unfortunately, we are.

And the religion teaches that you can lie to an infidel. You can lie if it helps Islam.
Okay.

So

I had a couple of imams from the Dallas area come in from

where all of this is happening. And I just sat them down and we just had a great conversation.
I want you to listen to this, what

finally came out of the mouth of one of the imams. Listen to this.
I am here. I'm sorry to say it.
Back to the first point. I am here to discuss issue with Islamic Tribunal.

So please don't grab us to another situation. Maybe

we are ready for any. No, I know that.
I think we had a good

point.

We are ready for any point to the discussion with. But

the main point here we are, the reason we are here to discuss this issue, what kind of cases Islamic tribunal handle.

And you start with the Sharia. And what Sharia, why the people afraid from Sharia? I'm sorry to say it, one point related to this.

A cuthead is not just in Sharia law, just in Islamic Islamic law, it's everywhere. Who said that just in Islamic law? That's even another Sharia in Jewish Sharia, in Christian Sharia, in American here

we cut head for some reason. So I'm asking you an easy question.
If anyone kills another, he should get killed by law, by Islamic law, by governor,

he should get killed.

What is the wrong with that? If a thief

jumps, I'm sorry, to your house, scare your wife, scare your children, scare your neighbor, and they did that with our stores.

This is the law, the law to cut his hand. Because if he feels my hand will cut because of that, he will think about this hundred times.
He will never do it.

And if he do that one time, he will never do it again. Look how many millions of dollars American here on other states or other states outside spend for

to keep the criminal in jail or a lot of millions of dollars. We can't save that.
Just let him go. And that's it.

Because he did something wrong in the whole community and they scared the whole community. Why not? So, back please to the point, Islamic tribunal.
Yes, we never deal with anything of that.

We don't have authority for that. We don't have power for that.
But I want to make sure that

you're okay. You seem to be okay with that if you had the power for that.

But you don't have the power.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

As Imam said, we have a system. We are very organized people.

If,

sorry, for this example, La Qaddar Allah, somebody killed my dad. I shouldn't kill him.

I have to take this case to the judge. And the judge have told the governor.
This is a system, procedure I have to follow. So it is not like this one calvis, let's

get him killed. No, no way.

We have very,

I give you just an easy example for leader Omar ibn al-Khattab. This is after Prophet Muhammad, bespeak upon him.
He sent one to Yemen and he told him,

before he leaves, he asked him always as a habit, what did you do if

the people bring a thief for you? He said, I will cut his hand.

Okay, he said, you do that. Okay.
Omar said,

after Prophet Muhammad,

after Abu Bakr and the Prophet Muhammad, he said, okay, if one person came with me without work,

unemployed, I will cut your head. Because he has no job.
So

if you

rob something from the store or grab something from here to eat, nothing happened to you.

So, but if you have your job and you enough income and you take care about your children and you have house and you have car and you

rubber from any store or thing from here or there. You have so this is the law.
But please, the point which Sharia I ask people, we are not here to do that at all. It is not our authority.

It is not our power. It's not our job.
We have specific people. You gotta stop.
You gotta stop. Okay.
This is amazing to me.

Because you hear how passionate he is about how logical that is.

I mean, you just have to do it. I mean, that's, I mean, it makes sense to everybody.
We just cut your head off or we cut your hands off.

And the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, I mean, he is, he's preached this forever. And I mean, it just works.
It just works. Of course, we wouldn't want to do that, but this just works.

I mean, let me tell you about it again.

Really,

really, you don't want that to happen because you're in the United States, but you're cool with it everywhere else. Everywhere else.
But here it's different.

But my religion, which requires me to say, peace be upon him, after I mention the Prophet Muhammad,

my religion, which is extraordinarily well-defined,

it has these laws in political Islam that must be done because the Quran requires it in political Islam. But we're not going to, we're, I mean, yeah, we've got our own little laws going on now.

We've got our courts, but we're never going to go that far.

Wait, wait, but you believe in political Islam? Of course I do. But you're not going to do it.
Of course not.

But the Quran commands you to do it. Of course it does.
And you follow every dictate in the command? Of course I do, but not that one. Come on.

Come on. Does anybody really believe that?

Now, that does not mean Muslims believe that. Many Many do.

Many do not. Many, the ones who do not are the ones who have lived under it and escaped here and want a different kind of Islam.

And by us just turning a blind eye to this, because they know how it happens, they saw it in their country.

They don't want it happening here.

You know, we just take care of things like marriages. Oh, so when a guy says, I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce divorce you, you're divorced and she loses everything.

Oh, you mean the kind if she wants to testify against her husband on adultery, she has to have two witnesses plus her

because her voice and one other person as a witness does not equal him because she's not equal to a man.

Oh, okay.

All right, but you have that one and that's okay. No, it's not okay.
It's not okay. It's not okay.
It shouldn't be okay in any Western country. Period.
Should not be okay.

Unfortunately, we're all turning a blind eye to it. Tonight, I've got a special coming on.
I'll tell you about it here in a second. We're taking this on.

We're going to show you what's happening over in Europe.

And we're going to talk to somebody who's from England who says some frightening things because he just came to Texas and he was visiting in Texas. What did he see?

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So

here's why you need to understand what is happening, especially if, I mean, you're living anywhere in America, but Texas is blind to what's coming their way and it's out of control.

And I'll show it to you tonight.

If you've heard of Epic City,

it's this giant Muslim community and

Greg Abbott started looking into it because they're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

It's, you know, it'll become a no-go zone. Absolutely become a no-go zone.
Now, that is if you believe

that the

cleric behind all of this is

not a man of his word, okay?

Because here's, we have tapes of him preaching hatred and homophobia and Holocaust denial,

openly calling for the execution of gay people and adulterers, calling the Holocaust a hoax.

He said that Jewish people have infiltrated the religious departments of all American universities in a bid to destroy Americans.

And

he is,

you know, he's also, you know, he's also cool with, you know, killing homosexuals. Quote, this is a part of our religion to stone the adulterer and to kill, by the way, the homosexual.

This is also our religion. Okay.

Do we do this in America? No, we're not allowed to do this in America. You know that.
But I'm saying if we did have an Islamic state, we would do this now. That's on tape.

Now, he has come out later and said, oh, that was in my radical days. I'm not a radical anymore.
I'm not like that.

I, you know, that part where I said, if we had the chance to do it, we wouldn't do it now, but we would do it if we had the Islamic State. He's changed his mind.

I don't know what has changed his mind because that goes against everything he's preaching as a political Islamic cleric.

But, you know,

I'm sure we take him at his word. I'm sure he's a changed man.

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Find all the details at Glenbeck.com.

Welcome to the Glenbeck program. I was at Mar-a-Lago last night.

I've been trying to help raise funds for several organizations. I've been speaking at several fundraisers at Mar-a-Lago

over the last couple of weeks. And

it's an amazing thing to see how many people are just deeply, deeply engaged in saving our nation. And, you know,

you know, our

life,

our fortune, and our sacred honor comes to mind.

The dedication of people. Last night I was there for the American Journey Experience, which is an offshoot of Mercury One.
It is our history

section.

And we announced that we are building a museum, a brick-and-mortar museum.

We begin

early next year.

And

we had some really exciting things to say about that. And we'll give you updates on that as it goes.

But we would love to have your, you know, right now you can come into part, you know, a very small museum. I think we have, I don't know, maybe 10,000 square feet.

I think our vault is 5,000 square feet. And, you know, we invite people in to see some of the things, but it's really by invitation only, or if you call Mercury One, you can get in.

but we're going to open up an actual museum

and it's not just the museum

it's also a teaching center and so we were talking about that last night and I last night I introduced for the first time George AI

the interaction that I had with AI now remember this is proprietary technology and information this is based on the library that we have, which is the third largest collection of founding documents in the world, only behind the National Archives and the Library of Congress.

And it's all original sources. So it's all the writings of the founders,

all of the writings that influenced them, that we know from their writing, they read this or they were basing these things on these different items.

It's the Federalist Papers. It's all of the documents.
It's all of their letters to each other. it's their personal writings, it's the Bible, it's Blackstone's law, it's all of the things

that they had access to that influenced them in a positive way to build America. And

we have George, which is the librarian, and George is going to be a

system that will be able to give you answers to things

and show you the actual documents, but it'll be able to speak to you in your own language. If you try to read the founders now, it's so hard because they were so smart.

They're using words that I'm like, I don't even know what that means.

And

when you read the founders, you usually have to read it with a dictionary side by side.

It's difficult. And their language is so formal.

So it's hard for us to relate to them. But all of the knowledge, this deep, deep knowledge is there from these guys.
Literally, they wrote, I try to remember, was it George Washington or Thomas?

One of them wrote at a 70th grade level, the 70th grade, you know.

And so they're just way advanced, way advanced.

We put all of this information into our own system. This is an AI system built by me and my team.

And it has pretty much like, if you will, an electric fence around it. It cannot go and pull information from the outside and mix it with the information from the inside.

So it can go and we can import things and say, hey, I want you to look at this bill and tell me, is this bill even constitutional? What would the founders say about this bill?

And it will look at that bill and then it will go through all of their

discussions and everything else, everything that is in that AI system memorized from start to finish, which stops hallucinations. And it will analyze that bill, or it will analyze that story.

Or you can say, hey, I want my kids to understand the Bill of Rights.

In George AI right now, is, I don't even know how many thousands of sermons there are from the pulpits that were the churches where these guys attended, because almost everything in the Declaration and Bill of Rights came from the pulpits.

And it's amazing when you read some of these sermons that these guys gave. It'll be on, you know, the right to life, liberty, and property.
I mean, that'll be the sermon.

And today it'd look, everybody would be like, oh, I can't say that from the pulpit. We have all of these sermons that our laws were based on, these ideas were based on.

And so you can ask him anything. And so when you sit down for the very first time and you're going to talk to George Washington or, you know, a reasonable facsimile of him,

what do you ask him?

My question was, we fed in all of the conditions of what's happening in America today.

And

I wanted to have a conversation. And here's a bit of the very first conversation with George A.I.
Listen.

George, we have programmed a lot of information and given you a lot of information on what's going on in today's America.

Based on your writings and the writings of the rest of the founders, what is it that you feel is the biggest problem or where we should start to fix things?

If I may, speak plainly.

My countrymen, the danger, the greatest danger to our republic lies not in foreign arms or political faction, but in medicine.

I was going to interrupt you for a second. Could you just dumb it down just a little bit? Okay.
I do have 29 points, and they're all referenced to exactly what we said in the first place.

Speak in today's language. Okay, okay.
I get it.

Let me speak to Americans.

If I'm honest,

America's biggest problem isn't political or economic.

It's all moral. You've drifted from the virtues that make liberty possible in the first place.
Freedom. To be free, you have to have discipline.
You have to have faith. You have to have character.

And if you don't have any of those things, laws, laws can't stop anything. They mean little.
Government turns either weak or oppressive.

You

have grown skeptical of truth. You're reckless with debt.
You're comfortable blaming instead of building anything. And in my time, we've understood that self-governance begins with self-control.

Do you even recognize what self-control is?

Public virtue matters more than public opinion.

You keep electing these people, expecting things to change, but you haven't changed. The fix is not going to be found in Washington, D.C.

It's going to be found in every home, every school, every heart.

You know, where are the citizens who value duty over comfort, principle over popularity? America was built to be a moral and self-governing nation.

It's only that foundation that will still save her.

Beginning January 5th on The Torch, you'll find information at Glennbeck.com. You'll notice he started speaking Because this is what you will see.

At the beginning, I will have to do the interviews with him because compute power is so expensive. And we'll ask you to write in.
In fact, you can do it now.

Thetorch at Glennbeck.com. What would you like to learn from the founders? What would you like your children to learn from the founders?

Would you like a podcast from the founders on the Bill of Rights or the Federalist Papers or whatever?

What would you ask if you could ask the founders a question? What would you ask them?

At the beginning, because of compute power,

we will be feeding those in and then producing and rolling out every day

different podcasts or answers or whatever from George AI.

I pray and I hope and I'm...

I have pretty good advisors on what we're going to be able to do. And it depends on how many people are using it.
And

if we get people to help us

in support,

compute power, the cost of it will go down

and we'll be able to

afford bigger amounts of compute.

And you'll be able to, hopefully, within the first year, you'll be able to have a one-on-one conversation like I just did. Have a one-on-one conversation.

And you'll notice at the beginning, he came out and because this is the way they are they're trained it's trained to give you the actual verbiage and when he said i have 29 points he believe me because we edited there he went on uh and oh my gosh uh it gets tedious but he has the 29 points he can show you the documents and it's all in his language or you can do what i did and say

Just speak in today's language. Dumb this down.
I'm trying to, this needs to be understood by an eight-year-old

and it will continue to adjust. You'll eventually, hopefully in the first year in 2026 for the 250th anniversary,

you will be you'll be able to

say, I have a 15-minute

commute, and I'm taking my kids to school every day, and it takes me 15 minutes to drive them to school. And they need to understand whatever it is.
They need to understand civic responsibilities.

They need to understand the responsibility part of our rights, whatever it is.

Can you develop a podcast? I need them to understand the Bill of Rights. So I'd like to do it in the next 10 days.

And it needs to be no longer, each episode needs to be no longer than 14 minutes. So you get in the car and it's 14 minutes.
Eventually, when it is coming to you live, it will ask you questions.

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it will then rejigger the next podcast. So, the next time you're in the car going to and from school, it will adapt to you to be able to go back and teach it more clearly, and it will learn you.

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Allie, welcome to the program. How are you?

Doing well. How are you?

I'm really good. I'm really good.

Good. It is amazing to me how

this

the awareness of this Islamic takeover of the West, how quickly it is spreading and how quickly people are waking up.

I don't know about the politicians, but the average person is really starting to wake up to this, don't you think?

Absolutely.

And of course, we've been warning about this for years, but I think a lot of people are just seeing it infiltrate their neighborhoods, that there's mosques where there used to be churches or where there used to be office buildings.

There are people wearing hijabs in their elementary schools and middle schools. There are fewer people celebrating Christmas and Hanukkah around them.

And you're told that you're not allowed to notice this and you're certainly not allowed to care about this. There's no such thing as American culture.

You can't care about sharing these celebrations with your neighbors, but people do care. It's very unsettling, and a lot of people are just finding the words and the courage to say something about it.

You know,

I don't have a problem with, you know, halal or koshering. I don't have a problem, but I do have a problem that my kids' school now has to only serve halal food.

I mean, it's like, wait, wait a minute, what?

What's up with that? And that's happening all over Texas where... Halal is your choice now.
And I just, I, I mean, can we have a conversation about this, please?

You know, that's all, I think that's what most people just want. Can we at least have a conversation about what's happening in our country?

Right. You know, I asked my Instagram followers, vast majority are women, probably 85% stay-at-home moms.
And when I asked this question, my followers were about 850,000 on Instagram.

And I just said, totally open-ended, wasn't looking for a particular answer. Hey, what is your biggest concern with America right now? I was just trying to come up with topics for my show.
The number

answer over and over again was the spread of Islamic dominance where they are living, in America, in the West.

This is very destabilizing for a lot of people, and they are seeing it not just affect people far off like we used to, but affects their own neighborhoods and their own schools.

And so, you know, usually politicians take a while to kind of wake up to what the populace is really scared of. We have seen some good action in Texas for sure, but this is a real problem.

And it's not just an illegal immigration problem, and that's the uncomfortable part of this. Like, this is a cultural issue.
This is an immigration issue in general.

So, we need the people in Washington and in Austin to come up with some good solutions for the people who are concerned about this.

You said that your audience is concerned because it affects them. How does it affect them?

Well, I think that they're scared of the violent crime that they've seen in places maybe in their own city, but certainly in places where Islam has dominated.

When we look at places like Dearborn, Michigan, when we look at our friends across the pond, that sexual crimes, that violent crimes all increase disproportionately when there is a large-scale importation of people from these Muslim-majority countries.

Doesn't mean that they're all like that. Doesn't mean that they can't be good neighbors.
But this is not only a cultural change.

This is not only a shift in how their neighborhoods look and feel and the celebrations had and things like that, but this also is potentially a threat to their own safety, especially the safety of their daughters.

And people care about that.

I was talking to somebody who was doing a podcast with somebody over in London yesterday. And

he was talking about this. And I said, you know, I'm not, you know, I don't follow the news all the time, you know, closely like I do in America about, you know, the United Kingdom.

But what I'm seeing coming out of Ireland, and when you think of Ireland, you think of a very Catholic country,

you know, or Protestant, a very Christian country. Right.

And they fought wars over their own Christianity. It is almost...
completely gone now.

You have to go to, you know, the way, way, way, way outskirts, you you know the northern part of the island to find that kind of community the irish have almost been completely wiped out there's there's very few churches left they're all being converted into mosques and you know okay well time passes etc etc but to not notice and not say

wait a minute That is the erasing of an entire people and their culture. And that culture is very important to the West.
Should we not care about that?

Right. Well, certainly progressives care about it when it comes to, you know, non-British or non-British countries or countries that are not America.

They call that colonialism. They call that imperialism.
But apparently, when Muslims do this, it's fine. But the problem was at first Islam.
The problem was secularization.

The lesson there is that secularism doesn't hold. Atheism, agnosticism don't hold.
People are looking for meaning, and eventually ideology in one religion will win.

And right now, Islam in a lot of countries is winning.

You know, you wrote a book on toxic empathy, and

I think it's a mistake on this one to say that it was empathy that we've gone down the road.

I think this is

especially if you look in Minnesota, they turn a blind eye to what's going on in

Minnesota, and I'll bet you in Michigan as well. Because if you don't have the Muslim population on your side, you're not going to be elected governor, you're not going to be mayor.

And so it's not empathy, it's all politics, which makes it even more grotesque.

But when I see us turning a blind eye to it,

we're now entering the time of

suicide. And those who are in power

the

doctors engaging in medical-assisted suicide for their country. They know what they're doing at this point.
They're just choosing their power and hold on to their power

for as long as they can. Do you think toxic empathy at this point is still playing a role in this Islamic,

you know, hostile political Islamic takeover?

Yeah, I absolutely do. Now, do I think that that's the case for Tim Walls or Jacob Frey or any of these cowards?

No, probably not. It's probably power.
It's fear, as you said. But for the average person, especially for the woman,

especially for the person who has been told that loving your neighbor means just accepting all forms of people, no matter what their behavior is, then yeah, I do think that people are more scared of Islamophobia or being called an Islamophobe than they are the Islamification of their neighborhood.

In fact, I think they think that their virtue is tied to how much they like halal and how much they accept

the building of mosques around their neighborhood. And so I do think that people feel so strongly that being exclusive or intolerant in any way is a sign of being a bad person

that they won't speak up because the immediate social incentive for speaking up against Islam or or against soft-owned crime policies or anything, it just doesn't exist.

The social incentive in the immediate is to be as progressive as possible. People respond to incentives.
So I think that's a big part of what's going on.

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Wow, that's not very empathetic, is it?

Right. That's exactly what he's talking about, is toxic empathy.
He's talking about our compassion as Americans being weaponized against us.

The The problem, I wouldn't have said it's a problem, but now it's kind of becoming a problem, is that for conservatives, we're thinking individually.

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I'll just, you know, take to the Benedict option and kind of be a recluse.

As long as my family is safe, as long as I can make money, as long as things are okay here, then I'll be fine. Well, progressives, for the most part, don't think that way.
They think collectively.

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And that's not really a fair fight when you have someone who is thinking in the big sense and we're thinking in the micro.

And so he's absolutely right.

And that is one weakness that we Christian and conservatives have, even if we're right in thinking that way, it's hurting us now, especially in ideology like Islam that means submission.

They're looking to conquer. And conservatives in general, we just haven't been thinking that way.

I was talking to a guy from the United Kingdom, and I said,

how close are you guys to civil war? I mean, I see what's going on and, you know, collapse. And it's, I mean, it's bad.
And he said, I think it's beyond saving,

but for God.

And what came to mind as he said that was, yeah, I agree with that, except

you've become a godless country. I mean, you know, the Church of England just raised the Islamic flag over the Church of England last week.
I mean,

what God is there?

Right. He said that there was a resurgence of faith, which would be great.

But how do we fix this, Allie?

Gosh, I pray to the Lord that that is true, that there is some kind of revival that we don't see.

It's important to know that God's works doesn't always make headlines it doesn't always go viral when it seems like he's just doing one thing he's actually doing a million things in the unseen and unsung work of just faithful believers that might not have radio shows or podcasts but they are doing God's work and so I pray to the Lord that that is true it is I can't imagine like a better signifier that you've been conquered than you know another ideology raising its flag over your territory I mean that is literally a sign you have been conquered but God but God can do anything and so we should pray.

He works through the prayer of believers. He works through the obedience of believers, the boldness of evangelism of believers.

We can't all change the world, but we can be faithful with whatever spot of eternity God has providentially placed us in to make it better for the glory of God, to share the gospel and to speak beauty and truth and goodness into whatever sphere we occupy.

That is the responsibility of a Christian. That is how God has moved mountains for over 2,000 years, and I think he will continue to.

Alibeth, thank you. God bless you.
Thank you very much.

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Also, don't forget, tonight, there is a civilizational war that's going on within the United States, and the rest of the world has ignored it. I mean, I've been shouting this since the chalkboard.

The Islamists and the socialists and the anarchists will all work together to overthrow stability. And they will start in the Arab world, then they'll go to Europe and then they'll come to America.

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Whatever happened to all those socialists?

You know, it was the Marxists and the socialists that helped bring the Ayatollah Khomeini back to Iran in 1979.

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All of the socialist Marxists. Yeah, they were all executed, rounded up, 30,000 of them rounded up, executed, or thrown in jail.
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So I first ran into Chris Rufo, I don't even know how many

lifetimes ago.

He was working for the City Journal and he was starting to uncover things and he just started doing investigations on things that he cared about.

And all of a sudden, he is one of the best investigative reporters out there.

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Write almost every single time.

And he is joining us at the Blaze. He is the host now of his own TV show, Rufo and Lomez.

And he's the guy who broke the story a couple weeks ago about the Minnesota taxpayers who are funding a terrorist group, Al-Shabaab.

I don't know. Is that a problem?

Can I ask you, am I more outraged?

And I haven't paid any Minnesota tax. Am I more outraged than the people in Minnesota?

I mean, I know there's, you know, it's Norwegians up there. And so they're, you know, Norwegians are like, yeah, sure.
I mean, you know,

they don't seem to get very excited about it. And they're very, you know, socialized and everything else.
They're very big heart, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And they don't seem to, you know, they're Swedish, Norwegian, you know.

But is there any point where they're outraged? Is there any point when they're like, you know what, this socialization thing is good, but not like this?

This This socialized, hey, let's help everybody, but not like this. I mean, you had a billion dollars taken from the taxpayers.
A billion

is, and I don't hear anything from the people of, I mean,

if your government, if you were taken for a billion dollars and your money, you knew was being taken away from children who need food,

they were faking all kinds of health issues for other children. And so taking money away from real autistic programs and then putting it in and sending it to a terror group.

Wouldn't you be kind of pissed? Because I know I would be. Are the people in Minnesota pissed about it? I don't know.

I mean, I don't think if it was my state, I don't think my governor would still be in the governor's office. But, you know, maybe that's just me.
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Chris, we were just talking about, I mean, first of all, thank you for not only this story, but all the stories and things that you have exposed over the years.

Thank you for doing all of the hard work and being credible the whole time.

Am I more outraged by this story than the people of Minneapolis? Because they don't seem to have a problem with it. Is it just me?

Well, it's even more bizarre, actually.

You're outraged about the proper thing to be outraged about, which is that a group that is a recent arrival, was permitted permitted kind of asylum, refugee status into the United States, has now systematically looted the treasury of the state of Minnesota.

But Minnesota politicians are also outraged, but they're outraged that we've noticed this and that we've called this out and that we're saying this is not okay.

And so you have the mayor of Minneapolis speaking in Somali, saying that he's gonna, you know, do whatever he can, do whatever he can to, you know, to shelter the Somali community from any criticism at all and I just find this

borderline suicidal and the Scandinavian kind of Scandinavian founding culture of Minnesota is just being systematically exploited and they seem to have no ability to even defend themselves against it

I mean what's happened to Sweden is happening in you know in in Minnesota it's just they take the kindness and the social is you know the socialized everything, and they just absolutely abuse it until there is nothing left.

And, you know, I don't,

let me ask a question, and I want to be really careful here because, you know, I, and I know you're not,

nobody is reasonably saying this, that all Somalis just want to rip us off. Not true.

I think there's probably a lot of people that wanted to get away from Somalia because it is an absolutely corrupt system. And now our politicians are just recreating what they had in Somalia.

And I can't believe that everybody from Somalia in Minnesota is for that.

But

when you look at where they came from, that is the way their government works. It is so rife with corruption.
Is this something that is being imported or is this just a handful of bad guys?

Well, it's a little bit of both. And as you said, we have have to be careful and precise in how we think about it.

But what's happening is that obviously not every Somali is participating in these fraud schemes, but it's true that many, many, many, an extraordinarily high percentage of people in the Somali community were participating in these schemes.

Prosecutors have told me that there are dozens of these schemes that have been perpetrated, and some of them are involving dozens and in some cases, hundreds of families.

And so we're talking about a very high percentage of the population but the the point is this related to immigration we always have had an immigration system that makes group level analyses and so somalis for example for many decades now have been given special privileges in america's immigration system they have special status for asylum for refugee programs and so we've rewarded somalis on the basis of a group identity and i think that it's totally fair to say, hey, wait a minute, we can't take everyone from around the world.

We have to prioritize by group. We can't judge every single human being around the world as an individual.
And the reality is that the Somali community is not coming as individuals.

They're coming as a community. And so you can say, you know, there are absolutely great people.

wonderful Somalis, the incredible Ayan Hirsi Ali is a Somali, incredible woman.

But the fact is, is that they're bringing the cultural systems from Somalia to the United States, and they're just fundamentally incompatible.

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And what I was looking for and hoping for was that Somali leaders would stand up and say,

What's happening in our community is wrong.

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they've gone just the opposite. They're promising that members of their community should have no criticism and should operate with impunity.

Pimwalls,

and even Mayor Fry, how do they survive this?

Here's the actual sad truth.

I know conservatives are waiting for the backlash to sweep away these corrupt leaders and these feckless and incompetent politicians, but there's something about liberal culture where no amount of chaos, corruption, crime, murder,

you know, theft can dissuade them from their core beliefs that our society is bad and as a form of penance or

kind of self-flagellation, we have to accept any amount of crime provided that it's committed by people who can check the identity boxes.

And so I'm actually pessimistic and skeptical of the idea that Minnesota voters are going to rise up and demand that this corruption stop.

You know, I remember Michelle Bachman came to my apartment when I was living in New New York City, probably about 2008, maybe nine.

And she sat me down and she said, Glenn, you've got to pay attention to what's happening with our State Department in Minnesota. And I said, what do you mean?

And she said, they're moving whole communities into

Minnesota. And she's like, and I said, communities, what do you mean? And she said, Somalis.
And I'm like,

why would they be moving to Minnesota? I mean, you come from Somalia.

What?

You miss being surrounded by feet of snow for six months out of the year.

And she said, no, she said, it is the State Department. It's like they selected, you know, Minnesota and moved people in as a community.
Was this, was this done?

I mean, I'm having a hard time separating like USAID.

I know what that is. We all know what that is.
This is corruption, and they knew exactly what they were doing. Is this incompetence just corruption? Is there planning involved in this? Is this,

you know, I hate America so much? Cloward and Piven kind of said, what is this?

So there's two arguments that have been floated to answer, in an attempt to answer this question. The first argument is that

the last knows how to gain power, and by importing dependent foreign groups into

the populace, they have a client that can provide them with votes in exchange for patronage, or in this case, corruption, and that this is a strategy to amplify their own domestic political power.

The other hypothesis and I think for me the more persuasive hypothesis is that this is just simple liberal naivete

and a kind of suicidal empathy as Ganzad calls it

where they are blind to the consequences of their own actions.

They judge on inputs rather than outputs. And for them the measure is how compassionate can they be.

And any imposition of limits or consequences is seen as a violation of core liberal principles. You know, it might be a combination of the two, but I don't, you know, again,

barring evidence that emerges, I would assume that it's more the latter than the former.

How do we know for sure that money went to al-Shabaab?

Great question.

I mean, first of all, there have been schemes over the last decade where counterterrorism officials tell me that every time they're looking at ISIS recruiting, al-Shabaab recruiting, radical Islamist recruiting, Minneapolis always shows up.

And in fact, it is really the epicenter of foreign terror recruitment in the United States of America.

But on the particular question of al-Shabaab, there is the testimony of multiple counterterrorism officials who told us, hey, some of this money is getting siphoned off and essentially taxed by the al-Shabaab terror network once it leaves the United States and goes into the Somali informal banking system.

But this is really not in dispute.

Even a left-leaning group like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies has long noted that al-Shabaab skims almost all remittance payments that travel through the country of Somalia.

And therefore, it stands to reason

If people are stealing from the Minnesota government, sending that money back to Somali through the Hawala remittance system, and al-Shabaab is taking their cut, we're talking about a significant amount of money, whether it's intentional or unintentional.

The end result is the same. Al-Shabaab is receiving American taxpayer dollars that were stolen and then routed through their networks.

So, how is this stopped? Because, I mean, it doesn't look like anything in Minnesota is going to happen.

How is this stopped? Because it feels honestly, and you would know better than I do, it feels like the tip of the iceberg.

I mean, you know, today the story from the GAO on Obamacare, and that's completely out of control. USAID, this is happening.
I mean,

tip of the iceberg. How do we stop this if our politicians won't do anything in the states?

Well,

there's two things that we can do. I think, first off, in this particular case, federal prosecutors have done a great job uncovering these Somali fraud rings and implementing prosecutions.

And so they really deserve enormous credit. But the federal government should do much more.

And I would recommend that health and human services and other welfare departments at the federal level stop all payments to Minnesota until they have a third-party audit, until they get their fraud under control.

And ultimately, you have to stop giving these people money if you want them to change their behavior.

And so I think a stop payment order on all federal funding to Minnesota programs where there are suspicions of fraud will help clean things up fairly quickly.

But the reality is that we have a system in the United States where it's always a third-party payer. Health insurance, welfare

programs, food stamps, autism services, whatever it might be. These are massive third-party payer programs.
The incentives are

not aligned with people actually enforcing the rules, and they become easy targets for fraudsters. And so Minnesota used to be famous for honesty, fair dealing, good government.
Oh, yeah.

And in just a short number of decades, their reputation has now been completely inverted. And it is,

by all accounts, from all of the research that I've done, I think this is likely the largest systematic welfare fraud scheme in American history.

And thus making it probably the world.

Chris, thanks for everything. I'm so glad that you're part of the blaze.
God bless you. Thank you for everything you're doing.
Thanks, Glenn.

You bet. Christopher Ruffo.
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Let me take you to the Somalian Minneapolis City Council member. Listen.

But now, President Donald Trump singling out and attacking one group of people and ISBN on our streets and asking people documentation.

It feels like we are in the 1930s, 1940s in Germany.

I never thought there would be a time where

I will tell my team to carry their passport around because

it's so true. In 1930s Germany, remember when they were rounding up all the Somali Muslims?

Oh, no, wait.

Oh, no, that didn't happen. And we're talking about Somalians that are committing crimes.