Ep 250 | 'Britain Is a Failed State': PM Truss BLASTS UK's Decline | The Glenn Beck Podcast

and now a blaze media podcast the shortest serving prime minister in british history says she wants to be part of the second american revolution pakistani rape gangs roaming the uk british man convicted for praying at an abortion clinic quietly himself just standing there the rise of islam across the continent you have to wonder is it too late Europe? It's quite a conversation we're going to have next. On the podcast, welcome former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Liz Truss.
How are you, Liz? I'm very well, thank you. It is great to have you here.
Great to be on. Yeah.
I want to start with just the weirdness of you being Prime Minister, how it happened that fast. You're in, you're Margaret Thatcher, they meant it in a bad way, and then you're out.
What happened? I think if you look at the run up to the leadership election, there was a group of conservative MPs who were determined to get Boris Johnson out of office. So that was the background.
So I was not expecting the leadership race to take place. And in fact, I was foreign secretary, I was traveling around the world and I was in Indonesia and I watched Boris Johnson resign on TV.
And I thought I have to put myself forward because I was so frustrated with the fact that the conservatives have been in government for 12 years, but they hadn't been conservative. We'd had massive immigration, the highest taxes for 70 years, energy was disastrously expensive because we hadn't done fracking, we'd killed our oil and gas industry.
So I wanted to fix those things, but it was very, very sudden. So I was campaigning on the hoof.

And the reason I won the leadership election was because the conservative base supported the policies I was advocating.

You know, being clear, a man is a man and a woman is a woman, getting on with fracking, cutting taxes.

But a lot of the conservative MPs, the ones who'd campaigned to get Boris out, did not support that.

Mm-hmm. cutting taxes.
But a lot of the conservative MPs, the ones who'd campaigned to get Boris out, did not support that. And that was the fundamental issue for me.
And given that I had campaigned to take on the blob, which is what you would call the deep state in America, which is a massive problem. I mean, you think you've got it bad in the US.
You ain't seen nothing. nothing i know you've been around for a lot longer than we have exactly the deep state has had longer to embed itself in britain but given that i wanted to take them on and that's what i did i didn't have the support of conservative mps to do that and that was the fundamental problem so when the bank of of England turned on me and essentially blamed me for their failings, what I found was the mainstream media conservative MPs were very happy to join in that chorus rather than back me up.
And that was the fundamental problem. I remember when you came in and then I heard you were out.
And because I was watching from, you know, I don't follow, you know, politics per se of, you know, everything in England, but I follow the leadership. And I'm seeing and hearing what you're saying.
And I'm like, this is, this amazing. This is maybe a return of common sense and England.

And when the Bank of England turned on you and blamed you for that,

I thought, I don't know if there's any hope for England. If you can't have somebody come in and say,

can we just look at the ledger?

Can we just look at what we're doing and just stop for a second? Is there, I mean, you've called England a failed state. It's profoundly, it was profoundly undemocratic what happened.
Because this is about somebody who was not elected, the governor of the Bank of England, blaming me, using the apparatus of the state to undermine me in collaboration with other officials across the government. There was constant leaking, constant briefing.
The mainstream media were used to put pressure on me. So if you look at what's happened since under this Labour government,

bond rates are higher under Rachel Reeves than they were under me.

So all of the things that happened in my tenure in office

have happened to a much worse extent under this Labour government.

But none of the people are kicking off.

The Bank of England has her back. You know, she's a former Bank of England employee.
The mainstream media don't want to question what's going on. And the issue is that Britain is heading for bankruptcy.
You know, they're predicting, you know, they, but the, the Treasury and the Office of Budget Responsibility, which is like our version of the CBO, the congressional budget office, they predicted that if she raised taxes, more revenue would come in. But surprise, surprise, the Laffer curve tells us that if you raise taxes too much, the revenues don't come in.
And that is exactly what is happening. It's what I predicted back in 2022, that if you raise taxes too much, the revenues don't come in.
And that is exactly what is happening. It's what I

predicted back in 2022, that if you raise taxes too much, people leave the country, businesses leave the country, people don't invest. And we now have the fastest rate of millionaires leaving Britain of any country in the world apart from China.
People are deserting our country. We've seen the last steel plant that produced steel from scratch closed down because our energy prices are so high.
So all of the things I was trying to change are now, you know, the chickens are coming home to roost. They're coming home to roost.
And it's just massively frustrating. But in answer to your question about can it be fixed, I do look at Argentina where I think things can go very, very, very wrong with a country.
And eventually people wake up. And I'd rather people woke up sooner rather than later.
Right. But it takes the backing of the people to be,

I mean, I'm a little nervous.

I mean, Trump has been very, very popular this time around,

and people are backing him.

Because he saw what happened last time.

So he came in.

He knew who his enemies really were.

Yeah, he knew who his enemy was.

And I'm now in a position to know that in Britain,

but I didn't know that clearly enough before I became leader. I didn't understand how corrupt they would be.
I didn't understand how brutally they would fight. I believed that I had a mandate and they would respect that and i did not understand but i understand that now and i think trump has benefited from being in in 2016 seeing exactly how the bureaucracy behave and this is why he's you know had a plan with all the executive orders flooding the zone trying to outsmart the enemy and i just simply didn't know that back in 2022 he didn't either he told me at 2016 he said when i went in last time i had i knew it was bad i had no idea how bad it was and i think it's been a blessing for america that he lost in 2020 because it gave us four years of seeing, oh my, it's even worse than we thought it was.
And it gave him time to back out and go, okay, I really want to assemble a team that I can trust and plan and then execute it. And it's been remarkable, but he didn't know either.
So when you go in and you are elected, you walk in to 10 Downing, what did you think you would find? And what did you find? Well, in some ways, I should have known better. Because I'd been a government minister for 10 years.
So I'd had all those battles in every department I was in. The environmentalist nutters in the environment department, the human rights lawyers in the justice department.
So I should have known that the bureaucracy was not on our side. But I always thought that it was because I was relatively junior and that there were instructions in some way coming from the prime minister and his team.
I sort of assumed that what I was experiencing was a political direction that Boris Johnson or Theresa May or David Cameron was imposing. When I got to number 10 and I saw the way that the bureaucracy behaved, and the first thing we did was we got rid of the permanent secretary to the Treasury, Tom Scholar.
And this is a bureaucrat who'd been there under Gordon Brown time. He presided over the stagnation of the British economy.
He was a massive europhile. He hated Brexit.
You know, this man had to go because he was part of the problem. But there was a massive backlash by the mainstream media, by the bureaucracy.
And what I found is that I didn't know who I could trust. Every single meeting leaked.
Within half an hour of me saying something, it would be in the press. So what I discovered, and then when we moved forward with the mini budget, which was getting on with fracking, keeping taxes low, making it easier to build, all the things that would get the British economy going.
We then face this Bank of England blaming me for the market crisis, which they'd caused by failing to regulate the pension industry. And they essentially forced me to reverse those measures.
And they said that if I didn't reverse those measures, there would be a debt crisis in Britain. We would not be able to fund our debt, and we would have to go to the IMF.
These are the same people, though, said that England would be wiped out if you left the EU. Of course.
Of course it's the same people. And the same people who say net zero you know all of these green green rules are going to help our economy when they're absolutely going to destroy us destroying destroying the economy but the point is the threat they made to me was credible because I'd seen the way they were able to orchestrate you know the markets being concerned they were able to orchestrate the markets being concerned, they were able to amplify that in the media.

They were using international figures.

I mean, Joe Biden criticized my budget.

There was criticism from the IMF.

You should have a T-shirt made with that.

Joe Biden criticized my budget.

He criticized it from an ice cream

parlor in Oregon, no less.

It's where he criticized

my budget from. It's funny.

What I found is

the IMF were making

comments about my budget,

overseas politicians.

It was a network.

It wasn't just the British

state. There was a network

of people who

believe in these

I'll see you next time. It was a network.
So it wasn't just the British state. There was a network of people who believe in these ideas, you know, wokeism, environmental extremism, big government, high taxation, open borders.
and they were amplifying all of these messages. So when I was threatened with the fact that I could be in the position that essentially the Labour government were in the 1970s when they had to go to the IMF cap and hand, I believed them because it was a credible threat.
How much influence, how much of that is coming from the World Economic Forum? Because it seems like that is, you know. That is clearly a breeding ground and a network node for people of those views.
So take Mark Carney. Now, Mark Carney was the governor of the Bank of England who printed money to a huge extent, creating inflation.
He was the one who created the pensions crisis in the first place by not regulating the pensions industry properly. He's been a champion of net zero.
He's now gone to be the prime minister of Canada. He's a World Economic Forum regular.
So you have people like that who move in these circles. They move in and out of the financial sector.
They are believers in the technocracy. They fundamentally believe that government should be run by experts who know best, which is them and their friends.
They do not believe that democracy is a bottom-up thing that should come from the people, be delivered by elected politicians, and those elected politicians get voted in and out according to whether or not they're delivering. That's the way things should work, but those people do not fundamentally believe that.
So I want to come back to the new Prime Minister of Canada here in a minute, but when you look at that system, I recently have wondered a couple of things. When J.D.
Vance comes over to Europe and gives a speech about freedom of speech um you know having some control over your borders etc etc all things that at any other time in world history everybody go you know that's common sense um not with hatred or anything else just i don't i i'm proud of my country that doesn't mean i think it's the greatest it's the greatest country and we've got to beat everybody else down, but I'm proud of my heritage. I'm proud of my country.
I'm proud of my history. In Europe, all of that is being destroyed.
It was being destroyed here as well. At some point, the people have had enough.
If the elites atop don't respond to those people, it never ends well. And you start to have the extremists rise up because if they won't listen, well, this Nazi over here, he'll listen to you.
I'll fix it for you. And you get these really wicked champions that some people will go to.
I'm very concerned that this doesn't end well for Europe and maybe England. It wouldn't have ended well for us.
If we wouldn't have had this opportunity to reset with Trump,

I'm not sure five years from now we would have been a United States. Because you can only ignore and abuse the population and lie to them over and over again, sell them out, in your case, give your country to what seems like is going to be an Islamic nation someday, maybe not too far away, you can only do that for so long before people say, no, I like England, I like America people already people already think that in britain so people voted for brexit they voted for boris in 2019 because they wanted control of our borders because they were proud of our country because they wanted to control their own lives you know they voted against the brussels.
I mean, the problem is they were replaced with British bureaucrats, so they still had bureaucrats. We had that with Republicans and Democrats.
They were interchangeable. You're like, they're not changing anything.
This is the problem, that whoever people vote for, the same people are still in charge. The Mark Carney's of this world are still in charge, whoever you vote for.
And that has become the problem. And if you look at Britain, all of Trump's policies poll positively.
Deporting illegal immigrants, cutting taxes, getting on with fracking and using our natural resources. Those are all popular policies, drill, baby, drill.
The issue is that when people vote, they can't elect somebody who puts forward those policies. But I see hope because I see what's happened in the United States.
I see what's happened with Javier Malay in Argentina, it shows me that there can be a popular movement that takes on the blob, the deep state, and succeeds. And yeah, we're obviously in the early days of the Trump administration, but the direction is very positive and doge is being effective and real change is taking place.
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So let's pivot to the media here for a second. Set the landscape up for me in comparison to America.
You know, they couldn't get rid of me in mainstream media fast enough. And I said at the time, oh, you will pray for the day when I'm just on Fox because I'm going to open a new door and we're going to get out of your system.
And we have crippled, not just me, but people like me. We went online and we're entrepreneurs.
We're smarter than they are in many ways. And we found ways to get our messages out.
Nobody respects the mainstream media anymore. They're just not listening to it.
It still has some life to it, but nobody believes it anymore. It's so discredited.
Do you have, because you don't have, like talk radios never existed that I understand over in England. Do you have enough outside media that can challenge the monstrosity of the BBC? Not at present.
And if you look at the stats, 68% of people in Britain get their information from the BBC. So it's still very dominant because it's funded by a poll tax on the people of Britain.
It's crazy. And because it's free to air and it's free online, people use it.
So there are developing. So we are seeing the development of independent media.
So people like Dan Wootten, who've left GB News, now has his own show. There's a growing movement, but I think we're considerably behind the US.
And the problem is, we have a regulator called Ofcom that not only regulates broadcast media, they're also regulating online content. And appallingly, this piece of legislation was put through under a conservative government.
Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
So there are people who are out there doing things differently. But what I am working on, which we want to launch this summer, is a new free speech media network that will be targeted at Europe, the UK, will also be available over here to actually tell the truth to people.
Because I cannot tell you how frustrated people in Britain are. They're so angry about the media.
And when I was campaigning in the election, there would be constant complaints on the doorstep that they weren't being told the truth and that things were being presented in a way that was completely false. I mean, everything from the grooming gangs to climate change and net zero to political issues.
And people are being put in jail for things that they have posted on social media. That is true.
When you, I mean, we see, you know, videos, Instagram, Twitter, whatever. We see people being arrested in England for things that we know are human rights here in America, even though we were really close to losing it ourself.
And I'm glad to hear you say this, and if you could expand a little bit, because I don't think I'm the only American that feels this way.

I watch what's happening over in Europe and in England, and I just can't get past, and maybe it's the American in me, but I don't think it is. people are not going to stand here.

You can't let their children be raped and killed

and then ignore it, cover it up, and then go and use the state against that person, that parent or that person in the community that's like, hey, guys, I'm fine with a lot of stuff, but not killing my children or raping our children.

I don't, I'm glad to hear you say that the average person,

would you believe it's the average person in England knows what's going on?

And it's like, I don't know what to do yet.

People are horrified, absolutely horrified by what has happened.

And we are talking about tens of thousands of girls being raped as young as 11 and 12 and being tortured because that's what happened, and some of them being killed. This is what's been going on.
Wasn't Starmer somehow another part of that cover-up? He was the director of public prosecutions, and what has happened has just not been investigated. And what we know is we know that there was collusion with the police.
So we've now seen police officers being arrested for being involved in the crimes themselves. We know that local councils and local councillors covered it up.
And we know that Labour politicians, in particular, turned a blind eye. And they're still refusing to have a national inquiry into what has happened.
And I understand that this is still going on, that these crimes are still being perpetrated. In fact, some of the original people that are jailed have now been let out of prison.
So, you know, we are in a situation in Britain where people are being punished more harshly for posting things on Facebook and Twitter than they are for committing crimes. And that is, it's an outrage.
and people what's been happening is every few years the issue emerges and a documentary is produced and everybody says this is awful and it's terrible but what happens is the mainstream media the bbc just don't report on it very much so there's a a channel called GB News that's done a pretty good job of raising the issue and pushing it. And Elon Musk, who I see as the leader of the opposition in Britain, to be honest, he's the one taking on Keir Starmer more than anybody who's actually in Britain at the moment.
But the problem is, the way the media operate is they then have wall-to-wall coverage on other issues. So when some of the horrors of what had been done to these girls were coming out in the media, the BBC reported on spat with Elon Musk.
So they weren't talking about what happened to the victims. They were talking about a spat with Elon Musk.
And the number one story was the LA fires. Now, of course, we all care about the LA fires, but there's a deliberate attempt to push and suppress things down the news agenda.
So it's not like they don't ever talk about it. It's just suppressed.
And so people move on and they think about something else. And that is what has happened.
Are you, is there a real legitimate or not legit, capable movement at all being formed to give freedom of speech back online? Because if you don't have that, I mean, we were close to losing it, but we never got anywhere close to where you guys are now. Well, the thing is, though, the Labor government have tried, but what they're unable to do is regulate the Internet, and they're unable to cancel X.
So they're not going to

succeed. They're not going to succeed.
And I know J.D. Vance and President Trump will take a very

dim view of the UK if that happens. So that is our strength in the battle against the censors.

And for those people who are engaged on X, they can see what's actually happening and what

Thank you. is our strength in the battle against the censors.
And for those people who are engaged on X, they can see what's actually happening. And what we want to do with our new free speech network is add more content to that, give people more of a voice and develop the type of ecosystem you've got in the US with your show, with organizations like Steve Bannon, with the whole Joe Rogan.
That is the type of media ecosystem that Europe needs. And this censorship isn't just going on in Britain.
I mean, you can be arrested in Germany for hurty words, the French are trying to close down particular TV channels. This is a project which is supported by the elites that we've just been talking about.
And if you remember, Hillary Clinton was challenging the First Amendment. You know, this is not just...
I know. And by the way, USAID was funding the BBC.

I know.

And it was funding the Tony Blair Institute. No, no, no, we're just doing charity.
That's all that organization is. This is not a...
This is something the global left have been pushing to promote their agenda. And what the agenda here on the grooming gangs is this failure to challenge Islamism in Britain.
That is what is behind this. So help me out on this, because in America, we got to a point to where you can be incompetent, but you can't be incompetent and have it fall against the interest of the country and stability every single time.
Once in a while, it's got to be like, oh, well, that one's in our favor if you're incompetent. We got to a place in America where you're like, I can't explain this anymore.
You have, for instance, our immigration problems, But our immigration problems, as big as the numbers are, it's still not the kind of immigration problem that you have, and you're getting everything from the Middle East. And you can't reasonably look at that and then look at the leadership of Europe and England and say, well, no, they have their heart in the right place.
They're just mistaken on this. There is no way that what's happening is making a better, stronger Europe and Western culture.
You're erasing it. Yeah.
And this is because it's a puzzle, isn't it? Yeah. Why are the Islamists on the same side as the transgender ideologues? It doesn't make any sense when they are concerned about gay people, whereas the transgender ideologues want to promote transgender rights.
It doesn't make any sense. You know, why are the, why did Greta Thunberg go from being an environmental activist to campaigning in favour of Hamas? Why are all these things connected? And the thing that connects them all is it's a hatred of Western civilisation.
Yes. What they hate is they hate the things that made our countries great.
Free speech, individual liberty, the family, the nation state. those are the things that made our countries great free speech individual liberty the family the nation state those are the things they hate and this is why it's connected with black lives matter and the anti-colonial movement we've got a foreign secretary that has advocated paying reparations for slavery even though britain led the world against slavery so you've got this collection of people, and the thing that they've got in common is they hate Western civilization.
They hate Israel. They hate the United Kingdom.
They hate the United States. But what is the end game for the average MP that is like, I don't know.
I i mean do they just want to see it burn to the ground or there's a lot of useful idiots there's a lot of people who just go along with it to get along and you know the amount of times when i fought these battles whether it was fighting transgender ideology whether it was fighting net zeroes and people just say, Liz, you're on the wrong side of history. You know, get with the program.
You're on the wrong side of history. And I said, you're not on the wrong side of history if you're affirming that a biological male is a biological male.
I'm on the right side of biology. We're not on the wrong side of history here.
But that was the, there was a lot of people, and that's true in the corporate sector as well, or in the police service, who would just go along because it was fashionable. But there is an ideological heart to this movement, which started in the universities and expanded into this global network.
And the issue is that those people themselves aren't affected by the consequences of their policies because they're working for the government. They're paid by a very rich NGO, which is funded by USAID.
They're part of the system and they benefit from the system. And look, you know, people like Mark Carney has made a huge amount of money out of it.
So have people like Bill Gates. It's all part of the same ecosystem.
You track it down no matter where you are in the world. People in countries like Britain who see their industries decline, who are seeing their towns getting worse and worse, who it harder and harder to own property who find it harder and harder to get opportunities those are the people that are suffering but they're not the people with a voice because you know we talked about control of the mainstream media control of the senior heights of the the state and the bureaucracy those are the people that are part of the system.
So this is now, in all of our countries, it's not a conservative versus liberal debate. It's a system versus anti-system.
It's establishment versus anti-establishment. I think it's people, regular people, against the elites.
I mean, I'm not an anti'm not anti-establishment. I'm not, I'm none of that.

But the establishment is now left-wing,

and this is what so many conservatives don't understand,

that it used to be

that, you know,

doctors, teachers, senior

government officials were conservative.

They wanted to protect

our way of life. Yeah.

Whereas what's happened is a lot of those people have now been captured by the left. And that's what's changed.
It is why, you know, after 9-11, America paused for a second. And we all thought we were on the same team.
We all thought here in America, you love a country. I love our country.
Let's do the right thing and just come together. And we would, you know, you had people who were on the exact opposite sides of everything come together and we actually believed that we all kind of believed in we hold these truths to be self-evident, you know, that all men are, uh-uh, we don't.
And it's taken us now all this time. And really, Donald Trump just throwing hand grenades into rooms.
And then the wall comes down, you're like, what the heck is behind that wall? It's taken us a while. But I think America, at least a good portion of us is awake now going, no, no, no.

We don't all agree on the same thing. And if you can't give me the Bill of Rights, then we have nothing in common.
And our vice president was over in Europe. And you had the foreign, I think it was the foreign secretary in Germany, cry that America

because J.D. Vance

spoke about the

freedom of speech,

the foreign secretary of Germany stands up crying.

First of all, did Germans cry?

I've never seen that before.

But crying and saying, you know, I guess we just don't have in common what we used to.

To me, that says,

I don't know how to view you as an ally anymore. If we don't have freedom of speech,

if we don't have these basic principles in common,

how long can we be allies?

The thing to know about Europe, though, is it is currently being run by socialists. So you've got a socialist government in Britain, a socialist government in France.
You're still going to have the socialists in a coalition in Germany, because even though people voted right because the CDU won't do a deal with the AFD you're still gonna have the socialists in government and that's what America used to be like last year so this isn't what is there was a time there was a time where socialists we all maybe we all just pretended or closed our eyes that even social we could disagree with democrats or socialists and say you know you know you just want a bigger health care system that's true they were patriots but that's not what they were patriots right but it's not now people like harold wilson was a patriot whereas what i think happened and this happened in the 1990s in britain but the blair government fundamentally changed that and they did it by the back door they introduced the human rights laws they introduced the climate change laws they parceled all this power over to the unelected bureaucracy and the essential nature of socialism or what they represented changed. And that is the battle we have now.
And it's why in America you've seen people like Tulsi Gabbard and JFK come on board with Trump. Because it's a different set of voters.
It's the working voters across America. The same thing is happening in Europe.
What the problem is, is that has not translated yet into a change of who's in charge of the country. So you've got the people.
Lots of people applauded what J.D. Vance said in Britain.
They love it. You wouldn't hear that on any of the British media.
No. Because people are scared of speaking out.
They're literally worried about being arrested. We had a journalist called on at the weekend by the police because of a tweet that she had deleted a year ago.
So people are worried about it. They are frustrated about it.
They say, they feel they can't say what they think and that, and you are seeing, you know, a rising movement in Britain. We now have for the first time ever, I think, tractors in Westminster and Whitehall because the farmers are so angry.
You know, we had people rioting. We had people rioting because of the failure to deal properly with the appalling terrorist attack in Southport.
So you are seeing the emergence, I think, of a movement of very frustrated people. I just think that America has been ahead of that.
And frankly, a lot of these bad ideas actually came from America in the first place. I know.
Like transgender ideology. Oh, no, I know.
You know, the lionization of Stonewall and the funding of Stonewall, which has been so destructive around the world. Those things came from the United States.
I mean, I know our history

is... Maybe we should bill you for all of that.
It'll all work out with tariffs. We'll go back to J.D.
Barnes and say, we need to bill you for the damage you have caused with this dubious ideology. I will tell you that that's the one thing I think that has been really good out of this is

I think conservatives

here in America have

... That's the one thing I think that has been really good out of this is I think conservatives here in America have been willing to say, at least to some degree, not to the insane degree, but to say, wow, you know what? We've really done some bad things.
I mean, our progressivism and eugenics,

I mean, you guys were involved in that too,

but America is the one that shipped it over to Germany

and then they took it

and then we shipped all those people

with Operation Paperclip back here.

I mean, we've been a source

of some really bad things

and in this case,

I can't believe how we've led the way

and this transgenderism,

when Sweden and France, we're always told, we should be more like Sweden. For the first time in my life, I'm like, yes, we should.
When they're turning on these things years before America does, it shows you how sick we have become. We'll continue our conversation here in just a second.
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Let me go to Canada for a second.

I don't think they like us very much right now,

but Canada scares the crap out of me

because of MAID

and some of the things that we've seen in the past that never go well. And now the new prime minister, I don't even know how the system works, but the new prime minister, nobody's ever voted for him.
Not a single person has voted for him. And now he's the prime minister.
He's terrifying in the things that he believes. What happens to canada i mean i i think it is extraordinary that mark carney has become the prime minister of canada he did a terrible job in britain of the governorship of the bank of england he created a lot of the problems that blew up on my watch and that i got blamed for were actually created by him he backed backed Labour in the election and Rachel Reeves's policies, which are leading the country to bankruptcy.
So why on earth the Liberal Party of Canada has selected this man, I have no idea. And I think it is illegitimate that this guy has never been elected as a member of parliament in Canada.
I'm, you know, I'm utterly puzzled. And, you know, the Canadians, you know, I'm not going to tell the Canadians how to vote.
Obviously, I want the Conservatives to be elected, to be elected in Canada. But I think it's, it's, Justin Trudeau has pursued a lot of the same policies that europe has been pursuing and america has raced ahead of us back at the turn of the millennium the average brit was catching up with the average american in terms of income bad we are now 34 000 a year behind we are poorer than mississippi which is the poorest American state.
And the same is true, the same is true of France and Germany, and to some extent of Canada, because they pursued all of these woke policies, high taxes, high spending, not using their natural resources. And Justin Trudeau was the architect of that.
And of course, Mark Carney has been the advocate of these policies. So I don't know what is going on in Canada, but in the same way as I think people in Britain need to wake up to what the real threat to our country is, I think they need to wake up in Canada.
You know, Trump's one of the best negotiators in the world.

Love him or hate him.

He is an amazing negotiator.

And early on, I learned, don't take him literally.

You know what I mean?

He's not saying things and he means them literally,

but you should take them seriously.

You know, he doesn't want Canada to be the 51st state. I mean, if they did it, I'm sure he'd be like, yeah, come on in.
But that's his negotiation and everything else. This one's getting a little dicey with Canada, and I think it's because of Trudeau.
He, I think, would like to hammer Trudeau and his party into the ground. But are we in a place to where Canada and America are going to be at odds for really the first time since like 1812? But I do think the situation in Canada is similar to the situation in Europe.
So Canada have not been spending on defence. They haven't been.
They've been free riding. They have huge tariffs.
And one of my previous roles was International Trade Secretary. I negotiated with Canada.
They have things like 230% on their dairy. So they are very protectionist of their own industry.
And where I think Trump has got a point, and I know more about the European situation and the Canadian situation, is that there can no longer be a situation where other countries free ride off the United States. We can't afford it.
We can't afford it. But also it's not actually good for the free riders because what's happened in Europe, we've got massive welfare dependency.
Our towns and cities are going downhill because we've de-industrialized. There's no pride in having to have America bail us out.
I don't want to live in that kind of country. I want to live in a successful, thriving Britain that pays its own way.
And people in Canada should want to live in a successful, thriving Canada that's paying its own way. And that hasn't been happening.
Do you think that there's anybody in Europe that really understands that what Trump is really saying is our policies of being involved in everybody else's business has not been working out well for America a lot of the times. Although you've been involving yourselves in other people's business in a bad way by funding stuff for USAID.
Oh, no, I know. I mean, that's part of it.
That's part of it, though. That's why I think Trump is like, get rid of all that.
Because all of this, whether we're doing it through our USAID or we're doing it with our military. You know, 30 years ago, I used to believe that, yes, we should stand up and we can help plant democracy.
You cannot give freedom to people. They have to want it and earn it.
You can be with them, but you can't lead that. And we've tried to lead this.
And it's been a series of disasters. Disasters.
Absolutely. Disasters.
If you look at Afghanistan. Disaster.
It has been a disaster. Yeah.
So what Trump, I think, is saying to Europe is, look, we're changing the course that we've been on for 100 years in America. It doesn't work.
Two, you know, we were rebuilding Europe when NATO started. We wanted and needed to rebuild europe so you guys could get on your feet um but we're barely on our feet right now and we're not going to continue to fund all of this stuff it's not it's not good for europe i have no problem if europe says we're're going to bring Ukraine into not NATO, but your own little thing, that's fine.
But we shouldn't have to carry the lion's share of the responsibility of what happens with that. Do you understand what I'm saying? I do.
I do. I think what we're seeing is we're seeing all of these institutions and ideas that were invented after the Second World War.
They're not working anymore. Yes.
They're not working. I mean, the United Nations.
I mean, the United Nations Security Council, when you look at who's on it, China, Russia. Iran.
It credible. It's not a credible organization and it's not a credible way of organizing the world.
And the fact is, the number one threat is China. We know that.
I mean, I think there's a real threat of Islamism in Europe as well. And it would be a disaster if that is allowed to grow.
That is the major threat to us. But the major threat to the world is China, who are allying themselves with Iran, allying themselves with Russia.
And that is what we collectively have to take on. But we need to do it as nation states.
And the problem with all of these organizations, like the United Nations, and like the sort of the global aid industry that's developed and has been so opaque yeah I mean I was shocked by all the things that were coming out of USAID is what they've done is they've taken power away and responsibility away from nation-states and they've weakened them right and that has been a disaster and our adversaries aren't doing that our adversaries like china they're keeping absolute control of what goes on in china but they're using the un they're using the world health organization to try and control everybody else and you're you're you're watching this happen i think I'm hoping that the rest of the world, and even America, begins to understand what Trump is doing is disrupting the entire system that was put together after World War II. It worked for a while, but it's no longer, none of this works.
And if we want to survive, we all have to stand on our own two feet. And I don't, I mean, I saw COVID, you saw COVID.
Here in America, when you'd walk into a store a year into it and you'd say, hey, I want to get, and they'd say uh that'll be probably six months before no american at least my age and below had ever seen shortages and it that's when it dawned on us we are in danger because everything's coming from china now and there are They're going to be our number one enemy. They already are.
That's a bad thing.

We all have to re develop our industrial base so each nation can stand on its own totally correct it's crazy correct so the thing is that Europe has not just been using the US for defense subsidy It's also been getting cheap goods from China, oil and gas from Russia, and becoming a welfare state that is subsidized by others. That's not the future for our country.
So if you feel that there are Europeans and British citizens who understand this, they've had enough, and they're still kind of a little afraid, who do you have that is in the ranks that, I mean, Trump is the first president in maybe 100 years

that is going to leave office much more poor than he entered office.

He has been shot at.

He has been vilified.

They've gone after everything.

And I think he is unique, at least in America right now,

is going, bring it on. I am no longer afraid of any of you.
Who do you see rising up that people can rally around and that can connect over in Europe? Because I'm not, that's what my hope was with you. I think it's worth understanding that people are frustrated.
They're angry. They hate what's happening.
But they don't yet fully understand why it's happening. Thus the BBC.
The first thing is that people link what is going wrong with our countries with the policies the elite have been pursuing.

And the fact that it's not just politicians in Britain.

In fact, politicians are just the top of the cake.

There's a massive cake underneath of the bureaucracy,

which is actually more powerful than the politicians.

And people like Keir Starmer are just spokesmen for the bureaucracy.

That's the reality.

And that's what people in Britain and in wider Europe have to understand. Now, there is nobody like Donald Trump.
I would point out in Argentina, they've got Javier Malay. So it's possible to have different types of people who do that.
But I think the way you get those people is by creating a movement. And we need people who are running businesses in Britain to get involved in politics.
We need people like our version of Elon Musk, our version of... There needs to be a coalition of people.
I think that's the other learning from Trump's first term, is that there was a team of people and that he is a great communicator. He's relying on people like Musk to actually deliver stuff.
And in Britain at the moment, there is a very weak bench. There's a weak bench, if you look at Parliament, of who's actually available to do stuff.
So all of that needs to be built up. And I think that takes time.
Do you think that's why they are taking on social media and everything so strong? Because that was the key here. I mean, I remember in 2008, when all this started coming to the fore.
They're very scared. Labour are very scared.
They're very scared of Nigel Farage and reform. They're very scared of, you know, the online right, as they call them.
So that suggests to me, yes, that is where the threat is coming from. Can I ask you about the online right? In America, we kind of went on our own track.
And back in the 30s, we were kind of pulled back on that European track, which, as I see European left and right, it's communism, fascism. And freedom is somewhere in the middle, you know what I mean? Where we have totalitarianism, that can be any kind of total government, and anarchy, you know what I mean? So we don't have a left and right here like you guys have.
That's the true American version. We have been pulled into this European kind of left and right communism, fascism, but our American constitution is anarchy, total freedom that goes into anarchy, and total control.
I don't know how to judge. Like, for instance, I see this stuff coming from, what is it, the AFD in Germany, and a lot of the stuff that I read, I'm like, well, okay, that makes sense.
But then you'll read things like, oh, and by the way, they have celebrations for Hitler all the time. And you don't know what's true because I don't trust our own press to get things right, let alone over in Europe.
But what I also find is that Americans believe European media

more than they believe their own media.

So people will quote things to me from the British press,

which is just totally untrue.

But they will believe it.

It's because you have British accents,

so everything sounds more credible.

But it's not true.

Right, I know that.

You have an overuse of the...

I spend a lot of time telling people that stuff is not true.

And I don't know the answer to that question about what is true,

about what's said about the AFD, and what isn't true.

What I know is that people in Germany are hugely frustrated,

and they're basically getting more of the same at every election which is

exactly the same as happening in britain yeah that's a little frightening that you don't know for sure what to think of that party because then because you know here in america i know i'd love I've been, you know, 2008, I'm at Fox, and I'm kind of discovering these networks and everything else because nothing made sense anymore. And it's that ability to question, and even be wrong at times, but question and educate society.
When you can't have an honest dialogue about what does this party really mean? Are they good? Are they bad? You know, what's really happening? You can't build that group. But this is why Europe needs a much freer media.
That is the only way you get to the truth. It's the only way you get to the truth, is to actually have these discussions.
And I know much more about what's going on in Britain than I do in Germany. But there's so much misinformation around political parties in Britain, movements in Britain.
We were talking about the grooming gangs earlier. There's so much falsehoods just across the media more broadly.
How is outside of the media, how is America viewed? How is Donald Trump viewed? How are the conservatives viewed? Are we just all insane to them over there? You've got to understand that the British elite doesn't like America full stop. You know, they don't.
Yeah, I got that. And they think America is a they they think America is a country that just produces chlorinated chicken and hormone injected beef.
And which we do and we're waking up to. And they they they see America as a right wing country.
And the British elite that we've just been talking about is inherently left wing. And they are dominant in the media.
They're dominant in the civil service, they're dominant in London. So that is why you will hear all of those noises.
But if you speak to regular people around Britain, a lot of them want a Trump-style revolution. They'd vote for Donald Trump if he was available in Britain.
Now, on the war in Ukraine, there's probably more support for Ukraine in Britain than there is in America, because people see it's a direct threat to us. Yes.
That makes sense to me. They're worried about Russian expansionism.
Correct. It's a direct threat to us.
But everybody in Britain, people are talking about a British doge, people are talking about why can't we have this kind of, these policies on illegal immigration. I mean, immigration is the number one issue in Britain.
People want deportations of foreign criminals. That is what they want.
Is it going to happen? Not under this government. Of course it's not.
We've got a human rights law in charge but i believe by 2029 it will happen i think that's the most likely likely scenario in britain that this movement is bubbling up that people are getting increasingly clear about what the problem is and i think there will be a massive vote for change in 2029 and we can see what's happened in america which is a lot of people who didn't vote before come out and vote because they're so frustrated so then i have to bring you back to kind of where we started which is you've said it's failed state i don't know if we would have been able to turn this around

had Donald Trump not won this time. Our spending is absolutely insane.
It has to stop. We're not going to be able to afford the interest on this debt very, very soon.
The virus that was planted so deep into the system that was just eating and

rotting everything, if we wouldn't have been doing doge right now, if we wouldn't have been

turning the corner on some of the really insane things that we're doing, if we wouldn't have

been able to say, hey, our military is kind of important and the guys are all in dresses,

This is the first time I'm going to been able to say, hey, our military is kind of important and the guys are all in dresses. What is happening to us? That was crazy.
That was crazy. That was crazy.
We didn't get that far in Britain. I know.
That was crazy, honestly. We were on the crazy train.
But if we wouldn't have turned it around this time, I'm not sure we could have turned it around in 2028 here. I agree with you.
I agree with you. And this is why.
But can you turn it around in 2029? I wrote a book called 10 Years to Save the West last year because I was so concerned about what was happening in America, in Europe, these terrible ideologies infecting our entire systems. And that's why I said there's a 10-year timeline.
If we do not turn this around within 10 years, the West is finished and our adversaries will have won. Donald Trump getting elected was the first turning point.
That was the first turning point. And let's be honest, it's the most important.
It's the biggest, most powerful part of the West. So that is a good start.
And I think that that gives people in Europe hope. A lot of people in Europe are talking about make Europe great again.
That's so great. That is a thing.
They are talking about it because they understand what Donald Trump is trying to do in America and want the same thing for Europe. So I think there is momentum.
There's momentum. We talked about the leftist network.
There is now momentum around an international conservative movement. Mega.
Mega. That actually wants to change things.
And one of the things I want to do is host a British CPAC. So we start getting an injection.
You don't have anything like that? No. We don't.
We don't have an independent media. We don't have a British CPAC.
These are all the things we need to... It's amazing's amazing i'm my my family and we're gonna have big american hair by the way i'm not british we're gonna get the american hair and that's uh i was over in uh in great britain last summer the summer before last and uh we went to scotland and then we went uh into uh london for a week and just thoroughly enjoyed ourselves and just loved the people there.
It's just so rich. It's just so great.
Except I did notice, that we were about to lose here.

And that is, I guess the easy way to explain it is hope. You know, it's kind of like, it's this way.
It's always been this way. It's never going to change.
And I found that so tragically sad. And sad that so many people that I did meet, like we were starting to be, lost hope that England would ever be England again, that it was just going into a wall.
And I'm glad to hear that you have hope. I do have hope because you've got to have hope, haven't you? Yeah, but I think there's this genuine.
It is genuine. The turnarounds that we're seeing, and I, you know, Argentina, other countries, you know, there is hope.
But I think the difference between Britain and America is we have been on this trajectory longer than you yeah we've been in this decline trajectory essentially since the start of the 20th century I would argue I would argue that we were there too we had Woodrow Wilson and our crazy progressive thing you guys had the Fabian socialist which is kind of the same it same. We also had the bureaucracy.
So the bureaucracy started.

So this whole idea of the impartial civil service,

which is now morphed into this all-powerful blob,

that started in the 1800s.

This is very, very deep-reated, and it has to change

because, in my view, it's one of the causes of Britain's decline.

You cannot just hand off power to unelected bureaucrats. It's not worked.
Wouldn't it be fun if this time, and hopefully not with any kind of bloodshed, but you guys joined us in a second American revolution. It was a British revolution, and we stopped all this insanity and could turn freedom back around and hand our countries back to our people without bloodshed would be preferable we want to be part of the second american revolution but with the don't burn our white house with the first american revolution we might have been on the wrong side of it we we don't want to be we don't want to be on your side we don't want to be on your side right i think everybody if we could have been on the wrong side of it but we we don't want to be we don't want

to be on your side we don't want to be on your side right i think everybody if we could just be

on the people's side it would be a very very good thing be on their the side of their rights thank you it's been great to have you here being great to be on great to be in texas just a reminder

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