GaryVee Pt 2: Life-Changing Lessons on AI, Social Media & More! Gary Vaynerchuk

Coming up in this incredible part two episode with Gary Vaynerchuk.

This could literally be,

this could be the single thing that changes people's lives that are listening.

I've never had this conversation with anybody.

AI, social media, are any of us going to have a job in a few years?

It's unbelievable how easy that question is for me and how quickly I can answer it.

From advice on mindset and how to succeed on social media with AI and entrepreneurship and how to know exactly what's coming next and what to do about it in a world of technology and AI that's changing by the second.

I am so excited for this conversation.

I have never answered this question.

I do not have an inner critic.

A,

I don't really criticize other people.

In fact, I would argue the reason so many people listening judge themselves is they're spending too much time.

time judging others.

By not judging others, you don't practice the the concept of judgment, which allows you to not judge yourself.

Do you believe God exists?

Yes.

You do.

I do.

If I can show men and women that you can build an empire and be a mother gangster

and be a really nice person, that would be a tremendous accomplishment.

Every single negative comment that I have ever gotten has been immediately reacted to with deep compassion.

Do you know how stinky your life is if you spend time going on the internet?

You've actually spent a few minutes of your life to go to another human being's social media account and leave something nasty.

Misery loves company.

That is a miserable act.

What would I tell those people?

It's not gonna kill your business.

There's not one restaurant that's out of business in this world with a one-star Yelp review that's nasty.

Has never happened.

How to protect themselves from the negative comments is to not believe the positive comments.

People are susceptible to criticism and negativity because they're over in need of positive reinforcement.

If you want to become addicted to the cheering, you become susceptible to the booing.

If you're someone who says they need to earn my trust, I ask you to do the mental work to get out of that mindset.

It means you're scared.

It means you're emotionally weak.

It means you're scared someone can hurt you.

Congratulations to your newlywed.

Yes.

You're newlywed.

newlywed your wife mona what is greater than love yeah like what we now know that you want more kids first on the jamie current lena show mona she's the love of your life we're just a match man you know like a puzzle like it's just

it's just a level of like

joy and partnership and humor.

Like, you know, I think people, just like everything.

Just like every ounce of it.

We're not like this now because we made it.

We made it because we were like this.

All right.

You know how real that was, right?

It's like so uncomfortably right.

Jamie, this stuff is like so fun to talk about.

I'm so in the zone with you right now.

So I'm getting to see the goosebumps.

I'm getting to see the tears well in your eyes.

I'm getting to see, like, to feel the light energy.

If you're emotionally light and you love everything and you just let it go, you're fucked faster.

Yeah,

so good.

Gary is a serial entrepreneur and serves as the chairman of VaynerX, the CEO of Vayner Media, and the CEO and creator of the entertainment and collectibles company TheFriends.

Gary is considered one of the leading global minds on what's next in culture, business, and the internet.

He was an early investor in companies like Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Venmo, Snapchat, Coinbase, and Uber.

He's a six-time New York Times Times best-selling author and documents his daily life as a CEO through his social media channels, which have more than 45 million followers.

His podcast, The Gary Vee Audio Experience, ranks amongst the top podcasts globally.

He's a newlywed to his wife, Mona, a dad of two, and he's the person millions of people look to daily.

And he's taken time out of his busy schedule.

He's flown here.

He's in person on the podcast just for you today.

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Jamie, you're so inspiring.

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I spend a lot of time with 18-year-old entrepreneurs about IRL streaming and AI and then 80-year-old real estate and like, you know, those kind of characters.

Yeah.

You know, it's wild.

I just say this.

So I was in Copenhagen last week at a table in a restaurant.

Yes.

And there's a couple next to me in their 80s.

Yes.

And the guy's phone goes off and and he's doing audio prompts to ChatGPT.

He's in his 80s and I'm like, the whole world is changing so fast.

I've got so much to ask you about VFriends, about AI, about social media, about ChatGPT, about all of it, about AGI, all of it.

I want to ask you though, because it's such a big thing for people when it comes to their own inner critic.

Yes.

In their own head, do you ever feel, like, do you ever feel your own inner critic?

And if so, what do you do?

How do you handle it?

I don't have an inner critic.

You have no inner inner critic.

I have no inner critic.

Nothing.

No negative thoughts?

I have a massive inner accountable coach.

Okay.

That's a very different thing.

Yeah, explain.

I'll explain.

Yes.

Every other human being sucks too.

I'm going to dramatically pause here right now.

This could literally be,

this could be the single thing that changes people's lives that are listening.

Every other

human being sucks too.

I do not have an inner critic.

This is potentially, I've never had this conversation with anybody.

I've never thought about an inner critic.

This is a fun moment for me too, in real time.

I have never answered this question.

I've never thought about this.

That was really fun to answer.

I do not have an inner critic.

A,

I don't really criticize other people.

In fact, I would argue the reason so many people listening judge themselves is they're spending too much time judging others.

By not judging others, you don't practice the concept of judgment, which allows you to not judge yourself.

I do not criticize myself because I am aware that I will make unbelievable amounts of micro-mistakes in my life.

I have an inner accountable coach.

I am not delusional.

I do not look the other way with my shortcomings.

I'm wildly accountable.

In fact, I think everything in my life that isn't going well is 100% my fault.

I'm accountable.

I'm not critical.

I'm not cynical to myself.

I love myself unconditionally.

I also love others unconditionally, even in the face of their shortcomings towards me, let alone the world.

I do not have an inner critic, but I do have an accountable coach who might be the best accountable coach in the world.

When you look at the data and you see 80% of women don't believe they're enough, 70-something percent of men feel inadequate and not enough.

Where do you you think unworthiness comes from?

Do you think it's comparison?

Do you think it's not realizing everyone else sucks too?

Envy, jealousy, the incredible thirst to put other human beings on a pedestal.

Do you put anyone on a pedestal?

My mom.

Your mom.

Yes, I put a lot of people on a pedestal.

You ready for this?

Yeah.

Only if I find them unconditionally kind.

I only put kindness on a pedestal.

I do not put LeBron.

I do not put athletes.

I'm a die-hard sports fan.

I do not put athletic capability on a pedestal.

I definitely do not put financial accomplishment on a pedestal.

I do not put, I definitely do not put fame and following count on a pedestal.

These are things that most people put on a pedestal.

Yeah.

And I think that's what's hurting them.

I have no, I,

Jane, there are so many people that have made more money than me that I'm a better on paper businessman than because of time.

You know how business works.

You're a businesswoman.

Timing, right place, right time,

right?

Like sold a company, like later it was worth nothing a year later, but they were in the right place at the right time.

I am happy for those people.

I watch my fellow contemporaries be upset about that.

I have almost no envy and jealousy.

Why?

Why would you ever not be happy for another person?

Nobody's happiness, success

comes at your expense.

No one's.

Not one dollar made, and not one smile and not one joyous moment that another human being feels

has any impact on your capacity to make a dollar, create a smile, or have joy.

Do you believe God exists?

Yes.

You do.

I do.

I think it's complicated.

I feel like everyone's allowed to like have their version of it.

But yeah, I've always felt that feeling.

I like really believe heaven is a supercomputer.

I like literally believe heaven is like this hangouts.

Like I am going to be so pissed if it's not like that.

Like I will be the most unhappy dead person in the history of death.

If the second I die, I can't feel that I like know what's going on.

Like if it's actually over, I'm going to be pissed.

What do you think?

Okay, that's funny to say out loud.

I would be really pissed.

Because you want to know all that.

Because I just love life so much that like, listen, fine.

You don't want to give me a body walking around.

You need to let me watch.

You need to let me watch.

God, you need to let me watch.

I need to watch.

You know?

Yeah.

Plus, I live my life for the day after I die.

What do you mean?

I believe the way I navigate life has a lot to do with my funeral.

The way I show up,

I'm really excited for my grandkids to see.

Like, I think they're going, no matter how successful and how well known I become hopefully when I'm a hundred and die I'll take a hundred

I still think my children and my grandchildren will be shocked how many people show up because I don't think people show up for how much money you make or how famous you become I think they show up by how much you impacted them and I believe that I really on a day-to-day hour-by-hour basis show up for humans strangers acquaintances employees contemporaries friends relatives, all of them.

I really, do you know what my least favorite saying in society is?

What?

Nice guys finish last.

It is my single, I don't use the word hate often.

Like in general, it's not really in my vocab.

I hate that sentence.

In fact, I've been thinking about starting a fashion brand called Nice Guys Finish First.

Because I think a lot of men are confused.

And women.

And women.

Yeah.

Yeah, in fact, when you're so thank you for saying that because when you said 80 and 70, I was like, fuck, 99% of both men and women.

I want to change that badly.

That would be a great accompl if anything, if anything,

if anything, that I leave this world, if I can show men and women, that you can build an empire and be a motherfucking gangster

and be a really nice person.

That would be a tremendous accomplishment.

Yeah.

You mentioned hate and how you don't like that word.

What's your advice for people who, because you know, this happens to so many people.

There's, you know, doctors and lawyers that never, they don't want to be online, but they are, and their profile is, and their Yelp reviews are, and they might be on Facebook with people in high school or, you know, or, or so many people, as you know, are online every day.

And that's how they communicate with their friends through all different platforms.

And the amount of vitriol and trolling, and

how do you handle that?

And also, how do you advise other people who've lived a different life than you have and have a different makeup than you have?

What do you advise them to do when, like, that stuff wants to knock them to their knees and take them out?

It just has nothing to do with them.

Fuck.

The compassionate catfish,

the V-friend.

I dream of a day when everyone's wearing compassionate catfish hoodies and hats.

I ask you all, and this is a very high level of emotional strength, so I say this lightly.

I tread lightly, everyone that's listening to all of you.

My preference, if I had a magic potion that everybody could drink, what it would do is make them deal with that with compassion.

James, I mean this from the bottom of my soul.

Every single negative comment that I have have ever had, and I've had many because I'm very public and I've been doing it for 20 years.

And I poke at things.

Ugh, you should have seen 15 years ago when I was yelling that college and college debt is crazy.

Every parent on earth was sending me nasty DMs because the kids were getting affected.

You know, you're a family that loves college and everything's going smooth and then your kid starts watching Gary Vee on TikTok and your 16-year-old has straight A's and is on their way to Stanford, walks in and says, I'm not going to school.

I'm empathetic to why that parent quickly went to my DM and said, you're a piece of crap.

Every single negative comment that I have ever gotten has been immediately reacted to with deep compassion.

Do you know how stinky your life is if you spend time going on the internet?

You've actually spent a few minutes of your life to go to another human being's social media account and leave something nasty.

Misery loves company.

That is a miserable act.

It is inconceivable to me to ever leave a negative comment on another human being on social media.

So what would I tell those people?

A, it's not going to kill your business.

There's not one restaurant that's out of business in this world with a one-star Yelp review that's nasty.

Has never happened.

500 of those might mean it's true.

Not one, not two.

Look at it from percentages.

Jamie, you're going to love this because you've been incredibly successful and you've earned everything you've got and you've been around a lot of successful people at this point in your life.

Do you know how many, and you might be one of these people, do you know how many people get, in fact, this, if you actually, are you affected by negative comments?

I think I'm not.

Okay.

I think I'm not, and I'll share more in a second.

Please.

Yeah.

But this is going to hit for you then.

Yeah.

Because we obviously have a lot of friends and acquaintances and business associates that are.

Yes.

There are people who get 99.8% comments that they're the greatest, the most beautiful, the most wonderful, they're the goat.

And then then one comment, they're like, you're ugly, you stink, you're a scam, cripples them.

It's because they heard the compliments.

The reason I'm not affected, what I would like to ask everybody on how to protect themselves from the negative comments is to not believe the positive comments.

Because when people, 98% of the time, leave unbelievably kind, warm, and over-exact, I mean, I get too much credit from most of my comments on my posts because I don't believe them that I'm the greatest, that I'm the goat, that I'm so iconic, that I'm so legendary, because I do not believe them.

I do not hear them.

When they say I'm the greatest, I'm doing this,

which means when they're saying I'm the worst, I'm doing this.

People are susceptible to criticism and negativity because they're over in need of positive reinforcement.

If you want to become addicted to the cheering, you become susceptible to the booing.

So good.

So good.

Okay,

how do you ignore the good stuff and the bad stuff and still connect with community?

By not making it about you.

Yeah.

This is one big game of selflessness.

Yeah.

The reason I'm rolling for 20 straight years, and by the way, I haven't even started.

I'm very, it's very clear to me that where I'm at right now is peanuts to where I'm going

because I have the stomach to run the entire marathon.

There is no burnout.

I don't even begin the process of what could lead to burnout.

Full detachment.

Have no validation.

How?

I'm the most attached to community.

This isn't about me.

And everyone thinks it's about them.

you know people you know stuff you know amongst the personalities of the world that are similar to me I play it different

like I'm not as out I'm ironically even though it's I'm everywhere I'm not really out not like red carpeting it you know what I mean I'm not really out I'm in my cocoon cooking my meals, doing my businesses, trying to put out stuff.

Like, it's not about me.

I'm thrilled for the collateral things that come to me because of it.

No crap, if you do remarkably good things, good things will happen to you.

In fact, I would argue karma is the most practical energy in the world.

People act like karma is some sort of weird, lucky thing.

Karma is your, the definition of karma, to me at least, is you are doing awesome things for lots of people all the time.

Of course, that leads to good things for you.

The world loves you.

I'll give you one.

This should be interesting for your audience.

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People act like karma is some sort of weird lucky thing.

Karma is your, the definition of karma, to me at least is you are doing awesome things for lots of people all the time.

Of course that leads to good things for you.

The world loves you.

I'll give you one.

This should be interesting for your audience.

Amongst the 500 people that look like us, personalities big platrite,

you know,

I know you know this, that some of them are not talked about as nicely behind their backs that people really work with them or interact with them.

I know I can put my head on my pillow so easily that the things that are said behind my back with the people that are actually in my inner circles are better than people think I am.

Because you get extra credit for actually being authentic.

We're so used to being disappointed by the people with their public facades to who they really are.

I actually get extra credit for just being what I am.

I want to just call out something you said because I think it's just so relevant to everybody

that when you show up online, which is whether people like it or not becomes such an increased part of their lives and community.

Yes.

And people are feeling more lonely than ever in so many cases.

But when you talk about how your connection with everyone online, when you are sort of like, it's not about you, like it's about them.

So then when something comes at you that's like, oh, Gary Vee, I love you.

Or, oh, you're the best in the world.

You're not taking that and you're not in need of that.

Correct.

And then when the opposite comes, like, oh, all the haters,

you don't hear that either.

Correct.

You're there for the purpose for the purpose you're there for the person who like has no idea that you're seeing them with love and this and that and all the things that when you saw Derek and Gavin when you walked in and then you get goosebumps because you're thinking how much you love strangers I love Derek and Gavin already no really I mean this about you know they're lovable but but honestly this is an interesting point you know when people are like you have to earn my trust I'm like oh man that person's hurting

if you're sitting and listening right now in your car on the treadmill walking a dock, just like kind of like living, you're listening.

If you're someone who says they need to earn my trust, I ask you to do the mental work to get out of that mindset.

It means you're scared.

It means you're emotionally weak.

It means you're scared someone can hurt you.

The reason I'm like that with Gavin and Derek and everybody, James, is because they can't hurt me.

You know, people love dogs like unconditionally, but don't do that with humans.

And their answer is, yeah, because the dog loves you unconditionally.

No, it's because the dog doesn't talk.

People,

you know, it's just an incredibly oh man, James, this stuff is like so fun to talk about.

I'm so in the zone with you right now.

Like, I'm getting so intoxicated knowing what's happening on the other side of this podcast.

Like, I'm just wondering, like, what people are thinking, what they're jotting down.

This goes back to the point of the whole thing.

Like,

I built a big business for my father long before anyone knew who I was.

Yeah.

I don't need anybody to make money.

I don't need an audience for money.

I'm a businessman.

I also felt unconditional love and knew that money had nothing to do with happiness because I grew up in the most loving house of all time with no money.

I don't need anything for anyone, Jamie.

I don't need anything.

Do you know what that means to a human?

It means you're left with only giving.

Like, I don't know what else to say.

Like, I don't need anything.

When you say Derek and Gavin can't hurt you,

explain what you mean by that for everyone at home who fears people can hurt them.

Yeah, like I'm not looking for anything from Derek and Gavin.

Most people want something from someone.

Right?

Have you ever noticed, I'm sure this has happened to you, do you know how many nice things I've been offered that are just manipulation for something they want from me?

Yeah.

My favorite one always back in the day was, Gary Vee, I'll pick you up at the airport and drive you to your hotel.

I'm like, no shit.

You're going to pitch me your business or ask me for advice.

Like, I just want to go in the back of a cab and just like, you know, decompress and call my kids.

You know what I mean?

But they were like, look, this nice thing, I'm going to pick you up at the airport and take you to your hotel before your speech.

That wasn't you doing a nice act.

Yeah.

And I'm not even sure those people knew that that's what they were doing.

Which is why I don't judge them.

A lot of what humans do is subconscious.

Again, I don't default into thinking people are bad.

The reason I said, Gavin, there can't hurt me is when people encounter someone new,

they are looking for something.

They are.

Yeah.

You know, love,

validation,

resources.

You know, in families, there's oftentimes the one who does the emotional help for everyone and the one that does the financial help.

And a lot of times they're not the same person.

For me, I've always been the same.

I've been both for my family my whole life and anybody around me.

Those are two of the things in life, right?

You need resources to kind of like put a roof over your head.

And then, like, obviously, people have things they want, which they don't even need.

You don't need anything.

What do you really need?

Like, it's so funny.

Like,

what do you need?

Like, I don't know.

I wish everyone, I literally wish what I'm about to say, wish everyone grew up in a poor household with unconditional love.

They would be able to navigate love so easily life excuse me

yeah so what do i mean i mean that like it's easy for me to like them and to give to them i don't want anything from them

i don't know what else to tell you right now

in your life how do you um and this is i think i think this is relevant to everybody but how do you distinguish between especially new people coming in your life, a lot of people as adults, even young adults, right?

They are in the same rooms in high school.

And then if they go on to college and they're in the same rooms with people and then all of a sudden this whole sort of like new life happens and a lot of people feel like they don't have friends anymore as an adult.

People go in different directions.

A lot of people want to make friends as an adult, whether they're in their 20s or their 80s.

And so for you,

to your point, because a lot of people do want something where you feel like, oh, I need to, you know, a lot of people won't even call their friends when they're hurting because they're like, oh, I don't want to burden them.

I'm just going to them when I have good news to share.

How do you distinguish between real friends and deal friends?

By not thinking about it.

I don't care if someone wants to be a deal friend.

If I decide I want to be their friend and they want to be a deal friend to me, they want something from me, that's okay.

I have the power to say no when they finally ask.

This goes back to Derek and Gavin.

Like,

if somebody befriends me and I decide to be their friend, it's not, I'm not delusional.

I'm aware that there may be a time in five, seven, nine months or five, seven, ten years where the ask will come in, right?

I'm allowed to say no.

And I'm normally going to say yes because I don't care.

Doesn't bother you.

Transactionality doesn't bother you.

It doesn't bother me

because I'm in control.

You know?

Mm-hmm.

This is the biggest punchline.

Once you realize you're 100% in control, 100,

it's game on, Jamie.

I'm in control.

If Ricky becomes my friend and like completely manipulated it, like started to like the Jets because of it, randomly showed up next to our tailgate at the Jet Games so he could sneak in.

Like just...

has like just got there, right?

And all of it was to one day ask for Gary Vee to fund his business idea.

Six years later, 40 dinners later, 20 tailgates together, six road trips to a Jets game together.

Because really the Jets and the Knicks is like the way to sneak into me because I'm always ready for another fan to be part of our crew.

And let's say, like, first of all, my brain wouldn't even, first of all, six years later,

my brain wouldn't even be in the place of like, ah, because no cynicism.

And you don't dwell.

I don't dwell.

And like, he can't hurt me in that story because I can live without Ricky's friendship.

And I don't even blame Ricky.

And by the way, what happens if Ricky actually became infatuated with our friendship along the way?

How about that?

How about if the intent in the beginning wasn't pure, but how about the process of the time together created purity?

There are people who are married.

where one of the partners' intent wasn't super pure, maybe financial, maybe it was just attraction and nothing else.

But through life's journeys, they actually did fall in love.

I truly believe some couples fell in love eight years later.

Happens,

right?

So, you know, I don't know.

I just don't judge because I'm in control.

Yeah.

And by the way, sometimes I fulfill a bad intent because I don't care.

Yeah.

I'm in control.

Yeah.

You're a master at capacity management.

You really are.

I'm just watching this and I'm thinking about all the things that for so many of us take our energy and our time and our emotional state and at the expense of things we could be doing or love we could be giving or impact we could be making or freedom we could be feeling.

I think that's right.

Yeah.

I'm so uncomfortably light.

Yeah.

In a life that is wildly complex.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I feel that and that's really cool.

This is the first time you and I are together in person.

Yes.

First time we're in person.

So I'm getting to see the goosebumps up the arms.

I'm getting to see the tears well in your eyes.

I'm getting to see, like to feel the light energy, you know?

It's so light.

And honestly, you know what that, and it's funny, it compounds.

And as I've gotten older and understood how rare this is, you can't help but lean into gratitude.

Because I know so much of it wasn't just me.

Circumstance, DNA, parenting, environment.

So it's almost like now the momentum's building, Jane.

Because now now I can't help but be so grateful now that I've been in, you know, again, when you're growing up the way I'm growing up, kind of lower middle class, middle class,

you know, I thought if you owned a Mercedes, even a used Mercedes, you were the richest person on earth.

Now that I've lived the last 10 years of my life being in the most rarefied air with the most successful people, either emotionally or financially, or like, and I realize like, oh, wait a minute, I'm not trading with anyone.

I've not met anyone that I'm trading with because they could have so much more than I have materialistically, but I'm struggling to find the person that's lighter.

I think the people that are lighter than me are living very simplistic lives, right?

But I don't want that either.

I'm too hungry.

I like the game too much.

So like in the cross of like you're Zen, you're light, you're stoic, you're Buddha, you're chill, you're fortunate emotionally, and you're a hungry gangster that wants to build and be a workaholic and do all that stuff.

I'm struggling to find my comp and I've met them all.

And so,

man, it makes me very uncomfortable.

In fact, it makes me a little guilty.

I believe why I'm me publicly is a mix of gratitude and guilt.

Listen, not everything, I'm aware, like, I can't help it.

There's a part of me that's unbelievably grateful, and there's a tiny piece of me that feels feels guilty.

Like, why me?

I wish everyone had my mom in New Jersey and Russian immigrants and nothing.

And, you know, very hard to be hungry, Jane, when you're fed.

Do you feel a tiny bit of guilt?

I should say, do you remedy the guilt by giving back and by being bigger than yourself?

Of course.

Yeah.

I leave so much on the table financially every day of my life.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that drives me.

Yes.

And honestly, I'm honestly trying to be careful that I don't get resentment or regret for that either.

You know, I have real talks with myself.

I'm like, hey, Mr.

Giver, superhero,

enabler at worst.

I have to be very careful about that.

Hey, you also are going to be 93.

And are you going to wake up and say, hey, wait a minute, there's a couple more things I wanted from like, hey, you're, you know, these are talks, I'm being very vulnerable right now.

Hey, you're allowed to be selfish a little bit.

That's a human thing too.

Like, don't blame any, hey, jerk.

Don't blame anybody at 93 when you didn't accomplish or get whatever the heck you're going to want at that point because you chose to leave a lot on the table and give, give, give.

Like, that was you.

That wasn't your sister.

That wasn't your brother.

That wasn't your spouse.

Like, that's you.

You know, that wasn't the world.

That's you.

So I don't have a critic, but man, do I have an accountable coach?

So, congratulations.

You're newlywed.

Yes.

You're newlywed.

Congratulations.

When you say you feel light, do you, is that also inspired or encouraged

or celebrated or rubbed off on even more by your wife, Mona?

Of course.

I mean, what is greater than love?

Yeah.

Like what?

Of course.

But again, even with the love of my life,

There is no other human that creates my light.

You know?

Of course, there's so much that you need from the one you love the most, right?

But not lightness,

you know?

I do think that's a personal game.

When you're actually, in fact, I would argue that everybody out there that is in need of their partner

to create their lightness,

you need to be careful.

Right?

Because when you need someone else that is not your therapist

to bring you more lightness,

you are burdening them with your heaviness.

So I would never put that on her.

Not lightness.

Love, though, fuck.

Like,

you know, makes the world go round.

You know, it's really tough right now.

I feel like we're in an era in our world.

You know, social in 2000, a history lesson since I was there, social in 2006, 7, 8, 9 was nirvana.

It was light.

If you go read tweets in 2006, 70,

90% of it was optimism.

It was the early pioneers.

It was the people that wanted to change the world.

Now we've got the masses on it.

All of a sudden, it's heavy.

Something that I want people to learn from.

What does that mean?

It means that people that are looking forward

bring light.

People that are looking backwards bring dark.

Wow.

I'm telling you, Jamie, like, I feel like very empowered right now.

I'm hoping, you know, one of the things I do well as a communicator is I poke at the zit.

I know that there's some people listening right now that are like, they have this weird feeling in their stomach.

They're like inspired, but a little like squirmy because we're poking at them.

I'm poking at someone who's dumping all their crap on their husband or wife two minutes ago.

I'm poking on someone who spends their life looking at the rearview mirror.

Like if you're constantly thinking about your heyday in high school, that's not going to be good.

When you were prettier, when you were skinnier, when you were stronger, when you were more popular, when you had more money, when you were like, like,

even something that's like worthwhile to look back on, when your parents were still alive and you had that love.

Even that, which is worthwhile versus like the vanity of a six-pack or being the prom king or queen, even something like that is not doing you anything good.

Taking the energy of that incredible relationship with your parents and imposing it on your children, that's good.

But being like, woe is me, I wish, I wish, man, I'm telling you, I should have or I wish, do not like that.

I do not like that.

I do not like that because I know what it's doing.

I think so many people are scared to put themselves out there.

They're scared to be who they fully are authentically.

They're scared to be made fun of.

They're scared of the sometimes 25 or 100 negative comments they got or they're scared of, I mean, just all of it.

I think so many people talk about cancel culture, but I feel like the most prevalent form of cancel culture is cancel yourself.

We don't talk about it.

Yeah, it's when you cancel yourself before you even try.

And, you know, I have always felt like, you know, and you're, you're in the same situation where I feel very grateful to authentically in every ounce of my being want to pour into other people and want to, like, I get so happy, Gary, when my friends win, when people I don't even know win, when other women win.

Like, I just in every ounce of my being.

We're blessed.

Oh, yeah.

And I'm blessed.

We're blessed.

But also, like, I remember even on the come up, even when I didn't have,

when it was like rejection after rejection or setback after setback, or I didn't know what was going to happen with the business that I was building, I also knew deep inside of me that someone else's success, because I believe, I mean, for me, you know, I'm like a, my faith is so strong.

I believe that God's calling for my life.

It does not matter what anyone else has got going on.

Someone else has a big win that has, or it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

And you know what?

And you know what people are saying right now?

Oh, easy for you guys.

You made it.

And I say, we made it because of that feeling.

It's the reverse of what people think, James.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Goosebumps.

I hear it all the time.

Gary, but you're this way now.

I'm like, you didn't know me at 17.

Go talk to those 50 people.

They'll tell you I actually was more of this then.

Yeah.

In fact, this will make sense to you.

It was easier to be that because there was no other collateral damage of success then.

In fact, the thing I'm most proud of is I'm pretty close to what I was then.

And most of the people like me and you, you, when we get here, become less than because the world makes them more cynical.

Yes.

Yes.

We're not like this now because we made it.

We made it because we were like this.

Mm-hmm.

All right.

I want to

ask you.

It's the realest thing that was like, you know how real that was, right?

It's like so uncomfortably, right?

It's so real.

And the second everyone who's listening can shed the pain or the anger.

Yes.

It's like a race, James.

This is actually really funny to talk about heavy and light.

Life is a race.

And if you're emotionally light and you love everything and you just let it go, you're fucking faster.

Yeah.

So good.

Of course, I'm first on.

Let me give you one about not being your true self.

At the height of in this last decade of my popularity, when I was crushing it in 1819, like I'm that guy, right?

In the height of that, I decided to make garage sale videos.

In the height of my mogul-ness,

I started making videos of me going to garage sales.

And every VC and private equity and billionaire friend I have, and real friends, texted me and said, what are you doing?

You're making yourself so low.

And I said, that's because you're confused of high and low.

I started doing it because I read my DMs.

You said back to community.

And I was seeing in the highlights of me investing in Facebook and this and that.

And I would tell the story how I invested $25,000 into Twitter, right?

Or it was actually $44,000, whatever it was.

People would DM me and be like, Gary, great for you, but I have $13 in my Wells Fargo.

And I got enough of those that I said, well, wait a minute.

Let me make content around when I had $13 in Wells Spargo.

Let me show the world how easy it is if you're crying about money and you can't and there's separation of wealth and the system's against you.

Let me show you visually of what happens when on a Saturday morning you go to 40 garage sales, spend $113 on the items, $60 in gas, come home and sell it all on eBay and make $1,000 and rinse and repeat.

Years later, I have unlimited DMs from people that have gone from $13 to $100,000 flipping stuff on eBay.

Yes, it might have made me seem lesser than to the elite jerk-offs.

But I wanted to be my full self and I wanted to make that content.

And I wasn't scared that it was going to diminish me as a mogul

because I was rummaging through trash.

And it's such a powerful example of what you said earlier, which is all these other people are saying, oh, Gary, oh, you're this now.

And they're thinking about you.

You're in your DMs thinking about that person.

Correct.

Yeah.

In fact,

I feel that often when I can feel I'm elevating, I try to do things to not let everyone think I'm elevating.

Like, meaning, like, I don't even, like, want

it.

I just want to be in service of it.

Again, because I'm going to get mine.

You know, Vayner, how about this, James?

This is funny.

Vayner Media, my company.

Do you know that almost 99% of the audience has no idea that I'm the actual active CEO of a 2000-plus global agency?

Like, they don't even, like, when people come to Vayner Media, like, that are more in like creator land, or if you came, if you came and did this podcast at Vayner, like a lot of people do, almost every one of them is like, what is this?

I'm like, this is the company.

They're like, what do you, most people just think I'm a personality.

The amount of people in comments that are like, what does he even even do?

I'm like, I run a $360 million a year revenue agency that has completely taken Madison Avenue by storm while I also help my dad build.

his wine business, this wine text.com thing I just did, while I'm building the next Pokemon in Marvel and Disney called V Friends, while I'm building my personal brand, while I'm running one of the most successful emerging sports agencies, really my brother's running that, but I'm helping and my pickleball team and Vayner want my TV production company that Eric Wattenberg's mainly running and and and and and I am one of the most active operational executives in the world and almost the entire universe that knows who I am think I'm a motivational speaker content creator.

I figured out in 2014 that if I documented my entire life, I could create the level of content.

that was required to be a very known creator.

But it's all the sawdust of what I do day to day.

Do you ever get tired of putting out content?

No.

Never.

No, because it's not for me again.

Why would I be tired when I know every single piece of content at least helps one person?

And by the way, I want to be, again, I do not want to leave this podcast like I'm some weird angel and builds awareness about me, which could lead to a path.

like of them hiring my agency, buying my dad's wine, starting to collect my trading cards from B-friends, like, you know, like, what's bad?

Because I don't need it to be working.

J-Mal, let's go to even more authentic place.

I'm not in my prime right this second.

Like in this nanosecond, as I film this with you, I don't think like in the lexicon of personal brands, like I'm like ripping hot.

I'm solid, but I've taken the last 18 months to really be head down on VaynerMedia and on V-Friends, which has taken some of the energy out of me doing my daily vlog, the podcast.

Like, you know what I mean?

I'm not in my height

right this second.

I don't need to be.

Got it?

A lot of people lose because they get to like the top 10 of podcasts.

I used to have my top 10 podcast.

Now I don't.

A lot of people have done better.

I've watched Mel.

Mel and I have been coming up the game together, like, and we've had different moments.

Sometimes I'm hotter, sometimes she's hotter, she's hotter right now.

You know, I love, and I'm pumped for fucking Mel.

This goes back to the whole talk.

Right?

Like, in this second, I'm solid.

I'm a guy.

But, like, but by the way, me doing this podcast is the beginning of next year, 2026.

I'm really going to be hot because I've decided that I want to do tea with Gary Vee every morning, that I want to do winding down with Gary Vee, that I'm going to go very heavy Twitch and kick, which is going to build a lot of 15 to 25 audience.

Like, I just know that I'm going to do a lot more podcasts.

I gained fans off of this today.

There are many women listening right now who've never heard of me or heard one thing and like, I don't like that guy, who are now listening and be like, whoa, I really like that guy.

Because once they get past the, you know, jersey boy, the stuff underneath is the realest, best shit on earth.

So you're very private about your personal life.

We were talking about this before.

Yes.

Before coming on, and you're super, super private.

We now know that you want more kids.

First on the Jamie Current Leva Show.

No Mona was going to be here.

You called her the love of your life.

Yes.

Tell us how she's the love of your life.

You know, it's almost like it's the great mystery of, like, you know, when you just, it's in your stomach?

Yes.

That's it.

I think everybody just understood.

Like, there's like, like, there's so many people I love.

There's so many people I've met that I, you know, but like,

we're just a fucking match, man.

You know, like a puzzle.

Like, it's just,

it's just a level of like

joy and partnership and humor.

Like, you know.

I think people, just like everything.

Just like every ounce of it, like everything, you know, like everything, all of it, the good, the bad, the left, the right.

It's a level of calm.

I struggle to find the words to say the peace of joy and the stillness.

Basically everything else I have in my life, professionally, publicly, everything we've been talking about, to have that in your love of your life, to have that same energy of just like ease and like it's right, even with, I mean, I don't have to tell you or anybody who's listening, there is no relationship on earth that doesn't have its like lefts and rights and bumps and di-da-da-da.

But even when you're in that, you know, it's epic.

Even in the height of like maybe not alignment,

you know, like you'd rip your arms off to stay in it, you know?

You know, like that, that

actually, that's not even the right words for it.

Even in the most misalignment, you're enjoying it because you're doing it with that person and you know it's good and it's like incredibly micro-temporary, like whatever is not perfect.

That's it.

Yeah.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Yeah.

All right.

I want to talk about AI, social media.

Are any of us going to have a job in a few years?

When the tractor came out,

everybody worked on a farm.

And everybody said everybody was in big trouble.

That's the answer to the whole thing.

It's unbelievable how easy that question is for me and how quickly I can answer it.

It's going to be faster than tractor.

There will be moments in the next decade of like the job thing being a little bit uncomfortable, but I anticipate governments and society to pick up the slack.

I actually believe that.

And so, the answer to the question is: every single form of technology ravaged big ones: the car, the train, the airplane,

the tractor, the typewriter, electricity.

Every massive form of new technology has created significant shifts.

This could be the biggest one.

It could be.

It's that big.

I don't want to understate how big AI is.

Jane, people are going to find other jobs because new jobs will be invented.

Let me give you a big one.

This conversation with Gary Vee is so incredible.

We made it into more than one part.

And if you've ever felt uncertain about the future with AI, social media, and the rapid pace of digital growth, if you've wondered, will I even have a job in a few years?

Will AI replace all of us?

Does college still matter?

What should I tell my partner, my friends, my kids, or grandkids to do so that they have a bright future?

If you have these questions, you are not going to want to miss this incredible conversation with Gary Vaynerchuk coming up in the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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