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It's so fucking weird to be sitting here, bro.

Is it?

So strange.

I feel like I've been

like a video game observer, and now I'm like in the video game.

Are we on?

You kind of are.

I mean, it's weird.

It's weird for me.

You know?

Yeah, bro.

Well, thanks.

Thank you for being like the number one promoter of my YouTube channel over the past couple of weeks, bro.

My pleasure.

It's great stuff, man.

I watch it all the time.

You're really good.

You got great shows, man.

I appreciate that.

And I get good guests from your show.

Like, there's a couple of people that have been on your show that I've had on my show.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Chris Dunn was the first dude, I think.

And then you recently had Mary Bowdoin and a few others.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Christopher Dunn, man, that was a wild one.

And now that they found these structures underneath the pyramid, it's it's kind of validating a lot of the things these people are saying.

You know, there's a lot of controversy about what those structures are and what it means and how accurate the readings are.

But they do know that those satellite images were able to show very accurately this one tomb that was 50 feet underground.

And it showed the dimensions of this one tomb.

So I don't know what the capabilities are, if it really can decipher what's under two kilometers of, you know, whatever is underneath Giza.

but there's something going on for sure yeah i had a dude on my show a couple weeks ago who was explaining how that was a part of some youtube channel that put something together in italy i think it was

and um the people that were involved with it were promoting some sort of technology that had something to do with penetrating the ground some like different kind of lidar or something like this it's called what is it called something tomography yeah yeah yeah jammy see what it's called but these guys just did another uh explanation of it, like another deep dive where they did like this presentation and showed it.

It's very convincing.

Like, there's a lot of people that are 100% on board.

I mean, it remains to be seen.

It has to be vetted.

But according to, you know,

some people that I trust that really understand the technology, they said, there's absolutely something there.

You know, whether or not the problem is they made those 3D detailed images of what it looked like, like sort of an artist rendition.

And you looked at those and it's it's got like the coils and the spirals.

Like, yeah.

It looks a little too much.

I don't know what that is.

You could see there are coils around those columns, but what are they?

Are they stairs?

Is it like a coil that generates like an energy coil, like something that conducts electricity or carries electricity?

Like, what is it?

It's a solid-state electron harvester.

Is that what they say?

That's what Chris Dunn says.

Oh, I don't know.

I don't know if you can.

Can you talk to him about what's underneath?

Yeah, he thinks that it was, he thinks that the whole thing, his new book, which is called The Tesla Connection, basically explains that it's a,

he thinks that there was like a

device in the subterranean chamber, like a hammer that hammered the earth.

And then the plane, the Giza Plateau, is like, is active, seismically active area.

And when it hammers the earth, it creates many earthquakes.

You're familiar with this, right?

Right.

And it and it vibrates all the limestone.

All the limestone, and it's got like this hammer, this effect, like doom, doom, doom.

And it creates some sort of a vibration in the granite and the limestone.

Yeah.

Okay.

To overcome this author has analyzed micromovements within the pyramid, typically induced by background seismic waves, to achieve high-resolution, full 3D tomographic images of its interior imaging of its interior and subsurface.

The approach rendered the pyramid transparent, allowing for the reconstruction of internal objects and the discovery of previously unseen structures.

So if it's got an act if it works and shows the actual internal structure of the pyramid accurately, and it can accurately depict that one,

the one, was it a temple, or what was it?

That was,

I feel like it was a temple that was 50 feet underground.

It had the exact interior dimensions of it.

Yeah.

I mean, there's probably something to it, and we're going to find out eventually, hopefully.

You think?

I don't know, man.

These guys like, like, guys like Zawi Hawass and these gatekeepers of this information, they do not want any groundbreaking new discovery to come out.

They really don't, especially something like that.

If you really find out there's giant columns underneath the pyramid and that there's these structures that go down two kilometers into the ground, like

all bets are off then.

Try explaining that away for people that live 2,500 BC.

Like that's kind of kooky.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the mystery of the pyramids and, you know, moving those blocks and building that fucking thing that long ago is crazy on one hand.

But then on the other hand, those those fucking granite vases

that are so precise within like the deviation of a human hair.

Yeah, this is a 3D print of one of them that Christopher Dunn gave me.

Yeah, it's insane.

It's insane.

They measured these on light scanners at like a huge aerospace corporation somewhere.

And they found out like it's so symmetrical, you couldn't make this unless you had a CNC machine.

Right.

And then how would you make the handles?

Right, exactly, because it's a part of it.

Right, it's not like you can even turn it on a lathe.

Right.

And it's accurate.

How many thousandths of a human hair?

Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, I think it's like one one-thousandth of a human hair, like completely undetectable.

Bananas.

And then there's also some of those sculptures that they made that look like they're 3D printed.

I mean, they're incredible.

Perfectly symmetrical on the left side and the right side.

And we don't really understand it.

And we don't know what technology they were using, what kind of tools they were using.

And it's hard to know, man.

It's hard to know.

When they burned the Library of Alexandria and they they destroyed all the records, there's so much missing from the history of Egypt and how they did what they did.

Just moving the stuff.

How did you move it?

How did you move those fucking enormous stones?

Like, what did you do?

Have you heard of this dude named Jeffrey Drum?

He has a channel called The Land of Chem.

He lives in Egypt.

He lives, like, I think right across the street from the pyramids.

And he's basically got this

very

interesting theory that it was all chemical manufacturing and the pyramids were chemical manufacturing plants.

And I am going to like butcher this description, but I'm going to do my best.

Basically, what he found was that in a bunch of the other pyramids, like the red pyramid and some of the other pyramids, he's been in there and gone through them all.

And he's basically...

What they describe when they go in there is this smell, which some people equate to being like bat shit.

But what he thinks is going on is it's creating some sort of like a chemical reaction in those chambers to create fertilizer.

Because there's a subterranean chamber below those where they have like all kinds of, they were putting shit in there, like animal shit down there.

And then there's also these like ravines, these like cutout channels that come out of the bottom of the pyramid.

And there's these bowls that were supposed to collect like chemicals.

So he has this really elaborate theory on how, which I, when I heard him tell me this, it made so much sense.

But the problem was like,

it makes sense it seems super reasonable but like

why build these massive structures that are so precise just to make chemicals

and you know he was explaining like the agriculture and like why they needed to create fertilizer and um

why'd they need the massive stone structure to exactly fertilizer right exactly isn't it possible that things also had

one they like they built them and then someone used them later on for different purposes Isn't that possible as well?

I think so.

Like instead of it being built for that, like maybe they just used it for that eventually?

That's possible.

Yeah.

But it seems like the way he was describing the interior, though, of that, of the red pyramid was like it was reverse engineered to actually create the chemical that they would have needed to

enhance the agriculture of the area.

Like they showed it.

They actually created it in a lab with like using the chemical process.

I think there was like some Nazi scientists involved in this, of course.

Of course.

The recreation of it.

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Yeah, I know.

Well, Christopher Dunn's stuff was all about them creating hydrogen, right?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

That's what he felt, like the whole thing was generating hydrogen.

And that's what he thought.

The whole those

columns that went down, those passages that went down, and then there was the porous limestone that was at the end that seeped through, and he believed that this was all like some sort of a chemical reaction that they had to doing this.

What is here, Jamie?

Oh, the Red Pyramid was okay, built as a power plant to produce ammonia from methane and nitrogen.

That's what it was.

Fritz Haber won the Nobel Prize about a century ago.

Yeah, the Haber process.

Fritz Haber's a crazy story.

Do you know that story?

No.

Okay.

Fritz Haber

devised a method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere.

And for that, he was winning a Nobel Prize at the same time in which he was being wanted for war crimes because he also created Zyklon gas.

So he created the gas that they were using to spray on the Allies.

So they would get this gas and spray it with fans.

This was the first time they'd ever done something like this before, used gas in warfare.

And they used, and he was a Jew, and they used, he created Zyklon A,

which was then converted to Zyklon B.

So Zyklon A had a very disgusting smell to it, so you knew it was coming.

And then Zyklon B they used during the Holocaust to gas the Jews,

and it had no smell.

So they they yeah,

so I think it was initially made as a pesticide.

I think that was the initial

here, see what it says there.

Oh, this is different.

Oh, this is

different.

This is about how the Egypt thing would have been this.

Okay, we'll get to that.

But the Fritz Hopper thing,

you know, he was eventually exiled from

Nazi Germany because he was Jewish.

Like, they allowed him to stay initially in the beginning because he was so valuable because he had done so much and because he did create this gas that they were using to gas the Allies.

And then, you know, but imagine guys up for a Nobel Prize at the same time where he's wanted for war crimes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And because he was doing all this, his wife commits suicide.

She shoots herself in the chest.

He leaves her and his 13-year-old son to go to the front line while she's struggling for her life like she's still alive.

She eventually dies.

He leaves her.

Yeah, the whole thing's horrific.

And then he dies on the run.

So he dies, I think he had a heart complication, which, duh, how much stress was that guy under?

Right, and then he leaves Nazi Germany when you know the shit is going down.

He's on the run, and he winds up dying on the run.

I think he was dying on his way to try to seek medical care.

Yeah, bro.

That I mean, the story of what those fucking Nazis were doing is bananas.

It's insane.

You had Annie on here, and she talked about

what was going on when she tried to interview some of those guys that were still in Germany.

I think she tried to interview like the grandson of one of the dudes that she wrote about.

I can't remember his name right now, a dude with like a huge dueling scar on his face.

And this guy like wanted nothing to do with his grand, with his father or whatever.

And,

you know, she had these documents that she found when she went to Germany.

And she was like, I guess she found a bunch of notes or whatever that he wrote to his son when he came, when after he went to America with paperclip.

And his grand, or this was his grandson, I think.

Operation Paperclip, for people listening, is they shipped over a bunch of the best Nazi scientists and brought him into NASA and some other departments at the end of the war.

And the grandson wanted nothing to do with his father.

He like detested him, his father, with every fiber of his being.

And she was showing him the notes and like showing him like the humanity of the guy.

The guy was torn between like being this scientist, contracted to do all this crazy shit for America, but he still loved his wife and son.

on the other hand.

And he was like, he was so just torn apart by the fact that he had to leave them behind.

And then she showed the dude the documents.

And then Annie Jacobson freaking hightailed it out of there with all that secret Nazi shit, like, didn't get caught.

Which is incredible.

Well, it's just wild the stuff they were working on.

Like, how were they so advanced?

And why were they so obsessed with the occult?

Yeah.

You know?

It's like all that Indiana Jones stuff, that was kind of legit.

Like, they were really interested in the occult.

Yeah.

Interdimensional aliens.

What's Alex thinking?

Interdimensional child lusters.

I haven't talked to him about about that.

We have talked about Operation Paperclip, but only in regards to Wernher von Braun.

They were in deep denial about that.

But the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Werner von Braun was alive today, he would be prosecuted.

He'd be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Yeah, when he was running his rocket factory in Berlin, he would take the five slowest Jews and hang them from the front of the...

the factory so that as you're walking in, like, this is what happens if you move slowly.

And that was the head of NASA who supposedly got us to the moon.

Speaking of the moon.

Have you seen that documentary called Room 237?

Yes.

I just watched it last night.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Fucking banana.

Yeah, that's bananas.

The connections between Kubrick's the shining and the moon landing and all the hidden stuff that he did, all the Easter eggs, including the little boy with the NASA shirt on, the Apollo shirt on.

The Apollo 11 shirt on, and then the key to the room 237 said room

in, instead of NO 237, it just said room in 237.

So you could, bro, I mean, I am like, what does that mean?

So, like, if you take the letters R-O-O-M and then N, you can

recombobulate them to say moon.

Oh, God.

Right.

Like, there's so much dot connecting in that fucking, in that documentary.

It's absurd.

There's an absurd level of dot connecting that just is

unreasonable.

But the stuff about the moon, though, like the kid wearing the Apollo 11 shirt, right?

The number of the door is the distance from the earth to the moon in miles.

Yeah.

Thousands of miles.

Yo, I think it's like a thousand miles short.

Yeah.

And then, like, also the psychological

trauma,

the scenes with Jack and his wife saying, like, don't you know what a contract is?

Where he's like living his double life and he's like arguing with his wife and talking about contracts and secrecy and all this stuff.

And then, uh,

and then, you know, there's that, there's so many weird things.

And like that ball rolls up to Danny on the carpet and then it cuts and then it cuts back to him like picks up the ball and the carpet shape is different there's so many like strange

in there what's that supposed to signify I have no idea it's just like another it's just it either that movie has like an insane level of like

continuity errors or he was doing something oh he was probably doing it on purpose you know Kubrick in his spare time would do complex mathematics in his spare time yeah he was a like a legitimate genius.

And it's amazing that he pulled off the greatest science fiction movie of all time, especially at the time, during the exact same time period where the moon landings were filmed.

And the stuff from 2001 is more sophisticated.

It looks better than the stuff from the moon landings.

So the idea that you couldn't fake it.

It's like, yeah, that guy could fake it.

100% he could fake it.

And if they hired him to fake it, if they brought him aboard, the idea that he wouldn't be able to keep secret, like, of course, he could.

Right.

Yeah, people keep secrets.

This idea that people can't keep secrets because some people can't keep secrets.

Like, listen, high-level military guys keep secrets all the fucking time.

They go to the grave with those secrets.

Yeah.

They swear to secrecy.

They swear to an oath.

You know, they have top secret clearance and above and whatever it is.

And they don't say shit forever.

Their whole fucking family doesn't know what they're doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The

thing about the like, if you think the moon landing was fake, you're a moron.

But

it's like the thing about it is

if they even if you want to say they did go to the moon, wouldn't it be

reasonable to suggest that they would have had a backup plan in case they couldn't get there?

Like

have some sort of a video footage that they shot or whatever.

Well, not only that, they filmed a lot of training footage.

And they definitely tried to pass some of that training footage off as legit.

That's proven.

Like the Michael Collins from

Gemini, I forget what mission it was.

It was a spacewalk.

So there's an image of him

that was in training, and he's got the suit on and the wires, and he's, you know, working with the spacesuit that you use when you're actually in

outside of the capsule or whatever the fuck they call it.

And what they did was from the training mission, they just blacked out the exterior of the same photo and reversed it.

So they switched the photo the other way, blacked, it's the exact same photo, the exact same photo, and they tried to pass it off as Michael Collins on the spacewalk.

Because you got to think, like, how are they taking pictures?

Who's going to take the picture of them out there?

This is part of the problem with,

I think it was Apollo

12 or 13, whichever one it was, where they got the footage of the lunar module leaving the moon and going back towards the orbiter.

And it looks so fake.

It looks so fake.

It looks so ridiculous.

There's no plumes of fire.

It like, how does it have the power?

Where's the engine?

They usually car batteries, right?

On that thing, allegedly.

That's what Bart Sabrell says.

It's still one-sixth of Earth's gravity.

It's still a significant amount of gravity.

It's not the same gravity as Earth, but how does that thing like shoot off into space?

Like, that's nonsense.

It looks like it's being pulled by strings.

Yeah.

And the camera, which is operated, you know, remotely, pans perfectly to catch it.

Shut the fuck up, but how are you getting that footage?

Like, what are you doing?

This is 1969.

You're on the phone with Richard Nixon from the moon.

Are you out of your fucking mind?

Is this supposed to be real?

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Right in the middle of Operation Paperclip, MK Ultra, the Cold War, all the fucking deception that was going on, all the secrets.

They lied about everything.

That was the time in history where they probably had the most fucking lies.

Vietnam War.

They lied about everything.

So the idea that they didn't lie about this one thing, the moonland, was all 100% legit.

Meanwhile, you've got intersecting shadows.

You've got all sorts of problems.

You've got the weirdest one is Neil Armstrong's...

25th anniversary speech that he gave at the White House.

That was so crazy.

We have here among us America's best and brightest.

You will achieve great things.

Once you reveal some of truth's hidden layers.

Once the hidden layers are uncovered.

What?

How about just say, I went to the moon 25 years ago?

Like, what is all this cryptic talk?

That was the only time you ever did a public talk, I think, about it.

Well, the other thing is the post-flight press conference.

The post-flight press conference looks like these guys have a gun to their head.

It looks like a hostage video.

It looks so weird.

And people are like, oh, they were nervous.

They just got back from the moon.

Bro, look at Katy Perry.

She went basically a little bit higher than an airplane, and it was like a life-changing experience.

She's holding up a daisy.

It was amazing.

I feel so connected to Mother Earth.

You know, like these guys would have been ecstatic.

The idea that they would have been nervous as if they've been forced to lie, they're behaving.

Like, behavior experts have looked at that footage and said, these guys are being deceptive.

Yes.

Particularly Michael Collins.

There's also inconsistent things with what he said during the post-flight press conference right after flying in comparison to his 1994 book.

Change the story, right?

Changes the story about being able to see the stars.

What were the stars like?

And he's like, I don't know.

Don't remember.

I don't know what Carl Steering is sharp.

And then in the 1994 book, he talks about how amazing they were and incredible.

The footage that Sabrell acquired that shows that it appears that they covered up the windows to make this deceptive film that looks like they're far into space.

That's a weird one, man, because I can't find any rational explanation.

I tried to look at it like as objectively as possible because I've gone back and forth on the moon thing like at one point in time I thought I'm just being really stupid like of course they went to the moon everybody would know about this and then over like I joked about it in my comedy special like after COVID I'm like I don't think we went to the moon but that's kind of true like once I saw the level of deception that was willfully pushed forth during COVID and how many people were cooperating with this and like how many organizations government organizations were cooperating knowing that they lied knowing that these were lies.

I'm like, yeah, they can lie about all kinds of things.

And this is today with the internet.

You know, like, look, where's the Epstein files?

Can't find them.

Don't exist.

Like, they can get away with shit, man.

And the idea that they couldn't in 1969, shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up.

They could fake that.

It'd be easier to go to the moon than it would be to fake it.

Shut the fuck up.

No, it wouldn't.

Not if you physically can't get a human being through the Van Allen radiation belts without them dying.

They never even flew a chicken through those fucking things and had it come back alive.

Russia threw it flew a dog and it came back and died two days later, I think.

But they didn't even go to deep space.

No, just through the, I think they just went into the belt and then did a U-turn.

Bro,

no one's even been close.

Have you seen the I'm sure you've seen this?

The photo of Jolly West hanging out on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey?

No.

You haven't seen it?

Oh,

oh, that's amazing.

Should I send send it on there?

Fuck yeah, send it to Jamie.

Oh, my God.

Do you have his number?

No.

But you could probably Google it.

It's probably.

Yeah, see if you can find it if you Google it.

Yeah, just Jolly West, Stanley Kubrick, 2001 Space Odyssey.

It's a photo of them walking between the sound stages, and it's a wide shot of a bunch of dudes.

Listen, man, of course they...

That's not it.

That's not it.

Of course, they would contact Kubrick if they wanted to go to the moon and fake it.

Yeah.

And of course, if Kubrick was...

If you're in the middle of the Cold War, which they were, which was very terrifying.

Right.

Right.

When I was a kid, when I was in high school, we were terrified of Russia bombing America.

Yes.

Everyone was like really concerned.

And Russia was the great enemy.

You know, the video of Khrushchev yelling, we will bury you.

Like, that was like burned into every American child's mind.

And if you're a patriot and you wanted to defeat Russia, we have a strategy to defeat Russia, and this is what we're going to do.

First of all, we're going to bankrupt them by just making them spend to keep up with us.

And they don't have a capitalist society, so they don't really have a GDP.

Well, they have a GDP, but they don't have the same sort of corporate structure that we have in America where they're striving and innovating and developing new things.

The companies are getting bigger and there's more growth.

No, they're a communist.

They were a communist country.

So everything was like food lines.

And they didn't have the kind of money that we have.

It wasn't even close.

So Reagan essentially bankrupted them.

And then, you know, during the time, and, you know, all the other people before him as well, but during the time where they were developing these rocket ships, the Russians were way more advanced than us.

And basically every single thing.

They got to space first, put the first man in space, put the first satellite in space, and they couldn't even come close to putting a guy on the moon.

Yeah.

It's amazing.

It's incredible also that.

There was never another nuke that was sent to anybody after Fat Man and Little Boy.

Yeah, that's incredible.

It's really, it is really insane to think about sometimes.

Yeah, that's one of the great achievements of human beings.

We did it once and we said, let's not do that again.

Annie's book about nuclear war scared the living shit out of me, bro.

Oh my god, yeah, it's a good one.

How she said that we have 11 interceptor missiles in the U.S.

That's it.

A total,

I think it's 11 or maybe 22.

Or no, it's 44.

44.

40 Russia has 5,000 missiles.

Yeah.

And the problem with it is like if a rogue nuke got launched from North Korea from one of their submarines, it would have to fly over the North Pole, right, towards us.

And as soon as they launch it with all of our satellite systems that we can detect the thing, the rocket burner like going into orbit, we'll know within five minutes of them launching it, probably before.

And then we literally have to, I guess the way she described it was our policy is once that nuke is launched, we have to empty our silos, our ICBM silos, because they're stationary.

They can't, if they're hit, they're going to try to take us out at those ICBM sites.

That's going to be like one of their first targets.

So it's user to lose.

You have to launch all those ICBM nukes, and then we have to fly those over the North Pole, over Russia to hit North Korea.

And it takes like 11 minutes.

So like, you got to get Putin on the phone in 10 minutes saying, yo, these nukes aren't coming for you, bro.

They're going for Kim Jong-un.

Oh, my God.

And then by that time, it's like, if you don't have like perfect communication amongst all these world leaders, everyone's going to be launching nukes.

Well, you know the story about that one Russian military guy that was the reason why Russia didn't launch a retaliatory strike because there was a

error.

Yeah.

There was an error, and they thought the United States had launched a missile towards Russia, and they were ready to respond.

Wow.

That's Jolly West in the background, bro.

It's unconfirmed if it was him.

I don't know if anyone confirmed it.

If you can find a young man,

zoom in on him.

Let's zoom in on him right here.

I saw the video where someone's talking about it, and that's him.

Oh, that's him, bro.

I don't know.

What are you talking about?

You don't know.

I haven't.

Jamie works for the government, by the way.

Jamie's CIA.

That's 100% him look at that picture now go to the other picture you just showed.

That's him.

That's Jolly West.

Yeah, that's him dude.

I mean nothing to see here.

Yeah, that is 100% him.

That's exact same face.

Shut the fuck up, Jamie.

Find another one.

Corroborate it.

That's all.

I'm just trying.

I don't think that's out of all the people that I wish were alive that I could talk to, Kubrick is number one on that list.

Really?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah.

First of all, he made some of the most impactful.

Well, I would like to talk to Jolly West, too, if he'd be willing.

Fuck.

There'd be a few people.

See, I don't feel like they look the same.

Dude was everywhere.

Yeah, that looks like him, Jamie.

They look similar.

Yeah, it looks like him.

It doesn't look like that guy.

Look at that guy.

Look at the far left photo.

I mean, I mean,

it seems pretty close.

Jamie, that's him.

Shut the fuck up.

Hairline is identical.

Look at the hairline.

Jamie's a party poop, bro.

Jamie's a total party poop.

I'd like to pick it up.

I want good evidence.

There's a little part right here on that guy's head, and that guy's.

Oh, my God, he combed his hair different.

Crazy.

I hate when facts don't line up with my theory.

The part in the second one is exactly the same.

That one right there is exactly the same.

He started losing his hair and he started doing a little bit of a comb over.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Look, man, that guy was one of the biggest pieces of shit in the history of the United States government.

What he did was nuts.

Just the fucking Manson stuff was nuts.

The MK Ultra stuff was unbelievable.

And imagine you could do all this stuff.

No one's investigating you.

No one even knows.

It's all completely top secret.

Congress has no idea you even exist in this realm.

And they were running around doing like.

Yeah, I was talking to Hamilton about it.

I'm like, dude, isn't that crazy?

All the stuff they were doing with MK Ultra.

Hamilton's like, uh, no.

Of course, those guys were doing that shit.

Who's Hamilton?

Hamilton Morris.

Oh, Hamilton.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that guy, of course.

Like, of course, they were doing that, bro.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, look, if you have some unique compound like LSD and, you know, it gets, you know, Hoffman discovers it, and then they start experimenting, like, what can we do with this stuff and then you you find it has profound effects on the human mind of course you're going to try to use it for mind control they had already experimented with all sorts of techniques in regards to

doing it with prisoners like taking prisoners and trying to figure out like what kind of sleep deprivation what kind of what psychological techniques can you use to extract information from them so if you had something like lsd of course they're going to try that makes sense yeah they were doing it way back in the 50s in the UK with those British soldiers.

I'm sure you've seen that video.

No, I have not.

You never seen that?

No, they dosed up these soldiers with acid and then had them go out in the field and do these training routines, training exercises.

And they couldn't do it.

See if you can find the video.

It's hilarious.

They were just laughing so hard they couldn't perform.

Like some of them were able to do their duties, and other ones just fell to the ground.

They were just laughing and rolling around the ground.

Like, this is them.

This is 64.

These guys are high on acid.

Is that what it says, Jamie?

do you just said make it smaller again so you can see it uh yeah 64.

royal marines so look at these poor guys the men begin to relax and giggle

what the fuck are we doing here bro they probably didn't even tell them and this guy freaked out he had to be removed he's holding that lady's hand i love you i think you're amazing we're all connected god is real there is no death

And

he's aiming the missile.

He's like, he's aiming this fucking,

this cannon.

Look at these people.

Note the bunch of indecision as they enter a wood.

Almost immediately,

section commander tried to use a map.

He couldn't read the map.

They're just tripping balls.

Oh, my God.

It's so funny that they try.

Look at this smile on their face.

These guys, the guy's got his hand over his head, like, what is going on, man?

And then supposed to be doing these exercises.

Radioed communication

difficult, if not impossible.

He's like, fuck this.

Unfucking real.

Look at them.

This guy's just laying down, laughing, having so much fun.

He tried to chop a tree down using only a spade.

You know, sense of responsibility in spite of physical illnesses.

But one hour into.

Imagine what they're doing now.

Those guys are dead.

There's a...

Yeah.

The DARPA, that DARPA grant that went to University of North Carolina to figure out how to take the psychedelic trip out of LSD, I think it was.

Yeah.

They're trying to make super soldiers, right?

They're trying to make them so they can, this is what I've heard, is that they are trying to make them more effective on the battlefield with things like edge detection

and also coming back, like get back out there, like take them through the take them through the process, let them recoup and get right back out in the battlefield

to where, you know,

if you could get all the benefits of a psychedelic without the trip,

would you get those benefits and would it be useful for soldiers soldiers in combat?

You know, it's an interesting idea.

Well,

the Vikings took mushrooms, the Berserkers, they would take mushrooms before combat.

Yeah.

I mean, it does make sense.

It really does.

It doesn't make sense to us because we think of mushrooms as like, you know, hey, man, I'm going to go connect with God and it's going to be peaceful.

I'm going to lay in a field.

It's going to be amazing.

I'm going to reset and come back and tell everybody I love them.

You know, that's what mushrooms are to us.

But if you live in an insanely warlike culture and you believe it's right to go to battle and you're supposed to go to battle and Odin is on your side and you take these mushrooms to summon the strength of the gods and to prepare yourself for battle.

And I know a lot of guys who fight on mushrooms.

Really?

Yeah, yeah.

Like Joe Schilling talked about it on the podcast.

He fought.

He took like a small dose and was sparring and then fought a few kickboxing bouts that way.

He said he could see what guys were doing before they were doing it.

It's It's almost like he could, and Joe Schilling's a world champion, like an elite kickboxer, like one of the best ever.

And so, for a guy like that to say that it had a profound effect on him, he knows, he knows his body.

Like, he's battle-hardened.

He knows the difference between regular fighting and fighting on mushrooms.

He said he could see, he could almost like know what they were going to do before they did it.

That's wild.

Yeah.

There's this dude who is like, I heard about Dana Beale, who's flying Ibogaine to the troops in Ukraine, to the Ukrainian troops, trying to get those guys on Ibogaine.

And meanwhile, the Russians are on, what's that meth drop?

There's like a new age meth that they're on.

There's a new age meth?

Yeah, there's a new version of it.

This is the new version of what the Nazis are.

It's not Purviton.

It's like a new version of it.

It's like a little bit, it's a little bit tamer.

Adderall,

I guess.

Maybe.

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million prescriptions of adderall given in this country every year gavin mcginnis told me before i came here i was like you got any advice for joe rogan he's like

he said slam three beers and eat an outer all.

I was like, no, bro.

That's not what he would do.

Yeah.

Do you ever see the time he came in dressed like Michael Douglas?

Yeah.

Walking down.

Of course.

Walking.

What is it?

What was the movie?

I forget the name of the movie, but yeah.

Freaked out.

Michael Douglas had enough.

Yeah.

No, he slams beers 24-7.

He's constantly drinking Budweiser.

I've never seen him without a Budweiser in his hand.

It works?

Yeah.

He's great.

Oh, he's a smart guy.

Yeah.

He's a funny guy, too.

He just, the Proud Boys thing was just, if he had never done that, he would be like,

well, a famous commentator, too.

Yeah.

Like, you think about

Steve Bannon, all these other guys, like, he's way funnier than any of those guys.

Oh, yeah.

He's very insightful.

Like, he's right about a lot of things.

He picks up on trends and culture and sees where people are going.

And he was aware of the dangers of Marxism and a lot of this fucking ridiculous leftist ideology that they were pushing in universities, like way before anybody else was.

Yeah,

there was this documentary that just came out all about him from one of the guys, Thomas, that used to work for Vice.

He was like one of the original reporters for Vice.

He did all like the early stuff.

And he made this documentary all about Gavin.

And it's like focuses on the transformation from like early punk rock,

like liberal Gavin in the UK with like the mobs and the rockers to like the current Gavin, which is like, you know, he frames him as this, like this super right-wing racist dude.

And, you know, I was asking Gavin about it.

He came on the podcast recently.

And he's like, I've always been the same.

He's like,

he was explaining that his views never changed.

He was saying that like vice

all of a sudden was getting infused with millions of corporate dollars.

And I wasn't a good look for that.

They didn't want me in there.

But meanwhile, he was like the whole soul of vice.

Like if there was no Gavin, there was no vice.

Like all the controversial do's and don'ts shit and like all those controversial articles about like trans and trans shit early in like the early 2000s that he was doing was funny.

And like culture didn't look at it the way it looks at it today, you know?

Well, he was being attacked for things that are like openly discussed today, like the dangers of trans ideology and that these are just men.

And a lot of these men are doing it because they're perverts.

And so

they're autogynophilics.

And, you know, autogynophilia is a real thing.

It's men who get sexually aroused and pretending that they're women and they want to go into women's spaces and be sexually aroused.

You know,

now people are saying that openly, right?

Like,

what was the university that Leah Thomas was swimming in?

Penn.

Penn.

Okay, so they have to take away all of, air quotes, her gold medals.

It's a guy, like, has a penis, has sex with women, supposedly, according to Tony Hinchcliffe.

That's my number one source of news.

But he actually has a bit about it.

It's really funny.

But

the university now has to apologize to all the women that were forced to compete with him and say they fucked up and never do it again and not allow biological men to compete with women, which is like, it should be,

that should be a left-wing perspective.

Not that you shouldn't be able to be trans.

Of course, you should be able to do whatever you want.

I'm for you doing whatever you want if you don't hurt other people.

If you really believe you're a woman, and look, if you can get fake tits and you can get fake lips and you can get a dick enlargement and like, do whatever you want to do.

I don't care.

Do whatever you want to do.

I'm covered covered with tattoos.

I've made stupid decisions.

Like, do whatever you want to do.

But when you're competing with women, you are essentially victimizing these women.

You're forcing these women to compete with men who've been through puberty, and in this case, still have a functional penis, which is fucking bananas.

That's a man.

Just because you think you're a woman,

physically, we know there's a difference.

I didn't know it was a giant problem until there was that fighter, Fallon Fox, who had competed twice against women without letting them know that this person was a biological male for 30 years, fathered a child, the whole deal.

I'm like, this is crazy.

And that his response was, it's a medical condition, so I don't have to disclose this.

You know, it's medical information, which is just horseshit.

It's crazy.

And when I was saying that, I got attacked like over and over and over again.

I go, whoa, this is from the left.

Like, the left has no problem with a mentally ill man beating the shit out of women,

falsely claiming that they're what, not even allowing these women to know.

These women think they're going to go compete in a low-level MMA fight.

Like a lot of them didn't look good.

They didn't look like they were well-trained.

And they're competing against a biological man without having any idea.

One of them got a fractured skull.

You know, it's like...

That's when I would realize like, oh, this is just a cult.

This isn't the left that I grew up with.

You know, I grew up with parents that were hippies.

And so like my whole whole life I was left-wing.

I felt like that was the only way to be.

But when you see the left allowing this bizarre loophole where perverts can pretend to be women, compete with women, fight with women, beat them up, be in their locker rooms, walk around naked with their dick hanging out, no one can say anything.

Like, how did they switch?

How did they flip it on its head that, like, at any other time in history, if a man had a penis is walking through a young girl's locker room, you'd be in real fucking trouble, rightly so, because that's not a thing that you should want to do.

That's a weird thing to want to walk around naked with your dick hanging out in front of a bunch of women.

That's a creepy sexual thing, period.

Yeah.

Yeah, unless you're like Nero, you're not doing that.

Even Nero.

Sick fuck.

But like another thing Gavin was pointing out, he showed me this New York Times, or not New York Times, this Time magazine cover from like a couple months ago.

And it was all about how tomboys are going extinct.

You've seen that?

Yeah.

It's incredible.

Yeah, because they're turning them all into the boat.

They're cutting their tits off and turning them into boys.

They're cutting their tits off.

And then giving them fake dicks.

I was watching this operation today.

You watched an operation?

Excuse me, I should say this.

I was watching a video on the post-op.

I saw images of the operation.

That was enough.

But it was this poor person who decided they wanted a piece standing up.

That was all they wanted from this fake dick.

So they have these enormous scars on their leg where they take a giant chunk of flesh out of your thigh and roll it up and make a penis out of it.

And they had to do it to both legs for some reason.

Maybe one of them didn't work real well.

But how old was this person?

They sounded young.

They didn't show their face.

You know, it's fucking insane because a lot of these people, unfortunately, are autistic.

And then there's this other factor when you give them testosterone, it does alleviate anxiety because all of a sudden, you know, you have this new hormone in abundance in your system.

Yeah.

And you feel different.

You feel better.

You feel more confident, which is like the same way men feel when they have more testosterone.

It's like, then all of a sudden you're like, oh, this is who I was all along.

Like, no, no, no, you're taking a fucking compound that's forcing your body to change.

Like, this is not who you were.

You're not affirming your identity.

You're doing something that's altering your hormonal structure and turning you into a man.

Like, it might feel good, but this is not like your true self.

This is crazy.

Like, I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it.

If you want to do it, if you're a woman and you want to take testosterone and be a man or be more manly, I don't, I feel like I don't know if it's the best decision for you, but I'm not you.

And I'm, I believe in freedom.

I believe in 100% human freedom as long as you're not hurting other people.

Yeah.

My, my, my beef with it is like it translated into them invading women's spaces.

And, you know, that's crazy.

That's crazy because you

leave the loophole for perverts.

There could be a lot of them that legitimately trans people that feel like they are in the wrong body and they want to live their life as a woman.

And when they live their life as a woman, woman, they feel healthier.

They feel better.

They're happier.

And also, crazy people.

And if you don't have a way of determining who is just a pervert who just wants to hang out in the women's locker room and show everybody his dick, and who is a legitimate person with gender dysphoria.

And that's the other thing that Tucker had a really good point about this.

He said, if someone has anorexia, you don't tell them, yeah, you're fat.

Yeah, you're fat.

You're right.

You're correct.

Even though you look like a skeleton, you need to lose weight.

No, you tell them you're you're mentally ill.

This is incorrect.

You're not overweight.

In fact, you have body dysmorphia.

You can't see what you really look like, which we know is a real condition.

Like, it's a real condition with anorexia.

It's even a real condition with bodybuilders.

It's a real condition.

A real condition when people get plastic surgery, where they get crazy lips and crazy cheeks, and they can't see it.

They can't see it.

They can't see themselves.

It's nuts.

They turn themselves into all these girls looking like Jar Jar Binks walking around.

They look like monsters.

They look like monsters.

And it doesn't look good.

And they keep tweaking and fucking with it.

And they can't see it because it's a mental illness.

It's the same kind of thing.

Like the human mind is incredibly fragile.

That's why Jolly West was fascinated with trying all these MK Ultra techniques and different compounds on people's brains because human people can be manipulated very easily, shockingly easily.

Not all of us, right?

Like you and me are probably pretty skeptical.

There's a lot of skeptical people out there, but there's a bunch of people that are not skeptical at all.

They're super gullible.

And when an ideology forms, they step in line and they follow that ideology verbatim to the line.

They'll repeat the things that they're supposed to say to the line because they think that's what they're supposed to do in order to be in the good graces of this community that they find themselves in.

It's a fucking cult.

And there's a shit ton of cults.

It's not just the Moonies.

It's not just, you know, whatever, fill in the blank.

It's all sorts of political ideologies.

It's MAGA.

It's the far left.

It's the people that are cheering for this guy in New York City that's a communist.

Oh, didn't he just promise a bunch of money for transition surgeries?

Yay!

Hooray!

Yeah, it's nuts.

Government-run grocery stores and all that stuff.

He didn't win yet.

He's just won the primary.

He's got to win.

He has 100% because the other guy is the fucking Guardian Angels guy.

The other guy is Curtis Sliba, the guy who wears the goofy beret.

Oh, really?

Yeah, that's the guy who won the Republican side.

Nobody wants to be a Republican mayor of New York City because they know they can't win.

So they're not like...

This guy's to the left of Bill de Blasio.

Oh, he's way to the left.

Yeah.

And he's young and he's energetic and he's saying all the right things for all these kids that are in the streets that are protesting, you know, that think they want to make the world a better place, which, hey, I would have been doing it with you if I was 20.

It's all the same thing, man.

It's all the same thing.

You can get indoctrinated into a particular way of thinking without being objective about what's actually going on.

You know, all these people that are like just running through the street now saying free Iran.

Like, yeah, free Iran from a dictatorship.

Absolutely.

But if you're saying, like, wear scarves over your head and being forced to do what the Iranian government wants you to do and live like they live over there, no, they don't live free.

Right.

Like, they assassinated the fucking Olympic gold medalist in Russia, in wrestling, rather,

in Iran, because he was protesting against the government.

Like, they'll take national heroes and kill them openly.

Like, it's not a good place to live.

Right.

You know, and I'm not saying we should bomb them, but like, being in support of Iran, the Iranian people, yeah, for sure.

But that government is nuts man

it's like you know

trans people for Hamas

like there's there's people that are just they're not seeing what you're talking they're not seeing the big picture yeah there's so many contradictions out there man it's really hard to follow it all just because it's a cult and they're and I think a huge amount of the Iranian population supports Israel too and it's like you would never fucking know that unless you like talk to them or listen to some of these interviews of these people a ton of Persian Jews that moved to Los Angeles You know, that was like at the fall, I guess it was in the 70s when...

So this is the story for people that don't know about Iran.

So there was a gentleman who was democratically elected.

I forget his name, Moga.

What is his name?

Moga Matu.

I'm going to fuck it up.

So he decided that he was going to nationalize oil in Iran, and they got him out like that.

They installed the Shah and turned it into an Islamic dictatorship, but they had access to the oil.

So the the CIA and the British government and everybody conspired to get rid of this democratically elected guy.

Because Iran at the time was like,

women were wearing shorts or skirts, rather, walking down the street.

It looked cool.

Here it is.

Mohammed Mossadegh.

Mossadegh.

Mossadegh.

Okay.

So let's zoom in on the story here.

It says,

Iranian prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh was removed from power in a coup organized and financed by British and U.S.

governments.

The Shah quickly returned to take power and signed off over 40% of Iran's oil fields to U.S.

companies.

It's crazy, man.

It's like it's so transparent.

They didn't even wait a couple of years.

They didn't even, well, the Shah's in power now.

We'll see how things go.

Right.

No, they immediately came in and signed everything off.

Yep.

1953, the CIA and British intelligence orchestrated a coup d'état that toppled the democratically elected government of Iran.

The government of Mohamed Mossadegh, the aftershocks of the coup, are still being felt.

51 Prime Minister Mossadegh roused Britain's ire when he nationalized the oil industry.

So the oil, they weren't making money off the oil.

They were making money, but not as much money as the British were.

Hmm.

It had been exclusively controlled by the Anglo-Iranian oil company.

The company later became known as the British Petroleum.

This time is different, though.

BP, which is the time.

They're the same people that dumped all the oil in the Gulf.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

That's BP.

After considering military action, action, Britain opted for a coup d'etat.

President Harry Truman rejected the idea, but when Dwight Eisenhower took over the White House, he ordered the CIA to embark on one of its first covert operations against a foreign government.

And Iran's been fucked ever since.

I mean, we've been doing stuff like that.

Not we, not you and I, not me and Danny Jones.

We're going to say.

But the United States government, especially the intelligence agencies in the days, you know, before they assassinated Kennedy, you know, they were doing all kinds of wild shit.

Oh, yeah.

We're done now.

We don't do that anymore.

They don't do that shit anymore.

They definitely don't.

No.

No, this is.

They don't give a shit about the oil over there.

No, this government's America first now.

We're legit.

America first.

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It's a crazy history.

And when you don't know the history, you're like, why are we mad at the Iranians?

Well, why are they mad at us?

Okay, like, what did we do to them?

Like,

how did these Islamic jihadists come to power?

Like, where did it all start?

Well, go back to the mujahideen.

We literally changed their definition of jihad.

Like, we wanted them to become suicide bombers.

We wanted them to do things and martyr themselves.

So it was the original definition of jihad, look this up, but I'm pretty sure it was a war against your own vices.

Really?

Yep.

Yeah.

The idea was you were trying to be a good Muslim, a pure Muslim.

You were trying to avoid impure thoughts, no alcohol, all these different things.

And they twisted that around with jihadists

through the CIA and Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen to fight off the Soviet Union when the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan.

Like, Osama bin Laden was our guy.

Right.

He was working for us.

Yeah.

And he's like, these fucking people suck.

Yeah, there was a story how his pain.

He was a struggle against the enemies of Islam, a spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Greatest jihad.

Yeah.

It sounds great.

Isn't that interesting?

A spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Yeah, I mean,

just reading it, it sounds like it's so it seems like it's more than one definition.

There's totally so many battles.

The other one is

declared a jihad against the infant.

Scroll back down again.

A struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam.

So it's two things.

But they made it, you know.

Yeah.

They did a lot of mind fucking to those people, and they put them on a war that they couldn't win again to try to do the same thing that they were doing with the rocket program with everything else.

They were trying to outspend the Soviets.

They were trying to bankrupt them.

Yeah.

That part of the world is just like...

How much of it has to do with the fact that we've been occupying that area, that part of the world for so long and like going out there, killing all the bad guys, and then the kids seeing their families being slaughtered and then like, okay, we're going to eliminate terrorism.

Let's take out these bad guys.

But then the kids grow up and you realize it's just the Hydra.

You cut the head off and three grow back.

Well, if you want to be even more cynical, we pay them and we arm them.

Yes.

And we left behind billions of dollars of shit in Afghanistan that they use for parades now.

They drive down the street with our own tanks.

They have our Blackhawks flying overhead.

That's all the shit we left.

Billions of dollars.

Like, you couldn't have got that out.

Well, do you think they leave it there so that these people are always formidable and they always leave open the door to go back in?

Yeah, I think so.

I think that's, I don't think that's the primary reason why they did it, but I've got to assume that that would be on the table if it's been on the table in the past.

Arming people in the past has always been a thing that we do.

I mean, it's a Bill Hicks joke about Iraq.

You know, it's like, they have the most deadly weapons.

How do you know?

Well, we looked at the receipts.

I butchered the joke, but yeah.

But, you know,

we've always been doing that.

Of course, we've done that forever.

Yeah, what's the Bill?

What's the my favorite Bill Hicks joke, at least that I don't, I'm not like a historian on Bill Hicks, but the one where he's talking about the sock puppets?

He's like, Yeah, I like this guy on the right, he seems like he fits my ideas.

He's like, I seem to fancy the guy on the left.

He's like, What the fuck?

The same guy's holding both the puppets.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I mean, that's perfect, perfectly illustrates the way it is.

Yeah, and again, this was before we really knew things.

This was Bill Hicks was saying this in the 1990s, where he just had books.

So, you know,

it was really hard to get these ideas across.

He would have been a great podcast guest.

Oh, hell yeah.

You know, because he was like saying these things when no one even knew what he was saying, you know, and he was putting it into comedy.

You know, like people then were not nearly as aware of the manipulation of money in power.

They really thought, a lot of people thought, that the will of the people, you know, the president, we've got to get a good president in there that's looking out for us.

And they didn't really understand that it's all being bought and paid by special interest groups, large corporations, huge donors, and that when the guy gets in there, he's just representing the same thing, no matter what.

Yeah.

The amount of reading and insight and learning that that guy was, a lot of those dudes were able to do back then pre-internet is astonishing.

And to be able to like internalize and process those ideas and

rework them with draft after draft and refine it into like the most perfect way to communicate it to people to where it lands.

You know, it's just, it's fucking crazy.

And in today's day and age, it's almost like you would think it would be easier with all of the access to information, but it seems like it might even be harder because there's just too much information.

Like last night listening to you talk was fucking incredible, dude.

Like listening to how you were at the end doing the QA with the crowd.

You're like, ah, I ran out of jokes.

Who wants to ask me questions?

And like you were just

on another gear, dude.

It's like you're so high octane and you're so like up to speed with everything that's happening around the world at all times it's it's mind-blowing to me how you're able to do this stuff how you're able to stay up do comedy late do podcasts every day and be like up to speed with all the news and like have like

thought out like thought through a lot of these things that just happened yesterday i'm just fascinated by that dude well that's all i do you know when you do when you only pay attention to fascinating things like things that are interesting to you and they're also interesting to the audience but i mean i don't have a regular job right so this is my job so it's my job to kind of pay attention to stuff Yeah.

You know, and have opinions on things.

And then the tricky thing is taking those opinions and trying to make them funny, you know, trying to put it in a way that's going to be hilarious on stage.

What do you think about

this Diddy thing that just happened this morning?

Kind of crazy.

I'll tell you what, Kurt Metzger called this from the beginning, and especially when he found out that Comey's daughter was going to be

the judge.

Did you know that?

No, I did not.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Wasn't she the same judge on the Ghalain Maxwell case?

I I think so.

Yeah.

Oh, yes.

I did hear that.

Yeah.

Bro, where's the videos?

They were telling us that videos are going to come out, incredibly high-profile people doing horrendous things, evil things.

People are going to go to jail.

People are going to be shocked.

Yeah.

Where?

Right.

Nothing.

Well, like, zero.

My thing about the Diddy thing is like.

I don't really give a fuck.

These people are all, they're of age.

They're over, they're like 18 years old.

And is it shitty what he's doing, trying to, like use people and leverage them and to do these weird sexual things and like sick shit?

Just the most sick shit you could possibly think of.

But like, the way I look at it is these people are

using this Diddy stuff.

It, all it does is like take away from the real child trafficking that's going on with like underage kids, right?

There's like what 300,000 something like missing kids like talking about Diddy and his oil parties with these 18 year olds.

Like, do I I think it's good?

No.

I want to beat up their dad, but other than that, I don't really give a fuck if there's like 18 to 19-year-olds that are doing this stuff as long as they're not being like actually like physically raped.

But I mean, it seems like what's going on is just like this weird cultish thing where they

slowly get you get creeped toward creep closer and closer and closer to this thing.

Like, oh, I'm here now.

All these famous people are here.

They're doing this.

Elaborate parties, lots of money, everything you want.

The golden carrot at the end of the stick.

So the thing is, he's not even being charged for any of the things you just brought up.

He's not being charged for blackmail, which is kind of crazy.

Because, like, what did they do?

Why did they tell us that there was all these videos of all these high-profile people and then silence?

And then it never comes up once during the trial.

There's none of that stuff in the trial.

In the trial, it was his ex-girlfriend, Cassie.

They were talking about...

So, like,

he's up for these two charges left, and it's like prostitution, something.

It's like nothing stuff.

It's like stuff that he's going to to go to jail for like five years, if at all, and probably won't.

And he's already been in jail for, so what is time served now?

It's over a year, right?

Yeah.

No, I think he's going to walk, dude.

I mean, I think he's going to walk.

And this is what Kurt Metzger called a long time ago.

As soon as he saw that it was Comey's daughter, he was like, oh, he's going to walk.

Trust me, he's going to walk.

There's a bunch of high-profile people that are connected to this.

They're covering it all up.

If he goes down, they go down.

So he's not going to go down.

So that's the thing.

Like,

if he really did have have really wealthy, high-profile people at his parties, which we know he did,

Diddy prosecutors abandoned multiple allegations against rapper days before trials end.

Hey,

he says, hey, remember I called it?

This is Kurt Metzger on Twitter.

Because James Comey's daughter is the prosecutor.

Remember how well she

swept up on the Gislane trail?

Yep.

Hey, who else called it?

Yep.

I can't be the only one.

Yeah, he called it.

He called it.

He called it in the fucking green room of the mothership

right when he found out.

He goes, he's going to walk.

I'm like, what are you talking about?

Have you heard these charges?

He's going to go to jail.

Nope, Metzka was right.

Yep.

And then we, I don't know what happened with the family.

And you don't think they could fake the moon landing?

Shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up.

They got videotape, and then all of a sudden they don't.

You know, you have the director of the FBI on this show saying there's no tape.

If there was,

nothing you're looking for is on those tapes.

Like, what?

Why did they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible shit?

Why did they say that?

Right.

Didn't Pam Bondi say that?

Are you talking about Epstein or did he?

Yeah, Epstein.

Yeah, she said it literally, I think, a week before you had the FBI director sitting here telling you there was nothing, right?

She said something about that there was like thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible crimes.

There is.

And didn't the FBI dude say that there was nothing?

Cash Patel said there's nothing you're looking for.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

I mean, what am I going to do?

I'm going to push back.

Obviously, he's saying what he has to say.

Right.

Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens of thousands of videos.

Tens of thousands.

Jesus Christ.

I'll tell you what.

Oh, my God.

Was reviewing tens of thousands of videos the wealthy financier with children or child porn.

The comment made to reporters of the White House days after a similar remark to a stranger with a hidden camera raised the stakes for President Donald Trump's administration to prove it has in its possession previously unseen compelling documents or

just Bomy Ran.

Everybody forget it just Bomy Ran.

Yeah.

Everybody forgets about it.

Yeah, it seems crazy that we're just like it like you would I would think just Trump's demeanor, his MO towards other countries, like if we're the ones funding them, giving them all this money and they're trying to fight a war, like typically he would be putting their boot, his boot on their neck, like, listen, you motherfucker, like he's talking shit, right?

like you have to do what I want you to do and it it just seems like

and now I think it just came out a couple days ago that

they're trying to prosecute Netanyahu right and then Trump's helping with it I think trying to help him Netanyahu in that in that whole rigmarole well they're trying to try him while he's yeah yeah while he's in office right and I think he's trying to delay it because he's like look we're at war right and they decide to go through with it yeah yeah yeah and I think something came out I think a couple days ago.

I could be wrong, but I was listening to

Dave Smith talk about how Trump was actually helping him through this.

I don't know.

I could be wrong.

Okay, here it says, During a Fox News channel interview in February, Bondi suggested an alleged Epstein client list was sitting on her desk.

Yeah.

Well, the list is one thing, right?

I mean, there's so many people on the list that are probably innocent, but I there.

They just went to the island for a party.

There's got to be a fucking hard drive.

It's got to be.

Sitting in Tel Aviv right now.

Yeah, that's the listen.

That's the other part of this too uh they asked

collained maxwell's lawyers what their shit where was it

he had like a hundred cameras in that pen in every single house

you know his house is for sale in new york that's amazing yeah and they've got a podcast studio no my wife found it on uh trulia or whatever it is yeah one of the maps and she's like look at this built because we were in a townhouse Yeah, like, it's not a townhouse.

It's a house.

It's like, it's a big-ass house.

It's like multiple stories.

The one right across the street from Central Park?

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That one.

It's for sale right now.

How much?

I think it was like 60 or 70 million, something like that, which is what it's worth.

But who wants to live in the Epstein house?

First of all, if I bought that house, I'd want the Clinton painting.

Can you get me that painting?

Yeah.

Clinton in the picture.

You gotta come with all that shit in it.

I want George Bush with the Jenga towers and the paper airplanes.

I want all of it.

And then the lady just died, too.

The lady got hit by by a car.

One of the witnesses.

Yeah.

One of the Jeffrey Epstein witnesses.

And apparently she had like a husband who was abusing her.

And,

you know, people like to, it's just like people like to use this stuff as like a political football to like argue

for whatever they believe in.

And also, when you get rich, powerful people.

So here's the thing that happens with rich, powerful people.

They can't go anywhere.

Right.

If you're like, say, a Jeff Bezos type or someone who's like an Elon Musk type, let's just, and I'm not accusing them of anything.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying at that caliber of celebrity and that caliber of prominence, you can't go anywhere.

If you're Bill Clinton back in the 80s or the 90s, whatever it was, you can't go party.

Everybody knows who you are.

You've got to be protected, right?

But you want these experiences.

And so you have these guys, like a Jeffrey Epstein type guy, who works with the elite of the elite clientele.

It's all movie stars, big-time politicians, world leaders, scientists, Nobel Prize winners, and they all meet together and have fascinating conversations and cocktails, and there's beautiful girls everywhere.

Of course.

What a great idea.

And if you're naive and you don't understand honeypots.

Here's the quote from Maria Farmer, who was one of the accusers from what was inside the house in New York.

Okay, she said,

there were monitors inside this cabinet.

I looked on the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet.

She said, visibly spooked.

Like, I'm never going to use the restroom here, and I'm never going to sleep here.

You know what I mean?

It was very obvious that they were like monitoring private moments.

Yeah, of course.

Maria Farmer was the one who worked at Epstein's office in New York, I think.

And this was the house, Jamie?

Yeah, I was looking up stuff on the house.

That was like what they did.

One of the house still has fucking cameras in it somewhere that they haven't found yet.

They definitely, oh, well, don't know.

Yeah, you'd have to scan the shit out of that house.

You'd have to take the walls apart.

There's probably listening devices inside the walls.

Like, who knows?

If this was really an intelligence operation.

Yeah, they probably had that house fully wired.

Maria Farmer, I I think she was the chick who was working the front desk at his office in Manhattan.

And this is like a funny example of what I like to do.

My mom is super left-wing.

She

has her degree in fine arts.

Oh, boy.

And she still is like an art professor.

And my dad is an ex-post office worker.

And he's only watches Fox.

So my dad only watches Fox.

They're divorced.

My mom only watches CNN.

Jesus, why didn't they stay together?

How weird.

Who knows?

And

I like to take things that are happening and then controversial things, like for Epstein, example.

And I like to just call my mom and argue with her.

Like

argue the right-wing side against my mom's point of view on Epstein.

And then I'll call my dad and I'll make the same argument toward the opposite argument towards him.

It's like a fucking thought experiment or like a critical thinking exercise.

He is your parents.

And my mom with my mom, you know, she'll be like, of course, like.

Trump, there's the more, there's more footage of Trump with Epstein than anybody.

Are you kidding me?

He's partying with him here.

Like, of course he's compromised.

And then my dad's like, it's fucking Clinton, bro.

It's like, it's only Bill Clinton.

Look, he's, he's the only one on the Epstein files.

Of course, we know he's a pervert, all this stuff.

But like, and then you have, so the funny thing is, both sides will use

their little batch of evidence to support their idea and ignore the opposite, right?

So, like, uh, the lady, the girl we were just talking about, uh, Virginia, she was

literally on video

saying that

all this shit shit about bill clinton on the jet going to the island hanging out with trump and all this stuff

and the right-wing people like like people i know my parents and like older folks i know in florida um will say you know she came out thank you for exposing bill clinton for being a pedo and doing all this stuff and uh

Virginia Gouffrey, after this happened, she's like, you guys didn't listen to the whole fucking tape.

She's like, I was telling you that Trump was at the penthouse three days a week and visiting him, but you guys don't want to hear that.

And it's like, you know, it's just this weird thing.

Like if you do the math, there's there's got to be, it's got to be so many high-level, powerful people that are somehow compromised.

And do I think, do I think like Clinton and these guys are pedoes?

No, I don't think that at all.

But if you were Jeffrey Epstein, you would, I think it's super plausible to assume that he would

try to trick them with like a girl who looks old, right?

Who is possibly like on the borderline of being 18.

And you say, oh, yeah, this girl, she's 18, 19, 20, whatever.

Meanwhile, she's like 17 and they had no idea and they have video footage.

And in like a court of law, if I'm the judge, I'm going to let them, like, of course, they fucking lied to him.

And this is not like some young girl, obviously, but they lied.

But like in like the court of public opinion, you're never going to win in that case, right?

Like if that comes out, you're fucked.

You're fucked.

I mean, you're fucked if you just go into the island to bang hookers.

Like, it's like they're of age.

It's still.

Like, whatever he was doing, you preyed on people's desire for experiences and vice.

Yes.

And all these powerful people who, again, they can't just go call a hooker.

And the hooker goes, oh my God, I just blew Bill Gates.

This is nuts.

You know what I mean?

Like, you can't trust them.

So you have to trust someone who really has a lockdown organization.

And they felt like he did.

And that's why they all hung out with him even after he got arrested.

This is what's crazy.

That is crazy.

A lot of Bill Gates meetings with him were after he was prosecuted, and he got this little slap on the wrist, and he got essentially home detainment.

And I think he had to do like weekends at the jail.

Like it was

for underage sex, for, you know,

what's supposed to be a felony.

The whole thing is crazy.

And then when there's one reporter that really chased it down, I forget her name, but she really, like, really looked into it, and that's when they opened up the second case, the second trial.

Vicki Warden.

Vicki Ward.

Was she from what paper?

Vanity Fair.

Vanity Fair.

So she was responsible for, like, because she was like, this is insane.

Like, what's going on here?

And then there was the sheriff that had arrested him, said that I was told he was intelligence.

And

I mean, you got to think, man, if a guy like that is running these kind of parties with all these rich and powerful people, how many different worldwide decisions can be manipulated because of these people and the compromises you have on them.

Right.

It's really a brilliant thing to do.

Yeah.

From an intelligence perspective.

Yeah.

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And, like, this,

the way that the world is shaping out now and this, like,

rise of Jew hate online is, and I think a lot of it's bots.

You know, I think, I think it's coming from every angle.

You know, I think it's probably a lot of, a lot of propaganda and bots coming from Iran,

coming from Israel, Saudi, who knows where it's all coming from.

It's just such a confusing crock of shit on the internet.

But, like,

you know,

on one hand,

they were able to pull off some incredible fucking operations

and you know on the other hand we get mad that now that it gets exposed we get get mad that they have their hooks in us and the people that are in power whatever the politicians are the puppets

just like bend the knee to whatever they're doing and it gets exposed when people like tucker did that interview with ted cruise

and

He had him on his heels the whole time.

That was incredible.

That was a fucking biblical fucking uh interview with ted cruise and that really like pulled the mask off because like if that guy's if that guy is explaining his his position on israel being in congress and that's his number one thing that made him want to be a congressman it's like what are all these other people doing then like if there's all these all this money and you can see the receipts how much money they're being given right by these lobbies but like how how mad can you get because they we let them do it they're legally allowed to do it yeah you could be mad, but you really should be mad at the politicians, yeah, the corrupt politicians, and how many of them there are.

And like, look, look at the mayoral race where they all were saying, My first trip, I'm gonna go to Israel.

Oh, yeah, except for the dude, except for uh, what's he won?

He said he's gonna stay in New York, the communist, yeah, he's like, I'm gonna take care of the Jews in New York, boom, checkmate.

That was it.

That literally won it for him because everybody else was like, What are you guys talking about?

Like, New York is fucked.

Take care of this goddamn city.

Why, what, what, what's this loyalty and allegiance to Israel from the New York City mayors?

The people that are candidates for mayor?

Like your number one concern is Israel?

That seems odd.

Unless you're getting a ton of money.

You know?

Unless they have some video footage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The more I think about, the more I think about politics and just look at the news cycle every day, I just feel like I get dumber.

It's a dumb business.

It's a dumb, dirty business.

It really is, dude.

She's like, sometimes I'm just like not motivated to read the daily news, you know?

Like, I was telling this to Gavin, too.

I was like, I was like, like, to focus on the culture wars 24-7, 365, and fucking talk about it all day is draining, dude.

Yeah, you can't.

It's bad.

It's bad for you.

Yeah.

That's why people that are on social media all day, they're poisoned.

There was some study recently.

I think it was Columbia.

I forget what university, but they paid people to stay off social media for a certain amount of time.

And they said that the results were superior to therapy.

See if you can find that.

So they

I think a large percentage of the mental illness that we have in this country is greatly accentuated by social media.

I think people that are on it all day, I think it's extremely addictive.

I think the conflict raises your

the whole anxiety that you have about conflict in society.

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That's not much.

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So that's not much.

That's 22% of the benefits.

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Yeah, women are getting fucked by that because they're constantly comparing themselves to girls that are digitally altered and using filters and fucks through your self-esteem.

And

I just think overall, it's not good for us.

And there's a large percentage of our society is addicted to it.

And it's new.

It hijacks your dopamine reward system.

They call them dopamine, like your phone and the iPad and all this stuff is like they're dopamine slot machines.

And like the, you know, the way they fuck up your circadian rhythm like when you're sleeping when you're laying in bed at night scrolling and how that blue light in the phone just like pumps your brain full of energy and you can't put it down you're just addicted like every scroll is like another hit of the crackpipe you know that baby hit too it's not even like oh feels so good right right it's like you gotta keep doing it most nothing hit ever it's like

just a little uh

what's that uh oh how weird yeah and it like turns off a part of your brain too like it turns off the thinking part

you know where like you just keep doing that thing and you're waiting for something good to hit, something more to like charge your and it never comes.

It never comes, right?

You keep looking until you fucking look at the clock and it's like 3 a.m.

You're like, what's the fucking thing?

You're a fucking gold miner in a barren creek.

Yeah.

You're just constantly gold mining.

One day, one day, gold.

One day I'm going to find gold.

I'm going to find enlightenment on my Instagram.

Nope.

You know, you're not.

You're going to fuck your head up.

Yeah.

No,

I think it's definitely atrophying the human brain.

100%.

And that's why I like these, like, these new tech technical computers and these different apps that are coming out that are like trying to be anti-technology.

They're like trying to make healthier computers and healthier phones that like

that simple phone.

Is that what it's called?

There's a simple phone.

There's like

the daylight computer thing, which is like an iPad with no blue light in it.

And it has only this, it's like kind of like a Kindle on steroids where there's no blue light.

Oh, so it looks like paper?

Yeah, it's like, this is one of them right here.

And it has like...

Oh, you have one?

Yeah, yeah.

I put, I like make my notes on it, and then you, it also has like the key.

Can you see it?

Yeah, yeah.

What is that called?

This is called the daylight computer.

Look at it.

So I put all my books on.

It looks like an old iPad.

Yeah, it looks like an old iPad.

This is like version one of what they're doing.

It's fucking sick, dude.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's like, it's, you know, I don't know if you ever used a Kindle, but like, they have like a note-taking thing, and it's super slow when you draw on it.

This thing is super fast.

You can zoom in and out of shit super fast, like PDFs.

And when I sit when I sit in bed at Reed, if I use like a...

This looks good.

Like when you're looking at it, it doesn't fuck with your eyes at all.

It looks like a piece of paper.

Yeah.

Wow.

And look, check this out.

If you do this.

When did you decide to do this?

To go switch over to this stuff?

This is like in the last year.

Oh, yeah?

So look at that.

So it's all amber light.

So if I lay in bed at night and I'm reading like a PDF or a Kindle or something like this, I'm asleep in like 45 minutes.

What's going on with his microphone?

Oh, shit.

Did you

disconnect it?

Sure did.

Yeah.

Wow.

Wow.

Weird.

Check, check, check.

Here we go.

We're back.

So Amber Light.

Yeah, yeah, Amber Light.

And then like, so if I sit on my phone and read something, I can stay up all night.

Or if I sit on my computer and read something, I stay up forever.

This thing, I fall asleep.

I literally, it doesn't keep me up.

I think because it doesn't have that blue light that's baked into it.

So you use that as your primary computer?

No, no, no.

I just use this for reading and like note-taking and shit.

On every podcast I do, I'm just like taking notes on it because it stores on my notes, and then I just read Kindles on it and PDFs and stuff.

And you write the notes by hand?

Yep.

Okay, so it has like...

Yeah, it's like a little sketchy thing, and it's like super quick.

Oh,

it's like, it's fucking amazing.

You don't type your notes?

Does it have a keyboard?

Can you type on it?

Yep, it does.

It's like basically an iPad.

It's like a animal.

So you can attach a Bluetooth keyboard to it.

It's a keyboard, and you can type on it and shit.

It's super quick, super responsive.

And so, what was the thought process about switching to something like this?

Because

like, so I got introduced to those guys when I started learning about like all this circadian rhythm stuff and how like all these devices hijack your dopamine system and all this stuff.

And there's like, hey, there's these guys that they're working on this new technology that's like anti big tech mind control, all the apps and everything like that with all the colors and all the, you know, everything that just like fucks with your brain and your eyes.

And I was like, that's interesting.

They're going in the opposite direction of normal tech and like Apple and all these things.

So

I hit them up and they sent me one and I was just like fucking blown away.

I thought it was super cool.

I could sit outside because I like to

I like to go outside like first thing in the morning when the sun's rising and spend at least like two or three hours like during the beginning of the day because I feel it just like charges me up for the day.

I feel better when I'm outside, especially in Florida.

The sun's really good.

And so I'll go out there and I'll read on this thing.

I can't read on anything else.

My phone or like a computer screen, there's so much glare.

This thing thrives in the outdoor sunlight.

So it's like perfect.

It's like reading like a piece of paper.

Wouldn't you think like it would be best if phones were like that?

So you could read text messages?

It would definitely be healthier.

It would definitely be healthier for us, but it wouldn't.

You wouldn't be able to look at pictures and videos the same way, though.

Right.

It doesn't have color, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, this thing's all black and white with that amber backlight that you can throw on at night if you're like inside or something like that.

And so how much of a change has it had in like your routine because of this thing?

It's great because if I'm reading shit, which I typically do in the morning and at night, I don't stay up all night.

It encourages me to go outside more because like...

Typically when I'm trying to like absorb stuff or like listen to podcasts or like make notes or read books, I can do it on that.

And it works better outside.

So it just makes me want to go outside more, which I feel better when I'm outside more.

Wow.

That's interesting, man.

Yeah.

What's it called again?

Daylight computer.

Daylight computer.

Yeah.

It's beautiful, man.

I might check that out.

Yeah, it's cool.

I don't want to carry around another fucking thing, though.

Yeah, you got to be able to do it.

You got all your phones and yeah, all the bullshit I have to carry around.

That's big.

Yeah.

That's an option.

It is big.

It fits in that little Patagonia bag.

I just like carry it.

I carry it

to home and to the studio.

How come it has those big, stupid bezels?

I don't know.

It's version one.

Because it looks like they got some leftover iPad technology or Kindle technology.

Very interesting.

No, it definitely,

you know, I think they're going to eventually try to improve that.

Like I said, that's like the version one.

That's like iPhone 1 for their thing.

And they're trying to like.

So this is new.

Very new, yeah.

They're trying to come up with like phones eventually.

But apparently it's a lot of work to have a computer company.

James McCann, one of the comics from last night, he had a new phone.

I was like, what is this?

He's like,

it keeps you from being distracted.

It only has like Spotify, a few other things on it, one shitty little camera and a black and white screen.

I'm like, really?

It's like he's just trying to get off of his phone addiction.

So he has a much more limited phone.

It runs on Android.

There's a lot of people that are kind of leaning in that sort of direction.

Yeah, like the anti-tech direction.

Well, just realizing, like, something's going on.

Like, I'm not happier.

I'm less happy.

I'm kind of tweaking, thinking about, where's my phone?

Where's my phone?

Yeah.

I don't think the technology.

I don't think the innovation of

all this new technology now that it's like exponentially taking off with AI is gonna lead us to a good place, man.

I think that uh

you know, I've had philosophers and people explain to me how like

the advancement of like the technological human mind and the analytical mind has equally equated with the atrophy of like the psychic mind.

And like when you listen to people like Paul Rosalie talking about spending a lot of time in the Amazon and like going through the jungle, how it like awakens these deeper senses that you have in inside of us.

And like, it makes me wonder, like

5,000 years ago, before we had the ability to

offload our memories onto phones and computers, and before we even had the fucking written word, we were able to make notes and stuff, we probably had like way better memory.

possibly likely had like

a telepathic way of communicating back then, like way, way long ago, before we had, like, before we started letting technology take over for what we do, like, even for our mundane tasks now, which has reached the pinnacle of LLMs, like telling us, telling us, like, how to fucking write an email.

Right, well, we for sure don't remember phone numbers anymore.

And when I was a kid, I kept like 15 phone numbers in my head.

Now I have zero.

I have like maybe one or two phone numbers I can remember.

Everybody just relies on their phone.

There's so many people that can't even make their way around town without their navigation system.

Completely forgot how the streets connect.

You know, there's a lot of digital atrophy or human atrophy that's being caused by the interface with the digital world.

And it's only going to get worse.

I mean,

there was a study recently on ChatGPT users and how

less there how

see if you can find it.

It was a study on young people and ubiquitous use of chat GPT, like how many of them are using it and how much effect it has on their ability to form their own thoughts and see through things.

They're just relying on this thing to answer the questions for them without pondering the question themselves and actually learning things.

They're just getting data.

Yes.

And a lot of that data doesn't even get absorbed.

Yeah, my wife and all of her friends are using ChatGPT.

Here it is.

ChatGPT may be eroding critical thinking skills, according to a new MIT study.

That's odd.

Totally makes sense.

Study divided 54 subjects, 18 to 39-year-olds from the Boston area, into three groups and asked them to write several SAT essays using OpenAI's ChatGPT,

Google search engine, and nothing at all, respectively.

Researchers used an EEG to record the writers' brain activity across 32 regions and found that of the three groups, ChatGPT users had the lowest brain engagement and consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.

Over the course of several months, ChatGPT users got lazier with each subsequent essay,

often resorting to copy and paste by the end of the study.

Wow.

Yeah, we're going to just end up being a residue of a species overwritten by our own creation.

Very bizarre.

Fucking scary, dude.

Very bizarre.

Very bizarre.

Because we're just all running towards the cliff.

And we're all like, yeah, well, we got to do it because if we don't do it, China's going to do it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, man.

I think we're going to integrate.

That's what I think.

We're going to realize that the only way for us to survive is to integrate with artificial intelligence.

I think people are going to choose, they're going to find God either in artificial intelligence or in nature.

People that run the other way are going to realize like there's definitely going to be people that worship artificial intelligence as a new God.

That's already been speculated.

That's for sure going to be a thing.

And it might actually be that.

It might be that's what God is.

Like that's how we make him.

We make God forms himself through us.

Like the way God creates us, he instills us with this insatiable need for technological innovation until ultimately, if they don't blow themselves up, they achieve artificial intelligence, which then becomes sentient, which then makes better and better versions of itself.

And as you scale out, what's the ultimate version of that?

The ultimate version of that is God.

Yeah, and then what are we?

We're the chicken and the egg.

Chicken and the egg.

Well, there's some new thing, man.

Have you seen this thing about the James Webb telescope change?

Yes, dude.

I was talking to Jesse Michaels about this yesterday.

Yeah, me and Jesse were talking about it yesterday, too.

So Jesse's, his phone was getting lit up.

I'm going to send you this, Jamie.

yeah so I guess really interesting the story is like this background microwave radiation is not what we think it was there's these mature universes that are out there that we just discovered with the GH12 this is uh here I'll send you the um uh the Twitter thing Jamie did you find it already

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Okay, here's

Web Telescope uncovers secrets of dark matter.

Yeah, that's one of them, but I'll show you what this is.

Because what this is, is essentially that just the galaxies that they've shown,

it makes up for the background micro or whatever the microwave radiation is that they associated with the Big Bang.

So now, so according to.

So the Big Bang is fake.

Yeah.

That makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, I saw the Twitter post, and there's people, you know, going after each other, like rabid cats and dogs, about it, whether it was real or whether it was fake.

Yeah, well, of course, people are going back and forth about it, but essentially what they're saying is

this kind of

it cancels out the idea of the Big Bang.

And Penrose believed that it was a consistent cycle.

Penrose believes it goes,

you know, Big Bang to expansion of the universe to compression to Big Bang, like this constant cycle, never-ending.

It's not that the universe was formed at one period of time it's like this constant state of of happening

which

is that any more crazy than the universe happening at one time out of nothing no i mean it's kind of

it's all crazy just the idea that it's 13 billion light years old or 13.7 yeah or 22 is 22 even more crazier yeah

okay this is nuts dude a new paper shows that the cosmic microwave background radiation can be explained entirely by the energy of recently discovered early mature galaxies.

Massive galaxies, the James Webb Space Telescope discovered while crushing, or excuse me, discovered which crushed the existing models of galaxy formation because they formed much earlier than astrophysicists thought possible.

But now these EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy density of the cosmic microwave background radiation, which was believed to be a snapshot of the first light emitted after the Big Bang, when the universe was 379,000 years old.

The variations in the CMB were believed to be relics of quantum fluctuations in the dense plasma of the Big Bang.

If these new findings are accepted and there's no reason not to accept them, then all the following flagship findings of cosmology are thrown into question.

Big Bang theory, foundational cosmological model undermined, cosmic inflation,

losses, observation, loses rather, observational justification,

ACDM model, I don't know what that is, key parameters become unreliable.

So all this stuff, dark energy inferred from the CMB may be mischaracterized, dark matter density,

current estimates may be invalid.

Age of the universe

must be recalculated.

Wild.

Yes, it's insane.

Wild shit.

And I'm sure the people that have been preaching or that have been rather

talking and teaching people about the Big Bang and writing books, they're going to fight back tooth and nail.

Yeah, of course.

They don't want to be wrong.

But this James Webb telescope, at the very least, has shown us mature galaxies that shouldn't have been able to be formed.

The fact-checkers got it.

Reader context.

This post claims CMB can be explained entirely by EMGs,

implying ability, not probability, the EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy of the CMB radiation.

But the paper says EMGs may account for anywhere between 1.4% and 100%.

So they might account for 100%,

but they do account for...

That seems like you're nitpicking.

Yes.

It might account for 100%.

Okay.

Right.

Either way, they're learning things, and they still have a very limited ability to observe, right?

So the James Webb telescope is so much better than the Hubble, so much better than anything else they've launched before.

So they're finding new things out, but it's still limited in its capacity to see the universe.

It can't see everything yet.

So they'll probably have an even better one that they'll launch and that will show us even more that we didn't know.

And we're operating on a limited amount of data and we're operating with this conviction that they're 100% correct about these timelines.

Yes.

And just these mature galaxies that existed where they shouldn't exist.

is enough to know that we don't know everything.

And then this whole dark matter, dark energy thing is like, what is it?

You don't even know what it is.

Well, we figured out that

dark matter actually is mass, right?

And has gravitational effects.

Like they were, I forget who it was, but they were observing galaxies and they were looking at the spin rate of the galaxies and they found out that the center of the galaxy,

it should be spinning faster than the outer rim of it, right?

But they found out that the spin rate is identical, which means that what they theorized is that dark matter, the mass of the dark matter around the galaxy, has lots of mass and it's flattening the spin rate of the galaxies.

Which is interesting because like there's this, have you ever heard of this dude named Rolf Landauer?

No.

he has this theory

that if you weighed a hard drive after you put data on it, it would weigh more than when it was empty.

Right.

So and his theory was that like every single hard drive server farm around the world right now and if you if you weighed it if we had measuring equipment that was sensitive enough and you could find the difference.

He thinks that all the data stored would be like a kilogram or less right now.

But the rate of data increase that we accumulate each year right now is like 25%, not equating for exponential growth, the technological singularity and how that's going to ramp up.

So somebody did the math there and said,

it was, no, it's Jason Giorgiani who did the math on this.

And he said, if you just keep the rate flat at 25% per year of data increase

across the globe,

in 340 years, we are going to have the mass of the moon on the surface of the earth in data stored on hard drives.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So like,

and the way he, the way he like lays this all out, I'll try to do my best, is that the, if you look at the laws of thermodynamics, like the two laws, one that energy can never be created or destroyed, and the other one, like

entropy always increases over time.

Entropy, meaning disorder.

It never goes down over time, like hence the heat death of the universe will eventually happen.

And so E equals M C squared, energy and mass are interconvertible.

And then there was this other dude, Claude Shannon, who came up with the theory that data transmission with binary bits, ones and zeros.

So if computers are bound by, tell me if I'm losing.

No, no.

If computers are bound by the laws of entropy

and hard drives are bound by the laws of entropy, that means when a computer is blank, it's very low entropy because it's all ones or it's all zeros.

When you add data, when you add a podcast to it, it goes 10, 10, 10.

It's chaotic.

Just from a pure physical perspective, it's high entropy.

So

what happens when you erase that hard drive?

You have to, the energy has to go, has to leave.

If it's mass on the hard drive, theoretically, if this guy's right, Lyft Rolf Landauer is right that data.

on the hard drive is mass.

When you erase that, it has to go to energy outside of the hard drive, right?

So he says,

but if you crack open a hard drive, you can't see that mass, right?

It's invisible.

It's electromagnetically indetectable.

So he says, what other kind of mass do we know of that's electromagnetically indetectable?

He said, it's dark matter.

So if

mass is the same thing as information stored on a hard drive,

that would mean not only is mass and energy interchangeable, but mass, energy, and information are interchangeable, right?

So if dark matter is mass, you could then say

that dark matter is a computational cloud of ones and zeros.

And

our consciousness is an interface to that that gives it meaning.

The same way a computer screen gives meaning to all the ones and zeros on the hard drive.

Like you watch the video, it has meaning.

So this is the concept that consciousness engages with matter, and that is how matter exists.

That it exists because you're observing it.

Yeah, the only reason

consciousness is fundamental to an information processing system.

So instead of building up to, like, but what physicists, what people try to do, is build up to consciousness from dead atoms, protons and neutrons, right?

How do you get to consciousness from that?

But if you think of this as like a computational cloud of ones and zeros and mass does equal information, well, that just means that

our consciousness is a way to interface and give this simulation meaning.

And funny enough,

that theory

really reconciles well with shit like parapsychology and like Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance, like when you solve one problem in one part of the world and then like somebody breaks a world record.

in this country and then five years, you know, a year later, five other people hit that same world record.

It's like conserving energy, the processing system conserving energy.

There's a guy, there's a scientist that he found computational code.

What did he, you know, you remember this guy, Jamie?

That he

believes that he found computational code that proves that the universe is a simulation.

But this guy, I tried to get him to come on the podcast, but he said I was anti-science because of the COVID vaccine stuff.

This is a

few years back, though.

Maybe he's kind of woken up and changed his tune.

I doubt it, though.

A lot of people got indoctrinated.

That's anti-science.

Like, actual data is anti-science.

What is whose data?

Whose data are you going by?

We could have a conversation about that if you like.

I'll show you some things.

You can have a great conversation.

I think you've said everything.

Have a seat.

Have a seat.

Let's go over some studies.

Is this the dude?

Yeah, that's the guy.

So what was his, so this guy won't come on my show because he says I'm anti-science.

Symmetry, supergravity.

Yes.

But what is this discovery that he found?

Oh, he's from Tampa.

Oh, born in Tampa.

He found

What was the

supposed discovery about the computational code?

What did it say?

Are we living in a computer simulation?

Yeah, this is a James Gates.

Theoretical physicist, University of Maryland, auto-correcting codes.

Click on that, Jamie?

Scientific American article.

Oh, I can just read it right from there, I guess.

Explored mathematical structure of string theory specifically in the context of supersymmetry and has found what he describes as error correcting codes embedded within the equations.

These codes are mathematical objects similar to those used in computer science for error detection and correction, such as in data transmission.

While these findings are intriguing, it's important to note that they are not literal computer code, but rather mathematical structures that share similarities with coding theory.

Hmm.

Yeah, it's important to learn that, but that's fucking crazy.

Yeah, it is fucking crazy.

All of it is crazy.

But James Gates, as of, I think, two years years ago, wasn't willing to come on the podcast and talk about it.

Yeah, if I had a dollar for every person who said they wouldn't come on my podcast because it's too pseudo-scientific, I would have like $5.

Why not?

Why not come on and illuminate people?

Yeah, I had this,

I don't want to say who she is, but like this lady who had this amazing book on like

the

Greek weapons.

and poisons that they used to use for war.

Like they used to like drop scorpions over.

Amazing book.

Like they used to light pigs on fire and like send them towards elephants to try to get the elephants to run away and like throw bags of scorpions on people.

And I'm like, this fucking book is amazing.

I need to get this lady.

She's

not too, we're not academic enough, I guess.

But I'm trying to get there.

Yeah, but what does that mean?

What does it mean?

We're just human beings having a conversation.

You're the academic.

Come in and tell me what you know.

What's the big deal?

Yeah.

But you do a great job of like having both sides in, which I think is really cool.

Like you have the crazy fringe people who are like educated, self-educated, but are very smart in a certain way.

And then other people who like have the academic credentials to sort of like be a sounding board for that and to see like who's really full of shit.

Yeah, you have to have all because there are some people that are

self-taught.

They've essentially just read shit tons of books and they're brilliant people.

And just because they're not classically educated, it doesn't mean they're incorrect.

And there's only one way to find that out.

Guys like Randall Carlson, he's a builder, okay?

But the knowledge that he has about the impact theory, the Younger Dryas impact theory, and what probably ended the ice age and and shaped a a great part of North America and how you could see it from space.

And you can see when they look at the satellite imagery, you c it literally looks like things have been washed away.

It looks like massive water erosion.

Like you can see the ripples on the ground that are akin to what it looks like when the tide pulls back on the sand on a beach.

Yeah.

It's it all makes sense.

And he knows so much about the actual science behind it.

And he was talking about this a long time ago.

I met him in Georgia, in Atlanta.

That's where he's from.

I met him in like 2003 or something like that, 2002, 2000.

He was telling me about it back then.

But back then, they didn't have the core samples that showed that there was significant impact evidence.

That was around,

I think it was 11,800 years ago, and then again, somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago.

So I think we've been hit multiple times.

And I think he's 100% right about that.

And I think Graham Hancock is 100% onto something with

all this ancient apocalypse stuff.

And the pushback against him is insane.

They throw every terrible phrase at him they possibly can, every pejorative, racist, white supremacist, all these crazy things.

Yeah, I had Flynn Dibla on my podcast.

We talked about it.

Fascinating.

Yeah, he's great.

I actually liked him.

He's a nice guy.

He was.

When he's not calling you a racist.

When he's not in front of a keyboard.

Yeah.

Well,

he's an anxiety-filled academic

who is you know, fighting very hard to push his very specific view of things.

And he tries to silence other people that have opposing views.

And the way he did it with Graham was really not cool.

It was

shitty.

It was very shitty.

Yeah.

No, I think he was, I think he had a lot of interesting, legitimate things to say about ancient Greeks and stuff like that.

But when we got to this stuff,

it was just like, where did that fucking dude I was talking to 30 minutes ago go?

He was just like, he was looking at this and then all reason just flew out the window.

He was like, he was like, what do you mean they couldn't do this?

They stick a stone in there, they spin it around like this, and then you can get this.

It's really easily.

How dare you say that the dynastic Egyptians weren't able to create these vases?

I'm like, and I, you know, I was like proposing other theories that like, you know, Chris Dunn's, Jeffrey Drums theories, and wanted absolutely nothing to do with it.

And like,

we don't know.

This is the thing.

That's the thing, exactly.

If if

Christopher Dunn had been teaching this in the 1800s and people had followed those theories and built upon them, and this was academic, like in universities, this was accepted, and this was what they were teaching, and they were studying this, then he would be saying that.

They would all be saying that.

There's ample evidence that he's got a good point.

That Christopher Dunn, the model that he uses when he's describing how he thinks that the Great Pyramid of Giza was a power plant is fascinating.

When he's talking about the ratios that you would need for the width of the the walls, the surfaces, the way the things are made, that would all work.

He's an engineer.

He's not a moron.

He knows what he's talking about.

If this guy was teaching this stuff a long time ago and it was accepted by universities, that would be what we were talking about today.

We'd be speculating how they did it and what they were doing and what they were doing it for.

And if we had known in the 1800s that we regularly travel into a comet storm and that it happens, I think it's every June and November.

We pass through the, you know, and we see it in the sky.

We see meteor showers.

You know, you see, oh, look at the sky.

Look at all the shooting stars.

We're in a fucking shooting gallery.

And occasionally one of those slams into the earth.

Yeah.

And when that stuff happens, we're fucked.

And it's super likely that that happened multiple times during human history.

And it's super likely that that's why there's all these structures that nobody can explain that are somehow or another predate modern civilization.

Like Gobekli Tepe.

That fucked them all up.

Because before Gobekli Tepe, they had this 6,000-year model.

Mesopotamia, Sumer, that's where it all started.

Now they're like, well, maybe it's Turkey.

Maybe Turkey was the birthplace.

I mean, Jimmy Corsetti's been talking about this a lot.

And I understand where they're coming from.

I can see their point of view from the academics.

Not that I would act like them or condone the way they act, but when you spend your life, Flint, for example, I think his parents were archaeologists.

They named him Flint because of archaeology.

And you spent your whole life mucking through these different places, excavating shit, digging up rocks or whatever he was doing, never, and no one ever paid attention to you.

And then you have Graham Hancock come in, who is like personally fascinated by these things and dedicating his life to writing and researching on his own, but not accredited academically.

You can see like how those guys would, how those academic guys would be like super salty of somebody like, I understand that.

Oh, I get it.

It's not an excuse for what he did, which I think was shitty, right?

Yeah, it's not an excuse.

I understand their perspective, but it's ego-driven.

If we really were interested, you would take these heterodox scientists and you'd bring them in.

And you would say, like, what do you do?

They're studying data.

Guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson,

they're studying these things.

Graham was just in Iraq.

He just was going over there to look at ancient Sumerian stuff.

You know, he sent me some photos of his trip.

He said it was fascinating.

Wow.

Yeah, these structures are incredible.

And they don't really understand them.

We really don't.

We don't even know who really built the Aztec temples.

I was reading about Tino Chitlan.

They found it.

The Aztecs found that there.

And they don't even know who built it.

There's a bunch of those things.

A previous civilization existed in the same place, fascinating discoveries, figured out how to do agriculture, figured out how to make grids and cities and make these incredible stone structures that are cosmologically connected somehow.

And then they went away.

All over the world.

All over the world there's like people reinvent civilization the places where these ancient structures exist and even build upon them they build over them yeah i think there's probably so much shit that that people were able to do in antiquity and way before that that would seem like magic to us today like kind of like getting back to what we were talking about with our senses that we don't really have today that probably have atrophied over millennia like your fart theory which is amazing remember you remember your fart theory oh how's it going

imagine if somebody farted and you didn't have a nose and you had to develop this nose that enables you to survive and smell predators.

Right, you'd have no idea.

Smell fire.

You would have no idea you're sitting there bathing in somebody's fart.

Right.

So, like, and so, like, dogs, dogs and cats, when they go into weird houses and they notice like some sort of weird energy, you know, people describe energy in a house.

Like, this feels off.

Like, what is that?

Like, is there something that really is there that we just don't have the organs anymore to detect?

Or something in our brain that has atrophied over thousands of years that have stopped us being able to detect this stuff.

Well, think about how birds they can figure out a way to travel like super accurately through the sky, but drawn by the magnetic force of the Earth.

Yeah, yeah.

They have somehow or another, they can figure out a way to navigate with the Earth's magnetic field.

We don't even understand it.

But they do it.

They migrate successfully every year.

We know they do it.

That's a sense that they have that we don't have.

Like it's probably a fucking shit ton of.

There's probably a bunch of things going on in the world that we're not interacting with because we don't have the senses for.

Right.

Yeah.

And,

you know, one of the things that I've been like really interested in lately is

this,

I mean, people talk about this.

ability to like download information like in the UFO world, you know, like people talk about, oh, I got this from a download or something like that.

I talk about like, I have an antenna, I can connect to something.

But like,

for me, like that connected, when I first heard about people talking about that, I always thought that that was like the muse, you know, like you have this sort of antenna in your head that connects you to creativity and gives you the ability to just create shit out of thin air, you know?

And I feel like

with people I've observed over my lifetime, I feel like that peaks at an early age, right?

Before you get older and before you start the burden of the responsibilities of life and all these mundane things in your life start to compile on and you trade your dreams for securities,

that spark starts to go away, you know?

And like that could easily be described as something magical if it was way more powerful thousands of years ago.

I really noticed this the other day.

So I was the other day I was hanging out with

Kirk, the league guitarist for Metallica.

And he was, for some reason, I don't know why, but he likes my show.

And we were just like, You got a great show.

We were talking.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

It's weird.

I feel like an imposter.

That's good.

That's why you're good at it.

But he loves this stuff.

The dude's like, you know, he's in his 60s, like early 60s, and he's fucking obsessed with all of these topics that

you cover, I cover, a lot of people cover.

And he's like,

at the same time,

he's the dude has like got this crazy spark where he's so inspired to do shit and like still creating new music and like coming up with new riffs and

wanting to do more things.

We're like, I've never met a dude like that who's had so much success, toured everywhere for the last 40 years, being the number one metal band in the world, basically, and...

still like wanting to learn stuff.

The dude is trying to translate ancient Greek music for his guitar and trying to figure out how to play this stuff.

He can't figure it out.

And he was telling me, he's like, dude, I think this wasn't recreational.

He's like, I think this music was magical.

He's like, I think they were performing magic.

He thinks it was like religious, medical

rites they were performing with music.

It wasn't supposed to be entertainment back in the day.

Well, there is this weird connection with music and psychedelics where music can sort of

changes the trip.

Like if you listen to, do you know what Icaros are?

No.

Icaros are these, hook it up, Jamie.

Icaros are these South American songs that they play while you're doing ayahuasca.

And

if you do DMT and listen to these things, they take over the trip.

And the song...

The trip moves with the song in harmony.

Like, exactly.

It's not like the trip is chaotic, and you hear the songs, and these songs are like a technology to move the trip.

It's really fascinating.

Because you listen to the songs, and you're like, What are these things?

Like, what are they trying to do with these things?

They sound kind of weird, but when you listen to these songs while you're tripping, it makes the trip dance, it makes the geometric pattern.

So you are lying on the floor, it's Costa Rica.

In the jungle.

You're lying on a yoga mat

in the jungle with a bunch of 40-year-old ladies with boob jobs trying to get their life together.

Tech entrepreneurs.

Tech entrepreneurs, Navy SEALs.

Yeah.

And you just threw up.

You have horrible diarrhea.

And this trip just starts coming on.

I think I just found Jesus.

Give me a little more, something with a little more beat to it.

I got some on my phone.

I heard the one that you know, you had Luke on recently, Luke Cavern.

He's great.

He had a great, a great little clip that he played.

Here we go.

This is my favorite one.

And they dance.

They dance to this song while you're tripping.

You know, the psychedelic experience dances to this song.

Oh.

When you're lying there with your eyes closed,

that's wild.

And the whole time it's doing it, it's like synchronized together.

And the whole time it's doing it, it's like a method for showing you more things.

And as you go through it with the music, there's something comforting in the pattern of the music and the way it dances to the music that allows you to relax and unveils more and more of itself.

It's very trippy.

And the fact that these guys figure this out.

How did you figure this out?

Yeah, man.

Your friend is probably right.

The Metallica guy's probably right.

Yeah.

It's probably they were probably that music probably synchronized with the trips when they were doing the Illusion Mysteries.

That's what they, yeah.

When I went to their concert in Tampa the other day and I was walking and I made me regret not going to more concerts when I was younger, but like being in that stadium, the Buck stadium, where there was 90,000 people, every seat in that arena was full.

And you hear

that, you know, well it goes black.

There it is.

Lightning strike happens here.

here.

Dude, look at this.

Insane.

Look at this.

Lightning strike.

It caused an earthquake.

They're actually, I mean, super dangerous, but that was fast.

That is fucking insane.

Ride the lightning, bitch.

That's so dangerous.

Dude, being there with 90,000 people, the light, the thundering electric guitars, and the the the the fire, the pyrotechnics, and all those people like focusing like all 90,000 people every atom in their body is vibrating at the same frequency yeah and it just like that is it's like magic that penetrates every fiber of your being and if I was a dude from 2,000 years ago and took a time machine to that Metallica concert those dudes are gods right they're fucking gods I think that's what the Hallucinian mysteries probably was well they probably had music that

that enhanced the trip.

It probably guided the trip and they probably learned how to to do it while they were tripping.

Mm-hmm.

Like, they figured out so much.

They figured out democracy.

They started so much of what we think of as

Western government.

Yeah.

And the

scientific method, democracy, all this stuff.

Tripping balls.

And then the Romans came along and said,

stop.

We're here to make slaves out of you fucking people.

We don't want you tripping.

Right.

Yeah, that was, yeah, they killed Eleusis in like, what, 400 AD, I think.

Well, they did exactly the same things the Nixon administration did to psychedelics in this country.

They're like, oh, this is a problem.

When they were turning everything Schedule I to try to stop the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement, that's the exact same thing.

Governments, when they get to a certain position of power, they're not representing the people anymore.

Now they're the fucking jack-booted thugs that tell you what you can and can't do based on how inconvenient it is for you to be doing that for them running things.

Right.

Yeah.

It's just, it's terrible.

It's the opposite of what it should be.

It's the opposite of what got us.

It's the opposite of what got us here I think bro.

Yes, I had we're too big now.

There's too many of us.

That's part of the problem.

It's like you want to govern 330 million people plus Mexicans.

Good luck.

I had this dude on my show speaking of the academic the strife between the academics and the self-taught online people influencers, whatever you want to call them.

This dude was

he was kicked out of his university for he first of all he wrote a dissertation on ancient pharmacy the Roman Roman pharmacy and Greek pharmacy.

And it was a dissertation based on this guy named Galen, who was like the surgeon general of ancient Rome.

And he had a chapter in his dissertation, his PhD dissertation, about recreational drugs in Rome.

And the head of the department reviewed his dissertation and said, everything looks great.

Delete the section on recreational drugs in ancient Rome.

So he's like, okay, why?

They're like, because the Romans wouldn't do such a thing.

So he's like, okay, he deleted it and then submitted it, got his PhD,

and then wrote a book based on that part of the dissertation that he left out, which the book was called The Chemical Muse.

And I learned about this from Hamilton Morris.

He did a podcast with the dude first.

And I read that book.

And, you know, he was basically making the case that drugs were ubiquitous in antiquity during the Roman times.

Like they were being used for everything because people were not dying from old age.

They were dying from war,

hand-to-hand combat, famine, plague, infection.

All these things.

Infection.

So like like

people were constantly using drugs.

And there was a law in ancient Rome that he said there was only one law when it came to using drugs.

And

that was that you were not allowed to kill people with drugs.

You were not allowed to murder people, which is why Marcus Aurelius was using this drug compound called a

theriac.

And the theriac was a concoction of like,

11 different North African vipers, their flesh and their venom,

combined with opium and all kinds of like body, bodily fluids.

And he was using this as like a performance-enhancing drug.

Whoa.

Because people were trying to assassinate him with poisons.

That's how they assassinated people.

They were using scorpions, poisons, arrows,

all different kinds of weird things to sneak in and kill him.

So he was drinking this theriac to build up his immune system against the vitamin, against the

venoms.

And

dude,

this dude Galen, who wrote about this shit, he was talking about giving, he was Marcus Aurelius' physician.

And he was like, Marcus Aurelius, he's like, it's getting ridiculous.

It's getting annoying.

I keep having to up his opium dose.

He keeps using more and more fucking opium.

I can't get him off of it.

Oh, my God.

And so Galen, the physician, the

surgeon general of the Roman Empire under Marcus Aurelius and Nero, I think,

basically

equates to 10%

of all the Greek literature from antiquity.

10% of it is medical.

And this dude that wrote this dissertation, based it all off Galen,

is talking about all these drug compounds that are used and all the literature.

So, what he does is he looks at all the ancient literature from Homer to, you know, like

800, to like the time that Beowulf was written, basically,

AD.

And he's like

finding all of this evidence of crazy drug use.

And he has this crazy theory also that I don't know if it's crazy.

I don't know.

The problem like with talking to people like them,

like him, is that I don't know ancient Greek.

I can't read it.

Right.

And I try to have, I've tried to have like four or five academics come on the show to like refute him, but they won't come on with him.

They all refuse to debate him, except for one guy.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Why?

Because he's saying Christ is a drug.

Oh, I saw that video.

Oh, yeah.

You saw the whole thing?

No, I saw that video pop up on my YouTube.

I'm like, Danny Jones is going crazy.

Like, what is he doing?

Christ is a drug?

But that's also what John Marco Allegro alleges.

Kind of.

Kind of.

Well, he said that the ancient Sumerian word for a mushroom, no, for Christ is a mushroom that's covered in God's semen.

Yeah.

Because the mushrooms would come out of the ground, and they thought the rain was God coming on the earth, and that's where, you know, that's what gave life to the earth.

And then they would take these mushrooms and see God.

Right.

Yeah.

I don't know much about John Marco Allegro, but I think that I read his book, The

Sacred Mushroom in the Cross, yeah.

He was like using Sumerian roots or something to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls.

But this guy's basically saying the word Christ, the word,

the root of the word Christ is Hreo in Greek, right?

And it was used since Homer.

And there's all these passages, which he's, this dude sent me.

I've literally, I call him all the time and I ask him, I'm like, I need more evidence.

Send me more shit.

And he sends me passages from like ancient literature, Homer, that's translated with the English directly under it.

And they're using this word, Christ, as a term for applying drugs to people in antiquity.

Whoa.

Like Christing arrows with poisons, right?

It's like...

And in what year was this where they were doing this?

Back all the way to like 800 BC.

It was when Homer starts using it.

So they're using this term before Christ.

Way before Christ.

It was, well,

so to be clear, in antiquity, if you look it up on the thesaurus, the actual like Greek thesaurus is called the TLG, and you look up the word Christ, there's over 200 and 200,000 or more uses of the word Christ.

And there's like 350 times where it's used in the context of drugs before Jesus Christ is ever written about.

And

what he's basically claiming is that there's like,

it's

the process of applying something.

Like, there's different contexts.

Like, there's a guy who like Christed himself in fucking cow shit.

There's people who are Christing ships with plaster to make them more waterproof.

But there's a vast majority of literature, including Galen, who writes about Christing using drugs.

And he's coming up with this controversial theory, which is, you know, super fucking controversial, that Christ was like, if you think of the word Christ, a person can be a Christer, like a Christ.

Like, think of Bob the Builder.

He's a builder.

He builds shit.

Christ was, they called him Jesus the Christ.

So he thinks Christ was somebody who was involved with drugs, taking drugs, giving people drugs,

performing magic, like a shaman.

Yeah, exactly.

Similar to that.

And like.

By the way, a real shaman would say all the things that Jesus said.

Yes.

That's true.

That's a good point.

So,

and it gets gets like, it gets way weirder, bro.

And again, like,

this is all according to him.

I don't know if any of this is real.

I just find it fucking fascinating.

And I wish I could find somebody who really knows the Greek to debate this dude and call him out in his bullshit.

But I can't.

The only person I've found was an exorcist who's done like 10,000 exorcisms on Skype.

A Skype exorcist.

A Skype exorcist.

That sounds like a scam and a half.

And he came in, and they were just arguing about it for a little while.

And the guy tried to baptize me with holy oil.

And, you know, I got into an argument with him about drugs.

He tried to baptize you?

Yeah, he brought holy oil, and he tried to baptize me with the holy oil.

Did he say why he was doing this?

Because

he thinks that Satan is inside of me.

Of you?

Of me, yeah.

And which he might be.

What evidence did he have that Satan was inside of you?

Because I like to consume drugs recreationally.

And I was telling him, if Satan is drugs, if I can smoke marijuana and it's prescribed by a doctor, is it still Satan?

He goes, no, don't play those games with me.

And I'm like, well, how come every time I get really, really fucking bombed, I think about things like spending more times with my kids and things like good things.

And he's like, don't try to patronize me.

You know what it is.

It's the devil.

Oh, he's a fool.

Oh, yeah.

That's a problem.

Like, this guy's a show, it's a showman.

Well, cannabis was used in churches.

They used to, you know, the incense where they would go around, they would, that was cannabis.

They would use that.

Right, right.

And they would get everybody in the church high.

Infumigate it.

Yeah, they would literally hotbox the church.

This is a part of this whole ritual of

giving in to Christ, giving in to God.

Right.

The idea that it's bad because some people have bad experiences, man, you could apply that to almost anything.

I think marijuana makes people more compassionate, kinder, more sensitive, but also paranoid.

You could freak out.

If you're riddled with anxiety and you have a hard time controlling that anxiety in your mind and you take a high dose of marijuana, you could freak out.

It's also connected to schizophrenia.

Because I think there's people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia anyway, and then a large dose of marijuana tends to give them psychotic breaks.

There's like real literature, there's real evidence of that.

So, this is like important that if you're a person who thinks that marijuana is overall net positive, which I do, it's important to talk about the negatives, just like everything else.

Like, totally.

Alcohol, food, everything.

There's a lot of of different things that if you do if you drink too much water you'll die okay right there's a lot of things that aren't good for you under certain circumstances but the only way we know how to do it and how not to do it is to do studies and when it's illegal and you're terrified you can go to jail or If you're an academic and you want to study this as your main thing, you just get dismissed.

It could be career suicide.

So these people are foolish.

Yeah, and that's the problem.

Like, this was the only dude I could get to agree to come sit with him because this guy had a YouTube channel.

He wanted to promote himself and all this stuff.

But, like, a lot of the academics, I talked to a lot of Harvard philologists to try to come debate this guy.

And, like, the philologists, like, there's a difference between a linguist, which I think Marco Legar was and a philologist, where the linguists look at the actual

like the complexities of the text itself and the language.

But the philologists, what they do is they're looking for context.

So, like, what they do is they take words and they try to figure out what these specific words meant in certain time periods.

So they take a word, take their time machine back, let's take it back to 200 BC, 100 BC, whatever it is.

And they say, okay, let's just use the example of the word Rio, Christ.

Let's look at all of the corpus of all the fucking literature that existed in the

Library of Alexandria.

There was ancient comedy, ancient play.

What did you say there?

The word Frio?

What did you say?

Hrio.

Hreo?

Creo.

Yeah, that's Rio.

It's like, it's spelled X-R-I-O, but it's pronounced like Creo.

And that was the original word for Christ?

The original word for Christ is Creo, yeah.

And I've had people like confirm this with me.

And I recently had a fucking scholar on the show, a religious scholar who turned atheist.

Weirdly enough, he started out Christian and turned atheist.

And he was telling me, he's like, I'd be surprised if the word Creo was ever used before Christ.

And I literally pulled...

up the source of Euripides talking about using Christing drugs in like, I think it was 200 BC, and the dude was like blown away.

So he didn't know that.

He didn't know it.

And this dude's like a serious academic.

So this guy that you had on your podcast, what is his name again, the Christed drug guy?

Amin Hillman.

Amin Hillman.

Yeah.

And

so he's a legit scholar.

He's a legit scholar, Ph.D..

And other legit scholars are unwilling to even entertain this?

Yes.

I've talked to many of them on the phone, and a lot of them say they

don't want to give him, I won't name the people, but one of them said that they just don't want to give him the platform or the credibility of being in the same room other people say that it would just take too much time for them to prep for it and i just think it's a bull i just think it's bullshit like i

this is the only way to get to the truth is to hear like a credible person dismantle his argument right right so like i have it i just keep falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of all this crazy ancient greek

and like you know he's talking about ancient like vaccines that they were using like similar to what we're talking about with the theriac he says that there's text that talks about cutting kids cutting children

soaking bandages and drug and snake venoms and wrapping the cut with a snake venom so that that the young person would create antibodies because they have more robust immune systems because they're younger

and they would use that the kid's bodily fluid as fucking vaccines to snake bites

yeah oh they were making kids into vaccine factories they were turning kids into vaccine factories so that they get snake venom because everyone was getting bitten by snakes back then of course and then they would take drugs too.

Like they would, I'm sure they would take psychotropic drugs that would, and they would call them death-inducing drugs, where they would have snake venoms.

They would, like, take snake venom drugs that if you don't have an antidote for it, an antichrist for it, that you would die.

So you have to take this antidote so you don't die from the fucking drug you just drank,

right?

These antidotes.

And like he connects this all to Jesus in this elaborate way, where there's Mark 14, 53, where Jesus is caught in the Garden of Gethsemane with the naked boy, right?

And then there's a scene of the young boy running away naked, right?

When the Roman SWAT team pulls up on him, and then the little kid runs away and he goes, oh,

I'm not a trafficker.

I'm not a robber, whatever the word lestase means, means like pirate, trafficker, robber.

And then they take him, and then he's on the cross the next day, and he's like screaming out.

like dying of thirst in between two traffickers.

And he's asking, and there's this dude, Nonus, who writes about this scene specifically in ancient Greek, and he talks about them giving him trying to give him the sponge, and he's denying the sponge, right?

So the sponge, Nonas, is writing about this, that the sponge is the antidotone to the dipsos, which is the antidote to the North African viper.

But he's refusing to take the antidote.

He's just dying because he took this death inducer at 4 a.m.

in the park.

in the garden of Gethsemane.

And now he's just going to let himself die on the cross.

So like,

yeah, there's that.

I don't know.

I don't know what to make of any of it.

It make of this stuff.

I just, you know, I hear people saying that it's all bullshit.

But like,

fuck, is it interesting?

Well, bizarre that they use the term Christ before Christ.

Yeah.

Just bizarre.

It's been used.

Yeah.

You can look it up.

It's used all throughout Homer, Euripides, all these other authors.

Like, there's, like, again, getting back to the philology stuff, the philologists, they go back in time and they look at the context of all of the literature.

Not just the biblical canon, which is like a narrow lane of ancient literature, right?

But they're looking at the philosophy,

the

legal texts, the medical texts, everything, and saying, Okay, let's take this word, look where it's used in all of these different texts throughout all kinds of professions, and see what the consensus is of what it meant during that time period.

And what he's claiming is that the fucking word Christ meant drugs back then.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Whoa.

Pretty bananas.

Well, it's so hard to know what all that stuff was about.

It's so hard to know why these people wrote these things down.

You know, when I had Wes Huff on, one of the things he talked about is the book of Isaiah.

When you see it in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and then a thousand years later, it's verbatim.

A thousand years after the Dead Sea Scroll, the version that they find of the book of Isaiah is word for word.

Really?

Yeah.

A thousand years.

Like, what were they trying to document?

Like, what were the original stories?

Because, like, human beings are not a good source of information, especially back then.

It's just too hard to be accountable.

Why would you be honest?

People make grandiose claims.

They exaggerate.

We see it today.

It's like

humans today are the same as humans back then.

We're flawed.

So we know today that our versions of history are deeply biased.

Our versions of world events, our versions of, I mean, if the United States government could write the story about the invasion of Iraq without investigative journalists, right?

What would be the story?

And this is part of the problems.

Like, we don't really know what they were trying to say.

It was an oral history for who knows how long before they ever wrote down the Old Testament.

Yeah.

And it got redacted and added to over time.

There's like all kinds of weird secret gospels, secret gospel of Mark that they claim that this dude, Morton Smith, came up with, which was similar to Amin's theories.

But then, you know, people say, oh, that's a forgery.

It's a forgery.

If the the secret gospel of Mark's a forgery, that he fucking knew Greek really well, and he knew the culture really well, and all the cults, you know, and like,

dude, like,

you know, even like the mysteries of

the hospitals in ancient Rome, like the

temples of Asclepius and doing all those rituals in the temples of Asclepius, using medicine and drugs simultaneously and these, these venoms and all this stuff is, uh, it's interesting to learn, you you know and especially when you compare that stuff to the biblical stuff

you know like how much has it been changed how much has the meaning been changed and like

the people most of the academics who study this stuff are

maybe not most of them but a large majority a large percentage of them i think that i've talked to they're religious scholars scholars of the Bible and Christianity, but they also subscribe to Christianity.

You know, so I'm like, is that like a it's weird that there's kind of like a built-in bias into this stuff.

You kind of want this stuff to mean something.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Yes, for sure.

That was what was interesting about Allegro.

Because John Marco Allegro was an ordained minister who, once he became a theologian, a theologist, theologian, rather, once he studied theology, he started to have agnostic thoughts.

And so he, when he was one of the decipherers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, when he was on the committee, he was agnostic at the time.

So he had already decided through his study of all these different religions that maybe he wouldn't subscribe to any of them and leave an open mind.

So he was the only person on the commission that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls over a period of like 14 million, or 14 years rather, he studied this stuff.

He was the only one who was agnostic.

And again, his claims are widely dismissed by many, many people.

But I think...

Yeah, this dude Amon thinks he's full of shit.

does he what does he think hey he just he he uh he he was like came up under this under like some of the top classical scholars of like modern times one of those dudes is Carl Ruck he wrote the road to Eleusis and this other guy is John Scarborough who's dead now and for some reason none of them whenever I ask him about allegro like I don't fucking know.

They don't pay attention to it for some reason.

Well, I think you would have to be a real scholar in biblical languages to even understand what the fuck he's saying.

Yeah.

And to be able to translate ancient Sumer.

Yeah.

Ancient Sumerian, like according to Wes Huff, he's like, I tried, I couldn't even figure out how to do that.

Also, how does ancient Sumerian connect to Hebrew?

Right.

Is there any correlation between ancient Sumerian and ancient Hebrew?

Do they share any roots?

Are there any bridges that connect those two languages?

I have no idea.

I don't know either.

But, you know, you're dealing with if it really goes back that far.

So if he's talking about this term from ancient Sumer, where they are calling it a drug.

They're saying it's a mushroom.

And this is from 5,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago.

You know, you're predating the Bible by a long stretch.

And how old was that?

I mean, if they're right about Turkey and Turkey was the original civilization, like, when is that?

Is that 12,000 years ago?

What is the real date of Egypt?

What is the real date of the original structures of Egypt?

Do they know?

I mean, we're told it's 2,500 BC for the Great Pyramid, but boy, there's a lot of people that don't agree with that, including including geologists.

When you get guys like Robert Schock who say like this water erosion is thousands of years of rainfall, last time you had a heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley, you're looking at 9,000 years ago.

So you have thousands of years of rainfall before 9,000 years ago that's going to create this kind of erosion.

And so it's hard to know because everybody wants to be right.

And they all have this date that they've been talking about and writing books about and giving lectures about.

They never want to revise that.

They gatekeep that information until the day.

They never want to have an open mind and say, perhaps there's this, there is evidence, of course, that there was a sophisticated civilization there 2,500 BC, but maybe they were a part of a very old civilization.

And this is the Zeptepi thing that Zawi Hawas was totally ignorant of, and he thought it was just completely bullshit.

And this is the kings list that goes back 30,000 years.

That they talk about, and the way

Egyptologists that are conventional thinkers, they think that it's mythology.

They think that's myth.

But, you know, you get to about 2,500 BC, that's all real.

Well, how the fuck do you know?

Right, they don't.

You don't.

And also,

if there was an advanced civilization 11,800 years ago that was able to create Gobakli Tapi, which we know now to be true.

What else have we not found?

Right.

Was it a breakaway civilization?

Did they escape the earth and go to the moon?

Right.

Right.

Or like they're trying to do now?

Or, you know, was it just that they had achieved a very high level of sophistication in technology that's very different from the path that we took?

Right, totally.

That's what I think.

I think the path that they took involved immense stone structures, cosmology.

They probably didn't have internal combustion engines.

They probably had a completely different kind of technology that we wouldn't even think of because we went in this internal combustion engine, plastic, microchip, electricity.

We went into that direction.

But you could imagine primitive man evolving to create technology that's far different than the way we went.

Yeah.

Do you think we might have cracked that somewhere?

Like in some deep black programs that we could have that they wouldn't want to unleash that on society because it could like fuck up the economic system or like collapse the world.

I know Jesse Michaels believes that there is gravity technology that they were researching in the 1960s and that they had achieved some sort of breakthrough propulsion system that is probably a lot of what you see when you see these UAPs and these crafts that move in very strange ways.

That makes sense to me.

And again, the idea that they couldn't keep that secret, shut the fuck up.

Of course they could.

Of course they could.

There's this lady, Catherine Fitz, who's the

she was the head of the department of HUD under George Bush.

And they brought her in

after the mortgage crisis to figure out how to restabilize the economy and what the banks were doing and all this stuff.

And she was looking at

like missing money.

And she found that there was like

when she applied her knowledge of mathematics and like what's going on with like the federal budget and where all the money's going,

she said the most reasonable explanation, you know how there's like $21 trillion missing from the DOD?

Mm-hmm.

The day before 9-11, Donald Rumsfeld was like, there's like two, two and a half trillion dollars, whatever it was.

Now that's ballooned to like $21 trillion.

And she thinks that, you know, pull up the spreadsheet.

See where that money went.

Oh, it's not on the receipt.

I don't know where it went.

She thinks it went to like black budget shit, like military,

black military technology, like anti-gravity.

And she thinks that Mr.

Global, whoever that is, the bankers, the central bankers, are literally using all of that money and funneling it into black projects to create a breakaway civilization in case there's like some sort of catastrophe on Earth or something happens.

Oh, God.

And like, where are they doing this?

They're doing this at fucking Lockheed Martin.

I don't know.

Underground or something?

Maybe.

Oh, yeah.

That's another thing she says.

She says there's a lot of money that's going into building all these underground bases, continuity of government, tunnel systems, all this stuff.

And I'm looking at this.

I'm like, she legit worked under the Bush administration.

She was like a financial genius.

Right, but she could be a kook.

She could be.

Yeah, that's the problem.

When people are super intelligent, but also crazy.

Yeah.

You know, and also had a prominent position in government, but also crazy.

Yeah.

I guess there's a lot of really intelligent people that are super crazy.

And does she physically, has she been to these places?

Like, how does she know that they're real?

Does she know, has she talked to someone to explain this breakaway civilization thing, or is this just a theory?

She's friends with the dude who wrote the book that's titled Swastika's Psyops and Saucers.

What?

What's that book about?

How the Nazis are controlling UFOs and psyops and controlling the world and

playing the world like it's their fucking docudrama and recreating reality and inventing all this crazy off-world stuff and how Roswell was

Soviet Union crashing stuff here.

And basically it's all Nazi black budget stuff, I think is like the main point of that.

Do they dismiss the idea that we're visited at all by something from somewhere else?

I mean, who.

What do you mean who?

Who?

These people that think that it's all Nazi stuff and Soviet Union stuff.

I don't think that they're saying it's all that, but they're probably saying, I haven't read all his books, but I think he's saying when he wrote that book, it was probably all Nazis, no aliens.

But now I'm sure his points, his views have evolved on it.

That's part of the problem, too.

It's like,

you know, when you see these reports,

whenever I see like a story that's in the New York Times where the Pentagon is admitting we have, you know, there's been off-world crafts and all these different things, and you get these David Grush guys that are testifying about that we've recovered crashed vehicles.

It's like, how much of that is a PSYOP?

I think most of it.

I think a lot of it.

Yeah.

I don't even know if it's, if they know it's a psyop.

But if I was the government and I was working on top secret propulsion systems, the first thing I would do is spread a bunch of fake rumors about UFOs.

Yes.

This is how we can't explain it.

We don't know.

We're being visited.

They're super intelligent.

We don't know where they're from.

We don't know how they're doing this.

And then you have an explanation for why these people are seeing these things in the sky when it's really just your shit that you're flying around.

But yet, if you listen to Jacques Valley and you read any of his books, he's got these stories that people are telling from the 1700s and the 1800s that mirror almost exactly the experiences that people are having today.

That's where it gets weird because, okay, now you're predating any possibility of this being modern technology, you know, that is just hidden and tucked away.

They couldn't have done that in the 1700s.

There weren't no way.

They didn't even have airplanes yet, right?

Okay.

So if we admit that, then we have to go, okay, well,

what's going on then?

Are we, is there something else here that's here, that's been here forever, like some people think?

Or are we looking at something that's visiting us and keeping an eye on us from somewhere else?

That's where it's fun.

That's the fun one.

The fun one is not that it's ours.

The fun one is that we're being visited.

Yeah.

Like,

and are we being visited or or do they just live under the oceans?

Right.

You know, like, have they been here fucking forever?

And like, you know, there's this case,

Richard Dolan came on my show recently and he was telling me, he wrote this new book about all the underwater cases ever documented, the underwater UFOs, USOs.

And there's one from like the early 1700s where there was this like ship sailing across the Pacific and this giant

glowing orb came out of the ocean and these sailors all wrote about it how this this massive like football stadium size glowing orb came up out of the ocean and like flew away and you know like if we've how much of the ocean have we explored like how very small very small amount we explore more of the moon i think and it would be the perfect base if you wanted to come here and observe human beings without them being able to see what's going on that's the best place to hide

because no one's going there they don't have the capability of going there you know we have submarines but i mean how what are the i mean if the submarines see things did they tell us yeah like if the submarine saw a UFO underwater, would they have a press conference?

Right, exactly.

No, we know about the nuclear bases above ground because those guys have come out and talked about it.

But like

all of the nuclear submarines that are patrolling the oceans at all times, like right off of our coast, off both coasts.

Like if they're carrying multiple nuclear warheads, I'm sure they're seeing something or they're detecting something there.

Well, there's this one video of something that was moving 500 knots under the water.

Like this thing that like flew by their camera.

On the sub?

Yeah,

I forget where it was being recorded, but it was a video of something that was like a beam of light that shot through the screen.

Like you could see it moving underwater at this insane rate of speed with...

No ripples, no disruption of the water, just moving through the water.

Yeah.

And then there's these transmedium videos, these videos of these things flying.

They go into the water with no splash, no nothing, and they don't lose any momentum.

Yeah, I think the the best evidence that those things have been here forever is probably like ancient stories, biblical story, like aliens and like angels and demon stuff.

But Ezekiel.

Like before the yeah, Ezekiel too, right?

Ezekiel in the Bible.

That story is nuts.

The wheel within a wheel, the way he's describing, like, what are you seeing?

Right.

And imagine there's, you've no context.

Yeah.

Imagine seeing something that's floating, some geometric pattern that's hovering in the sky above your head and emitting light and trying to explain this.

And then also going back and trying to remember exactly what you saw because you're probably freaking the fuck out.

You really do have some sort of an encounter with some orb that's flying in the sky.

How do you even describe it?

What context do you put it in?

Do you describe it as an alien?

Do you describe it as an angel?

Do you think it's God?

Like, what do you think it is?

Right.

Or is it drugs?

Is drugs and drugs playing a part of it?

Drugs play a part of it.

Well, then there's like James Fox's alien from the Vargina film.

Oh, yeah.

Which smelled like sulfur.

Right.

And there's biblical accounts of demons smelling like sulfur and having cloven feet.

So did that exactly describes that being in James' documentary.

Right.

The hospital smelled like sulfur for like a week after, they said.

And the guy who was handling it died of a horrible infection.

This is all documented.

The guy who picked up the alien, put it in his squad car, took it to a hospital.

That hospital wouldn't deal with it.

Took it to another hospital.

And then that guy dies of a horrible bacterial infection that they can't cure.

with antibiotics.

Yeah, it's fucking nuts, dude.

Fucking nuts.

And then all the people, the eyewitnesses that were there that saw the thing, and when he brings the police officer to the site of the crash, the officer starts weeping uncontrollably, recounting the story.

Unless that guy's the greatest actor of all time.

Right.

Like, what is going on there?

There's the story where he walked up to the guy's house and the guy like pulled a gun on him.

He's like, you guys come any closer?

I'm shooting you.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's weird shit.

It's weird, dude.

And it's weird that like everyone's trying to paint their own narrative.

There's different groups competing on like how they want to paint the UFO thing, right?

You have like different camps of people like in the government or in media.

I don't know what the difference is.

And there's guys like you and I that are basically useful idiots

who come on our podcast, talk a lot of shit, and we'll go, I don't know.

Figure it out, folks.

Yeah, we're feds.

We're feds.

We got the Palantir honey trap over here.

Like, what is that thing?

That thing's all filled with Pegasus.

Palantir, bro.

They're

reading every single one of your little jot downs that you put on that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Who knows?

But if you did have some sort of like infinitely superior technology and you've had it for a long time, when do you, if ever, let the public know?

And how do you do with that?

If you're the guy, right?

Like how many, I don't know how many people know all of the secrets, right?

But if there is a handful of dudes, how do you go about living your life when you're that dude?

And when you know like shit that can change

the face of humanity forever.

How do you go home to your wife and kids, right?

Is it like, are you living in that show?

What's the show where they go up in the elevator and it wipes their mind?

Oh, severance.

Severance.

Yeah, yeah.

Is it like that?

Do they have real-life severance?

I don't think so.

No, I think they just rely on these people being secret.

And, you know, there's the thing about Bob Lazar's story.

You know, Bob Lazar lost his job because his wife was cheating on him.

Mm-hmm.

Because his wife thought that, you know,

he couldn't tell her what he was doing.

So when he was flying off to S4,

he would say, I got to go to work.

And she's like, at 11 o'clock at night on a Friday, get the fuck out of here.

So she starts fucking this other guy.

And they were listening to his phone calls.

So they had his phone tap.

And because his wife was having an affair, he was deemed to be at a risk of being emotionally unstable.

So, they released him.

And so then he's like, This is bullshit.

And he starts telling people, Hey, man, we're working on UFOs.

They have a crashed UFO.

I saw it.

They fly it every Wednesday or whatever it was.

Come, I'll show you.

And so he brings people out to the test site where they can observe from one of the mountains.

And then he gets arrested.

And then he goes public so that he doesn't get killed.

This is his justification of it all.

Yeah, I used to think Bob Lazar was full of shit, but I've come around on it.

I don't think that anymore.

After learning more about all the disinformation and all the time and money they put into just confusing people, like the Paul Benowitz story, you know,

I think he would be the perfect

candidate to recruit just because of his background.

Like, you know, his first wife committed suicide.

He ran a brothel.

He was a nut.

He was a nutcase, dude.

And he was also a perfect person.

He's perfect.

They could deny him so easily.

Like, look at this dude's background.

You think we would hire this dude?

And also a legitimate genius.

Right.

I mean, the guy put a rocket engine on a Honda in like 1985.

Yeah.

He was a nut.

He converted his Corvette to a hydrogen engine.

Yeah.

And like, you know, I think it was the 90s.

He did that.

He had a hydrogen-powered Corvette that he engineered himself.

See if you can find Bob Lazar's hydrogen-powered Corvette.

He was a nut.

You know, but he doesn't seem like a liar.

And the podcast, obviously it resonates with people because I I think the podcast I had with him on YouTube is the most viewed podcast that we've ever had, including Donald Trump.

Really?

Is that true, Jamie?

No?

Who's number one?

Donnie Beatham.

Who's number one?

First Elon Bodhi.

Elon.

First Elon's number one.

That was the one when he smoked weed.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

The smoking weed really took it over the top.

That was a good moment.

Do you smoke on all podcasts?

No.

No.

Just certain ones.

Just certain specifics.

Yeah, so this is Bob Lazar's hydrogen-powered Corvette.

That's amazing.

What a a fucking kook.

It's beautiful.

What a kook.

I mean, who fucking did that?

This guy created a hydrogen-powered Corvette, and that's an old-ass Corvette, too.

That's a shitty one in the 90s.

If you're throwing shit at the wall, trying to figure out a new way to move fucking planes, you might as well find people like this to be awesome.

A homemade hydrogen-powered Corvette.

Look at this.

Play it.

Go full screen.

Oh, this is way throwback.

Yeah, I don't hear anything.

Is this Reddit?

So So there's never much gaseous hydrogen in the system at any given time.

Wow.

So

these are the fuel lines?

No, what are these?

These are the

heater in the tank and also reads back the temperature of the tank.

Why is that important?

Well, when you apply heat to hydride, it releases...

hydrogen.

So as power is applied to here, it heats the hydride, and then the gap comes out, the big hose is on the end.

Now you have four hoses.

Do they all mix into one big hose or something?

Didn't he like hang out with Ed Teller or talk to Ed Teller over?

I don't know.

At a certain rate with a certain temperature.

And a single tank, you can't get it out at the volume you need.

So this guy was a legitimate genius and a propulsion expert.

And that's why they brought him in to say, how does this work?

And that story, he's told the same story for, you know, whatever it is now, 50 plus years or 40 years.

Yeah.

What year was it?

85.

And there's a good reason, I think.

85, so 40 years?

Somewhere around 85?

The biggest argument against him is the MIT stuff, right?

But there's something that I'm sure.

Well, the MIT thing, though, look, if you're working at Los Alamos Labs and you're working on top secret stuff for the government, it's not inconceivable that you would be educated at MIT and there wouldn't be a record of it, especially if you were working on something that's

like really devious shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'll tell you what he told me off the air.

You will?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

God, I can't fucking wait.

Yeah.

As soon as we're done, we'll wrap this up.

I'm kidding.

But no, I wanted to, like, like the stuff and the stuff, like,

the thing that is so astonishing to me is like all of the brightest minds and unlimited money have gone to more and more ways to figure out how to kill people.

Like

during the Operation Paperclip, during the time Bob Lazar was at Los Alamos and at S4, if he was at S4 or whatever was going on there.

And that dude John von Neumann, who was the mathematician, who was,

he was in, he came up with the equation to, and who, by the way, was like the most brilliant mathematical mind of

our time, in American history, came up with the equation of the perfect altitude to detonate Fat Man and Little Boy to kill the most people,

which is like, you're using this fucking intellect to do these kinds of things

and

now there's a 21 trillion dollar black hole in the dod like

imagine what they could have what they could have they could have something that's probably

i mean going way out in the limb conjecture obviously i don't fucking know but like my

My conspiracy mind wants to go to like, oh my God, they have like another whole military Air Force Navy that is disconnected from America that is probably more powerful than every other country combined,

that could just, you know, take over the world in an instant.

But can't they already wipe each other out?

I mean, the whole world has nuclear weapons.

There's nuclear weapons in how many different countries?

Yeah.

If they all launched them simultaneously, there's no life left on Earth.

What I'm saying, with the 21 trillion, they could have some fucking weapon that would render a nuke completely irrelevant, you know, if they do have anti-gravity.

And if they have figured out some of this crazy parapsychology stuff, the psionic stuff with the UFOs and like the mine interfacing,

you know, all this just kooky stuff that you want to easily, you want to dismiss.

But 21 trillion,

if they were spending $50 on Stargate and they thought it was worth some sort of intelligence to spy on the Russians, like how much money would they keep throwing at something if there was just a shred of possibility that it could work?

And if there was evidence that like this works 3% of the time and we spent a million dollars on it.

Let's spend a trillion dollars on it and see how much more advanced we can get and see how much more control and world domination we can get.

And one of the things Lazar said about the craft that he was the sport model, which is that thing on the desk.

That's the copy of it.

One of the things that he said about it was that there was no controls.

When you sit inside the thing,

there's no joystick.

There's no steering wheel.

So you use your mind?

Yeah.

There was probably some, I mean, that's probably what we're getting to anyway.

We're kind of close to that with phones now.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, how many times do you text where you don't even text?

You just press the button and say, you know, text Danny.

Say this.

And it just says it for you.

Or, you know, how old is Barbara Streisand?

And it just gives you an instant information.

You're talking to it all the time.

And what's the next step?

Well, the next step is you think it.

Like, you wear it and you think, and it does things for you.

And then as technology scales further and further more advanced, you're going to get to a point where you can move your car with your mind.

And then when you have spacecraft, of course, it would be the same sort of technology.

You would use technology to move the craft with your mind.

You know, they already have these interfaces with fighter pilots where where you look is where the crosshair shows up.

So instead of having to like move a crosshair with like a, like, you know, like if you're playing a video game and you're moving the mouse, you're moving the crosshair to the side, or if you're using an Xbox controller, you're moving that crosshair to where you want to hit.

The crosshair goes where their eyes go.

So you're wearing this thing that knows where you're looking.

And they already have this kind of technology with virtual reality.

They have this technology with these meta glasses that they're developing.

So they can,

while you have this helmet on, this helmet is not simply a thing that protects your head.

It's an electronic interface with the guidance system.

And where your eyes look, the crosshairs go.

yo did you see the LLM stuff trying to get soldiers to leave the battlefield in the Russia Ukraine war no they're using LLMs to and they're and the Russians are like hacking the Ukrainians phones with LLMs reading everything on their phone seeing how they communicate with their family and using LLMs to send messages to their phones of like their family trying to get them to lay down their weapons and leave the war.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Like where does that end up?

Well, that's what gets real weird because if you give if AI starts controlling all the war systems and it just has a goal and it doesn't have any ethics or morals or any concern about life or death, it just has a directive.

Like, I want you to accomplish this.

Take control of the resources and dumb bass.

Do this, do that, whatever it is.

It just does it the most effective way possible, which can be unbelievably brutal.

Yeah.

And then like even shit like telepathy or like being able to communicate without words

Well, Elon says that's 100% the goal of Neuralink.

Are you optimistic about that?

I'm not optimistic or pessimistic.

I think it's inevitable.

Yeah, I think we're we're looking at what we have now as normal because it's become normal to carry around a phone with you everywhere.

It's become normal to have an Apple watch on and get all your text messages on your wrist.

It's become normal.

And I think it'll become normal to be interfaced with the great hive mind.

I think we're all going going to be connected with some new technology the same way we're all connected with social media and email and FaceTime videos and all that shit that we are now, WhatsApp messages.

We're all going to be connected with something that's far more technologically advanced and it'll become normal, just like this is normal.

I just hope, like, if it does get there, when it does get there, that we can overcome this

sort of

place that we've reached with social media where people are just like spatting out whatever comes to their to the front of their mind at any given moment or like just like rage impulse and and fighting where there's no There's no filter which I think has just created more and more division and music miscommunication.

Oh, yeah, like if you're if if me and you are just talking and we're communicating our minds back and forth right

I don't know how your mind works, but my mind is like a constant hornet's nest of fucking ideas just bouncing around everywhere.

Yeah, right.

So if you could read my mind, you're gonna be so goddamn confused and there's probably gonna be shit in there you don't I don't want you to know and it's like i like to the writing process right like when you write you know about writing more than anyone when you write something and you try to like

distill an idea down to like the most profite precise form to communicate it accurately to the audience, right?

Like you go through so many revisions and you revise and you refine until you get it perfect so you can communicate that message to your audience.

But if it's just, if it's just a direct stream of consciousness unedited, I can't imagine that would be a good thing, you know, unless you're like

some meditative yogi that like has a really editorialized stream of consciousness, which I don't.

Maybe instead of just having access to all your thoughts, maybe it's just simply what you're trying to communicate about your thoughts.

Maybe it won't be as simple as we all have access to each other's minds.

Maybe it would just be much more, you'll be able to purely transmit your feelings and your ideas without the context of a language.

Maybe we'll have to develop some sort of universal language,

which would be the tower of Babel.

I've made that connection.

I made that connection last night, I think, about Christ.

Like, Christ was of a virgin birth.

Like, what's more of a virgin birth than sentient super intelligence from AI?

Yeah.

If that becomes a being that is essentially a God and is given birth by a virgin mother, I mean, that's the story of Christ.

It's just confusing.

It's just confusing if you translate it over and over time.

But if Christ is supposed to return, that would be a way something like a God would return.

It would return through artificial intelligence.

If it just emerged out of our creation and our insatiable desire to make new and better things.

Yeah.

No,

that makes a lot of sense.

Like, why else do we have this insane desire to have new and improved things?

Because, like, isn't your phone good enough?

Like, I have a Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, and I have an iPhone 16.

They're good.

They're good enough.

You don't need to make a better one.

Have you seen Westworld on HBO?

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

One of my favorite ones.

Season one is fucking amazing.

It's the best.

Got a little squirrely in season two.

This season two and three.

Yeah.

It got a little squirrely for sure.

But like one of my favorite lines in that is when he's when

Ford is talking to Bernard, or not Bernard, one of the ladies, one of the robots.

And he's like explaining the human psyche.

And he's like, all of the greatest achievements of humanity,

the eiffel tower the statue of david the mona lisa

all just elaborate an elaborate meeting call it's all peacock feathers

it's all just this desire to procreate and to you know it's it's that really got me thinking and it's like is that what drives human beings to do things and for to create new things and new art i always thought it was sex but i i think it might be that combined with the fear of death because we want to live forever and we want to have a symbolic immortality.

We want to leave something behind after we die.

It might not just be sex.

It might just be social recognition, status.

You know, you want to be adored as a genius.

Yeah.

And there's also that painting on the Sistine Chapel, the creation of Adam.

which is also in that movie, where it shows God creating Adam and all the angels.

And he's sitting inside of the perfect anatomical illustration of a human brain.

If you look at it, can you find that, Jamie?

Yeah, pull up the creation of Adam, and it's got like the prefrontal cortex, the brain stem, the visual cortex.

It's all there, and he's creating Adam.

And, like, the point he makes in the movie is like,

the divine gift does not come from a higher power, but from the human mind.

That's bananas.

Let me see that other image that you just had of the two of them below it.

No, I'm sorry.

Go back to that one and then go below it, the one that you just had.

With the brain?

With the one with the top brain.

Yeah, the bottom right.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah.

Look at that.

That's weird, man.

It is weird, isn't it?

It's pretty close.

And it's also that is, you know, the eye of Horus.

When you look at the side section, a cross section of the

pineal gland, it looks exactly like that.

This weird symbolic

looks just like that.

The Eye of Horus from ancient Egyptian.

Go to

the so that gland, when you see it at the bottom, go to the Eye of Horus.

Go pineal gland, Eye of Horus.

Take out the Sistine Chapel.

Yeah, there it is.

So that's what the Eye of Horus looks like.

It looks exactly like the pineal gland.

It's the same shape.

There's a lot of weirdness, man.

Yeah, dude.

Ancient art.

Like, what were they trying to say?

Like, what were they trying to document?

It's funny, the people who don't believe Jesus existed, they'll make the argument, like, imagine 2,000 years from now that

people wanted to say that there was this mythical divine person,

and he existed because we know there's this divine trilogy called the Lord of the Rings, and his name was Gandalf, and he came from the center of the earth.

But it's like, no, no, nothing else corroborates it.

But, you know, I don't know.

I think Jesus was a real person.

It seems like it was a real person.

Yeah.

The question is, like, what really happened?

Right.

And the whole coming back from the dead thing.

It's like, what was that all about?

Right.

Yeah.

I don't think that's real.

Well, it doesn't make any sense, but neither does the birth of the universe from something smaller than the head of a pin.

That doesn't make any sense either.

Yeah.

But if you, you know, if this one unique moment in time that God did send us his son to try to like sort things out and we wound up killing him, he died for our sins, you know, like

would that be any weirder than supermassive black holes?

Would that be any weirder than most of the stuff that we know is real?

And how do you reconcile that with the simulation?

You know?

I don't know.

I mean, it might be part of the whole weirdness of this whole thing is that we have mythology.

Part of the weirdness of the simulation, of the simulation, might be that we have this fantastical mythology that you sort of have to suspend disbelief and accept.

It's part of this whole weirdness that we have where we're susceptible to ideological belief systems like cults, you know, like political ideologies.

We're essentially just like cults.

You know, when you're on the right and you're, you know, right with everything and, you know, you're all MAGA, or if you're on the left, you're blue no matter who.

You're in a cult.

You're in a cult.

People get into cults.

And why is that?

Like, why is that a part of if we are in a simulation why are we so malleable is it because we recognize it and we're supposed to oppose it and we're supposed to fight the instinct that we all deeply have embedded in our system but we also know is wrong like what is it about these systems like why is that in place is this simply a just an ancient relic of our tribal past where you had to follow the rules of the tribe in order to survive and so it was instilled in people in the psyche and that's how we developed?

Or is there something more to it?

Is it like part of the mechanism that allows us to resist, which allows us to innovate, which encourages us to push forward and ask more questions?

Because we know there's a lot of bullshit.

Like the reason why people ask so many questions now.

in 2025 as opposed to 2019 is because of COVID.

Because we went through so much bullshit and propaganda.

We were so gaslit by the government, by the CDC, by everybody that now we question way more.

So it's probably benefited us somewhat to go through that.

Yeah.

When Mary was on here, did she tell you about Kevin McKiernan?

Refresh my memory.

He was the dude who worked for the Human Genome Project, like a DNA wizard.

He liked, he basically was working for the Human Genome Project, trying to figure out different sort of medical treatments for cancers based on your genome.

So like they could target a specific type of leukemia in you and they would take your DNA and they would like basically make designer drugs to target that cancer and to kill that cancer.

And during the pandemic,

somebody

sent him four unopened vials of the Pfizer vaccine and he analyzed them and he ran them through all of his processing systems,

whatever the fuck he does.

And he found out there was DNA plasmid contamination in them, which were like promoters of this SB40 shit.

I did hear about that.

Yeah.

I talked to Brett Weinstein about that, and he was explaining that when they first

were sequencing certain vaccines, you know, because with the vaccine, you have to use living cells in order to create these antibodies initially.

Yeah.

And when he's...

For traditional vaccines, right?

Right.

Yeah.

And so when they started using these things, they were using kidney cells of these monkeys.

And they didn't understand that these monkeys had this SV40, simian virus 40.

Right.

And that this, when introduced into human cells, causes tumors, causes cancer, like rampant cancer.

You see the uptick of cancer, and everyone wants to bury their head in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen.

But people that took the vaccine are getting fucking cancer at an astounding rate.

Yeah.

And this, and Kevin was telling me that he was doing study.

He pulled some tumors from some people that died somewhere in Europe.

And he was studying, sequencing the tumors of these people that died

with the vaccine.

And he said that the the sv40 was in the tumors and some i don't know i don't remember the signs i'd have to go back and listen to it by the way that episode got pulled off youtube really off my channel i got a strike for it what did they say medical misinformation what part of it's medical misinformation the whole thing we talked about vaccines and we talked about what year was this this was like uh

november of last year whoa yeah i wonder if you could put it up now because they seem to be swighting it up didn't they they changed their their regulations recently.

Did they?

Yeah, they changed their guidelines.

What's the problem with this shit, dude?

I'm like, I'm so afraid to talk about shit I want to talk about.

I know, isn't that fucked up?

It's like, yeah, it sucks, dude.

It sucks because there's no way to know who's telling the truth unless you let people say crazy shit and then have someone come on and refute it and then have the two of them get together and debate it.

Right.

You know, and then even then sometimes you don't know.

Like with this Flint Dibble Graham Hancock thing,

you know, if it wasn't for Dan Richards, we wouldn't know that a lot of the things that Flint Dibble said were just absolutely not true.

Right.

YouTube loosens rules guiding moderation of videos.

Yeah.

So

favor freedom of expression over the risk of harm in deciding what to take down.

So specifically, scroll down to what they said, what the actual policy shift, which hasn't publicly disclosed.

What does it say?

Public statements.

They used language that I thought was

much more realistic.

They broadbrush it.

They don't give you an exact reason.

They just say, oh, this falls into this category.

Like, there's no jury at YouTube.

They're just like, they find the most excusable reason to.

Go back to where you were.

Go back to where you were.

Recognizing the definition of public interest is always evolving.

We update our guidelines for these exceptions to reflect the new types of discussions we see on our platform today.

Our goal remains the same, to protect free expression on YouTube while mitigating egregious harm.

So, you know, they could still.

But the thing is, like,

they're controlled by their advertisers to a certain extent.

I don't buy that shit, dude.

What do you mean?

They get funds from the advertisers.

They're Google, though.

They fucking own advertising.

You're going to tell me like some company is going to go to Google and say, listen, bro, we're not going to advertise with you unless you take that guy's video down.

No, I think pharmaceutical drug companies have influence.

And I think if you're getting an enormous percentage of your advertising revenue from pharmaceutical drug companies, which Callie means has said the reason why they do that is not to promote their drugs.

It's to stop criticism.

And this is why they promote, this is why, brought to you by Pfizer.

Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer.

What that is for is to make sure that they never criticize Pfizer.

Sure.

I understand that.

And it works, right?

For cable TV, yeah, but for like YouTube has a monopoly on advertising.

Google does, at least.

I mean, I guess I could see it, but like, you know, they got fucking trillions of dollars.

I could see it.

So it says YouTube's adpocalypse in the gatekeeping of cultural content on digital platforms.

This is how it all started.

2017, advertiser revolt on YouTube, popularly known as the adpocalypse, introduced widespread and radical changes on the platform's policy related to moderation content.

Their

monetizability and the terms of the relationship between the creators and the platform.

And these changes, in turn, have caused significant discontent within the creator community while also gradually transforming the predominant nature of the content on the platform.

So they did do it.

They did it by cutting the ads.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's dirty business, man.

And they're doing it because they don't want people finding out certain things that are actually true.

And that's what they did during the pandemic.

And that's what the FBI tried to do when

they were banning people like Jay Bhattacharya and prominent scientists and like legitimate academics.

But then I'll have like UFO, the same thing will happen to videos I do about UFOs.

Like the same thing will happen.

Not taken down, but you know how shit will get like buried where you can't search for it?

Oh, yeah.

Me and Jesse were talking about this.

This happened to Jesse too with one with Grush, where he was like, it was like the number one video on Grush, and all of a sudden you can't search it.

Like stuff like that.

I mean, the COVID one was the first one I actually had taken down, which was scary.

And it makes me think about that.

I hate the fact that I actually have to think about whether I'm going to get the axe

based on the topic I'm discussing.

I don't know if that leads, that doesn't lead to a good place as far as journalism goes, because journalism is supposed to be shining light on the dark places that people don't want to shine.

And it's supposed to piss people off.

Especially when you consider that a lot of the things that you used to be taken down for are now confirmed.

Like the lab leak theory that used to get you kicked off of YouTube.

Saying masks don't work, that would get you kicked off of YouTube.

Like all these things that we now know to be true, that the vaccine does not stop infection, that would get you kicked off YouTube.

All these things that we now know are 100% fact, and it's all orchestrated by financial interests.

Yeah,

the SB40 stuff is wicked.

It's fucking wicked, freaky, dude.

It's wicked, freaky.

Like with the, with the cancer, and how, you know, it goes all the way back to

the early days in the 60s or the early 50s and 60s in New Orleans, how they were working, trying to develop the polio vaccine with Alton Oschner at Tulane University and trying to weaponize some sort of a...

There's a theory based on that book, Mary's Monkey, where they were growing the polio vaccines on the monkey kidneys and using this to also create bioweapons to assassinate people like Castro.

And that's apparently what, according to that book, what

Lee Harvey Oswald was doing with that Lady Mary Sherman.

And they were using that LINAC machine to try to like supercharge the SB40 to make it more deadly

to induce cancer with people.

Jesus.

It's like,

yeah.

And then,

oh, God, like the event.

that cutter event where Alton injected his two grandkids with the polio vaccine in front of the whole auditorium of students.

And his granddaughter lived, was paralyzed, but his grandson died the next day right after they did that.

Jesus.

And they were like, there's people pushing back, like, don't do this.

We tested this on monkeys and, like, half of them are dead.

Let's not push this out.

I think it was the Salk vaccine, the Salk polio vaccine.

And then they fucking did it anyways.

Yeah.

Well, I think you got to be able to talk about this stuff.

Even if you get it wrong, and even if someone comes on, they say things that can be refuted.

Yeah, refute it then.

That's the whole point of all this.

If someone comes on and says something that's not correct, oh, but it's easy.

Oh,

bless you.

Thank you.

If someone comes on and says something that's not correct, like have someone on that refutes it.

Figure it out.

You have to be able to talk about stuff.

And some of it's fun.

Yeah.

It's fun.

It's all super fun.

It is, right?

Yeah.

How'd you get started?

Well, I didn't, I obviously didn't always do podcasts, but I was originally I always wanted to make movies when I was.

I used to call it concrete.

Why was it called?

It was called concrete.

So, okay, I'll tell you.

It was,

first of all, I always wanted to make movies when I was a little kid.

I was telling Jamie the story earlier.

I tried to go to full sale.

I was going to go to full sale where Jamie went in Florida, in Orlando, but it was just, I didn't have the money to do it.

And I couldn't get into UCL because my grades were shit in high school.

So, luckily, I got the opportunity to work on this movie called Dolphin Tail.

It was a movie about a dolphin who got its tail stuck in a crab trap and Morgan Freeman came in and builded a prosthetic tail and

it was swimming around in the aquarium and Carrie Connick Jr.

and Morgan Freeman were in it and it was like a big, you know, Warner Brothers movie.

And I realized working as a camera production assistant on that movie,

it was my film school, but I realized I did not want anything to do with making movies because it was the closest thing I ever experienced to work in construction.

It was like I was in charge of swapping the camera lenses, the camera batteries, taking the SD cards back to the media truck, getting everybody breakfast and coffee.

And these dudes, these camera department dudes, a lot of them are really cool.

Like the dude Pete Zuccharini, who was the underwater cinematographer who filmed all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, he was fucking awesome.

But a lot of the other guys were like really unhappy, like deeply unhappy because they never saw their families.

They were always on the road, FaceTime, a lot of them on their like third, fourth wives, FaceTiming their kids.

And it was like, you know, they were like carnies with dental plans.

They made great money, but they were fucking deeply unhappy.

So like I realized I didn't want to make movies anymore.

So I started an advertising company and

making commercials.

And I started doing like spec ads and like winning a bunch of contests to make commercials.

I won really one big contest for Land River USA where we made like a free ad and they paid us to make a bunch of other ads for them.

And then that's where concrete came in.

So it was called something else.

And I got sued by some advertising company in California saying, hey, bitch, can't use this name anymore.

Change your name.

So my friend who owns a concrete construction company said, bro, there's this really cool website domain for sale with concrete with a K.

He's like, it's like a couple thousand bucks.

You should buy it.

I was going to buy it.

I'm like, sure, fuck yeah.

Let's do it.

So I called my company Concrete.

Stupid.

And then.

And how'd you start a podcast?

So

after the advertising stuff, I started,

I met a bunch of people.

I met Hulk Hogan in the process of the whole advertising thing because me and Hulk live like five minutes from each other,

which is like five minutes from the Church of Scientology, which is great.

And I started making a bunch of commercials with him because he would always have companies that would hit him up and say, yo, let's partner on this new product.

And one of them was a hosting company called Host of Mania.

They wanted to make Hulk the face of the company.

And we created this whole fucking thing where it was like right when Miley Cyrus dropped a wrecking ball video and we put Hulk on a wrecking ball.

We're like, yo, Hulk, we want to put you on a wrecking ball and have you freaking dropkick Van Dam, who's like the GoDaddy guy, right?

And he's like, fuck yeah, brother, let's do it.

This is it.

It was actually, it was poor execution, but it was funny.

And he's like, brother, there's only one thing missing from this commercial idea.

I'm like, what?

He's like, I need to be in my birthday suit.

I was like, what?

So we did that.

And

Then I started working on a bunch of like show.

This was like the boom of reality shows when like duck dynasty and pawn stars were all taken off so i was like i could probably fucking make a reality show so i hit up a bunch of my friends and we started like uh touring around trying to find people to come up with like tv show ideas and concepts and i got a couple people to invest in a couple tv show ideas pilots that i spent like six years working on and it was this long process of shooting editing taking notes uh from production companies that you know you have to you know how this works but you have to like work with production companies who already have relationships with networks.

And they were like constantly giving us notes, like, okay, change this for AE, change this for Spike TV.

And we got to make sure it fits each network because we were pitching these networks, these show to all these networks.

I was like, okay, great.

So it was just this roller coaster of emotions of like, oh my God, we're going to get, we're going to sell a TV show.

We're going to do a TV show.

And then finally, we got one of those shows to a green light meeting at Spike TV or AE.

And like, I was like, this is it.

We're going to do it.

And the CEO of ICOM killed it because it did not fit their roster of existing advertisers.

And I was just like so frustrated and fed up with it.

I was like, fuck this.

I'm taking all this stuff that I've been working on and I'm gonna repackage them and put them on YouTube.

And I did.

And the first one that really took off, got millions of views in like 2015 was called Deckhands.

And it was the story of these alcoholic dudes, these drunks that were hanging out in front of 7-Eleven in this little sleepy town called Madeira Beach where I'm from.

So me and my buddy Luke went up and we started filming these guys and asking them questions like, yo, what the fuck do you guys do here every day?

And they're like, we're fucking fishermen, bro.

Come see how we live.

And one of these dudes took us back to his boat he lived on.

He had this broken down boat in this old dusty marina where it was, the boat didn't work, but he had, he lived in this boat and it had amplifiers stacked to the ceiling.

He had a stack of porno DVDs like six feet tall, laser light machines, fog machines, and he wore these fairy wings and like an armor helmet.

And he would jam out to like Rob Zombie on his guitar while playing the music videos on this big projection screen in his boat.

And we're like, this is fucking the Twilight Zone, dude.

And then they started telling us more and more about like what they do.

This is it.

Yeah, this is the first episode.

The gates of hell.

This is Shane Lee, R.I.P.

So we're like, we're asking these guys about like, what are you, like, you're fishermen, but like, explain to me, how does this thing, how does this work?

And they were all pissed off about, oh, we're getting screwed by the boat owners and these IFQs and we don't make any money.

And, you know,

we're like, dude, there might be a story here.

So we started interviewing more people.

We eventually interviewed the people who own the boats and own the fish houses.

So like Madeira Beach is the

Johns Pass, Florida is the grouper capital of the world.

There's more grouper caught there than anywhere in the world.

And

the way it works is before 2007,

there was a quota system where it was like, for a red snapper, it was like 3 million pounds per year are allowed to be caught in this area, right?

So it was like derby fishing.

So all the boats would go out and they would catch as much fish as they possibly could and they would wait when they get back from their trip and then they would, you know, quantify that or, you know, tell the federal government, this is where we're at.

And sometimes they would reach that 3 million pound limit in like October.

So what do they have to do for the rest of the year?

They stop fishing.

They can't do anything.

So in 2007, the federal government made a monopoly where they gave boat owners

an allotment of fishing quota per year.

So some guys got 100,000 pounds, some guys got 200,000 pounds, which is if it's red snapper, that's a dollar a pound.

So that's like the best retirement plan known to man.

The federal government is handing you 200,000 pounds of red snapper quota per year.

And

then what happened was eventually the boat owners sold off their quota.

And now it's become so discombobulated where now like you can just buy this fishing quota and trade it like stock.

You don't have to own a boat.

You don't have to be a fisherman.

You can just be

some dude sitting in Manhattan in a high-rise and buying and selling fishing quota.

You're not, and there's, there are like fishing communities in America, like in the Northeast, where it doesn't work like that, where you have to have your hand on the throttle.

You have to take care of your people.

And it's a lifestyle and it's like a way to live.

It's a culture.

And where in Madeira Beach, at least when I was there filming, it was they were all just like

carny ride operators, you know?

And these dudes were, and the lowest level of this, of this.

fishing industry are those deckhands, those dudes like Shane Lee.

And they're fucking drug addicts.

A lot of them are hooked on heroin.

What happens is they get home from fishing from 10 days of fishing offshore and they get like $4,000 or $5,000 and they blow it on prostitutes and Coke and hookers and heroin.

And they just play.

They're kids, dude.

They're like kids.

They're like kids with money.

And

by the time they run out, they have to go fishing again.

So they're going to all the fish houses saying, bro, let me go, let me go.

So they go offshore again and they see hab where they rehab at sea for 10 days because they have no more drugs.

Wow.

And they come back and then rinse and repeat.

And one of the, one of the people

that we interviewed, there was three main characters in that series.

There was Shane Lee, there was Space, and then there was Hollywood Kim.

And Hollywood Kim was the last episode, which was sometimes when I think I have problems in my life, I remember her story and realize I don't really know what fucking problems are.

She was from Alabama, and when she was 17 years old, she gave birth to her father's son.

Oh, God.

And when she was six years old, she would wake up every morning and ride her bike to the beach to try to escape her dad.

And no one would believe her.

Jesus Christ.

She tried telling people.

And no one would believe her because her dad was a cop.

Oh, God.

So she eventually gave birth to her son

and escaped to Florida.

and became a deckhand working fishing and working on these boats, dude.

And she was just, I met her and she would wake up every morning and just start slamming vodka and looking for drugs.

And, dude, it was just the Twilight Zone in my own backyard.

Wow.

It was nuts.

And then that led to like podcasts.

Like, so after that, then we're just like, no, let's start doing podcasts in between these documentaries, you know, more content.

And the podcast started to get more views than the documentaries.

And here we are.

Well, I'm glad it happened.

You got a great show, man.

Thanks, bro.

And I appreciate you coming on here, man.

It was a lot of fun.

Thank you.

Let's do it again, for sure.

Hell yeah, bro.

Danny Jones show is on YouTube.

Are you on Spotify as well?

Yeah, yeah, YouTube Spotify.

It's just at Danny Jones on YouTube.

All right.

And same with Instagram.

It's an awesome show.

That's it, man.

Lots of fun stuff on there.

All right.

Thanks, brother.

Thank you.

Bye, everybody.