#2209 - Paul Rosolie

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What could possibly be different than the way when you walked in here? I have no idea. Dude, I i'll tell you what it's so much fun walking in here and not be like ready to throw up out of nerves the first time i walked out of here and i went holy shit i was actually nervous i don't get nervous but the first time i was not nervous now though no good no no perfect no it's good to see you again good to see you every time i see'm glad he's still alive.
It's like, where you live is so crazy. Let me tell you, man.
I don't understand why you continue to do it, but I guess you love it. I have to do it.
There's nothing else I can do at this point. How long do you think you're going to stay out there for? Until the mission's complete.
Until the mission's complete. I mean, my whole life has been based around one goal.
It's been protecting this river. So, and this year we've just been experiencing miracles.
What's happened in the last few months has been life changing on a level that, that like, I didn't understand these things could happen when Lex came down and everything that happened. We didn't think you, you go out and you don't think that, that miraculous things are going to happen.
And there's been there's just been there's just we've actually been making strides towards notching winds in protecting this river, saving the Amazon.

It's wild.

So is it because you become more high profile?

You've got more support.

Like what has been the change?

Well, I mean, coming on here helped a lot.

I mean, first of all, just coming over here, like three different people stopped me in the airport and were like, are you that guy from Joe Rogan?

And I was like, are you serious? Like, I'm over there. Like, I'm not used to this.
I live in the jungle, so I don't know. And then I come back here and then people are like, dude, I know you.
You're the jungle guy. And I'm like, oh, shit.
That's new for me. Um, but so really the, the thing that happened recently was that, you know, so I went on Lex's

show a year and a half ago and he said i'm gonna come down to the amazon which everybody says you went on lex's show but lex actually went on your show you can say that in the amazon and to see lex with his suit his customary suit on with how hot was it it was hot if you watch that carefully you can see him yeah he looks glistening i was doing fine but uh we like we both like covered ourselves in bug spray and we were we just we sat down and we said okay we're just gonna try it out and if it doesn't work it doesn't work it's fine but yeah he came like when he said he was coming down i was like yeah you and everybody else everybody says they're gonna come down i didn't think he would actually do it and then how long is the flight? Um, it's not long to get to Lima from New York is eight hours. So from here, it's even shorter.
I'm sure. Wow.
Yeah. It's really not bad.
And he came down for two weeks. The first day that he was, I was like, I want to show you the start of the end of the, of the Amazon rainforest was starts in the Andes mountains.
So we're in the Western edge of the Amazon rainforest. And so you have these glacial peaks up at 17,000 feet.
So I was like, Lex, I want to take you up to 17,000 feet. I want to go from source to river.
And so his first day, he arrived and then we drove five hours, got to the base of this mountain. Then we met up with these dudes that are experts and they brought us up to the glacier where we can't breathe.
Wow. was it was you're driving on roads where where the the you know the the cliff goes down a thousand feet yeah fuck all that i've seen those roads that and and i was i opened the car door to try and goof around with lex to be like oh i'm with lex freeman right now we're in the thing and i look over and i see the wheel go over the fucking edge and skid back on oh it happens all the time so yeah we got out we we we walked we let the car i was like look the car drive and then what we did was we took a rock and i was like yo lex i was like this would be us if if the car flipped and we threw a rock over the edge and this big rock was just spinning like this and i was like man we would be chopped meat by the bottom yeah so we got up to 70 000 feet we saw the the glacier and whenever you bring somebody to the jungle the thing is you don't know some people take to it some people don't some people get to the jungle and like their skin doesn't react well to the bug bites they're overwhelmed by the fact that they're far from everything lex's eyes lit up like i didn't know he had that setting he walked into the jungle and I like this.
He got this grin on his face. Lex is a secret savage.
Yeah. Look at his face.
He wasn't fucking around. Yeah, he could live out there.
Yeah. And if you notice, he came to the Amazon and he looked like Lex in his profile picture.
And when he left the Amazon, he looked totally different. And that process is what happened.
He said, you know, he's like, I'm coming down. He's like, I want to do what you guys do.
I want to go on like a deep expedition. And so me and JJ, who's the guy I work with down there, the local indigenous SAHU native, who, who is the reason that I do the work I do.
I support his work. And so we said, okay, what are we going to do? Let's find the wildest place we can think of.
Let's's go way up our river so we're ready like two if you take a boat from town it's two days deep into the jungle to get there by river we said let's go five more hours up river leave the boat and then we're gonna go from our river up to this other tributary and it's like 20 miles we're like 20 20 miles right fuck it's had our backpacks, machetes. We get off the boat.
And Lex is all good to go. The first five minutes we're out there, JJ machetes a branch that has wasps.
Oh, God. His whole head and neck gets surrounded by wasps.
He gets 30 stings on them. He runs.
And so right away, we're like, oh, God, here we go. We had to use a stick to get his hat out from under where the wasps were attacking.
We hike all day. And here's the thing.
You think it's the rainforest. There's going to be water everywhere.
There's no water. So picture being in the sauna for eight hours straight and then no re-up on water.
We drank all of our water thinking we're going to find a stream. We didn't find a stream.
We camped that night, like dry camp, nothing. Fell asleep, woke asleep woke up we're like we got to find water and at this point lex is how do you find water well i mean there should just be streams right this this section were there that you just didn't run into or it's like it was a weird section of forest and and this is integral to the whole story was that this part of the forest unlike where we are which is very very flat and there's all these like little streams.
They're clear. This came in an anaconda in them, but they're clear.
And the jungle works like the roots work, like a huge filtering system. So you can drink that water right out of the streams where we were, it was up and down, up and down, up and down.
And so that's why we're sweating all day. We can't, we didn't have water.
We start going the next day, no water. And Lex starts looking at me and he's like, dude, we...
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And so right at the time, I remember we stopped for lunch, lunch, we stopped to eat the last food we have. And we're, the problem that we were doing was I had a compass and we were getting to the top of these hills.
And you know, when you look on the ocean floor and the, the, the sand makes like those geometric ripples and there's like, there's a pattern to it. And so we were coming to the top of a ridgeline and we were like, we don't want to go down again.
And we don't want to hike up again. So we're staying on the ridgelines.
And what that was doing was taking us a 30-degree tick to the, I think it was to the west. But what that was doing, though, was taking us about another 20 miles off course.
So we had to hit the river here, but we were going to hit over there. Oh, no.
So we had to correct for course. We stopped.
We were eating the last of the food we have. We drank water out of a puddle.
I have a video, and we're going to release all this. Do you have a filtration system? We went with nothing.
We had our tents and our machetes. Jesus Christ.
And I have a video of Lex, and he's looking at this puddle. Why don't you bring a SteriPen or something uh cuz I do everything with the local guys and they were just like oh it'll be fine There'll be water and we just we didn't anticipate this happening and I I Lex was crouched by this water by this puddle with his backpack on and he's like looking at the water And he looks at me and he goes I'm gonna drink it and I said do not drink that I was like, please don fucking drink that and he goes i'm gonna drink it he goes i don't care about anything else on earth right now except for water and i was like please don't drink it jardi is no joke nope we stopped for lunch we did he drink it he did not drink it wow no he you know i mean we didn't want because now we're going if we get sick we have no sat no communication in the outside world.
We're at least 30 miles from the nearest river, let alone help.

Right.

That's a hundred miles away.

Deep in the Amazon and the feeling of deep jungle, that feeling of wilderness.

I know like, you know, when you're like elk hunting, I'm sure you know this when you're

out there and you get that feeling like this is, this is out there.

Yeah.

Uncaring.

Uncaring.

Yeah. You start like the ocean where it's like, it doesn't matter.
It's very lonely. Even when you're with people, it starts to press on you.
We started getting quiet. Like we weren't having like an awesome time.
We were, we were feeling it. And so we ate like some nuts and we had nothing to wash it down with.
So we're just chewing on it and we got up and then we took a few steps and all of a sudden everything changed. We came out onto a road and it's a logging road.
And JJ's face fell. I was heartbroken.
Lex looked confused. What we realized was in this ancient patch of forest, the progression of the metastasizing destruction that's moving through the Amazon forest comes in roads.
This road, somebody had just cut a road and they hadn't cut the ancient mahogany trees and they hadn't cut the ironwood trees and the wildlife was in touch, but there's a road. So they're coming.
We used the road, we hiked out, we reached water. And this is amazing when we reached water because we just plunged into this river.
We were drinking. We did have some iodine tablets.
We put that in our water bottles. We drank as much as we wanted to.
And then we had to raft for an entire day back to the place where we got picked up. But what happened was that now we know, and this is on our river, this is where we're trying to create this corridor with jungle keepers.
And now we know that some of the most ancient forest on earth is about to be destroyed. And we get back to our

base, to our research station. And it just so happens that there was a client there and he was

staying in the, that tree house, the Alta Sanctuary tree house. And we tell him this whole story and

we're drinking and we're eating and we're, you know, we're all sunburned and bug bitten and

dehydrated and our cheeks are stuck to our skulls. And we tell him this whole story and we go,

it's going to be brutal watching this, you know, dismant he goes well i want to help he goes find out how we get that land and it hadn't really occurred to me that we could do anything about it and this dude this guy's name is jay and he said uh he goes i'll i'll start you off he goes whatever the land costs i you 150 grand, do a fundraiser, put it public and try and get matching donations and talk to the loggers. So while we set up the fundraiser, JJ, local, called up his friends who happened to own that land.
His friends don't want the land. They're contracting it to loggers to get the trees out to make some money so they could just sell it off.
We put it up on Instagram. We raised $150,000 in 48 hours, talked to the loggers, bought the land.
And then the craziest part is that when we went there, we physically, with all the directors of drone keepers, we went to the land and the Peruvians, the Peruvian directors sat down with the loggers and they were like, look, we own this land now. It's for conservation.
We're going to save this forest. And the loggers went, that's fine, but can we still work here? And we went, what? And they said, we do this because we love it.
And we went, what? They said, yeah, can we just be rangers? Like we see you have rangers. Can we be rangers? And we were like, yeah, you can be rangers.
Yeah, you can be rangers. These dudes are over here destroying the thing they love because they have no other opportunity.
Right. So the fact that this is that we now have this global network of people that care.
The local people in the Amazon rainforest are trying to protect the Amazon. And now we have all these people all over the world because of stuff like this, because of all the work that we've been doing, that people know that they just, you know, we have people that give $5, $10, $100 a month.
We have this huge network of donors and now we're able to get those wins. We see a threatened patch of forest, boom, we grab it.
Hire the loggers as rangers, everybody wins and we're saving forest. This year, since the last time I saw you, we went from 55,000 acres to almost 100,000 acres.
That's one third of the way to protecting the 300,000 acres that we have to protect. So we're one-third of the way through the goal.
Wow. That's all been happening in the last month and a half.
That's incredible. Miracles.
So when you're navigating, you're not using GPS, you're just using a compass? Yeah. Why? Commitment.
What? Because, look, so I actually—'t you want the best tools for the job? I agree with you. And if you're in a really...
So when we go out to really remote places when you just cannot fuck around, yes, we do bring like a Garmin GPS and we have the map. Well, that sounds like you cannot fuck around if you guys are without water for two days.
We thought we were going to go in the forest and go on a walk. 20 miles, a 20 mile hike is nothing.

We do that every day.

We did not, the reason this forest hadn't been cut

was because it was up and down and up and down

and denser than all the other forests

because it's fucking ancient.

And so we discovered it and how hard it was

and that's where I'm going, holy shit,

we brought Lex Friedman out here.

And he's going to die.

And he's going to die.

Of dehydration.

And he was looking at me.

I mean, there were so many times during the trip where he looked at me.

And you could just tell he was like, fuck you, dude.

Just fuck you, man.

How do you find water?

You just stumble upon it?

I mean, from our base, you walk five minutes back into the jungle.

And there's a beautiful, clear stream.

And I drink straight out of the stream.

No problem.

Now, I wouldn't.

For someone that comes to the jungle, I wouldn't say just start doing that.

I'd say, like, take a sip the first day.

See how your stomach goes. I've been down there 20 years, so I'm fine.
So is it just your gut bacteria changes? Is that what it is? I mean, some people, you take them, you know, you go to Italy and they get sick, you know. But, like, you know, it's like people.
Fragile folk. Fragile folk.
You know, sunscreen and bug spray. but we

somebody said that too

because I posted a video of me

drinking like monkey head soup and coffee out of a bowl what monkey head soup we went with the locals before everybody all the PETA people freak out I don't care freak out when you live with the locals when in Rome right you know if you go to someone's house and local, they eat monkeys. And so we were on a beach and some of the local guys hunted monkeys.
And so we woke up in the morning and they heated up the food. And what we had was bowl coffee because we didn't bring cups.
We're on a canoe, right? You cut your toothbrush in half to save weight. And so I posted it and I was like, here's, because everybody messages me going, you know, how do I get your job? job and i was like here's one reason why you fucking don't want my job and think you do monkey head monkey head soup and uh what does monkey head soup taste like exactly what you think at the same time it's not as bad as you think monkey tastes like monkeys though right they love monkeys part of the conservation strategy is just like you know just just like we have deer tags to make sure that there's continually deer.
For local indigenous communities, they want to keep eating monkeys. They love monkeys.
Yeah. So they want to keep the monkey population manageable? Is that the idea? And they want to eat them.
Eventually, yes. And so I would say it's kind of colonialist conservation to come in there and go, well, you can't eat monkeys because we think you can't.
But then like you go trout fishing and deer hunting. That doesn't make any sense.
Right. But it's like monkeys are too closely related to us.
It's like the people that this one thing that I've noticed people that get upset about hunting don't necessarily get upset about fishing or don't get upset about a piece of fish. Like if you put a plate of salmon.
Yeah. You know, like, oh, this is my lunch today.
Everybody's like, oh, that's healthy. Salmon.
Yeah, but if you have a picture of a salmon, people get a little upset. But if you have, like, a steak, people don't get too upset.
But if you have, like, a dead deer, people get very upset. And forget, yeah.
I mean, it's very weird. Disconnected.
I think yesterday, sometime this week, I posted a video. We were video we were out and i was with again some macha ganga natives and we caught a yellow catfish and their daughter who's three three and a half years old now you're out somewhere where there's no refrigeration you have a two-hour boat ride back what do you do you put the fish in the bottom of the boat with a little bit of water and you let it stay alive right just enough to keep its gills going until you get back because if you kill it as soon as you catch it it'll go back yeah and so this girl picked up the scent the the the fish and she's and she's hugging it you the comments on this the vegans went crazy people like i'm unfollowing you that's disgusting this girl's excited because she's going to eat she lives out in the jungle eating nothing but rice and yucca like Like if she didn't get that fish, she's going to get malnutrition.
Yeah, well, people are just so accustomed to supermarkets. They're so delusional about where your food comes from.
It's a fascinating thing. And vegans are probably the worst at it because if they really, on the ground level, understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food, they would be horrified.
They'd be horrified at industrial pesticides and herbicides and all the shit that we put in the soil and how many small animals get murdered in the process. Well, you got to clear space for a farm, right? You not only have to clear space, you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and anything that's in the way anything that's going to eat your crops well in the in the jungle that's what they're doing they're all this burning all this amazon fires shit that goes on is every year is people coming in and 60 of it is for beef but the other percent of it is for papaya and corn and cacao i see a lot of stuff where they're like oh sustainable

cacao from the amazon i'm like how is it sustainable cacao from the amazon you cut down

an ecosystem and trees that have thousands of species living on them right it's not and so

sustainable sustainable is one of those words like organic people like to throw it around

on the package i mean that's like uh that that a peel stuff they call that organic you know that

you know what that is no it's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it

Thank you. the package i mean that's like uh that a peel stuff they call that organic you know that you know what that is no it's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it from going bad the wax well it's some weird sub what what's the ingredients of a peel so like part of it is quote unquote organic but they don't tell you what the actual ingredients are a peel is a plant-based coating that's applied to fruits and vegetables to help them stay fresh longer.
Seems normal, right? Like, yeah, it's plant-based. But what's in there? It's commonly found on organic apples, but you're supposed to wash it off with soap and water.
Like, we were reading that if you have an avocado, so we were in elk camp and we were reading about this stuff because we had Starlink. Starlink is fucking amazing.
That's how we do it. Dude, it's like the size of this cigar box.
I know. And you put it down on the ground and you get fucking high-speed internet in the middle of nowhere.
So we were reading that they were saying that to take it off of avocados, you dunk the avocado in boiling water for 10 seconds and then rinse it off. What are you talking about? What's in this stuff? Also, nobody knows that.
I don't know that. Right.
So I come up here, I'm eating that shit? Exactly. Most people are just going to eat the apple.
They're not going to wash it off with soap and water. But the thing is, like, they're saying it's plant-based and organic.
That's that's a thing like sustainable these words that people use that make you feel okay about what's going on but i mean i don't even know what the fuck is in there brush a brush scrub it do you scrub your apples video what the fuck are you talking about why are you putting something on the apple that i need to scrub this says only you can only remove it 100% by peeling it off. Oh, my God.
But I don't know. Of an apple? Because the apple's like, you want to eat this.
Click on that, how to wash, remove, appeal coating, vegetable coating. Let's see if we can watch a video.
It'll show us how to do it. Let's see.
Which one do you want to pick? Let's go with the first one. That lady, she's, so she's peeling it.
Peeling it, yeah. Why do you peel produce? But isn't a lot of the nutrients in the skin.
Let's see the next slide. Wax and peel.
So this is different, though. This is wax.
Yeah. This is, that's carnauba wax.
That's like normal. But a peel is a new product.
And it's one of those, Yeah, okay. Let's see what this lady has to talk about.

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Keep going. Yeah, why would there be human trials on something that people eat? And it's all over supermarkets.
But there's a lot of stuff coming out right now about the safety of our food. Oh, yeah.
I keep hearing about this. It keeps showing up.
Yeah. Well, there was a big hearing in front of the Senate that Brigham Bueller, who was on yesterday, he was talking about it, you know, in front of all these representatives.
And they're trying to explain what the system is and how fucked it is and how there's most of these European countries and Canada. There's a lot of ingredients, particularly dyes, that we know, he was talking about how Lucky Charms that you buy in America, you can't sell it in Canada.
They have to sell a completely different Lucky Charms in Canada because Canada doesn't allow all these dyes because they're toxic. Oh, this is the super bright color thing.
Yeah. Those are toxic dyes, and we allow them because we want people to, and there's also a bunch of other ingredients that make the food more addictive Those are in our food supplies and some of them are illegal in other countries It's not good And there's it seems like the way he was describing it.
It's like the FDA is just completely overwhelmed and they You know and then there's companies are just pushing this stuff through and it's it's kind of like the way we described it yesterday it's like a hoarder's house like how do you clean this up like you get into a hoarder's house you're like oh god yeah where do we where do we fucking start that's what our food system's like our food system is like a hoarder's house well i heard that guy i don't remember his name there's he was like he's a venture capitalist in the last week um you guys were talking about um he was saying that like when he abroad, he can eat whatever he wants. And then when he comes back to the US, he puts on weight.
Yes. That was Chamath.
Yeah. Yeah.
That was a great one. He was incredibly intelligent.
And then I was looking up, something else popped up where they were saying that the bread in Subway sandwiches is considered cake in Europe. Yeah.
Because of the sugar content. Yeah, some countries consider it cake because it's it's mostly it's like it's fucking cake It's not really it's bullshit.
Yeah, we have bullshit food and you know I don't eat most that stuff, but if you do you're gonna be really unhealthy and most people aren't educated You know, it took me a long time to understand this stuff and mostly I mean I mean, I tried to eat healthy before that, but mostly through the podcast and talking to people, getting an understanding of how bad this stuff really is for you. And then experimenting with diet and watching how much better my body felt and seeing my friends who don't do it.
And they just look like hell. And you're mostly carnivore now? Yeah.
Yeah. Mostly fruits and mostly meat and fruits.
Yeah. I mean, I hardly eat any vegetables at all.
But I don't avoid them. Like, if I go out to dinner and I want to have a Caesar salad or something, I'll eat it.
It doesn't seem to bother me. But what does seem to bother me is pasta.
Pasta and breads really hit home. They really wreck me.
But not in Europe. Went to Italy last summer, had pasta, had pizza, no problem at all.
I don't understand why. There's a bunch of things that we do.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
explained a lot of it. So did Gary Brecca.
He explained a lot of it. One of them is enriched flour.
What's so-called enriched flour. It contains a bunch of chemicals like folic acid and a bunch of shit your body has a hard time digesting.
It's also, they use heirloom wheat in Italy and heirloom wheat is the original wheat. What we did was we changed wheat to make higher yield so that a smaller piece of land, you can get more wheat out of it.
So because of that, it has more complex glutens, makes it more difficult for your body to process. And on top of that the big one may be this is a lot there's a lot of speculation about this but there's there's some serious evidence that most people who eat the common American diet it's what was it the number of the people that had roundup in their system so glyphosate what yeah glyphosate is a really powerful pesticide that they spray on all kinds of different plants.
And I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of people tested had glyphosate in their system. Roundup.
Yeah. So stuff you spray to just kill everything.
Exactly. And it's illegal in some countries and should be illegal in America.
But the problem is if you make it illegal, how are these monocrop agriculture companies going to function? Okay, it's 80%. 87% of children.
87% of children. So this is 2022.
I would imagine this goes up every year. 80% of Americans have Roundup in their urine.
That is so crazy. That's so dangerous.
That's terrifying. And it's also fairly new in terms of human history.
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It's fucking dangerous, man, because we're rolling the dice. A lot of the stuff that people eat causes long-term health consequences.
And so when you're dealing with short-term stuff, like stuff that's only been around for five, six years,

it takes a long time before you figure out what's happening.

So 74, Roundup, which contains active ingredients glyphosate, was first introduced to commercial agriculture in 74.

So scroll down so we can see when it ramps up.

So 74, okay, wasn't widely used until 96. That's what I read So Monsanto began selling genetically modified seeds that were resistant to Roundup This allowed farmers to spray their entire crop beds with Roundup without risking losing their crop It's an herbicide, right? Yeah, okay.
Not a pesticide an an herbicide but it's fucking terrible for you terrible and 80 of people have it in their blood roundup microplastics ddt yeah and then in the and then what was i think it was during the gold rush times that everybody was using lead to to to replug cans after they opened them and then you know thousands of people died from lead poison before they figured it out Shane Gillis has a great joke about George Washington. George Washington's dentures were made out of lead That's why George Washington was such a fucking psycho Poisoning he wasn't brave.
He was just insane I read that when they were talking about the amount of plastic that people find like in most men have plastic in their sperm, plastic in their testicles, men have plastic in their sperm, plastic

in their testicles. You have

plastic in your brain. And a lot of that plastic

is the plastic

that's derived from PVC.

So it's coming from water pipes.

I thought our water pipes are metal.

Some water pipes are metal.

But when I used to do construction, we did a lot of

houses where they used PVC pipes.

A lot of

PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks

and stuff. So all that stuff

I love you. When I used to do construction, we did a lot of houses where they used PVC pipes.
A lot of PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks and stuff. So all that stuff, when water's going through that, you're picking up these little particles of plastic.
And those little particles of plastic, you cook your food in it, you drink a glass of water from the tap. All that stuff is getting you plastic.
And then there's cooking in microwave. You know, if you have one of those things things you lift up and you have a piece of plastic over the lid and you cook microwave of that and it's in a plastic bowl that's all fucking getting into your body that's all getting in your blood well i i scared myself with that because we had plastic cups on an expedition and we boiled coffee and then i poured it into the plastic cup and i was like oh it's like we gotta stop doing this so we started bringing like metal and glass cups on on expeditions obviously they make stuff for campers that you can get you know and that's why we switched these steel cups here we used to just go through so many bottles of water i was like this is fucked so we bought a filtration system and you know and started using steel cups but it's like our this whole thing in america one One of the things we talked about yesterday with Brigham is the Make America Healthy Again movement, which is Robert Kennedy Jr.
and a bunch of other folks that are involved in this. And it's exciting that this is gaining steam because people are concerned about their health and they are concerned about all the different chemicals that are in your fucking food.
But the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing ideology. So people are calling people that are interested in that far-right people.
If you're worried about food safety? Yeah, it's nuts, man. But it's just because it's attached to Trump.
It's because the Trump administration, you know, make America great again and also make America healthy again with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's involved in that.
So people are just labeling that as some sort of alt-right fuckery and woo-woo bullshit. And it's not.
It's fucking dangerous for all of us. We really need to wake up.
Isn't it also true, though, that in America, at least, like, the poorest people are usually the ones with the worst diets? Absolutely. So, I mean, like, you've naturally progressed towards going, okay, so I eat elk and I eat vegetables and I care about where I get my stuff from, but people that aren't able to make that decision, that would seem to me, there's certain things where you go, shouldn't we all agree on this? Yeah.
You know, food safety, shouldn't we just all agree with this? I don't understand how that becomes political. When it comes to nature conservation, I never understood how that, you know, I never understood how that you know I'm like can be solved and this is what's fucked it's like we have so much money to solve other countries problems and we don't have any money to solve our own health problems that's very strange it's it's very short-sighted and very bizarre and we need to do something about it when we need to do something about it now.
It's really scary when you think that if this unchecked happens,

these corporations will continue to sell you things that are very bad for you if they're profitable, as long as they're not penalized for you.

And I guarantee you those people that know that,

the people that are important, they probably don't eat any of that shit.

Well, it's like Steve Jobs.

I don't know if it's true.

I heard that Steve Jobs wouldn't give his kids screens.

Yeah.

They know.

I mean, when you go to restaurants, you see little kids with an iPad sitting on a tray

just standing there so their parents can have a conversation.

The kid's just, like, hypnotized by some fucking cartoon.

Kids are swiping before they're talking.

They know this motion.

Oh, yeah.

They got that finger out.

Yeah, they try to do it to magazines. You ever see a little kid try to do that? Yo, I saw a kid try to expand a magazine.
I think I did that once. I was just hanging out with a baby, and I was like, look at this picture, and I was showing him a book, and he put his hands on it, and he went, what? And I was like, no, it doesn't work like that.
I think I almost did that once. I think I looked at a magazine, and I brought my hand up, and I'm like, what the fuck are are you doing? Yeah.
My thing is the worst thing that I've done recently is I didn't have, I, you know, I start doing activities without my phone on me. And I like, I went for a run and I saw something cool and I was like, Oh, I need to take a picture of that.
And I was like, how just, I, the, the idea that I couldn't take a picture of something. Right.
Had become something that I forgot about. Right.
I take a picture of everything. I probably take 400 pictures a day.
I'm like I like that logo bang I like that street bang like it's cool to be able to do it But now we're also inundated with images All over the world and a lot of them are horrific events Which is the things that people are trying to capture the most So it's like every day, like what's going on today? Like there's right now Iran is bombing Israel. So there's missiles.
Do you know about this? Nope. It's fucking terrifying, dude.
It's on like Donkey Kong right now. See if you can get some of the footage.
Iran is launching hundreds of missiles at Israel. And there was a mass shooting, some sort of a terror attack in Tel Aviv today as well.
So there's some sort of coordinated attack on Israel. Obviously, Israel just did that stuff with Hezbollah where they blew up the pagers and blew up walkie-talkies and killed a bunch of people and then shot a bunch of bombs into Lebanon.
And it's's all getting it's all getting very very scary it's all ramping up in a fucking terrifying way but this video it also shows that the iron dome you know israel's famous uh missile defense system it doesn't seem to be catching all of them i mean if you have enough launched your way at the same time some of them are going to sneak through so So this is what it looks like right now. It's fucking crazy.
These are all missiles, man, flying at Israel. Jeez.
Yeah, it's fucking terrifying. And the Iron Dome...
This isn't even the best video. The video that I was seeing was them impacting.
And the Iron Dome is basically a system to shoot them out of the sky. Yes.
So this is where you see the Iron Dome is working. So when they blow up, that's the Iron Dome.
So what it is, is they find the trajectory of these missiles, the ones that are going to open area, they let them slip through because it's not going to harm anything. And then like those, those are hitting down.
But the ones that are going into the city area they shoot down and You know, I'm I don't know how Many missiles they have to do this. I mean you'd have to have fucking thousands on standby Because if they just launch enough at you, you're not gonna have enough missiles It's like it's a launched 180 ballistic missiles Wow Wow.
Can you imagine being in a city and you see 180 missiles coming at you?

I don't know how people live continuously in areas where there's war zones like i know like my friend matt gutman from abc news like he works there and i've seen him running through the streets and doing that hard-hitting stuff but there's also just people getting their groceries yeah they're like yeah man this happens every happens every day Like I have friends who live in Israel human beings are very adaptable unfortunately

well fortunately because that's why we're still here yeah, but

Unfortunately, we get accustomed to some pretty horrific conditions and that's that's what people are accustomed to I mean imagine living in Gaza

imagine that you you were living in a place where

Literally a year ago today. It was fine.
It was it was it was normal yeah and then now it's rubble and there's tens of thousands of people dead and that's an example of what you're saying about seeing these images all the time i had i remember when that popped off and i'm a big believer in you you pick one thing that for most people unless you're you know elon or somebody that can have a bunch of different things going on but for most of us you got to live your life and you got to pick one thing that for most people, unless you're Elon or somebody that can have a bunch of different things going on. But for most of us, you've got to live your life and you've got to pick one thing that you can help from a lot of people.
That's your family. For me, I've dedicated myself to protecting the Amazon.
When it comes to everything else, like when I start opening my phone, I remember this. I was at my friend's house and it was 7 o'clock in the morning.
And I opened my phone and it was a picture of a guy lifting his dead baby with a crushed skull and I threw my phone across the room and it ruined my whole day and how like I it's it's absolutely horrific and I have become become a person that really shields myself from a lot of what's going on because the hysteria levels right now. I don't think like even World War II times, like, okay, Pearl Harbor just hit off and people are like, wow, this is crazy.
But I don't think you were inundated with it all day long. You read the newspaper, you talked to a few people and then you're like, all right, well, cool.
I got to go get Johnny from school and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right.
You didn't see it on your phone 24 seven all day long. Israel's popping off.
The South is getting flooded. The Amazon's burning.
Everything is happening all at once, and it's all coming through on the screen. So it says Iran launches a missile attack on Israel, but Israeli military says no casualties reported.
So I guess that was the thing that we're saying, that the Iron Dome, when they know that something's going to go to an open area where there's no one there, they don't even bother wasting a missile on that. A U.S.
defense official said the United States intercepted some of the missiles to help defend Israel. So we're over there too doing that.
The IDF is doing and will do everything necessary to protect the civilians of the state of Israel. The Israeli military said in a statement warning people in the country to stay in shelters.
The explosions you hear originate from interceptions or falls of missiles.

The air defense system detects and intercepts threats all the time. So what happened in Tel Aviv today, Jamie? There was some sort of mass shooting in Tel Aviv that coincided with this, which is really scary.
you know it's like what they experienced on October 7th. Okay, fucking ads.
At least eight dead and suspected terror attack shooting in Tel Aviv. So they even, oh, so Jesus Christ.
Scroll down to that image. So some dudes just gunning people down.
Scroll up. The deadly ordeal unfolded when two gunmen jumped off a train in the central Israeli city of Jaffa and started firing at just 7 p.m.
local, just after 7 p.m. local time, according to authorities.
Eight killed, at least seven wounded. And, you know, a lot of people, look at that that guy's dead right there a lot of people there are armed too which is fucking crazy civilians yeah just walking on you're seeing hot girls in in in israel like you can see them at a coffee shop with the fucking no with an ar hanging off a rifle sling yeah there's like a bunch bunch of videos them because so many of these people you have mandatory military service in Israel Yeah, that is so all the civilians have to There's no civilians like everyone is at least a former soldier.
You got to be ready, right? Yeah You have to be like I saw shit like that guys walking on the street with machine guns hot girls with machine guns how nuts But that's just the world they live in it's like like... And they're just hanging out.
Yep. There's a baby.
Right. I mean, look, she has, like, cute shoes on.
It's like, at any moment, it could pop off. And so they don't fuck around.
They just stay strapped. They don't just stay strapped.
They stay strapped with fucking weapons of war. Those are no joke.
Yeah, those are no joke. That ain't a six-shooter.
No. She's got a gigantic magazine.
She's probably got spare magazines. Yeah, and she probably knows how to shoot it.
She was in the military. Do you think she knows how to use it? Yeah.
So it's men and women. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, women have to join the Israeli military as well. Look, they're surrounded.
I mean, this is something that's very different. It's very different than us.
Well, I think that one of the problems that

I see with us is I think that people have forgotten, like I grew up with the World War II generation. All my old uncles that I was growing up, Paulie, like, you know, these are guys that had, you know, either stormed beaches in the South Pacific or were in Europe.
And so World War II was fresh on their minds. It was part of the culture I grew up in.
And I think when I look at kids born, you know, 9-11 and down or later, I think we've forgotten the fact that safety is a huge privilege. Oh yeah.
We grow up safe. Like some of the people, the things that they're screaming about or worried about or whatever else, it's like some unity would happen from remembering the fact that that that's, that's a reality.
That we could be in danger. on american soil you know you have pearl harbor which is kind of america you know hawaii should be its own country i mean it doesn't feel like it we own hawaii i mean i guess it's good that hawaii gets the protections of the united states but it's kind of crazy that it's five mile five hours rather by airplane over the ocean in the middle until Until you get to Hawaii, and that's considered America.
But, I mean, I don't know how they feel about it. I'm assuming they'd probably like to have sovereignty.
But the point is, like, that was World War II, so that was Pearl Harbor. That's an attack on American soil.
What's after that? It's 9-11. 9--11.
That's crazy. Like we are so Used to being safe.
Whereas you think of even Russia what Russia went through the losses that Russia went through during World War two Absolutely fucking horrific. Yeah, and they've done that throughout history.
There's been conflicts throughout history in Russia Now you go into any other part of the world I saw something terrible today some fucking workers at the Great Wall of China They didn't want to go the long way around the wall So they broke down a section of the Great Wall of China so they could drive through it Did they have machinery? Did they have sledgeham yeah they were doing fucking construction work out there so they just broke down the great wall jail oh they're gonna get worse than jail china yeah they're gonna turn you in a suitcase that's terrible they'll make you make iphones for 20 years and then they're gonna turn you into a jacket that's terrible it's fucking horrible man it's and it's it's people are just so gross like imagine that mahogany tree that you saw like look at these assholes they broke through the great wall chinese construction workers accused of plowing a hole through the great wall monsters dude this reminds me there was a there was this i hated this story there was a beautiful tree between these two hills i think it was in the uk or ireland i think it was the uk and like a 16 year old went out with a chainsaw and just cut this tree down it was this iconic tree and no one could figure it out for like two days and he just went and cut it down it's just like man just yeah people are gross people are gross and we all people are also very short-sighted and sometimes don't even understand the consequences of what they're doing. They just do things.
You know, I normally I would agree with you. I just think I think the world that I've been living in the past year.
so I've been in in rooms and out in the wild with so many incredible people and I think that more

than ever people I agree we're we're we're moments away from disaster in any given capacity but there's also we're also alive at a time in history where people are more considerate than they've ever been yeah I think so right yeah I think there's just you're gonna get everything right you're gonna get people that are willing to launch missiles at Israel you're gonna get people that are to chop down ancient mahogany trees. And then you get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest.
It's one of the cool things about people because it makes people like you so much more exceptional. It makes people so much more interesting because it's rare.
And then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare. And that's part of the cool thing about people.
I think, and it's a horrible thing to say, but I think it's unfortunately true. You need evil to appreciate good.
You need hate to appreciate love. It's just a part of the way the human mind and our just overall psychology is the way we operate in the world.
It's unfortunate, but it's a part of being a person.

And I think hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love and construction and progress and doing things correct and recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way. Let's do things the right way.
Like organic farming, like people changing their farms to regenerative agricultural farms is coming out of people who are looking at these industrial monocrop agriculture farms and the waste that it produces, which is legal. The waste that it produces in river systems is fucking insane.
There's a guy that we've had on. His name is Will Harris.
And Will is from this farm in Georgia called White Oaks Pastures. It's a regenerative farm.
He got this farm. It's a family-owned farm.
They've had it forever. And it took him years to change this farm from an industrial farm to regenerative agriculture.
but there's a section of the river near his property where his property line

meets his neighbor. So his neighbor has an industrial farm and he has regenerative agriculture.
And you can see it in the river. There's a clear line of differentiation.
Look at that. I'm guessing his is the clear one.
Yes. Shit.
All that stuff.

So most of these farmlands, the topsoil is gone. There's no minerals.
There's no nutrients. There's no nothing.
And so you have to use industrial strength fertilizers. You have to lose all this garbage and bullshit.
And so that stuff, it just sits on the top. and so when the rain comes and when they spray the crops and water the crops the runoff goes right in the river so these poor fish are just getting fucking choked to death on all this shit and then there's the pesticides and the herbicides and whatever the fuck they're spraying and this guy is trying to turn it around He's trying to do the right thing.
That's not Will. Okay.
I don't know who that gentleman is. I think he works at Will.
But he's explaining how bad the situation is that comes off of these other farms. So the left is what the creek is supposed to look like.
The right is what happens. And no consequences.
You should be in trouble for this, right? Like, hey, you can't run your farm this way. Like is this what happens and no consequences you should be in trouble for this

right if you like hey you can't run your farm this way like is this what happens when you run your farm this way stop the farm okay we got to figure out how to do this the right way is there a way to for your water to look like the water's six inches away is there a way well that's the only way you can make farming so in russia organic like they don't even allow genetically modified crops anymore really no no putin is like this is bullshit like this should be illegal when you're a dictator you can do stuff like that but but that but that's a that's a fundamental thing you know if you go to to a building with a sledgehammer or to the great wall of china and you start messing with it you're going to get in trouble yes and Yes. And it seems like you can cut down forests, pollute the rivers, dump shit in the ocean, and for the most part, it's okay.
Yeah. No one's really going to come after you.
And we can do a lot less of that, too, if we ... There's another issue.
Commoditizing hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper.
Let's Google in America how many acres of trees are cut down every year for paper. So the demonization of the recreational drug cannabis came entirely from hemp the commodity.
It wasn't about the drug being bad. No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years.
It's one of the safest drugs in terms of risk profile. The LD50 of marijuana is nuts.
What's the LD50? LD50 is lethal dose at 50%. Can you lethal dose yourself with marijuana? I used to have a joke about it.
The only way you die from marijuana is if they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug plane and it hits you in the head. You can do stupid things that could wind up getting killed.
You can abuse everything, right? You certainly abuse marijuana. And by the way, I want to say marijuana is not totally safe.
Everybody thinks it's totally safe. No, it's not.
There's certain people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia and high-dose marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenic breaks in people. Alex Berenson wrote a book about it.
It's called Tell Your Children, and I agree with him. I've met people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana.
40% of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper. This is expected to reach 50% in the near future.
U.S. uses approximately 68 million trees each year to produce paper and paper products.
Worldwide consumption of paper has risen by 400% in the last 40 years, with 35% of the harvested trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy.
Crazy. And you're saying hemp could grow faster, kind of like bamboo could grow faster.
That's actually renewable. Like that term that people like to throw around, renewable, that's actually renewable.
It grows like a weed because it kind of is a weed. My friend Todd used to have like a stalk of a mature hemp plant on his desk.

And it's about this thick around.

Like if that was a piece of oak, it would be really heavy.

But it's hard like this table, which is oak, but it's light.

A hemp plant.

Like styrofoam.

It's light like balsa wood.

Like balsa, yeah.

But it's hard.

So it has incredible power like in its fibers.

Its fibers are extremely unusual. So they make the most durable clothing, like canvas.
The word canvas comes from cannabis. But is this weed itself? No.
If you have a weed plant, it's not the same thing. No, well, you can.
It's the same thing. But you can also grow strains of it that are not psychoactive at all.
It's just a similar, same family. So they weren't growing it as a commodity for drug consumption.
They were growing it to make paper. See, this is what happened.
I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of marijuana road. What happened is in the 1930s, they invented a machine called the decorticator.
And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily and quickly.

So when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin, now all of a sudden, cotton became a very easy cloth to use.

And people started wearing cotton ubiquitously, right?

Well, what they used to use was hemp because hemp is way more durable.

I mean, crazy difference.

Like I have a hemp jujitsu gi made by Datsusara

and you can't rip this motherfucker.

Like you grab it and I've had one,

one of my gis is like eight years old.

But if I have a cotton gi eight years in,

that shit's torn apart.

So the only thing that goes on those things are the threads. And, i don't even i guess you can make hemp threads i don't even know if they do but the point is it's like far more durable as a paper it's a far superior paper far superior like it's much tougher it's tough to like i've had hemp paper demonstrate to me like it's hard to rip man yeah.
Crazy. It's weird.
It's a fucking alien plant. It really is.
And when they invented this decorticator, well, William Randolph Hearst, who also owned Hearst Publications, who also owned paper mills. And Scientific America had on the cover of their magazine, hemp, the-dollar crop and it's a show decorticator to him

It was all when they invented this thing so the propaganda to stop the industry of hemp from exploding

DuPont came out with the chemical composition for nylon

There was all like you're gonna use nylon for ropes hemp is what they always use for ropes

Hemp's what they use for sales, so that's a decorticator that looks modern one. It doesn't look too complicated either.
Well, it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it and it grinds the shit out of the hemp. And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor.
So slave labor and poor people would have to do all this incredibly back-breaking work to break down the fibers because they're so tough and durable. Well, then they invented this machine.
And once this machine got rolling, they're like, oh, shit, let's start using hemp because it's way better. So all this forest cutting down shit is completely unnecessary.
And it's because a paper guy wanted it. 100%.
And a paper guy in the the 1930s And so he got together with Harry Anslinger and they utilize all these people that they were using to make alcohol illegal the probe Excuse me the prohibitionists during the time where they were going after You know whiskey manufacturers and gin makers and these moonshine people which which is where NASCAR came from, by the way.

NASCAR came out of moonshiners.

Driving quick.

Yeah.

They needed a souped-up car.

So they took those people who were just arresting people all over the country for alcohol,

and then they sicked them on marijuana.

And marijuana was never the term for cannabis.

Marijuana was a slang term for a wild Mexican tobacco, a totally different plant. So William Randolph Hearst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and black guys who are smoking this new drug, marijuana, and raping white women.
And then they fund Reefer Madness, and they fund these movies these propaganda films

all that comes from marijuana cigarettes it all comes from hemp it all comes from the commodity from them having this interest in paper research suggests that hemp is twice as effective as trees at absorbing and locking up carbon so hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world can grow four meters high in 100 days.

So in 100 days...

Four meters high in 100 days.

Yeah, in 100 days. So in 100 days, you have a new crop.
It's the best fucking thing we can grow for paper, which is 40% of all the trees we're chopping down. And it takes forever.
You've ever been to old growth forests in the Pacific Northwest where they do logging? No. Well, you've been to the Amazon.
You've seen the worst slash and burn art. But the point is if you go to these cut places, these places where they cut the trees, they grow new trees.
They plant new trees there. But it takes forever.
It takes 20 years. How old is a sequoia tree? How old is a redwood? Hundreds of years.
Thousands of years. I see those pictures.
I can't remember this dude's name. He takes a picture with the trees before.
The loggers come through. And I mean, trees, you know, double the size of this room.
And then he has this picture with the tree after. And it's fucking heartbreaking.
It's a horrible thing, man. It's horrible that we can just walk up to something that's a thousand years old and make a fucking basket out of it.
Like this is unnecessary. It's totally unnecessary.
Yep. And it could, well, it can all be mitigated.
This can all be mitigated. All of it can, you know, the real problem is hardwoods, you know, hardwoods are very, very valuable and people like them and, you know, and they're protected in some places and not others.
Like in California, if you have Oak oak trees you can't chop them down unless you get a permit like we had a tree that was about to fall on our house it's like it's like it's on the way go and you know california the earth tends to shake a little bit a little bit things go sideways and your fucking house gets crushed by a tree but you know you have to there's we have to figure out how our desire for hardwood, like the source of that hardwood. If your desire for a beautiful, you know, mahogany table, they're beautiful, gorgeous.
Look at your desk. Amazing.
But if you could go to the Amazon and see that someone chopped down a tree that you were describing, that massive tree that people had probably hadn't seen in a hundred years or whatever? Maybe ever. Who knows? Some of these trees are 1,200 years old.
Maybe there's no one else dumb enough to walk through that place with no water. We might have been the first people to ever see that tree.
When I was in Scotland, they were claiming this. I don't know if this is true, but because there's a lot of really old shit in Scotland.
They have these stones. Really?

Yeah, we were in Scotland.

There's these guide stones on the ground.

And I go, what's that from?

They go, we don't know.

I go, how old is it?

They're like, it's about 5,000 years old.

I was like, what?

You just walk up to a 5,000 year old stone?

There's a stone circle out there.

There's a stone circle that someone has constructed.

It's similar to Stonehenge, but on a much, much smaller scale. And it's's older than Stonehenge and it's just on the street in front of this dude's house So this guy said do you want to see it? It's not even like a heritage site No, no it has a little plaque that's like that big So we got out of the car and we walk over to it You can walk on it, you can stand on it I'm like this is so weird, like how old is this? They're like we we're not exactly sure, but it's thousands and thousands of years old.

Like the Druids made this where it came from.

I don't know.

They don't know who did it.

They don't know why this guide stone was just on the ground next to this,

uh,

this pathway.

And I was like,

what is this?

Like,

that's a,

you know,

5,000 year old guide stone.

I'm like,

what is,

what?

Whoa.

Who made,

what's that there?

Why isn't it a museum built around this fucking thing? That's crazy. It is just laying on the ground.
No, I mean, it's, what is, what? Whoa. Who may have put that there? Why isn't it a museum built around this fucking thing?

That's crazy that it's just laying on the ground.

No, I mean, it's, it's, what, this is a meteorite?

Yes.

That is a meteorite.

That's super cool.

So, weren't they saying that, so they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world

is in Scotland.

I was like, what?

I don't know how that's true.

I thought the oldest tree was, has to be in Africa.

Wouldn't it be?

I thought it was in the Middle East somewhere.

It was like one of those, it's like, you know, like six feet tall and like super rude.

All right. I was like, I don't know how that's true.
I thought the oldest tree was, has to be in Africa. Wouldn't it be? I thought it was in the Middle East somewhere.
It was like one of those, it's like, you know, like six feet tall and like super rudy. Right, all fucked up, gnarly.
They said like it predates Jesus. Like, you know, it's like ancient, ancient, ancient tree.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what's the oldest tree in the, this is just, I didn't want to tell the guy, get the fuck out of here to say the oldest tree.
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M for Mature. A tour of the land.
These are coos. These are coos.
They have cows. They call the cows coos.
I go, what are you saying, man? Scotland's oldest tree. So it's 3,000 and 9,000 years old.
Between three and nine. That's a big swing.
Yeah, they don't know. I mean, that's the thing about that area.
There's a lot of just guessing. There's a lot of just guessing.
So see if you can show me a photo of the oldest tree. Yeah, they're gnarly looking, like you're saying.
It's not like a massive tree. No.
It's, you know, when you walk by it, you would think, oh, it's just a tree. You would never think that thing's 9,000 years old.
But I'm curious what the oldest tree period is.

I think that's the one.

That's the one they were saying is the oldest tree.

Well, this is just what this guy is telling me.

What is that one?

The oldest tree in the world.

What's that one?

Is it in the U.S.?

That one looks like it's in the Middle East.

I don't think so, no.

Couldn't be, right?

I don't know.

Bristlecone.

Where's that one?

Great base, 900 years. Doesn't say.
Where's bristlecone? California. California.
So the oldest tree in the world is in California? No, hold on. It says something about Atlanta.
Oh, no, no, no. It says, yeah, I don't think they're saying it.
Trees Atlanta is the website. That's kind of weird.
Is that maybe just like trees around the world that they're studying in Atlanta? Wrong rabbit hole is all me. Mmm.
The oldest tree in the world. It looks like shit.
Looks like you would expect the oldest tree. You wouldn't expect the oldest tree to look like those great redwoods.
California. California.
Doesn't have a single fucking leaf. So how old is that one? How old is that one? How old is the oldest tree in the world? 4,855 years old.
Yikes. Methusel have a name for it So some cocksucker You know there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk You know, there's some fucking tech shithead U.S.
Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely where Methuselah stands Nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree Methuselah Yeah, it up. Can you look up how old the General Sherman is? I'm curious about the Sequoias.
But this is interesting, Jamie, because I guess that other website's incorrect because the other website was saying it might be 9,000 years old. This is the same tree right here, I think.
The yew from northern Wales, wouldn't that be? Yeah, but that's's not Scotland Different country, but I'm sure they have some old shit to Prometheus I think that's the thing about a lot of these old old trees is it's kind of guesswork Yeah, I don't think they really know and I think it probably behooves them behooves them to exaggerate a little hooves You know because it's kind of a good bragging point say we got to all this to see the world it's a draw for your for your town whatever sorta there's no one out there it was really cool like six people there's no one in Scotland bro just fucking Scotland is like the whole country is like the size of Austin in terms of population no level living single stem tree on yeah single stem yeah so not not all complicated like the ones we just saw this is This is just like a pole. A lot of the rainforest trees are like this, where it's just a pillar.
General Sherman. So is that a sequoia? Yeah.
Yeah, man. Have you gone up to Northern California? Did that rainforest? I haven't been up to Northern Cali, but where the General Sherman is, it looks, you know, like if you play like Super Mario 64, like when you get like you go into like giant land there was a sequoia tree that had fallen over i mean the thing was you know 36 feet thick i don't know but i was like i couldn't climb on top of the tree right and it fell over and it went from here for like a city block yeah they have one that has a tunnel carved out yeah well you could drive your car through it they're so cool and people want to cut them down Yeah, there's people frothing to cut those oh yeah people are gross Especially some fucking psychopath who's on Adderall Sherman tree contains more wood volume in its trunk than any other tree on earth And you know that's not that that seems like to make sense to me like that's the oldest tree You know when I see that little ratty little fucking bush in the desert i'm like that's not the old you lie bitch yeah i see i thought it would be somewhere on the side of a mountain where it's like high wind and they're growing slow over a thousand years so no humans would have been up there and every year it's just adding you know a millimeter to its to its you know well we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago, but yet we still know so little.
They still, like 2010, they found a new human species. The Denisovans.
They didn't even know the Denisovans were a thing until 2010. And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the aborigine people in Australia, have Denisovan in them.
And maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them. They only described the fact that there was two species and not one species of fucking elephant in Africa in the 90s

Well wasn't a gorilla like a myth until they went I think gorillas were like mythical creatures

Until like the 1800s like when did they discover gorillas?

I mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla probably Until the 1800s. When did they discover gorillas?

I mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla probably had some mental issues. Well, I'm sure Africans saw gorillas, but they couldn't get the word out.

But the first explorer with his chain mail to show up and look at a gorilla.

It wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live, such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, knew gorillas better, but among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures. There's human-like, big 400-pound monsters, and they're like insane.
Yeah, well, there's... Insane.
This is a really controversial one. It's the Bondo ape, and that's a particular area of the Congo called Billy.
And Billy has this unusual strain of chimpanzees that have a crest on their head, like a gorilla. So like, this is a normal chimpanzee skull.
See how it's smooth on the top? Gorillas have this big crest because their mandible muscles are so massive because they mostly just, they only eat plants. So they're mostly eating fiber.
So they're just crushing roots and stuff all day long. It has to grab onto that.
Massive muscles. Well, these chimpanzees, they thought initially they perhaps were a hybrid between chimpanzees and gorillas because they're much bigger.
They're like six feet tall. A hybrid between chimpanzees.
And they're enormous. It's a really controversial thing.
Some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees. There's this area in Africa.
There's a documentary on it called Relentless Enemies. It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years, and these lions got stuck on this island with nothing but water buffalo.
So all the lions look like Yoel Romero. They all just look fucking Brock Lesnar lions, just super jacked.
Female lions as big as male lions in other parts of Africa. Super jacked female lions just fucking up these water buffaloes.
Well, they do all the heavy lifting. Yeah, because they have to adapt to their environment.
So there was some thought that maybe this was a particular strain of chimpanzee that had adapted and was just unusually large. But they're fucking huge, man.
There's a guy named Carl Armand. He's a Swiss wildlife photographer.
And he dedicated his life to exploring these animals and documenting them. And he got photographs of them on a camera trap walking on two legs.
But you guys see what they look like. Oh yeah.
They look nutty. They look nutty.
I mean, they're hunched over a little bit, but they look so much bigger than a regular chimpanzee. So this is a real thing.
This isn't like cryptozoology. Oh, no, no, no, no.
It's not. No, they have tissue samples.
They have bones. So we have separate DNA.
Yep. Plenty of videos of these things.
It's an actual animal. The question is, is this a subspecies? Is it a completely different species? It's like, right, you know they have bonobos.
The tissue? Well, it's a novel tissue though, right? So it's a new thing. So if it is, they're trying to figure out exactly what happened and how many of them there are.
And it seems to be in this incredibly dense, war-torn area of the Congo where these things live. But we know there's bonobos, right? Which kind of look like chimpanzees, but they're really different.
They're not violent at all. They just fuck.
Yeah, peace and love. They have arguments and they fuck each other.
And that's how they get over everything. They use hemp.
Yeah, they probably do. They're probably stoner monkeys.
I wonder what's in their diet. But these chimpanzees are very different than the other chimpanzees from Chimp Nation where they're probably stoner monkeys i wonder what's in their diet but these monkeys are these chimpanzees are they're very different than the other chimpanzees like from chimp nation where they're super violent and they kill monkeys all day and they you know they fight over fruit chimp chimp nation is the is the netflix netflix document fucking amazing that's the one where the scientists were embedded with these chimpanzees for 20 years so the chimpanzees behave completely normal when you say embedded like what good all did like sit sitting there like yes Right there.
They lived with them. Yeah, so they set up camp in these forests and they had very clear rules number one Stay 20 yards away always not much not much pretty close But when it gets closer 20 yards get out of there no food don't Don't look them in the eyes.
No fucking around. And so the chimpanzees, their whole life, chimpanzee lives in the wild, probably 15, 20 years or whatever.
Their whole life they've been around these people. So they act completely normal.
Those people are just like another tree, just another thing that's not of consequence. It doesn't steal resources from them.
It doesn't try to intimidate them. It doesn't infringe on their territory.
Never gets closer than 20 yards. No worries.
So because of that, they've got this insane footage. It's one of the most incredible documentary series of all time.
And they study the social behavior between the chimpanzees. And I had the guy on who directed it.
It was really fascinating. I'm like, how often do they eat monkeys? He's like, dude, we couldn't even show them all them all There's eat monkeys all day.
That's their favorite thing to do and they just rip them apart

Yeah, and they didn't even know that until the 90s when David Attenborough went to the the jungle to film chimpanzees

They caught them hunting monkeys and eating them alive. It's terrifying.
It's crazy

There's a monkey and he's this chimp has it like his hand is around its waist and it's just eating it from the hips down like this. And the monkey's going, Jesus! It's just got this little monkey face that looks so much like ours.
It's so close to us. And this chimp's just chewing chunks.
And so they have 20 years. Pulling a leg off and handed it to this other chimp and he's chewing it.
They share? Oh yeah, they share. Well, that's a big part of this docuseries.
Interesting. Is how they set up those social structures.
Their social structures are so similar to ours. It's like we think that the biggest chimpanzees like the alpha male, it's not.
Some of them it's not. It's a smart one who has made comrades and made a community and is very very fair chimpanzees have a very strong sense of

fairness and

Being slighted like if one of the elders doesn't get a piece of the monkey they get fucking furious

Like what have you done?

But you have to make right like you have to like sue people's or monkeys chimpanzees

anger and being slighted

Dude, yeah well, I when I was a cat who's remember as a kid i was watching a nature show and they they had a i had to call it the third beetle principle there was the two male beetles were battling and the females watching and while the two male beetles are battling the third beetle comes and fucks the female that's what happens with elk all the time and it was just like you know be a third yeah they studied white-ail deer as well. Same thing happens.
The big guys are fighting when the big guys are fighting, the little sneaky ones like, hey, what's that, ladies? Yeah, ladies like them. They're smart.
See if you can find a photograph of that Bondo ape. Yes, please.
Again, very controversial. Why is it controversial, though? Because people don't want to believe it's real.
So that's one, yeah, that one's a dead one. They shot at an airport.
Oh look at the size of it compared to those guys It's so much bigger than trying to get on a plane This is um you ever see that movie the Congo. It's a stupid movie like I read the book It was a cool book with that gorillas could those talk but those chimpanzees the crazy chimpanzees were based on these bondo, yeah, yeah.
That's the idea. Look at that picture up in the top right with the black and white one.
Yeah. Well, find the camera trap photo.
Scroll down a little bit. It'll probably be one of the first photos that you see.
There's a camera trap photograph. No, that's a different one.
That's one that lived in America. If I saw that in the forest, I would kill myself.
There's one, they called them Humansi, and they thought at one point in time that maybe somebody had fucked a chimpanzee. These are all cool.
That's it. That's it.
Where it says, World of Carl Amman on the top shelf. Yeah, right there.
That's the camera trap photo. That's not the best version of it I've seen more clear version but he's walking around and they're enormous this these guys said they had a land rover and they they had a defender and they stopped or whatever the truck was they stopped the truck in the road as one walked by and it was taller than the truck what so they're huge They're enormous.
Some of them are, like I said, they're like six foot tall chimpanzees.

And- in the truck. What? So they're huge.
They're enormous. Some of them are, like I said,

they're like six foot tall chimpanzees.

And just imagine how strong

a regular chimp is. So that is

definitely that one up there.

Click on that. Click on the

gallery. So Carl

Armand is this guy who was

this wildlife photographer that

when they became aware of this subspecies, see photographs of the skull Yeah, see how the ridge right so the one behind it is a regular chimpanzee skull And then the the much larger one is the Bondo ape skull. They also nest on the ground like gorillas.
Yeah, they're like nobody's fucking with me They're fucking huge man And there's not a large population of them, and they're not it's not very well studied Because it's so remote. Mm-hmm.
It's very fucking dangerous to get there But you see those bones in the ground show that image again look at the size difference Between the regular chimpanzee skull you in the background and then the Bondo ape in the foreground and look at the crest on the head Yeah,. The locals have two names for chimpanzees.
They call them tree beaters and lion killers. Lion killers? Lion killers.
And the lion killers, first of all, there's no lions in the jungle. Lions not king of the jungle.
Well, there's no lions. Lions live in the savannah.
So calling them lion killers is probably just a fun name. But they have found, they did video one that was a jaguar Or a leopard rather a leopard, but they don't know if it found the leopard dead and ate it They don't know what the fuck happened.
I could have cornered it. Did it really? Did they really jack a leopard? I mean maybe maybe a small leopard well You got to think if it's really six feet tall so a regular chimpanzee gets to be like a full-grown male is probably like 180 pounds, like a big giant jack chimpanzee.
180? 180 pounds. And the strength of a 500-pound man.
So you weigh probably close to it, right? You probably weigh 180. Yeah.
So your weight, but the strength of a 500-pound man. Now imagine one that's not five feet tall, but six feet tall, and is not 200 pounds, but 300 pounds, or 350.
What? Get that guy in the octagon. Dude, fuck that.
A regular chimpanzee would fuck a human up, but that photograph of those two men that's sitting there with one that they shot, that's one that they think is confirmed to be one of these bondo apes and it's so much bigger than them but you have to think like okay these guys like first of all they're in the background just like when you catch a fish you hold the fish out in front of you it's a perspective thing anaconda thing exactly but the the guy does have his hand on his shoulder and just there's some things you can't fake his nuts. I was going to say, the size of his nuts is the size of that guy's face.
And look at the size of his hand. His hand's massive.
That's a massive chimpanzee. Grab onto some serious branches with that.
Google humanzy, because humanzy was a weird one. These people had this chimpanzee, and they dressed it up like a person, and it had weird

facial features where it looked so similar to a person.

Yeesh.

It looks weird.

There's better images of it, and there's video of this, but I think along the way, that one

right there to the left of that, right there where you're at is good, too.

So look at his face.

I don't like that.

Strange, right? Strange features. He looks like he could work at a bank.
Very weird. So it led people to think that his name is Oliver.
It led people to think that Oliver was some sort of a hybrid, but it doesn't seem like he is. It just seems like he's just an odd facial.
But look, they put him in a fucking suit and tie and shit. And they're fine.
attracted to his care and preferred humans over chimps The problem with those things is they're horny just like you know And he doesn't even know there's other chimps cuz you get to see him, you know, he's close enough He's like I'll fuck you lady and like she's taking care of him. I was like take care of this He's he's a horny fucking terror chimpanzee.
I've heard orangutans do that too i'm sure they're primates well this is uh you know that's that chimp nation show that's on have you seen that on netflix i haven't seen i've been i've been obsessed with the uh the hundred foot wave i'm not i'm serious not chimp nation uh chimp crazy chimp crazy is all about these people that are like the tiger king people that are all instead of having tigers they have chimps just crazy people with chimps in their house Yeah, it crawls up. He's like fuck chimps.
They'll eat you Carl, you know goddamn heartbeat Article about Oliver has this photo we've used a lot as I don't know that's all of you know that article She was taken. Yeah, that's just another chimpanzee.
That's not him. But I'm sure they took him from the Congo or wherever.
Apparently, this is also something that we learned from the guys from Chimp Crazy that we're on. We're explaining how this trade works where they kidnap these babies from their mother.
And then they start raising them in captivity in America and some places like Wyoming it's legal so they all go to Wyoming or was it Missouri? Where was it that they buy chimps? Missouri right? I mean that the whole Tiger King thing. Fucking nuts man.
Those people all are just normal people that have wild animals. Ligers.
Dude they I don't know if say this. They, way before the Tiger King thing, one of the dudes, not the main Tiger King guy, one of the other guys, um, and the Myrtle Beach guy invited me to his place.
And he's like, is that the guy who runs the sex cult? Yeah. And he was like, you got to help me legitimize my shit.
I'm a real conservationist. And so me and my friend Mosin, uh, who, who you know we do all the photography all the amazon fire stuff together and we were always like you want to go fuck fucking hang out with tigers for a weekend he's like yeah let's go and so they were like look we're legit you gotta you know you're you're a real conservationist come over here tell the world about us yeah so what they do is they have people sit in a circle and you can go like with your date and pay for this and they put a tiger cub in your lap.
Great. Cool.
But then what do you do with those 16 tiger cubs next year when they weigh 500 pounds? And that's the answer. They all have an incinerator on site.
Oh no. Yeah.
So they're breeding tigers and incinerating them. Also I was standing there.
So many weird things happened that weekend. It was like it was going into.
So when they get to be dangerous they just shoot them dangerous, they just shoot them and burn them? I don't know how they euthanize them, but they have an incinerator on site and they're producing tigers. And when you go, where do the tigers go? Oh my God.
They go, well, you know. Oh no.
And they're going, save tigers, save the world. And there's animals everywhere.
I was doing something and the girl walks by with a liger and I felt like I was on mushrooms. The thing's fucking head is this big.
Yeah, it's so big. You know when in Sandlot, when they see the beast and it's like an animatronic giant, it looked ridiculous.
This liger walked by and was as tall as I was and I just went, I don't like it here. Well, it's a weird hybrid because I think it's, is it a male tiger and a female lion or a male lion and a female tiger? I think it's a male tiger.
So in the problem is in male lions, the gene that regulates size exists. So when a male lion breeds with a female lion I might be fucking this up

But I know that this the problem with the liger why they're so big is because whether it's the male or the female

So it's a hybrid off to a male lion and a tiger female Okay, so in the female lion then or in the male tiger one of them

There's this gene that regulates how big you get

And it doesn't exist in the liger. They don't look right.
They get so big. Their head.
How big do they get, Jamie? Over 900 pounds. Jesus Christ.
But a Siberian tiger, I think, can also get like 900 pounds. Like an number of tigers.
I think they can get pretty big. I think so, too.
I think a liger is way off the charts. I think Ligers might be bigger than that.
Yep. Scroll down a little bit, Jamie.
800 pounds. There's the one I saw.
900 pounds. That's the dude.
That's the cat. That's the dude.
Yeah. So this one says it got to 922 pounds.
Hercules, the largest non-obese Liger. So he's non-obese.
He's not a fat fatso They try to cheat that's some donuts. That's some body positive bullshit.
Yeah, I bet he's not if he's 922 Wow when he was three years old he weighed 408 pounds Oh my god 900 pounds 408 kilograms. Oh my god And now it, my God.
Value of the King's Animal Sanctuary in Wisconsin had a male liger named Nook who weighed over 1,213 pounds. Oh, my God.
So lion and tiger in captivity are under 1,100 pounds. How big does a Siberian tiger get? What's the largest Siberian tiger? See, that I would say 900 pounds.
I feel like that upper limit is 900 pounds, and I have from nose to tail about 12 feet. Those are my guesses.
That's such a big animal, the Siberian. 11 feet long.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
That book, The Tiger, is one of the best books. It's 10 foot 11 inches long from nose to tail, weighed 932 pounds.
Look at that face. Bro.
They're so beautiful, too. That's what's crazy, that it's a cat that lives in the snow.
Like, you think of tigers, you think of India. You think of the jungle.
Jungle, yeah. You don't think of a cat that lives in Siberia.
And it's the biggest one messes up the bears And controls the wolf populations Good lord Good lord That paw It's crazy that it's such a gorgeous thing That's killing you It's probably part of the trick You're hypnotized about how beautiful it is Like what? Look at this thing thing Would you ever see in Life in Color They show you the spectrum that deer see in They don't see orange Because that was my question growing up as a kid If you want to blend in Why the hell would you be orange and white and black It seems like that's like the most It's like having a neon sign Well that's because the most dangerous thing in the forest is people Especially people with guns Yeah no no but I'm saying, no. But I'm saying before that is when they- But that's why they did it.
They do it so that you don't get shot by hunters. That's the whole reason why you have orange on.
Sure, but I'm saying it stands out. But I'm saying, so my question was, why would a tiger- Oh, deer don't see that.
Because deer see orange. It's just more green.
Because tigers live in the grass, and there's a lot of shadows and stripes. Yeah, they show you-.
They can move around. They show you deer vision and they literally don't register that color orange.
So it just looks like more green shit. And a tiger vanishes.
It's such a cool clip. It's on one of those like David Attenborough.
I think that's also why zebras have those funky stripes. I think it fucks with them.
Yeah, it confuses the predators. I think all those lines fuck with them.
Because they're not seeing things like we're seeing this cup, we're seeing your phone, seeing writing. I don't think they see like that.
A lot of it is edge detection and motion. I was just elk hunting and I got a video on my Instagram.
See how they blend in? So they would not see all that stuff. They would just see what looks like branches.
Yeah, like squint and look at that image. And it's easy to see it for us very difficult to see it for them and if they're in the jungle densely fall foliated jungle and there's all these trees and shit they would just blend right the fuck in and just lay in wait for something that's slower than them but I was thinking when you're saying about the bondo ape one of the things that we're doing now is we're using Starlink to deploy camera traps in areas because you just take a Starlink, put it up in the top of a tree.
I have a guy on my team, Stefan, he figured this out. We take Starlink, you put it up in the top of a tree so it has access.
Someone's got to climb the tree. You put a solar panel attached to it? You got to have Starlink and a solar panel and just like a little box to run everything.
And then you can deploy remote camera traps around. So we're getting now, we haven't published this yet, but we're getting live feed from parts of the Amazon where there's no people.
And with the Starlink, you can send it back to you with Wi-Fi so you don't have to get the cards. Dude, we get updates on our phones.
Oh, my God. That's incredible.
So if we did this in Bondo Ape territory. You'd probably find them.
Yeah. But you'd probably get fucked up getting in there and putting that stuff up there.
That's the problem. It's humans.
Me and Lex could do it. The problem is the humans.
I mean, it's essentially run by warlords. It's a war zone run by warlords.
And then if you go into the Congo, you have the cobalt mines. You have all these things that are run by China.
There's all the slave labor operations that are going out there, and it's just the whole area. My friend Justin, he runs this charity, Fight for the Forgotten, he goes to the Congo and he builds wells.
And, you know, we've had him on a few times talk about his experiences over there, but getting to these people to try to build wells for them is fucking just fraught with peril. You're dealing with just gunfights break out.
People get robbed. People get pulled over and guns held to their head.
Everything gets stolen from them. It's like blood diamond.
Yes. Just lawlessness run by warlords, different, you know, different towns.
You go into a run by different people. You have to have translators.
Sometimes translators like this is not good. This is not good this is not good you're like oh fuck and you know you're just over there trying to help people and you're so if you're going to study these chimpanzees like this ain't no you know this ain't like the fucking pacific northwest just go into the woods and like oh there's a deer no this is you're dealing humans, dangerous humans who are desperate and who have lived their whole life in these conditions.
When you go elk hunting, how long do you spend, like how, how long is an elk hunt for you? I give myself a week. I always have a week, but you know, a lot of guys who have more time, they'll do 10 days.
It depends on what kind of hunting you're doing. I'm doing it in places where there's private access.
So it's not – if you have public land, you're going to get a lot of hunters on that land, especially if there's elk. And it pushes the elk deeper and deeper into the forest.
And if you want to really find them, a lot of these guys, they'll put their – like my friend Aaron Snyder, he'll put a backpack on. He'll go two weeks, and they'll go 26, 30 miles in, and that's where the elk are.
And so not only that, you have to pack them out. Oh, yeah.
So if you kill an elk 30 miles in, and it's 30 miles as the crow flies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. 30 miles of terrain.
You're going up and down and up and down, thousands of feet of elevation, And it takes them days to get the animal out. Yeah.
I've seen the videos of that. You had this guy on.
He's awesome. Donnie Vincent? Yes.
He does a very good job of documenting his elk hunts. And he's always got the backpack with the antlers on.
Yep. And you have to have a fucking strong back, man.
Yeah. Trekking poles are a must.
And you're carrying something on your back that's almost what you weigh. You got a person on your back and you're trying to go 30 miles.
Elevation. And that's only one trip.
Yeah. You're done.
You drop it off. You have to get it on ice or do something depending rather on what the temperature is outside.
You have to preserve the meat. You have to put it somewhere, usually in a cooler.
You lock it down. Whatever you do, you quarter it out, bone it out, and then you're going back.
You're going 30 miles for load number two. If you're solo, there's a lot of guys that solo elk hunt, you might have to go in four times to get all the meat out because you physically can't carry it all 30 miles up and down the mountains without risk of dying.
No. How much is an elk? I mean, elk is gigantic.
Hundreds of pounds of meat. So I can tell you exactly because we shot these elk in Utah and then we brought them to this meat processing place that makes you sausages and all kinds of cool shit.
And they weigh it. So they weigh your meat.

It was 400 pounds of meat.

Of harvested meat.

Yeah, I mean, there's bones.

Bones or guts.

No, there's still bones.

There's still bones.

And the quarters.

But the bones aren't that much weight.

Let's just say the bones are 100 pounds.

And I don't think they are.

But let's say they are.

Yeah, I don't think they are.

Because it's just a couple leg bones.

It's quartered.

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Let's say it's 100 pounds. It's still 300 pounds of meat you got to get out on your own.
Yeah. You.
300 pounds on your back. So you gotta do it in 100 pound trips probably.
If you're smart but some guys get crazy. 100 pound pack is a lot.
Dude I know it is. I know a guy fucked his back up cause he tried to do 180 pounds and he went like 25 miles.
And his back's destroyed. His back is so destroyed that one of his atrophying Yeah, because his nerves are getting pinched because his fucking discs are all bulged out and fucked up So you shoot an elk yeah, and then you you let's say you're with two guys I don't know you you take as much as you can and you come out now in the meantime that carcass is sitting there You just you just try and get back as soon as you can like the meat doesn't go bad No,'s cold out it's cold out when i was hunting it was hailing okay you know so it's like some of the days it was in the 30s some of the days it was in the 40s but it's plenty of play oh yeah it totally can but we didn't have to wait overnight we packed it out that day i got very lucky that my friends came down and helped me so we were in the bottom bottom of this canyon.
It's very, very steep. This part that's like extremely difficult to get to, which is why the elk go there.
So it was like, you have to be very physically fit just to get there, just to get, like when I do cardio, getting ready for elk hunts, I'm literally, I get ready for it. Like I have to go into a fight or something.
You train for it. I'm doing sprints on the Airdyne machine just to pump my legs up.
I'm doing box jumps and box steps with weights. I'm doing all these bodyweight squats.
It's just to have strong legs. Just because you have to deal with this terrain.
If you want to go where the elk are. Because they know where the cats are.
And they know where they can hide. And they know where they can get away from people.
And that's in the areas that are hard get to which is the mountains and the more hard to get to and the elk go up it like it's nothing like they just fucking run right up it like it's it's so wild to watch because you you're struggling to go like a mile an hour and these motherfuckers are like running over the top of the hill like it's nothing yeah but that's why they're there they're there because they know that it's tough to get there and yeah people won't fuck with them there and you know they rarely get

fucked with there so that's how you have to get to so i got lucky that there was five guys in camp

with me and everyone took a load and i think cam haynes has a photo of it on his instagram of all

of us packing it out it was in one of those multiple photo things but so that that helped a

lot because if it was just me and my friend colton who was my guide it would have probably taken us fucking most of the day yeah most of the day just to get it to the top of the hill where you can get a 4x4 to it so you're not worried about you don't have like camping gear also so you're no okay no that's good yeah but a lot of guys do and those guys the most effective hunters that go into public land, which is a much tougher thing to do, right? Because I said because of pressure and also because if you want to go where the elk are, the elk, there's a lot of people, there's pressure and the elk are going to get the fuck out of Dodge. And so you have to find out where they are.
It's a lot more groundwork and you're covering a lot more miles. So these guys, they put their camp on their back and they do the chop the toothbrush in half that whole deal bring stereo pens they know where the water is and they use things like onyx maps so they chart their path that's all of us nice so we're packing out that's all the elk quarters on different people's backs and that head up there that's me carrying the head out with the antlers nice you know and it, and it's, like I said, real lucky that we had friends there to help us.
But if you do that by yourself, if you're out there by yourself and you're 30 miles in, you got to be so strong. You got to be so strong.
Whose shot was that? I think it was Adam, my friend Adam Green Tree. He's an awesome photographer.
That's incredible. He lives in Australia who's with us hunting too.

But that's the kind of hunting that I do is the easiest kind of hunting as far as that goes.

As far as bow hunting in the wilderness goes, yeah.

In that.

You could do it with a gun.

It's 100 times easier.

Oh, no.

But what I'm saying is like there's not going to be a lot of people there.

No one's going to fuck with you.

And you know the elk are there.

Yeah. So the much more difficult path is like the public

land hunter who has to go

deep into the forest to get away from all the people.

Like my friend Adam told me he went

23 miles into the forest

once and he's like, no one's going to be here and he

found two tents. He's like, motherfucker.

These hunters, they're

all realizing like, so there's like

a category of hunter that's

like these athletes. That love it.
Yeah, but but they're athletes like these guys are super physically fit so they can go 25 miles 30 miles in and they can be by themselves which is which is pretty serious oh yeah man yeah you did a great job of explaining to that one guy about why wolves and elk and because you're saying like you know fundamentally like you know god and the fact that animals eat each other and you're like because there's wolves

elk are mega athletes that can run up a mountain and i was just like i was listening to it yes yes

yes yes yeah that's why they are the way they are you can't take that out of the equation

yeah like people want oh let's have all the elk live in harmony where they never have to worry

about getting eaten that's not real just standing there yeah Yeah, what you're saying is not real So if you're saying you don't want hunting you're saying you want these animals to die in a far more horrific way because we need Population control some say we need people but that's the world economic forum But what I think is with animals we at least we, like we have wildlife biologists that are incredible at this job and they understand what the holding populations are. They're like, this is how much food is there.
This is how many deer are there. This is sustainable.
We can give out this amount of tags. And so we keep the populations, but you have to also take into account wolves.
When wolves move into an area, everything gets fucked. Everything gets fucked.
They kill off a giant percentage of the calves. They kill off domestic animals.
They do surplus kills sometimes. Like in Wyoming, they found this crazy surplus kill where these wolves had killed like 100 cow elk.
And they were just laying there. Because they can't they can't help themselves man if they can do it they're gonna do it like if they're stuck in snow or something's going on where they can't get away if they got them cornered get them they just go on a slaughter fest well it's like that's like when we were in school and they were like you know the native americans only took you know and then like you read empire of the summer moon and you're like oh it's all lies oh it's all lies the native americans were unbelievably brutal to each other the comanches were insane that book changed my whole view of everything they're gonna do a movie they better they better is it a movie or a series it's a movie right i hope that no i hope they do a movie but it's taylor sheridan yeah so yeah he'll do it right i hope they do a movie.
But it's Taylor Sheridan. Yeah? So, yeah, he'll do it right.
Oh, I hope they do it right. He'll do it right.
I was reading that book on an expedition, and I was like, when did we stop being warriors? Never. When? No.
I'm talking about... It's still going on right now.
It's just not us. But the mentality, the mentality where they'd be like, oh, yeah, Quanah was by this stream, and they saw another tribe going that way, and they just went, let's go get them.
Yeah. You don't need to do that you might die well they were just like let's go they went on raiding parties so they thought it was fun yeah that's what it was to them they'd go and find other native tribes and fuck them up and sometimes eat them yeah but i'm saying like that to me given the modern context like we're raised to be so sensitive and so considerate.
Yeah. And it's like these people, you read about the, I don't remember Quanah's mom's name, but Cynthia Ann Parker, the woman that was.
There's a photo of her in the lobby. Yeah? Yeah.
Breastfeeding her baby. Yeah.
She was kidnapped. And I think she had a baby that they killed.
And then fast forward like five years, 10 years later, and she only speaks command. She didn't have a baby when they caught her.
No, she was only nine. Okay.
There was someone that they killed and then fast forward like five years ten years later and she only speaks command she didn't have a baby when they caught her no she was only nine okay there was someone that they caught and she had a baby and they kicked killed it on the rocks like but but then she became a command she I think they killed her mother's other child yeah I think that's what when they killed her mother and they raped her mother and they they're they were unbelievably, but they had a hard time With their population because they're riding horses so much so they're losing a lot of babies exactly so To mitigate that they would take young kids So they find young kids and they can't help them and bring them into the tribe so they kill the parents and Credible oh my god some of the stories are so and what the craziest thing is what our government did. Our government was like, hey, you want a homestead? Go out there.
We'll give you a chunk of land. What was that? They did it to bait people.
The first scene of that book, the guy goes out there and he's like, hello, good friends. Good day to you.
And they cut his head off and peel his face off. And it's like, holy shit.
They kill everybody. Well, you're on their land as far as they're concerned what the fuck are you doing and what the government was doing was saying hey you can go homestead out there and it was baiting them yeah and so then they made these people fight off the comanche and if it wasn't for jack hayes and the texas rangers texas rangers texas would have never been settled yeah this is all the comanche.
Dude, there's so many arrowheads here.

It's mad.

I would go nuts if I found an arrowhead in real life.

If I was walking and I found an arrowhead,

it would be the best day of my life.

I found one once in Nevada.

You found it?

No, I did not find that one.

So this is a real Native American arrowhead.

Absolutely.

My friend Remy said that's probably one they use for fish

because it's larger.

He said the ones they use for deer are smaller because they don't have a lot of force on their bows. No.
They have to penetrate. Yeah.
So they want a smaller diameter arrowhead. Ouchy.
Wow, wow. That would do it.
That would do it. I'll fuck you up.
I'll fuck you up. Oh, that's so cool.
And they used to have the ability to hold all their arrows in between their fingers so they could fire off arrows one after another. This is why when they came up with the musket, they're like, this is not good enough.
One shot. Yeah, and then they got to sit there and they're just filling you up with arrows.
So when Colt developed a revolver, that changed the game. Because now all of a sudden these guys had cartridges.
I think the initial one was five shots. So they could just pop the cartridge out, put a new one in, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
Changed the game. Yeah.
The crazy thing is he was sitting over there in New Jersey, I think, developing that. And he was like, I'm tinkering.
And he sent it to the, I think he said, he sent it over there. And everyone was like, what is this? Not only that, the government didn't want it for soldiers.
They're like, why do we need this? We don't need this. But the Texas Rangers used it.
Figured it out. Yeah.
And they're like, we need that fucking thing they were really the predecessor like to our image of like the cowboy. Like that's the birth of the cowboy, right? Well, I mean that whole image of like a dude with a hat on a horse.
Like that was the – to me that's like it looked like you were getting towards after the Comanche, like the end of the Comanche times into the – I don't think cowboys were around for long. Like that period that we think of wild west i think it was like a period of like it's kind of funny right because it's such a genre in our history like there's not a whole lot of civil war cool movies no because nobody likes but there's a lot of western cool movies because it's romantic but the history of genocide in north america in terms of like what happened to the the Native Americans has been so poorly documented in movies.
Because nobody wants to watch that. Right.
So the movies are all just, you know, guys in saloons having shootouts with other bad Americans. And every now and then some Native American would get into the picture and have to fuck that Indian up because he was trying to steal your goats or whatever.
Or be the cool tracker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where they're running and they're like, oh, these guys have a Native American tracker. What a weird genre of films that only looks at it from one perspective, the perspective of the people that came over there.
And not even the real thing that happened to people is exactly what happened to people in the Amazon. It's disease.
That's the lost city of Z.

Right?

You know, when they went there, the first people were like, this place is amazing.

They have these complex cities.

It's golds everywhere.

It's gorgeous.

And then so people made the trek back.

And by the time they went there, all those people were dead from dirty, stinky European diseases.

You're like, here, you want some blankets? Yeah. Well, that blanket thing's not real.
No? No. The smallpox on the blankets wasn't real? No.
They think that, I mean, there might have been some instances where people knowingly gave people blankets with smallpox. But smallpox just spread.
Just spread like wildfire, yeah. Because everybody was immune to it from Europe.
Like, not immune, but they had some sort of antibodies because smallpox was everywhere. So when they came over here, we brought a bunch of shit over here that just wrecked those people.
Yeah. I did an expedition in, right before Lex came, we did an expedition in March.
And me and JJ went to the back. We basically picked a part of the Amazon that we'd never been to and went, let's go see what's over there.
And it took us a- You just picked a spot. We picked a spot because it was around in a place that like on the map, there's no towns.
There's no nothing. So we said, let's go there.
And it took us a week. We had to take a commercial flight to a smaller flight to a smaller flight.
And then we had to take a boat for three days, nine hours a day to get to the start of the expedition now when you do that do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that have been reported in those areas we what you do is you get to the last town and you go you wait what's that way and they tell you and the scariest thing and this was one of the worst things i've ever seen in my life, was that there were these tiny little people there. So there was like normal Peruvians walking around, like loggers, gold miners.
They're chainsaws. There's people who had gasoline barges.
There's also prostitute boats that drive around, like brothels that go down. On a boat? Yeah.
And you can pay them in wood, surprisingly enough.

Board feet of timber.

No joke.

Whoa.

Yes.

You get to the real, like this is a place where like you feel like you went in a time machine.

And you get out there and there's people with modern machines.

But then off in the corner there are these little people and they were still holding on to their bows and arrows.

And you look at them and as soon as you look at them they hide.

And we were like, who are they? And they're like, those are the N are the nawa and we're like what's going on with the nawa and it turns out that the nawa were shooting at the oil company guys that were trying to get into this deep again a part of the forest that never has been accessed before now it's starting people are reaching deeper into the amazon and the problem is they'd be going up this river and there'd be arrows flying by them. Oh my God.
So how'd they solve that problem? They funded the missionaries, sent the missionaries out there to talk to the Noah and convince them to come back to the nearest town. So these are uncontacted tribes who are right there.
Like we're standing there, like kind of talking to them. We're like, hola.
How do the missionaries communicate with them? The missionaries go like, you know, Bible up and they just hope. And they just fucking hope.
Are these the Mormons? Like what groups? I actually don't know. Mormons love to do that.
I don't know what group it was. I know I saw the missionary and he gave me a dirty, evil look and walked away like this is dark shit.
The missionary gave you an evil look. Oh, no, no.
These are not people that are okay. And so these terrified, think about this for a second.
So what are the missionaries up to? They're working for the oil companies. They're clearing out the forest.
They're clearing the way. They're just doing it peacefully.
But are they actual missionaries or are they acting as missionaries? Whatever it is, they're going with the missionary protocol, getting these people to come in. So what they did was through two translators from Spanish to Yine to Nahuatl to something, we asked this guy and we had to stay away because we didn't want to get them sick.
And we had to say like, what are you doing here? And the guy was like, I'm trying to go back to my house, like where I live in my house, my jungle. And he said, these missionaries said, if I came here, that then they'd help me in the food and, you know, and they were very confused because the missionaries had brought back a boatload of them and kind of tricked them because then when they got to the town they just showed up to capitalist society which even though it's super remote they're like you want food you gotta buy it and these people have a bow and arrow but there's no more animals around because they've killed everything and they go but I want to go home and the missionaries go well do you got gasoline now they're stuck oh my god and how far like three days of driving in a boat so like 70 miles by river oh my god and so these poor people are coming into modern society a thousand years late with their wooden bow and arrows they're this big they're tiny little people and they're terrified and no one's helping them oh my god God.
And it's the edge of the world. And it's exactly when I was, and I was reading this Comanche book on that expedition and I'm going, this is the same thing.
It's that manifest destiny. This is the end of their culture.
There's no one, there's no one who's going to help them. And they were just terrified sitting there at the edges of the streets.
And all these people are riding by on like motorcycles and rickshaws and this boat's going by. And these people are trying to look for like a rat to shoot.
Oh, my God. It was terrifying.
Oh, my God. It was terrifying.
I felt so bad for them because they had no idea. You could see they had no idea.
And they don't even speak the language. They don't even speak.
They're two degrees separated with language. So like you could speak Yine, which is the local tribal language there.

But these people don't even speak that.

They speak their language.

So you'd have to go from Spanish to Yine to Nahua.

Oh my God.

And we were there and these people were going.

So how does someone know Nahua that you talk to?

Because one of the Yine guys that I knew was, had been living there.

So he'd picked up a few Nahua words. And so they were going.
So how long have these people been there for? I didn't get that. But they were literally living in a camp where the trees were.
They stayed by the trees. They wanted to be by the trees.
Oh, my God. So there's people.
You could buy a Coca-Cola there. This was like you could buy gasoline, Coca-Cola, whatever.
Way out there there's a boat that has some like gasoline cylinders you can fill up your boat and then this this is where this is the law it's like during the gold rush in alaska it's like the last place before you go into the wild oh my god and these it was just it was really horrible to see and i think reading that the empire of the summer moon was made it even worse That's so dirty. So they trick these people into going to the town and they just abandon them.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
And these people, how could they know that someone would do that to them? They don't even know what a town is like, right? They don't even know what a town is like. Oh, my God.
They're terrified. And so they're still...
You see them, they're washing by the river and they're trying to feed their babies, but they're starving. And probably no one gives a fuck.
And no one gives treated like dirt too because people because humans are humans and so right um no one wants to help them nobody could talk to them and then of course they're they're kind of frustrated right right they're not exactly friendly either right um wow yeah crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy have you seen that overhead fit there's there's a view like a camera is on some the helicopter or something, and it's photographing these guys, and they're all fucking pointed, close, and arrows. This one.
How wild is that? You think that's wild. I can show you something that I can't show publicly, but look at this.
Really? Yeah, I got something that no one's seen. Ooh.
I'm going to show everybody. No, you're not.
This is from last week. Oh, wow.
So what Joe is looking at right now is a bunch of uncontacted tribes standing in the rain. And again, they don't speak the language of the people that are trying to interact with them.
So this is across a river. Are these those same people that were in that town? These are not the Nahuatl.
This is a different tribe. Oh, my God, man.
This is wild. This is like imagining what it would be like to run into people hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Are you on the single guy yet? Yeah. Incredible, man.
I mean, that guy looks like someone from the past. Yep.
He doesn't look like someone from now. Yeah.
And so what they did was they sent them a canoe full of bananas. Now, that guy's standing there in the cold shaking his head like he might just not know the word for blanket.
It's insane, man. This is incredible.
Yeah. And these are essentially some of the last people on earth like this.
Yeah. And so there's a huge debate about how we protect them because there's two camps there's some people that say you know they're running scared during the industrial revolution they pushed further out and they're they're they're too scared to come in and get help and then there's other people that go no they're noble savages and they live out there because they want to and they're the last free people but looking at these videos and seeing some of the stuff they're they're trying to carefully interact with some of the most remote tribes and so there's people that live seven days from the nearest town that speak a dialect of native language in the amazon and the tribes will come out and they'll you know they'll come out and they'll you saw they'll they'll come out and they'll just look they'll look at them they'll make gestures they'll do things but if you get too close to them they shoot you so you can't really you can't just go up to them be like hey man what's up do you want some eggs right you can't do that right so what happens is this standoff on either side of the river where you have people that live a remote lifestyle and are very very uh uh indigenous, but that can still interact with us.
That know the modern world, have seen a dollar before, have seen a spoon, the wheel, blah, blah. We're in an Under Armour t-shirt.
Yeah, exactly. And then these people show up.
And they got their dicks tied to their stomachs. And they wear no clothes.
And they're making sounds. Sometimes they're using animal calls.
they tie their dicks down so they don't get scratched up uh they tie them up they so if you look at this dude here look i'll just pause it on when he's that's so gangster it's like yeah man i gotta tie it up otherwise i mean think about the stuff they're walking through you don't want to drag it on the ground where everything's got a thorn so like look look at that like he's he's got that they're tied up. But yeah, you don't want to get in, you don't want to get in, I guess you don't want to, I'm like,

Miss. where everything's got a thorn.
So like, look, look at that. Like he's, he's got that thing tied up.
But yeah, you don't want to get in. You don't want to get in.
I guess you don't want like mosquitoes having access to the head. That could be a problem.
That could be a problem. Aren't there like little fishies that swim up your dick hole too? That's only if you're peeing in the water.
Oh. A much worse thing is when you take a shit in the jungle, all the bugs are coming for you.

Oh, no. So you got to be on dick patrol while you're doing that because you're going to get bug bites on your ass, but you got to make sure.

They don't go in your asshole.

Well, sure.

Right?

Does that happen?

Yeah, because as soon as you crouch, dung beetles bigger than golf balls start flying through the air.

Oh, my God.

So as you're trying to take a shit in the Amazon. So they know when an animal crouches fart there are animals following you and so you're sitting there and you have to there's a bunch of things you got to do first you got to break your stick right so you have like some leaves the leaves is to keep your your ass bug free to get the mosquitoes away and then the other thing you got to do is you got to be holding a tree because you're crouching, right? Right.
But then you use your ass stick to swat away the dung beetles because they come in. And one dung beetle hit my friend Mosin in the eyeball and like scratched his actual eyeball because it flew straight.
And they have, you know, rhinoceros horns coming out of their faces and their exoskeletons, brutal. And they're heavy.
It's a they're airborne and they're moving quick and when they want your shit because and they're gonna take it and they're gonna roll it into balls and they're gonna push it through the jungle and they're gonna lay their eggs in it oh god so yeah taking the shit in the jungle is like a hole you have to know how to do it if you don't know how to do it you could end up in a lot of trouble good lord man so many things to think about and this is your everyday existence yeah yeah i just so when you went to that spot when you decided let's let's go there and it takes you three days and you get up there and you see these people did you wind up going deeper into the jungle and seeing how they actually live so could you can you or is it dangerous well both I had some trackers with me who were extremely experienced in all of this they knew where we could and couldn't go and we went on a we it took us a week to get to the launch point and then we went on a six-day expedition from there where we're eating fish out of the river we're drinking out of the river camping on the beaches and then we did reach a point where they found signs of uncontacted tribes and that's when it gets gets dangerous. And they went, we're going back.
Wow. 100% going back.
I mean, you have to. For everyone, there's absolutely no way that you can continue going.
You're going to either get killed or be killed. Like, it turns into, I mean, these guys turned around.
They loaded the shotguns, and they were like, we turn around this moment. They turned to the boat.
Wow. The moment that you find.
Because they know you're there before you know they're there. Oh, they know you're there.
Yeah. If you're coming in a boat, too, it's probably making a lot of noise.
Yeah. Right? Oh, yeah.
Wait. They hear that thing from a long ways out.
Two, three weeks ago, some loggers, they found them. They were, the chainsaw, the loggers were chainsawing on the Tawamanu River.
The loggers were, from the look of the, I'm kind of Sherlock Holmes-ing the image I saw, the loggers were chainsawing on the Tawamanu river. The loggers were from the look of the,

I'm kind of Sherlock Holmes in the image.

I saw that the loggers were cutting this log.

They were dead where they were standing.

So you think these guys are going cutting this log and the tribes are

surrounding them.

They had no idea.

Wow.

And they just started throwing arrows from the shadows.

And so they found the bodies of two loggers.

See if you can find that Jamie.

This was,

this was within August, uh, Peru tribes killed. killed there's a picture like a blurry picture of it of the loggers they don't show you anything it's just when it comes i bet you can find it i bet you my guys have it on whatsapp dark web i bet your whatsapp group is wild my whatsapp group is ridiculous i gotta show you some of the pictures i gotta start sending you some some crazy crazy shit.
Yeah, let me in. Yeah, man.
Let me see some pictures. I promise I won't share them.
I got terrible pictures. Because one time they killed these guys and their bodies were on the beach for a few days and they blew up and became white.
So they look like the Michelin Man. But then when the vultures got to them, they started ripping out their eyeballs and disemboweling them.
So by the time people went to find them. Just skeletons.
It was like the skeleton was half out of the face. It was some of the most gruesome shit you've ever seen.
It was incredible. It was incredible.
That's like, dude, now, now because of, you know, having a large social media following, people just send me their craziest shit. So I got to be careful what I open because people will send you a video.
And like one thing that I found very disturbing, somebody sent me a video and it was like here click on this and I was like I don't know if I really want to and it was somebody like there was like a deer and he was feeding a deer and feeding a deer and then he takes a handgun and shoots it in the head and I was like that's fucking hard I was like no so now I'm careful but somebody sent me a few weeks ago a video of which this one I'm probably going to share but I have to make sure that they don't get me for it um an elephant trainer in india and he's working next to this elephant and he's just working next to the elephant doing his thing and this elephant just decides that today ain't his day an elephant just knocks him over and crushes his pelvis oh and then it's like that's not good enough so it pushes his foot on the guy's head and just flattens him and it's all on video oh my god it's well actually jamie on there

is there's one picture of it might even say yeah it says elephant dead and it's just a picture of a guy his gun is broken in half and his head is flattened and that's in india that the elephant just they just flattened the guy it was just like enough is enough well i mean people's the guy. Oh, boy.
Yeah. Oh, God.
Yeah. I'm not showing that online.
Oh. Yeah.
Why'd you make me look at that? Hey, you want the good stuff or not? I do. I do.
I want the good stuff. Give it to all of me.
Show me the arrows and the guys. I'll show you.
The one next to that one is the elephant stepping on the guy. Okay.
I'm here. While I'm here.
I mean, it's important. People should know not to go...
Not to be... People think elephants are cuddly.
They're not. They're not to be messed with.
He's just decided he's got enough. This one's horrible because it's not quick.
It's not quick. But, like, see, this elephant is not...
You know, he's probably around this elephant every day. And it doesn't look like he's...
See what he's doing? See what he's doing? He's poking the elephant. That shit's annoying.
Yeah, and this elephant's gone. You know what?

That's enough. Look.

Oh!

So at this point...

He's already broken at this point.

I mean, his pelvis is gone. Even if he lived, he'd be...

Oh! Everything's just getting crushed.

And...

Oh!

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god. That's that.
He just had enough. Oh, this is horrible, man.
Just stomping this guy. He's already dead.
Yeah, he's dead now. Oh, my God.
He's so flat. That's so crazy.
He's picking him up in his mouth. I mean, this elephant is angry.
Oh, my God. This guy's dead.
That's it. But I mean, that's not even a big elephant.
And this other guy runs in to stop it. Are you out of your fucking mind? But that elephant's probably tired of wearing that fucking stupid outfit too.
Tired of getting poked at with a stick. Yep.
And that's probably like a 5,000 pound Asian elephant. Whereas the largest African elephant was something around 24,000 pounds.
Oh my God. Yeah, these are, you know, 18 wheelers.
They're huge. Yeah, and what's fucked up about that is like when you have tribes or towns or villages of people that are growing things, and the elephants find it, they're just like, sorry, it's ours now.
No more food for you. Because there's not enough jungle for the elephants.
And then you turn down an entire field full of pineapples. Yeah, they're like, no, this is my pineapple.
These are my pineapples. Yeah, they don't have any understanding of ownership.
They're like, these are pineapples that are on the ground. No one's eating them.
Of course I'm going to eat them. And they can eat all the pineapples.
And so now everybody starves. And no one can stop them.
People come out, they throw rocks at them. You can't do a fucking thing.
They'll push your house over. They don't care.
Oh, yeah, they'll stomp you into the fucking dirt. They don't give a shit.
Can I tell you my favorite elephant story from recently? Sure. So I started doing work with this private game reserve in Africa called Buffalo Kloof, and it's these incredible people, Warren and Wendy Rippon, and I started going over there because they were using post-9-11 veterans to protect their elephants and rhinos.
But their elephants, they found out, they call it the Holcroft herd. They found out that some Saudi prince had elephants in this reserve and they weren't irrigating it.
So the elephants were dying. So they went and they did a flight over and they saw dead elephants.
They saw dead animals. And there was, I think there was, I think there was 10 or 11 elephants that were still alive.
And so they went to the South African court. They repossessed the elephant herd.
The owners of the reserve that I work with, they went with a helicopter. You circle it around.
They got the elephants together. They darted the whole family at once.
All 11 elephants. Got them on trucks, like semi-lucid.
Just kind of awake, got them onto trucks, transported them to Buffalo Kloof, where they're going to be safe, released them. And they said that when these elephants woke up and came off the trucks, and now they're in a private game reserve where they're going to be safe the rest of their lives.
He said they just exploded. They went flying into the water, started drinking, playing, bathing, just eating everything.
They rearranged the entire ecosystem. And one of the females was pregnant, and they didn't know that the female was pregnant.
Wow. And so these people are doing this crazy work where they're protecting black rhinos, which are critically endangered.
Elephants, white rhinos, all this stuff. And they're doing it through hunting.
They're doing it where they have hunting. They have a reserve that is fenced in because South Africa, everything's fenced in.
But the elephants and the rhinos, and you're keeping, at this point, we're keeping black rhinos on the brink of extinction. We're keeping them from going extinct.
But it's like you go there and these elephants are so happy because they're living in a place where they're free and wild. They have food.
And they have food as they want they have like 50 000 acres what a dream for an elephant to get rescued you're like oh there's no water here everyone's dying and then all sudden you're in this bountiful place in this bountiful place and it's pretty dope and it's funny too because talking about like the people the the you know the the the anti-hunting people and it's like this is a place where very very different reality than the amazon but where you know the the owner said to me he's like you know you can you can no one's going to pay you thirty thousand dollars to take a picture of a buffalo he's like people pay thirty thousand dollars to hunt a buffalo all the time and so they use sustainable hunting of like the zebras and the buffalo and the impalas and stuff like that to protect the entire ecosystem so you have leopards and elephants and black rhinos white rhinos and so you have tourism and hunting side by side in this incredible game reserve it's wild well unfortunately the only way where people really appreciate animals is to make them a commodity whether you make them a commodity for going on safari whether you make them a commodity for hunting them because before that when people were just poaching and doing market hunting, they were on the brink of extinction. There's a lot of animals there.
A lot of the undulates that were on the brink of extinction. Yeah.
You know, there's animals in Texas that you can hunt that are endangered in their native lands. But that they've bred them in Texas.
Yeah, they've bred some... There's more tigers in Texas than there are in all the wild of the world just in people's yards yeah I just met somebody that had elands on her property this giant is very common yeah huge fucking animal crazy horns they're cool looking but these these wild game reserves in Africa you know people go over there and they shoot these animals and then that meat gets donated to these tribes and this friend of mine who went over there to do that was saying that they went to this school, which was like, to call it a school, it's dirt floors, no windows.
It's just this building where kids go and the food they get is all canned. So they have canned foods.
And so they brought them hundreds of pounds of meat.

And everybody went crazy.

The whole village comes.

They get baskets of it, fresh meat.

And it does help.

It helps.

But really what's fucked is that people live like that.

Like really the way to get people out of that situation when you have these insanely impoverished countries where you can take advantage of people and have a mind for cobalt is to try to elevate the standard of living for those people try to bring them power and give them irrigation and give them fresh water and and figure out a way to get them resources like yeah and i mean that's exactly what we're doing in the amazon is is give the loggers a better fucking job they don't want to be loggers nobody be a gold miner. Right.
Nobody wants to be a poacher in Africa. I bet a lot of people want to be gold miners.
Not this kind of gold miner. Trust me.
But that's not gold mining. This is sand mining for bits of gold.
This is what they cut down the Amazon for. Right.
But gold mining in Alaska, probably pretty fun. Imagine being part of the minor 49ers that came over here in 1849.
That's different. You find a nugget of gold.
Yeah. That's different.
That's a whole different thing. Have you seen the movie Sisu? Mm-mm.
It's like a John Wick movie from World War II. It's about this crazy soldier who becomes a gold miner, and he finds gold, and he's retired, done with the war, and then he's hiking out with his gold.
He's riding out with his gold. And the Nazis show up.
And he has to kill all the Nazis. This is one of those movies where you can kill everybody.
Like a John Wick thing. It's awesome.
I can't, man. I bet you can.
I can't. The only reason it's okay in The Matrix is because they're in The Matrix.
Right. Every other movie where one guy, like Taken, where he can take down a room full of people.
Taken's a little ridiculous, but But this guy you kind of believe it. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty fucking bad I mean this guy's like covered in scars his whole body's been war his whole but his whole life.
Yeah Give it a chance. This is this is the guy wait Who's the actor? That's not Brendan Gleeson is no it's I don't know I don't know his name, but it's not an American movie.
Look at the trailer with the knife through it. Bro, this fucking movie rules.
Yeah? It rules. Yeah, that's the gentleman's name.
I've never heard of him, but he's fucking awesome. The farthest I can go with violence was Peaky Blinders.
Oh my god, what a show. Yo.
What a show. Yo.
What a show. I have so much trouble not just talking like Alfie Solomons my entire life.
I fucking love that character. By all the Peaky Blinders.
Oh, for Alfred. That and then my newest thing is the 100-foot wave.
If you haven't watched this thing, man. No.
What's that? Oh, my God. Surfers? Garrett McNam you know the wave in uh in portugal the yeah it's the dude and his wife who discovered it you know they tell the whole story where like you know he's looking for big waves they're all chasing big waves like point break shit like you know and then uh i think they get an email from someone she she gets an email from someone she's like we should go check out this this dude goes, first of all, wave porn all day long.
Such a fucking good show. And I'm looking at this going, I want to make a show one day about how we made our national park.
How the fuck did they document this? This dude is so insane to do that. So insane to ride.
This is some of the best shit I've ever seen. I'm riveted by this.
Also, I just can watch that wave again and again and again. Those guys who do that are different humans.
But this is, it's the cinematography. It's the storytelling.
Oh, he goes down. No.
Yeah, dude. No.
Oh, the injuries are brutal. I mean, you're talking about a 70-foot wave.
Oh, my God. The weight of that water must be insane.
They literally went looking for the biggest wave. And then, just like that old tree in Ireland, this has become the thing for that town.
People come there for the wave now. How many people die there every year? They have a pretty good safety system.
They have a jet ski rescue system where if I tow you onto a wave, I feel like I know it now from watching the show. If I tow you onto a wave and you catch this epic wave, but then you get trucked and you're under 40 feet of foam and you're getting just bashed under there, when that wave goes to the shore, I have like 10 seconds to race in there with my jet ski and you got to grab on before the next wave comes.
And if you don't grab the ski, I got to leave you. And you got to go under there.
Oh my God. So as you're watching the show, you're like, do they die? Do they die do they die are they okay holy shit and the whole time they're just showing you this beautiful wave porn constant waves and you're just like this is this is and these people wake up every day and have the same affliction that i have they're just like how do i get my adrenaline they're like how do i get my adrenaline it's like i feel like i can relate you ever meet those dudes they're so calm because they're they're always coming down from it they're like oh man there's no waves today just like when you meet when you meet like certain veterans they're just like well man look we're not getting shot at today so it's all good yeah it's fascinating how calm they are kelly slater yeah have you had him in here yeah i've had him he.
Laird Hamilton's in this stock. Shane Dorian, he's a good friend of mine.

He does that shit, too.

All these guys, they're all chill dudes.

Like, real serious people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know?

Yeah, Laird shows up in there.

They have him being like, yeah, that fucking wave is crazy.

With his huge neck, he's just like, dude.

You ever see his workout where he takes weights in the pool?

And walks on the bottom of the pool.

He's a fucking maniac.

Yeah, no.

He's always been.

I mean, you just look at him.

He's just built he's built like an action figure he's he's always been incredible no days off with that guy he's incredible and that world of just wanting to constantly get on the biggest waves it's just such a nutty proposition i i totally understand it though i think it's to do something that that's it's like say say, you know, you can ride a dragon, yo, right. You know, or, you know, Elon's like, I want to go to Mars.
Like somebody tells you, look at the big, a mountain of water, right. You can fly on that.
Right. I'm in.
Right. Sign me up.
I mean, I feel like that's snowboarding and snowboarding is chiller. You're not like taking your life in your hands, but like when you're going as fast as you can on a snowboard down a mountain like man i am fucking surfing a mountain right now yeah it is it is flying it's an apex of life i feel like that when i jump on an anaconda i'm like i am going to die when i'm on a snow i don't snowboard but i ski and when i ski i'm like don't get hurt don't get hurt don't get hurt don't get hurt didn't get hurt yeah yeah don't eat a tree i've just been injured so many times in my life that I see people falling down.
The last time I skied, too, I did wipe out pretty hard. See, skis, I don't like that your legs, I feel like I'm going to tie my legs into a knot.
Yeah, but I don't like being attached to that board. Nope, because when you hit ice and you fall forward, that face smack, the teeth are coming right out.
I know a dude who got fucked up on a snowboard that way. The snowboard went up and he landed head first and just got out cold.
You know, friends had to find him. Yeah.
I teach. Somehow I've taught all my friends how to snowboard and I've never had anybody get hurt too bad.
It's always like, you know. That's crazy.
Bunny Hill to like, you know, whatever. Shane, my friend Shane Dorian that I was just talking about, he destroyed his knee snowboarding yeah slammed into a tree tore it apart had to get reconstructive surgery and you know think about that guy's whole life is riding waves shane dorian yeah yeah and he's a star now yeah awesome surfer yeah big wave surfer and so you know how to get his knee reconstructed as soon as he got fixed right back to snowboard yeah i mean dude dude, it's the thing you love.
It's the thing you love. I mean, you can't.
I don't get it. No matter how many dung beetles fly up my ass, I just keep going back to the jungle.
I understand, but I don't get it. I do understand.
I just, like, my brain didn't go down that path, but I get the path. I could have gone down that path.
I see it. I see the lure.
I see the lure of the see the lure I see the lure of the big wave I see the lure of the jungle I see it I think you do it in a lot of I think you you I'm you know I think you do a lot of things obsessively I think that when you get interested in something whether it's elk hunting or whether it's archery or whatever it is you go a hundred percent and so you kind of get that same hit from it. Yeah, I understand it.
These guys have just attached themselves to something that's insane. I think it's in everything.
I think everything is like that. There's things that human beings find that are complicated and challenging.
We gravitate towards those things because we get these rewards of accomplishment. And I think these rewards of accomplishment are built into our system of what it is to be a human being and what our purpose is on earth.
And I think that there's, you can live your whole life and not find a thing that you find challenging and rewarding. And I think that's a tragedy, because I think you're living a boring ass life.
And there's a lot of people, that's the great Thoreau quote. Most men live lives of silent desperation.
And that's real. Most people don't have a thing that they do that excites them.
It's difficult. It's challenging and rewarding.
And that's not a good life. It's a safe life, right? That's what people want.
They want a safe life. People want to retire.
I want to go off in the sunset. It's all bullshit.
You want a life filled with challenges and rewards, and you want to learn about yourself along the way. You want to make mistakes because that's how you grow.
You want to do challenging things because that's how you find out how far you can push yourself. You want to learn more because it elevates your capacity to understand things.
It's part of being a human. It's a fascinating thing that's elective.
And that's the part about it that makes it interesting. It's elective.
You don't have to do it. You can get a very plain, boring job that's not challenging or intriguing and just exist.
And you can exist on bad food and you can exist on bad information and watch television all day and never challenge your mind and just dull yourself with alcohol and slowly rot until your body gives out.

I think a lot of people clip their own wings thinking that, you know, that's not me.

Yeah, that's true, too.

I don't have access to that.

And then you don't realize that the difference between you and Goggins or McNamara is just obsession.

It's just go out and do it.

And a lot of times it's getting on a path.

And then, like, think about Goggins.

Like, when he first started that, what if he never did decide to get fit? What if he stayed that 300-pound dude who's just drinking milkshakes all day and he was big and and he couldn't even run 100 yards that's that's who he was when he first started working out and a switch flipped and he got on a path and he stayed on that path he wasn't on that path his whole life and then all of a sudden he gets on that path and becomes the the biggest psycho of all time on that path but you have to either have a traumatic event that wakes you up or some sort of just boundless innate optimism that makes you think it's possible there's a you have to have this or that I think there's a whole bunch of different things that can happen to people I think near-death experiences I think loss of a loved one I think maybe a realization that sometimes people just wake up and say I can't do this. Whatever they're doing that's boring or sucky or just soul sucking, they just get to a point where they go, I can't do this anymore.
And sometimes it's just like an alcoholic hits rock bottom. It's like, I'm not drinking anymore.
I'm fucking done. And people do, my friend Dave did that.
He never went to rehab, didn't do nothing. He crashed his car.
He got arrested because he ran away from the scene of the accident accident He was drunk driving and he said I'm never drinking again never drank again To the day died just just just quit one just reached his limit didn't go to Alcoholics Anonymous They're like you have to go. He's like no, I don't I'm just not drinking anymore I'm done and he just had to his whole life.
He was a drunk He just had to get to this point where he's like this can't be me anymore Yeah, you just discussed yourself. There's a whole bunch of different ways to get to that sometimes you get to it through inspiration Sometimes you get to it through desperation Sometimes you get to it just through intrigue like sometimes You know you walk into a jujitsu gym and you've never even done a martial art in your whole life You take a lesson and you're like, oh my god This is so fun and then five years, you're a fucking jujitsu wizard and you're obsessed with it.
You train every day and you're on this new path as a human being because you found a thing that excited you. And it could be big wave surfing.
It could be playing chess. It could be there's a probably a thing out there that resonates with you.
You just haven't had it. And then there's the thing of getting outside of your comfort zone, which people don't like to do.
That's where people struggle. Yeah, because they have never had any experience with it and they don't understand the reward of doing it.
But the people that do do it all the time, whether it's David Goggins or Jocko or anybody that you see that's like a fitness influencer or people that are like super fit, they just stay on the path. That's the key.
The is just just every fucking day is a new challenge you don't want to do it every day if you're a guy who runs marathons there's no fucking way you want to run every day but you know if you want to run a sub three hour marathon you got to run every fucking day and you got to check your heart rate and you got to make sure you're eating correctly you got to do all those those things. It's fucking hard to do.
But because it's hard to do, people get obsessed. You know, maybe they run a 5K.
They're like, I can't believe I did it. Wow, I ran three miles.
And then the next thing you go, you know what? I'm going to run a half marathon. And they prepare for a half marathon.
And the next thing you know, they're a fucking runner. Yeah.
Well, but that happens. And that's the thing that to me, what I see is so many people going, you know, especially like at this point, people go like, oh, I can't believe, you know, you do this work in the jungle.
And they go, I always wanted to do this. And I listened to when people say, I always wanted to do it.
I'm like, go do it. Yeah.
Go do it. But some people can't, right? Because some people, I mean, the reality is some people have families and they have mortgages and they have loved ones they take care of.

There's not a chance in hell you can take a father of four and all of a sudden this guy can become a jungle keeper.

He's not going to leave Ohio and quit his job in Columbus.

I mean, not full time, but I'm saying he could do something.

He could do something.

But the point is you went on this path very early.

How old were you when you first started this path?

17.

Yeah.

See, that's a good age. 17, you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world you're young you're all full of cum you're fucking crazy ambitious yeah fuck these people fuck these people and then you know there's no rules confidence and intelligence and you decided to make this a path and then you find this incredibly rewarding part of the path which is saving the rainforest and so now you have a reason to live so your life becomes filled with meaning and that's the problem with a lot of people even that have jobs that are really good jobs they don't have meaning and that's why people fill their life up with bullshit they just buy things and do cocaine and fucking you know get a luxury know, they just get these things that are trying to fill some sense of purpose and meaning because they don't really enjoy what they do.
They don't get just purely satisfied by what they actually do. They need all these other things to motivate them to keep doing it.
And then they get caught up in this numbers game where a guy only has a billion dollars feels like a loser when he's hanging out with Jeff Bezos. I never understood that dude.
I never understood what making it past a certain amount of income and not just going cool now I'm gonna go enjoy. Now I'm gonna take care of my friends.
Now I'm gonna take care of that one neighbor that I always knew needed help. Now I'm gonna do this and just start doing good with that shit and there are people who do that I could tell you as a person who grew up poor.
Yeah one one of the things that happens is First initially you worry that you're not gonna be able to maintain it. That's initial fear That's that's super super common and guys start getting like really famine It's interesting when they start making more money.
Yeah, they start getting more freaked out about money I understand that happens But there's a limit a limit see that with like a lot of Hollywood people they like change how they talk about things

They change their opinions. They want they don't want to take any risks, you know So you want to keep that gravy train rolling

But if you're doing something you enjoy doing

Then I think if you like especially if you're independent like podcasters, right?

It's a good example start making money in podcasting you like oh, this is great

Like, I just... I think if you like especially if you're independent like podcasters, right? That's a good example start making money in podcasting

You like oh, this is great Like I just can make money doing a thing that I love to do like I'm not gonna stop doing it

Why would I stop doing it? And I also can keep making a lot of money

I think I'll just keep doing it especially since I enjoy it

So I don't even think about it like doing it for the money. I think about like I would like to talk to Paul

He's an interesting dude. He lives in the Amazon.
Oh, this is my job. I get to talk to Paul.
Why would I stop? I mean, I would do this for free, but I'm not going to. Yeah, but you're also, you've changed the world of podcasting.
You've kind of like flown above that, I'm saying. But even for the normal guy at a business.
Yeah, but all that's by accident. accident i know but i'm saying a normal person makes his first five million you know what i mean like people just no no no no no now i need more you need more because you got a mortgage you got this you got that what if your kids go to college also your money's not gonna be worth as much because of inflation and what if you're if you invest in this fucking hedge fund and this and that and this goes under or what if you're idiot and you invest in NFTs or Bitcoin.
I know a dude who just lost a shitload of money in crypto coin. You get nutty and you think it's free money.
And like, no, it's some kind of crazy thing that's going on where you got fake money, some weird created money, and you just spent a lot of real money to buy some of this weird like fucking imaginary money it's digital money do you want to buy a uh what were those things those fake pictures that people bought for a while nfts yeah that was what was that what was that about that what was that that was crazy bro and they sold for millions of dollars i know a dude who made he, he got rich. He was an artist.
Yeah, but then. He got rich selling NFTs.
Yeah, yeah. In the beginning when everyone was like frothy with it.
It sold and then they dropped to nothing. So I always have all these people coming up to me and they're like, oh man, you're trying to raise money for the rainforest? And they're like, you need to get into the NFT market.
So I almost got got by the NFT people. Yeah.
No, I've had multiple occasions where I've been asked to do things for NFTs and I've been asked to do things with crypto. And I was like, I don't even know what it is.
So how the fuck am I going to do? How am I going to endorse? Like I won't endorse something unless it's a product that I've used or makes sense or they can explain to me. Oh, this is how it works.
Okay. It makes sense But if you're doing something like an NFT like Jamie tried to explain to me like six or seven times Yeah, and I was like, okay, but you have it on your phone, right? So I can take a screenshot and I have it on my phone too.
Yeah, no, but you don't own it. Okay What does that mean? I have this I have the same thing you have the exact same experience Of having this million dollar yacht ape Is that what it was called? No, it's a board ape was the board ape was the apes fucking cartoon picture of a monkey It would they call though.
It was a yacht apes or board apes Was there was like one that a lot of people were buying and I was like what the fuck are you paying money for this? It's's called the board board oh that's what it is okay board show show an image of what these fucking things are and what was the most expensive one that went for by the way that's an nft okay thing yeah but that's that's a whole different yeah that's elon musk that's okay did it just change color because we talked about it? Yeah, that's Elon Musk.

Did it just change color because we talked about it?

Yeah, that thing is... That's like a digital piece of art.

That's a completely different thing.

So you have to plug it in?

Yeah, but that thing was a gift from an artist.

What the fuck is his name?

I forgot his name real quick.

Beeple.

Oh yeah, I've heard of his name.

Sorry, Beeple.

But Beeple, he puts up digital art every fucking day.

So he has like a gallery.

And you're... What the fuck's the name of? I forgot his name real quick.
Beeple. Oh, yeah, I've heard his name.
Sorry, Beeple. But Beeple, he puts up digital art every fucking day.
So he has, like, a gallery, and you go there, and there's this giant digital art. It's like those kind of NFTs make sense.
This thing is like a shit cartoon. And how much did they go for? I mean, I saw those numbers at the bottom right there are showing.
That would be, I think it's Ether. So 111 Ether would be the price.
That's $3,000 a coin right now. So it'd be $300,000.
$300,000? It said it was sold at $769,000. But you could just screenshot it.
So it was sold at $769,000. So it was sold at close to a million dollars.
And what is that? Getting into the screenshot thing is a tough thing because it's like you own a car, but me having a picture of your car on my phone doesn't mean I own your car. Yeah, but you don't understand what I just said earlier.
I said it's the exact same experience. Yeah, I know.
The experience of having it on your phone is very different than the experience of you having a picture of my car. The same with any art, then.
That's just the argument for art, then. No, but it's not.
A car's a bad example. But Mona Lisa, I can look at the Mona Lisa on my phone all day long.
I don't own it. Right.
But there's a big difference between owning the Mona Lisa on your phone. So the Mona Lisa was only on a phone, and you could just screenshot it, and you would also have the exact same experience of the Mona Lisa.
The difference in the physical Mona Lisa is it's hundreds of years old, and it's painted by a master. You don just own it on your phone is the sort of the thought.
But you do. Where do you own it then? But the thing is you can replicate.
Your phone's an access point to where you do own it. That's like saying your bank account is only on your phone, but it's not.
I hear what you're saying, but it's not the same because there's no real value in that NFT. It's fake.
The experience of having it is no different. It's not like, that you're saying that it's money, and you're going to trade it as money.
I agree with everything you're saying as someone that is invested in this stuff. How much did you waste? I didn't waste any because I was getting stuff when it was cheap.
I bought it at the right time. I could have sold it and made a bunch of money, but I did not.
I would have had to pay taxes on all that money too. Right.
Which I don't know if people are doing or did and all that stuff. It's all so kooky.
The thing I was going to bring up is I'm into sports cards now. Those are, why is that stuff worth money? Well, because they're original physical things.
And then they're also like have serial numbers on them. I guess if you had a fake one.
That's where you don't know if anyone's faking it. But the thing is the real ones You're also getting like a little piece of history like this this arrowhead if somebody made this arrowhead and I didn't know because guys do Make arrowheads.
There's a lot of modern-day people that make arrowheads, but this one was found at a friend of mine's ranch I have a bunch of these I have a few of them at home They're they're fucking amazing because these are like little windows into a time in history that was not that long ago that was right here.

And they're all over the place.

And somebody made that.

Somebody made that.

And it took a long-ass time.

And then they had to make the rods for the arrows.

Which is not that easy.

No.

No, it's not. If we went out in the forest right now and we said, okay, let's find a perfectly straight perfectly straight stick Well, not only that you have to use sinew to make the string for your bow Yeah, you have to know what woods to use for the bow you have to know how to harden those woods and If you're making a recurve bow now, it's even now you're talking even crazier That's that's even if you're just trying to make a simple yeah a simple long bow and um.
And you have to be accurate with that thing. And so that means you have to have enough arrows to practice with.
Yeah. Fire is the same thing.
Every time I try and show someone how to make fire, it's like, this is such a process. It's such a process.
Just to get fire started. Yeah.
Which is, again, it's so much fun being out in the jungle. Because whoever you are, no matter how rich you are, no matter how is You're out in the jungle You're shitting with the dung beetles.
Do you bring fire starter? You know that stuff that so like they sell they have like bricks of this stuff Or cords of it you cut off a little bit of a piece of it And then you have a flint and a piece of steel and you knock the two of them together like this this deal Those rods the yeah the ferro rod exactly that's exactly what it is right and you um you light that stuff and it it's it's soaked in chemicals it's probably fucking terrible to breathe in but that will keep fire for a long time and you can use it to start fires yeah we don't we we i mean we just i mean usually we just have a lighter with us but it's there have been times that's the problem. So the only real way, especially in the rainy season, the wood is soaked through.
Like if this was a stick, it's soaked through and through. It's not going to burn.
You have to be very creative. You have to like put some diesel fuel in a tuna can and make a fire over that and then let that burn for a little bit.
So it dries everything out? So it dries everything out. And then like even then it's a very like, it's not a very enthusiastic fire.
Right. It's like, I guess I'll burn if you need me to.
You're trying to like cook a pot of beans and it's your last pot of beans and it's all the food you got. Oh my God.
It's a pain in the ass. Things don't want to burn.
But when there's rain, we're happy. So you never bring like a little Bunsen burner, those little camp, those little lightweight ones? No.
No? No. And honestly, that's a great idea for expeditions.
But what we do, we bring these big propane tanks and just throw it on the boat. And if you can't bring that, then nothing but like what we have at the camping stores here, they have like the little ones that go in your backpack.
They just don't sell those in where we go. Right.
You know, so like you can't bring that on the plane. Oh, you can't? No.
You can't bring a propane tank on a plane you can't like like if you go to like rei and buy a whatever those little camp stoves have in them you can't bring that on the plane so is there a place where you can receive packages we can get it shipped to you yeah we could probably get it shipped to lima and then have it shipped down or whatever else but i mean right now we have a system that works but again to me this may be me being like a you know like a luddite but it's like when we're out on expeditions like to me i'm i want everyone's shit off like people are go i have this new device i can get network anywhere i'm like turn it off that makes sense turn it off this the thing about this is it helps you boil water jet boils what they call them so it's this little thing it's got a little tank and it lasts for days. Yeah, you just cook it up when you want to cook food You know you turn it on you have a little thing with you and freeze-dried food and shit That's a lot of these guys pack when they go 30 miles deep into the woods Yeah, you can make a coffee if you want to yeah I brought a guy who used to work at National Geographic on an expedition with me and it was a couple local guys me and my friend Mohsen and him and we went up this river and in hindsight he was like he actually thought we were messing with him he was like this can't be what you guys do he was like you just have a fucking boat and tents he was like it was the bugs, the sand, the brutal, the sun beating he was like why don't you have a fucking roof do you become accustomed to the bug bites? yeah so is it just you just deal with it or does your body develop any kind of an antibody to it or anything to the to the sand fly bites like me and jj get bitten and we bleed but we don't get the like the the the elevated skin like that so your body doesn't react to it anymore dude wasp bites i don't even react to bullet ant bites anymore dude i'm on number 11

what are you talking about i'm talking about like i just got bit by a bullet as i was trying to go

to bed i got up to go to bed i was like doing something with people i stood up and i know the

feeling by now you're just like oh there it is again bit me right in the foot i just went to bed

no way yeah they're stopping it's it's starting to lose its efficiency efficacy on me wow i didn't

know that that was the case because i saw those rites of passage thing that they do they take

Thank you. It's starting to lose its efficiency on me.
Wow. I didn't know that that was the case because I saw those Rites of passage thing that they do they take these guys the glove and they fill their hand up with bullet ants And they have the bullet and stuck in the gloves they can't go anywhere So they just keep fucking you up and it's supposed to be some thing that they do that is like a religious experience It's it's a it's a right of experience.
It's a rite of passage.

So they'll pair.

It's kind of like a bonding thing.

Find a video of that, James.

It's a fucking mad.

Rite of passage thing.

They'll take a young man, do it to him,

and then they'll have a girl take care of him afterwards.

And it's sort of trying to encourage them to pair up.

Oh.

I know that Steve-O did it.

I saw a video of Steve-O sticking it. Of course he did that, retard.

Steve-O came and talked to him. I'm like, please stop.
Please stop. Don't let people punch you.
Please stop. Don't let this happen.
Just take care of yourself. Please stop.
You've done so much. Yeah.
He's so banged up. He's such a wild man.
Have you ever seen the one when he was in Africa and he climbed up the trees and a lion climbed up the trees with him and pulled his hat off? Yeah. Those are real lions Those are real lions.
I always wanted to ask about that because he's in a hammock

and they have meat hanging from the hammock

and there's lions biting their asses.

Yeah, I don't understand him.

He looks good.

They play keep away with hyenas.

So he's got it on.

He's freaking out.

Yeah.

Let me hear some volume.

And the next day, Chris's hand looked like Mickey Mouse. Yeah.
What a fucking psycho. Wild Boys was the show.
So you can get stung by those things now. And I thought it was like, my friend Steve got it.
He said it was like 12 hours of excruciating pain. And he said he could barely walk.
My first one was like that. My first one was like that.
I was like out. Like your lymph nodes swell up.
You have horrible pain in your body. You have a headache.
One bite. One bite to the arm.
And now. Did you do it on purpose? Yeah.
Oh. Well, because the guys were like, yo, what up? They're like, you think you're tough? Big guy? Down there, I'm big.
Up here, I'm not big. Down there, they're like, oh, you're a big guy.
Does anybody work out? You're the the only guy works out in the jungle uh you're out there doing chin they're out there like what the fuck is this guy doing I'm sure they do because I'm in the sun with my shirt off doing push-ups sit-ups pull-ups doing my my jungle workout and they're like walking by like what's wrong with gringo loco why does he do this crazy fucker yeah but then I go climb the giant trees and I'm like all right listen you know yeah you want to come and they're like no but they so they said you think you're tough uh so they took a bullet ant and and you play bullet ant roulette you just you know so we each take a bullet ant and i put it on my arm so it starts walking around and then you take your arm and we just mash our forearms together and we go like this oh boy whoever it stings Oh, boy. It's it's a great drinking game super fun dude you mix that with shots really fun awesome sounds really fun so much so you were wrecked for how long how about a day and a half i took it really bad that's not fun i took it really bad you and i have a different understanding of fun the excitement of wondering who it's gonna hit is fun i not know.
Dude. I don't want to know what that feels like.

See, that's different.

When I see the wet paint sign, I go, really?

I don't.

I go, let's paint.

Somebody painted it.

I don't respect that guy's work.

No, no.

I can never.

I have to.

And with the dumbest things, too.

People could be like.

So how many times did you do it voluntarily?

Once.

Did you do that?

Okay, once.

No, never more than once. And every other time after that was just.
Every other time than that, you're just doing your life and there's a bullet ant. Pain rating.
Four plus on the Schmidt Siding Pain Index. What the fuck is Schmidt? Sting Pain Index.
The highest possible rating. And you can just go to sleep after that? Causes waves of pain for up to 12 hours after a single sting.
No, I... Being studied for use in biological insecticides.
Of course it is. Of course it is.
Paralyzes insects and causes pain in humans. Affects voltage-gated sodium channels and blocks synaptic transmission in the central nervous system.
Yo, how many people die from bullet ants? I don't know, but it does feel like something that at the level where you have it as a glove could kill you.

Yeah.

I feel like,

given the intensity

that my system felt from one.

Do you think that those people

have already been stung

a couple of times?

Yeah, those kids have grown up

being stung.

So JJ said he didn't have shoes

until he was 13,

so he grew up walking

through the jungle.

He said he had his first

bullet ant sting

when he was like two years old.

Oh my God.

Which like as a two-year-old, that's like being stung in the face by like a wasp the size of this water pitcher.

Imagine what that feels like if you're a baby, a soft, mushy baby, and that ant just fucks you.

And so they are experiencing it akin to what you experience now.

So when they're putting the glove on, even though it's horrific and it's getting their whole hand and there's a bunch of those bullet ants in there they're probably much more custom i think that they have because they've grown up in the jungle they're much much more custom but i mean you're watching steve-o do it like i would think twice before putting my hand in that glove and not having a hospital nearby because i would think that you could go that could be overwhelming to your system they're very intense it's not a joke like i could get bitten by a bullet right now and go all right well we're going to do the rest of our day because i feel like it but what you really want to do is just stop living because it just even today everywhere even so everywhere so is it that you just accept the pain and you understand what it is and you don't freak out? Or is it your pain threshold, has it lowered because you've done it a bunch of times so your body's immune to it? Yes. It has to lower to the point that you can make the decision to grit and bear it.
Because at first, it's so bad that you walk around going, and wow and you're like wait okay if i walk i'm in pain if i lay down i'm in more pain if i there's nothing you can do right nothing you can do you just fucked and so now it's different and now i'm like man god damn it and i'm like well let's go do what we're gonna do anyway i'm just gonna be in a bad mood a wasp sting to a normal person yeah and so a wasp sting to me, like I'll just catch a wasp now because like I was like, you know, like I come home and I see people like running from a yellow jacket and I'm like, I'll just like grab it with my hand, let it sting. We were talking about this yesterday.
I genuinely think that people must feel pain differently and it makes sense that some people just, I don't even think it's a tolerance thing. I think it feels different.
I think that's sort of like the same thing with spicy food. And there's a bunch of different things like that.
Cold water. There's things that people can tolerate.
And it seems like they're not just being tougher. No.
Like it's not as hard for them. Like there's a, you know, maybe their ancestry evolved around being in pain all the time.
So they got accustomed to it. Physical makeup.
Dude, my friend Noel, my childhood best friend, he always calls calls me he goes dude you want to go surfing in montauk and i go bro it's february it's fucking february there's gonna be ice on the water and he's like yeah but the swell is awesome we'll wear wetsuits so one time i tried it with him i will never do it again so you're your hands in a wetsuit or no no oh boy booties boots on it's so fucking, every time a wave washes over you, it goes flying down your back. Of course.
You're in ice cold water. And yes, the waves are incredible.
I don't care. And you can't breathe, right? I mean, it's so, it's like, I mean, you do the cold plunge all the time and it's like.
Yeah, but I'm not moving. And you're not out there for four hours.
Exactly. And you're not sitting on your board waiting for a wave to come.
I knees but but so to me i look at nolan i go shit either he's way tougher than i am or he just is predisposed to not really giving a shit about cold water i hate cold it could be that but it or is it could be you get acclimated you get accustomed because we're talking about people yeah we adjust to our to our environments We just all kinds of different things you probably get accustomed to that experience and the rush of riding those waves Yeah, is and it's also there's a thing about being a badass putting that wetsuit on well That's where it gets ocean. That's where it gets me work.
We goes now. I'm gonna make myself do it That's where I get myself it, where it's like there is a certain satisfaction to going, yeah, take it.

Take another frozen wave.

If you're warm in your house and you're looking outside and it's fucking snowing and it's ice on the ground and you're looking at your wetsuit, you're warm.

You're warm.

Ah, you're drinking soup.

Warm coffee.

You know, you got some chicken noodle soup.

Oh, you're just so warm and you're watching television.

Why would I go to the ocean? Good mood. Are you guys really going to go? Let's not go.
You sure you want to go? Come on, pussy. We're going to go.
And the guy comes back with fucking icicles in his beard and shit. Yeah.
And we admire those people. Well, you fucking savage.
You said you wake up cold and go in your cold plunge. That's not that hard.
That's terrible. It's not that hard.
To wake up cold and not do any push-ups or something? If you told me you worked up a sweat first... No.
I would say, okay, fine. I do it sometimes after the sauna, but then I always finish on the cold.
Yeah, but that feels good. If I do that, I never go cold, sauna, heat up, and then go outside.
I go sauna, cold, sauna, always end on cold. So you always freeze your dick off at the end.
Oh, God. But it's not that hard.
It's three minutes. If you count slowly to 10 two times, it's three minutes.
That's what I've found. So I just count slowly to 10 for three minutes, and that's it.
I respectfully disagree with you. I think this is one of those things where you have you have found that this is a way for you to sort of flex for yourself and

you've gotten used to it and you've come up with a system.

I would never,

I just do certain things.

I just don't want to do.

Yeah.

It sucks.

I don't want to do it every day.

Every day.

I don't want to do it,

but I tell myself,

shut the fuck up,

pussy,

pick up the lid.

Yes.

Put it down,

climb in.

You know,

you're climbing in.

Stop. Set your, Oh, I do want to say Garmin.
Your new Fenix 8 watch shuts off when you get in the cold plunge. No.
Yeah, so this is a... I have a Fenix 8 and I have a Fenix 7.
They're awesome. I love these things.
But the Fenix 7 I have to wear when I do the cold plunge. So if I work out with that one...
But this one has a better heart sensor. This one's just better overall.
But it sucks that if you go in cold water, it doesn't even make any sense. Like, how did you go backwards? The old one, you go into cold water and nothing happens.
Underwater operating temperature range 0 to 40. Yeah, that's not true.
So Google this. Phoenix 8 shutting off cold plunge.
Google that. Trust me, I looked it up online.
It's not just me. Yeah.
See? Watch turns off and reboots in cold water. Yeah.
That's what everybody notices. So if I'm in the water for five seconds, it shuts off.
Damn. Yeah.
So they're apparently going to fix that. They think it's a, I hope it's a software issue.
They better fix it now. But the crazy thing is they have a dive feature on this watch.
So if you're swimming and you're diving and you're in cold water, it's going to shut off. That could, I mean, if you're down there and you're like, how much time do I got on this tank? Exactly.
You can't have your watch turned off. Right.
And if you get down to depths and it's below 40 degrees, it's probably going to shut off. I don't even know what temperature it shuts off, but people have done it in cold water.
So they've taken a glass of cold water and dropped the watch in cold water and it shuts off. Not good, Garmin.
It's just not good that you just released this thing and didn't know. And didn't check it.
How did you not check for cold plunges when you got a dive function on the watch interesting? Yeah, so Apparently they think they could fix it with software, which I hope is true. Well, that would be good But the seven works that's it doesn't make any sense.
I've never had a problem with the seven I put the seven on the sauna. I put it on the cold never have a problem with it Yeah, well, I'm like that watch cold kryptonite The message boards say it's a software issue and you can fix it by putting it in beta if you know how to do that right but beta disables the dive function woof yeah so the beta that they put out it disables the dive function i think there there's some talk of another workaround like maybe shutting off the uh touch screen that maybe that would help but the problem is it's like you have a watch that everybody's used to cold plunging in they're used to jumping in the ocean in they're used to doing stuff in and then the new one doesn't let you do it that's you can't release that you've got to fix that before you didn't have to sell it yesterday yeah i mean it just came out, like, I think September.
I ordered one. It took a while to get there.
I was all excited. And then first cold plunge, I'm like, what in the fuck? That's a wolf tooth.
That's a wolf tooth? Yeah. Nice.
I forget who gave me that one. Yeah, I got a lot of shit here, man, from cool stuff that people have given me.
But, you know, having things like that, like a watch that does gps like this watch has maps on it yeah shows your elevation you can get a lot of information off of these things and you could track waypoints on them and i always use a thing called onyx hunt as well and onyx hunt is a software app you download maps for the specific regions and you can hit a tracking function. No, it doesn't.
I bet don't know how to do it i don't do it on your phone i just do it on my phone i use this mostly for elevation you can use gps on it but it will drain your battery a lot quicker because if you don't use the if i don't use the uh gps function this thing will go like 30 plus days with without charging without charging yeah and monitoring your heart rate doing all kinds of different shit it's a flashlight it's built in a flashlight yeah look at that flashlight built in it's nuts so if you're out in the woods and you don't have a flashlight it's led flashlight it lasts for fucking ever because it's led because it doesn't draw a lot of power.

These fucking things are incredible.

But this new one.

Yeah.

You guys fucked up.

But having those things, like, do you bring an inReach or anything?

Well, I mean, because we also do tourism.

We bring out a sat phone.

But now, dude, now Starlink.

Right.

Now at our base, at the Treehouse and at our research station, we have two different Starlinks.

So we have better internet there than I have in the Hudson Valley in New York.

Dude, I can... Isn't that incredible?

It is.

It is.

It's absolutely incredible.

It really is amazing.

It's amazing how small it is, too.

You can also take it and put it on a boat if you need to.

So I finally...

Lex broke me down on this.

I finally started a YouTube channel, and it's like, I'm going to start bringing people on all kinds of shit. Because now I can just stream it from there.
Right. Fuck TV crews.
You could have it linked on the roof of your car as you're driving around the jungle. Yeah, well, hopefully there's no roads.
But I want to take people, like I could literally. Put it on your backpack.
I could put it on my backpack. Yeah, you probably could literally have it flat on the top of your pack and walk around, at least catch some signal.
Catch some signal or, you know, for the boat. Like if we go, look, we're going to be going four hours upriver and we know that there's an invasion and we're going with the police to go check out these loggers.
There's going to be some fucking action going down. Throw the Starlink on the boat.
I could live stream that and take people with me. Whoa.
Yeah. Or now, so we, a few weeks ago, I sent you that picture of that huge anaconda.

Yeah.

The one with me. Whoa.
Yeah. Or now, so we, a few weeks ago, I sent you that picture of that huge anaconda.
Yeah. The one with the blue eyes.
Yeah. And we've been working slowly on breaking the 20-foot mark.
That one was 19-something. And so we've been working more and more on the anaconda project.
And my guys, and you know, like when you have your people with elk hunting where they go, dude, I saw an elk. And certain people you trust.
My guys, they went, we found one that's over seven meters. And they haven't caught it yet.
You're talking over 21 feet. So we've broken 19, right? And so we're going to be going out for that.
And so that's the type of thing where i'm going imagine bringing people because i after our first show the comments were hysterical where people going this guy's full of shit like absolutely hysterical like people just about the anacondas about everything we talked about oh that's fun like the internet was just like great show documentation of it i know i know but all they have to do is go to your page they were like oh this guy really is there some of them were really funny i laugh at a lot of the comments they're like oh i'll take that never fucking happened for 300 alex like you know it's like okay great well people always want to say that people always want to say that but but but now it's like now we can fucking live stream this right and we go jump on a snake with a head this big so we're

putting together an expedition to do this now and it's it's uh it's it's gonna be fun so in these areas that you do that you go to have they ever done any of those lidar explorations of it where they fly drones over to try to map out if there was some ancient structures in these areas yeah So we talked to the local people and they find the, uh, the terra preta earth and the,

and the pottery in the areas that it is so usually the places that it is and we kind of talked about this that grant like you know the graham graham hancock yeah i always want to say graham walkins um graham hancock um i think that on the amazon proper i think there was a lot of civilizations out in the triaries where I am, it's very rare to come across those things, those ancient civilizations. So those people, the uncontacted tribes out in the tributaries, they're probably living the way they've been living for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
So my book publisher, it was so funny. I got kind of like, I was writing something and I said something about these Stone Age warriors.
What this guy must have seen as these Stone Age warriors came and murdered him with arrows. And they were like, how dare you call them Stone Age warriors? And I went, they don't even have stones.
So first of all. Right.
They're really stick age. Yeah.
Did I just get woked for? So dumb. Is Stone Age a bad thing to say? But I mean, it's not very often that you come into that problem because we wouldn't call most normal people stone age people native americans were essentially stone age well he uses it in empire of the summer moon he goes well these stone age warriors are da da da and i was like well these are pretty much stone age people and so i i wrote it and i basically got told like hey don't say that god how weird is that yeah i also lost a book deal because i retweeted that elon musk liked our tree house but he lost a book deal because I retweeted that Elon Musk liked our treehouse.
She lost a book deal? Yeah. Really? I had an amazing meeting with all the people.
This lady was like the Devil Wears Prada, Meryl Streep. She was the big head honcho at one of the major publishers.
And they were like, dude, your next book is going to kill. She had like 20 other people on this Zoom call.
We had like an hour long thing. We talked about you.
She was like, and how close are you with Joe Rogan? And I was like, we're bros. And then they were like, well, you know, either way, it was going really good.
And I'm thinking I was thinking I was going to get a life changing amount of money. I was thinking I was going to get like a million dollar book deal.
And that got confirmed through a bunch of avenues that it was a big one. And then, and they were very impressed with Lex.
They love Lex. And she was like, you have Lex Friedman in the Amazon? I said, he's right over there.
I was like on the phone on Starlink talking to this publisher. And she's like, so your next book is going to tell the whole story? I said, yeah.
And then that week, Elon tweeted, cool treehouse. Now, when the greatest inventor of your generation tweets on anything that you did you share it so I shared it the publisher got back and went not only are we not even we're just not making an offer anymore wow they don't like the type of people that I associate with just you retweeting that you sure it wasn't me no it was him they v.
They were like, how close are you with him? And I was like, listen to me. He's the fucking nicest guy in the world.
I was like, you can't. And they were like, would he write a forward for your book? And I was like, I think I need a more Harrison Ford to do that.
I don't know. Joe could do it.
But I was like, I think we need a less polar less polar like famous they just that that's all they were doing that's all they were doing famous people to say you're awesome but but but as soon as elon's name came into the mix i didn't know this crazy i was unaware of this that elon has people that hate him hate him i didn't know that well it's a lot of propaganda that really works and a lot of it is what happened when he took over Twitter so you have to look at it from like what what really happened was there real outrage when he took over Twitter yes yes there was real outrage I firmly believe there's manufactured outrage that's done in a very directed manner and I think he was most certainly the victim of that as well. And then there was a narrative that continued to get pushed, like hate speech on X, hate speech.
That he's promoting it. Yes.
That anti-Semitism, that racism, that all this stuff is up. Well, if you allow people to just speak freely, you're going to have that.
You're going to have that. But you can always not look at that.
But you're also going to have many more good things too. And the point was, what he really exposed was that the FBI was involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story and that these journalists who studied the Twitter files, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Barry Weiss and all these different people that went over these documents found that, hey, there's something very inappropriate happening where the government is getting these social media companies to take down true stories and to sign off and say that it's Russian disinformation.
And Elon confirmed this. And Elon confirmed this.
Yeah. So that's when he became very dangerous to them.
And so then the narrative of Elon being a white supremacist and Elon being, you know, but then the thing that happens also is he will tweet wacky shit and then he will retweet wacky shit that turns out to not be true and all that they attack and it builds up and you get a distorted perception of his value in our culture and our society. And he's one of the greatest inventors the world's ever known one of the greatest engineers we have alive and he's involved in multiple different industries and he's changing those multiple industries in in incredible ways what they've done with space travel with spacex where these fucking rockets can land now yeah what they've done with these starlink things that we were talking about.
Incredible. If it wasn't for Tesla and electric cars, do you really think there'd be as many electric cars as there are today? It wouldn't even be close.
You wouldn't have Governor Newsom saying that California has to be all electric by 2035, because no one would be making electric fucking cars like that. There's a documentary from early 2000s.

It's called Who Killed the Electric Car?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I saw that in college.

Fascinating.

You want some coffee?

Yeah.

Fascinating documentary.

And if it wasn't for Elon and making Tesla's awesome,

you wouldn't have all these fucking electric car companies.

And he makes everything open source.

Okay, and that's all fine.

But my problem is people that take the guy who's trying to save the butterflies and the monkeys yeah and kick me out for that for naughty i've never even met the guy dude it's akin to being a nazi so i have to pretend to not like him right to align with their worldview it's what i was talking about with hollywood when i was talking about how people start making money and they start being very careful about what they say because they're worried about it's gonna go away you also realize there are consequences like what you experienced so those are real time so that's it yeah and so minor right so that is how you get people to stay in line that's how you get people to only think the way they think and then you start reinforcing it in yourself and you start wearing pearls and doing all kinds of wacky shit because you want them to like you. You want them to think you're one of them.
No, that was really creepy because, you know, I mean, I live in the jungle, but I hear about all this stuff, but I don't know who the players are and what the temperature is in the room. You just thought it was cool that the guy said you have a cool treehouse.
He's like one of the coolest guys ever. If this guy goes to fucking Mars, a historically relevant inventor said something I did was cool great share it, you know, and it cost you a million bucks.
Yeah This is the world we're living in that's why and it's primary primarily the left That's that wacky like if Bernie Sanders had said cool treehouse and you write it would have that, everybody would have loved you. You would have been fine and the right wouldn't have attacked you.
No. They wouldn't have cared.
They wouldn't have been upset. You wouldn't have lost businesses.
No one from the right would have not given you a book deal because Bernie said nice treehouse and you're like, thanks. Cool.
And you retweeted. No one would would care it could have been obama it could have been anything i mean that by the way that was so super cool i loved it you you uh my friend sent me my friend connor sent me a clip where you were telling one of your guests about me and so i shared it but it was like the first time that i shared a clip where it was like really just you talking on my instagram and the comments were berserk.
I didn't realize you were such a polarizing person, Joe. It's the same thing.
It's the same thing. It's a distorted perception of who you are by people that have very low level information.
They have surface information and they've decided that you're an alt-right this. Or there's been many, many articles written about me being like some fringe right-wing person, which I'm not at all.
But if they say it enough times, the people that have low information, they believe it. Well, but this is where I'm interested in when you say like, okay, and this is like the shit that's going on in Israel, the hysteria that everyone's feeling.
You're either a good guy or a bad guy. Elon's good.
If you like Elon, you're bad. I just want to see everybody everybody start to calm down i just want to see the adults be running the room again i think i think that's cute no no no no no pre pre 9 11 i'm sorry when i was a kid and let's just like we'll go back to like i was in eighth grade in 9 11 somehow back then it seemed like i know there's still corruption and there's a lot of fuckery going around on but somehow things have gotten more off the rails with this this stuff where it's like, you know, remember the Obama Romney debate where they're like, yo, man, what's up? Right.
Like, we disagree, but we agree. Like, we're both gentlemen here.
Like, come on. Come on.
Super cordial. Yes.
It's very nice. Yeah.
And so, like, I think I think that what I've seen in the last few months or in the last year was that is that a lot of people again, I really speaking from my perspective here and i'm just kind of hoping that this is the case for the rest of the world that people are chilling the fuck out and some people are waking up and realizing how stupid it is and how most of the problems that we have are bullshit yeah in terms of problems we have with each other but then the next thing is is then then we can actually start focusing on if we're not hysterical and we're not doing all this crazy shit then we can actually start focusing on okay well look how do we fix things in the congo how do we fix things in the africa how do we in in the amazon like how do we pragmatically fix things so that the american food system is better and everyone benefits and stop fucking arguing over it yeah and to realize that this is not a right wing or left wing issue. It's a human health issue.
A very unhealthy way to argue. And also like real charitable organizations like real ones like what you're doing.
It's actually helping things. It's actually designed to help.
It's not designed as some sort of a front to cover money and as a tax shelter. There's a lot of philanthropy.
That's good. Yeah, a lot of it, a lot of it.
But then there's also a lot of philanthropy that's not really philanthropy. Posturing.
It's money. Sure.
You're making money with this philanthropy. You've got economic.
Well, that's the thing. So now that I have an NGO, we went and looked up all the other NGOs and like a lot of the NGOs, their CEOs are making $500,000 a year, like like big paychecks.
So and that's where I do think it's, you know, gets weird. It gets really weird.
But I think also that what I told the first story I told you about, like when how we we save the ancient forest. It's like what we've done that's very exciting that we're feeling this swell we're kind of riding this wave right now is because the the guy with four kids or you know we had classically i had this mom in ohio message me and she was like i have two kids i show them your instagram i love what we do we give you five dollars a month and it's like five dollars a month from enough people and we saved the whole fucking amazon yeah not to mention that then people like dax da silva from light speed reach out and he's like look man i won capitalism i'm gonna fund your whole ranger team and it's like people are reaching out that's amazing and so we and so i'm surrounded by all these incredible people that that want to do good i got approached by those dudes that beat uh vivo barefoot shout out to vivo barefoot theyves, I use their stuff all the time.
So they're my first sponsor.

That's great. They reached out to me.

They make great shit.

Well, I also, I hate hiking boots, right?

Those barefoot hiking boots are legit.

The ones they make, they're legit.

Well, I like theirs. I hate hiking boots that are constrictive.

So they reached out, and this is the cool thing.

They went, you know, are you interested?

But it was like, only if you check out.

They were like, are you good? Are you sustainable? Are you are you this and i was like i run a fucking rainforest organization and they were like because and these guys care so much about their shoe and about how people wear it about where it's used in the materials and i just read um yvonne chenard's book uh let my people go surfing the guy who started patagonia dude he i mean he just worships rivers and mountains and and and they started making this stuff and i just i just think i just think we're on this cusp of that we still can save a lot of the endangered species i mean i'm i'm living miracles every day i'm like i'm like watching us draw in this map of protecting the amazon and when you're one third you're you're like, we're going to do it. And so it's like I just think that as people – I got really scared when I got woked.
That Elon Musk thing was so weird. I was like we all got to just take it down.
I got woked. I got woked.
You got attacked. Right in the face.
I got dick left. And it's such an innocuous thing you did.
It's so funny. But that's like wrong think, think wrong speak you're not allowed to like this guy

well that's the thing who am i allowed to like that's it doesn't none of it makes any sense

it doesn't make any sense so i gotta stay in the jungle people are just so polarized and it's also

you have to realize that the pressure yeah that they're under is not from that many people it's

like the commenters on instagram unfortunately the reality is most people comment on things all the

time are morons and they're not happy they're unhappy morons so it's a bad sample group right so you're getting a lot of people that are making comments but people if they're commenting they can't I would like to know like what percentage of comments and just overall if the internet if anybody's ever done this analysis are positive versus negative I would have to say it's It's probably at least 50-50. Yeah, I would say it's 50-50.
Again, I think I'm jaded, though, because when I look at, like, if I look at the YouTube comments on a Lex podcast, all the comments are like, thank you, Lex, for having this important conversation with this amazing person. Lex's fans.
Lex's fans are great. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know of the support that I get online, people tell me I look like the lead singer of System of a Down. Other than that, there's nothing negative.
Yeah, right. Little bit.
Middle Eastern features. Hey, man.
Serge Tankin's a fucking hero. He's a dope dude.
I love that guy. Yeah, he's awesome.
I listen to his music every day. If you're getting compared, that's a good guy to get compared to.
But this polarization is just like there's a bunch of people that feed into it and they attack people because they know that the people that are on their side are like, yeah, you're one of the good guys. And so there's that weird shit where you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people.
That's a lot of what it is. It's a lot of people that lack nuance and understanding.
But don't you think it's coming back? Don't you think we hit a peak and now it's starting to come back? Yeah, because those people are kind of being exposed for what they really are. They're very damaged human beings.
Like the people that attack people all the time, they're all fucked up. All of them, 100%.
Because why would you... You only have so much energy in your day.
Why are you spending it getting mad at some guy because he retweeted the greatest genius of our generation said nice treehouse that's fucking ridiculous it's a ridiculous thing to get angry about i'll tell you one of the conversations i heard recently was this is like such a simple point but someone i know was going you know how and i forgive me i don't understand these issues he was going how dare they make a mandatory minimum wage they're going to raise the minimum wage or whatever else i was watching two people and one guy was passionately going off about this and he was i think a republican my other friend was sitting there and it was such a great thing that he did he went that is he goes i 100 disagree with you he goes but could you explain to me why you think what you think and they had this amazing conversation where they just debated yeah. Yeah, that's great.
And it was with respect. And I was like, oh, fuck, cool.
I watched it like it was a podcast because I don't know who, I don't know any of this shit anyway. So I was just like, I don't know.
It's a complicated issue. It's about restaurants and places that operate at the margins.
They're very close to going under all the time. And you can get cheap, unskilled labor from like young kids and high school students and people getting first jobs.
And that's how they operate. And when you say, no, you have to pay a living wage to everybody who works there.
They're like, okay, now this is a lot less money. As a business owner.
Yeah. But the point was, though, that they were able to completely disagree and go, I completely fucking disagree with you.
No. And it was fine.
It's great when people can do that. I love that.
I think that's great. When people don't attach themselves to the ideas, that's the problem.
It's almost every man that I know has a hard time. Women do it too, but for men, it's like a dick swinging thing where they have a hard time not being attached to an idea.
Like if they've espoused an idea, if they believe in idea and they're're arguing that idea That idea is a part of them. Yeah, and they'll even lie and fuck around with things and like half truths To try to make their point make a little you know They'll do bad faith arguments you see it on podcasts all the time when people make bad faith arguments about political issues You're like oh god now.
I'm never gonna listen to you again because I know you do this thing that's a gross thing that you don't have to do anymore because we live in the internet now like you don't have to do that gross thing you do where you pretend you're right about something so that you can win this argument that's a stupid person's way of talking if you're if you're if you're debating honestly you you could in many situations be happy to be proven wrong yeah With my friends, if I say there's absolutely no way you can lift that fucking thing and you do it, I'm like, I was wrong. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like, I'm stoked. You just did that.
Well, also, it's like you're not your ideas. I say this all the time, but it's a really important thing for people to recognize and to people have it in your head.
You are not your ideas. You are you.
And these ideas, they come and they go and you agree with them or you disagree with them. And sometimes you're going to agree with an idea.
And then a few years later, you're going to have some life experiences or talk to some people that make you look at things differently. And you go, you know what? I used to think this, but I don't think this anymore.
And here's why. Yeah, and you have to be very cognizant that your ideas can capture you and then you can be like so many people are

captured by

The way they want people to think of them this is a very hollywood thing they want people to think of them in a very specific way so they'll say the things that they've heard other people say who are accepted and they'll talk in a certain way you know you you get that's where you get accents from that's also where you get up talk you what up talk is? So when you do this thing, and so when we build these infrastructures, what we're trying to do, so someone talked like that, and a group of people talked like that, and to get in with that group, you had to kind of talk like that. So you let them, oh, Paul is a really good guy so what paul is doing is quite amazing

paul goes to the amazon and he's in the rainforest you know so they're talking valley girl but this is a thing that they do to let everyone know that they're on the team it's a very tribal thing it's almost like another language and these tribal things that we do we're we attach them to everything We attach them to religion we attach them to Technology even health we attach them to ideologies and if you don't If I can't trust you if you're retweeted Elon Musk don't you know he's the devil? You know if you're you're hanging out with Joe Rogan. Oh my god.
He's a piece of shit like these people have these like little Religious ideas in their head that you can't eat pork you can't violate this it's Sunday motherfucker Why are the lights on? They have these like little religious ideas in their head that you can't eat pork. You can't violate this.
It's Sunday, motherfucker. Why are the lights on? They have these weird laws in their head.
They attach them to everything, man. People have like a place in their mind for religion.
And if you do not have religion in your life, you will take social issues and you will treat them with the same fervor, the same fucking fever pitch that people treat religion, that people who are evangelical Christians, the people who are fucking snake handlers, you'll do that with your thing. And if your thing is trans kids or whatever your fucking thing is, no oil now, whatever your fucking thing is, it becomes a religion because you don't have religion.
And the human mind is set up in a way that you need some sort of divine structure you need something that's bigger than logic bigger than all of us and people will apply those things wherever they see fit you can join a cult and that's a whole different thing oh we're different we do yoga and this is our life fuck each other yeah we all fuck each I mean, but then there's casualties like then Kevin Hart doesn't get to do the fucking Oscars Yeah, but Kevin Hart shouldn't do the Oscars fuck the Oscars You shouldn't have wanted to do those things are gross and what they are is you're having a Contest for art and I think that's gross I get it that it helps your movie sell and if it's an Oscar Academy Award winner and I get that people are celebrated for great work. I get all that.
It's awesome. I get it's a celebration but it's also gross.
And when it was revealed to be gross was when Chris Rock was on stage and Will Smith slapped him and then a few minutes later Will Smith wins an Academy Award and they give him a standing ovation after he just assaulted a guy in front of him. It just shows you there's no ethical, moral structure to the way these people are living their lives.
They're living their life by the whim of what the crowd agrees with. But that's also like group hypnosis.
Yes. Like if you, if that happened in any other situation, like everyone was just like, we don't really know what to do.
You know, like you just keep going. Well, it's also they're afraid of being racist so they don't want us to two black guys are duking it out I can't get involved in this this is not my thing I don't know what to do I'm gay it's like this is just sitting there watching this take place and then they're clapping for him and standing up when he wins the Academy Award and so the rest of the world unbeknownst to them had already cast their judgment yeah the rest of the world was like are you out of your fucking mind yeah this is insane and so they're like oh my god the rest of the world think we're out of our fucking mind because you are out of your fucking mind you guys are all in a cult like no but that's what i mean about adults like nobody else walked on stage and just went all right everybody we're taking five minutes out right you get the fuck over in the corner right you stop are you okay okay great Okay, great.
There's no one who grabbed him immediately, escorted him out of the building. Everyone just awkwardly continued on with the night.
And he awkwardly continued on with his set. He did great.
Not really. No? No, no, no.
Chris Rock? Right after that, he was all fucked up. His jokes, they were flat.
Everybody was like, you just got slapped. This is crazy.
But I don't think that was his fault. I think that was because it's totally not his fault He just got slapped.
I thought he did an incredibly classy job of just being like well I'm gonna do the best I can and do my job as a professional He did that but he went back on with the script which is just insane But the good thing about that is then Chris Rock really became Chris Rock again. Yo.
Like, he didn't give a fuck anymore.

Yo.

He's like, once you slap me on TV, I'm going off.

Yo.

So he became like Chris Rock from Bring the Pain again.

Yep.

But I think what kept him from doing that in the past was that he was in the club.

He was in the club.

He was hosting the Oscars, doing these big movies.

You gotta be safe.

You gotta be in the club.

You gotta be safe.

You can't be retweeting Elon Musk.

You gotta start learning the rules.

You gotta learn the rules. You would know the answer to this question.
So there was a, again, I miss all these things. Didn't somebody rush Chappelle on stage when they took him out? Yeah.
Tell me if my memory is accurate because I saw a video. I don't remember who tackled the guy or whatever else, but did they like dislocate his arm? Oh, they beat the fuck out of this guy.
They beat the fuck out of him, right? They beat the fuck out of this guy. Yeah, once they got him, they beat the fuck out of him.
I'm sure they broke his arm. I'm pretty sure he's had multiple injuries.
I'm pretty sure. He had a knife.
I mean, he was a crazy homeless person. Terrible lapse in security.
Whoever the security guys are, they got fired. Yeah.
And the whole thing was a fucking mess. The guy ran onto the stage.
I sometimes, I do this thing where I don't own memory. I'll see something amazing.
Look at his arm. It's out of the fucking socket.
They beat the shit out of him. They probably comorred him and snapped his arm.
Dude, look at his face. He looks like he went through a whole five-round fight.
They beat the shit out of him. He's like he's alive.
I mean, you go after Chappelle. With a knife.
Fuck, man. You know, I mean, he didn't have the knife in his hand, but he had a knife him like some big fucking dude that's also terrifying brass knuckles looking thing that's terrifying yeah it's terrifying it's it's terrifying that there's people that are so out of their fucking mind that and it's again the same kind of thing he's transphobic he's transphobic you jokes are transphobia but words are violence no that's not whoa that's violence.
Whoa. That's violence.
Dave Chappelle? Listen.

But that's how nuts we are.

That's how nuts we are.

That a guy can't.

Did you listen to his special?

Right.

They didn't listen.

They don't care.

That's the thing.

No one's listening.

They're not listening to me.

They're not listening to Elon.

They're not listening.

Yeah.

They just, they have these things and they're just like religious dogma.

And they lock down on those things.

And Dave Chappelle's a transphobe.

We got to take him out. Dave Chappelle's a living saint.
Yeah, he's a beautiful person. He's untouchable.
Amazing person. Um, but he makes jokes about things that are real in our culture and that's a real thing in our culture and if you say there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing's bullshit.
If there's ever a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing is bullshit. Dude, yeah, I had to do, I was taking care of somebody, actually I wanted to tell had to do i was taking care of somebody actually i wanted to tell you this i was taking care of i'd take care of somebody that had life-saving surgery and i was helping them recuperate and so i was just staying with them and it was like you know you have a brush with death you have you see your mortality things are down whatever else and when we like caught our breath i was like let me just do something and i put on a clip of you and it was it was it was a you were telling the story about like a hotel and you you you was it was you segura and chapelle but anyway we were watching you guys do various bits of comedy on youtube and i made this person you guys made this person laugh so hard we had to stop watching it because they were gonna bust a stitch it was like the the best medicine you've ever seen and it was um it was you were telling a fucking crazy story about about waking up in a hotel and everyone's cramming down the exit yeah the hotel was on fire yeah that was great and then it was sagura doing um when disabilities are funny he goes he goes not all disabilities funny goes but're funny.
And he does like a 10-minute piece on that. And we're just trying.
And it was just such a great transmission of just comedy just being medicine. The thing is comedy is comedy.
And to try to say it's normal speech is ridiculous because it's not your opinions. It's things that are funny about these things.
Like when someone's saying something about anything that's inappropriate, you should never say that. That's Louis CK's whole act is saying the wrong thing.
You're not supposed to say that. So he's going to say it and it's hilarious, but it's also really well written and funny.
This is not like if you sat him down and asked him his opinion on people and life, he would give you a different version. This is just an art form.
It's just like a movie. Like you go to a Quentin Tarantino movie, none of those people really died.
Okay? This is just art. It's just like something's creating something.
And that's the sense where I feel like it's coming back. Because look at the shit that Chappelle's pulling.
Look at the shit that you're pulling. People are saying stuff again.
Well, people are realizing that you don't have to give in to this because it's a small, very vocal minority of people, but most people are tired of it. Most people miss old...
You don't get a good comedy movie anymore. You don't get super bad anymore.
They can't make that movie anymore. Tropic Thunder.
Tropic Thunder. You can't make that movie.
I asked Robert Downey Jr. He goes, oh, you could.
You could. But you can't.
I mean, we fucked ourselves. We fucked ourselves by listening to these mental patients.
I think it'll come back. I think some of it's going to come back.
I think it's going to come back. Because I think it's going to come.
Now it's going to, usually, right? It'll swing back. You look at movies from the 70s.
They're fucking brutal. Oh, yeah.
Everything now is so sanitized. And like, you don'tino though he's sort of the only one he's sort of like grandfathered in the last time that i saw a scene in a movie that that made me really cringe was in bastards when when the the bear jew comes out of the cave and the guy is the nazi soldiers he's he's on his knees and you're so used to that they cut on impact he comes out

and he fucking takes that swing and they don't cut i don't know how they film that shit movie

magic but you you go oh god and brad pitt's sitting there chewing on a piece of bread and

like clapping you're like eating while this guy gets beaten to death and but like i remember being

like oh because usually you watch john wick you watch whatever the fuck you watch a thousand

people die on screen it doesn't matter but every now and then they make it so real yeah those

Thank you. and but like i remember being like oh because usually you watch john wick you watch whatever the fuck you watch a thousand people die on screen it doesn't matter but every now and then they make it so real yeah those 70s movies back in the day oh yeah because all the shit was real oh yeah car chases were real yeah man and now i watch movies and i'm like dude come on you remember bullet though like 10 minutes of the movie it's car chase steve mcqueen yeah to the streets of san francisco crazy a little mustang and a fucking charger there's a movie

with anthony hopkins and alec baldwin where anthony hopkins has to fight a bear i think the whole

movie is about them funny dude they actually they used bart the bear from legends of the fall and

whatever else but it is the most you watch it you will be blown out of your seat because anthony

Thank you. they used Bart the bear from Legends of the Fall and whatever else.
But it is the most, you watch it, you will be blown out of your seat. Because Anthony Hopkins is 10 feet from a fucking grizzly bear.
And then you can tell where they swap, if you watch it really closely, you can tell where they swap them out. And the trainer gets like hit with a paw.
But this guy is wrestling with his pet bear. Yo, seriously, look at this, look at this.
Look at this. Look at that fucking bear.
Look at that. Fucking Anthony Hopkins is the best.
How does he live in this? How is that even possible? Because they just tear you apart. Look at his face.
Just trust me. Just Jamie.
Go to like halfway. Go to like halfway this video.
This is so ridiculous. That bear is like barely chasing him.
Go like halfway down this video. Always get the fire out.
No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't need to see this.
I'm going to have a different opinion of it. I'm going to get angry.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the clip.
There's a clip. Did you see The Revenant? Yeah, it pissed me off, cartoon bear.
Ah, CGI bear. And I love Tom Hardy and I love DiCaprio, but that, come on, that CGI bear didn't get it.
You know, that's based on a real story. Yeah.
Yeah, that's based on a guy who really did get more, he crawled like 20 miles. My main takeaway from that movie is a lot of cold water.
Cold water. I just watched every time he fucking crawled in a cold stream.
I was just like, this is horrible. Do you know that incident didn't really take place in that environment, though? The actual incident took place on the plains.
It wasn't the same environment as the rainforest. They just put it up there? They put them in.
I think they filmed it. See if they filmed the Revenant in B.C.
I think they filmed it in the rainforest of B.C. You know, B.C.
is a lot like Seattle. They filmed it in the rainforest.
Well, I think filmed it in like a dense forested area. And I don't think the real incident took place in any sort of environment like that.
Matter of fact, I'm positive of that. Winter deciduous forest, but not rainforest.
Waterfall scenes were filmed in Montana, but the wiki says it takes place in the Great Plains. Right.
So, but where did they film all the forest scenes? I think it was Canada. I think it's B.C.
because it just is way more dense than the Great Plains. It's not what they experienced.
When this guy crawled, it's like he's crawling across the fucking plains. This guy got torn apart by a bear and crawled.
And actually crawled. The initial plans were to film the final scenes in Canada, although the weather was ultimately too warm, so they had to go to Argentina, where there was snow on the ground to shoot the ending.
Whoa, that's the ending? What about the other stuff in the woods, like when they get attacked by the Native Americans? I thought that was in B.C. Either way, whatever it is, it's like very dense forest, which is not historically accurate.
No. You got to do a little bit of that do you i mean it's about the plains it's true then there'd be no trees like trees are central in that movie like the the the star so the movie's kind of bullshit like isn't there a way to do it well then every movie's bullshit alberta yeah there it goes okay i mean even you know uh alberta's crazy thick i mean every movie then that you like you know like every like historical movie you go how much of it is true oh yeah like i just watched you know i hate those movies ford versus ferrari and i was like how much of this is true and they're like none of it did any of this really happen no okay so the uh the canna canna naskis country country and the spectacular scenery of bow valley in the Canadian Rockies west of Calgary, Alberta.
Fucking beautiful up there, man. Yeah, so that's not like the real environment where that really went down.
But yeah, I guess it would have a different feel if they were out on the plains and it was nothing. Yeah, and they get attacked by the Plains Indians.
And, you know, and that guy got fucked up by that bear out there There's there was bears out there dude. That's what's nuts like we killed them off Like California has a bear and it's a state flag.
It's a big old brown used to be brown bears. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, they they fucking killed all of them.
They're like get the fuck yeah They know what they know what you're the last? Brown bear was killed in California and they know when the last black bear was killed in Manhattan that's not think about it a black bear in Manhattan when was that when they bought it for like $15 it was just it was just a fucking right young there's a town named after the guy who was the last guy to get killed by a brown bear in California it's called Levesque nice I think his name was Steven Levesque and he got the last guy that got killed by a brown bear like that's it we it. We're done.
Kill them all. Did you ever see that? Did you ever see the video where the bear takes the guy's face off and he's still talking? Yeah, I did.
That's a really bad one. Yeah, he got his face walled apart.
And they stitched it back together again. They didn't do a bad job.
Not bad. Not bad.
Because that video, that was, again, one of those times where I'm an adult and I'm not okay. That was like early days of internet gross shit.
That was like eBalm's World Time where you could see everything. It was the early days.
I was just trying to explain this to my mom. I was like, when they were doing the journalist beheadings, you could see it.
Yeah. If I tried now, I don't know.
I wouldn't even know where to go. Reddit.
Really? Yeah. 4chan.
I don't think I've ever been on Reddit. You should go.
Yeah? Should I go? Should I go on Reddit? Just go to know there's people like that out there. Is it search engine? Reddit has become much more...
Reddit is very left-wing, and Reddit has become very censored. Things get pulled down off of Reddit.
But 4chan is still buck wild. 4chan? 4chan.
Yeah, 4chan is where all that QAnon craziness came from. There's a lot of nutty people out there.
That's where the political frogs, those frogs, Peppy the Frog that they use for memes. It's all like internet culture, shit posters.
Yeah. People that are anonymously posting so they can just say the wildest things and there's no censorship.
Yeah, but I'm saying, but what I want is, I want the the god's google i want that thing where you go i want to see people eaten you know who got eaten by a bear and i like or you know how in the grizzly man they don't show you they don't show you the footage or the play of the audio like i want that like if i want to see it i want to be able to see it i think we're in a herzog destroyed that audio which is unfortunate yeah but i also you know his mind was like it's kind of funny right because his mind was like this is be like it'd be too damaging it's too bad for you don't want to hear it you don't want other people to hear it i wouldn't want people to hear me screaming in agony as i died right but your whole film is about how stupid it is that this guy lives in the grizzly maze in a tent surrounded by bears. Then it's inevitable that one of them is going to eat him.
So there'd kind of be like a comedic punchline to hearing him go, Bro, the movie's a comedy. It is a comedy.
It is a comedy. It is.
When he's like, bad bear. And he touches it and the bear turns around and is like, what the fuck did you just do? The whole thing.
He was so nutty and he was was such a crazy. He was nuts.
He was Tiger King times 100. But he also, there's like a moment where he transcends.
And he's like in the grass. And there's a fox on his tent.
And you're like, dude, this is kind of cool. Yeah.
The fox relationship was cool. The fox was cool.
But with the bear stuff. Foxes become your friends.
Which is weird. Yeah.
Foxes are cool. Yeah.
You don't even have to have lived there a long time. just hang out with them long enough they'll they'll hang out with you well i found a fox then a few years ago and so there's all these the mom was out and there's all these foxes baby foxes pups sitting outside the the hole so i would creep up on them i'd get into position and i'd watch them come out and they are the cutest little things in the world yeah and they And they're all just standing around.
And I was like, I want to raise a fox so bad. People have done it.
I know. They have pet foxes.
Oh, I know. I wanted to do it so bad to go to the jungle in like a week.
But I was like, man, if I wasn't going to the jungle a week. You would have to feed those little fuckers.
And they want to kill things all the time. It'd be like having a really wild dog.
Yeah. It would be like having a coyote for a pet.
Yeah. I would imagine.
But they're really clever. They're really clever.
They're really smart. They're really beautiful.
Yeah. And coyotes, I don't even need to have coyotes as pets.
They're like behind, in the Hudson Valley. Oh, yeah.
They're all over the place. Everywhere.
Yeah. They're nuts.
They're in Manhattan. I don't believe that.
It's 100% true. Really? Yeah.
Yeah. In Central Park.
In Central Park? Multiple coyote sightings. They've had them in the Bronx.
Varified photos? Coyotes are in every city in North America. Or at least in the U.S.
It's a huge testament to how stealthy an animal can be. Oh, yeah, man.
Because they live everywhere. Look at that.
Stop it. Coyotes in Central Park.
Yeah. Yeah, man.
They're all over the country. country They're all over the country And that's basically In the last hundred years Oh it's a coyote I think less than that I think it's like From the 1950s on Gotham coyote They've spread across The entire country There's a great book Called Coyote America I have It's on my list I'm dying to read it I'm dying to it.
Coyote's been seen in Central Park and other parts of New York City since the 1930s. Yeah.
The number of sightings has increased in recent years, especially in 2019. Yeah.
Incredibly adaptive. I mean, that's just unbelievable.
They're the craziest. They adapt and they expand their range.
So whenever you kill one, the females have more pups and they expand their range. Dude.
That's why they're everywhere now. in the jungle i was working with this british filmmaker and he came out of the jungle one day and his face was white and he goes i saw something and i was like if you say bigfoot i'm gonna he's he goes he goes no i saw he goes man he goes mate he saw a white-tailed deer and i went you didn't see a white-tailed deer we have red brocket deer gray brocket deer you didn't see a white-tailed deer and i started really hammering on him i was like bro you've been out here too long man long story short there is a vestigial population of white-tailed deer that inhabit the western amazon what so he thought he was insane they come in from the andes and they're they have like an island population down in the lowland jungle he happened to to see, and this is like a guy that, you know, he's not bullshitting.
Whoa. He was physically, you know, it's like you saw a giraffe.
That's ridiculous that he would be that freaked out. Uh, I think just because it didn't belong there.
He was a real wildlife guy. I mean, if I saw, you know, a leopard in New Jersey, I'd be like, well, fuck either.
I'm cracking up or something. As far as I know, this doesn't go here right you know right so he came back and he was like I I don't know what to do he's like I saw something and I was like well did you get a shot of it and he was like no I put my camera up and it ran and he was like but I swear to god and I was like nah you didn't see anything he saw a white tail deer that's crazy have Have you seen the jaguar sightings in Arizona? I did.

I saw the camera track. Isn't that wild? That is super cool.
That is super cool.

We're doing something with these

new eDNA packages where

we can take water samples

and it tests for all the different DNA

in the water. Oh, so all the different animals that are

drinking in there. Wow.

Bigfoot's either about to get found or go extinct.

He's going to go extinct. Yeah, I know.
Do you think they could find the giant sloth with that? So that's an in there. Wow.
Bigfoot's either about to get found or go extinct. He's going to go extinct.

Yeah, I know.

Do you think they could find the giant sloth with that?

So that's an interesting one.

That and the thylacine

are the only cryptids

that I'll entertain conversations about.

I entertain the sloth one

because there's so many of these people

in these deep, dense jungles

in the Amazon

that claim that they've seen them.

Yeah.

I'll tell you something offline

about that.

I have a theory about where they are. Ooh, I can't wait to end this podcast.
I just, I just, there's gotta be this, this places people keep going. We've, we've explored the whole world.
Just like people don't realize. And I'm telling you after coming off of these expeditions where we travel for an entire week by land to get, cause you get on a plane,

go to get on a plane and be in Barcelona in a few hours.

Right.

It's such a mind fuck.

It doesn't make any sense.

Whereas when you start walking or you start paddling,

you go,

this planet is huge,

huge.

And we deceive ourselves into thinking like,

oh yeah, we figured it out.

But if you fly in a Cessna over the Amazon and you look at a winding little golden river and you're looking out over a vast picture of football fields with this tiny little golden filament going through it and the next one of those golden rivers which by the way that river is like 100 meters across this giant water artery that's been flowing through the jungle the next one as you're in this Cessna looking out over the jungle the next one one is barely in your peripheral vision over there. So you're talking about like 110 miles that way as the next.
Dense, dense jungle. Dense jungle, no trails, not even the tribes, nothing, no one there.
Who the fuck has explored that? They don't know what's under there. No one's explored it, not to mention 50% of the life in the rainforest, you forget it's a 3D environment.

When you're on the plains, the animals are at eye level. When you're in the rainforest, you're under 160 feet of canopy.
So it's like being at the bottom of the ocean. And we don't have access.
Who can climb a 160-foot tree that goes straight up like the World Trade Center? Right. Pretty much no one.
You're only going to see the treetops if you do. And you're only going to see the treetops.
So scientists and you're only gonna see the treetops so scientists have had very limited access to the rainforest canopy where 50 of the life in the rainforest is so so much of the planet has not been described or studied and it's so funny when i watch people go yeah everything's been explored and it's like bro i could take you somewhere right now and show you the places where no one's been and they haven't flown over with lidar yet and there are things that we don't know there's like a lot of stuff that we don't know about and i've seen because i've seen it with my own i don't believe shit that's why i have to touch the wet paint because i don't believe shit unless i've seen it myself well listen brother i'm glad you're out there it makes life more interesting i'm trying i appreciate everything you do and i appreciate you and thank you for coming in here's a lot of fun. Tell everybody how they can get a hold of you and how they can see what you're up to.
Absolutely. Jungle Keepers is growing.
We're protecting more rainforests than ever. Junglekeepers.org.
We are bringing people to the rainforest. We're supporting the indigenous conservation efforts.
We're crossing 100,000 acres. The more people that come in and help, we can actually find a way to protect the Amazon rainforest and stop feeling guilty about it.
Also, Jamie, if you just last thing, pull up that rhino transport picture. I'm taking people out into Africa with the experts at that place, Buffalo Kloof, and people can actually come with me to do some incredible front lines on the ground work with endangered rhinos in Africa, like this type of shit.
Absolutely. The people who are holding back the extinction of these animals who are doing cutting edge research and work protecting these amazing animals.
Junglekeepers.org PaulRosley.com, Instagram, all that other shit. And we're doing some truly miraculous stuff.
And a lot of it has to do, Joe Joe with the fact that you came in and told everybody

about it so thank you. My pleasure

I'm happy for you. It's getting wild out there

Thank you, my pleasure

Alright, bye everybody