#2208 - Brigham Buhler

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Speaker 3 So, so tell me what it's like to testify in front of the Senate. What is that like?

Speaker 2 Man, it was pretty wild. Uh, it all transpired so fast.
I got a call from Callie Means. We've become pretty good buddies.
I know you're having him and his sister, Casey, on the podcast.

Speaker 2 Brilliant folks that are just patient advocates. I mean, at the end of the day,

Speaker 2 they had the same experience as I had. Callie, a little bit different walk of life.
He was a lobbyist. Casey was a doctor, Stanford-trained surgeon,

Speaker 2 realized that she was in a system where they didn't really heal people. They just treated symptoms and profiteered off disease states.
And she said, there's got to be a better way.

Speaker 2 So their voice rung so loud after I think they did Tucker that it led to momentum. And then because of you having me on the podcast, that's how I met RFK.

Speaker 2 And so Bobby's team had reached out to me maybe about a year and a half ago to come up to Dallas while he was doing a campaign there and sit down with him.

Speaker 2 And he was just asking 100 questions about what's going on and what did you see on the pharmaceutical side and what did you see owning pharmacies and billing insurance companies.

Speaker 2 And so when they had an opportunity to put this team together to testify in front of the Senate, the goal was to create a nonpartisan group of individuals to take a new, fresh approach to what is going on with chronic disease in America.

Speaker 2 Because the chronic disease crisis is at an all-time high.

Speaker 2 I mean, we could go through all the statistics, and I know that Casey and Callie will when they're on here, so I don't want to steal their thunder, but it's staggering.

Speaker 2 I mean, close to anywhere between 1.7 to 1.9 million people are dying a year of chronic disease. We talk a lot about war.

Speaker 2 Since the dawn of this country, roughly roughly estimated between 1.3 to 1.5 million people total have died in war american lives so in a year we're losing more people to chronic disease than all the wars combined and we're not talking about it so to me i was excited when they said hey the senate's willing to to hear and that's the beauty of a democracy they they did let us come in there and candidly take a dump on the senate floor on what's going on with this health care system

Speaker 3 and really dig into the weeds did anybody try to take the side of the pharmaceutical drug industry? Did anybody question you or try to push back?

Speaker 2 So prior, you do a debrief. So we did do a roundtable prior to going into the communal roundtable in front of the public eye, which they had no idea what was coming.

Speaker 2 The Senate didn't expect it. We had assembled a grassroots effort to get the word out there and over 2,000 people took off from work.
These are This is a Senate hearing.

Speaker 2 Over 2,000 hardworking Americans took time from their busy day, flew to D.C., had to sit in an overflow room to listen to these testimonies.

Speaker 2 And the level of feedback from people, from like real humans, real-world people, was staggering.

Speaker 2 I mean, people afterwards came up in tears sharing their story of how the system had let them down or a loved one down, misdiagnoses, like all the different issues that they've dealt with trying to navigate this system.

Speaker 2 And to the senator's credit, you know, behind closed doors, they did say you probably don't want to go ultra hard after the food industry or ultra hard after the pharmaceutical industry because it may limit our ability to get things done.

Speaker 2 But they did.

Speaker 3 How do they phrase that?

Speaker 2 They just said you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar. And, you know, me, Callie, and the other folks that sat on this panel,

Speaker 2 you know, our goal was to just share our stories and share what we saw. And so my testimony in particular was really more about the human side.

Speaker 2 You know, there's so many staggering data and statistics and numbers, but behind all that is a person. Like that's all I wanted people to understand.
These are human lives.

Speaker 2 You know, when Jellyroll testified, I think he said this equivalent to a 747 jet worth of people die of opioids a day.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 that's insane. And that all started with the lapses in the FDA and the drug regulatory market.
And we know that, you know, there's an argument out there.

Speaker 2 I I know Callie released the number of 50 plus percent of the FDA's funding comes from big pharma.

Speaker 2 When it comes to drugs alone, 75% of the drug funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies themselves. And so there's a big market there.

Speaker 2 And with big pharma spending over $8 billion a year advertising, that's more than the entire sum of the FDA's budget.

Speaker 3 $8 billion a year just in advertisement. Imagine how much they're making so that they can afford $8 billion just in advertising.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's insane. And those advertisers.

Speaker 2 The truth is, my hope is that people listen and the American people fight. We can fight with our pocketbooks.
We can fight through our choices as citizens.

Speaker 2 Do I have faith that the government's going to fix these problems overnight? I don't. But at least we're having the conversation.
And to their credit, they let us speak freely.

Speaker 2 They didn't put a censor on us. They, you know, they tried to give us some coaching, you know, to say, hey, if you go this route, just understand there's going to be blowback.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we're here to get progress on these topics, not, you know, burn the house down type deal.

Speaker 2 And then I did have some, and it was, it was a bipartisan effort. So some of the senators in the room had mentioned, well, the American people just want a pill.

Speaker 2 You know, they don't really want a solution that.

Speaker 2 they're not they're looking for an easy way out and i pushed back i and it's funny because one of the moms that was there was like like, oh my God, I can't believe you were just dropping F-bombs in that meeting.

Speaker 2 But I'm like, I think you're fucking wrong. I mean, after being in healthcare since I was 20 years old, what I see is people struggling for answers.

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Speaker 2 People are in the pit of despair.

Speaker 3 Who was saying that the American people just want a pill?

Speaker 2 I don't want to name any names, but one of the senators there was saying in his experience, people are looking for the easy way out. And

Speaker 2 I don't think that's the case. I think people are looking for hope.
Well,

Speaker 3 here's the thing. If there was a real easy way out, like if there really was a pill with no side effects, it cured all your ails, sure, people would want that.
And this is the problem.

Speaker 3 The advertising, that $8 billion a year, it leads you to believe that there is some sort of a solution in the bottom of a prescription bottle.

Speaker 3 And that's not real. That's the problem, is that they've been misled so long and for

Speaker 3 so far down the line. And here they are, chronically ill and suffering, and they're hoping it's the next pill.

Speaker 2 And that was our hope was to break down from the start of

Speaker 2 how do we process these foods? How do we make, how do we grow, harvest, and what do we do with our soil?

Speaker 2 What do we do with our pesticides? How do we bring these products to market? How do we regulate our food industry? And that's all new to me. That's not my expertise.

Speaker 2 My expertise in my testimony was focused on what i saw as a drug rep what i saw as a med device rep what i saw billing insurance companies and that was a part of the talk that we didn't even get to dive deep into but the goal was to explain to the senate from the food processing growing harvesting chemical treatments to the packaging to the ingredients we add into our food to the hospital systems throughout the system front to back the american people are set up for failure

Speaker 2 In the 1950s, the U.S. had, the FDA had approved 700 different ingredients in our food products.
That's it, 700.

Speaker 2 Today, there are over 10,000 chemicals and petrochemicals in our food products in the United States. In Europe, still 700.

Speaker 3 Jesus.

Speaker 2 And what gets crazier is when Food Babe, she's an influencer, right? And that's been, you know, crapped on by the media.

Speaker 3 Well, it's an unfortunate name. Food Babe.

Speaker 2 But she's an advocate, and she's just a voice, a mother out there saying, hey, guys, what's wrong with this picture?

Speaker 2 Let me show you what's in fruit loops in America and let me show you what's in fruit loops in Canada.

Speaker 2 The same manufacturer, Kellogg's, is selling one product to the American people and a safer, less ingredient, less chemical-filled product outside the United States.

Speaker 2 They have the ability to sell it here, but they don't because they know they can sell more addictive, more

Speaker 2 colorful, vibrant that attract kid food sources here in the US.

Speaker 3 It's so dark.

Speaker 2 And so we walked through all of that. It blew my mind on the food front.
And we know, you and I have talked, like in the healthcare system, my main message was

Speaker 2 we're here to talk about the boom in chronic disease. We know that food and our environment has a huge impact on that.
But so does preventative care.

Speaker 2 And so does building an ecosystem that allows clinicians to troubleshoot and diagnose and prevent chronic diseases from evolving in the first place. These are all metabolically related disease states.

Speaker 2 All the chronic diseases that are killing us can be traced back to diet, lifestyle, and nutrition. But none of our clinicians are trained on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.

Speaker 3 That's the hard pill for people to swallow. Diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.

Speaker 3 It's very hard for people who are addicted to shitty food, who are lazy, who don't have a history of exercise, and

Speaker 3 their lifestyle sucks. and they get home from work and they like to drink.
Like all those things are killing you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But

Speaker 2 you and I have talked about this with some of your comedy friends that have become my friends too, to watch the evolution. You just got to give people momentum.

Speaker 2 We just got to get some wins on the board. We got to give them hope.
And we've got to start by having the conversation. And that's what I was optimistic about.

Speaker 2 For the first time in my adult life, the Senate is willing to sit down with a group of individuals and have a deep conversation conversation about where our food comes from, how our food is being processed, what ingredients are in our food, and how that could potentially lead to chronic disease.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it got labeled by some of the...

Speaker 2 I would say hatchet job media outlets that have come out, and we can dive into that.

Speaker 2 Somebody called it the woo-woo.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I saw that. Let's dive into it.
First of all, fuck you, whoever wrote that. Because there's nothing woo-woo about anything you guys were saying.
That's what's really crazy.

Speaker 3 To say that toxic chemicals that are illegal in other countries but are legal in the United States, and there's a reason why they're illegal.

Speaker 3 You could find all the different things that they do to the body, all the different damage they cause. To say that that's woo-woo is so crazy.
Like, what did they list as an example of woo-woo?

Speaker 2 What's hard is they went immediately at like, these are all entrepreneurs that have something to sell you. And I can tell you, sitting in the room with those people, all of us were scared.

Speaker 2 All of us were scared. It's scary.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to make money off of this. If anything, I could lose money.
I have businesses that are under the FDA's guidelines, are under the FDA's oversights.

Speaker 2 I don't want to upset the apple cart, but I also want to tell the truth. And I wanted to share what I saw.
And that was my message was.

Speaker 2 I'm not here to represent the left or the right. I'm here to represent humanity.
This is not a Republican issue. This is not a Democrat issue.
This is a humanity issue. These are people's lives.

Speaker 3 But it's just stunning that people are willing to whore themselves out to write a hit piece on someone trying to help human beings find healthier choices and realize the root cause of all the diseases that we're facing.

Speaker 2 The woo-woo article, she alludes to how we talked about nothing but metabolic disease. And what does metabolic disease have to do with cancer?

Speaker 3 Actually, I can tell you

Speaker 2 it is the number one risk factor. Obesity and metabolic disease is the number one risk factor to all forms of cancer other than smoking.

Speaker 2 So if you take smoking and age out of the equation, it's your number one risk factor. That's what it has to do with it.

Speaker 3 Imagine that statement.

Speaker 3 What does metabolic health have to do with these diseases? That is so crazy.

Speaker 2 And the people on that panel, too, to their credit, I was the least qualified of anyone to be in that room. And I was there to talk about my experiences as an industry.
industry insider.

Speaker 2 I am not telling you that I am an expert on metabolic disease.

Speaker 2 I can can tell you that I'm an expert on fuckery because I've been in healthcare long enough to see what they're doing and I know their equation. I know their offense.

Speaker 2 But other than me, you had Casey Means, Stanford-trained surgeon. You had Dr.

Speaker 2 Palmer, a psychiatrist from Harvard, who was breaking down metabolic disease and how it's astronomically impacting the mental health crisis in America.

Speaker 2 One of the stats he dropped on us in his testimony was: we are at an all-time high in suicide and death of despair greater than during the Great Depression.

Speaker 2 More Americans are dying of suicide and death of despair more than ever. More children are being diagnosed with metabolic disease, diabetes.

Speaker 2 Girls are starting periods six years younger. Like this doesn't, I don't need a double-blind study to tell you something's wrong.
Just look at the data.

Speaker 3 And that would sound like a lot of woo-oo. I'm hearing a lot of woo-woo from you.
I need some data.

Speaker 2 It's like, as we get into that, in the names, they just totally breezed over and that article tried to make it sound like it's a bunch of influencers.

Speaker 2 And it's like, yes, there were some people who have social media presences, but there were also academics there.

Speaker 3 But also you can't dismiss.

Speaker 2 Harvard, Stanford, and Stedman Hawkins.

Speaker 3 You can't dismiss someone who's giving out factual information because they're a so-called influencer. Some people get into influencing for a good cause.

Speaker 3 100%. And they have real valid information and they collect that valid information and distribute it.
And that's how they get a following.

Speaker 2 And you know, even

Speaker 2 Vonnie is the food babe. Vonnie, her battle has helped remove ingredients from certain states, stop chemicals in certain food sources.

Speaker 2 They're actually going to march to Kellogg on the 10th of next month to hand a petition signed by over 100,000 Americans coming out the tail end of that asking them to remove dangerous chemicals that they don't put in food products in other countries and just match it.

Speaker 2 That's all they're asking. Hey, why don't we just match match what you're doing outside the U.S.
and all these other countries where they've said these products aren't safe?

Speaker 2 Why are we allowing you a mulligan on the U.S. population when it comes to food? And they've never been studied.
That's the other wild thing.

Speaker 2 The FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to study every time a new ingredient is added to a food source.

Speaker 2 So you and I have gone down the rabbit hole on the FDA's attempt to try and regulate and rein in big industry like big pharma and big medical.

Speaker 2 And I know I've told your listeners before, over 90% of the products in the operating room have never been through an FDA human safety trial.

Speaker 2 It was an entity built at a time to serve a purpose. And I just think they're drowning.
And I think there's a lot of

Speaker 2 industry influence and spit being swapped that can skew decisions and viewpoints. And that's dangerous.

Speaker 3 It is dangerous. It's dangerous and it's spooky that you get pushback after that.
So let's talk about the pushback because it was immediately afterwards.

Speaker 3 You start texting me like, dude, holy shit, these hit pieces are nuts. Because you could see the machine moving against you.

Speaker 3 So you could see that someone saw this Senate hearing, realized that it could potentially have an impact, and tried to do their best to mitigate those potentially positive effects for the health of American people.

Speaker 3 But it could cost them money. So they started pumping money into these media outlets.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. And this is what I've seen before, owning a compounding pharmacy.
When I went on Jillian Michaels' podcast,

Speaker 2 she is very opinionated and passionate about this. And it took me 10 minutes to explain to her that compounding pharmacies aren't bad guys.

Speaker 2 And because she had only heard the corporate media narrative of compounding pharmacies are dangerous.

Speaker 2 People are getting drugs from these compounding pharmacies that are in garages and they're just willy-nilly making compounds and shipping them into the marketplace.

Speaker 2 And I had to methodically walk her through. Compounding pharmacies fall under the FDA's jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 My pharmacy's been inspected inspected three times in 18 months. Every single ingredient we buy is an FDA-approved ingredient.

Speaker 2 Every single compound we compound, we send off to an independent third-party lab to verify. Okay? And I say all this just to lay the groundwork.

Speaker 2 We've treated over a million patient lives at Waste, I mean, at our pharmacy, over a million patient lives nationwide.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 what they do in that environment is the media will list any recall, any mistake a compounding pharmacy makes, but sweep under the rug that big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly and Pfizer have moved most of their manufacturing overseas where the FDA has to submit before they can come do an inspection and has to give them two months' notice because they're coming into a foreign country and they've got to get visas and approvals and all these things to come inspect those facilities.

Speaker 2 They can't just walk in like they walk into my facility.

Speaker 2 And so Lilly, Eli Lilly in particular, one of the reasons they're struggling with back orders right now is their facilities have been popped for egregious action by the FDA, but none of that is in the public eye.

Speaker 2 You have to scour. I think Reuters is the only one that wrote an article, but Little Compounding Pharmacy in Texas recalls 28 vials proactively for a mislabel.

Speaker 2 And the New York Post makes it national news, but you didn't cover Eli Lilly's nationwide issues on all these products or the fact that over 2,000 manufacturing facilities owned by Big Pharma haven't been inspected in five or more years, it's just not good journalism.

Speaker 2 Well, it's not

Speaker 3 integrity. $8 billion.

Speaker 3 That $8 billion has an effect. I'm sure these journalists aren't sitting there watching this Senate hearing going, you know what? I'm outraged.
I feel like these people are full of shit.

Speaker 3 I'm going to help the American people and write this piece criticizing it. No, they're probably being instructed.

Speaker 2 Well, she gave us, she sent us and said, it was very vague. I get a voicemail.
We want to write an article on your pharmacy. I find out at 3 o'clock, I'm in meetings.

Speaker 2 We draft a response explaining all the things we do to go above and beyond and how our vision is to bring, you know, cost-effective prescription drugs to the American people for pennies on the dollar, typically less than your copayer deductible.

Speaker 2 What part of that? And in this article at the end, I shit you not, the girl puts, and by the way, Eli Lilly slicing prices by 50%

Speaker 2 on their weight loss drug. That's how the article ends.
And I'm like, how is this not an advertisement?

Speaker 2 And so I looked, and now that I've, I've seen it when I was a drug rep, I saw it when I owned pharmacies and labs.

Speaker 2 I saw it as a device rep, but I went and looked and said, okay, who owns the New York Post?

Speaker 2 And when you peel back the layers to that onion, the New York Post majority holders of stock are Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street. Now, let's go look at who are the majority owners into Eli Lilly.

Speaker 2 Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.

Speaker 2 So the same folks who own the pharmaceutical companies, who have the most to gain by keeping the narrative the same and driving America towards the chronic disease crisis and monetizing your chronic disease with all the things you and I have discussed before, whether pharmacy benefit managers, insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, front to back, top to bottom, we've lost our way.

Speaker 2 We really have lost our way, Joe. It's all about quarterly earnings and quarterly profits.

Speaker 2 And I'm not saying that they're intentionally poisoning the American people to set them up so that they can knock them down.

Speaker 2 I just think it's so siloed and so compartmentalized and everybody's fighting for that extra dollar, that quarter, that day, that month, that they're just blocking and tackling and preventing the narrative from rising in their siloed bucket.

Speaker 2 But you have to, like in humans, we have to take a look out and go, hey, I'm not just treating your knee or your brain health or your heart health. The body is an organism that works together.

Speaker 2 We have to do a deeper dive to assess where the disease started, what caused it, and can we uncover the root cause and fix the root cause?

Speaker 2 We have to do the same thing in our systems and our protocols and our procedures. We know that corporate capture is real.

Speaker 2 We know that corporate capture has somewhat happened with the FDA, somewhat happened with Congress and the Senate. You know, everyone's scared to fight these guys, and they can wreck your lives.

Speaker 2 It's scary and it's hard to fight when they control the media. They control all the funding to the advertising on the news networks.

Speaker 2 I mean, good luck getting a story out there.

Speaker 3 It's so weird that they've been able to do this for so long in such a shifty way. It really is.
Because there should be laws against that.

Speaker 3 If there's laws against insider trading, how's there not laws against manipulating narratives in order to profit at the expense of people's health?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and to even further highlight the level of corruption and corporate capture, I sent you and Jamie an article. I don't even remember the news outlet.

Speaker 2 But when you look who owns that news outlet, okay, well, it says most of its funding comes from this PR firm.

Speaker 2 Then when we go to look at who owns the PR firm, it's Monsanto that owns the PR firm that got this other, and it's always layered. It's never abundantly clear.
Like it's hard.

Speaker 2 The other one we talked about was

Speaker 2 The Atlantic, you know, and as I peeled the layers back to The Atlantic, it was owned by Bradley, who made his money

Speaker 2 being a consultant for big pharma and pharmacy benefit managers. He sold a big chunk of his company off to Optum, which is one of the dirtiest pharmacy benefit managers out there.

Speaker 2 And we broke that down on your previous podcast.

Speaker 2 The pharmacy benefit managers, for those listeners that don't know, were established in the 70s and 80s with the goal of driving down the cost of prescription drug care for America, but it got captured by the insurance companies.

Speaker 2 So Cigna, Aetna, CVS Health, all of those companies now own these middlemen that are negotiating rebates.

Speaker 2 So it's important to understand because those rebate dollars are held at that company and they're making billions off of chronic disease, billions.

Speaker 2 So if you're on a GLP-1 weight loss drug for the rest of your life and they've negotiated rebates to the pharmacy benefit plans that they own, they're oftentimes holding 40 to 50% of their profitability in a shell company that's not disclosed to the American public or the U.S.

Speaker 2 government. And when they establish a Medicare price point on a drug, they base it off of the average wholesale price in America.

Speaker 2 And that's important because they artificially inflated the fucking average wholesale price and they're giving themselves a rebate on the back end, but the government doesn't have line of sight into that.

Speaker 2 And they know it's happening now. It's been exposed.

Speaker 2 We talked about this again on your last five, but it's like, I think it's the state of Idaho uncovered 230 million in fraud in one year from the PBMs. One year.

Speaker 2 Now, multiply that times all the states in the United States. Oh, my God.
And think about how much money is being made off of keeping people on prescription drugs.

Speaker 3 Did you see the article that I put on my Instagram that they put in the Atlantic? Is it time to torch the Constitution? I did. Did you see that? I did.
It's scary. Same people.
It's scary.

Speaker 3 Same people. They're putting a narrative out there to the general public.
We're like, whoa, he makes a good point. Maybe we should just give up all our power to Satan.

Speaker 3 yeah it literally is they're literally saying should we torch the constitution it's crazy it's scary the only thing that protects us and i i say this i feel like i woke up and became my grandpa i remember him always bitching about politics and i'm not politically he probably barely knew yes right you consider how much information was available to your grandpa

Speaker 3 He just had a sort of a nagging suspicion that it's all corrupt and crooked.

Speaker 2 And I'm an idealist. I want to believe that, like,

Speaker 2 I want to believe that people are looking for the truth. I want to believe that the,

Speaker 2 and I told you this, even with the DOJ and what I saw with enforcement bodies,

Speaker 2 when your data sets are corrupt and the only info you're receiving is from bad sources that are pushing agendas, but those sources also are your future employment when you come out of government service, it just becomes a dangerous, dangerous, slippery slope.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there are often times where enforcement changes legislation through enforcement.

Speaker 2 Like right now, the DEA is reviewing if they're going to allow telemedicine companies to continue to prescribe testosterone.

Speaker 2 And that's crazy to me because it's like all these issues we have, all the chronic disease, there is not a testosterone crisis. This is not like the opioid crisis.
There's not a lot of divergence.

Speaker 3 Or even the GLP-1 crisis.

Speaker 2 It's, yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, the amount of people that are having side effects of that in comparison to the testosterone thing.

Speaker 2 And that's where, you know, you and I disagree somewhat on the GLP ones. Jillian and I disagree on the GLP.
Callie and Casey and I disagree on

Speaker 2 it's okay to disagree. There's nothing wrong with having different.

Speaker 3 I understand your perspective. Your perspective is for chronically obese, like really morbidly obese people, we need to do something.
And this is a very good step.

Speaker 3 And it does work and it can help people. It is a very good step.

Speaker 3 I'm the hardcore disciplined guy. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is something that you can solve just by eating less.

Speaker 3 Something you can solve by cutting out sugar, cutting out sodas,

Speaker 3 eating whole ingredient foods, eating fish and chicken and red meat and vegetables and cutting out all the bullshit. That's right.
No, that's spot on. That's real.
That's a real thing that you can do.

Speaker 3 However, if you're 600 pounds, and if you've gone so far down the wrong road, you need a hand.

Speaker 2 You need someone. And that's where I'm like, if I was pushing an agenda, I have a ton to gain by GLP1s going gangbusters.
I'm not on that bandwagon.

Speaker 2 I literally sat there with the Senate meeting and said, this is crazy if we government fund prescribing GLP1s to children. That's insanity.

Speaker 2 I think we need to fix our food products in schools. We need to limit soft drinks and advertising to children.
Like, there's a million things we could do.

Speaker 2 that are way more logical and reasonable than starting to stick a kid with an injectable that they're going to take the rest of their life.

Speaker 3 But it's not as profitable. Yeah, that's the real problem.
And the advertisements about that, they seem to me the same advertisement.

Speaker 3 It's the same feeling I get when I see advertising about giving babies COVID vaccines. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, you're just trying to make money.

Speaker 3 You're not trying to protect babies from COVID. That's fucking nonsense.
It's not a problem with them. It's just not.
It's just statistically not an issue.

Speaker 3 It's certainly not an issue for you to be promoting this potentially dangerous dangerous remedy.

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Speaker 2 The HEP V vaccines that all those little kids had to get, and I didn't think about it at the time, But again, hearing some of my friends like Callie and Casey talk about it, the vaccine schedule is crazy because you're giving a child a brand new baby, essentially a HEP B vaccine.

Speaker 2 The only two ways to contract hepatitis B is

Speaker 2 basically you're injecting drugs or sexual activity. An infant's not going to have that.

Speaker 2 So why expose them to the risk factor of a potential adverse event when we know autism rates are through the roof? All of these different health issues for children are climbing.

Speaker 2 And at some point, we have to assess what we're doing and say, isn't there a better way? But I know enough about how that system works and how things are negotiated on the back end and the lobby.

Speaker 2 And now it's established and now it's hammered home. And then you assemble and you go have a meet with all the pediatricians nationwide.

Speaker 2 And you have people as spokesperson that push that agenda and get senators and congressmen and women on the hook to go, yes, we need these vaccines incorporated as part of our policy to protect these children.

Speaker 2 And I don't think it's not that it was,

Speaker 2 I don't think everyone's in on it. I think people are being duped and it's so siloed.
That's one of the other things you and I have talked about historically with medicine. Medicine's so siloed.

Speaker 2 They don't look at the full human body.

Speaker 2 They look at, I'm a knee guy and I'm going to look at the knee, or I'm a mental health specialist and I'm going to talk to this patient about their mental health.

Speaker 2 But your mental health is intertwined with your physical health. Your mental health, and this is what Dr.
Palmer from Harvard talks about.

Speaker 2 You know, if we have metabolic disease and all these metabolic crises,

Speaker 2 it's going to lead to mental health issues.

Speaker 3 No question. Well, there's been proven studies that show that SSRIs aren't as effective as exercise by a large measurable amount.

Speaker 3 Like exercise is more effective at curing depression and treating depression than SSRIs. That's a fact.
Yep.

Speaker 3 But you know, you can't make money off of someone running around this block unless you sell them sneakers. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You can only sell them one pair of sneakers like every six months.

Speaker 2 Well, and we're in the what scares me

Speaker 2 and again, not to shit on the GLP-1s because we prescribe GLP-1s, we utilize GLP-1s, they are a tool in the tool belt, and when utilized appropriately, they can help people.

Speaker 2 But a hammer can kill someone if used inappropriately.

Speaker 2 And so if we make it our frontline defense, and again, we go back to the chronic disease crisis in America and we say, okay, the food system's broke, then the people end up chronically ill, then we don't really assess people until, and

Speaker 2 our assessment tools in a primary care market are based off a sick patient population.

Speaker 2 If we base the demographic off the average American that is dying of chronic diseases and that is our measuring stick, then why are we shocked when we continue to have a boom in people dying of chronic diseases and being diagnosed with chronic diseases?

Speaker 2 Cancer, all-time high. I think there's going to be 2 million new cases of cancer diagnosed this year.
Every single chronic disease is through the roof. The system is not working.

Speaker 3 I want to talk about you because one of the things that's interesting about this is like you were unhealthy at one point in time and you were overweight.

Speaker 3 And this is how you kind of started this journey. And maybe a lot of people aren't aware of that.
Yeah. Like you weren't,

Speaker 3 you had to learn all this stuff and you had to learn all this stuff through your own personal health crisis. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was,

Speaker 2 what was I 29, 30 years old,

Speaker 2 early 30s, and I was 25% 25% body fat, pre-diabetic, headed towards all the same chronic diseases that we're talking about. What was your diet like?

Speaker 2 My diet, I had, well, originally my diet was terrible. It was a traditional American diet, right? So I was a surgical rep and I had to be in the OR by 7 a.m.

Speaker 2 And so I would go do CrossFit every morning, then I'd go to the OR. I'd be in cases all day.
I would eat whatever I could.

Speaker 2 I would drink a Starbucks Frappuccino, not realizing there's 1,800 calories of sugar and chemicals and no nutrients. I just didn't know.

Speaker 2 And I grew up in a family, again, a foster family where we were middle-class America, but in maybe it was the 80s, eating healthy was like eating wheat bread instead of white bread.

Speaker 2 It was eating low-fat, lazy potato chips and a Diet Coke. That's literally what my family thought was healthy.
And that's a lot of Americans. They don't know.
And

Speaker 2 you just stay with what you're indoctrinated into.

Speaker 2 So I started seeing a nutritionist in my 30s and I I did lean down and I lost weight and I was getting healthier and I was headed the right direction and I was still training.

Speaker 2 But he was like, if you're doing everything I'm saying, and so let me take a step back. I would go to a primary care and it would take three months to get in with a primary care.

Speaker 2 Then they would just pull a basic lipid panel and then I would say, well, can we look at my hormones? No, no, we don't need to look at hormones. We're going to look at your lipid panel.

Speaker 2 We're going to do a wellness check. Well, that doesn't include hormones.
in this country.

Speaker 2 It's not a deep dive because they're scared to do that because the insurance companies control what they'll reimburse and not reimburse.

Speaker 2 And so clinicians in this country are terrified to do the deep dive and they only have six minutes with you. So they got to get you in and out of there.

Speaker 2 Long story short, six months later, still fat, still trying to lose weight. working out every day, seeing a nutritionist.
Nutritionist said, I want to refer you to a urology buddy, Dr.

Speaker 2 Larry Lipschultz, who's one of the godfathers of urology and hormone optimization in the United States.

Speaker 2 And when I went and met with Larry, he was shocked after he pulled my blood work and was, we actually did it twice because he just didn't believe my readings.

Speaker 2 And my testosterone level after seeing him was 98. Oh my God.
It's, it's insane. And he's like a woman.
But I know it was terrible.

Speaker 2 And so he's like, of course you're, he's like, I don't know if you're, if you're fat because, yeah, I told this story before.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you're fat because you have low testosterone or if you have low testosterone because you're fat. But you are fat with low testosterone.
And so that was my baseline.

Speaker 3 And through just eating.

Speaker 3 When you went to the nutritionist.

Speaker 2 Then I was using the nutritionist but then it was a question of was the hole was did I dig too big of a hole and then I was in the question is are you over training and you're crashing what little hormones you have left and your body's trying to get ramped up so we ended up treating at the time with HCG clomaphenyl let me ask you this what what did the nutritionist tell you to do oh we prioritize protein one gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass we cleaned up my diet if you make protein the basis of your diet because you need a gram of protein for per pound of lean muscle mass to maintain If you're trying to gain lean muscle mass, you have to up that protein intake and then based off diet and our lifestyle and activity level.

Speaker 2 And so we would prioritize my carbs through certain times of the day. We would keep me at a caloric deficit and we'd prioritize protein in that caloric deficit.
And what you'll find is mind-blowing.

Speaker 2 You aren't as hungry. If I don't eat

Speaker 2 a muffin and a Starbucks coffee loaded with sugar, I don't have that insulin response that causes the hunger cravings a few hours later where I'm back to eating another unhealthy meal choice.

Speaker 2 If you eat protein first, eggs,

Speaker 2 hearty, heavy foods, dense nutrient-packed foods, your appetite is suppressed. It's a natural appetite.
You can't overeat. It's really hard to overeat meat.

Speaker 3 It is.

Speaker 2 And so we prioritize proteins, healthy proteins like chickens, fish,

Speaker 2 all of those sources, and then healthy carbs. Get away from sugars, whites, starches.

Speaker 2 Prioritize healthy carbohydrate sources that are slower burning, that allow you to metabolize the protein that you're absorbing.

Speaker 3 Fruits and vegetables.

Speaker 3 So how much weight did you lose that way?

Speaker 2 I literally went, well, starting on diet, I probably lost about half of the weight that I was trying to get off.

Speaker 2 So I know body fat percentage, he got me from 25 down to about 15. And then when we added hormone optimization,

Speaker 2 not testosterone at the time, it was HCG and clomiphene, which boost your natural testosterone levels, being monitored by a clinician within physiological norms, right, to try and make sure that we're optimizing my health, not trying to get jacked and tan.

Speaker 2 It literally helped me go from 15 to, at the time, I think I dropped down to around 7%.

Speaker 2 And I did not change anything. I was working out the same way, eating the same.

Speaker 3 7% is very lean.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And now I walk around 12 to 15.
That's sustainable. And I think in my 40s, that's a level that makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 But I think the way to do that is you don't wait for people to get chronically chronically ill. I should have never been at 25% body fat.

Speaker 2 If we were getting proactive and predictive and we were truly doing deep dives into individuals and taking the time for our clinicians in this country to sit down and assess you at the biological level, then we can prevent these chronic diseases.

Speaker 2 And I'm not talking about through... pharmaceutical intervention.
We can prevent these through diet, lifestyle, nutrition, and helping teach the patient that there's a better way.

Speaker 2 And if we need to involve pharmaceutical intervention, it's there.

Speaker 2 There's options out there that can help patients kickstart their health and wellness, especially people in their 40s.

Speaker 3 So when you did this, how much time did it take overall from the original nutrition intervention to hormone optimization? Like how much time are we talking about?

Speaker 2 It took about a year.

Speaker 2 And that's what gets crazy with the insurance model. So a lot of people don't know this.
Like most insurance carers in the U.S. don't don't practice preventative.

Speaker 2 So testosterone would be considered a lifestyle drug.

Speaker 2 The challenge with like an issue like the DEA, if they really do over-regulate testosterone and shut telemedicine companies down from prescribing it, it's going to limit accessibility for these patients because primary carers don't want to prescribe it, right?

Speaker 2 And so they're going to punt them off to a urologist.

Speaker 2 Typically, for an insurance company to cover it, you've got to have two or more fasted blood tests of a testosterone below 250 nanograms per deciliter. So that's a chronically ill man.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's to come back twice, I mean, that's going to take you six months to get in with that urology. That's in the dream world.

Speaker 2 So just to get the insurance coverage, you're talking six months to a year. And by then, that patient has been chronically ill, headed towards metabolic disease, diabetes.

Speaker 2 You know, we know that testosterone is important to insulating us from certain types of cancer. It's important to our metabolic health, our bone mineral density, our lean muscle mass.

Speaker 2 All of these tie into health and longevity and health span and preventing chronic disease.

Speaker 3 Do you think that the reason why they make it very difficult to get hormone optimization is because if more people get hormone optimization, more people are not on these medications?

Speaker 2 I think somewhat, yes. But I also think

Speaker 2 the insurance model is an obstructionist model, right? And so I can give you a different example with the opioid crisis. You know, know, there were non-addictive, non-abusive pain creams, okay?

Speaker 2 If somebody is going to be put on, they have an ACL surgery, they're in pain.

Speaker 2 I'm not here to say there's no need to ever have a pain pill, but in those instances, there were alternatives that are non-abusive, non-addictive.

Speaker 3 What are the alternatives?

Speaker 2 There were ketamine-based pain creams that were topicals that could not be diverted or you couldn't extrapolate the ketamine out of it and abuse it.

Speaker 2 So nobody ever got high or stimulated from it because it's a cream that you can't extrapolate the ketamine out of. So you could not abuse it.
You couldn't divert it if you wanted to.

Speaker 3 So it just works locally?

Speaker 2 It just works locally to address that knee pain. Insurance within 12 months quit covering it because those creams cost hundreds of dollars, whereas an opioid's like, I think $10 a month, right?

Speaker 2 And then the other thing you'll find is the pharmacy benefit managers who the insurance companies own, have reimbursement deals on certain drugs.

Speaker 2 So when you get a drug, it's not because it's the best drug or the most efficacious drug.

Speaker 2 It's because the PBM, Pharmacy Benefit Manager, has negotiated a rebate and decided to place that drug on tier one or tier two based off their financial incentive in that drug.

Speaker 2 Testosterone has been on the market so long, it's compounded a million places. There is no rebate for the big pharmaceutical companies or the big insurance companies on testosterone, right?

Speaker 2 And so it's just an additional cost. And so the more they can can obstruct things that cost money but don't pay dividends back to them, they'll put obstructions in the way.

Speaker 2 So another example is not only did they shut down alternatives to opioids during an opioid crisis, they also cut lab reimbursements on toxicology screenings.

Speaker 2 At the same time that we're on an opioid bender as a nation, they got rid of the last safety net, which was if you come into a pain clinic asking for opioids, they're going to make you do a toxicology screen to make sure that you're not abusing other drugs, that you're not diverting the drug, that this medication is actually in your system.

Speaker 2 All of those reimbursements used to be covered by insurance companies, but they got rid of that. And so as soon as they got rid of that, there was no checks and balances.
And so it is layered.

Speaker 2 It's very nuanced. It's never as simple as yes or no.
And I'm just... I'm telling you what I saw.

Speaker 3 I'm just trying to tell you what I saw. I'm not saying I have all the answers.
Leggy Hedger. That's there.

Speaker 3 But, I mean, that's all highlighted in that Netflix documentary that Peter Berg made about the Sackler family, which is

Speaker 3 not documentary, which you call a docudrama series. That fucking series is so enraging.
And after that, you know, that one guy that they kept in a hotel room for like two days. Head of the FDA.

Speaker 3 Who knows what they did for that guy to that guy? What the fuck did they do to him? They got him to approve that. They found that guy.

Speaker 3 That guy was in a small town in New Hampshire and they ostracized him. People were just, the sheriff was like

Speaker 3 trying to highlight how many people in the community had died of opioid overdose and how much blood was on his hands.

Speaker 2 Well, he took a job with the Sacklers.

Speaker 2 He worked at the FDA, approved that, took a job with Sacklers, which I know we've beat that horse dead too, but 13 out of the 15 last.

Speaker 2 out of the last 15 heads of the FDA, 13 have gone to work for industry. You know, and that's tough.
That puts everyone in a tough position.

Speaker 2 If we're going to allow people to work one place one month and then go work for the bad guys the following month.

Speaker 3 It's so illegal. How can i regulate it? How is that legal?

Speaker 2 A lot of people don't know the Sacklers, that was their second time creating a crisis in America. In the 70s, they created the volume crisis.
They got all the women.

Speaker 2 I think it was one in three housewives were addicted to volume in the 70s.

Speaker 3 Congress in three.

Speaker 2 The Sacklers were, Congress went after the Sacklers then and they ended up taking a settlement and they paid their way out of it. Slap on the wrist, no criminal charges ever brought forward.

Speaker 2 And they rode off into the sunset after creating this volume crisis of the late 70s, early 80s.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Jamie, pull up that tweet that I sent you from Jay Bhattacharya.

Speaker 3 So, Michael Pollan,

Speaker 3 you know, he's highlighted the dangers of pesticides.

Speaker 3 The USDA funded a PR organization that worked with agricultural interests to downplay the harms of pesticides in farming and to compile defamatory dossiers on opponents of pesticide use, including food writer Michael Pollan.

Speaker 3 Just imagine that the USDA

Speaker 3 spends money to defame people, using your tax dollars, spends money to defame people that are trying to tell you that there is poison in your food.

Speaker 3 Measurable amounts, something along the lines of 90 plus percent of Americans have

Speaker 3 Roundup in their system. They have glyphosate in their system from crops.

Speaker 2 That's one of the things I learned too, 5% of the human brain mass and weight is now made of, is now plastics.

Speaker 2 We learned that in the hearing too. 5%? Blew my mind.
Never heard that statistic.

Speaker 3 Oh my God. Terrifying.
Revealed the U.S. government's funded private social network attacking pesticide critics.
So what does it say about this?

Speaker 3 2017, two United Nations experts called for a treaty to strictly regulate dangerous pesticides, which they said were a global human rights concern, which, by the way, Roundup is illegal in a lot of countries.

Speaker 3 Citing scientific research showing pesticides can cause cancers, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, and other health problems.

Speaker 3 Publicly, the pesticide industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded and sensational assertions.

Speaker 2 What's crazy is this is Monsanto, which is also Bayer. And we talked about that.

Speaker 2 This is the company that knowingly infected people with HIV HIV and shipped it to third world countries because

Speaker 2 their hemophilia drug had been contaminated and they knew they'd get busted if they shipped it in the U.S.

Speaker 2 So they shipped it to third world countries and knowingly infected thousands of people with HIV.

Speaker 2 And we're trusting these people?

Speaker 3 Look what it says here. Publicly, the pesticide industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded in social assertions.
And private, industry advocates have gone further.

Speaker 3 Derogatory profiles of the two UN experts, Hilal Elver and Basquat,

Speaker 3 are hosted on an online private portal for pesticide company employees and a range of influential allies.

Speaker 3 Members can access a wide range of personal information about hundreds of individuals from around the world deemed a threat to industry interests, including the U.S.

Speaker 3 food writers Michael Pollan and Mark Brittman, the Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva, and the Nigerian activist, you say that one.

Speaker 3 How do you say that? How do you think you say that name? Nimo Basi. Nimamo.

Speaker 2 Ninamo Basi. Ni

Speaker 3 Nimo. Nimamo Basi.
Many profiles include personal details such as the names of family members, phone numbers, home addresses, even house values.

Speaker 3 The profiling is part of an effort which is financed in part by U.S.

Speaker 3 taxpayer dollars to downplay pesticide dangers, discredit opponents, and undermine international policymaking according to court records, emails, and other documents obtained by the nonprofit newsroom Lighthouse Reports.

Speaker 3 It corroborated with The Guardian, the New Lead, Le Monde, Africa Uncensored, and Australian Broadcast Corporation and other international media partners on the publication of this investigation.

Speaker 3 The efforts were spearheaded by a reputation management firm in Missouri called VFluence.

Speaker 3 The company provides services that it describes as intelligence gathering, proprietary data mining, and risk communications.

Speaker 3 The revelations demonstrate how industry advocates have established a private social network to counter resistance to pesticides and genetically modified crops in Africa, Europe, and parts of the world while also denigrating organic and other alternative farming methods.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 2 I mean, it doesn't, it's just,

Speaker 2 I think it was Jason during the testimony.

Speaker 2 He said, and this resonated with me, do we need double-blind studies to know that chemicals we spray on pesticides and chemicals we spray on fields that cause disruption in mitochondria of insects and destroy them at the cellular level might possibly, can we at least say might possibly create some sort of issue

Speaker 2 with other biological beings.

Speaker 3 That's an unfounded assertion. More than 30 current government officials are on the membership list, most of whom are from the U.S.
Department of Agriculture. This is so crazy.

Speaker 3 It's so crazy that this is so blatant. And that's the thing.

Speaker 2 What gives me hope, Joe, is they were willing to talk. That does give me hope, Joe.
Like, the Senate,

Speaker 2 they took a risk, man. They took a risk.
They allowed us to come in. They did say, hey, we recommend you don't go too hard in the paint.
And everyone said, fuck that. And they just dropped bombs.

Speaker 2 Like, they have to. They're insiders from their space, and they know.

Speaker 3 The only way it's going to affect people is these viral video clips have to go online, and people have to share them on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter.

Speaker 3 Thank God they can, you know, because who knows if the government could clamp down on it the way they have in other countries.

Speaker 3 Other countries have severely clamped down, and there's been some real issues in America, but America still is the best place to distribute information. I mean, X is banned in Brazil right now, right?

Speaker 3 There's a lot of shenanigans going on all throughout the world where people are trying to control narratives. And it's fucking spooky.

Speaker 2 If we look at it, if we really look at it, if it wasn't for you,

Speaker 2 I would have never met RFK. And if it wasn't for going on your show, I would have never got my message out there.
If it wasn't for Tucker's podcast, Callie would have never got his message out there.

Speaker 2 And Casey.

Speaker 3 Well, it wasn't for you. You know how banged up I'd be, dude?

Speaker 3 How many times you've helped me with stem cells?

Speaker 3 I talk about it all the time, but I I know there's a gentleman that I'm friends with that I've just been talking to who's going, he's about to go to a disc, he's getting his discs fused.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, Jesus, have you looked into other options? Have you looked into stem cells?

Speaker 3 I mean, you could go to Tijuana, and I know those guys at the CPI have treated many people, including my friend Shane Dorian. He had fantastic results.
My friend Tom Land in Utah as well.

Speaker 3 He went down there and got his spine injected. Fantastic results.

Speaker 2 I tell people all the time, like

Speaker 2 I love CPI. I love all these guys.

Speaker 2 like all ships rise and fall with the tide we're in this together our battle is not each other our battle is the federal government you're very very good about that I think that's very important to say that you know you're not like a competitor of these people you feel like there's more than enough for everybody and you're more than happy that these people are around I'm just glad there's a voice because we've got to get the message out there that there are alternatives and this

Speaker 2 it's almost like a fairy tale that they've told the American people that hey if it's an FDA product and it's in a hospital or your doctor tells you it's good as gold, it's science, and it's not.

Speaker 3 A lot of it's never been researched. A lot of these doctors, unfortunately, are ignorant as to all these other remedies that are effective.

Speaker 2 I can tell you, working with primary care, there's some of the hardest working, most patient-focused folks out there, and they're just tired. They're beat down, they're exhausted.

Speaker 2 They've got to see 40 people a day. Most of them are now employees of a hospital.
And so the hospital doesn't really care about the primary market because it doesn't make money.

Speaker 2 The reason you have the primary care market is to control the referral network to the hospital system.

Speaker 2 And so they need those primaries referring knees, shoulders, elbows, hearts, spine, you know, brain, neurosurgeries. That's where the money is made.

Speaker 2 That's where they can really bill insurance companies and get big reimbursements.

Speaker 3 But I think it's also what I was saying that a lot of these doctors aren't aware that this stuff works. I told you about my shoulder injury.

Speaker 3 When I went to the doctor, he told me, you are going to have to have surgery. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're going to have to bite the bullet one day and have surgery. And I was like, shit.

Speaker 3 He goes, you could try other things and it might help you for a little while, but you're going to have to have surgery.

Speaker 3 The only thing that gave him pause is when he did the strength tests with me, where he pushed down my arm and did all that kind of shit.

Speaker 3 But I just think that's because the muscle around the damaged joint was strong. And so he was like, well, you know, you're pretty functional.

Speaker 3 He goes, The MRI, you shouldn't be able to do all this stuff according to your MRI.

Speaker 2 We still battle that. I can tell you, GSP, he's coming in again this week and he's talked about us.
I think on Europod, he's posted about us. He's the man.
He's amazing.

Speaker 2 But when I met him, he was a skeptic. And he said, I know I'm talking to you because of Joe, but like, my doctor said this is bullshit.
I'm up in Canada.

Speaker 2 And he said that there's no such thing and that I have to have surgery to fix this shoulder. We fixed his shoulder.
He's posted about it. He never had surgery.
He went back in.

Speaker 2 The doctor's like, I don't know what you're doing. And there are dozens of NFL athletes we've worked with.

Speaker 2 I don't think any of them other than Aaron Rodgers has told their doctor that they're working with us, like big name athletes, but they're scared of the team doctor. Yeah, well, Kurt.

Speaker 3 He goes to Aaron because the team doctor was trying to tell him to avoid all that stuff, including stem cells.

Speaker 3 It's just nuts. And I think the doctors aren't doing it because they're bad people.
I think they don't know. I think they don't have time to do the deep dives.

Speaker 3 Most doctors, how much peer-reviewed literature do you think most doctors who are in orthopedic surgeons, who are in practice, how much are they absorbing? How much time do they have?

Speaker 3 Between malpractice insurance, between medical school bills that they're in debt with, between the overhead that they have to run their practice.

Speaker 3 I mean, they have to get people in and out of the office quickly.

Speaker 2 Well, and you also go back to who funds studies and who funds.

Speaker 2 When I worked as a med device rep, I can tell you we funded studies, but those studies were going to be focused on and geared towards moving our products. Of course.

Speaker 2 And so we didn't have a stem cell or biological product because we sold hardware and we wanted ACL surgeries, shoulder surgeries, knee surgeries, because that's how the company made its living.

Speaker 2 And so, again, it wasn't that we were against it or trying to destroy it. It was more of if you can trivialize it and focus on what makes you your check, that's where everyone's at.

Speaker 2 And everyone's so compartmentalized, it's easy to almost have plausible deniability.

Speaker 2 So like somebody comes in with to a primary care and they're overweight and they're diabetic and they're anxious and they're not sleeping.

Speaker 2 The doctor's going to write them five drugs and push them out the door, not because they're a bad person, but because that is how we teach clinicians to practice medicine in this country. Right.

Speaker 2 That is the dogma of the situation we're in. They're taught prescribe first, ask questions later.
Rather than deep dive, understand the root cause of the disease.

Speaker 2 Let's understand what is this person, like the question you asked me. What are you eating? How much sleep are you getting? Are you getting sunlight?

Speaker 3 But all this takes time. Correct.
This is the issue. If you want to move people in and out of the office, all this takes time.

Speaker 3 One of the things that you guys do at Waste Well is you do comprehensive blood analysis. You know, when I sit down with Denise, my eyes glaze over and it's my body.
You know,

Speaker 3 it's like, God, there's so many details to cover. Yeah.
There's so many things. But by following those directions, I've noticed a giant difference in my overall health.

Speaker 2 You know, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 It is amazing.

Speaker 3 And it's just, it's unfortunate that this kind of resource is not available to more people, where more people don't have access to a doctor that's going to look at them comprehensively, look at their whole body.

Speaker 3 Like if you were going to take care of your yard, if you're trying to grow plants in your yard, and your trees are all dying, your vegetables weren't growing, if you had the resources, you can go to a botanist or you could go to someone who understands farming, someone who's a scientist, and you could say, what's wrong?

Speaker 3 And they could do soil analysis. And, you know, my friend Steve actually did this.

Speaker 3 He was trying to put a um steve vanilla was trying to put a garden in his house in brooklyn and they found that leaded gasoline from all those years from like the 1960s all those years where they used leaded gasoline in brooklyn you know because it's polluted all that shit had gotten so deep in the soil that it was this so his backyard was contaminated with leaded gasoline and so you have to do a detox on the backyard so there's certain plants that you can plant that can help in that process.

Speaker 3 There's certain treatments to the soil that can help in that process. Why aren't we doing that with a body?

Speaker 3 If you do that with your backyard, I know. If you do that with your backyard, just think about it.

Speaker 2 I can give you another example. Like one of the tests we do, and I don't promote it.
It's expensive and it's because the lab we use is expensive, but it is amazing and it's a cancer screening.

Speaker 2 And so we in our healthcare system today only screen for essentially proactively five different types of cancer, tumor-based cancers.

Speaker 2 Okay, well well, there's a blood test that can screen for over 200 tumor-based cancers, and it can tell you when you're at a

Speaker 2 when you at level zero, right? Undistinguishable, because usually how they're diagnosing is through

Speaker 2 imaging. And so, the challenge with imaging is the pixelation, right? The image can't capture the cellular level.
Blood work can.

Speaker 2 So, at the cellular level, we can tell you when you're at stage zero on a cancer up to seven years prior to you developing cancer on over 200 different types of cancer.

Speaker 2 Why would that not be implemented into our health care system? Or at minimal, what I argued with the senator about was, okay.

Speaker 2 Let's just say we can't afford this for all Americans. Why in the hell wouldn't we at minimal be doing this for our firefighters, our military veterans?

Speaker 2 We know that over 70% of firefighters and military veterans will develop cancer in their lifetime.

Speaker 2 It's staggering because of dealing with ballistics and weapons and guns and all of those are carcinogens.

Speaker 2 Firefighters are dealing with smoke and smoke inhalation and all the different chemicals they come in contact with.

Speaker 3 I never thought about that in terms of guns, like shooting guns. Like what when you shoot guns, like if you go to a range and shoot guns, like how much toxic chemicals are you absorbing?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 Well, all that gets in your skin and and gets absorbed through the skin. So there are there's carcinogens in all of those things.

Speaker 3 Especially indoors, right?

Speaker 3 Like an indoor range versus an outdoor range?

Speaker 2 And it's disproportionate. Our first responders and our military personnel disproportionately have higher cancer rates.

Speaker 3 Well, especially firefighters. Yeah, think about all the things that they breathe in that are on fire.

Speaker 3 I mean, look at how many veterans have suffered because of burn pits, which is an insane thing that they did. They said, oh, we have all this garbage.

Speaker 3 What's the most cost-effective way to get rid of it?

Speaker 3 Let's make a massive fire that runs 24 hours a day and throw tires in it, fucking plastic, everything, whatever the fuck you got laying around, throw it in that burn pit.

Speaker 3 Oh, and when the wind blows and that shit goes straight through camp, that's what everybody's breathing. Yep.
And who knows how many people develop cancer because of that?

Speaker 3 I know multiple people that I know personally that have developed severe illnesses and even died because of that.

Speaker 2 Well, and you can even see when we talk about diet and food and environment, it's even happening.

Speaker 3 Wasn't it Biden's son? Didn't he develop a, I think he developed a disease that was theorized that it came from burn pits. Oh, I don't know.
See if you find that. I believe that's true.

Speaker 3 I believe that's true. I believe he served.
It wasn't Matt.

Speaker 3 No, that was the other son. Well, and son was the good guy.
Biden addresses possible link between son's fatal brain cancer and toxic military burn pits. Isn't that insane? His own son.

Speaker 3 That's so crazy. So he couldn't even protect his own son.
I mean, he's a powerful politician.

Speaker 3 His own son.

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Speaker 3 To the test.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I'm telling you what I saw and I'm being honest and I'm trying my best.
I am not fucking political. Left, right, different wings to the same bird.

Speaker 2 Like I will say right now, the right is talking about this because of Bobby Kennedy.

Speaker 2 And I know that Trump is wanting to meet next week as a health expo to dive in and try and understand from people in the industry what's going on behind the scenes and how we're headed towards this chronic disease crisis.

Speaker 2 But what gets scarier is if we don't get this under wraps, we've got a rapidly aging patient population. We have a rapid decline in the amount of primary cares.

Speaker 2 You know, I talked about this last time. We're going to have a 30% shortage in primary cares, and it already takes three months to get in with a primary care.
We're headed over a cliff.

Speaker 2 We have got to get chronic disease under control in this nation, and we've got to do it fast.

Speaker 3 And I want to say something too: there's a lot of people that vehemently disagree with a lot of this stuff, and there's a lot of people online, like the people that write the articles, the woo-woo stuff.

Speaker 3 They just don't know. There's no way they actually knew what was going on in a comprehensive way and would still write those articles.
You would have to be evil.

Speaker 3 I don't think those people that are writing those articles are evil.

Speaker 3 I think they're doing a job and I think they're being directed and I think they're being directed by people that have a vested interest in this information, just like we talked about with that USDA thing.

Speaker 3 They have a vested interest in this information being dismissed and there's money behind it. There's a financial interest in it.

Speaker 2 They try to say if we can't agree on one topic, that we have to disagree on all topics. And that's the most frustrating thing to me.
My neighbor is amazing. She's an amazing person.

Speaker 2 She sent me a message and was like, you know, Bobby Kennedy sold out and blah, I'm not, I don't care about the Maha movement. And I'm like, this isn't about Maha or Trump or anything.

Speaker 2 This is about people.

Speaker 3 Because she's a hardcore liberal. Yes.
But I'm like, this is about people, though.

Speaker 2 And don't let them fool you.

Speaker 3 Don't let them fool you.

Speaker 2 I agree. I don't agree with the Republicans on Hatch's thing.

Speaker 3 The problem is Trump as a person,

Speaker 3 people just react to him in

Speaker 3 the most negative way.

Speaker 3 And they are fully convinced that all of his negative character traits, all these negative things are unbefitting to a president, and therefore he shouldn't be president.

Speaker 3 I think anybody who wants to be president is fucking insane. They're all insane.
I think it's just like kind of everybody else that's a leader in almost every industry. I think they're insane people.

Speaker 3 I don't think you get to the top of any heap unless you're out of your fucking mind. And you could be out of your mind in a vicious

Speaker 3 sort of demeaning, attacking all your enemies way like Trump is.

Speaker 3 And it's still the same drive is what led that guy to deal with this shit for four years where they were trying to put him in jail so that he doesn't run again and still run again.

Speaker 3 And they try to kill him twice and he's still running. It's like you.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 He's a way braver man than I am because I was a different tire on in Iowa.

Speaker 3 He's a different kind of human. And my point is, the only way you get someone who's not affected by that is you have to have an insane person.

Speaker 3 It's literally the best tool for the job because everybody else, all the

Speaker 3 different trial, the 34 counts,

Speaker 3 which were not felonies, which they upgraded from a misdemeanor, which passed the statute of limitations. All of them were bookkeeping errors or mislabeling things, which is illegal.

Speaker 3 They're minor offenses that would not get anybody prosecuted, much less put in fucking jail, real potential for him being in jail. And people want him to put him in jail.

Speaker 3 They want to put him in jail for a long fucking time. And it's crazy.
You're doing it at the same time where ICE admits that what are the numbers of murderers?

Speaker 3 and convicted criminals that have made it into this country. It's something bananas.
And this is just verified. This is verified data.
Do you know what it is, Jamie?

Speaker 3 Because I could find it because somebody sent it to me and I literally couldn't believe it's real. So I'll send it to you and you can find out if it is real.

Speaker 3 Because if it's true, it's fucking bananas. And

Speaker 3 just the sheer numbers, they're scary. These are scary numbers, man.
It's like no one thinks this is a problem. And I'm not, I'm, look, I am the product of immigration.

Speaker 3 My grandparents came here at a time where it was very easy to come here. And I just sent you a screenshot.
See if you can find out if it's true.

Speaker 3 It was very easy to come here. And a lot of people who came here were criminals.

Speaker 3 Look, a lot of people in my family are criminals. They were Italians in the 1920s.
It was just a lot. My grandmother went to jail.

Speaker 3 When I was a kid, my grandmother went to jail for a bookmaker.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. When you watch The Godfather, the original Godfather, the ties to Italy and how intertwined all that is is wild.
And that's based on like,

Speaker 2 somewhat based on reality.

Speaker 3 My grandmother's sister murdered her husband.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I grew up, I had a these are wild people. These are people that came over on a fucking boat before YouTube.
They didn't even know what it was like over here. They took a chance.

Speaker 3 They took a chance. So I am completely sympathetic to immigrants, but you can't let in fucking gang members.
Okay, there got to be some kind of screening.

Speaker 3 You want to make it easier to get in for people that are hardworking people that just want a better job? I'm with you.

Speaker 3 I'm with you. Just make it easier for them to get in.
Make it easier for the people that have been here for 20 years to become citizens. Make yes.

Speaker 3 I know people. I know a kid who was, she's 28 now.
She was born in America, but her, no, she was born in Mexico, but her parents brought her over here when she was a baby.

Speaker 3 So she doesn't speak Spanish. She has been...
in America her whole fucking life and she's not an American citizen. So she can't vote.
She's limited in the kind of jobs she can do. It's fucking weird.

Speaker 3 It's weird that we do that, but yet my grandparents just came over on a boat and fucking, they write a piece of paper and they're in. It's nuts.
Like

Speaker 3 we should have a screening process to keep evil people out. That's it.
Everyone else, look, can you imagine if you're born in Guatemala?

Speaker 3 Wouldn't you want to come over here and get a job as a landscaper? Fuck, you could make 600 bucks a week, 700 bucks a week. Oh my God.

Speaker 3 And then you live in a family, in a house with a bunch of people, which they're used to doing anyway. And then someone branches off and makes their own business.

Speaker 3 And all of a sudden, you're living the American dream, right? This is what we all want for everybody.

Speaker 3 There's enough for everybody, but you can't let in murderers. Yeah, there's got to be a lot of people.
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 And you can't like let them in and ship them to swing states and then try. I mean, it's just so in your face.

Speaker 3 Ship them to swing states, and then there's all this talk now of amnesty for all the people that came in.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm all for amnesty for the people that have been here their whole life, like this, this girl that I know who's 28 years old now. I'm all for that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that makes no sense. She should be American.
She's a fucking American. She pays sales tax and all this other tax.
But yeah, yeah, those people.

Speaker 3 But there should be some sort of a screening process. You know, if you're in fucking gangs that bring in fentanyl, hey,

Speaker 3 maybe, maybe we shouldn't let that guy in. And this is the whole idea of having borders in the first place.
And what's shocking is if you try to come here legally, it's very difficult.

Speaker 3 I've had friends from Canada, like comedians from Canada that want to move to America. And it's a long fucking process to become an American citizen.
It's difficult and you have to do homework.

Speaker 3 You got to fucking, you got to, you got to answer tests. But if you just walk in, they'll give you money, they'll house you, they'll give you an EBT card, they'll give you food stamps.

Speaker 3 What the fuck are we doing? Well, we must be doing something. So it's either one of two things.
Either we want cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dylan thinks.

Speaker 3 He thinks that the cheap labor market for construction and all these jobs that most people don't want to do anymore, it's falling off a cliff.

Speaker 3 And the best way to sustain those industries is to bring in cheap labor. And the best way to do that is to bring in migrant workers because they're willing to do jobs that a lot of people won't.

Speaker 3 And this is the positive side of like Springfield, Ohio, where people talk about the Haitians that move there. The people that employ these Haitians say these people are hard workers.

Speaker 3 They're so happy to be here. They want the American dream.
That's great. That's what we want.
We want more of that. That's all good.

Speaker 3 But you can't make it insanely difficult for a college-educated person from Norway to move here because they want to do

Speaker 3 literally like when Chamath was on, he explained that when he was over here going through his visa process, they had to show that he was doing something that an American couldn't do.

Speaker 3 You have to be someone of exceptional skill,

Speaker 3 a very difficult person to find.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 you could get a passport. And then, I mean, you can get a green card and eventually became a U.S.
citizen.

Speaker 3 But it's a long process and a difficult process because every year where you go to get your visa renewed, you are at the whim of this person. Who knows if they had a bad day?

Speaker 3 You know, who knows if their fucking wife just started fucking the mailman and they found out about it and she drained their bank account. And he's like, fuck you.
Go back to Canada.

Speaker 3 You know, they can do that to you. They can do that to you at a whim.
But if you walk in, you know, how close you want to get in.

Speaker 2 He's a wildlife photographer for Cabela's, and he, I can't, he's somewhere. That's a great job.
He's somewhere over in Russia, but he, it literally took him years to get his citizenship.

Speaker 2 And he would, he became friends with the girl who worked at the guy who approved his desk and would literally message her. And she'd be like, nope, not today.
Nope, not today.

Speaker 2 And he waited for a day when the guy was having a great day and went and had his meeting and he got his citizenship, but it took him years.

Speaker 2 And now he's working here for Cabela's, shooting wildlife photography and living the dream.

Speaker 2 And he grew up reading in Russia, reading these books about the great West and like he wanted to be a cowboy.

Speaker 2 And and he tells these stories, but he is an example of somebody who believes in the American dream, and that's where I am.

Speaker 3 It's difficult for them to acquire. It's difficult.
So let's see what it says here. Department of Homeland Security spokesperson turned newsweek.
The data in this letter is being misinterpreted.

Speaker 3 The data goes back decades. It includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration.

Speaker 3 Okay, so, but you are still saying that those people are here.

Speaker 3 Noted that his letter that ICE is bound by statutory requirements not to release certain non-citizens from its custody during the pendency of removal proceedings.

Speaker 3 He added that most non-citizens who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for, typically not eligible for release from ICE custody.

Speaker 3 Like, listen, if you fucking kill people, if you're an illegal alien, you sneak across the border and you kill Americans,

Speaker 3 how about nobody's eligible for release? How about that? Let's just start with that.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, if you think about it, if you're a felon in the United States, you're not allowed to vote. So wouldn't it make sense that we don't accept

Speaker 2 somebody with a criminal record into the United States? Like,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 we have a lot of fights that we're already fighting and a lot of budgetary restraints as a society that we can't really dig ourselves out of the hole with right now.

Speaker 3 But we have so much money for Ukraine.

Speaker 3 It may be shocking to hear the Biden-Harris administration is actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal, illegal aliens into our communities, but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case.

Speaker 3 This defies all common sense. Read a statement.
Newsweek has contacted the Harris campaign for comment via email outside of standard working hours. Oh, huh? What does that mean?

Speaker 3 What is standard working hours?

Speaker 3 Oh, that's why they didn't get back to him? It was outside of standard working hours. The email arrived at 5:15.

Speaker 3 Put that back up again.

Speaker 3 Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek the date in this letter is this is the one that said it's being misused.

Speaker 3 So this is a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson says it's being

Speaker 3 misused.

Speaker 3 Scroll that down.

Speaker 3 Scroll that down a little bit further. See what it says there.

Speaker 3 Congressional Republicans voted against them. Twice, the Democratic presidential candidate added, we took executive action to reduce unlawful border crossings.
See, this is the thing that gets weird.

Speaker 3 It's like, you know, they say that Trump, the Biden administration is trying to say that Trump blocked some sort of border wall bill because he wanted it to be something that he could campaign against.

Speaker 3 And so he instructed the Republicans to vote against it.

Speaker 3 There's so much that kind of fuckery. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's the possibility of that being on the table.

Speaker 3 I'm not accusing anyone of doing that, but imagine a world where it's...

Speaker 3 A person could conspire, and I'm not saying they did, but a person could conspire to make something happen because that would be something that they could campaign against.

Speaker 3 Look what you did, and that's how dirty this game is. That's why nobody wants to do it unless you're fucking crazy, unless you're crazy like Trump, and he just waits.

Speaker 3 He sent Mark Cuban a letter when Mark Cuban's television show failed in like 2004 or whatever the fuck it was. And someone posted it on Instagram today.
See if you can find it, Jamie.

Speaker 3 But it's so petty.

Speaker 3 It's so petty. And the fact that he signed it and sent it to him, took time out of his day to type or have someone draft a letter.
Probably didn't type it himself.

Speaker 3 Have someone draft the letter and send it to Mark Cuban in the mail. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But it takes that kind of a person to literally make their way through the system.

Speaker 3 The only way you get through all these attacks. And we've seen the full force of it.
It's like we've seen all the orcs that were hiding in the forest. They all came out.

Speaker 2 The level of hell that those people go through.

Speaker 3 Like this is the letter.

Speaker 3 This is from 2004.

Speaker 3 Mr. Mark Cuban.
Dear Mark, I'm truly sorry to hear that your show has been canceled for lack of ratings.

Speaker 3 When I initially called you to congratulate you on the benefactor, little did you or I realize how disastrous and embarrassing

Speaker 3 it would turn out for you. If you ever decide to do another show, please call me and I'll be happy to lend a helping hand with best wishes.
Don't savage,

Speaker 3 but what a crazy, backhanded

Speaker 3 why.

Speaker 3 I don't understand. I mean, what beef? I don't, they must have some kind of beef.

Speaker 3 They've had a long beef. What is the beef about?

Speaker 3 The guy's hilarious. That is hilarious.

Speaker 3 It's hilarious that he takes time out of his day. Yeah.
Not just like

Speaker 3 say, good, fuck that guy. That show got canceled.
Takes time out of his day yeah to write like

Speaker 3 a conciliatory I'm sorry sorry what's happening to you man yeah you fucking loser like literally writes it in there

Speaker 2 it the whole thing is wild because what's hard is people use those things to distract us and to divide us and like even with my neighbor I know we agree on 80% of the things it's like hey I'm not against or for anyone.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm not against Kamala. I'm not against Trump.
I'm for team humanity. I am for

Speaker 2 can we work together to solve the problem? And whoever wins, whether Trump or Kamala, I hope that we can continue the momentum in the dialogue.

Speaker 2 And I hope that, you know, we can truly have an open conversation that gains traction. And what I love about it being public is it's forever memorialized in public record.

Speaker 3 I think there's no hiding it.

Speaker 3 Yes, and I think it will, and especially in today's day, with I've seen so many videos sent me of your testimony, and I've had them recommended to me on Instagram too from accounts that I don't even follow.

Speaker 3 So it's getting around. But I think

Speaker 3 what's also interesting is that social chaos,

Speaker 3 it unveils things. It unveils things about human beings.
And that is one of the benefits of having a guy that you can decide is Hitler.

Speaker 3 Like, even though half the country loves him, half the country loves that dude. Maybe more than half the country now.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of silent loves that guy people because they realize like there's not a lot of other options out of this other than a fucking crazy person who would write Mike Cuban, Mark Cuban, a letter like that.

Speaker 3 You need to be insane to pull this off. Yeah.
And you might need to be insane in a way that you or I would find distasteful.

Speaker 2 It is insanity because even at a smaller level, just testifying in front of the Senate, the level of hate and just

Speaker 2 like misrepresentations of truth. I don't even want to call it lies, but to me it's lies.
The level of like misrepresentation and taking things out of context. And it just

Speaker 2 doesn't seem genuine and it doesn't seem like people are really fighting for truth.

Speaker 3 They're fighting for genuine ashamed. You were genuinely shook by it, but I told you what I told you is the truth.
Nobody cares. Don't read it.
Nobody cares.

Speaker 3 Don't read anything about yourself, even good things. Nobody cares.
People know what the fuck is going on. They get to hear you talk in forms like this.

Speaker 3 They get to hear you actually talk and lay it out. They know who the fuck you are.
All this is all just noise.

Speaker 3 But the good thing about this kind of noise, this social chaos, is that it unveils all this corruption. It unveils the orcs that are hiding in the forest.

Speaker 3 You see it. And I am convinced.

Speaker 3 If they know the efficacy of foreign countries using social media bots to attack people, they know that that works.

Speaker 3 They know that that shift narratives, especially for people that are sitting on the fence. They know all that stuff works.

Speaker 3 If you don't think that there's companies in America that we're not aware of that organize social media campaigns and have bots attack certain individuals like yourself for having a dangerous narrative, if you don't think that, you're crazy.

Speaker 2 And what's insane to me, Joe, is

Speaker 2 what part of saying, hey, we need to better understand how we're growing our food, how we're processing our food, how we're preserving our food.

Speaker 2 Maybe leftover petrol chemicals aren't the best way to preserve our food products in America. You're not allowing that in other nations.

Speaker 2 And we're looking at the data, the statistics, and the numbers, and we're saying, something's not right. The point of that conversation was to say, today's the day we start the dialogue.

Speaker 2 You know, the journey of a thousand steps starts with one.

Speaker 2 And I look at it and say, my message was, How do we fix this? Well, we start by acknowledging there's a fucking problem in the first two days.

Speaker 3 They They don't care. This is just about money and just about justifying the things that you're saying, the narratives that you're pushing to try to get that money.
If they came out with an article,

Speaker 3 if someone did a peer-reviewed study that showed that if you drink exactly 13 glasses of water a day, you never get sick and you never get cancer.

Speaker 3 There would be articles the next day saying if everyone drinks 13 gallons of water or 13 glasses of water a day, there'll be no water for black people and people of color and indigenous people, the trans people would die of dehydration, and the wells would dry up, and then the crops, and we're not going to have food, and there's a lot of impoverished people.

Speaker 3 You can't, you don't need 13 glasses of water a day. There would be, there would be some sort of a justification.

Speaker 3 If you came up with some sort of a diet that you could follow, and everyone would live to be 150, there would be an article about how dangerous it is to tell people to stay healthy.

Speaker 3 Because if we all live to be 150,

Speaker 2 literally, we're there saying diet, lifestyle, nutrition, getting proactive, predictive, and personalized. That's the message.
It's a business.

Speaker 2 If the system's waiting for you to get sick and then they're giving you drugs, rather than waiting to get sick and taking a drug, let's get proactive and predictive.

Speaker 2 Let's look at you at the biological level. Let's stop the chronic disease from developing at its roots and prevent this crisis.

Speaker 3 And don't you think there's a way that companies can do this and make money in an ethical way? Absolutely. There has to be.
And that's where I say let's do it.

Speaker 2 This is what's crazy.

Speaker 2 I'm not a philanthropist. We make money and we're doing it for a fraction of the cost of the system today.

Speaker 2 We really are. Like the patient's getting a deep dive into over 70 biomarkers an hour on the phone with a clinician.

Speaker 2 The only way I can scale this and make it better for people and more cost effective is AI and large language models, which is what I'm rapidly running towards.

Speaker 2 Which, even in that Hatchet Job article, she says, and he's illegally using AI to prescribe. I'm not prescribing medicine using AI.

Speaker 3 She claimed that? Yes, she said something to that nature.

Speaker 2 Isn't that defamatory?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Mike, we are using AI to assess blood work, and then it is reviewed by a board-certified clinician that then reasserts the AI's homework, and the AI is just there as an additional tool.

Speaker 2 Now, the vision of the future, and I think this will happen, is I think AI will replace a lot of primary cares in America.

Speaker 3 It's going to replace a lot of things. And anybody denying the efficacy of AI at this point is ignorant.
You have to to be ignorant, willfully.

Speaker 3 You have to be willfully ignorant because they have used AI right now to diagnose diseases that people miss.

Speaker 3 They believe that AI is going to allow to assess breast cancer in a much more effective way because it can do something with visuals that human beings can't see with the naked eye because you're detecting things.

Speaker 3 AI is going to be able to have a much, much higher percentage. of a chance of catching that cancer.

Speaker 2 Even at a great cash pay clinic, you know, like I think Waze Dwell is a phenomenal clinic. I think there's hundreds, if not thousands, of phenomenal cash pay clinic.

Speaker 3 Peter Atti is brilliant.

Speaker 2 In any of those practices, the clinician has to do a chart review before you come in. That's going to take them at least 20 minutes if they're doing a good job.

Speaker 2 Then they're going to spend 45 minutes to an hour with you walking you through everything in your chart, what they saw, family history, genetics, epigenetics, cross-reference that with blood work.

Speaker 3 That's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 AI can do it instantly. Instantly.
And at your own timeline and discretion. So your blood work comes back.
Joe, you're busy. You don't have time to get on the phone for 40 minutes with a provider.

Speaker 2 No problem. You log into the app and you ask Alan, Alan, hey, remind me again.
What was my blood work on testosterone? And then Alan's going to tell you. And then you can ask this AI anything.

Speaker 2 And it is backed by all the peer-reviewed journal studies, white paper studies, all the data that we've loaded in that has been cross-referenced by our clinical team, and we're guiding that.

Speaker 2 It's not an open architecture, but we're allowing it to essentially help practice medicine in a way that we believe is the appropriate approach to medicine.

Speaker 3 And how can that be bad?

Speaker 2 I just think in the future, it's going to be the way of the future, and it'll allow us to make it cost-effective.

Speaker 3 How crazy the world is, that something that straightforward, the way you laid it out so brilliantly, someone could label that as bad or woo or woo-woo.

Speaker 2 Because you would know the AI, imagine a world where, and this, and again, sword cuts both ways. Every tool can be good or bad.

Speaker 2 But what I'm envisioning is AI monitoring you 24-7, tying into your wearables. We know your REM sleep, your heart rate variability.
You've gone through and you've done a DEXA.

Speaker 2 I know how much lean muscle mass you have, how much visceral fat, how much subcutaneous fat. I have your epigenetics, your genetics all loaded in.
I know your family history.

Speaker 2 We've done a cancer screening. I know that you have no forms of cancerous tumors in your body at this moment.

Speaker 2 From there, now we have a a clean bill of health and a starting point, but we're tracking you. I know that Joe slept five hours on Saturday.
I know that Joe got one hour of sleep on Saturday.

Speaker 2 And then we can accrue those data sets and begin to cross-reference it. Like right now, we have over 60,000 patients at Waste Well.
Imagine when it's nationwide and we have millions.

Speaker 3 How are you monitoring their sleep?

Speaker 2 We're not yet.

Speaker 2 This is the app that we're launching.

Speaker 3 So what would you do?

Speaker 2 We want to be agnostic. So we want to tie into SleepAight.
We want to tie into into LOOP, any of them. If you'll give us access to that data, we'll know what date you started prescription care.

Speaker 2 You'll be able to refill your medicine straight through the pharmacy because it's vertically integrated. Here's the challenge with traditional medicine.

Speaker 2 Every software is based on how to get paid from the fucking insurance company. That's it.
Pharmacy software is 30 years old. It is purely based on how do I get my money from CVS?

Speaker 2 How do I get my money from United? It's not meant to be a tool that helps drive health span and health care.

Speaker 2 But if we vertically integrate pharmacy software with the medical practices software, with the AI, the rarables, the REM sleep, it then knows what date, you know, Joe started glutathione or whatever, a peptide or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And we're going to see if we can track a marked improvement in heart rate variability, REM sleep, and all those variables.

Speaker 2 And then at the end of a year, we reassess you proactively and personalize through a DEXA and a VO2 Max. And we say, look, Joe, you gained one pound of lean muscle mass.

Speaker 2 You didn't put on any additional body fat. Your visceral body fat is at an all-time low.
Your chronic disease score is an A plus. We do not think you're headed towards a chronic disease.

Speaker 2 We are proactive, not sitting back waiting for you to get cancer. We're going to roll our sleeves up and go to fucking work.
And it's not hard. This does not cost a fortune.
It is totally affordable.

Speaker 2 I hear all the time, like, this is your body. This is a one.
This is how I ended my speech to the Senate. And I believe this: 400 trillion to one.

Speaker 2 400 trillion to one are the chances you are alive in this room today.

Speaker 2 What are we going to do with it? Are we going to let these bastards at big pharma and big medical profiteer off of our family members and profiteer off chronic disease?

Speaker 2 Or are we going to take sovereignty and accountability? Are we going to test ourselves and drive our health span and take ourselves out of their fucking shitty life raft that's going down.

Speaker 2 Like, it doesn't matter if you have a first, Republican Democrat, congratulations, you have a front row seat on the fucking Titanic. That's where we're headed if we don't get proactive.

Speaker 2 It is not a left or right issue. This is an American issue.
That's all I keep trying to hammer home. And thank God the Republicans are talking about it.

Speaker 2 And I hope the Democrats will start talking about it.

Speaker 3 That's why it's so fascinating about ideal. That's what's so fascinating about ideological capture.
That the thing that you would think would be one thing we could all agree on,

Speaker 3 we should all be healthy.

Speaker 3 That that would get attacked and that it would be more cost-effective. You could use technology and you have a much more comprehensive understanding of your health and that gets attacked.

Speaker 3 That's how upside down things are.

Speaker 3 And there's people that if they think it

Speaker 3 helps their career or it helps them in journalism, it helps them get more connect, they will be the attack dog.

Speaker 3 They will be the attack dog and go after someone with about as straightforward a message as you can get.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 One of the things that

Speaker 2 RFK said that I think it really did resonate with me was we have to stop. We have to start loving our kids more than we hate each other.
And seeing like

Speaker 2 I won't, I won't name anything, but I know a little girl who struggles with her weight. And I look at that and this kid is doing all she can.

Speaker 2 And it's hard to tell a little kid, like, your friends can eat that candy, but you can't. Everyone in school is drinking their soft drinks and all these things.
And it's bad for all of them.

Speaker 2 It's just some kids are metabolically showing it sooner, you know, but it isn't good for anyone who's consuming these things. And they're insanely addictive, too.

Speaker 3 And it also creates

Speaker 2 an environment. Yeah, that this is an addiction issue now.
And then that leads to a mental health issue and low self-esteem.

Speaker 3 And yeah, part of the problem with the addiction of food, too, is you have to eat food. You know, it's not like anything else.
Addiction to gambling is like you can stop going to the casino. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But addiction to food is like you have to eat food. So every day you're testing your will.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Every day in a profound way that if you stay out of the casino, you're not, you know, like, he's not being tempted.

Speaker 3 But you have to, imagine if you were a gambling addict, but you had to make three bets a day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 3 You're a food addict, but you have to eat three meals a day. That's fucking insane.

Speaker 2 And that's where the GLP ones, where I do say like morbidly obese, chronically ill, diabetic, pre-diabetic, patients headed over a cliff.

Speaker 2 It has been rebranded as a lifestyle drug for any girl who's trying to lose weight for spring break. Right.
That's dangerous.

Speaker 2 And it is dangerous to say that there is no risk reward to prescribe that in children. We don't know the long-term ramifications.

Speaker 2 It's a little bit different risk analysis when we're talking about a chronically ill, obese patient in their 40s headed towards

Speaker 2 chronic disease crisis that's going to kill them. That's a different

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Speaker 2 Risk profile and safety profile analysis than a 12-year-old little girl who's overweight. That's a totally different talk track.

Speaker 2 So, you know, I have some differing viewpoints from the other folks on that committee, but that's the beauty of a democracy.

Speaker 2 We can disagree on topics but agree on the issue of we've got a lot of work to do and and some things to fix but it's very straightforward

Speaker 3 you could disagree all day long but what you're saying is so straightforward and so beneficial to everyone across the board if there's anything that you would want in life like have you ever been sick real sick and you're like god damn i can't wait to be better again it doesn't matter if you're rich it doesn't matter if you're happily married you love your job if you're fucking dying you're in bed and you literally can barely get up to pee, and then you crushed and you lay back down in bed, you go, oh, what did I do to fuck this up?

Speaker 3 How did I get so sick? I am going to take care of myself. I am going to fucking get back on track.
You know, 100%. A lot of people don't, but some people actually do.

Speaker 3 They actually do realize at that moment, like, I can't let this happen again.

Speaker 3 Like, whatever I did to my immune system, pulling all-nighters, working at the job fucking 16 hours a day, and then you get like a horrible flu and you're bedridden for two weeks.

Speaker 3 During that time, the one thing you want more than anything is to be healthy. You ask a healthy person what they want, they give you a thousand things.

Speaker 3 You ask a sick person what they want, they want to be well. They want to be well.

Speaker 3 If you told a person who's worth like Bill Gates money, if you said to Bill Gates, hey, you know, you could have the flu for the rest of your life and keep all that money, or give it all up.

Speaker 3 You're going to have to start from scratch, but you'll be healthy. He would give it all up and start from scratch.

Speaker 2 You're spot on. Like,

Speaker 2 you don't understand.

Speaker 2 I sit at dinners when I get the opportunity to be with my family and I look around the table. And I really do think, Joe, ever since losing my brother, I am so present in those moments.

Speaker 2 And I just want everyone to be healthy. And I want the good memories to last.
And I want to be able to watch people live happy lives.

Speaker 2 And all the data and numbers and statistics, they're so overwhelming that people lull over. And that's why in front of the Senate, I brought it back to, I'm just going to talk about people.

Speaker 2 I didn't didn't even talk about statistics because there were way smarter people out there than me from Harvard, Stanford, all these academic types that are brilliant.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, but at the end of the day, guys, if the Senate doesn't understand, these are your children, your wives, your brothers, your sisters, your husbands, your wives.

Speaker 2 Like, this is, this is, these are family members. This is not just a number.
These are real lives. 1.9 million people dying a year of chronic disease.

Speaker 2 That doesn't even include deaths of despair, suicide, suicide, opioid abuse. We are a chronically ill society and those impacts destroy families.
Destroy families.

Speaker 2 The ramifications are so far beyond finances and numbers, but even finances and numbers, 24% of our federal budget, healthcare. Number one budget concern federally is healthcare.

Speaker 2 Number one concern for most states, healthcare. Number one reason for bankruptcy in the United States for an individual, healthcare.
It is a huge problem, but that's the dollars and cents of it.

Speaker 2 The real cost is paid in human lives and lost loved ones. And that's all I wanted them to hear: don't sweep this under the rug.
These are fucking people dying.

Speaker 3 How much of an effort has been put forth after the whole Sackler family crisis and the Opriard crisis to mitigate the amount of these things that are prescribed?

Speaker 2 I think a tremendous amount, but the problem is then you swing that pendulum to over-regulation and you've created a drug addict in the marketplace and all those addicts turned to fentanyl and black market products.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 2 Because the addiction is already there. Now we've already addicted.
And more people are dying of opioids today than ever before. And so the damage.

Speaker 3 You've already prescribed less. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The damage has been done.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that's what's hard. I don't know how you put that genie back in the bottle.
The question becomes, what is the next opioid crisis?

Speaker 3 It's almost like the next a hoarder's house like how do you even clean this up you know you ever see those hoarder shows you're like what the fuck do you do with all this yeah it's almost like us and the the opioid crisis thing the really scary thing is like we're propping up cartels we're we're propping up you know really vicious people that are criminals.

Speaker 3 They have to be vicious. That's how you get ahead in that world.
You know, there's no rules when you're in organized crime and you kill a lot of people.

Speaker 3 And that's what you prop up when you have drugs illegal. But now if you have drugs legal, if you just have, I mean, this is a dilemma as well, right?

Speaker 3 Because if you just had legal drugs, everything was legal. How long would it take for people figured out to not do cocaine?

Speaker 3 How would long, you know, if you could just get cocaine the same way you can get Coca-Cola, how weird would that be?

Speaker 2 I would even argue that the market we live in now is

Speaker 2 a pharmaceutical insurance cartel. You know, they are glorified drug dealers monetizing people's chronic disease, and they have such a stranglehold over academia, the universities.

Speaker 2 They fund most of the studies, the NIH.

Speaker 2 I mean, we just systematically go down from the food system to the government regulatory bodies to the enforcement committees to everything they control, the media.

Speaker 2 Like, as soon as somebody gets, you know, get a little mouthy. Anything, they come and hammer you and try to discredit you and portray it.

Speaker 3 Also, how transparent it is, like, who owns the companies.

Speaker 2 I know, but most people aren't going to spend the time to go. Like, I looked because I'm like, who is this attacking me? I want to understand their viewpoint.
It wasn't, oh, ha, ha, ha, gotcha.

Speaker 2 I'm going to bust these people. It was more of, let me try and understand the other side and try and see what we could have said that would have been so inflammatory because the message is hope.

Speaker 2 It was hope. It was unity.
It was working together. It was dropped apart.

Speaker 3 It's become healthy. Get America healthy.

Speaker 3 Anybody would be opposed to that. That's, I think, also a real problem with the liberals during this election.
The concept of make America healthy again is so bipartisan and so universal and so clear.

Speaker 3 And the fact that the Republicans are running with it, they're like,

Speaker 3 They're so mad. Like, that should have been something the Democrats used.
The Democrats used to be anti-poison. The left used to be anti-corporations dumping pollution in the waters.

Speaker 3 They were against big corporations. They were pro-free speech.
They were against censorship.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 they were pro-reasonable discourse. They weren't about censoring people.
And everything's just gone so topsy-turvy that to have the left be against a movement.

Speaker 3 What you should be saying is, yeah, fuck Trump. But

Speaker 3 this Make America Healthy Again thing, it's a good idea. We should probably do it too.
We should probably just steal their idea.

Speaker 3 We should probably say, whatever you guys are going to do, we're going to do it too. But we're going to be a better president, so go with us.

Speaker 3 If they were smart, that's what they would do. People, oh, you stole that idea from Trump.
She should say, yeah, I stole it. It's a good idea.
I like good ideas. I'm not dogmatic.

Speaker 3 Okay, show me a good idea.

Speaker 2 And that's where I go, who has the most to win by dividing us? It's not the Democrats. It's not the Republicans.
It is the powers that be.

Speaker 2 And when we peel back the layers, BlackRock, Vanguard, that own the majority shares of these pharmaceutical companies, that own the majority shares of most of the media outlets, that own the left and the right, they push agendas and they can control everything essentially except podcasts and free speech.

Speaker 2 And that's one of the things that Jordan Peterson said in a meeting the night before we testified was he implored us to stop trying to cater to the mainstream media because he said it's a lost cause.

Speaker 2 It's a lost hope. I hate to say that to you guys, but the world is giving up on them.
Why are you guys wasting your time with them?

Speaker 2 Focus on podcast, books, areas where you can truly, in a long, long-form format, expose the truth and ask and respond to hard-hitting questions. And we talked about you and your platform.
And

Speaker 2 this is, you know, has been that people try to label it as misinformation at times. And I'm like, what part is me?

Speaker 2 Anytime I've come on, I've cited all my references on the Ways to Well website. I list reference after reference studies.

Speaker 3 Most of the things that they labeled as misinformation during COVID turned out to be true. 100%.

Speaker 3 I mean, especially, you know, what they did to Peter McCullough. Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in his field in human history.

Speaker 3 He's not quack, Jay Bhattacharya. He's a professor at Stanford.
Right? Isn't that where he is?

Speaker 3 What? These are the fucking actual experts. These are the real experts.
Like, you guys are out of your fucking minds. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And you're saying this is misinformation, but the problem is misinformation is like,

Speaker 3 you know, label it homophobe, transphobe, misogynist. Once they look racist, once they get you, they put that on you, misinformation.
You spread misinformation. You're like, what? What misinformation?

Speaker 2 Tell me what wasn't true. Yeah, and I'll even say, and again, I don't know.
I don't want to be too conspiratorial. We had, I went to bed and the, I was exhausted after that Senate hearing.

Speaker 2 I posted it. I mean, I'm a nobody.
I didn't expect.

Speaker 2 I went to bed and I want to say I had 1.3 million views. And I posted a rebuttal about

Speaker 2 one of the periodicals that was misrepresentative. And I just posted, hey, Not a fair assessment of what happened today.

Speaker 2 2,000 American people traveled from around the country to sit and hear an open dialogue that was bipartisan, backed by some of the best and brightest minds in medicine.

Speaker 2 Harvard, Stanford, Stedman Hawkins, all were present. This was not a bunch of influencers, blah, blah, blah.
Shame on you. That was all I posted.
Didn't get in the weeds.

Speaker 2 Woke up the next day and all the momentum was gone. Like it, we only, we still, I think, are sitting at 1.3 million.
I don't believe. And then Casey got messaged, hey, they'll de-platform you.

Speaker 2 Be careful if you start naming specific news outlets. And I still believe that somehow we got de-algorithmed or de-prioritized after we began to push back on the media for the stuff they were saying.

Speaker 3 Most certainly. I'm sure.
And you probably got attacked anyway once they realized that it was gaining momentum. It's very creepy.

Speaker 3 And I wonder, like, at what level they can manipulate things at Google and at YouTube.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's a level that they can actively suppress videos and they can actively suppress social media accounts and social media posts. You know,

Speaker 3 when my special was going to go live on Instagram or on Netflix rather, on Instagram, Cam Haynes put a thing in his story saying that it was going to go live.

Speaker 3 And they said that he couldn't mention me.

Speaker 3 He wasn't allowed to mention me. He wasn't allowed to mention me.
Yeah. I forget what the label was.
He posted.

Speaker 2 JRE Experience. I don't know if they're affiliated with you or just a fan page.
JRE Experience Instagram.

Speaker 2 He print screened and messaged me, and it said this video is not suitable for repost or something, my video from testifying in front of the Senate.

Speaker 3 They won't let you repost it. This was a Senate hearing.

Speaker 2 Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 So, someone has their clause in meta that's able to suppress information. Someone has their clause in YouTube.
Someone has their clause.

Speaker 3 And, you know, you could use whatever label. You could say the advertisers don't want to advertise on this because it's a controversial subject and that's the problem.
Okay.

Speaker 2 if that's all it is but then it should still get a lot of views so if it if you want to withhold advertising but the views are substantial that means that it's really being shared in a normal way with something so outrageous and something that gains that much momentum that quickly doesn't make sense that peters out that quick it was too profound it was too resonant it resonated with people going crazy and then i would see a hundred new follow a hundred like whatever and then the next morning dead totally dead like literally right after we straight we we were all trading text about that article and we're like i just cannot believe they reacted with an article this fast and it's a total misrepresentation of what occurred today and that's all they need and it tried to make it tried to make it sound like it was a left or right-wing political movement like a right-wing political ideology and it's like everyone in that room in fact most of the people on the panel

Speaker 2 were Democrat backgrounds, registered Democratic voters. Like there were some Republicans on there, but it was a mixture.
It was a melting pot. And we're all free thinkers.

Speaker 2 Like, don't take my ability to think critically away from me. I don't give a shit which party you're part of.
I am here for team people.

Speaker 2 Like, let's talk about the issues and stop trying to make this left or right. Like, it's not.

Speaker 3 But they're smart in that all they need is one or two articles in a respected publication to cite, to point towards the fact that this is misinformation.

Speaker 3 And someone from whatever organization would look at that and gloss over it. We'll click, oh, yeah, yeah, we'll suppress that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And that's...
When I even think one step further, I feel like,

Speaker 2 I feel like, like, for example, the news, New York Post article, I honestly, the way they worded that, they tried to make it sound like I'm just a regular on your podcast and I come on here and just shit all over the FDA.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, I'm doing my best to be transparent and say they're at a disadvantage. They're underfunded.
They, you know, they didn't build this model. They were put in this model.
Right.

Speaker 2 And they're doing their best to navigate, but they're underfunded, understaffed, and

Speaker 2 chronically corrupted by the environment itself. But I would tell you the same thing with academia, the same thing with hospital systems.

Speaker 3 So it's not me picking on one person. They work in the FDA.

Speaker 3 If you've been working in the FDA for four years, how much of a dent do you think you could put in the momentum of the machine that's behind you? What are you going to do?

Speaker 3 You're going to stick your neck out? You're going to get it chopped off. You're not going to move up the corporate ladder.
It's not set up that way. And that's just the reality of being a human being.

Speaker 3 And you go, hey, I do my best. Most of those people,

Speaker 3 most of are like most people. They're good people.
Most people in all walks of life are good people. But sometimes good people do bad things because they can or because they have to.

Speaker 2 The biggest thing I saw in healthcare was doctors were exhausted, whether orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons.

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, I told you this, my buddy, who is, he's a prominent sports medicine surgeon. He's a team doctor for multiple teams.
You know, he's had highest positions at hospital systems.

Speaker 2 Even he says, what am I going to do, man?

Speaker 2 What am I fucking supposed to do? You know,

Speaker 2 I need to do surgeries. I've got to do a certain amount of surgeries to make all of this flow and work.
And I've got to hold my team accountable for the amount of surgeries and their volumes.

Speaker 2 And you're never supposed to make it about volumes, but all of these hospital systems are incentivized off volume metrics that are based off cranking out the most amount of surgeries.

Speaker 2 And so there is a tremendous amount of pressure from the top down.

Speaker 2 And with insurance companies dwindling reimbursements and dwindling, like even primary care reimbursements, but also surgical reimbursements, you're not going to be able to innovate when it's a race to the bottom, right?

Speaker 2 A total joint's paying less now. It's going to take an 8% haircut every year and it has for like the last 15 years.

Speaker 2 So nobody's going to go out and buy some brand new state-of-the-art joint or even innovate a brand new state-of-the-art joint because it's all about

Speaker 2 commoditizing it and driving down the cost right now to make it affordable to even get a joint.

Speaker 3 So it doesn't even incentivize innovation. Correct.
That's crazy, especially with something like replacement joints, which you would hope. I mean, they've gotten a lot better at that.

Speaker 3 How many people do you know that have had hip replacements?

Speaker 3 I know a bunch. Yeah, a lot.
I know a bunch.

Speaker 3 And it's like they're walking around like quick. Graham Hancock came in here six weeks after his hip replacement.
Yeah. And, you know, he's 150,000 years old.

Speaker 3 According to his aging, everything's older with him.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, he's, Graham's got to be in his 70s, right? And back then, I'm not sure how old he was. This was back when we were in L.A.

Speaker 3 But he was walking around six weeks later, fine, no limp, nothing. I mean, it's extraordinary what they can do now.
It's amazing. You would hope that they would continue to innovate in that way.

Speaker 3 You know what's going on in California right now with home insurance? Mm-mm.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 I do not. There's a real crisis in California with home insurance.

Speaker 3 Pull up the home insurance crisis. Home insurance is sky high, and particularly in areas where they have wildfires because they lose so much.

Speaker 3 You know, where I used to live in California, I was evacuated three times. That's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And the last time my kids were real little, and we went in the middle of the night, we had a takeoff at 2 o'clock in the morning. The fire was coming over the hill that was maybe

Speaker 3 200 yards from us.

Speaker 2 Growing up in Houston, I was used to hurricanes. A fire would be terrifying.

Speaker 3 Insurance keep dropping California homeowners.

Speaker 3 Changes are in the works to try to stop their cherry-picking. So there's, there's a, you know, they don't want to insure houses that are likely going to burn or go to fall off of a fucking hill.

Speaker 3 Like, I remember I was watching this news special about Malibu, and there was a mudslide in Malibu, like a landslide.

Speaker 3 So these people, they park these fucking $5 million houses on stilts on the side of a hill.

Speaker 3 Like, hey, why do you think the side of the the hill varies so much? Do you think maybe it moves? Do you think maybe over time shit fucking comes down? It's not like a smooth skateboarding slope.

Speaker 3 No, it's an unpredictable mass of land that's affected by years and years of drought. So when you get drought, you don't have plant growth.
You have no plant growth.

Speaker 3 You get more erosion because there's no root systems.

Speaker 3 And then chunks of this fucking hill were falling off. And these people were in the middle of the night.
They heard cracking as their house was breaking apart.

Speaker 3 In the middle of the night, their house started breaking apart and falling down the hill, and they got out just in time.

Speaker 3 It was crazy. The guy was like, I just heard cracking.
I thought someone was breaking in. Then we got up, and we didn't know what was going on.
His house was cracking in half.

Speaker 2 Is it? Are they having that many claims? Is that why the insurance is that?

Speaker 3 There's a lot of claims with wildfires. There's not that many claims with landslides, but this was one that was like,

Speaker 3 there's like California has some real natural disaster problems.

Speaker 3 And the big one happens every 20, 30 years and hasn't happened since 93 that was another the earthquake thing yeah that fucking thing that happens over there all the time where everything fucking shakes and houses fall down and

Speaker 3 like highways pancake i came the first time i ever came to hollywood i was doing this thing for mtv and i came out here right after the earthquakes in 93 and i was like this is nuts man i remember driving by a highway that had collapsed on another highway it was like right afterwards I've only been in one earthquake, and it was in Japan when

Speaker 2 we were at Disney in Japan, and an earthquake hit. This is recently.
Yeah, we were with Philip, Frank and Lee, and Margarita, and Amanda and I were all there, and literally

Speaker 2 the earthquake hit. I get a text and I look and all the Japanese people are looking at their phones too.
And it's like,

Speaker 2 like an Amber alert. And I look and it says, seek shelter 9.

Speaker 2 8 points. That was a huge one.
I don't know earthquakes.

Speaker 2 i don't want to tell you they're wrong whatever the giant one was that just happened and every japanese person just dropped to the ground and covered their heads and we were in a cave like a man-made cave at disney so amanda looked at me and was like fuck that and just took off running but we like ran out of the cave good move but everyone was just down on the ground and then then the tsunami warnings followed and i was just thinking like

Speaker 2 i grew up with hurricanes and you know they're coming you have like a week the earthquake stuff is terrifying.

Speaker 3 Terrifying.

Speaker 2 Like that is scary.

Speaker 3 Japan gets some biggest.

Speaker 2 And the earth is literally throwing things and moving. That's way scarier to me than hurricanes.

Speaker 3 The biggest one I've ever been in was a small one. It was like a 5.5 and they said it was actually an aftershock of the Northridge earthquake.
But it was right after I moved to L.A. So it was like 94.

Speaker 3 I was sitting in my apartment and all of a sudden my apartment moved like

Speaker 3 a refrigerator box.

Speaker 3 You know, if you're a kid, you'd play, like someone got a new refrigerator, your kids would play in the box and fuck around, make a little hut out of it, you know, carve little windows out of it and shit.

Speaker 3 It was like that. The whole apartment moved like that.
It wasn't even any noise. It was just the shaking of the building.
But it seemed so flimsy. That's all I could remember.

Speaker 3 I remember being like, oh my god, I thought you guys were tougher than this. Like, I thought the house was tougher.
I thought I was in a building. I thought I was in an apartment building.

Speaker 3 It was a two-store apartment complex, two-story apartment complex. It just went like this.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then it stopped. And I remember going, I got to get the fuck out of here.
I can't live in this place. Like, this is going to happen again.

Speaker 2 When I got back to the hotel, there was a koi pond because it's Japan, beautiful koi pond, but it was up on like the 30th floor.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. All that water was just all over the lobby from the hotel swaying.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 And I was just like, this is scary. Like, scary.

Speaker 3 Well, and then tsunamis, the real scary thing, man. Those videos of the Fukushima tsunami where people saw it coming and they were trying to get away.
Yeah. Those are, oh,

Speaker 3 all the birds came first.

Speaker 2 They were first flying through.

Speaker 3 Animals know.

Speaker 3 Somehow or another animals know.

Speaker 3 When tsunamis happen, all the animals go to seek high ground. Crazy.
Okay, what is that? Yeah. What is that? It's crazy.
Someone should fucking study that.

Speaker 3 They're getting some kind of information. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Some message from the universe is telling them to go to high ground.

Speaker 2 How? Yeah, I even saw it. Well, they have senses that I think we have too that we just don't have anymore.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Like, you and I talk about that when you go hunting, and by like day two or three, you almost feel like you're more aware, more in tune to every noise, every you feel the temperature more.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, everything gets enhanced, dude.

Speaker 3 You're so alive. You're so alive in the mountains.
Yeah. You know, I got, uh, I went elk hunting and I got successful on the second day, which you can't pass up.

Speaker 3 You know, it just was a perfect scenario and I got successful. But I wanted to keep going.
I wanted to stay out there.

Speaker 3 It was just when you're out there, it's the just the physical act of being in the woods is like a vitamin that you don't need, you don't know you need until you get it.

Speaker 3 You're like, oh, I need this vitamin. That's what I was saying.
Like a wildlife photographer, that'd be the dopest job ever. You're just in the wilderness photographing wildlife.

Speaker 2 What's crazy is he's a wildlife photographer, but when you talk to him, because he's been through shit, you know, living it. He's worn out.
But no, he's amazing because he's so optimistic.

Speaker 2 And he'll say, and I agree with him, this is the greatest country in the world.

Speaker 2 We are the greatest country in the world, but we have to fight for that.

Speaker 3 No, we have to torch the Constitution. Should we torch the Constitution? The Atlantic thinks maybe we should torch the Constitution.
It's like, why?

Speaker 3 Well, you know, it's all these interests. And I think the social chaos aspect of today, this is what I find interesting because I think it forces these kind of conversations.

Speaker 3 It forces people to deal with these problems. It forces it.

Speaker 3 Instead of like this healthcare issue being this insidious, never talked about thing that slowly crept up and just became ingrained in society to the point where everybody just accepted it.

Speaker 3 Instead of that, you have this rebellion and you do have this make America healthy again movement, which everyone should embrace, but yet it becomes ideologically captured by the right. somehow.

Speaker 3 And if you are with that, if you think, hey, that's a great idea those guys have. I know that they suck when it comes to women's right to choose.

Speaker 3 They suck when it comes to whatever, fill in the blanks. But I like what they're saying about this.

Speaker 3 We're so lost in this team thing that is ingrained in our fucking DNA. And they play us with it.
They play us with it because we have these undeniable tribal instincts.

Speaker 3 It's just like when you roll a ball of yarn past a kitten. They can't help it.
They got to jump on it. They have these instincts.

Speaker 3 You have it in your stand-up bit.

Speaker 2 And it's, it's, that's, that

Speaker 2 where you talk about politics is that's a hundred percent how I feel, and that's how almost everybody I know feels.

Speaker 2 It's a lie that we all believe the Republicans or the Democrats. We don't.

Speaker 2 We're all individuals and free thinkers, and every topic is different and nuanced, and it's not that easy. It's not, but it's hard to find a party that represents everything you believe in.

Speaker 2 And again, I'm not political, so I focus on healthcare because it's what I know. And I know I can debate anyone on this

Speaker 2 topic. I fucking know it.
You want to talk talk about the Ukraine?

Speaker 3 I'm a moron.

Speaker 2 I can't help you there. I don't know.
But I know healthcare and I know how broken it is.

Speaker 3 The problem is ideologies. The real problem is tribal thinking because everyone should just embrace this and think this is really a good idea.

Speaker 3 But the fact that it's been attached to one political party, it makes it a problem for the people in the other political party. And that's what's nuts about us.

Speaker 3 Even things that are universally good that everyone should strive for, better health. That becomes...

Speaker 3 I've seen articles written that fucking people that go to the gym are more likely to be right-wing. Yeah.
Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 Go to yoga class. The example I have to do is

Speaker 2 one of the bills that they are putting in place is to cover GLP1s for every American that wants it. That's $1,500 a month right now because of what

Speaker 2 the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have done to price goug and market up. Shouldn't be that.
It should be under a couple hundred dollars a month, but it's not and it's not going to be.

Speaker 2 And so I look at that and go, okay, for

Speaker 2 hundred dollars a year you could get the dexa the v02 max you could be monitored with ai 24 7 you could get at minimal blood work twice a year comprehensive consult one hour deep dive into your biologics and we could treat the root cause of the issue because i i said this on jillian's podcast with glp1s i i am not against them i'm still a believer in them when utilized appropriately but prescribing a glp1 a weight loss drug without talking about diet, lifestyle, and nutrition is like brushing your teeth while eating fucking Oreos.

Speaker 2 All this is true.

Speaker 3 This makes no sense. All this is true.

Speaker 3 But what I'm saying is that just the concept of getting all these things out of our food supply, making people healthy, getting people off of all these prescription drugs, making people more metabolically healthy.

Speaker 3 We're so stupid with our tribal shit that just that concept has been pushed into the realm of right wing.

Speaker 3 If you're that, you're a MAGA person, you're this, you're a fucking, you're a loon. Yeah.
It's, it's so dumb. It's so, it, and it's this, the thing about going to gyms being right-wing.

Speaker 3 I've seen multiple articles written about going to gyms being right-wing. Have you ever been to a fucking yoga class? Okay, yoga is one of the hardest things to do.

Speaker 3 They're some of the most left-wing motherfuckers on earth. They're nice, kind people who bust their ass in a 90-minute hot yoga class.
That's fucking hard to do. It challenges your character.

Speaker 3 Okay, the idea that the only people that exercise are right wing, that is so dumb. That's so limiting and so stupid and such a ridiculous way to think.
You should want to be stronger.

Speaker 3 Everybody should want to be stronger. You know why? Because it's good.
I like that I can pick things up.

Speaker 3 I like that if someone in my house needs something open, they give it to me and I could just open that motherfucker.

Speaker 3 I like that. I like that I can carry things.

Speaker 2 Well, what gives me hope is the Democrats were in that meeting and there were Democrat senators that were interested. And I don't believe that it's the Democrats.

Speaker 2 I believe it's an agenda beyond the Democrats and it's not, I just think people are trying to intentionally create that structure and that separation. And I don't believe it's the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 I believe it's people attempting to hijack the Democratic Party and attempting to trivialize this message by portraying it as

Speaker 2 a political agenda rather than the facts of life of where we're at as a nation.

Speaker 3 That's for sure the root cause of it, but it is a thing now. And that's the problem.
It's been effective.

Speaker 3 It's like many other things, that's effective until people wake the up yeah that's a thing you know there's not a lot of people going out getting covet vaccines now you got to be a true believer yeah to go running out yeah it doesn't mean they're not still trying to sell it i was watching the beetle juice movie the other day so in the beginning of the beetlejuice movie they play all these fucking cool previews you get oh what the oh that's coming out that looks fun and then they have a john legend covid vaccine commercial where he talks about how he's i'll protect myself from covid he's fucking playing the piano and he like rolls up down his sleeve to show you a fucking band-aid.

Speaker 3 You're like, what did you do?

Speaker 2 But the insanity of it is, Joe, let's even look at COVID. If we look at the people that died of COVID, it was because of chronic disease and comorbidity, which goes back to when we talk about it.

Speaker 2 And one of the things that's built into the new Ways to Well AI algorithm app that monitors your blood work is a calculation on your all-cause mortality risk.

Speaker 2 The goal is to drive down all-cause mortality risk.

Speaker 2 What people people don't understand is if you're like you, a physically fit, lean muscle mass, low body fat, healthy individual, it reduces your risk of everything that could kill you.

Speaker 2 Everything, a car accident, which sounds crazy, but think your body is metabolically healthy and fit. Your chances of surviving and recovering are higher.
Oh, for sure.

Speaker 2 So somebody chronically ill and sick, it's not, you could throw a Diet Coke and kill them.

Speaker 3 You know, like it's not like

Speaker 2 they're already at a deficit and we're trying to help people not be at a deficit. Let's get people back to normal.

Speaker 3 We just have to change the way people think about things.

Speaker 3 We have to change this ridiculous idea that your health care provider knows everything. They fucking don't.
Your general practitioner, he doesn't. There's no way.
And that's one of the things that

Speaker 3 Casey Means talked about, like how little nutrition information she got.

Speaker 3 in college, which is really nuts. But that's just the fact of the matter.
That's just really what it is. And also, most most of those people are also unhealthy themselves.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 We just have to stop thinking about it as a right-wing or a left-wing thing. It's dumb and it's dangerous.
It's bad for you. And I know it's hard to change your fucking, people are like battleships.

Speaker 3 It's hard to change course. It's fucking hard.

Speaker 2 It's also hard even in the system. When you're separate from politics, when you're in, there's local politics, right? You're in a hospital system, you're a primary care.

Speaker 2 Man, you start writing a lot of testosterone and treating your patients, you're going to have the urology section of your hospital pissed off because they're going to go, what the hell is this primary care doing this?

Speaker 2 That's my spectrum. Send them over to me.

Speaker 3 Right, I could be making money off these people.

Speaker 2 Everything is siloed in a way that it makes it hard for these clinicians to practice medicine the way they would want.

Speaker 3 Which is why they're trying to stop telemedicine.

Speaker 3 It's not for you. It's not good.
And it shouldn't be legal. And that's where I believe in government oversight.

Speaker 3 There should be like an actual government person who can never get a job with any of these organizations, never get a job with it.

Speaker 3 It should be like if you agree to take this job on, you'll be well compensated, but you will never be able to work for pharmaceutical drug companies ever. That's

Speaker 2 simple, like even with food. We could overcomplicate food.
Okay, why not just say, if you don't ship it to Europe, don't ship it to Americans.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Duh.
How is that hard?

Speaker 2 If we don't want to do the double-blind studies and the research, and I get it, and it's hard to do, and it's confusing, but at minimal,

Speaker 3 we can follow the guidance of countries who have better health standards than the u.s has today just think about what you said about war and think about what you said about the american people how many die from chronic disease every year and think about how much money we have spent on a war that we're not even in

Speaker 3 i mean what did what was the overall what's the the latest didn't they just send another few billion billions a little bit here a little bit there i mean i wonder how much they set aside for those people in north carolina and tennessee from that hurricane because those people are fucked yep a lot of people are dead man.

Speaker 3 I was reading this account. It was a horrific account of

Speaker 3 these people, a grandparents and a child that were on a roof. And it was before the roof swept away, the building swept away and they drowned.

Speaker 3 But there's a photograph of the last photograph of them on the roof. And they're terrified.
And this little girl and her grandparents are on this roof.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 the water is everywhere. I mean, there's so many washed out streets and so many washed out bridges and the roads are gone.
Have you seen some of the aerial photographs?

Speaker 2 I have. It's terrible.

Speaker 3 It's terrible. Houses

Speaker 3 floating down the street in Asheville, North Carolina, just floating down the street.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 how much relief are they going to get? Is it going to be like Maui where you give them $700?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Which is the most, that's more insulting than giving them no money. A one-time fee of $700, you lost your house in the most catastrophic wildfire in the history of North America.

Speaker 3 Are you going to give them $700 each? Are you going to give Ukraine $170, whatever billion?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I heard Tulsi on here talking, and I'm like, God, man, when you look at like,

Speaker 2 there's a lot to gain by those people not being able to afford to stay. Like, they're

Speaker 2 essentially homeless, and then they still got to pay their mortgages. They still have to pay these bills.
But they're not going to give them long-term mortgage relief.

Speaker 3 That's very valuable land if everybody defaults. And not only that, but the governor was on record give a speech like right after the fire.

Speaker 3 And one of the things they talked about was the state taking that land, which is an insane thing to do.

Speaker 3 Was it the mayor? Who was it that said that? It was the mayor or the governor, but it was just the fact that they said it out loud is so insane.

Speaker 3 In the wake of these people suffering this catastrophic loss, they didn't even know how many people were dead at that time. People were just missing, kids missing, burnt alive.

Speaker 3 Who knows how many people died? I don't even think they have an accurate count right now of how how many people died.

Speaker 2 When we live in a world where things change so fast.

Speaker 3 See if you can find that.

Speaker 2 I get how people would get overwhelming because I try to follow it all and that's why I stick to my niche at healthcare.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but this is

Speaker 3 too much. This is crazy.
I know. This is crazy that they're saying.
Now,

Speaker 3 think about allocating that kind of money towards healthcare.

Speaker 3 102, the death toll from the deadliest wildfire in over a century has risen to 102. Yeah, but what did the what did the what I asked you is what did the governor say about acquiring the land?

Speaker 3 Not the death toll. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't think that I think 102 is the current estimate, but I think there's a lot of people missing. What do you know about the Ukraine?

Speaker 2 One of the things, and again, I don't know enough to

Speaker 2 I'm curious because I know

Speaker 2 you've interviewed a lot of smarter people than me.

Speaker 2 I was told that one of the leverage points for the Ukraine in order to get funding was to put up land as collateral through

Speaker 2 like their farmland is put up as collateral on the loans that are being provided and those loans are essentially being provided by

Speaker 3 Dave Smith's exploring it to me. I don't really know.
I don't know. I haven't researched it.
I haven't read anything about it. But yeah, that's what I've heard as well.

Speaker 2 Because I always look and go, well, there's no such thing as

Speaker 2 everything's biased. No such thing as a free lunch.
So what is the real agenda and who's funding and why is always my question just from seeing other sectors and what happens.

Speaker 3 Of course. Always.
There's always money behind it. Yeah.
But it's also,

Speaker 3 Ukraine is one of the most mineral-rich places on earth. Like, it's worth trillions of dollars and all sorts of different, like, groovy shit that we need to make stuff with.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 What did the governor say? I'm trying to find the real quote.

Speaker 1 I'll just go with what I have right now.

Speaker 3 Don't want to put it up for me.

Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 3 It's up.

Speaker 3 Okay. So this is just.

Speaker 1 That's the only one I've found so far.

Speaker 3 I'm already looking for states to acquire

Speaker 3 ways for states to acquire Lahaina.

Speaker 3 Put that in a search engine.

Speaker 1 That's why I'm on Twitter because it wasn't coming up in a search engine.

Speaker 3 So he said in a speech that's a good thing. It's crazy to tell how quick stuff can be suppressed and disappear.
You got to look. I started using the Brave browser recently.
I gave up on DuckDuckGo.

Speaker 3 DuckDuckGo seems to have gone the way of Google. It's very difficult to find things that are inconvenient.
But Brave seems to be uncensored and doesn't seem to be curated.

Speaker 3 But after I said that, that, they'll probably get them too.

Speaker 3 I don't know who to use. I don't know what to do anymore.
It's like the whole thing is so.

Speaker 2 That's where all of this gets so hard. It's like

Speaker 2 I want to believe there's truth and that we have somewhere where we have still have integrity and honesty and transparency. It doesn't mean you always get it right.

Speaker 2 It's only adapting the articles doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 It's only in independent journalism now. You get that from Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi,

Speaker 3 Glenn Greenwald. You get that from those type of people.

Speaker 3 You don't get that from anywhere else anymore. And it's good that we have those type of people, that they're there, and they'll hold people accountable and tell you the real numbers of things and

Speaker 3 give you the facts behind what caused conflicts, not just report on the conflicts, but explain to you what happened.

Speaker 1 A fact check I found, I think this is what he said.

Speaker 3 He said, I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land so we could put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to people who are lost.

Speaker 3 That is a crazy thing to say.

Speaker 3 Because as soon as you say, state to acquire that land, and we'll decide the awesome things to do with it, that's now you took very, very, very valuable land.

Speaker 3 And you could say, hey, we're going to sell it to a resort, and the resort is going to donate to all these wonderful funds. How many people are missing from the fire, Jamie? Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 That's so crazy.

Speaker 3 Because the problem with fires is like you need like dental records and shit. You know, like when it gets down to someone dying and like an infirmary.

Speaker 2 But if they're missing at this point, they're gone.

Speaker 3 I have a buddy of mine that was a firefighter and he told me some crazy shit. It's just

Speaker 3 going into a building with burning people in it is madness. Okay, is a thousand people reported missing? Whoa.
Yeah, so this death toll way off. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's major.

Speaker 3 85 deaths were confirmed. But I think the the problem is when they can say 102 deaths confirmed and they don't say but yet there's 990 people missing

Speaker 3 you can say that because it's very difficult to confirm who these people are there's not much left

Speaker 3 it's so scary fire is so fucking scary and when you've been evacuated by fire there was one time where i was coming home from the comedy store i got evacuated uh the same day but as i was coming home from the comedy store as i was driving to my house the whole right side of the highway over the tops of the hills was in flame.

Speaker 3 Like all the hills, like as you get like woodland hills and shit, in flames. Just in flames.
Like fire coming over hills. You're watching houses go up in flames.

Speaker 3 It's such a weird feeling because that's when you realize that we all have this very naive idea.

Speaker 3 And by the way, people working on wildfires and those firefighters who work 24-7 and just fucking stayed alive on coffee and those people are fucking heroes. Yep.
But there's not enough of them. Okay.

Speaker 3 When this cop told me, this firefighter rather told me when we're doing Fear Factor once, he goes, one day.

Speaker 3 He goes, one day a fire is going to hit the right conditions with the right wind and it's going to burn through LA all the way to the ocean. We can't do anything to stop it.
And I was like, really?

Speaker 3 He goes, yeah, when they get real big, there's nothing you can do. And I always thought that guy was just, that was hyperbole until I saw what happened in my fucking neighborhood.

Speaker 3 And I was like, this is,

Speaker 2 do they, I don't know enough about, do they do control burns and all that in California now to try and stop like create stop gaps and all that for the fires or how does that how do they even do that?

Speaker 3 What is this Jamie?

Speaker 1 Updated because

Speaker 3 this isn't updated though.

Speaker 1 From the first thing I found which was it says November 18th 2023. Right the original thing we read that said a thousand was from September so it was 60 days before this.

Speaker 3 Oh, September, but I thought it was September of this year. No.
No? So it's still September 2022. So it says 100 days after the Maui fires, four names remain on the missing list.

Speaker 3 So they found a bunch of those people? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's currently only two on the list.

Speaker 3 Oh, there's only two missing? Yeah. Period?

Speaker 1 I mean, I found the website that has their names listed.

Speaker 3 Oh, so the other two. The death toll is 102? Yeah.

Speaker 3 So why did they say... So the death toll was elevated when they thought 1,000 people were missing? Is that what it was? And then those people had a ⁇ there's only two people missing?

Speaker 3 Here's what I looked up.

Speaker 1 I typed in Maui fire people missing. When you click on the first thing that says how many people were missing in the Maui fire, that's what I clicked on that you read.

Speaker 3 The date on that is 1,000 in 2018, September 18, 2023.

Speaker 3 Right after it. And then in November, they had narrowed it down to four people.

Speaker 3 Yes. Okay, go back.

Speaker 3 What's below that? Why are so many people still missing in Maui? That's September of 2023.

Speaker 3 What does it say?

Speaker 3 They have an explanation, but I'm hoping maybe New York Magazine has an explanation that makes more sense.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to be able to read it. Oh, you sons of bitches.

Speaker 3 Did Maui officials release the 388 names of people unaccounted for in the Maui fire? Click on that. That's down to two.

Speaker 1 That's what I said. I was on the website.

Speaker 3 It has two people listed.

Speaker 3 But what it says right here is more than 100 within a day. August 25th.
I'm reading it.

Speaker 3 388 names of people unaccounted for following the deadliest U.S. wildfires in more than a century.
More than 100 of them or their relatives came forward to say they're safe. So this was in August.

Speaker 3 So 100 of the 388 people. So that number of 1,000 was just the initial number.
So that was like when

Speaker 1 it's just saying over 1,000 were reported missing. There's over 3,000, according to the other thing, or initially reported missing.
That means that they could have found them the next day. Right.

Speaker 1 Right. Two days later, three days later.

Speaker 3 Right, or months later.

Speaker 2 But it's also an island. It can't be that hard to find.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but you probably don't report when you're staying with relatives in Honolulu because your house burnt down in Maui. You probably just go over there and stay there.

Speaker 1 Sell coverage, problems, and all sorts of stuff. They couldn't contact people, maybe.
You know, it's a lot of

Speaker 3 possibilities, I feel like. So that's good that there was less people died, that's for sure.
But it's still fucked that they're trying to take the land.

Speaker 3 And that what they're doing is they're making it very difficult for these people to rebuild. And most of them haven't even started yet.

Speaker 2 Well, and then I know, too, I mean, it's taken forever for people to get their insurance claims and their money. and that happens even here with hurricanes.
It's a,

Speaker 2 you know, if you don't have the money to pay for stuff yourself, you're stuck battling the insurance company.

Speaker 2 If you don't have the money to battle the insurance company, then you're really in a tough spot. Right.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's dark.

Speaker 2 I had a, during a hurricane in Houston at our pharmacy, I had a

Speaker 2 tree damage the roof, but then it wasn't covered by flood insurance because they said it was wind-driven rain. Anyways, it was was like $60,000 in damage that the insurance didn't cover.
Why?

Speaker 2 Because they could say it's wind-driven rain, not flood, not rising water. And so

Speaker 3 water damage is very specific.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they have different ways

Speaker 2 of loopholing out of paying your coverage.

Speaker 2 And so for somebody who's, it's their house, you know, who maybe doesn't have the money to fight the insurance companies, they just put a tarp on the roof and live with it as long as they can until they can afford to fix it.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 So when you got water coverage, you thought you were getting coverage from shit like that? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I had flood insurance, everything, and it doesn't cover it. So

Speaker 2 I got left holding the bag. Is there tree insurance?

Speaker 3 Can you get insurance for a tree dropping on your house? Yeah, there is.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there is general insurance, but I don't know how it all works.

Speaker 2 There's different deductibles, and there's always a liability. There's always a loophole.

Speaker 2 Insurance is a racket. And then even in healthcare insurance, you know, like...

Speaker 3 What is in a racket? Is there a thing out there that's not a racket?

Speaker 2 I know church, religion, everything's a racket.

Speaker 3 Well, some church isn't a racket. Yeah.
Some church is great. Some church is very beneficial for people.
I think that a lot more as I'm older. I think it's like a good, I think Zubi said this.

Speaker 3 I think he called it like an immune system.

Speaker 3 It's a good immune system to protect you from the bullshit in society. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think I'm paraphrasing him for sure, but I think that's accurate.

Speaker 2 As great as we are as humans, we are tribal, like you said. So we find

Speaker 2 reasons to see how we're different and where to argue and where to fight. And I think that allows corruption to creep in.
And

Speaker 2 it's insidious. It spreads.

Speaker 2 It's in every aspect of life.

Speaker 3 As soon as you let people have money doing a thing, and as soon as you can attach something to something that people are deeply opposed to, like whatever Trump is for, you're against, you know, no matter what.

Speaker 3 It's just,

Speaker 3 when you could find a thing like that, that's the enemy believes it. People are so reluctant to look at real data.
They're so reluctant.

Speaker 3 Even the people that don't want murderers and rapists and drug dealers sneaking across the border, they'll find a way to say, like, one of the things they like to say is

Speaker 3 migrants statistically commit less crimes than people who live here. That's what they say.
They love to say that one. But you know what that is? You know what that's accounting for?

Speaker 3 Gang violence, people that are in prison. Like

Speaker 3 you're looking at everybody. Yeah.
Statistically, they commit less crimes. Yeah, there's a lot less of them.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And also, we have a lot of crime.
So what the fuck are you trying to say?

Speaker 3 It's not like the average person is out there committing all these crimes. No, it's a very small number of people that are career criminals.
Yeah. They're poor people.

Speaker 3 They're fucking, they grew up in terrible environments. They started doing crime when they were young.
They're criminals. They're career criminals.

Speaker 3 There's a small percentage of those, and they fucked the numbers up.

Speaker 3 So if you want to say that, like, migrants statistically, like, yeah, okay okay statistically but statistically that's not what we're talking about yeah there's no they're talking about let there's no justification for letting in murderers mark twain there's there's lies there's damn lies and then there's statistics right i mean how do they find those statistics when they say that migrants are less likely first of all they're not even arresting them in some places like what they put treated as sanctuary cities like people are dealing with that in aurora colorado they're not even arresting people they commit crimes cops will tell you they can't arrest them because it's a sanctuary in california they don't arrest if if it's under thirteen hundred dollars or something oh yeah and so they just let them walk out with TVs they just gotta make sure it's under like

Speaker 3 apparently San Francisco according to some people that I know that are living there is getting better because of AI so Chamath was saying that when the super nerds are running things, everything's great.

Speaker 3 But as soon as like the mid-level people start taking over, they get through with ideology. They get through with like progressive virtue signaling.

Speaker 3 And that's how they get ahead because they're mostly mediocre people. And so when they start to get a grip of the city, you're kind of fucked.

Speaker 3 But if the AI becomes the dominant force in the industry again, then the super nerds will be back in control again. And if the super nerds are in control, they'll fix all these things.

Speaker 3 They'll clean all because it's logical. It's logical to not have people like camping on the streets and fucking shooting up in the middle of, you know.
like parks and stuff.

Speaker 2 I wonder even with AI, like as we get down in that, like what you were talking about, it's a way more complex conversation than today, but like what are they going to do with the massive displacements in jobs between ai and robotics and humanoid robots i mean there's 10 companies out there that are launching robots not just elon and those are backed by chat gpt and and large language models that are rapidly approaching the level of human knowledge and intellect that of the average human and like it's there i walked by the tesla store the other day at the domain i was thinking of buying a robot oh they have them there they have a robot i don't think you could buy it oh they are if they could buy it i'd be like i would probably buy that robot.

Speaker 3 I was talking to my kids. Like, you guys think we should get a robot? It'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 Would you trust that fucker? You trust that fucker? Well, Russia could hack it.

Speaker 2 We already have, you know, everyone has Alexa in their house. And, you know, what was that one? Like,

Speaker 2 I made a joke about the government. I laughed.
Alexa laughed. So did the FBI or whatever it is.
Like, it's so entrenched in our world.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 3 It is entrenched, but it's mostly illegal to use. Yeah.
It's like mostly illegal what they're doing.

Speaker 3 You know, know, if if they if the FBI is really using your Wi-Fi to follow you around your house all day long, that's kind of a violation of your privacy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And that's a real technology that's available now.

Speaker 3 And it should be available if there's a situation where there's a fucking terrorist and he's in a house and he's got a suicide vest and you can use Wi-Fi to locate him and know exactly where he is and you protect all these other people.

Speaker 3 So that's justification for having some kind of technology in the hands of some intelligence agents. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That makes great but you know if you're using it to gather dirt dirt on old Brigham, because Brigham's got a big old mouth when he's talking about the pharmaceutical drug and, you know, you have a fucking group of people that are working to put together a dossier on you.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's all nuts, man.
It's nuts, and it's like right out in the open.

Speaker 2 Well, with the AI and the way things are headed, too, though, like when we talk about displacement of jobs, so many people think it's going to be like...

Speaker 2 trade workers and I'm like no this is going to replace clinicians this is going to replace doctors lawyers you know a lot of dude, a lot of things.

Speaker 3 A lot of things. You're going to need universal basic income, according to most people who understand economics.
I don't know if they're right, but it makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 Universal basic income scares me because

Speaker 3 incentivizing people to not work scares me.

Speaker 3 You know, and giving people an excuse to not,

Speaker 3 it's bad for people. It just is.
It's bad for kids. If you just give your kids everything they want and they never learn how to work hard, you're fucking them up.

Speaker 3 And the problem with just giving people a check, they're not going to to want to, if you get enough to eat and you have recreation money and you have a roof over your head and you don't have to work at all.

Speaker 3 Like, and working for like a little bit more than that, and then you lose those benefits, fuck that. I would rather like pare down my lifestyle.

Speaker 2 I say this: you also need a purpose. Like, in Victor Frankl's A Man's Search for Meaning, he survived that Nazi concentration camp because he had a purpose, a higher calling.

Speaker 2 I can tell you, when I'm just eating shit sandwiches and getting my head stomped in in right now running these companies over 300 employees DEA FDA

Speaker 2 You know fighting big pharma all the things we battle There are a lot of days I go to bed with anxiety and stress But I go to bed feeling like I'm really on the right side of something positive.

Speaker 2 I really truly do you have when I was a device rep, I made good money

Speaker 2 But I went to bed miserable every night and I felt like I'm just kind of a pawn and a scheme and we're not really making an impact. So I go back to I think people, humans, we need a purpose.

Speaker 2 And so that scares me the most is a lot of people's purpose, if it's not being a mother or father or sibling, they find purpose in their trade and their craft and their job and

Speaker 2 their cause. So what do we do when that's a really good question?

Speaker 3 If you wanted to look at it long term, if you were you being objective and not taking into account human emotions and suffering and the disruption of lives that it's undeniably going to cause.

Speaker 3 If you just wanted to look at us objectively, you would say this is an inevitable transition, a very painful transition into a technological world. And human beings are going to have to adapt.

Speaker 3 And if this was available to them when they were babies, they would have adapted to exist in that world.

Speaker 3 They would have found things to do for a living that only humans can do because they're very personal things that only humans can do. There's always going to be a market for handmade things.

Speaker 3 There's always going to be a market for I like a painting that I know the guy who made it yeah you know you know what i mean i love that i love that i look at like like that painting up there you know my friend taylor made that i know him yeah hung out with the dude that's mitzy that's mitzy but that there's a big thing that taylor made that and he's my friend i know him that's a piece of you have some of the coolest art in your studio and at the and at the club like i love art super cool art art's amazing i love it i get it gets it makes me feel different when i'm a when i'm looking at something that someone made

Speaker 3 it makes me feel better when i see your greg overton stuff oh i love that it's like you're looking it is yeah insane the detail and like incredible it's crazy it's the only thing i'm allowed to have in my house i don't

Speaker 3 i'm not allowed to decorate my house because it would look like a fucking a baby's house it would look a man baby it would all be like toys everywhere i'm not allowed to decorate my house but i do have uh three Greg Overton paintings.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Everything else, my wife figured everything else out. I'm just just like, go ahead.
Just give me a little space. Just give me a little something.

Speaker 3 I get an elk head in the kitchen, in the dining table, over the dining table. First elk I shot with a bow.
But it's not like the stuff con, it's just the skull. You just do the European mountain.

Speaker 3 That's what I like. Do you have any taxidermy? No.
No, I don't. Tax dermies, that's dolls.
Yeah. You know, that's what that is.
My friend Tyler does it. You know, I love Tyler from Archery Country.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He makes tax dermes.
Tax dermies are art fan.

Speaker 2 I think they look like when you go to

Speaker 2 one of these lodges where they have like entire scenes, like I saw one, the guy on the second story of his house like has a kudu drinking out of water, and it's literally a crocodile coming up.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's wild.

Speaker 3 Yeah, especially in Texas.

Speaker 3 My friend told me that he went over this guy's house, and the guy had a stuffed chimpanzee.

Speaker 3 And the chimpanzee, when you got near him, it was like rigged where his

Speaker 3 eyes would light up and his dick would pop up.

Speaker 3 Like they had it, you know how they walk by those haunted house things?

Speaker 3 You walk by him, his eyes light up and his dick pops up.

Speaker 2 Because of you, we watched, what was the chimp thing?

Speaker 3 Oh, chimp crazy. Oh my God.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 It's insane.

Speaker 3 It's insane. It's nuts.
These people are out of their fucking mind.

Speaker 2 And it's, but it's weird because it's the same as Tiger King in a way. Like, it's the same personality quirk.
You know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 2 it's this weird personality quirk. When you watch it, you see some of the, like,

Speaker 2 I don't want to say mental health issues, but some of the

Speaker 2 dramas or whatever they are.

Speaker 3 Oh, they're mentally ill people. Yeah.
They're mentally ill, crazy people who have giant primates that live in their house in cages.

Speaker 2 Everyone's face gets ripped off.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. They all

Speaker 3 take their noses off. Oh, my God.
Yeah. They rip their eyes out.
Yeah, it's nuts. And for the first four or five years, the monkey gets to go everywhere.

Speaker 3 So the chimp gets to go to the pizza place, and everybody loves them. Chimp gets to go here.
But then they get a little older, and now they're in a cage all day. So they used to be free.

Speaker 3 They used to go to the town. Everybody was their friend.
Now all of a sudden they're in a fucking cage and when they get out of that cage they fuck people up.

Speaker 2 They're so and then they have that hormone dump.

Speaker 2 I think they were saying the male primates are like five or six years old so they become really hard to domesticate or keep as a pet because they get violent. I mean that's their way of communicating.

Speaker 3 They castrate them. That's why that lady's 15 year old.
She can hang out with it and watch 2001. That's a castrated 15 year old chimpanzee.
That's why it's so skinny too.

Speaker 3 It looks like Michael Jackson. Yeah.
Skinny. The other ones look jacked.
Yeah. You know, they look like

Speaker 3 Mike Tyson in his prime. The kind of musculature they have is.

Speaker 2 I haven't messaged Tony about it yet, but the Vince McMahon.

Speaker 2 What do you mean? They just dropped the Vince McMahon docuseries on Netflix.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's not about chimpanzees. No, no, this one's

Speaker 3 Vincent's dude to a chimpanzee.

Speaker 2 No, no, this is a new Netflix one about Vince McMahon and the WWE. It's pretty intense.

Speaker 3 No, I've never seen it, man. Speaking of muscle.
He was doing some wild shit. Of course he was.

Speaker 3 I mean, when you're that jacked and you're in your 70s, what are you on? Yeah. Like, what do you want to be that jacked in your 70s? Yeah.

Speaker 3 The guy's probably out of his fucking mind and partying. Did he really shit on someone's head?

Speaker 2 Is that real? Hey, I'm still, I'm only on like the second episode, but they're getting into like, there was a lot of

Speaker 2 there was some weird stuff. Like they even, they were even bringing in little kids, kind of like going down that Epstein path.
Oh, my God. They talk about that.

Speaker 2 Like, not kid, teenage boys, kids, though, 15, 16-year-old kids working crews and stuff that were being utilized sexually and exploited.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's a lot of

Speaker 2 sinister stuff in there. I don't know how much.

Speaker 3 These are just allegations.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's all allegations and whistleblowers. And I mean, who knows?

Speaker 2 You never know anymore.

Speaker 3 Imagine how much liberty you have to take with the truth if you make up a story about someone shitting on your head.

Speaker 3 If you're like, you know what? This, whatever happened, not bad enough. I want them like, shit on my head.
Let's say shit on my head. Yeah.
But to make that up, you'd have to be.

Speaker 3 That's such an insane thing. But when you look at Vince McMahon, you go, I bet he did that.
Yeah. I bet he did it.
He looks like he's insane. He's fucking jacked.

Speaker 2 But you also live in an imaginary world where you've created this character. And then at what point does the character become you

Speaker 2 when you've done it for 30, 40 years, whatever it was?

Speaker 3 Right. Because he grew up.

Speaker 2 His dad founded it and he was integral into the storylines and then became

Speaker 2 like his character was the pompous Vince McMahon,

Speaker 2 elitist. Like that was his whole character.
That was his shtick. So did that bleed into life? Does reality become

Speaker 3 reality? For sure. It must.
It has to. I know it does with comedians.

Speaker 3 Comedians like become their character. Like Andrew Dice Clay used to be Andrew Silverstein.
Dice was a character they used to do in his act. And then it just became him.
Yeah. You know?

Speaker 3 And like Sam Kinnison, same thing. Like Sam Kinnison became the beast because that's what everybody wanted.
He was like captured by it. He became that guy.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 If you're Vince McMahon and, like, your whole thing is, fuck you, I run this game. You're all out of your fucking mind.
I'm going to have shit in your head.

Speaker 3 Like, he probably just pushed it to the limit. Plus, you add in a lot of recreational substances.
Yeah. Which I'm sure there was plenty of.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 What did it say about that?

Speaker 2 They haven't gotten into that. I'm on the second episode.

Speaker 2 They are, they're talking about steroid use, and they're definitely, I didn't know that they indicted him for selling steroids to his athletes. I mean, a lot lot of crazy stuff.
Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they tried to indict him and he fought it. I think he got off.
Have you ever

Speaker 3 seen any of the more plates, more dates videos about Tren?

Speaker 2 No, from Derek. I've watched Derek.

Speaker 2 I love his coverage. He's so smart.
He breaks stuff down so eloquently.

Speaker 3 But there's so much talk about Trend for whatever reason and sexual deviance.

Speaker 3 Like guys who turn gay when they're doing Trend. Like just these guys are taking crazy doses of this super powerful powerful steroid.
Yeah. And they're just doing wild fucking things.

Speaker 3 They get trend cough. They get like a crazy cough and just out of their fucking mind just deviant.

Speaker 2 It's crazy. It is it's such a short-term

Speaker 2 there's so many bad things that can happen there.

Speaker 2 It is crazy to me.

Speaker 3 But if you want a career pro-wrestling and you want to be a fucking animal and you want to get hit by a chair every night. Yeah.
Like you're traveling across the country, probably a good jug.

Speaker 2 They are some of the most banged, like, God, man, we've, we've had the opportunity to work with several big WWE wrestlers, and they have put their bodies through hell.

Speaker 2 For, I mean, I would say even more than jiu-jitsu and MMA guys and NFL guys. Out of everybody we've worked with, the wrestlers are the most beat to shit.

Speaker 3 You know who's not beat to shit? The Rock.

Speaker 3 Is that crazy? I mean, he's got his little injuries and shit like that, but the guy looks like a fucking superhero. Yeah.
He's 50 years old.

Speaker 3 He's been through, like, how many years of WWE? Also played football? And look at him. He's fine.
yeah it's nuts he's an anomaly

Speaker 3 the most anomalous of anomalies because all those other guys that i met jake the snake i mean hulk hogan's man his back's he's got to walk with a cane he's all banged up and you see him shrinking well his back

Speaker 3 they're shorter and smaller than they were from all the back and spine surgeries he's lost like four inches so four inches of spine being compressed so nuts it's so crazy man they just and he said it was from that drop boom he would do that all the time every time he did it he's compressing his spine yeah just ruined his back doing that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's scary.

Speaker 3 Speaking of someone who looks like a chimp, how about Brock Lesnar? When he flipped through the air and landed on his head?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Brock Lesnar looked like a shaved chimp. Like, if you see a shaved chimp, like, that's what.

Speaker 2 Have you seen his dog?

Speaker 3 Except he's too wide.

Speaker 2 She's a wrestler, too, or like a collegiate wrestler.

Speaker 3 She's Jack. Jeans.
Something

Speaker 3 like that. That's Viking jeans.
When that was in a boat, come on. Yeah.
Pulling into the harbor.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine being back there, like, half starving, and Brock Lesnar gets gets off a boat walking onto your land? You're like,

Speaker 3 alive anyway. And you see that guy get off a boat with a sword.
Yeah. That's what the Vikings did.

Speaker 2 I think of that Shane Gillis joke.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 That's a great joke. But

Speaker 3 they did do a lot of that, too. Yeah.
They raped everybody. Yeah.
The Vikings were unbelievably brutal. And they did a lot of drugs, too, apparently.
They were doing a lot of drugs.

Speaker 2 They were doing psychedelics and human sacrifices and all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they would sacrifice people. Do you ever see that show, Vikings?

Speaker 2 Oh, loved it. Yeah, Ragnar Lothbrook and like great

Speaker 3 show yeah the so good show yeah great show my wife get bailed on it after a while she could deal with everybody getting hacked to death by swords like after a while you're like okay

Speaker 2 yeah stop as you got in the late i don't know how far you followed it but it went into ivar the boneless and but all these are historical figures oh yeah and there's truth like it's fictional uh what is it his fictional history or whatever it is but it is it is based in some truth which is fascinating oh yeah the the actual things that they did they really did yeah which is just they were so nuts, man.

Speaker 3 But there's been so many instances like that in history of like groups of unbelievable savages that accomplished insane things just by pure barbarism and slaughter of innocent people. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like the Mongols. I was watching something about Mongolia today.
There was these

Speaker 3 guys who are fitness influencers went to go

Speaker 3 experience these

Speaker 3 Mongolian wrestlers. And these Mongolian wrestlers are like these giants of Mongolia, these fucking tanks.

Speaker 3 These dudes are throwing each other around, and they got to eat food with them and hang out with them and experience it. That's what's left over.

Speaker 2 Did you ever watch Marco Polo?

Speaker 3 No, I watched a little bit of it. I watched the beginning of it.

Speaker 2 I don't know what happened. It didn't get, but it was really, really good at Genghis Khan.
And

Speaker 2 I think you've talked about it's like, isn't it one-eighth of the world's population?

Speaker 3 10%.

Speaker 3 I think he was dealing with Genghis Khan's son.

Speaker 3 I think he was dealing with Genghis Khan's son.

Speaker 3 The empire was already in decline by that time. You know, it's like once Genghis Khan died, his sons took over, his family took over, and then it kind of fell apart after a while.

Speaker 3 Because you need a fucking psycho. Yeah, you need a guy who's got DNA.
And what was the number, Jamie, when we last looked at like what percentage of the population in Asia has Genghis Khan's DNA?

Speaker 3 It's something nuts. Like 5% of everybody

Speaker 3 still has it. This fucking guy who lived in what 1200? When did Genghis Khan live? I think it was 1,200.

Speaker 3 So all these years later, this dude has 5%.

Speaker 2 Wasn't it, was it you and I that were talking about if you go back to like ancient Mesopotamia, it's only like 50-something humans ago if you base it off people living to be 100.

Speaker 2 It's not, it's nothing. It's nothing.

Speaker 3 Okay, it's more than that. It's 5% of the male population.
Excuse me.

Speaker 3 0. Yeah.
5% of the male population worldwide. Half percent.
Half percent. Right, not 5%.

Speaker 3 Worldwide. But what is it in Asia?

Speaker 2 That is still crazy.

Speaker 3 0.5% of the male population worldwide, but what is it in Asia? In Asia, I think it's nuts.

Speaker 3 8%, maybe?

Speaker 3 Is that what it says? 8.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 8%.

Speaker 3 That's nuts. So 750 years of Genghis Khan's heritage, this mutation occurred in 8% of males in 16 different populations that were being studied.

Speaker 3 So one half of a percent of everyone on Earth, 8% of people that live there. That isn't.
So like what was it like when he was alive? Was everybody fucking their cousin?

Speaker 3 Because you like couldn't help it? Because Genghis Khan fucked everybody? So he would, when they would conquer a town, he would take everyone's wife.

Speaker 3 He would just kill all the men, fuck all the ladies. They all became his wives.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And he just did that everywhere.

Speaker 2 That was in

Speaker 2 they did that in Ireland, too. The British

Speaker 2 royalty or aristocrats would

Speaker 2 impregnate the Irishmen on the night of their wedding. They would impregnate their wives.
Oh, Jesus. That was where that's what Braveheart was about.

Speaker 2 He came back and I'm blanking out on his name, but fought for the Irish because they were basically raping their wives and making sure that they were raising British noble-born instead of Irish.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I just listened to a book on this.

Speaker 1 It's one of the myths that come from that. Not that it

Speaker 1 never happened, but they said that it didn't really happen.

Speaker 3 Jamie's a party pooper. You notice that?

Speaker 3 They were going to be a bitch. Factor, Jamie.

Speaker 2 There's a great course that's on Audible is going through all the people and if you look at like they didn't really get into in the movie but we when we did

Speaker 2 Europe we we did a tour where they were breaking down like how bad they tortured him and mutilated him in a public setting prior to killing him William Wallace oh my god it's brutal yeah yeah

Speaker 3 what what's the myth aspect of it oh about the that they like raped the

Speaker 1 peasants wives or whatever on their wedding days.

Speaker 1 Like there might have been one king or a couple like aristocratic type people that might have been dickheads and did it, but it wasn't like a thing that happened regularly.

Speaker 3 So it wasn't a pandemic of rape. Right.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of raping going on.

Speaker 3 Well, there was like

Speaker 3 customers. I mean, if you go back long enough, it's all rape.
Yeah. You know, like, how far do you have to go back in human history? Like, was there any cave people that were like male feminists?

Speaker 3 Right? There was fucking, it was, they were barbaric. They killed each other.
They stole wives.

Speaker 3 I remember reading this book about the Comanche where they were talking about this one Comanche warrior who wanted this other Comanche's wife.

Speaker 3 So he killed a guy and ate a piece of his heart and then took his wife.

Speaker 3 Like, that was humans. That's what humans do.

Speaker 2 I know you had him on, but Empire of the Summer Moon, I'm so excited for that to come out as

Speaker 2 a series.

Speaker 2 If he's...

Speaker 3 Who's directing it? Is that Taylor Sheridan? Yeah, Taylor Sheridan. And if they do it,

Speaker 3 Taylor's going to do it by the book. Yeah.
I know Taylor. He'll do it by the book.
By the way, he's got a great steakhouse. He just opened up in Vegas.
The 4-6s, 4-6 steakhouse.

Speaker 3 I think it's like a pop-up right now, but we ate at it last time we were in Vegas. It's fucking great.
It's all meat from his ranch. What a cool guy.

Speaker 3 Cool guy. Got his own ranch,

Speaker 3 makes a steakhouse, supplies the meat.

Speaker 2 It's fucking great. He's brilliant.
And then he also leases the horses and the livestock and all of that to Paramount. Oh, that's smart.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and his ranch he leases to Paramount, which is brilliant because he is a real cowboy with real cowboys that he, and I also love that he casts real cowboys into the subsidiary roles or the supporting roles of the subsidiary.

Speaker 3 He's a cowboy at a ranch a friend of mine works at in California. Oh, really? Yeah.
He like did real cowboy work. Oh, that's funny.
Before he ever made it.

Speaker 2 I just watch him on a horse when he's doing all his crazy horse stuff. I mean,

Speaker 2 it's wild how awesome his horses are that he's trained.

Speaker 3 He's a great podcast guest, too. Very interesting guy.

Speaker 3 Super fucking smart and those those shows the all the yellowstone shows are fucking incredible and the new ones are the best ones like if you go to like from yellowstone was great and then there was uh 1883 was great yeah and then the last one the 1923 the harrison ford one that's great they're all great they just get better it was i think 1883 is the most recent and that's my favorite that's the one when they're the family was making a cross yeah i love because it shows how

Speaker 2 it just shows the reality of how hard life was I mean, it was brutal for everyone, for everyone there.

Speaker 3 Like, God, unbelievable times. And so accurate.
Like, so accurate as to how people died and what they what they dealt with.

Speaker 3 And fuck, man, people falling off wagons, getting run over by the wheels, like that kind of shit.

Speaker 2 That's why if you've ever played Oregon Trail in elementary school, or that's what they had when I was in elementary school, and I would always die of syphilis or dysentery. I would never survive.

Speaker 2 Dysentery or what was it? Dysentery and or you get killed by Indians or whatever it is. But you look at how statistically unlikely it is that we're all here.
Right. I got to believe it's for a reason.

Speaker 2 We got to be here for something, right? We got to be, and I don't want us to squander.

Speaker 3 At the very least, if we're not here for something, at the very least, we can maximize our time here.

Speaker 3 You know, one of the things, the reason why this is very important to me is everything I do, I need energy. Everything I do, I need a lot of energy.
I need a lot of energy to do stand-up.

Speaker 3 I need a lot of energy to do jiu-jitsu. I need a lot of energy to do archery.
I need a lot of energy to do podcasts. I need a lot of energy to do UFC shows.

Speaker 3 If you're weak and tired, you won't be as good at anything you do, anything you do. And the one thing that you have control over,

Speaker 3 if you're a person that takes care of your diet and exercise, the one thing that you're going to have control over is you will be able to give your vehicle more energy.

Speaker 3 That's real.

Speaker 3 If you really do the right things in terms of with your health, you rest accordingly, eat the right foods, take vitamins, work out, plan it all.

Speaker 2 That's why people say so often that like eating healthy, working out, it's expensive, it takes time, but being chronically ill is way more expensive. Way more extra.
It takes way more time. And

Speaker 2 you have to choose your heart, but there is no path that's just going to be a cakewalk.

Speaker 3 You don't even need a fucking gym. If you have a YouTube account and a laptop, you can watch yoga videos and you can do them at home.

Speaker 3 If you get one 35-pound kettlebell, my friend Keith Weber, he's got this extreme kettlebell cardio series.

Speaker 3 He's got a bunch of different ones that you can do, but there's a few of them that are online. And I did one the other day.
It was fucking brutal. 35 pound kettlebell.

Speaker 3 It doesn't cost anything to get one of those things. How much is a 35 pound kettlebell? You get it once.
You never have to buy another one.

Speaker 3 And me, after all the years of using kettlebells, I still can get a fucking ass-kicking workout with one 35-pound kettlebell. And if you think you can't, follow that YouTube video and try.

Speaker 3 Just give it a try.

Speaker 2 Even Even walking, Casey has a stat she'll drop on you.

Speaker 2 I don't remember the numbers, so I won't even attempt, but just walking a few days a week, especially

Speaker 2 it's insane the difference in all-cause mortality risk and reduction in chronic disease.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you got to move around. Yeah.
Otherwise, your body's feeble. If your body's feeble, it's not going to be able to handle diseases, not going to be able to handle injuries.

Speaker 3 How many people die by falling down because they're older? You know, this is something that Peter Attia talks about quite a lot, is that it's very important for older people to lift weights.

Speaker 3 You know, not for vanity, but to be able to protect yourself from falling. If you're falling and you're feeble, you can't do anything to stop the fall.
You know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, after the age, I think it's after the age of 65, one of your greatest risk factors is a fracture.

Speaker 2 If you fracture a hip or a vertebrae, you have between a 15 and 35 percent chance of being dead within a year.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 It's one of the greatest risk factors. And think about it, because your body has to recover and rebuild, and you don't have all the health and youth that you had in your earlier years.
But

Speaker 2 stay active and keep muscle and keep bone mineral density and get proactive and all the things we've talked about.

Speaker 2 If we start monitoring your bone mineral density in your 20s, to your 30s, to your 40s, we know your family history. You're a petite girl.
You're going to experience a decline in bone mineral density.

Speaker 2 We've got to get ahead of that. One of the things they did that ruined that for so many women was the Women's Health Initiative, scaring them out of hormone optimization for women.

Speaker 2 And it terrified women, telling them that it was going to cause cancer and all these these things which ends up being the opposite of what it does and it did a huge disservice to women that created indirectly a rise in osto osteoporosis and osteopenia but one of the companies that was funding that was merck and merck sells an osteoporosis drug they have a blockbuster osteoporosis drug called phosimax that they printed money on during that time frame.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. And so it's hard because they do say trust the science.
And I'm not telling people don't trust the science. Trust but verify.
Let's keep honest people honest.

Speaker 3 But the problem is that science is very difficult to verify. Especially science that's given to you by the pharmaceutical drug companies because when one of the things, was it John Abramson

Speaker 3 who's litigated these cases against pharmaceutical drug companies? One of the things that he was saying is that he was part of the Viox thing.

Speaker 3 That when you get the peer-reviewed data, you don't get access to the data. You get access to their review of the data.

Speaker 3 So, and you also don't get access to all the studies that they did that didn't show a positive. I'm sure you saw that Steven Crowder thing where he caught that COVID czar guy.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 When he was talking

Speaker 3 when he was talking about monkeypox, the monkeypox drug.

Speaker 2 That's not. That he was intentionally saying that he was being funded to say those things

Speaker 2 and mislead the public.

Speaker 3 That they were trying to sell more of those drugs. And that the reality is most people aren't going to get monkeypox.
It's like you have to get it from gay sex. Yeah.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 Well, and it makes total sense because, again, not to say

Speaker 2 when you're in it, you think you're doing right. I don't think that people are out there trying to harm humanity.
I don't. I really want to hope that's not the case.

Speaker 2 But when I was a drug rep at 22 and you bring in a thought leader from Harvard that tells me all the ways that they're using this brilliant mental health drug off label, and then you put tremendous pressure and give me an expense account and send me out to drinks with a doctor.

Speaker 2 And I'm sitting there and the doctor's like, where else can I use this drug?

Speaker 3 You're like, do I tell them what that guy from Harvard told me?

Speaker 2 Because I also signed a contract that said I wouldn't, but then the company taught me all that and put me in this environment and it's like a wink wink nod nod and the pressure is to grow the patient population on a drug that's why GLP1s went from being for diabetic obese people to now let's help people lose weight for spring food real quick fast real quick real and it got accepted fast and that's what's scary and it got called the kardashian drug which was brilliant because there's no evidence they took it yeah oh really i don't i've never heard any evidence that they took it yeah but it's what you all you heard about.

Speaker 3 Like, I saw it on Twitter, the Kardashian drug. In the early days of these GLP ones, Ozempic and Wagovi, they were talking about it, and people were calling it the Kardashian drug.

Speaker 3 And they were saying all these women in Hollywood are taking it. I don't even know if they took it.
Because I know they have trainers, you know? So they might have just worked out.

Speaker 3 It might be bullshit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But everybody's like, oh, they're doing it.

Speaker 3 Those bitches. Like,

Speaker 3 one of my wife's friends sent her an image of this woman and said, oh, my God, everyone is on Ozempic these days. Just because the woman was skinny.

Speaker 3 It's like, first of all, that lady's always been skinny. You can find pictures of her from 30 years ago.
She was skinny. Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 Everybody wants to, like, oh, that bitch, she's on it.

Speaker 3 So, so we don't give anybody misinformation, we interrupted this podcast because Jamie found out at the end of the podcast that one of the Kardashians has her own GLP-1 daily pill.

Speaker 3 It's the latest product, capitalized on weight loss, drug. This is Courtney Kardashian, who's the thinnest.
Like, she was always thin, which is odd. So, just so people know.

Speaker 3 But the point was, at the beginning, everyone was calling it the Kardashian drug. Maybe they were right.

Speaker 3 Back to the show.

Speaker 2 And that's what people do with everything, though. They want to think that it's

Speaker 2 the most eye-opening thing, having got behind the scenes and met you and then met Cam and met... Aaron Rodgers and met all the every person that you have introduced me to works their ass off.

Speaker 2 The level of dedication and commitment and their schedules are crazy. And the pressure is crazy.
And the stress is crazy. And they have kids and families.
And they find a way.

Speaker 2 Cam's up at what, three in the morning to go run 30 miles.

Speaker 3 He doesn't have to do that anymore because he doesn't have a regular job anymore.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, that's good.

Speaker 3 Finally, I tried to talk that guy into quitting his job for like 10 fucking years. From the moment I met him, I'm like, quit that job, dude.
You can make more money doing this.

Speaker 3 I was like trying to convince him. It took forever.

Speaker 2 It's just inspiring to see because you can sit on the outside and think, oh, that guy who's on top of the mountain, he didn't, he's lucky. They got lucky.

Speaker 2 What you don't realize is you didn't see all the steps that it took for that guy to get a girl to get to the top of the mountain.

Speaker 3 Cam was running marathons in the morning before work when he was working eight-hour days.

Speaker 3 He would get up at 3:30 in the morning, run a fucking marathon, and then take three days off of work, take his, you know, vacation time, and go run the Moab 240, run 240 miles through the fucking mountains.

Speaker 3 Like, that's a regular guy with a regular job. And if you don't get inspired by that and realize, like, there's more in the tank than you think there is.

Speaker 3 And people like that, the benefit of people like that is that through their discipline, you can learn that you could do these things too. You can get inspired by it.

Speaker 3 Not maybe, maybe you can't run the Moab 240, but you will most certainly hold yourself to a higher standard when you know there's someone out there that's really busting their ass and trying to make things happen.

Speaker 2 It's motivating. Like Philip Rowe, Rowe, I know we've become really good friends.
Philly Fresh from UFC.

Speaker 3 Love that, dude.

Speaker 2 Dude, working as a UPS guy, raising two kids, training MMA in his spare time, and like trying to get all his work in

Speaker 2 makes it into the UFC. I mean, that's insane.

Speaker 3 How about Deontay Wilder? He's driving for like with Budweiser or Coca-Cola or something like that. Do you remember who he was driving for?

Speaker 3 Yeah. What was it? I think it was Coca-Cola.
Coca-Cola? Driving. Delivering trucks.
At like 21, starts boxing. At 23, wins a bronze medal in the fucking Olympics.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 3 Crazy. Budweiser.
Budweiser.

Speaker 3 Delivering Budweiser. Yeah.
So the guy's just trying to take care of his truck.

Speaker 2 The reason I'm saying this is there is hope, people.

Speaker 3 He got it. These guys can do it.
We can do it. He's going to take care of his kid who had medical problems.
That's cool.

Speaker 3 He needed money to take care of his kid, so he just said, I'll become a pro boxer. That is so crazy.
Crazy. And it has the gift.

Speaker 3 This one in a fucking hundred million gift of power that he had.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's nuts. But people like that exist to inspire you to do more.
And, you know, you could say, well, fuck her. She's on Ozimpic.
Or maybe she's not.

Speaker 3 Maybe she is really healthy and she fucking works out every day. Maybe that.
Maybe that too. Maybe instead of going, oh, fuck that, she's on Ozimpic.
Going, damn, that bitch looks good.

Speaker 3 What's she doing? Yeah. What are you doing? And then maybe find out what she's doing.
Maybe just realize you could do more yourself.

Speaker 3 And if you did, everything that you could do to make yourself healthy wouldn't even have the urge to look at someone else and say, oh, she's on Ozimpic. You wouldn't care.
Yeah. You would not care.

Speaker 2 What you see is people, momentum creates momentum. And even individuals I know that have taken Ozimpic,

Speaker 2 a lot of those people are, they just needed wins on the board and they needed to create momentum.

Speaker 2 And these really obese individuals, when they start seeing there's hope and the weight starts coming off, As crazy as it is, the diet, the lifestyle, the nutrition, all that starts to fall in line more and more.

Speaker 3 And then they get a win on the board and now they're the guy who's going to the gym three days a week and that's the benefit of SSRIs too for some people yeah for some people and for Ari that was the benefit of him he was really depressed it was really bad and I think it had something to do with taking DHT blockers so he was taking whatever the fuck that stuff is for your hair what's that stuff called yeah propecia propesia he was taking that can really fuck up your lungs yeah some people it and it wrecked him it wrecked him it got him very depressed but the ssris helped him get over the hump and he eventually got off of him and when his life is doing better, what a shock.

Speaker 3 He feels better. He's happy.
His career is doing great. He's fucking not depressed anymore.
Oh, crazy. They're all related.

Speaker 3 People try to tell you that your life sucking has no bearing on the level of depression that you have. Well, that's crazy.
Yeah. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 Because there are people whose lives are seemingly on paper amazing and they're still depressed. But I guarantee you they probably have their priorities off.

Speaker 3 And I guarantee you they probably don't exercise. And if they do, it's some rare imbalance that some people do have.

Speaker 2 I can tell you, I mean, running businesses, of course, everyone has stress and anxiety. If I didn't do an ice bath or go do Muay Thai,

Speaker 2 if I take a week off, my anxiety is terrible.

Speaker 2 I mean, I would have almost crippling anxiety, but doing physical activity and doing hard things and doing the ice bath and doing the sauna and going through that method and that process,

Speaker 2 I mean, it helps me immensely.

Speaker 3 100%. You're used to a certain level of adversity.
And if you have no adversity, adversity is very difficult to handle.

Speaker 3 But if you give yourself voluntary adversity that far exceeds anything you're going to experience outside of that, you're way better at handling stuff.

Speaker 3 If your workouts are so fucking brutal, and I've seen you do Muay Thai, it's fucking hard, man.

Speaker 3 It's hard. It's exhausting.
And everything else seems easy. Because when you're on like round five and it's a five minute round and you're three and a half minutes in and he's trying to get you to

Speaker 3 he's trying to get you to do a switch kick over and over and over again your fucking heart is beating out of your chest you got to finish the round strong and when you're done when that bell goes off you're like oh my god like that feeling you don't get you don't get that in the day and you feel so much better and then after it's over but the feeling of of being exhausted pushing yourself that struggle is so much more intense than anything you experience other than a life or death confrontation in your day yeah just just even conquering going there.

Speaker 2 Like there's so many days I'm driving and I go, why the fuck am I doing that?

Speaker 3 All right, let's go to Starbucks, get one of those crappuccinos again, go back to my old life.

Speaker 2 Life was fun being fat.

Speaker 3 It was easy.

Speaker 2 This is not, I don't want to go get the shit beat out of me and work my ass off for an hour, but every time you leave, even no matter what, I'm like, oh, thank God I did that.

Speaker 3 Every time I get out of that stupid ice bath, I feel like that. Every time I go in, I don't want to do it.
I know I'm going to go in it because there's two people in my head.

Speaker 3 There's the general and there's the pussy. And

Speaker 3 the pussy is like, don't do it. Don't make me do that for three minutes.
Don't make me get in there.

Speaker 3 And the general's like, shut the fuck up, bitch. You know you're going to do it.
So stop with all these thoughts. Just put the lid up.

Speaker 2 That one's one I still, to this day, I do it. I hate it every time.
I hate it every time. I still have not.
There's never a day where I'm like, this is going to be easy.

Speaker 3 That's the good thing, though. That's your win.
That's your win of the day that you did that. You need those little wins, just like we were talking about with Ozempic.

Speaker 3 You need to get one on the board. You know, and getting one on the board any way you can, completing a workout, write it down, complete it.
You got one on the board, you've got a win for the day.

Speaker 3 That's real. It seems like it's not, but it's real.
That's why the belt system works in martial arts, right? You get a blue belt, you're like, oh, I got a blue belt.

Speaker 3 Holy shit, I'm not a white belt anymore. I'm gonna get a purple belt.
And it incentivizes you. Human beings are subject to that.

Speaker 2 You're nailing it. This is my point with the AI.
I want to gamify it, and I want healthcare to be fun. Yes.
I want people to know that they're challenging their friends. We're rising together.

Speaker 2 Joe, you're a pussy. You only worked out 30 minutes today.
Your dex is at this. My overall mortality risk is improving.
Yours isn't. Like, how do we make it fun? And you can choose what to share.

Speaker 3 Kind of like what Whoop does. Well, what you do with Tim Kennedy and the,

Speaker 3 what is that?

Speaker 2 I watch his MyZone.

Speaker 2 I watch what Tim does every day. And I'm like, if I can just get close to what Tim did, I will feel great about myself.
So I try to beat. his workouts or Juan from On It Jim has his on there too.

Speaker 2 And I'll just try and beat those guys' workouts on those days. days.

Speaker 3 It's funny because people will say that that's an addictive thing, which is really interesting.

Speaker 3 Because one of the things that people talk about with addictions that people are struggling with today, one of them is fitness apps. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, geez, isn't that like the greatest addiction of all time? Like, yeah, you can go off the rails. You can get a little crazy, but isn't it the greatest?

Speaker 2 Well, how many, I think with addicts, they have them.

Speaker 2 One is finding religion and a higher calling and giving up to a higher power. But the other thing I've seen is, candidly, a lot of times they trade addiction.

Speaker 2 And they get really big into CrossFit or Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 3 Yeah, or jiu-jitsu. And it's a healthy

Speaker 3 addiction. Exactly.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 2 It's a better alternative than drowning your sorrows in a bottle.

Speaker 3 Well, that's also the same pathways of the mind that lead you to negative addictions lead you to positive addictions.

Speaker 3 It's just about, it's about channeling that kind of energy into something positive.

Speaker 3 I am 100% an addict, but I have figured out a way to be addicted to all things that are really good, that I love.

Speaker 3 that's the way to try to live your life. It's just try to funnel that, whatever that focus is, that leads you to want to shoot heroin.
And this is also works the other way, too.

Speaker 3 And there was a guy that I know that was a world championship caliber pool player and wouldn't drink, wouldn't smoke, just drank water, super clean and healthy.

Speaker 3 And he was one of the top pool players in the world. And he was winning tournaments and gambling and winning a lot of money.
And he was like rock solid.

Speaker 3 This guy was, he was, he would hold down the cash. You know, like, if you bet on that guy, you had a really good chance of winning.
He would win by, he would not choke ever. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He got in a car accident and he hurt his back.

Speaker 3 And the same thing that got that guy addicted to pool got him addicted to pills.

Speaker 3 He couldn't stop taking pills, man. He, that weird pathway.
And my friend Tommy put it this way.

Speaker 3 He's like, the same thing that got him addicted to, he called it the same thing that got him addicted to pool got him addicted to pills. It's like this obsession.

Speaker 3 So he found this thing that gave him relief from the pain and then he became obsessed with getting more of them and then one day died. You know what I mean? He died young.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And this was a guy you would never have predicted that. And that's what's so insidious about what the Sackler family did.

Speaker 3 That's what's so insidious about the opioid crisis is that you can get good people. And everybody wants to say that wouldn't happen to me.
I'm too, I'm mentally strong. That's nonsense.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you, this guy was as mentally strong as you get. Some people just get got.
It gets them, especially if you're in pain.

Speaker 3 Especially if you're one of those people that doesn't tolerate pain very well. Some people just, I don't know if they feel it different.
I think they feel it different. I think that's the only thing.

Speaker 3 I think just like hot sauce tastes different to some folks. I think some people feel pain different.

Speaker 3 And, you know, one of the reasons I thought this is my mom got an injection in her knee and she didn't even flinch.

Speaker 3 They stuck this giant ass needle in my mom's knee and plunged it in there and she didn't even flinch. And the doctor's like, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 This fucking 70-year-old lady didn't flinch. And I was like, that's where I get it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it has a high pain threshold. It has to be from, I think it's a genetic thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I used to think that it was from being hurt all the time in martial arts.

Speaker 2 When I owned a toxicology, I was in the toxicology lab and the non-abusive stuff after my brother passed from opioids and I was trying to educate clinicians on that.

Speaker 2 One of the things I did was hire an expert, Dr.

Speaker 2 Bill Massey, and he came in and he sat on Obama's opioid abuse campaign committee and was he was helping guide me on what makes sense and how do we do this.

Speaker 2 But one of the things he shared with me that was wild was this study that he did for Obama with rhesus monkeys, where they gave one set of rhesus monkeys

Speaker 2 basically a cage with metal and no no warmth, no interaction with other monkeys. They got water and food, but at erratic times, there was no consistency in that monkey's life.

Speaker 2 Then they took another subset of rhesus monkeys where they gave them warmth, shelter, let them stay with their family for the right amount of time till they reached maturity.

Speaker 2 And what they found is when they introduced drug, heroin heroin and cocaine to these monkeys, disproportionately the monkeys that were deprived died and OD'd.

Speaker 2 Whereas the monkeys that had that love and affection and warmth and comfort and essential needs met died at a much lower rate. Most of them actually survived.

Speaker 2 And he was breaking down that if you grow up in an environment with minimal dopamine response, when you light up that dopamine, Maybe it's a boxing match, right?

Speaker 2 You're a kid who's been poor and you get in that boxing match, you knock a guy out, and you're alive.

Speaker 3 You're hooked. Like, this is it.

Speaker 2 This is the best I've felt. Everyone's cheering me on.

Speaker 2 For some people, unfortunately, what they find first is a drug or an alcohol or a substance.

Speaker 2 But that same person could be.

Speaker 2 The future Albert Einstein, the future Muhammad Ali, the future, you know, whatever it may be. Insert here, they have that ability.
It's just, can we give them a shot?

Speaker 2 Can we buy them the time and get them out of this? Because I've seen a lot of people beat drug addiction, but I've unfortunately lost a lot of people to it, too.

Speaker 3 They did it with rats, too. They did a very similar thing.
They did a rat park. And so they had the rats in the cage and the rats, I think it was heroin that they used.
See if you can find what

Speaker 3 the rat park study was. Very similar type study.
And they did another study where they had this enormous cage where the rats could run around. They had toys, things for them to do.

Speaker 3 And they didn't just do drugs until they died. They just went and had a party and lived like normal rats.
Yeah. Which is like just like all mammals, all humans.

Speaker 3 We have these reward systems that are built into us. Heroin or cocaine-laced rats.
Oh, here it is. Alexander's experience in the 70s had come to be called Rat Park.

Speaker 3 Researchers had already proved that when rats were placed in a cage all alone with no other community of rats and offered two water bottles, one filled with water, the other filled with heroin or cocaine, the rats would repetitively drink from the drug-laced bottles until they overdosed and died.

Speaker 3 Like pigeons pressing a pleasure lever, they were relentless until their bodies and brains were overcome and they died.

Speaker 3 But Alexander wondered, is it about the drug or might be related to the setting that they were in? To test his hypothesis, he put in rat parks. Whoops.

Speaker 3 Fucking pop-ups.

Speaker 3 He put in rat parks where they were among others and free to roam and play, socialize, and to have sex. And they were given the same access to two types of drug-laced bottles.

Speaker 3 When inhabiting a rat park, they remarkably preferred the plain water. Even when they did imbibe from the drug-filled bottle, they did so intermittently, not obsessively, and never overdosed.

Speaker 3 A social community beat the power of drugs. And you got to wonder if that would be the case with human beings.

Speaker 3 You know, if everyone, I mean, it's not possible right now in the world that we live in, but if everyone had a productive, happy, healthy life and was raised in a positive environment, how much less drug abuse and drug addiction would we have?

Speaker 3 It's a good question because if it really is this horrible childhood that is causing a lot of people to seek these things out that's but that's not my friend my friend who got addicted he wasn't it wasn't from abuse like that it's talking about normal family everything is fine it was him dealing with pain and back pain is some of the worst pain it's fucking debilitating i mean i've known multiple friends who've had back surgeries and when they're when they're in pain it's just like it takes over everything like i've had knee surgery and you can kind of deal with knee pain it's like yeah, it sucks, but it's going to get better.

Speaker 3 It'll be okay. But it's not your whole system.
It's just your knee. The back feels like your whole being is hurt.
Yeah. That's it's a particular type of pain that people want relief from.

Speaker 2 My buddy's dad has been in the hospital, in and out of the hospital. He's in his 80s now

Speaker 2 and he used to go on the elk hunts with us and everything. He was a coach.

Speaker 2 They had him loaded up on pain meds and everything was starting to fail. He had been in the hospital for months.
They were about to move him to hospice. And my buddy said, we're done.

Speaker 2 I don't want any more pain meds. And he talked to his dad and he said, dad, can you survive without the pain meds? And he didn't think he could.
And he battled, like feeling terrible, everything.

Speaker 2 Long story short, he went from they were going to put him in hospice because his kidneys and organs and all this were failing to he drove a car last week. Right.
He's out of the hospital.

Speaker 2 He's in his 80s. He's driving his truck again.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I want to be on the road with that guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's all those pain meds were poisoning his brain, his body. Of course.
His organs were shutting down because they were just pushing more and more and more.

Speaker 2 And I don't want to be too sinister, but there's a lot of money in keeping somebody in a hospital and billing that insurance company during those timeframes and then moving them over.

Speaker 2 You know, I stood in surgeries where I watched them do neurosurgeries on people they knew were going to die, but they could bill them $800,000 and collect the insurance payment.

Speaker 2 And so the hospital's going to do the surgery.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 God.

Speaker 3 That's such a horrible thing to hear. Do a surgery on someone who you know is going to die just to make the money off of it.

Speaker 2 It's just because our incentive systems are flawed, like what you were talking about earlier. If

Speaker 2 dopamine wins like reward systems, if we build a reward system based off money and numbers and finances, we shouldn't be shocked when we have killer earnings and really bad health outcomes.

Speaker 3 It's the same with everything in the human race. Whenever it's incentivized by money, people don't go to what's best for people.
They go to what's going to make them the most money.

Speaker 3 And that's the weird world that we find ourselves in with people defending that because their ideology opposes the opposite.

Speaker 3 It's nuts. It's a weird, weird, weird fucking time.

Speaker 3 Listen, brother, I'm glad I met you. I'm glad you're out there.
I'm glad you can speak about these things the way you can with so much information.

Speaker 3 You're so knowledgeable about it, and you could pull it up at any moment. And

Speaker 3 it's a daunting task that you have, but I think your message has changed a lot of people's lives. I really do.

Speaker 3 I think there's a lot of people that recognize that between you and all these other people in the space, Peter Tia and Andrew Huberman and all these people, Dr.

Speaker 3 Rhonda Patrick, all these people talking about health and

Speaker 3 what you can do to improve and studies and all these things that you could do to change the path that you're on. I think

Speaker 3 it's affected countless lives.

Speaker 2 No, really, really. Thank you for giving me a voice and thank you for having me on here.
And also thank you to the U.S. Senate for being brave enough to let us sit there and hammer the U.S.

Speaker 2 government and critique them for their choices. And power to them for at least having the honesty and integrity to let us have an open forum.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, let's hope they keep doing it. And this Make America Healthy Again idea is one of the most promising political ideas I've heard in a long time because

Speaker 3 it's long overdue. Like there was a long time where they were denying that cigarettes caused cancer.
They denied it as long as they could, and then eventually they couldn't deny it anymore.

Speaker 3 And I would hope that we would learn our lesson from all these other things they did.

Speaker 3 All these other things that they used to push, and now they realize they're dangerous, and they really regret that they did it, and people went along with it. Time has come.

Speaker 3 Time has come to change the way we approach food and health.

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thank you for having me, brother.
Thank you, Prayer. My pleasure.
Bye, everybody.