1229: Penis Enhancement | Skeptical Sunday

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Speaker 1 All right, today, whew, man, last week we talked about the penis. We talked about how penises have evolved and how we've understood them over time.

Speaker 1 We've talked about size, symbolism, significance, and today in part two, kinda, we're going to talk about the perils of the penis.

Speaker 1 That is to say, the pills, pumps, procedures, surgeries, lasers that are now being used to augment and beautify the penis, which is why one of our resident skeptics, Michael Birgilio, is back again to Tukuck.

Speaker 5 Penis Podcast Part 2.

Speaker 1 Because there's still so much to talk about, we needed two episodes to cover it.

Speaker 5 Penises are a big deal. People have been obsessed with them for a long time, Jordan.

Speaker 1 Yep, they've been drawing dicks on walls for literally thousands of years.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and it will never, ever stop.

Speaker 1 So if you haven't already, take a listen to part one because today is the sequel. Penises Part Do.
Harder, bigger, better looking. Which is actually how people usually describe me.

Speaker 1 Michael, give us the skinny on penis augmentation. Give it to us nice and straight.

Speaker 5 Yeah, sure. I'll be firm but effective.

Speaker 1 Yep, let's get right in there, Michael. Go in deep.
All right, we've hit the pun maximum on this episode in the first two minutes.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I can can apply for an extension.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, funny, because we're going to get to that too. And I think a lot of guys are interested in exactly that.

Speaker 5 Okay, fine. So harder, bigger, better looking.
Let's start with harder. So anyone with a penis, or anyone, actually, for that matter, would be familiar with the good old erection.

Speaker 1 Yes. Boners, woody's, hardons, stiffies, etc.

Speaker 5 Pillocks.

Speaker 1 What's a pillock?

Speaker 5 It's a 14th century term. Pillocock or pillock.
Do you remember your first pillocock, Jordan?

Speaker 1 Yes, I was watching the Jetsons, if I recall.

Speaker 5 Wow. So similar, because mine was The Muppet Show.

Speaker 1 Oh, Muppets, nice, okay.

Speaker 5 No, I was not attracted to the Muppets themselves.

Speaker 5 In fact, Deborah Harry was on the episode of The Muppet Show, and young Michael Regilio learned what it felt like to be infatuated and physically attracted to somebody all at the same time.

Speaker 5 Girls went from yucky to goddesses on Earth in that one episode.

Speaker 1 That'll do it to you. You remember how old you were?

Speaker 5 I gotta say, maybe 10 or 11.

Speaker 1 Probably the same for me. Actually, I think maybe I was a bit younger.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, that's average. Technically, boys can get a stiffy at any age.
Normal stuff happens all the time, but for the most part, it starts really popping at puberty.

Speaker 1 I remember when I got my first one, I didn't, obviously, I didn't quite understand what was going on.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, you weren't alone.

Speaker 5 For centuries, we misunderstood what was happening down there, but now we've come to understand the erection as a physiological process involving neural, vascular, and psychological interactions, a process required for penetration and sexual intercourse.

Speaker 1 Or a good time all by yourself, as the case may be, and was for years and years.

Speaker 5 That is absolutely true. On a basic level, look, blood flows into the trabicular arteries and smooth muscle of the penis.

Speaker 5 But like I said, as with most things that have to do with the human body, humans didn't really understand the physiology of erections for a long time.

Speaker 1 I'm imagining all kinds of ideas and how it worked.

Speaker 1 You know, those old da Vinci drawings where it's like a helicopter and there's like the Italian written in brown on, I don't know, papyrus or whatever, parchment paper.

Speaker 1 That's kind of, I'm imagining a dick diagram with that stuff written on it in Latin.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, there were, in fact, all kinds of ideas on how erections happened, dating back to ancient times. Hippocrates, circa the 5th century BC, stated it was vital spirits flowing into the penis.

Speaker 5 He believed like essentially there were fine cords like pulleys connecting the testes to the penis that made it all happen.

Speaker 1 See, that's what I'm talking about. A diagram with pulleys connected to the testes.
So a boner is when ghosts pull cords in your nuts. Got it.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Look, the fact of the matter is this whole being an evolved ape with a big brain and trying to figure out the natural world that created us has meant lots of crazy guesses.

Speaker 5 Later, in antiquity, a guy named Galen considered it to be the result of air.

Speaker 1 Like blowing up a balloon, so blimp dick, basically.

Speaker 5 Yes, basically. And it wasn't until Leonardo da Vinci that we concluded that erections are, in essence, caused by blood.

Speaker 5 Then a guy by the name of Vought Heller in the 18th century explained that the nervous system is also involved.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's oversimplifying it to just say blood flow, though, because if I know anything about hardons, it takes a village to raise a tent.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're right about that, Jordan. We've begun to understand that on a base level, it's blood flowing into areas of the penis, but there's also a lot more at play.

Speaker 5 Psychology, stress, testosterone, alcohol. Definitely a factor.

Speaker 1 A little whiskey dick.

Speaker 5 Hey, that's a little lowbrow. I prefer to say a Rye Richard.

Speaker 1 I am definitely using that.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Either way, it's a thing, but it's not just getting too drunk that can cause issues in the tissues down there.

Speaker 1 Are we talking about erectile dysfunction?

Speaker 5 Yes, or ED, as it's often referred to now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's also, well, actually, let's skip listing all the slang terms for that one.

Speaker 5 For Memorial Day?

Speaker 1 Yes, the old flag at half-mass joke. Yeah, just what I was trying to avoid.
So let's stick with E.D. because we don't have all day.

Speaker 1 I'm guessing the name for it might be kind of new, but this condition has to have been around since forever, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, of course. All the way back to the 8th century BC India, within the Samhita Shashutra text, there is a reference to the condition and possible causes.

Speaker 1 Yes, like ghosts pulling cords or not pulling cords, failing to pull cords, I suppose.

Speaker 5 Yeah, sure. You'd be surprised how many times I found references to witches being responsible for ED in these old books.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so as usual, blame the woman.

Speaker 1 You know what? It might be the hat. I can't get it up when you're wearing that hat.
And my broomstick is intimidated by your broomstick.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of unsexy things about witches, so maybe they're not completely off base there.

Speaker 5 Well, equally as unsexy or as horrible were oftentimes the remedies that people came up with. Stuff like eating the testes of a goat.
Ooh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. Us apes are making up some crazy stuff.
That's really, really, that just makes my stomach turn.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, we're still making up wild guesses as we will get into.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking there were endless remedies popping up in ancient times. Don't we still have a bunch of that? I know there's like all these kind of weird Chinese things, for example.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. In the Middle East, it was rubbing your organ with jasmine oil.
Romans would wear talisman of goat genitalia or drink hawk semen.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, first of all, rubbing your genitalia with any kind of oil probably does work, but there's so much to be weirded out here, but fine. I'll start here.
Hawk jizz.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Hawk jizz.
That was a big one. In ancient China, it was ginseng or honic goat weed.
In Africa, the Zulu have used roots of erirosima plant.

Speaker 1 The list probably goes on and on, I would imagine. There's got to be just a zillion of these wives tale, folk remedies.

Speaker 5 Absolutely. It's been going on for thousands of years.
Humans have been coming up with all sorts of remedies for a flaccid fun stick. In the 18th century, it was tepid bass.

Speaker 5 Later in the 19th century, it was electric stimulation okay well you cannot just breeze by electric stimulation also can i find that on amazon almost certainly and something told me you'd want me to clarify the electric stimulation yes first off it's actually still used today by actual experts it's called targeted electrical stimulation and it can be effective particularly when the cause of ed is neurogenic, that is to say nerve-related.

Speaker 5 And I don't just mean like stage fright. I mean actually related to your nervous system.
More on that in a bit.

Speaker 5 Back in the 19th century, devices called electromassagers were promoted as cures for ED, and not necessarily by doctors. These machines were mostly pushed by quacks.

Speaker 1 Okay, so even in the 19th century, I'd imagine that doctors realized hooking your junk up to electricity willy-nilly was maybe not a good idea.

Speaker 5 Yes, harmful indeed. In fact, here's something I was surprised to learn.
Some of these cures for ED, we big brain monkeys came up with, were and very harmful to the environment and certain species.

Speaker 5 For example, eating the penises of tigers was floated as a cure for ED.

Speaker 1 I'm going to guess that's not good for tigers or the tiger population at large when you're cutting off their dicks.

Speaker 5 No, it was not good for tigers, nor was it good for seahorses, seals, turtles, rhinos, all the animals that were hunted so dudes could get hard.

Speaker 1 Yikes. Well, luckily we invented Viagra, right? So that's not...
peeled off of a seal.

Speaker 5 Right. Actually, this is so interesting.
There's actually research suggesting that the rise of Viagra could be acting to help these endangered species and plants.

Speaker 5 The data is suggestive at this point, but promising nonetheless.

Speaker 1 So let's save the tigers and rhinos, folks. Yeah.
Wow. Viagra being a game changer.
I would like to talk about that.

Speaker 5 Well, it was like many drugs invented by accident.

Speaker 1 I heard this, I think, right? It was supposed to be some kind of heart thing and it ended up as something else.

Speaker 5 Yes, you're exactly right. Back in the 1980s, scientists at Pfizer were trying to come up with a treatment for angina.

Speaker 1 Which his chest pain, you perverts. Yeah.
Just for the record here.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 5 Caused by reduced blood flow to the heart. So Pfizer was developing a drug called soldenophil to treat this condition.

Speaker 5 The drug didn't actually do so well in regards to heart conditions during clinical trials. It...

Speaker 1 Yeah, did something else.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it improved erections.

Speaker 1 So, okay, good. The story has a happy ending.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Once they saw the potential, Pfizer shifted focus.
Then in 1998, Viagra became the first oral treatment for erectile dysfunction approved by the FDA.

Speaker 1 Damn, it's groundbreaking. I mean, I know we're making a joke out of all this stuff, but that it really is amazing.

Speaker 1 As a guy over 40, I'm like, okay, one day I'm going to need that, and it's not going to be so funny anymore.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, it was actually a huge moment in sexual medicine.

Speaker 1 I would imagine it's just a massive cash cow as well.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, when it launched, it had the fastest initial sales growth of any prescription product. By its second year on the market, the drug had surpassed a billion in in global sales.

Speaker 1 That's just hard cash. Line go up, along with the population of tigers and rhinos, I guess, as well.

Speaker 5 And other things went up as a result of Viagra as well. Okay, we get it.

Speaker 1 We get it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Sales were not flaccid. Okay.

Speaker 5 All right. I thought we hit the max, but apparently not.
Okay. It's estimated the global ED drug market is worth more than 3 billion nowadays.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.
So that would suggest that erectile dysfunction is fairly common then, because Viagra is not that expensive.

Speaker 5 Yes, it is, especially for men over 40, as you just said. It's estimated that between 30 to 50 million men in the U.S.
alone have ED,

Speaker 5 and there are a whole host of factors that contribute everything from anxiety, stress, depression to disease like diabetes and heart disease.

Speaker 1 Wow, wow. Smoking and alcohol use too, probably, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and let's not forget the latest thing to be added to the list, porn. Porn addiction.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we actually covered a bunch of the deleterious effects, which I love that word, of porn addiction in episode 986. And E.D.
was one of them.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of guys that can't get it up without porn. And, oh, man, there's something called death grip, which I'll let you Google and RIP your algorithm when you do.

Speaker 1 But yeah, a lot of porn causes a lot of problems.

Speaker 5 Really? Wow. I have not heard of death grip, so I'm going to be one of them.

Speaker 1 Let me explain what it is for those of you who don't want to Google it. Cause, you know, again, somebody might see that and you might be at work.
what this is is

Speaker 1 when you watch porn when people watch porn when guys watch porn i should say when this happens some guys i guess and i i'm not super familiar with the exact process here but they just start squeezing tighter and tighter over time because they can i guess or they like it more or they've desensitized the nerves in their penis or whatever and so their grip gets tighter and that's how they get off But that's a big problem when you are not using your own hand and you're using, you know, a woman's, your partner's vagina or or something after that, and it's not as tight as your super tight grip on your hand.

Speaker 1 So then you just can't have sex anymore because it doesn't feel like much. That's what death grip is.
And the, luckily, the treatment for that is stop watching porn, but it's not an instant fix.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, we're going to get into that too.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, tell me more about this.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I would hate it if the treatment for that would be to try and get a bigger dick so you can feel it again. No, no, wrong approach, guys, but that is what this episode is about.

Speaker 5 That is what this episode is about. But when it comes to erectile dysfunction, a lot of guys are getting what's called PIED, which is porn-induced erectile dysfunction.

Speaker 5 The reasons for PIED include anxiety because of unrealistic expectations about sex and body image, and porn reinforces all of these.

Speaker 1 Right. We talked about that last week in part one of this same topic, yeah.

Speaker 5 Right. But porn addiction can also lead to PIED due to dopamine dysregulation.
In other words, you've overstimulated the pleasure part of the brain to the point that it's depleted.

Speaker 5 But good news, as you said, if you've got PIED, there's a highly effective treatment. It's called the history channel or like literally anything that's not porn.
Simply put, watch something else.

Speaker 1 I'll quit tomorrow. I'll quit tomorrow.

Speaker 5 So back to good old non-porn induced ED. It's actually quite devastating.

Speaker 1 I can only imagine because I've looked this up, right? Cause I've got a lot of, I'm 45. A lot of my friends are starting to be like, hey, man,

Speaker 1 you know, and it causes low self-esteem, depression, problems in your relationship or marriage, obviously. Shame is a huge one.

Speaker 1 We've come a long way in reducing stigma, but it's definitely still there. And by the way, it's not just guys over 40.
I mean, there's guys in their 20s who are writing in and saying they have this.

Speaker 1 And a lot of it, of course, does have to do with porn and treating your body like absolute crap. But it's a shame.
This is super widespread.

Speaker 5 It's scary. But like I said, a little good news is definitely become a more acceptable topic to talk about, which is good.

Speaker 5 There are ads out there now for treatments, specifically the pills that we're talking about now, that you just didn't see back in the decades past.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't. I remember a commercial with, I think it was Bob Dole in it and some folks, they're old folks, you know, holding hands and frolicking around, but it's not what it is today.

Speaker 5 No, it's become very mainstream, even in the sense that some of these products aren't specifically marketed for dysfunction anymore, but just to improve. improve performance.

Speaker 1 Yep, yep. Go all night, man.
You know, you see that stuff at the gas station or whatever. By the way, don't take that stuff, but that's a sneak preview of what's to come.

Speaker 5 Oh, we will definitely get into that. But guys are using Viagra for like the go all night porn star thing as well.
Look, they don't just go all night, they go into the next morning.

Speaker 5 That's why you said you're 45. One of the nice things about being old for me at this point is the beauty of the once-a-night, seven minutes of love followed by hours of catching up on Netflix.

Speaker 1 I mean, once a night, I think for a lot of guys, even in their 20s and 30s, sounds pretty good. Look, thankfully, I'm not there just yet in terms of the Netflix consumption.

Speaker 1 So what are the dangers, if any, of taking Viagra or other forms of the pill? Are there drawbacks to this whole thing? Because it is a drug.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, of course, you need to be careful if you have low blood pressure or cardiovascular disease. Avoid it if you're taking nitrates.

Speaker 5 You should always consult a physician who knows your medical situation before taking it.

Speaker 5 But most of the side effects are pretty minor, like headaches, heartburn, diarrhea, aches, sensitivity to light.

Speaker 1 I mean, the FDA approved the drug decades ago, so I'm guessing it's not killing too many people, right? Because it's not exactly a must-have for most folks. It's still in the market.
No.

Speaker 5 Viagra, as it turns out, is very much a safe and effective way of treating erectile dysfunction, as are other brands that use sildenophil, like sialis.

Speaker 5 There's also options like implants, low-intensity shock waves, gels, each with their own efficacy and risks involved as well.

Speaker 1 I am not sure that I've heard about the gels. I kind of want to hear about all this stuff, but gels?

Speaker 5 Yeah, oh, that would be because they're not widely used in the United States due to a lack of data on the effectiveness. Okay.

Speaker 5 In a nutshell, they use a drug like alprostatil, which one applies directly to the penis. This can dilate blood vessels, increasing blood flow, hence increasing the erection.

Speaker 1 That's kind of nice sounding. Most guys are familiar with rubbing a little lotion down there anyway.
Conversely, most guys, I don't think, are familiar with, what was it, low-intensity shockwaves?

Speaker 5 That sounds like a sound. Yeah, I was surprised.
I was learning about that one as well. Low-intensity shockwaves.

Speaker 5 Basically, it's a non-invasive treatment for ED that uses acoustic waves pumped directly into the penis. This promotes the growth of new blood vessels and can even repair the damage of old ones.

Speaker 5 Again, it's about blood flow. Get it flowing.

Speaker 1 Get a boner. Wait, hold the phone.
So acoustic waves. That is sound waves.
That's what that means. So could I get the same effect by shouting at my penis? Because I already do that.

Speaker 5 Look, it's not just shouting. They are specifically focused, low-energy acoustic waves.
So no, shouting's not going to work.

Speaker 1 My sound engineer, Jace Sanderson, is going to edit this, and I guarantee you, he's like, wait a minute, we didn't learn this in school. So Jace, if you have any comments on this man, I'm all ears.

Speaker 1 He's got all this vintage sound gear and something tells me that after this episode, he might end up with some other sound gear. I don't know.
I'm curious. Let us know, buddy.
Don't hold out on us.

Speaker 1 Don't hold out on this. All right.
So tell me about the implants you mentioned because I've heard of these two.

Speaker 1 And I've, in my research for this episode, they kind of came up, but it was always like a naked old guy. And I was like, yeah, this doesn't apply to me.

Speaker 1 Whenever a website has a naked old guy in the cover, I kind of just.

Speaker 5 Some of this stuff is absolutely fascinating. Let's start with the one that treats erectile dysfunction.

Speaker 5 You remember the guy that you asked about, a second-century guy named Galen, who considered erections to be a result of air?

Speaker 1 Yes, the balloon guy.

Speaker 5 Right. Well, perhaps Galen was a bit prophetic because these implants are, in fact, inflatable implants that give a gentleman an erection.

Speaker 1 Really? So, again, it's like a balloon. It's a blimptic.

Speaker 5 You could say it's more complex than that, but yeah, it's like a balloon. Perhaps a water balloon in this case, but a balloon nonetheless.

Speaker 5 The implant consists of two cylinders placed into the penis, and then a small fluid reservoir placed into the abdomen and a pump placed into the scrotum.

Speaker 1 Hang on. This is kind of blowing my mind.
So to get an erection, one grabs his scrotum and pumps. This is like Reeboks from 1989.
You remember those?

Speaker 1 Yes. With the little thing, the basketball on the tongue? This is what that sounds like.
You just squeeze one of your nuts and your penis pops up. This is something straight out of Austin Powers.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, look, we all know that under normal circumstances, it's unthinkable that you grab your ball sack and squeeze really hard. But never.

Speaker 5 I think watched a few videos illustrating how this works. It's actually pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Galen would be proud. Wow, this is crazy.
I just cannot.

Speaker 1 Such a funny visual.

Speaker 5 Oh my God. You have no idea how many videos of this I've watched.

Speaker 1 I can only imagine.

Speaker 5 And you were right. It's almost always some old guy inflating his penis by pumping his...
Anyway, enough said. People can watch the videos if they choose.

Speaker 5 Okay, so for the last option, I save the best for last, and that is, of course, Botox injected into the penis can help with ED, which kind of blows my mind since what I understood about Botox was that it relaxed muscles, which is why it reduces wrinkles.

Speaker 5 And I would have assumed you wouldn't want to relax your penis muscles to gain an erection. I would think you'd want...
all of them firing on all cylinders.

Speaker 5 But as it turns out, Botox injected into the corpus cavernosum of the penis, which are the two columns of spongy tissue responsible for achieving erections.

Speaker 5 Relaxing the muscles allows more blood to flow in. And as we've established, we already said it, blood is the name of the game.
More blood, more boner.

Speaker 1 So Bocox.

Speaker 1 Bocox, eh? Yeah. Turns out I've got a heck of a story for you.

Speaker 1 So actually, in my research for this episode, and usually I don't research these episodes, usually the correspondent always does, but this one was particularly interesting for me.

Speaker 1 So I did some research on this and I met up with one Dr. Joel Pash out of a clinic in San Francisco called Upsize.

Speaker 1 And when I went in to ask questions of him, because I wanted to see this place for myself, I asked him about Botox. They do call it Bocox.
And he was like, yeah, you want to try it?

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't know. How much is it? He's like, ah, don't worry about it.
So I basically got Bocox on the house. Yes.
I did get an injection into my wiener for this podcast.

Speaker 1 And yes, I warned you all last week that you were going to get too much information about my personal equipment on this episode. And I probably should have warned people at the top of the show.

Speaker 1 But here we are. So basically he ties a little tourniquet around it, you know, because you don't want the Botox to go back into your body and just get it kind of excreted because it just gets wasted.

Speaker 1 And then there's a little tiny prick in your little tiny prick.

Speaker 5 And then

Speaker 1 you wait 20 minutes to make sure that, I don't know, something bad doesn't happen and also that it goes around and the tourniquet comes off. And you just kind of sit there and chat.

Speaker 1 which is what we did. And I took notes for the episode.

Speaker 1 And then he takes the tourniquet off and he's like, all right, in three or four weeks, you should see a difference, which is really hard to measure because like, how are you going to know when it kicks in and yada, yada?

Speaker 1 And I don't have ED and I didn't before or anything. So I don't really know if it did anything.
But basically, I did that for this podcast.

Speaker 5 Wow. Jordan Harbinger going the extra, I was going to say mile, but I guess in this case, the extra inch for the podcast.

Speaker 1 Yes. Never let it be said that I don't go the extra centimeter in this case, maybe, for the audience.

Speaker 1 I think it's safe to say that there are options available, but it really consults a medical professional first because again, I didn't start with the condition that this is meant to treat.

Speaker 1 And what it's supposed to do, what Bocox supposedly does is it relaxes some stuff and you gain like a centimeter of length, which is, you know, not a ton. And then also it.

Speaker 1 supposedly results in harder erections. But like, you know, jury's still out, sample size of one and I, I, you know, placebo effect is a thing, et cetera.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, I mean, look, the fact of the matter is just people should feel comfortable discussing this topic with their doctor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sexual health is health, folks, especially when we're in the middle age. Like, it's important.
Don't let stuff like this go.

Speaker 5 Yeah, look, we're being lighthearted about it today, but if any listeners out there are experiencing erectile dysfunction and stats suggests that some of them probably are, you're not alone.

Speaker 5 And there are ways to treat this condition.

Speaker 1 No shame, no stigma. It's 2025, folks.
Get it handled.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So, okay, we've talked about getting hard. We've talked about staying hard.

Speaker 1 Let's move on to what people, what the, let's give them what they've all been waiting for in the next topic on this penis podcast, which is enlargement.

Speaker 5 Yeah, from harder to bigger.

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Speaker 1 I am assuming that trying to make your penis bigger also goes way back to essentially prehistoric times. By the way, this seems like a good spot.

Speaker 1 to point out that there is a right way and a wrong way to measure your penis.

Speaker 1 And this may be the strangest skill ever taught on the Jordan Harbinger show, but there's something, and you can look this up, and I encourage you to do so.

Speaker 1 There's something called bone-pressed measurements.

Speaker 1 So basically, there's a fat pad above the top of your penis, and you push a ruler into that until it hits bone, not like until it's crazy, painful, or bleeding, obviously, but you push that in there through the fat pad, and then you stretch your flaccid penis all the way as far as it'll go comfortably.

Speaker 1 And that's how you measure it. So everybody thinks you just kind of like hold a ruler up next to your erect dong, and that's not how you do it.

Speaker 1 If you're measuring yourself that way and you're like, oh, no, I'm below average, or I'm average or whatever, try the bone press method and look for instructions online and you might be surprised because that's how the studies do it.

Speaker 1 And you got to be careful because I think a lot of, there's a lot of guys that measure and they go, oh, it's not as up to snuff or it's not as big as this. And they're comparing apples to oranges.

Speaker 1 And then for the girth, you use Taylor's tape, which is a flexible measuring tape. And you just wrap it around the midshaft of your erect, you know what? And there you have it.

Speaker 1 So I don't really know why I felt compelled to tell people this, but I was doing so much research on this and I found that so many guys are so insecure about this.

Speaker 1 And a lot of it is because they don't know how to measure it.

Speaker 1 So they're measuring in a way that automatically takes away like half an inch or an inch, which is, you know, not a good way to compete in this particular arena.

Speaker 5 Interesting. I will say that it's surprising when I've told people that I was researching this episode, the number of people that just voluntarily tell me what they measured.

Speaker 5 Most of them are like, well, when I was in eighth grade or in high school, I measured it and it was. But I'm always like, okay,

Speaker 5 I know you. We're friends.
You don't have to tell me, but okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why are they doing that? I would never volunteer that information. That's just such a weird thing to tell someone.
Like, by the way, I have a massive dog.

Speaker 1 Like, even if you have a giant one, why would you, why are you telling people?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's just weird.

Speaker 5 That's a weird share. It used to be private.
Nowadays, as we know, the young people are a little more free with not just the talk, but the photos of anyway. That's it.

Speaker 5 That actually gets into just a little side note here that I wanted to bring up. And that is that stereotypes about certain groups of people and their penis size are actually harmful.
That's right.

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No,

Speaker 1 the stereotypes thing is important. It is actually something I came across in my research many times, and there's a lot of misinformation out there.
Holy smokes.

Speaker 1 I want to point out that the stereotype specifically about African-American men having giant dongs, that is damaging, as well as any stereotypes you might have heard about other groups with smaller penises.

Speaker 1 This is mostly false. Like clinical data, the differences are almost just minuscule, really.
And the stereotype leads to more African-American men seeking enhancement at far higher rates.

Speaker 1 And you can ask any sort of dick doctor about this as well, because they think they have to fulfill the stereotype. And as you'll hear in a moment, most enhancement is very dangerous.

Speaker 1 It's super expensive. It's easy to overdo.
And the stereotypes, they don't come from a good place. This is, did you look at this up at all, Regilio?

Speaker 5 I did. Let's just say that most of these stereotypes about African-American men are coming from America's racist past.
Like, you don't want to associate with that, folks.

Speaker 1 Just let it go. No, and speaking of the past, I'm guessing there were attempts way back in the day to increase penis size.
And I want to get back to that. Okay.

Speaker 1 What were they doing back then?

Speaker 1 More hawk jes?

Speaker 5 I didn't come across any more hawk jes to make you bigger, but I did come across snake bites. Poisonous snake bites.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, stop. And by stop, I mean go on.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Okay, full disclosure.
This one is possibly slash probably just a myth, but damn, it is a persistent myth that's been around for a long time. And the myth is this.

Speaker 5 They say that the tribes of Brazil employed the venom of snakes.

Speaker 5 They would get a snake to bite them down there on the shaft of their penis, which obviously caused a significant amount of pain, but hypothetically, all the swelling.

Speaker 5 would cause a significant increase in the size of their member.

Speaker 1 I am going to call BS on that one. I mean, maybe, okay, maybe it worked, but one, the gains of a snake bite, I'm going to imagine are temporary.

Speaker 1 And two, who in their right mind would allow this to happen? One, you got a snake clamped on your penis. I can't imagine that's good for your sex life.
How do you get the thing off? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And two, like there's necrosis and infection, all kinds of, there's,

Speaker 1 I just don't believe this one.

Speaker 5 I think that's it. But it's, it's, when you do this research, it's out there.
It was out there enough that I thought it was worth mentioning.

Speaker 5 But side note, when trying to verify any of these stories, but specifically this one, my Google search included the words penis and snake, which did show me a picture of an animal called the penis snake.

Speaker 5 And I can't unsee this thing.

Speaker 1 Okay, obviously I'm looking this up now. Damn, that is one aptly named snake.
Have you ever, by the way, have you ever seen a picture of a penis fish, by the way? It's so revolting.

Speaker 5 Damn it. All right.
I'll look this one up.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yep.

Speaker 5 That's disgusting.

Speaker 1 So it's so good.

Speaker 5 It says here it's actually not a fish at all, but a spoon worm.

Speaker 1 Even more gross. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 There's an article, a bunch of them washed up on a beach in California.

Speaker 5 That is not something I'd want to come in from a swim to find myself surrounded by.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, my God.
Gross.

Speaker 5 All right. Back to ancient penis enlargement.
In Egypt, they would hang weights from their penises. In fact, that method was prevalent in India, Africa, Peru.

Speaker 5 A lot of people hanging weights from their junk.

Speaker 1 Wow. I'm guessing oils, talismans, animal parts, all this other, the usual, right? Oh, they tried it all.

Speaker 5 Sex organs of goats again, dogs, bulls, deer, you name it. They were taking every animal's dick and balls and rubbing it on them,

Speaker 5 ingesting it.

Speaker 1 And this jelking thing that's all the rage now. Tell me about the jelking thing.
Have you heard about this? Surely you came across this.

Speaker 5 Oh, of course I came across it, and I had not heard about it previously.

Speaker 5 There's a lot going on with the young kids these days that I'm not hearing about, but jelking is a thing nowadays that the young guys are trying, And it's the use of squeezing exercises on a flaccid penis to stretch the skin and increase blood flow.

Speaker 5 It actually originated in early Arabia, but it's kind of having a big comeback. It's kind of in vogue.

Speaker 1 I see this everywhere online. So does this work? I'm, you know, asking for a friend.

Speaker 5 Yeah. No, there is no evidence suggested that it works.
Also, it might lead to scarring and pain. So I'd tell your friend to stay away.
It also leads to tissue discoloration.

Speaker 5 And a lot of guys who have done it for years note modest gains, but their dicks are, well, sometimes horrifically disfigured, just not worth it.

Speaker 5 As Jordan Harbinger likes to say, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Speaker 1 Oh, you had to, why did you use that right there? So, okay, some of these ancient practices are still being tried today. I know I see them on Reddit and stuff.

Speaker 1 But as we moved into modern times, humans have kept coming up with various ideas and contraptions, haven't they? I'm thinking of the...

Speaker 1 There's a penis pump, which we discussed in the last episode as it pertained to a temporary increase in size. But some say that that repeated use of the pump can actually lead to a permanent upsizing.

Speaker 1 But is that true? I don't know about that.

Speaker 5 No, pumps can help with ED, and that is a fact, but there is no evidence suggesting that they will make your penis permanently bigger. I see.
Same goes for what is called the vacuum treatment.

Speaker 5 Say, it's basically the same thing.

Speaker 1 I already know the answer to this, I think, but what about the pills? There are so many pills advertised out there for penis enlargement as well. There's no way, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, there are a bunch of pills out there and lotions, and none of them, none of them have have been proven to work. And most of them can be harmful.

Speaker 5 A common ingredient in these pills is, we've already mentioned this, and it's a strange name, so I'll say it again, horny goat weed.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's the second reference to horny goatweed. What is that? Is that a real weed? This is probably a dumb question.
Is that a real weed?

Speaker 5 Okay, it's an herbal supplement made from plants in the epimedium genus. It's widely used in traditional Chinese medicine.

Speaker 5 And if you heard our skeptical Sunday on traditional Chinese medicine, you won't be surprised to learn that there's very little science behind the claims made about traditional Chinese medicine.

Speaker 5 So I'm just going to say penis enlargement pills are bullshit and they can do real harm.

Speaker 5 The side effects from some of these pills can range from mood changes to hallucinations, low blood pressure, irregular heartbeat, even potentially increasing your risk of cancer.

Speaker 5 Don't take these pills.

Speaker 1 Okay, so penis enlargement pills, not a good idea. What else is out there? Give us some hope, man.
I mean, give someone who isn't me out there some hope.

Speaker 5 Well, obviously there's surgery, but surgery could be dangerous and have mixed results. Yeah.

Speaker 5 There is some research out there that suggests that traction devices and hyaluronic acid fillers might actually work.

Speaker 1 Okay, please explain. I'm all ears, as is every guy listening right now.
My ears are erect, Michael.

Speaker 5 Oh, you went for it. Okay, traction devices put tension on a flaccid penis.
You wear these devices for roughly six hours a day for about four months.

Speaker 5 According to one study, you can add an average of about 0.7 inches. Oh, that study uses the andropenis.

Speaker 5 Another study showed the effects of the golden erector extender, and they all had marginal little bits of success.

Speaker 1 This is so silly. This sounds like something you'd get in a vending machine.

Speaker 1 So that sounds kind of like hanging weights from your penis with extra steps, like the science version of tying weights around your dick. So that was an ancient cure for a small penis.

Speaker 1 Are you saying that this actually works? Because 0.7 inches is not nothing. It's not a ton, but it's not nothing.
Six hours a day for four months, though, that's a whoop who eight.

Speaker 1 Nobody got time for that.

Speaker 5 Oh man, holy moly. I really want that extra 0.7 inches.

Speaker 5 But look, I guess there were no clinical studies from back in the day when guys were hanging weights on their penises, but I guess, yeah, the reason it was all around in the ancient world is it must have worked a little bit.

Speaker 1 Is there a 2025 version? Because again, who the hell has time for this?

Speaker 5 Yes, if you don't have four full hours a day to stretch your penis, there is another device called the RestoreX, which was traditionally used to correct a condition called Pironi's disease, which is curvature of the wang, which we're going to get into.

Speaker 5 But supposedly if you wear that for about an hour a day, there claims to be some little improvement as well.

Speaker 1 Well, now that everybody works from home, maybe things are looking up. What about the filler, though? You said hyaluronic acid.
Isn't that kind of just like collagen or something?

Speaker 5 Hyaluronic acid, which to me sounds like something that goes in your car, but it's actually naturally occurring in the human body, and it is ejected into the shaft of the penis as a sort of filler.

Speaker 5 And it has been shown to be effective to enlarge the penis. Woohoo, finally watching.
Yeah, fine. Definitely works and doesn't take hours.
Just a needle in your penis.

Speaker 5 Actually effective to enlarge the penis. And by the way, we've been putting a lot of emphasis on length, but penises are three-dimensional, Jordan.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Groundbreaking. Continue.

Speaker 5 My point is simply length isn't everything. And injections are quite good at adding that other dimension, girth.

Speaker 1 Right. When it comes to satisfying a partner, girth is good.
Again, I hung out in one Dr.

Speaker 1 Joel Pash's office and I actually met, I didn't say this before, I met a bunch of repeat customers who were getting hyaluronic acid filler into their junk and they were all pretty stoked with it.

Speaker 1 Some people kind of acted like it was Christmas when they walked in. So it made the whole thing pretty tempting.

Speaker 1 Because I talked to a lot of these guys in the office and they were, you know, back for more.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, adding a little something to your average penis, which, by the way, average girth of an erect penis is 4.6 inches.

Speaker 1 I'm guessing that measurement is a little easier than measuring the length. You just need a tape measure in an erect penis.
You kind of know the drill. I explained it before.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And here's the good news.

Speaker 5 To add girth is highly effective, and the effects of injecting hyaluronic acid can last months or up to a year or even two years, depending on where they inject it and what type of filler.

Speaker 5 A girthy year, though. A girthy two years.
whether or not you even needed it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Dr.
Pash told me that it was something like 18 to 24 months before you really need to come in for a partial refill, essentially. It's not like it's gone after that.

Speaker 1 You just need a little top-up. But isn't girth even more important than length for women? Do we know anything about this? There have certainly, surely there have been studies on preference.

Speaker 5 There have been a lot of studies on it, but a lot of the studies are actually self-reported, and self-reporting isn't always that reliable. No.

Speaker 5 So, interestingly enough, one study took a slightly different approach to find out what women really like. What they did is they started looking at the top-selling dildos.

Speaker 5 Because let's face it, when you're buying a dildo, you can buy any size you like.

Speaker 1 Well, I've seen some serious doozies out there. I don't want to mention any brands, but they're a dragon dildos, sized appropriately or inappropriately.

Speaker 5 You actually may be surprised to find out, though, that the doozies that are out there are not the top sellers. Studies find that women generally prefer average length and average girth.

Speaker 5 So keep that in mind before you girth up.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Okay, full disclosure.

Speaker 1 Do I want to do this? Okay, I guess I do. I had a little filler added to my penis, but not for size.
The story,

Speaker 1 this is not a, this is not a, well, it was cosmetic. So what happened was when the Botox was going in, Dr.
Pash was like, you know, you have a dent here.

Speaker 1 And I was like, yeah, I've had it my whole life. And he's like, I can fill that thing up with like one little syringe.
And I was like, is that going to hurt? And he's like, a little tiny bit, maybe.

Speaker 1 And I was like, all right, fine. So again, another little prick and my little prick.
And boom, the dent is gone. And it wasn't a massive dent.

Speaker 1 It wasn't like something where people would go, holy crap, what's wrong with your wiener? It was just like, yeah, there's a little line here that looks like it could hold a pencil.

Speaker 1 I should have tried that before I filled it in. Anyway, yeah, so it really works.
I mean, I've seen before and after photos of the filler in Dr. Pash's office.
I talked to a lot of the patients in Dr.

Speaker 1 Pash's office, and I had the one, you know, half syringe or whatever dent filled on the right side there for symmetry's sake. And it's actually quite incredible.

Speaker 1 And again, some of the patients in the office, I can't believe I'm about to admit this. Some of the,

Speaker 1 we're already here. Yeah.
What's, what am I hiding at this point? Some of the patients were like, hey, you can watch this happen.

Speaker 1 And they basically showed me the equipment and the procedure that they were undergoing, which was kind of a funny, surreal moment for doing this show.

Speaker 1 And I got to say, I was this close to getting upsized myself. And let's just say I'm still on Dr.
Pasha's email list over at Upsize Clinic. I'll leave it to that.
But

Speaker 1 this was such a simple procedure. And it was like, whoa, that man just was upsized.
Like, I was a little bit

Speaker 1 envious when they were walking out of there with all that swag.

Speaker 5 Wait, just to be clear, you saw a a guy on his way in and on his way out?

Speaker 1 No, like he was like, come on in and look because I don't care. And I was like, you want me to just watch him do this? And I was, so I watched Dr.

Speaker 1 Pash basically, this guy just lays down, drops his drawers. Dr.
Pash puts a cannula, which is a not sharp needle. So they poke little holes for the lidocaine.
in the filler.

Speaker 1 So it, and you know, that probably feels a little bit like a shot. It's not a big deal.
The guy barely winced. And then they use a cannula, and that's like a dull pipe.

Speaker 1 So it doesn't poke through veins or anything important inside your dong. And the cannula goes underneath the skin and puts the filler in.
And the guy was just chatting away.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was not like, ah,

Speaker 1 like this really looked like a very simple, it was kind of like my female friends have seen him get Botox in their face and they're just sort of laying there and they're going, ding, ding, ding, done.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was, that's what it looked like, but on your Wang. And these guys, when they left, I was like, is that swelling? And he's like, no, that'll come later.

Speaker 1 And I was like, so his equipment is now actually that big? And he's like, yeah, I just, that was, it was kind of incredible. He trains other doctors and nurses to do this safely.

Speaker 1 It's a really cool dickness model.

Speaker 1 He's got like 23 doctors, 25 clinics in the U.S. and Canada.
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Speaker 1 I'm going to charge him for that slogan. I'm going to bring that to him.
Look, obviously, I'm a little biased. I like Dr.
Pash. I like his staff.

Speaker 1 And I was telling you offline before the show that I become friends with them because I spent a lot of time with them and researching this. And then we went shooting together.

Speaker 1 So, upsizeclinic.com, if you're interested in going to a real doctor who actually knows what they're doing and you don't want it to fall off later, because we're going to talk about horror stories, right?

Speaker 5 We got bad stuff that doesn't work, I hope. Okay, okay, cool.
And you are very wise to say go to a real doctor because we're going to get into the people that aren't going to real doctors.

Speaker 5 But as long as we're talking about filler, we might as well hit one other kind of filler, and that is fat injections, which can also be used to increase girth.

Speaker 1 That seems like a cool idea. So fat can make your penis fat.
That seems like a double wind, right? You take a little off the waist and you put it into the shaft.

Speaker 5 Is that how it goes? Yeah. Well, here's the problem.
Much like the Brazilian butt lift, which we discussed in the cosmetic surgery episode, the fat used is from your own body.

Speaker 5 So they remove fat from one place and add it to your penis, as you stated. But there's one problem.
Your body can reabsorb your own fat and you could end up with a lumpy, bumpy penis.

Speaker 1 Ooh, so to even out that lumpy penis, what, you probably need filler? Yeah. So it's starting to sound a little bit like it's come full circle and makes no sense, and it sounds like too much effort.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, we've said it before, and it bears repeating. Loving your penis as it is is still the best option.
But if you want to add some filler, I have to warn you against going to med spas.

Speaker 5 And this gets into what we just talked about with real doctors.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I, again, in researching this, I've seen a lot of places that offer filler injections, but only Dr.
Pasha's Pasha's clinic was the one that I found where a real doctor does this.

Speaker 1 And having this done by somebody who normally does Botox or like nails, that is really scary somehow.

Speaker 5 Yeah, obviously the number one risk is you're not going to an actual medical professional at these med spas, despite the word med being in the name.

Speaker 5 The employees in a med spa don't have as much training as a doctor and you run the risk, particularly with the injections.

Speaker 5 If done wrong, the injections run the risk of stuff like blocked blood vessels, nerve damage, and even you've already said the word once in this episode, necrosis.

Speaker 1 Yeah, tell us what necrosis is for people who don't know.

Speaker 5 Yeah, tissue death. It's tissue death.

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Speaker 1 Now for the rest of the skeptical Sunday, that's definitely going to get me in trouble.

Speaker 1 So this is one area, I mean, it's generally bad, but this is one area where I would say nobody should risk tissue death. Go to a real doctor.
Real doctors only. Okay, so those are injections.

Speaker 1 I want to talk about surgeries because I know there's surgeries that actually increase the size of the penis. There's a bunch of stuff, and most of it's a bad idea, probably.

Speaker 5 Well, there are surgeries that increase the size, kind of. That is to say, increase the size size some of the time.

Speaker 1 How can you sort of sometimes increase the size of a penis?

Speaker 5 Because we're talking penises here, Jordan. And as every guy knows, you don't just have one penis.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Are you talking about like summer dick and winter dick? I mean, what do you mean more than one penis?

Speaker 5 We all have two penises, and that is to say the flaccid penis and the erect penis, right? Two different things.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, I see your point. So you're saying surgery affects maybe just one and not the other?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 And as to ligamentolysis, which is one of the surgeries that we just mentioned, and this blew my mind as to why anyone would want this surgery, it only affects the length of the flaccid penis.

Speaker 5 Oh, I saw in some literature that it gives maybe the tiniest, slightest little increase to the size of the erect penis, but for the most part, this surgery is for showers, not for growers.

Speaker 5 Interesting.

Speaker 1 So, this is not even for the benefit of one's partner, but what's the point? Just strutting around the gym locker room? This is, that's ridiculous. Why would anybody want that?

Speaker 5 Look, as to why somebody would want the surgery, I'm not sure, but let's take a moment to discuss what this surgery actually is.

Speaker 5 So the suspensory ligament that attaches the penis to the pubic bone is severed, which then allows more of the shaft to hang outside the body.

Speaker 1 No judgment, but again, I am not sure I understand why anybody would want that. What's the point?

Speaker 5 Yeah, particularly when you hear this little fact, the surgery can cause the erection to point downwards instead of straight out or up.

Speaker 5 And sometimes the scarring that comes with the surgery can cause the penis to pull back, erasing your your gains. And in some very rare cases, you end up slightly smaller than you started.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't want to tell anyone their business, but that seems like a ton of effort for little gain and possibly the opposite. This surgery just doesn't work.
I mean, that's why would anybody do this?

Speaker 5 This is ridiculous. Well, there's another surgery, which is an implant.
And let's talk about that for a second. So this is a silicone implant surgically inserted into the penis.

Speaker 5 And it can supposedly increase both length and girth. And in fairness, I read a little bit about this.
It has its fair share of success stories, but the horror stories are pretty bad.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, everyone likes a good horror story, but first, what's the implant all about? This is different from the one that inflates, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that was for erectile dysfunction. This one we're talking about, it's a silicone implant, and this is specifically to add size and girth, length and girth.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So this is like a breast implant, silicone implant kind of thing? Yes. But for the penis?

Speaker 5 Like breast implants, you get your choice. They come in various sizes, like like large, extra large, and extra, extra large.

Speaker 1 Let me guess what every guy wants, but I'm calling it right here. Extra, extra large is just marketing, and these are mostly the same size.

Speaker 1 Who goes under the knife for surgery and is like, I'll take a small, medium, whatever?

Speaker 5 I know. It is a little bit strange, but look, from what I understand, it kind of looks like a silicone hot dog bun, and it's inserted under the skin of your penis on the shaft.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I feel like you'd be able to see that and feel it if there were silicone there and you were with that person or it's your own. Right.

Speaker 5 Okay, I looked into that. Literature says that although it's stiff at first, eventually the silicone becomes the consistency of, say, a gummy bear.

Speaker 1 Seems like a gummy worm was right there for the taking. Why'd they choose bearing?

Speaker 5 Incorrect, sir. I know my gummies, and gummy worms and gummy bears have different consistency.
Okay. And this male enhancement implant.
has the consistency of a gummy bear. All right.

Speaker 5 And many guys are happy with their gummy implant. But again, I did seem some stories of dudes that were considerably less than than happy.

Speaker 1 So yeah, this is why I'm so hesitant about these implants. As we've said many times, most guys are fine.
This surgery is unnecessary.

Speaker 1 Then you add in the fact that things can go wrong with this most important body part. So obviously, we want to know what happens.

Speaker 5 Okay, I saw one guy who said he lost all sensation in his penis. Oh, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. See, not worth it.
Even if there's a... 0.1% chance of that.
It's not worth it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I came across many stories of guys that had to have it removed. Some got infected or detached.
Some buckled at the corners.

Speaker 5 And these buckled corners sometimes broke through the skin, forming festering holes.

Speaker 5 Oh, gross.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at that point, it's time to take it out. That is so gross.
Yeah. That is revolting.
Oh my God.

Speaker 5 And here's the problem with the guys that had them removed. You can't just put the toothpaste back in the tube.
No, I would imagine.

Speaker 5 Turns out when a foreign object is implanted into the body, the body reacts by forming an envelope of tissue around it. This new tissue can cause the penis to twist, distort, shorten, curve.

Speaker 5 Like all of the problems they're trying to correct, it can create. Take out the implant, and the penis doesn't go back to the old penis.

Speaker 5 You've got a new penis, but it's probably not one you're going to be very happy with.

Speaker 1 Wow. But I thought the silicone implant things were FDA approved.
I came across that in the notes pre-show.

Speaker 5 Okay, yes. And that is one of the selling points pushed by proponents.
But here's the thing. And this was so interesting to me.

Speaker 5 People have assumed that the FDA requires such rigorous testing before a new drug can be on the market, that the same must be true for a new medical device.

Speaker 5 But there's a loophole which allows untested products to be implanted into people as long as it can be demonstrated that they are, quote, substantially equivalent to those already on the market.

Speaker 5 In this case, it was demonstrated that they're similar to calf and butt implants. And that's how it got approval.
And into the first guy's penis it went.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. It's strange.
I was just wondering if I'd rather have a botched nose job or a botched penis job. I mean, a nose job, you can't hide your nose, right?

Speaker 1 In penis job, nobody's going to see it except the people you invite to see it. But I don't know.
I still think I would prefer the botched nose job somehow.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, again, this gets into go to a proper doctor because wait till you hear about the guys who went to unlicensed practitioners to try and save a few bucks on the procedure.

Speaker 5 I saw a thing about in Papua New Guinea, one clinic reported seeing 500 men in the last two years with disfigured and dysfunctioning penises due to injecting foreign substances into their penises, including coconut oil.

Speaker 1 Oh no.

Speaker 5 Dudes, come on.

Speaker 1 Yikes.

Speaker 5 Take care of yourself, gentlemen. In South Florida, one woman was sentenced to 40 months in jail for mangling a man's penis in a botched, unlicensed penis job.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you messed up my penis, I would want you to go to jail too. Okay, we've warned against going to med spas.

Speaker 1 I know my audience, I know they're way too smart for me to have to say this, but as as a lawyer and fellow human, I feel like I just have to say this anyway.

Speaker 1 If a med spa isn't good enough for your penis treatments, for God's sakes, an unlicensed person operating out of their basement or a storage locker off of a highway exit, that is far riskier.

Speaker 1 Who knows what could happen? Oh my goodness.

Speaker 5 A New Jersey woman didn't just mess up a guy's penis. She killed him.
Whoa. By injecting industrial strength silicon directly into his penis.
Only problem is she shot it into a vein. She shot into

Speaker 5 his bloodstream and he died.

Speaker 1 That is terrible. And you said it right there.
It's elective and obviously totally unnecessary surgery done by somebody who doesn't know what they're doing. Oh my God.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, I read the article and it kind of broke my heart. This guy was 22 years old, right? And he was already a father of two.

Speaker 5 So clearly his penis worked and somebody out there wanted to have sex with him.

Speaker 1 Most guys are fine, but as we've been discussing in the last two episodes, well, they feel inadequate and maybe they shouldn't.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 5 There was a study done of 3D penis models where women were handed them and asked them to choose which penis they might prefer for a one-night stand, as opposed to which penis they're looking for in a long-term relationship.

Speaker 5 And because reality loves irony, they like longer penises for short-term relationships and shorter penises for long-term relationships.

Speaker 1 Food for thought before you let somebody cut your penis with a scalpel and hopefully not kill you in the process.

Speaker 5 Yeah, speaking of which, I mentioned it before, but you can literally see the entire surgeries for these penis augmentations if you want.

Speaker 5 And I'm not sure I recommend it, but type penis implant surgery into YouTube and grab the popcorn because I had no idea you could see actual penises on YouTube, but apparently medical videos are the exception.

Speaker 5 And once you enter that algorithm, YouTube turns into penis town.

Speaker 1 Okay, so for harder, we got options like Viagra, Bocox, lifestyle changes like reducing alcohol.

Speaker 5 For bigger.

Speaker 1 We got traction devices and fillers, among the things that won't kill you. And we've now come to the better looking segment of the show where we beautify the penis.

Speaker 5 Hold on, before we get to the beautiful penis, we neglected one

Speaker 5 that actually covers all categories. And I've got good news.
It's not only safe, but it's good for you. Okay.
But unfortunately or fortunately, it's not for everyone.

Speaker 1 Okay, so there's a way of making your penis bigger, harder, and better looking. I obviously am all ears.

Speaker 5 Well, like I said, it's not for everyone. It's losing weight.
Ah. So if you're already skinny, sorry, this one's not for you.

Speaker 5 But if you're overweight and nothing has motivated you to lose that weight yet, perhaps knowing that you can have a bigger, harder, better-looking penis might.

Speaker 1 Yeah, losing weight makes your dick bigger. How did I...
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 Okay. How? Yes, because as people become heavier, they develop...

Speaker 5 You actually mentioned it in the measuring of the penis. That fat pad.
Oh, I see. Around their cubic area.
Yeah. Well, that can get fatter.

Speaker 5 And that fat pad, as it grows, can diminish the size of your penis.

Speaker 1 I see. That makes sense.
I saw a guy at the gym that was, this is mean, but he was so fat that his penis seemed to basically have disappeared altogether. And I felt bad for the guy.

Speaker 5 Well, actually, that gentleman that you saw at the gym, for one, that's a good sign. He's at the gym.
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 5 He's working on getting his penis back, but he had an actual medical condition known as buried penis syndrome. Okay.
And I feel like it's obvious, but I'll explain it anyway.

Speaker 5 In a nutshell, you get so overweight that your penis gets buried under all your belly fat.

Speaker 1 Wow. So lose the weight and gain a penis.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you gain more than that. Obesity is a leading cause of erectile dysfunction.
Lose the flab, get hard.

Speaker 5 Also, with your new and improved appearance, you'll gain self-esteem, confidence, which are more attractive to sexual partners.

Speaker 1 So by losing weight, the whole person becomes better looking. But there is a market for people that want to just make their penis better looking, right? I mean, come on.

Speaker 5 Right. And with this one, obviously, it's pretty gosh darn subjective.
Getting a better-looking dick is a bit more complex.

Speaker 1 First of all, what makes a dick better-looking? I don't even know.

Speaker 5 Right, exactly. But going off what men are seeking these days, it's stuff like hair removal, dealing with curvatures and bends, and also vein reduction.

Speaker 1 Okay, vein reduction might be risky, you know, just given the importance of blood flow in a place like the penis. Come on.

Speaker 5 That is an excellent point. But these are actually just cosmetic veins on the surface.

Speaker 1 Okay. It seems to me there was a time when everybody just kind of accepted that penises were weird looking because they are.
And now we're going for pretty penises. What the heck, man? Come on.

Speaker 5 It's funny because I remember watching the Daily Show some years ago and Christian Schall said to Jon Stewart, John, a penis looks like something you'd find crawling on the seafloor by a sulfur vent.

Speaker 5 And I just laughed my ass off and I thought, that's funny because it's true. Yes.
So I'm not sure any amount of care can make a penis look particularly pretty, but.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a subjective thing. All right.
But hair removal seems simple enough, right? I mean, just put some, shave shave it up.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I guess. Something like a shaved scrotum, a bald penis, if you will.

Speaker 5 There's shaving and hair removal to take care of that. We know what to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Regilio, you're a pretty old guy. You probably, you

Speaker 1 probably rocket a full bush down there.

Speaker 5 Confidential, Jordan. That would be confidential.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 But times have definitely changed, though it would appear that less hair is preferred these days to the retro jungle look that I may or may not be rocking. Yeah.
But once again, it's just subjective.

Speaker 1 Reminds me of when you would would find one of your uncle's porns and you're like 13 or 14 years old and everyone just is complete, you know, because it's like a 70s or 80s porn.

Speaker 1 And you're like, Jesus, what the, come on. All right.
Nevertheless, hair is something that's pretty easy to take care of. You got to be careful.
You don't want to be using dull scissors, manual trim.

Speaker 1 Don't go too hard on the nair. Leave it on for too long.
The luck can go wrong there, too.

Speaker 5 There's all sorts of manscaping options out there for grooming.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
So we got manscaping, all kinds of trimmers, razors, creams, laser hair removal. We got the pube sorted out.
What else is out there? You mentioned vein removal. That's more interesting.

Speaker 1 Everybody knows about hair removal.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's right. It's part of what's often referred to as a cosmetic penis augmentation.
And the demand for this has grown over the years. What with social media, porn, body image pressures, etc.

Speaker 1 Yeah, comparing yourself to others, which can lead to dissatisfaction. The comparison is the thief of joy.
Right now with the internet, you can compare yourself to a million different people.

Speaker 5 Oh, absolutely. And in addition to size, men are increasingly dissatisfied with the shape and even the texture of their penis.
Texture?

Speaker 1 What is this? It's a freaking cheesecake. What a texture we talk about.

Speaker 5 We're talking about procedures to smooth out veins, alter skin tone, or correct bends.

Speaker 1 So let's start with the vein thing. How does that even work?

Speaker 5 Okay, yeah. So the COVID techniques are called sclerotherapy.
And first you have a consultation with a doctor or for an assessment.

Speaker 1 So you send the doctor a clinical dick pic. Got it.

Speaker 5 Correct. And I'm guessing that most guys just go to a folder on their phone titled dick pics and choose one.
Yes. Side note, Jordan.
I have never sent a dick pic. Really?

Speaker 5 Although I did once send somebody a thousand words describing my penis, so I'm guessing that's a bit comparable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it's like they say, a picture's worth a thousand. I really think you could have saved yourself some time now that I think about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay, then there's preparation, cleaning, and numbing, and anesthetic, and then we get to the procedure itself.

Speaker 1 This sounds pretty intense. Maybe not as intense as getting a venomous snake bite to your schlung, but okay, they're injecting something into your penis to get rid of the veins.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And for sclerotherapy, it's a fine needle that is inserted, injecting a sclerosing agent into the vein, which irritates the vein lining.

Speaker 5 The vein then collapses and is eventually absorbed by the body.

Speaker 1 Okay, ew. What about the laser one?

Speaker 5 Similar procedure. This time, a focused laser is used to heat and close off the vein or veins.
This procedure is usually used to close off smaller surface veins, like we said.

Speaker 1 And what are the risks involved?

Speaker 5 In rare cases, there could be damaged arteries that could be pretty dangerous or scarring or discoloration.

Speaker 5 Bottom line, there's there's actually no sclerotherapy product out there that is FDA approved, so keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 Also, it's one thing if it's causing erectile dysfunction, but when we're talking about all this purely cosmetic stuff, you gotta ask, is it worth it? And I feel like it's just not.

Speaker 5 That's true, but people are free to make their own choices about their bodies. No different than a woman getting breast implants or Botox.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look, I'm positive about body modification and things like that. I just, I want it to be done safely, right?

Speaker 1 You know, don't get some kind of crazy implant that might need to be ripped out of your now disfigured penis. Like that is just not worth it.
Go and get information.

Speaker 1 Make an informed decision so you can do the right thing for yourself. I'm not against people improving themselves.
I just don't roll the dice on some of this stuff. It's just too important.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 1 So we talked about the hair thing, simple fix, talked about the vein thing, more complicated, but there are procedures out there.

Speaker 1 You mentioned bends and curves, and I didn't even think about this, but yeah, there's probably some people that are too curved or too bent.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, I mean, the fact of the matter is bends and curves are normal.
Many penises have natural curves, right, left, up, down. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 But there are men out there who feel self-conscious about their alignment. And so, as you might have guessed, there are procedures out there to address this as well.

Speaker 1 Yes, Perroni's disease. We mentioned that earlier in the show.
That's like a bend in your penis, right?

Speaker 5 Right, that's exactly right. And it's estimated that around 3% to 9% of adult men suffer from this disease.
It mainly affects men between 40 and 70, but it can occur in younger people as well.

Speaker 1 I read up on this a long time ago, but I think it causes weird curvatures, deformities, that kind of thing. Like not a regular curve, but a real sharp bend in the penis.
And it's not good.

Speaker 1 I mean, it makes it hard or possibly even impossible to use in many of the ways that you want to be using it. Yeah, that's correct.
So what are the options to treat these curvatures?

Speaker 1 Maybe from Peroni's disease, or maybe it's just more cosmetic and you want to take the curve from down to up or from left to right or center.

Speaker 5 I don't know. Okay, so first, we've already talked about it, but there's the hyaluronic acid and that can be used as a filler.
Then there are surgeries like something called penile plication.

Speaker 5 Plication sutures are placed on the convex side of the curve in order to straighten it. Also, there's grafting, which involves cutting the curve side and adding a graft or patch to release the bend.

Speaker 5 More invasive than plication, that one is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, ooh. Okay, so what if you don't want to go onto the knife, though? That sounds kind of awful.

Speaker 5 Okay, so there are emerging more experimental procedures using lasers, radio frequency microneedling to stimulate collagen.

Speaker 5 These are largely unproven for reshaping, but clinics offer them, especially in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 Of course. LA, obviously, definitely the place for this kind of stuff.
No surprise there. It's like contouring your jawline, only, you know, not your jawline.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Now, other than when cases involve Peroni's disease or there are complications with intercourse or pain involved, these procedures are not medically necessary.

Speaker 5 We just mentioned that, but you don't have to get it.

Speaker 1 That's right. Okay, right.
And everyone, again, has the right to cosmetic surgery should they choose.

Speaker 1 So it's just important to make sure that it's not based on some distorted view of what attractiveness should look like, body dysmorphia and stuff. You're bigger than you think.

Speaker 1 And size is not as big of a deal as other important things, I suppose.

Speaker 5 True. In fact, probably the most important thing would be confidence, communication, intimacy.
Also, it's worth noting.

Speaker 5 If you're concerned about your penis size, even though it falls within a normal range, you may be experiencing a psychological condition known as penile dysmorphic disorder, PDD, or small penis anxiety, SPA.

Speaker 5 Both conditions involve a distorted perception. Men with these disorders often underestimate their own penis size while overestimating what is typical for others.

Speaker 5 PDD is considered part of the broader body dysmorphic disorder spectrum, whereas SPA is classified as a genital-specific anxiety condition.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we've entered into the era of extreme anxiety, body issues, dysmorphia, and we need to be more positive about all this. Women and men.
Love yourself. Love your penis.

Speaker 5 Or love your partner's penis.

Speaker 1 Or both. Yeah.
That's right, Michael. Love your penis.
But there's nothing wrong with fixing a nagging insecurity in yourself if that's something you're keen to do.

Speaker 1 In truth, I am still half tempted to buy a giant hog from Dr. Pash and just chase Jen around the house with it.

Speaker 1 Upsizeclinic.com, people. I think it'll be hilarious.
Maybe I'll send you a dick pic for your birthday, Michael.

Speaker 5 Hard pass.

Speaker 1 To make a joke from last week, at my age, semi-hard pass.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 5 Look, Jordan, my advice to you is the same as my advice to everybody. Love the penis you have.
Be kind to it. Treat it right.
It's part of who you are.

Speaker 1 It is. Honestly.
Well, it's been a long, girthy journey, Michael. A lot of insights and information in these past two episodes.

Speaker 1 I have certainly learned a lot about dicks and probably learned to love mine a little bit more.

Speaker 5 Whatever it looks like, Jordan.

Speaker 1 That's breathtaking, Michael.

Speaker 5 I'm sure it is. Thanks to Dr.
Pash.

Speaker 1 Thanks, everybody, for listening. Topic suggestions for future episodes of Skeptical Sunday to Jordan at jordanharbinger.com.

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We'll write that in the show notes because, of course, nobody can spell Regilio. We'll link to Dr.

Speaker 1 Pash as well. We might as well at this point.
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Speaker 1 What happens when a billion-dollar platform is built on exploitation and no one's held accountable?

Speaker 1 On episode 1143 of the Jordan Harbinger Show, Layla Micklewaite reveals how she took on Pornhub, exposing how the site ignored abuse, evaded responsibility, and profited from real victims.

Speaker 3 Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups. How in the world was this happening on Pornhub?

Speaker 3 Thinking about that, the idea that we're all assuming that this is legal, vetted, consensual material, because that was what they presented to the world and they spent millions of dollars on their PR campaigns.

Speaker 3 Victims were reaching out and begging them to take these videos down. This is destroying their life.
Of course, the trafficking is force, fraud, coercion.

Speaker 3 If you're under the age of 18 and you're using a commercial sex act, so if you're making money on that sex act that was induced by force or fraud or coercion, it's automatically trafficking.

Speaker 3 It was shocking. Why are you still doing business with a company that distributes rape videos to the world? Hornhub is Jeffrey Epstein times a thousand.

Speaker 3 They have the ability to stop it, to age verify, to make sure that somebody had to show an ID, to show their face, to consent verify before they could upload, and they chose not to.

Speaker 3 And I still feel that just as fully served in this case, looks like Hornhub does get shut down. So they have had to take down 91% of the entire website.

Speaker 3 When we're fighting trafficking, we have to increase risk, we have to eliminate profitability. But we also want to see policy put in place to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Speaker 3 The thing is that I think people have to hear it. And you actually have the power to stop it now.

Speaker 1 The most chilling part isn't just what she uncovered. It's the lengths they went to to try and silence her.
Don't miss episode 1143 of the Jordan Harbinger Show.

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