Sheeple Chase 2 - Spray it Ain't So

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Speaker 11 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Sheeplechase, the podcast that sorts the cons from the conspiracies.

Speaker 11 I'm Georgie Barker.

Speaker 17 And I'm Celia Ripley.

Speaker 17 So, let's start with the big news.

Speaker 2 Ooh.

Speaker 17 How was Captain Barker's big hair cut? Did she have a good time?

Speaker 11 Oh, she was very brave.

Speaker 17 She did look quite cute in the 16 photos you sent me.

Speaker 14 Didn't she?

Speaker 11 And did you like the little X-Files bandana I got for her?

Speaker 17 I like that you think your dog has a favourite TV show.

Speaker 11 You can't prove she doesn't. Anyway, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 I'm fine. Uh-huh.

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Speaker 17 It's your turn to pick the topic, so which conspiracy are we unpicking today?

Speaker 11 Today, we're jetting off to the 90s on the trail of a real humbug.

Speaker 2 Is it chemtrails?

Speaker 11 Yes, it's chemtrails.

Speaker 11 The claim that those clouds you see coming out the back of planes are full of chemicals being purposefully spread by secretive organisations for reasons.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 17 So, why would anyone think there's something sinister going on?

Speaker 11 Well, let's start by talking about the difference between chemtrails and contrails. So, contrails are just frozen condensation following in the plane's wake after cold air combusts in a generation.

Speaker 17 Well, that seems pretty straightforward. Good episode.
Tune in next week.

Speaker 11 But while chemtrail believers do accept that contrails are a thing, they claim that chemtrails linger in place for much longer than contrails.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 17 And that's convincing because, of course, clouds never last more than five minutes.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so like clouds, contrails do behave differently in different conditions. Stuff like temperature, altitude, humidity, it all affects how and even if condensation forms and disperses.

Speaker 11 But people claim that the thick type are always followed by weird effects.

Speaker 2 Like what?

Speaker 11 Rain, mostly.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 17 Am I sure these people are seeing chemtrails and not just, you know, clouds?

Speaker 11 Well, there's loads of pictures online, and some of the photos do have a lot of contrails in them.

Speaker 11 Like, you'd have to live on some sort of aviatory ley line to have that many flight paths crisscrossing over your head. And this is assuming you can even see whatever chemicals are said to be spread.

Speaker 17 If chemtrails come down to it's theoretically possible something invisible exists somewhere, then we may as well be asking if Santa Sley is spreading asbestos or something.

Speaker 17 What do believers think chemtrails are actually for?

Speaker 17 Who's supposed to be spreading them, and why?

Speaker 11 Well, there are loads of competing theories, but most people agree that chemtrails are either for mind control, weather manipulation, biological warfare, weapons testing, population control, or combating climate change.

Speaker 17 Well, that certainly narrows it down.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 So let's start with the mind control theory, because it's probably the easiest to dismiss.

Speaker 17 Well, you would say that, given they're controlling your mind.

Speaker 11 The idea is that governments are spreading vaguely defined mind control chemicals to make the population more docile.

Speaker 17 And people think it works?

Speaker 11 Well, yes. Their theory is that only mind-controlling substances could get people to not notice the mind-controlling substances in the sky.

Speaker 17 I see.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's just not realistic. It will be so inefficient.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 11 I'm just saying, it will be a terrible way of spreading mind-control chemicals. It's so wasteful, and you don't have any way to properly monitor the effects.
I just think there are better options.

Speaker 2 So how would you do it?

Speaker 11 Oh, water supply. Easy.
Almost everyone uses tap water. It would be simple to add a few extra chemicals to reservoirs during disinfection.

Speaker 11 You could even target specific regions and it would be greener than using all those planes.

Speaker 17 Oh well I'm so glad to hear you've considered the environmental impact.

Speaker 11 Trouble is there aren't really any mind control chemicals that would work like that. Even the CIA gave up after the whole MK Ultra thing.

Speaker 11 Best they managed was maybe making a couple of people a bit more suggestible.

Speaker 17 So I can keep drinking tap water.

Speaker 11 Besides, you don't need chemicals to control people. That's what the economy's for.

Speaker 17 Plus, every social media platform's already basically a mind control device already.

Speaker 11 Very true.

Speaker 17 Georgie, you do realise you're on all of them, all of the time, right?

Speaker 11 Right, but I interact with random stuff to confuse the algorithm. My targeted ads think I'm a French grandpa who likes windsurfing and motorbike repair.

Speaker 11 Anyway, moving on to the weather manipulation stuff. This is where the conspiracy started.
In 1996, the US Air Force put out a report entitled Owning the Weather in 2025,

Speaker 11 which looked at how the US government could manipulate weather in the future.

Speaker 17 And is, to be fair, something a super villain's research assistant would write.

Speaker 11 Yeah, nobody really noticed it till 1999 when Art Bell, who hosted Coast to Coast AM, connected the dots with online forums discussing contrails, and then suddenly the theory was everywhere.

Speaker 11 Apparently, the US government got so many complaints about it.

Speaker 17 That must have been such a weird day to be on the US Air Force Customer Service hotline. Everyone accusing you of ruining Brad Washington's son's picnic or whatever.

Speaker 11 Well, most of the more serious posters think it's either to combat or even cause climate change, depending on which one they think is worse.

Speaker 17 Well, that's a bit of a stretch.

Speaker 11 But governments can use aircraft to affect the climate. And they do.

Speaker 17 I'm sorry, governments can control the weather.

Speaker 11 A bit, yes.

Speaker 11 In 2008, the Chinese government wanted to make sure Beijing was nice and sunny for the Olympics, so they used cloud seeding to purposefully make it rain in a different city and kind of bring all the moisture out of the air before it got to the sports.

Speaker 17 Cloud seeding?

Speaker 11 It's when you release chemicals, usually some kind of salt, into the air at high altitudes to cause ice crystals to form at higher temperatures than normal and make clouds, which then fall as rain or hail or snow or whatever.

Speaker 17 Okay, even I can see how you could mix that up with chemtrails.

Speaker 11 Well if you like cloud seeding you'll love this. Some climate scientists are suggesting that we could use contrails to help mitigate global warming.
I'm sorry, what?

Speaker 11 Well basically, because contrails are essentially just clouds, if you get enough of them in one spot, they should have an insulating effect.

Speaker 11 So you could, in theory, control heat buildup and dispersal around the planet.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 17 so planes could hypothetically be used for some minor weather shenanigans. That hardly seems as bad as the whole mind control thing.

Speaker 11 Well, you say that, but silver iodide is one of the chemicals used for cloud seeding, and in extreme quantities, it can be carcinogenic. And turn your skin a bluey-gray colour.

Speaker 17 I'll admit, cancer rain doesn't sound great.

Speaker 17 So, have there been many unexplained cases of silvery skin?

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 The amounts used for cloud seeding are super tiny.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 17 So the weather stuff is A, fine, and B, not what people are talking about when they're talking about chemtrails.

Speaker 11 Pretty much.

Speaker 17 So the mind controls nonsense, and the weather control stuff doesn't scan either.

Speaker 17 Sounds like this is pretty much done.

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Speaker 11 There's a directory. The weirder ones pay pay more.

Speaker 11 Anyway, we were about to cover the weirder side of airborne chemicals, including our favourite, messed up cases of verified chemical warfare.

Speaker 17 I'm guessing you're talking stuff like Agent Orange?

Speaker 11 It was a chemical agent spread by aircraft.

Speaker 2 Sure,

Speaker 17 but commercial flights are completely different. For chemtrails to be a thing, you'd have to believe that pretty much every government and airline is working together on this.

Speaker 17 And no government is going to just let someone spray their citizens.

Speaker 11 But they do. They do it themselves.

Speaker 17 What do you mean they do it themselves?

Speaker 11 The MOD has already admitted to doing this loads of times. In the fluorescent particle trials, planes flew across the length of England dropping zinc cadmium sulfide.

Speaker 11 And in the large area coverage trials, MOD ships sprayed E. coli all over Dorset.
In the sabotage trials, they released a bunch of bacteria on the northern line. Wait, what?

Speaker 11 And this is just from one military base, Porton Down. They admitted it all in a report they gave to this libd MMP,

Speaker 11 Norman Baker, way back in 2002.

Speaker 17 They're not still doing it, though.

Speaker 2 Are they?

Speaker 11 Let's just say that when Porton Down was asked about that, they said it's not our policy to comment on current research. So,

Speaker 11 yeah, it certainly sounds like there's some current research to not comment on.

Speaker 17 Well, that's horrifying, and not in a fun conspiracy kind of way.

Speaker 11 Exactly. So, I'm not saying chemtrails are real.
I'm just saying someone somewhere is definitely getting sprayed. And it could be you, it could be any of us.

Speaker 17 And there's nothing we can do about it.

Speaker 11 Sure, there is. Just try not to breathe, or drink water, or eat anything that grows in the ground.

Speaker 2 You know, basic stuff. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 17 despite these awful revelations, none of that stuff is actual chemtrails, is it?

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 And there's really no evidence that commercial jets are deliberately spreading stuff.

Speaker 17 Just classified military experiments on the civilian population?

Speaker 11 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 17 Well, I have to say, I think you've convinced me.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 17 Not about chemtrails, which are clearly utterbolux,

Speaker 17 but the idea that militaries are dumping chemicals on people from the air for sinister reasons?

Speaker 17 Absolutely.

Speaker 11 I'll take that as a win!

Speaker 2 Wow!

Speaker 11 I'm gonna award myself a certificate to commemorate this momentous achievement.

Speaker 17 Do I get a certificate for every time I've convinced you a theory's fake?

Speaker 11 Steady on. Printer ink's expensive, you know.

Speaker 17 Damn.

Speaker 11 Best I can manage is the drone I've sent to spray caffeine through your air vents to perk you up before recordings.

Speaker 17 Sounds great.

Speaker 11 So, got anything good planned this weekend?

Speaker 2 This and that.

Speaker 17 But more importantly, are you excited about your big date?

Speaker 11 Ugh, not particularly. I've been checking online, and the odds of him being a serial killer are shockingly high.

Speaker 17 Even if he is, I doubt he's gonna kill you in a ZZs.

Speaker 11 He might.

Speaker 17 Why do I feel like you're still holding out for a certain famous YouTube ghost hunter?

Speaker 11 I'm allowed to admire good videography.

Speaker 17 Hmm, especially when it's by Melanie King, right?

Speaker 11 I'm just saying, she has soulful eyes. She looks like she's seen terrible things.

Speaker 11 In a good way.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 11 Anyway, I think that's all for this week. As always, thanks for listening.
And next time you take a flight, maybe leave the E. coli at home.
The British Army's got that covered.

Speaker 2 Gross.

Speaker 11 Sheeple Chase and the Magnus Protocol are podcasts distributed by Rusty Quill and licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Sharealike 4.0 international license.

Speaker 11 Sheeplechase was created by Sasha Sienna, directed by April Sumner, and based on the works of Jonathan Sims and Alexander J. Mule.

Speaker 11 This episode was written by Sasha Sienna and edited with additional materials by Jonathan Sims and Alexander J.

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