Personal Impact of Anti-Trump Lawfare, and New Katie Porter Berating Staff Videos, with Eric Trump and Walter Kirn | Ep 1169

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Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and happy Friday.

I mean, I literally sat down at this desk.

I almost did not make air today.

I was down in Washington, D.C.

last night.

More on why in just a bit, but

my lungs are burning.

That was a close one, even for me.

New York Attorney General Letitia James vowing that she is fearless.

I mean, do people who are fearless say, I am fearless?

I don't think so.

I just think they just go about their business and do their thing, kind of like what Trump did when they tried to indict him four times and bankrupt him.

I don't remember him running around saying, I am fearless.

I think that's called cosplaying.

After being criminally indicted on federal charges of bank fraud and false statements to a financial institution.

Meanwhile, over on CNN, having themselves a normal one saying, everyone does this.

We all do this.

We do?

Do we all commit mortgage fraud?

Shit, I'm going to have to go check my mortgage applications because I distinctly remember being pretty damn careful, realizing if I didn't say what was real, that could get me in a lot of trouble.

Never mind multiple times like Tish James, oh, by the way, the chief law enforcement officer of New York State is accused of doing.

Now, this criminal indictment only seems to relate to one instance, but she could take your pick.

I mean, My assumption is they're not going after her everywhere because some of these jurisdictions won't be so friendly to the idea of a Tish James indictment.

But here we are in the Eastern District of Virginia, the so-called Rocket Docket, same place as Comey, and it's on.

In response to the Tish James indictment, the New York Times writing up an entire news article about how President Trump is doing nothing more than singling out a black woman.

Okay,

it's a black woman thing.

Sure, Jan.

What a joke.

They actually have

like a screen grab of three black women, and they're making really that point.

These are the poor, innocent black women that Trump is going after: Fannie Willis, Lisa Cook, who also has her own mortgage problems, according to Bill Pulte,

and Letitia James.

Now, what do two out of those three black women have in common?

Can anyone think what it might be other than the fact that they're black and they're women?

What if Fannie Willis and Tish James have?

Oh, wait, it just came to me.

They went after Trump.

This is, if anything, defensive.

And by the way, he's not really going after Fannie Willis.

She's got her own problems that she created for herself.

Okay, so there's a ton to get to today.

Walter Kern will join me in just a bit, but we are super excited to welcome our first guest today.

And what a day for it.

It happens to be President Donald J.

Trump's own son.

He's here to talk about lawfare, the snubbing on the Nobel Peace Prize, and more.

Eric Trump is out with a perfectly timed new book called Under Siege: My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation.

It's exactly the right title.

It's exactly what they've been doing.

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We want to support the Trump family.

They're doing a lot for us.

And Eric Trump has been put through so much.

If you read this book, you'll truly be horrified.

I think he's on his 107th subpoena, attacking attacking him, his charitable foundation, his family, his wife, obviously his father.

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Eric, thanks so much for being here and congrats on the book.

Thanks, Megan.

It was great.

I was fired up when you sent me that text message the other night, right after I came off of Chris Cuomo.

So

it's great to be here and with you.

I can't believe I actually have to defend the fact that they put our family under siege for the last

10 years relentlessly, but

that's mainstream media in America.

Can you believe the New York Times putting Fannie Willish, Tish James, and Lisa Cook up there like these poor, downtrodden black women that your dad is picking on.

It's remarkable.

And honestly, even worse is when I hear them every single day.

Trump is weaponizing the government.

Trump is weaponizing the government.

I mean, Megan, let's start with obviously the Russia hoax.

Let's start with the dirty dossier.

Let's start with me getting all the calls from the FBI saying we had secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating with the Kremlin.

Then 91 indictments.

Every DA and AG in this country coming after us, stripping us off the ballots of Maine and Colorado.

I became the most subpoenaed person in American history.

You said 107.

It was actually 112.

So I wish it was 107.

For doing absolutely not a damn thing wrong, right?

I mean, only because I was a guy who ran the Trump organization that didn't have the same constitutional protections.

you know, that my father had.

They took us off of YouTube.

They took us off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.

They did everything they could.

They deplatformed us, Shopify everybody, the businesses.

They de-banked us.

They did everything they could to kill us, to bankrupt us, to hide us, to remove our voice, to make sure that the family got torn apart as they're raiding Melania's room at Mar-a-Lago, as they're raiding a 16-year-old kid's room at Mar-a-Lago, Barron's room at the time.

I mean, they did everything they could.

And then I get to hear CNN talk about how Donald Trump is weaponizing law enforcement because it seems pretty clear.

you know, that Letitia James, you know, lied on her mortgage application, did exactly what she accused us of doing.

By the way, the entire penalty, as you know, Megan, got reversed by

the appellate courts of New York 5-0.

You know, but it's amazing about the Democrats.

They always dig so deep that they find themselves.

I mean, Hillary did that with Russia, right?

She did that with Russia.

Donald Trump is colluding with Russia until they start digging into it and they realize that

the only ties anybody had to Russia was actually

Hillary.

And

Letitia is doing the exact same thing.

They do this every single time.

Letitia James put out that video, which I referenced in the intro.

I am fearless.

I am fearless.

And

she referenced that absurd judgment she got in a civil court stacked with a bunch of far-left progressive New York jurors.

Although, actually, that was the criminal case.

This was Judge Engeron, who was even farther to the left.

So she gets this verdict.

And then it's so out of whack that it gets reversed by the Court of Appeals, the New York State Court of Appeals.

Well, the appellate division right above her, the district court.

And

the whole award gets blown out.

They said this is absolutely absurd.

But technically, the judgment has stood for now.

That's still going to go up.

But she is talking about that award like it's been untouched, like it stands inviolate in this same video.

Let me play it for you.

This is nothing more than a continuation.

of the president's desperate weaponization of our justice system.

He is forcing forcing federal law enforcement agencies to do his bidding, all because I did my job as the New York State Attorney General.

These charges are baseless, and the President's own public statements make clear that his only goal is political retribution at any cost.

I stand strongly behind my office's litigation.

against the Trump organization.

Judges have upheld the trial court's finding that Donald Trump, his company, and his two sons are liable for fraud.

I'm a proud woman of faith, and I know that faith and fear cannot share the same space.

Oh, Lord.

And so today I'm not fearful.

I'm fearless.

First of all, just the drama with which that is delivered.

She's an actress, Eric.

She's pretending to be this strong, fierce woman who would never back down to Donald Trump.

Meanwhile, she's a bully.

I'll never forget, walk into her office for one of the depositions, and this law enforcement officer came up to me, this guy who had been in the office for 30 years, and he goes, Eric, I've been in this office for 30 years, and now I work for Letitia James, and I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

This office is a national embarrassment.

It is an embarrassment to me.

It's an embarrassment to New York State.

And I'm just, I want to say I'm sorry.

This is a man that literally worked for her.

She campaigned on the promise and fundraised on the promise of going into the office every single day of Attorney General, suing Donald Trump, and then going home.

I mean,

it was widespread.

That was literally her entire campaign promise was suing him, going home, right?

Her exact quote was, I'm going to go in, I'm going to be a real pain in his ass, right?

He's going to know my name personally.

He's going to know Tish James.

And then she goes after Cuomo, throws Cuomo out of the governorship only to run for governor three weeks later.

Now she had zero support and zero fundraising and no one liked her.

So, you know, she ended that race in about three days.

But I mean, all she's she's ever done is play identity politics, and all she's ever done is weaponize her office against political adversaries or in furtherance of her career.

Make no mistake, had Kamala won, you don't think she would be Attorney General of the United States right now?

I do.

That's exactly what she wanted.

No different than she wanted to climb the ladder, Megan, of being governor of New York State until she realized that she had zero support.

There's a lot to get to on this front, but I want to keep going because I really do want to talk about the book.

I thought it was fascinating.

It's called Under Siege.

It's by Eric Trump.

Get your pre-order now.

We've got to make sure he debuts at the top of the New York Times bestseller list because the Times will do everything within its power to stop it, which is why it's fun.

Eric doesn't really need that honor, but we want to give it to him because it's fun to make them give it to members of the Trump family in particular, but any conservative.

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I'm telling you, I personally read the whole thing cover to cover.

It's so interesting because you get so personal about your family, all members of your family, your own personal experience in the lead up to both campaigns.

So I'll get to that in one second.

But first, let me just ask you about the Nobel Peace Prize.

Amazingly, your dad did not win it.

Instead, the committee has given it to this opposition leader in Venezuela who's been in hiding.

And here was their explanation at the Nobel Committee, the chair, Jorgen Watney Friedness,

trying to justify why it didn't go to Donald Trump.

Sat one.

In the long history of the Nobel Peace Prize, I think this committee has seen any type of campaign, media attention.

We receive thousands and thousands of letters every year of people wanting to say what for them leads to peace.

This committee sits in a room filled with the portraits of all laureates, and that room is filled with both courage and integrity.

So we base only our decision on the work and the will of Alfred Nobel.

Okay.

Your thoughts on your dad not being chosen.

Well, listen, I think it's sad.

I mean, Megan, I see a kind of a world that very few people get to see because I'm in the room with him a lot, right?

And I've personally seen him end worse, right?

I mean, my hand to God, I've personally seen him.

You know, with the whole Cambodia situation and Thailand, everybody remembers that.

I remember him calling both leaders.

I was sitting right next to him.

We were in Scotland together, and he called both leaders.

He's going back and forth.

He stopped that war.

He stopped with the artillery guys, stop it.

You're the biggest traitors of the United States.

I promise I I will not take kindly.

And sure enough, in a matter of an hour, I can't tell you how many kids, how many young men, primarily, lives were saved by not charging at each other on a war that was a tinderbox, right?

You saw that with India and Pakistan as well.

You saw him get involved.

You saw him call Modi.

You saw him literally disarm that entire war.

Again, how many hundreds of thousands of people, potentially millions of people,

would have died there.

And then you see him pull off the impossible.

I mean, between the Jews, the Muslims, the entire Middle East, which has been such a difficult situation, create the Abraham Accords, create total and lasting peace, make sure Iran never has a nuclear weapon which they would use against the Western world, make no mistake about it.

And if Megan, they didn't use it, believe me, one of their proxies would use it.

And yet,

You know, he gets zero recognition.

Yet, you know, Barack Hussein Obama is getting the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing.

And every American leader

who sent our kids to war, who spent, what, $9 trillion on wars in the Middle East, you know, where they would blow up a school, then they would rebuild it three days later, then they would blow up the same school again, right?

Those are the guys getting the Nobel Peace Prize.

But it was really interesting.

Putin just put out a message.

He put out a whole tweet about this in a statement.

And he goes, listen, the Nobel Peace Prize, they've just...

They're not what they used to be.

I mean, they've just, it's not the same.

You know, people who have never accomplished anything are giving the Nobel Peace Prize to people who

haven't accomplished nearly as much as Donald Trump has.

And it's a a big family and it's become a joke.

It died when they gave it to Obama for literally just taking office and doing speeches trying to flagellate America, just saying, he went on his apology tour throughout Europe saying, we're so sorry, we suck.

And they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize for his speeches.

Meanwhile, your dad is actually saving lives, literally saving lives, and achieving something no other president has been able to achieve in the Middle East.

Eh,

okay.

We're not interested.

We look around this storied room and we see the posters of laureates.

The committee sits in a room filled with the portraits of laureates of both courage and integrity.

And obviously, the implications of Alfred Nobel just peace.

A little history lesson.

Alfred Nobel actually created dynamite, right?

So, you know, he did.

They seem to forget that, right?

I mean, obviously, an amazing guy in his own right, but it's,

give me a break, right?

And what's even more.

Big into the oil business, too.

What's even more surprising is when the leaders on both sides of a conflict say he deserves it, right?

Like it's, you know, forget about the people sitting in Norway, sitting in Oslo, where they do the award, right?

Forget about those people.

Like, how about the fact that people on both sides of that conflict say he deserved it?

That leaders on both sides of the India-Pakistan conflict said that he deserved it.

People on both sides of the Thailand-Cambodia conflict said he deserves it.

I mean, these are the people that

didn't go to war based on his actions.

And by the way, there's plenty more.

I mean, mean, he deserves it for cleaning up the streets of Washington, D.C., our nation's capital, and keeping, what, 10 kids from dying every single week to gun violence.

He deserves it just for that alone, let alone all these conflicts around the world that he's ending.

And one last thing.

Even the conflicts that aren't ended right now, right?

Russia and Ukraine, who's worked harder at trying to end those conflicts than Donald Trump.

This guy has put every ounce of his energy and soul into ending those conflicts.

It's like not giving Michael Jordan the MVP award.

Like, okay, he doesn't need the award.

Everybody knows he's the MVP.

You know, Trump doesn't need this to

make him realize that he truly is a peacemaker.

He's being celebrated around the world for it.

But it embarrasses the Nobel Committee.

You can end my sentence.

Everything woke goes to, right?

You know, I'll leave the blank out, but

look at the Emmys, look at the Oscars, look at all these things that became politicized.

You know, and guess what?

They have no meaning anymore.

And I hope that's not the case because there should be a place in this world for people that do beautiful things to get recognized.

And

I really thought this would be higher than that.

And unfortunately, it's not.

And I think what will happen is the award will go by the wayside when people know and realize that.

And so it's actually kind of a sad thing for humanity.

I actually don't like to see this at all.

You're not wrong.

How about Barack Obama taking two days to issue a statement about this peace deal in the Middle East and then waxing poetic about how, well, we're really going to have to see whether there is a lasting peace and both sides live up to their

two words not mentioned in his lengthy tweet.

Donald Trump.

Yeah.

Thank you.

And thank you.

I'll give you another two words.

Thank you, Donald Trump.

We can make this four words.

But no, I think that's right.

I mean, I looked at that tweet and I go, man, did ChatGPT write this thing?

It's all nonsense.

It's all fluff, right?

And honestly, I think that's a good thing.

He's such a small man.

I spend a lot of time talking about this in the book.

I do, like the difference between people of action and and people of words, right?

You know, it's kind of funny.

Did you ever see a clip where

Barack Obama's talking about getting bin Laden and my father's talking about getting

back daddy?

He died like a dog.

He died like a dog, right?

There's a lot of shooting.

You know, the guy was crying.

We didn't go through the front door.

Like, who doesn't go through the front door?

We blew a hole in the damn wall and we went and got them.

But like, it's the difference between a person of action and a person of just kind of poetry and words.

And this country is seeing a person of action, and it's beautiful.

Like, I'm so proud of that as a son, right?

It's, you know, forget about the pleasantry.

Forget about the pleasantries.

Just get the damn job done.

That's what Americans want.

That's what Americans expect.

That's how we got to, that's how we got to a moon.

That's how we won the world wars, right?

You know, that's how we became the superpower of the world.

We just, we got the damn job done.

We do that better than anybody in the world in terms of capitalism.

We just get the, you know, we invent the products.

We get the job done.

And, you know, I read that.

I'm sitting there saying, you know, that was put into ChatGPT, these flowery nonsense, you know, statements.

How about your brother-in-law, Jared Kushner, getting off the couch because he's working, but he didn't want to do politics in Trump 2.0, with Steve Witcoff going over there and actually helping negotiate this thing.

I was saying on the show yesterday, Eric, to me, it's no surprise that you've got three real estate guys, really, running point on it, your dad, Witkoff, and Kushner, because real estate guys know how to cut deals.

Yeah, that's right.

You know, and they're also respected.

You know, that's the difference.

I mean, they go over.

You'd have, you know, back to Obama for a second.

You'd have Obama flying to China.

They wouldn't even bring a staircase up to the plane.

Do you remember that?

I mean, I think you covered it probably as well as anybody, Megan.

Do you remember where he had to go out there like the kids' stairs on the bottom of Air Force One?

You know, there was no red carpets, there's no anything.

My father goes over to China, and, you know, I mean, half of China shows up.

They've got the most incredible, you know, receiving lines you've ever seen.

He goes over to Saudi Arabia, and they've got the 5,000 white horses and the swordsmen and everything else, right?

And, you know, the lack of respect that they had toward these other administrations versus the total respect that they have for my father is just, you know, it's night night and day.

And so they can credibly get people in the room.

But by the way, people that they actually built real friendships with and legitimate relations with, you know, and negotiate this.

And I give them a lot of credit.

Listen, you know, obviously Steve Wickoff is Jewish.

Jared Kushner, as you know, my brother-in-law

is Jewish.

And yet, you know, they walk into Muslim countries and they do so with total respect and admiration and friendship and love.

And they get a job done.

And I think that's a beautiful thing.

Yeah, same.

What a week week for the country and your family.

All right.

And now you put a period at the end of it as you launched the pre-sales of this book, Under Siege.

I'm going to start in a weird place, but can we talk about your mom?

Your mom, Ivana Trump, because that story just really jumped out at me.

She's...

kind of the unsung hero of the Trump family, of course, because your dad's so famous and so powerful.

But you all seem to have really been close with your mom.

And I didn't realize that you were the first one over to her townhome after she had died after a fall down the stairs.

So, you know, Megan, I think you're the first person that read this book outside of a very, very close circle.

And I mean like three people.

And so this is actually probably the first time I'm telling that story.

I got pretty granular and I got pretty raw in terms of our family.

I'm beyond the point of holding, you know, holding back on certain things.

But my mom was an amazing woman.

I mean, Olympic skier, a runway model.

I mean, she was on the cover of every single, whether it's Esquire 100 times, Vogue 100 times.

I mean, you name it.

She was, I mean, they were the ultimate power couple in the world, and she was an amazing woman.

But man, was she tough, and in a good way.

I mean, we got out of line as a kid.

She would grab you by the neck, her long fake nails.

They'd go into your neck,

and you would get a beating.

And it was the best thing that ever happened to us.

I say that in the most affectionate way, but I mean, you know, she would keep her very type A kids, as you can probably tell from who we are, and she kept them in line and taught us manners and work ethic and responsibility.

And, you know, she fell alcoholism.

And it's not something that we've spent a whole lot of time talking about.

But you know, it's, my father was always that guy, no drinking, no drugs, no smoking.

I talked about that in the book, but he was always, you know, but we saw that firsthand with my mom.

You know, she had, she had a drinking problem at the later stages of her life.

And I found her dead in her town home and cleaned up the entire mess.

But she was an amazing woman.

I mean,

she was truly, I mean, she had all the European kind of glamour, but came in, and America was her home.

I mean, you know, and she had no tolerance for people who didn't do it the right way.

You know, she loved America and she was the best of America.

And

you tell a story about your high school graduation.

Can you repeat that?

It's so funny.

She had another engagement that she really wanted to go to.

This made me laugh because we're in such a parachute, molly-coddling phase of American parenthood.

And people always look at your family and say, how did all those kids turn out so well with all that money and fame?

Like, usually those kids go wayward.

You guys didn't.

And I actually think your mom gets a lot of the credit for just not,

you know, being totally drunk on the wine that the children were producing.

Oh, no question.

She was, she was tough and she kept us in line.

I mean, she absolutely kept us in line.

And she showed us the whole world.

I mean, she really did.

She was a amazing, but she also made us work.

But yeah, it was my high school graduation.

I called her up.

I was at boarding school.

I called her up on 1-800 Collect.

I'll never forget this.

And I go, mom, you know, here are the dates for my graduation.

You know, just mark it in the Rolodex, you know, put it in the calendar.

And

she goes, hold on one second.

That's the Monte Carlo Grand Prix.

Now, if you're European that's like the Super Bowl and Augusta and everything else combined into one right like that's like the holy grail that's MLB that's NBA and everything combined into one every European loves loves the Monte Carlo Grand Prix and she she she goes honey that's Monte Carlo Grand Prix I go mom it's my graduation and her exact line was Eric every effing but she used the real world every effing moron graduates from high school get over it and she never came from my high school graduation but yet Megan, this was a woman that adored me, right?

Like

this wasn't like a broken household where my mom didn't love me to death, but it's like...

No, you knew she loved you.

Now, just so you know, I could have been graduating with a doctorate degree from MIT and not high school, right?

And she probably would have used the exact same thing.

Every effing moron, you know, graduates from MIT with a doctorate degree, but same result.

But she was an amazing woman.

She was a powerhouse, really, really good at real estate.

She was kind of the, you know, certainly the right-hand.

person to everything that my father did

early in the career.

And my father loves her.

I mean, he loves her.

And I'll never forget, I think I mentioned the story in the book, but every single day, you know, you'd have Anderson Cooper go knock on her townhouse door.

They wanted Ivana Trump to say anything negative about Donald Trump in the first campaign.

This was in 2016.

And she just flipped them off.

She gave them zero time of day, and she loved my father.

And then finally, one day she opened up the door.

And, you know, Ivana, we want an interview.

We want to know everything about Donald Trump.

You know, how do you think he's going to be as a president?

And she said something so funny that made my father laugh.

She goes, terrible husband, but man, will that guy be the greatest president in the entire world you watch you mark my words and it it was such like an ivana trump type quote you know just so it's classic so honest and and that's how i wrote the book i mean maybe this is the first time i've ever really thought about it but maybe it was a lot of that free spirit that she had where she just said what was ever on her mind that's exactly how i approached this book i i did not mix words it's going to ruffle a lot of feathers i think you'll you'll you'll be the first one to attest to that when it comes out and uh

and also beyond that i'm getting probably deeper than i should it was actually a very cathartic process given that the absolute hell that they put us through.

I know, because when you're going through it, you know, the shells are coming down upon you.

You just have to keep going.

You have to just survive.

And it's almost like you're kind of still there because your dad's currently president.

But the law affair is over and like the impeachments are over.

And, you know, God willing, the assassination attempts have passed.

And so maybe it was the perfect time to just take a deep breath, exhale, and take stock of where you are at this point in your young life.

Like you've been through a lot.

I mean, even without your dad running for president, you could have written a very interesting memoir.

You're writing about the helicopter rides to Atlantic City with all these famous celebrities when you were a kid.

I mean, Trump was king of the world before he was president of the United States, and you had a front row seat.

You were part of it.

Yeah, then I had a front row seat.

And that, you know, he sat me down in November of 2016.

And, you know, I was 33 years old.

He goes, Eric, I want you to take over the empire.

I want you to take over the company.

You've built all our buildings.

You've managed all our teams.

I want you to head it off.

And I go, this is amazing, right?

I'll continue to build our hotels.

I'll continue to build the golf courses, the residential buildings, commercial buildings.

I mean, I have real estate in my DNA.

I get into a lot of the stories in the book, obviously, about growing up on construction sites starting at 11.

And Megan, never did I realize that 90% of my time was going to be keeping the animals off of our back.

When I got that call from the New York Times, Washington Post, Eric, there are secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating with the Kremlin.

I literally started laughing.

I go, you got gotta be kidding me.

They perpetrated that hoax.

I go, first of all, we're like cloud-based computing, right?

So first of all, we don't really even have servers.

Second of all, you don't put servers in basements because basements flood.

Like, let's get to the basics.

Third of all, I'm like, why don't you come over to Trump Tower?

Like,

walk into any basement in Trump Tower, and they'll be impeccable because I'm a very anal retenive person, but like, you're not going to find any servers.

I mean, it was all a made-up hoax, and they allowed that to perpetrate for years and years.

But again, because I didn't have constitutional protections, I wasn't in the executive branch, I became the pinata to the full force of the Letitia Jameses, as ironic as that is that we're talking about this the day after.

And, you know, every single one of those, I mean, I was getting a subpoena every single day.

I was sitting in a deposition every single day.

I became the most subpoenaed person in American history.

I spent $400 million, $400 million defending from just totally insane attacks, i.e., you know, having servers communicating with Putin, which was nuts, right?

And all the attacks from Hillary and everything else.

And I remember being in the courthouse with my father.

I never left his side, Megan.

Every single day he was in the court in downtown New York, I was next to him.

And I remember when they read off those 34 felony convictions, and he stood up, he turned around, we shook hands, we walked out proudly, and we were in the car.

And I say this in the book, he said, honey, I don't know how.

It was the lowest moment of all of them, right?

I don't know how, but somehow we're going to win this.

And he didn't just mean the court case.

He meant the entire presidency.

And I looked at him, I go, Dad, it's either the White House or it's two jail cells for us, right?

Because that's what they wanted.

Having never done anything wrong, I've never gotten so much as a speeding ticket, right?

It was either the White House or they were going to throw us in jail.

And that's the story of Andre Siege.

But they weren't just doing it to our family.

They were doing it to the entire country.

When they were weaponizing the IRS against religious institutions, against pastors, against churches, when they were de-platforming people, when they were debanking people, when they were taking people off of Facebook and Instagram and turning down their voices and violating the First Amendment right when they were passing up

really good, capable people for jobs because of DEI hires, where people's careers were totally set back.

I mean, they were coming after all of us.

They were coming after not just our family.

We might have been the tip of the spear, but they were coming after, Megan, they came after you.

They came after every network that you ever

worked on or worked for.

They came after your employees.

They came after your friends.

You know why?

Because you were a loud, independent voice that they otherwise couldn't control.

How about sending the FBI into church meetings and trying to sick them on parents at school board meetings?

I mean, the weaponization while Joe Biden was president was truly unprecedented.

They want to say that word about your dad and his administration now unprecedented.

No, no, it's what is happening to Tish James is far from unprecedented.

It's exactly precedented.

And it wasn't that too long ago that we don't all remember it.

Just rounding back to growing up as your dad's son and how real estate is in your DNA, I learned a lot about you in this book.

I did not know about Frank Sanzo.

I love the story about how you and your dad first saw this guy.

Can you tell that story?

We were driving in his Rolls-Royce through Bedford, New York, an area you probably know.

I'll never forget

my father's Rolls-Royce, and we're going to one of our properties and he sees this lone stonemason on the side of the road.

And he pulls over and he goes, Eric, that's the most beautiful wall I've ever seen.

And he pulls up next to the guy and he goes, hi, my name is Donald Trump.

And the guy obviously knew who he was.

He goes, that's the most incredible stone wall.

And we're sitting there talking about

masonry and blue stone versus granite versus brown stone, et cetera, et cetera.

And finally, my father goes, I want to give you all my work.

You're amazing.

You're so talented.

I want to give you my work.

So Vinnie, I'm sorry, Frank came into our life.

And I worked for Frank every single summer.

And this guy, I mean, it was Marlboro Reds, and it was pots of coffee.

And he would literally, Megan, I say this in the book, he would mock you if you wore gloves, right?

I mean, as you're doing stonework, like you know, you're laying patios, and this is like, this isn't like marble, like this isn't like tile work, this is like serious stonework.

Rough.

And if you were wearing gloves, he would mock you.

At the end of the day, he'd give you a couple drops of olive oil because olive oil could cure everything.

It would cure cancer, it would cure every problem.

But just this hard Italian guy who was amazing, and I grew up working for him every single summer.

And,

you know, construction is in my DNA.

And many of the guys that I worked for back then still work for me today.

And it's an amazing family.

It's an amazing community.

It's an amazing

company.

And he was a very special guy in our life.

I mean, little did you know that you were going to need that tough skin in more ways than one, right?

I mean, New York real estate is no, you know, that's not for softies, but presidential politics, as I always say, it's not beanbag.

And we've heard this story a bit before, but can you talk a bit about how your dad, when he called the whole family together before the first run, and had the meeting and said,

this is the moment we're going to find out who our real friends are.

He called me and he goes, honey, get the kids.

We're on the 25th floor of Torm Tower.

He was on the 26th floor.

He goes, get the kids, come up to the office.

So I bring up Ivanka Don and

he looks at us and he goes, you know, kids, I'm going to do this.

And then he said, let's do this, right?

And that was everything Megan, we had ever done, we had done together, right?

Whether it's the real estate world, the golf world, the hotel world, you know, the residential buildings.

Obviously, I was on seven seasons of the Apprentice.

And he goes, let's do this.

And we didn't know a damn thing about politics.

In fact, you come into the story in a meaningful way because I never forget.

I remember I read this.

I never forget getting a call from my father and he goes, honey, Megan's going to kill me

on the immigration comments or something.

He's like, I need somebody who's going to defend me on this show tonight, right?

And I go, Pop, I don't know a damn thing about, like, certainly not like, I know nothing about immigration in America.

Like, I built hotels, right?

What the hell do I know about immigration?

We hardly knew what a delegate was.

We hardly knew what a caucus was, let alone, you know, freaking anything.

And I remember I was debating on your show.

I think there were a couple of illegal immigrants on the thing.

I was like the center box.

And And I mean, if you want to talk about faking it until you make it, like, I think that was my first experience in politics with you, Megan.

And

we've built a great friendship ever since.

But I just never forget that.

And we did it as a family.

And normally the first rule of politics is keep your family the hell out of politics, right?

And hey, they certainly didn't let Hunter up on that stage.

And I think for a reason.

But

what a wild ride.

But as he was coming, did you find out who your friends were?

Yeah, at the end of that statement, he said, you know what?

We're going to find out who our true friends are.

And they are going to come after us so viciously, you have no idea.

And we found out who our true friends were.

And, you know, in The Art of the Deal, he spent a lot of time talking about the days where his phone stopped ringing.

And

wow did I learn that kind of the hard way?

I mean, we saw that in 2020.

You know, the phones just stopped ringing.

And the very few people who are around us, most of them are in the cabinet today.

I mean, that's where you really get a great test of kind of loyalty and who's there for you and who really loves you and who has backbone and spine.

But we saw days where the phones rang off the hooks, right?

You know, from people you had never heard from before.

That's every time we won an election about three seconds later.

And then you had those very dark, dark, dark, quiet days where the phones stopped ringing and

we found out who our true friends are.

I can peg every single person in my life and know exactly who they are and whether they were there for us or not.

And

it's very hard for me to forget that.

You also write about the first moment you got a call from Air Force One.

This is so fun.

There's so many great anecdotes.

The book is called Under Siege by Eric Trump.

It's out on Tuesday.

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copies.

But how cool is that and what went down?

Yeah, I got a call from Air Force One.

I got a call from a scrambled number on my phone.

I normally don't pick those up, but I figured it might be something a little...

And I picked it up and the first words that came across the phone were...

you know, Mr.

Trump, this is Commander Air Force One, the President of the United States.

And my father had already picked up the phone, so he he was already on the line.

And we both started laughing.

He goes, honey, can you freaking believe this?

Like, can you believe it?

I'm like, no, I can't quite believe it.

This is a little, you know, this is a little surreal to me.

And, and, you know, not too long after we went to Buckingham Palace, we were there with the late great queen who my father loved and we all loved and I think the whole world loved.

And we show up at Buckingham Palace, come in on Marine One.

We're waiting there, you know, for the queen.

The helicopters are taking off from these incredible immaculate lawns.

And, you know, he looks over at Don and myself.

He goes, can you freaking believe this?

Like, you know, how did we find ourselves here, right?

I mean, we were,

listen, we were really good at building buildings, right?

We were really good in the business world.

We were good at everything we did.

I mean, as I said before, I think we had been in Washington, D.C.

about 15 times.

Maybe I was in D.C.

a little bit more because I went to school there and then I built a hotel there.

But I think my father was in D.C.

like 10 times before actually becoming.

you know, you know, commander-in-chief of the United States.

This wasn't our world.

This wasn't our ecosystem.

These weren't our people.

We didn't have any, you know, we didn't have any endorsements.

I mean, you remember, Megan, I mean, how how many endorsements do we have in 2017?

Like, like Jeff Sessions and, like, maybe that's it.

I mean, we had, yeah, we had zero, and it was, it was my father, it was Don, myself, you know, like, like, that was it.

You know, we crisscrossed the planet.

You know, being the son of a president has, has its perks.

Like, when you think about, you know, the almost five years that you've been in that role so far, is there one or two, like, something that comes to mind?

Like, now that was a cool experience.

Like, that I recommend to everybody.

Yeah.

Listen, Marian One is always amazing.

You know, you fly in, you know, under the pitchiness of darkness, or you fly into a White House on the South Lawn at 2 o'clock in the morning and everything's just blacked out and you land above this, you know, the most famous building anywhere on Earth.

I mean, you could, if you could reach out the window, it feels like you could touch a Washington monument.

You're so close to it.

And, you know, the trees are blowing and everything's blacked out.

And, you know, the helicopter pilots are under the nods and everything else.

And that's a great experience.

I mean, Camp David is truly one of the most kind of incredible places that very, very, very, very few people ever get to see.

Air Force One is obviously amazing.

But I think the moment that really hit me was Arlington National Cemetery.

When he laid the wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier the first time, you're sitting up there on the top of that hill overlooking the entire city, and it's the only time Washington is quiet, right?

It is the only time as that wreath goes down the stairs and you have

the lone you know, soldier that's guarding the tomb.

And I remember that was our first entry into politics, And I go, wow, this is different.

This is different than the real estate world.

This is different than the business world.

I mean, my father has the entire world riding on his shoulders, you know, and we as the family are the first family now.

We're just, we're going to be held to a different standard.

We're going to be in the spotlight.

And

wow, was that a big moment as quiet as it was?

I mean, it was really remarkable.

It's one of those things that seared in my mind that

I'll never forget about.

Have you slept in every bedroom in the White House?

I have, and that's an interesting one.

So so so the lincoln bedroom you've seen it i'm sure you've seen it and um not in person

you haven't okay well we're gonna have to change that but um lincoln's son actually died in the bed and uh it's it's a bed that's probably the size of queen like the width of a queen but it's about three feet longer right so it must be a custom mattress and it's it's really interesting but um you have the gettysburg address and every night before you know when they do turn down service at the white house they'll put the gettysburg address on the and on the nightstand and so you're literally going to shut off the light and you know um you know four score and seven years ago, you start reading the thing and you go, oh my God, this is unique.

But on the other nightstand, on the other side of the bed, is a little oval painting that Lincoln kept

on the Oval Office desk of him and his son, the son that passed away in the bed.

He passed away, I believe, of polio or measles.

And you're sitting there saying, wow, I mean, the history is real.

And then you look around the room and you see this tall stand-up mirror and the thing is seven feet tall because obviously Lincoln was an incredibly tall guy and

it's wild.

You walk around the White House and you can date the White House based on the way the eagle's head looks in the presidential seal.

So

when it was the Department of War before my father changed to back and at a time when America was at war, the eagle's head would always look at the arrows.

And in a time of peace, the eagle's head would be turned and it would look at the olive branch.

After Truman, the eagle's head only looks at the olive branch.

They never had the eagle's head turned back.

But as you walk around the White House, you can kind of distinctly tell when certain things were built, when certain deaths were put in based on the direction of the Eagle's head.

And it's a fascinating building

that's beyond full of history.

You write in the book about another home that you guys share, of course, and where you spent half your childhood, which is Mar-a-Lago, and the infamous raid that was pursued by the FBI on your family's most intimate spaces, your little brother Baron's room.

And for you, this wasn't just the outrage that it was for all of us.

It was that, but it was deeply personal.

And you really write about that.

Think about it.

I mean, the average Americans, like, you have to think of the FBI with whom you write.

Like, your normal approach was very positive toward law enforcement.

And this was just such a game changer, the way they went in there.

I cannot imagine that violation.

Yeah, I spent a lot of time talking about that in the book because, I mean, if there was ever a siege, I mean, that was the literal siege of our home, right?

And that was deeply personal to me.

I mean, I grew up there, there, but I get a call from one of the people that run the property.

Obviously, I run every Trump property, right?

I run the Trump organization, and they call me up.

They go, boss, there's 30 FBI agents here with a search warrant.

I go, a search warrant?

Why would the FBI be here with a search warrant?

And by the way, why am I not hearing about this from Secret Service who I have around me, right?

It didn't make any sense.

And I go, you know, and they literally told me they're coming in the gate.

They have a search warrant.

I said, can you ask them to wait one minute?

We have a lawyer that lives down the street.

I'll get them over there.

We'll figure out exactly what's going on.

No, and they're demanding that you turn off every single security camera.

now obviously a commercial property like mar-a-lago has a lot of security cameras like i'm telling them i'm not turning off the security cameras why why in the world would i turn off the security cameras and and they sat there and they ransacked mar-a-lago for hours and hours and i asked them i go does my father know about this and everybody was just silent i go i'll call him now and so we met in his office we we wrote up that tweet that became so famous you know right now the fbi is raiding mar-a-lago The FBI went absolutely nuts when that tweet went out.

They go, how dare you?

How dare you leak this to the media?

I mean, effectively, the message was, how dare you beat us at our own game, which is, you know, and instantly, attorney.

We're here to embarrass you.

Of course.

And instead, we embarrass them.

And my father took it right to them, and he did so instantly.

And it was amazing.

And

I'll never forget that.

I'll never forget that.

And then the aftermath of this, obviously, they took HIPAA records.

They took medical records protected under HIPAA.

They took my father's, all of his attorney client stuff, right?

So every legal document that he had with attorneys, right?

So they violated that.

That really pissed off the judge, by the way, as you you can probably imagine.

They took his passports.

They went through Melania's closet.

They went through Barron's room.

I mean, they were unrelenting.

And then in the aftermath, we find out that Jack Smith was planting classified folders on the carpet.

Remember those perfectly orchestrated photo shoots where everything's fanned out?

Like my father just leaves classified folders, just perfectly fanned out on a beautiful carpet in the middle of his office.

My father's a little bit more anal retentive than that, right?

That's not really his style.

And, you know, and yet, you know, they admit later on that they planted those folders and conveniently took these photo shoots.

And this was the siege.

I mean, they wanted to do anything they could to indict him, to imprison him, to bankrupt him, to silence him.

I mean, think about all the gag orders.

I mean, I became the guy who was standing out front on the steps of the New York courthouse, shouting at the top of my lungs because I was only gagged in about three quarters of the cases.

There's a couple of the cases I wasn't quite gagged in.

And so I became the de facto spokesperson who was out there yelling because my father couldn't have a voice because during the middle of a presidential campaign,

the judge whose daughter worked for the Democratic Party decided to gag order my father and not allow him to speak and defend himself, yet no one else was gag ordered.

I mean, this is the hell that they put us through, Megan.

And, you know, I want the world to know, you know, kind of how fragile, you know, how fragile it can be.

Like, you know,

we live in the greatest country in the world, the greatest economy.

We have the greatest

rule of law.

And yet it's still challenged every single day.

And honestly, it breaks my heart for countries around the world that don't have the system that we have, as corrupted as our system got throughout this whole process.

I mean, could you imagine other countries around the world?

I mean, it's

our foundation is still strong.

It gives you full appreciation for what people deal with all over the world.

What about that, Eric?

Let me ask you about the so-called law fair, right?

Tish James, James Comey.

First, let me ask you this.

Would you have liked to have seen a James Comey mugshot?

like your dad had to submit to?

Well, you know, the mugshot was like the greatest thing that ever happened to us.

You know, we raised a function off of that thing.

And by the way, it took every inner city community and made them all 100% Trump because they said, listen, like they've done this to us for the last five decades, right?

Now they're doing it to this guy.

I actually like him.

You know, the

iconic.

The enemy of your enemy is your friend, right?

Isn't that the famous saying?

It's exactly what happened there.

And so

I don't wish poor on anybody.

I really don't.

Comey was, in my opinion, a criminal what he was doing.

I want FBI directors in this country to keep planes from flying into buildings, not sit there leaking memos all day to the New York Times.

And

man, was his priorities messed up.

They were horrible.

And I think you saw the consequences in the country.

I mean.

And so you're not feeling sad about Tish James having to go through this process single tier.

You and Laura don't sit at night saying, oh,

such a nice person.

Why should this happen to her?

You know what?

I wish no one the hell that I went through based on her actions, which were overturned 5-0 by the appellate courts, as as you mentioned before.

I mean, you know, finding us $600 million when your lenders are on the stand saying that we're the best customers they've ever had, the best borrowers they've ever had.

It was like you're in a make-believe land.

It felt like you were in some crazy, evil fairy tale.

It didn't make any sense.

And

again, as I said before, they often dig so deep that they find themselves.

And that's what happened with her.

You want to live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Isn't that kind of how life generally works?

And again, I don't wish the pain and and suffering of our employees, of the lack of sleep that I had for a four-year period of time on anybody.

But, you know, the great irony that she apparently did exactly what she was accusing us of doing is nothing short of

remarkable.

It's truly like literary the way it's coming down.

Today, Eric, by the way, we're talking to Eric Trump.

The book is called Under Siege.

It hits Tuesday.

Get it now before the rush so you can make sure you have it in hand.

It's a great read.

It's deeply personal.

One of my favorite things is he reveals the Secret Service code names for the whole family from Trump on down.

You'll have to read the book.

I don't want to spoil it here, but they all begin with the letter M, which is interesting.

But here we are.

It is October 10th, and that means we are exactly one month from the day our friend Charlie Kirk was killed.

And I wonder how that's affected you as somebody whose dad was shot in the head.

You know, a year, not even a year and a half ago.

My God.

I mean, it's like 15 months ago.

This happened to your dad.

the three Trump lovers who were at the rally and Butler, who also got shot, one of whom is dead.

And then you see this happen to poor Charlie, such a dear ally to your dad, and obviously most likely a future president himself on our side, you know.

Here's a picture of the two of you together.

You knew him well.

Your thoughts on it one month out.

Listen, I knew him well.

He was a good friend.

I remember when he was 21 years old, he came into the Trump organization.

He told me all the plans of what he was going to do at Turning Point, and he achieved every single one of them.

And I was almost almost rolling my eyes at the time because the aspiration was so large, so large for such a young guy at the time, talking about changing every student body on every college campus around the country.

And

it's all part of the siege, right?

That's what they wanted.

They think they could cut the head off the tiger and

eliminate this powerful movement.

And what they actually got is the exact opposite of that.

They only amplified the movement.

They only pissed off.

I mean, when you have 1.3 million people walking across a London Bridge, when you have

marches marches of solidarity in Pretoria, South Africa, in honor of Charlie Kirk,

they made Charlie bigger than he's ever been.

When you have 100,000, over 100,000 applications for turning point chapters

at high schools and colleges and other universities around the country.

I mean, wow.

I mean,

they martyred him, but wow will his legacy live on.

But Megan, he was a dear friend of mine.

I was all over the place with Charlie and watching the videos of blood spewing out the neck of a dear friend of mine like that, it's unthinkable.

And you better believe that was deja vu to Butler, Pennsylvania.

And I spend a lot of time talking about Butler in the book because I'm pissed off.

I'm not satisfied with the answer there.

And like, you know, like, I want to put that out to the world.

I'm not satisfied.

We know nothing about this guy.

We've never gotten into his phones.

We got into the phones of every January 6th protester.

You know, every grandmother who decided to take a picture, a selfie in the Capitol.

But yet a guy who tried to take out the 45th president of the United States, we've seen one picture of the guy and he was cremated about five days later.

Again, I'm not a tinfoil hat-wearing guy, but I'm pissed off.

How did somebody get on a rooftop 130 yards away from a former president and very likely to be future president of the United States?

I'm pissed.

Yeah, it's all there.

The book is emotional in great ways.

I mean, the Trumps infamously separate themselves from their emotions thanks to the way they were raised.

But what I mean is it's forthcoming on how you felt in these moments that we all watched you go through.

One of the many reasons why it really is a page turner.

It's called Under Siege and and Eric Trump gets real.

Thank you so much for coming on and promoting it here.

Great honor to be on, Megan.

You take care of yourself.

Wow.

Good luck to you and your whole family, of course.

And we'll see you in Miami.

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And all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am canceling one stop on this tour.

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Walter, welcome back.

Well, thank you.

And I have an apology to make.

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And there were three messages from your staff.

Where the heck are you?

Oh, no.

From Midwestern Boy Scout, former Mormon type like me, I wanted to commit Harry Kerry, like fall on my sword, chop my own head off.

You are so sweet.

No apology necessary.

It happens.

We should have been all over you, such to the point where that could not have happened.

So it was mutual aid.

There was no way to get to me.

I was out among the grizzly bears and the mountain lions walking in the Montana wilderness.

Well, do not give it a second thought.

We're thrilled that you are here now and that you come on at all.

Okay, we have such goodness.

I don't even know where to start, but I think we have to start with the Virginia gubernatorial debate.

It was so good.

We weren't weren't really even paying that close of attention to this debate up until recently when, like, the lunatic attorney general put out how we wanted to, we found out he wanted to kill Republican children.

And that kind of got our attention.

And then it's just, it's not looking good for Winsome Sears, though it's getting better and better.

Now it's within two points.

The other gal, Spamberger, had had a seven-point lead.

So Spamberger, who's billing herself and actually kind of has been a more moderate Democrat.

I mean, there's only so moderate any Democrat is in today's day and age, but at least this woman stood up against the defund the police thing when she was in Congress and that that was happening in Washington.

And now she's running for Virginia governor because Glenn Young has to get out.

They have a term limit there.

It's crazy.

It's like four years, then you got to get out.

And unfortunately, Virginia appears ready to go blue, or at least it did before this race really got turned topsy-turvy thanks to those Attorney General texts about killing Republicans and their children, which he's totally in favor of.

His name is Jay Jones.

So last night, not surprisingly, that issue was front and center.

She's running against Youngkin's

Lieutenant Governor, Winsom Sears.

And let's just go through the soundbites because they're so good.

Let's start with number seven, where the moderator, by the way, also did a very good job on pressing Spamberger about Jay Jones and whether she's still supporting his run for AG.

Here's how that went.

I didn't hear an answer there on the endorsement issue, so I want to just make sure.

Will you continue to endorse Jay Jones to be the next Attorney General of Virginia?

And were you aware of these text messages before they released?

You have 30 seconds.

In fact, it appears that it was

those who released the text messages and held them for years.

So the public was unaware who had knowledge of these text messages for many hours.

You do a message.

I learned

these text messages the day that they came out, and I denounced them as soon as I learned of them.

Denounces Murder.

More importantly,

at this point, as we move forward, the voters now have this information, information that was withheld for them.

You're running for a moment.

Presumably, for

affairs placed reasons.

But the voters now have the information.

Ms.

Member, I understand what you're saying about the voters, but for you yourself, do you still continue to endorse Jay Jones?

15 seconds.

Yes or no?

We are all running our individual races.

I believe my opponent has said that about

Lieutenant Governor.

We just want to clarify, you know, what you're saying is that as of now, you still endorse Jay Jones as Attorney General.

I'm saying as of now, it's up to every voter to make their own individual decision.

You're a coward.

You're a disgusting coward.

All you have to say is, no,

I don't stand by my endorsement.

I hadn't seen those texts.

I hope he runs his race.

It's going to be up to the voters as to whether they want him as their AG.

But no, I do not stand by my endorsement now that I've learned the full picture of who this man is.

She wouldn't do it, Walter.

I'm mystified.

What prevents her from doing it?

Is there some pact?

Is there some pact that they make that, you know, some evil pact to all go down or rise together?

We just fell down another flight of stairs into hell

by even tolerating this guy for five seconds.

Because

this isn't just rhetoric.

Rhetoric is something aimed at the public.

This was a revelation of his feelings and his backstage personality.

You know, just as we've seen with Katie Porter, you know, her suddenly go, get out of my shot and stop being the sort of measured vice principal lady that she pretends to be.

We saw behind the scenes here.

And as someone who wrote a book, and I'm quite serious, about a psychopathic killer who was a friend of mine and who disguised himself for many years.

You get very few.

What's the name of that book?

Blood Will Out.

It's about a man who

literally we all need to read it.

Yeah, you really do.

And it gives me great insight into the sociopathic mind.

And sociopaths have a belief that that which is hidden isn't real.

And that which is public is real and only that.

But this guy,

somebody who knew him, somebody who was concerned, somebody who didn't want to do it and waited, finally felt a pang of conscience and showed us the behind the scenes reality of this man.

And that we laugh that off and that we just pass it on and we don't require straight answers about it means

in an age of assassinations.

It's one thing if this had come out five years, but this is very germane at this point.

Shows that

we've lost not just our way, but maybe become monstrous ourselves.

Really good point.

Like the timeliness of it.

At any point in history, it would have been wrong not to denounce, but right now you can't denounce it.

Right now, you want to, with a wink and a nod, suggest you're fine with it.

And he's only running, he's only running to be achieved.

And then let's think about his job.

His job is to prosecute criminals.

Is he going to do that very selectively?

Or is he, you know,

I can see somebody, some murderer sitting up in court after being sentenced and screaming at the judge, you know, the man who put me here wants to kill people too.

Yeah.

You know,

I think it was

Eric Erickson, who's a, he's got his JD and he's a radio host as well down in Atlanta and a conservative commentator for a long, long time.

Great guy.

He was making the point on X today.

I'm going to butcher it a little, but it was to the effect of down in Georgia, you know, you had a race for governor involving Herschel Walker, who had all these personal allegations against him, which were not good.

But at least in his case, they all preceded when he got help for these issues.

And so he had a past, but it really genuinely was the past.

And voters voted Republican up and down the ticket in Georgia, but not for him, for U.S.

Senator, not for him.

They drew the line, those Georgian Georgian voters did.

And he talked about, I think it was Roy Moore in Alabama, same thing.

They were like, no, this is a conservative red state, but no, we have standards.

And he was saying,

in Virginia, will you do the same?

Even if you vote for Spanberger for governor, which you shouldn't,

and a Republican lieutenant governor, sorry, a Democrat lieutenant governor, do you actually feel comfortable putting this guy in your state's top law enforcement post?

or will you hold the line on what is decent, just a bare level of decency?

The answer is no.

We already know the answer.

That murder, that assassination has become a political wedge issue is insane.

Um, uh, I can see them going around with one of those shows of hands at a big debate when there are like eight candidates.

Like, now, which of you here

condemns political assassination if it's of uh Republicans and MAGA

right-wing types.

And they all sort of hesitate to put up their hands because at this point, they're playing to their constituency.

Obviously, the guy doesn't fear a backlash among his constituency.

He probably has gotten secret applause for it.

My question to him at a debate would be: okay, we know that you fantasize about murdering children.

How close have you ever come to doing it?

What's the line with you?

Is it just something you use to entertain yourself and your friends?

Or do you actually consider doing it at times?

You'd have to go through it with him.

You texted that you had talked to her before about your penchant for wanting to murder Republicans.

Clearly, there was an earlier conversation.

He's now denying that it was, as she claimed, his texting partner, who was a Republican moderate in the Virginia State House.

She says it was a conversation in which he said he wanted to see cops get shot.

And I totally believe her.

I believe believe every word she's saying and I don't believe his denial.

But in any event, when you picked up the conversation about now shooting the Republican House speaker at the time in the head with two bullets,

that was doubling down on your earlier sentiments about wanting to see cops shot dead, right?

Like, how did your thinking evolve?

And then when you picked her up the phone to call her and tripled down on the messaging and she hung up on you, what made you then text more about wanting to see the children die and their their mother?

I mean, like, just walking through it, you could completely eviscerate the guy just by sticking to his words.

Here was Winsom Sears getting in on the action, you know, trying to make it a debate where she got to ask her own opponent some of these questions in SOT 8.

Why my opponent won't say beyond its abhorrent and disgusting why she won't say it is not okay

and that he must leave the race because Jay Jones advocated the murder, Abigail, the murder of a man, a former speaker, as well as his children who were two years, two and five years old.

You have little girls.

Would it take him pulling the trigger?

Is that what would do it?

And then you would say he needs to get out of the race, Abigail?

You have nothing to say?

Abigail.

What if he said it about your two children, your three children?

Is that when you would say he should get out of the race, Abigail?

You're running to be governor.

Okay, that whole thing is so awful.

She's brave standing there.

And

just for listening audience, Abigail is looking straight ahead.

Winsom is to her left, and she's staring at her, saying, Abigail, Abigail.

And Abigail will not even look at her and obviously will not answer either.

Go ahead, Walter.

Well, we had...

a Minnesota state legislative leader murdered at home just a couple of months ago.

Remember that?

Yeah.

This is not a fanciful scenario whatsoever.

And

also,

if she admits it's abhorrent, then she needs to explain why people who are abhorrent should be attorney general.

I mean, she needs to take it a little further.

The problem here is reflexive loyalty to party over any other value in society.

And that's where we're getting.

And

once it reflects his loyalty at any cost, then you essentially have war.

Maybe not hot war, but you've got war.

Because the whole idea of politics is that you're finding little pieces of overlap or you're negotiating what you want

versus what they want, and you're each giving a little.

But when it's ultimate like this, it may as well just be a cage match.

Let's just see you go at it.

You know, I'm reminded, Walter, of what my old therapist said to me.

After I got out of my first marriage, I was seeing a therapist.

She was very helpful to me when it came to relationships.

I call her my lady Amy.

I write about her in my memoir and I really loved her.

She changed my life.

And we were talking about dating men and I was newly out on the single scene.

And I, I don't know, I'd gone out on like a date or something.

And I was like, I don't know.

I'm not, this guy's this way and he's that way.

And she she said to me, put this one back on the shelf.

Put this one back on the shelf.

And I was like, oh, what do you mean?

And she, she goes, there are lots of them.

There are lots of them.

And I was like, what do you mean?

No, there aren't.

And she was like, no, no, there are lots of them.

And she was so right.

Cause then later I met Doug and he was such a catch.

And thank God I didn't, you know, keep that one off the shelf who I had started with.

And my point is, I look at their holding on to this Jay Jones, and they could take my lady Amy's advice.

Put this one back on the shelf.

There are lots of them.

Your party will go on if it maintains some basic standard of decency.

But I mean, if you are going to ask Virginia voters to make this guy who wanted to see a Republican get shot in the head just because he's team red, along with his babies, in their mother's arms, you are sullying your brand to the point of no return.

He's got to go back on the shelf.

Save yourselves.

Why they don't get that, Walter?

I don't know.

Or maybe it's just that blind party loyalty you always see among the Democrats.

I'll give you a couple of more nuggets of wisdom from my study, a close-up study of psychopathy.

And I'm not shy about calling this that.

It's not that he wants to see that person die or that children, those two children die.

He wants to see people die.

He wants to see death.

He wants to see violence.

That's how he thinks.

And

the truth is, that isn't a thinker.

That is an emotional basket case.

But people fear these people.

And I think, strangely, one of the reasons this guy's going to get away with it is the people around him are afraid of him.

We don't know the rest of his profile.

He could be a very aggressive, you know, look at this Katie Porter.

No one would want to spend her time.

I promise you.

No one would want to spend five seconds in a room with her, but they're intimidating.

Well, actually, we want to get to know her better.

I want to have a pillow fight with her

with bricks in my pillow.

But there I am confessing my own psychopathic tendencies.

That's what we call a joke.

That's not what he was doing.

But what I'm saying is sometimes these politicians.

are very scary people.

They're threatening people.

You get behind the scenes and they're much more like mob bosses or, you know, gang leaders than they are out in front.

We've seen that in many movies.

And I have a feeling this guy is somebody who, though maybe not popular and beloved, is somebody they don't want to mess with.

It's so ironic.

The left for the past five plus years has been using that term dehumanized at every turn.

I feel dehumanized by what you said.

I'm dehumanized because you didn't post a black square on the day when you were celebrating BLM.

Microaggressions.

You smile too much.

But this guy can actually put in writing, I mean, like, anybody who sends a text like that to a member of the other party, the one who you want to see assassinated, obviously knows they're taking a risk.

This is not like a safe communication.

She stopped him in the texting.

She hung up on him on the phone call.

Like, he wanted her to hear how much she wants to kill Republicans.

You will listen to me.

So, this guy, there's something wrong with him, and it is dehumanizing in a dangerous way.

That's my hypothesis that there's a pathological syndrome at work here.

You know, it's wanting to play chicken, it's wanting to go right to the edge, it's wanting to almost get caught.

He not, yeah, he not only said it to the

worst thing, he said it to the worst person you could say it to.

And

he's daring people.

He's daring people.

He was daring the gubernatorial candidate to dismiss him or denounce him.

And she froze.

She didn't do it.

Frankly, she looked scared because she did.

Because the fact is, to show leadership, you want to show confidence.

But this was too much for her.

The issue was one she didn't want to address.

You called her a coward instantly, and that's exactly what she is.

But what is a coward?

A coward is someone who fears something more than they fear the right thing, than they fear doing the right thing.

And what is it that she fears?

I really want to know.

Maybe him.

There's no good outcome.

It's either she's genuinely afraid of him and she's staying silent, what, so that he can be elevated to attorney general, or she's just more worried about her political hide than she is about elevating this psychopath to this position.

Either way, it's terrible, right?

Either way, she's worried about her political hide or her actual hide.

I mean, Bill Clinton went against, you know,

what was her name?

Sister Soldier.

Sister Soldier.

I mean, for less than than this uh a good southern politician

would get up on the soapbox and say this capital sin of murder is something that is very serious and i will not stand behind this you know sinful and awful in the old days they at least used to pretend in that sort of

you know televangelical way to be moral people

now now they stand there absolutely petrified that somehow they'll offend the other zombie killers in the audience and in their party.

It's so easy.

All she would have to do is say, I'm deeply horrified by those texts.

I endorsed him when I did not know about them.

Obviously, no, my endorsement does not stand.

And I'm going to leave it at that because now it's between the Virginia voters and Jay Jones.

And you guys can vote your consciences.

But when it comes to me, this is what I stand for.

That's what she should have said.

You do not stand by the endorsement.

And now it's up to the Virginia voters.

That's it.

You don't have to tell them how to vote, but you have to withdraw your endorsement for a man who wants Republican children dead.

You fucker.

It's so clear.

It's just infuriating.

Now, she's a coward, and her inability to even look at Winston Sears when she's speaking to her was infuriating too.

I've got to say, even though I'd vote for Winston Sears in a second, I don't know how effective it was for her to keep saying, Abigail, Abigail, Abigail.

It was weird.

She wasn't showing power in her own right.

I much would have preferred her to say,

you've asked her three times now to denounce this guy and withdraw her endorsement.

Speak to the moderator.

Speak to the audience.

She won't do it.

You know, this is why she won't do it.

But Winsom Sears looked kind of weak too.

Good people are at a disadvantage when they're arguing with psychopaths because

they can't believe it's happening.

They haven't, there's no script for it.

They can't prepare for it.

Wait, I'm sitting here in front of the state of Virginia trying to get somebody to denounce

fantasies of murdering children in her attorney general and her chief law enforcement officer.

Huh?

They don't teach you that in college.

People are at a disadvantage when they argue with psychopaths.

That could be the title of a book.

That's so good.

Let me give you another one.

She, the other problem with the spam burger, though she's, quote, moderate on BLM, meaning she would like police funded.

Great.

Thanks so much.

She's not moderate on the trans issue.

She totally wants boys and girls' sports.

She and Sears are diametrically opposed to one another on that point.

And she also wants boys going into girls' rooms,

you know, meaning locker rooms and bathrooms.

This is a big issue in Virginia.

This is like, it was this race that the woman held up the sign at a Winson Sears rally saying if boys can't go in their bathrooms of choice, maybe you can't come to white lunch counters.

It was something very racist.

I don't remember the exact phraseology, but it was trying to bring back up that era.

And here Abigail Spanberger gets asked about whether boys should be allowed in girls' bathrooms in SOT 9.

More cowardice.

Should transgender girls who are biological males be allowed to use girls' bathrooms and play on girls' sports teams in K through 12?

You have 15 seconds to clarify.

In cases across Virginia, I think it's incumbent upon parents and educators and administrators in each local community to make decisions

locally.

Would you rescind the Yunkin administration policy requiring boys and girls to use bathrooms aligning with their biological sex?

You have 30 seconds.

My priority would be to ensure that local communities, importantly, parents and teachers,

educators,

are able to work together to meet the unique needs of each school and each community.

Ms.

Van Berger, the question was:

Should the young, would you rescind the Yunkin administration policy requiring boys and girls to use bathrooms aligning with their biological sex?

You have 15 seconds to clarify that question.

Yes, sir.

And my answer is that in each local community, decisions should be made between parents and educators and teachers.

So, yes, she will rescind it.

I thought that kind of

legalistic blah, blah, blah was out of the window in politics since Donald Trump.

I thought whether people like him or not, they at least were refreshed by some straight talk from politicians.

And that looks like something from the 1980s, some kind of terrible training that you get to just keep repeating educators.

Trying to twist twist yourself into a pretzel.

Oh, I don't want to say that I'm going to rescind the very popular Youngkin executive order keeping boys out of girl spaces, but I love seeing the boys in the girl spaces.

I'm just too much of a P-word to say it up here on this stage.

That's what we were witnessing.

She seems like a person without an actual personality who,

you know, who doesn't read her own books or come up with her own opinions, some complete instrument of her party, and who's been told to run out the clock and, you know, absolutely, in the old sense, make no mistakes.

But she looks to me like one big mistake because she's the most artificial, scripted,

stiff, and unhappy looking human being I've seen for a long time.

She is the most inept politician.

She is the opposite of a leader.

How could our Virginia friends even be considering putting this person in after Glenn Youngkin?

I beg you, beg you, beg you.

If you are listening to this show in Virginia, vote for Winsom Sears.

Vote Republican up and down the line.

You cannot have that feckless idiot leading your Commonwealth.

Don't do it.

I'm sorry, but this is like a five-alarm fire.

That absolute moron.

is leading in the polls.

Now, they got tighter even before this debate.

The last poll I saw, I showed it within two.

And I pray to dear Jesus that it flips now so that Sears is winning.

This is, I don't live in Virginia.

I don't really have a personal stake, although I do have family there.

But you cannot let this absolute moron win your gubernatorial house.

You cannot do it.

There's one more.

It just didn't go well for Spanberger last night.

She was asked about recreational marijuana legalization.

It's another issue.

She did the thing you're talking about, Walter, the 1980s politician, dodge and weave and filler and word salad, just trying to confuse you so that you don't know what the hell you just heard.

She's for it.

She's for it and she's against it.

And

when it works, it works well.

When it doesn't work, it doesn't work well.

Local people should have the ability to decide.

It's a big question, blah, blah, blah.

No, it's like I used to work with this PR guy who I actually love, and he had the funniest lines.

And I remember him saying something like, I'm like, oh, you know, what should I do about this?

Or how should I handle this?

And he was like, you'll come up with it.

But whatever it is, I believe in it.

Whatever it is, I believe in it.

That's basically her,

whatever I'm going to do, I believe in it.

And Winsom Sears called her out.

Listen to SAT 10.

It's important that there be transparency in what is available on the market.

It is extraordinarily important that we have transparency and that there is a clear market in order to be enforced because it is in the absence of an open and clear and

extraordinarily transparent market that law enforcement is not able

to do what you're saying.

Ms.

Bay, time is up.

She's the blonde Kamala Harris.

She's a different kind of Kamala Harris.

Kamala tries to emote and give you a sense that she has feelings.

She doesn't even play that game.

I mean,

she's as

warm and fuzzy as a Ginsu knife.

But the problem also there is she clings to words as though they're her security animal.

Transparency, if I say that three times

with no real apparent link to the marijuana issue,

I'll get through this.

How did this woman make it anywhere into politics?

How did she become a U.S.

Congressperson?

I mean, not that the the bar is high but i just mean she's so inept okay i gotta keep going

did she not sort of come from the deep state or something like that i mean what is her background um no just know she was a u.s congressperson from virginia then and she was one of the more moderate ones she was the only thing people know her for is she was caught on tape there was that infamous tape of democrats after

was it after the 2020 election but she was saying stop saying defund the police and she was right about that because she was from a southern state and she was trying to speak to this Democrat caucus.

All right, enough time on that.

She gives me a hostage, a hostage vibe that

the big people in the background behind the curtain are depending on her not to screw up because she's got to deliver that office.

That makes sense to me.

I didn't even say a word about the wardrobe because I'm feeling nice today.

So I'm just going to leave it at that.

Google it.

You can check it out for yourself what she was wearing to that debate.

I've got thoughts today.

I'm keeping them to to myself.

I do want to say the moderators, I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw a lot of the clips, did a good job.

They were from Wavy10, an NBC affiliate station owned by Nexstar.

They were Tom Schad and Deanna Albritton.

And from what I saw, they did a very good job.

I mean, that was very solid how they kept following up.

Even though it was a Democrat, good job.

That's the way it should go.

All right.

I have to take a break and then we have got to come back.

We got Katie Porter to get to.

We got Jimmy Kimmel who's not sorry at all.

And we've got that jerk, Trevor Noah,

just

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He really wanted to have a laugh at the expense of Charlie Kirk as we approach the one month point of his assassination.

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Walter Kern is back with me.

Do you want to tell you that the reason I almost missed air today is because I went down to D.C.

yesterday to see my pal Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, and participate in an event honoring him last night at the Kennedy Center.

He was awarded the Great American Exceptionalism Award

by the nonprofit Nespoint Foundation.

There I am with Pete and his beautiful wife, Jen, backstage.

And I saw my old friend Harris Faulkner from Fox News and had a great time.

Met Tyler Kirsch, met Ann Wilson, these great musical acts who performed, very talented young musicians.

So it was a beautiful night.

And the Kennedy Center is back.

And it is wonderful.

Honestly, it was in full form last night.

I'd never been down there, but we all had a great time.

It was great to see Pete.

He's doing so well.

And he and Jen are just an adorable couple so that's what i was doing there we'll post the pictures on our instagram and at megankelly.com if you want to see them and you're not listening or you're not able to watch it on youtube right now okay let's keep going katie porter

you and i need to know her like i feel like we would do well with her i feel like there'd be a lot to go over i want her at my next cocktail party i don't want to work for her or for her to be my governor but i definitely want her at like a a dinner party and then i want someone to needle her

who wouldn't want to witness this walter she of course

let's just play it again because it's just so fun um we've got do we have like a little shorter yeah we have a little shortened version of it we'll watch a little shortened version version of katie porter with the cbs reporter julie watts

What do you say to the 40% of California voters who you'll need in order to win?

Who voted for Trump?

How would I need them in order to win, man?

Well, unless you think you're going to get 60% of the vote.

You think you'll get 60%.

All of you who did not vote for Trump will vote for you.

That's what you're saying.

In a general election?

Yes.

You just said you don't need those Trump voters.

Well, you asked me if I needed them to win.

So you don't need to win.

I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative.

What is your question?

The question is, what do you say to the 40% of voters who voted for Trump?

Oh, I'm happy to say that.

It's the do you need them to win part that I don't understand.

I'm happy to answer the the question as you have it written and I'll answer it.

And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win?

And you're saying, no, you don't.

No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can.

And what I'm saying to you is that.

Well, to those voters.

Okay, so you...

I don't want to keep doing this.

I'm going to call it.

Thank you.

You're not going to do the interview with us.

Nope, not like this.

I'm not.

Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask.

Every other candidate has answered.

I don't care.

I don't care.

I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation with you ask me about every issue on this list.

This is news.

And if every question, you're going to make up a follow-up question, then we're never going to get there.

And we're just going to circle around.

I am an excited person.

I've never had to do this before, ever.

You've never had to have a conversation with me.

To end an interview.

Okay, but every other candidate has done this.

What part of, I'm me.

I'm me.

I'm running for governor because I'm a leader.

I don't want to have

a unhappy experience with you.

And I don't want this all on camera.

I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you either.

Oh, boy.

It broke down into group therapy there at the end.

What I loved about Katie Porter is she's so unappealing.

She starts out in a confrontational posture.

You know, she uses her hands as though she wants to push the other person off the edge of the boat.

boat basically but she also believes the audience is with her she keeps turning to the camera like can you believe this and and and we're all looking at her going, we can't believe you, lady.

I want this to be a pleasant experience.

Ma'am, you're in a McDonald's.

It's truly like, this is news, madam.

You're running for governor.

No one ever promised you pleasant.

Do you understand how interviews work?

If you've ever wondered what the person on the other end of the phone when you call the IRS is like, that's who it is.

It's her.

Yeah, it's her.

She is

bureaucracy in a dress.

All this stuff is breaking about her.

It's blowing my mind.

I love it.

Like, I'm refreshing Twitter 25 times a day.

Politico dropped this one.

There's a couple we have today.

And then we went, we took a deep dive into her divorce records, which are fascinating too.

I mean, it's not just her divorce records, but she's got a long history with some men that doesn't go well.

She is on video in July 2021 trying to do some taped piece with Jennifer Granholm.

And they're not live on the air.

so a staffer apparently felt comfortable getting in the background of katie's hit because she had things she wanted katie to know i guess i what here's i'll just let it play out watch sat 11

that we're gonna lose more than half a million californians dying prematurely to air pollution and other problems

get out of my shop i wanted to tell you that that's actually incorrect it's it's not that it's electric vehicles it's that if we don't make the commitments under the paris climate accord okay it does okay you also were in my shot before that

stay out she was of my shot okay i'm gonna start again with um electric vehicles saving us money perfect right okay

what what what's so amazing about that is here she's he she's pretending up front that she cares about people dying because of pollution and the lack of electric vehicles she's telling us you know it's the welfare of the people that matter but then suddenly we see her real priority in life.

How she, you know, her fucking shot.

And so, I mean, again, there are movies that end like this, where a politician or a preacher or a movie star who's gotten almost to the top suddenly gets a hot mic and reveals their true self.

And that's usually the climax of the movie and the person is ruined.

But not anymore, apparently.

And also the lady in the back, the lady in the back was used to this abuse.

You could tell.

she didn't jump or anything.

She's like, oh, fucking, you know, I get a hundred times a day.

She just stood there.

She was, you know, it's just another day at Katie's.

Here's what's so funny to me.

Like,

Katie Porter was not wrong.

The staffer should not have gotten in the shot.

If Abby ever did that to me, I'd be like, yo, Abs, what's going on?

You know, we're trying to do something with Jennifer Grandholm, but she can't control her temper, even though she knows she's on camera camera and she's speaking to Jennifer Granholm, right, of Michigan.

Was she in the administration yet at that point?

I'm trying to remember my timing.

Yeah, she had already become energy secretary.

So she like, you don't want to humiliate yourself in front of important people.

And she

blew a gasket.

She can't control it.

And so now we find out this is post,

post having gone through anger management classes, Walter.

This is the anger.

Who put her in anger management?

The divorce court?

The judge, because of the divorce.

It was very brutal.

I'll get to that.

But she's already at this point been through the anger management.

It didn't work.

Well, we don't know how bad she was before.

Maybe this is successful.

Maybe this is a success story.

You know, maybe she used to yell at everybody for everything, and now it's just down to getting in her shot.

Wow.

So you know, you know that

this is wide and widespread.

Here's another one that's making the rounds.

She's trying to do

a shot.

I think she says she's backstage at, is it Kimmel?

Where is she?

She's where?

Cuomo.

Cuomo.

Okay, she's backstage at Cuomo.

And she's trying to do some sort of a hit from backstage.

And she's not happy with

the lighting.

She really now in her defense.

She would benefit from nice lighting, but she's she's really particular about it.

And here's how that went in 2021 SOT 14.

Oh, yes, this is why I didn't want to do.

I need the lights off, the bright lights.

I'm so sorry, but I am about to get on.

Bernard, I need you to turn these off.

These that are killing me.

Hang on one second, everybody.

No, we should put the computer above on the show.

Yes, yes, we should have.

Yes.

Okay, everybody, I'm not that dark.

That's too dark.

She's totally blacked out now.

Just a minute.

Yeah.

Oh, we probably should have dealt with the computer late before.

Yes, yes, yes, we should.

She's deceiving Walter.

Okay, this serial killer, I wrote a book about.

After he was sentenced to life imprisonment, I was given a chance to go in the back of the courtroom and interview him for my book before he was taken off to jail.

And he was a documentary was being made about him by a German TV channel.

And look, this guy's just gotten sentenced for cutting two people up and burying them.

And he's about to go off in life in prison.

And he gives this last interview.

And in the middle of it, he says, is this my best side?

Oh my God.

And

I tell you, people who are whose minds are this preoccupied with how they are seeming from the outside

at incredibly important moments are

not like you and me.

I mean, Megan, obviously, you're, you know, you're a beautiful and successful journalist who knows what lighting is.

Even you're not like that, though.

I don't think.

I wouldn't have allowed myself in that first interview with the CBS investigative reporter to have been shot in the dark with weird blue lights coming out of my neck the way she was.

I think I would have noticed that.

But yeah,

she's got a history of worrying very much about how she appears on camera and then not getting good results despite her worries.

That's what we see with Katie Porter.

She's obsessed with how the shot looks and it never looks good.

She's obsessed with how she looks, same results,

and she is very much to blame everybody else.

I've got obsessed enough with how she looks.

Well, I mean,

I'm not saying a personal trainer should force his way into her life, but you know, maybe so.

Well, there's something interesting about it because, like, this, this video of her walking in a Batman Batwoman outfit from 2019 is making the rounds.

She was celebrating something bad happening to Trump.

It was the first impeachment vote or something.

She was

very anti-Trump.

And she decided to wear her Bat girl costume to Congress.

It was Halloween.

But I'm just like, there's something aggressive about this outfit.

I'm going to show it.

Congressman Reporter.

This Alfred gets very short.

Could you pay for the Green New Deal?

Can we replay it?

Just replay it because there's something going on in the front there, too.

Does Alfred get minimum wage?

There.

If you return the Batmobile, could you pay for the Green New Deal?

All right, so I'm just going to say, forgive me.

Oh, she was really short.

I wear the Spanks.

I wear the Spanks.

I pull them up.

It's like, I understand.

I get it after a certain age.

You know, like, we've had some kids.

But there's something aggressive about this outfit here.

Like, she's like one of these leftists who wants to lean into making unattractive decisions because they think it's somehow empowering rather than like telegraphing personal dignity and

like grooming and

like appropriate nips and tucks, like a pair of spanks I'm talking about.

And I think this is part of her unhappiness.

Like, I think her physical manifestation is reflecting a deep-seated unhappiness inside Walter because now,

now we're going to get to what is being reported via the Daily Mail about a long and troubled love life.

She has an ex-husband.

They wrote this in November of 2024.

He accuses her of having dumped boiling potatoes on his head, scalding his scalp,

said he was too dumb to have a cell phone, and of calling him a fucking slob, among other things.

He says the following:

that

they each filed restraining orders against each other and alleged abuse, the Daily Mail reports.

That he insisted she was prone to extreme anger and had a history of snapping and screaming at him and the children.

That they frequently said things, she frequently said things to him, like, You fucking idiot, and you're fucking incompetent.

She would not let me have a cell phone because she said you're too fucking dumb to operate it.

Now, what kind of a man would allow his wife to determine whether or not he had a cell phone?

He goes on, the Daily Mail reports to say that in 2012, she came home from work one day and was enraged that the house was not clean, slammed a glass coffee pot on the counter, causing glass shards to spray everywhere, and cut him.

Quote, This house is a mess.

You effing slob.

You're incompetent.

What the F do you do all day?

She allegedly said.

While the three kids were nearby in the living room, he said Porter began picking up dishes and saying, look at how effing dirty this is.

He goes on to say that the oldest child, Luke, was in the high chair.

She looked at the potatoes in a ceramic bowl and yelled, can't you read the effing instructions?

She then took the ceramic bowl of steaming hot potatoes and dumped it on my head, burning my scalp, he says.

He says she stood over their son, who was two and a half years old, and screamed,

get out of my face and leave me alone.

He, the husband, says says that he then rushed in and Katie Porter struck him in the face and said, why can't you keep them away from me?

She then called that allegation absolutely false.

So she denied at least some hefty portion of this.

He says she came in as he made jello with the kids and said, are you so effing stupid you can't make jello?

How effing dumb are you?

Again, in her defense, if he can't make the jello, that is dumb.

But Ted, Ted, on the angry side of this.

He's teaching every little kid learns to cook by making jello first.

I don't know.

It seems he wasn't able to do it, nor to clean the house.

And if he didn't have a job, he should have been cleaning the house.

I'm just saying, on principle, some of these points might be valid, but the execution of it.

He accused her.

I'm trying to find a way to defend this gal.

The ex-husband accused her of refusing to leave the house when it was his visitation day when they were separated, and that she slowly moved around, quote, taunting and laughing at me.

Porter insisted she was simply getting ready for work.

Hoffman, the ex, said Porter began brushing her teeth very slowly, and he punched a light switch out of frustration, he admits.

Porter claimed that the ex-Hoffman squeezed her hands, ripped the dental floss right out of her hand, demanded that she leave the home, and yelled that she was ruining our children, called her her a dumb B-word, a despicable person, effing evil, and told her she should rot in hell.

The soon-to-be ex, Hoffman, excuse me, admits to grabbing her hands to take the toothbrush away, claimed that Porter was the one who ran at him and punched him, causing

a bruise on his arm.

Porter went to work and then called the police nearly 11 hours later.

And then there were mutual restraining orders.

It broke down.

It's, She alleges he had committed some abuse as well.

Hoffman had hit her,

according to their seven-year-old boy, that she was victimized by the ex and had kicked.

Maybe the child says had kicked him.

That's unclear to me who the him is, but did not go into detail.

It's a hot mess.

That's really what we're getting at here, Walter.

And then just

put an opinion in it.

But another very similar situation happened then with her live-in boyfriend, who also they claim abuse, mutual accusations, mutual restraining.

Like, this person wants to be governor of California, Walter.

First of all, how does she attract men?

It's a mystery.

And how does she attract political support?

That's a mystery.

This is all very fun national inquirer, salacious, you know, daytime drama, but it suggests to me that these party machines, and California is a party machine,

only a machine would bring up a candidate like that.

Only a machine that could deliver the office to a hippopotamus or a Frankenstein monster would nominate her.

Why do these people flourish in this environment?

What is it about our politics that encourages and

is

receptive to psychos because she looks like a psycho.

I just think of Kathy Bates in misery standing over the bed of the writer saying, I'm her biggest fan.

Or has America lost,

we've gotten so damn tolerant and so don't judge a book by its cover that people can walk up to us with a knife and shove it between our eyes?

I don't know.

And we're like, yeah, well, you know, could have been worse.

It's amazing to me that she had any sort of a political career after all of this.

I mean, she's, her staff has already come out and said that she's abusive and now and she's issued some anodyne statement saying like, I've been trying to do better with the staff, but like there's a long pattern here of some very questionable, frankly, nutty behavior is how it looks to me.

And that I think we just scratched the surface in that CBS investigative reporter.

interview.

So let me let me just give you the synopsis of what then allegedly happened with the boyfriend.

I mean, I'm sorry, but this is like she wants to be elevated to a very important post, and this is fair game for a politician.

So the Daily Mail reported same time, November 2024,

the following, that she obtained a temporary restraining order against her ex-boyfriend,

someone by the last name Willis, after accusing him in court of abuse and harassment that she said caused her to fear for her safety.

She petitioned for a domestic violence restraining order in November 2024.

This is after that whole meltdown with the husband.

These are not good choices in a partner by this woman.

She alleged that her romantic partner of several years sent her, her family, and her staff more than a thousand text messages and emails over three months.

The judge approved the order, ordering the boyfriend to make no contact and to stay away from her and her children.

Including in the case filing, included in, were details about the threats that she allegedly received.

I'm sorry, the threats against her to call child

protective services that he was making to remove her children from her custody.

Also detailed attempts to extort Porter for thousands of dollars and to make defamatory false allegations like her having a sexually transmitted disease, she said.

She submitted test results to the court to prove she did not have the STD.

Political reported.

Porter said that Willis, 55, was dealing with substance abuse and has mental health issues, which led to him being involuntarily committed twice since 2022.

This thing's being written in 2024.

According to Porter, he had taken steps to address his issues, like attending narcotics and anonymous meetings and staying in a sober living house.

But she claimed to have witnessed his continued substance abuse.

She'd seen him misusing, she claimed, prescription painkillers, snorting Ritalin, and abusing cannabis and nicotine patches.

He also previously disclosed to me, she claimed, his use of cocaine and nitrous oxide.

He told Politico that

he accused her of seeking the restraining order to preempt him from suing her and seeking protection for himself and her children.

He told Politico, quote, she's a monster.

I mean, here's the question I have for you.

If you know you got this history, I mean, this is like, this is a long ass history.

A lot of great women have made bad choices in men, and vice versa, too.

But if you have a pattern of absolutely volatile relationships involving restraining orders and mandated anger management cases or classes and physical and verbal abuse, some of which involves your children,

why would you run for public office?

And why would you ever let yourself lose your temper in as public a setting as an interview with CBS News.

That is just waving the red flag at the bull.

The media's going to figure out whether you have an anger issue.

And it had all been kind of forgotten.

Now we're almost in November of 2025.

This was not an issue in her campaign until now.

Well, the reason you do all those things is because you're a psychopath with no conscience who believes you're right about everything and that the world made you do whatever wrong things you've done and in fact it does much worse and hides it so they're all hypocrites and you're such an important political figure and your plans for saving california are so vital that how dare they get down into these soap opera details are they not serious

these are not

These are not people like you and me.

They don't have a boundary at which they reflect and go, wow, that was a mistake.

They're not Walter Kern going, oh my God, I forgot to, you know, set my alarm right for going on the Megan show.

I'm going to go out and slap myself.

These are a whole new breed of people, and they do very well in politics.

We used to see movies about them like Sunset Boulevard, you know, or Mommy Dearest.

Apparently, they exist in Hollywood, too, but they've jumped the gap and they've made it into politics.

Imagine that woman in charge of COVID policy during the pandemic.

Oh my God, she would have had us all walking on our knees down the street with our, like hostages, with our hands behind our head, you know, being sprayed down by insecticide.

I mean,

it's damn.

Can you imagine the number of lawsuits California is going to get from the staffers who claim hostile work environment?

I mean, just you're setting yourselves up to fail.

Now, here's an alternate viewpoint, because to me, it's ironic.

Like I said,

I thought the CBS investigative reporter was wonderfully passive aggressive.

Like she did, she did a great job, but she was needling her over and over, which is our job.

I enjoyed it, but I also understood why she was getting annoyed, which is what I actually love about the interview.

I also feel her staffer should not have gotten in the back of her shot, but she should have handled it differently.

Like, I would not have been happy with my lighting in that backstage at Cuomo thing, but She's a nasty person who's seething.

Like the level of anger was disproportionate to the event.

So it's not that she doesn't have any points to be raised.

It's just she can't seem to modulate her emotions, which is bad because she's a woman and female politicians really do extra need to keep it together.

And B,

any politician does.

Any man who is this volatile would be getting called out too.

But the view,

they have a different view.

Here's Sod 18.

You know, she's having a menopause.

Well, she's made, you know, listen.

Anything is possible.

But she said in a statement that she's striving to do better, quotes, saying, I have sought to be more intentional in showing gratitude to my staff for their important work.

Now, you know, some people apparently are surprised by these videos.

I am not.

We see these videos with guys.

We saw it with,

oh my God,

Bill O'Reilly.

We've seen it with Laura Ingram.

We've seen it with lots of different people.

We've seen it with actors.

Trump does it every minute.

And he always says to people, you're the worst.

I don't like you.

I don't know who you are.

I don't know why you're here.

You know, maybe people are having a bad day.

I can't imagine it could be easy to be running for something because it's kind of like us.

We always have to now be on our best behavior.

We have to watch what we say.

We have to watch how we say it.

And sometimes it gets really frustrating because you just want to say, this is how I feel.

Okay.

Whoopi Goldberg was accused by Sage Steele of

like getting up,

right?

Wasn't it?

Whoopee?

Of getting up in her face?

Oh, it was Barbara.

Barbara.

Whoopee was there.

Barbara Walters, who ran that show, was accused of getting up in Sage Steele's face and like physically assaulting her backstage.

So that's the environment at the view.

Bill O'Reilly did have

an infamous on-air meltdown when he was at Inside Edition.

Remember?

And he's like, Ev it, we'll do it live.

You know, I don't know if you've seen it.

It's one of the greatest things ever.

We'll drop it in here, but it's one of the greatest things you've ever seen.

Now, I can't read it, there's no words on it.

Okay,

there's no words there to play us out.

What does that mean?

To play us out?

I don't know what that means to play us out.

What does that mean?

To end the show?

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, go, go.

That's tomorrow, and that is it.

Again, five, four, three.

That's tomorrow, and that is it for us today.

And we will leave you with a.

I can't do it.

We'll do it live.

Okay.

We'll do it live.

Fuck it.

Do it live.

I'll write it, and we'll do it live.

Fucking thing sucks.

Laura Ingram, too, had been not so great with the crew, and they obviously recorded it and put it out on a video many years ago.

But neither of those two is running for governor of California.

So it's really more of like a Fox News internal thing or inside edition internal thing.

I'm not sure we can make that comparison, Walter.

Well,

I don't want to call journalists TV people, but TV people whose job is to present to the entire country, lit, made up,

know, in a coherent way.

We expect one thing from them when things screw up.

You know, they're being professionally compromised.

That a that a politician turns out to be almost the biggest TV person of all, that in fact, they have, they're more monstrous than, you know, anyone we've seen there.

And

the thing is, she doesn't just snap.

She pours boiling potato water over people's heads.

And all we saw of her at first, allegedly, but all we saw of her at first was that interview.

And what do you know?

That interview was not snapping.

That was just how she handles other people.

It wasn't that there was some moment where she went awry.

And when you dig and you keep peeling the onion back and it gets worse and worse and worse, I'd say you've got a case.

But once again, on the view,

we're in a country now where there are excuses for the most flagrant and obvious human behavior of the worst infantry.

What's with the menopausal moment thing?

What the F if a man said that, he'd get fired.

I know, I know.

Menopause, and now there's pre-menopause.

So half a woman's life has got a pre-made excuse.

But sorry to be.

So

you get to be a raging bitch for eight, 10 years and nobody can hold you to account.

Well, then you can't run for governor.

If we're going to lean on that crutch, then you can't be a governor between the ages of 45 and 55 or whatever.

But maybe women, maybe it works as an electoral strategy because maybe women in the country are so frustrated.

Maybe there's something to the feminist critique of society.

They've been kept down for so long that people like this are kind of acting out the frustrated fantasies of the voter.

Maybe.

I don't know.

She's not paying much attention

I honestly, on the subject of, you know, my therapist who I saw after my first marriage ended,

you know, I think Katie Porter probably has some very low self-esteem.

I think that's why she's so obsessed with how she looks and how the lighting is and whether the staffers back there in a way that it makes her quick to anger.

You know, I mean, we, again, being part of a professional television person, I absolutely would say, yo, abs, you're in my shot,

just like that.

So it's, I'm not objecting to the

caring about that, but she seems like to be very angry if it's not going her way.

And I think there are a lot of women who don't just choose one partner who's an absolute loser, but have a series of absolute losers in the past.

And

they love losers because they can berate them all day.

They know reliably that they'll come home and something will be broken.

So they'll get a chance to yell, they'll get a chance to humiliate.

But the real reason I don't want this character in charge of our politics is because they have a lot of power.

And in an era of pandemics and fires and public emergencies and all sorts of moments when

someone rises to almost uh you know authoritarian executive power and during emergencies and so on somebody like that can ruin your life, can ruin your economy, can ruin

your peace of mind.

I mean, Gavin Newsom, he was kind of a semi-dictator, but really he just wanted to slip off to the French laundry and toast and, you know, get it on with his fancy friends.

She, man, she'd put a freaking roadblock around every Los Angeles neighborhood and have, you know,

nighttime night goggle patrols looking in your windows.

She doesn't seem like an emotionally healthy person.

And I think that would concern me if I were a California voter.

I don't, that's not, you gotta, again, right back to the put this one back on the shelf.

There are lots of them.

This is, we're very early in the Democrat primary process out in California.

Got a lot of people running for it.

We all know whoever gets the Democrat nod is going to be the winner in all likelihood, unfortunately.

But

put this one back.

This is not the one.

You can do better.

Okay.

Speaking of people who are on TV and worry about their image, Jimmy Kimmel has decided to give a full-throated interview about his five days suspension.

Poor him.

It was on Bloomberg.

He sat down with Bloomberg, and this is how he describes his

free speech martyrdom five days off the air, SAT 26.

I didn't think there was a big big problem.

I just saw it as distortion on the part of some of the right-wing media networks, and

I aimed to correct it.

And so at what point did you realize this was a problem?

I think when they pulled the show off the air.

I was like, well, that's unusual.

The important thing to me was that I was able to

explain what I was saying, what I was trying to say.

Because you felt like your initial comments had been mischaracterized.

I didn't feel like it was.

They were.

It was intentionally and I think maliciously mischaracterized.

Yeah.

Well, he does that for a living.

He does that for a living.

He mischaracterizes and maliciously misrepresents, you know, Donald Trump or anybody he doesn't like.

So,

you know, I guess he knows what it feels like now.

But here's the thing.

He went out there and tried to say that the man who shot Charlie Kirk was MAGA.

That's what he clearly was saying.

And he was flipping about it.

He was flipping about Charlie.

At a time when MAGA was suffering the loss of a beloved fellow MAGA member and leader, he took a dump all over them and then tried to say they had somehow produced Charlie's killer.

And there's not a scintilla of truth to it.

Just as a reminder, here's what he said that led to his suspension, SOT 27.

We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

MAGA reacted by saying, how dare you suggest he was one of ours?

He wasn't.

He was a leftist.

He wrote it on the bullet casings.

His family says it's so.

The governor of Utah says it's so.

And his defense is:

I was maliciously mischaracterized by whom?

I wish the reporter had done his job and said, exactly how were your remarks mischaracterized?

What did you say?

And what did they say you said that was wrong?

I don't think he could answer that question.

Yeah, I still don't know what was mischaracterized there.

It was a little bit subtle.

You know, he couched it in a negative, you know,

but he was obviously saying that he knew and the identity of the killer was obvious and his sympathies were obvious.

And look at these pathetic MAGA people trying to obscure the truth.

when it was him trying to obscure the truth.

And it was very subtle.

And these people are actors.

And the thought that it just sort of came out or people mischaracterized him or he could have said it differently is ridiculous.

Every one of those words is worth its weight in gold, is rehearsed, and that guy's a professional.

He knew, he knew that his staggering, failing career was going to be well served by a controversy like this.

I was told months ago that he was on the way out, you know, when Colt Bear got canceled.

And

this was, I think, a cynical attempt to, at a very tender moment,

kick the hornet's nest, get himself back in the headlines.

And but the funny thing is, Jimmy Kimmel is not talented enough and his product is not in demand enough that he'll last.

So,

but he does seem a little bit like he's lost some of his swagger.

Some of the wind's gone out of him, because I think he realizes that

though he can get attention through extreme measures,

that's about all.

And

I think he'll just quietly shuffle off the stage at some point.

I really hope he does because this is amazing.

Like he is not taking responsibility for what he did.

He was not mischaracterized.

The problem is he was characterized exactly right.

And what he said was wrong, and it was really offensive.

And he did not give two damns that he was pouring salt in the wounds of a whole.

group of half of the country that was really suffering.

And now he has the nerve to come out and play the victim.

He didn't do anything wrong.

He was mischaracterized.

This is exactly why Disney pulled the show and wanted him to apologize, which he did not do.

And he's back on the air again to midland ratings.

Okay.

So speaking.

Our celebrity culture is really

damaging us.

We've now got...

Primadonna, you know, movie star, governor, people.

We've got people fantasizing about death in the way that you see in a movie.

And you've got people pretending it's not real on late night TV.

We're moving into a kind of, you know, twilight zone of unreality that I don't know how we pull ourselves out of.

Turn it off.

Don't watch it.

Don't let yourself get pulled in.

It's infuriating.

It'll make your life far worse.

I never watch that stuff.

I mean, I don't think the audience listening to this does either.

We just see the clips and they make us angry because they're...

I mean, it's one thing we're used to being ripped on.

We're used to like nasty, untrue jokes about Republicans, but just don't, don't, don't fucking joke about Charlie Kirk.

I mean, truly don't.

Like, we're still in mourning.

It's so heartless.

It's so nasty.

Don't lie about his, his killer being MAGA.

Like, what are you saying?

And he's got a very big platform, and he's supposed to be this comedian, and he won't take the responsibility because he always just says jokes, jokes, jokes.

And that leads me to Trevor Noah,

who

just, this is really dreadful.

This is really dreadful.

He couldn't help himself.

He appeared, I believe it was at the comedy seller, which I love.

And this is what he said this week.

Meanwhile, here, comedians are shitting themselves.

Don't, don't say anything about Charlie Kirk.

I wasn't going to say anything about Charlie.

Yeah, but don't say anything about Charlie.

I wasn't going to say anything about Charlie Kirk, but don't.

There's nothing funny about it.

Oh, now you tested me.

I mean,

there's nothing funny about it.

You can't say there's nothing funny about it.

Now, there's nothing funny.

No, don't say that.

Because as a comedian, I'll be like, i'm sure there's something funny about it

the guy was shot while defending guns do you understand how

i'm not even writing that as a joke as a human you have to admit that is an incongruous funny thing that happens

you are there on you're like on stage you're like let me tell you why people should have guns

that would be like if the captain of the titanic was giving an impassioned speech about icebergs right before it happened.

He was just there and he's like, I'll tell you why icebergs are not as bad as people say.

Whoa.

So Charlie slipped on a banana peel as far as he's concerned.

You know, you know a bad comedian when they have to lie to make their joke work?

That's not what Charlie Kirk was talking about when he was shot.

No, it's not what he did.

Walter, we pulled it.

We pulled it.

We're not going to show the...

the gunshot, obviously, but we are going to show the last couple of questions that Trevor Noah is mischaracterizing.

It was about trans mass shooters.

Trans.

It was about the trans issue and who's committing these massacres here.

So do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?

Too many.

I'm in here 11 Americans.

Now five is a lot, right?

I'm going to give you some credit.

Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?

Counting or not counting gang violence.

Counting or counting, not counting.

So the questioner is building up to try to say, trans people don't commit murders.

Trans people aren't out there doing mass shootings.

Now, if Trevor Noah wanted to say that was the irony, that they were talking about how low the number of trans shooters allegedly is, and then Charlie got shot by somebody who was into furry culture who was dating a trans person, it's not funny, but he at least could have made an actual connection.

But he wasn't celebrating guns there.

Charlie wasn't defending guns.

He was being asked about who's committing these shootings, the mental health of these trans people.

So it was a complete misrepresentation by Trevor Noah because he wouldn't actually draw the connection that actually is there, Walter.

He wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole.

You know, nope.

Nope.

One thing that comedians do, and the reason we laugh and laugh uncomfortably, especially in edgy comedy clubs, is they speak thoughts that we're afraid to speak ourselves.

You know, they say things

that we would never say to our wife, but they say out loud, or they say things we would never say to our boss.

But he,

I actually

dispute his thesis that there was anything funny about that.

If there was some tiny, horrible, miserable, funny thing about that that even the best person or normal person, you know, couldn't admit to, that would be one thing.

But I want to say, you're telling us about you.

You have told me nothing about myself.

You have told me nothing about the secret thoughts that other people have.

You are just making this up.

And I would sit back and go, Trevor,

you can make me laugh about the unspoken

prejudices of people and so on.

But don't impute that I'm laughing with you on this.

Don't bring me in here.

Don't make me part of the conspiracy.

I'm out of here.

And oh, I would also say, hey, I've got a funny joke for you.

Bang, bang

why don't you disrespectful it's so disrespectful walter

why someone who gets on a stage why don't they fear the fact that america's stages and america's public places and america's ability to go out and speak in crowds has now been made really perilous what does he think he has some special uh well he's of the left

He's of the left.

And like, that's something that no one will acknowledge, that the people who are getting shot are right wing.

They're conservatives.

It is a lot harder for our pal Glenn Beck to go out there as he did just the other night in front of, it was a huge crowd.

Oh my God, the university, it was one of, it was a Charlie event.

It's a lot harder for Glenn Beck to do that at a Charlie event than it is for Trevor Noah to stand up there because of the very thing that Charlie was debating with that kid who asked him the question, because of who who has been motivated to violence because of how the left feels, one-third of them, according to the polls, about political violence versus the numbers on the right-wing side, which are nil.

There are no right-wingers, maybe 1%, the numbers show, who would entertain political violence.

And on the left, it is one-third.

That's why, Trevor, we're not all laughing because all of us would like to get home and see our children.

Something he clearly doesn't have to worry about for a number of reasons.

And he acted like he was brave.

The way the bit started was he said, I was warned not to talk about Charlie Kirk.

Everybody warned me, but I'm going to be brave and do it anyway.

That's his version of bravery.

The bravery on the right is I'm going to get up here and I might get shot, but I have something I want to say.

Your fear is that your joke might not land and you might get in trouble.

Well,

Glenn Beck's fear is that somebody's going to blow his head off.

Yeah, and by the way,

Glenn's daughter was standing in the tent with Charlie when Charlie was killed.

So, I mean, it was damn brave of Glenn Beck to go out there and stand up there and do that.

And I guarantee you, his family was very worried about him.

Of course, his daughter, that would have required superhuman strength on her part, too, to say, Dad, do it, right?

Because that's, oh, she was right there.

She was an eyewitness.

He was on my show when it happened, the day it happened, one month ago today, telling us he was in tears about the fact that that his daughter was so close to danger.

It's screwed Trevor Noah.

I don't begrudge comedians

the right to make light of our times and even to take tragedies and find a way to laugh.

Like that, that is something comedians do.

But I'm telling you, A, it wasn't funny.

B, it was dishonest.

And C, maybe in reverse order, it's too soon.

It's really too soon.

I mean, I think I can speak for the Charlie fans.

We are not ready to have a laugh about him getting his head nearly blown off, Trevor.

So go fuck yourself.

I just, I like,

I've had it with these comedians trying to laugh and piss on his grave.

The essence of good comedy is bravery, is saying the thing that other people are afraid to say, or too shy to say, or, you know, too tongue-tied to say.

But this is not bravery we're seeing from these people.

This is wanting adulation as part of a cult of of anger and hatred.

Yeah, and cruelty.

And they're going into safe spaces and they're saying the thing that their bubble partners want to hear and they're kind of glorying in their sadistic fantasies.

And that's not what a comedian does.

A comedian challenges his audience.

He doesn't feed them.

It's gore.

All right, let's let's shift gears before we wrap it up because we have to think about something nice.

I'll say something nice.

Fall has has finally arrived here in the Northeast.

It'd been wonderful.

It was like 80 degrees all last week, including here in New England.

Amazing.

But we woke up yesterday morning and fall had arrived.

It was high of 60.

And that actually is exciting to me.

Even though I like warmth as much as anybody else, the fall weather brings with it like nice sweaters and sweatshirts and fires and apple picking and cider donuts, trick-or-treat, Halloween.

I don't like it, it kicks off the holiday season in a real way, right?

Like you get the fall, then you get the Halloween, then you get the Thanksgiving and the break, you get the Christmas buildup, and then the actual holiday.

It's a great stint between the kickoff of fall, like the cold weather moving in, and then New Year's Eve, don't you think?

You made me want to go on a hayride with you, you know?

Yes.

Yeah, exactly.

It really the best season for dressing.

You can go so many ways and use so many interesting, rich colors.

So I'm looking forward to, yeah, up in my wardrobe, a hayride with Megan Kelly.

I'm

really,

you know, getting outdoors and remembering what it is to be cozy, safe

in a sane America, because the end of this summer was just off a cliff.

And I hope we start to enjoy each other and value our,

you know, know, value our time off together.

It can't go on this way much longer.

We can't do many more shows like this.

Yeah.

Are you a religious man, Walter?

Yes.

So

I'm not an outwardly, I'm not an outwardly, you know, overtly

wear it on my forehead person, yes.

But whenever I'm asked that question, it's my, you know,

my reading of the Bible, my reading of the Christian message is that when asked, you're supposed to say yes.

There were a few people there in Jerusalem who asked, when asked if they knew Jesus, said, I've never seen the guy.

I don't want to be one of those.

Well, I don't know.

I've been doing more reading on this front than I've ever done.

And

I've really been wrestling with Charlie's death.

And I've just been rattled, so rattled by it, just on multiple levels.

The loss of such an incredible soul.

I'm very worried about Erica and his kids.

She's in deep mourning.

The internet's horrible.

But she's extremely upset still, as she should be.

And

I

still haven't wrestled with the fact or like come to understand the fact that like people are so callous, like Trevor Noah, and people are celebrating it and people can't find empathy.

And we hear all this, like, oh, it's really too bad, but, oh, I don't condone political violence, but like I, that, all that stuff's really bothering me and I

so I went back to do to Dr.

Frank Turek who I really like he um he's been on the show he came on the show right after Charlie died and he was Charlie's one of Charlie's spiritual mentors and teachers about the Christian faith and that led me to this book that he was talking about on in one of his books called who moved the stone

and uh this is purportedly a book that convinced an atheist frank and his co-author of the one book knew knew

that God is real, that Jesus is real, and that Christianity is right.

So I've been listening to who moved the stone.

I love audiobooks.

And it's really gotten me thinking, you know.

Who did move the stone?

Well, that's the question.

That's the question.

And whether anybody's like questioning about whether Christianity makes sense can really hold water.

If you go back and you look at it, it's basically like an evidence-based look at Christianity.

Like, would it make sense?

Would the women who showed up and saw that he was gone have been mistaken?

Is there any way they went to the wrong cave?

It's like taking a deep dive into all of it.

And I don't know.

I have to tell you, even just the process of reading about this, it's not exactly scripture.

It's making me feel a little better.

It's just like reminding me that it is real and there's a reason that Christianity was founded.

people believed at a time, as you point out, it was dangerous to believe immediately by the thousands.

And then, of course, years later, hundreds of millions

there's a billion catholics and how those beliefs actually can be comforting in a time like this if you can just reconnect with them but it's ironic because like at a time like this you might kind of want to feel you might feel slightly alienated from them too right like that's been my own wrestling over the past month

well i don't go in morning without the first words into my head being those from the gospels every day every morning you know and you know that wasn't the only stone that was moved in the gospels.

In John, Jesus is told that there's a man named Lazarus who's died.

And

he goes to raise him.

And he's in his tomb, very much like the one that Jesus ends up in.

And he gets to the door and he says, I want to go in.

I want to raise Lazarus.

And they say, he's been dead four days.

It's going to smell bad.

That's what they say.

There's going to be a stench.

He says, no, go ahead.

And, you know, he does it.

And

there's a sense that life and death issues require us to read these stories, because even if we find them, even if we find them unbelievable, they're really

an honest way of grappling with our feelings around death in a way comedians aren't and science isn't.

And

I'd like to believe that resurrection, in Charlie's case

is similar to what happened with John the Baptist.

He was killed.

He was not a savior himself, but a harbinger, a message spreader.

And he was killed in a very violent way.

But the message lived on.

And maybe it wouldn't have.

had that not happened.

I think Charlie Kirk's spirit and the spread of his positive message and the ability to see who he really was

is an absolute miracle whether you'd believe in these sort of particularly physical miracles of someone coming up out of a grave.

I need more books like this because it's making me feel better.

I'll take recommendations.

You can write to us.

You can email me, megan at megankelly.com is the email.

And by the way, go to megankelly.com to see Walter and yours truly and Erica Kirk all together in Glendale, Arizona on the last night of our tour, November 22nd.

Check it out, ma'angelly.com.

Walter, I love talking to you.

Thank you so much for making the time for us.

Thank you for having me back.

You're not, you're not, you're a very gracious and merciful person because I made a show biz

snafu for the ages.

And that you let me get back on the horse the same week is something I appreciate.

I'm lucky to have you.

No, wait, before I let you go, I should ask you, speaking of you walking the Montana woods, what is the temperature out there right now?

Well, it snowed just the other day, but it doesn't mean anything because it snows on and off

since the end of August.

But the animals have all gone away.

They're in their caves.

They're hidden, you know, those who hibernate.

So it's getting a lot of fun.

Well, we will be out there in December.

So I'm going to shoot you a note.

And that's when we'll, we might not get our

time we could get a sleigh ride.

We spend every every

Christmas we spend out there.

yes so I will

contact you

I'll give you my address offline okay great great it's a big but yeah no yeah it's it's wonderful and we absolutely look forward to it every year because you always get away Christmas it's it's amazing yeah see you then to be continued my friend thanks again Wow Oh, what a day.

Gosh, that was great.

Eric Trump was so good and Walter was so good.

I hope you felt it too.

I really found all of that like entertaining and interesting.

And

I'm looking forward to

what

I want to put on

a sweatshirt.

Sometimes the sweaters are too itchy.

I want to put on a sweatshirt, maybe a vest, some cute boots and some jeans.

I want to go for a hike.

I want to hear the leaves crunch underneath my feet.

I want to

inhale the cold air.

exhale and maybe see my breath depending on you know what time of day i'm going out there could be nice and cold on the mornings or in the evenings I want to start to see the Halloween decorations go up.

Ours are not, they're going up slowly but surely.

Our fall decorations are up, but we're starting to get our Halloween ones out there.

That's so fun to watch.

I want to start thinking about Halloween decorations with the kids and doing our candy corn pumpkin.

If you haven't seen that, you can just Google Megan Kelly, Candy Corn Pumpkin, and Strudwick, and you will see the challenges we've faced in the past thanks to our dog in getting this thing done.

Anyway, that's just, that's living.

That's, that's living.

And, um,

I don't know.

It's where I always end up when I start thinking about Charlie.

Like, spend more time with the people you love.

Spend more time doing the things you love.

Here we are a month out, and it's a blessing.

It's a blessing to be able to take those walks and be with your families and maybe take a hayride and do a pumpkin, do something silly, put on Halloween town.

Love having that on in the background as we do Halloween crafts in my house.

And my kids love it too.

Anyway, I hope that's what your weekend looks like too.

God bless all of you.

Thank you for listening and we'll see you Monday.

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