Glenn Greenwald and Emily Jashinsky - "Megyn Kelly Live" from San Antonio, on No Team Jerseys, Israel, and the Left's Obsession with Race | Ep. 1180

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Speaker 13 Thank you so much for showing up tonight, you guys.

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Speaker 14 Wow.

Speaker 13 What a great crowd and a beautiful, beautiful setting.

Speaker 13 I have to say,

Speaker 13 it's been 30 years since I've been to San Antonio. I came as a young lawyer.
Back in the day, we had a retreat here, and we went and we wrangled cattle. That was fun.

Speaker 13 Doug was like, like, with a lasso?

Speaker 13 I was like, no, but I did a lot of this.

Speaker 13 Felt like a real cowgirl. So it's great to be back.
And I said to my team, we got to go see the river walk. We did that today.
What a beautiful city.

Speaker 13 So glad it brought us together.

Speaker 13 You know, I was saying this last night, and it's true that I spend most of my time, like, at my house and in my studio. You know, I don't do a lot of red carpet events and things like that.

Speaker 13 It's just not my thing.

Speaker 13 And in my real life, even though I have this very outward-facing job, I'm a little bit more introverted than you would think, listening to the show, watching the highlight reel there.

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 13 every once in a while, God will sort of tap you on the shoulder and say, I have something for you. And you feel the inspiration to go out, to go out into this world and do something.

Speaker 13 And that's really why I did this tour.

Speaker 13 I got the tap from God telling me it was time to go out, and I didn't know why. Like, what is it he thinks I need? Let's go and find out.

Speaker 13 And eventually, like, the signs will become clear and you'll figure it out. And honestly, like, this happens throughout your life.

Speaker 13 Like, we went down to the Bahamas on vacation with our kids not long ago. And I'm in this swimming pool at the hotel.
And a nice woman's talking to me. We're chit-chatting.

Speaker 13 And I've got my young guy, Thatcher. He's 12 with me.
And we're making small talk with this woman, and in the middle of it, she's kind of looking at me.

Speaker 13 And you know, we're in the pool, I'm in my bathing suit, whatever. I don't look like this.
And she goes,

Speaker 13 Has anyone ever told you that you look exactly like Megan Kelly,

Speaker 13 except much better looking?

Speaker 13 And my son, Thatcher, goes, That's literally impossible.

Speaker 13 So you never know how to take those messages, right? Like, is that a compliment or is that not a compliment?

Speaker 13 Unclear, but you parents out there know that your kids keep you humble, right? And sometimes God will deliver that to you too.

Speaker 13 When Thatcher wasn't even born yet, but when

Speaker 13 I was pregnant with him, and

Speaker 13 my older two were watching me grow and watching what was happening, and you could see the stomach expanding, and

Speaker 13 our eldest, who's now 16, he kind of put his hand on my stomach at one point and he goes,

Speaker 14 wow.

Speaker 13 And I said, it's getting bigger, right? And he goes, yeah,

Speaker 13 and your bottom's getting bigger, too.

Speaker 13 Okay. I don't feel like I needed that one, actually, to be perfectly honest.
Anyway, I'm very grateful to you for showing up, just as I showed up as well.

Speaker 13 I think maybe you got the tap on the shoulder, too.

Speaker 13 Because right now,

Speaker 13 right now,

Speaker 13 showing up is is not actually all that easy for conservatives. Not that everybody here is conservative.

Speaker 13 I know we have mixed ideologies, but people who lean right and are on team sanity right now are literally under attack.

Speaker 13 And it's gone from like us getting attacked in our K through 12 education and in our colleges and at our workplace and online if we say anything that's right-leaning to like literally getting attacked.

Speaker 13 You know, whether it's as an ICE agent out there trying to do your job, or it's somebody who shows up at the wrong no-kings protest, or it's somebody who goes onto a college campus and just tries to say what he thinks about the world.

Speaker 13 So I appreciate the fact that you guys got up off your couches, you bought tickets for this thing, you waited in line, you went through the mags, and you came and showed up for this event.

Speaker 13 I really think it speaks to your courage.

Speaker 13 And courage has been in short supply these days, not on the right wing, but we need to find our voices more than ever, ever, right?

Speaker 13 I think right now the solution, the only possible solution to what we're seeing in the wake of Charlie and just the ramping up of political rhetoric and violent rhetoric from the left, hi, Jay Jones, looking at you, is that all of us who are on team sanity need to say all the things as much as humanly possible so that they can't shout us down.

Speaker 13 They can't stop us. You know, I mean, we talked at length about whether we should still do the tour.
We announced it on a Monday, and then Charlie was killed that Wednesday.

Speaker 13 And we had serious talks about, should we do this, right? Should we keep going?

Speaker 13 And my husband, Doug, felt very strongly one way. He's on board now.

Speaker 13 But I said, honey, I've got to do it. And then we had to talk about whether you guys would come.
Like, will people feel comfortable? Will they feel unsafe?

Speaker 13 And can I tell you, after we came out and said, we are doing this, we're going to keep rolling, the ticket sales, whoosh.

Speaker 13 I was amazed.

Speaker 13 Truly, like the courage, the bravery, like the strength that takes for you guys. Like I'm a public figure, so I'm used to putting myself in front of, but like that was an extraordinary thing.

Speaker 13 And you guys actually do need that strength and that courage because let me tell you something. News consumers are the answer to our problems.

Speaker 13 It really, like, most people do not take in news the way you do if you're here.

Speaker 13 Like they got stuff going on. They don't want to get involved.
They find it depressing. Whatever.

Speaker 13 It takes a certain mental constitution to be able to have a hefty news diet and to to stay on top of what's happening in this country. You have to have a pretty steel stomach and spine,

Speaker 13 and it takes effort.

Speaker 13 It takes effort to figure out what's real, what's true, and all of that. And so I feel like your neighbors, your communities are going to rely on you.

Speaker 13 You actually have to be the ones who go out there and say, there's a local school board vote. You got to go.
Come on. I know you don't want to do it, but you have to.
We have to save our children.

Speaker 13 Like, there's a local race. There's a whatever, the statehouse race.
All these things actually really matter. If you don't pay attention, you wind up with Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 13 Poor Texas. It's very sad.
It's very sad.

Speaker 13 So you guys got to be the ones to lead the way because you are super informed. And it's not that your neighbors who aren't following news are uninformed, but they don't know it the way you know it.

Speaker 13 And they don't understand the media bias the way you do. Anybody who watches our show or listens to our show understands media bias.
Most conservatives do. We've hated the media for a very long time.

Speaker 13 It's something we wear like like a badge of honor. Yes, it's to our credit.
You see those polls where only like 27% of the people out there still trust the media. Not one is conservative.

Speaker 13 It's all leftists who are like, what? The media tells it CNN.

Speaker 14 It's news.

Speaker 13 In any event, so

Speaker 14 what?

Speaker 13 So you have the same responsibility that I have. I've got to deliver it, and you've got to deliver it too.

Speaker 13 You've got to reach out to the neighbors and make sure that they take all this great information you've gotten and do something useful with it.

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Speaker 13 Okay, with that, we're going to take a couple of QA from you guys. We're going to

Speaker 13 switch the order of things up, and I'll be on the receiving end of the questions for a little bit before we get started. And you are going to be so thrilled with tonight's.

Speaker 13 You know who they are, right? You know who's coming. Emily Jashinsky and Glenn Greenwald.

Speaker 13 Two smarter, more dynamic people you could not ask for. I'm thrilled to bring that to you.
So let's just, let's queue it up and we'll just get as many questions in as we can in a few minutes.

Speaker 14 Hi.

Speaker 13 Hi, Megan. Thank you so much.
My question is actually about the DOJ and Pam Bondi, our current Attorney General. Do you think that she's doing a good job?

Speaker 13 And also, what do you think the DOJ should be focusing on that they aren't right now? Thank you for that.

Speaker 13 I was very harsh on Pam Bondi after the Epstein situation and I do not think that was handled well.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 13 So and I stand by that. It wasn't handled well.
Why it wasn't handled well, we still don't know. It certainly seemed to be President Trump's wish that Pam Bondi handle it the way it was handled.

Speaker 13 So query how much of it you can put on her. But that didn't, she didn't need to go on Fox News and do all those titillating, wait until you see the files.
and then come out with, oh, there's nothing.

Speaker 13 So that was bad. But I have to say, she's been doing a very good job since then.
I mean, she's taken on some really bold things. She's very loyal to the president, but she's pretty fearless.

Speaker 13 You know, I mean, she's been going after like these people who are attacking our ICE agents and Homeland Security.

Speaker 13 She's got her hands full with some of these cases against, it's not her, but it's DOJ, against, say, for example, John Bolton and Letitia James.

Speaker 13 All of that is, it takes guts. So I think Pam Bondi actually, I'm more open-minded to her than I was over the summer when the Epstein thing was botched.

Speaker 13 And I think we should give her some grace because the more the left hates somebody, the more it's a tell that we should like them, and they really hate her.

Speaker 14 So, hi.

Speaker 7 Megan,

Speaker 14 I'm so proud of our current administration, but what do we all need to do to make sure that they follow through with the prosecution of these crooks that they've currently indicted, and it just doesn't fade away.

Speaker 14 It happens.

Speaker 7 We want to see them in jail.

Speaker 13 Thank you. Yes, I think they will see it through.
I think President Trump is determined. This poor Lindsay Halligan is getting just completely smeared by the media.
The new U.S.

Speaker 13 Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Speaker 13 I think she's great. She's very courageous.
She's got monster balls.

Speaker 13 And you need that. If you're going to work for Trump, you're going to start indicting his enemies.
And look, let's fit people like, I think it's retribution. I think it might be retribution.

Speaker 13 Of course it's retribution. That's obvious.
But unlike what they did to Trump, there actually are grounds to do it. No one promised them a free pass for life.
They're the ones who changed the rules.

Speaker 13 They're the ones who said you can go after your political enemies. We can both play that game.
You better be squeaky clean if you're going to make those the new rules. And they're not.

Speaker 13 So I'm fine with what they're doing. And I love this, Lindsay Halligan.
Go ahead.

Speaker 14 Hey, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 17 So as you know, there's a big split on the right right now between

Speaker 17 the pro-Israel crowd, the anti-Israel crowd, and all that. I'm not asking you to pick a side in that discussion, but

Speaker 17 it goes to the point about just foreign aid in general and who we build allyships with and stuff like that.

Speaker 17 Joe Biden gave $200 billion to Ukraine since the start of the war.

Speaker 14 And overall, we just send money left, right, and center all throughout the world.

Speaker 17 How do we build allyships without

Speaker 17 being taken advantage of? Like, America's not the world's mommy, and we're having an issue with Canada right now?

Speaker 13 I got it. I think it's a great question, first of all.
And I think you're putting your finger on the pulse of what a lot of Republicans are feeling, right?

Speaker 14 Like what about us?

Speaker 13 Like how much, we don't have a bottomless pocket for Ukraine. There are a lot of American cities that are that are hurting right now.
And I think President Trump is feeling that.

Speaker 13 I think the Republican Party getting loud on it has helped. I know J.D.
Vance is hearing us.

Speaker 13 The big guy has got his own strong feelings on foreign policy, and he's coming to those in good faith. And I think, you know, Trump, he had to learn firsthand on how to deal with Putin, right?

Speaker 13 He wanted to be friendly with him. He thought he could get it settled quickly.
He's realizing that Putin is not an honest actor.

Speaker 13 Now I think Trump's probably going to ramp up a little support for Ukraine, and we're not going to like it. But I think it's a method to bring it to a close.

Speaker 13 I don't think Trump has any desire to have a forever war there that we're supporting. And I think on the Israel front, Look, they took the lead on virtually everything.

Speaker 13 The thing about Israel that I think is dividing the Republican Republican Party is that we're so supportive of them.

Speaker 13 We're getting a little close to the sun, like on the Iran bombing and so on. So some faction of the Republican Party that's just had it with the wars.

Speaker 13 Obviously, we came to that decision honestly over the past 20 years.

Speaker 13 They're feeling like our friend is getting us a little too close to the fire, but thank God that seems to be coming to a close now.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and I just wanted to follow up on that real quick.

Speaker 17 I don't know if you followed the thing with Canada the past couple days, but they were taking out like $75 million worth of ads, kind of like propagating like anti-tariff messaging and stuff like that.

Speaker 17 And then it kind of ties in with like APAC as well, two sides of the same coin, where like, overall,

Speaker 18 how does America avoid, like, it's the focal point of the world, how does it avoid being the merry-go-round where people are like playing

Speaker 13 manipulative games with? Well, we don't. We're the world's superpower, so they're going to do that to us.

Speaker 13 They're going to try to manipulate us, but we have a strong leader, so we don't have to worry about it. Right? I mean, like, good luck trying to play hardball with Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 It doesn't tend to go well. Thank you.

Speaker 14 Hello, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 19 Thank you for being who you are.

Speaker 19 You're amazing. Thank you for being this woman

Speaker 19 after 50, like we are, and outspoken and amazing and beautiful. You are an example.

Speaker 13 Part of the We Do Not Care Club, right?

Speaker 14 Princess Melanie?

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 13 We simply do not care.

Speaker 14 Go ahead.

Speaker 20 So

Speaker 19 I'm a legal immigrant,

Speaker 19 very proud

Speaker 14 legal immigrant.

Speaker 19 My husband and I decided to move to the US after I'm 50, so it's a huge shift. But we praise the United States.
We moved here because we thought for our kids it would be the best path.

Speaker 19 So we gave up an amazing life in Brazil. I have to talk to Glenn about it.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah, you do.

Speaker 19 So anyway, we gave up that life to come here and start a new life and a new chapter. So my question is,

Speaker 19 since everything that is happening, and we are very much

Speaker 19 siding with the government and everything that is happening to the illegal immigrants, because we understand, first of all, the origin of these people.

Speaker 13 What's your question?

Speaker 19 I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 13 No problem. I'm seeing the line behind you.
I just want to make sure we get as many people up as we can.

Speaker 19 I'm just worried about our positioning as immigrants here, how Americans are going to look at us,

Speaker 19 because

Speaker 19 somehow there might be prejudice.

Speaker 13 I don't think you have to worry about that at all. I think Americans are the most tolerant, accepting, loving people in the world.

Speaker 13 Even with the illegals. Even with the illegals, Americans aren't being cruel to them or treating them as bad people.

Speaker 13 But it's like if you're an illegal who's here and you've committed an additional crime, you're out. And there's zero empathy.

Speaker 13 And if you're an illegal who's here and you haven't committed an additional crime, you're probably also out as like a policy matter.

Speaker 13 But whether Trump can actually effectuate that in the next four years, that's more up to question. But I haven't seen like a hint of American citizens treating immigrants badly.

Speaker 13 That is just not a U.S. thing.

Speaker 14 Hi. Hi, how are you? Great.
Thank you.

Speaker 22 Where should young conservatives stand on modern-day Israel with

Speaker 22 certain sources like Tucker Carlson saying that there could potentially be

Speaker 22 bad things going on there and other conservatives saying that we have the biblical duty to protect them.

Speaker 13 This is a good question. So I'm going to disappoint you because I don't have the answer to it but I'll tell you my own approach.

Speaker 13 I'm very pro-Israel and I'm a Zionist. I do believe they have the right to exist.

Speaker 13 And I think they're an extraordinary democracy in the middle of a very rough neighborhood, which has got very different values than we do, the neighbors around Israel, whereas they share a lot of our values.

Speaker 13 But in the beginning of this conflict, we were told repeatedly, you can criticize the Israeli government, just don't be anti-Semitic.

Speaker 13 Don't support, you know, harassing college students here in America because they're Jewish. Don't harass kids trying to

Speaker 13 go across the Quad because they have the Yamakon. Yes, I agree with all that.
But then when this thing went on for two years and some of us started to say, like,

Speaker 13 you know, going on a long time, taken out Hezbollah, you've devastated Hamas, you've taken out the Houthis, you've taken out the Iranian nuclear program, kind of seems like it's time now. It's time.

Speaker 13 You're an anti-Semite.

Speaker 14 What?

Speaker 13 And I think Americans really resented that. And I think there's too many people who are like sort of pro-Israel as like a lobbyist or a spokesperson or very active on X

Speaker 13 that don't reflect well on regular American pro-Israelites or Jews, what have you.

Speaker 13 And you always have to remind yourself that sometimes the loudest advocates are really not the best representatives of the actual cause.

Speaker 13 I think Israel and we are very close friends for very good reasons. They actually don't ask that much of us.

Speaker 13 They take the lead on most of these conflicts, and we're there in a more of a supportive role, like just in case they need us, as we saw with Iran. And I think they're a super important ally of ours.

Speaker 13 And I hope people, even if you're feeling angry with where things are with Israel now, don't completely abandon the cause.

Speaker 14 Hi. Megan.
Hi.

Speaker 23 I respect you tremendously, and I listen to you for your cogent and thoughtful arguments. What I'm confused about is why you've begun to resort to personal attacks like calling people fat and ugly.

Speaker 23 Why resort to ad hominems? Depends on the person. Yeah, why resort to ad hominem attacks when you're so pretty? It's like a mean girl.
Why are you resorting to that when you have cogent arguments?

Speaker 13 Because I want them to come over to the other side. And the number one thing they need to do to get out of their ugliness is drop their trunk derangement syndrome.

Speaker 13 Their lives will be better and they'll be happier.

Speaker 14 Sorry, but it's true.

Speaker 13 I don't think it's any accident that the number of people we see out at the No Kings protest are homely people.

Speaker 13 I don't. I don't think it's any accident.
I look out here and I see all beautiful people.

Speaker 13 I happen to believe that conservatism makes you gorgeous. I don't know what it is.
It's like a fountain of youth.

Speaker 13 It just makes you, I mean,

Speaker 13 you get asked out more, you start having more action, you get better job opportunities. People are selling conservatism all wrong.

Speaker 14 Hi.

Speaker 14 Okay, hi Mrs. Kelly.

Speaker 24 My question is, what advice would you give to my generation about finding your voice and standing firm in what we believe while growing up in such a divided and hostile world?

Speaker 13 Yes, practice.

Speaker 13 Practice at every opportunity. Never, never say no to an opportunity to get up in front of people and say how you really feel.

Speaker 13 Never hide your true viewpoint because you think the professor's not going to like it or a potential employer is not going to like it.

Speaker 13 You don't have to go into a job interview and start talking about how you feel on abortion.

Speaker 13 But if this issue comes up at the water cooler or you're asked by a professor to write a certain thing that you don't agree with or you're in class and everyone feels a certain way, stand up for what you believe in.

Speaker 13 Big courageous decisions don't have, they don't happen in a vacuum.

Speaker 13 You make tiny little courageous decisions that make sure when you get to the big moment where you have to make a big one, you've exercised that muscle.

Speaker 13 But you will not make the big courageous decision if you didn't exercise it. So you have to start in the little moments of your life.
Those are all the building blocks to who you're going to be.

Speaker 13 And when it comes to articulating your ideals, do it as often as humanly possible. Do it looking into your iPhone if you have to, if you don't have an audience.
But do it. Do it daily if you can.

Speaker 13 Talk about it with your friends. Talk about it with your teachers.
Talk about it with everybody you can where it's in an appropriate setting.

Speaker 13 And don't back down from what you feel, not even one iota, not even if you're wrong. It's great to be wrong.

Speaker 13 You'll be proven wrong, and then tomorrow you'll be less wrong than you were the day before. So don't be afraid of that, right?

Speaker 13 Take risks, put yourself out there, and just keep practicing, keep practicing.

Speaker 25 Hi. Hi, Megan.
My name is Jacob.

Speaker 25 This one's going to be a little rough.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 25 I have two Naval Academy grad children. I have one Air Force Academy grad children.

Speaker 13 Awesome. Thank you for your family service.

Speaker 25 My youngest, she starts pilot school at the end of next month.

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 25 we've been very blessed.

Speaker 14 Now,

Speaker 25 on September the 8th, Donald Trump on his Truth Social,

Speaker 25 he posted a

Speaker 25 video about how dangerous flu shots are and tetanus shots are.

Speaker 25 And

Speaker 25 the ingredient is called thermeserol.

Speaker 25 It's got lead in it, mercury.

Speaker 13 Yeah, thimerosol.

Speaker 25 Yes.

Speaker 25 And RFK Jr.,

Speaker 25 he's also aware of it.

Speaker 25 And having my children, along with the other 2.1 million people that are serving in our military right now,

Speaker 25 how is it that they do not have informed consent for vaccinations?

Speaker 25 Regarding the flu shot,

Speaker 25 I wrote my congressman Tony Gonzalez here in Texas.

Speaker 14 Okay?

Speaker 25 Completely ignored.

Speaker 25 I know you're close with Peter Hegseff. I have the letter in my hand that I gave Tony Gonzalez.

Speaker 7 Would you please give this to Peter Hegseff?

Speaker 14 Absolutely. Please.

Speaker 13 Give it to that good man holding the microphone.

Speaker 13 I will make sure he gets it.

Speaker 14 We love you. Thank you.

Speaker 14 I'm going to give you

Speaker 14 three copies. Okay, good.

Speaker 13 Right on, because I'm with you on the informed consent. If we've learned nothing from the COVID vaccine, we've learned we need that.

Speaker 13 Thank you. Right on.
And good luck to your daughter.

Speaker 13 Yeah, go ahead. We've got time for like maybe two more.

Speaker 14 Okay. Hi, Megan.

Speaker 26 I'm so excited to have you here. I listen to you every morning at 5 a.m.
on my way to the gym.

Speaker 13 Thank you very much.

Speaker 26 I really appreciate your perspective, your no BS perspective that you provide. So I'm curious, what's your strategy for maintaining credibility in an era of media mistrust?

Speaker 26 And how does being named one of Time's 100 most influential people shape your sense of responsibility in that effort?

Speaker 13 Oh, well, I guess I'll take them in reverse order. Not at all.

Speaker 13 And my approach to

Speaker 13 the news and facts and my credibility are, they're everything. Like,

Speaker 13 I think if there's one thing I'm known for, it's being hyperfactual.

Speaker 13 Like, I do believe people understand facts are first with me, and then we can talk about my opinions, and your opinions, other people's opinions, but I consider it a cardinal sin to get the facts wrong on my newscast.

Speaker 13 Either my actual show or my morning show now, the AM update.

Speaker 13 It's a true cardinal sin to get the facts wrong because I respect you too much. And I also think that I was talking about you guys being news consumers and how that does require some sharp elbows.

Speaker 13 It's not just, you're not just any news consumers, but if I may, you've tuned into this show, which means you don't just want the sweet nothings whispered in your ears.

Speaker 13 You would go someplace else if that's what you wanted. You must be in the market for true, hard facts, and some opinion too.
And so that's what I feel I owe you. And how do I do it?

Speaker 13 With a lot of help. It takes a lot of effort in today's day and age to cut through all the BS and all the spin and figure out what is real.
Every single story is so hard to figure out what is real.

Speaker 13 And I know you must feel that as news consumers. I feel it as a news producer and reporter, but it's doable.
It's doable.

Speaker 13 And so, you know, I think in today's day and age, you need to find a provider, a news provider, or two or three, and put your trust in them to go through it. You have a busy life.

Speaker 13 You guys have things that you need to do. You don't need to do news 24-7.

Speaker 13 We're doing that for you.

Speaker 13 But make sure you choose well, because if you don't choose well, you walk around thinking Russia, Russia, Russia is real, the steel dossier is absolutely horrible, and that no one's ever renovated the White House before.

Speaker 14 Right?

Speaker 13 So be careful. Thank you.

Speaker 13 Yeah, we'll do one more. Sorry to the people standing in the line.

Speaker 14 Yeah, love you.

Speaker 15 Hi, Megan. My name's Millie.
And recently, I received an injury from a male competing in my sport.

Speaker 14 It was a coach at my high school.

Speaker 15 And I received a minor concussion. I got hit in the head.
And I was wondering how I can help keep my voice strong about wanting to protect my rights as a young female athlete.

Speaker 13 Oh, I'm so sorry that happened to you. That's horrifying.

Speaker 13 Thank you for standing up and asking the question. So first of all you have the advantage, it is a big advantage of living in Texas.

Speaker 13 God bless Texas. Look at all these people.

Speaker 14 They'll all have your back.

Speaker 13 Like if this is your community, you're already ahead of the game because they're going to have your back. These guys are not going to tolerate that bullshit.

Speaker 13 But you, you have an opportunity to sit in the front row of your life and in terms you might understand down here, take the bull by the horns

Speaker 13 and you handle it. You know, I mean, I'll give you this example.
So we have three kids, as I mentioned, and of course, I could go in and I could fight every battle for them.

Speaker 13 Doug, my husband could go in and fight all the battles for them, but it's much more useful if we tell them, good luck with it, you know? And we don't even give them advice.

Speaker 14 Just like, what do you think? How are you going to do it?

Speaker 13 Then if they ask us, what would you think about this? We'll give them the advice. But they have to fight the battle because we're not going to be with them forever.

Speaker 13 Soon they're going to leave the house. They're going to go to college.
They need the skills.

Speaker 13 It's fine to have me as their mom, but I'm not going to go with them to college. I've tried, but they've told me they don't want me.

Speaker 13 So you should take this opportunity, which is a big challenge, to start developing yourself. It's a gift that you've been given.
So how will you handle it?

Speaker 13 Will you go to your principal and say, here is why I object to this? Will you go to the coach and say, here is why I am not going to play when you are out there anymore?

Speaker 13 And see it as an opportunity for growth for you, right? Because they don't come along that often.

Speaker 13 And truly, the difference between somebody who is sort of ordinary and someone who is extraordinary is they've had the gift of something really tough coming their way and they've handled it.

Speaker 13 You don't have to handle it perfectly. You don't have to be the picture of grace.
You might fall. You might misstep.
All that's fine. That's all great ingredients into the cake.

Speaker 13 But you must handle it.

Speaker 13 You, no one else. And you'll have to figure out how.
And if it's the wrong way, that's great. The next time something comes your way, you're going to handle it better.

Speaker 13 And if it's the right way, then great, you've solved this problem, but there's literally no downside. Even if you get blowback, even if somebody calls you names, that's all great stuff.

Speaker 13 You're going to use all of it. Anything bad that happens to you is actually a positive as long as you use it.
So something bad has happened to you, and now you have a huge opportunity to grow.

Speaker 13 I mean, you can hit womanhood basically in about a week if you handle this in a strong way. It doesn't have to be the right way, just a strong way.

Speaker 13 And to where you think about yourself in 30 years and you say, will I be proud of what I did? That should be your guidepost.

Speaker 14 Good luck.

Speaker 13 And if they don't do the right thing, call me and I'll publicly humiliate them. All right, let's get this party started.
Thank you all for your questions.

Speaker 13 All right, so the way we're going to do this is we're going to bring out Emily in a minute, and we're going to talk talk to Emily, and then we're going to bring out Glenn after that.

Speaker 13 I'm going to talk to Glenn, and then we're going to have them both sit together for a little while and have a little coffee talk, the three of us. So, I want to tell you about Emily Jashinsky.

Speaker 13 So, Emily is like, to me, about 17 years old. She's so young.
She's extraordinarily talented.

Speaker 13 She's great. So, I first found Emily myself.
She had been working for the Washington Examiner, and she had been with YAF, a conservative group for young people.

Speaker 13 But I first discovered her when she was working at the Federalist, you know, Molly Hemingway.

Speaker 13 She was working at the Federalists and she was their culture editor and she had such different and unique takes on everything and I love culture commentators.

Speaker 13 I do a little bit of it myself but I'm much more into listening to other great people do it like Maureen Callahan.

Speaker 13 And Emily is one of those people, but she's so young. It's like Mike, she has so many great insights where somebody's so, anyway, but she's always got a different way into the story.

Speaker 13 She is never predictable, which is one of the reasons why I absolutely adore her. And so we've thankfully been able to fold her more and more into the Megan Kelly show and to our MK Media network.

Speaker 13 Now she hosts After Party with Emily Jashinsky, which is killing it, by the way. She's crushing it.
You can download that pod.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 And she's in full flourish. And I like I can only sort of imagine of where Emily Jashinsky is going to be in 20 years.
I think she's going to be the queen of all media.

Speaker 13 So you will see her tonight while she's just the princess, but well on her way.

Speaker 13 Take a look at this sizzle reel and then we'll bring her out.

Speaker 16 This is real housewives level drama. Fanny Willis has like on tape talking about how she was going to crack down on corruption and nobody would be sleeping with her people in the day at these office.

Speaker 16 Andrew Cuomo shouldn't be able to show his face in polite society without apologizing, groveling, and saying what you did wrong.

Speaker 14 I like it all.

Speaker 16 He's not not trying to pretend. The guy actually really loves McDonald's.
Any other politician would be fearfully sticking to their script.

Speaker 13 The rapid response choir.

Speaker 16 I don't want to sound racist, but I sometimes really hate white people, Mike.

Speaker 16 So ineffective. And it's why they ended up losing the culture, which was unthinkable for the right 10 years ago.

Speaker 14 Yeah, Emily Jasinski, let's give it up for Emily.

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Hey, girl.

Speaker 16 I like that you brought me out on stage with me being racist against white people.

Speaker 14 Here I am.

Speaker 13 Setting the stage. I'm sure our friends in Texas will understand.
In fact, we should start as an acknowledgement to Corine Jean-Pierre by stating that we are white and we are women. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Heterosexual, don't forget that.

Speaker 13 Hetero, yeah, totally straight. And cis.

Speaker 16 Yes. Yeah.
That's the one I always forget.

Speaker 14 Yeah, the cis.

Speaker 16 It's easy to forget.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I hope we forget it forever. Yeah.

Speaker 16 We're on the cusp.

Speaker 13 So I actually didn't know, I'm preparing for this, I did not know that you are a Midwestern girl, which explains so much about you, right?

Speaker 13 People from Texas make sense, and people from the Midwest make sense. People from the Northeast, where I am from, do not make sense.
You guys are bad.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 It's a miracle. I grew up in upstate New York, which is not the same as New York.
Upstate, we're sensible people.

Speaker 13 So tell me about your family. Was it very conservative?

Speaker 16 I mean, not super political, even. My parents are both great, and they're both from Wisconsin, so just grew up.
Oh, amazing.

Speaker 16 I just grew up about an hour west of Milwaukee. So my mom worked in Milwaukee.
My mom is super, like the most amazing person you could imagine.

Speaker 16 Her career, I mean, this woman worked like 70-hour weeks traveling to China and Germany. And my dad's a civil engineer.

Speaker 16 He worked for the state in the same job basically for 40 years and they they're retired now.

Speaker 14 I have a younger brother.

Speaker 16 He lives in DC. So it's a lot of people.

Speaker 13 Did you always think you were going to get into news?

Speaker 16 Megan, actually, no. I loved, when I graduated high school, I wanted to be a stand-up comedian.
It's so embarrassing.

Speaker 16 But when

Speaker 16 I loved TV, and so this is where for me, it's especially special to even know you because I don't know if I've told you this story before.

Speaker 16 I feel like I have said it once before, but I'm obsessed with TV and media, especially news. So I watched a ton of news growing up because there's something just sort of very romantic about it to me.

Speaker 16 I don't know why, but it just is. And

Speaker 16 I had a summer job one year.

Speaker 13 She's talking about Chuck Todd.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it's

Speaker 16 Sleepy Eyes. That's my favorite Trump nick name of all time.
Sleepy Eyes. Sleepy Eyes, because it's so specific.
And it's something you didn't know was accurate until he said it.

Speaker 13 And you're like so many of Trump's nicknames.

Speaker 16 You're like, oh. But I would watch your show during my lunch break, and I just have these memories of sitting on the floor and watching.
And just, I loved you specifically.

Speaker 14 So it's very, very special.

Speaker 13 I feel like we were meant to be together. Apparently.
I too, like, I actually did not think I was going to go into news. I thought I was going to practice law for the rest of my life.

Speaker 13 But, you know, in 10th grade, I took an aptitude test, one of those things that tells you, like, what you should do.

Speaker 13 And you know what it said? I should become a political journalist.

Speaker 14 You're just kidding. Yeah.

Speaker 13 You believe that? At age 14 or 15, it said you should be a political journalist. I wound up, you know, becoming a lawyer.
And then when I was thinking about, well, what else could I do?

Speaker 13 This seemed like an obvious choice, but I had forgotten all about that.

Speaker 16 Did you remember it when you decided to go into news? Yes.

Speaker 13 And I did do like a two-day internship for the Albany Times Union when I was from Albany, New York. And it was very cool.
I followed around this reporter and I listened to him make his calls.

Speaker 13 And it was like, yeah, seemed like very hard-nosed, you know, shoe-leather reporter.

Speaker 13 And it was great because by the time I finally got my job at Fox, which was not my first job in news, it was my second job, but I was roomed with

Speaker 13 office mates with Major Garrett. You guys know Major Garrett, right? Remember him?

Speaker 13 So CBS now, but he truly was a shoe leather reporter who was like, he loves when I tell this story, but when I first walked into our office, I knocked over a huge pile of Maxim magazines.

Speaker 13 Then I kind of bumped into a file cabinet in his desk, and there was a big bottle of bourbon in there. I'm like, I'm home.

Speaker 14 That's a newsroom. Yeah.
Yep.

Speaker 13 So I love it too.

Speaker 16 There's something romantic about it.

Speaker 13 But you, you're, you know, I know that this word gets overused, but you are heterodox. So you came from a family that might lean right a bit,

Speaker 14 like a little.

Speaker 16 Well, no, so this is actually really interesting.

Speaker 16 At least from my perspective, it's interesting. I don't need to bore everyone with the details, but my dad is a union guy because he worked for the state of Wisconsin.
And my mom is in,

Speaker 16 I'm sorry, mom, I'm exposing you here, but she is in human resources. So she's a very, I know I said she was a great person earlier, but she's obviously a very bad person.

Speaker 16 So, you know, they had their own. My dad was raised Catholic.
My mom is sort of evangelical.

Speaker 16 And so I got that clash. You know, they didn't talk about politics all the time, but when they did, you know, when I was a senior in high school, it was Scott Walker's Act 10

Speaker 14 protests.

Speaker 16 My teachers were like leaving the classroom and calling out sick. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 16 But my parents were sort of on different sides of that one.

Speaker 13 The YAF is that's Scott Walker's organization for young people, Young Americans Foundation. And it's, so that's why I just assumed you were conservative.
I mean

Speaker 13 you don't track conservative now. You track like I never know where you're going to land on an issue, which I like.

Speaker 16 Interesting.

Speaker 16 So I still, I mean, for me, the most important thing is just being a Christian. And I feel like everything else follows from that.

Speaker 16 And so it's, it's, you know, I identify, like, people always ask, what kind of conservative are you, libertarian, moderate, whatever?

Speaker 16 I just feel like I'm normal conservative, but the Trump era has been, it's tested, I think, my politics in all kinds of different

Speaker 14 ways.

Speaker 13 Yes, all of us. Yeah.
But you will surprise, like, that's kind of the theme of our evening because you and Glenn,

Speaker 13 like, there's so much on which we overlap, but then there's a whole other, you know, realm where we don't overlap. And, but I like that about you.
I mean, I love that.

Speaker 13 And people, like, people who are really, really pro-Israel will say, like, why do you have Glenn on? I'm like, because I fucking love him.

Speaker 14 Yeah, man. Why wouldn't I have Glenn on?

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 13 You know, like, we've gotten to this place where now, even within the conservative circles, people are like, no, you can't platform that person because they have views that I object to, or they've said things I object to.

Speaker 13 It's like, no,

Speaker 13 I don't care about views some people may find objectionable. Now, if you've lost your ever-loving mind, I'm probably not going to have you on the show because I want my audience not to be misled.

Speaker 13 But different views from my own, of course. So,

Speaker 13 how are you looking at what's happening right now on the right?

Speaker 16 Yeah, I mean, so I had this experience when I was probably 26 or something of starting to host a show with someone who's a democratic socialist, basically, Ryan Grimm.

Speaker 16 And Ryan is a wonderful human being, and I learned from that

Speaker 16 the labels because people would apply labels to Ryan, even things that I would have thought of Ryan before I knew him.

Speaker 16 And they just all dissolve when you're forced to be in close proximity with someone having challenging conversations. And you see how they are as a dad and a husband.

Speaker 16 And you realize it's so easy to jump to labels because politics is so personal.

Speaker 16 And I mean, the Israel stuff obviously looms over so much of what we talk about on the right now, which I find it to get very boring to be honest.

Speaker 16 But it's just the labels that I was told to apply to people who thought one way, I just saw up close and personal that they weren't right.

Speaker 16 And for me, I think it's just amazing that I'm forced to challenge myself all the time to talk to the guests that Ryan wants to bring on or Crystal Ball wants to bring on.

Speaker 13 I love Crystal Ball. She's a leftist.
She's kind of a democratic socialist a little bit, but she's totally brilliant and very cool and a beautiful person inside and out.

Speaker 13 But it does require you to spend time with people who are of that ilk to realize, right, okay, we disagree ardently, but I have love for this person. Right.
And we need that now more than ever.

Speaker 14 I know, right? I know. And this is like, it just...

Speaker 16 People, this is, I think we're seeing this happen a lot right now, is that someone gets categorized as bad because you believe their politics will lead to something bad, which is totally fair.

Speaker 16 It doesn't make the person bad for coming to a different side on that question. They had a different background experience, and I think they're so wrong.

Speaker 16 And I think their wrongness, like Zoran Mamdani, I think his wrongness is going to lead to a lot of misery in New York City.

Speaker 16 I don't think my friends who feel like the status quo in New York City has amiserated them are wrong to be like, hey, maybe I want to give this guy a chance. I don't think it makes him a bad person.

Speaker 16 I think it makes them wrong, but not wrong as people, not wrong morally.

Speaker 13 They'll be living under Sharia law soon.

Speaker 13 I got to say that the Zora Mamdami does scare me. He scares me.
It's not even the socialism, which does scare me too. But like the fact that he went down and embraced that Imam.

Speaker 13 Did you guys see the story?

Speaker 13 He loves this Imam in Manhattan. This guy literally testified for the defense when the blind sheikh was tried for bombing the World Trade Center the first time.
He testified for the defense.

Speaker 16 Wasn't he a character witness?

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 13 Yes. For the blind sheikh.

Speaker 13 And he said a lot of terror-loving things this imam who Zura Mamdami is embracing and called a pillar of our community like last week it's not like all three years ago some random rope line where he had a picture see that guy scares me he's very focused on Palestine he's very focused on Muslim what what mosque did you did you visit did you see that in the New York debate that was his test for Andrew Quom what mosque did you no no mosque that's what that's why Andrew Quom was so weak he should have said I didn't visit any mosque this is a Judeo-Christian country this is a Judeo-Christian city Muslims make up 9%.

Speaker 13 And I didn't visit their mosque. And I don't need to visit their mosque.

Speaker 16 Maybe the worst candidate in the history of bad candidates is Andrew Bromo.

Speaker 16 Post-COVID. They've been like, yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it. Let's put our money behind that guy.

Speaker 13 I'm usually like, can you shout out if you care about the New York mayoral race?

Speaker 13 You do? Okay. So I never know whether people, you know, obviously we live in the area.
My family, I live in the area, so we care.

Speaker 13 But I think I'd care even if I lived in San Francisco, because New York is our crown jewel. I mean, it's an amazing, amazing American city.
And I think it's the greatest city in the world, bar none.

Speaker 13 And we're about to hand it over to a lunatic who doesn't know what he's doing. That's our only saving grace is that he doesn't know what he's doing.
So maybe he'll just be so incompetent, but

Speaker 13 I am also interested in how we got here.

Speaker 13 Like how did him, how did New Yorkers who are not fools get so desperate that they would consider this guy?

Speaker 16 That is such an interesting question.

Speaker 16 And even just for asking it, you know, if you don't ask it the right way or whatever, people pile on and it makes it so hard to get, first of all, it makes it hard for both parties to seed good candidates because they don't want anybody who, like, Marjorie Taylor Greene is a really good example of someone who I think, you know, growing up in Wisconsin, Marjorie Taylor Greene, I know she's from Georgia, but like that is a person that you know and the political system is trying to make it impossible for her to exist as a normal non-political robot.

Speaker 16 She is like the top small dollar fundraising Republican in Congress And they are trying to make it impossible because she just colors outside the lines.

Speaker 16 And coloring outside the lines sometimes means having uncomfortable conversations.

Speaker 16 Like what on earth happened that Democrats in New York looked at Andrew Cuomo and said, this guy, he's been around a long time. We are going with the 33-year-old Democratic socialist, right?

Speaker 16 That's a huge problem. And now if he wins the race, which he probably will,

Speaker 16 again, the level of desperation that has to be behind people going with that, unbelievable.

Speaker 14 I know.

Speaker 13 The economic problems are not getting addressed on the right or the left. People are still suffering.
This is actually a big threat to Trump come the midterms, right?

Speaker 13 Because he's still not scoring well in the polls on people's economic issues.

Speaker 13 And while he's doing everything he can, I mean, Trump would say his tariff plan is actually to help on the economic issues.

Speaker 13 He gets so much guff over it, but so far, I feel like it's actually going pretty well.

Speaker 16 I'm a tariff person, so

Speaker 13 but that's another thing on which he, people were not open-minded. They were knee-jerk criticism of Trump.
And so far, he's brought in quite a bit of revenue on it.

Speaker 13 And it's helped us get Mexico to crack down on its fentanyl labs. It's helped us with Canada.
I don't know. I'm very open-minded on the tariffs, but it's another thing you're not allowed to touch.

Speaker 14 Mm-mm.

Speaker 16 No, you can't talk about it. No, and before Trump came along, nobody would ever suggest a tariff anywhere near what some of his tariffs have been.
Oh, hell no, no, Republican. No, no Republican.

Speaker 16 Yeah, exactly. It was like Bernie, basically.

Speaker 16 But what he's doing, I don't know how the tariff war is going to end, but I do know that he has scared the hell out of all of these countries who were getting a much better deal than we were and now realize supply chains are going to shift, they have to adjust because the U.S.

Speaker 16 isn't going back. I mean, Biden kept a significant part of Trump 1.0 tariffs because that is where the country has to go.
I mean, it's clearly where the country has to go.

Speaker 16 So I don't know what happens with the tariffs at the end of the day, but the idea that we couldn't talk about this?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Insane. What do you think of the question one of the audience members asked about where we should stand on Israel?

Speaker 14 Come on, Megan.

Speaker 14 It's fine.

Speaker 13 I know you've got different views on this, but that's fine. I think people want to hear that.
They want to hear the different views.

Speaker 16 Well, no, no, I think it's, I mean, so

Speaker 16 I have one particular story that started to change the way that I thought about Israel as someone who grew up, again, I grew up like Missouri Synod Lutherans, we may be LCMS, but very like low church evangelical culture.

Speaker 16 And so left behind books, the rapture, all of that fun stuff, and never questioned it that much, never questioned that sort of dispensationalist reading of scripture. And

Speaker 16 the story of a Christian American journalist named Shireen Abu Akla, who was killed in, I think it was the West Bank. And she was, this was like 2021.

Speaker 16 That story really piqued my interest.

Speaker 16 You know, I used to have a rule with Ryan that for, I shouldn't say this, but I'm going to, for every one story we covered about Israel, I would make him cover a story about trans athletes.

Speaker 13 Did we win him over on that issue?

Speaker 16 I don't know, actually, that's a good question.

Speaker 16 We don't talk about it that much because after October 7th, we did so much Israel coverage.

Speaker 16 And when she was killed, I started asking some people I really trusted on the right, because I had to cover the story. What's going on here? Like,

Speaker 16 this seems seems weird. It looks like she was targeted.
What's happening? And what I heard made a lot of sense to me, which is the IDF has no reason to do this. Why would the IDF do this?

Speaker 16 And I saw the Biden administration basically taking the Israeli government's propaganda and regurgitating it.

Speaker 16 And I really didn't like being lied to about an American, about a Christian, and about a journalist's death.

Speaker 16 And eventually, the IDF came out and said, you know, this was our mistake but it took weeks and they pretty clearly knew it right away.

Speaker 16 I mean it's almost impossible to imagine they didn't know it right away. You could actually see the bullet pattern behind the tree that she was shot in front of and after that it just sort of

Speaker 16 the

Speaker 16 paradigm shifted for me as to how I evaluated these stories and I still think you know it's you know this better than anyone right now.

Speaker 16 You just said you're pro-Israel. I too am pro-Israel and you can even saying that isn't enough sometimes.

Speaker 16 So I think people underestimate the degree to which just that in and of itself has created skepticism because people really don't like our government regurgitating foreign propaganda and then being told you can't question it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, no, that I mean,

Speaker 13 look at how much we rip on our own government.

Speaker 14 We rip on our own government all the time.

Speaker 13 We'd rip on it whether Trump's in there. We certainly ripped on it a lot when Biden was in there.
You can rip on our government, and we do all the time.

Speaker 14 Israel's certainly fair game. Oh, yeah.
They're not even our government. Why can't we rip on Israel?

Speaker 13 We absolutely can rip on Israel. Ripping on Israel is a fine thing to do.
Doesn't mean, in my view, you don't go so far as to say, I'm an anti-Zionist and they can't exist. Like, that's a crazy town.

Speaker 13 But I really strongly reject the attempts to stifle the criticism against them because they spent a long time trying to tell us, you can criticize Israel at the beginning of this war, just don't be anti-Semitic.

Speaker 13 Okay, got it. And then, as soon as many of us started to get more critical of Israel, it was, you're an anti-Semite.
Well, no, we're not going to play that game.

Speaker 16 Oh, my gosh. And

Speaker 16 the Israeli media is more critical of Israel than sometimes the American media is. Like, it's incredible.

Speaker 16 Like, following the Israeli media after October 7th has been very eye-opening as well, because their conversations are actually much more

Speaker 16 big picture and broad and include a more diverse array of voices.

Speaker 13 Yes, well, I mean, look, it's not like our media has figured out the perfect formula either.

Speaker 16 No, that's for sure.

Speaker 13 And speaking of that, I want to ask you about what's happening at the White House and the Renault.

Speaker 14 Ooh.

Speaker 13 The media has lost its ever-loving eye. I actually have my notes here because I wanted to read exactly what they're saying.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 13 Maria Shriver. You know her? She's Kennedy.

Speaker 13 It breaks my heart and infuriates me.

Speaker 14 The addition of a ballroom.

Speaker 13 Why is she so worked up? Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Speaker 13 It's not his house, it's our house, and he's destroying it. And what does she do? She starts selling hats with that on it to make money off of the White House yet again.

Speaker 13 Such a grifter.

Speaker 13 The bulwark, which exists only to bring down Trump,

Speaker 13 as soon as the Democrat gets in there, the addition must be raised, R-A-Z-E-D, must be completely demolished, and any sign of Trump's ballroom must be gotten rid of.

Speaker 13 The media doesn't talk about all the Renault that has been done by so many other presidents in the past and by Obama's nearly $400 million Renault, which is less than what Trump is doing, or the fact that we we didn't have an adequate space for like dignitaries to gather and have a celebration inside the White House.

Speaker 13 And then I'll give you one more. Gretchen Carlson, who I used to work with at Fox.

Speaker 13 She gets out there and she was like, I was there when they signed the sexual harassment, whatever, in the East Room, and now it's been demolished.

Speaker 16 Indelible. And then

Speaker 13 the East Room is part of the main White House. Like when you walk in the front door, the northern entry, it's one of those rooms where they still hold ceremonies ceremonies all the time.

Speaker 13 Not to be confused with the East Wing, which only has a couple of offices

Speaker 13 supposed to be used by the First Lady.

Speaker 13 They are two entirely different things, but these are the people who are supposed to be our media bettors educating us about how bad Trump is and why it's terrible what he's doing.

Speaker 16 The New York Times had an amazing story on this where they tried to cite examples of the history that the East Wing means to the country, all of the history that's taken place in the East Wing, which was built, I think, in 1902 under Teddy Roosevelt.

Speaker 16 So it's, I mean, people in general, I think, think the White House is much older than it is. A lot of it is pretty new, but the Times story, I'm telling you this is true.

Speaker 16 The three examples they cite, first, they say, the East Wing, where Bill Clinton used to meet with Dick Morris without his staff knowing.

Speaker 13 Oh, oh,

Speaker 13 the White House's latest additions to its website, you're saying.

Speaker 16 No, no, no. This is actually, that is incredible too.
The New York Times really was like, God rest the East Wing. This is where Bill Clinton used to meet with Dick Morris without his staff noting.

Speaker 16 Their second example is that this is where Dick Cheney was rushed away on 9-11. And their third example is it's where Donald Trump was taken during 2020 protests.

Speaker 16 It's like, these are the three examples you could come up with of the reverent sacred East Wing history.

Speaker 14 Dick fucking Morris? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 13 I believe it's dickmorris.com.

Speaker 14 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 13 Dickmorris.com. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 13 Wait, so that actually reminds me, this is also on my notes, which I laughed at, because the White House added something to its website today because they wanted to underscore the historic nature of the White House.

Speaker 13 And here it is. Hold on, you've got to hear this.

Speaker 13 So they put up a major events timeline on the White House website, and it now includes sections detailing all the renovations over the decades, and also the following. 1998,

Speaker 14 Bill Clinton's affair with intern Monica Lewinsky.

Speaker 14 It's on whitehouse.gov, but you can look it up.

Speaker 13 President Bill Clinton's affair with intern Monica Lewinsky was exposed, leading to White House perjury investigation. The Oval Office Trists fueled impeachment for obstruction.

Speaker 13 2012, Obama hosting members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Speaker 13 2023, Hunter Biden losing his cocaine in the White House.

Speaker 13 So good.

Speaker 13 There's nobody better at trolling than the Trump White House. Nobody.

Speaker 16 And you want to talk history?

Speaker 13 Let's talk history. We love the historic nature of the White House.

Speaker 16 You missed the best entry on the timeline, which is the Trans Day of Visibility.

Speaker 14 Yes. Did you see that one?

Speaker 13 Yes, that's Tranny showing off his boobs on the front of the White House lawn.

Speaker 16 And they put that on whitehouse.gov as part of the tour of historical moments.

Speaker 13 Can never be disturbed.

Speaker 14 No, no.

Speaker 13 But honestly, this all goes back to the media and how if it weren't for people like you and independent media, people wouldn't know these facts.

Speaker 13 The media is not telling you any of that stuff about the prior renovations of the White House or how this is actually not a big deal and how Obama spent a lot lot more on his renov than Trump did on his for something that no one really cared about.

Speaker 13 And it is thanks to independent media that you already know a lot of this. You came in knowing a lot of this.
And so it's the antidote, you know, that the media has driven people crazy.

Speaker 13 I think it's had a big role in radicalizing the left and causing this tendency towards political violence.

Speaker 13 And the antidote, yes, is what we're doing here tonight and what you guys are doing by listening to these shows and what we're doing in independent media to counteract all the lies.

Speaker 16 I couldn't agree with that more.

Speaker 14 It's

Speaker 16 the experience, let's just take this East Wing example of somebody Googling to try and figure out whether Donald Trump is actually destroying sacred American history.

Speaker 16 They Google, they read a New York Times story, they look on NBC.com or whatever, and they come away thinking, okay, so this is really serious. And then they decide, but these are fairly left.

Speaker 16 Let me just go and see what other people are saying.

Speaker 16 And they're like, these things are completely opposed to one another. Like these two points are completely opposed to one another.

Speaker 16 And so, just like for the good of the country, like that experience, we have all had it.

Speaker 14 We probably all have it like once a week.

Speaker 16 It is so hard to vote, to make decisions about your own life. I mean, during COVID, to make decisions about your personal health, about your kids, about schools.

Speaker 16 How are people supposed to share any truth anymore? Like, you can't do it. So, it's desperately needed.

Speaker 14 All right.

Speaker 13 We are going to pause it here with Emily. We're going to bring out Glenn, and then Emily's coming on back on the back end.
Thank you so much, my friend. Thank you, Megan.

Speaker 14 Love you.

Speaker 14 You're looking awesome. Thank you.

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Speaker 13 I met Glenn years ago, but before we actually met each other, Glenn had been saying nice things about me in the media, even though I was at Fox News and he was at the Guardian.

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Speaker 13 And from that moment forward, a beautiful friendship was born. I wound up having him on my show and when I got into Independent Media, he was the first guest on my show.

Speaker 13 And he's been on my show more than any other guest. Glenn Greenwald, a leftist former Guardian reporter.

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Speaker 13 Take a look at Glenn Greenwald's show here.

Speaker 13 There's no wonder that the country hates the media and no longer trusts it. These people in the media are held in complete contempt.

Speaker 14 It just has a stench of a cover-up in a way that's very dangerous and deceitful to lie to the public for so many years about the person who has the nuclear codes and what their mental state is.

Speaker 13 There is not a thing that comes to mind.

Speaker 14 I don't know. I never thought about that before.

Speaker 13 I'll get back to you right now. Nothing's coming to mind.

Speaker 14 That is stunning. This is real contempt and hatred in a marriage.

Speaker 10 The way you're chewing makes me want to smack you upset.

Speaker 14 The only time I ever see Cops of Shala Baba is when you force me to see them.

Speaker 13 That's why you're the Megan Kelly Show godfather.

Speaker 8 The godfather of the Megan Kelly Show, exactly.

Speaker 14 The Godfather himself. Let's rewall, everybody.

Speaker 15 This is the first time we've ever met.

Speaker 13 Can you believe that?

Speaker 13 Bizarre. Today is the first time.

Speaker 14 We talked about that on your, the last time I was on your show because in this world, you can not meet someone physically and know them so well. And we were talking about we're very good good friends.

Speaker 14 It was bizarre. How do we have a very good friendship and never have met before? So we've rectified that now.

Speaker 13 So it is funny, though, how it began, right? Like,

Speaker 13 has it ever happened before or since? A Guardian reporter saying something nice about a Fox News reporter. But in that moment, a beautiful friendship was born.
We just didn't know it yet.

Speaker 14 We didn't. It took a few years for us to allow the walls to erode.
But no, I remember it was very kind of serendipitous. I was watching Fox, and in that era, I didn't do that much.

Speaker 14 I was constantly on MSNBC and CNN. And you had your Fox show, and I remember you started interviewing Republican senators, and it was adversarial, even a little mean, but very professional, but mean.

Speaker 14 And for me, as someone who was always on MSNBC, where Democratic senators are treated like high priests, like the paragons of virtue, never asked a hard question, I said, wait a minute, I kept hearing on Fox that it's this deeply partisan network that only feeds people what they want to hear, and yet here's a 9 o'clock p.m.

Speaker 14 host, prime time, with big ratings, who's beloved by conservatives, pounding Republican politicians with hard questions the way she's supposed to as a journalist.

Speaker 14 And yeah, I remember a Politico called me when they were doing a profile on you and said, hey, you've been praising Megan Kelly. That's really weird.
You're on the left. She's a conservative.

Speaker 14 And I said, you know, for me, journalism is way higher for a journalist than partisan affiliation. And she does the sort of thing that I think we need more of and respect.

Speaker 14 And I remember people on the left were horrified. How can you praise Megan Kelly?

Speaker 13 She's a Nazi.

Speaker 14 And I was like, what? Megan Kelly?

Speaker 13 She's a Nazi? I was a Nazi before it was cool.

Speaker 14 Exactly. You were.
You were. You were.

Speaker 14 But yeah, that's what, you know, I think that's one of the things we share that, again, took a while for us to realize.

Speaker 13 That's exactly right. So

Speaker 13 the first thing I remember you reached out to me on or you said something public on was an exchange I had with then Vice President Dick Cheney. And actually we have the soundbite.
I don't know.

Speaker 13 Let's see if this works. We haven't played a site yet at one of these.
Let's see. This is the moment.

Speaker 13 Rarely has the U.S. President been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.
But time and time again, history has proven that you got it wrong as well in Iraq, sir.

Speaker 13 You said there was no doubt Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. You said we would be greeted as liberators.
You said the Iraq insurgency was in the last throes back in 2005.

Speaker 13 And you said that after our intervention, extremists would have to, quote, rethink their strategy of jihad. Now, with almost a trillion dollars spent there, with 4,500 American lives lost there,

Speaker 13 what do you say to those who say you were so wrong about so much at the expense of so many?

Speaker 28 No, I just fundamentally disagree with Reagan. Megan,

Speaker 25 you've got to go back and look at the track record.

Speaker 28 We inherited a situation where there was no doubt in anybody's mind.

Speaker 14 All right, you get the hint. You see how it goes.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 20 if you heard it, he called me Reagan.

Speaker 13 So he got rattled. And let me tell you something.
I was a little scared to ask that question too, because Dick Cheney is scary.

Speaker 14 He's scary. He He has all of them, Halliburton, and yeah, he was called Darth Cheney, which is a very appropriate nickname.
But

Speaker 14 they were rattled. You saw them there.
Because I don't think people, by the way, this is called journalism. And

Speaker 14 this is, I think it's so important. You know, we were talking before about how unpopular media is.
And it is. Our profession is held in extremely low esteem, deservedly so.
In fact, I think 27%

Speaker 14 is too high. I mean, it's barely above, you know, know, like syphilis and Congress, and it's deserved.
It's below

Speaker 13 cockroaches, below.

Speaker 14 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 14 But I think it's so important to realize that when you hate the media and you know you should because they're so dishonest and deceitful and destructive, journalism remains really important.

Speaker 14 We need journalism. It's not that we're against journalism, it's we're against people who pretend to be journalists, but who would never do anything like that.

Speaker 14 And I think that's such an important value to a friend.

Speaker 13 That's what's so galling to me is it's like now I'm in sort of a different business. I'm still a journalist, but now I'm doing a lot more commentary too.

Speaker 13 And I have nothing but disdain for the people who won't do that.

Speaker 13 It's not that hard. You don't want to do it.

Speaker 13 You're kind of hitting your own side. You know that.
I mean, I'm on Fox News. I'm well aware of how Roger Ailes at the time feels about Dick Cheney.

Speaker 13 But you have to force yourself to because you have integrity. It's the job that you signed up to do.
And you just never see it.

Speaker 13 Not to toot my own horn, but I'm just saying you don't watch MSNBC and ever see them give their side any sort of guff, and we've really suffered as a result because like in my lane, I don't have access to people on the left.

Speaker 13 Leftist politicians won't come on my show. They would never subject themselves to that kind of tough questioning.

Speaker 13 And the left that does have access won't do it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, you know, it was funny. I was talking to Emily

Speaker 14 before he came on, and we were both talking about how, and I was describing to her, trying to describe to her my worldview. You know, people are always trying to discover, is he on the left?

Speaker 14 Is he on the right? And I think people have a hard time knowing your ideology with precision either. And for me, you know, I decided to become a journalist, not a politician.

Speaker 14 I'm not a party operative. I could have been that.
I'm not a spokesperson for a politician. I could have been that too, as you could you.
I decided to become a journalist.

Speaker 14 And for me, that entails obligations.

Speaker 14 And I think the primary view, worldview that I have being a journalist, is that it's always dangerous for human beings to have lots of power and lots of money with no pushback, no scrutiny, no journalistic examination.

Speaker 14 And so whoever has the most power, that's who I'm going to be adversarial to, not because I dislike them, not because I hate them, not because I want to destroy their reputation, but because our society needs people with power to be accountable, to have to answer hard questions no matter who it is.

Speaker 13 It's very hard to do, I have to say, because it's like I'm so relieved that Trump got elected that like I'm completely rooting for him, but you have to be honest about you know his pitfalls too.

Speaker 13 And so the way I've handled that on our show is I'll bring on somebody like you who will be very critical of Kilmar Obrego-Garcia and how that was handled, for example.

Speaker 13 And I want the audience to hear your point of view.

Speaker 13 And I can easily defend Trump on it as I have with you, but I want them to know this actually is controversial and there's a very robust set of criticisms of Trump here and let the audience hear them.

Speaker 13 But that, too, is just so rare. Like, if you want to hear an actual debate that's substantive between smart people on any place on cable news or broadcast, you can't.

Speaker 14 First of all, the format doesn't permit it. You know, you have to speak for eight minutes in between commercial breaks.
Nobody can have a real debate. People have to speak in clichés.

Speaker 14 I mean, it's very difficult with that little time. Independent media allows a lot more time.
I think we argued about that or about, you know, the student protesters for 20 minutes.

Speaker 14 I mean, argued in a very, you know, civil sense. And we were able to, you know, immediately after move on to something where we agreed on and not have it affect our friendship in any way.

Speaker 14 And I think that is what we're missing. But the only reason that works is because,

Speaker 14 you know, I think I have credibility to do it.

Speaker 14 I'm somebody who defended Donald Trump when I was very much associated with the lab, knew Russia Gate was bullshit from the start, just journalistically false. I thought it was a dangerous scandal.

Speaker 14 And I went around, you know, saying that everywhere. I mean, I was virtually Tucker's co-host.
I was on that show so much, you know.

Speaker 14 And people are like, wait a minute, what's going on here, Tucker, Glengirl? But, you know, and I've defended him on his views on Ukraine. So

Speaker 14 I think when I'm criticizing him, people understand it's not coming from a place of partisanship or a flexive, you know, desire to attack Trump.

Speaker 14 It's just, and I think this debate inside the Magna movement, inside the right about Ukraine, about Israel, these things are really healthy.

Speaker 14 You don't want a mindlessly unified population behind a leader. You want people saying, wait a minute, you campaigned on this.
I supported you on that. When is this going to happen?

Speaker 14 And I think the conservative movement has done that. as well as anybody.

Speaker 14 Wait, where are the Epstein files? Why is this war still going on?

Speaker 14 And that is really healthy and important.

Speaker 13 That's exactly right. And I think Republicans are are very good at infighting.
I mean, they're excellent at infighting, much better than the left, which the left sticks together. I have to say,

Speaker 13 they get their people in line. That Nancy Pelosi, she rules with an iron 200-year-old fist.

Speaker 13 There's something to be admired there.

Speaker 14 With a very healthy stock portfolio. Very healthy.
Always increases as she stays in college.

Speaker 13 It's amazing how they've called the stocks. Almost like an NBA basketball player at a poker table.

Speaker 14 Very timely.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 13 So tell us a little bit about your background, because you have a very interesting background, Glenn.

Speaker 13 Tell us how you got into this line of work, because it started with a blog.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, I was a lawyer litigating constitutional cases in New York. I wasn't really that interested politically in the 90s.
It seemed a little bit low stakes. You know, the Cold War was over.

Speaker 14 Like, the election in 1996 was Bill Clinton versus Bob Dole.

Speaker 14 I'm not saying it's unimportant, but who gets excited about that? And, you know, the big scandal was the Monola Kalinsky scandal. It just, I wasn't, I didn't find it nourishing.

Speaker 14 And I focused a lot on the Constitution, which I revered and still do. But then after 9-11, you know, I was living in New York.
I was on in Manhattan on 9-11.

Speaker 14 And it was, you know, had all the same emotions as everybody else, rage and sadness, and thirst for vengeance.

Speaker 14 And then very quickly, I began to believe that this was being exploited by people who had pre-existing agendas.

Speaker 14 to do things like introduce the Patriot Act and warrantless spying on Americans and arresting Americans on.

Speaker 13 How did you see that? Like, what was it in your recent past that led to just your love of the Constitution? Because a lot of us saw that and then were quick to defend it because we were scared.

Speaker 14 Right. And like I said, I understood that I shared those emotions.
I'm human. I was in New York.
You know, I remember walking around for a week.

Speaker 14 and smelling the debris in the World Trade Center and seeing on the lamppost, you know, these desperate families putting up pictures of their loved ones saying, missing, please call if you.

Speaker 14 And they knew, you know, obviously everybody knew that they were deceased. It was horrific.
So I shared those emotions.

Speaker 14 It wasn't wasn't like those were alien to me but at the same time i also did believe and i still do in this all the things we're taught to believe as americans what makes our country great it's not that we have this landmass it's not that you know we have a pretty flag it's that the founders of our country designed this brilliant system designed to avoid the pitfalls of tyranny and authoritarianism that they had just fought an extremely dangerous war against the most powerful empire on the planet to liberate themselves from they were eager not to replicate it and i studied these texts like the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and these debates, and I believed in them.

Speaker 14 And so when I saw our government spying on people without warrants and empowering detention with no due process of American citizens on American soil, these were the kind of things I was taught to expect never going to happen in the United States.

Speaker 14 And yes, I understood people were afraid, but I also knew that authoritarianism resides where people, where governments and people in power can put the population in fear and then tell them, acquiesce to everything we demand, because that's the only way you're going to stay safe.

Speaker 14 And if you dissent at all or you question us, you're going to be endangered, and so is your family. It's a very dangerous but powerful form of propaganda.

Speaker 13 And it worked like a charm.

Speaker 14 Perfectly, yeah. Like a charm.

Speaker 13 So you start this blog and you start writing about these issues and let's just go through the time. Like it was 2013.

Speaker 13 Was that the day, the third day?

Speaker 14 Yeah. So the day I started my blog was late 2005.
And I got kind of lucky. It was about three weeks.

Speaker 14 The New York Times broke this big story that they didn't actually even want to publish, but one of the reporters was going to break it in the book, so they published it and then won a Pulitzer and patted themselves on the back for their courage.

Speaker 14 But it was about how, right after 9-11, the U.S. government authorized the NSA to spy on Americans without warrants.
And that became an issue that I wrote about constantly.

Speaker 14 I was able to build a very big audience that way, just because it was a perfect confluence of my interest, and passion, and expertise as a lawyer.

Speaker 14 And, you know, that became sort of what my specialty was, was critiquing U.S. foreign policy.
I was very critical of Bush Cheney foreign policy, many of the ones that you brought up there.

Speaker 14 And then Obama got into office campaigning to undo all them, but instead extending many of them, strengthening and expanding many of them.

Speaker 14 And I started criticizing Obama on the same grounds that I was criticizing Bush and Cheney when they were doing the same things. And a bunch of liberals were saying, were attacking me.

Speaker 14 And I was like, wait, four seconds ago, you also thought these things were bad, but now it transformed at the hands of this benevolent, kind, you know, intellect, Barack Obama.

Speaker 14 You know, I started having getting disillusioned.

Speaker 14 And at the time, one of my readers was Edward Snowden, and he was working inside the CIA and the NSA and became convinced that there was a lot going on inside the U.S.

Speaker 14 government about how these agencies were violating their core mission, which was never to turn their machinery inward on the American people.

Speaker 14 It was supposed to be directed at our adversaries and our enemies.

Speaker 14 Right, and there were several war and terror whistleblowers who, you know, said, I worked at the CIA, worked at the NSA, I was always told, this is what we're never going to do because it will destroy the fabric of our country.

Speaker 14 And Edward Snowden was inside the NSA and saw that they were converting the internet, which is supposed to be this tool of liberation and democratization and empowerment of individuals, into

Speaker 14 the most repressive and omnipotent system of coercion and surveillance ever in human history. And he contacted journalists in late 2012.
He contacted me.

Speaker 14 And then my colleague Laura Poitras, who directed Citizen 4, that won the Oscar. She did a film on our work together.

Speaker 13 That's the film for which he won an Oscar.

Speaker 14 Yeah, well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Hong Kong.

Speaker 14 We flew to to Hong Kong and met him, and the minute we got there, she, who's a brilliant filmmaker, she had been nominated for Academy Awards before, she turned the camera on and started filming my work with Snowden, and it became a documentary that was filmed in real time, not with talking heads talking retroactively.

Speaker 14 And that, you know, story, I think, changed the way a lot of people thought, not just about privacy and surveillance, but about democracy.

Speaker 14 You know, how do we have these unaccountable agencies off in the dark making some of the most consequential decisions ever with no one even in Congress knew, let alone the population.

Speaker 14 And how do we have democracy if you have this deep state that operates with no accountability?

Speaker 13 How did the Pulitzer Prize change your life?

Speaker 14 To be honest, you know, I... Oh, that's nice.
That's nice. Thank you.
It's not easy to win one.

Speaker 13 It's even tougher to win a Nobel Prize.

Speaker 14 I was very divided because it's given to you by the media. And I hated the media.
And I was like, wait a minute, why are they bestowing me with awards?

Speaker 14 But I actually heard and was very happy about the fact that there was a big internal war because they didn't want to give that to me, but kind of had to.

Speaker 14 So that made me feel better about getting this like shameful, dirty to war. All these stuff upset everyone.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and it's just something nobody can ever take away from you. You know, it's very difficult for journalists to try and deny.
You know, I know they do this to you too.

Speaker 14 Oh, you're not really a journalist. Yeah.
And I'm like, look over here. You know, every journalism award that exists is on the shelf.
And I just, that's the only real thing it does for me. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 13 So there was time when were you were out of the country and not you couldn't come back

Speaker 14 well the Obama administration got very threatening you know about the Snowden reporting they I don't know if you remember but when the president of Bolivia Ivo Morales went to Russia where Snowden was but they only went for a state meeting you know just like a standard state meeting between heads of sovereign countries The U.S.

Speaker 14 just had like an inkling that maybe his presidential plane was picking up Snowden to bring him back back to Bolivia, and they downed the plane forcibly.

Speaker 14 This was, I remember I went to the Russian consulate. I need a Russian visa.

Speaker 14 I was going to Russia to see Snowden, and these Russians came out and they were like, look, I know why your government hates Snowden.

Speaker 14 We wouldn't allow leaking of our secret information to you, but downing the plane of a president? Even to the Russians, they were like, I don't understand that.

Speaker 13 You're kind of in a glass house there.

Speaker 14 Yeah, they were, but I mean, it was really, you know, it's really a step too far.

Speaker 14 And they, you know, James Clapper and some Republican senators and Democratic members of Congress started openly talking about not just prosecuting Snowden, but also the journalist who worked with him, namely myself and Laura.

Speaker 14 And, you know, we would call up the Justice Department, our lawyers wouldn't say, is it safe for them to come back? And they would say, we can't guarantee that safety.

Speaker 14 So Laura was in Germany working on Citizen IV and the rest of the stories. She wouldn't leave Germany and I couldn't leave Brazil because the U.S.
government was being very menacing.

Speaker 14 And we only came back once the Pulitzers happened. And we figured the U.S.
government doesn't want the black eye publicity, putting in prison two people who just won the Pulitzers for reporting.

Speaker 13 Wow, it's incredible. So, flash forward, and then now that's 2013, seven years later, you've left The Guardian, you've started your own outlet called The Intercept.

Speaker 13 It's your concoction, your creation, your vision, and you're making it happen, you're publishing news the way you want it done.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 there comes a clash that leads to you leaving the very journalistic

Speaker 13 organization you founded

Speaker 13 because they wouldn't let you report honestly on Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, it was the reason why it was so amazing was when we started the intercept, and it was myself and Laura Poitras and other investigative journalist Jeremy Scahill, all of whom had done battle with the deep state and done reporting of that kind.

Speaker 14 The idea was we want to start a completely nonpartisan media outlet that is adversarial to people in power, especially to the agencies that don't get nearly enough journalistic attention and scrutiny.

Speaker 14 I think a lot of corporate media outlets were very captive to these agencies, subservient to them, and they exercise great power.

Speaker 14 And so the idea was we're going to start a media outlet that has no ideology or partisan affiliation.

Speaker 14 And it worked for a while, and then Donald Trump came in 2016, and we did a lot of reporting on the emails that were released from Hillary Clinton through Wikileaks, because it revealed a lot of incriminating

Speaker 14 information about this very powerful politician who was the frontrunner for the 2016 election. And I think our editors were all kind of liberals.
you know, we hired editors.

Speaker 14 I wanted to do the journalism, not sit in HR meetings and budget meetings. I wanted to do journalism.

Speaker 14 They were all liberals in Brooklyn, but they figured, I'll let them go, you know, reporting on Hillary. She's going to win anyway.
And then Trump won. And all their friends said,

Speaker 14 what is wrong with you?

Speaker 14 You helped Trump win. You did negative reporting on Hillary.
And I remember the night of the election, you know, we had these like virtual newsrooms where everyone gathered.

Speaker 14 And someone said, our coverage, everybody was crying. People were crying.
These were journalists crying. I mean, like sad tears.

Speaker 14 And somebody came and said, our coverage was very misogynistic, and we need to publicly apologize. Wow.
And I was like, go work for the Democratic Party. We're not apologizing for anything.

Speaker 14 This is our job. You know, this is our role.
And then in 2020,

Speaker 14 I knew the Hunter Biden laptop documents were authentic from the beginning because I had a lot of experience working on big archives.

Speaker 14 You know, the Snowden archive, WikiLeaks, I had a big reporting in Brazil that involved a large archive.

Speaker 13 And also the pictures made it pretty clear.

Speaker 14 The way you journalists authenticate archives, yes, the pictures were pretty authentic and pretty good for.

Speaker 14 But you know, the archive has emails written to five people. And you go to one of the people on the email chain and you say, show me in your phone this email that you got in real time.

Speaker 14 And they show it to you and it matches word for word what's in the archive. That's how journalists authenticate.
So I knew for sure,

Speaker 14 and I wanted to report on it. I wanted to get the documents, write about it, because Joe Biden was a major presidential candidate.

Speaker 14 And my editors, when they realized that I was working on it, came and said, according to the FBI, this is Russian disinformation.

Speaker 14 And remember, this was a news outlet founded to be adversarial to these security state agencies.

Speaker 14 And they were telling me, according to the FBI, as though that's gospel, the Biden FBI, this is Russian disinformation.

Speaker 14 I said, it's so obvious these materials are real, but I knew they said, there's no way we can allow you to publish this because the material isn't verified. The government claims it's fake.

Speaker 14 And I didn't start a media outlet to be told what I can and can't report, and I knew their motives were not journalistic, but

Speaker 14 political, and I left.

Speaker 13 You left your own organization?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I had to quit my own organization because if I can't report on major political candidates because editors want to manipulate the outcome of our politics in one way or another, Why would I stay?

Speaker 14 I can't do what I want to do, which is my job. And that became a reflection of the media writ large.

Speaker 14 They were so, they renounced completely their journalistic function, would have said or done anything to get Donald Trump defeated. That's what Rushigate was.

Speaker 14 And then that's what the lie about the Hunter Biden laptop was. They were petrified about what it showed about Joe Biden, so they were willing to lie about it.
These are journalists.

Speaker 14 And they're still lying about it to this day. To this day, they don't admit that.
They can't admit it because they were all so invested in it.

Speaker 13 Well, it's like watching, you know, first Kamala and now Karine Jean-Pierre and these book tours and these the dishonest media letting them get away with.

Speaker 13 You know, I only saw him for a brief time. I barely saw him on the plane over the way to the debate, so I didn't know he wasn't feeling well that night.
Like every word of that is a lie.

Speaker 14 She was the White House press secondary.

Speaker 13 Yes, you were in the White House with him daily for years. You knew he was infirm.
You covered it up. It wasn't about the plane ride over to the debate.

Speaker 13 But these same journalists were in on the whole thing, so they have to give her a pass. It's a dishonest second.

Speaker 14 I'm sure you remember, and this was, you know, there's so many different events that made me realize the depth of depravity and just deceit within our profession. And

Speaker 14 we watched Joe Biden on these videos even before that debate night in France and then having to be got off the stage by Obama.

Speaker 14 And I remember to this day, the Washington Post and the New York Times published a story saying the American right or conservatives are using, and they invented this new term, it was

Speaker 14 cheap fakes,

Speaker 14 where it was supposed to be defined as the video is real, but the context is somehow distorted.

Speaker 14 And one of the things they said that about was the night when Obama led

Speaker 14 Biden off the stage because he was completely, he didn't know where he was. Yeah, you could remember that video, right?

Speaker 13 They were at that fundraiser, and Biden was kind of wandering, and Obama like grabbed him by the hand, like put his hand around his back, and kind of shepherded him off.

Speaker 14 You had those vacant eyes that he always had, like, where am I? Yes. And,

Speaker 14 you know, the whole media said, oh, you're lying. That's not, he was totally present.
All the Democrats said he was president.

Speaker 14 And it turns out George Clooney, of course, after the election is over, admitted that when he wrote that New York Times op-ed calling for Biden to withdraw from the race, it was because on that night, even before that thing happened, he saw that there was no more Joe Biden, that it was, there was just, you know, a vacancy.

Speaker 13 He kept it to himself until after

Speaker 14 all everybody who saw it liars.

Speaker 13 Yes, George Clooney is a dishonest hack who's like a pretend wannabe journalist.

Speaker 14 who's not even really very good at acting.

Speaker 13 Never mind at journalists, at journalism anymore. But no, exactly.
They kept the secret amongst themselves until it was outed by Joe Biden himself.

Speaker 13 And I have to tell you, I've been thinking about the Joe Biden mental infirmity lately because I think so much of what we're dealing with right now as a country is directly linked to that.

Speaker 13 I mean, I am very much in favor of the full-fledged investigation into exactly how it went down. Because Joe Biden, he was a leftist, of course, but he wasn't one of these far-far leftists.

Speaker 13 He was always a little bit more moderate. He had been close to a blue dog.

Speaker 14 The real aft hated Joe Biden.

Speaker 13 They hated Joe Biden, exactly right. But he was tough on crime.

Speaker 14 He wasn't pro an open border. Very pro-Israel.
He wasn't woke.

Speaker 18 No, not woke.

Speaker 14 Very pro-pro-corporation. The left hated Joe Biden.

Speaker 13 So the behavior that Joe Biden brought into office from day one was anomalous to the man that we had come to know as a legislator, as a U.S. Senator.
And I...

Speaker 13 I firmly believe the reason we have now an extra 11 million illegals is because of his mental infirmity.

Speaker 13 Someone in that White House had an agenda that did not match his, and that's who made those decisions.

Speaker 14 We still don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 14 You look at so many media lies, Russia Gate, the Under Biden Laptop, all the lies about COVID.

Speaker 14 But to me, this is by far the biggest scandal because you have somebody who is in charge of the nuclear codes, someone who can start wars or end wars, somebody who makes decisions that affect the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans, billions of people on the planet, the world economy.

Speaker 14 And he was incapable of making those decisions.

Speaker 14 And I remember saying in real time all the time: yes, it's a political scandal that people are lying about Joe Biden's mental state, but the bigger question is: who's running the government?

Speaker 13 Who is insurance? Who's making these very consequential decisions? And I see person after person taking the fifth in the context of

Speaker 13 this investigation in them, like including his own personal doctor. It's very sketchy, and I truly think

Speaker 13 we need answers on that because

Speaker 13 look at the number of people who have died as a result of those illegals coming across the border that he just welcomed in for no apparent discernible reason other than it's humane.

Speaker 13 That's what he said, and encouraging. You know, you mentioned legal immigration, like, okay, technically legal immigration from Haiti to the tune of tens of thousands who were led in.

Speaker 13 Like, it's not like the Joe Biden who we knew, and someone made that decision other than him, I'm convinced of it. And that's why the media is so guilty.

Speaker 13 The original sin, as Jake Tapper put it in the name of his book, the media was in on it. They are complicit, they are equally to blame, and they're still misleading to this day.
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Speaker 13 Because now that we're getting into the media, we've got to talk about what was in Corine Jean-Pierre's book. I've got to read you the latest.
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Speaker 13 You guys are not going to believe what is in this book. Okay.

Speaker 14 Hi, Glenn. Hello, Emily.

Speaker 13 All right, the gang's all here. So, Corrine Jean-Pierre,

Speaker 13 you know, not content to just let Kamala look like the dumbest one in the administration,

Speaker 14 writes her own book, or someone wrote her book.

Speaker 13 And, you know, we've been talking on the show about how literally at every promotional appearance she she makes, what is she telling people?

Speaker 13 I'm black, I am black, and queer, queer too, don't forget my queerness.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 13 in fact, we have that queued up, just for those of you who have missed it, here's a little tasting. This is just of her promo tour.
This is not like going back in the archives.

Speaker 13 This is like literally in the last seven days. Watch.

Speaker 13 As a black woman, as a person who's also LGBTQ,

Speaker 21 as a black woman, as a black woman, I am a black woman, I am a queer woman, I am an immigrant.

Speaker 29 Being a black woman, as a black woman myself, that is the thing that I understood as a black woman, is that I meant a lot to people because of the communities that I represented.

Speaker 29 And whether it was women of color, black women, queer community, LGBTQ community, immigrant. And as a black woman, and I have my queerness too.

Speaker 16 It's like talking to Glenn.

Speaker 14 She's got her queerness.

Speaker 13 Glenn also has his queerness. He never talks about it.
Fine.

Speaker 14 Do you know her race, by the way, Corine Jean-Pierre? Her race? Yeah.

Speaker 13 She never talks about it.

Speaker 14 I know. She's very shy about it.

Speaker 13 She doesn't like attention call to it.

Speaker 16 She's Italian.

Speaker 13 You're not going to believe this.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 13 This is the great Matt Taibbi exposes this.

Speaker 13 A few pages later, after this other part, Jean-Pierre described her feelings after Trump won re-election, saying she wasn't surprised at all because America was too racist and sexist to elect Kamala Harris.

Speaker 13 Finally, these are quotes: About 1 a.m., I tumbled into bed. When I woke up, it was over.
Harris had lost. I received calls from friends who were distraught or numb with disbelief.

Speaker 13 But I wasn't surprised by the outcome. The truth was, I never really believed Harris could win.
Well, I mean, none of us did, but she had different reasons. But I wasn't surprised, okay?

Speaker 13 I never believed she could win. I've been in the body of a black woman all my life.

Speaker 13 She's changing it.

Speaker 13 I'm not just black, I've been in the body of a black woman, which sounds a little dirty. I like that, sounds a little naughty, doesn't it?

Speaker 13 Sounds like something a husband would say. She doesn't have a husband because of her queerness.

Speaker 13 I stood at the podium in the White House briefing room, traveled in my chocolate skin

Speaker 13 through rural areas, and all my experiences of blistering stares and racist assumptions left me unable to see this country electing a president who looked like me.

Speaker 13 Black women are tired. We're tired of being used and overlooked and taken for granted.

Speaker 13 That we will take on the extra tasks at work without pay, assume the lion's share of labor in our communities without fanfare, and do it all without complaint.

Speaker 13 Indeed, we are leaders leaders in our cities and households, matriarchs who fight for rights and policies that benefit the whole of society.

Speaker 13 In 2024, the nation could have finally begun to repay what it owes us.

Speaker 14 What?

Speaker 13 And benefited itself by giving the top leadership role to Harris, who could bring the talents embodied by so many black women to the nation's highest office.

Speaker 13 That's her latest. That's basically it in a someone substance.
Her chocolate skin, and

Speaker 13 she's been in the body of a black woman forever. And the reason Kamala lost is because we did not want to be in her

Speaker 14 black chocolate body.

Speaker 14 I don't know.

Speaker 13 This is lunacy.

Speaker 13 We knew she was dumb, but did we know she was this far gone?

Speaker 14 Truly.

Speaker 14 Go ahead.

Speaker 16 I love that in her mind, the repayment for the treatment treatment that American blacks have received is Kamala Harris.

Speaker 16 We deserve Kamala Harris. You owe us Kamala Harris.

Speaker 14 Oh, no.

Speaker 14 I'm dead.

Speaker 14 I remember Trump during the campaign went to speak at the Association of Black Journalists, and they brought up the historic occasion of Kamala's candidacy as a black woman. And Trump said, what?

Speaker 14 Kamala's black. I didn't know she was black.
Remember that? And this was supposed to be super offensive. Like we were all supposed to be horrified, even though everybody had the same thought.

Speaker 14 And then what happened was CNN the next day went to like a barber shop in Philadelphia, which is like this white liberal media stereotype of where you go to talk to real black people.

Speaker 16 We call it the terrorist country. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And they walk in and there's like eight black guys sitting, you know, on chairs in the barber shop, like working class guys.

Speaker 14 And the reporter comes in, he's white, and he says, hey, Donald Trump yesterday said he doesn't think Kamala is black. Do you think Kamala is black? Of course, expecting to be like, Derek Trump.

Speaker 14 And they were all like,

Speaker 14 not.

Speaker 14 And this is the kind of idiotic politics that Democrats think the country is thinking about, that we relate to each other this way with these divisive categories everybody has to immediately declare themselves in.

Speaker 14 And this is such a degraded and primitive way of thinking about humanity and how we relate to one another and the things we care about and have in common.

Speaker 14 And also, isn't this the same country that elected Barack Obama twice? Yeah, and like made this idiot, the White House press secretary, made Kamala Harris

Speaker 13 technically as black, our vice president?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, if anything, you can make the opposite argument that the people inside the black women's bodies are actually benefiting by virtue of that rather than being impeded.

Speaker 14 But it's just, I think people are just so tired of being told that we have to judge each other with constant reference.

Speaker 13 That's exactly right. She didn't get the memo, right? The fever broke with Trump's re-election.
And she didn't get the memo that we're done doing that shit.

Speaker 13 Like, we are done obsessing over skin color, whether we're black or white, we're brown, whatever,

Speaker 13 we're done. We're done.
The fevers have broke.

Speaker 14 That stuff's not going to work anymore.

Speaker 13 But it seems to be what she's saying is the reason she left the Democrat Party.

Speaker 13 She's mad allegedly that they were too mean to Joe Biden, but she also is, the whole book is full of grievance about how the Democrats aren't good to black women.

Speaker 13 So she's leaving, but she's not going to, she doesn't recommend voting for any party other than Democrats, but she's going to stand outside as an independent just to shame them for how they treat black women, but still totally vote Democrat, which sounds right exactly at the intellect level that I would expect from Corrine Jean-Pierre as a strategy.

Speaker 16 I mean, I will say something controversial back in,

Speaker 16 but truly, if you look at the people that the

Speaker 16 Biden administration elevated to check the identity boxes, from Kantanji Brown Jackson to Kamala Harris to Corine Jean-Pierre, this is why people have problems with affirmative action.

Speaker 16 It's because you actually,

Speaker 16 when you're elevating people purely on the basis of identity,

Speaker 16 and I say that as a cishetero white woman, Megan.

Speaker 14 Cishetero. It's bad.

Speaker 16 I mean, it produces bad results. It's a disaster.
And it's sadly what people now have to look back as the legacy of the Biden administration.

Speaker 13 Well, the other problem we have is that, you know, they're obsessed with their academic pedigree over on the left. We've seen that, right?

Speaker 13 It's like, I mean, speaking of affirmative action and pedigree, Michelle Obama went to Princeton. Okay.

Speaker 13 Sheila Jackson Lee, she went to Harvard.

Speaker 13 Joy Reed went to Harvard.

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 14 don't laugh, Glenn.

Speaker 14 Need I say more?

Speaker 14 Joy Reed.

Speaker 13 And then there's, and then there's another class of leftists that went to these schools and probably actually got in on their own merit, but They are so elitist and such snobs in their coverage, and that brings me to Rachel Maddow.

Speaker 13 So, she, I mean, we could spend all night talking about what an elitist snob she is, but just this week she was talking about the White House and the renovations.

Speaker 13 Okay, and you can say a lot about the renovations, and I've already read to you some of what people are saying, but listen to this one, okay?

Speaker 13 Trump is literally destroying the people's house. He's literally physically tearing down the White House.
And now, here's my favorite part. This is right on brand for her.

Speaker 13 He took up parts of the White House lawn to put up huge flagpoles so he could fly novelty-size American flags to make it look like it's an RV dealership.

Speaker 14 Hell yeah.

Speaker 13 That's Rachel Maddow. Like, oh,

Speaker 13 who would be caught dead at an RV dealership?

Speaker 13 And she speaks for everyone.

Speaker 13 There isn't a person consuming her show, which she does once a week, for which she makes $30 million a year still, that had any reaction to that other than, yeah, ew, gross, an RV.

Speaker 13 And that's half the problem, right?

Speaker 14 But also like the, what made it so gross in her mind was that there are so many American flags there too. Like only like really tacky, lowbrow people would fly American flags.

Speaker 14 And this is the thing, like you may, people, the ordinary people like who just go about their lives, like you were saying, most people are really busy.

Speaker 14 When I was a lawyer, I barely paid attention to politics, only when I had full time to kind of look at everything I said.

Speaker 14 But you don't have to know every detail, but people understand when they're being condescended to. People understand when they're insulted, when they're being judged.

Speaker 14 And the Democratic Party, which did used to have a lot of worker class, working-class representation, they were very close with unions.

Speaker 14 That was the kind of ethos of the Democratic Party in the middle of the 20th century, became very subconsciously and very explicitly the party of corporations, the party of Ivy League schools.

Speaker 14 And as a result, they now look down upon

Speaker 14 people in car dealerships. And most of the country feels condescended to and patronized and

Speaker 14 can just like spewed contempt at by liberal elites and they're getting back what they deserve they they have created that yes

Speaker 14 let me ask you a question because you used to go on msnbc all the time i was on rachel maddow show all the time i have you know had a personal friendship with her has she lost her relevance

Speaker 14 Well, let's remember, I just think this is so important, is that, first of all, cable news in general as a medium is dying. Yes.

Speaker 14 The number of people who watch cable news, Fox still pulls in several million people. They tend to be an older demographic.
But MSNBC and CNN, I mean,

Speaker 14 they're irrelevant.

Speaker 14 You have mid-sized YouTube shows with bigger audiences than they do.

Speaker 14 And not only that, but you can imagine the only people who watch MSNBC are already drooling, rabid Democratic Party partisans.

Speaker 14 So even the people they're attracting, they're not convincing of anything.

Speaker 14 She went on every night and perpetrated a gigantic hoax. She was, she ratified the Steele dossier.
She thought Putin had a pee-pee tape about Trump that he was using to blackmail Trump.

Speaker 14 She was all in on all the bullshit about Russia Gate, like the whole hoax, the whole fraud. She went on a news network ostensibly every night and lied and got rewarded for it.

Speaker 14 You know, she said people who questioned the origin of the lab leak, but it came from a lab, are racist.

Speaker 14 Like the whole litany of lies that people made them hate the media, she was kind of the avatar of.

Speaker 14 And you're right, she got a reward for it, which was a $30 million contract for lying incessantly for partisan reasons as low as you get for a journalist.

Speaker 13 And honestly, I think it's possible to make a lot of money and still be in touch with regular people, but she's not on the list of people who are.

Speaker 13 I think she's just gotten so detached from reality, from how real people live, what real people care about.

Speaker 13 She's ensconced in this liberal bubble, and she's relegated herself down to this one hour a week, which I think is good because there's not really a standard bearer over there at MSNBC now who they all revere and look up to.

Speaker 13 And, you know, it'll be interesting to see whether they can even cultivate that now because they're starting to realize that their relevant lane is digital.

Speaker 13 They're starting to try to cultivate their own Joe Rogan. The irony, of course, he was of the left.
He was a Bernie bro.

Speaker 13 And now they're desperate to create their own sort of presence in the digital lane. But I, for one, I applaud her downfall.
And she did it to herself. She sacrificed her credibility.

Speaker 13 You know it was lies because she never owned it. She didn't ever come out and say, I was wrong.
Let me tell you the truth about Russia Gates. She was actively lying.
And she was caught.

Speaker 16 And she still insists that the conspiracy theory she proffered for years is real. I mean, she is, and actually even worse than all of that, she stole Glenn's haircut.

Speaker 14 She did. I'm thinking about suing her.
My lawyers say I have a very good case.

Speaker 13 I mean, not for nothing. And the question is, she's another person who really could stand to be more attractive.
I would appreciate it if she would try harder to make herself more attractive.

Speaker 14 Do you know, though, there's a photo of her, a yearbook photo. Oh, her yearbook photography.

Speaker 13 Yeah, she's blonde.

Speaker 18 She was beautiful.

Speaker 14 She has deliberately uglified herself. Yes.
And there's this thing in liberal culture where it's almost like the objective is to not be attractive. Yes.

Speaker 14 Attractive ones, there are still a few, very few, but a few. They purposely make themselves dowdier

Speaker 14 and

Speaker 14 dirtier.

Speaker 13 It's like an ethos. Let me ask you something.
If you wanted to go, just say, you know, just hypothetically, on Halloween as somebody who was at a no-kings protest,

Speaker 13 I mean, like, a certain image comes to mind. You'd have to get like the size 10X shirt,

Speaker 13 you'd have to get like a blue wig,

Speaker 13 maybe a nose ring, right? It's like there's certain like a uniform.

Speaker 13 And all I could think of is the one woman who came to the Trump White House recently on the Antifa hearings, and forgive me, I can't remember her name, but she talked about how she suffered from severe TDS, Trump derangement syndrome, and how somehow she managed to get herself out of it.

Speaker 14 And she talked about how her life got better.

Speaker 13 She said, dare I say, I even got more attractive.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 13 there's some truth to that because when you're consumed by hatred, you know, because that's what TDS is, it's like a crazed hatred, of course, you're going to become less attractive.

Speaker 13 You're angry all the time. You're not like effusing positivity.
You're not warm when you see people in the street. You take this all on as your own personal battle.

Speaker 13 You know, you've got to fight the evil madman in the White House. And like at my worst of hating whatever president, I never let it consume me personally

Speaker 13 because remaining attractive was too important to me.

Speaker 16 I mean,

Speaker 16 counterpoint,

Speaker 16 Rosie O'Donnell.

Speaker 14 Never looked better.

Speaker 16 Never looked better.

Speaker 14 The cold sore? Oh.

Speaker 13 You know about her cold sore, right? She now says she got herpes from Trump.

Speaker 13 That the stress of hating Donald Trump somehow gave her a herpes outbreak, which I don't think tracks. I'm not sure.
Does it sound right? That's actually how you get it.

Speaker 16 I have a tip for your Halloween costume.

Speaker 14 Let me know. Oxygen tank, walker.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 16 I think that nails the No Kings look.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 13 I think this is going to be very common. You know, we mentioned it last night, and I think it is on my mind.

Speaker 13 You know very well, sadly, we're going to get some disgusting costumes around Charlie's murder.

Speaker 14 Right?

Speaker 13 Like, we're already seeing that. At the No Kings rally, you saw some people, there was a man who had like fake blood on his face and like a fake neck wound and the freedom shirt.

Speaker 13 Yes, I mean, what kind of depraved person?

Speaker 13 Right? And like, it's good to laugh.

Speaker 13 It's wonderful to be together and be doing this, but like, we actually are suffering from a really serious problem right now in this country, and it's coming from the left.

Speaker 13 No matter what they want to say, that it's both sides, it's not both sides, it's leftist violence. And people who come out and speak at these events,

Speaker 13 it's a new paradigm. You know, I'm talking about that with security.

Speaker 13 In the same way that Columbine created a new paradigm where like a new method of killing people was put on display and put in people's heads and changed, sadly, the way kids go to school now.

Speaker 13 The Charlie assassination has done that too for public speakers and in particular for people on the right.

Speaker 13 And it's not just people, you know, I know you're not of the right, but like people like us who are in the right-wing ecosphere or in the independent ecosphere.

Speaker 13 Unfortunately, it's for everybody, you know, everybody has to worry. Like three people at that Trump rally got shot, one died.
So it's not just, it's also civilians. It's not just people.

Speaker 14 Yeah, if I can just give us what I think is a little insight into this, which is, I mean, first of all, one of the main reasons I came here, people I know, I live very far away, I live in Brazil now.

Speaker 14 There's a lot of travel is precisely because I do think, and I know you had talked about after Charlie's death, like being a little concerned.

Speaker 14 And I know any of us who do work that's polarizing, that's political, that produces anger, has to think about that.

Speaker 14 Wait a minute, are we now in a country where, you know, we had assassinations in the 60s, but not very much political violence since.

Speaker 14 Are we now back to being a country, or even worse, being a country where even just you don't have political power, you just have opinions that people dislike, that you can be easily killed, that it's not actually surprising anymore when that something like that happens.

Speaker 14 And I think the only solution is to say, we're not going to give into that fear. We're going to come and be in as many places as possible.
And I know that's why you did your tour.

Speaker 13 We're going to flood the field.

Speaker 14 But I do think, look, the thing is, every political faction produces violence. And we talked about this like in the 90s, there were abortion murder doctors, murders of abortion doctors.

Speaker 14 People tried to blame Bill O'Reilly because he was pointing out abortion doctors, including one who was killed. I do think I have to be careful not to say a certain ideology inspires that.

Speaker 14 But it is nonetheless true, and this is something that came from the Trump era, is that on the left, people started insisting and then believing that not only Donald Trump but all of his followers are fascists and white supremacists and racists and Nazis and along with that there was a an accompanying discourse that said

Speaker 14 it's good to kill Nazis by which they now mean conservatives and you know if some left-wing figure dies you'll be able to find a few scattered people on the right you know making fun of it or celebrating it but this was way more than that this is you know now the

Speaker 14 predominant sentiment among a lot of people on the left that the world is better off when conservatives die or people who like Trump die or Trump himself dies, even if they're being slaughtered in the most horrific way, a 31-year-old man, a husband, a

Speaker 14 father of two young children. They look at that and there's no humanity.
There's no soul.

Speaker 14 They've been feeding on this discourse of hatred so intensively and consistently, social media pours it into their head that It is scary to watch so many people, such a major part of a political movement, be so dehumanized that they deny people's humanity.

Speaker 14 Down that road lies very dark things.

Speaker 13 I mean, so what do we do about that? Truly, like, if you gave me a magic wand and say

Speaker 13 you can just remake the country with this magic wand, the first thing I'd have everybody do is go to church. Get them all back to church.

Speaker 13 Get religion back into the public square in the way it was when this country was founded. But they're so lost,

Speaker 13 they don't believe in a higher power. They only believe in themselves, like the power of their own id, which is a very damaging, dangerous place to be.

Speaker 14 So, I don't know how to reach them.

Speaker 13 You know, the right tends to be more religious, tends to be more of a group of faith, especially the modern-day right versus the modern-day left.

Speaker 13 How do we reach these people who are not only, let's say, born into families that are all about like transing my three-year-old because he made some errant comment,

Speaker 13 but TDSing them and getting them to cheer the possibility of a presidential Trump death, a President Trump death.

Speaker 13 But then they send him to schools with the likes of Lucy Martinez, Big Chungus, as Jesse called her last night, who's like the one who was pretending

Speaker 13 at the No Kings rally, like celebrating Charlie's death. So the whole thing is this indoctrination faction that the factory that's meant to radicalize them.
How do we reach them?

Speaker 13 How are we supposed to stop that?

Speaker 16 I think one of the most powerful things, and it's a hard question, but I think one of the most powerful things is just people who aren't of that ilk, who haven't lost their minds yet, going into places, we were talking about this backstage, Gunn, going into places where people have lost their minds and showing the contrast between what it looks like to be an, and Charlie was very good at this, what it looks like to be an absolutely insane person who is not coping well with reality.

Speaker 16 And then juxtaposed that with someone like Charlie, who is a man of faith, who is normal, who is happy, who actually approached a lot of those conversations joyfully and with compassion.

Speaker 16 And that to me is really, really powerful, at least in my experience. Like that, just going into those spaces so people can see light and dark.
That's amazing. I mean, that's very powerful.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 13 I have to say, I also think something that we've been talking about, we talk about all the time when you guys come on the show, you talk about it on your own shows, and we're talking about it tonight.

Speaker 13 I have to say, I do blame in large part the media.

Speaker 13 Right? Absolutely. I really think they have unclean hands when it comes even to Charlie's death.
Because

Speaker 13 what did you hear from all those No Kings protesters over the weekend?

Speaker 14 You heard, Charlie was terrible.

Speaker 13 He said terrible things. He was a racist.
He was a Nazi. We heard that from so many of those little clips that we played on our show and elsewhere.
Where did they get that idea from?

Speaker 13 Not from listening to Charlie. They got that idea from the media, which tried to paint him with that brush.

Speaker 13 And so I almost feel like part of, a huge part of the antidote to this madness is what we're doing now.

Speaker 13 It has to be a long game.

Speaker 13 that we're not going to solve that overnight, even though Arlene is so powerful and we're taking down the mainstream bit by bit easily with MS and CNN, but they're still there.

Speaker 13 But until they are destroyed, until they're destroyed as networks of propaganda and misinformation, and our lane of truth-telling

Speaker 13 and of individuals, right? Like you can go, you can get a Jesse Kelly whose show is called I'm Right, you know?

Speaker 14 He's a moderate man.

Speaker 13 Yeah, but you, or you can get somebody who's more moderate. You can get somebody who's of the left, but has got more heterodox views like you, or of the right, but more heterodox views for righty.

Speaker 13 And I'm sort of all over the place, but you can get that in this lane. You can get real facts.
That's the only antidote to where, like,

Speaker 13 the disinformers are gone. Of course, I do not mean dead.
I mean off the air and no longer able to spin these lies about our people, right? Like, our words will stand for themselves.

Speaker 13 They'll speak for themselves. The clips will speak for themselves.
There won't be this act of manipulation and attempt to stir up hate around us all the time with very vulnerable, unwell people.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but I think that's the key is this last part. I mean, I do think, and this may sound naive, but I don't think it is, that Americans are fundamentally decent.

Speaker 14 I don't think people go off on this psychotic, like, dehumanized path on their own.

Speaker 14 And I think one of the things that has happened is, and we see this in Dishia all throughout our society, you know, suicide rates are way up, addiction is way up, alcoholism, depression, you know, mental health problems.

Speaker 14 And I think it's because of this spiritual disconnect. People don't have spirituality in their lives.
They don't have connection. They don't have community.

Speaker 14 All the things that used to make America connected, you know, churches, religion, union halls, gatherings in small towns, these things are largely gone. We live in this very digitalized age.

Speaker 14 COVID exacerbated it greatly, isolated people even more. And in that, you know, without spirituality emerges nihilism.
And nihilism is very easily exploited. You know, you don't have to,

Speaker 14 we always have disagreed with each other vehemently. That's America.
You know, that person has terrible ideas, but we still see them as human beings. That's what's being lost.

Speaker 14 And it's a deliberate campaign to encourage people to lose their humanity. And I think there's a lot of deep-seated problems in our country that enables that kind of thing to fester.

Speaker 14 And I think it's important that we think about that as well.

Speaker 13 I do think, because I've heard this said of the right, I've said it as well. You know, to your point, we had a guy like that and they killed him.

Speaker 13 You know, we had a guy who went into the spots, into the spaces, and said the things things and was reasonable and talked to the other side and showed the example of what faith can do for you, how it can save you, how it can, how God never rejects any of his children and still believes in all of us, and they killed him.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 just because Charlie was murdered does not mean all of the left wants to murder us, and it doesn't mean that they're not reachable.

Speaker 13 And I feel like we owe it to Charlie to recognize that the youth in particular who are very misguided right now, very lost, and in in some cases dangerous,

Speaker 14 are gettable.

Speaker 13 That was his fundamental belief. That the right had ceded the fight for their hearts and minds, and that that was a mistake.
And so he went in there to fight to win them.

Speaker 13 And I think we have to do the same. We have to not say, they're all crazy, they all want to kill us.

Speaker 14 No,

Speaker 13 they're gettable, they're winnable, and we have to continue reaching out to them and not demonize all of them with the same broad brush as the one we use on the Lucy Martinez's of the world.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 16 one of the things that Charlie tapped into, and Ben Shapiro does this too, is this

Speaker 16 moral relativism has left young people starving, and they know that they're hungry. Like they can, they know that they're starving, they know they're looking for something,

Speaker 16 and that can be directed in some really bad ways, in some really good ways, and they live, they've exported so much of their lives onto the internet thanks to some really bad people who actually encouraged us to reshape our society by exporting our lives onto the internet.

Speaker 16 And the incentives there are towards rage, the incentives there are towards categorizing people in one direction or the other, and you get sucked into part of this like computer program, and our politics gets sucked into it too.

Speaker 16 And the more you just get off the internet and talk to normal people, the more that you realize it's okay to not categorize someone who has really, what you think are really bad ideas, but to just talk to them, talk to them about baseball, talk about something else.

Speaker 14 And it sounds so cheesy. It's non-politics.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it sounds so cheesy. But like, people are really gettable because they are starving for moral clarity.
And if you can provide that, people's discontent can be channeled very productively.

Speaker 13 I just want to end with this story because I told it on the show one day, but

Speaker 13 a lot of people haven't heard this.

Speaker 13 You speaking up for what you believe in, you saying the things that we've been saying tonight and that we talk about on the show, and these truths that are hard truths, but we all believe them, right?

Speaker 13 Like a man can't become a woman.

Speaker 13 Like we are not, we refuse to be boiled down to our skin color. Like we have way more in common than we do that separates us, despite whatever our melanin is.

Speaker 13 To take a couple for an example.

Speaker 13 You just saying those things, being honest about those things, like the young woman who came up, like, yes, say what's real.

Speaker 13 Like, stand up for yourself, even though they're trying to make you play or face off against a male,

Speaker 13 will make a difference.

Speaker 13 And even though you might not always hear about it, you might not always know, you might feel like you're, you know, screaming into the wind, you might feel like this is causing you

Speaker 13 hatred, like people are coming to loathe you or think terrible things about you. You can think all that, but you know, our minds tell us these negative stories.
Remember this.

Speaker 13 I got an extraordinary message from someone who has not given me permission to say where he works, but it is at a very anti-Trump organization.

Speaker 13 And this person gave me a very heartfelt, multiple-paragraph message about his child who was saying that they are trans

Speaker 13 and how this person

Speaker 13 of the left secretly has been listening to my show and to our guests saying what is real and what's really going on with these children and how this issue ought to be handled and what is possible and what's not possible and what's happened in the medical community with the capture, and so on, and so forth.

Speaker 13 And has been saying to themselves, Oh my god, I'm on the wrong side.

Speaker 13 This woman and the people who come on her show are fighting for my kid,

Speaker 13 and I can't

Speaker 13 because I'm with this organization that's on the other side.

Speaker 13 I need to pay my bills and continue getting this check, but I can see and I can hear that these people who my organization demonizes for a living are in the right and are going to save my kid.

Speaker 13 And think of how brave it was for this person to say that to me, right?

Speaker 13 And I wrote them back a very long note too, but it was a reminder that even if you don't get snaps, you don't get pats on the back, some people are gonna say nasty things about you on the internet, whatever,

Speaker 13 you are helping people if you stick to what's real, to what's true, whether it's your family,

Speaker 13 the truth, freedoms, or your faith, right? Because there is such a thing as the silent majority.

Speaker 13 And what the studies show is that if the one person in the room will stand up, raise his hand, or raise her hand, and say what's real,

Speaker 13 so many other people in the room feel the same. They're so glad you said the thing.
So, as I said to the one woman, sit in the front row of your life. Be the person who says something.

Speaker 13 The fact that you're here shows me you can and will do it. And God bless you all for that.
Thank you so much for having us, San Antonio. We love you.
We hope to see you again soon.

Speaker 13 God bless you.

Speaker 13 Thank you, Emily. Thank you, Glenn.

Speaker 13 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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