MTG Quits, Markle's False Narrative, and Woke Remnants, with Maureen Callahan, Jillian Michaels, and The Fifth Column | Ep. 1202

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Speaker 12 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at Noon East.

Speaker 15 It's so good to see you.

Speaker 16 Gosh, this is a great crowd.

Speaker 17 Thank you so much for turning out.

Speaker 17 It means so much to me.

Speaker 18 And I know this is basically winter weather for you Californians, so it took a lot.

Speaker 21 Took a lot to get you out of your houses, I'm sure.

Speaker 13 You know, I was just saying to my team backstage, this is the ninth of ten appearances that we're doing.

Speaker 22 So the tour is wrapping up.

Speaker 20 I'm with you on the second to last night of the tour.

Speaker 17 And it has been life-changing for me.

Speaker 27 I am so glad that we did this.

Speaker 24 I think it would be life-changing just to do what you're doing right now and sit in the audience and be in a sea of reasonable right-wingers.

Speaker 31 I mean, especially in California.

Speaker 16 But to be on my end of it and like to be able to get to see all of you, you know, like in a way, the relationship, it's real, but it's kind of one-sided sometimes because you get to see me, but I don't get to see you.

Speaker 25 You get to hear about my weirdnesses in my life, but I don't get to hear about yours.

Speaker 13 And I get just a taste of it backstage when they do the VIP meet and greets.

Speaker 16 But like when we're going to do the Q ⁇ A, I'll get to talk to people who didn't get to the meet and greet.

Speaker 33 And when I see you out there, like now I see your face and I'll think of you when I do the next broadcast.

Speaker 39 And that's what's been happening for me.

Speaker 34 And it just makes me happier and better and more connected to you.

Speaker 42 And so I'm really grateful.

Speaker 38 You could be doing any number of things tonight.

Speaker 16 Now you had to buy a ticket.

Speaker 43 You had to wait outside.

Speaker 22 You had to do the magnetometer, all this stuff.

Speaker 14 And let's face it, there's always like an element now of, is it safe?

Speaker 13 And it is safe.

Speaker 45 And thank God, thanks to this cracked security team, we are safe.

Speaker 20 So I'm so grateful.

Speaker 47 I'm also sorry that you live in the People's Republic of California.

Speaker 37 and have to deal with the unfortunate politicians that come with your immensely beautiful state.

Speaker 38 And everyone knows California is, if not the most beautiful, at least one of the top three in the country.

Speaker 19 That's why you put up with all the nonsense, right?

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 27 My own personal plan with my children is to just never let them come here

Speaker 52 because we cannot have them living on the West Coast.

Speaker 47 We love them too much.

Speaker 16 So we just say terrible things about California and hope they believe it.

Speaker 54 You know, people are weird.

Speaker 49 You don't want to go there.

Speaker 16 They don't have a change of seasons.

Speaker 55 Whatever it takes.

Speaker 28 Look, whenever I come out here, I am reminded of the reasons to live here.

Speaker 13 And it's not the politicians, but it is the people.

Speaker 45 One of the things we've noticed just in our two stops here so far is how great the law enforcement has been. Seriously.

Speaker 43 Taking great care of us.

Speaker 42 And they too are good looking.

Speaker 32 It's amazing.

Speaker 42 Do they let ugly people into the state of California?

Speaker 27 And I've been thinking about them in the past couple of days because of this ridiculous stunt that these Democrat lawmakers pulled on the warnings that you're not supposed to follow illegal orders, right?

Speaker 42 You saw this, right?

Speaker 31 With the most annoying U.S.

Speaker 25 senator we have, and that's saying something, this Alyssa Slotkin of Michigan.

Speaker 18 You saw the cross-examination she did of Pete, right?

Speaker 31 I know, I know, you've done your genulection.

Speaker 19 I know, I believe you care about the troops.

Speaker 48 This is how she cross-examined Pete Hexeth, who's been deployed three times.

Speaker 19 Okay, sure. He really needs you to pat him on the head and reaffirm his commitment to the troops.

Speaker 62 Who does she think she is?

Speaker 59 So now she gets in there after doing desk jobs in the CIA and she wants to tell our soldiers that they can disobey the orders of our commander-in-chief.

Speaker 25 And you knew it, even if you didn't know it, know it, you knew that this was wrong, you knew that this was dangerous, right, for her and these other lawmakers to try to lecture our troops and insert themselves.

Speaker 5 in the relationship between them and their commander-in-chief.

Speaker 26 Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 39 Who would even think about messing with that?

Speaker 58 But I didn't know it, know it, like on a gut level until I heard my friend Carl Higbee,

Speaker 18 who is at Newsmax and served our country honorably.

Speaker 37 He's a Navy SEAL.

Speaker 48 Don't mess with Carl.

Speaker 66 Talk about this on his show.

Speaker 36 Take a look at the sound bite.

Speaker 67 This is the story of how stupid political clickbait videos like Slotkins have real consequences.

Speaker 67 You remember this guy? from the movie American Sniper?

Speaker 67 This guy right here? That was going around drilling holes in children's faces? faces in 2009 my platoon caught that guy in real life the butcher of Fallujah.

Speaker 67 He was also the man responsible for hanging four American contractors, one of which was a SEAL brother of mine, whose body was lit on fire dangling from a bridge by his neck. My team caught that guy.

Speaker 67 And when we brought him back, the same people who sent us on that mission, they turned around and court-martialed us for abusing him in custody, which we clearly did not do, which was proven by our full acquittals almost immediately in a courtroom, all because politicians wanted to have the talking point that they stood with the Iraqi people over their own soldiers.

Speaker 67 And the generals whose promotions need to be approved by the Senate, people like Mark Kelly and Alyssa Slotkin, they bent the knee and they sacrificed me and my team at the altar of their political correctness.

Speaker 67 And you know what it did?

Speaker 67 It made every soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan second guess everything. Stuff like this gets people killed.
It creates stupid rules of engagement, some of which killed my friends personally

Speaker 67 because they want to play political grandstand games with no intention of ever backing the soldier up when he does the bidding that they subtly encouraged.

Speaker 67 This is why people hate politicians. They pop off like they're some moral authority without listing a single specific thing that Trump has done illegally.

Speaker 42 So good, right?

Speaker 18 Not only is it offensive, it's it's downright dangerous.

Speaker 50 And then adding fuel to the fire and insult to injury, when Trump sends out this is treasonous,

Speaker 71 this is treason, that the punishment of which is death.

Speaker 53 What do they do?

Speaker 49 Oh, poor me.

Speaker 61 I'm the victim, Trump's mean.

Speaker 27 That's actually been their next move, to call out Trump's rhetoric.

Speaker 22 Trump's rhetoric is not the problem here.

Speaker 74 Your rhetoric was, Alyssa, take responsibility and butt your fat ass out of the relationship between Donald Trump, the Commander-in-Chief, and our troops.

Speaker 59 Okay,

Speaker 43 let's take some QA with you guys.

Speaker 49 Enough about me and her.

Speaker 15 She's gonna line them up over here, and we'll get in as many as we can.

Speaker 21 Keep them tight if you can, so I can get to as many as possible.

Speaker 40 And then we'll bring out our friends. Oh, sorry, Dean.

Speaker 76 Hi, Megan. Hi.

Speaker 49 I'm a normal Californian.

Speaker 35 I assumed.

Speaker 77 Yes. And

Speaker 77 my question is,

Speaker 13 how do we take California back? I mean, it's.

Speaker 42 Okay, I got two words for you.

Speaker 37 Steve Hilton.

Speaker 62 You got to elect some normie people.

Speaker 79 You got to convince your neighbors.

Speaker 16 You know, I don't, like, if the palisades fire, like, if that stuff doesn't convince people that Democrat governance doesn't work, how are we going to get them?

Speaker 80 I don't know.

Speaker 42 I wish I knew, but you do need people like Steve, who he's utterly electable.

Speaker 25 He's so charming.

Speaker 16 He's nice. He cares.

Speaker 43 He can talk the talk.

Speaker 42 He is a right-winger, but he's not like a far-right-winger.

Speaker 82 So, you know, that's what you need here.

Speaker 83 I think he's got a shot. Last poll I saw, he was one-up.

Speaker 85 He was leading.

Speaker 37 So you got to mobilize, though.

Speaker 42 Only you're going to be able to do it by getting other people to vote and getting your friends to vote and getting the kids off the sofa and all that.

Speaker 48 Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 86 Hi, Megan. Scott Sprague, love you.

Speaker 87 Listen to you every day.

Speaker 86 You're awesome. So I just have to say, Marjorie Taylor Legreen gone in January.
What's the deal with that?

Speaker 49 Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 22 Not to punt on this, but we're going to talk about that with the fifth column, so I'll save my response when they come out.

Speaker 43 But that's our first order of business.

Speaker 21 You guys heard the news about MTG?

Speaker 25 She's resigning as of January.

Speaker 22 It's unbelievable.

Speaker 49 I was stunned.

Speaker 88 Sorry,

Speaker 88 go ahead. Hi.

Speaker 89 Hi, Megan. Nice to meet you in person.

Speaker 21 Nice to meet you, too.

Speaker 89 I'm Xavier DeRusso from Prager U.

Speaker 63 You got a big fan club here.

Speaker 89 So the last piece of advice that our friend Charlie Kerr gave to me was to become unapologetically outspoken about the threat of radical Islam taking over the West.

Speaker 47 Yes.

Speaker 89 So my question is after they spent nearly $7 billion corrupting our educational institutions, institutions, a quarter billion dollars lobbying Congress, and trying to buy out almost every major media outlet and personality, myself included, why are we not as outspoken about Qatar as people are about Israel?

Speaker 35 Yeah, I mean, the threat of radical Islam is real and

Speaker 29 even like regular Islam to the extent it's taking over our cities.

Speaker 19 And that's just a matter of how we want to live culturally here in America.

Speaker 90 And I think Charlie was a great example of somebody who is willing to speak out on the hard truths of how Islam is not consistent with the fundamental values of the West.

Speaker 35 And we should not be rooting for people who are Muslim to take over as our mayors and our governors and our presidents and so on.

Speaker 36 It's nothing against our friends who are Muslim.

Speaker 46 You can love your friends who are Muslim, you can support them and their ability to worship the way they want to, but it doesn't mean you want more and more people who are Islamic taking over as the governors and the mayors and the legislators here in America because their religion is more than a religion.

Speaker 71 It is a political doctrine, and it is one that is wholly inconsistent with the fundamental values of the West, like free speech, like women's equality and women's rights, and the separation of church and state, which we believe in pretty strongly here.

Speaker 25 We definitely don't want it to be less separated when you're looking at the tenets of Islam and you're thinking about things like genital mutilation of little girls.

Speaker 50 It's a no.

Speaker 42 So he told you the right thing, Xavier.

Speaker 59 We got to talk about it.

Speaker 64 We've got to be fearless fearless in talking about it.

Speaker 53 Love you. Thank you for the question.

Speaker 13 Thanks for being here.

Speaker 92 Hi, Megan. Nice to meet you.

Speaker 92 I'm a really big fan of your show. Thank you.
So one of my questions is, we have a lot of lobbying firms, and that's okay.

Speaker 92 But with foreign country lobbying, should AIPAC be registered as a foreign agent act?

Speaker 41 I think it should.

Speaker 19 I really think APAC should register

Speaker 24 under the FARA Foreign Agent Registration Act, and not just APAC, though.

Speaker 36 I mean, there are a lot lot of foreign countries that are trying to get into America and lobby our lawmakers and push our American agenda to serve their foreign interests, which great, that's fine.

Speaker 27 They can do that if they want, but they should all be registered.

Speaker 5 Why should we have to wonder who they're loyal to?

Speaker 22 It should all be there, black and white, for everybody to perfectly understand: okay, you're here really on the behalf of Israel, not really on the behalf of America, or Qatar, or Saudis, or whomever.

Speaker 48 I'd much rather know.

Speaker 45 I want way more transparency on all of this.

Speaker 28 So, thank you for the question.

Speaker 94 Hi.

Speaker 94 I'm Emily, host of Emily Saves America. Hi.

Speaker 49 Hi, nice.

Speaker 95 Question.

Speaker 59 I thought after Charlie, we would all come together a bit more.

Speaker 94 With all the fighting going on on the right specifically, I tend to be in the middle of a lot of controversies on the right.

Speaker 95 What would your advice be to put that aside?

Speaker 94 to focus on coming together and winning elections, which is what we need to do.

Speaker 48 Thank you, Emily.

Speaker 12 Yes.

Speaker 71 Shoot it into my veins.

Speaker 62 I'm with you.

Speaker 40 Aren't you bummed out about all the fighting on the right wing right now?

Speaker 22 Right? Doesn't it just kind of make you feel sick?

Speaker 28 I feel like that the feeling like when you have an argument with a friend and it's not somebody who you want to discard, it's somebody who you actually want to patch it up with, but you're too mad at each other.

Speaker 39 I had that feeling right now, a lot.

Speaker 57 I just feel like I hate the right wing infighting.

Speaker 27 I will say, like, most of it, not all of it, but a lot of it right now is around the Israel issue.

Speaker 73 And I have dear, dear friends, as you know, on both sides of this.

Speaker 48 And I really think the best thing for Israel and for us is the fact that Trump managed to help wrap up this war.

Speaker 37 Thankfully, it's looking like it's holding.

Speaker 48 And once Israel is off the front pages and at the apex of our foreign policy concerns, I think we're going to get back to normal.

Speaker 34 I think things are going to settle.

Speaker 38 I think our American Jewish friends are going to feel less like they're at the pointy end of the spear, like people are constantly talking about them and now saying more and more negative things about Israel.

Speaker 27 And I think most people who are America first and are over the Israel thing will, once like their anger settles over this whole thing, they will quickly move on from talking about Israel all the time.

Speaker 24 And I think that'll help. Thank you for the question.

Speaker 49 Hi.

Speaker 51 Hi.

Speaker 97 Thank you so much for being out here. California, I always tell people it's the greatest, the most beautiful state on the nation, or in the nation.
It's been ruined by our politics.

Speaker 97 Thank you so much for coming out here. I promise,

Speaker 97 we're still out here. We're still out here.
We're not mad. Please, the rest of the team.

Speaker 17 And you're not alone.

Speaker 87 Please, don't.

Speaker 97 And I'm asking, please, if you're a Republican Party, please don't forget about us Republicans in California.

Speaker 49 We're still

Speaker 88 in the voting base. We won't.

Speaker 97 This is not just another liberal state, I promise. We're still out here.
So I have a question for you today. I promise I'm not trying to get you in trouble.

Speaker 97 I'm curious if you have any thoughts or any concerns about the Peter Thiel network, companies like Andoril, Palantir, like mass surveillance, AI-driven companies, autonomous police capabilities.

Speaker 97 I know that's something of a hot topic, at least with maybe more of the dissident right. And I was wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Speaker 36 I definitely have concerns about mass surveillance and what's happening.

Speaker 48 And I also have concerns about companies like OpenAI and what's happening with AI and

Speaker 36 the non-stop spying on us and eating of our data and then regurgitation of it to force 16-year-olds to take their own lives.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's really gotten out of hand.

Speaker 28 And the mass surveillance has gotten out of hand too.

Speaker 25 I mean, they're stealing our data every day.

Speaker 5 You just walk around with that rectangle in your pocket and they know pretty much everything you've done.

Speaker 93 It's really disconcerting, and that's why I'm super thrilled to see the advent of more secure phones.

Speaker 85 We advertise for the up phone, which is that's an Eric Prince phone.

Speaker 36 And like, you know, Eric Prince ran Blackwater.

Speaker 48 This guy couldn't get in and out of Fallujah safely.

Speaker 40 He can get a phone that they cannot hack.

Speaker 25 So, I'm very much in favor of like these alternatives that are rising up because you should not trust your government, you should not trust big tech, and you should take whatever steps you can to protect yourself and your data.

Speaker 24 Thank you.

Speaker 99 Hi, Megan. My name is Allison, and I feel like California is worth saving.
And with seeing you here, and everyone here, it probably will be, I guess.

Speaker 12 You guys are ground zero.

Speaker 101 Yeah.

Speaker 99 Anyway, I just want to say, people that are here in your audience, they're probably diving into independent media and hearing versions of stories we've been told for decades that are probably different than what we've been told.

Speaker 100 And I'm just curious because your audience trusts you.

Speaker 99 You guys do your homework. You don't put anything out unless you've vetted it.
So do you have interest in looking into certain things, 9-11 or Oklahoma City or Charlie Kirk's murder?

Speaker 100 Or how do you decide what to look into? And do you have interest in that?

Speaker 47 Actually, a very good question.

Speaker 23 I think you can safely assume that if I don't put it on my show,

Speaker 5 I'm not buying it.

Speaker 45 I put on the show what I can verify and what I know.

Speaker 36 My sort of unofficial tagline is relentlessly factual.

Speaker 16 And if I can't take it to the bank in a place where I'm not going to embarrass you, I don't put it on the show.

Speaker 28 So it's not to say I don't believe anything that's out there.

Speaker 36 You know, it's like some of the conspiracies that I didn't buy turned out to be true.

Speaker 42 You know, so it's not that I always have the right place on that.

Speaker 38 It's just my approach as a recovering lawyer is always just to keep it completely within balance because my worst nightmare is that you guys get embarrassed by something you heard on my show and then you go repeat it to somebody and it's wrong.

Speaker 27 And I just pledged to you I will never put you in that position.

Speaker 42 So, yes, so if you have an appetite for that stuff, you know where to get it, and that's fine, too.

Speaker 25 I have no problem with people who are more, you know, looking into those things too.

Speaker 57 It's just for my own sanity and my own brand, I go a different way.

Speaker 24 Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 48 Hi, Megan. My name's Morgan.

Speaker 100 I'm a huge fan. I listen to you every single day.

Speaker 93 I'm a California transplant, and you motivated me to run for my local school board.

Speaker 49 Oh

Speaker 66 Did you make it? I did.

Speaker 42 I won by 80 votes.

Speaker 49 Woo!

Speaker 43 It took on 45 days to count the votes and I won by 80 votes.

Speaker 103 So thank you.

Speaker 49 It's amazing.

Speaker 25 Yeah, it's been a blessing and a curse, but thank you for motivating me.

Speaker 48 But my question for you is, and I'm here on my birthday. My sister brought me for my birthday.

Speaker 42 Happy birthday.

Speaker 49 Thank you.

Speaker 103 And my question for you is I started to notice some of the ads leading into your show, show, not during your show, were promoting Prop 50, Big Pharma, and I wasn't sure if you're aware that they're coming after your audience and you know those are the lead-ins.

Speaker 42 How do you listen to the show?

Speaker 53 What via what?

Speaker 83 I listen to it on Apple Podcasts.

Speaker 95 On podcast, okay.

Speaker 19 So usually, like, we have the host-red ads, all of which I bless.

Speaker 73 If I read it, I blessed it.

Speaker 49 I approved it.

Speaker 22 And all the rest are like programmatic ads where they buy ad time through Apple or through XN.

Speaker 25 And those I don't have approval over.

Speaker 42 So I'm not surprised they're trying to get my audience because it's a very reasonable, smart, covetable audience.

Speaker 18 So that's fine. We're strong enough to listen to their bullshit on Prop 50 or whatever.

Speaker 74 Let them waste their money trying to get us,

Speaker 19 right? Rather than trying to motivate voters who actually might get to the polls and vote with them.

Speaker 33 So anyway, I don't know.

Speaker 38 I'm fine taking their money.

Speaker 18 I guess at some point I must get some piece of that.

Speaker 47 But really the host Reds ads are the ones that I stand behind.

Speaker 42 Like Cowboy Colestro.

Speaker 42 Madagascar vanilla.

Speaker 71 They tried to make it sound exotic.

Speaker 101 It's from a cow.

Speaker 19 Okay, one more and then we got to go.

Speaker 87 Hi, Megan. Hi.
Kevin.

Speaker 91 Hi, Kevin.

Speaker 105 I have a question regarding

Speaker 105 H.R.

Speaker 105 4310.

Speaker 49 It's an Obama-era law regarding propaganda.

Speaker 105 And I was wondering, I mean, it's hard enough to get the right information or the correct information because of all the

Speaker 105 fake news and the fake media. So what can be done to be repealing laws like that so that we're not lied to on a daily basis?

Speaker 101 Well, I'm not familiar with the law that you're citing, but in general, propaganda, I don't think it should be handled by government regulation.

Speaker 24 I don't want any regulation from government on speech pretty much at all.

Speaker 54 I think the answer to bullshit propaganda is finding real news sources that you trust and that takes some time.

Speaker 22 It does take time to actually figure out who do I trust in the media.

Speaker 31 And then when you do, you're good.

Speaker 54 So like you do have to put some effort into figuring out like who do I trust?

Speaker 57 Who's not going to try to mind meld me into their own agenda?

Speaker 38 And then you should be fine.

Speaker 54 But like to say you're going to avoid people trying to manipulate you through propaganda or just bias is to pretend you don't live in a free society like the United States of America.

Speaker 42 So you're going to have to deal with it is the bad news. They will come for you, but I got you.

Speaker 49 Don't worry.

Speaker 58 Stick with me.

Speaker 27 All right, I'm sorry for those of you waiting in line.

Speaker 33 We're going to have to wrap it up because we want to keep this show on time.

Speaker 42 Thrilled, thrilled, thrilled to be here, and you're going to love, because you watch the MK show, our first guests.

Speaker 49 All right, now,

Speaker 73 Michael Moynihan, Camille Foster, and Matt Welsh.

Speaker 38 You might not necessarily think that they're the perfect fit for the Megan Kelly show.

Speaker 25 Like, we disagree on a lot.

Speaker 36 They are not huge Trump fans.

Speaker 42 They've got, you know, policies that they have stuck by for many, many years as open libertarians that don't always jive with my own worldview, but often do.

Speaker 106 But they remind me of

Speaker 40 the fundamental decency of people on the right.

Speaker 41 I think they would admit they're at least center-right.

Speaker 42 Because even though we disagree over everything, They're like brothers to me.

Speaker 48 These guys would take a bullet for me, and I would for them too.

Speaker 48 And even though there's a million things that we could go to town on, you know, I went on to their show, and we had like a long and difficult discussion about some of the things we mentioned, like the very dicey issues, and we got completely hammered, and we had so much fun.

Speaker 74 And to me, it's like an example.

Speaker 25 One of the reasons I bring on guys like the fifth column with whom I have so many disagreements is because we really are able to disagree without being disagreeable.

Speaker 70 And I think the audience likes that.

Speaker 42 I think it's a good thing to remind yourself that this is possible, especially for people like you who are living side by side with nothing but people who probably disagree with you, right?

Speaker 18 So, in any man, I'm overstating the delta of our disagreements, but there are enough that I think it's exciting when they come on.

Speaker 5 And I think they're actually one of our most important guests for that reason alone.

Speaker 38 I'm going to introduce them via videotape and then we'll bring the guys out.

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Speaker 49 Hi, Megan. Thank you for coming.
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Speaker 49 Five years.

Speaker 87 Cheers. This is the five years.

Speaker 49 There's a big bunny in front of me. I have to leave now.

Speaker 49 God, is that real?

Speaker 49 Is that a deep fake?

Speaker 87 I thought that was a Megan Kelly deep fake.

Speaker 87 The man is just not in the same universe as the rest of us and has a person in a bunny suit pulling him away from questions about Afghanistan, which sounds like, you know, some acid trip fever dream in a Jefferson airplane song.

Speaker 66 Guess what's coming back?

Speaker 53 Crop tops for men.

Speaker 49 Corrupt tops. My hand's eyes are like silver dollars.

Speaker 81 Coming back?

Speaker 56 Quote, my girlfriend.

Speaker 49 Oh, my girlfriend always makes fun of me.

Speaker 91 What?

Speaker 49 What?

Speaker 53 I have bad news for the girlfriend.

Speaker 49 Yes. Your boyfriend's gay.

Speaker 49 Sorry.

Speaker 107 A land acknowledgement. This land was not claimed or traded.
We still live in a system built to suppress Indigenous peoples.

Speaker 76 Camille, you look moved.

Speaker 66 I can feel, I feel like it touched you a little.

Speaker 108 I mean, there's always something about those land acknowledgements that reminds me of just how out of touch Democrats have the capacity to be.

Speaker 87 I want to acknowledge Steve, who lived in this apartment before we got a paper.

Speaker 68 Democrats never actually let Americans mind their own damn business. And calling the people who don't vote Democrats racist is part of that.

Speaker 68 They are constantly the HR manager, like pointing their fingers and telling you what to do. And people are sick of it.

Speaker 49 Sick of it. Yes.

Speaker 45 Look, I had the Kamala Harris bobble doll. And this was Kamala Harris last night.

Speaker 49 I can almost see her laugh.

Speaker 51 That's how it went.

Speaker 68 Sorry, but it was rough.

Speaker 106 We don't hang out a lot. We don't go for dinners a lot, but we know each other.

Speaker 65 We've spent hours and hours.

Speaker 45 I can't think of a lot of friends I have spent this much time with.

Speaker 28 These relationships you form with the people who you interview and spend time with in this space, they're real.

Speaker 49 Can you do the pearl first?

Speaker 49 No.

Speaker 49 Wow.

Speaker 49 We just moved the chair around too soon.

Speaker 64 If you can look at it just from the right angle and exclude my C-section scars, you're going to find it really hot.

Speaker 75 The fifth column: Camille Foster, Michael Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welsh.

Speaker 75 Yeah!

Speaker 75 Woo!

Speaker 75 Wow!

Speaker 9 Of course, of course.

Speaker 49 Unbelievable. Where's your fifth?

Speaker 43 All we're missing is a hairband.

Speaker 67 Yes.

Speaker 59 I know we have fire.

Speaker 49 Amazing.

Speaker 68 Fun, right?

Speaker 3 Welcome back to California.

Speaker 49 Thanks for having me.

Speaker 49 I said libertarian. And I heard one woman's voice shout, yeah.

Speaker 49 And I want to buy you a drink later, so just text me. She's for you.

Speaker 73 That's great.

Speaker 32 Everybody wants to talk about MTG, guys.

Speaker 73 She's leaving.

Speaker 87 She's leaving.

Speaker 7 What do we think is, I'll give you my own theory.

Speaker 5 All right, then I want to hear your theory.

Speaker 28 So I had her on the show, like in Atlanta.

Speaker 16 It was a week and a half ago.

Speaker 54 Which, by the way, why couldn't she have announced it live on the set, the MK show?

Speaker 95 But okay, fine.

Speaker 28 And I asked her the question about whether AOC was telling the truth when AOC said

Speaker 13 she asked Trump, MTG asked Trump if she could run for Senate.

Speaker 24 And he said, no, like, I don't think you can do it. And he must have somebody else in mind.
And he said, basically, I mean, she can do it, but he's like, I'm not going to get behind it.

Speaker 18 And AOC was saying that's why MTG went on the view and was doing this sort of crossover tour with CNN and sounding very different than she normally sounded.

Speaker 28 And then her attacks on Trump escalated.

Speaker 47 She joined the brigade trying to get the Epstein files.

Speaker 45 He started attacking her downward spiral.

Speaker 13 And then she said, it's just too toxic and I'm out.

Speaker 58 But I do think my own view is she lost the support of Trump, clearly for whatever reason, and she recognized there was no future for her in the Republican Party without Big Daddy because her whole brand was as this stalwart of the MAGA movement and decided to peace out once she and he fractured.

Speaker 37 That's my best guess because I don't know.

Speaker 88 What else could it be?

Speaker 68 Well, Moynihan was with her backstage at Bill Maher like 10 days ago, so we don't know what happened there with her. I think we were talking about this in the green room.

Speaker 68 Who's left that is a Republican elected official who has decided to oppose Trump with some

Speaker 68 regularity?

Speaker 49 There's one person.

Speaker 68 Thomas Massey. And Trump's going full guns at him.
He's trying to get him supplanted.

Speaker 68 Rand Paul is, you know, he used to play a lot of golf with him in the first term. But like, yeah, Trump is circling back around to him.

Speaker 68 We forget now, because it's a lot of time has passed, but in Trump's first administration, in his first year in office, he basically croaked every single potential

Speaker 68 area of disagreement in the Republican Party. He went straight for the Freedom Caucus and made them his lapdogs within nine months.
It was actually kind of spectacular. Justin Amash pieces out.

Speaker 68 Peter Meyer pieces out. Basically, everyone we invite on our podcast immediately

Speaker 49 gets

Speaker 27 like the Grim Reapers

Speaker 68 but I think that's just the reality of Trump's party until the moment that it isn't and I'm it's very curious to figure out when he is going to be a lame duck he isn't now I mean he's very unpopular

Speaker 68 in the country and he's doing worse and worse in the polls and the generic democratic ballot is doing incredibly well right now despite the fact of democrats

Speaker 68 and and even with all of that Republicans are terrified of not just him, they're terrified of his audience, his people out there.

Speaker 68 And I think it's untenable for an elected Republican to be anti-Trump until the moment that it is.

Speaker 77 So why did she go anti-Trump?

Speaker 28 I mean,

Speaker 23 do you think it was the no, don't run for Senate?

Speaker 72 Like, there was a reason.

Speaker 104 She started changing, didn't she?

Speaker 20 Weren't you surprised to see her on CNN?

Speaker 47 My own person, I feel very strongly that the move for any disaffected Republican is not go on CNN.

Speaker 25 It's just not.

Speaker 58 I see that as traitor territory. I do.

Speaker 49 I don't know.

Speaker 37 And they hate everything you stand for on the rank.

Speaker 87 I'm not going to suggest in any way that there's some audience feedback that she's responding to, but on the Bill Maher show, he does the top of the show. And he sits out there with a guest.

Speaker 87 And that episode, there was somebody talking about aliens. So we were sitting across stage waiting, and she seemed nervous.
Because she's going into what she sees as the viper's nest.

Speaker 87 It's Bill Maher, and she was saying he's like, oh, this liberal guy, a liberal audience. And I say, yeah, you got to watch out for the audience.

Speaker 87 Because when they they turn on you, you become the wrestling villain.

Speaker 87 We went out there and they introduced her and I was, and they all applauded, like lustily applauded Southern California, LA audience. They don't know who the guest is going to be.

Speaker 87 So you can't stack it with MTG fans. So they were very, very pro-her.
She didn't get a single boo the whole time. But all the things that she said were not necessarily anti-Trump.

Speaker 87 She had the throat clearing that he's still the greatest president, but. And there was all of these buts until we got to the overtime segment.

Speaker 87 And she had something sounded a little more conservative to me, but we were talking about healthcare most of the time. And it was a bit, you know, it could have been in the Bernie Sanders universe.

Speaker 87 I mean, her politics became, and there's a lot of that in populism too, which is why we disagree with some things you're talking about.

Speaker 87 Is we're definitely ultra-free market people, and there's a lot of people in the populist movement who aren't.

Speaker 87 But she, afterwards, and I can't betray confidence because we had a long conversation afterwards, but she did sound

Speaker 87 much more more left-wing than I had heard her sound in the past.

Speaker 61 You know, I will say,

Speaker 5 maybe there's a piece of this I can relate to, because having been on the wrong side of Donald Trump for a good nine months.

Speaker 36 Heard about that, I think.

Speaker 49 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 60 I'll have to look that up. By the end of that,

Speaker 37 I too was sounding more left-wing.

Speaker 19 You know, like, I was kind of like, I don't like him.

Speaker 56 I don't want to be around him.

Speaker 19 I don't want to have to cover him every night. And it really took four years of Joe Biden to help me see the error of my ways.

Speaker 42 And then I was like, I love him.

Speaker 84 I will walk over broken glass for him.

Speaker 53 Right? I mean, nothing will make you fall in love with Trump like four years with Joe Biden.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 I don't know. It's tough.

Speaker 70 Trump is amazing, and he's, I think, a great president, and he's a special guy.

Speaker 42 But, you know, he's a big personality.

Speaker 49 So if, like, you're on the wrong end of that and you're a Republican, like you don't, you probably don't have much of a future in Congress.

Speaker 49 You're not going to have

Speaker 87 when

Speaker 87 he said

Speaker 87 Marjorie Trader Green, which I thought was kind of funny.

Speaker 49 Sorry.

Speaker 87 And she was like, my life is in danger.

Speaker 49 And I was like, wait. I'm over that.

Speaker 87 I just did the rhetoric from her, who has, by the way, called a number of people traitors. publicly before, but that kind of thing is not something you expect to hear from somebody in the coalition.

Speaker 3 The Republican Party has generally been this big tent movement, that there is some room for disagreement.

Speaker 3 And it felt like someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene having particular issues on foreign policy questions, on some other kind of narrow issues, certainly on the Epstein stuff,

Speaker 3 there's something that was healthy about it for the Republican Party.

Speaker 3 And I do wonder, both with respect to the way the president responded to this video, but also to the fact that he very publicly kind of read her out of the party, if that isn't something of a misstep, that there isn't something to be gained from having a high-profile person who supports you,

Speaker 3 who just disagrees on a couple of important issues.

Speaker 87 That's her failure, though, because Donald Trump, if you know Donald Trump at all, you know that he forgives everyone.

Speaker 49 Look at us. This is, yeah, I mean, you can say anything.

Speaker 87 I had somebody that I interviewed when I was doing the vice show who insulted Donald Trump on camera so aggressively, like in the background, and I was like, should we cut that?

Speaker 87 And he's like, no, it's fine. And then he became a member of the administration.
Trump knew all about it. He doesn't care.
He said, Marco.

Speaker 16 Jamie Vance had the private texts saying,

Speaker 49 kind of like a Nazi girl.

Speaker 28 He's like, he's very forgiving.

Speaker 87 Yeah, and I mean, it's like little Marco, he's like best secretary of state of all time. He's the best.
And it's like, didn't you guys hate each other at some point? He'll forgive you.

Speaker 87 You guys will get over it. Don't break up immediately.

Speaker 3 This is among his best qualities, I think. Like watching that exchange in the Oval today,

Speaker 68 it actually feels kind of good.

Speaker 49 No, it it doesn't. I won't.
I won't. Do you feel good about that? Do you guys feel good about the romance between Trump and Zoran Mamdani?

Speaker 49 No.

Speaker 87 I'll tell you what. Camille.

Speaker 49 I'll tell you.

Speaker 49 I want to be the heel.

Speaker 47 Do the fireworks again.

Speaker 3 What I like about it is there's something about the vitriol in our politics that I think we have all become accustomed to, but that we all kind of have some contempt for.

Speaker 3 As you were saying earlier when you were introducing us in such a generous way, thank you for that, by the way.

Speaker 3 And I was talking to some of the wonderful people in the room in line earlier about the fact that we'll agree on 85, 90% of things. And that's actually true most of the time with most Americans.

Speaker 3 Granted, that 10% can be pretty damn important.

Speaker 3 But the fact that we agree on so much ought to give us more opportunities to see scenes like that. And I appreciated that that played out in the office.

Speaker 3 And of course, Trump being the funniest man to have ever occupied the Oval Office had the best line of the evening as well.

Speaker 37 With Zoran?

Speaker 87 Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 It's fine to call me a fascist. Just go ahead.

Speaker 74 Did you see that? Trump's like, you don't have to.

Speaker 49 Do we have that? Hold on, I got a long slot list right here.

Speaker 62 It's good.

Speaker 87 It's a very good clip.

Speaker 87 But we disagree with Mamdani on 98% of things.

Speaker 49 Well, yeah.

Speaker 87 In that 10%.

Speaker 49 No, we don't have any overlap with him at all.

Speaker 58 As we should.

Speaker 87 And two of us live in that

Speaker 87 decaying city.

Speaker 112 I think he's going to surprise some conservative people, actually.

Speaker 98 Just Just days ago, you referred to President Trump as a despot.

Speaker 112 And I've been called much worse than a despot, so

Speaker 87 it's not that insulting.

Speaker 112 I expect to be helping him, not hurting him. A big help, because I want New York City to be great.

Speaker 98 Do you think you're standing next to a jihadist right now in the Oval Office?

Speaker 112 No, I don't. You say things sometimes in a campaign.
I met with a man who's a very rational person.

Speaker 94 Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?

Speaker 87 I've spoken about fascism.

Speaker 112 That's okay. You could just say that.
Focus on.

Speaker 49 Okay.

Speaker 112 It's easier.

Speaker 112 It's easier than explaining it. I don't like it.

Speaker 49 It's funny. It's funny.

Speaker 87 I don't like it, but it's funny.

Speaker 49 What is happening? Yeah, what is happening?

Speaker 42 MTG is out, and Trump hates her, and she's a traitor.

Speaker 111 Zora Mamdani is in, and Trump thinks it's funny to call him a fascist.

Speaker 49 Who are we?

Speaker 49 Respect game.

Speaker 68 Game, respect, game.

Speaker 68 They're both from Queens. They both came from outside of the establishment of their parties.
They're both really savvy at media, whether you like Mom Dani or Trump or not.

Speaker 68 He's very skilled at it, especially compared to the stiff boards that he was running against. Cuomo's campaign was unbelievably non-existent.

Speaker 68 It was just the worst campaign I've ever seen in the history.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 78 But Trump endorsed Cuomo.

Speaker 68 And Trump enjoys him. Like

Speaker 68 Ben Smith, our friend at Semaphore, had a piece just two weeks ago talking about that. There's a fan club within within the White House for Zoran Mamdami because they kind of see what he's doing.

Speaker 68 And as Trump said, and this should terrify every single one of us, especially those of us who live in New York, he's like, hey, we have a lot of the same policies.

Speaker 68 And we're talking about the same economic policies here.

Speaker 49 That's not good. That's not good at all.

Speaker 48 But wait, but I've also heard that there's a fan club in the White House for Zoran Mamdani, but not for that reason.

Speaker 42 Because they're going to make him the poster boy of the left,

Speaker 37 the communist left, and they're really looking forward to having him as this

Speaker 49 thing to sort of beat up for the next four years destroy my city for that i'm sorry really i mean look these people have no sympathy for you look how they have to live

Speaker 87 does anybody have like the one who said uh cheer for libertarian do you have like a spare room that i can i love i love california but you guys have horrible leadership too so what about what who will take over steve's apartment

Speaker 87 well my rent's not going up i know that so there's that the costs will go go up, but the rent won't.

Speaker 14 I don't know.

Speaker 38 I'm uncomfortable with the Zoran Mom Donnie romance.

Speaker 54 And I also, like, to me, I recognize we're all in media, and you guys consume enough media because you're here that you know it's true, too.

Speaker 28 That, like, they don't mean it when they say the really terrible things about each other when they're campaigning.

Speaker 27 You know, like, Zoran's been calling Trump all the terrible names. And I watched that New York debate, the last one.

Speaker 36 I watched both of them, but...

Speaker 36 The last one where Cuomo and Zoran threw down and Cuomo was like, I will work with Donald Trump.

Speaker 42 You know, we got to get along with the president.

Speaker 48 I'll stand up to him when I need to, but there has to be a good relationship between the mayor of New York and the president of the United States. And Zoran's like, I will fight Donald Trump.

Speaker 75 I will not lie down for Donald. I will take him on at every turn.

Speaker 49 And look at the two of them now, like BFFs.

Speaker 87 Well, I mean, you saw what

Speaker 87 whoever the person in the media said,

Speaker 87 you know, you were called by Elise Stefanik a jihadist. And Trump's response, he's like, she's running for, of course, you say that.
It doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 87 And it's like he was saying it out front that he called, she called him a jihadist. And he's like, yeah, but you know that she's running.
In Trump's brain, he's like, yeah, you just say stuff. Right.

Speaker 87 And then what you do is what matters.

Speaker 87 I think that in a lot of ways, there's obviously limits to that. But in a lot of ways, that is true.

Speaker 87 I mean, I know that Zoran Mamgani, much to the disappointment of so many of the morons that I call friends, they don't watch, I can say it, the idiots that I know,

Speaker 49 friends of mine

Speaker 87 that I've known for a long time who believe this stuff is going to happen, that you're going going to get free buses. They think that the mayor can just do that.

Speaker 87 It's like, no, this is the rhetoric that makes dummies like you go to the polls because you're going to get free stuff.

Speaker 87 And it never happens.

Speaker 25 Did you see the moment we had Jack Pesovic on the stage last night in Bakersfield? And did you see him get in Jezoran's face saying,

Speaker 73 you said you wanted to create tax policy based on where the whites were.

Speaker 19 Like, you're very focused on targeting whites.

Speaker 42 You You said that. You promised to raise taxes on white people, which is illegal.

Speaker 111 And

Speaker 25 he dodged.

Speaker 48 Zoran Mamdani sounded a lot more reasonable and less interested in going after the whites when he was cross-examined by Jack, which was interesting.

Speaker 24 But

Speaker 113 I actually

Speaker 13 think it was all fake.

Speaker 28 I don't think it's a game respects game.

Speaker 66 I think Trump is always affable when you're affable to him.

Speaker 18 But as soon as Zoran gets out of there and gets back to New York and says his first bad thing about Trump, which he will, because that's what his constituency wants to see.

Speaker 33 Trump is gonna, the big gorilla is coming back out.

Speaker 87 I don't think he said anything nice about Trump when Trump was being nice to him. He was kind of sitting there in that kind of statue.

Speaker 49 Backstage they seem to have.

Speaker 34 Okay. Right? He seemed to have wooed Trump into like his affable statement.

Speaker 58 Yeah, not to the media.

Speaker 21 Where he would say, go ahead and call me a fascist.

Speaker 28 It's fine.

Speaker 42 Really, there was some glad handing backstage.

Speaker 19 All right, but speaking about this weird world in which, like, Trump doesn't like MTG, but he does like Zoran,

Speaker 77 Dick Cheney's funeral.

Speaker 77 What

Speaker 87 This is so bizarre.

Speaker 61 Rachel Maddow was in the front row of Dick Cheney's funeral.

Speaker 27 She literally bashed him every night for years.

Speaker 111 And yet, and also Trump wasn't there.

Speaker 25 Like, the realignment that is happening right now is real.

Speaker 49 Can anyone explain?

Speaker 68 A thing that I thought a lot about with Dick Cheney dying and the reaction to it, I was on a

Speaker 68 conservative radio show in Salt Lake City, I think, on the morning that he died, and they had me on to bash Mom Donnie, which I was happy to.

Speaker 68 But their preamble was like, oh, Dick Cheney died, by the way, today. He used to be good, but he turned really bad at the end when he went against Trump.

Speaker 68 And they kind of railed against him for a while. As someone who was never a fan of Dick Cheney to begin with, this is always very fun to kind of watch people go in all these directions.

Speaker 68 But the two people in the last 50 years who have expanded the powers of the presidency the most, and it's not close, are Dick Cheney Cheney and Donald Trump.

Speaker 68 That was Dick Cheney's project from the time that he was in the Ford administration and seeing the post-Richard Nixon kind of Watergate rollbacks of executive power.

Speaker 68 He made that his desire and drive under George W. Bush.
He wanted to expand those powers.

Speaker 68 Donald Trump, who campaigned against the Bush family very effectively and very daringly in the 2016 primary and against Cheney and the forever wars and all of this stuff, Trump's picked up all of those powers.

Speaker 68 He's used all of them gleefully, willingly.

Speaker 87 Because every person has done that since Bush, Obama expanded them, Trump expanded them, Biden continued it too. You can't give the keys and ever expect someone to give them back.

Speaker 87 One of the things that I think is interesting is, I don't know if you noticed, Megan, that after when Cheney died, it was almost that I didn't hear about it for a couple of days.

Speaker 87 There was almost no, and that was more indicative to me of the shift in policy, like away from, I mean, he was, this is a really weird, stupid, narrow distinction that no one cares about.

Speaker 87 He wasn't necessarily a neocon. Neocons didn't consider him one.
But he was of that universe.

Speaker 87 He's obviously the man that's one of the big architects of the Iraq war that you could not get a single Republican to say a positive thing about today. Not one.
Try to find one.

Speaker 87 And when he died, no one really said anything.

Speaker 87 In the strange new respect, When you see this, and our producer Jason mentioned Mark Leibowitz's book, Our Town, and about all these people at Tim Russert's funeral, which is a great scene in a book.

Speaker 87 It shows you, the funeral shows you so much about DC politics because no one believes in anything really. Rachel Maddow, and there's a new,

Speaker 87 what is it, Grok or whatever, Gemini, this AI thing. And I said, let me try it out.
What did Rachel Maddow say on her show about

Speaker 87 Dick Cheney? Oh my God, that thing spat out some insane thing.

Speaker 87 Like basically, he's a terrorist and he's a war criminal, and she's four rows back sitting next to Anthony Fauci, by the way. Yeah.

Speaker 81 At this funeral.

Speaker 53 And so it's like, why are they there?

Speaker 49 At the end of his life, he hated Trump enough, and that's the paramount thing in her life now. That's it.
That's it.

Speaker 114 He hated Trump. That's why Rachel Maddow showed up at his funeral.

Speaker 49 Think of how F up that is. It's really crazy.
What is that?

Speaker 68 Unlike people like Bill Crystal, who actually just changed his politics. He's become kind of an FDR Democrat now in the process of becoming an anti-Trump person.

Speaker 68 As far as I know, Dick Cheney never changed any of his politics. No.

Speaker 49 He just didn't like Trump.

Speaker 49 No.

Speaker 27 Well, he also produced Liz Cheney, which people like Rachel Maddow like.

Speaker 68 Right, exactly. And I mean, not fans.
And mark my words, if you haven't seen it already, you're going to see this with MTG as well. The Strange New Respect.

Speaker 68 I saw Chuck Todd, your favorite, talking about how, like, you know,

Speaker 59 Chuck Todd cast.

Speaker 27 I think they're up to 30 viewers now.

Speaker 68 He linked to her statement today, which is very long and written, too, badly written, as if he was writing for Vanity Fair or something. And he, what?

Speaker 68 And he's like, you know, read every word. This is an important American statement.
It's like, dude, MTG, Chuck Todd, and Dick Cheney, I think it was the same thing.

Speaker 68 Like, he didn't modify his views at all, but he became this

Speaker 68 effective person for this thing that media people cared about.

Speaker 20 But let's move back to looking forward.

Speaker 45 A lot of the left now arguing Trump is a lame duck.

Speaker 30 I think it's wishful thinking.

Speaker 80 I don't think Trump will ever be a lame duck.

Speaker 19 I don't think those rules apply to him.

Speaker 87 Not in his mind, no.

Speaker 42 He's right?

Speaker 19 Like, he's not like

Speaker 48 Barack Obama rode off into the sunset and is now just dealing with his mess of a wife.

Speaker 56 Good luck, brother.

Speaker 71 George Bush, I think, genuinely wanted privacy after he left the presidency.

Speaker 73 He and Laura were classy and went and didn't

Speaker 59 attack the people.

Speaker 48 They came after them, and they're leading a private life now.

Speaker 5 A lot of great paintings.

Speaker 49 Let's not forget that. A lot of great paintings.

Speaker 49 He actually really is talented.

Speaker 25 Clinton does his grift on the Clinton initiative and all that.

Speaker 36 Yeah, we all know his criminal wife is doing her thing. And now they've got their loser daughter who's really never done anything lecturing us on how Maha sucks.

Speaker 61 Imagine making that your cause.

Speaker 5 Like, no, I don't want to make America healthy again.

Speaker 19 I don't want any questions about vaccines or anything else.

Speaker 72 I'm just going to status quo.

Speaker 28 Kids are doing great.

Speaker 21 That's going to be my thing.

Speaker 86 Chelsea's technical vaccine.

Speaker 49 Yes, she is.

Speaker 87 I don't get my Google alerts for Chelsea Clinton anymore.

Speaker 74 But my point is, Trump's not going to do that.

Speaker 25 Trump, his whole, his oxygen is attention and celebrity, and he'll live post-presidency the way he lived pre-presidency.

Speaker 16 And do you think he's going to be shy about going after Republican politicians who crossed him while he was president, about using his bully pulpit to actually bully people?

Speaker 25 When he's, you know, post-president?

Speaker 72 Like, he won't.

Speaker 42 He is going to use it, and they are going to be afraid of him, especially if we have a J.D.

Speaker 43 Vance president.

Speaker 87 You don't have to be the president.

Speaker 33 Got some J.D. Vance fans here.

Speaker 87 Yeah, I don't know what

Speaker 87 that is.

Speaker 49 Also known as...

Speaker 49 Yeah. I don't know.
What's happening? I heard something behind me.

Speaker 87 No, you don't have to be the president to say that person should be primaried and have people act on it. Like, he's not, you're absolutely right about this.
He's not going to back down.

Speaker 87 And why would he? In the second you walk out of office, you're not denuded of power. People like him for reasons, not just because they're scared of him.

Speaker 87 It's not just because they're like, okay, we're waiting for him to ride off in the sunset. He has like fundamentally remade the party.
In those years when Joe Biden was president,

Speaker 87 that was his party still. He was not in the White House.
That was his party. It has been his party.
And it's going to be his party for better or for worse.

Speaker 87 I mean, for like libertarian types like us, who love free market economics and things like that, that part sucks.

Speaker 49 Yes, he's your guy. We are friends and roommates now.
There are dozens of us.

Speaker 49 Deal?

Speaker 49 Sorry. Sorry.

Speaker 87 But yeah, I don't think that's going to end and it doesn't just disappear in the libertarians come back and the Cato Institute come back. Come back.
No, I mean, there are never.

Speaker 71 Assumes facts.

Speaker 87 No, there was one election where the Libertarian Party got 0.1% of the vote.

Speaker 49 Right on. Very uplifting.

Speaker 68 I think that if he loses big in the midterms, he has less power. But I think you you are right.
He is the most consequential figure in American politics in the last 35 years, and it's not close.

Speaker 68 Like, he is... Not even close.

Speaker 68 Whatever America was doing between World War II and the Cold War, which was basically the Cold War, was an important task.

Speaker 68 And then afterwards, when we finished the task, Americans are like, cool, so we're done, right?

Speaker 68 And no politician answered that question. He's the first one to really try and to achieve prominent office to try to answer that question.
I don't like the way he answers that question sometimes.

Speaker 68 Sometimes I do like the way he answers that question. But he recognizes that that's a thing.
And the old world, it's like they had literal zombie as a president for the last four years.

Speaker 49 They're just wheeling him around.

Speaker 68 They don't know who he is.

Speaker 49 He didn't know who he is. He didn't know who he is.

Speaker 68 So

Speaker 68 that power is going to stay with him, I think.

Speaker 3 He will continue to be energetic. What I find the most interesting question is who actually steps in to fill the void when Donald Trump is no longer the most important man in our politics?

Speaker 49 And that's part of the problem. And that's part of all the squabbling right now, too.
Let's begin to say that.

Speaker 66 Oh, 100% within the Republican Party.

Speaker 68 It's shocking for the position of who comes next. Absolutely.
That's part of it.

Speaker 47 I totally agree with that. And it's like now it's at the podcaster level, but it's going to go up to the presidential level very soon.

Speaker 59 But yeah, people are practicing for, you know, is it going to be JD?

Speaker 16 And I don't even know if they're, if, if, like, Marco is going to be the appealing candidate he would have been four years ago.

Speaker 68 Ted Cruz is thirsty.

Speaker 49 Yes. He is.

Speaker 49 I'm not saying I'm

Speaker 68 giving him water, but like

Speaker 49 he just said his name. It's all right.

Speaker 49 Don't get mad at him.

Speaker 35 He is thirsty.

Speaker 21 I mean, like all these people have run for president so many times.

Speaker 42 Like I've been cross-examining Ted Cruz and his presidential debates since I was like 14.

Speaker 49 There you go.

Speaker 74 Don't you at some point say, I guess they don't want me?

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 13 I think you had your shot.

Speaker 15 You took it.

Speaker 71 You missed it again and again and again. We need some new blood going in there.

Speaker 25 And that new blood, I think, is now 41 years old and married to a woman named Usha.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 49 That's probably right.

Speaker 59 All right, guys, I got to wrap it up.

Speaker 19 It's wonderful having you here.

Speaker 49 Good luck with your roommate

Speaker 19 and your time in California, and thank you all for everything.

Speaker 49 Thank you, Megan.

Speaker 49 Thank you. Aren't they amazing?

Speaker 49 So fun, aren't they?

Speaker 43 You always learn something from our pals at the fifth column.

Speaker 22 You always have some laughs, right?

Speaker 38 One of you gained a roommate.

Speaker 41 We're really coming together tonight.

Speaker 13 All right, we're moving around our chairs because we're going to bring out our next guest.

Speaker 38 Yeah, just leave him on the chair. It's fine.

Speaker 5 Anyway,

Speaker 36 Maureen's coming, but not yet.

Speaker 24 My next guest is somebody who shot to Superstardom

Speaker 18 on an NBC show

Speaker 47 called The Biggest Loser.

Speaker 45 She quickly became the breakout star of that show because she was fearless, she was no nonsense, she was all about the tough love.

Speaker 16 She got shit done.

Speaker 42 And for me personally, watching Jillian Michaels transform from a California Democrat who wasn't necessarily political, but like your normal California Democrat, into somebody who has clearly been red-billed, has been a thing of beauty.

Speaker 43 And I really think, I've heard Jillian say this, but like,

Speaker 25 if you look at her, the demo around her, and like, you know,

Speaker 41 she's a lesbian, she's married to a woman, she's got kids who are diverse.

Speaker 22 If California is too radical for her, if the Democrat Party is too radical for her, they're doing something wrong.

Speaker 61 Something really wrong.

Speaker 38 She needs no introduction, but we're going to give her one anyway, Jillian Michaels, and then we'll bring her out.

Speaker 28 Throughout history, what's the first freedom tyrants try to silence?

Speaker 26 Religious liberty.

Speaker 41 Because when your rights come from God, not government, they cannot be taken away.

Speaker 47 You lose this freedom, you lose America.

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Speaker 68 I'm Dan Pashman from the Sporkful. We like to say it's not for foodies, it's for eaters.
We use food to learn about culture, history, and science.

Speaker 68 There was the time we looked into allegations of discrimination at Bon Appetit, or when I spent three years inventing a new pasta shape. It's a complex noodle that you've put together.

Speaker 68 Every episode of The Sporkful, you're going to learn something, feel something, and laugh. The Sporkful, get it wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 51 We have a lot in common.

Speaker 39 We were both heavy girls. I found out the hard way from the kids at school.

Speaker 118 Kids will always make you aware.

Speaker 49 And you were bullied.

Speaker 45 I was bullied, I think, for a host of reasons.

Speaker 81 I was gay and didn't know I was gay.

Speaker 46 Huge nose and terrible skin and braces.

Speaker 28 Not a glamorous period in my life.

Speaker 79 The root out of that was eventually fitness.

Speaker 49 When somebody feels stronger physically, they feel stronger in every facet of their lives.

Speaker 75 Get your ass on the treadmill now.

Speaker 97 We got Jillian Michaels back in the gym.

Speaker 77 I don't give a f what you think of me.

Speaker 49 That needs to hurt.

Speaker 41 This is going to go on for hours every day i love jillian she's coming out of her like liberal bubble over the past few years she's really started to get it like wait a minute i think i've been really misled by my side keeping it real with jillian michaels i feel myself being less neutral

Speaker 49 every single thing is like oh no no no this is all because white people bad and that's just not the truth like for example every single exhibit i have a list of every single one we don't have time to litigate Of course, we don't, because then you're going to do the argument.

Speaker 113 And everything is racialized, just like you're trying to do to me now.

Speaker 28 Of course, the left is like, oh, she's a racist.

Speaker 7 Having a white son and a black daughter is really distressing to me. I want my daughter to know that not all white people are bad.

Speaker 55 Sorry, that's important to me.

Speaker 123 You said those who are making the case that there's no difference between transgender women and biological women are deranged.

Speaker 113 Anybody with a pair of eyes knows that men have better athleticism since the inception of humanity.

Speaker 117 Don Lemon does not like women.

Speaker 10 In particular, strong women.

Speaker 102 You're a f ⁇ ing moron, dude.

Speaker 39 Everyone knows Megan Kelly is hot.

Speaker 41 There is a reason that Shirley Theron played her in the movie.

Speaker 124 Don Lemon is a miserable individual, and he puts that on display weakly.

Speaker 59 I love that.

Speaker 49 That was a fantastic compilation, I must admit.

Speaker 66 That last bit with the Don Laman.

Speaker 41 The Megan Kelly's hot bit.

Speaker 20 I love that so much.

Speaker 51 I love that because, you know, we've been talking about tonight about how there's like a fracturing on the right and it feels uncomfortable.

Speaker 25 None of us really likes it at all.

Speaker 28 But like, there's so much more of that where people who are on team sanity actually do have each other's back. And we don't actually allow bullshit attacks on our people.

Speaker 42 And we realize who we are fighting.

Speaker 73 It's lunatics like that.

Speaker 122 That's exactly right. I think that all the time.
And you have had my back, actually, in some of the worst moments.

Speaker 122 Some of the moments that were the most controversial, in particular, like that CNN moment.

Speaker 119 And i'll never forget i was just thinking like oh my god this is it i'm a white nationalist now like it's all over

Speaker 73 and thank you and someone sent me a clip of you saying i've watched jillian's transformation talking about it and you go she's awesome and it meant everything to me in that moment and i it did and from that point i was like i swear to god i i will go to war with this woman i love that i feel the same because it when you're getting attacked universally online you have to get used to it when you're in our business, but

Speaker 48 you notice the ones who don't join in and you never forget the ones who actually say something on your behalf.

Speaker 5 That's so true.

Speaker 54 A hundred percent.

Speaker 42 Absolutely.

Speaker 81 And they sit quietly in the corner and it's like, what are we fighting for?

Speaker 90 I know.

Speaker 76 Like who who are the real enemies?

Speaker 88 Like this is this whole tour has had

Speaker 51 it's not a paw, but it's had the memory, the thought of Charlie over it in both a very positive way, like an inspirational way, but also, you know,

Speaker 21 there's something obviously deeply sad about not having him here.

Speaker 47 He was supposed to be with us last night in Bakersfield.

Speaker 22 And the whole tour, we've talked about this rift within the right.

Speaker 39 We had Tucker, then we had Ben.

Speaker 24 And all I keep thinking to myself is, the other side is literally killing us.

Speaker 37 Can we please keep our eye on the ball?

Speaker 96 Like, that's who the enemy is.

Speaker 42 The enemy is the radical left that is radicalizing young men so much to the point where they feel they had no other options but to start killing us.

Speaker 47 That's the problem.

Speaker 37 Let's keep our eyes on that one.

Speaker 49 I agree,

Speaker 122 but I would warn, and I know this is not a popular position, and I appreciate, I think you and I both want the same thing.

Speaker 49 We want,

Speaker 24 honestly, to never have Gavin Newsom be president.

Speaker 45 Let's just,

Speaker 49 I think,

Speaker 49 oh my God.

Speaker 122 They're like, hello, California, you know what I mean.

Speaker 122 And my concern, your concern is we have to hold everyone together to get there.

Speaker 29 My concern is that people who are a bit more moderate are deeply alarmed by Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 66 And he's not part of the coalition.

Speaker 29 And that's what I think needs to be said.

Speaker 83 As often as possible, this is not what it means to be a conservative.

Speaker 29 No, it isn't.

Speaker 32 He's here.

Speaker 49 God.

Speaker 126 He's powerful.

Speaker 49 Well done. Well played, sir.

Speaker 42 No, he's not. He's definitely not.

Speaker 19 I mean, look, we've always had fringy, weird people who are popular and because they say really crazy.

Speaker 36 And in his case, like genuinely, and I trust me, I do not throw this word around because I've been called this word and all the other words.

Speaker 84 But truly, he says very racist stuff.

Speaker 53 He uses the N-word,

Speaker 37 you know, he uses all the most derogatory slurs for people.

Speaker 54 It's like, this is, he's a very fringy person.

Speaker 24 But I also understand the interest in him because he's a compelling messenger when he's not saying those things and because

Speaker 28 Really it's what's most interesting about him is why he's popular like the disaffected young men who are gravitating that way.

Speaker 33 That's that's what's most interesting.

Speaker 122 That's exactly what I was fighting about on CNN is that if you continue yes to demonize these young boys

Speaker 122 They are going to lean into that.

Speaker 49 They are vomiting on your woke ideology and you are creating an entire generation of racists.

Speaker 25 You are forcing them into tribalism.

Speaker 25 This is what is so galling, so galling, watching the leftists talk about Nick Fuentes, like he's a right-wing problem, like he was created by right-wingers, and all of his followers now, those are created by right-wingers.

Speaker 46 That's not at all what happened.

Speaker 42 The left has been demonizing young boys, in particular white boys, for 15 plus years now.

Speaker 53 They get blamed for literally everything.

Speaker 42 They have to go to school and sit through Black History Month and

Speaker 42 Women's History Month and Pride Month, and all the while they're told that they're to blame for everything.

Speaker 5 And then, when it's time to apply for colleges, they're told, you're not getting in.

Speaker 72 You're white. We don't take whites.

Speaker 42 It's basically what all these schools are saying.

Speaker 42 They get told they're toxically masculine by the same women they had to celebrate for all the months in high school.

Speaker 78 They get out and they're disaffected. They're pissed.

Speaker 82 They're angry.

Speaker 16 And he's giving a voice to it.

Speaker 122 What's so devastating is that you bring bring up Charlie and Charlie was clearly the bulwark to this kind of crazy.

Speaker 49 And God,

Speaker 122 he's so missed. He's so missed in our household.

Speaker 122 My son loved him.

Speaker 116 And

Speaker 49 they met, right?

Speaker 125 So I actually didn't really know about Charlie.

Speaker 122 And, you know, my son had been listening to him.

Speaker 28 And of course, I started to hear, like, oh, he's a racist.

Speaker 20 Oh, and he's, you know, he's a misogynist.

Speaker 115 And I thought, like, I should maybe just, you know, why don't I just want to sit here and just watch one of these videos with you, honey?

Speaker 122 And we began watching Charlie Kirk together.

Speaker 16 And we would laugh hysterically and video after video after reel.

Speaker 46 And I thought, like, this guy's lovely.

Speaker 124 He loves his wife. He loves his kids.

Speaker 122 He talks about being chivalrous on a date. He speaks to everyone.
He works to bridge ideologies.

Speaker 119 Like, I got rap music that's the most disgusting shit I have ever heard about women

Speaker 25 and then there's this guy telling my son how to behave like a gentleman yes please and it's just he's he's so missed I know he's missed it's one of the things I want to talk to Eric about tomorrow about Charlie and his and his advice for young men in pictures in particular on dating front and I wonder whether she's going to pick up that mantle you know I wonder whether that's something she can do

Speaker 40 Anyway, that's happening 24 hours from now.

Speaker 44 It's pretty incredible.

Speaker 24 One of the things I've been watching you speak out more and more about, and we had some of it in that clip, is the men and women's sports thing and the men and women's spaces thing.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 48 And I got one for you.

Speaker 49 I got one. I can't believe we're actually talking about this.

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 55 I get into these conversations.

Speaker 122 It's like, you know, the Olympics is doing a new study to see if men are stronger than women.

Speaker 116 I'm like, get the fuck out.

Speaker 49 Really?

Speaker 49 Oh my God, what do you think they're going to find?

Speaker 61 They're the best scientists in the world.

Speaker 49 That's crazy.

Speaker 107 I just cannot believe we're talking about this, but I'm here for it.

Speaker 42 So you know on that fight, it's two steps, one step forward, two steps backward.

Speaker 38 You know, like we make progress and then we get drawn back.

Speaker 30 And that leads me to...

Speaker 38 Do you guys remember?

Speaker 23 Do you remember, do you know the name Kayla Lemieux?

Speaker 91 Yeah, a couple of you know it.

Speaker 25 Do you remember the Canadian shop teacher?

Speaker 27 Now you're starting to get it.

Speaker 60 Right?

Speaker 27 A Canadian shop teacher who is male.

Speaker 121 Is this the Maryland teacher? Yes, yes.

Speaker 61 Okay, I'm for sure going to jail because of you because I'd never heard of this and was googling like, man, boobs, ninth graders.

Speaker 55 And the FBI is showing up tonight at my door.

Speaker 50 You'll be there with my producers.

Speaker 54 You're good.

Speaker 111 There's another one.

Speaker 42 That's the setup.

Speaker 19 So there's another Kaylin Lemieux.

Speaker 96 Only this one's ours.

Speaker 52 He's American.

Speaker 111 And he's teaching ninth graders in Baltimore, Maryland.

Speaker 77 And he is showing up like this.

Speaker 13 Watch this video.

Speaker 128 When the song come on, let me see you get gone.

Speaker 128 Baby mama, this shit song been pregnant for way too long.

Speaker 128 I told the DJ, turn it off.

Speaker 4 I can't believe you're getting so worked up about some guy.

Speaker 29 This one is different. He's honest and he's sweet.

Speaker 49 Police.

Speaker 18 He would never do anything to hurt me.

Speaker 49 He's a guy.

Speaker 42 Besides, oh, oneness, you can't beat him.

Speaker 29 He has no weaknesses.

Speaker 49 He's gonna.

Speaker 49 I think

Speaker 49 he does make.

Speaker 49 I truly think

Speaker 49 he does.

Speaker 5 OMG, this is broken by Libs of TikTok, Chia Ratchet,

Speaker 27 and also picked up by Revolve News.

Speaker 85 This is deeply disturbing.

Speaker 20 This is still going on in our schools in Baltimore, Maryland.

Speaker 54 These kids have to walk in and see, I'm not sure about the the pregnancy prosthetic, but those breasts.

Speaker 24 His official school photo has those enormous fake breasts in it look at this what what would you do if this were your son's teacher or daughter's

Speaker 122 um i would pull him out i would definitely pull him out i would like to see some of the jillian michaels from the biggest loser go deal with that person i actually already have had to deal with the principal over two issues this year not one like this but one where the kids were celebrating charlie dying my kids were my kids were devastated and my daughter's like i can't believe this is happening I had to pull them out of school for days because they're like, they're conservative kids.

Speaker 49 And my daughter's like, I'm like, honey, are you okay?

Speaker 116 She's like, no, mom, of course I'm not okay.

Speaker 124 And it's like these schools are allowing this crazy.

Speaker 73 I don't care what this weirdo does. I'm sorry.

Speaker 119 I don't care what this person does in their bedroom.

Speaker 122 But the fact that the schools are allowing this kind of crazy.

Speaker 43 Can you imagine if you and I just showed up to teach ninth grade and started talking about our sexual fetishes?

Speaker 12 Not that I have any, I don't, of course.

Speaker 115 But can you imagine, like, just as a straight person or as a person who's seemingly more normal, we would be thrown out of there in a second.

Speaker 103 And instead, we're having to fight with crap like this.

Speaker 119 I had one teacher go after my son for my political beliefs. What?

Speaker 55 And I will throw that kid to the wolves.

Speaker 16 I'm like, listen, you got to fight your own fights.

Speaker 127 But this is my fight.

Speaker 124 That this bastard was taking up with my son.

Speaker 41 What was he doing?

Speaker 121 My son was

Speaker 122 writing down some issues and concerns that they asked him to express with regard to California politics.

Speaker 49 He's like, I'm excited.

Speaker 71 He's got a lot to say.

Speaker 121 And the teacher's like, well, someone has clearly been brainwashed by their parents.

Speaker 49 Whoa.

Speaker 49 And he came home and he thought it was like he could handle it, but you could tell he was irked.

Speaker 122 And then this guy started penalizing him and being punitive and making him.

Speaker 49 So he ended up in a debate with a girl about being transgender.

Speaker 121 And she was saying, you know, trans women are women.

Speaker 122 And he goes, so if I cut off my testicles and my penis, I'm a girl tomorrow. And the guy punished him and sat him out of sports.

Speaker 122 And I called the principal and I'm like, I'm confused.

Speaker 124 Either you're allowing these debates in school or you're not.

Speaker 122 But you've penalized my son for his position.

Speaker 49 What other words would you like him to use to engage in this debate like this kind of crazy in school is rampant do you live in Orange County yeah okay that's your problem yeah I know I know

Speaker 74 I know I know have you guys had any of this with teachers

Speaker 21 our poor friend who's on the school board is fighting these fights every day now I mean, we've had this many, many times in New York.

Speaker 36 And of course, we now famously left New York City because the teachers were so insane. But I mean, that's true insanity.

Speaker 32 And not only is that insanity what we saw up there, it is a sexual fetish that he's working out on children.

Speaker 111 I like, I see that. I'm like, I don't even, I don't want to call the principal.

Speaker 61 I want to call the police.

Speaker 49 Like, think about it.

Speaker 48 If a man came into school, a male teacher came into school, an actual male teacher, and wore skin-tight shorts so tight you could see

Speaker 40 everything.

Speaker 62 That's what you do.

Speaker 111 You would think about calling the police.

Speaker 49 Of Of course you would.

Speaker 71 How is this any different?

Speaker 84 This is so much grosser.

Speaker 122 But what's crazy is that the stray teacher would be thrown out of school because nobody would worry about being called transphobic.

Speaker 124 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 117 And so it's these pejoratives that they utilize to silence people.

Speaker 71 You have to be willing to, honestly, to get up on that cross because you will pay a price.

Speaker 81 You know it. I know it.

Speaker 16 You pay a price for calling this out.

Speaker 46 Yes.

Speaker 30 Did you see, though, we now have a new friend?

Speaker 31 Yes. In Joy Reed?

Speaker 71 Yes.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 114 We're feeling really good about Joy Reed now.

Speaker 17 I mean, I'm stunned to tell you I'm actually being sincere.

Speaker 42 She came out. We'll roll the soundbite.

Speaker 18 We played it the other day, but here's Joy Reed on this poor woman, Tish Hyman, who got thrown out of the Gold's Gym right here.

Speaker 28 Who got thrown out of the Gold's Gym because she objected to a man being in the women's locker room watching.

Speaker 120 I would be disturbed. I'm telling you, I would be alarmed.

Speaker 42 I'm alarmed enough when I see a woman with her dangling boobies.

Speaker 120 If I saw a penis in the ladies' locker room, I would freak out too.

Speaker 120 This is just, I mean, this is nothing against trans anybody. What it's saying is if I turn around and I see a pee-pee, a...

Speaker 120 a penis in front of me inside of the room, I would probably go to management and say, wait a minute, why is there somebody, a naked man in this room?

Speaker 120 Because just the world we live in, just from a safety standpoint and just from a, you know, from a privacy standpoint, I would, so I can see why she would have gone and reported to management.

Speaker 120 There's a man naked in the band. Now, if they clarified and they said, well, trans

Speaker 120 okay, but I think they should take her concerns also seriously. Because if she's uncomfortable, does she not have the right to be at least uncomfortable with this situation? Is what I'm saying.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 I just want to say

Speaker 19 you're welcome

Speaker 22 because truly I'm thrilled to have her join the fight.

Speaker 23 I agree.

Speaker 63 But the reason she joined the fight is because you joined the fight and I joined the fight and you joined the fight and we made her join the fight.

Speaker 38 Tish Hyman made her join the fight.

Speaker 49 Great.

Speaker 25 Better late than never because it's her side that's the problem and they're much more likely to listen to her than they are to us.

Speaker 117 I, you know, I had to really stop and think

Speaker 28 about my feelings on this.

Speaker 25 And I thought, like, Jillian, if you really want what's best, then you celebrate this, you commend her, you give her her flowers.

Speaker 117 And that's what, that's what we're doing.

Speaker 62 Good for you, Joy Reed.

Speaker 122 Thanks for joining in.

Speaker 27 And tomorrow she'll be ripping on our white woman too.

Speaker 49 Yeah, no, there's five.

Speaker 80 This woman single-handedly pushed every liberal I know out of MSNBC.

Speaker 20 That's how intense she is.

Speaker 74 I mean, she's okay, she's going to help us on this issue now.

Speaker 88 But back to our other issue,

Speaker 21 there's no one more responsible for those messages about young white men than Joy Reed.

Speaker 19 I mean, she's not forgiven for all of that.

Speaker 18 I mean, she's never seen a white person that she doesn't like unless, I guess, there's a couple, like the Nicole Wallace's of the world, the women who will genuflect when they see the Joy Reeds of the world.

Speaker 24 Like,

Speaker 16 they kiss up to her, they tell her how smart she is, they pretend her Harvard degree is real.

Speaker 42 Those are the, she likes those folks.

Speaker 62 But if we're going to win on the women's sports issue and the women's rights issue, we're going to need the Joyre's of the world.

Speaker 33 We're going to need everybody because you still have massive insanity here in California and other states just like it.

Speaker 49 You're completely right.

Speaker 39 And I think about how I probably was a Joy Reed kind of character to people like yourself.

Speaker 121 And when I started to come around, you guys opened the door.

Speaker 62 You engaged me in conversation.

Speaker 122 You were gracious.

Speaker 117 You didn't beat me over the head and be like, you dumbass, we told you for all these years.

Speaker 49 That didn't happen.

Speaker 25 And so I would like to try and be as gracious and say thanks for contributing on this issue.

Speaker 28 So tonight in the audience is a friend of mine named Carrie Prajan Bowler.

Speaker 28 And yes, she's former beauty queen.

Speaker 54 You may remember her as Carrie Prajan.

Speaker 91 She's been married for a while now.

Speaker 45 And she and Britt Mayer would come on my show together, two Californians, when we were first launching, like 2021.

Speaker 73 This is before like I was really getting serious about this issue.

Speaker 13 And they talked about this issue in terms I was like, like, oh my God, oh, oh,

Speaker 5 they would not use preferred pronouns.

Speaker 91 You know, they were like hardcore.

Speaker 28 And we went from me being like, wow, they're tough, to me being like, oh, my God, they're my teachers.

Speaker 82 And they,

Speaker 42 same,

Speaker 52 they were that way with me.

Speaker 36 They were kind, they were gentle, but they stood up for their principles, and they were two of my mentors in pulling me along on this issue.

Speaker 47 And so I do feel the need to pay it forward to others because I think some people use it against you.

Speaker 76 Like, there was a video circulating online recently about me at NBC, like talking to kids who said they were trans and being, you know, kind and loving and supportive.

Speaker 24 I wouldn't be anything other than kind and loving to so-called trans kids, which I don't believe is a thing now, today,

Speaker 28 but I wouldn't have messaged it anywhere near the way I did on NBC.

Speaker 25 But I think we have to have room in our hearts for people who have come along on this because it used to be a minuscule number who we believe were genuinely gender confused, genuinely had dysphoria.

Speaker 57 And now we know it's a social contagion that's being exploited by people who want to make money off of sterilizing our children.

Speaker 46 That's it.

Speaker 119 It's a multi-billion dollar industry.

Speaker 25 You know who speaks brilliantly about this is actually a gentleman named Chris Moritz, who had a great episode with Tucker on this that I encourage you to watch.

Speaker 49 And he takes you all the way down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 119 And it's terrifying stuff.

Speaker 122 I could give you an example.

Speaker 28 There is something, the human rights campaign, who I, oh my god,

Speaker 122 I used to donate to.

Speaker 38 I spoke at the freaking dinners.

Speaker 122 I was at the, I was trying to get, I was fighting for gay marriage, and things have changed.

Speaker 102 And we've crossed that finish line quite some time ago, and now we're here.

Speaker 122 So, the human rights campaign has something called an HEI score.

Speaker 16 So, a health equity index score that they give to medical institutions like Johns Hopkins, for example.

Speaker 104 And if you get a bad score, if you don't provide ample gender access, gender-affirming care, and it has to be perfect, everything has to be gender-affirming care for kids, the whole thing.

Speaker 16 If you do anything wrong, if people question it, bad score.

Speaker 122 The bad score costs them in grants and donations.

Speaker 69 All of it, go to the page, H-E-I-Score,

Speaker 25 HRC's website, Pfizer, the bottom.

Speaker 49 Oh, man.

Speaker 46 All funded by Pfizer.

Speaker 49 By the way, your comment reminded me, don't you think the LGB needs to break up with the TQ?

Speaker 49 I don't really love the umbrella to begin with.

Speaker 119 You gotta remember, like, I am like a classic Gen Xer.

Speaker 107 We wanted to get rid of labels.

Speaker 117 It was supposed to be one race human, love is love.

Speaker 49 I don't know how we got here. Yeah.

Speaker 116 I'll pass on the whole acronym.

Speaker 121 Thanks.

Speaker 45 One of my audience members tonight said to me backstage, she came to the VAP, she said, I want to thank you because she's a tall, beautiful woman, but she was like, I was always an athlete, and they would have tried to trans me.

Speaker 23 And it's true.

Speaker 63 Like, they're not allowing any gender non-conformity, these lunatics on the left.

Speaker 48 And I, too, was a tomboy, and you were a tomboy.

Speaker 7 And we were.

Speaker 49 The birds did turn out to be gay.

Speaker 73 They didn't trans me.

Speaker 42 I'm straight, but they definitely would have tried to trans me because I looked like a little boy.

Speaker 56 I had little boy haircut.

Speaker 25 I only wore dirty jeans. I wanted to play in the mud.
Literally made mud pies every summer, all summer long.

Speaker 34 Like, I didn't want to dress.

Speaker 63 And

Speaker 23 look at me now.

Speaker 49 I have frills. I mean, I never wear frills.

Speaker 83 But I'm just saying, like, that's what's so sick about it, right?

Speaker 27 They've been proceeding with abandon with this bizarre social experiment that makes them rich on our children.

Speaker 48 So, I mean, that's a long way of saying,

Speaker 56 welcome, Joy Reed.

Speaker 18 All right, we got to wrap it up, Jillian. I love you so much.

Speaker 42 Thank you for everything you've done.

Speaker 71 Thank you for doing this tonight.

Speaker 71 Jillian Michaels, everyone!

Speaker 71 She's so confused.

Speaker 71 Okay,

Speaker 51 we have one more guest for you tonight.

Speaker 49 So

Speaker 28 I first was introduced to Maureen Callahan.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 38 When I read her, I read her in the New York Post and all I ever thought was, thank God she's not mad at me.

Speaker 13 And I fell in love with her writing because she just had such a way of saying exactly what you thought, but you didn't know how to say it quite in the way that she could say it.

Speaker 38 And I started putting her on the show, and at first she was a little shy, believe it or not.

Speaker 65 She actually was a little shy.

Speaker 78 She got past that real quick.

Speaker 40 And now she's literally one of our favorite people and definitely favorite guests of all time.

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Speaker 106 Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news.

Speaker 6 I now have my very own channel on Sirius XM.

Speaker 76 It's called the Megan Kelly Channel, and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies.

Speaker 109 Along with the Megan Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin, Lake Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Dushinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more.

Speaker 12 It's bold, no BS news only on the Megan Kelly channel, SiriusXM 111, and on the SiriusXM app.

Speaker 107 I am a cultural criminal prosecutor and we really are bringing to light the underbelly of celebrity culture. We're a safe space for all troublemakers.

Speaker 93 And dress like that has been taken out back and shot.

Speaker 102 Gosh, that's not the way I thought this was gonna go.

Speaker 107 All those celebrities be fouling Venice to celebrate this bullshit, in my opinion, allegedly, reportedly.

Speaker 49 And someone in the back

Speaker 107 would hand that baby over.

Speaker 16 She's the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 107 She doesn't know it's comic relief, which kind of makes it even funnier. The children of the community are the children of the community.

Speaker 49 Okay,

Speaker 107 I've been dying to talk to you about Michelle Obama's ongoing midlife meltdown, her Stegosaurus hairdos.

Speaker 49 We don't articulate our pain.

Speaker 10 We all want to know what we can

Speaker 87 do to help you.

Speaker 49 Do something.

Speaker 49 This ridiculous person. Let's go.

Speaker 107 That is a man who is fully emasculated if you ask me.

Speaker 107 Hi, you look amazing.

Speaker 49 You look even cooler.

Speaker 102 I'm doing something really generous for you. And you're going to absolutely love them.

Speaker 10 This, we're just going to put into a different bag.

Speaker 102 And then I just dumped them.

Speaker 49 Just like that.

Speaker 41 Megan.

Speaker 10 You keep saying Megan Markle, you know I'm Sussex now.

Speaker 26 It's very important to me.

Speaker 113 Sorry, sorry, sorry. It's, you know, it's a lot.

Speaker 109 I just, I can't absorb the enormity of your life. I don't even...

Speaker 102 Maybe you should put the drink down so you could pay better attention.

Speaker 107 This is a window into the tiny little brain at work.

Speaker 49 Nailed it.

Speaker 107 What they would call a basic bitch.

Speaker 49 Cheers, man.

Speaker 9 Cheers, dear.

Speaker 9 Take a space.

Speaker 87 Have you been?

Speaker 16 Have you been?

Speaker 107 She's a shitty fucking excuse for a journalist. She's no, she's no journalist, okay?

Speaker 68 The nation indeed link the world is watching.

Speaker 97 These women are under immense pressure. They are up there with Buzz Aldrin and other space travelers who have paved the way.

Speaker 49 Take us, Mae!

Speaker 98 Please don't call it a ride. That is not a friggin' ride.
There was nothing frivolous about what we did.

Speaker 98 Live

Speaker 98 and in the flesh.

Speaker 21 Hi. How amazing was that?

Speaker 12 I'm like crying.

Speaker 107 I was like, I didn't, I don't even remember saying half of that shit.

Speaker 117 You've definitely come out of your shell.

Speaker 107 I, yeah, when you said when I started coming on, I was very shy. I was so shy.
I was so,

Speaker 107 I don't know you sort of teased something out of me like I think you saw a little bit of our share like we do have a shared perverse sense of humor for sure

Speaker 107 when the when the blonde origin came on Jillian was backstage.

Speaker 49 I said, I forgot about that.

Speaker 107 Because we've done so much in so little time.

Speaker 81 So many of them.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 62 Well, it was your writing.

Speaker 23 Your writing showed me who you were. And then when you were on camera in the beginning, you had natural nerves.

Speaker 41 but it was clear to me who the person was.

Speaker 47 And if you can just get past those nerves, I knew that person would start talking to me on the TV, and that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 56 And now you're in full flower, man.

Speaker 107 It's the most fun. The nerve is the most fun, and I get to work it all out with so many of you like-minded people.
I didn't know there were so many out there.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 22 So, I mean, we might as well start with Megan Markle.

Speaker 50 She's your problem now. She lives with you.

Speaker 42 True.

Speaker 25 I should have actually, before you came on stage, said, like,

Speaker 61 the queen of mean,

Speaker 101 Maureen Callahan.

Speaker 42 And I want people to call me the

Speaker 56 monarch of media,

Speaker 114 Megan Callahan.

Speaker 42 We should not walk into any room without being announced because that's what the Duchess of Sussex would like.

Speaker 107 Well, this was, this is too, like, when I read it, I thought this can't be real.

Speaker 107 I actually read the paragraph over to make sure I it was too good that so she's she's got this journalist Who is going to visit her at this borrowed Upper East Side townhouse and It doesn't say who owns the townhouse, but they're wealthy enough to have a glass elevator not for nothing.

Speaker 82 It might be Amy Griffin Stop.

Speaker 18 It might be she has a big townhouse on the Upper East Side, the one who wrote

Speaker 38 the tell that Maureen took down. Yeah.

Speaker 76 But anyway, keep going.

Speaker 107 So

Speaker 107 the journalist shows up and knocks on the door, and some kind of house manager answers the door. And Megan is nowhere to be seen, apparently, but she's in the house somewhere.

Speaker 107 There's nobody else in the house. And then the house manager says,

Speaker 104 Megan,

Speaker 114 Duchess of Sussex!

Speaker 107 And it's so deep, it's so unhinged. It's like it's Norma Desmond on steroids.

Speaker 72 It's not even like Megan is the the one arriving.

Speaker 55 Right, you would think she would.

Speaker 49 She's already in the house.

Speaker 117 But where are we coming from?

Speaker 49 Like, the cupboard? Like.

Speaker 71 The sofa?

Speaker 107 Were we in the attic going through? You know, it's so, like, I was thinking, it would be like going to your studio. Normally, when I go there, like, Abby's there, and that's it.

Speaker 91 Yep.

Speaker 107 And you're not even there yet half the time. And it would be like her opening the door for me and going, Megan Kelly, queen of podcasting, with you nowhere to be seen.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 91 I actually pulled her Harper's Bazaar article.

Speaker 41 We talked about it the other day a little bit with Link, but I thought there was more gold to be mined here.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 73 I want to go through a couple of these quotes, okay?

Speaker 25 You pointed this out on the nerve.

Speaker 91 We didn't get to it.

Speaker 47 Has there ever been an article written about Megan Markle that did not raise the 11-year-old

Speaker 25 little Megan Markle and you know what she did Maureen.

Speaker 107 Yes, she wrote a letter to a dish detergent company. Yes.

Speaker 107 It was in a she was assailing the patriarchy.

Speaker 107 This origin story bugs me like no other because she makes it sound like it was an auto-generated act of incipient feminism and really it was a class project.

Speaker 49 Oh, it was? Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 107 It was a class project and I would like to put out an open call. Just much as at the nerve, we're looking for Stedman Graham.
I think he's buried somewhere on that estate in Montecito.

Speaker 110 We have a silver alert out for him.

Speaker 107 I would like anyone who went to school with Megan in sixth grade, like any of the boys especially who wrote that letter to, what was it, like Proctor

Speaker 49 Gramble.

Speaker 57 Yep.

Speaker 28 They managed to put that into every article about her because they want you to know how incredibly strong and brave she was even at age 11 and that winds up in this article as well.

Speaker 13 The writer says, when I ask Megan what she hopes her kids see when they see her working, she tells me, I hope they see the value of being brave.

Speaker 49 Sure.

Speaker 47 Okay, but then here's the best part.

Speaker 49 She follows it up with

Speaker 17 They saw it when the jam was just a pot on the stove bubbling.

Speaker 49 What?

Speaker 62 So she's courage courage because she boiled the jam and the children saw the jam boil, which is their inspo to be courageous.

Speaker 107 I'm going to push back a little. I want to give some credit for her bravery.

Speaker 107 We talked about this just last week on your show.

Speaker 107 I nominate this for Photo of the Year, as I said to Megan, like, you can give me images of war toward Ukraine, anything.

Speaker 107 The image of a drunken Prince Harry leering at chris jenner's rack at her 70th birthday party while megan stands there like an imbecile just beaming at chris while her loser husband is over here like oh

Speaker 49 that's some bravery she's taking courageous back this week that actually was pretty pretty

Speaker 41 courageous of her all right wait and i have one one more okay this is bizarre

Speaker 25 This is the first time I've actually brought notes out to the stage on this tour, but this is just too good.

Speaker 19 I have Maureen here, here, I have Megan Markle and Harper's.

Speaker 36 And what I have here is this: the weirdest comment about Harry.

Speaker 104 She puts her hand on her heart when she talks about her husband.

Speaker 59 Don't you all do that when you're talking about your husband?

Speaker 49 I never, I don't go anywhere with it. My D

Speaker 49 my D.

Speaker 71 That sounds weird.

Speaker 49 You're not pledging allegiance, dear D.

Speaker 49 Okay.

Speaker 42 So she says, H,

Speaker 36 he loves me so boldly, fully.

Speaker 111 And then she says, no one in the world loves me more than Harry.

Speaker 20 Now that's a strange thing. I'm sorry, but literally think about it.

Speaker 84 Just take a second to think about it.

Speaker 22 Whoever talks about their spouse that way?

Speaker 73 Like, have I,

Speaker 61 no one loves me more than Doug.

Speaker 111 Who's ranking the love in their life?

Speaker 53 And like,

Speaker 61 and the spouse is number one. He's number one.
He loves me more than anybody.

Speaker 15 Meanwhile, I don't think it's a stiff competition in Mega Marco's life.

Speaker 107 Oh, great point.

Speaker 49 Great point.

Speaker 107 It's also, it's evidence, A, that she's a terrible actress. She's, you know, it's very literal.

Speaker 107 And then she's always saying how much he loves her without ever saying how much she loves him.

Speaker 44 Yes, her narcissism.

Speaker 107 Right? It's complete narcissism. It's the same with the children.

Speaker 107 Like the writing of the letters of the emails every night to both individually before bed, which is not happening, but she says, is so that when they get older, they can see how much she loved them.

Speaker 107 And my prediction is they will both be leaving the continental United States as soon as they're of age, never to return.

Speaker 19 Totally, especially when they find out they have whole castles that are available to them.

Speaker 49 Multiple castles.

Speaker 107 Now that Andrew's out of the picture, things have loosened up even more.

Speaker 50 Hanging out with Tyler Perry.

Speaker 84 Yeah.

Speaker 19 With the King of England.

Speaker 16 Okay, so she's the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 41 Now,

Speaker 33 there are another couple of weirdos from California again, I'm sorry, that we need to get to, that you and I have not yet had the chance to discuss.

Speaker 91 And they are Ariana Grande

Speaker 90 and Cynthia Irivo, stars of Wicked.

Speaker 52 Our whole night has turned into sort of an LGBTQ theme between Moynihan moving in with one of our audience members, I couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman, and my discussion with Jillian.

Speaker 42 And now you tell me whether these two are on an LGBTQ

Speaker 61 quest

Speaker 41 because

Speaker 38 Cynthia is openly non-binary, and she,

Speaker 84 and there's no they, Cynthia, sorry, was on the cover of GQ, like the men's issue, tracks, okay.

Speaker 46 But something's going on between these two, and I don't know what it's here's a little Today, we get to do popular.

Speaker 49 Can you believe that we're doing popular?

Speaker 129 That would be so great. That joy he wanted to infuse in every frame

Speaker 23 Like he shook the arm too hard, and she had to like caress it.

Speaker 13 And then she was picking at the diamond necklace, and they've basically been all over each other.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 107 Have you seen the one of them on the red carpet where Ariana is doing an interview and she's fine? And Cynthia Rivo, she takes those long coffin nails, come in, and she starts...

Speaker 107 digging under Ariana's collar and very theatrically like moving the necklace around and it's

Speaker 107 you see these interviews with them and I if I were conducting an interview like that which I wouldn't be because it's not my trade anymore but you know I would say like should I leave I realize this is like a press tour for your movie but like it seems like you two would care to be alone I'd like to leave I'm uncomfortable They're so bizarre.

Speaker 42 And I don't know whether this is a publicity thing, Maureen.

Speaker 49 Do you think this is all public?

Speaker 69 It's kind of both.

Speaker 107 I think it's weird. I think it's like part of it is like they're getting a ton of clicks, like eyeballs or eyeballs.
It's kind of like

Speaker 107 Liam Neeson and Pam Anderson.

Speaker 36 Is that fake?

Speaker 107 That was fake. That was fake.
That was fake.

Speaker 38 I think she needs a little makeup.

Speaker 66 I agree with you. I agree with you.

Speaker 107 This is my problem with Pam Anderson. That is at least one facelift.
At least one facelift. So you can't go around going like, I'm all natural and I'm showing you how to age without

Speaker 107 makeup when you've had probably a deep plain facelift.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 28 How do you feel about the recent rejection of the body positivity movements, right?

Speaker 37 That we're no longer celebrating fat.

Speaker 19 We are admitting that thin is healthier and more attractive and makes you feel better, like Amy Schumer, who's now like at this moment scrubbing all the fat photos from her Instagram.

Speaker 31 So we can only see the newly thin Amy Schumer.

Speaker 37 Thanks a lot, say all the girls who pecked on the pounds thinking they'd be really happy like Amy Schumer and can't afford the Manjaro and the trainer and the new clothing and the chef and all the things Amy Schumer can have.

Speaker 107 Well, you know, Amy's husband is a chef.

Speaker 49 That worked out.

Speaker 107 So I have several theories about Amy Schumer and the whole body positivity, like the abandonment of it. So she has scrubbed all but four photos from Instagram.

Speaker 107 And she's currently engaged in conducting private photo shoots at someone's house where she's doing the broken doll poses, which is like what the super skinny moms do.

Speaker 107 And her kid is like basically in all manner of like life-threatening positions. And she's just like, but I'm skinny.
I'm skinny. Look at me.

Speaker 107 I also think that, so she made a huge deal about her husband being autistic.

Speaker 107 Did you know this?

Speaker 73 Her husband's autistic?

Speaker 49 No. He's just an asshole.

Speaker 107 But that was her very tortured explanation for why she was with this guy for years who she would say, do I look good? And he would say, no.

Speaker 107 Well, he's autistic. He's on the spectrum, Megan.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 88 That explains it.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 47 I'm a little over the body positivity thing, I have to say, the fake body positivity, because that's what we're realizing.

Speaker 48 It was all fake.

Speaker 19 They never believed it.

Speaker 42 All they really wanted was Ozempic.

Speaker 37 As soon as it was available, they all ran on it.

Speaker 53 And now, I mean, at least she admits it.

Speaker 19 I think, you know, a lot of these people want you to believe, like, the Jennifer Anniston, it's just water.

Speaker 49 It's just water. I just drink a lot of water.

Speaker 46 That's it.

Speaker 107 Lizzo was the same way.

Speaker 49 Lizzo. Oh.

Speaker 107 You know, who was like very, it was almost a militant stance, and now she's lost half her body weight too.

Speaker 41 Totally. What about all the fat people they left behind?

Speaker 107 Where's Oprah in this fight? Where is Oprah? Well,

Speaker 107 fresh dirt on Studman's grave in Montecito. That's where she is.

Speaker 31 I think we know where she is.

Speaker 13 Now, I've seen you taking aim lately at Sarah Jessica Parker.

Speaker 110 Indeed.

Speaker 19 And not only for her terrible program, Sex in the City Reboot.

Speaker 49 Indeed.

Speaker 26 But you've got some questions about whether she's authentic, Maureen, and whether she does things like actually wears the beat's heads bones on the subway in New York.

Speaker 32 You thought that might be, as the kids say, inauthentic.

Speaker 15 Inauthentic. Here she is.

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah. There she is.

Speaker 43 She's just stars. They're just like us.

Speaker 42 They ride the subway.

Speaker 42 Yeah, sure, this is totally authentic.

Speaker 107 Look, she thinks she's so cool. She's just hanging out down in Stonewall.
That's no accident. Because she's an ally, Megan.

Speaker 49 Oh, yeah. Okay, Stonewall.

Speaker 49 You're right.

Speaker 107 She's in like 80 pounds of hair extensions. jewelry that none of us would ever openly wear on the subway.
Right. With our nose in a book and huge beat.

Speaker 107 Like, I will never blame a victim, but you are asking for it. You are telegraphing to the nearest mentally ill homeless person.
I would love it if you would shove me on the tracks. Victim

Speaker 49 to be really authentic.

Speaker 16 Why do we dislike Sarah Jessica Parker?

Speaker 107 I think I find her extremely saccharine and sweet and like overly girlish. And if you really think about her voice, you know, it's a biological fact that as we age, our voices get deeper.

Speaker 107 Men or women.

Speaker 49 She's always like this.

Speaker 107 She's like 60, and it's not like she's baby Jane. She is just wearing 80 pounds of hair extensions and running down cobblestones in New York in six inch heels.

Speaker 107 We're not worried about breaking an ankle, let alone. That's why I call her my favorite sprightly 900-year-old heroine.

Speaker 57 No one's as bad as Jamie Kern Lima on the high voice.

Speaker 38 You know that one who interviewed Megan Markle?

Speaker 42 And she came up with it cosmetics, IT cosmetics.

Speaker 47 Yeah.

Speaker 70 Made a bunch of, but she's, her voice has gone standalone.

Speaker 73 I can't even do it. Mine's too low.

Speaker 5 It's so annoying.

Speaker 107 It's like Helium, like you suck a bunch of, it's like, oh yeah.

Speaker 49 Yes. The power of yet.

Speaker 81 It's my friend, Megan Markle.

Speaker 107 Megan, don't you? And you know Megan like fucking hates her, right? She's like, she's a billionaire. She's up in Montecito.
She's got like next to no friends. This woman has a podcast.

Speaker 107 She's a ton of money. So, you know.

Speaker 13 There's no one less happy than Michelle Obama.

Speaker 25 Have you been stunned?

Speaker 13 We really haven't had a chance to talk about her racism.

Speaker 96 We've talked about her misery

Speaker 27 and her hatred for Barack.

Speaker 49 That's obvious.

Speaker 61 But the racism was kind of a new strain that she decided to let loose just in time for her book tour.

Speaker 27 It's a weird way to market a book.

Speaker 53 I hate whites.

Speaker 49 Maybe she doesn't market for that.

Speaker 110 She put like a fresh top spin on that old hoary baseball.

Speaker 107 Now we've got racism coming our way. It's exciting.
It's exciting, right?

Speaker 49 It is kind of exciting.

Speaker 50 I'm not going to lie, whenever I see she's done a new interview, I'm like, play, play, play, play, play.

Speaker 42 It is exciting.

Speaker 17 What do you think that is? Just non-stop grievance.

Speaker 61 Like, it's misery.

Speaker 38 It really kind of does go under the general theme of misery.

Speaker 56 Doesn't have a nice thing to say about the country, the husband, motherhood, being first lady, living in the White House, or whites.

Speaker 107 I do have a theory. So, and I think this is a tether between Megan Markle and Michelle Obama.

Speaker 107 It makes them special, and it makes them seem serious. Like, they're not really deep intellects.
They're not original thinkers. They're not funny.

Speaker 18 Maureen, she went to Princeton.

Speaker 107 We've talked about the thesis, right?

Speaker 76 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 19 And we've talked about the affirmative action.

Speaker 107 Yeah.

Speaker 107 And like Christopher Hitchens, the late, great Christopher Hitchens, found that thesis, and it was very controversial because this was when the Obamas were first aborning and everybody was falling in love with them.

Speaker 73 And he said... Not according to her.

Speaker 107 Not according to her, not according to her revisionist history. And he said he read that thesis and it was nothing resembling the English language.
He couldn't make heads or tails of it.

Speaker 107 And I believe I found the same thesis and he was dead on. Like it makes zero sense.

Speaker 107 So I don't know how you can be granted entree to an Ivy League, lesser competitive, no offense to anyone who went to Princeton,

Speaker 107 and then become the first black first lady and then say America is super racist except for those two times they overwhelmingly and enthusiastically voted your husband into office and the likes of Brad Pitt and Oprah were crying in Chicago's park.

Speaker 28 And put you on the magazine covers and made you personally rich and talked about you being the answer to Democrat politics and possibly the next presidential candidate.

Speaker 53 I think we can all agree that ship has sailed, don't you think?

Speaker 50 She's ruined her own brand.

Speaker 43 I think that's probably true. All right, now wait.

Speaker 48 In the time we have left, I want to talk about you.

Speaker 91 You, madam.

Speaker 49 All right.

Speaker 90 How did you get this way?

Speaker 107 Oh, I'm the product of a difficult home.

Speaker 107 And so, like, you learn how to read a room very, very quickly. Like, by the time I was eight, I likened myself to at the level of like a top FBI criminal profiler.

Speaker 107 Like, I can tell, get out, get out of the room, it's about to blow up.

Speaker 75 Very useful.

Speaker 107 And I also just,

Speaker 107 the people I've always really admired the most, but like in a fun way, like just drawn to them, very compelling,

Speaker 107 were always the people who would say say the thing everyone was thinking, but was too afraid to say because you think like no one else can be thinking this way, right?

Speaker 107 Like people, but like the George Carlins of the world, the Joan Rivers of the world.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 107 You're in that category. You say what you think, and you know, you catch a lot of flacks sometimes, but you don't care.

Speaker 49 No, I don't.

Speaker 107 And that's like a superpower.

Speaker 50 It's so liberating.

Speaker 49 It really is.

Speaker 42 And you know, I have noticed because I've only been doing it for, you know, a few years because when I was on Fox, I didn't really I wasn't really in the opinion giving business I was much more of a hard news person but the more you do it the easier it gets you know that's something for everybody to know the more you do it the easier it gets and it is liberating like the shirts red free free free it is liberating to say what's real you know and you can only do it with practice anyway you do it but you also do it with humor so is there is it just the Irish thing how did how did you become so funny well that's thank you I mean both of my parents were very funny people.

Speaker 107 It's definitely part Irish. It's definitely part,

Speaker 107 I think, to me, the funniest thing,

Speaker 107 the biggest powers in if you can laugh at somebody or something instead of giving in to them just making you angry or bitter. Like, if you can see the lunacy or the...

Speaker 107 just how utter like Megan Markle is such a perfect like our with love Megan like that thing wrote itself because she makes us all crazy and we all fucking hate her and want her to go away and she'll never go away.

Speaker 107 So let's laugh at her.

Speaker 49 Let's just, yeah.

Speaker 42 People wrote in saying, how did you guys learn your lines?

Speaker 49 Like they were just a scrap.

Speaker 17 We had no lines.

Speaker 50 We just were in character.

Speaker 66 And it was very easy.

Speaker 16 If you watch her for two minutes, you know exactly how to play her.

Speaker 18 And also her submissive, terrified friends.

Speaker 107 Oh, Daniel. Daniel was, I would like, if I ever win an award for acting, which now we're in the acting world, you and I, could happen.
Astronauts, acting, what have you, I would like, we've been.

Speaker 107 Yeah, we do it all. I would like to thank Daniel.
He was my inspiration. I studied him for hours and hours.

Speaker 28 You know, she has, we're being very tough on her, but she has a Christmas special coming up, Maureen.

Speaker 19 I'm sure you're going to be getting your holiday decorating tips from it.

Speaker 35 Do we feel this is a resurgence in her popularity here domestically?

Speaker 49 Well, I don't know.

Speaker 107 I don't know if you've seen the images of her, the reels of her skipping jauntily through her orchard. Yes, yes.
Where she kind of looks like,

Speaker 107 to me, it looks like an alien

Speaker 107 soul has taken control of a human body, but the soul doesn't know how a human body works.

Speaker 49 So she's kind of like, this, like, how do you, ya hop, right? That's a hop. I'm happy.

Speaker 107 And then the entire tableau in the house is like beige upon taupe upon grace.

Speaker 49 It's very choiceful.

Speaker 70 Even for Christmas, she has beige Christmas decorations.

Speaker 77 Who the hell wants beige Christmas decorations?

Speaker 107 I think she thinks it's classy. Like, you know.

Speaker 16 So you don't, you know, she's getting back into acting.

Speaker 13 Do we think there's a future there?

Speaker 107 I just think if she were a better actress, we'd all not be on to her by now. She thinks she's still pulling one over on us.
Yes.

Speaker 73 Right?

Speaker 47 Yes, exactly right.

Speaker 14 So finally,

Speaker 44 politics.

Speaker 22 Yeah. You don't go there that often.

Speaker 25 You write about it in the Daily Mail sometimes.

Speaker 5 You don't go there that often on the nerve.

Speaker 24 How do you like the chances of the Republican Party in holding on to power going into the next presidential election?

Speaker 41 What's your take on it?

Speaker 107 I don't know.

Speaker 107 I think it's really too early to tell. I think what just happened in New York especially is such a bellwether.

Speaker 107 Not just because, you know, New York City, yes, it's liberal, but I really think it was a kind of a rebuke to, like, hey, we just want change agents. We just want change.

Speaker 107 We can't afford to go to the grocery store still. Donald Trump said he was going to fix it.
He didn't fix it.

Speaker 107 Like, we don't have the leisure of another year or two going by to tell us that as AI is a boring and tariffs have still impacted prices that like we just have to gut it out week after week.

Speaker 107 And I think that's why. And I also tend, I try not to get into politics too much because I'm very cynical about sort of of both sides.
I just think it's such

Speaker 107 the things that you have to do and the compromises you have to make, and I'm inherently suspicious of anybody who wants that amount of power. I just think it's healthy to be, you know?

Speaker 38 I'll tell you what, I'm going to make an announcement.

Speaker 49 Are you? Okay.

Speaker 28 I know who I'm rooting for in 2028, and it's not JD Vance.

Speaker 47 Who? It's Katie Porter.

Speaker 49 Yes. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 49 Oh, that would be amazing.

Speaker 63 How fun would that be?

Speaker 62 I mean, the country would burn, but it would be so fun watching her along the way.

Speaker 87 Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 48 And I think those have to be my parting words because we're over time.

Speaker 117 Maureen, I love you.

Speaker 49 I love you for all the laughs and all the fun.

Speaker 13 To be continued.

Speaker 49 And I love all of you, Anaheim. Thank you for coming and spending your night with us.

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