Hacking Dopamine & Simple Ways to Improve Your Brain Health

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Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to a mind-altering episode of the Mel Robbins Podcast. Today, I'm going to introduce you to someone who has had a profound impact on my life, on my husband's life.
Who am I talking about? His name is Dr. Daniel Amen.
He is one of the world's leading experts on the brain. He is a psychiatrist and brain disorder specialist, and his 10 brain clinics around the world treat over 4,000 patients a month, including treating more than 100 former NFL players with concussion trauma.
And I not only love this guy because of the difference he's made in my life, I love him because he is so focused on teaching us all how to improve the physical health of our brains through very simple, accessible, often free little changes that you can do that based on his research can change and improve the health of your physical brain. And what I learned from Dr.
Amen is that when you start to improve the

physical health and the structure of your brain, when you learn how to increase blood flow and take

better care of your brain, it improves your mental health, it impacts your happiness, your energy,

your vitality, all of it. And so I'm going to tell you the difference that he made in my life.

I first met Dr. Amen because he has these clinics all over the world.
And I went to one and I got a brain scan and it really revealed on a physical level, all kinds of things about the type of ADHD that I struggle with. And when I went over the brain scans with Dr.
Amen, he explained to me that one of the reasons why I respond so profoundly to medication is because the medication, when working correctly for somebody like me, it shows in the brain scan how certain parts of my brain light up, how blood flow increases. I learned so much about my old coping behaviors.
It was like, it was almost like somebody had pulled back the curtain and explained so much simply based on the physical structure of my brain. He was even able to show me a part of the brain where I have damage from a car accident that I experienced when I was little.
And he told me simple things that I could do to even start to heal that part of my brain. And so you're going to learn today, even if you don't get a brain scan, I'm going to give you all kinds of tools and tactics.
You're going to learn simple things you can do in order to improve the health and structure of your brain to actually heal it. And what happened next is he said, you know, I would love to scan your husband's brain.
And at this point in time, it had become very clear that my husband, Chris, who's very stoic, he's a very centered, mindful guy, but he was really struggling. He just seemed down and sad.
And so we go and we see Dr. Amen, and they scan Chris's brain.
And when we went over the results of Chris's scan, it was one of those medical conversations that is very sobering. Because Dr.
Amen looked at the two of us over a Zoom call and said,

normally when I see a brain that physically looks like this, it's on an autopsy. And he not only pointed out that Chris had had lots of concussion damage due to being a ski racer growing up, But he also pointed out that Chris was clearly struggling with dysthymia, which I had never heard of that term, but it's a term that they use to describe long-term treatment-resistant depression.
He also pointed out that there was damage based on addiction. And it was Dr.
Amon's diagnosis that made Chris truly accept the fact that he wasn't just sad, he wasn't weak, he was dealing with depression. It's what led him to go see a psychiatrist.
It would let him to lose the shame and the stigma associated with seeking treatment and to take an antidepressant. And using simple protocol from Dr.
Amen, over the course of a year, Chris has not only improved the structure of his brain and the simple habits that you're going to learn today are the simple things that Chris did. And you can do them too.
After a year of taking medication, Chris is now no longer on an antidepressant. He doesn't drink.
He doesn't smoke weed daily. His physical brain has changed.
I feel like I have the guy that I met 27 years ago back. like it's this this is really big stuff, you guys.
And, you know, I think a lot when it comes to mental health, we think about your thoughts and we think about your nervous system. But Dr.
Amen is the first person that made me really stop and think, oh, I've never really thought about the physical health of my brain. Never really thought about the fact that if I increase blood flow up there, it's going to make a big difference.

I never really thought about the fact that you could heal your brain.

And that's what Dr. Amen's mission is.

To teach all of us how to take better care of our brains. To teach all of us simple daily habits that you can use to heal damage that's been done by life.

And it's a great deal. to teach all of us how to take better care of our brains, to teach all of us simple daily habits that you can use to heal damage that's been done by life,

and to teach you how to be smarter

about your health overall

by focusing on that, I don't even know what it is.

I always think about the brain

like a giant bowl of macaroni

because that's what it looks like, but to get serious about it. And you don't need to go to his clinic.
You don't need to spend a lot of money because he is going to give you things you can do today, things that I do, things that Chris does, and things that people around the world are doing to heal their brains and to become happier human beings. And so I am so excited for you to hear Dr.
Amen today. I mean, this dude is a double board certified psychiatrist.
I don't even know what a double board certified psychiatrist is, but it sounds like he's got a lot of degrees and a lot of education. And more importantly, he is on a mission.
He's on a mission to help end mental illness by creating a revolution in brain health that is accessible to you and me. He is the author of 12, did you hear that? 12 New York Times bestselling books, including a new book called Change Your Brain Every Day that's going to be released in 2023.
He has clinics around the world that see over 4,000 patients a month, and he is constantly sharing video content for free all over social media. I mean, this guy is 68 years old.
He's bald. He wears a lab coat, and he is going viral almost every single week on TikTok because of the video content that he shares online about ADHD, depression, brain health.
This guy is a genius. And today he's your doctor.
He is joining us to help you learn simple ways to improve the health of your brain. That yes, you can boost your mood.
You can increase dopamine and serotonin. You can lower cortisol levels, all of which make you happier and healthier human being.
And so without further ado, please meet my friend and a complete brainiac, Dr. Daniel Amen.
Thank you so much for being with us. Well, I love being with you.
So thank you for having me. Oh, you're the best.
You know, one of the reasons why I love you is you have been a expert on the brain and a psychiatrist for 40 years, and you do not focus on what's wrong with us. You literally teach us how to bring out more awesomeness through brain health.
You call it elite brain training. What is that? Well, a long time ago, I realized I hated the term mental illness.
It shames people. It's stigmatizing.
And it's wrong. There are brain health issues.
And if I can teach you to get your brain healthy, well, your mind is better. People often don't understand that.
Your brain, physical functioning of your brain creates your mind. Everybody wants to be better.
Nobody wants to be told they're mental. And so the mission I have on the planet is to end the whole concept of mental illness and create this revolution in brain health, which is why I'm so grateful to hang out with you today.
Oh, I wasn't planning on asking you this,

but I just was struck by the fact that you distinguished between the brain and the mind. What's the difference between your brain and your mind? Well, your brain, the physical functioning of your brain creates your mind.
And people get this mixed up all the time, but you just have to think of someone who has Alzheimer's disease. And if you saw the scans of people with Alzheimer's disease, you see that they're wildly damaged.
And then that person is no longer fully that person because their brain has been damaged. People really need to know if you want a healthy mind, the first thing to have is a healthy brain.
And so are you saying that absolutely anybody can improve the physical health of their brain and that will have an impact on your happiness, your performance, and your mental health? Everything. And it happens quickly.
So for example, if you get better sleep tonight, your mind will be better tomorrow. If you get drunk tonight, your mind's going to be worse tomorrow.
And because those both have a direct impact on the physical functioning of your brain. Wow.
Like, you know, it's interesting because you're right. There is so much information and so many conversations out there about mental health.
But you have this revolutionary approach of teaching all of us how to take better care of our brain and how to improve our brain itself and how that has a direct impact. So I want to start at the very beginning because you've been doing this for 40 years.

You are, in my opinion, the world's leading expert on the brain. And can you give us just a 101 on the brain and what you want anybody and everybody to know about the brain.
And I want you to speak directly, Dr. Amen, to somebody who may be listening, who's never thought about this topic before.
So your brain is involved in everything you do, how you think, how you feel, how you act, how you get along with other people. It's the organ of intelligence, character, and every single decision you make.
And when your brain works right, you work right. And when your brain is troubled for whatever reason, you're sadder, sicker, poorer, because your decisions aren't as good.
Today, I'm in Miami, but I usually live in Newport Beach, where we have more plastic surgeons than almost anywhere in the world, because people care more about their faces, their breasts, their bellies, and their butts than they do their brain. And that's insane, because's your brain that makes you attractive.
It's your brain that makes you happy. It's your brain that keeps you purposeful.
Or it's your brain that is the organ of rage. And so getting your brain right is critical.
And it's these three steps. Brain envy, got to care.
Avoid anything that hurts it. Know the list.
And quite frankly, most second graders would get a 90% if you gave them 100 things that hurt their brain. And then the third thing is regularly do things that help it.
And I worked with BJ Fogg for six months. He runs a persuasive tech lab at Stanford on how people change.
And we develop tiny habits. You know, what's the smallest thing you can do today that will make the biggest difference?

And the mother tiny habit is whenever you go to do something today, ask yourself, takes three seconds, ask yourself, is this good for my brain or bad for it? And if you can answer that with information and love, love of yourself, love of your family, love of your mission. You're going to just start making better decisions because you care about the organ that makes you, you.
Wow. All right.
Let me unpack this. So number one, brain envy is this idea of actually caring about the health of your brain.
And so do you recommend that you have somebody in mind that you envy? Like clearly I envy you because you take incredible care of your brain. But is it just this concept that you just actually have to wake up and realize that what's in between your ears is the most important aspect of your health and wellness period.
Is that what you're saying? Yes. And number two, you then said that there are these micro habits that you have developed.
What are three micro habits that have the biggest impact on the health of your brain other than asking yourself, is this good or bad for my brain?

So I start every day with today is going to be a great day. Because once you get the physical functioning of your brain healthy, you then have to program it.
So I start every day. So why is

today going to be a great day for you? Directing your mind, it puts your brain in a positive state. And then my favorite of all the habits I do is when I go to bed at night, I say a prayer and then I go, what went well today? And I go on a treasure hunt.
And I actually start from the very moment I woke up looking for what was right about the day. And I've done this now seven or eight years.
And even the night my dad died about two and a half years ago, and it was an awful, awful day. I did it because it was my habit, right? The brain is lazy.
It does what you nudge it to do. And so it really helped me even in a really hard time.
But it's almost my favorite time of the day because like you, I'm busy and great things will happen and I'll just not really focus on it. Let's take a short pause to hear from our sponsors and we'll be right back with Dr.
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Restrictions apply. Okay, so Dr.
Raymond, is there one supplement that you believe everybody should take for better brain health? Well, a couple, multiple vitamin, a really high quality multiple vitamin. I make one called NeuroBite Plus.
Brand new study showed people with memory problems who were headed to darkness when they took a high quality multiple vitamin within a matter of months, their memory was better. What? Wait a minute.
Hold on a second. So you're saying that a high quality multivitamin can not only improve your memory, but if you're sliding on a slippery slope toward memory loss, research shows that it can actually bring memory back? Yes.
Brand new research just came out. They're actually comparing it to placebo and cocoa extract, chocolate.
And they were hoping the chocolate would do it. It wasn't the chocolate, it was the multiple vitamin.
Now, I never make a disease claim with supplements, but if this level of B6, B12, and folate did that. Wow.
I'm going to start popping it like candy is what I'm going to do. That's incredible.
So a multivitamin has a huge impact.

I hear a lot about fish oil too.

Omega-3 fatty acids have been found to be good for your heart, good for your brain, good for your hair, good for your skin, good for your eyes. Why is it good for the brain? um 25 percent of the nerve cell membranes in your brain are made up of omega-3 fatty acids so if you're

deficient your brain is not going to work as fast and efficiently as it could and low levels have

been associated with all sorts of bad things from depression to dementia to adhd

Thank you. It could.
And low levels have been associated with all sorts of bad things from depression to dementia to ADHD. I'm going to sprint out of this interview.
Go get this, these, these supplements. I mean, I've been really, I'm, I'm sort of embarrassed because we've got a brain that I clearly envy here in Dr.
Amen. And I feel like I am really dropping the ball here on my own brain.
And so I'm going to report back the next time we have you on about how I feel really religiously taking a multivitamin and my fish oil. I promise Dr.
Amen. I want to go into some of the other, I guess, chemicals that you hear associated with the brain.
And have you explained to us what they are and why they're important for happiness, for brain health? Let's talk about serotonin. What is it and why is it important? Serotonin is hugely important for many different functions in the brain, but for happiness, for flexibility and respect and respect the ones that fools people.
But when your serotonin levels are low, you more easily feel disrespected. And if you have a social fight or you feel diminished in some way, your serotonin levels drop.
And when serotonin levels go low, people tend to worry.

They get stuck on negative thoughts, negative behaviors. They tend to be argumentative and oppositional.
And if things don't go their way, they get upset, which on the surface can appear selfish. But it's really not selfish.
It's rigid. and boosting serotonin with like bright light therapy, which is why it's so important to get sunshine and wild.
you know, as we go into the holidays, time change happens just at the wrong time, right?

As we get less sunlight and it gets colder outside, we just, you know, then got a bomb dropped on us. Like all of a sudden you lose an hour a day of light.
And light is so important. Let me back us up a second.
So does your brain create serotonin? Is that like, what is the function of serotonin in the brain?

So your gut makes about 90% of the serotonin in your body, but it doesn't go directly into your brain.

Your brain creates serotonin from the amino acid precursor called tryptophan.

And that's why often eating tryptophan-rich foods- Like turkey. Can be helpful.
You have to eat tryptophan-rich foods with a carbohydrate because you need an insulin response to drive tryptophan into the brain. So turkey and sweet potatoes together is a great combination to boost your mood.
So when you have high levels of serotonin, how does that impact you? We tend to be happy. You're a little bit less motivated.
You sort of don't care that much. I remember when Prozac first came on to the market and, you know, I would give it to some of my depressed patients and they would say they would be less depressed, but also less motivated because as tryptophan goes up, dopamine, another chemical we should talk about, goes down.
They have this sort of counterbalancing effect. So a lot of people who take SSRIs, they go, well, I'm happier, but I don't really care that much.
So is serotonin sort of the happiness one and dopamine is the motivation and drive one? Is that their relationship? Dopamine is the molecule of more. It's when you get dopamine, you go, oh, I like that.
And the problem is the more you get, the more you want, and then it turns into trouble. We are wearing out our dopamine centers in the brain and our society with our phones and social media and the nonstop video games and texting.
We're being thrilled to death, which ultimately wears out the pleasure centers in the brain. So you have to be very careful.
I often talk to people about drip dopamine, don't dump it. What does that mean? Drip dopamine, don't dump it.
So you want little tiny piece, you know, little tiny bursts of dopamine, not a big splash. So for example, cocaine, big splash of dopamine and you go, whoa.
But the problem is you have none left and then you get depressed, which you then start using. Alcohol is the same way.
Alcohol dumps dopamine. Nicotine, vaping dumps dopamine Dopamine, nicotine, vaping, dumps.
Dopamine, scary movies, dump dopamine, falling in love, dumps. Dopamine, you want to drip it.
So would an example of dripping dopamine include the two micro habits you talked about? One being waking up in the morning and saying, I'm going to make it a great day. How am I going to do that?

And also at the end of the day, going on that treasure hunt for what went right? Yes. Excellent.
How can you tell if you have low dopamine? If you're tired, if you're sad, and you just don't have the motivation to get done what you want to get done. But the good news is even if you've been bad to your brain, by doing the right things, your brain, you know, we call it neuroplastic, it can be better even in a matter of months.
Wow. We've talked about supplements.
We've talked about some micro habits. What are simple ways to increase dopamine? Cold showers will do it.
So I just took a shower before I did it. And I always finish with like two minutes.
I turn all the way cold because cold therapy has been shown to increase both norepinephrine, another neurotransmitter, and dopamine. Any like certain times of day where your dopamine is higher or lower just naturally? In the morning.
And is the same true as serotonin? In the evening. Okay.
So to explain that to us and then how we can use something natural to boost it. Everybody's circadian rhythm or the rhythm of their energy is different.
There are morning larks and night owls. And you sort of have to know what you are.
A lot of my ADD patients are night owls and society is sort of biased against them, you know, because school starts early, work starts early for a lot of people. But you just have to know your rhythm and if your dopamine is high in the morning, that's when you want to focus and get work done.
If it tends to be higher later in the day, know your rhythm. I'm like slightly overwhelmed.
I don't even know where to start in terms of like how to boost my serotonin naturally, how to boost my dopamine naturally. So are there certain things you should do first thing in the morning to keep your dopamine levels high, to stay focused, to promote your brain health? So one thing I really like is morning bright light.
Okay. Morning bright light therapy.
And you can actually get these therapy lamps, 10,000 lux. So it's bright.
Okay. Put it, don't look at it.
Put it like an arm's length away from you for 20 or 30 minutes in the morning. Super simple, can significantly improve dopamine, your energy, mood, and cognitive function.
Exercise. Whether you want to increase serotonin or dopamine, it does both.
Walk like you're light for 45 minutes, four or five times a week. Super simple, bright light exercise.
Just incredibly helpful. I just turned 68 this year year and it's very clear to me that the stronger you are as you age the less likely you are to get alzheimer's disease but it's really for older people it's frailty that kills them almost more than anything else.
So light, exercise, simple supplements, and now you can eat in certain ways to boost the neurotransmitters in your brain. So when you say frailty and strength, are you also recommending, in addition to the 30 to 40 minutes of walking

as if you're late three or four times a week, that you also add in strength training?

You bet. I think it's absolutely critical for men and for women.
Your muscles are your protein

reserve. You've probably seen one person gets into a car accident and they come

out of it just fine. Another one's permanently damaged.
Same accident. Why? Because it's the level of brain health or brain reserve they brought into the accident that often determines the outcome.
So every single day of your life, from my perspective, every single day of your life, you should be boosting your brain reserve. Well, that's what I find to be so inspiring and empowering about your work, your research, your message, Dr.
Amen, and all the content that, you know,

goes crazy viral on TikTok. You are very clear that there are simple things that we can do to train our brains, to make our brains healthier, and that has an enormous impact on the quality of our lives.
And so it's not too late for anybody listening to improve their brain health doing these simple things.

Can we talk quickly about cortisol, like what it is, why it matters to kind of understand what it is when it comes to your brain health? So cortisol is critical. It's made by your adrenal glands, and it helps us manage stress and deal with inflammation.

When it's high because of chronic stress, chronic negativity, that it actually puts fat on your belly and shrinks your hippocampus, the major memory center in your brain. Dr.
Raymond, hold that thought. We're going to take a short break.
And when we come back, we're going to dig right back into it. What's up, podcast listeners? It's Tanks, host of the It's Me Tanks podcast.
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Terms and conditions apply. Okay, so Dr.
Raymond, what are three things you can do to start to bring down those cortisol levels? Meditation, incredibly helpful. Prayer for people who do that.
Hypnosis, I'm a huge fan. i've done it with my patients for the last 40 years having a regular relaxation process and then ask yourself is this worth killing brain cells for me you know whenever i listen to people arguing or really focused on, you know, whatever

the latest conspiracy theory is, I'm like, is this worth killing? Brain cells for me. No, it's not.
I know you have a specific breathing pattern that is associated with a calmer mind. Can you teach it to us?

I love it so much. It's the 15 second breath.
So if you're having a panic attack, this is going to fix it in two minutes or less. And what researchers discovered is you take twice as long to breathe out as you breathe in it produces an automatic relaxation response in your body so the pattern is this and um it's four seconds in okay hold it for a second and a half eight seconds out hold it for a second and a half.
Eight seconds out.

Hold it for a second and a half.

Will you walk us through it?

So, four seconds in.

Hold it.

Eight seconds out. Hold it out.
and then repeat so let the energy of breathing go lower in your body and if you just practice this on a regular basis cortisol will go down and you're just going to get flooded with a feeling of calmness and relaxation. Now you got to practice.
You have to create a pathway in your brain of relaxation. Why does this 15 second breath work? Because it stimulates, encourages your brain to go into a parasympathetic state.
So there's a difference between stress, what scientists call sympathetic state, has nothing to do with sympathy. it's a bad word but a sympathetic stay is where I was on the beach at Corona Del Mar walking my dog and I saw two pit bulls running toward me.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Right. So my heart went fast.
I mean, it was panic and ended up turning out OK.

What happened now? I'm on the edge of my seat. Did you pick up your dog?

Did they just jump up?

No, he's a big white shepherd.

Oh, I got bit. He ended up in the ocean.

Yeah, it was sort of a disaster. I still get triggered sometimes.

It's critical to eliminate trauma because I love walking on that beach so much. So I actually did a session of EMDR.
I don't know if you've talked about EMDR. It's specific psychological treatment for trauma.
It's actually really cool. You're right.
It is really cool. So I have been doing EMDR for the past two years as part of my work with my therapist on a whole host of issues.
And in particular, EMDR, you guys, it is super helpful, or at least it has been, for addressing childhood drama. And so what it is, because it's a big, long name that I can't even remember what EMDR stands for, but here's what you basically do.
You're with a therapist and you revisit something from your past. It's super triggering.
And as you do that, you then stare at this ball moving back and forth on the computer screen. And I have no clue why this actually works, but I do know it has helped me a lot.
And it's so powerful and super cool that I want you to know more about it. And so we're just going to do another episode on it.
That's what we're going to do. But in the meantime, Dr.
Eamon, I have another question and it's this, how do you calm a really busy brain? So the first simple thing to do is the diaphragmatic breathing, the breathing pattern that we just talked about. The second thing that we haven't talked about, but so important is to direct your thoughts.
I was 28 years old before I learned I didn't have to believe every stupid thing I thought. And I'm in class when I was a psychiatric resident at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center and I heard my professor say that and I'm like, no way.
Because my mind would torture me. You know, I'm one of seven children.

I was pretty much irrelevant.

I have, you know, five sisters.

There's a lot of chaos in my family.

And my mind would torture me.

And if you start writing down your negative thoughts

and just ask yourself whether or not they're true. And there's a whole process I teach my patients.
I need to be the director of my mind rather than my ancestors directed or the voices of my parents directed or the news or, you know, the gossip at work. I need to be the director.
I want to be happy, connected, purposeful. I often go, well, does this thought fit? Me being happy, connected, and purposeful.
And, you know, Mel, just because you have a thought

has nothing to do with whether or not it's true or whether or not it's helpful. You know, everybody has crazy thoughts.
Jerry Seinfeld once said the brain is a sneaky organ. All of us have weird, crazy, stupid, sexual, violent thoughts that nobody should ever hear.
And just because you have a thought, it doesn't say one thing about you. It's just sort of, you know, like the weather.
It's not the thoughts you have that make you suffer. It's the thoughts you attach to that make you suffer.
I want to ask you a question because I want you to talk to the person that has never considered that they could direct their thoughts or that the things that they think aren't necessarily true. If there's a person hearing this, just like you were 28 years old, sitting in a class when it first entered your mind, other than taking out a notebook and just start to write down the things that are popping in your mind, is there some other way to help someone kick the door open? Because this is a revolutionary and life-changing concept when somebody first entertains the notion, Dr.
Amen, that you can direct what you're thinking about and you can dismiss some of the crap that you torture yourself with as untrue. How do you begin this mental training and reprogramming? So I don't have any tattoos, but if I got one, one of the first tattoos I would get is, is it true? It's just start carrying that question around in your head.
And so when you get a thought, my wife never listens to me. I've had that thought.
If you have that question, then you don't automatically have to attach to it. You can talk back to it.
We don't have to believe the nonsense that's going on in our head to sort of begin to think about it like the weather and then go, does this thought serve me? Does it help me? Is it even true? And it's so often the lies we tell ourselves that keep us overweight, depressed, and feeble-minded. Yeah, I can give everybody an example from my own life.
When I was super sick, I started to tell myself this story that my husband Chris was mad at me, that he was annoyed that he was taking care of me. I was telling myself this story that people were mad that I had to cancel things.
And all of those thoughts made me feel terrible and none of them were true.

And so you're right.

I didn't interrupt them last week.

I just sort of marinated in them.

But I'm realizing sitting here listening to you that I allowed those negative thoughts

that were not even true to make me feel bad.

What advice do you have for people who are chronically tired, Dr. Amen?

Well, the first thing is get your thyroid checked. Get your thyroid checked.
Okay. Chronic tiredness can go with low thyroid.
It can go with you being anemic. It can go with you having low iron.
So, you know, I always think of people in four big circles, biological, psychological social and, and spiritual. And so I'm always going to, so what's the biology of tiredness? Okay.
You know, got an infection. How's your gut health? What's going on in your hormones? You can also be chronically tired because you're filled with automatic negative thoughts.
So that negativity can drive higher cortisol production and you just feel wiped out. You also might not be sleeping well and getting checked for sleep apnea is critical because that goes with chronic tiredness.
So if you start loudly, if you stop breathing at you stop breathing at night chronically tired during the day you should get sleep apnea checked if you're in a conflict with a loved one that so drains your energy or if you're holding on to hurt some huge fan of forgiveness you know not holding on to hurts where you're drinking the poison and hoping someone else is going to die um and then tiredness and spirituality i think of purpose the more purposeful someone is the more more dopamine they have. And so really focusing in on, you know, why you're on the planet, I think is a critical piece to energy as well.
I want to come back to some tips and some tools that people can use to start boosting brain health. What are the five best foods that you can eat for brain health? Salmon, especially wild salmon for the omega-3 fatty acids.
Berries, blueberries, I often call them brain berries. So people take blueberry extract, access and shown to improve memory.
Okay. Nuts and seeds.
People who eat nuts and seeds on a regular basis have a lower incidence of depression and dementia. Leafy greens for the fiber and the magnesium.
But my favorite one is raw cacao or, you know, the main ingredient in chocolate. Wow.
I want you to try this. I make brain healthy hot chocolate virtually every day.
How do you make it? And so I get raw cacao. So for each serving, you know, say the servings like 12 ounces, a heaping teaspoon of raw cacao, unsweetened organic almond milk.
And you could do it with other nut milks, but I like almond milk. And there's a company called Sweet Leaf that makes liquid chocolate stevia.
And so I heat up the milk. I mix in the raw cacao.
I put a couple of dropperfuls of chocolate stevia and put it in a blender. It tastes amazing.
See, I love that there was an ambulance driving by

in the background as you, as my and our brain doctor were telling us to make hot chocolate.

That was just a beautiful thing. I think that was the universe telling us all.
We need to have

our brain healthy cacao with the Stevia chocolate sweetener. I'm actually going to make one

when we are done with this. What can we do to improve our memory, Dr.
Avon? Think about this, Mel. 50% of people, 85 and older, will be diagnosed with dementia.
Those are odds I am not okay with. And if you want to keep your brain healthy or rescue it, you have to prevent or treat the 11 major risk factors that steal your mind.
And I know we don't have time to go in it, but the mnemonic I have is bright mind. So for example, maybe the most important thing, B, is for blood flow.
Whatever you can do to increase blood flow to your brain, you're going to be happier, your memory is going to be better, and you're going to be more sexual. So is that the brisk walking? So you want to avoid things that steal blood flow, caffeine, nicotine, being sedentary, having any form of heart disease.
And then you want to do things that enhance blood flow. So walking, raw cacao, beets, the supplement ginkgo.
These things all increase blood flow. Cinnamon, oregano.
Cinnamon, oregano. Wow, this is starting to sound like a cooking show.
don't worry everybody we're going to put dr amon's information including the information on bright minds in the show notes because there are 11 of them and i don't know about you but i definitely cannot keep track of 11 things right now so dr amon you've been a psychiatrist for 40 years what are five things that you would never do because it's bad for your mental health and your brain health? I would never say everything, I think. Some people come to me and say, oh, Dr.
Amen, I'm brutally honest. And I'm like, well, that's usually not helpful.
I would never purposely stay up late and screw up my sleep. I would never eat everything I want.

And I would never take medicine just based on symptom clusters. I always want to look at the brain and then target whatever treatment I need to help somebody's brain's emotional.
Yeah, the one thing I forgot to ask you, this time of year, when it gets darker earlier, and it's colder, I notice my mood drops, and I feel sad. What do you do, whether it's because of the time of year, or because of chronic stress, you feel this sort of languishing or heaviness set in? What are three things that you would recommend that somebody do to boost their mood? So morning bright light, exercise, don't overdo the caffeine.
And it's really important. I haven't talked about this yet turn off blue light when the sun goes down so we're constantly flooded with blue light and in the morning it's fine but after dark it's not because it decreases the production of melatonin so you get it from your laptop or you get it from your phone or you get it from whatever gadgets you might be looking at.
And so after dark, either put blue light blockers on your gadgets or just turn them off and go read a book. If you could leave everyone with just one thing to start doing today, to create better brain health, what would it be? Whenever you come to a decision point in your day, just ask yourself, and what I'm doing doing good for my brain or bad for it? And if you can answer that with information and love, I'm serious about this, love of yourself, love of your family, love the reason you're on earth.
You're going to start making good decisions for your brain and then everything in your life will be better. Dr.
Raymond, you're so awesome. Thank you for giving us very tactical and doable strategies based on research that help us improve not only the physical and functioning aspect of our brains, but also tools and strategies to help us to start to reprogram the brain and the thinking patterns in it.
Dr. Amen, you are a gift.
We so appreciate you. I love you.
Thank you for spending the time with us. Thanks, Dr.
Amen. Thank you, my friend.
What a joy. What a joy is right.
And there is so much that Dr. Amen threw at us today in terms of resources and things to do.
And there's a particular resource that he has for free that I want to make sure you know about. He has a website called brainhealthassessment.com.
I want you to check it out. And here's why.
There are 16 different brain brain types and based on 200,000 brain scans, Dr. Raymond has a free assessment that you can take online that based on these 200,000 brain scans that measure blood flow and activity in the brain, he literally can help predict what your brain might look like if it was scanned in one of his clinics based on the most

common symptoms that you experience. So in less than five minutes, you can discover a comprehensive

approach to optimal brain health based on your brain. You can know your brain's risk factors.
Why?

So that you can actually address it starting today. And so I want you to go to brainhealthassessment.com if you wanna learn more, if you wanna know what specifically you should do for free and you will get a personalized email report.
And I believe so much in this, obviously, because Dr. Amon's work has helped my husband.

It has helped me and I know it will help you.

We'll put this all in the show notes.

You can peruse it at your leisure, your desire,

whenever the heck you want, but it's there for you

because as you know, the Mel Robbins podcast,

we're not just here to listen,

we're here to do something about it.

And one final thing, in case nobody else tells you,

I wanna be the one to tell you that I love you,

I'll see you. I believe in your ability to create a better life.
And what we both learned today is it does begin with you starting to take better care of your brain. That bowl of macaroni that's between your two ears,

you and I, we need to start to really pay attention to it.

And I hope that you now feel better equipped, I know I do, to be able comparison and pop culture's hottest takes I don't shy away from getting candid about my personal experiences and I want to share all the advice I have learned with you. I'm even joined by some of my friends like Claudia Oshry, Connor Wood, and Amanda Hirsch each Friday for our new Office Hours episodes.
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