PMS 2.0 1473 - Watt Wednesday, Adam Schefter, Luke Kuechly, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 2 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunder Down. On this Wednesday, December 17th, 2025, this sports program begins right now.

Speaker 1 Football!

Speaker 2 It is magical and we have the incredible opportunity to talk about it every single day. What a dream life we have as meaningful football is happening all around us.

Speaker 2 The college football playoff starts in just two days. And don't look now.
Week 16 of the NFL season starts tomorrow. Let's go to the talks of Tape Wet Boss of Connor at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 2 Con man, it is something historic happening with this NFL season where we don't know shit about anything at this stage.

Speaker 3 Yeah, zero division winners for the first time going into week 16 since 2016.

Speaker 1 It is electric.

Speaker 2 Wow, a lot of question marks all over the place, including that NFC North Ty Schmidt, especially with the injuries that are taking place all around the league.

Speaker 4 Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, hey, we said it.
Everything's still out ahead of the Packers. Everything's still out in front of the Bears as well.

Speaker 2 So what a nice little showdown on a saturday night and then tomorrow night week 16 of the nfl season kicks off in the nfc west which might be the nfl's best it might be the nfc beast as the rams and seahawks try to find out who's going to win that division now the other team will be in the playoffs certainly because of what the work has already been done and we're kind of staring down a vikings lions situation here although vikings lions last season was the last weekend of the year where they were trying to decide which was the one seed and who was going to be the five seed.

Speaker 2 But in this particular case, it's who's who's going to win the NFC West, which we all think is going to produce. potentially the Super Bowl champion, at least the NFC representative.

Speaker 2 Let's go to nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler tomorrow night.
Graham Seahawks, so much on the line. Congrats to Amazon Prime is how we're viewing this one.
And congrats to us as football fans.

Speaker 2 They got a banger.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we got a bangers. We got bangers all weekend long with the primetime games.
This should be a big one, too. The best teams in the National Football League.

Speaker 6 Superstars out there. I'm seeing Puka do some other things right now.
Not concerned yet on the field, but he's a dynamic receiver. He's going to have to have a huge game without Devontae out there.

Speaker 2 He's going to have to continue to have huge games if he's going to continue to do the things he's doing off the field, which we will certainly tell Ooz, like, hey, the louder you get, the better you got to be.

Speaker 2 And that's just a part of the game. Everybody needs to know it.

Speaker 2 If you're going to start doing a lot of extracurriculars outside of football, which is certainly going to be very prevalent to Puka in L.A.

Speaker 2 with his personality, with who he is, with how good he is at football, with his generation, with his age, with his friends, he's going to have a lot of opportunity to do a lot of things off the field.

Speaker 2 We would like him to take advantage of all of those things for the good of him, for the good of his family, for the good of his future. But also, if on the field remains great, it's okay.

Speaker 2 If on the field slips at all, they will be holding all of this against Puka.

Speaker 2 And that's just what life is like as a superstar, let alone in the city of stars where they can win a Super Bowl this year yet again, Dean.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6 They got an MVP favorite, pretty much, front runner with Matt Stafford slinging it. Great defense.
Obviously, we expect Devontae to be healthy playoff time.

Speaker 6 But yeah, they got everything in front of them. And Puka has shown shown us that ball comes first.
He'll keep the main thing to main thing. So I got faith in him.

Speaker 2 This will be the first ever Thursday night game with two teams with 11 plus wins. Now, obviously, the Thursday night package doesn't carry all the way through the entire season.

Speaker 2 So getting to 11 wins takes a long time to get there. So two 11 win teams, two superstar teams, two potential Super Bowl teams kicking off week 16.
And then guess what?

Speaker 2 It's not just Thursday that we got NFL football.

Speaker 2 It's also

Speaker 2 Saturday we got a doubleheader. Philadelphia and Washington at 5 p.m.
on Fox. This Philadelphia Eagles team on Hard Knocks looks like they're having a great time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 It is crazy the conversation around the Philadelphia Eagles team with what's happening behind the scenes. They just beat the brakes off of the Raiders this past weekend.
31-zip. Coop was smiling.

Speaker 2 Kenny Pickett was crying. The Raiders are going to have to start over yet again next season.
And the Philadelphia Eagles said, speaking of starting over, this whole season could just start each week.

Speaker 2 And we could run this thing all the way through the Lombardi. They have all the talent.
They have all the ability. Do they have the team and the camaraderie?

Speaker 2 We shall see on Saturday as they take on the commanders who sat Jaden Daniels. Marcus Marriott will continue it as they have lost their playoff hopes.

Speaker 2 And then the Green Bay Packers take on the Chicago Bears in an NFC North battle for who's going to be the number one seed, the number one team in the NFC North.

Speaker 2 Ty Schmidt, Saturday football for you being meaningful for the first time in a long time as an Iowa Hawkeye fan.

Speaker 1 Good for you, boy.

Speaker 4 Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I mean, Iowa went to the Big Ten Championship just a couple years ago, so we've had had a lot of meaningful Saturdays. Thank you.
But no, this is awesome.

Speaker 7 This is awesome.

Speaker 4 I'm very surprised that the Packers are still a favorite in this game.

Speaker 4 And then the best part really is, I'm not saying we are going to get two blowouts in the college football playoff with, you know, two of those group of five teams playing in the exact same time slots as these NFL games, but we have viewing options now.

Speaker 4 Hey, if one of these turns to shite, you flip over to the NFL game, or if it's the NFL game, you flip over to the college football games. That's going to be awesome.

Speaker 2 College football game, I believe, will be on the Ocho and on the Super Duper W. Yep.
I think is where you will find those two games. Obviously, we cannot wait for that.

Speaker 2 Friday night, Alabama, Oklahoma kicks off the college football playoff. Then at noon on ABC, Miami takes on Texas AM.

Speaker 2 Then, once again, 5 o'clock, you have an NFL option with the Philadelphia Eagles playing, or you can watch at 3:30 on True TV. Tulane will take on Ole Miss.

Speaker 2 And then at 7:30 on TNT and True TV, JMU will take on Oregon. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 Oregon needs to watch it. They do.

Speaker 2 Especially, we don't know what Oregon's like on True TV.

Speaker 1 No, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 We've seen Lizard Lict Toeing on True TV. We've seen multiple other shows on True TV that are high performance.
Cops? Elite performance. Cops is on True TV.

Speaker 2 I believe Live TV potentially was our Live PD was potentially on there at one point. We don't know what this Oregon team looks like on True TV.
And I don't think they do either. JMU team, 12 wins.

Speaker 2 They know how to win ball games.

Speaker 1 Exactly. A lot of them.

Speaker 2 Don't be sleepwalking through this, ducks. Don't be ducking around, ducks, unless you want this JMU team to be the Cinderella story.
Joe Klatt said, I'm sick of it all. Okay.

Speaker 2 The NCAA March basketball tournament, March Madness, should be called March Stupidity. He said, there's never any Cinderellas.
The small schools that we want to win never go on a win.

Speaker 2 Joe Klatt took an entire take, not just on college football, letting smaller schools into the tournament, but also turned his sights to basketball.

Speaker 2 I think that was a miscalculation because how much we all enjoy March Madness and how many smaller schools do go on a run.

Speaker 2 But what Joel Klatt was saying was echoing the sentiments of a lot of people about how in football, it's not the same as in basketball.

Speaker 2 You know, there is like size differences and weight differences in every single physical combat sport that there is. Fighting, wrestling, boxing.
There's weight differences because of things.

Speaker 2 In football, is there a chance that this could be a weight class disadvantage for JMU versus Oregon, who has a top four paid roster? Okay, they're D-line across the front, all multi-millionaires.

Speaker 2 The backups for the front four on D-line, all multi-millionaires. JMU got a tough group.
Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man whose arms couldn't touch each other whenever he was coming out.

Speaker 2 His hands could not touch each other whenever he was coming out of college. Penn State is a Remington Award winner.
His belly got in the way. This man's arms were too short to be in the NFL.

Speaker 2 What did he go on to do? Well, he played 12 years in the NFL, won a Super Bowl, was a player coach as well, like he's Jackie Moon. Ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley.

Speaker 2 AQ, when we talk about these games on True TV on Saturday, when we talk about Tulane and we talk about JMU, and we talk about Ole Miss in Oregon and Ole Miss, obviously we have no idea what they're going to look like either.

Speaker 2 We have no clue what Ole Miss is going to look like. Tulane has a couple games against big schools, including Ole Miss and UTSA.
They've lost by 20 plus each time.

Speaker 2 JMU, we have no idea because they haven't really played anybody that would be considered a playoff worthy. squad, okay? So we don't know what's going to happen.
Maybe JMU shows up.

Speaker 2 But the biggest difference is in the trenches, right? That's kind of where these types of games kind of get handled, which is the difference between football and basketball.

Speaker 2 Whenever you're talking about Cinderella stories and smaller schools, maybe going on a run.

Speaker 1 It's trenches. I also think it's depth.
I think that was the biggest thing. Whenever we used to play max schools, which again, that's still Division I.
It's not quite the level of...

Speaker 1 JMU and Tulane, obviously, but whenever,

Speaker 1 maybe they are. But I just think depth.
I think whenever you lose a guy and now you're onto your second guy, that second guy is also a four-star at the big schools.

Speaker 1 Now that second guy is maybe a little bit undersized.

Speaker 2 Let's talk about what stars are normally for. Stars are normally projections of height, weight, athleticism.
It's all let alone film.

Speaker 2 I mean, film has to happen, but the reason why guys are four or five stars is because they have the dims, the dims, the dims.

Speaker 2 So, whenever you talk about these big schools that are spending all this big money and get all the five stars, four stars, they're getting the dims.

Speaker 2 The opportunity, the potential is obviously all there, but it's the size that will be the biggest difference.

Speaker 2 Like, even our West Virginia team, I would say our West Virginia team, whenever I was lucky enough to be there and ride the coattails of a lot of great players, getting off the bus, our size size was clear about, hey, who is a team that is, you know, SEC school or something like that.

Speaker 2 Now, granted, we were able to beat them with speed and with tenacity and with fight and everything like that.

Speaker 2 And maybe there's a chance that JMU has the same type of build or Tulane has the same type of build now than they did in the regular season whenever they had to face these types of teams.

Speaker 2 But it feels like in the modern era that we're in, the schools with the money, Oregon's certainly one of them.

Speaker 1 They're not the only one, but they are certainly one of them.

Speaker 2 And they should not be judged because they have money. They should be celebrated that they have money.
That's a good thing for them.

Speaker 2 We all wish we had Uncle Phil Knight in as alumni for our schools, but they got dudes, every big position. They could potentially just bully this JMU team right off the field, right?

Speaker 2 Is that not something that very much worries everybody as we look ahead to these types of games?

Speaker 1 They could, but this is where I'm going to go on my little high horse right now and say that this is where Iowa, why I think what Kirk Ferrins does at Iowa is one of the best coaching jobs every single year, because he takes the guys that might be 6'1 ⁇ , 6'2 ⁇ , 6'3 that maybe an Oregon or or an Ole Miss or an SEC or another Big Ten school might not look at because they're not 6'5 ⁇ and 300 pounds.

Speaker 1 But guess what? At the end of the day, what matters is what? Are you a football player? It's what you put on team. And you can be 6'5 ⁇ .

Speaker 1 I played with multiple 6'5s, look like Tarzan, play like James.

Speaker 1 Period. Absolutely.
A million of those players. And that's what I think four and five stars are.

Speaker 1 It's projections, it's potential. But when you look at the NFL, those first-round picks also, there's a lot of busts.
And potential gets you fired also.

Speaker 2 Yeah, potential will get you fired. But these teams have made the playoffs.
I think it's been proven that they're a good football team and the people are good.

Speaker 2 So maybe it is a little different than at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 2 But I still, hey, I, because my team that I got very lucky to be a part of, the West Virginia squad representing the Big East, a lot of guys that got their scholarships pulled or didn't get pulled anywhere else, kind of a last chance type situation for our team.

Speaker 2 We beat Georgia. We beat Oklahoma.
We beat these teams. So literally, I was there witnessing it.
So I will hold out hope.

Speaker 2 But in the current stage of football that we're in right now, it does feel like there are some

Speaker 2 differences getting off the bus.

Speaker 1 Got to play the game.

Speaker 2 Got to play the game.

Speaker 1 Got to play every snap.

Speaker 1 Got a strategy. And for team of the country, too.

Speaker 6 If you look at Indiana's roster and their stars compared to the rest of the top five, they're not on par with Ohio Star.

Speaker 1 No, this year they are.

Speaker 2 Last year they were not.

Speaker 1 Ohio State?

Speaker 2 Well, Ohio State's different animal.

Speaker 1 League of their own.

Speaker 2 That defense for Indiana this year size is the biggest difference is they are bigger.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but I'm saying, like, as far as the guys coming out of high school, like,

Speaker 6 Ohio State's made up of mostly four and five stars. You look at Indiana, Indiana, there's some three stars, two stars.
There's some guys that transfer from other smaller schools.

Speaker 6 Like, those are different. So, coaching matters, obviously, scheme matters, but obviously, these, you know, we three touchdowns spread for a reason.

Speaker 1 Yes, but you got to play.

Speaker 2 A lot of people aren't necessarily thrilled that that is even taking up a spot in the college football playoff. Joe Clyde is a voice that we respect in college ball.

Speaker 2 We appreciate his contributions to college ball. But I think no matter what network you're in right now, everybody's kind of saying

Speaker 2 Notre Dame's not in.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 It's not the 12 best teams.

Speaker 2 So it's hard. It's hard to buy in.
But I would like to hold on hope, though, that there is a good story and you win your conference championship and you get in there.

Speaker 2 The ACC being ass was really the, that's the big reason why you saw it. So whenever you want to start pointing blame at whoever you're pointing blame, it's not Tulane.
It's not JMU's fault.

Speaker 2 JMU didn't get an opportunity to really play anybody either. So they might be way better than anybody could be projecting.

Speaker 2 And they might surprise this Ducks team, which we would certainly be pumped up about because chaos is a good thing for sports.

Speaker 2 Chaos is good, but if they get blown out and Tulane gets blown out, boy, it's going to get real loud this offseason on the setup of it all.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I saw Joe Clatt when he was at Colorado. They were 7-5.
They played a bull game against Texas, who was 10-2, and they lost 70-3. So I think that's why he has that take about the Cinderellas.

Speaker 3 But that's the whole thing about the Stars. The Stars, sure, it does matter with the big schools and the small schools.

Speaker 3 But if you're one of the best players at the small school, you're only going to be there for two years. Look at Trinidad Winnedad Chambliss.

Speaker 3 He didn't even go to a Division I school, but then he gets pulled because he's unbelievable, and now he's in the college football playoff. Like, that's the problem with the small schools.

Speaker 3 The small schools can't hang on to their coaches and they can't hang on to their players.

Speaker 3 And it'll be like that forever with the NIO, which is a good thing because the best teams will be better, but it's a bad thing when we don't put the best teams in the college football playoff.

Speaker 3 It feels like that will change, but that's the whole thing about the whole star shit.

Speaker 3 Like, if the stars were accurate, then every single year, that top 100 list that ESPN does for high schools, that would reflect four years later or three years later in the draft process.

Speaker 3 But that's exactly why stars are just projections. And that is also why those schools that hold on to those dudes are almost more impressive, like Iowa.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And obviously this conversation has gone into a way of you guys attacking like the stars angle, which I was saying.

Speaker 2 If this was the beginning of the season, we hadn't seen Oregon already play and the stars were Tarzan Jane thing. We're talking about the end of the season already and they're in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 So I'm saying four or five stars because.

Speaker 1 No, but the whole argument was the fact that JMU doesn't have those guys and they're still a good football team. Against who is the question.

Speaker 2 That's my question. Is there still a good football team against who?

Speaker 1 No shot to shine now.

Speaker 2 They do have the shot to shine. They're Jake Paul going into Anthony Joshua.

Speaker 1 Good luck.

Speaker 2 Good luck. And we learned a lot about Jake Paul.

Speaker 1 He's winning perfectly.

Speaker 2 He had no idea he had the hulkster rolling through his entire body.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 Did we know that? No.

Speaker 4 No, I saw that and I said, okay, well, why am I even going to watch this?

Speaker 2 Jake Paul

Speaker 2 did a Gator hunt, killed a 12-foot Gator, okay, out in a swamp. He's turning the gator.
He found him. He saw him.
Look, are you easy? I saw him, bitch.

Speaker 2 He's hiring 12-foot Gator and ain't going to go up close to him. Let's go ahead and shoot that thing right in between the eyes.
This gator thinks he's tough. It's not.
I'm tougher than him.

Speaker 2 Takes the Gator, turns it into shorts. Then he starts decorating it.
And boom, he's summoning the spirit of Hulkster going in against Anthony Joshua. Obviously, a man who speaks with a British accent.

Speaker 1 I am a real American.

Speaker 2 Is what Jake Paul is saying. Is that going to be enough to power him over this big-time upset against Anthony Joshua on Friday night?

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm a little biased, but I'm thinking, yeah. Like, I went from thinking, hey, I hope Jake Paul can survive.

Speaker 4 I hope he doesn't get killed by this guy who we've seen fight before, who is a mountain of a human being, a big time heavyweight.

Speaker 4 And then I saw this stuff and I said, Jake Paul is going to knock him out in the first round. Never mind going to a decision.
Never mind maybe knocking him down. He's going to kill him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's a chance. So we got Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul, Friday night.
We got Tulane Ole Miss. We We got JMU, Oregon.
Joshua Moy.

Speaker 1 What's that? Anthony Joshua Moy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I saw Joshua say he's going to take his soul and break his spirit.

Speaker 3 And it was a pretty enlightened answer.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about Jake.

Speaker 2 Yeah, with an English accent. And I think Jake was worried too, as he was saying.
They were zooming in on Jake's face. And I think Jake was doing, wow, that's pretty deep.

Speaker 2 He's thought about this before. All right.
So a lot of David versus Goliath type situations this weekend going into the holiday season. Let's go and enjoy it all.

Speaker 2 We appreciate sports for always delivering for us. But if Tulane and JMU get murdered, it is going to be very, very, very loud.
But if they get a win, that's a specialness of sports.

Speaker 2 Maybe they go on a magical run, a Cinderella-like run that nobody thinks is possible in a physical sport as opposed to just a bucket-getting sport.

Speaker 2 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a senior NFL insider for ESPN, a guy who's on top of every single story, including the one down in Miami with the turning of a tide.

Speaker 2 Joining us now, Michigan Man, Adam Schefter.

Speaker 2 Shefty, we appreciate you joining us as you are going to speak at your high school as a distinguished honor alumni and let them know that the future is bright if you're willing to have four phones and be on them at all times.

Speaker 1 Now, Shefty, let's talk about what happened in Miami.

Speaker 2 Tua, Tongavaloa, no longer the starter. Quinn Ewers is the new starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins.
What does this mean? Is it dawning of a new day, whole new era? Tua chapter closed in Miami.

Speaker 2 Is that how we should read this?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think it's time to start playing the numbers game. And we've seen this play out before in Denver with Russell Wilson, in New York with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 9 When we talk about the teams with the largest cap hits that absorb the contracts of quarterbacks that they once thought were going to be their future, I think you have to turn to Denver and the Jets for instructive ways as to which how they handled it.

Speaker 9 The Denver Broncos this season, this season, still have $32 million in dead cap money against their cap for moving on from Russell Wilson.

Speaker 9 It was initially over $50 million last year against their cap. It's $32 million

Speaker 9 this year against their cap, and they still have the best record in the AFC currently. The Jets moved on with a $49 million cap charge.

Speaker 9 Marron Rodgers, Tuatunga-Valoa, is going to have a $99 million cap charge if they decide to move on from him.

Speaker 9 That would be the single largest cap charge in NFL history, and they certainly could spread it out. There are a couple of ways to look at this.
They could release him after June 1st.

Speaker 9 They could see if they wind up trading him in much the way that the Houston Texans once traded Brock Oswald along with a draft pick to the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 9 I remember the day that that story happened, and Bill Pollion was on the desk there at ESPN. He's like, that can't be.
Nobody ever trades a player and a pick to take on the contract.

Speaker 9 But these are different times with some larger contracts, and this certainly would be in that category. But clearly, Miami...
is going to be moving forward without Tua, one way or another.

Speaker 9 You don't make the decision to bench him and go with a rookie quarterback in Quinn Ewers without the idea that you're essentially separating right now.

Speaker 9 It's just a question of how the relationship officially dissolves and how they move on from him. But this was the first step in that happening.
They have begun the process of moving on from him.

Speaker 1 Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 2 Now, tell us where it went wrong, you know, because a couple years ago, they put up 70 on the Denver Broncos. They were the talk of the town for offenses.
Tua was all in. He gets a new deal.

Speaker 2 He immediately goes right to the group of people that can't afford regular tickets. So they go to training camp.

Speaker 2 Maybe some local sick kids come into training camp and start screaming in their faces, show me the money. Was this the moment where it all went south? Like when?

Speaker 2 Obviously, he had a couple concussions, which we were all very worried for him.

Speaker 2 Something went bad, though, because he got worse at football. Like none of us really understand what, how did it happen, you think? Where'd it go wrong?

Speaker 9 It's hard to pinpoint. Again,

Speaker 9 I think the concussions and the injuries began to play a part in this.

Speaker 9 I think he's played through some other injuries here, but I don't know that he's been fully healthy and I don't know all the injuries that he's been through in the past have taken a toll.

Speaker 9 Look, when Mike McDaniel got hired, he came in there and resurrected, resurrected the career of Tua Tunga Valois, so much so that they signed him to this contract that now is going to become a major sticking point with this organization.

Speaker 9 Somewhere along the way,

Speaker 9 it just, he didn't get better the way that some people do. And if anything, he seemed to regress.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 9 And now they're at the point where they've decided to bench him for Quinn Ewers.

Speaker 9 I can't give you a specific moment when it went south, but I think part of it is the injuries taking their toll. Part of it is him not

Speaker 9 improving and regressing. If anything,

Speaker 9 I don't have that specific answer. I wish I did, Pat.

Speaker 2 All right. We appreciate the hell out of you.
Tell those kids at that high school. We said what's up and that they should be proud of their alumni, you and the director of Monday Night Football.

Speaker 2 Is that right?

Speaker 9 Yeah, Artie Kempner, who's the director of Monday Night Football. We went to the same high school here on Long Island.
I'm literally,

Speaker 9 I will say this is a bit surreal, driving up the street that I used to go up every single day as a youth, and I haven't been here in a very long time.

Speaker 9 And about to pull up to my high school, which I haven't been to in a very long time. And we're going to go speak to all the kids here for Alumni Day.

Speaker 2 Hey, go see see those lockers you used to get stuffed in, Shafter. We appreciate you, man.

Speaker 1 You're the best, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 You've done good, dude.

Speaker 2 You've done good. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Shafter.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's go to you, D.Butch. Obviously, South Florida guy, Dolphins fan throughout your childhood and will be for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 We talked about Tua and the moving on of him, six-year quarterback. This isn't like first year, second-year, third year.
He's a six-year quarterback.

Speaker 2 And what we saw in primetime obviously wasn't fantastic. We showed a couple of the low lights there.

Speaker 2 Him taking sacks when like a third-year quarterback, second-year quarterback, you would hope would not take sacks.

Speaker 2 Him knowing what a defensive coverage was, what their offense was, and just throwing a pick directly to a guy.

Speaker 2 He should know that that guy is going to drop into that particular coverage because there's nobody to threaten him in the flat.

Speaker 2 We've talked about this all like amateur-like mistakes out of a quarterback in his sixth year who's already been paid. Now, concussions aside, because there is a chance that that affects everything.

Speaker 2 Okay. Obviously, that's your brain.
And a big part of being quarterback is thinking and critical analysis and decision-making and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 So we can, I guess, assume that that potentially had an effect on him.

Speaker 2 After they lose primetime game, he was the last one on the field. I mean, he was the last person on the field like celebrating.
I saw him. There's a video of him and Jalen Ramsey talking.

Speaker 2 They're like the final two people almost in the entire stadium having a good time catching up old teammates.

Speaker 2 I like that these teammates like each other, but a quarterback for a team in primetime that just got kicked out of the playoffs, they were potentially going to go to the playoffs, being the last one off.

Speaker 2 the field, it's like, that's not what you want your quarterback to look like. What he was doing on the field, that's not what you want your NFL quarterback to look like.

Speaker 2 So what happened from year three, four to year six? Like, is that on coaching? Is that on Tua? Is that on the building? Like, how do we kind of judge this fall from grace that Tua Tonga Valoa has?

Speaker 2 Because it felt like he was on an actual fast track to maybe a good legacy whenever McDaniel got there. And then now here we're like, well, he's gone.
It's over in Miami. It's a wild thing.

Speaker 6 This post-game stuff is kind of the icing on the cake.

Speaker 6 And like you said, you said you mentioned players catch up all the time. You saw Rasul Douglas and A-Roy catch up real quick after game.
And that happens.

Speaker 6 I I don't expect him to go into a deep, dark hole after every loss.

Speaker 6 But as a quarterback, as a face of the franchise, after a loss like that, that have ended your playoff hopes, you can't be on the field like this chumming it up.

Speaker 6 We've seen former, I want to say Burrow and Allen maybe a couple weeks ago, like just in the tunnel, catching up. That's kind of how you do it, kind of away from the cameras.

Speaker 6 But on the field, we're not that far removed from him. him being a very good player.
Like he was the passing rating leader in 2022. 2023 led the league in yards.

Speaker 6 And then 2024, just last year, he led the league in completion percentage.

Speaker 6 But when you're watching the games and you're watching him play, it's like he's doing amateur stuff in moments where you can't do, you can't put your team in that position.

Speaker 6 Mike McDaniel, he did a great job resurrecting his career. And then this team, this was a team that we all wrote off.

Speaker 6 We were all talking about Mike McDaniel being fired at midseason, him being on the hot seat.

Speaker 6 And then you saw this whole team collectively, even after trading some of their best pieces, fight and then for him to go down like this. It's ugly.
It's tough.

Speaker 2 But Tua still got 54 guarantee uh next year so they they got to figure that part well that's what i'm saying it looks like it doesn't really like the after the game thing it was like does this guy even care yeah does this guy does this guy even care and then obviously we've talked about never want that question for you ever for your quarter franchise quarterback who's getting paid like does this guy even care and then team like when he walks in a locker room there has to be some people in that locker room that care

Speaker 6 somebody cares about the miami dolphins in that locker i would say a lot of people based on how they've played this last you know month or so you know their winning streak and then even the games before that, when they were competing, I would say a lot of those people cared, the coaches and the players alike.

Speaker 6 So it's tough to keep. Well, it's not tough.
You're a professional, so you got to show up and play, you know, 17 games, but they competed their ass off week in and week out.

Speaker 6 And it wasn't just the play.

Speaker 6 Like, if we remember throughout the weeks, like, it seemed like every post-game when he was at the podem, he was saying some dumb shit or some wild shit or throwing somebody in the bus.

Speaker 6 So it's just been wild, a wild ride.

Speaker 3 Well, and that's the problem. Like, he was throwing people under the bus, and they lost some players for sure.
They traded Jalen Phillips, who's a Pro Bowler, Christian Wilkins.

Speaker 3 They didn't re-sign, which looking back, who knows? But Teron Armstead starting left tackle, they paid 100 plus million. Jalen Ramsey gets traded.
Johnny Smith gets traded.

Speaker 3 There were multiple different things. But when McDaniel flew over, I still remember McDaniel on the private plane, FaceTime and Tua saying, hey, we're going to build this thing around you.

Speaker 3 Like this is your team.

Speaker 3 He watched the 500 hours of Tua throwing the ball. Like he was handed the keys.
Now, the whole entire money thing, that's another aspect of this. Ownership's on board.

Speaker 3 They're also done with all his shit because they're giving him all that money. But it's year six.

Speaker 3 Like, look at the other quarterbacks in his draft class and what they're doing between Burrow, who, you know, Boohoo Burrow, what are you going to do? Hopefully he figures that out.

Speaker 3 But Herbert in the Chargers, they figured it out once they got the right coach in there. And then Jalen Hurts.
Jalen Hurts has been to two Super Bowls and he's won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 And you look at how Jalen Hurts talks on the podium and acts after losses. You look at how Burrow handles it.
You look at Justin Herbert, who handles it maybe too much aggressively.

Speaker 3 Maybe he needs to calm down, take a page out of Tua's book instead, and Tua take a page out of his book. But it is a bummer, but it's done in Miami.
Like, maybe he gets a chance.

Speaker 3 You guys think a team is risking it on him?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's kind of the interesting point. AQ Shipley, we know in this league, you know, there's an opportunity for anybody, basically.
And a lot of buildings think it happened like that there.

Speaker 2 It won't happen like that here. We've seen Tua have success.
I referenced it earlier. They hung 70 on Denver.
They were the talk of the NFL, changing what offenses are.

Speaker 2 That's why they go and pay Tyreek Hill because of how impressive they wanted that offense to be, how incredible they wanted that offense to be. It was almost as great as show on turf again.

Speaker 2 Like, that is what the Miami Dolphins were just a few years ago. Did defenses catch up and they weren't able to adjust? Is it on scheme? Is it on strategy?

Speaker 2 And do you think another team will take a shot on Tua? Tua would be agreeing that he's a backup. This would be like a Russell Wilson type situation where he gets a million dollars.

Speaker 2 Or do you think there's a team that'll go in on Tua being their starter somewhere, AQ?

Speaker 1 Somebody will definitely take a chance on him. I think I'll start with that.
And I think when you look at what he's done, he's obviously taken that team to the postseason twice.

Speaker 1 He's been very good, completion percentage, quarterback rating, all that stuff. But I always lean back on the trenches.

Speaker 1 And Connor kind of alluded to it already with Terren Armstead, but they also lost Robert Hunt. Robert Hunt was one of the best guards in football.

Speaker 1 And there's a reason he got paid when he went to Carolina, got paid a boatload of money. And when you lose him and you lose Terren Armstead, and all of a sudden...

Speaker 1 You don't have the same protection up front. You can't run the ball quite like you used to.
You can't have the protection and get him down the field because that entire offense is timing throws.

Speaker 1 I think that that's kind of where it went wrong, but he will definitely get another chance. He's a first-round pick, a top five pick.
They always get a million chances. Will he want one?

Speaker 2 I mean, that's kind of, I honestly, this looks like a dude, that after-the-game thing, and then like some of those decisions and then how the season's gone.

Speaker 2 And like, I guess I shouldn't have said that. I apologize.
I didn't mean to put anybody in a position. It's like, does this guy log ball still? And you can see why he maybe wouldn't.

Speaker 2 You listed all the players that he got traded away. All their good players kind of left the team before this season started.

Speaker 2 Good players. I'm sorry.
They got a lot of good players. All their star players were either traded out of town or moved along from this Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 2 They bring Minka Fitzpatrick back, but it was like, this team is a seller before the season even starts. Like, what is their expectation?

Speaker 2 And then they get through it, and then they're lurking, and they're lurking, and they're lurking. And it's like, it wasn't because of Tua while they were lurking.

Speaker 2 The offense had changed completely into a run-first type thing. And then after the loss and being kicked out of the playoffs with Hallie Hansletter,

Speaker 2 I just, does this guy love ball still? And would that be the first question I guess any building would be asking him?

Speaker 2 And if he was offered a backup role somewhere, is that something the two would want to be? Or he's getting $54 million.

Speaker 1 Hey, yeah, I'll do whatever. I'll basically do whatever.

Speaker 6 It's a good situation to, you know, reflect and figure it out. You're still getting 54 coming your way.
I think up until this point, I don't think anybody would argue that he loves football.

Speaker 6 We saw him, you know, looking like he was, you know, damn near dead on the football field. They'd come back.
A lot of people were talking, saying, hey, he shouldn't come back. Go enjoy your family.

Speaker 6 When you are benched or you you suffer a major injury and you have your you know he's he's been a face of a franchise when you have that taken away from you i'm sure he'll love and appreciate it uh even more but like aq said i'm on the same page he'll definitely get an opportunity uh everything that i've seen i think he still loves the game of football and if we look around the league every year we see we always talk about the quarterback development issue in the nfl or how there just aren't enough good quarterbacks in the NFL.

Speaker 6 So there will be another team that will take a shot. His skill set is limited when you're talking about quarterbacks that are making the money that he's making.

Speaker 6 I don't think he'll see another contract like this. I hope I'm wrong.
But, you know, he doesn't have the arm strength.

Speaker 6 He doesn't have the size, the mobility, and those things that we talk about top-tier elite quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 But I think people will have the opportunity. Him with Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 2 For a $1 million contract, just like Russell Wilson to a Tonga Valoa. Now, nine's coming into his own.

Speaker 2 I know a nine's coming into his own. But to a tongue of a low in an offensive system where he doesn't, hey, he's dropped back, and this is where you got to to put the ball.

Speaker 2 That was very much what he was with McDaniel.

Speaker 2 So maybe the offense too, McDaniel, the way he was drawing it up, wasn't the same going forward, where guys weren't as wide-ass open or as much timing routes because defense caught up to the offenses.

Speaker 2 Joining us now is a man who might be able to tell us a little bit more, actually. This dude played eight years in the NFL, okay? Seven-time all-pro, seven-time Pro Bowler.

Speaker 2 Hall of Fame nom already, okay? Gonna go into the Hall of Fame. Eight years he played.
He's the type of human who,

Speaker 2 you know, walks around. He's the smartest human in any room

Speaker 1 in our real world.

Speaker 2 Okay. He would be one of the representatives that the NFL would put up for if there was a smart human contest just and we had to be represented.

Speaker 2 This dude would be one of the first ones that we send out there. Then he puts on his pads, okay? Flips the switch.
Complete lunatic, psycho, maniac, one of the greatest of all time.

Speaker 2 And oh yeah, the smarts that he has, he was able to do it in ball too. He knew what everybody was going to do all the time, which leads to an alt cast called Monday Night Football

Speaker 2 Playbook with Neck Gen Stats, December 22nd, an NFL data cast aimed at avid fans, which will complement Monday Night Football and ESPN NFL postseason slate.

Speaker 2 So much like the, we got to see like a kind of a trailer or teaser or what it would be.

Speaker 2 So just like on Thursday night, how they have the analytics cast where they have circles and percentages and all that stuff, ESPN is going to provide that.

Speaker 2 Shout out to Adrenaline, which Sean Lee, former Dallas Cowboys linebacker and Penn State linebacker, also Western Pennsylvania soccer star growing up from Upper St. Clair and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 He's one of the owners of a company called Adrenaline, which has an AI model that backs with football players, with analytics, with stats and everything to be a good predictionary type situation.

Speaker 2 So they're going to team up Sean Lee, Luke Keekly, analytics in Monday Night Football.

Speaker 2 AO Yeah, and Dan Orlofsky.

Speaker 3 Sign me up.

Speaker 2 I think it's going to be good. Ladies and gentlemen, Luke Keekly.

Speaker 2 I think it's going to be good, Luke. This seems in theory, and I know you big brain people operate in theory a lot, but in theory, this seems to be an incredible thing.

Speaker 2 I saw you got to do a little bit of a test run. I know you call games for Carolina on a rotational basis.
How excited are you for this?

Speaker 2 And what do you think people are going to learn from watching alongside you, Dano, and Field Yates, Luke?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think it's a really cool opportunity. I think it shows you a lot about...
you know, what guys are thinking.

Speaker 11 When DK Metcalf lines up at number three, the three position wide receiver, he's lined up on a linebacker,

Speaker 11 his percentage of catch is going to go way up because the matchup on the linebacker is better. And then we can just give reasons why.
Why does DK Metcalf line up there?

Speaker 11 Why does John U Smith line up out wide at the number one position rather than in a traditional tight end location? We're going to try to explain a lot of the why

Speaker 11 the next couple weeks will be five games that we'll do, but the reason is why. Why do they line up in this formation? Why do they line up in this defensive set? Why this personnel group?

Speaker 11 I think a lot is made out of the 13 personnel stuff this year. And a lot of guys have talked about why they line up in base versus nickel.

Speaker 11 I think it's going to be a really unique opportunity for us to explain why coaches do certain things and why certain players line up in particular positions.

Speaker 2 I'm going to watch it, steal your shit, act like it's my own. I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 That should be an absolute blast. I think that is what the goal would be for every football fan and football consumer to get smarter about the game that we all love.

Speaker 2 And hearing from you will certainly be a beautiful piece of it. Let's talk about the game that you did there with the Dolphins and Tua.
We just asked and obviously your opinion is certainly

Speaker 2 warranted in this particular conversation. Tua put up 70 points against the Denver Broncos with that McDaniel offense whenever he goes down there.
They were using late motions, late shifts.

Speaker 2 They were doing a lot of that stuff, kind of innovated, changed the game. Do you think defensive coordinators caught up to them? Do you think Tua just wasn't as sharp as he used to be?

Speaker 2 Why do you think we saw a regression in performance, clearly, by McDaniel and Tua down there in Miami. And him getting benched, obviously, is the end of an era of Tua in Miami.

Speaker 2 What do you think the future potentially looks like for him, Luke? So I think you start with how and why we got to this point in Miami. And then what do you think the future looks like for Tua, Luke?

Speaker 11 Well, I think it was certainly the production wasn't there. Obviously, the Tyreek injury hurt them.
Robert Hunt coming to Carolina. I know you guys already referenced that.
Same thing with Armstead.

Speaker 11 The pieces that they've had in the past aren't there how they used to be. Now they kind of rely on Jalen Waddell.

Speaker 11 A-chain's obviously a really good running back, but I think, I think a little bit is people have caught up to the motions a little bit, all the pre-snap shifts, all the pre-snap motions.

Speaker 11 That was all very new in the way they did it. But as people see more of it and the communication on the defensive side of the ball catches up, it becomes a little bit easier.

Speaker 11 But, you know, I think you guys kind of nailed it a little bit. You watched two after the game.
It's like, man, like how much, how serious is he? He's on there, you know, talking with Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 11 It's like, man, just get in the locker room, be with the guys. If you need to talk to Jalen, you can do it behind the scenes.
But like you said, it's the end of an era.

Speaker 11 They had a great run there. But like you said, all first-round picks are going to get another opportunity.

Speaker 11 He's produced at a high level in the past, and there's nothing to say that he can't do it again.

Speaker 2 Yeah, what was it about him that made him a great player? His accuracy, his anticipation, whenever they were humming? What do you think it was?

Speaker 2 And for you, as a guy that was on defensive side, what are the most important things a quarterback to have that's most lethal against the defense?

Speaker 11 Well, I think he knew where the ball needed to go very quickly, and his accuracy was there.

Speaker 11 And I think as people kind of cut up to it and they lost some of the vertical presence from Tyreek, you know, when you have those two guys that can burn Tyreek and Jalen Waddell, it puts a lot of stress on defense.

Speaker 11 But now, when you only have one vertical threat to worry about, the game changes a little bit. But I think what allowed him to be successful is he understood that offense.

Speaker 11 He knew where the ball needed to go. He played with great accuracy and anticipation and just hasn't quite been the same this year.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's move away from just Tua in Miami, even though that's huge news. I mean, he was the number five overall pick to the Miami Dolphins, obviously coming out of Alabama, a lot of success.

Speaker 2 Mike McDaniel got hired there to make Tua great just a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 They're going to take on the biggest dead cap in the history of the NFL if they decide to cut Tua, which we all assume will happen. Good luck to him in the future.

Speaker 2 We can't wait to see what's next for all parties there. Speaking of the future, Carolina Panthers aren't ass.
Hey, that's good news, right?

Speaker 2 Don't we think that's good news that they're not ass? Like, why do you think that is? Why do you think that is the case?

Speaker 2 It feels like the vibes around the whole team vastly different than it was just two years ago. Is it as easy as bringing in Morgan and Canalis?

Speaker 2 What do you think you felt down there with this Panthers team?

Speaker 11 Well, I think they've been very

Speaker 11 particular in how they've built the team, right? So Bryce is rookie, or he got sacked like

Speaker 11 53 times. So, all right, what are we going to do? We got to address the offensive line.
We bring in Damian Lewis and Robert Hunt in free agency.

Speaker 11 We have Austin Corbett, and then we have two guys we drafted at both tackles. So in one offseason, they fix the offensive line.
Last year, we played really well up front.

Speaker 11 We've had some injuries, and then last year, the issue was we're not very good on defense. We struggle up front.
We don't have a ton of depth. So what do they do?

Speaker 11 You know, Derek Brown comes back, obviously, from injury. They bring in Tershawn Wharton.
They bring in Bobby Brown.

Speaker 11 They draft some guys in the printer, Nick Scorton and Princely, Yuman Miellen, who's an old missed guy. So we have a combination of free agency and then draft picks.

Speaker 11 And I think the one guy that's helped us a ton has been Trayvon Merrig. We brought him over from the Raiders.

Speaker 11 He's able to do a little bit of everything. He can line up as a safety.
He can line up at the nickel position. He can line up at Will linebacker.

Speaker 11 He gives us a ton of versatility on the defensive side of the ball. So I think

Speaker 11 Dan and Dave have done a really good job of saying, hey, we need to control up front. So first offseason, we go draft offensive line, bring offensive linemen into free agency.

Speaker 11 Year two, we take care of the defense. And then year three, I think, is where they are really expecting to kind of take off.

Speaker 2 Do you know the rest of the 53-man roster? And I'd like to hear everything about them, please. Could you?

Speaker 11 We've got good young players everywhere.

Speaker 11 And a lot of it is just you got to grow with these young guys, right? You know, on the offense side of the ball at the skilled position, we've got JT Sanders, second-year tight end.

Speaker 11 Jalen Coker's, our slot guy we brought in. He was an undrafted free agent, but great size and catch radius, year two.
You know, Laguette, year two. Our first-round pick, T-Mac, great player, year one.

Speaker 11 So it's a lot of that at that skill position. It's just young guys.
And you got to play with young guys when you have them. And sometimes they're great.
Sometimes you have those young mistakes.

Speaker 11 But as overall, our young guys at skill position are great dudes. They play really hard and they're going to continue to learn.

Speaker 2 Man, they cook your ass. It'd be a milk check every single time with this guy right here.
That's who they're looking for out there, Luke.

Speaker 2 Ganalis seems to have a good brain down there for the offensive system with Bryce Young. Go ahead, D-Bud.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Luke, it's a lot of great brains right now on offense around the league. McVay, Ben Johnson, Shanahan.
In your opinion, what's like the toughest offense to face right now?

Speaker 6 And what makes like a great play call, in your opinion?

Speaker 11 I think the ability to set plays up, right? So they're going to show you a look.

Speaker 11 They're going to have two or three run plays off that look, and they're going to have two or three pass plays off that look.

Speaker 11 And I think, you know, there's the Shanahan, McVay, that pre-snap motion, that pre-snap shift, I think is really good.

Speaker 11 And just a good example of that is, you know, McVay will line up or Shanahan will line up, kiddo on one side of the offensive line, and then line up Hughes Check on the other side of the offensive line.

Speaker 11 And those guys are kind of interchangeable. So

Speaker 11 there's really no run tell. There's no pass tell.
They can check it at the line of scrimmage, and then they start shifting and motioning, and it goes from two by two to three by one pre-snap.

Speaker 11 And then on the snap, there's a guy coming back across the formation. So they're going to give you so many looks pre-snap.
They're going to shift guys.

Speaker 11 They're going to move guys as the ball gets snapped. And all that does to the defense is it gets you moving sideways pre-snap.
It gets your communication off. Maybe it messes with safety rotation.

Speaker 11 And then the ball gets snapped. Your feet aren't set.
You're not where you need to be. Your eyes are in the wrong spot.

Speaker 11 So then that half second that it takes you to get to where you need to be, they've got angles on you in the run game. Kittles run past you.

Speaker 11 They just do a great job of window dressing and showing you stuff. And then, boom, snap the ball and it's on you right now.

Speaker 2 Okay, so let's continue this conversation about what you just basically alluded to there. You go from two by two to three by one.
So you close, close, close, boop, boop, boop, boop, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 2 Then quarterbacks also Apple, Apple to the second play into the third different formation that they were in. But you were a little bit different on defensive side.
Go ahead, AQ.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Luke, I remember game planning for you when you were in Carolina, and it was always when you guys would go double A gap, we would always have to like dummy point just to try and get you off because you were so good at switching the blitzes, understanding the protection and getting the right check up.

Speaker 1 How much power and how much freedom did you have when you were doing that? Or was that more part of the call and part of the game plan?

Speaker 11 A lot of it was just part of what we were trying to do. And I think Sean McDermott was our coordinator for a long time in Carolina.

Speaker 11 He did a really good job of saying, hey, what do you guys like doing? What do you feel comfortable with? And then he'd go into the game and say, hey, what are you guys seeing and hearing on the field?

Speaker 11 And then we were able to kind of switch stuff up during the game based on what we saw. Thomas Davis was really good at it too.
So we had our set rules.

Speaker 11 And then inside of those rules, we had the ability to try to figure out, hey, if we're double mugged and the center comes to me, Thomas, you take over the blitz, right?

Speaker 11 Then it's, you know, could be a one-on-one on the running back.

Speaker 10 Boom.

Speaker 11 If they turn to Thomas, then Luke, you go blitz and have a one-on-one at the running back.

Speaker 11 So we were just always trying to find ways within the defense, within the system, to find the best opportunity to create an advantage for us.

Speaker 2 Was there anybody that you knew inside and out, and you just couldn't give away that you knew them inside and out? Like, you almost know it too good.

Speaker 2 We don't want them to know that we know it too good. So, is there a couple plays where maybe you like, oh, you got me on that one? Like, you kind of do there in early in the game?

Speaker 2 Like, how did you play once you got a really good beat on somebody, which in our eyes, in the way you are talked about by literally everybody, is you had a good beat on everybody.

Speaker 2 But is there anybody that you had like locked in very early that you didn't want to give away, if that makes sense or not, almost play poker with?

Speaker 11 Yeah, the most difficult group was always the Saints with Breeze and Sean Payton because my whole time in Carolina, all eight years, it was Drew Brees and Sean Payton. So they knew us, we knew them.

Speaker 11 Our system on defense, we had three coordinators. McDermott left and then Steve Wilkes went to Arizona and then we had Eric Washington my last year.
Our system was very similar year in and year out.

Speaker 11 Their system was very similar year in and year out. So it was always within that game, you were always thinking, why are they showing me this look right now?

Speaker 11 What is this look meant to show me that, you know, and then they're going to come back to it in the second half and run something off of it.

Speaker 11 So when we'd come to the sideline, we'd be like, all right, this is the formation, this is the look, this is the play that they ran.

Speaker 11 And then you kind of had to look at it from their perspective, an offensive perspective, and say, hey, what else can they do from this set that would give us issues?

Speaker 11 So that was kind of always the game within the game of, all right, this is what it looked like in the first quarter. This is what it's going to look like in the second quarter.

Speaker 11 From their perspective, where else can they attack us? And that's kind of what we looked at.

Speaker 2 How about Peyton Manning told Ray Lewis that they had 12? It's like one of the, it's a legendary clip where he's like, you got 12, Ray. You got 12, Ray.
You got 12. And you see Ray like.

Speaker 2 It causes timeout and they actually, they actually do have 12 or whatever, you know, and Peyton Ray obviously played against each other a lot. They have a lot of respect for each other.

Speaker 2 And I don't know why Peyton told him at that point, other than just maybe do shit talk, Ray, that he alpha moves. Hey, I am in there.

Speaker 2 But for you, whenever it came to understanding what the other team was going to do, and when did it was that film study? You talked about it being live in there.

Speaker 2 And is there anybody that you felt bad for? Was there anybody that after the game, you were like, hey, you guys, literally.

Speaker 1 the most predictable team in the history of football.

Speaker 2 Like you need to maybe work on some stuff in that entire thing. Did anybody ever ask you about that? Like, hey, what are our giveaways to you? Would you ever give that up?

Speaker 2 Like, can you go behind the scenes a little bit as being known as the Nostradamus of football and how offensive teams would treat a relationship with you?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think I always felt like in Carolina, our coaches did a great job of preparation. Hey, these are top run formations.
These are top sets. This is where they're trying to get to.

Speaker 11 And then we would always talk about within our defense, what stresses us? Where are the natural stressors

Speaker 11 that we have in our defense? And played a lot of, you know, cover three, single high defense. We brought very, some slot pressures.
Where are the issues in that defense?

Speaker 11 So you'd always have that in the back of your mind. And then the film study to me was a huge advantage.
You guys know how it is. You always look to find an advantage before the game starts.

Speaker 11 And for me, the film study was something that I really enjoyed. And if you could steal three or four plays during a game just based on what you've watched, I think it's super helpful.

Speaker 11 And then also, the more you watch in the game, you know, in the NFL, the more you get a feel for how offenses are trying to attack teams.

Speaker 11 And that kind of carries over from, say, we're playing Shanahan one week, and then we go play, you know, McVay, and they're the same kind of a defense. Where did Shanahan give us issues?

Speaker 11 Because, you know, McVay went and watched that tape, and he's going to have something that's similar to that. So I think we did a great job.

Speaker 11 In the meeting rooms with the coaches, we took practice very seriously. We wanted to get things right.
We had a bunch of older guys on our team that loved practice and loved doing things right.

Speaker 11 And then we transition it to the film room after practice. And you kind of put all three of those together and you roll it out for the game and you feel pretty good about it.

Speaker 2 December 22nd, Monday Night Football Playbook with Next Gen Stats. Luke Keekly will be live in real time telling you exactly what every other team is going to do alongside an AI model.

Speaker 2 That was one of the founders is Sean Lee, former NFL linebacker. And he's going to make a bazillion dollars off of this.

Speaker 2 I mean, if he's in the middle of an AI company that is now sponsoring a Monday night football assignment, congrats, Sean.

Speaker 2 Hey, Sean, congratulations to you as well, Sean.

Speaker 6 Are we calling out plays, Luke?

Speaker 1 Yeah, what's going on?

Speaker 2 Yeah, how is that going to go?

Speaker 11 That's what's going to be exciting. I think a lot of it will be.

Speaker 1 Do you still got it, Luke?

Speaker 2 Do you still got it or no?

Speaker 11 I guess we got to tune in next week and see what's going on.

Speaker 11 It'll be fun.

Speaker 11 I think I'm looking forward to most is I'll talk defensive perspective and then Orlofsky will have his side and we'll kind of, I'm sure there's going to be some back and forth on, hey, this is what Dan sees.

Speaker 11 This is what I see. Hey, it's third and seven, you know, in the minus side of the field.
What's the defensive perspective here? You know, everyone talks about, Pat, you know about this.

Speaker 11 On the plus side of the field, are we trying to bump a team out of field goal range? What's the approach? You know, is third and seven blitz package different than a third and three blitz package?

Speaker 11 I think that's all stuff that we're going to try to figure out and talk about during the game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. And Dan Orlovsky needs to tighten up here over the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What's today's date? December 17th. This is on the 20th.
This is Monday night.

Speaker 1 Dan's ready.

Speaker 2 He needs to be. I mean, there's a chance you get exposed out there, Dan Orlofsky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Luke Keekly on the other side.

Speaker 2 I mean, there is a chance. He's got an AI model working against him potentially and a human AI in Luke Keekly.

Speaker 2 Dan Orlovsky's the only non-AI out there. Feodiates is fantasy football AI, right? Luke Keekly is defensive football AI, right? I think if we were to get, and then actual AI model founded by Sean Lee.

Speaker 3 Okay, so we got Solian Wazowski Orlowski coming in.

Speaker 1 Exactly. We was just doing fun day Monsters Inc last week.
Dan! Range bad.

Speaker 2 Dan, tighten it up, Dan. Good luck, Dan.
Tighten it up, Dan. We need you out there.

Speaker 2 Dan might also need to be speaking to the humans that are watching that that aren't specifically dialed in to every single nose about number three in the tray over there.

Speaker 2 But I am excited to kind of learn a lot more about ball, especially through your eyes. We're all such massive fans of yours.

Speaker 2 And obviously, your defense defense was a massive piece of making it to the super bowl that year feels like the cyclality

Speaker 2 word you would tell me i don't know boston college guy this the cyclality in the cyclicalness in the cyclical cyclical nature nature of football

Speaker 2 yeah you got it just use that in the show uh it feels like we have come back to a very physical style and maybe defense go ahead ty yeah luke as we've been looking at the playoff picture over the last several weeks it's become very apparent that there's maybe like four teams on both the NFC and AFC who could win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 Pause, hold on one second. Put it up, please.
Put it up. You can use it, buddy.
Book.

Speaker 2 You can use it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's a word.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 8 And like

Speaker 4 all eight of those teams, they all have unbelievable defenses. And we had Bruce Arians on yesterday and asked him that question.

Speaker 4 And he basically said, like, that's important, but if you don't have a quarterback who can score 30 points a game in the playoffs, it doesn't mean shit. You're not going to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 But would you be surprised if we're going back to that,

Speaker 4 like maybe, you know, like a 2000 Ravens, where if you have a truly elite defense and it's the best part of your team, then you don't necessarily need like a Josh Allen or one of those top five QBs in order to win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 11 Well, I think if you talk to anybody in the AFC, the last team that they want to play right now is the Houston Texans. I mean, that defense has played extremely well.

Speaker 11 D'Amico Ryan or D'Amico has those guys rolling.

Speaker 11 And I think they're going to keep getting better on offense. C.J.
Stroud probably hasn't had the year that he's wanted, but they're big. They can run.
Nico Collins is a really good football player.

Speaker 11 So I think the defenses certainly play a role in this. But I think, you know, I don't disagree.
I think having guys like Josh Allen always gives you an opportunity to win games.

Speaker 11 But on that AFC, you got the Broncos and you got the Texans. Those defenses are really daggone good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, here's what the current playoff picture looks like. And to your point about the Houston Texans, they could be the seventh seed.
They could end up AFC South champion.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's a chance chance they have to take on anybody, but if it's Patriots, Texans, obviously Drake May and the Patriots have been successful.

Speaker 2 Trayvion Henderson has done his thing, but the Houston Texans make everybody's offense look like ass.

Speaker 2 They literally, they bring the Boo Birds out every single time they are playing in somebody else's stadium because of how great they are.

Speaker 2 So if you have an elite quarterback, I guess that's the only way you can really beat them, like Josh Allen just did, coming back from being down 21.

Speaker 2 So I guess Bruce Arian's point is valid, but it used to be like you just need a defense that's like

Speaker 2 able to get a stop whenever you need it. Now it feels like some of these defenses are full game,

Speaker 2 pounding, lower score type games. Is that what the playoffs look like? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'll be excited to see what the fan reaction will be if it is a defensive dominant run to the Super Bowl for any of these squads. We can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 2 Good representatives in the AFC and the NFC.

Speaker 2 Hey, we are in a good place when it comes to the ball. Up and to the right, everything.
And that starts tomorrow night. Thursday night football, Rams and Seahawks.

Speaker 2 And then Monday Monday night, Colts versus Niners. And that'll have a playbook with next-gen stats available alongside of it with Luke Keekly's big-ass brain breaking it all down.

Speaker 1 Philip Rivers?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Luke,

Speaker 2 you think Phil Rivers is going to be predictable, Luke? Yeah, fucking right. Okay, good luck.

Speaker 1 You might get it all wrong out there, brother.

Speaker 2 Okay. You might have no shot.
We'll have it on in

Speaker 2 the suite. We will have it audio all the way up so we sound smart whenever we're watching.
And I'll be excited for you to continue to add to this world of analytics while also using ball.

Speaker 2 Now, on that point, last question. Go ahead, Con man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Luke from Massachusetts. Last time I went to a BC football game, you were playing on the field.

Speaker 3 Thank you for your service and thank you for kind of showing me I will never be successful while playing college football because of how good you were.

Speaker 3 But looking at the analytics and the stats, you know, this is what your Monday Night Football is centered around.

Speaker 3 How do you feel about NFL coaches kind of centering their decision making around statistics? It feels like it's going to be part of football no matter what.

Speaker 3 Analytics, you know, they do help, but sometimes they hurt you more than you help you.

Speaker 3 How do you feel about that entire thing really with coaches using it to decide whether to go for fourth down, to punt the ball, those types of things?

Speaker 11 Well, I think the advantage is when you trust the numbers. If you're going to be an analytics guy, the best way to be is to say, hey, every time it says go, we go.

Speaker 11 Every time it says don't go, we don't go.

Speaker 11 I think when you get in trouble is when you're like, you get emotion gets involved into the decision and you say, hey, it's a strong, strong go for it hey we're not feeling it the momentum's not there our guys aren't rolling in the right direction i think in order to be successful over time using the analytics and that's ultimately the goal of why you use analytics it's not for the isolated time it's for hey over the course of the season if we listen to what the numbers are going to say we're going to have an advantage over teams that don't that's the best way to do it and the worst way to do it is to kind of pick and choose and get emotional and when you get emotional things things don't work out and and the models don't work the way they're supposed to oh no i think the numbers i think they got luke that doesn't sound like no he's got olsen right

Speaker 2 it's him and it's every guy jj versus football you know i mean we don't love it you know see he's doing an analytics now show

Speaker 1 sounds like black guy hates ball hey don't forget ball luke please don't forget that these are humans i know you're not one huh it's still ball you asked me the question about analytics and just gotta you gotta trust it.

Speaker 11 If you're an analytics guy, you gotta trust it and take the emotion out of it. Didn't say when I coached seventh and eighth grade football, that's how we do it.

Speaker 11 We lean a little bit more into emotion, but for the,

Speaker 1 there we go.

Speaker 11 I'm coming back full circle.

Speaker 1 Ball guy. Yeah, Bush comes to show.
We know what you'll do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, whatever you need to win. With your big brain, I need you to help me here.
And it doesn't look like you eat any of these.

Speaker 2 Last night, the only sweets that were available at my house was this box of chocolates.

Speaker 1 I want 0 for 3.

Speaker 2 I want 0 for 3. And a lot of people tell me, you need to look at the legend to know what they are.
There was no legend on this box, okay? This was an actual box of chocolates.

Speaker 2 You never know what you're going to get.

Speaker 1 I want O for three, the first three.

Speaker 2 All three ass ones. You know, that raspberry one that's in there,

Speaker 2 some other ass one, some other ass one. Which one would you go with next here, Luke, just using your brain and ability to predict things if you had to look at this particular box of chocolates?

Speaker 11 Reading the legends, like reading instructions, you just, you don't do it. You just go in there and dig in and find the one that looks the best.

Speaker 11 I mean, the first one that grabs my eye is that one with the white icing on top of it.

Speaker 2 The drizzle or the sprinkle?

Speaker 11 The drizzle one. That one looks good to me.
It looks like it would have a little crunch, might have like a caramel, caramel filling on the inside. That one looks pretty safe to me.

Speaker 1 That's a caramel, Luke. That's not cool.
Yeah, it might be cooking. Come on, Reef.
Luke, you have watched the film. You don't eat sweets.

Speaker 1 We'll see you on Monday night.

Speaker 2 We appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you for your service, the ball.
You're the man.

Speaker 2 Thanks, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, Luke Keekwee.

Speaker 1 Hello.

Speaker 2 That drizzle one has the soft inside cream.

Speaker 2 That's probably the fourth worst one in that thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's never eaten out of one of those boxes before because in the, I don't know, 100 years they've been doing that. That one with the white drizzle on top has never had caramel inside of it once.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I didn't select it because I knew there was probably some ass in there. But I'm going to say, they're disguising these ones pretty good now.
I thought I had the peanut one.

Speaker 1 Peanut cluster?

Speaker 2 Multiple times. And it was something vastly different.
I'm

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 2 want a couple of those.

Speaker 2 So then I go to the next one. I'm like, let me go get this one.
Raspberry inside. That did not, you used to look different.

Speaker 4 Those ones are deceiving. If you don't have the legend, those will, because those sometimes do look like they have caramel in the center.

Speaker 1 Oh, for three. That's better.
That's tough. That's tough.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Put the top back on.

Speaker 1 Done with this thing. Yeah, that's why I see them all.

Speaker 6 Assortment of things. I hate random shit.
I like to know exactly what I'm going to get. I want 12 of the same thing.

Speaker 1 I want Reese's. All of them.

Speaker 2 That's what I want.

Speaker 1 But I want to let you know.

Speaker 2 The reality of the situation was I had that thing

Speaker 2 staring at me. And I opened it, and boy, I did one of these.
Blew the new healer dog running into my leg.

Speaker 2 Try and figure this thing out. Please sit.
I'll give you one.

Speaker 1 Can't.

Speaker 2 This thing probably could just eat that whole thing of chocolate and survive. This thing's a house horse.

Speaker 1 It's out of rage.

Speaker 2 But he was laughing at me too.

Speaker 1 Give him a couple

Speaker 2 as I was in the middle of it. I'm like, you need to get off my ass.

Speaker 1 Dogs still can't eat chocolate? No.

Speaker 1 No, never. We gotta evolve, man.
Come on. It's like the Achilles.

Speaker 2 It's the Achilles for a dog.

Speaker 2 Even if this thing's a horse, which it clearly is.

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Speaker 2 Football! He's awesome, and week 16 of the NFL season kicks off tomorrow as the NFC West will be on showcases

Speaker 2 the Los Angeles Rams with Matthew Stafford,

Speaker 2 MVP at the age of 39, 40 years old.

Speaker 1 Good for me.

Speaker 2 Potentially.

Speaker 2 Leading a Rams team that could be the number one seed, leading a Rams team that could win another Super Bowl, leading a Rams team that was supposed to be in the middle of a turnover, heading up to Seattle to take on a brand new Seahawks culture.

Speaker 2 Brought to it by McDaniel or McDonald. I'm sorry, not McDaniel.
McDaniel just fired his quarterback.

Speaker 2 McDonald up there in Seattle with Sam Darnold leading the way on the offensive side with a run game and a defense that is obviously incredible. Seattle and the 12s will be on display.
5.15 local time.

Speaker 1 We got to remember that.

Speaker 2 Okay. So every time we have primetime game, we're obviously excited.
People are out of work, have been out of work, have a chance to even go home, get changed, head to stadium.

Speaker 2 Thursday, 5.15 local time. Okay, so that's an interesting kind of dynamic for this.
They'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 They're a great fan base, but I'm excited to see Seattle on full display, especially in a divisional rivalry game for the number one and winning of the division, basically.

Speaker 2 So tomorrow should be special. That's what week 16 will kick off with in the NFL.
And then in college football, we got to play us, baby.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 2 We got to play us this week.

Speaker 1 Friday, it's Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 We got a college game day, I believe, two hours, six to eight live from Oklahoma as Alabama will travel to take on the Sooners. Cannot wait for this particular matchup.

Speaker 2 I think it's going to be a beautiful one. Bama, favored by one and a half on the road.
And then we'll travel down to college station. College game day will be nine to noon.

Speaker 2 Noon kickoff as AM hosts the Miami Hurricanes. And then at 3:30 on True TV, Tulane will take on Ole Miss and JMU will finish out the day taking on Oregon in Otson on True TV as 21-point underdogs.

Speaker 2 Live from Hammer Don Don. AP Tone, Bama, favored in Oklahoma, AM favored by three.
Any surprises on those numbers?

Speaker 2 And what are you looking forward to most this first weekend of the college football playoff?

Speaker 13 No, I don't think there's any surprises in those first two games as far as the number or any game as far as the number is concerned.

Speaker 8 Bama outgained Oklahoma in that first game.

Speaker 13 Now it was at Alabama by 200 yards. They kind of dominated the game, but there was a pick six for Oklahoma's defense and they forced two fumbles.
That was kind of the story of the game in that one.

Speaker 13 The Oklahoma defense got the better of it as far as the turnovers were concerned.

Speaker 13 So like, yes, Alabama should be favored, but also Alabama has kind of played like shit since then. They had a close one against Auburn.

Speaker 13 They obviously got blown out in the SEC championship against Georgia.

Speaker 13 And Oklahoma's had some time to potentially get their offense fixed and get back to kind of what they were at the beginning of the season. So that one's kind of a coin flip and the line shows that.

Speaker 13 And then when you go to AM and Miami, when you go to minus three, like when you're looking at sports books and numbers, the home field advantage is normally around two and a half to three points. So

Speaker 13 if you want to look at it like that, they kind of have these two teams as even, which is kind of what everyone else thinks is as well. They are very evenly matched.
They both have incredible D-lines.

Speaker 13 They both have incredible offensive lines. And they have playmakers on the outside on both sides of the ball.
So that one kind of has those two teams rated evenly, which I don't disagree with at all.

Speaker 13 And then obviously you have the two big spreads between the more dominant teams versus the group of five teams.

Speaker 2 Tulane plus 17 and a half, we like?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Really? They lost to Utza.

Speaker 7 So like, here's the thing with JMU and Tulane, okay?

Speaker 13 Listen, and the Roadrunners are very, very good at home.

Speaker 1 I think we're holding too much.

Speaker 13 I think we're doing Tulane a disservice or the Roadrunners a disservice with that.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 2 I don't see the Roadrunners in the first weekend of college football playoff, but hey, maybe they should be. Maybe they should be.

Speaker 1 Something to think about. They got a gripe.
Especially with how bad they beat the hell out of the number 11 team in the country in the college football playoff.

Speaker 13 But JMU, like, statistically, is top 10 in basically every single stat on defense. Their defense has been dominant.

Speaker 13 Their offense is number five in the country in rushing at like 245, 250 yards a game, but their strength of schedule is 121st. So they haven't really done it against them.

Speaker 8 But at least the teams they play, they dominate.

Speaker 1 Tulane.

Speaker 13 Still not a great schedule, and their stats aren't great either.

Speaker 2 And our coach, what, is already in Florida.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at halftime, he's leaving halfway.

Speaker 1 No, halftime's doing a great job.

Speaker 8 He's sleeping two hours.

Speaker 13 He's doing his job at both places. He donated $100,000 back to Tulane.

Speaker 2 Very nice of him. Him putting a Florida hat on at halftime to call some recruits and then putting a Tulane visor back on for the second time.

Speaker 1 Gonna go, gotta go.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's just multitasking to a T. And I appreciate the fact that he's still doing it with Tulane and they're still trying to go for it.

Speaker 2 But that dude definitely only cares about what Florida's got going on actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he knows I can't win at all.

Speaker 13 JMU's the same. JMU's had coaches that go in UCLA.

Speaker 4 He was actually just on Jim Rome. I think it was either yesterday or two days ago.
And I don't know if there was one question about JMU. They're playing in a playoff game on Friday.

Speaker 4 He was just kidding.

Speaker 1 I mean, hammered about UCLA. Saturday, they're playing.

Speaker 1 It was fucked. Who cares? Even further away.

Speaker 6 What's that? Yeah, better enjoy it because it's a long road getting there from UCLA. Big back to your shot to shine.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Rose Bowl is obviously awesome, but the Big Ten is going to be a tough road to get to the college football playoffs. So maybe he should enjoy every moment there with JMU.

Speaker 2 And also, maybe this isn't it for JMU. Boys looked big, looked athletic.

Speaker 8 I had a great new head coach.

Speaker 2 Is he coaching this weekend?

Speaker 8 No, Billy Napier. Um he's gonna be on the sidelines, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's going there for a year.

Speaker 3 And then he's going somewhere else.

Speaker 2 No, we don't know if that's true with Billy Napier, but maybe there's a chance that it happens. That's uh, ladies and gentlemen, that's A.P.
Town, Texas.

Speaker 3 Apparently Tom Tech.

Speaker 2 Joining us now is a man who's won a college football national championship, a guy who will be on the sideline down there at college station calling for the field pass, ESPN.

Speaker 2 people thought that was a giveaway

Speaker 2 yeah but a lot of people at Texas A ⁇ M uh sending me messages and tweets and stuff like that saying uh hey for your field pass me and my husband have been diehard Texas A ⁇ M Aggie fans we would love to stand on the sideline with you as if it was like a giveaway and I want to tell them you can be on the sideline with us just through ESPN too we will be on in the simulcast but the field pass for some reason I think got I don't know if it got on a message board or something but there was an abundance of people that were like hey how do i win the field pass uh me and my friend have obviously been die-hard aggies who used to be a yell leader 20 years ago looking to get back like all those types of things so we will not be having anybody else with us this credentials are actually very difficult uh to get you have to have very important jobs to get down there

Speaker 2 and obviously whenever you're standing on a sideline trying not to ruin a game and being dipshits who are incredibly lucky that is uh deemed acceptable i guess and we are confused by it as well but we will be down there and we are very thankful for it.

Speaker 2 Not only us down there, it will also be, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, A.J. Hawk.

Speaker 2 Hawker, just a few days from college football playoff field pass, brother. This is a great time of year.
How are you feeling just a few days out?

Speaker 12 I'm feeling great. I think it's going to be awesome.
I think the whole college football playoffs will be great, but this game is kind of a marquee matchup, I think, in this first round.

Speaker 12 I'm looking forward. Hopefully, there is a random couple there that gets to stand there and stare at us through the simulcast.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and maybe there will be. And there'll be somebody that'll be holding a monitor, and that person will just be

Speaker 2 just no idea what's going on. Had never seen football before, has no idea what we're doing there, but certainly getting a paycheck for them being there.
And we're appreciative of them getting a job.

Speaker 2 But there will be a little self-awareness class that'll be happening throughout the entire first quarter.

Speaker 2 We assume Spanks will be doing his thing, dropping in from the uprights onto our head, telling us we need to back up because he's got a shot that needs to be on TV for 14 seconds.

Speaker 2 So, you know, that'll all happen. This has kind of become a part of the field pass process, but we're incredibly lucky to do it.

Speaker 2 We're very thankful for the folks from Texas A ⁇ M for being as hospitable as they have been. And also, Mario Cristobal in Miami, we're getting a production meeting.

Speaker 2 We're getting a chance to talk to the coaches before calling the game. Let's go.

Speaker 1 That has never happened before.

Speaker 2 AJ, this is a big deal, AJ.

Speaker 12 This is a very big deal. If you remember,

Speaker 12 me and you had a production meeting years ago with Matt Rule when he was at Baylor. And that was a fun experience.
So, yeah, I'm excited to talk to these coaches.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm excited to get a little bit of a heads up on what we should be looking for as opposed to

Speaker 2 getting dropped in there blind without being able to see anybody's names or numbers or anything like that. So it should be a fun time, fun experience.

Speaker 2 And in theory, the show should get better because of this. It should.

Speaker 6 I love the insight we're going to get from these coaches.

Speaker 2 I got some good questions to ask. I think just one question probably for each of us.
We promised them a six-minute call.

Speaker 1 That's perfect.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so let's make sure we're not taking a lot of their time. But yeah, that's a classic.

Speaker 2 Hey, just need, you know, somebody will come up and try to pitch something in life and they'll say, I just need five minutes of your time. Way too much.
Never expect five minutes from anybody's time.

Speaker 2 That is a crazy number to say. 90 seconds sounds amazing.
That's going to be five seconds or five minutes, probably six minutes. But you need to get in the door with 90 seconds.

Speaker 2 That's what we did with these production meetings. Good.
Hey, we just need five minutes. Just five minutes.
Can we just get a little bit of a thing?

Speaker 2 That obviously is going to creep into eight, nine, maybe 10. Sure.
But we can't be getting to 15. That would be egregious.

Speaker 2 So we just got to know that there is a sliding window of amount of time that they're expecting, and it's not a lot. We can steal a few on the back end, but we need to be respectful of the time.

Speaker 2 And Debut, you getting more questions than the rest of us? Definitely,

Speaker 2 you'll be in front of the line.

Speaker 1 I just need one. Just one go.

Speaker 2 No, no, but you go front of the line and then we'll go back.

Speaker 1 But if there's another rep, you'll be in the front of the line.

Speaker 2 You know, like off-season workouts, the terrible workouts.

Speaker 2 What part of the line you're in is obviously a massive piece of the amount of reps that you're going to get. So you don't want to be too obvious that you're trying to get to the back of the line.

Speaker 2 So you try to sneak in maybe two from the end because they are going to attack the people that are at the back and put them into the front because that's an extra rep.

Speaker 2 You see, if this is a three-minute drill and there's a certain amount the people at the front of the line are going to get the extra until the time runs out so i i learned that early i was in front of the line early because i wanted to be a guy you know i'll go first freshman set to tone why is everybody why is everybody so yeah pat go ahead and then i get through

Speaker 2 oh my god and then i gotta go again oh no bad idea so next year sophomore year obviously we don't want to go all the way to the back i've i've played poker since you know i'm 10 years old we can't be overselling this thing so you go from two you know from the end get in there, and then all of a sudden, classic next year, Rich Rod grabs the entire back line, puts him up in the front, says congratulations.

Speaker 2 And now guess who's

Speaker 1 smarter than everybody.

Speaker 2 I felt like a genius. Next year did the same thing.
Fun game. He took the entire back half of the line, put him up in the front half of the line.

Speaker 2 So, you know, you're always evolving, always changing, but you certainly can be front of the line whenever it comes to questions.

Speaker 2 So that if we get to the front and we steal another minute or two, you can get it because your insight during the game is special. Same with you, AJ.

Speaker 2 I think we try to provide actual ball knowledge while calling the game and following the game while providing something different. I do think we try that.

Speaker 2 And I think we've kind of gotten to the point where we kind of know it, Kai.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think so. I mean, at this point, how many of these have we done? You know, it's been more that we've been doing this for several years now.

Speaker 4 And I think that's just natural with the first, like you, like you mentioned this like a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 4 The first time you do it, it's like, okay, when you're on the sideline, we got to follow the ball.

Speaker 4 So like you, you, AJ, and D-Butt are just like kind of just walking around the perimeter of the entire field and then you realize like oh i just missed basically everything that happened on that drive trying to see everything so we got our spots you know like everyone kind of knows especially i think me digs and connor like we kind of know which spots are that hey this is a good a good portion for you to maybe have something you know whereas at the start it's kind of just like you know we're just trying to get our feet wet here and find out where we fit in and at this point i think like we kind of know how this experience is supposed to go and we don't want to do a disservice to ball right we understand we're having an opportunity that we should not have on that sideline.

Speaker 2 We're on ESPN too for a college football playoff game and we're standing on the field in front of 100.

Speaker 2 How many people tone at Kyle Field Dunner?

Speaker 7 110 is the record.

Speaker 2 Okay, playoff game. Let's assume it'll be 110,000 people.

Speaker 2 We very much understand we're not supposed to be there and we're very grateful for the opportunity to provide an alternative to the main broadcast, obviously, Kirk Herb Street. Is it?

Speaker 2 No, it's McDonough, I think, right? Because I think Herbie's calling Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so it'd probably be McDonough and and McElroy.

Speaker 2 Okay, so McDonough and McElroy will be on the call. We're on ESPN too.
Just an alternative, you know, if you want to come hang with us, we will certainly be grateful.

Speaker 2 And this is one of the really, really, really, really cool parts of licensing the show through ESPN and having access to this. So we're very, very thankful for the opportunity.

Speaker 2 Also, shout out to Peyton and Omaha who had this slot and then say, hey, do you want this slot now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much. We will just worry about this other one over here.
You got it. At the beginning of us us having this alt-cast deal,

Speaker 2 we did a couple in here.

Speaker 1 It was okay.

Speaker 3 It was okay. I mean, Mississippi State, Alabama, 31-0.
That wasn't okay. When we just threw the ball around a bit.

Speaker 1 Set a world record.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 2 Most completions during a blowout football game in the history of television, I would say. So we didn't have it, and we felt bad that we had the opportunity.
And it was ass. The show was ass.

Speaker 2 Like, we did not think it was good for ball. Once again, lucky to have these opportunities.

Speaker 2 Let's provide something for the good of ball, at least a little bit, even though I'm not everybody's cup of tea, so I ruin it for the rest of the crew to even have an opportunity because I'm a part of some things.

Speaker 2 But we do like to at least add and provide. The first few were bad.
As soon as we got on the sideline, it was like, this is, this is the one that we're supposed to be. Mostly me, ex-punter, kicker.

Speaker 2 I mean, I've been on sideline watching football a long time. Like, that is literally what my job was for a long time.
And then AJ and D-Buck get a chance to feel it and see it.

Speaker 2 And then the boys getting a chance to experience something that they could have never experienced. Their natural brains and talent is going to point out things.

Speaker 2 So I think we've got something that is good for ball as an alternative. And we're different than all the other alt casts.

Speaker 2 Just like Luke Keekly and Dan Orlofsky and Field Yates, it's different than everything else. I'm excited to see how it comes together.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was going to say, definitely don't be expecting the Monday Night Football playbook with next-gen stats if you're coming to watch our alt cast on Saturday.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because we have no idea. We would like to stress this again so you give us a little bit of grace whenever we're doing it.
I am calling play-by-play play-by-play for these games.

Speaker 2 I have no idea if it was a five-yard gain or a two-yard loss from where we were.

Speaker 1 It's possible.

Speaker 2 Which is a pretty important thing, especially whenever it's third-down or fourth down. So there is a little bit of that where I'm just watching Jumbotron trying to figure out what the hell happens.

Speaker 2 But other than that, we think we provide a pretty good vibe. So we hope you'll come hang with us.
And shout out to Texas A ⁇ M. I think we're getting...

Speaker 2 I think we're getting the full Aggie.

Speaker 1 Excuse me, sweet. Good matchup, too.

Speaker 6 Good matchup. But obviously, that matters.
It's been a good game. We've had the opportunity to be on the sideline with some great games and obviously some shite games.

Speaker 6 I expect this one to be a banger.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and J.J. Watt has no idea what it's like to do this on television for 25 minutes.
You know, because the game is 30 to nothing in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 There's still three minutes left there in that game. There's still another 25 minutes, and that's what we decided to do just basically for the entirety.
So now we're on the sidelines.

Speaker 2 So look how far we've come. It's a good time to catch up with this alt cast thing that we've been doing because this one's much better than the alternative.
Joining us now is a man who's in the booth.

Speaker 2 Must be nice. With a spotter, must be nice.
With some food, must be nice. An absolute legend who's earned all of it.

Speaker 2 A future first ballot Hall of Famer, a Houston Texan legend, and member of the Bull Ring of Honor.

Speaker 2 Ladies and gentlemen, the owner of the Burnley Football Club, which I watched the other day, it was on TV this weekend. I think it was on NBC or something this weekend.

Speaker 1 Did they win?

Speaker 2 No, I don't think so from the part that I saw.

Speaker 2 They were not winning at all.

Speaker 2 And also the Espanol soccer duper team over there in Spain. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Watts.

Speaker 2 What's up, Jage?

Speaker 10 Hey guys, how are we doing? I was just thinking this as you were talking about the altcast and I was just looking at the visual of all you guys on the sideline of Kyle Field.

Speaker 10 Have you ever done a MySpace top eight style ranking of the boys? Like every week, like who's your best friend? Who's on top of the show? Who's crushing? Who's not?

Speaker 2 No, that's also dance moms. I know what you're talking about, like a pyramid type thing.
You know, everybody's going to be fighting up the pyramid for the opportunity.

Speaker 2 We're all equals here, here, brother. You know, we're all equals here.
And everybody has the best week every week in their own ways. And once everybody starts thinking, then we'll start ranking.

Speaker 10 Participation trophies all around, boys. Congrats on the participation.
You did it.

Speaker 1 You did it. We're up 17%.

Speaker 3 Don't keep score, baby. Don't keep score.

Speaker 2 They are keeping score. We're up 17%.
Everybody's doing great.

Speaker 1 Hey, boys.

Speaker 1 Everybody's doing great. Good job, boys.
Everybody's doing great.

Speaker 1 Everybody's doing great.

Speaker 2 Really good job, boys. Real good job, boys.
Up 17%. We're up a lot last year, and we're up another one.
Yeah. So so everybody's jade everybody's doing good thanks everybody gets a deuce box sorry um

Speaker 2 is burnley worth a fuck uh is anybody getting judged over there is there

Speaker 1 a good texas state end game against miami

Speaker 10 that is gonna be a good matchup you guys are gonna be on the sidelines for hey we need you sometime to join us obviously because your height might help you actually kyle field is yeah

Speaker 10 i've always said this i've said this a long time if i was designing a football stadium kyle field would be the beginning template for what I would design.

Speaker 2 Okay, so have you been there? Because I think D-Butts landing in Houston, then driving over there. I think that it is in proximity of each other.
Texas, obviously, massive state.

Speaker 2 I've gotten a chance to go down there with Game Day. I haven't seen a game there.
I've only seen it from TV.

Speaker 1 It is awesome. What a special place, right? Is that kind of how everyone works?

Speaker 10 Unbelievable atmosphere. Yeah.
Obviously, they got some of their weird things that they do. But somehow it all works.
And on game day, it is phenomenal. What's weird, buddy?

Speaker 12 What's weird?

Speaker 10 I mean, I think they self-admit that it's weird, um, but just some of the things that they do

Speaker 10 just non-traditional, just different than other places.

Speaker 12 Um, but like college traditions that people have that we don't understand because we don't go there, is that what it is?

Speaker 10 Yes, it's exactly what I'm talking about. Oh,

Speaker 2 hey, I like age going to bat for the Texas AM people.

Speaker 1 I like you doing that.

Speaker 10 Can I not hype up Texas A ⁇ M?

Speaker 1 No, you're burying them, I think, is what Age is.

Speaker 12 I was trying to help you there. I was trying to help, but it's not weird, right? No, no, no.

Speaker 12 I'm a novice.

Speaker 10 This isn't what you get.

Speaker 11 But

Speaker 10 you don't just blindly toss the praise out and act like everything is 100% awesome.

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 10 we can be honest about things and be like, yeah. If you looked at it from, yeah, there's some things that people from other places look at and are like, all right, yeah, that's your thing.

Speaker 10 That's how you guys do it. I got it.

Speaker 10 But what I was saying, if I could get back to it, was that when it all comes together on game day, it's unbelievable. Everybody is packed on top of you.

Speaker 10 This is not one of those stadiums that they left extra room so that you could have soccer games and concerts and everything. They smushed this thing to the sidelines.

Speaker 10 They built it directly up into the sky and everything's looking down on you. It seems like that student section is going to topple onto the field.

Speaker 10 And when they play that power coming out onto the field, it is

Speaker 10 that place is cool. It's really, really special.
So I think it's going to be great. And obviously home of Shane Leckler.
So you got to give the shout out.

Speaker 2 We'll obviously talk about Shane Leckler, who needs to be in the Hall of Fame stat. I mean, that is, that is not even a question.

Speaker 2 Shane and Vinny going in same time would make a lot of sense, I think, because that's how kind of everybody kind of views those two respective positions.

Speaker 2 But Shane Leckler stud goes there as a quarterback, right? Didn't he go there as a quarterback? Yep.

Speaker 10 RC Slocum can still spin it.

Speaker 2 Can still absolutely spin it if he had to. Dude, perfect also down there.

Speaker 1 Your business partners, Kyle, went down there. There you go.

Speaker 10 Yep. Chuck something off the top deck.

Speaker 10 See if you can hit something.

Speaker 2 Maybe we do do that. Maybe we send somebody.
That's a good idea, Jage.

Speaker 4 Tyler's done it before.

Speaker 10 You're welcome. This sucker's always working up here, except for when it's not.

Speaker 2 Makes sense if you don't think about it. Let's go ahead and dump that because that is a really good idea.
So let's make sure that doesn't get out. We should have.

Speaker 2 You guys should maybe be standing up on the top deck and set everything right on top of each other.

Speaker 10 You guys should have a bunch of people. Connor, stand at the bottom and try and catch it.

Speaker 1 Oh, not a bad idea. Marshmallow, maybe.

Speaker 10 Or a football.

Speaker 3 Or a bowling ball.

Speaker 1 Sure, bowling ball.

Speaker 1 That'd be easy.

Speaker 2 All right. So this weekend college football playoff is awesome.
The NFL, too. We're in incredible time.
Tomorrow night, Rams and Seahawks kick off week 16. Saturday night, we got important football.

Speaker 2 Sunday night, we got important football. Monday night, we got important football.

Speaker 2 Feels like it's special, but also, if you look at the playoff picture currently, there's a chance we have no idea how this is all going to shape up.

Speaker 2 What are kind of your thoughts on this NFL season as this is the current playoff picture? but also none of this is set in stone.

Speaker 2 And for the first time since 2016, we enter a week 16 with no divisional champions yet. It feels like it's all very much up in the air, Jage.

Speaker 10 I feel like for fans, I mean, obviously outside of Kansas City, Philadelphia, and a couple of places that have traditionally kind of been there year after year, this is going to be the most fun playoffs that we've had in a while from a standpoint of it feels like we're going in and anybody could beat anybody.

Speaker 10 And you have no no idea what's going to happen.

Speaker 10 And so, as somebody who's obviously out of the game now, this is such a blast to watch because every week it feels like something new is happening, somebody new is popping up.

Speaker 10 Now, you've got the Broncos sitting there at 12 and 2, and I think the Rams

Speaker 10 Thursday night is going to be awesome, insane, because I think the Seahawks and Rams over there in the NFC are cream of the crop, and that'll be fun to see them both play.

Speaker 10 I don't love that it's on a short week where they don't get the full prep. I'd love to see it at full force.

Speaker 10 But who knows? Maybe we see it again at some point.

Speaker 10 But this playoffs, to me, tell me if I'm wrong, feels like one of the first in a long time where you're not penciling people in to move forward easily.

Speaker 2 No, absolutely not. And down the stretch, everything can kind of change too, which is special.

Speaker 2 I think the Rams are the only team we're all kind of high on, but then they lose to the Panthers three weeks ago and we turned our tune quickly.

Speaker 2 I mean, all it is, one loss to change the entire picture, especially with three weeks remaining in the NFL season. Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 12 Yeah, Jadri, look at those AFC teams over there in the playoff picture right now. I guess, which team do you trust the most to go on a run and potentially make it into the Super Bowl?

Speaker 10 I mean, obviously, I mean, the Texans' defense is unbelievable. And if C.J.

Speaker 10 Stroud plays like he has recently, where they're starting to figure themselves out, I obviously have a lot of high hopes for the Houston Texans.

Speaker 10 I think when you play defense at that level now, they've definitely lost some guys to injuries, which has hurt them a little bit, especially on the interior of that defensive line, which helps out the entire defense.

Speaker 10 But I mean,

Speaker 10 I've said this for a few weeks now. Like the Jaguars are underrated and I feel like they get disrespected a bit at many turns here.

Speaker 10 They're just quietly going about their business and improving every single game. And Trevor Lawrence is getting better and they're meshing together.

Speaker 10 So I think that's happened. And then I just got to watch it last weekend live and I'll see it again this weekend.
When Josh Allen goes Superman mode, you can't stop them.

Speaker 10 Like he, when he goes into that mode and they decide like they were down 21 to 0 zero on the road in a hat and t-shirt game and they found a way to turn it around.

Speaker 10 And then I asked them to put together the stats because I have them again this weekend. Josh Allen's first half to second half stats are unbelievable.
Let me lay this out for you here.

Speaker 10 First half, 64% completion percentage. Second half, 75%.

Speaker 10 First half, 95 yards per game. Second half, 139 yards per game.
First half, 10 touchdowns, six interceptions. Second half, 15 touchdowns, four interceptions.

Speaker 10 Now, here's where I think it is the biggest difference, and here's why I think it's different. Rushing.
Josh Allen in the first half, 35 rushes, 146 yards, three touchdowns.

Speaker 10 Josh Allen in the second half, 63 rushes, 389 yards, nine touchdowns.

Speaker 10 I think the defenses get worn out trying to contain him, keep him in the pocket, and keep this team bottled up. And the Patriots did an unbelievable job in the first half, keeping him bottled up.

Speaker 10 But I think you just get fatigued over over the course of a game, playing tight man, playing all these contains in the pocket, and then he just wears you down over the course of the game, sees you get tired and takes full advantage.

Speaker 2 It's the old Derrick Henry conversation whenever he's with the Titans.

Speaker 2 It's like, hey, what the first half is going to look like versus what the fourth quarter is going to look like very different with Derrick Henry. Now, that's because he was literally thumping him.

Speaker 2 You're saying the amount of effort that they are trying to put in into keeping him contained can wear you down a little bit.

Speaker 2 Stay with Superman that you're talking about with Josh Allen. Good, Debut.

Speaker 6 It kind of seemed inevitable, and it's going to be tough. We were talking about it yesterday.

Speaker 6 It's going to be tough for me, at least, to pick another team and quarterback specifically against Josh Allen once these playoffs start with Mahomes out of it. But you've had your eye on him.

Speaker 6 Is there enough around Josh Allen as far as the weapons on offense and then the defense, especially that run defense? Do you think it's enough for them to actually make a run when the playoffs come?

Speaker 10 I mean, I think the defense is the question. I think on offense, I think they...
I think their tight ends are such a massive key.

Speaker 10 I mean, you look at the numbers when Dalton Kincaid's on the field versus when he's off the field.

Speaker 10 When he's out out there he's able to do so much james cook is second leading rusher in the league could possibly get up there in the first category like just running all over when he runs wild their offense clicks um so i do think there's enough on the offensive side of the ball because josh is josh the defense is where you start to wonder and question about it now you have to give them credit while they got torched in the first half this last week.

Speaker 10 They did lock it down in the second half and they found a way to get close that game out. Massive moments.
They made plays. So you give them credit there.

Speaker 10 But even the week before against Cincinnati, you know, the big turnovers for touchdowns,

Speaker 10 they needed those big plays to do it.

Speaker 10 So if their defense can tighten it up, that's where it is. But like you said, Dee, but Superman is Superman.
And that Kansas City is not standing there in the way anymore.

Speaker 10 And I don't like that it's a consistent caveat that we're throwing on it, but it is what it is. That's the reality.

Speaker 2 Put scape on, baby. You know, especially whenever it's cold weather, what he's going to be able to do is amazing.
We just believe believe in Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 And I think, you know, the only thing that's waiting on a Josh Allen resume to be goaded is Lombardi. You know, and that's what all anybody says is: can he win, can he win, can he win?

Speaker 2 It's the same conversation that's happened with Lamar.

Speaker 2 No matter how great you are, no matter how many MVPs, no matter how many capes, Superman capes you put on and win games or how special you look like, then you get to a stage where it's like, well, how many Lombardi's do you have?

Speaker 2 Can you win the Lombardi? Because that'll be held against you forever. Is this the year that Josh Allen changes that? Start with hard knocks.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Announces a pregnancy, gets married,

Speaker 2 and wins a Lombardi.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 What a run for Josh Allen that would be.

Speaker 6 That franchise, too. Well, you know, because they had the four straight years, going, losing it.
If he can actually bring one to that,

Speaker 6 we all respect Bill's Mafia as a fan. Well, most of us respect him as a fan base.
That would be crazy at 17.

Speaker 2 New Stadium. I mean, this would be like the send-off of the last stadium.

Speaker 1 Oh, my.

Speaker 2 It's almost all written in the stars.

Speaker 2 It's all there. Are they still calling him ugly?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we don't have to get into that, I don't think. After the pregnancy,

Speaker 3 let's just say.

Speaker 2 He's not ugly.

Speaker 1 He's handsome.

Speaker 1 He's six foot.

Speaker 1 You don't got to tell me. He's six foot five.
What are you talking about here?

Speaker 3 The Haley Steinfeld heads.

Speaker 2 The Stein fans.

Speaker 3 The Stein fan stands. Get their name.
They think Josh is ugly, JJ. It's messed up.

Speaker 1 That's what they said.

Speaker 2 We don't like it at all. We've actually had to go to bat a couple different times.
And Josh, Josh, a friend of the government.

Speaker 10 Look at this panel. We're not the people here to be judging who looks how.

Speaker 3 Neither are these people.

Speaker 2 That's what we're saying, Jage. I appreciate you taking an opportunity to grandstand there.

Speaker 1 We're not saying that he is not attractive.

Speaker 2 What we're saying is they need to stop talking about our MVP like this.

Speaker 2 We don't like that. Josh is handsome.
He's six foot five.

Speaker 1 He's the MVP of the NFL. Cowboy.
Those little handsome models. Josh Allen would pick him up by the top of their head like this.

Speaker 2 Actually,

Speaker 1 smack them around.

Speaker 1 Smack them around. Who do they want?

Speaker 10 They like Chevrolet?

Speaker 1 Well, everybody likes Taylor. Everybody likes Timmy.
Everybody likes Timmy now.

Speaker 1 That's not the guy. That's not the guy.

Speaker 2 And he's with Kylie.

Speaker 10 I like Timmy.

Speaker 12 I'm saying it as a good thing.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 You guys are really just trying to throw me under the bus.

Speaker 1 Hey, it's got to be fun.

Speaker 5 It's got to be fun.

Speaker 2 I didn't know this was going to be the day, but I do appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Neither did I. How about AJ? That's all right.

Speaker 10 I got my shovel, big dog.

Speaker 1 I'll dig myself up.

Speaker 1 I'm all good. I ain't no problem.

Speaker 2 I mean, that started with AJ AJ going, what are you calling weird? Just real quick. You want to offend an entire group of people?

Speaker 10 He took a hit off his protein shake and all of a sudden turned into Lex Luther over there.

Speaker 2 No, I saw protein. That's the, what are those things? Aminos.
Aminos.

Speaker 1 Aminos. That's aminos.
Oh, you don't want to buy aminos?

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's why I speak like that.

Speaker 2 Jay, do you drink aminos all day? Is that something you do?

Speaker 10 I take aminos. I just had a shake after my workout with there were aminos.
I had DCA8. That tracks.

Speaker 1 God, you guys are the best.

Speaker 2 Remember Laurent Landry?

Speaker 6 He was taking more than Aminos.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 he had a red bottle.

Speaker 1 My guy. He had a red bottle.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's one of my favorite humans I've ever witnessed in real life. Just so entertaining, so positive, like legitimate.

Speaker 2 There's not a negative thing that I could say Lauron Landry brought into our locker room other than the fact that he arrived at 280 pounds. We signed him to safety.
He's 275, 280.

Speaker 2 And he decided, didn't tell anybody that he wanted to be a DN safety hybrid is what he wanted to do with the Colts.

Speaker 10 Obviously, fresh off the bottom of the combo.

Speaker 2 Which, I mean, it would have changed the game. Look the part.
There's a chance he could have done it. I mean, there was a chance he could have done it the first time he showed up.

Speaker 2 So I think there was an immediate like, well, this guy doesn't care at all. And then we start to like hear him, talk him, watch him.
It's like, this guy's the greatest.

Speaker 2 This guy is maybe one of the most entertaining, electrifying humans of all time. But he had a red bottle that was with him at all times.
I think it was even in his tights during practice.

Speaker 2 And just like AJ, AJ just had regular water there. There's a bottle right next to that.

Speaker 1 It's a red bottle that's always red. And the piss bottle.
Yeah, and there's a bottle attached to the table, obviously.

Speaker 2 And that's a yellow one. Yeah, right.
He's hydrated.

Speaker 1 It's light yellow, which is what we're looking to do.

Speaker 2 Let's pivot away from you two physical specimens and what you guys do on a day-to-day. And let's talk about a physical specimen that ended up in an unfortunate situation, your brother.

Speaker 2 Obviously, we've learned a lot about his situation through your Twitter account, whenever you broke the news.

Speaker 2 of like what actually happened and I feel like you wanted to clarify some things or clear the air on exactly what took place. How is your brother right now?

Speaker 2 Obviously, Steelers fans missed him on Monday night. They get their first win without him.

Speaker 2 Obviously, changed the course of Miami Dolphins football forever on Monday night, which some of the boys will ask you about. But from the Pittsburgh standpoint, with your brother, how's he feeling?

Speaker 2 Is everything okay? And was it a sketchy situation in there? I assume anytime there's emergency surgery, it's not great news for the entire family or himself.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he's working through it. He's working through it.
It's obviously not somewhere that he expected or would like to be,

Speaker 10 but just handling the situation day by day and making sure to

Speaker 10 find the appropriate and proper steps to get back to where he would like to be.

Speaker 2 Sketchy, though, right? I mean, that's probably because obviously things happen throughout a football season. There's injuries that take place.

Speaker 2 But hearing, I mean, obviously we're talking about your perspective from this, what you don't want to do.

Speaker 2 You want to talk about TJ because it is about TJ, but let's just talk about you because you're here. And then you can obviously allude to TJ.
But just out of nowhere, that's our routine thing for him.

Speaker 2 He does dry needling on a regular basis. I assume this is a part of his regular game week routine.
And then for that to immediately lead to, oh, he's going here.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's got, oh, and we got emergency surgery and lung involved. Like, that's pretty quick.
How did you kind of handle all that stuff?

Speaker 2 And what was kind of the vibe of the watts as a whole as they get blindsided by this situation, seemingly?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, I would say unexpected is the appropriate word.

Speaker 10 I mean, yeah, dry kneeling is incredibly common. Everybody in the league, most anybody who's been in the league has probably done it at some point.

Speaker 10 So, yeah, I would say he

Speaker 10 was certainly not anticipating being in the hospital and getting lung surgery last week.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, please tell him,

Speaker 2 I assume he doesn't watch this show. He's too locked in on everything else.

Speaker 2 He's probably right now actually taking his little fingers into his body and stretching out his lung to make sure it's entirely full. That's how we view you, Watts.

Speaker 2 But please send our positive vibes and well wishes. That's scary shit.
There's no such thing as routine surgery.

Speaker 2 Like anytime somebody says this, a normal surgery, routine surgery, it's like, are they putting him out and are they cutting him open? Yes. Okay.
This shit is not routine.

Speaker 2 This is a very serious, a very important thing. Happy to hear he's okay.
Hopefully recovery will continue to go that way. We're sorry for everybody a part of that.

Speaker 2 Now, let's talk about the other side of that now. The Pittsburgh Steelers get a massive win on Monday Night Football that TJ was not able to be a part of.

Speaker 2 And then the Miami Dolphins start making some big-time decisions. Go ahead, Conmail.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jay's breaking news today. Tua is being benched in Miami, and Quinn Ewers will get his first start against the Bengals.

Speaker 3 It feels like a lot of people might have seen the writing on the wall with the Jalen Ramsey Tua yuck it up session after they got blown out.

Speaker 3 And I believe he was the last one on the field with Jalen Ramsey, having a jolly old time, even though their season was inevitably over after this loss. They are no longer lurking.

Speaker 3 What are kind of your takeaways from the Tua time in Miami? And where do you think Miami goes from here?

Speaker 3 Just because, you know, it was kind of one of those things where they scored 70 points versus the Broncos a few years ago.

Speaker 3 They're changing offense in the entire NFL to this moment in time now where this has become a complete joke. Miami and the Dolphins look awful after kind of going on a little run during the season.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 10 I'm a little, I know that this is, you know, old man, get off the lawn type situation situation where it's old school.

Speaker 10 But I think there, I'm a believer in there is like at least a minimum responsibility on the optics and everything with the fan base and understanding

Speaker 10 how everybody's feeling after a certain game or after a way the season is going. And the fans.
I mean, the players, you know, everybody cares so much about this game.

Speaker 10 And I do believe, and it's, trust me, I'm not sitting here saying don't laugh and that, you know, you can't, you can't talk to a friend after a game or anything like that.

Speaker 10 But like, I do think that there are some optics of when you're cracking up, like, like belly laughing on the field after you just lost a huge game in that way to be eliminated from the playoffs.

Speaker 10 Like, that, that's a look that doesn't go over well, whether it's with certain other players in the locker room, whether it's with ownership, whether it's with the fan base.

Speaker 10 Like, there is a responsibility, especially when you're the highest paid player on the team and you are the leader of the organization.

Speaker 10 That's just not a good look, truthfully. I mean, point blank, you can't be doing that after a huge loss.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I was up for it. So,

Speaker 2 you know, I felt like a younger version of me, by the way, stayed all the way up through that entire thing.

Speaker 2 I think I was trying to celebrate with the ins are people who did not boo Renegade, which is a very cool thing. I think it was active text messages coming from Pittsburgh about the team.

Speaker 2 We're all the way back. We're winning the Super Bowl.
So maybe that's why I was up. Game ends.
I go to the bathroom. Okay.
I come back out. Tua still on the field.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I go. Bluey going crazy.
Got to settle him down. Come back in.
Tua's still on the field. Tua is still on the field.
Tua's last guy off the field, basically.

Speaker 2 And it's like, how is the quarterback for the losing team last guy? And to your point, I felt like old man. I was like, don't get mad about this.

Speaker 2 This is not a thing. This is a different generation.
Obviously, him catching up with Jalen. That's good news.
Him and Jalen were friends.

Speaker 2 Jalen likes Tua, still has respect for Tua, wants to talk about Tua. That means Tua is a good teammate.

Speaker 2 Like, I was going through all those things in my head, but then I was just at the end, like, you'd never see any quarterback that's going going to win a Super Bowl have that situation happen.

Speaker 2 You know, like that, you would never, Patrick Mahomes, would we ever see him after a loss, jovial, the last person off the field at an away game, at an away stadium, after a loss? It's like, no,

Speaker 2 Josh Allen, you would never see that. Like Peyton Tom, I don't even want to have to get into that whole conversation.
Drew, yeah, right. Drew was like genuinely shoot-pissed, it felt like every time.

Speaker 2 So then I started going back into that conversation. I'm like, this is year six for this.
This guy's supposed to be is already a made man at the quarterback position, getting paid.

Speaker 2 I just keep asking, where did this all,

Speaker 2 you know, was it them trading away every good player that they had?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 2 But they still had a chance to make it in the playoffs. Does he seemingly not care? Do him and McDaniel get along?

Speaker 1 Does the franchise like him?

Speaker 2 Does he not like the franchise? You know, you start asking all these questions, and then they announce that he's benched for a seventh round draft pick.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, well, what the fuck is wrong with Zach Wilson?

Speaker 1 Is Zach Wilson?

Speaker 2 Is Zach Wilson okay now? Then I start asking all these questions and then you immediately all the way lead back to this team hasn't won a playoff game in 25 years.

Speaker 2 Okay, so there's probably a lot of problems. Let's assume that there'll be a fresh start for all parties and hopefully it goes better.
Let's go to the other half of the hammer.

Speaker 2 Cowboys, Bubble Gampino. Good news, bad news.
We've moved on from Tua time.

Speaker 17 Unfortunately, it is good news because I like Tua when we draft him. I believed him in him.
But you go back to like his best season. You remember how big he was?

Speaker 17 Like he was muscular, stood in the pocket, took hits, threw the ball deep, and then he got paid and he completely changes everything. Like everything changed.

Speaker 17 And then this year, he throws teammates under the bus. Every time he talks, it's never his fault.
And then that was the end of it on Monday night. Like you can't do it anymore.

Speaker 17 He's the face of the franchise doing this shit all season long. It's been two years of this shit that nobody's noticed.

Speaker 2 They cut Matthew Judon. Judon is released by the Miami Dolphins.
His deal is one year, $6 million. I don't know what that means for how much money is remaining.
Will he clear waivers? We assume.

Speaker 2 We assume he will. But this whole Dolphins thing, like McDaniel, we assume

Speaker 2 it's over, you know, and it's just like a restart down there. And that's where we're at right now.
We're staring down restarts at some teams, and then we're staring down potential Lombardis at others.

Speaker 2 And it's a crazy time of year, and we're very lucky to be a part of it. And the Indianapolis Colts, staring down Lombardi still, go ahead, Ty.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Jage, what did you think of Phil Rivers' performance last week?

Speaker 4 Because, you know, on every sports show kind of leading into Sunday, like, there were people saying that it was like, you know, organizational mispractice for them bringing him back.

Speaker 4 This guy's going to get killed. We're worried about his family.
And then he puts the Colts in position to win the game.

Speaker 4 Now, his stats weren't unbelievable, but I don't think anyone was expecting them to be.

Speaker 4 But moving forward, do you think the Colts still have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs, especially if Phil Rivers is going to be the guy at the helm?

Speaker 1 Tough road.

Speaker 10 I mean, I...

Speaker 10 What I will say is that, like, I don't think there's certain people that went super far with their comments on, you know, everything.

Speaker 10 And I don't think it was wrong to have concerns about him taking hits. Like, I think that's what that was a legitimate thing coming in.

Speaker 10 Now, he did what I think exactly you should do, obviously, hand the ball off and he got it out of his hands extremely quick because he's an unbelievable processor.

Speaker 10 And so, I think it's awesome what he did.

Speaker 10 I think literally him making it through the whole game, having a chance to win that game at the end, taking him down for the field goal, and then unfortunately losing it at the end.

Speaker 10 But it was, it was must-see TV. It was awesome.
And for him, it was probably the greatest feeling ever. And for all those kids back watching, like, it was so cool.

Speaker 10 And so as a fan of the game, I loved it. I, I am very happy that it ended with him successfully moving on to the next week and having a chance to do it again.

Speaker 10 But I'm not going to sit here and like act like I didn't ask those concerns because I certainly did.

Speaker 2 I think we all did. You know, we all had the concerns.
You know, five years away from the game, we all saw what he looked like.

Speaker 1 He looked fat. But then that got sweaty.
But he wasn't quite like a bag of leaves. Yeah,

Speaker 10 The pregame warm-up shot with the jacket, like that rain jacket that kind of puffs out further.

Speaker 1 It's windy and belly is not a good look.

Speaker 10 That was not the best photograph.

Speaker 2 Well, and also, I think with the hat, the way that the hat was fitting on his head and the way the hoodie was, there was potentially no real jawline either.

Speaker 2 So, you know, in his press conference, so everybody's immediately going, some big old fat soul is going to play quarterback for the Colts. What are we doing?

Speaker 2 And Phil Rivers' answer was like, I never run away from anybody, anyways. And I have no idea what my weight was coming off Buffalo.
I don't know what it is now.

Speaker 2 Then he put the pads on, put shoulder pads on. He had the rib protectors, the spleen protector on.
He looked exactly like Phil Rivers. I'm happy that happened.

Speaker 2 And the all-whites that the Colts wear are not easy.

Speaker 5 You cannot hide in there.

Speaker 1 That's why on Monday.

Speaker 2 You cannot hide in there. We got the Indiana Knights uniforms on Monday night football.

Speaker 1 On Monday night football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she grew up tall and she grew up brown with the Indiana boys on the Indiana Knights.

Speaker 1 That song's about marijuana and I love it.

Speaker 2 And I love that we're using the Indiana Knights uniforms in a night game.

Speaker 1 Monday night. I'm smoking that Sam Fran pack.
Good point. Stupid.
What's that?

Speaker 10 Why is it a lowercase I? Yeah. And AJ with a great point.

Speaker 2 No, don't worry about it. Worry about the graphic.

Speaker 1 That's capital I in the graphic. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 6 I had to intentionally do that, though.

Speaker 10 At least they're wearing them at night. I mean, this is a step forward.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Let's not worry about the lowercase I in the

Speaker 1 are these the ones with the black helmets.

Speaker 12 Blue jerseys. Is that what this is?

Speaker 1 Blue jersey?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's why they blacked it out in the photo. You can't even tell what it is.

Speaker 3 Look how sweet that helmet is, and look at that jersey.

Speaker 10 Sweet is a stretch.

Speaker 1 Boom! Oh!

Speaker 1 Boom! Sauce.

Speaker 2 That's a night time, baby. This is built for the stars.
This is built for. Oh, sorry, Sauce.

Speaker 2 This is Sauce Gardner's. This is Sauce Gardner's.
Bill for the stars. Built for prime time.
Built for Phillip Rivers.

Speaker 2 Now, Phil Rivers also hasn't had the opportunity to play in front of a packed out Loud House in Luke Saw Stadium. That's good point.

Speaker 2 Because whenever he was Colts quarterback, they had cardboard cutouts of me and the boys in the stands during COVID. So

Speaker 2 it's a crazy time here in Indianapolis. We got night uniforms for a night game because remember, they rolled these things out.

Speaker 2 The marketing department had a brilliant idea on these Indiana nights, which why I would like to be heard loud and and clear that I appreciate the fact that they're pulling from a Tom Petty song about weed and they're promoting it because if you play that guitar lick anywhere, everybody will sing along and it obviously puts Indiana in a great place.

Speaker 2 But whenever they rolled out, we did it with one o'clock games and we didn't make playoffs and we sunk said there was no punch.

Speaker 2 They actually changed the rule I think for the Indianapolis Colts not to have to get a Thursday night game.

Speaker 2 Like usually every team had to get a Thursday night game at least for one time primetime and then they changed that rule and the team the next year that didn't have any of the primetime games was the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 2 And we had Indiana Knights waiting on deck.

Speaker 1 So they rolled this thing out and they put them on at one o'clock and we lost. So obviously all across the board, we lost, I think.

Speaker 2 So now that it's Monday night football and we got the Indiana Knights uniform, San Francisco 49ers, good luck. Bob Salah has no fucking idea what he's doing.

Speaker 1 He has no idea what he's about to watch.

Speaker 2 You can't even see the uniform in the picture.

Speaker 1 Exactly. It's in there.
Exactly.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but it isn't big on the table.

Speaker 1 They know.

Speaker 1 They know.

Speaker 1 Capitalize the I.

Speaker 2 That's disgusting.

Speaker 3 Because no I in team.

Speaker 1 Well, there's two I's in Indiana, so you need them.

Speaker 10 Somebody's going to tweet us and be like, hey, morons, this is why. Yeah, there's got to be an I.
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 I think that it might have to do with some of the stuff that's like the cool intricacies of the new uniforms. Like there might be something like that.

Speaker 3 Like I know the colts, the symbol itself has the outline of the state of Indiana, I believe, in it. Like, there might be some cool little thing that we're forgetting.

Speaker 2 Bruce Brown just did some deep dive.

Speaker 10 Speaking of cool little things, that tarp you got on is sweet, brother.

Speaker 1 That huge tarp.

Speaker 3 We beat the absolute shite out of that dork Ryan Smith's Utah Mammoth last night.

Speaker 1 Utah Mammoth, a good team, I heard. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 And there's a team that's better.

Speaker 1 And they're in Boston, baby.

Speaker 2 Ryan Smith is a super genius. We appreciate his work ethic.

Speaker 2 There's a chance some would call him a dork, especially if you're losing to the Boston Bruins. Yeah, good luck with you.

Speaker 3 Focus on your jazz line. Everyone's pretty bummed out about them, too.

Speaker 2 They're building a facility right now that's going to be the nicest facility in all sports.

Speaker 1 By far.

Speaker 3 I mean, they got the mammoth thing going, too, but a lot of people.

Speaker 10 Don't back down now. Don't back down now.

Speaker 1 Hey, have you heard?

Speaker 1 Don't do it at all.

Speaker 2 Have you heard about what they're doing with their practice facilities?

Speaker 3 It's cool, man.

Speaker 10 Yeah, they're opening it up to the public like part-time.

Speaker 2 I don't know, maybe. That sounds like a good business venture that Ryan Smith would potentially do, but if it's going to sacrifice winning, he will stay away from it.

Speaker 1 Bought a mall.

Speaker 1 Bought a mall. Okay.
okay mall you know you know malls gigantic i'm aware carry on department stores you know how big department stores are like the uh the nordstrom jc penny

Speaker 2 jc penny dillard yeah bought bought a mall okay and now he's turning like jc penny is the utah jazz facility and then you go up some actual escalators that are there go down and then you enter into the utah jazz facility which is like nordstrom or something like that and they're both gigantic built it up in one year the mammoth side of it going to do the same thing for the jazz and then i do believe it is going to be there's a public area of the mall that's going to be on that side if their teams could just get good you know mammoth mammoth have the jazz they actually really really are in a bad spot Why is that?

Speaker 2 Because they thought they were potentially going to get the number one overall pick.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it turns out Oklahoma City has their pick and now Oklahoma City is going to have two top 10 picks.

Speaker 3 And actually, the Jazz are contributing to ruining the entire NBA if that happens with the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 1 But that might not happen. It's a rapid facility.

Speaker 2 Very good.

Speaker 1 Very good.

Speaker 3 And the Mondays are climbing.

Speaker 2 Very good. And it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 But that is a beautiful sweater there for the Boston Bruins as the NHL continues to be awesome. And to wrap up the Colts lowercase I thing, Bruce did some research.

Speaker 2 I guess this has happened multiple times. There's somebody that's really new and cool that has a social media degree that wants to add their own little flavor.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Just capitalize the goddamn eye. I know you got a social media degree, please.
It's named for state, you know?

Speaker 2 What a joke. I hate the social media people.

Speaker 1 Not everywhere.

Speaker 2 Okay. Just the super duper geniuses that are, you know, having all of that.

Speaker 12 Is that the artistic choice they took? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I believe that is what.

Speaker 2 Bruce has come to a quick conclusion that there's potentially a new thumb on the social account and kind of want to make their own mark or maybe, you know, leave their own little artistry.

Speaker 2 Maybe start a trend. Maybe start a trend.

Speaker 1 They can accomplish thumb or new novel.

Speaker 5 I believe the Chargers are lowercase only over on their X cap.

Speaker 1 So it is a bit of a thing.

Speaker 2 Not a bad idea to follow the Chargers.

Speaker 1 Maybe we we back off this tank. Maybe we back off.

Speaker 2 We have not gotten full context of it all. If you were doing what the Chargers are doing, we would like to say, hey, this new social media person really doing it.

Speaker 1 Really like what they're doing. Innovative.
I really like what they're doing. See new information.

Speaker 2 We keep it moving.

Speaker 2 But on that note, let's capitalize that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's nothing cool about being wrong.

Speaker 4 That's not the way it's spelled. No.

Speaker 3 Especially with states.

Speaker 2 Yeah, especially this, our state.

Speaker 1 Especially Indiana. Yeah, our state.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Especially.

Speaker 10 Ty, you leaning up over there? Ty, are you leaning out?

Speaker 4 You tell them up.

Speaker 10 I don't know. You just look lean.
You look very lean.

Speaker 4 Am I leaning out? No, it's very nice of you to say that because I probably need to lose about 35 pounds.

Speaker 1 So thank you. Oh, New Year, New Year, coming right up.

Speaker 4 So thank you for saying that. That actually makes me feel great.
So maybe now I'm not going to do anything for the next, you know.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Jay. Appreciate it.
Thank you, Jay.

Speaker 10 My turn. Be your friend, telefriend.

Speaker 10 Looks like you might be getting the holiday bump.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 The holiday weight loss bump.

Speaker 10 It looks like you have some good cooks in your family.

Speaker 2 Oh, I like that. The kitchen's obviously operating at optimum.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. Thank you.
Connor, I think you have to.

Speaker 10 Connor, how long is the hair going? Because I am on chop watch. I am near the end of the line here.
I think I'm at the end. Are you at the end?

Speaker 1 Where are you at?

Speaker 3 No, I'm not. I mean, I think

Speaker 3 I've gone past the point of where I wanted to be, so I need to trim it up maybe a little, but I don't think you should cut your hair, dude.

Speaker 5 Where are you at? Where are you at?

Speaker 10 I'm at the point and probably just past the point of where I would like to be.

Speaker 2 Okay, will you?

Speaker 2 My question for you is, will you continue to be hat guy to keep it down? Because hat at the beginning to keep hair down while it's

Speaker 2 huge ordeal. Yes, I think it's a technique that is used by a lot of people.
You can continue to do that while continuing to grow it out, right?

Speaker 2 I cut you off there, but will you continue to do that while you grow it out?

Speaker 10 Well, no, I don't want to grow it anymore. I am done growing it.
It is at the length where I definitely don't want it to be any longer than this.

Speaker 1 Oh, mainly.

Speaker 10 i think it might even be a touch too long at the moment the hard part is on some like i like wearing a hat i like to flip out the back of the hat but on sundays i got to go on air and for four hours this has to somehow stay like okay but you put on a headset you put off the headset you're out in the elements like it doesn't stay good for that long so i don't know what to do

Speaker 2 spray hat

Speaker 10 let it dry yeah i know I I do that, but then I got to take the hat off to go on television.

Speaker 2 And you're telling me your hair has so much bonce that it's battling

Speaker 1 where it like yeah like it like falls down in front like this it does like this thing yeah actually looks awesome yeah that's a good looks you have good hair dude you have really good hair I don't think you should be embarrassed by it had the reverse coff this this week too usually Judge I noticed you go you know left to right but this week it was right to left do you have a lot of calyx in there or no

Speaker 10 it's not too bad

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think your hair is good, dude.

Speaker 4 That would be a fun gimmick coming back from break.

Speaker 1 And if you do what you just did and then your hair sitting over the top, that'd be awful.

Speaker 2 Every once in a while, Joey Burrow will get like the curl.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 2 The curl down in front, like Razor Ramon.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think you should think about that whenever you're doing it. Your hair is good, dude.
I don't think you should quit on it.

Speaker 3 And don't be, and don't be, for me at least, don't be fickle about it. That's my problem.
Like, I want to look exactly one way.

Speaker 3 Once you do that, then you're just going to, you're going to drive yourself crazy.

Speaker 2 You're chasing. You're chasing.
You're chasing. Speaking of chasing.

Speaker 1 That's fair.

Speaker 2 Matthew Judon is going to be available, we all assume. There was a team that lost a great pass rusher that might be in the market.
Go ahead, AQ.

Speaker 1 Yeah, JJ, tough weekend of injuries, obviously, with Michael Parsons going down. How big of an impact is it with Green Bay losing him, and what does their defense look like moving forward?

Speaker 10 I mean, it's a gigantic impact. He is a phenomenal player.
He changes everything for how teams have to block to account for him, to know where he's going to be. Lines up all over.
He's explosive.

Speaker 10 He's an incredible player.

Speaker 10 and when you're losing one of the best players in the national football league you can't replace him even with one two three guys it's just different when you have that level of athlete on the field that you have to account for so yeah they can go out there and get somebody it's not going to be the same it's going to be more of by committee figuring out how this defensive front is going to get the pressure to try and somehow replicate a percentage of what he's leaving behind.

Speaker 10 And that's guys stepping up. It's games.
It's schemes. It might be pressure from the second level or the back end.
But it is going to be the whole defense rallying around.

Speaker 10 You literally cannot replace a player of that caliber with one or two guys.

Speaker 4 I mean, would a hometown or a home state guy maybe take, I don't know, $25 million to come back and maybe try to fill that void for a playoff run here?

Speaker 1 Oh, mama, AJ Watson, the Packers.

Speaker 10 I wanted to play for the Packers in free agency. I know you said.
I wanted to go to Green Bay.

Speaker 10 And what happened? We're not interested.

Speaker 1 What? That was older G.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was going to say, we got to add policy now.

Speaker 1 Finish your story.

Speaker 10 That's where I wanted to go.

Speaker 10 I told my agents, I don't care what the number is. I don't care how low it is.
Tell me what it is so I can at least consider it.

Speaker 10 I said, I'm not saying it's a guarantee to take it, but I said, if it's 2 million, if it's 4 million, whatever the number is, put it in front of me so that I can at least consider it against all these options.

Speaker 10 And they said, we can't get a number.

Speaker 1 They didn't even make an offer to JJ what I got I I mean I don't what year is this what year

Speaker 10 this was 2020 this is right before I went to Arizona it was 2020

Speaker 2 so you're still playing football 2020 you were still

Speaker 10 kicked the door down went in there yeah this is my free agency my real free agency I said that we went go through the list of everything on what you want to do what where would you like to go what kind of what are you looking for and I said my the ideal situation for me would be to go play for the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 10 That's where, I mean, I grew up. I watched Reggie White.
That would be incredible. I said, I'll take a significant, significant hometown discount to play there.

Speaker 10 And I said, but I just need to know what that looks like so I can at least consider it against all options. And I was not given a number to consider.
Oh, my gosh, Jage.

Speaker 2 Now, that might have been your agent saying, we're not telling this guy this small of a number because obviously that affects what number we're getting in this entire thing.

Speaker 2 And there has been stories of agents potentially not telling people things so they can guide them in a different direction. So we're not 100% sure you would know better than us.
Yeah, no,

Speaker 10 I'm not 100% sure.

Speaker 1 But what it sounds like right now,

Speaker 2 what it sounds like right now is that the Green Bay Packers said, Who? Yeah, See ya, and just kind of moved along with JJ1.

Speaker 2 That's awesome to hear right now.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't do that.

Speaker 10 I'm just I can tell you without question right now, I can tell you that $5 million would have gotten it done.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 2 how much did you end up taking? How much did you end up taking?

Speaker 10 I think like 15.

Speaker 3 God damn, they would have done that.

Speaker 1 Oh, we consider it one more time. 5 million half.

Speaker 1 We'll say 7 and a half. We'll say,

Speaker 1 you know, we'll give you a 50% bump.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you still got that log cabin up there? You still got that log cabin up there. Maybe we can move back in and go on a playoff run.
James, we appreciate the hell out of you, man.

Speaker 2 You're the greatest. Genuinely, you are the best.
You're too good at football to be as good of a human, an actual human that you are. It really doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 And then we see that your hair is also flawless as well. Pretty outrageous.
We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

Speaker 10 Hey, I appreciate you guys very much. It's a blast every single week.
I hope you guys have a lot of fun at Kyle Field. That'll be awesome.

Speaker 10 But seriously, this show is so much fun every single week. I know I tell you all the time, but I really, really appreciate it.
Your fans are awesome. It's great to get mentions from them all the time.

Speaker 10 And you guys are the best.

Speaker 2 Our fans, brother, you're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, JJY.

Speaker 2 He's awesome.

Speaker 1 Great on the call, too. Yeah, he is.
Yeah, seriously. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good vibe while watching. No matter what's happening.

Speaker 10 He has fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, point out the good in the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's good stuff.

Speaker 12 We're on ball time's going. Remember, I know we're getting a break.
Remember, he filmed ball time. That's got to come out soon.

Speaker 1 Ball town. Town.
Oh, yeah. Ball time.

Speaker 1 I thought. I thought it was balls time.

Speaker 2 Well, we'll figure it out. Whenever it comes to it.

Speaker 6 Either way, great promo.

Speaker 12 Great tease.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because we remember it still.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 That was our best. That was the best.
That was one of the best ones ever.

Speaker 12 I don't know why I had to bring it it up with 20 seconds to go, but yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but then again, at 10 seconds,

Speaker 12 I wanted to ask him about it. It's ball time.

Speaker 1 I thought it was.

Speaker 2 Can you call him back, please? I think it's Balls Town.

Speaker 1 I thought it was.

Speaker 3 He already knows.

Speaker 12 Neither. I think it's Neether.
You pluralize the Balls and you change the time. But I think it's...
He filmed like, I thought he had a whole season in the can.

Speaker 12 Like, I just want to see what it comes out.

Speaker 1 Me too, bro.

Speaker 2 We're thinking the same. Hey, we're thinking the same thing.
I forgot it existed, and then he brought it up.

Speaker 1 Ball's Town. Okay.
Ball's Town. That's about all.

Speaker 2 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, the host of Balls Town, we think, JJ Watt. What was the name of that show thing that you recorded?

Speaker 7 You remember?

Speaker 10 What's that now?

Speaker 2 Ball's Town?

Speaker 10 Ball Town? Yeah, it never happened. Didn't come to fruition.

Speaker 1 What? Learn. Don't speak.

Speaker 9 We filmed a few, right?

Speaker 10 Yes. Yeah, we filmed a pilot.
We filmed some stuff.

Speaker 2 Who owns the footage? Who owns the footage?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's a cartoon. It's a cartoon.

Speaker 6 Is it?

Speaker 2 What do you mean? Is it who owns it, though?

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 I would imagine that I still own a portion of the barbarians.

Speaker 1 So it's not over yet. It's not over yet.

Speaker 2 Okay. So just if, you know, there might be some people that would be interested in purchasing the rights.

Speaker 3 Do you voice balls characters or something?

Speaker 12 How's that? If it's animated cartoons?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's animated. So

Speaker 10 I voiced the character. There's,

Speaker 10 yeah.

Speaker 10 I love the concept. I really love the concept.
It's

Speaker 10 literally, it's kind of like cars, but for sports. Like the balls can talk, all different balls.
Like you'd have a golfer voicing over the golf ball.

Speaker 10 You'd have a basketball star voicing over the basketball. You had me voicing over the football.

Speaker 1 It was really cool. So, yeah, sounds really cool.

Speaker 2 You watched it and you hated it?

Speaker 10 No, I liked it. It was a very interesting time back when we were shopping

Speaker 10 with streaming and the amount of shows and everything and just what would be required to make it happen didn't happen.

Speaker 2 Say no more, my friend. Sounds like this Ballstown still awaiting a release date, but he's still.

Speaker 1 How did this come up?

Speaker 10 I got off and you guys started talking about Ball town.

Speaker 2 AJ said, I wanted to ask him about ball time, is what he said. And then we said, no, I think it's Ball's Town.
And then we forgot all about it, though.

Speaker 2 But it needs to not be forgotten.

Speaker 1 That thing needs to be.

Speaker 10 That's good for sports. I talked about that one a little too early.
I brought that, like, I've learned that you can't bring things up that early. It's a life lesson.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 10 It's all right. No.

Speaker 2 That's still alive. I want to see that.

Speaker 12 Adrian, are you going to Kyle Field? I will be there. Yeah.
It's going to be sweet. I've never been there.

Speaker 10 It's a great place. I mean, obviously, Ohio Stadium is an awesome place.

Speaker 10 The thing that separates it from me is how close to the field. Like

Speaker 10 Ohio Stadium has that one end zone that's real deep back behind that flagpole. I just love how this one is just everything on top of you.

Speaker 2 I appreciate the fact that you pointed out instead of making it wider for concerts and anything else that they could potentially profit off of the stadium for, they decided to make it strictly for the environment to be as hard as possible in a home field advantage which you respect which we also respect and we will bring that up whenever we're certainly talking about it um

Speaker 2 we need to save ball town for the good of sport yeah this needs to happen sports need that all right what do we got here there's some angle here no no

Speaker 1 there's no angle literally aj kind of ruined the exit off espn completely because you brought a ball

Speaker 12 you brought it up like six months ago i believe is it animated so you could say like controversial things to get away with it is that why you did that

Speaker 10 That's why people do that.

Speaker 1 What's happening here? Carson can say whatever they want.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess we don't know what the context of the wow.

Speaker 10 You can say whatever you want on SpongeBob SquarePants. Like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 No, family guy, though, and South Park. That's why it's

Speaker 1 for family.

Speaker 2 And also, Jeff Dunham, the

Speaker 1 Ventriliquist. It's not me.

Speaker 2 It's terrible what this person's saying over there. It's a good little play by comedians, which we respect.
And AJ was wondering if that's what you guys are doing with this particular one.

Speaker 1 Let some jokes fly.

Speaker 10 I picture it like recess. I love the show recess growing up.
I liked recess. Yeah.
Those are great ones. Hey, Arnold, you know, some of those.

Speaker 10 My son watched Jingle All Day the other night. Not animated, but just underrated Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay, let's make sure Ballstown is not dead.

Speaker 10 How's your dog, by the way? I got to ask you, because I saw your post the other day where he was just... chomping at the food bin.
Love the attitude of this new dog that we've got.

Speaker 2 Yeah, hungry dog. It is a hungry dog all the time.

Speaker 2 This dog is supposed to be, I think, grazing plains with cattle or any other animal, horses. I've heard these things

Speaker 1 herd horses.

Speaker 2 Okay. So horses can really run, you know, and horses are really tall.

Speaker 2 So to be able to herd said things, you would assume would have to have respect for the stature of said dog, which I think we're nowhere near the end.

Speaker 2 of where this thing is headed towards, you know, with the size of its mitts versus the size of its entire thing.

Speaker 1 How'd you get it?

Speaker 2 Hamilton County Humane Society.

Speaker 2 The Hamilton County Humane Society, you know, was sitting there staring through the picture with its ear, which he still does, ears back, just did something that was catastrophic to the house.

Speaker 2 Come sits over, I'm so sorry. I just have too much energy.
Tails just going, what do you want from me, dude? This is just who I am. I am so sorry.

Speaker 2 And then go down on the back and then you start petting him. They get super excited.
So he pees on you. And obviously, whenever he's peeing, his bladder is gigantic.

Speaker 2 So it's just your entire arm is just now getting blasted with piss while he's peeing on himself. So now he's got pee on himself and and on his shirt.

Speaker 2 So then he gets up and you go back to your room, you know, because you need to take off the piss shirt that you have on now because you would like to hold your child, you know, but you don't want to lay in the piss.

Speaker 2 So as you head back to the bedroom, you know, you notice that the dog actually jumped 45 feet and landed on the bed, which is cool that it landed on the bed, but you remember that it just pissed all over itself.

Speaker 2 So now he's laying on bed, you know, taking up the whole thing. He's kind of cutting that thing.
You know how sandwiches can be cut diagonal?

Speaker 2 So on the bed, he's diagonal and he's tip to tip, you know, from from that. He's taking up the whole thing.
So it's really, it's,

Speaker 2 but then he gets down again.

Speaker 1 He goes, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 How could you expect me to know?

Speaker 2 It was so comfortable. It was so nice.
I was in a fucking binge just a couple of weeks ago. And then sprints in, then he's back.
It's like, he's a good dog. It's a great dog.

Speaker 2 You can tell good dog, good natured, but boy, big.

Speaker 10 What's the plan for exercising this thing that normally runs with horses?

Speaker 2 So electric fence we're putting in. Okay, we got property out here in Indiana, which is good news, but also there's like a foot of snow down.

Speaker 2 So it's tough to get in anything, you know, because this was kind of spur of the moment decision to just have to get this dog within the next day, too. So there wasn't.

Speaker 10 Yeah, look at that guy.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a lot of food. Give me that damn food.
Give me that damn food.

Speaker 12 Does he chew on stuff? Does he like eat pillows and stuff or mess the stuff out?

Speaker 1 Doesn't do any of that. Then you're good.
You're all right.

Speaker 2 He just, he gets excited and peas and has so much energy and he's always hungry.

Speaker 1 Like he will always want to eat.

Speaker 2 And I think it's because he has to grow, but we'll feed him. Like I'll feed him to like what you think will make him happy.
And then you put the food away.

Speaker 2 And then all of a sudden, no, we're in the vicinity of food. I need it.
And he'll actually headnot at this point.

Speaker 10 Don't chuck him, man.

Speaker 12 Don't you dare chuck this guy.

Speaker 1 He can't.

Speaker 2 He can't. He literally can't.
I have to run sprints in-house with this thing at night to try to just get it to stop. So he's going to end up turning me into a much better fit person.

Speaker 2 But also, I'm going to have to add completely a daily routine to run it.

Speaker 10 Connor, to Connor, take him on your morning jogs every day.

Speaker 1 That's not a bad idea.

Speaker 10 Guys,

Speaker 2 you two go on your daily jog together that's not a bad idea got some messages from somebody that lives in my neighborhood that says i got one of those similar dogs i ran it for seven miles today i think it still wants to go out for another one so what i'm worrying is

Speaker 2 the more i work out this dog i think we're just creating a uh a turbo man of sorts if you will and i potentially am about to get run out of the gym by this dog no matter what i do i'm it's a never-ending chase to get this dog tired and from what i've been told by people that have these dogs is this fucker ain't ever tired that's why why this is.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you don't expend enough energy as it is. You definitely need more energy expenditure on your plate.

Speaker 2 Yep, and that's what we got with Blue.

Speaker 10 You know, that's what we got with Blue. Are you guys going to the Friday Night Yellow Lead?

Speaker 1 We are.

Speaker 2 And that's what you were talking about?

Speaker 10 I cannot wait to just take that content into my eyeballs.

Speaker 2 Us experiencing it is what you're saying? Yes.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 10 I am very excited to experience you experiencing it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think what Jake is excited about.

Speaker 12 Hey, Jake, can we get you in some overalls?

Speaker 12 I was trying to ask you this. I don't know a whole lot about it.
I wanted you to describe it. I'm not sure what it is.

Speaker 12 I've seen a couple videos online, but I'm not sure if they were real or not, to be truthful.

Speaker 10 I believe there are either painted or bedazzled overalls involved.

Speaker 1 Painted.

Speaker 10 Please.

Speaker 1 There is a lot of

Speaker 2 that's the final call. Yeah, that's the final hand signal.
But they do a lot of, that's them sawing off the longhorn.

Speaker 10 Okay, that's them acting like a saw right there and that's while they're singing and that's to cut off the horns of the longhorn because they ate dexes they don't it's like it's like that part is awesome it's like this like weird juxtaposition of like all right that was weird but that was awesome uh but oh it's like that girl who's on you're like huh

Speaker 2 well that's good

Speaker 2 man that's good we just got another one too right there of jj watt Somebody rip that. I can't wait to respond to somebody when they say something stupid.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to drop JJ Watt in there to do what it was. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Conflicted JJ Watt. What an absolute stud.
I know what you were talking about, though, because a lot of people do judge Texas AM people. And you said, self-admittedly, I do think they all say, like,

Speaker 2 we do stuff different down here.

Speaker 1 That is, that is the way, but they're all all in. So that makes it.

Speaker 10 They wear those rings, too. They all get rings.
And that is a real, real thing. I mean, being in Houston, like they have an Aggie ring, and you wear your Aggie ring.

Speaker 10 It's not like a Jostin's high school ring where you put it away forever.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 it's a full-time.

Speaker 10 I think, yeah. I don't know which finger on it.
It actually might be. Yeah, on your finger.
Like they wear an eggy ring. That is a real thing.
You'll see it like out at dinner. They'll be like, eggy.

Speaker 10 And they're like, what?

Speaker 1 And they're like, yeah, look at this ring.

Speaker 2 If it was just pinky rings only and they called themselves the Texas AM Dawns, and then every time they saw each other, they pinky the pinky with that. That'd be a pretty cool little thing.

Speaker 2 Let's try to get one of these Dawn rings this weekend. Let's earn one this weekend with our yelling.

Speaker 1 Let's do that.

Speaker 1 Eric, is that the ring?

Speaker 10 Dude, great research. Super speed, guys.
Really good job back there.

Speaker 2 Good pull, Bruce. Good pull, Bruce.
Is there any other information on this website here about this, Bruce?

Speaker 12 Yeah, is it like an alumni ring or is it when you're a current student?

Speaker 10 When you graduate? No, when you graduate, you get the ring.

Speaker 2 And the Aggie ring. One of the greatest moments for an Aggie is the day they receive their Aggie ring as the most visible sign of the Aggie network.

Speaker 2 The Aggie ring is a unique representation of achievement as it can only be ordered when a student completes specific academic. Well, we got no shot, boys.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Well, congrats to all of them.

Speaker 2 congrats to all of them all right james you're the man have a great weekend and let's bring balls town back it's not dead if it ever started right it just hasn't started yet yeah true

Speaker 4 it had to be terrible right is that why it did like so bad it's cartoon and it's jj watt you would think that would get sold pretty quickly you would think that i want i mean he did say something maybe it was like we love this we want nine seasons and a hundred episodes of this and he was like that's i don't know if I want to sign up for that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So maybe us bringing it up almost put him back into like, uh, oh no, you just helped the people who are telling me that we should do this.

Speaker 2 They got a little bit more leverage now because there is a demand for it because AJ Hawk remembered it with 20 seconds left in the show, which is a good thing because I think sports, one of those, would be good for kids.

Speaker 12 My kids would love it. Yeah.
I've been meaning to ask him for like eight weeks. I just never thought to bring it up until right then, for real.
Maybe 12 weeks, probably. I've been meaning to ask.

Speaker 2 I'm happy we got a

Speaker 2 hey, it's big day today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, you got it, Australia. We should get you an Aggie ring to celebrate the achievement of getting it done.

Speaker 2 I can't wait to get down there. And obviously, you said I've seen some videos.
I don't know if they're real or not. I do think they are real.

Speaker 12 That's an honest statement I made. I know.

Speaker 2 I know. And I think we were all thinking the same thing when we saw them.
We're like, nope, can't be. That's not how it is.

Speaker 2 But then you get down there and you think, oh, everybody that's ever been here is all bought in on this.

Speaker 2 And then you start thinking about other people's, what do they do as their their traditions and everything like that. It's like, oh, this is just how they go about doing their shit.

Speaker 2 But what I do know is it provides an electric environment for college game day every time we've been down there. It's been awesome.
I assume every game that happens down there is awesome.

Speaker 2 And now they got a team in the playoff. It's going to be absurd down there.

Speaker 1 So it's at midnight. This goes on for how long?

Speaker 2 The yellow? Yeah. I don't believe they've ever been.
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 But like, do they go home and then come back, get some sleep and then come back for the game?

Speaker 2 From my understanding, because I've been down there and I walked around town and gumpy remind me if i'm wrong here there was people camping out of the stadium to get into the stadium overnight so i i and but not everybody that goes into the midnight yell could camp out at the stadium because i think they're filling that thing up with like 50 000 40 000 people at midnight the night before games i think is it exactly at midnight is it around midnight how long it is we don't really know any of those things we just know that we were uh asked if we wanted to come see it and that was an immediate yep yep can't wait to see that i'm excited for it but a midnight pep rally is crazy to think about the night before every home game yeah that's like a lot of commitment which once again goes to they do things that nobody else does but everybody's all in which makes it a cool experience kind of jj's point yeah when we were there it started at like 11 30 they started letting people in i'm not sure if they actually kick it off at midnight because there's 10 000 i mean 40 000 50 000 people literally lined up around the stadium to get into this place and then some of them were camping out just around where game day was.

Speaker 3 They had those kind of pockets,

Speaker 3 not trailers, but like there were little tents around. I'm not sure if they're actually camped for the game, but they were camped for game day.

Speaker 3 And they had their own little like areas, tents, kind of similar to Bama, how Bama had like a tent set up behind game day, but I'm not sure if it's exactly the same.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I mean, they start letting people in, and I mean, they might not be able to get it going by midnight just because so many people are lined up and they got to get everyone in.

Speaker 2 It's a wild thing to witness because it's like

Speaker 2 these people are not just fans of their team. It's like they are so committed.
So whenever a win happens, it's like it was all worth it.

Speaker 2 You know, it's like the highs and the lows, whenever you're that fully committed to something, are more.

Speaker 2 So I think that's why the environment is created to be what it is because it's like a very big investment to be a fan down there.

Speaker 1 They definitely have great fans. We played them in a, my junior year, we played them in a bowl game in the Alamo Bowl, which was in Texas.
So they traveled well to that game.

Speaker 1 And we did a pep rally and they did like a miniature version of that. And I was like, oh,

Speaker 1 I mean, that was pretty intense with 3,000 and you guys have a good cult yourselves. We had a great fall.
It was a great game and we filled up the Alamote Dome. It was a great game.

Speaker 1 And that was for a bowl game? It was a bowl game. They had Vaughn Miller, Michael Bennett, Red Bryant on their defensive line.

Speaker 2 I mean, they were good. Nobody cares about these bowl games anymore, and I'm about done with that.
Yeah, we need to bring back the

Speaker 1 ones that matter. No.

Speaker 1 Good luck. I mean,

Speaker 1 all the ball games need to matter.

Speaker 2 It's a bonus game for these boys.

Speaker 3 We got two CFP games that don't fucking matter. There's these stupid fucking little schools.
They need to get rid of all that shit. Fucking done.

Speaker 6 At least we got college football.

Speaker 2 What about the bonus games that the boys worked hard for all season?

Speaker 3 Absolutely. They should turn them into high school showcase games because all the good players from these teams don't play.

Speaker 3 And then all the players who are still on the team probably won't even be on the team next year because they're going to transfer.

Speaker 2 But, but, and that bowl game provides another spotlight on a player to potentially transfer or for a team's coach to potentially move or for the team to look like they're ass in a grander stage.

Speaker 2 But it's always for the gamblers. Isn't that always the thing?

Speaker 2 Like, well, bowl season will always exist because it always does ratings and it will always have a lot of people invested because of the gambling. Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Speaker 2 Don't Cowboys and Hammer

Speaker 2 AP Tone.

Speaker 2 I haven't heard much about bowl season gambling or even watching habits. Like what, the last two years, basically, right?

Speaker 1 Have you? Is there going to be a... Yeah.

Speaker 2 What is kind of the convo of the change in perspective or change in, I guess, relevance of entire bowl season? What does it look like?

Speaker 13 Are they going to get I don't think it's a like as far as gambling is concerned, I don't think the bowl season is affected at all.

Speaker 13 People are going to bet on it because it's a game and it's happening and it's on TV. And also, people are going to do the same thing mostly watching it.

Speaker 13 I assume the numbers are going to be down as far as watching it because, yes, the games don't matter as much.

Speaker 13 And eventually, bull season will probably end and die, especially once the college football playoff expands. But, you know, that's fine.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was great while it lasted. I'm a Gator Bull champ.
Good run. Okay.
Yep.

Speaker 2 I'm a Monica Car Care Bowl champ. There you go.
Good bowl. West Virginia has been multiple times Mayo Bull champs.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 There's some pop-tart bowl champs. And today we find out who the staff DNA Cure Bowl champion will be.

Speaker 1 We've been waiting for this one.

Speaker 2 Old Dominion at South Florida. South Florida favored by two and a half.

Speaker 2 The FBI projection says South Florida should win by about 5.8 points so you're getting good points on the spread just from the prediction model to what the sports books are saying and then the 68 ventures bowl this ain't 60 ventures this ain't 62 not even 67 this is 68 ventures bowl louisiana favored by three against delaware this is what we're talking about here with bowl season hell yeah

Speaker 2 Tony, you're saying people just bet on it because it exists?

Speaker 13 Yeah, we had a team ride yesterday on Jack State. Everyone in Hammered downtown.

Speaker 13 And they won because you could still win money off of these games.

Speaker 13 The FPI also doesn't do the research on what quarterbacks and the opt-outs and stuff like that. So I wouldn't trust that FPI much.

Speaker 2 Are you guys breaking down

Speaker 2 bowl season on Hammer?

Speaker 7 Every single game.

Speaker 13 Every single game.

Speaker 3 They should do the NIT.

Speaker 2 No, these guys?

Speaker 3 No. Hammered Down.

Speaker 3 These bowl games, they should just do an NIT type tournament. Like if we're going to do a college football playoff, instead of doing random bowl games every night, do an NIT.

Speaker 1 It's not a great idea. That's more shitty bowl games.
No,

Speaker 1 it never matters.

Speaker 2 We are the not real challenge.

Speaker 1 There's a national champion.

Speaker 1 There's a not-real champion. You can have a new New Year six bowl.

Speaker 3 You can end it on James.

Speaker 2 No, a rotating basis. It's a part of the.

Speaker 3 But, I mean, now the New Year's Six Bowl, we only have what, two New Year six bowls?

Speaker 2 You're telling me Michigan, Texas doesn't deserve to be in the not not actual champion, champion bowl? I think it should be. Jesus Bowl, by the way, always brings it.

Speaker 4 Still a great bowl.

Speaker 5 You know, the ReliaQuest bowl.

Speaker 4 It's a marquee bowl still. So, you know, those are the ones that we really can't get rid of.
Some of these other bullshit ones, like the 68 Ventures one, we could probably see that.

Speaker 1 How about Staff DNA?

Speaker 4 Staff DNA, I've been juiced up for this one for a while because Old Dominion's quarterback is very good.

Speaker 1 Great run game. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 So we'll see. That one is obviously, everyone's going to be looking towards that.

Speaker 1 But Byron Brown's not playing.

Speaker 13 No, he's not.

Speaker 1 Who isn't? Who's Byron Brown? Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's South Florida. Boom.
That's South Florida. I'm talking about Old Dominion.
Old Dominion run game, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Oh, Tone, it sounds like you're heavy on Old Dominion right now. Let's not tell too many people about what's happening with South Florida.

Speaker 13 Old Dominion's quarterback is also not playing because

Speaker 13 he's going to be one of the higher quarterbacks in the transfer portal. But their backup quarterback played in the last game last year, ran for over 200 yards.

Speaker 8 So, yeah, maybe I am high on Old Dominion.

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 8 And their coach isn't leaving.

Speaker 2 So you're saying, shh.

Speaker 6 Who had the idea to have the bowl games at the beginning of the season? I think that was the best idea. Sorry, what? Yeah, start the season out.

Speaker 6 Kind of how college basketball goes with some of the, you know, Big Ten versus AC or whoever. Just start out.

Speaker 6 Like, if Texas and Ohio State had a bowl game to start the season out, okay, then that way the bowl games are still significant. You still get the sponsor.
You still get the money. Everybody cares.

Speaker 6 All the players play. You got your coaches.

Speaker 2 It doesn't count towards the regular season. You just call yourself the champion going into the season.

Speaker 6 It'll help with pre, you know, ranking. Smart into the going into the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 And you'll be forced into playing a big game as opposed to being scared to playing one.

Speaker 1 New week zero.

Speaker 2 And if it gets understood, like, hey, this is not your actual record. This is literally just a bowl game you go into the season as this bowl champion.

Speaker 2 Then you can get the big names in these shitty bulls.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 2 That's a good idea.

Speaker 1 I had not heard that. So it's like preseason.

Speaker 1 No, it's like qualies in F1. It's like the Maui Invitational in basketball.

Speaker 1 Good comparison, come in.

Speaker 2 Good comparison. It is like the qualities, I guess.
It is like the Maui Invitational. It is like a preseason, but it's basically a bowl game of big significance.

Speaker 2 And then you go off the rankings off of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 This is a good idea.

Speaker 6 I don't know who to give credit to, but it was somebody with.

Speaker 1 Man, imagine Mayo Bowl. Ohio State taking on Oregon.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. It would have to be an SEC school.
It wouldn't be Ohio State versus Oregon. Sorry.
I apologize for getting that wrong.

Speaker 4 Ohio State and LSU.

Speaker 1 Oh, and the Pop-Tart Bowl. Yeah, big O.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 Notre Dame still just skate on by, not play anybody, just get their ranking from everybody else.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 2 They would have to play Syracuse. They would be in the Notre Dame Bowl.

Speaker 1 They would be in the Notre Dame Bowl.

Speaker 2 Notre Dame people would be like, yeah, we can pay for something to be named after us. Yeah, we'll do that.
The Notre Dame Bowl will take on Old Dominion.

Speaker 1 Bring them in. All right.

Speaker 2 That is not the reality of what their schedule is. Good run, game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Quarterback went for 200 last year in the last game.

Speaker 2 All right, let's get to a break. We are the worst we know.
We apologize.

Speaker 2 But some of this shit I'm so confused by. I turned on Washington Boise State the other night after the Heis when they were playing a bowl game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the LA Bowl? Banger.

Speaker 1 Wait, there's college football

Speaker 3 this weekend. All right.

Speaker 1 That was the LA Bowl. Oh.
Yeah, I watched that. That was another one.
It wasn't the only game.

Speaker 2 There was a lot of games.

Speaker 17 The first ever Xbox Bowl is tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 Okay, now I will die.

Speaker 5 They gave them all Xboxes.

Speaker 1 It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 I think that is pretty cool that Xbox decided now to be in the bowl game. Wasn't it the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tony? Yeah, Sony. That's what we played.
Bowl gifts were the best. I got to admit.
Bowl gifts when we were in college was the best.

Speaker 3 The kids realizing they all got Xboxes was actually awesome. I want to watch because of that.

Speaker 2 Xbox Bowl was Missouri State versus Arkansas State. You know, the Red Wolves.
Wow. They're favored by one and a half.

Speaker 2 They're all getting Xboxes, but you go to Myrtle Beach, you actually get an opportunity to go down to senior frogs and have a team meeting yeah

Speaker 2 that is worth way more than an xbox if you've lived it you know it shout out to senior frogs 11 a.m kick yeah in myrtle beach yeah that's gonna be tough to get there that's gonna be tough myrtle beach is a good time place that's what that is That senior frogs was awesome.

Speaker 1 Are we sure we got a time down there? We did. We had a time.
Should we do the Samu cast on Friday?

Speaker 3 From Senior Frogs.

Speaker 1 At 11 and stuff.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you, that place was awesome. I've never been to a more hospitable place,

Speaker 2 a better time for a short period of time. Okay, I was there for like three days for one of my college friends was having his bachelor party down there.

Speaker 2 Okay, we go down there and we just do Myrtle Beach. We have an Airbnb on the beach, which is obviously awesome.
It's Myrtle Beach, so it's spectacular. It is a hilarious scene.

Speaker 2 And then boom, we went down to that little area of bars. I don't know, it's their version of the Southside.
It's a good little hangout town. There's live music.
It's good. It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 A lot of golfing down there as well and we ended up at senior frogs every night just the whole time and i was obviously i was having a good time had a lot of money too much money should not have had the money that i had i'm just buying shots for literally everybody in that place from the first moment i get there till the last moment we leave i was calling team meetings team meeting team meeting everybody and it kind of got on we go back two years later i think for aq's Same exact setup.

Speaker 2 House on the beach. Awesome.
Spectacular. We go to Senor Frogs.
I walk in there. Manager guy who's still there, there, eyes light up, and he goes, team meeting.

Speaker 1 And I'm like,

Speaker 2 yes, actually. And we do another damage.
I'm talking three days down there. And I think I did it one more time, too, with somebody else.
And it was like, team meeting. It's like, yes.

Speaker 3 Didn't you get poached from a Senora Frogs when you're on a cruise and you went to a party after? Yeah, and I was.

Speaker 2 I missed the boat. I had to catch the boat at the next one.
Yeah, Senor Frogs gets me, dude. Senator Frogs, everybody knows what's going on.
Yeah, Senor Frogs always a good time.

Speaker 1 Great place.

Speaker 2 Great place. Team meeting was real, though.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 We had a time. There could have been a little bit of an altercation at a place, too.

Speaker 2 And because of our relationship with Senior Frogs, the people that I would say lost the physical battle as well also were told that they could never come back for the rest of the weekend because everybody's there for the weekend golfing, doing whatever you've got going on.

Speaker 2 So it's literally like a new group every single weekend. So I would like to let the Senior Frogs people, there might still be there.
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 Same crew might still be running that place. Just know you guys do a great job.

Speaker 2 And we have, I'll say this for AQ and I, and i can say this amongst the others we have gotten drunk in a lot of places around this world and uh the myrtle beach one as good as they one of the greatest one of the greatest in the history come i mean we had a blast down there myrtle beach bowl that's what we're talking about though ahi state lsu myrtle beach at myrtle yes that's what i'm talking about

Speaker 1 that's what this you don't think so when they oh they're back Is this this year?

Speaker 4 I know Marty McGee, a big part of their deal is they go down the boardwalk. You know, they get the airbrush t-shirts, they do the saltwater taffy, and then they call the game.

Speaker 4 So I'm hoping it's again this year.

Speaker 2 I don't like that there's nobody in the crowd.

Speaker 1 Okay, need to change that around. Let them go.

Speaker 1 They're watching the game from there. They'll get there.
Yep.

Speaker 2 They got a good senior frogs there. Good little deck on the back on the outside, too.

Speaker 1 See? That might be it right there. There they are.

Speaker 13 Airbrush t-shirts, saltwater taffy.

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Speaker 1 Football!

Speaker 2 It is magical. That's AJ Hawk.
I like that. Toxic Temple is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.
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Speaker 2 Butler host of everything DB Good D, Bad D, which we will see in a matter of moments. And 12-year NFL vet Super Bowl champion AQ Shipley is here.

Speaker 2 AQ, it's Wednesday, which means it's time to learn which offensive lines were good, which offensive lines were bad.

Speaker 2 Let's go to the top five performant offensive lines of week 15 in the trenches with AQ Shipley. Who's the number five performant offensive line?

Speaker 1 The Rams.

Speaker 2 Congratulations to the number one team in the NFC.

Speaker 1 I love this group right now, and I love the two-headed monster they have with Kyron Williams and Blake Corn, but their offensive line has been fantastic. Great in pass pro, great in the run game.

Speaker 1 Simple outside zone play here to the right. I love this pull around by the center.
You cut cut the defense, you get that, and then all of a sudden there goes Kyron Williams.

Speaker 1 70-plus yards for him, 70-plus yards for Blake Corum each of the last couple weeks.

Speaker 2 So I think what the Rams wanted to do initially is just punch the Lions in the mouth, okay? And they walked right down and right through this Detroit Lions team.

Speaker 2 But it's not just the Lions they were able to do it. This seems like they do it to a lot of teams.
McVay's team, Stafford. MVP favorite, they are not scared to pound the rock, though.

Speaker 1 No, and he does a great job. I think he takes a look at what the defense is doing on the first drive of the game.

Speaker 1 Like last week against the Cardinals, they come out and they go dime because they think the Rams are just going to throw the ball all over the yard. They come out and dime.

Speaker 1 He just starts pounding the rock and they just, boom, 10 yards, 10 yards, 10 yards, boom, break one, and then all of a sudden you get a touchdown.

Speaker 2 And then against the Lions.

Speaker 1 Do the same thing.

Speaker 2 Basically do the same thing. Wow, Foxy, it's tough times.
This year, you're on the receiving end of that.

Speaker 2 And Matthew Stafford always going to have a little bit of spite towards the Detroit Lions with how that all went down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 Everyone's talking about Stafford, Puka, Devontae in that game. The run game game impressed me more than anything.

Speaker 2 The Lions all year long have been really good against the run, except for in that game right there, which proves how good the Rams really are.

Speaker 3 The Lions too are just like the Chargers. Like they're always snake bit by injury.
It feels like that.

Speaker 3 It's too much to overcome against, you know, the teams like the Rams who are at the top of the league.

Speaker 2 Who's the number four performing offensive line from week 15?

Speaker 1 The Philadelphia Eagles are back in the mix.

Speaker 1 Way to go.

Speaker 2 Everything's up and to the right. 31-zip.

Speaker 1 Yeah, big shout-out to Fred Johnson. He's been filling in for Lane Johnson very admirably.
But here's why I wanted to put this play on. Could have shown a bunch of other runs, but this is why.

Speaker 1 Their empty run package has been one of the best over the years. If you remember back to when Jason Kelsey was there, they would do the draw.
They would do all the different things out of empty.

Speaker 1 They got back to it a little bit this week. Jalen Hurts hasn't run it very much, but here you go.
You get the empty package, you get the draw, get him out in space.

Speaker 1 This is what they need to do moving forward towards the playoff.

Speaker 2 Third and 12 here, so obviously the Raiders want to drop everybody. That's why they don't have

Speaker 2 a massive hole on the the defensive line right in front of where the quarterback is. They were looking for an obvious pass situation.

Speaker 1 100%. They think it's pass, but again, this is what they can do, and this is what Jalen Hurts can do.

Speaker 1 But also, if you guys haven't noticed, the Raiders have been on the receiving end of this almost every week all season long. So bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not good. So bad.

Speaker 2 I thought, because Tom Brazer.

Speaker 4 You just got to give Pete some time to get his guys in there.

Speaker 5 Well, he has run and fired them all.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's a good point. New guys, though.

Speaker 3 His second batch is always his best patch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's gone.

Speaker 1 Soon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what are they?

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, there's a guy.

Speaker 3 There's a guy they might get at the top of the draft that might turn that whole entire place around. Oh, Mendoza is so good at football.
He's got power. I mean, we talked about Mahomes and Kelsey.

Speaker 3 Like, all the Raiders need is a quarterback for that Brock Bowers fellow

Speaker 1 with Gentie. They need five guys up front, period.

Speaker 1 Five? Allegedly, the rookie they just put in is really, really good.

Speaker 3 And the O-line coach has been holding him back the whole entire year, and I don't even want to go in.

Speaker 1 A third-round pick. Yeah, he's done a good job, and Colton Miller is their best offensive lineman.
He's been out for injuries, so maybe not five, maybe three.

Speaker 2 Chicago did that one offseason.

Speaker 1 Go get three. Just Chicago.

Speaker 3 The Patriots did as well.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Tom Brady obviously is around there, so we assume sound decisions will be made, but they've struck out on everything they did this year.

Speaker 2 I mean, that is a clean sweep, you know. It's just like with the Jets, everybody's like, they got a lot of opportunity to make the right decision and kind of fix this entire thing next year.

Speaker 2 It's like they already picked Justin Fields, didn't they? That didn't work. The owner came out and was like,

Speaker 1 we don't even, we don't have a quarterback on the football field.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, that whole thing. So we assume they'll get it right.
We assume Tom Brady will get it right. AJ, is that what we assume?

Speaker 12 Yeah, we assume. I guess the question is, how long does it take?

Speaker 1 I don't know. How's, nope, not getting into it.
What's that?

Speaker 12 Got to get your franchise quarterback first, but yeah, you definitely should, you know, finish your thought.

Speaker 3 How's what? Nope.

Speaker 6 It looks like it was going to be a good question.

Speaker 12 It was going to be very good.

Speaker 2 Well, I was just going to say, like, I assume Tom Brady gets it right because that's just what Tom Brady gets.

Speaker 4 I'm not assuming that anymore.

Speaker 2 TB12 went big, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Big into the

Speaker 2 no boo brand, right?

Speaker 1 Soldier.

Speaker 12 I mean, there's no guarantee. I guess there's no guarantee.
I mean, Michael Jordan was the owner of a basketball squad.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 4 He's not playing. He's not coaching.
Shit, he's not even. I mean, how often is he actually there?

Speaker 1 Well, we heard.

Speaker 2 He was pretty

Speaker 1 in the offseason.

Speaker 4 And then the season started, and he's got his job with Fox. So it's like, how much is he?

Speaker 4 I mean, I assume, you know, he owns a piece of the team, so he's probably involved to some degree, but like, he has a full-time job with Fox.

Speaker 2 We assume Tom Brady will figure it out. All in favor say aye.

Speaker 1 Aye. Aye.
Whoa. It was a quiet room right there.

Speaker 2 You didn't say anything. You didn't say anything.
I want to.

Speaker 6 I do too. To Ty's point, he's not there.
If you told me Tom was going to be there every day, 100%, 100% he figured it out.

Speaker 6 But doing this and being a part owner and maybe being there more in the offseason, I don't see it.

Speaker 1 This man

Speaker 1 had his hands inside of your thighs. Thank you, Shipley.
But he's not there during the season.

Speaker 1 Not there during the season. And you got to fix the offensive line.
They fix the offensive line, they'll be all right.

Speaker 2 And you get Fernando Mendoza, maybe Sarah. Who's calling the plays, though?

Speaker 3 Well, I think that's the biggest thing for me. Like, I think he screwed up hiring Pete Carroll.

Speaker 1 And like, that

Speaker 3 was the big and chip. Yeah, like, that was the big, the, the staff itself.
Like, I think if you, if he gets

Speaker 1 this guy.

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 1 The offensive line cut. Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 1 I knew you were taking it.

Speaker 8 That's Pete's son. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, come on. Well, Chris, we're careful.
I can't see him.

Speaker 12 Oh, there he is.

Speaker 1 There he is right there. What's that?

Speaker 5 What is that? He's Undertaker?

Speaker 1 That's what he was doing the whole interview. You haven't seen this video? No.
No.

Speaker 3 No idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Everybody's seen it. Everybody.
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 We talked about it weeks ago.

Speaker 2 No, it feels like you might have had good conversations about this.

Speaker 1 I think I watched it with Connor.

Speaker 3 I don't really watch stuff.

Speaker 2 The guy, I'm watching the video down on the small screen. Maybe we did see this a long time ago.
It's when he was blinking, but he wasn't really there.

Speaker 2 You know, everybody operates differently on Connor.

Speaker 3 It was like Dwight Schroed's brother.

Speaker 2 Yeah, whatever the case, you're saying a whole new O-line is needed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whole new offensive staff, I think, is where we're heading.

Speaker 2 And then obviously they get rid of McMahon as well as special teams,

Speaker 1 whole new operation.

Speaker 4 They haven't fired their defensive coordinator yet, even though defense fucking sucks, too.

Speaker 2 31 zip right there and always ended up on the receiving end of the best offensive lines in the league. Yep.
They'll figure it out though. Max Crosby's here and Brock Barris.

Speaker 12 Genty. You got an O-An, you got Genty as well.

Speaker 2 They could turn that around, I think. That's a special place.
Could be a special place.

Speaker 1 They're saying a lot of things.

Speaker 6 Defense, offensive stab, special place. We've got four new old linemen, franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's a champion. You're not good at offseason.
Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He could do it.

Speaker 2 Tom Brady can do it if he's more hands-on. Con man said he believes.
I believe in Tom Brady as well. All right, let's go to the number three performing offensive line out of week 15.

Speaker 2 Houston, Texas, I thought they were just a good defense.

Speaker 1 They're starting to get better. They're starting to get better on the offensive line.
Big Trent Brown playing well. He's about 400 pounds out there.
Big number 77 right there at the right tackle.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. This old school duo, best play in football.
Watch this hole open up right between center and guard. Look at that thing.
Woody marks. This guy's unbelievable before he got hurt.

Speaker 1 Scored an unbelievable touchdown on a fake,

Speaker 1 what do you want to call it? Fake snap or what's the snap, but pretty awesome. But this is the best play in football.

Speaker 1 All the teams that are going to play in the playoffs are good at this particular play because you get double teams and it's a physical football play.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and you've got to be able to just move men. That's right.
You've got to be able to move men. This is a powerful football play.
This is showcasing what you are, I guess.

Speaker 2 And we talk about the Raiders always being on this.

Speaker 1 Feels like the Cardinals also are

Speaker 2 because AQ sees it live and in person. He goes, wow, this team is actually pretty good whenever I'm watching him play against his Cardinals team.
Is that potentially the case?

Speaker 2 Is it the Cardinals? Because I saw Claius Campbell block a kick, and then I obviously saw them lose by 20 again. But is it the D-line?

Speaker 2 Is it just, or the Houston Texans' offensive line is for real against whoever they're playing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. I think the Cardinals have really gone downhill in defense the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 So they've been on here, obviously, on the receiving end the last couple of weeks. But I think this Houston Texans team up front has gotten better.
They've got the run game going.

Speaker 1 They like Woody Marks. They released Damian Pierce, who I used to really like as a running back because they like Woody Marks, the rookie running back.
And then obviously C.J.

Speaker 1 Stroud's been really good.

Speaker 1 They're starting to get rolling right at the right time.

Speaker 2 That was from the soul right there.

Speaker 2 Congratulations on being voted the

Speaker 2 number two local booth in the entire NFL.

Speaker 1 Wow, congratulations. Thank you, Cube.
Thank you. It was about

Speaker 2 35 different commentary teams that were scored because some teams have a rotating crew that call the local radio version of NFL games.

Speaker 2 Really the backbone, I think, of the NFL is the local crew because back in the day, that was the only way you could really follow your team. They were the voice of the team.

Speaker 2 They told the story of the team in which your town had.

Speaker 2 Myron Cope, obviously, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, is a huge piece of the Pittsburgh Steelers story, but it's also a huge piece of our lives whenever we were growing up and how he decided to call a game and what he decided to point out was what everybody knew.

Speaker 2 So you stepping in and doing it in one year, and it doesn't matter who's doing the voting and whether or not we have any respect for them as a group, but the fact that there is voting and you end up being second as opposed to anywhere else, you should be incredibly proud of, especially for your first year.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Congratulations. Appreciate that.
You're not ass.

Speaker 1 Try not to be.

Speaker 2 I guess there's some real ass teams out there. Sounds like it.
From the read-up.

Speaker 1 I guess there's some really terrible stuff.

Speaker 2 I guess we only hear it in the preseason. Remember, that's a showcase.
Preseason is when we're going to find out about you because the local teams do a lot of the games.

Speaker 2 So whenever we're watching preseason games, we hear the local crew. And boy, some of them are fucking terrible.

Speaker 1 But we're going to have a gift whenever you're on our team. Well, it's also the hardest time to call games because there's 90 guys on the roster.

Speaker 1 So you're trying to learn all these names of guys who probably aren't going to be there. It's a little tougher than that.
Ever's ever been higher. A little tougher in the preseason.

Speaker 6 That's big, too.

Speaker 1 NFL, like, got to know the names. You got to know where they are.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 You got to know what sitting, like, you got to know that shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to know it in the corner content. Especially if you're the local guy.
Like, hey, we are coming to you.

Speaker 1 You are the one that is supposed to know.

Speaker 2 So, we would like you to know we're proud of you. We're happy for you.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 And we're happy you're not ass out there.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 2 No problem. Speaking of not-ass, who's the number two offensive line coming out of week 15?

Speaker 1 Yeah, these next two certainly aren't. Number two, the Chicago Bears.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I really like this group. Obviously, Caleb Williams played fantastic in this game, but the run game is continuing to impress.
It starts up front with a Ben Johnson team.

Speaker 1 Let's watch this outside zone here to the right. We're going to send 81 in motion.
He serves as the fullback. Look at, let's run that back one more time.
Look at Big Darnell Wright.

Speaker 1 He's going to work with Colston Loveland on the combo. He's got a peek inside because that's his backer.
Yeah, just get a little shoulder on him. Open that big hole.
Swift does the rest. See you.

Speaker 1 Keep it moving to get in the end zone.

Speaker 2 Miles Garrett had seven sacks, but I understand that the Chicago Bears offensive line is getting better.

Speaker 2 They invested in it in the offseason, and it's a necessity, right, for this offense that Ben Johnson runs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they've been fantastic. I think Joe Tooney's having as good a year as he's ever had, and he's one of the best to ever do it.

Speaker 1 I think, obviously, what they've done in bringing in three new guys in the middle, and then what Darnell Wright has turned into, in my opinion, he's the best right tackle in football right now.

Speaker 2 Ben Johnson's offensive calling and play design help offensive linemen, or how do you think he gets three new people to buy in so quickly and jail together?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's very similar to what Shanahan and McVay do. They do such a good job.
It's all this right there.

Speaker 1 You get people to bump, you create new leverage, you get people to bump out of the box, and then you create leverage where everybody's working back.

Speaker 1 So everything that he does with the window dressing, with with the shifts, with the motions, it helps the boys up front.

Speaker 1 And then you're always working back to a guy instead of working out leveraged to the front side guy.

Speaker 2 So maybe the Raiders try to find somebody like Ben Johnson's offense, but is there anybody like Ben Johnson?

Speaker 1 I mean, Shanahan and McVay are as good as they come, but they're completely different. than what Ben Johnson's doing.
He's creative, but he also does a fantastic job of setting things up.

Speaker 1 It's very similar to McVay. And Shanahan does the same thing.
So those three are pretty.

Speaker 2 You're saying different style offenses.

Speaker 1 Different style offenses, but they all do a a great job. If you watch just the film, I mean, you know this.

Speaker 1 It's different than watching the TV copy, because now you can get a feel for how they sequence their plays.

Speaker 1 And if you watch it, it's like, oh, okay, play four, they did this. Play nine, they did this, but that's off of play four.

Speaker 1 Then you see play 16, and it was something off of play four, a little different than nine, got to a different formation, but all of a sudden. On play 15, they got to what they wanted to get to.

Speaker 2 So that's Luke Keekly earlier saying whenever somebody does something, you have to start thinking like, wait, why did they show us that? They're looking to do something else.

Speaker 2 These guys do this actively and every single week.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. And I think I've heard, I heard a great quote from Shanahan one time where it said that he's watching the linebackers.

Speaker 1 And all he's doing is watching the linebackers on all of the runs early. And when he sees the linebackers fully commit to the run, that's when the play action pass comes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we got to wait until we get him on the hook. Yep.
We got to wait until we get them sucked up, AJ.

Speaker 2 All they're trying to do is Shanahan was just eyeballing you the whole time, seeing if he got you sucked up or not.

Speaker 12 Yeah, he's smart. I tell you what, though, you get a few like good 8, 10, 12 yard runs early in the game.
You're going to suck those linebackers up very quick.

Speaker 2 Yeah, those long ones get sucked up quick.

Speaker 1 You know, because you have to respect it. Jeez.

Speaker 12 Have to.

Speaker 1 And you used to stick your nose up in there, too, didn't you? I mean, you had to.

Speaker 12 I mean, yeah, a good hard run fake will get you sucked up, no question.

Speaker 1 And you because you don't want another long one coming down.

Speaker 2 You don't want another one of those. You don't want one of those.

Speaker 12 No, you throw your head up in there and you're screwed, man.

Speaker 1 See ya. Oh, I didn't even think about getting screwed in this entire thing.
Jeez Louise.

Speaker 2 You're right. I guess one thing leads to

Speaker 2 number one offensive line of week 15 of the NFL season.

Speaker 1 The Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 AFCE Swain Supreme. Puck, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the interesting thing was New England was right there until they ended up blowing this game because they had a great performance up front as well. But you take a look at this.

Speaker 1 Remember what we talked about earlier, that duo play? Remember when we watched what the Buffalo Bills did to the Pittsburgh Steelers a couple weeks ago?

Speaker 1 It was that duo play guess what when push comes to shove and they need something give it to cook on the duo play look at the boys open up that hole osiris torrance has been fantastic

Speaker 12 backside guard david edwards great job opening that thing up spencer brown all the boys up front have been fantastic aj how's this stoppable what what happens here because it feels like there's pretty good thuds pretty good contact it's just uh oh it works go ahead safety safety's got to make a tough tackle in space to get downhill but yeah you got to somehow i don't you got to find a way to get i don't know i mean they do a decent job building a wall there for the Patriots, but it's, yeah, look, safety's got to be down instantly making a play.

Speaker 1 Foxy, can you pause it right there? Okay, so right there. So if you pause it right there, obviously the hole's front side, and he hits it exactly where he's supposed to hit it.

Speaker 1 It's a front side A gap between center and guard play.

Speaker 3 But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 If you run this play over and over and over again, then what happens is see that backside linebacker

Speaker 1 in the top left of that circle that's

Speaker 1 holding like this on the backside guard. Well, then they start to get a little bit nosy.
They play over the top. Remember a couple weeks ago I said the juiciest cut in football?

Speaker 1 It's that backside, A gap, B gap right there. And that's what happens.
You get them to bite and get nosy over the top, and then boom, you hit it out the backside.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but D-Bud, he can't get sucked up there as a safety because then they'll drop one over top of him, right?

Speaker 6 It's tough down in the corner if he does that, but you got to show up and be that extra guy, fill that alley, as we call it. But I mean, it's a one-on-one tackle with James Cook in the open field.

Speaker 6 And James Cook, would he just get paid $20-something million dollars a year?

Speaker 1 Like, he's not getting paid that money or how, not that much, but a bunch of money to to break tackles in open field so that's what he's going to do james cookie is a very good play unbelievable phenomenal he's an unbelievable football player they got as good a blocking tight ends as they have in the league too they've drafted jackson hawes who's fantastic knox has been fantastic

Speaker 1 yeah they're jack jack they've been great Congrats to the top five performing offensive lines of week 15. Go to the Paul teams.

Speaker 2 Those are really good football teams. All those teams very much alive.
All those teams can very much win a Lombardi. At this stage, what A.Q.
Shipley's saying is it's going to be the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 2 Unless he does what he did last year, which is put the team that has the best offensive line at one and then say well actually it's going to be the fourth best offensive line that's going to win it all and then we're saying well why are we judging what the offensive lines are saying then if it's not the one and it's going to be the four and he said well it's not just the offensive line that's playing it's like well that's kind of the entire point of the whole thing yeah you remember that I do yeah he put the Eagles at one but didn't think they were gonna win the Super Bowl because you hate Jalen Hurts Scott's so you couldn't even take that you couldn't even take the victory lap on you having the Philadelphia Eagles as the best offensive line and winning the Super Bowl because you were contradicting yourself throughout a a majority of the season.

Speaker 1 It's because I celebrated early when I FaceTimed you guys last year. A staffer was getting ready to drive for the game-winning touchdown.
Then he got sacked twice. You guys remember that?

Speaker 1 You guys were all watching. Yeah, we're in Atlanta.
Yeah. I said, here we go.
Watch. Here we go.
Jalen Corbyn. And then you guys called me back like two minutes later, like, what the hell happened?

Speaker 2 Did you do that also for a certain college football game?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Penn State, Indiana game. Yeah, I was trying to really early celebrate that one.
Yeah, you were.

Speaker 2 And I think I actually said to you, Mendoza is about to walk down the field.

Speaker 1 That's exactly what you said.

Speaker 2 And he actually did. It was awesome to watch.

Speaker 1 I didn't know if the kid had it it in him.

Speaker 2 I didn't know if Mendoza had it in him. 100-some thousand.
Okay, he's still showing up to those games, right? Yeah. The cult very much there.
Penn State has

Speaker 2 talent everywhere that could be very good. Could say, oh, maybe they're front runners.
They just haven't had to lead a lot. So now they're going to put them away.

Speaker 2 It's like Mendoza stands there, takes a seven-yard sack. First play.

Speaker 2 All right, let's rattle it off, boys. You know, I assume that's exactly what Mendoza said.
Right back in next play.

Speaker 2 And then he delivers in crunch time, which would then go on to lead to be the only undefeated team in college football, the number one seed in the entire country. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Heisman winner, number one overall pick. What a moment.

Speaker 2 And you were fucking trying to think it wasn't going to happen.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, if that dipshit DB would have just pushed him out the back of the end zone, he tried. He tried.

Speaker 1 What the hell are we doing?

Speaker 1 There was a play in an NFL game this week where I saw it, and I faced out my dad. My dad's like, probably that Penn State guy would have done that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, immediately. Probably he's going to think about that.
Terry Smith could have a couple more wins.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and they might be playing in the Xbox Bull.

Speaker 1 Or a Mayo Bull.

Speaker 2 Sure. Either of these bowls.

Speaker 1 They're playing in a bowl game. What? Penn State? Penn State's in the pinstripe bowl versus Clemson.

Speaker 2 Yankee Stadium. How many wins do you guys have?

Speaker 1 Six and six. Wow, you guys got ball eligible.
Yeah, Terry Smith brought him back. Three in a row at the end.

Speaker 2 Is Matt Campbell coaching that or who is Terry coaching?

Speaker 1 Terry's coaching.

Speaker 2 As you should. Send him out.

Speaker 1 And he's remaining on staff. Highest paid assistant, college football.
That's a non-coordinator.

Speaker 2 Congratulations, Terry. Earned it Western Pennsylvania Lesson.

Speaker 2 You got the boys together. What's that?

Speaker 1 They should opt it out of that one.

Speaker 2 Oh, the Pinnestrike Bowl? Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's a play in the outfield at Yankee Stadium, dude.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Babe Ruth. Exactly.

Speaker 6 It's Penn State we're talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Babe Ruth. Fucking Wiki Mantle.
They played in that stadium.

Speaker 2 The Pinstripe Bowl heard that Penn State heard that Penn State was playing. They heard that they were playing and they were just thanking to God.

Speaker 2 The conversations behind it were like, no way Penn State accepts this, right?

Speaker 1 No way. Well, Clemson, too.
Think of that storyline. Those were two top five preseason teams.

Speaker 2 Penn State's going to sell out that stadium, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no doubt. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The Pinstripe Bowl is like...

Speaker 3 Yeah, thank God.

Speaker 2 Tell Penn State it's a good idea. Tell them it's a good idea because their natural instinct is going to be, no, we're not going to play in this pinstrike bowl.

Speaker 2 So you got to go in there and tell them it's good. It's good.
It's good. But really, for us, this is our only option to sell this fucker out.
Last year, we had 15% occupancy in this fucking thing.

Speaker 2 It was the most empty the Yankee Stadium has ever been. So if we can somehow get Penn State to think it's a good idea, that would be great for our business.

Speaker 2 Somebody went in there and was like, one more game for Terry Smith.

Speaker 1 That's it. They did it.

Speaker 2 And you guys are going to fill that place up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think nine of our guys have already opted out of the game, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but Penn State people will fill this fucker up for sure because that is literally the amount of Penn State people in New York, I assume.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's 80% of our demographic.

Speaker 2 Oh, good for the Pinstripe Bowl. See, this is what I'm talking about.
That's good business. We need whoever's running a pinstripe bull that was able to talk Penn State into doing this.

Speaker 2 That person needs to be doing more in the conversation and making things happen. Now, you were talking about who played in that stadium, who didn't play in that stadium?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The Great Bambino, right?

Speaker 4 None of those guys play in that

Speaker 4 new Yankee Stadium is fairly new.

Speaker 4 So there really isn't any of the rich history tradition that I was referring to, which is probably why every single year the Pinstripe Bull is like, all right, let's just fucking get Rutgers in here.

Speaker 4 They're six and six. We've got enough people close enough in Piscataway.
Maybe you can't come to Yankee Stadium in the summer. They won't come see you in the winter.
So that'll work. So I would agree.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they are absolutely thrilled.

Speaker 3 And it was probably the president. Allegedly, the president just knows what she's doing up in Penn State.
She was probably the one that said, you know what?

Speaker 1 I know where we should play because I know where everyone will come. New York.
Pinstripe bowl.

Speaker 2 I do wonder if they negotiated a percentage of the ticketing sales. Like, hey, we get a percentage of the ticket sales, though, because we are going to fill your pinstripe bowl up.

Speaker 2 So, congratulations to you guys. There's a chance that that's happening.
Good business up there at Penn State.

Speaker 1 A lot of good businesses.

Speaker 1 Matt Rule. He won it last year.

Speaker 3 Let's check in with Matt Rule later.

Speaker 6 Beat up Boston. We just saw him.

Speaker 1 He's at the bottom. Oh, yeah.
Good point. Might be rolling around.
Yeah. When he got a wrap, right? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 On his Jeep.

Speaker 1 yeah clean four-wheeler like a side-by-side yeah golf cart a rules hoes it's not a golf cart it's definitely not a golf cart that was a golf cart

Speaker 12 it's a u TV one of one utility ultra terrain vehicle not an ATV side-by-side I would call it four-wheeler no that's a four-wheeler like a can side by side yeah like a can-am type so we where we come from

Speaker 1 quad

Speaker 2 yeah it's quad some people call that a four-wheeler though I call call that a four-wheeler.

Speaker 1 That's what I call it.

Speaker 2 Okay, so you guys call that a four-wheeler. We call it quad.
Side by side is the two-seater with the trailer in the back bed.

Speaker 1 And it's got a little chuck bed.

Speaker 2 What do you call the... I call it a four-wheeler.

Speaker 1 The one that's like a little outdoor car.

Speaker 2 There's two seats in the back, two in the front. It's like a little buggy looking thing, but it's awesome.

Speaker 1 What do you call it? Like that one?

Speaker 12 What is that like a Can M? Like a Can-AM type?

Speaker 12 Dune buggy situation, you're thinking?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like a souped up. It wouldn't not, this is a golf cart in my eyes, like

Speaker 4 I was used to call it a gator because that was like the Johnny brand of it.

Speaker 2 So the gator, for me, the gator is the

Speaker 2 back thing.

Speaker 4 Can you pull up a you're saying doesn't have a bed behind it at all?

Speaker 2 Yes. Yeah, I'm saying the seats are in that instead.

Speaker 2 So it's a for this, yeah, I was, I would call this, I would call this one for rule of side-by-side person because it's a two-seater with a truck bed in the back, basically, is what this one is once they get to it.

Speaker 1 Once they get to it.

Speaker 4 Oh my God. No, yeah, you got a you got a ways to go here.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is an awesome all-terrain vehicle in my eyes. Is it incredible usage around if you have any property? Okay, so that's the one that's side-by-side.
I call that one a side-by-side as well.

Speaker 1 Four-wheeler is the one that I, the little car.

Speaker 2 It's like a,

Speaker 2 I forget it.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, I thought like

Speaker 1 a Polaris razor. Oh,

Speaker 1 razor, like a razor, yes, like one of those. Yeah, that's what you're calling it, like the little mini car thing that you're calling.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 But they call these four-wheelers, which are quads.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I call it quads too. They love quads.
Me too. I love quads.
I'm a big quad guy. We say all the same stuff because it's Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 We were talking about that. Yeah, but we learned we're wrong, I think.

Speaker 1 Everybody else knows. Actually, I think they're all

Speaker 1 vernacular.

Speaker 2 Have you heard about Kennywood's upgrade? Did you see what I posted?

Speaker 1 I mean, that roller coaster is not Kennywood, first of all. That thing is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they put it in a dome like they did down there in Disney World.

Speaker 1 That's at Kennywood?

Speaker 2 They're building it, bro. Zero chance.
That's a two-seater razor. Yeah, this would be a two-seater razor.
I would call this four-wheeler as well.

Speaker 1 But there's four seaters of these.

Speaker 12 That's more of like a dune

Speaker 12 port type thing. Matt Rules thing's not exactly a work that I have a side-by-side with the snow plow that I recently got, and I've been dominating the snow recently.

Speaker 12 We've had two different snows where I've plowed four or five different driveways.

Speaker 2 Do you got to put sandbags in the back of that thing, though, to give you a little bit more weight on the wheels there to keep that?

Speaker 12 I probably should. I probably should, but it's actually enough heavy duty right now that I haven't had to put anything in the back.

Speaker 2 These bad boys right there, these things wide-ass open, good times.

Speaker 1 Those are fast.

Speaker 2 These are dangerous.

Speaker 2 Me and Nick almost died one of these in the woods of Indiana.

Speaker 2 Almost died. Almost flipped that thing pretty quickly.

Speaker 14 You caught it, though. Saved it.

Speaker 1 Beer. Saved.
Shouldn't be doing it, by the way.

Speaker 2 Should not be doing any of the things that we were doing. Zero seat belts, flying through woods,

Speaker 2 wide open. We're turning to the left around a tree.
Okay, got it. No problem.
Been in this thing. Maybe we even do a little fishtail on this thing.
Maybe a little bit of drift.

Speaker 2 Very comfortable with the car. Very comfortable with this thing.
Had been driving it a pretty good amount. And I think we were,

Speaker 2 I'd say, pretty tuned up at the time.

Speaker 1 Couple pops.

Speaker 2 So pretty comfortable and confident in basically anything at time, which is part of the problem. I'm not saying others should do this.
Every shouldn't.

Speaker 2 We go around there and then we catch a groove and then that thing goes up on two wheels.

Speaker 1 Oh no.

Speaker 2 We work that thing back. Okay, now we're going back the other way.
Now we're up on two wheels the other way. Now I put leg out.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to save life before.

Speaker 2 I'm going to save us. I'm going to save us in this thing.

Speaker 13 Pretty much the only thing we couldn't afford to lose in that moment was legs.

Speaker 2 Legs out in this thing because it gets up on this wheel, cut it back. We get back on to all four wheels and we stop.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 2 And there's a, we look at each other, pretty big.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy.

Speaker 2 No seatbelts, either of us. They certainly have full rigs that you're supposed to have on.
And there was a crew of

Speaker 1 great

Speaker 2 Hilljacks, I'll say.

Speaker 2 So, great,

Speaker 1 great people. Indiana Bullys.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Indiana Bulls.

Speaker 2 They were Indiana Bullies we were with out there, and they just looked at it like, wow, you know, one of those, and then it was an immediate beer. We're right back into it.

Speaker 2 And then we're supposed to just keep going as if that didn't happen. And we did, I would say.
We had to power along to showcase for Western Pennsylvania. But those things are awesome.

Speaker 1 Those are the

Speaker 2 coolest things in the woods, if you can get those, because it does feel as if you're untouchable in those, but you're not.

Speaker 1 No, that you can die. Obviously.

Speaker 2 Some of them have the full cage.

Speaker 2 We're like, you can roll and just boom, boom boom boom oh yeah this had full cage this had full cage oh nice we had no seatbelt on yeah yeah so that almost is makes it worse because now you're now you're uh bouncing around the cage breaking your neck now you're now you're in the entire it was bad idea we immediately this one right here immediately yep i think we need to and i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna stop doing this set the beard down real quick let's go ahead and uh let's get through this the rest of the day i was quite a buzzkill going forward i like the way the outdoors people live though like those quads this thing should go 70, 80, 90 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 It's like, holy fuck.

Speaker 2 Then you get some of these

Speaker 2 ingenuitive

Speaker 2 southerns, outdoors, I don't know what to call them. Obviously break off the governor.
We're not going to do that.

Speaker 2 But then the way they're able to soup these things up to go speeds that there's no way the body of these, the frame of these things is supposed to go.

Speaker 2 The center of gravity is nowhere near low enough for the car to be or whatever to be going that fast. And then the sound of it is just

Speaker 2 wide ass open it's like you guys have a good time out here Jesus fucking Christ souping it up is actually a big part of the hobby to them I think they like doing that more than riding it almost yeah then cleaning it afterwards and then fixing it afterwards it's a whole part of the process it's a wind down there's some music it's a whole thing yeah we need to start doing that we should do that we live in Indiana we can do that we need to do that for bluey anyways that's the only way we're gonna be able to get that fucker tired gonna have to be on quads running him in circle we're gonna have to tag in and out just doing laps around this place you think you'll be able to take care of blue maybe whenever we come out here at AQ Sure.

Speaker 2 Are you a dog person?

Speaker 3 I was a dog person.

Speaker 1 Now you're

Speaker 1 cats. Full cat.
Two cats.

Speaker 2 It's great. Dan Orlovsky said he hates cats.

Speaker 1 He did say that. Dan Orlovsky.
Makes sense.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 cats are the coolest thing on earth.

Speaker 1 You can't say you hate cats if you've never had cats.

Speaker 17 Coolest on earth.

Speaker 1 Would you agree? I like cats.

Speaker 2 It's kind of sneaky. I'm not going to get into that.

Speaker 1 The coolest on earth is a little much.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say that you. We got to tell Orlovsky that you just said that he.

Speaker 1 he's Matt, please.

Speaker 6 bad.

Speaker 1 I mean they're emphatically

Speaker 1 0.06%

Speaker 1 DNA away from a lion. I mean, what are we talking about here, people? Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 Hey, living room lion, bro. It's a real deal.

Speaker 3 0.06. You're a big stats guy now.

Speaker 1 I watched exactly what he just said, lion in my living room documentary on Netflix a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 And showcases how they can land on their feet all the time and how athletic they are and how agile are. Orlovsky doesn't want to hear it.
He's done with your shit.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 2 Let's wrap up this glorious Wednesday by learning about the defensive side of of the ball.

Speaker 2 It's always such a magical thing to be able to hear what's good and what's bad in Good D, Bad D, presented by Everything DB and Darius Butler.

Speaker 6 We'll start in Chicago, and they've been on here a ton leading the NFL and interceptions. CJ GJ has had some good games.

Speaker 6 He had a rough game against the Packers, but he's had some good games outside of that. This is great disguise against the rookie, Shadur Sanders.

Speaker 6 If you start running back from the beginning, Foxy, starting on the line of scrimmage, showing middle clothes, and going to get to a covered three. Three deep, four underneath.

Speaker 6 He is the flat defender. And when you start up on the line of scrimmage with this

Speaker 6 disguise, it is very important that you get with just as much you get your depth because that width actually becomes your depth. So you'll see him as he gets wider.

Speaker 6 He continues to climb against Fanning Jr. tight end here.
Climbs, fools the quarterback, jumps up, high points the ball. Great job by CJ DJ.
Veteran play, fooling the rookie quarterback.

Speaker 2 I love the fact that the Chicago Bears are being celebrated on

Speaker 1 in the trenches

Speaker 2 and everything DB every week.

Speaker 2 If you want to win, these are two places you would like to be showcased at.

Speaker 2 And Ben Johnson, once again, has been able to establish this as just a normal thing for this Bears team when this has not been normal for, what, the course of their entire existence.

Speaker 1 Long time.

Speaker 6 I mean, we saw them in the Super Bowl. It was at 06, and kind of since then, they haven't been a great team.
But when they were in the Super Bowl, they had a great defense.

Speaker 6 So you got a defense that's feasting on turnovers and their best linebacker is getting healthy so he'll be activated soon with edmonds uh but their dbs have been great buyer we see him on here a bunch right jalen johnson he had an interception as well he's finding his form uh so yeah they're hitting on all the cylinders and if you're in chicago if you're in this division you want to be able to run the football obviously and you want to be able to take the football away that's always a great recipe for success stealing possessions is good news the weather's gonna get bad how can you do wait a minute let's see another good d it looks like from everything db hell yeah this is what you kind of visualized, I believe, last Friday with the reigning defensive player of the year, Patrick Sertan.

Speaker 6 And right here is quarters coverage. Now, there were some opportunities for the Rams to be on here, but they gave up a couple touchdowns against the Lions, both in quarters coverage, both with a post.

Speaker 6 And the reason you see that route against quarters coverage, you'll see right here with the leverage. We talk about leverage a lot.
Patrick Sertan is going to be outside leverage against the post.

Speaker 6 Pause it here. So

Speaker 6 quarters coverage, the safety, he's reading number two. So you run it back to beginning.
His number two blocks. And when your tight end blocks, that kind of sits you down.

Speaker 6 You become a part of the run fit, right? Because if they do run this ball, he has a gap. He's kind of that half man in the box.

Speaker 6 When they don't run, when it's the play action, now as that safety, it's your responsibility to be underneath that number one receiver. You should take away the curl.

Speaker 6 You should be underneath the curl route, underneath the dig right route, and then you'll be underneath the post route as well. So the corner, you're going to be outside and over the top.

Speaker 6 And then in a perfect world, you'll be able to undercut and make this play. Christian Watson, obviously a blazer, one of the fastest receivers in the league.

Speaker 6 If you let it run here, you got to have confidence. You got to have speed.
You saw him just put the head down, then get back, track the ball, and go up and make a phenomenal play on the football.

Speaker 2 This Denver Broncos team's everything on the defensive side that we thought they'd be. And how come Vance doesn't really get talked about for head coaching much?

Speaker 6 I think he will. I think people have been around balls since that 70-point game he gave up against the Dolphins.
This defense has been, obviously, with the sack numbers, they've been on a record pace.

Speaker 6 And then they got guys on the back end that can cover. Hufanga was a great, great signing coming over.
But Sertan, obviously, his season has been kind of shortened with the injury.

Speaker 6 He set out some games. Riley Moss, he got an interception on the tip ball and crossing route, but he's a very good cover man as well.

Speaker 6 And then the guys up front, they mix it up and they'll get after you, you know, all game long. So there'll be a tough team to beat with Bo Nick's playing how he's playing.

Speaker 6 Very similar to what Caleb Williams. Caleb probably had his best outing of the year as far as throwing.

Speaker 6 the football if they can find their footed bow had his best outing the year on offense as well so they're clicking on the right cylinders at the right time.

Speaker 3 There's a chance, too. Like, Vance might fall into that Josh McDaniels bucket where it's like, hey, I've done the head coach thing.
Like, I got the best defense in the NFL and Sean Payton, Sertain.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you got the Waltons who can pay me as much as Sean Payton says or I want.

Speaker 3 Like, the Broncos and Patriots both might have their offensive and defensive guys kind of set for the forward and young quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Like, hold on. Yeah, hold on, Broncos.
Hold on, Patriots.

Speaker 2 Congrats on Broncos. Defense getting showcased yet again.
Oh, is this good?

Speaker 6 Another team who's been on here a ton, the Los Angeles Chargers. Now, typically, they play a ton of zone coverage.

Speaker 6 I believe still in the top of the National Football League when it comes to zone coverage. Derwin James, this is Gardner Minshew now in this point.
Had to try to

Speaker 6 get him down. Almost pro-bowler.
Almost got us to the playoffs. And got thrown, obviously, in the end, at the end of the game.

Speaker 6 want to get in a position for a field goal and tie this thing, maybe get an O-T, or maybe try to go down and win it. So you got Travis Kelsey matched up up on Derwin James.

Speaker 6 They've seen a ton of each other year in and year out been in that division. Just a great job of maintaining his outside leverage from the beginning.
You'll see it better from the other angle.

Speaker 6 Kelsey tries to give him a head fake to the inside. Doesn't fall forward.
Keeps his leverage. Looks back, makes a play on the ball to end this game.
So big-time play by a big-time player.

Speaker 6 And they are playing very, very good defense. The only, I guess, weakness on their team will be the official.
offensive line. Their defense is good enough to win a championship, I believe.

Speaker 6 And you talk about Vance Joseph, Jesse Minter will probably be in head coaching conversations as well.

Speaker 6 And then it's going to be, okay, how healthy can Herbert be down the stretch and how upright can that O-line keep him? But the defense

Speaker 6 are making plays big time week in and week out.

Speaker 2 Incredible coverage here by Darwin.

Speaker 1 Great coverage.

Speaker 2 Gardner Mincher, we're already in field goal range, kind of, with Bucker. Now, granted, is he going to make it or not make it this year has become a question? He has a very strong leg.

Speaker 2 20 seconds left, down three. Have a chance to be on the field and throw to Bob Travis Kelsey.
I'm going to do that. He did it earlier in the drive, too.
I think him and Kelsey had a great connection.

Speaker 2 Gardner Minshew is not scared of anything. Feels like this not necessarily ever going to be a completion because Derwin James is so damn good.

Speaker 2 But remember, Travis runs Travis Kelsey routes, 43 sitting in there. They weren't going to let Travis get another rocket.
No.

Speaker 6 No, and this was man coverage. I believe they had a couple like hold defenders in there, but man-to-man coverage, outside leverage, and this is...
This is perfect. Like, this is how you draw it up.

Speaker 6 You do drills like this. Hey, keep your outside leverage.
If he runs a corner route, you make him pay. And he did.

Speaker 2 All right, let's go to another good D with Dennis J. Butler.

Speaker 1 This is the last one called the bestie, man.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's the best defense in the league right now. And he is, I mean, probably a top five corner now.
We all talk about Stingley on the other side, who's, you know, one or two in that conversation.

Speaker 6 Bullock, he's been the best free safety this year. Petrie, we had him on maybe last week against the Chiefs when he had the big hits in the interception.

Speaker 6 Kamari Lasseter, second year out of Houston, I believe. Hard hitter.
He'll show up in the run game. He'll blitz.
He'll tackle. And he'll also cover.
Had an interception against the Chiefs last week.

Speaker 6 And this is another another interception in high red zone post route once again maintaining his leverage and then making a great play on the football and a phenomenal celebration as well all right and y'all got ooh yeah pretty good oh a spider-man spider-man yeah it was some question marks about him a couple weeks ago i think before the chiefs game had a toe injury that he had been kind of battling and remember the comments that he made i love hearing d'amico ryans talk up talk about him and his mindset but he was asked the question hey who would you send first off the bus from that defense and he was like me you know i'm with all i'm with all the bullshit and he absolutely is down in the down out i mean that's an incredible catch if a wide receiver makes this catch yeah not being able to see the ball with hands touching it i mean we would say that's an incredible catch and the casuals may not know who that receiver is uh michael wilson but since he's unbelievable he's under

Speaker 6 his numbers his targets since uh marvin harrison jr has been out he's kind of become a guy but that's a great job uh reading your keys keeping your leverage and then making a great play on the football that was his fourth interception on the year Great backflip, too.

Speaker 1 Great backflip.

Speaker 2 Anytime. What is sticky to?

Speaker 6 I think you're allowed to say that.

Speaker 2 I'm not.

Speaker 2 Anytime you can do it full pads and be that clean with it, that means not only is it been done thousands of times in the past, but in the moment, didn't get too excited. Okay,

Speaker 2 perfect balance. I mean, it's like shooting a three.
You got to have the right amount of explosion in turn. Just casual in the moment, all the way into the Spider-Man me.

Speaker 2 I mean, this is phenomenal celebration.

Speaker 6 Absolutely. You could probably see it better from the wide copy if you fast forward it to the end.

Speaker 6 But I also like the awareness of him because, once again, dealing with an injury, but peeking back real quick because he spun it. Boom, got the spun.
Yeah. Peek back.
Make sure it's not a cameraman.

Speaker 6 Cheerleader. Boom.
Stick that thing. Great.

Speaker 1 Great camera.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's perfect timing there.

Speaker 6 10 out of 10. It's going to be some sick pitchers somewhere online.

Speaker 2 Well, congrats to him. It seems like there's going to be more of that coming out of the Houston Texans defense.
They are so good.

Speaker 2 We're talking about them maybe winning the Super Bowl because of that defense.

Speaker 6 Best unit in the ball.

Speaker 6 Oh, really? Best, in my opinion, just in the best.

Speaker 2 Devontae nodding.

Speaker 6 unit, best unit in football.

Speaker 2 With Devontae Nodden.

Speaker 2 If Devontae's in, are you taking Los Angeles Rams offense or

Speaker 6 I'll still go to Texas defense?

Speaker 3 They also might win the division still. There's a very big chance.
They have the tiebreaker with the Jags. The Jags are at Denver, and the Texans are hosting the Raiders.
So maybe the Texans win.

Speaker 3 The Jags Broncos will be a war, but they have the tiebreaker in the closing three for the Texans. Relatively easy aside from at Indy the last week.

Speaker 3 But there's a chance they end up being the three seed, maybe even two seed.

Speaker 2 And if you get that, you get a home playoff game, obviously, and everything else that comes alongside of that. It may be even another home game, depending upon what happens below them.

Speaker 2 And if they're able to get that building

Speaker 2 going with that defense going, we've been there. Yes, we have.
With CJ going, I think we've seen that. It's like nobody really wants them.
And that's what everybody has said.

Speaker 2 Luke Keekly said, nobody really is signing up to take on the Houston Texans right now because to win games that involve points, you have to be able to score them. And the Houston Texans defense

Speaker 2 poses quite a problem when it comes to getting into ends. They are everywhere all the time.
And you talk about Lasseter as like the third guy that you've showcased on everything DB.

Speaker 2 Every other guy that's been on there is because they hit. Everybody hits.
Everybody hits.

Speaker 1 All tough.

Speaker 2 Like all of them are hitters. All of them want to punish you.
And it's like that's D'Miko Ryans to a T. Like when Al

Speaker 2 Shair gets in that fight on the sideline and then he gets suspended, D'Amico Ryans, head coach and defensive guy comes out and he's like, we got to watch what's going on in that sideline too.

Speaker 2 Like our guys, like, you want to hit us, we're going to hit you. Like he was open with the fact, like, this is who we are.

Speaker 2 That's a scary fucking team to have to play, especially in the playoffs, I think, AJ.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I think it's contagious, too. Like, when you have a physical team like that, and they all, you, you talk about running to the ball.
Like, great things happen when you run to the ball.

Speaker 12 Like, they just feel like they're playing with supreme confidence. Whoever is in there, I don't know.

Speaker 12 Like, you have to uphold the standard, I feel like, and that D'Amico and the rest of that team is setting.

Speaker 12 Yeah, like we said, it may not be fun to watch your team play the Texans, but if you are a fan of defense and a fan of physicality, this defense is who you want to watch.

Speaker 2 And they're finishing every hit, too. Like, it's like

Speaker 12 through the ground. They're finishing through the ground.
They're trying to take you through the ground.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and you know, yeah, when there's a quarterback, obviously we'll be trying to catch ourselves, but see, also, we'll be there. Yeah, we will certainly be there every single time.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't think people fully understand that's an entire mindset. Like, hey, this is who we are as a team, and nobody's allowed out of it.
Like, corners.

Speaker 1 Nah, you are. We are.

Speaker 2 This is who we are. Like, this is what our defense is known for.

Speaker 2 When people turn on, I bet you, D'Amico, when people turn on tape and they watch our defense, all 11 guys have to showcase exactly who the fuck we are.

Speaker 1 1,000.

Speaker 2 That is what it is. And you talk about a standard them already having.
It's like next year, whenever somebody joins that defense or if they sign somebody, it's understood.

Speaker 2 Like, hey, this is what we are. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a great thing to have.

Speaker 2 That is a fucking great thing to have on the defensive side in 2025, 2026.

Speaker 4 You talk about them getting a potential home playoff game, too. Like,

Speaker 4 look at how we've been talking about Josh Allen the last several weeks and how he's unstoppable. Rewind a couple weeks ago when Buffalo went to Houston.

Speaker 4 Like, and what they sacked Josh Allen nine times. We're seeing him laying on the turf, kicking his legs down.
Like, they beat the fuck out of them.

Speaker 2 Not just them, everybody.

Speaker 1 That's what they do.

Speaker 4 Right, but I'm saying, like, we're talking about the best player in the NFL who is unstoppable.

Speaker 4 And just a few weeks ago, we we saw them make him look very pedestrian all you can remember is those red jerseys yeah

Speaker 2 everywhere and then Jacksonville Jaguars they're getting really really really really really really good really quickly all of a sudden the AFC South is starting to become the NFL's best yeah they lose

Speaker 3 they lose this week the Jags are in legit trouble as far as winning the division Well, they'll still get in as a wild card. Yeah, the seven teams are basically locked in.

Speaker 3 It's just the divisions that's all.

Speaker 3 The divisions are basically all a toss-up. You could argue maybe not the Broncos, but like the AFC East, the AFC North, and the AFC South are all a toss-up right now.

Speaker 2 And the Steelers can lose two straight games, and then if they win the last game, they still win the division.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and that's the big thing with New England. Like, if New England wins, then they have this weekend against Baltimore.

Speaker 3 That is massive for Pittsburgh and for New England, obviously, because they get in. But that also gives them a little bit more leeway to win the division this weekend.

Speaker 2 Oh, football's great, but there's some people that are ass debuffed. Let's get to the bad D, shall we?

Speaker 6 Oh, man, speaking of people and teams and defense units that are ass, they got the defense coordinator fire after this game, Steve Wilkes.

Speaker 6 Liam Cohen has done a great, great job with Trevor Lawrence. I know

Speaker 6 Dan said yesterday the Texans offense probably the most improved unit in football. This Jacksonville Jaguars has been hitting all similars.
You'll see ETN. He had three touchdowns.

Speaker 6 This is one of them right here. They're going to get to basically a four by one on the snap.
So right now he's starting off on the left. Post snap.

Speaker 6 He's going to get to the route and just get the right. And then it'll just be a swing route.
And now AJ knows just how tough this is on 5.6. We run it back.

Speaker 6 Just look at the traffic that 5.6 has to run through. If you pause it here, he's a linebacker just to the left.

Speaker 6 If you're looking from the offensive side of the hash, and watch what 56 has to get through to get through and try to cover ETN, who's already a speedster. So he went underneath.

Speaker 6 And you always have to make

Speaker 6 a decision as a defender: do I go over the top or do I go underneath? Do I try to go to that back door? And usually, when you go to that back door, you get outran, especially with a speedster.

Speaker 6 That's great for that old line. He's 77, he just gets a hand on him, then does a save-it block, just puts the ass on him, and then Etienne takes care of the rest.

Speaker 2 The Jets get rid of Quinnen Williams, and we hear what the Dallas Cowboys think about him. Do we think that is potentially the devastation to the Jets' defensive side of the ball?

Speaker 6 I mean, it was bad with him, too. This is a team, I don't know, maybe one interception on the entire year, I think, which is none.

Speaker 1 Zero?

Speaker 6 Zero.

Speaker 6 Like that, that's that's hard to do. That's hard to do through five games, let alone 15 at this point.

Speaker 6 This is like all-time bad. You didn't expect this with a defensive, I didn't expect this with a defensive head coach.
Uh, don't have a bunch of the pieces and just got the shit kicked out of him.

Speaker 6 We talked about Trevor Lawrence earlier in the week having a historic day. Uh, this offense has been good, but they looked obviously great on Sunday against this Jets.

Speaker 6 Like, right there, you got to get on the ground.

Speaker 6 Big play, you got to get on the ground.

Speaker 1 I think you got to pull the rip cord.

Speaker 4 We just saw what happened. I mean, I'm not saying that there's like a Mike Vrabel option out there for the Jets, but like as a defensive guy with how bad they've been and just like everything,

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Hey, maybe you own up, say, we got this one wrong. We need to go back to the drawing board, and we need to make sure we get it right.

Speaker 2 And then what, AG's going back to Detroit?

Speaker 1 Potentially.

Speaker 3 Yeah, maybe just swap. Maybe.
Shepard gets hired by the Jets. If they don't do it this year, they're signing up for two years because they have four first-round picks in the next two years.

Speaker 3 So if they let them pick the two first-round picks this year or, you know, who knows, trade up. Who's the gym?

Speaker 1 What do you want to do? Darren Mooji.

Speaker 12 Mooji.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 6 I'm not there. I'm not there as far as pulling the cord just because of the things that we talked about.

Speaker 6 You were a seller. You sent all your best players away.
You get all these picks.

Speaker 6 That looks like to us, hey, you position yourself, go get a quarterback, build for the future. So you give them an opportunity.
You give them a couple years to try to figure out

Speaker 6 all time right now.

Speaker 5 I agree.

Speaker 2 And I like Aaron Glenn.

Speaker 1 Me too. Love Aaron.
I like Aaron Glenn.

Speaker 2 I'm an Aaron Glenn fan. I like his energy.
I like his juice. I like what he did with Detroit.
I got a chance to talk to him. I feel like he's a very real human being.

Speaker 2 I mean, the Aaron Rodgers fly over there and then him kick him out of the room in three minutes or whatever.

Speaker 2 Hilarious move.

Speaker 2 Interesting move. I don't know if that happens in football a lot in its entirety, but trying to set a tone, I think, on what he's looking for.

Speaker 2 So for it to be this ass, I think we were all kind of surprised by it.

Speaker 6 It's the Jets. It's been a shit show for

Speaker 5 a while now.

Speaker 6 And offense, as a defender, and I'm not making any excuse for that defense, zero interceptions is crazy, but I think Brady Cook started that game on offense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, easy. Easy.

Speaker 6 They had, you know, Tarat Taylor and Justin Phillips. So

Speaker 6 it's been tough on offense. Can't believe that go.
Alan Lazar, he's out there, maybe end up in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 But, you know, MVS. It's been a tough.

Speaker 6 It's been tough. It's been a tough year.

Speaker 1 Phelan.

Speaker 2 Listen to the the Pittsburgh Steelers Avengers.

Speaker 3 Where's John Kuhn at?

Speaker 2 Take the headset off, John.

Speaker 3 Come on.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they got helmets in modern-day helmets that can fit that thing, but maybe just wear the Guardian cap.

Speaker 1 Randall Cobb's in shape?

Speaker 4 Nah, Jordy's in great shape.

Speaker 4 Randall Cobb, though, he might be a guy who's looking.

Speaker 1 Jordy's the one that needs to run my dog because isn't he out there with the yeah cattle and whatnot ranching oh he's probably in great shape great shape oh yeah he's tackling them jumping on them jumping off them.

Speaker 1 Still, softball.

Speaker 2 National champion. Isn't he some softball like champion?

Speaker 12 He's a freak athlete. I don't know where what his titles are in softball, but he can he can do everything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think he's a softball national champion at this stage. He was at some rodeo.
We saw him doing some shit at some rodeo. Yep.

Speaker 1 He was running the rodeo, I think, energy.

Speaker 1 What about?

Speaker 6 Oh, no, we don't need a Jordi highlight tape. I might be on here somewhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, that's what happens. Milk check, milk check.

Speaker 1 I'll gone.

Speaker 2 Sia

Speaker 2 six, Jordy Nelson. It's a monster.
I do enjoy the conversations that happen in DB rooms about Jordy Nelson all around the league. That was cool.

Speaker 2 That was cool to kind of learn about, hear about, just because of how funny it is that that is the actual truth of the situation. Hey, listen, he's country fuck.
Okay, this guy is super nice.

Speaker 2 You have no idea what you're looking at when you're standing there. You view him, you think to yourself,

Speaker 2 we got time here.

Speaker 2 We don't have time with this one.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, no, when you get eyes on him,

Speaker 1 he's that's a stallion, yeah, he looks like a thoroughbred for sure. You get eyes,

Speaker 6 you get eyes over across the field, you're not sleeping on 87.

Speaker 2 Hey, watch the film, okay. We're gonna see him in real life.

Speaker 1 Those strides get understand what this thing is.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, weapon. Why didn't he go to the Steelers?

Speaker 1 What's uh, Randall doing right now? Cop, getting ready,

Speaker 2 Phelan, MVS, Jordy, Randall, Lazard, Tom Crabtree, maybe he comes back out.

Speaker 1 Donald Driver.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yep. And Bill's in the first round.

Speaker 2 Donald Driver would be awesome.

Speaker 12 That would be awesome, but he can still play.

Speaker 1 He's a Packer for life.

Speaker 4 I'm the same with Jordy. We don't need to see those guys.

Speaker 1 Jordy played for the Raiders. The Steelers are the Packers of the AFC.
I know, I know, but I think Donald Driver's also like 55.

Speaker 4 I don't want him to get hurt out there.

Speaker 1 That's a little bit older.

Speaker 1 Look at Phil Rivers.

Speaker 3 44 is the ceiling.

Speaker 1 No, it's the floor. That's what I meant.
Fuck.

Speaker 3 Who's the white wide receiver that used to catch all the Hill Marys? Jared Aberdairs.

Speaker 1 There it is. Get him up.
Jeff Janice. Jeff Janis.
Janice. That's it.

Speaker 12 Jeff Janice.

Speaker 4 They are literally the same guy with different names.

Speaker 1 He got the Cardinals. That's right.
Twice. Yeah.
Twice. Same game.
Yeah. Remember what happened right after that?

Speaker 1 Hill Larry?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Rodgers threw like a 60-yard touchdown to send it into overtime. His time expired.
And then on the first play of overtime, Larry Fitzgerald caught a slam and ran like 85 yards.

Speaker 6 Took it down to the five-yard line.

Speaker 1 The Packers lost a play later.

Speaker 3 Pat P. That's

Speaker 1 quite a two times in a row.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was quite a deflating deal.

Speaker 2 How many? He has the most Hale Marys, right? Aaron, that's the definitely.

Speaker 1 I would assume so.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the Jets won, I think, last year that happened in prime time with Lazarus.

Speaker 2 Five or six. He broke the record.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I forget what Bruce.

Speaker 6 In like free play touchdowns.

Speaker 2 Which you're trying to take away from his game.

Speaker 1 I'm not. He's not.
Shot Cavois. You and Bruce Aaron.

Speaker 6 And he gets the hard count

Speaker 6 like those, but the, you know, the pinky toe and the side of the field.

Speaker 1 Get off the field. I mean, yeah.
Hustle. What was Bruce's take? He's anti-it? Yeah.
Yeah. He was anti-it as a player.
So like some coaches teach it.

Speaker 1 Like as a center, if you see them like jump across, snap it.

Speaker 3 And Bruce was never. It was always tell the guard.

Speaker 2 He's talking about somebody running off the field, though.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 got it. Got it.
Got it.

Speaker 2 He's talking about this from the other night. There was 45-second

Speaker 2 advance replay, replay assist. It said, actually, there was 12 guys on the field.
They threw the flag, which Aaron was talking about. And then BA and D-Butt the next morning.

Speaker 2 Well, BA first still no flag we knew d butt was not about it yeah in real time there's still no flag aaron's not happy that fucker didn't get off the field is what he clearly says in the entirety advanced replay says yep he's actually right there's 12 on the field because troy and joe thought maybe it was like a hold or something on mvs they didn't like and then this and then they replay it so yeah it was uh we thought ba would be about it though because it was an offensive gift and a quarterback has to be smart enough to see this and also it's a deep shot no risk it no biscuit type thing it's actually a biscuit potential with no risk it in it.

Speaker 2 And instead, he was like, It's not the intent of the rule. He said it's not the intent of the rule.

Speaker 3 Way on side. I mean, that's the other thing, too.
Brady,

Speaker 3 huge in doing this. That's why I was surprised that was his philosophy, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 What's up? We knew Debo would hate it.

Speaker 1 We knew AJ would hate it.

Speaker 3 Exactly. That was the first time I looked at Bruce and I was like, What the fuck are you talking about, Bruce?

Speaker 1 This is your first time?

Speaker 2 He's been here a long time.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 3 And that was the first time

Speaker 1 I looked at him like, Bruce, hello. Hello, you're an offensive guy.

Speaker 1 Bruce.

Speaker 2 You benefited from this problem.

Speaker 1 Come on, man.

Speaker 2 We'll ask Ben Rothesberger what his thoughts were.

Speaker 3 And his thoughts on that photo.

Speaker 1 Let's go to hammer.

Speaker 2 Don. Don.
What do you think Big Ben's thoughts are on too many men being smarter than defense? And what do you think Big Ben was looking at with Dan Marino when he had that look and Dan had that look?

Speaker 13 Seven loves catching 12 men on the field and then just hucking it deep to one of any number of wide receivers.

Speaker 13 So he's he's definitely for it uh but he was also coached by ba so you know that's weird as well i don't i'm with you con i don't love what ba was doing there um and i still think that ben was just in awe of how aaron is just spinning it there's a chance damarino knew it was over literally maybe

Speaker 2 tamarino saw aaron throw it and he thought to himself the two era is over well that's it Maybe he saw Tua yucking it up before the game with Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 2 Ben goes, oh,

Speaker 1 guy doesn't care about his team.

Speaker 2 And Dan goes, this is fucking disgusting.

Speaker 1 I'm fucking benching him. After a gun.

Speaker 1 After a gun.

Speaker 2 Sound like Stanford Steve, but Pittsburgh accent certainly similar to Baltimore One, whichever one Stanford Steve has. We appreciate you, Tom.
Why don't you start heading this way, Tom?

Speaker 2 Why don't you start heading this way?

Speaker 2 D. But final bad D.
What?

Speaker 6 Yeah, we haven't seen the Packers.

Speaker 1 That's a bad one.

Speaker 6 I don't think all year long, and this is a seed from Bo Nicks talking about some quarterbacks playing their best ball at this point in the season. Bo Nicks is definitely in that conversation.

Speaker 6 This is a big week, too, for the Broncos. They've been winning a lot of close games, but winning nonetheless.

Speaker 6 And a lot of people are like, all right, Packers, Broncos, this will be a big test for both teams, both quarterbacks. And he passed the test with flying colors.

Speaker 6 It's him with his college teammate, Troy Franklin. This is like a scissors route.

Speaker 6 So a corner from the number two receiver, and then he'll end up running like a post, and he'll sit right in this window, kind of a cover two type drop, and he throws it.

Speaker 6 Dan kind of talked about throwing the ball across the middle. It's about kind of where you place the ball, the pace you put on the ball.

Speaker 6 And he puts this kind of back shoulder high away from the defenders. Great ball placement, great accuracy, stepping up in the pocket, big time throwing catch.

Speaker 5 That's just hitting a hole in the zone, right? Yep.

Speaker 2 I mean, that is exactly

Speaker 2 the whole shot below you, and that's how you beat zone. And was Bo always able to do this in the NFL? Do we know?

Speaker 1 Well, Sean Payton loved him.

Speaker 6 You know, when he came, when he came on, he talked, he spoke very, very glowingly about him. It was some questions for a lot of other people.
Could Bo develop and be a big-time quarterback?

Speaker 6 But making plays like this on this level against this defense, because

Speaker 6 this ain't a bunch of slappies out there. These are some good defenders.
Obviously, Micah

Speaker 6 got hurt this game, but big-time throw against a very good defense. You got to find a hole in the zone and make the throw.

Speaker 2 We liked Bo on the show, right? He sounded like Kevin O'Connell. Yeah.
That was my takeaway, if I remember, right? Everything was right. He's super competitive.

Speaker 2 Love the quarterback position, everything like that. He'll be one.
And that's why Sean Payton, as soon as he met him, was like, this is the guy.

Speaker 6 And I like quarterbacks that when the moments get bigger, like they show up the best.

Speaker 6 And that's who he's been all year, whether it was a team you're supposed to blow out or a team you're supposed to lose to. Fourth quarter comes, 10 is playing his best ball.

Speaker 6 So I love that from a quarterback, young or old, but he's, you know, kind of a young, old guy almost in the NFL. The second year starting, but he's an older fella, and he's playing his best ball.

Speaker 2 Shock.

Speaker 5 He talks about how old he was.

Speaker 1 You lookable. Saints care.

Speaker 2 Hey, Saints care right now.

Speaker 1 Look about it. Out for shock.

Speaker 6 Dano is right. Remember, he was on Good D,

Speaker 6 through that pick to uh Rasul Douglas, and we were like, Damn, things do two picks. It had to pick pick two to Minka.

Speaker 6 And Dan, I think, tweeted that day, like, hey, I love his film, he's confident, he's this, he's that. And I, you know, I think he's ran off a couple wins here.

Speaker 2 Well, and the Saints celebrated when they drafted him in the third round as if he was gonna be their starter. Remember that?

Speaker 2 And everybody was like, Well, if you're drafting a starter in the third round, why didn't you draft him in the first round?

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? They're like, We like our pick.

Speaker 1 That fucker. Is he still down there? Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Shuck was fantastic today. Aggressive, moved really well.
Confidence high, saw the field clean. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 I mean, Dano has been on it. The dam wagon will hop on some things that are good.
Yep.

Speaker 2 Leave it at that. It's holiday season.
Great work today, boys. Thank you, Debuck.
Great week.

Speaker 6 Thank you, brother. You too.

Speaker 3 AQ, great work today.

Speaker 2 You too, brother. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life.
AQ, anything for the team?

Speaker 1 Yeah, big week of football ahead. Thursday, head up to the Pacific Northwest.
Playoff games. Friday, NFL and playoff games.

Speaker 1 Enjoy this time of year, everyone.

Speaker 10 Hell yeah, AQ.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah. Well done.
Thank you, AQ. Team on me, team on three, one, two, three.

Speaker 1 Team, goodbye.

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