'The Better Sister' Review: Your Summer Mystery Binge Drop With Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson

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Speaker 1 It's the Prestige TV podcast. I'm Bill Simmons.
I'm with Joanna Robinson. We watch The Better Sister on Amazon, a show that we did not intend to cover.
Correct. On the Prestige TV podcast.

Speaker 1 But then I started watching it over the weekend and I texted Joanna and Rob. I'm like, you guys in on this show? And Rob was too

Speaker 1 cool for school for it.

Speaker 2 You know, he's a little busy right now, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got basketball. And it didn't pass the shit detector test for him.
It did for me. I talked to you about...

Speaker 1 What do we do? Your friends and neighbors about

Speaker 1 looking down and up at the TV? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Doing stuff on my iPad versus like looking up and following. This was perfect.
I was about 50-50 between the TV and the iPad on this one. Where were you?

Speaker 2 I gave it a little bit more. I would say like 60-40.

Speaker 2 And I actually, it's funny that you bring up your friends and neighbors because

Speaker 2 I couldn't help but compare the two since we were just talking about like, you know,

Speaker 2 a murder mystery among the upper class. Craig Gillespie worked on both shows.

Speaker 2 There are some similarities and some of the alibis and stuff like that. So I was comparing it a lot to your friends friends and neighbors.

Speaker 2 And I actually, I liked this better than your friends and neighbors because I think it had a better sense. I think it had a better sense of what it is, which is like

Speaker 2 classic airplane book, you know, beach read fodder and is not trying to be capital P prestige, but it's just trying to give you like a good murder mystery. with a ton of great actors.

Speaker 2 That's another thing, like when we were talking about Apple shows and you were talking about this imbalance between the star power and then invest in the star power and then not in the rest of the cast, this is like a fully fleshed out everyone's delivering cast kind of show.

Speaker 2 I had a great time with it. I'm really, I'm really glad that you had a great time with it.

Speaker 1 I had a very good time. I wouldn't say it was a great time, but it was a very good time.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, like, it's definitely not the best show I've seen this year, but I just like, I like when a show knows exactly what it is and is working on that level, like very perfectly.

Speaker 2 Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 I thought it was an HBO show after after a head injury. Like not quite good enough to be on Sunday night HBO, but like one level below.

Speaker 2 On Amazon Prime for the summer and a binge drop. It's perfect for what it is.

Speaker 1 It's funny you mentioned your friends and neighbors because both shows started out the exact same way

Speaker 1 with a dead body covered in blood and the hero of our show not understanding what's going on and freaking out, basically. It was an identical.
And it's so funny that Craig Gillespie did both shows.

Speaker 2 Are you, were you waiting for Jessica Beale to fall into the pool or something like that?

Speaker 1 Well, her dress was covered in blood. It looked great.
It looked great. Yeah, they did a great job.
It just seemed like somebody shot like a hose of blood at her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just feel like everyone's worried about AI coming in and replacing.

Speaker 1 the creative for some of the and it's like i i we're not exactly the most original right now in 2025 anyway where a lot of these shows just they have to establish the dead body then it's like i wonder who did it then there's all these other pieces and then the show moves.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, I think it's this person. No, it's this person.
And we just keep going and going. And it just feels like we're on autopilot with this concept at this point.
I still like it.

Speaker 2 You're expanding a law and order episode out across eight episodes. Oh, that's a good way to put it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. With better actors.

Speaker 2 Yeah, with better actors, but you still got to be like, wait, was it the doorman? You know what I mean? That's like a classic law and order swerve. But I think that

Speaker 2 you also, when you were texting Rob and me about it, you brought up Presumed Innocent. Like, where where does it stack up against Presumed Innocent for you?

Speaker 1 I thought it was, I think these are all around the same

Speaker 1 from a quality level. Presumed Innocent was fun because

Speaker 1 Jake Gyllenhaal was just a bigger star than

Speaker 1 anyone in your friends and neighbors or better sister.

Speaker 1 So that part was fun. But that Presumed Innocent also had a lot of issues.
I mean,

Speaker 1 his marriage and the chemistry he had with the actress who played us with that, that was way off. The kids, the ending of it was really stupid.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this didn't have a stupid ending, I thought. This didn't have an annoying kid.
I liked the teen kid that they got. He was kids.

Speaker 2 This didn't have a character where I'm like, oh, I can't believe I'm spending more time with this person.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I would say Presumed Innocent, I think, had higher highs. To your point, Jake Gyllenhol,

Speaker 2 Rob and I love Peter Sarsgaard so much on that show. You know, like there were like really higher highs, but it was trying to be very arty.

Speaker 2 The ending was so stupid and Presumed Innocent, the like swerve that they made off of the book and stuff like that. This, again, is just like not trying to

Speaker 2 be sophisticated. It's just trying to be, you know, a ham and cheese sandwich.
And it's like a really good ham and cheese sandwich.

Speaker 1 I was ready for a ham and cheese sandwich.

Speaker 1 We're going to do spoilers much later. So I'm going to keep the first half.
We can talk big picture and then second half we can go into

Speaker 1 some of this stuff. But

Speaker 1 it does feel like we have a playbook for these shows at this point. Dead body.

Speaker 1 Our hero couldn't have done it. Wait, did she? Could, could he or she have done it? Yeah.
Was it this person?

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, this character, the quirky, kind of crazy sidekick character. Huh, what's going on with them? In this case, Matthew Modine.
Ah, there's a cop

Speaker 1 who doesn't have a lot to work with, but is really playing up some

Speaker 1 sort of personality trait and just going for it on that end. Oh, there's a little, another sidekick.
In this case, Elizabeth Banks, who's the, the other sister, is kind of this,

Speaker 1 is kind of the SARS guard in this one, where just like the actor who has the most kind of stuff to do. Yeah.
Jessica Beale is handicapped with the,

Speaker 1 I have to be the prim, pristine, rich, wealthy wife who's just looking like this half the time.

Speaker 1 And, but Elizabeth Banks, the part is way more fun. Don't you agree?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And something I love about

Speaker 2 a show like this is they obviously like cast the show and then they did rewrites to get specific with like the way in which some of the actors look.

Speaker 2 Like, they kept making fun of that one cop for like when he shaved off his mustache and all this other stuff.

Speaker 2 And then with Jessica Beale, at one point, someone describes her as having like gymnast arms, uh, you know, because her arms are incredible, but like you're also just like looking at them half the time because they're so dazzling.

Speaker 2 Um, but yeah, yeah, Jessica Beale has a very but but she was way better than I expected her to be. I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 2 Like, I I don't have high expectations for Jessica Beale, and she doesn't have a ton of variation she has to play, but there's like, you know, when things, when everything unravels at the end, again, we're not getting into spoilers, there's some crying jags that I like bought.

Speaker 2 I, you know, I was, I was like, I'm convinced by what's going on here.

Speaker 1 I watched the first four episodes with my wife, and she said multiple times was just admiring how toned and awesome Jessica Beale looked. Like, oh, man, great arms.
Wow, her butt looks awesome.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. The whole thing.
Yeah. Like, just like, wow, she really put in the time.

Speaker 2 Pilates poster girl, Jessica Beale, looks incredible.

Speaker 1 It was like being at the NFL draft combine, watching somebody admire like an offensive lineman. But yeah, I listen, I didn't have a lot of high hopes for her either.
As,

Speaker 1 you know, and it is interesting to think of as you rise up the ladder of caliber of actresses.

Speaker 1 Like if Kate Winslet is in this part, or we go, we go like up there. We go Kate Blanchette like five years ago, or we go to that level.
What else did they have?

Speaker 1 What more could they have brought to the table? And I'm not sure that was the point of the part. I don't want it.

Speaker 2 I don't want that because, again, that's trying to be better than this show actually is, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, the only person here I think who is like possibly a little too good for the show, what the show actually is, is Elizabeth Banks.

Speaker 2 But, like, since she got her start in comedy, she's like a comedy actress in a lot of aspects inside of this drama. And so that all works really well for me.

Speaker 2 I think,

Speaker 2 you know, you mentioned Kate Blanchett or Kate Winslet. you know, we have to think of

Speaker 2 the Kates, the various Kates. Marybe's Town,

Speaker 2 this is, that's the HBO version of this without a head injury, right? Like, that's what that is.

Speaker 1 And that was a really good show.

Speaker 2 Great show. Perfect show.
Disclaimer, Kate Blanchette, disaster of a show. And that's another sort of like mystery apple.

Speaker 2 What are we doing here? We're trying to be something really arty and sophisticated, but it's based, but that show was also based on, like this show is on, based on a beach read book.

Speaker 2 If you're going to adapt a beach read book, just do that's that's the level that we need from that every time.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, yeah, she you have to look good. I have to believe you were a high society wife who also was running a magazine.

Speaker 1 Um, you only need to do basically three different acting things. You need to be like kind of aggro,

Speaker 1 you need to be just completely stunned, or you need to cry.

Speaker 2 Also, you need the haircut, which she and Leslie Bibb both did.

Speaker 1 Multiple haircuts, right? Yeah, sure. You need like, you need to go backwards.
And then Elizabeth Banks, who I think

Speaker 1 I thought she dialed it up the first couple episodes and then gradually came down to where it needed to be. There was definitely some send this scene to the Emmy Reel kind of acting coming from her.

Speaker 1 Like really, really. It was like, all right, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Elizabeth.
Maybe one more take.

Speaker 1 But she was really going for it. And I think she could smell the Emmys from the moment she shows up in this thing.
She's

Speaker 1 out of control.

Speaker 2 The character's just like a Hot Mess Express. Like, that's, that's the, that's the character description.
And Hot Mess Express with a heart of gold is, you know, is what we're dealing with here.

Speaker 2 And I think she, she really delivered on that. And I think, I think the contract, like, I think it's really good casting.
Beal and Banks are, are really believable sisters to me.

Speaker 2 There's like something in them that feels sisterly, but it's just sort of like the road not taken.

Speaker 2 Elizabeth Banks is the older sister who has a long history of, you know, abusing drugs and alcohol, etc.

Speaker 1 So that's like

Speaker 2 hot mess express. And then Jessica Beale is like the version who just always did everything.

Speaker 2 Right. The better sister, you know, to your point.

Speaker 1 And good title. I got to say that one of the best things about this show, good title.
Good title. Made sense immediately.
I was like, I get this. I know who the better sister is.

Speaker 1 I know who the worst sister is.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, or like, it was one of challenging or doobie you. And I think that like, um,

Speaker 2 Lorraine Toussaint, who plays Catherine, the sort of like, you know,

Speaker 2 Jessica Beale's boss, she later in the, in the season, says something about, like, oh, it's like a Danielle Steele novel, isn't it? The two sisters, blah, blah, blah. Exactly.
Like, it's juicy.

Speaker 2 It's soapy. It's like, it's trashy in a really fun way.

Speaker 1 Great. It is.
I've made this point many times before on this podcast and on my podcast. I've always felt like sisters are the underrated piece of turf for TVs and movies.

Speaker 1 The dynamic of sisters and all the baggage that comes with it is so fat and this show did a good job of fresh especially in the early episodes because nobody can be meaner

Speaker 1 than two sisters to one another it's the it's the highest meanest level two human beings can get it's pretty tough or but there's also this like love and affection and that there's just all the stuff that makes really compelling tv and obviously i'm an only child i i only know uh the sisters like on my dad's side of the family because my dad had two sisters that were really really close so i I saw that.

Speaker 1 I saw the happy version of it, but this version of it was really cool. And then you bring in, like, wait, they were both with our guy, Corey Stoll.
Corey Stoll, perfect. Corey, perfect.

Speaker 1 He's available.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's, he's, he's booked. He's busy.
Poor man's Peter Sarasgaard is here and uh, just like really perfect casting for this role. Like really, just like.

Speaker 1 He's had a nice run. His IMDb is swollen from the last 15 years.

Speaker 2 No one does like smug asshole better than Corey Stoll, genuinely. Really, really huge fan of his.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when his character, when we learn, again, I'll give the official, we'll go to a break and we'll be like, all right, it's time for spoilers.

Speaker 1 When we learn one thing about his character, it's like, of course. Of course.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Obviously. Of course.
Of course he's doing that. So you mentioned how

Speaker 1 this show from the Apple where the Apple just has the two stars and then basically tries to get lucky with everybody else. But this star, this show had Corey Stoll and Kim Dickens,

Speaker 1 who I thought was really good as the as the police sergeant or cop, whatever she was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the detective, this detective storyline is anchored by Kim Dickens. Matthew Modine has is anchoring this like shadowy legal case side of the story.
Laurie.

Speaker 1 It's great to see him. I love Matthew Modine.
I'm not positive what he's going for in this show, but I think it's just gay.

Speaker 2 He's like, my character's gay, so I'll wear a lot of ascots.

Speaker 1 It seemed to me. He's wearing ascots and like he changed his voice.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 He had a voice like

Speaker 1 this. And I was like, all right, you've made some choices.

Speaker 2 Those are the swings that Matthew Modine decided to take. Lorraine Chison is like anchoring the media mogul side.
Like every storyline has an actor that I want to spend time with.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I love Lorraine, but it was an interesting performance. She was also, I thought she was really going for it.
There was that mushroom scene. That mushroom scene.
You didn't like that.

Speaker 1 Wow,

Speaker 1 you're going hard here.

Speaker 2 I love the mushroom scene. And Gloria Rubin.
Like, you know, as we are in our ER celebration era after the pick, Gloria Rubin's here and to be the defense attorney.

Speaker 1 So that delighted me. Yeah.
It was great to see her. It's hard.

Speaker 1 Every time these ER characters pop up back into our life, now, you know, I'm obviously a little older than some of the people listening to this, but ER was such like a huge, massive show.

Speaker 1 And you had such an attachment to so many of the people on there. And I always root for them whenever I see them and anything else.
So with her, I was like, oh,

Speaker 2 exactly. Look at you.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 maybe you have a little bit of history with our guy jake who knows there's let's get a little flirty yeah a little and a little nasty uh it's pretty great one other thing with elizabeth banks felt like she did a no makeup decision for the first couple episodes to to to add to the hot mess express

Speaker 2 did you notice that to me more than anything uh it was the like the bad blonde dye job this is something that like uh she really dumped she really dumbed the look down in a bunch of ways the um um like trying to disguise her inherent hotness.

Speaker 2 The um

Speaker 2 over on the on the Netflix show sirens, Megan Fahey, uh, who we loved in White Lotus Season 2, plays a similar hot mess express sister and has like the exact same peroxide die job.

Speaker 2 Like, this is the classic my sister's a mess, her roots are grown out, uh, die job look on these women in an attempt to disguise their absolute smoking hot.

Speaker 1 I like how you brought up sirens. Like, there was no chance I didn't watch all five episodes.

Speaker 2 Did you enjoy sirens?

Speaker 1 sirens not really no i didn't that was one that was that was the one i took one for the team for my wife because there's been a lot of nba playoffs out of my house so she's sirens she's like all in first day uh i didn't think it was very good i hated sirens man so i didn't really understand what the point of it was and i also thought the lead like the femme fatale the the mega fahey sister i just didn't think was good i didn't buy the character and uh i that that show kind of hinged on her being incredible and she wasn't She was really good on House of the Dragon.

Speaker 2 She's going to be supergirl. Like, she's great, but like, not in that role.
And, and that whole thing was just, it's not what I would have want from Julianne Moore.

Speaker 2 It's not what I want from Kevin Bacon. It's not what I want from anyone.
And I think that's just like, again, a bad version of what this show does really well.

Speaker 2 Like that, you know, that's like a ham and cheese sandwich, but like it's all cheese, no ham.

Speaker 1 You know what's great about that show, though? It did check some boxes. It had an awesome, awesome house.
Oh, yeah. And some weird island that I didn't know anything about.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, episode two it's just on i'm just googling the island i'm like what's going on here how far is it from new york city there's a 40-minute deep dive on is this place i didn't know existed is watching tv like being on zillow for you

Speaker 1 google it's all yeah it's just it's a way station for me to just look stuff up or look up stuff on ebay yeah um but that show was i thought pretty bad i thought that i would give that show

Speaker 1 we were doing a grade system yeah that's like a d for me. Yeah, what is that? I thought this was like a B or a B plus.

Speaker 2 Yeah, B plus.

Speaker 1 Somewhere in there, depending on what you wanted.

Speaker 1 It had the same issues some of these other shows have. It probably should have been six episodes.
They stretched it.

Speaker 2 It should have been six episodes.

Speaker 2 Can I take you behind the curtain of what happened this weekend of me watching the show? No, go ahead. You texted us.
I had not seen it. Rob had not seen it.

Speaker 1 Oh, so I got you excited.

Speaker 2 I went out to lunch with my cousin who had watched the first three episodes. And I was like, all right, tell me what, tell me what the show is, what's happening on the show.

Speaker 2 And And she recapped the first three episodes for me.

Speaker 2 And then it was just like really fun to sit there with her and try to put out all my guesses as to who did it, having not seen a single second of the show. I was just like, let me try to guess.

Speaker 2 And I will say, I guessed correctly. I mean, I did a bunch of guesses, but one of them was correct.

Speaker 2 You know, throw, throw enough darts at the wall, you'll hit the bullseye.

Speaker 2 But it was funny to like hear the recap and I was like, oh, okay, this is, this is, I know exactly what this show is.

Speaker 1 And that sort of prepped me for for the right expectations going in which i think is why i had such a good time with it i think he just came up with like a 15 minute prestige tv podcast idea guess he did it a show is coming out and we just look at the imdb and watch the trailer and try to guess exactly what happened i love it everybody gets like a four minute here's what i think and then it just goes and then that's it and whoever wins wins like a booby prize i love it what's the next one we could do for that i don't know that's a good question that wouldn't work for like the bear it has to be like one of these like a new one-off starry kind of show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, where it's like a summer book with some sort of crime. Yeah.
Something gets solved. Somebody's a detective.
And then you just kind of guess what happens.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you something. Apple, Amazon, or Netflix will have a show for us in the next two months.
It's just a border, especially during the summer.

Speaker 2 Summer.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, Malibu, Hampton.
Somebody's getting murdered. A lot of suspects.

Speaker 2 Let's go. We're all chasing big little lies.
And this is not a big little lies is an A show, at At least the first season is.

Speaker 1 I would say A plus. Yeah.
First season. That is like everything I want from one of these shows.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And then, you know, this is like the B plus version of A Big Little Lies.

Speaker 1 And well, that's interesting you mentioned that about, because that's the Jessica Beale. That would have been

Speaker 1 the highest version of the Jessica Beal character. It was Nicole Kidman, like 10 years ago as running a magazine.
And like, wow, she's doing this show. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 This isn't a spoiler. I think it's just like

Speaker 2 the gimmick of the a gimmick of the show are these like ghost you get a lot of flashback stuff you also get this like strange like sort of ghost conversations how did you feel about that as like a device then just felt like padding i thought as again this was a six episode show yeah and they had to throw in some gimmicks and some red herrings to just stretch it stretch two more hours out of out of whatever was happening our two main ghosts we should say are like is their dad The you know, the two girls had this abusive dad.

Speaker 2 So like that character is is a ghost who pops up and they have conversations with, and then Corey Stahl, who was the murder victim you know, in the first minute of the show, so that's not a spoiler.

Speaker 2 So, um,

Speaker 2 like dead husband, dead dad, and then conversations with the living, but it's not really a supposed to be a ghost thing, it's almost like a memory therapy thing, and didn't love it, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, I also like Corey Stahl as an actor. I actually thought he was a little too likable

Speaker 1 in the first two episodes. So, when we have a little bit of a turn as it keeps going

Speaker 2 i i didn't feel like he i didn't know if i believed the the dark side for him i think for me i'm always suspicious of corey yeah okay maybe maybe i just like him more i like him a lot but i think he always plays characters and i'm like i don't trust you at all so

Speaker 1 all right well we'll take a let's take a

Speaker 1 let's take a break So if you're listening to this and you haven't watched the show yet,

Speaker 1 feel free to turn it off because we're going to hit some spoilers because I have some questions about what we watch with this show. Okay.

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Speaker 1 We are now in the spoiler part of this episode. So, did you Google how long it took to drive from Cleveland to the Hamptons?

Speaker 2 No. How long does it take to drive from Cleveland to the Hamptons?

Speaker 1 Eight hour and 50-minute drive. It's 556 miles, but now you got to work in the Hampton traffic.
So, it's probably

Speaker 1 10, 11, I'm going to say, for one-way.

Speaker 2 Depending on time of day, right, for the Hamptons traffic.

Speaker 1 Right. But she gets

Speaker 1 worried about,

Speaker 1 she gets worried.

Speaker 2 We should say, should we say, yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1 We'll start spoiling it.

Speaker 2 Elizabeth Banks did it.

Speaker 1 Elizabeth Banks did it. And it hinges on, she couldn't have done it.
She's in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 This, okay, spoilers, not just for this show, but I'm just about to spoil the reveal of the murder mystery for your friends and neighbors, which wasn't even like 5% of the plot of that show, but like, I am going to reveal it right now.

Speaker 2 This is the second show in a row where the cell phone pinging the tower was the like alibi that proved to not be true. And this is exactly what happened.
I was at lunch with my cousin.

Speaker 2 She's like, I was like, do you think Elizabeth Banks did it? She said, she couldn't have. Her cell phone pinged in Cleveland.
I was like, they tried to get me with that and your friends and neighbors.

Speaker 1 Cell ping doesn't work. Just need that cell phone.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. Moratorium on cell phone pinging as the

Speaker 1 year. Yeah, like a year hiatus.
Yeah. Well, they show the phone.

Speaker 1 suspiciously in the first episode and it's cracked.

Speaker 2 Smashed, yeah.

Speaker 1 And they show it.

Speaker 1 And when you see it in the first episode, you think, oh, they're doing this to show that this lady is like, does not have a lot of money. She can't even fix her broken iPhone screen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not why they showed it.
They showed it for the callback at the end of the season, where it's like, ah, remember that phone with the smash screen? Yeah.

Speaker 1 She left it in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 That's B plus material, baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was pretty good. I was impressed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So she zoomed down there.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 I'm going to start picking nets immediately here. Okay.
She zooms down there,

Speaker 1 kills the guy.

Speaker 1 Her DNA is not on him. They never think to.

Speaker 2 Well, it is, but they don't.

Speaker 1 They don't. They never think to test her and they just blindly accept, oh, her phone pinged in Cleveland.
Cross her off. She had like an incredible motive and she was a Hot Best Express.

Speaker 1 Not only that. No way she did it.

Speaker 2 But when the like, when later they're investigating the doorman and his alibi doesn't check out because they interviewed the bartender, I was like, why did nobody ask the bar?

Speaker 2 You know, if his alibi was like, I was at the bar watching the game and they're like, okay, sounds good. And nobody checks it.

Speaker 1 And then later,

Speaker 2 later they ask the bartender. They're like, well, it turns out you left the bar.

Speaker 2 And I was like, why did nobody, you know, was, was, is the answer that they got so distracted and enamored by the teen son as a suspect that they just sort of dropped everything else?

Speaker 1 Who also wasn't a great suspect, the teen son?

Speaker 2 Like, as far as like the show is concerned, or as far as like the cops should not have suspected the teen son?

Speaker 1 What was his motive? Why the teen son? So the reason that he starts going down this road is because he feels like he's covering up for his mom, which I actually like that ring. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's good. That's a good son.

Speaker 1 Brings a gun to school. Why did he bring a gun to school? Because he was worried one of his parents would kill the other with it.
Do you have to bring it to school? Probably not.

Speaker 1 Maybe you could hide in the backyard and have the same effect. Just putting that out you have a pretty big house.
Probably put that gun somewhere.

Speaker 1 Not sure you have to bring it to school, which is an automatic. You're getting expelled.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I just feel like the flaw of this show fundamentally is that Elizabeth Banks should have been a much bigger suspect. Of course.

Speaker 1 And they should have really checked that out and been like, well, wait a second. Plus, we have cameras everywhere now.
And I find it hard to believe.

Speaker 2 First, in this you don't think she has John Ham's Wi-Fi remote from your friends and neighbors where she could just

Speaker 1 feel like this shit exists, but they have this expensive house. They have no ring camera.
Right, exactly. There's none of the neighbors have a camera that shows the street.
Like,

Speaker 1 this is very 2005.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we live in a surveillance state. You can't get away with murder anymore.

Speaker 1 No, it's impossible. Yeah.
Listen, I kick myself every day. I miss my chance to murder people.

Speaker 2 Oh, the 90s. What a time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a great time. The 70s were the heyday.
You could just get in a van and pick up pitchhikers. Nobody knew what was going on.
Now it's it's like your camera's everywhere.

Speaker 2 What could have been for you, Bill?

Speaker 1 What could have been? Different career entirely.

Speaker 1 Those 70s killers really had it going.

Speaker 1 So the son, I just feel like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I didn't never believed in the motive, and he didn't seem like a killer to me.

Speaker 2 But did you agree? Do you agree with me that he was like not an annoying teen actor?

Speaker 1 He was good. I thought he was a good actor.

Speaker 2 I thought he was really good. I thought all the like jail stuff with him was really good.
I think that

Speaker 1 and I wonder

Speaker 2 when they arrest him, I was like, oh, this is, this is, this feels like a kickback of like the series of murder shows we've seen recently where they, where the teen kid did it.

Speaker 2 And they're like, we're going to arrest the teen kid first.

Speaker 2 And that's going to be, and you know, that's not who did it because if they arrest him first, there's always the chance for the double twist and you come back around and it was the kid.

Speaker 2 But no, he was, he was like a gentle giant, this, this, this whole

Speaker 2 who had a night costume under his bed. What a sweetie.
Come on, House of R.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it's the teen son always like if I'm murdered, my teen son would be a suspect immediately just because that's how it goes, apparently.

Speaker 1 But the answer would be Sean Fantasy killed me to take over the Rewatchables.

Speaker 2 Oh, is that? Is that they would figure that out on episode eight.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Sean feels the kind of person who might get away with murder.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. Yeah, we never have, we never have a season finale.
No. It's just the season finale is just Sean doing like a Wes Anderson month

Speaker 1 and I'm just dead.

Speaker 2 That's how you'll know. That's how you know Sean did it if he celebrates with Wes Anderson Month on the rewatchables.

Speaker 1 What is wait?

Speaker 1 Getting away from the spoilers for a second. You say you're Jessica Beale, I was kind of surprised.
I didn't know she had this in her. So you were very pro Elizabeth Banks before this?

Speaker 2 Yeah, in general? Are you not pro-Elizabeth Banks?

Speaker 1 I really liked her in the 2000s and some of the stuff she was doing early on. And I thought,

Speaker 1 I really thought there was a a chance for like a Reese Witherspoon kind of run for her. Like, she, like, she's in this Mark Wahlberg sports movie called Invincible.

Speaker 1 And she's really good as the, as like the girlfriend. And it's like one of those like classic shitty sports movie parts where the girl, it's like, oh, it's the love interest.

Speaker 1 And there's like nothing there, but she's awesome in it. And I remember after that thinking like,

Speaker 1 oh,

Speaker 1 this will just be, she'll move into that Reese Witherspoon, Sandra Boat thing. And in some ways, it happened.
In other ways, it didn't. But she also did a lot more stuff behind the scenes.
Yeah, her.

Speaker 1 And in a weird way, she had more success.

Speaker 1 As like a producer-director. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Her pitch perfect run. She's forever, iconically, a Hunger Games character.
So she will forever be.

Speaker 1 The Hunger Games was the big thing for her.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she will forever be someone for generations because of her involvement in Hunger Games. Pitch Perfect is a huge thing for her.
And I think that, like,

Speaker 2 yeah, she did not become the A-lister

Speaker 2 leading woman in front of the the camera that I think, you know, maybe some of her earliest stuff promised.

Speaker 1 Almost there.

Speaker 2 But I think she carved a really interesting path for herself.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'm never unhappy to see her.

Speaker 1 I think that what she earned with Better Sister Now

Speaker 1 is she now has a five, six year runway for those big little lies type shows. Oh, moving on.
Like she's now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's like, it's like sports. There's some people aging out of the demo.
And now she's like, I'm moving right in.

Speaker 1 It's like, my son's in college and now I'm drinking too much, and blah, blah, blah. And oh, my husband's dead.
She could have two of those.

Speaker 2 Here's my nit to pick.

Speaker 2 You know, you're on Zillow Watch when you're watching these shows. I'm usually on, how old is this person actually

Speaker 2 watch? That's like

Speaker 1 I'm on five watches.

Speaker 2 Okay, you're you contain multitudes. Janelle Maloney from the West Wing plays the mom of Jessica Beale Elizabeth Banks.
Wow. And she is

Speaker 2 10 to 12 years older than them. And I just wanted to put that out there in the world.

Speaker 1 Interesting.

Speaker 1 Well, so how old was Gloria Rubens?

Speaker 2 Gloria Rubin is.

Speaker 1 Gloria Rubens, sorry. Yeah.
Gloria Rubin

Speaker 2 is 60.

Speaker 1 Looks phenomenal. And that guy, Jake, that

Speaker 1 pretty clear that had some sort of history. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say he's like late 30s.

Speaker 2 38, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jake.

Speaker 2 You know, up and down the Hamptons, I guess.

Speaker 1 He's all over the place. Up and down the Hamptons.

Speaker 1 I have more nitpicks. Okay.
So

Speaker 1 this is probably a me problem

Speaker 1 and not a show problem. But it does get a little complicated.
And like with this whole plot with framing and framing Matthew Modine's character.

Speaker 1 And we have that, and there's a shadow thing, and then Jake's dead at the end. And there's a lot going on in that final episode that if you're not paying full attention,

Speaker 1 you almost have to go backwards. Like, all right, I got to watch this 30 minutes again because they just unleashed nine things at me here.
And

Speaker 1 I think that's okay. That might be me problem, but what did you think?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, that's the, that's usually, I think it's just the, the fact that it's the opposite of the usual final episode of the show.

Speaker 2 The final episode of the show of these kinds of show, usually you find out who did it. You've usually already figured it out who did it.

Speaker 2 So you're quite bored by the reveal or it's such a stupid twist, like presumed it is.

Speaker 2 So they throw in three more things yeah so this has like yeah it's we find out who'd done it at the basically the end of the previous episode uh into the very beginning of the of the final episode and so it's not the question at the end of the show is not who'd done it it's like is she gonna get away with it which i don't know about you but i was rooting for her to get away with it you know she's like starting this new romance with this guy she met in aa always a great idea um you know she's got a relationship with her kid

Speaker 2 yeah what could possibly go wrong? She's got this relationship with her kid. Like, I was like, I want Elizabeth Thanks to thrive,

Speaker 2 you know, after this. I want her to get away with it.
So how are they going to figure this out? And it evolves

Speaker 2 shittily, I guess, exposing Kim Dickens' character.

Speaker 2 And also, it's like a double, you know, scheme.

Speaker 1 They have to. The Kim Dickens thing came pretty late.

Speaker 2 The her anger management stuff and all of that.

Speaker 1 It sounded like that got thrown in.

Speaker 2 You should have seated that earlier.

Speaker 1 I agree. I would agree with that.
I would have seen it, I would have liked to have seen a flash of it too. Yeah, yeah.
Like the first couple episodes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But Kim Dickens is doing in this episode, in this show, what you know, there's that like hard-boiled detective character and your friends and neighbors that Rob and I were both like, oh, brother.

Speaker 2 Kim Dickens is like, let me show you how it's done.

Speaker 1 This is how you do it. Totally.
So

Speaker 1 yeah. I actually, she had a couple of really good acting moments in that.
Like, she tells that story about when she was ahead of her,

Speaker 1 ahead of the other cops and caught the suspect, but it was a bad idea. And she was, it was pretty solid.
yeah. Yeah.
Um,

Speaker 1 so they throw in this thing at the end

Speaker 1 where Jake's dead, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it feels like the only reason they did that was to set up Amazon, might pick us up for season two. We need like some sort of hook because otherwise,

Speaker 2 that didn't occur to me.

Speaker 1 I hate that. Yeah, I'm a cynical person.
Um, otherwise, it made no sense. Why was he dead? Who killed him? It was, he, he makes some illusion at some point too.
They find out that

Speaker 1 I'm a dead man, but they don't follow it up really. And it just feels very season two-ish.

Speaker 2 Well, you're really right. It would be a terrible idea to be clear, Amazon, if you're listening.

Speaker 2 Don't do this. It didn't work for big little lies.
It won't work for you.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 yeah, there's that. And there's also the rogue FBI agent

Speaker 2 and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 Jessica Beal, and in her wrapping up of everything,

Speaker 2 she's going to frame Matthew Modine, but she's also like calling in a complaint against the FBI agent.

Speaker 2 Sort of, I was wondering if they were going to try to frame him for something, but sort of, so like, there's, there's that thread is sort of open a bit. And then

Speaker 2 is, isn't the implication, though, that Matthew Modine had

Speaker 2 Jake killed? Because he's on the phone with the gentry group goons, whoever they are, and is like, gentry group, evil, just an evil group.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what they do. They're just evil.

Speaker 2 Slave labor, human trafficking to build statements.

Speaker 1 I forgot. Yeah, human trafficker, but they're called the genture group.
It sounds like a law firm.

Speaker 2 But he's like, Jake's no longer a problem. And then, and then, and then Jessica Beale's character like hears something in the house and goes outside with her gun, and then nothing comes of that.

Speaker 2 I don't know. So, yeah, you're always right about this stuff.

Speaker 1 Matthew Modine was like, he pulled his ascot. He's like, Jake's no longer a problem.

Speaker 1 His ascot game.

Speaker 1 First of all,

Speaker 1 who knew ascots were still a thing in 2025?

Speaker 1 No, it's really Modine. Yeah, Modine was trying to bring it back.

Speaker 2 At one point, his Ascot

Speaker 2 affliction is so severe that at one point he's wearing an Ascot with like a tight polo shirt.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, this is when he's wearing an Ascot with like a button down or whatever, but he's or like a sweater, but he's wearing it with a, with an over a tight polo.

Speaker 2 And I was like, happy Pride Month, Matthew Modine, I guess. Here you are.

Speaker 1 So I think he saw an episode of Scooby-Doo and was like, you know, Fred's ascot. I don't, I think that maybe that could add that to my look.

Speaker 2 You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Fred Core. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I didn't, the Jake thing I thought was super weird. Um, that one of the things that bothered me the entire season,

Speaker 1 which I, I can't remember, they might have established in episode three in the flashback where she has the knife,

Speaker 1 Jessica Beale,

Speaker 1 puts it in the glove compartment of her car.

Speaker 1 Just keeps it there.

Speaker 1 Like one of the first things anybody is going to search.

Speaker 1 Her fingerprints are all over it.

Speaker 2 Finds the files in the glove compartment. Finds the secret gentry group, the human trafficking files in the safe in her Manhattan apartment.
They didn't search the safe of the murder victims.

Speaker 1 They didn't search anything. How about this Kim Dickens? Terrible at her job.
She's just mangling the investigation all over the place. Pretty bad.
How do they not check the glove compartment? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then Elizabeth Banks opens the thing and is like, oh, there's the gun that our dad gave us once upon a time. There's blood all over it.
I wonder what this is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, the cops not at the top of their game in this show, in this B-plus

Speaker 2 Amazon Prime show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, though, the Kim Dickens sidekick, mustache, no more mustache guy. No more mustache guy.
So he has a mustache for

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 this guy doesn't really stand out in any way. He's not funny.
He's not really sinister enough.

Speaker 1 His big move is he had a mustache and they shaved it and they mentioned it. Other than that, I don't know why he's here.
And this was a classic. And I was trying to.

Speaker 1 Maybe you could have gotten more from this part from somebody else.

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe. I was trying to look up if this was like a Henry Cow, like, did he have to shave it for another role that he was doing?

Speaker 2 And then they decided to make like a big deal of it inside of the show because there's no other reason.

Speaker 1 He stopped shooting for a month and he had to, and then they had to like felt like the obligated to mention it.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, you know, feel free to tell me if anyone's listening and they know the answer to this, but I, like, the only other thing I could see on his CV that was right around the same time is the beekeeper.

Speaker 2 And he's got facial hair in that one. So I was like, I don't know.
I don't know what happened that he shaved his mustache and they decided to make a big deal of it, but they did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a weird one. What did you think of how they did rich people stuff in the show? Because that's always an essential piece of these shows.

Speaker 1 I really like, I got to say, I really like their apartment in New York City.

Speaker 2 You're our correspondent, Bill, on this front. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know anything about the New York City apartment. luxury parts, but it did feel like it checked a lot of boxes for things I've seen in other shows.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you what I know, which is New York Legacy Media. So the way in which they were trying to do,

Speaker 2 definitely trying to do Vanity Fair with her magazine.

Speaker 2 And so all the stuff we got, like down to the font of the logo and stuff like that. So, and her Anna Wintor-esque Bob.

Speaker 2 I mean, of course, that's Vogue, but like, you know, she's just trying to run this Conan-assed kind of circle. And I,

Speaker 2 they got, they got some things right there. They got some things quite right there.

Speaker 1 That was another one of my nitpicks. You're just going on leave immediately if you're in a giant murder investigation.

Speaker 1 They're like, hey, they have to do this big scene where her boss is like, hey, we talked to the board and we want you to take a leave of absence. Guess what?

Speaker 1 The leave of absence is happening when your whole family is in a murder investigation. You're not just going to go to work on a Tuesday and be like, okay, so let's talk about the front of the book.

Speaker 1 Let's go. What do we have for our last feature? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What should the letter to the editor be this month, do you think?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, and then the other thing is, i'm sorry they they don't speed rush murder investigations these things take forever like karen reed which is like the biggest murder thing happening in massachusetts this decade takes forever and you can't just be like all right we'll move that up to april 9th like these go for like two three years so by the time this kid actually goes to trial for this murder it's at least a year after the murder Okay.

Speaker 1 Right. He's he's already like graduated from high school.
He's not like, all right, I guess I'm back in time for my

Speaker 1 chem exam.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's done. He's, he's missed a year and a half of school.

Speaker 2 They do, a lot of time does pass in a way that you're not really noticing because they'll say like, hey, the trial is six weeks from now and then it'll be in the next scene. So like six weeks pass.

Speaker 2 She's there.

Speaker 1 They're like no trial is six weeks from now. They take six, nine months.

Speaker 2 But I'm just saying like they're also.

Speaker 2 uh speed running a lot of time in this show like this took a place you would think watching it over a couple weeks but i think it was months and months and months that this show takes place but you're saying it should have been years and um but I'm saying I wouldn't have kids 20 by the time he's free.

Speaker 2 I'm telling you, Bill, I would not want to watch years of the life of these people.

Speaker 1 So well, here's another thing. So we, if we're stretching it out to eight episodes,

Speaker 1 give me the kid in jail for a couple scenes. Is he scared?

Speaker 1 Does he feel like, does he have to fight somebody the first day or else he's going to become a target for all the other inmates? Is he in solitary? I don't know. Is they calling a murderer?

Speaker 1 Why did he have the black eye?

Speaker 2 I feel like I got that from that. He's like, I got beat up.
I didn't know what to do. Now I know what to do.

Speaker 1 and then later he's like i've started i would have loved to have seen it okay sounds really interesting okay uh you know i'm a 17 year old rich kid i'm in a maximum security prison where am i what what is the jail like is he scared is he crying nothing okay season two well it was that it was actually kind of interesting because um

Speaker 2 there are two actors lauren tousson and and then the guy who plays artie are orange and the new black actors and so i was wondering if there was like dna crossover between those two shows but like um

Speaker 2 yeah so you wanted orange the new black but with this teenage kid uh in prison i'm just saying it was sitting there okay what would you what would you have cut what plotline would you cut in order to spend time in prison with this teen kid

Speaker 1 i i thought the there was a little too much banks hot mess express AA meetings.

Speaker 2 You would have cut the AA meetings.

Speaker 1 Probably would have cut the AA meetings. Okay.
But then we don't.

Speaker 1 That's a a cheap gimmick we don't meet hot weathered uh author guy you know yeah i'm not sure we needed that guy either um

Speaker 1 but maybe we'd have cut some jake maybe maybe two less ascot scenes oh yeah yeah definitely cut cut the ascot month i'm not asking for 45 minutes in prison but give me like the first night in jail give me like he's going to get food and somebody hits him over the head with a with a tray and he's got to like fight back or he's got some guy on the inside being like you're going to be a target unless you show them that you got it.

Speaker 1 You're going to stand up for yourself. So now he gets that, just give me like three jail scenes.

Speaker 2 This is your Oz fan coming out.

Speaker 2 Easy content.

Speaker 1 You always do it. Easy content.
I see. Well, when somebody goes to jail, naturally, you put yourself in the position, it's everybody's worst case scenario to go to jail.

Speaker 1 And I kind of want to know what he's thinking. He just seems not damaged enough by the end of this.
He's like, oh, let's make some eggs.

Speaker 2 Do you think that they didn't show him in jail because they wanted to keep you in doubt as to whether or not he did it?

Speaker 2 And if you spent like literally any more time with that kid, you're like, that kid definitely did this.

Speaker 1 But I mean, you mentioned it earlier with the law and order template.

Speaker 1 The person who gets arrested in the first 25% of a show like this ends up not being the killer. So it's almost like you cross him off once he gets arrested.

Speaker 2 It's very true.

Speaker 1 But the cover-up thing was a very good angle that I don't remember seeing before.

Speaker 1 That he felt like he had to do this because he didn't want his mom to go to jail.

Speaker 2 I feel like we've seen that before.

Speaker 2 And I could not name for you what it is right now, but a sort of like, I thought you did it. I thought you did it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it does feel vaguely familiar, but I did like it.

Speaker 2 Jessica Beale, you mentioned sort of like all the confusing wheelings and dealings in the last episode.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I think I sat up and paid attention because we had been primed for that. Because midway through the season, like in order to get her son

Speaker 2 free and out of court,

Speaker 2 she goes and fucks Jake and sets him up. And I thought that was like a beautiful, ice-cold move from Jessica Beale's character and then puts on this whole performance in court.
And it was just like

Speaker 1 that was the best part of the show.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So you're like on the lookout for her ability to scheme and manipulate things.
And so when she like

Speaker 2 swings by Matthew Mode's place at the end, presumably with like, I don't know, a collection of ascots for his husband, and

Speaker 2 you know, plants the murder weapon. Like, it's great stuff.

Speaker 1 Did you want more trial or less trial? Because presumed innocent leaned the other way and went big in the trial.

Speaker 2 No, that was, I thought that was a perfect amount of trial. I didn't need any more.
It was like two days of testimony. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We had a trial montage, multiple witnesses just banging stuff out.
Yeah. I thought the weakest character

Speaker 1 and actually liked the performance more just how they drew it up was the doorman. Doorman Artie.

Speaker 1 Dorman Artie just

Speaker 1 being that much of a,

Speaker 1 I don't know, an enforcer. he's going to talk shit to Corey Stoll.

Speaker 1 That one didn't totally out.

Speaker 2 I think he was like full of whiskey courage.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 I did like the side plot where he was like selling rich people's cast offs on Craigslist, like the

Speaker 2 residents of the building who were just dumping their couch every couple of years.

Speaker 1 He's just like making

Speaker 1 that might be true, but I hope it's true. Yeah, I think people do that.
I hope it's true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Anything else else we have to hit with this show no i just i think

Speaker 1 now that you're coming to grips with the season two because you know i'm right i know you're always right and it's disappointing um that uh who killed jake could it have been more than what we thought

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 but i think that um maybe if matthew modine dies in prison epstein style no you want

Speaker 1 you're gonna want a whole three-episode arc of matthew modine in prison well no but maybe he it's it's a quote-unquote, he killed himself, but did he?

Speaker 2 Do you think he's killed himself?

Speaker 1 The cameras got shut down for a half hour when he was in sale.

Speaker 2 Can you wear an ascot with an orange jumpsuit? Is that something that you can do?

Speaker 1 Well, that means he gets out of jail and it's, they give him his stuff back, and it's like a wallet and seven ascots.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 you know, Modine's my guy, right?

Speaker 2 Oh, I love Matthew Modine.

Speaker 1 I think. Because Vision Quest is like

Speaker 1 important 80s movie. Married to the middle of the day.
For me, weird did on Rewatchables. Yeah, he's a great run by him.
Yeah, love him.

Speaker 1 Pacific Heights, which we have not done on the Rewatchables yet, but is one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 No, I'm a big, I'm a big Modin fan. I really like his, the Modina sense of like, he's in a, he's in a Chris Hernando and Batman movie.
He's in Stranger Things.

Speaker 2 He's, you know, he's around, he's working. That, that makes me really happy.
Um, the Ascot choice is just, and surely it was not his choice, but it was, it was a really interesting thing.

Speaker 2 Um, I think more shows should aim to be B plus.

Speaker 2 I think we would have a better society if more shows were just delivering solid B plus and not shooting for A when they don't have the ability to get there. Do you know?

Speaker 2 I'd rather a solid B plus show than like a show that's really trying to get to A and winds up in the CE territory as a result, you know?

Speaker 1 I agree with you. And

Speaker 1 I'll give you my score of looking up versus looking down

Speaker 1 that we talked about, which is our version of a sports metric. Okay.
How engrossed you were in the show. I was probably 45% looking up at the TV during this entire show.
It really didn't work.

Speaker 2 At the start of this episode, you said 50-50. You just downgraded it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think I downgraded it five.

Speaker 2 The more I'm thinking about it, it's because they didn't have prison scenes.

Speaker 1 And you were like, no, you would have put those prison scenes in.

Speaker 2 You would have gotten it.

Speaker 1 Those middle episodes, the trial, I was up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, there was some

Speaker 1 other.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you're checked out on Drill Dad.

Speaker 1 You're not here for the sisters hate each other or not? That was another one where all of a sudden they're making eggs in the kitchen together.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I thought you guys didn't talk for 10 years. I thought they jumped

Speaker 1 fast on that.

Speaker 2 That's the point of sisterhood. They're like constantly in and out with each other in this.
Like, Jessica Beale is in with her.

Speaker 1 And then she

Speaker 2 then rats her out to the journalist at the party. You know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's constantly swinging.

Speaker 1 Should she have been more white trashy and more annoying than she was?

Speaker 2 You want, do you want like an accent? Would you have preferred she had been from the South?

Speaker 1 I felt like cigarettes were a must to be honest i don't know why she wasn't chain smoking she was smoking that's how kim dickens got the dna off of her she dropped her i'm saying in every cigarette in the kitchen cigarette every single jessica bail getting mad about you're really gonna keep smoking my house all that like i just would have

Speaker 2 ramped that up the cater waiter at the fancy hampton's party is not trashy enough for you you need that was pretty much yeah that was you need like three more three more of those caterwaiters okay yeah that was that was pretty good okay the mom you like the mom too i really like that actress She was in the penguin, and I think she's really, really good.

Speaker 2 You didn't like her? I like her.

Speaker 1 I felt like she was going for it. She, she

Speaker 2 delivered most of the ham and the ham sandwich, and I thought it was

Speaker 2 delicious.

Speaker 1 I thought it was great. All right, better sister.
I'm going B. You're going, it sounds like you're a B plus.
I'm going a happy B, though. It's not like, I'm not dissing the show.

Speaker 1 It's, it's like a very positive B.

Speaker 2 B plus, the plus you earn for knowing exactly what you are. And I appreciate that about the show.

Speaker 1 And your friends and neighbors, where'd you end up with that? B minus C plus?

Speaker 2 That's a B minus C plus for me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Where are you with that? Where's your college?

Speaker 1 That was a B plus for me. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I really enjoyed it. It's because there's more homes for you to look up on Zillow.

Speaker 1 No, I really like the college episode. I thought I had such a good time that one episode, it bumped the grade up for me.

Speaker 2 It just like had you coasting through the rest of the season. It was just like remembering.

Speaker 1 I did spend at least one episode trying to figure out where they were filming it, which was somewhere past the Connecticut border in New York and that whole like Westchester riot.

Speaker 1 I mean, so I did the deep dive on that.

Speaker 2 That was the Zillowiest show that we've watched in a long time. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there were some really fun houses to look at. But I'll tell you, sirens, it was the one redeeming quality of sirens.
I had no idea that that whole world, I was

Speaker 1 deep diving that one.

Speaker 2 I was really mad at myself for finishing that show, for having watched the whole thing. Really mad at myself.

Speaker 1 I will say, though, our guy, Kevin Bacon, was really good. He looked great.

Speaker 2 He looks phenomenal. Megan Fahey.

Speaker 1 Handsome as ever.

Speaker 2 Megan Fahey also quite good, I thought. Of all the people in that show, I thought she was quite good, but it's not what I want.
I understand why that's where she went after White Lotus, but it's not.

Speaker 2 She deserves better.

Speaker 1 What are you and Rob? What do you have coming up on Prestige? Anything?

Speaker 2 We're doing Stick, the Owen Wilson

Speaker 2 show

Speaker 2 and the golf show. And Rob had never seen Tin Cup, so he's watching Tin Cup for the first time.
And I had never seen Happy Gilmore, so I'm watching Happy Gilmore for the first time.

Speaker 1 So we're going to do a little like. Maybe this will lead to the Sopranos finally.

Speaker 2 Loser guys guys play golf is you know, something we're going to check in on.

Speaker 1 So, all right, good to see you, Joanna.

Speaker 1 Thanks to Kai and John as well. You can check out the Prestige TV podcast as a video podcast if you didn't know that on Spotify.
And we have, what is it, Ringer Dash TV is the YouTube channel? Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks, Joanna.
Good to see you. Thanks, Bill.

Speaker 2 Bye.