‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 2: Who’s Behind the Hotel Robbery?

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Speaker 2 Mallory Rubin is here.

Speaker 1 Hello. Hello.
Hello.

Speaker 2 I'm just,

Speaker 2 you look great, but you look tired. Yeah.
You might be the drinking.

Speaker 1 The old doctor who, yeah, doesn't she look tired? She looked tired. She looks great.
No, brutal.

Speaker 2 Just looks tired.

Speaker 1 You and Mallory's always going out great. You know what I mean? I was going to say to you that your numbers seem like those of a man half your age.
I guess we came in with different energies today.

Speaker 1 She says that to everyone, though.

Speaker 2 All the walking. We are covering episode two, White Lotus.
If you missed episode one, that it's already out there

Speaker 2 in the library and the archives. We have intentionally not been watching ahead.
We've all made it packed.

Speaker 1 It's been very. Why'd you make a face?

Speaker 2 Have you watched a head?

Speaker 1 No, I never watch ahead. I actually hate watching ahead.
I'm the problem. Joe's the problem.

Speaker 1 But I'm not air respects, but honestly.

Speaker 2 We taped episode one yesterday, and then we had to power watch twice episode two, and it's getting good.

Speaker 2 Your favorite thing about episode two, Joe?

Speaker 1 Oh, Goggins getting to be a bit more Goggins. Oh, yeah, yeah, Goggins is back.
Yeah, Grant Rick episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was mine, too, because it feels like now, okay, the Ratliffs were really the stars of episode one. This was a big Rick Chelsea episode.
I'm expecting that episode three, as a result, will be

Speaker 1 Laurie, Jacqueline, and Kate Cougars. If you want to, I have a cougar.
I have a fan.

Speaker 1 What are you calling the fancy cougars? I have a cougar's theory about why I feel great about calling them cougars. They're infected predators.
I love it. Are they not? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they're looking for the weakest one among them to sort of like pick off. It's wild.

Speaker 1 I like that. But yeah,

Speaker 1 Rick,

Speaker 1 like the dinner scene with Greg when he has Greg's number. Excuse me, Joanna.
He goes by Gary now. Okay.
Dinner scene.

Speaker 1 Imagine going into hiding for Thailand in a year and being like, you know, Greg, I know what I'll do. Greg's out.
Gary in.

Speaker 2 I would have gone like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, a different first letter.

Speaker 1 What's your

Speaker 1 podcast? What you're going to hide under one day? No, but I want to hear.

Speaker 1 If I'm Greg, I'm going to like Mitchell or like something that doesn't sound remotely like Greg.

Speaker 2 I'm not just changing the last three letters.

Speaker 1 But you want to get Reborn Fancy and be like Aloysius or something like that. They'll never suspect.
No, that. Well, for him, yeah, probably.
But even Michael, just anything. Yeah, Michael.

Speaker 1 Michael would have been totally

Speaker 1 when he's talking to Gary and he's like, what do you do, Gary? You know, that just like that goggle smile came out. And he's just sort of like, this piece of shit.
I recognize you. It was great.

Speaker 2 Little this, little that.

Speaker 1 Yes, little that.

Speaker 2 A little that. So that was your favorite as well, Goggins?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was just a thrill to have more time with Rick. And for the, the, the thing about Goggins that's such a wonderful

Speaker 1 brew

Speaker 1 is she likes to gently, lovingly mock me when my Baltimore accent comes out when I say brew. The

Speaker 1 menacing quality that's always under the surface, but the fact that you were so magnetically drawn to him, like that was present with Rick in this episode.

Speaker 1 And the first episode was like, you're really actually just a dick to Chelsea, huh?

Speaker 1 And here we got that, but like immediately followed by what struck me as like a wave of shame for calling her an idiot. We see a lot more emotional range from him.
And of course, we learn more about

Speaker 1 the robbery. Yeah, running to her and embracing her.
Yeah. And of course, we learn some backstory.

Speaker 2 Well, we talked in episode one is like, what's the actual relationship with this? And we were debating, like, is this like a prostitute he picked up or somebody who's running a bit with him?

Speaker 2 Or you were debating it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 Well, I didn't know if it was somebody he hired because he's trying to do a mission.

Speaker 1 Wow. But Chloe, we know.
Chloe.

Speaker 1 You're right because Rick was like, I am very sure of what's going on here. Yes.
He clocked it immediately. Yeah.
So, yeah.

Speaker 2 The Chelsea-Rick relationship really.

Speaker 1 So good. Yeah.
And then, like, we were like, when are we going to get a sex scene? We get a sex scene in this episode.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a

Speaker 1 prelude. It's a PG-13 sex scene.

Speaker 1 Nipple suckling. Boob grab.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 A little bit more than a grabbing. I think we grabbed his mouth, but yes.
Walton Goggins, a 53-year-old man, looks incredible. Shirtless.

Speaker 1 Wonderful. Wonderful.
Oh, my God. And there just was like some real tenderness, I felt like, between them there.

Speaker 1 You understood their connection a bit better. Yeah.
And she got a scrub and a wax. So she was ready.
She was ready.

Speaker 1 Scrub wax.

Speaker 2 This was the episode. I couldn't get a handle on.
Our girl Amy Lou. First episode.
She's very distinct looking.

Speaker 1 Right. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So she's got the big teeth.

Speaker 1 That's like a big feature. And she's got this happy.
And I was like, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2 But by episode two, I'm all in. You're in.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's just mega crushed on her now. I'm really worried she's going to die at the end of this episode.
She did really. She seems like a pure delay.

Speaker 1 She said. twice in this episode, I almost died today.
Like, I just need the show to stop making us think about how Chelsea could or almost died. It's too stressful.
She feels safe to me.

Speaker 1 I couldn't tell you why.

Speaker 2 My

Speaker 2 favorite thing in the episode, the Cougars win again for me.

Speaker 1 This was

Speaker 2 Dave Jacoby's trust triangle in action.

Speaker 1 Dave Jacoby

Speaker 2 always had this thing, our friend Dave Jacoby, about if there's three people, two are always closer than any other two in the triangle. And if you're going to tell.

Speaker 2 Like if I'm talking to you two, you two are super close. I'm also close to Mallory.
Yeah. And there would be some trust triangle stuff with Mallory.
But I think she'd side to you because you have pod.

Speaker 2 But do you just always have to keep the trust triangle in mind? If I tell Mallory something, will she pass it along? Who is she closer to?

Speaker 1 And in this case, the dynamics, this is so complicated.

Speaker 1 What a rich subplot.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 in this case, she's definitely the category.

Speaker 1 I feel like in a triangle, there's always like a hinge. You know what I mean? Well, she's a Jolly Emery.

Speaker 1 No, but here's the thing.

Speaker 1 In the trust triangle, I don't think

Speaker 1 you are. That's what I don't.

Speaker 2 I did the past. I don't think anyone trusts anybody more than anyone else.
That's what made this so interesting.

Speaker 2 It's like whatever two are left alone, they're going to talk shit about the one who's not there. And that's what we've established.

Speaker 1 I'm interested to see Lori and Jacqueline if they go after Kate, which there's plenty to go after. But I just thought in both of those scenarios.
That'll be episode three.

Speaker 2 You kidding?

Speaker 1 I hope so.

Speaker 1 But in both those scenarios, my favorite person to watch in both those scenarios was Leslie Bibb as Kate, because there was just something about her like feline smile when she's just sort of like,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 you know, and she's just like so excited to dig in, like all couched in concern and and all of oh my god big fake smile yeah i gotta be honest i didn't know she was this good of an actress she's great in this this is like a

Speaker 1 kind of a monster performance by her so far i feel like this is part of white lotus's genius is like sometimes you see someone who you've seen in a ton of things and then mike white is like no i know exactly what to do with this energy yeah i have a great idea for this

Speaker 2 i mean the the most fun scene with her was the parker posy scene at the brunch that was the scene of the episode i agree astonish

Speaker 1 because i mean parker posy also tremendous in that. I don't know how they film that without laughing.
Her catatonic smile, her just sort of like squinting and smiling. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 That is such a power move. Could you ever pull that at a restaurant or something or have you?

Speaker 1 Someone comes up to you is like, do you remember we spent a weekend together in Austin and you just smile at them silently? Just really trying to enjoy my lovely fruit plate here.

Speaker 1 She should pound fruit right now with the kale, baby. That was so fascinating.
Like, she did have a beat of what I thought was nervous energy.

Speaker 1 like there's obviously a okay I just am not interested I'm here with my family that's on the surface because she's saying it to them after but it seems like maybe she did something that weekend that she doesn't want Kate to share maybe my interpretation is that she doesn't remember because she's just zonked down on drums she's zonked down on drums all the time and it's one of those like nervous covers right for I don't remember you I spent an entire time wasn't your hair different and then you're a little embarrassed so you're like kind of bitchy about it yeah you know what I mean and then you sort of laugh it off with your family and say like actresses are prostitutes and just sort of trying to cover.

Speaker 1 That was also a great moment for all of the actors at the table. Yeah, the number of like meta commentary moments through these two episodes so far.
And this cast is really game.

Speaker 1 Like they're really down both in the macro and the specific things about them that they know maybe people have whispered or said. We talked about this.

Speaker 1 We talked about it off mic, and then it's like, we got to bring it on mic in this episode because it was so central to the text. Like the conversations are just all about these things.

Speaker 1 And the, I mean, you can't cast these roles unless the performers are like willing to participate. Actually,

Speaker 1 like, I'm not going bald, and Amy Louie, Amy Lou's character being like, Okay,

Speaker 1 okay,

Speaker 1 yeah, or them talking about, oh, she had a little bit more than the basic stuff,

Speaker 1 she looks sandblasted, she looks wax, looks a little waxy, yeah, she looks great, everyone looks amazing. She looks great, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I guess we can go through and dip through some of the major moments. The Cougars talking about Carrie Kuhn when she wasn't there, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 This was so we learned, We learn she got divorced from a freeloader. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Has pay palmony.

Speaker 2 Has pay palmony. We learn her daughter is violent.

Speaker 1 Yes. Meaning Leslie, we have to start bashing the New York City school system.
She throws furniture. And how do you raise your kid in New York?

Speaker 1 Because they're all like sucking each other off at eight years old. Yeah, but that happens in Texas too.

Speaker 2 The kids are sucking each other off at eight years old. I love in the running for best line of the season so far.

Speaker 1 But I love,

Speaker 1 actually, I cannot wait for them to turn on her on Kate because Kate's little monologue about how she talked herself into liking beans is maybe one of my favorite things I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 That was well so more backhanded compliments.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She always defined herself by her work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, brutal.

Speaker 2 Didn't get the big promotion. No wonder she looks defeated.
Well, she looks great. Yeah, she does.
She does. She also looks tired.
And then maybe it's the drinking.

Speaker 1 They're just fucking

Speaker 1 everything.

Speaker 2 And then all of a sudden she shows up and they have to pretend they weren't talking about her.

Speaker 1 Genuine jump scare. Genuine jump scare.

Speaker 1 Locked door hammered. But here's the question.
Do you think she heard them? I don't. I don't think she heard them, though.

Speaker 1 Obviously, she suspects that they're talking about her just from having like watched them previously. And then we get that nice bookend of Jacqueline at the end hearing them whispering.

Speaker 1 And she just... We don't know if she can make out what they're saying, but it doesn't matter.
She knows they're talking.

Speaker 1 It's like the exact thing you say, whenever one member of that group leaves the room, they know the other person is talking. What's fascinating about Jacqueline?

Speaker 1 Her psychology. You mean Jacqueline Lemon, TV star?

Speaker 1 I loved that we got the full name.

Speaker 1 Jacqueline Lemon is wonderful.

Speaker 1 Wonderful. That she didn't creep up to listen to what they were saying.
Yeah. And I think this speaks to like the psychology.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at the end, she's like, they're whispering. Obviously, they're whispering about me.
Obviously, they would be jealous of me and talk about me while I'm.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm going to go take a bath.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, okay.
They must be talking about how great I am. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. It's interesting.
And I feel like the through line in all of the different versions of the trust triangle so far is like

Speaker 1 concern,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 it's hot goss. Like they just can't wait to spill the tea, masquerade it as a teacher.
This is so human, though. I don't know.
It's completely related.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's cross-gender, but definitely inside of female friendship. For sure.
Where it's just this sort of like this shit talking couched as concern. Yeah.
And, but there's that.

Speaker 1 What do you think is going on with this bitch? I really hope she's like okay. I'm sure she's fine.
She'll be okay. She's a survivor.
But then there's the giddiness.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but there's like a giddiness that comes to it. It's like, it's, it's gross.

Speaker 2 Let me tell you something. I, I've been with my wife a long time since 1998.

Speaker 1 This was funny. And I've also dated other girls before her.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 This was always my favorite thing about dating somebody is listening to that dynamic of all of these relationships.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And especially if the group gets bigger, like in college, you have these groups of like 12, 13 girls. And there's like five different cliques that all hate each other.

Speaker 2 And then within the little cliques, there's drama going on. It's, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 There's like it's it's that specific no i love her but right but it's that

Speaker 1 they have really mastered in these two episodes so far it's like not even a full beat it's a half beat right before they either finally jump in it's like oh i'm reluctant to take the bite no i'm gonna make a whole meal out of that and dive right in or the inverse of that vanity well

Speaker 2 there's some friends that just will not go there though Like my wife has definitely had a couple over the years that it's like if the shit talking's around, they're just out.

Speaker 2 They're like, you're like this, actually. You're not a shit talker.

Speaker 1 No, I try not to.

Speaker 2 If they're shit talker, you're just out. You're listening, but you're not saying anything.

Speaker 1 So, this is what's interesting about this is like, and I've been trying to think about their dynamic of we don't have a lot of time with them so far, but it's like, why are these people choosing to spend time together?

Speaker 1 Right? I'm at the point in my life, genuinely, you've both heard me say a version of this where I'm like, I kind of like don't feel like I need new friends.

Speaker 1 Like, it's wonderful when I make a new friend, but I like want to spend time with people I genuinely care about.

Speaker 2 Is Joanna your last new friend?

Speaker 1 Oh my God, I got in before you closed the door. Yeah, that's why you got in the nightclub.

Speaker 1 The nightclub closed. I'll have to think about it.
It's entirely possible. We've like known each other for like seven years and very well for four years.

Speaker 1 So I've probably made at least one new friend since then, but I might not have. I'll have to reflect on that.
I feel like when you don't leave your house, you don't need to make a lot of friends.

Speaker 1 That's true. So, you know, they're like, you can't really like.

Speaker 2 Is it with the postmates guy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no. I mean, Adam usually answers.

Speaker 1 Honestly, I have not met any of them. The, the, oh, you can't really make new memories when you only have dinner twice a year.

Speaker 1 And then Jacqueline's like, I mean, I haven't really even seen Laurie in four years. Why are they here telling themselves how much they care about? It's amazing.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 Surely a different reason for that. Like for Jaclyn, it feels like it's this is how I tether myself to some sense of like, I'm still a regular normal person.

Speaker 1 But also, those people who make me feel that way are going to tell me how great I am. I think I feel special.
I think it's the opposite.

Speaker 1 That's the relationship that lets her feel both of those things. I think she wants to feel like the most beautiful, rich, famous around her.

Speaker 1 Like, slightly, I mean, mean, I, my sense is that Kate is also enormously wealthy, but like

Speaker 1 her insecurity inside of this relationship she has with this guy that she's obsessed with who's 10 years younger than her, but she's feeling insecure.

Speaker 1 She wants to be around people who are normal so she can feel special.

Speaker 2 I agree with Joanna. I think, well, there's also, there's the baggage of these people all grew up together.
So they had to compete in a whole bunch of different ways at a younger age.

Speaker 1 I like that it's like she's telling all the rich and famous and

Speaker 1 people around her who are making shows. They're like no, yeah, I'm just going to hang out with my friends from home.
But then when she's with them, she gets to feel special. So it's like, it's the

Speaker 1 one relationship in her life, presumably, that still allows her to like access all of that.

Speaker 2 No, but there's one other piece of that, though. These are the people that knew her before anything happened to her.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 So you're always going to have a different relationship with people that knew you and whatever. Yeah.
Right. So now she's this famous actress.
She has a manager, an agent.

Speaker 2 She has all the people on the show. She's all these like fake Hollywood friends.
But these people hypothetically in her head, these are the ones that know me for me.

Speaker 2 And yet she's just as fake with them.

Speaker 1 They're also keepers of the memory. Like we get the, we add the story about like, remember the talent show we did together? Yeah.
This, that, and the other thing.

Speaker 1 I found Jacqueline's reaction to finding out that Lori had the same biometrics she had and got the same

Speaker 1 part of the ever seen was so funny.

Speaker 2 She was furious that she wasn't like the leader.

Speaker 1 Is that right? Yeah, do you think that is right?

Speaker 1 My hydration level was one of the highest he's ever seen. No one will ever say that.

Speaker 2 The thing is, like, we, so we did a live rewatchables and one of your best friends came and hung out with us for the night. Allison.
She just was Mal's friend who just joined us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Mal wasn't just constantly going, we're best friends.

Speaker 1 We've known each other forever. We're so close.

Speaker 2 Like you usually say that if it's not actually that close.

Speaker 1 Oh, and that was the point they made that she said that about me.

Speaker 1 That was the point they made about her marriage. Yeah.
The fact that you feel compelled to say out loud, we're addicted to each other. Right.
Ultimate red flag. I don't trust people.

Speaker 1 This used to be my thing back in the day, 100 years ago with Rachel Ray. I'm like, I, this is just seem like, can anybody enjoy anything, even the, the actual thing? Rachel Ray catching strays.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I should say I have not engaged with any Rachel Ray content in a really long time.
But like my sister used to watch it. This is when I was a kid, like in high school.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, I don't, this level of happiness, I just, I can't understand it. It doesn't seem true.

Speaker 2 We gotta stay on this for a second.

Speaker 2 I'm probably sharing too much, but this is the child of divorce energy.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, no, we're just naturally suspicious of love at all times.

Speaker 1 No, but this is. So I can't get enough of my husband.
Give me a fucking break.

Speaker 2 No, I'm sharing too much, but

Speaker 2 I get suspicious when couples do too much social media about their relationship. Oh, yeah.
I always talk to myself. Somebody's the divorce crows are circling.

Speaker 2 Anytime the pictures start coming fast and furious, I always assume something bad happened. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't really do any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 I did get my wife Valentine's valentine's day flowers today how lovely uh four hours into the morning adam and i remembered that we had forgotten it was valentine's day i only remember because we are prepping for the bay cookie podcast i mentioned to him and i swear to god he said i gotta go say happy valentine's day to halo

Speaker 1 that was his answer your cat And I was like, me too. So in that sense, we remain in lockstep.
But yeah.

Speaker 1 No, but you guys both talk about your spouses and like the stuff that you guys watch together and stuff like that. You just don't have to like, you don't have to like perform it.

Speaker 1 It's the performance that is the red flag.

Speaker 2 And that's where social media gets really interesting. But that's like

Speaker 2 even with these three going away together.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if they're going to do this in a later episode, but like the Instagram posts of them together and like all the phoniness that comes with that stuff.

Speaker 1 And they're younger.

Speaker 2 One of them will do it.

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Speaker 2 Coming back, the Rat Lifts. We just started out with a shot of Patrick Schwarzenegger's butt crack and Locky kind of checking it out in a way that made me uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, deeply uncomfortable. Yeah, he's he is considering the male form.
That seems clear.

Speaker 2 Parker Posey slept like a corpse.

Speaker 1 I slept like a corpse. Is again, so let's let's consider.
Think he was my number one last week. She's my number one again.
So, okay, that was my question.

Speaker 2 We could do MVPs right now. Clear MVP of episode two.

Speaker 1 Does a line like that make you feel sure she's not going to die or sure she is?

Speaker 1 Here's

Speaker 1 the thing. You're putting her in the death, in the death switch.
Here's what I'm trying to. Okay, I'm always trying to figure out based on what we've seen before.

Speaker 1 It's the hot messes that have died in the last season.

Speaker 1 She's coming out the gate a hot mess.

Speaker 1 Is he going to zag off of the hot messes? Armand, like, devolved into a hot mess. Yes.

Speaker 1 He squired.

Speaker 1 So, like,

Speaker 1 it's the drugs or the drinking and the hot messeries, like, usually the leading. No, but here's the key with her.

Speaker 2 She's clearly always a hot mess because the family has hit the point when stuff is happening with her they're all like exchanging little looks at each other like oh here goes mom yeah so this is 365 days a year she's like this

Speaker 1 oh yeah yeah she had yeah she's zonked out at breakfast she can't remember keto she's got to take a pill

Speaker 1 she has to take a pill take a pill before the massage

Speaker 1 there's a lot the thing that's going to react

Speaker 1 that's going to relax you she was unbelievable also her ordering the thai food just the way that she was pronouncing it with her twang yeah very good well we learned sexton takes adder all day just to get done but before he says that he does he's like his i don't do constant sucking up i'm like you dad i'm just like you dad i don't do drugs yeah i would never steroids no also the fact that tim our guy tim was very adamant about saying he doesn't you know doesn't his body is a temple right i just want to spend all of my vacation at the gym i don't do drugs i'm still on and i think we probably all should be poison fruit watch with this family like oh because we we're getting a blender

Speaker 1 sponsor for that poison fruit watch is getting a blender we're getting a blender from the butler for the poison fruit.

Speaker 1 Exactly. So Saxon trying to use the poisoned seeds for something, and then either his father accidentally consumes it or his mother guzzles it.
Something it's like terrible.

Speaker 2 Wall Street Journal coming on location?

Speaker 1 Well, now

Speaker 1 I'm going to be able to do it. Washington post is in on it.
He might have a whole bag on them. Yeah, I'm with you.
I was thinking about this, too. It's the dysfunctional.

Speaker 1 Rick is our red herring, I think, right? He's there actively seeking violence and vengeance, but that's not really where the violence comes from.

Speaker 1 It's the dysfunctional crew that ends up delivering it, and that's their atlas.

Speaker 1 Knowing that there is Larazapam that he's like, I won't take, but watching him unravel Tim I'm talking about over the course of the episode, is he going to be digging into his wife's readily available pharmacy at any given time in the season?

Speaker 2 That would affect him angrily sprinting on the treadmill.

Speaker 2 That is tough times for the treadmill in this episode.

Speaker 1 I would not spend my vacation that way.

Speaker 2 So we also have

Speaker 2 the baby shower meeting,

Speaker 2 which I thought was a great scene. I actually thought Leslie Bibb was really good in that scene.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Just keeping the frozen face on.

Speaker 1 So do you remember me?

Speaker 2 We met at a baby shower. So what?

Speaker 1 Who cares?

Speaker 2 Actresses are all basically prostitutes if they're lucky. And their kids are just laughing.
Yeah. They're like, oh, mom's on one and it's breakfast.

Speaker 1 But this is the family. They make like the most hideous jokes and then they laugh about it.

Speaker 2 I love it. I felt right at home.

Speaker 1 I bet.

Speaker 1 I'm always bad with

Speaker 1 I'm always the Piper. Piper.
It's like a Disneyland for rich bohemians from Malibu and their Lululemon yoga pants. Yeah.
Mike White's, that's it. That's the show.
Mike White's like done.

Speaker 1 He's looking good. Exactly.

Speaker 1 But like, then we see Piper doing yoga.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Getting a lot of luck. Let's go to the LBH cruiser back home.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The LBH is checking out.

Speaker 2 She's great, by the way, doing the yoga.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Too much uninterrupted eye contact from that LBH.
Bend your spine elsewhere.

Speaker 2 I MDB'd her because she was looking familiar and it was driving me crazy. She was in that devil to that movie, the late night with the devil.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's what she's from. But I didn't make the connection in the first episode.
Did you see the movie? Horror movie.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I think they've styled her so differently.

Speaker 2 Really, really good movie. Yeah, they darkened her hair and they did some stuff.

Speaker 2 But the big thing, and it's sad that I thought of Mal immediately was Saxon.

Speaker 1 Oh, the boner.

Speaker 2 Getting a massage. I'm like, here we go.

Speaker 2 The massage boner scene. We're on alert.
And then boom, they went for it.

Speaker 1 Saxon delivered across the entire episode once again, though.

Speaker 2 What do you think for like a robotic fake boner under the sheets?

Speaker 2 Like, was there special effects involved?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 something like hydraulic underneath there. Yeah, hydraulic, I think.

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Blowing up something.

Speaker 1 Are you hoping that HBO has an end of the episode sort of making of the boner?

Speaker 2 Can I buy this at a store?

Speaker 1 Can I surprise my wife with it one night? Like, what

Speaker 1 is this available? Is it on Amazon? How do I get it?

Speaker 1 I'm sure you can find something similar. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So then we have Chelsea, who's just talking during her massage. She's one of those.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Just like

Speaker 2 we have the dad angry running on a treadmill.

Speaker 1 I'm sure this is relatable. What do you do during your massages? Really relatable podcasting content, but like, I'm a no-talking.
Why are we talking?

Speaker 2 I'm not a joint to like fall asleep.

Speaker 1 I just want to listen to the TV. Hey, zone out.
You don't get massages. I've only had one massage in my life.
I feel like

Speaker 2 the entire vertebrae would just crumble.

Speaker 1 What if we got you a lorazepam to take before

Speaker 1 the massage?

Speaker 2 Can we bring your video on Mal getting a massage?

Speaker 1 Like a Swedish massage?

Speaker 1 I don't know what happened. I really feel like vertebrae would just chip up.

Speaker 1 It's entirely possible. Yeah.
Just pretzel dust. Or it could just change your life.
I did enjoy the one I had. It was like a mud treatment.
Oh, yeah. Very soothing.
Hell yeah. Wonderful.

Speaker 2 There were a couple treatments during this episode.

Speaker 2 I looked at my wife. There was that foot treatment that Belinda was getting.

Speaker 1 I was like, what is that? That is a big milk soap. It's a franchise whole thing was

Speaker 1 agreed.

Speaker 2 Parker Posey takes the pills before the massage.

Speaker 2 And then let's talk our guy Goggins doing stress therapy.

Speaker 1 Boy. And Locky in the deprivation tank.
Locking the deprivation tank.

Speaker 1 Also, just by the way, for the Ratliff family, you're killing it, Pam. She got great treatments for all of them.
You're killing it, Pam. Pam.

Speaker 1 But then she went, she had to go and tell Tim to get off his phone call. And he's like, I would feel a lot better if you stopped talking to me.
Pam. She's like, okay.
Cut it out.

Speaker 1 You want to talk about Richard Shaw? Goggins therapy. Yeah.
We learned a lot. We really did.
Learned a lot.

Speaker 2 Finally, Goggins showed up for the season. Yeah.
I felt like he was on autopilot for an episode and a quarter. And then now we get some real acting going and some real

Speaker 1 heavy story. So his mom was a drug addict, OD'd when he was 10, and his dad was murdered before he was born.
So are we pivoting? By Scott. Yeah.
So Jim Hollinger is not his father.

Speaker 1 He's the guy that killed his dad. He killed his dad.
Or

Speaker 2 that was the story he was told that his dad was murdered and his father is actually his dad.

Speaker 1 It's one or the other. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think both are in play.

Speaker 2 And I think it's even odds for

Speaker 2 each way that goes. Okay.
I've never had an identity. I'm nothing.
Nothing comes from nothing, right?

Speaker 1 This was actually heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 First time you came close to tears? Or was it the

Speaker 1 bitch talk same thing? I think I was thinking the

Speaker 1 wise Indian, though, don't you think?

Speaker 1 I was really moved by this. I thought it was really sad and touching.

Speaker 2 Well, it was also touching that Saxton was furious he didn't get a happy ending and that Parker Posey thought this was hilarious.

Speaker 1 Just an unbelievable scene. All the shitty things he says.
It's so funny. Kind of perfect.
They're the best couple on the show.

Speaker 1 And Piper is just like, how is this my family? Yeah. How? Locky again pulled, right? The tug of Lockheed Doug of War.
But Piper is just like, I just, this is not.

Speaker 1 Why do you guys think these things are okay to say? We get another version of it at the dinner table later. It's an incredible dynamic.

Speaker 2 So he's drawing into characters he's kind of messed with before.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Perter Posey's on the Coolidge character corner, Jennifer Coolidge character.

Speaker 2 We talked about

Speaker 2 how Saxton is like the Jake Lacey on scare roads, basically. Neo James.
And then Piper, pieces of like the Sidney Sweeney and her friend that season one, the two kind of

Speaker 2 a little bit judgmental, like just,

Speaker 2 you know, I guess she's supposed to be ashamed of her family.

Speaker 1 She's supposed to be. She's, she's at the end of the day.
She's in college. Like she's like 20, 21.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So she's in that judgmental, I don't really like anybody face, which is by the way, peered away when you're the parent.

Speaker 1 Some of us never grow out of that. Yeah, it's really great to go through.

Speaker 2 I have no personal experience with this at all.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 my goal for Parker Posey and Saxton for one of the next episodes is.

Speaker 1 Saxon. There's no T in the middle.

Speaker 2 I call him Saxton.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 2 I thought it was Saxton.

Speaker 1 No. Are you sure? Saxon Saxon.
Yeah. Mal's right.
I'm certain. Yeah.
Mal's always right about names. No, I know.
I always write about names.

Speaker 1 I actually have a name mess up two episodes. I was just wrong last week.
Oh, Joe, what it was? I followed Joe. It's Jesus.
Jacob Posey's my favorite character in the history of television.

Speaker 1 I'm sure I'll mess up other names at some point, but not Dare Saxon.

Speaker 2 Can we get Saxon and Parker Posey, just the two of them, going out in the town in Thailand? I'm aware. And going shopping and maybe getting getting a drink and just like

Speaker 1 10 minutes together. Just them being offensive to each other.
We already said there's some serious Targaryen energy from this family. Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 1 If Damon can dream about fucking his mom, why can't we get that with Victoria and Saxon? No?

Speaker 2 Yes. You're going Targaryen Energy with this family?

Speaker 1 They're constantly talking about each other's sex lives. Yeah, the conversation between Lockheed and Piper in the ocean.

Speaker 1 Wait, have you ever used an ocean hammock like that? That seemed amazing. That looked so nice.

Speaker 1 Never. Oh, never had it.

Speaker 1 I was hoping you'd be able to tell us what it was like that seemed great let's go okay and just read in the ocean hammock all day you know i think so no i think hammocks are great yeah and it's like you're in it you're in the water enough to be refreshed yeah but also you're above the water so maybe then you'd get cold but it does seem very hot there it seemed lovely well they have like some of those destination places where they build the hotel it's just in the water yeah i wouldn't be able to do that no Like the mold freaks you out.

Speaker 2 Where you're just like, if there's like a big wave, you just all die.

Speaker 1 One of my my best friends just did this for a honeymoon. It sounded great.
Really? Yeah. Apparently,

Speaker 1 if the Maldives wants to sponsor us, I will go to the Maldives.

Speaker 2 Maybe that's season four.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 And then we talked about

Speaker 2 the Cougars with the body fat compliment battles.

Speaker 1 Incredible.

Speaker 2 And we get more info that she's married somebody who she's 10 years younger than or older than.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So truly, truly.

Speaker 2 So I was trying to think of the parallels with this in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 Eric.

Speaker 2 Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, Kutcher.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Not a common thing, though. The famous actress Marion, the 10 years younger guy.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.
And the implication is that he's also famous. Yes.
Yes. Because he's the object of much attention.

Speaker 2 It feels like this will go badly during the eight-episode run of the show. This relationship.

Speaker 1 They're encouraging Laurie as the quote only single one to pursue Valentin. That's like canon in the show now, right? There's an allusion to some past escapade and Cancun.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Jacqueline

Speaker 1 going in

Speaker 1 after Jacqueline Women after encouraging Laurie to go for it and then Jacqueline steps in and stops.

Speaker 1 I mean maybe but Laurie just doesn't seem interested in Valentin and by the way little eye little eyeglass thing. By the way, I don't think Valentin's interested in any of the ladies.

Speaker 1 No, I he's interested in gay talk. So

Speaker 1 wait. No, no, no.
By the stars and Robbie. Yeah.
He's in on the road. He's in on the robbing on the robber.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he stopped to talk to gay talk

Speaker 1 at the gate. But I still think that exact moment or that was a red herring.
Could be. It could be.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the fact that he like stopped and was like, I have tickets for the fight, but he still, I mean, like, he might have just been flirting to get his way, but he was definitely flirting with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Did you freeze frame and try to see if you could tell any identifiable part of the robber?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And when you.

Speaker 2 It's hard to tell. I was looking at whether he was

Speaker 2 white American.

Speaker 2 I just couldn't tell anything. He was completely covered.

Speaker 1 He's covered. I was listening to the other races as well.
The other guy comes out, the driver, briefly, and we can't see the face, but I think Gayton can. Because

Speaker 1 he's not wearing a fan. Johan Shaq saw that guy.
We get a shot of him clocking that guy. If he goes to the fights on Friday, I feel like that guy's going to be there.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because he's trans quarantine in White Lotus.

Speaker 1 I mean, Mike White branching out. That's what he's wonderful.
I'm

Speaker 1 trying

Speaker 1 not to read too much about this season because people give things away and interview.

Speaker 2 I haven't read one thing. Many of them are.
Like literally not one thing.

Speaker 1 I will say this is not like a detail, but Mike White is saying, like, he tried to push himself in directions that he had not done before. So, a sports scene.

Speaker 1 I mean, we've heard a shootout essentially already.

Speaker 2 So, it would be crazy if they had like a Muay Thai tournament or something, just like completely over the top.

Speaker 1 We have an extra episode. We love that.
Maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 2 So, how did the robbery?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This seemed too easy. I find it hard to believe you just slide into the hotel and do it.

Speaker 1 Inside job, if Valentin is.

Speaker 2 If there's more security in the front, like everything about it, it didn't totally sit right with me.

Speaker 2 I feel like somebody in that mask, you're just immediately, there's three people noticing that you're not.

Speaker 1 You can't get in the door. Like the woman at the front desk was like busy looking down at her monitor.
Yeah. It does seem like there should be people at the door.
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 No, especially in Thailand, you're going to have like two security guards in the front.

Speaker 1 And people are walking by during the actual robbery and nobody is paying any attention. Here's my follow-up question, though.

Speaker 1 It's like, Valentin, we feel like it's an inside job and Valentine is part of that. Yes.
He's Russian. He's handsome.
He's in on it.

Speaker 1 Do you think Chloe's in on it?

Speaker 1 Because she's like in the dressing room.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is good. And I was just sort of like, is she part of this? Is she like...
That's why. That's how she gets to see it.

Speaker 1 No one like her. No one like her in the world.

Speaker 1 When it comes to

Speaker 1 the corner, I'll be in the shop.

Speaker 1 So you think a prostitute from the Dubai matchmaking site might have been in on a high-scale robbery she if she and Valentin have like sort of a crime ring going on because she was eyeing Saxon she was eyeing Saxon yeah in a way where she was like cute yeah but he's also a mark is he not yes he would be an easy mark yeah so if she and Valentin have a little like let's fleece I mean this seems like a little clumsy

Speaker 1 sort of daylight robbery with a gun and everything yeah but maybe they're getting bolder I don't know very interesting I really like this it's a little too like don't shit where you eat because Chloe does seem to really like these restaurants and shops.

Speaker 1 So she's compromising her leisure time, I think. But I like she knows the bartender by name.
Like, you know, she's like in it.

Speaker 2 By the way, this did lead me to a nitpick, though. And I don't want to go back to this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So Greg Gary.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now Gary. Mitchell, if you prefer.

Speaker 2 Plays off this incredible white lotus

Speaker 2 heist of this fake marriage and sets this lady up for over a year, gets all her money.

Speaker 2 hides in Thailand next to another white lotus.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 It's that's a little weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's where you're going to end up?

Speaker 2 Like, oh,

Speaker 2 nobody will be able to put these two together.

Speaker 1 He's like, I've had a taste of luxury. I've been to two white lotuses.
I got to collect them all.

Speaker 2 Maybe stay near four seasons. I don't know.

Speaker 1 It just seemed a little dubious.

Speaker 1 I did have that same thought. I think it's a really good note.
I guess my counterpoint would be

Speaker 1 real, like, no safer place than Hogwarts, no safer place than the Winterfell Crypts, like no easier place to freely commit crime and live in sin than a white lotus. Not only have we now gotten.

Speaker 1 Can even poop in a white lotus.

Speaker 1 We talked last episode about, like, okay, just a body. Dead bodies, dead, bodies, dead, bodies.

Speaker 1 We now have multiples on the robbery front, too. Remember in season one, Paula and Kai hit the.

Speaker 1 I still don't think we know the crime rates of the four seasons. And so I feel like we wouldn't know.

Speaker 1 All right. But by season seven, I'll be with you.
Yeah, if there's murder in the Alps, yes, once we get our cold lotus killed, yeah, back to the rat lifts.

Speaker 2 The sisters fed up with Locky and Sax, and they have another great dinner.

Speaker 2 I'm anytime the Rat Lifts are at dinner, I'm in for like 15 minutes, they don't need to cut away, I'm just in for all the comedy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 And then Saxon says, You know what they say? Having sex in Thailand is like eating a box of chocolates, you never know which one's gonna have nuts. And the mom laughs hysterically.

Speaker 1 She thinks it's so funny. She's like, This is my guy right here the funniest thing vicki is quite proud of her she's like

Speaker 1 i racist it i made this is my life achievement right here this idiot she so she like goes right into making a big speech because piper again is like my family is gross right calls refers to her brother saxon as a freak earlier in the the water hammock scene when locky's like so like saxon keeps talking about how hot you are

Speaker 1 But then Vicki goes right into a speech about how they need each other, right? But then what does she say specifically?

Speaker 1 Most people don't have good values they're scammers then she starts to praise them you're all gorgeous you come for money etc etc yeah

Speaker 1 that powder keg of like her husband's the biggest scammer exactly the first episode ended with her them in bed and she's like everybody tells me what a great man you are such a great man

Speaker 1 our guy tim is who's really going for it

Speaker 1 and nobody is going to take it worse than victoria when she finds out that their life is a lie and it's like it founds out five years later that it happened after she wakes up from

Speaker 1 the magnetic side. Do you think he would take his own life before his family finds out? Because we get this, like, really, it gets this really sad moment at the end.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Tim. He sucks, but where he's watching them all walk in and they're all happy and talking.

Speaker 1 And he's just sort of like, it's the exact opposite of that scene we got in episode one when he's standing, like, feeling like he has the biggest dick in the world, looking at what he's provided for his family.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have some,

Speaker 1 but yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, that ending, it's not just here in the family, but they're talking about a tsunami, which I thought was notable. Absolutely.
The tsunami just takes everything away.

Speaker 1 What is it? The symbolism corner with William Simmons. I love that.
I'm sorry to be on Joe's corner.

Speaker 1 No, but should we also, I mean, do you think they would do a tsunami on the show?

Speaker 2 You know, I thought about this.

Speaker 2 It was noted that they made a point of ending a show talking about a tsunami. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's all setting up for the eventual cold lotus avalanche that you're predicting.

Speaker 1 You build towards the

Speaker 1 natural

Speaker 1 back, holding on to the glass in the pool. So, you guys both love Victoria.
She's your shared fave. What does it do for your sense?

Speaker 2 Parker poses character. I just call her Parker.

Speaker 1 That's fine. That's fine.
What does it do for your sense of Victoria to know that her brother who tormented her is called Uncle Babe?

Speaker 2 And the one who used to dangle Loogies over her nose?

Speaker 1 Uncle Babe. That sounds very, I don't know.
Please don't email me if this is wrong. Southern to me.
Uncle Babe. Uncle Babe is like a southern name.
So she's from

Speaker 1 somewhere deep south. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Uncle Babe.
She probably has a bow.

Speaker 1 Uncle Babe and his Lugies. Oh, I love a bow.
Bo's a great name.

Speaker 2 Angry Dad keeps getting phone calls. Yep.
Just keeps having to leave the table.

Speaker 1 I mean, I got to take this.

Speaker 1 Calling him on a burner. Joanna, whose voice was this? This is a recent Oscar winner, Kihui Khan,

Speaker 1 who won for Everything Everywhere All at once. And you pointed out, we were texting about this.

Speaker 2 Are we positive that this is the voice? Oh, that was a voice.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. And what were, you were texting, you were pointing out this morning that last season, Laura Dern showed up as a voice-only cameo on the phone.
And she had also recently won an Oscar.

Speaker 1 So I wonder if Mike White's like

Speaker 1 controlling the supporting actor category for a recent Oscar winner to do a phone cameo. This is a great tradition.

Speaker 1 What I loved about this interaction, it seemed very obvious to me that these two actors were not talking to each other.

Speaker 1 There were weird, awkward pause. I just feel like they had them record it separately.
There were some weird, awkward pauses inside of it.

Speaker 2 I thought it was the weakest part of the episode, the performance on the phone. It just sounded like an SNL sketch.

Speaker 1 I think they're coming after me.

Speaker 1 It was just Jason Isaac saying, I need a lawyer immediately.

Speaker 2 Wow. Can we do this now?

Speaker 2 This is a classic. He's already kind of giving up on the southern accent.
There was just openly British sentences being said.

Speaker 1 Immediately. Yeah, he does not sound southern at all anymore.

Speaker 1 And then he would remember every once in a while. Elongating the draws to try to stay in it, which is so fun.

Speaker 1 Best line of the episode for me was, and I only made $10 million out of your laptop.

Speaker 2 Out of the money laundering.

Speaker 1 Only made $10 million fucking dollars. Who heard that for me? Hardly worth it.

Speaker 1 Daytok heard the call. And

Speaker 1 we know that he speaks English. That's confirmed.
So

Speaker 1 he's hearing all of this. And he hears it.
If you fuck me on this, I'm going to fucking kill you.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Only a couple other quick things. Double date with Greg.

Speaker 2 We get to this and that stuff and we get Greg Gary.

Speaker 2 And we learn that they he met his lady at a matchmaking service in Dubai, but thought she was French, but she's actually from Quebec.

Speaker 1 She's quite offended by this. He's like,

Speaker 1 she's like, it's not the same. She's Canadian.
She's not French. She's dumbass.
Gary.

Speaker 1 Come on, Gary.

Speaker 1 On top of the hug they share after the robbery and the like prelude to the sex scene and all that sort of stuff like that, the looks that they share.

Speaker 1 Greg and Chelsea share at the table. That those looks you share with someone when you're with someone, you know, like someone really closer in your life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm in on their relationship.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, they did a good job with that.

Speaker 2 We get the musical performance from the matron.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 Ruled.

Speaker 1 I thought it was pretty great.

Speaker 2 We get

Speaker 2 the almost ending with Carrie Kuhn and Leslie bitching about Jacqueline. Highlights.
She's so competitive. You'd think with all her success, she'd mellow out.
She's a narcissist. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Vanity.

Speaker 2 Did she sandblast sandblast her face or something god she had the face everyone wanted then they start slamming the boyfriend i don't think they ever see each other you know what they say about fronts the bigger the front the bigger the back

Speaker 1 literally no one great great look on lari and i think the key thing about this is she knows they're talking about her and she just doesn't care yeah She's just like, of course they would be jealous.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She likes it that way.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, ladies. Have at me.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 then we get an almost sex scene, and then, but the big thing, Goggins over here is the hotel owner. Yes, my husband's in Bangkok, he has stroke, he's recovering.

Speaker 1 Immediately to Scott, is he just gonna actually like tail her?

Speaker 1 I feel like you think he's gonna just be following

Speaker 1 gay talk that he's going to Bangkok, and then let's just take that again so I don't say character's name instead of Bangkok. I feel like he's going to Bangkok, and then

Speaker 1 what does that mean for Chelsea all alone at the White Load?

Speaker 2 So, this is one of my season episode three previews.

Speaker 2 Could there be a romantic something? Could there be a drinking too much at the bar? Saxon stepping in.

Speaker 1 Not Saxon, Chelsea, anyone but Saxon. This is Mike White.
He's going to make us a girl. Oh, I know.
He

Speaker 2 sucked us in with Chelsea and she has to make a bad decision with the next two.

Speaker 1 I think I prepared for Saxon to have sex with.

Speaker 1 literally anyone in the show this season, including his own family members, other than Chelsea. Yeah.
Vicki's on the table.

Speaker 1 Vicki would love to be on the table to fuck her son. Yes.
Would love to.

Speaker 1 She loves him.

Speaker 2 They seem like they're getting along, but he's going to Bangkok, which means he was also kind of

Speaker 1 fun.

Speaker 2 With Goggins.

Speaker 1 I can't wait. She knows part of what Mike White is talking about.

Speaker 1 I'm leaving the resort. We're going to.
An actual road trip. Yeah.
Just like a little ride to the restaurant.

Speaker 1 He did seem kind of like, I thought this was also very charming, hurt when she kept kept saying how old he was.

Speaker 1 She's like, I'm young and fun and you're old and crouchy. And he was like, damn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was like, fuck this.

Speaker 2 So the big things we learned,

Speaker 2 his dad's dead, but we don't know if he's dead.

Speaker 2 There's a money laundering thing.

Speaker 1 that our guy who can't decide what accent he's going to use

Speaker 2 made $10 million in his career and people know and he's about to be really fucked. Yeah.
There's some weird robbery. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That we don't know the mechanics behind it or who is involved and if that's a bigger ring going on, which is another thing he loves.

Speaker 2 And then something's going to happen with Lockheed that's not going to be great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's a curiosity with him that is going to manifest itself at some point during the season.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like sometimes that character, though, like Quinn in season one is the one who ends up actually having a positive experience, like learning something about themselves that's meaningful and actually ending up in a better place.

Speaker 2 He lost his iPad in the water and he really rallied back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like tried to jack it on the beach, couldn't lost his electronics and found out being an outriggering with nature. And so it was beautiful.

Speaker 1 So the crime ring front, like

Speaker 1 where are we on Monkey Corner? Because we did get a monkey call out. That scared the shit out of me.
I thought it was a monkey.

Speaker 1 There's also constant ominous shots of monkey statues.

Speaker 2 Kind of like, well, an actual monkey's kind of

Speaker 2 crawling towards something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it did make me think the fact that there's this like perhaps

Speaker 1 you're on on the monkey theory.

Speaker 1 In on Joanna's monkey theory. How did this happen? I don't understand.

Speaker 1 Because if people, if there are plants inside the hotel and people are just waiting to try things, it does seem like the actual natural circumstances there, whether it's the poisonous seed pods or the monkeys, like...

Speaker 1 could really actually come into play. But, you know, we all spent all of season two wondering like literally what was going to happen with the head statues.
And of course, it was more thematic.

Speaker 1 Not as simple.

Speaker 1 Wait, we got to take a break.

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Speaker 2 What were we going to say, Joe?

Speaker 1 I was going to say, can we talk about Mook and Gay Talk? They need a spin-off.

Speaker 1 They are so.

Speaker 2 I love Mook, and I feel like something horrible is going to happen to her now.

Speaker 1 I won't allow it. I still won't allow it.
It must be saved. I'm worried about him, his hero complex.
I'm worried about him.

Speaker 2 Gay Talk is almost a lock to be dead by episode seven.

Speaker 2 Just lock it down.

Speaker 1 I think he's going to be pulled into a bad decision to try to impress her.

Speaker 1 That's what I think because she's like drawn to the Hollinger security guys. They're tough.
They make money. They get to go on adventures.
They travel. They see the world.

Speaker 1 And he's like, can you have lunch with me? My mom cooked us a meal. And it's so sweet.
Even though it is super,

Speaker 1 it was heart-meltingly sweet. And even though, like, and I loved her response too.
Yeah. Because she's just like, we don't, we're not on a date.
Yeah. You can't love.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Right. And also the like list of things that they share in common, these ties that bind them, the fact that they're from the same place.
It's like, that's not sexy and fun. Right.

Speaker 1 But when he's hurt, she's worried about him. The way that she like came to check on him was just so sweet and he couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 It was clearly the best thing that had happened in his life that the person he loves cared about him and wanted to make sure he was okay. I was like, that was when I got emotional during the episode.

Speaker 1 It was so sweet. So you're like, he's going to put himself in danger again just to get another hit of that MOOC concern.
Or just like.

Speaker 2 So during the Muay Thai tournament,

Speaker 2 somebody's going to be like, hey, can you hold this cash? I just won.

Speaker 1 five thousand like one of those kind of moments i'm concerned him either holding cash helping somebody or he's heard all this stuff that tim has said it's he's incriminating intel whatever he tries to use it to get money out of him very worried about i don't think he's gonna try to i don't that that seems like a did tim see gay talk listening to him i think he probably ignorantly and wrongly assumes that he doesn't understand him i don't think he registered the second time i think he locked eyes within the first time though yeah i mean he like you noted he just flat out here some threatened to commit murder.

Speaker 1 So that's worrying. But yeah, Mook and Gay Talk are the best.
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 2 Your predictions. what other corners do you have before we go to predictions?

Speaker 1 No other corners. I just want to shout out one other person that is a delight to me every time, which is Fabian, the manager, who like is singing along all the words while his boss is singing.

Speaker 1 He's been writing songs, Joe. He's been learning to play the piano.

Speaker 1 When they're like, you should perform. He's like, oh, I

Speaker 1 can never. I'm the boss.
I love him. It feels very intentional to me after Armand and Valentina that the manager of the hotel is clearly not the main character of the hotel staff this time.

Speaker 1 He is more of our like kind of comic relief side figure. And he takes things so literally in some ways.

Speaker 1 The central act, and of course, the prime ship of the show. And Belinda.

Speaker 1 Oh, Belinda and Porncheck. Well, we got to fuck.
Belinda and Porncheck. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 We should point out that we didn't talk about Belinda for the first 50 minutes of this podcast because she was the least interesting plot by far.

Speaker 1 We haven't figured out what to do with it yet. Guys, so she's all right.
She also saw Greg.

Speaker 2 Greg Gary.

Speaker 1 Let's go with Michael. Greg Gary, Greg Schneider.
She's all Mitchell. She's so Pierre.
So did it strike you guys that she was like, I know him from somewhere, but I can't actually place it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she can't place it.

Speaker 2 It almost seemed like she was thinking that, no, that can't be him.

Speaker 1 It was like that was the conclusion.

Speaker 1 So they're going to have to interact again. He looks familiar, but I can't remember where I know him from.
It's going to be powerful when it clicks into place, I think. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was disappointing because I thought that was going to be the big episode too.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. Yeah.
Oh, oh, but maybe they're sitting here. That's why I'm rolling it out.
We've got six more episodes to go, guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Gary, what have you been up to?

Speaker 1 Yeah, this and that.

Speaker 1 Doing stuff. A lot of that going around.
Yeah. Hanging out.

Speaker 2 All right. What do you got for theories?

Speaker 1 Boy. I mean, I'm delighted to welcome you all to Monkey Corner.
It's like thrilling to me. Great.
Great to be here. Love monkeys.
I'm really into the crime ring idea.

Speaker 1 Like, there's a crime ring at the hotel.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Hot Mass Express, it's Vicki. Like,

Speaker 1 Vicki not making it out feels

Speaker 1 likely to me. What do you think?

Speaker 2 Do they do that a season after Hot Mess Express, Jennifer Coolidge, doesn't make it out?

Speaker 1 But Armand is also Hot Mess Express. But you're right.
Maybe it's too close to Jennifer Coolidge.

Speaker 1 Maybe we need someone to like devolve into Hot Mess Express, or maybe it's someone who's got it all together this time.

Speaker 2 That's my biggest 180 from episode one, episode two. I wasn't positive the Parker posy character was working for me.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know, but you like that.

Speaker 2 And then in the second one, I was like, I totally get it.

Speaker 1 This is fucking amazing. The way that that her eyes are just like squinted the whole time because she's just blasted.

Speaker 2 The way she handled the Leslie Bibby 10 years ago, just every, the way she was laughing at Saxon Saxton.

Speaker 1 Who's your number one? I'm worried about you. Gay talk.
Gay talk. I'm incredibly concerned.
My number one's Chelsea.

Speaker 1 No, I think Chelsea. I just can't maybe bear to consider.

Speaker 1 I can't bear to consider Gay Talk. Me neither, but it just feels like.

Speaker 1 Let's go for Valentin.

Speaker 1 I don't necessarily think he's going to die but i wonder if he's gonna set something in motion that then can't be contained like i feel like he's gonna get swept up in this somehow certainly i i the ratliffs all feel like they might just

Speaker 2 implode my friend dave who's one of the eps of the show who i haven't asked him for any information at all but i did ask him

Speaker 2 if amy lou if she's cool and he said she's the fucking best she seems like that was the scattering place

Speaker 2 seems great i'm interested to see what happens with her uh the next like five years because she's definitely got something yeah i have a a question about the triangle of trust.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Trust triangle.
I'm so sorry. The Jacobi Triangle.

Speaker 2 TM Dave Jacoby, the trust triangle.

Speaker 1 The DJ TT.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like that this is going to come to a head and they're going to like actively

Speaker 1 yell at each other, wild at each other? Or is it always, is it going to be a triangle?

Speaker 2 It's going to be a drunk overhearing thing.

Speaker 1 That's going to be a drunk overhearing thing.

Speaker 2 By the way, the king of the trust triangle,

Speaker 2 Fantasy and Chris. Chris Ryan.

Speaker 1 Like that's locked down.

Speaker 1 You feed the third with them.

Speaker 2 No matter who the third is, they lose.

Speaker 1 What if the third is true? Doesn't matter if it's Zach Baron. I was just going to say, what if the third is Zach? Still alive.
What about Andy Greenwald? Fantasy and Chris.

Speaker 1 Oh, trust triangle, you lose.

Speaker 2 Andy Greenwald. You tell Chris something, he's going to tell Sean.
You tell Sean something, he's telling Chris. You just have to know.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the trust triangle in Action.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do think Greenwald and Chris have a Andy and Chris.

Speaker 2 I think Fantasy still trumps it.

Speaker 2 This is a big ringer game show.

Speaker 1 Trust Triangle.

Speaker 1 Have people guessing who is the Trust Triangle? That would be wonderful. Yeah.
What could go wrong? No.

Speaker 2 People wouldn't get bad at all this is fine this is a fine subject to talk about um how about you who's your who are you most worried about chelsea chelsea chelsea easily and i think mook i think mook is going to make a bad decision with saxon i think that i think that's just a mike white move it's just i'm gonna

Speaker 2 you don't like this guy and you like this person

Speaker 1 i'm gonna do this so do we think the spray of gunfire is this crime ring rather than one of the guests? I mean, yeah, like we've seen a gun now. So like

Speaker 1 the Hollinger Hollinger guards could be involved. Yeah.
Members of the crime ring could be involved. The monkeys, obviously.
The monkeys obviously get a hold of the guns. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The monkeys having ingested the poison seeds of the I can see Rick having a gun, but Rick already said he's too nervous to travel with weed. So I don't think he traveled with a gun.

Speaker 2 It's smart movie. He saw Broke Down Palace.

Speaker 1 I was gonna, I wrote that in my notes. I was like, he's also a fan of Broke Down Palace.
He knows. But

Speaker 1 Fair Dance, take me, take me.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he could procure a gun, perhaps.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, so the big thing that's going to happen for the show from

Speaker 2 a mixing things up standpoint is when we go to Bangkok.

Speaker 2 That's going to open

Speaker 2 two things. Bangkok, and then if they actually take A-Talk to the fight or whatever, the sporting event, wherever we're going on Friday night.

Speaker 1 He said it on that it's on Friday, which is within our week. So I feel like we're going.
Right. What day of the week would a vacation at the White Lotus start?

Speaker 1 Sunday?

Speaker 1 A Sunday to Sunday? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I always thought, I mean, it could be any day.
It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 2 They could have showed up on like a Thursday. Yeah.
Yeah. So Bangkok, when we go there, that also gives us a chance to maybe have some new characters too.

Speaker 1 A couple new ones. Yes.
Right. You're, I think you're right.
That we got, let's see, episode three or four. We got to get some new people in the mix for sure.

Speaker 2 I'm excited to go to Bangkok.

Speaker 1 Me too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've enjoyed my time in Thailand.

Speaker 1 It seems great.

Speaker 1 I'll never go, but it seems awesome. A real one, Amy, on your takeout.
It's great when you're like Thailand. I'll never go there.

Speaker 1 Even Rick, it'll be like, I don't know, but I'm really enjoying being there vicariously. Only took Rick one day to opt in.

Speaker 1 He was like, I'm not going to eat anything, enjoying all of his meals the second day. Says he's not going to go to his stress management session.
Chelsea forced me to sign up for another one.

Speaker 1 I won't go again. Yes, he will.
Chelsea managing him, where she's like, oh, we already signed up. We're going to have to pay anyway.
I guess you got to go.

Speaker 2 By the way, my wife does that too. It's an incredible move.
Gove.

Speaker 1 Great move.

Speaker 2 You just lock it down. You can't get out of it.

Speaker 1 You would like this place. You're Mr.
Like, I'm on a juice cleanse. I did a cold plunge.

Speaker 2 Only twice did it get me, the coconut balls, whatever that one was. And then when Belinda had her feet in that

Speaker 1 cool thing. And I was like, all right, now I'm

Speaker 1 back in the massage. Oh, Belinda's

Speaker 1 stars when she got her shirt in.

Speaker 1 Hopefully not for the last time.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Any more theories before we wrap it up?

Speaker 1 Nope. Mal? I don't think so.
I think we've talked about what seems ominous or promising for all of our faves here.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 MVP of the first episode, we had Saxon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the two of us did. I don't know if Joe did.
You're not, but who, who is your MVP of the first episode? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chelsea? Maybe Chelsea. I really like her.

Speaker 2 But episode two, we're all going with Victoria.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's Park Rosie. Or who do you want us to be? Yeah.

Speaker 1 If I could pick a duo, I would pick Rick and Chelsea. Or like a unit, I would pick Rick and Chelsea.
If I had to pick one person, I would pick Victoria. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm expecting huge things out of Laurie in episode three. It's huge things.
Feels like it's going to be a,

Speaker 1 you don't bring Carrie Kuhn to Thailand to not let her do,

Speaker 1 I feel like it's Carrie Koon.

Speaker 2 What's your apex Carrie Kuhn moment?

Speaker 1 Leftovers. Crying in the hotel and leftovers season two.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How about you?

Speaker 2 She's always, it's always one of those where I like her every time she pops on anything I'm watching.

Speaker 1 She's perfect.

Speaker 2 It's probably about as high of an approver rating as I've had for an actor or actress. There's just certain people who are like, oh, this will be good.

Speaker 1 She's always amazing. What if he had just said like Proxima Midnight?

Speaker 1 Of course, his favorite of Thanos' children. She's in a Marvel movie.
It's the worst thing she's got. It's really worth it.
It's time to be right now.

Speaker 2 Can you guys fill time for two seconds?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. There's Fargo.
She's great on Fargo. She is great on Fargo.
You're a huge Gilded Age fan.

Speaker 1 I mean, I love the Gilded Age, and she... on the Gilded Age is married to one of the great recent like with the best of my life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But is she like, do they give Carrie Kuhn enough to do on the Gilded Age? Let me give you, let me try to give you the log, the log line for her character. They're the new money family.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 And they come in and she is like, I will not be made to feel less than by the old money.

Speaker 1 I will win my stake as the leader of the social circle by

Speaker 1 opening a new opera house. This is the opera box drama that I heard so much about.
It is an entire...

Speaker 1 I mean, it's really the entire. Okay, so it's delightful and your face telling me it's delightful.
Do they give Carrie koon enough to do in this show she she's like the

Speaker 1 yeah she is she's a slow burn yeah she's yeah she's she's great she's one of her great characters

Speaker 2 no that's a slow burn they're gonna she i think she cooks more than anyone else in this show like halfway through they're they're waiting for her yeah this one she was just kind of drunk and happy and sizing people up and waiting to see if she could but i did think pull leslie bibb over to her side a little bit.

Speaker 1 The gossip sesh was so good. She did a full-body sort of like, I know, like, excited to talk about shit talk her friends.
They all hate each other. It's great.

Speaker 2 All right, pre-cap you and Mahoney on Wednesday. Yep.
After episode two, looking ahead to episode three. Of course.
And then we will be back.

Speaker 1 Can't wait. Sunday night.
Yet again.

Speaker 2 It's been an absolutely crew, as always. Kai and Justin, everybody back there.

Speaker 1 Kai in LA. LA, Kai.
Kai in LA. LA Kai.
Unbelievable. What a thrill.

Speaker 2 Thank you, ladies. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Good to see you. Thank you.