‘The White Lotus’ Season 3 Premiere With Bill Simmons, Joanna Robinson, and Mallory Rubin

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Speaker 2 White Lotus, season three. I can't even remember how long ago season two was.
It was so long ago that Joanne Robinson and I have never done a podcast in the same room together.

Speaker 1 This is our first

Speaker 1 in-person podcast.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go watch some porn.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Wait.
Yeah. I'll watch some of the porn.
Are you going to use the bathroom door? Yeah, I'll watch you watch some porn. Does that sound like something we should do?

Speaker 1 I mean, right before you came in, Joe asked, like what do what do i even what do i even want and i said you know pussy yeah money freedom respect listen he's just dropping knowledge patrick schwarzenegger our guy uh it's white lotus season three i don't remember when season two happened i know you did a rewatch mal i don't are you a rewatch before the next season because these seasons don't really kind of match.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's one thing that matches.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there sure is. Well, there's two.
There's more than we thought there was Greg and Belinda. Greg shows up at the end.

Speaker 2 Well, Belinda, I guess.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Greg was we thought Belinda was going to be the main connected tissue. And then there's

Speaker 1 surprise Greg drop at the end of this episode.

Speaker 2 So you're not our rewatch the first two seasons to get in the mood.

Speaker 1 I spot rewatched, but I didn't rewatch the whole thing. Mallory is the A-plus dude in here.

Speaker 1 Just for the sheer pleasure of it in this case, because obviously this isn't like necessarily or at all a the plot continues. I mean, we will have some tether to where we left Belinda in season one.

Speaker 1 And obviously the fact that Greg is here gives us reason to assume that everything that happened with Tanya will

Speaker 1 come into play this season, but it's mostly the vibes i'm like am i gonna miss an excuse to revisit our time with your guy albie in sicily my favorite guy your favorite character albie in sicily of course not yeah i only watched season one i felt like i had seen season two enough that i felt comfortable but you did a season one rewatch i did a season one re-watch

Speaker 2 how did that work out for you fun it's fun you're not really like coach taylor's wife just being back in there yeah

Speaker 2 hello cindy sweeney yeah after watching season one Friday Night Lights, I was excited to spend more time with her.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it's the Mossbacher family.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Such a different show in a lot of ways that season one versus this show, but some of the DNA is the same.
I want to go through.

Speaker 2 Well, first I want to go through the units of people.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 And we can decide. You guys can power rank your favorites.
We have the Rat Lifts. We have the Fancy Cougars.

Speaker 1 We have Goggins and his girls. I said in my notes, Bill's going to call them the Cougars.
But the fancy cougars.

Speaker 1 I want to make sure that he really.

Speaker 1 Can you say it the way that he said it?

Speaker 1 cougars with relish.

Speaker 1 You gotta play the numbers, Lon.

Speaker 2 You gotta. What do we call the unit for Goggins and his lady?

Speaker 1 What would you call them? For Rick and Chelsea. I said, boy, the strange couple.

Speaker 2 All right, we'll call them the strange couple. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Melinda and maybe it seems like her son Zion, who starts

Speaker 1 Zion, yep. And then the staff.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's that's really what we have. So, Joanna, what was your favorite? Out of the units, what were you the most excited about?

Speaker 1 It's the Ratliff family. Like, obviously.
I love Walton Goggins. He's one of my favorite of all time.
And I think the fancy cougars are great.

Speaker 1 I'm a huge Carrie Coon fan, but Jason Isaac and Parker Posey, like slathering on those southern accents, one of them more successful than the other. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like what Parker Posey is doing in her sort of like... drug-addled matriarch state, I think is absolutely wonderful.
And then Mallory's new favorite person on Earth, Patrick Schwarzenegger, is here.

Speaker 1 But the names on the.

Speaker 2 Can you save that for like 20 minutes in?

Speaker 2 Don't shoot your wad now.

Speaker 1 Just save it.

Speaker 2 Save all your Schwarzenegger spots.

Speaker 1 Hold on to your wad.

Speaker 2 He's really like Mike White just created a character for Mallory.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was just specifically. She, I'll refrain from commenting.
I've sent Joanna some text messages. Yeah, I've received some messages about this.

Speaker 1 The names are Saxton, Piper, and Lachlan. Lachlan is just three of the most locky.
Three of the most just.

Speaker 2 I was going to say it's actually Locky. Yeah.
So it's Saxton, not Saxon.

Speaker 1 Saxon, Piper, and Locky. Yeah.
Timothy, Vicki.

Speaker 2 My wife asked me actually, did we ever, for our son, did was Saxton Simmons ever in the mix? And we both remembered no.

Speaker 1 But Lachlan Simmons. Locky Simmons.

Speaker 2 Maybe as a dog, like calling a dog Locky.

Speaker 1 Locky. Locky.
All right.

Speaker 2 So Joe goes for the Ratliffs. What do you have, Mel?

Speaker 1 No question. And I'm with Joe.
Like, Goggins is one of my... favorite performers and he was the one I was looking forward to seeing in the show the most.
But

Speaker 1 start to finish, batting a thousand, the Ratliffs in the premiere. I,

Speaker 1 I, every single thing that came out of any of their mouths, I thought was like incredible. And they also just, they, they dominated the episode.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't actually clock the runtime, but it felt like we were with them, certainly more than we were with Rick and Chelsea. So, um,

Speaker 1 I, I do, I, I, I eagerly await Joanna's accent corner thoughts, but hearing Jason Isaacs, Lucius Malfoy himself, say, what decision you got into Duke is a life highlight. Is a life highlight.

Speaker 1 Also, I mean, college basketball comes to White Lotus. We have a Duke UNC rivalry on the show.
Like, this is your dream.

Speaker 2 Pretty exciting. I, so I'm still trying to figure out what Posey's doing.
That would be my nitpick for this episode.

Speaker 1 Are you not enjoying what she's doing? She's like,

Speaker 2 she just said three times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm trying like, I'm around the age range of the parents. So I'm trying to think of even people in my life who are like this or people I've heard about that are like this.

Speaker 2 And it's a little exaggerated, but i think when she fell asleep at dinner it clicked into place for me that was they're just like oh she's just she's just a happy drugged up mom that's just trying to stay out of the way just like a deeply functional drug addict

Speaker 1 Fantastic. There's a shot after they like settle in after

Speaker 1 Jason Isaac says as the patriarch has said like, Pam, you're a wonderful person. Pam, Pam, you're a wonderful person.
How wonderful for you. How wonderful for you.

Speaker 1 But he like, he like stands and looks at the place they've booked. And he's just like, he has never felt like more of a man in his life.
Oh my God. Then like, look what I have provided.

Speaker 1 Look what I have conquered for my family. And we know from the phone calls from the press that it's all about to go downhill.
So I loved that initial to like the,

Speaker 1 I did my research and Saxon looking at him like, God, you're always right. Right.
And then he feels compelled to say, I don't need a vacation. I love working.
And I'm like, wow, it's me and Bill.

Speaker 1 Oh, Salary is. I don't know which one of us is Saxon.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love working. I don't need a vacation.
Do you do the apocalypse now just under the surface of the pool, swimming pool, look around for like who's

Speaker 1 in the pool?

Speaker 2 That was probably my favorite camera angle of the entire episode.

Speaker 2 I really liked how they did that and how they presented him. I mean, he's the obviously the winner character of the first episode, Saxon.

Speaker 1 No, David.

Speaker 2 So what's our history with Patrick Schwarzenegger?

Speaker 1 Oh, so I assume that We've talked about this, so I know you're not a Gen V enthusiast, but you, I assume, have never watched any of the boys or Gen V.

Speaker 2 No, I know those are the two things. He was also in a movie, right? Like there was one thing that I feel like I intersected with.

Speaker 1 He's been in some stuff, but he, so he played Golden Boy. His character in Gen V, his superhero character, is Golden Boy, which is just perfect.
So he just knows. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He just knows exactly what he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Golden. Do you think Arnold's proud of him? Do you think he's like, I watched by Logos.

Speaker 1 He was doing press. I thought you look great.
Yeah, he was doing press. He's like, oh, my son did a nude scene.
Like, Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Speaker 1 He's like, I also don't get a good enough pump if I'm not listening to music.

Speaker 2 Do you think Arnold advised him to actually walk toward the camera with his dong swaying like in Terminator 1? Or he's like, oh, you're just doing the back?

Speaker 2 You're not doing the front two?

Speaker 1 Well, we got a little

Speaker 1 front here.

Speaker 1 We get a shot from reflection.

Speaker 1 There's a little. So I was going to ask you.

Speaker 1 There's a little... There's a little bit of a turn.
I remember Treo James in the second season.

Speaker 2 Mao was standing next to her TV

Speaker 1 squinting. Well, didn't need to, I didn't need to squint.
Because you at the premiere, I didn't need to squint because that

Speaker 1 Cameron prosthetic. That was a huge difference.
No, no, but like very memorable. At the premiere, was this on the big screen? You got to see Schwarzenegger at work on the big screen.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, we moved quickly from on the gigantic screen at the Paramount Theater, Saxon asking Locky, what kind of porn do you like?

Speaker 1 Hot teacher, Bukaki, into his dick swinging in the mirror reflection. Cameron's prosthetic in season two, the Cameron Harper scene, also a mirror reflection bathroom scene.
Nick Waite, how arty?

Speaker 1 Indeed.

Speaker 2 I think the way he said Bukaki was a new way to say it, and I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 He's like, Bukaki!

Speaker 1 Wild moment.

Speaker 1 Wild moment.

Speaker 2 He is.

Speaker 2 So there's shades of what's his face in season one who is married to Didari. Jake Lacey's game.
Jake Lacey.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Jake Lacey.
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 But this guy's way more alpha-y. There's also some really fun father-son stuff, which we get in sports all the time.
He's clearly like the guy being groomed to take over the business.

Speaker 2 Like he could easily be

Speaker 2 the cowboys owner grooming his son Saxton.

Speaker 1 And then eventually appearing on Landman in a deeply emotional and moving scene.

Speaker 2 Right. In the most moving TV scene of the year.

Speaker 1 Do you know I made her watch Landman?

Speaker 2 Just for the Jerry Jones?

Speaker 1 No, no, for all of it.

Speaker 2 Well, Joe likes TV. I would assume that would have been like a toy force for her.

Speaker 1 I think we met her limit at last with Landman. Oh, really? No, no, no.
We had a great time.

Speaker 1 You had a great time? Not even seeing.

Speaker 1 Killy Bob's amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So good. All right.
But it's like, it's Friday Night Lights methadone, right? Like when you just re-watch Friday Night Lights and it's trying so hard to be Friday Night Lights.

Speaker 2 Crossed with yellow stuff. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 So we'll go back to the Rat Lives.

Speaker 2 So I have a different answer

Speaker 1 than the Rat Lives. I love the fancy cougars.
They're great. Yeah.
I loved every second with them.

Speaker 2 There's so much going on.

Speaker 2 I always judge too. Like I sneak peeks at my wife to see how engaged she is.

Speaker 2 And when she's like fully 100% engaged, her jaw drops and she goes, she's kind of watched her like this. And I was like, oh, you're making the face.
Every time they were on.

Speaker 2 There's so much going on.

Speaker 2 I love the idea. I can't believe it even took till season three to have an actress for Mike White to go.
So I don't know where it's going. Cause so we should mention all of us made a pact.

Speaker 1 We're not watching ahead. No.

Speaker 2 We have not watched ahead. My wife was infuriated by this.

Speaker 1 Oh, she went to make a packet. Just watch.
Just go to the second one.

Speaker 2 They'll never know.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, you wouldn't even tell us what you thought of the first one before we had watched ahead. I didn't tell you anything.
Not even like it was okay. I haven't watched.

Speaker 1 even tell us that we were going to get to see part of Patrick Schwarzenegger's dog.

Speaker 1 You really held out on us.

Speaker 2 But so we deliberately didn't watch ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so the actress, I'm really excited to see where that goes because I know there's like a ton of Hollywood stuff that he's going to pack in.

Speaker 1 This was my favorite line: is when your favorite character of all time, Saxon, is at the pool.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I recognize you. You're on TV.
And she says, thank you. Right.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 and then he says, cool. Yeah.
Yeah. It's super ever.
Oh, Mayo. Yeah.
Oh, my God. Michelle Monaghan, as Jacqueline is tremendous stuff because she is so fake humble.
And she's like, oh, I would sleep.

Speaker 1 I would sleep in a tree. I would sleep anywhere.
You guys know. They're like, of course, you were.
Why would I be the fake?

Speaker 1 Like, her lady was amazing.

Speaker 2 She's paying for everything.

Speaker 1 She's paying for everything. They're going to pay for their own treatments.
They're going to pay for their own treatment.

Speaker 1 And yeah, Carrie Koon being cast as like the frumpy one. Oh my god.
When she has that shot where she walks towards Cameron that gold baby soon, she looks amazing.

Speaker 2 So they're actually trying hard to make her look like the frumpy one out of the three.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just like inside of their dynamic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course she's hot.

Speaker 1 They're really working it. But they're having like Leslie Bibb and Michelle Monaghan's character, Kate and Jaclyn, just compliment each other.
And they're like, oh, and you look great too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just the basics.

Speaker 1 Just some maintenance. Yeah.
Just some maintenance. And your daughter seems like she's really turning into a cool girl.
Yeah. They hate each other.

Speaker 2 So they've known each other since age nine. Yes.
And then they all went different paths. So our guess is that

Speaker 2 Leslie Bibb, by the way, who I feel like has never been in completely the right thing. Like she was in the mix.

Speaker 1 She's in a lot of movies, TV shows.

Speaker 2 This is probably the best look she's had, I think, right?

Speaker 1 This is good for her. Her current.

Speaker 2 I don't even know what I remember her from, but I know she's been around for 25 years.

Speaker 1 Iron Man.

Speaker 1 Where she worked for Van Vanity Harry? Fair. Iron Man.
Iron Man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's probably her biggest thing.

Speaker 1 Did a spread. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She, uh,

Speaker 1 the way that she, Kate, her character, Kate, is like, everyone in Austin knows about Dave's business. He knows about Dave.
Yeah. Everyone knows about Dave's business.
She's got all these houses.

Speaker 1 So like she's really successful in her way and Jaclyn's really successful in her way. And we don't know about Lori, about Carrie Koon's character.
Right. She's like a corporate bat.
Yes.

Speaker 2 So everything seems fine, even though we know they hate each other. But then...

Speaker 1 No, but there are these little looks.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 There's little long and fake smiles. But then when they're all having the wine at the end and Carrie Koon is slamming white, white shard in there or whatever.

Speaker 1 She's slurping the shard from the moment. She opened that bottle and she's just, yeah.
Cause she's already been on a long like plane ride with them or whatever.

Speaker 1 No, it's just the, I love that it's three of them. Yes.
It's the perfect dynamic for two of them to roll their eyes at the third one no matter what. And for that to always swap.

Speaker 1 For that always is walking.

Speaker 2 They can't pair off.

Speaker 1 They can't like do two and two yeah yeah which of them is gonna fuck valentine and which of them is gonna fuck Saxon Russian the Valentin

Speaker 2 massage therapist I think

Speaker 1 I say Carrie Kuhn fucks them both at least Valentin yeah that's what I say yeah well

Speaker 1 so he's everyone's favorite because he's handsome these three have baggage though so what's the baggage because again this is the advantage to us not watching a head so well I don't know that it has to be anything further than just sort of like we all grew up together and one of us got really famous and the other one is really rich and the other one is doing doing something else.

Speaker 2 Somebody had to have taken something from somebody. Like

Speaker 2 they were two at two of them were acting in high school and one made it. There's got to be some sort where somebody took somebody's husband or something.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. Like the Olivia Paula season one equivalent of just like, if you see I have something, suddenly you want it.
That aspect of it.

Speaker 1 But I kind of agree that this feels like the, no, part of what we're interrogating, part of the commentary is that actually just normal relationships are fractured and flawed.

Speaker 1 And the people who are like nominally your closest friends are maybe going to be the people you resent the most.

Speaker 1 And the question is going to be when that bubbles to the fore and you scream it at them instead of like finding a way to maybe discuss it calmly.

Speaker 1 Whereas like Rick is on an active hunt tracking Jim Hollinger across the globe. Timothy Ratliff is about to be embroiled in scandal in the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 1 So I actually think we need a quieter contrast to that, which the trio of friends provide.

Speaker 2 It's a really cool concept of these three people, their lives seem like they've turned out differently, but not badly for any of them.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 But it, that whole concept of these people you know forever, and then circumstances change. You don't see each other as much.
Some people are doing a little better than others.

Speaker 2 And then how does that all manifest itself when you're in Thailand?

Speaker 1 And the thing that, yeah, the thing that White Lotus, now that we're in the third season, like, I feel like when you and I were covering the second season, I felt like, I'm not sure I know exactly what this show is yet because we only had that one other example.

Speaker 1 Now that we've seen two seasons, I'm like, oh,

Speaker 1 bad things happen to good people. Bad people never get their comeuppance.
Like, that's the world we live in. And that is fine.

Speaker 1 And also that this is always just going to be a pressure cooker. Like,

Speaker 1 because Mike White loves Survivor and he sort of basis on Survivor, except he's like... David versus Goliath, great season.

Speaker 1 The idea is not like,

Speaker 1 what happens when you put people on an island and turn up the heat to 11? It's like, what do you give them everything? They're in the absolute lap of luxury.

Speaker 1 And all of this ugliness will come to the surface anyway.

Speaker 1 The concept on some level being like, let's go to beautiful places and make six to eight episodes of television. Obviously, just on that level, the concept is brilliant.

Speaker 1 But the concept, that core driver, the setting will change, the particular characters will change, the thing that they're arguing about or unhappy about will change.

Speaker 1 But that concept of like, you can escape your ship, but you can't escape yourself is like a just ever-renewing resource. Like

Speaker 1 no matter who they put in a given hotel. I will say, though.
I don't know if you wanted to get to this later, but let me just say, I would simply not vacation at the White Lotus at this point.

Speaker 1 because there have been too many too many fucking dead people at the White Lotus.

Speaker 2 And the end of the vacation, too. So it's like day six, we should leave a day early before somebody dies.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Or I would leave the five days.

Speaker 1 But let's say you like, what's your favorite hotel to stay in, Mallory? Like, do you have a chain that you have? Mallory doesn't leave our house. I can't remember the last time.

Speaker 1 But what's your favorite hotel to stay in?

Speaker 2 I don't think there's an answer. Depends what you like for our location.

Speaker 1 Let's just say we love the four seasons and we love to stay in New York and City. And I do after watching White Lotus.
Compared to the Four Seasons or whatever.

Speaker 1 Are you at any given time aware of how many murder deaths have happened out of four seasons over several years? It's a fair count.

Speaker 2 Like Kabos like that. There's always stories, like you read on Apple News.
It's like,

Speaker 1 terrorists,

Speaker 1 the Tanya.

Speaker 2 That's the only time I'm aware of it.

Speaker 1 The deaths in season two would have been huge news, I think, right? Because that was like a number. It wasn't just Tanya.
It was like all the dead bodies on the boat.

Speaker 1 And so I feel like there's a paragraph in the story about that that's like, and this mere months after Maui white lotus manager Armand was found next to a mound of his own shit, stabbed in the pineapple streets.

Speaker 1 Well, this has been, so this has been,

Speaker 1 thanks for that season one recap. Maria said White Lotus.
No, but like, was it mere months?

Speaker 1 I mean, so it's been a year at least since White Lotus season two, because Greg and his girlfriend have been spraying. It's been more, right?

Speaker 2 It's been two years.

Speaker 1 Has it been two years? Yes.

Speaker 1 In the real world. But you're saying in the story time, right? Because Greg and his girlfriend have the house.
They've been there for a year. They've been there for a year.

Speaker 1 And how long did it take him to lock her down? Yeah, but that's another year. I think two years.

Speaker 2 My hair is at least two years.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, three deaths over the course of

Speaker 1 the day convinced me. Let's put her on vacation.

Speaker 1 The villas look lovely.

Speaker 1 The additional layer in this season of like the spirituality aspect

Speaker 1 is like extra delicious because like, yes, this is sort of a rinse and repeat formula, but on top of the luxury of Hawaii and Sicily, we have like, we're here to find spiritual enlightenment is just really tasty.

Speaker 1 Yes. It's going to be really good, I think.

Speaker 2 It's spiritual enlightenment, but there's also like a

Speaker 2 level of ominousness.

Speaker 1 Is that a word? Mouth?

Speaker 1 Not exactly the way you said it.

Speaker 1 There's an ominousity. There's an ominous quality.

Speaker 1 There's a specter of colours.

Speaker 2 Ominous quality.

Speaker 1 There's the right one sponsor. I assume what you're talking about on the ominous front is that the menu consists mostly of coconut rice balls and gluten-free food.
Well, and then

Speaker 1 they want you to put your phone away. No, I'm fine.
It also sounded like it was excited for that.

Speaker 1 That's why they were crappy on that. Yeah, no.
Digital DVD. The music was like a little like.
Yeah, of course. The spooky music.

Speaker 2 And also Thailand just in general. Beautiful.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 Beautiful on the right day. On the wrong day, it's like a monsoon.
Like even like they said in the production, it was, I think, a little different than just, let's go to Hawaii.

Speaker 1 That's totally different.

Speaker 2 You're in Thailand.

Speaker 2 Getting bit by mosquitoes. You have to shut down the set for three days because it rained.

Speaker 1 What was the most formative Thailand pop culture experience for you guys? And why is it Jack Shepard getting his ill-advised tattoos and lost?

Speaker 1 I was lost is broke down palace was that in Thailand how can you top lost though I mean Claire Danes is a good way to try

Speaker 2 broke down palace and jacket and the tattoos are my tips

Speaker 1 here's my rundown of like ominous

Speaker 1 wait could you hold that yeah of course because we gotta take a break

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Speaker 2 All right, Joe's going to do her ominous thing in a second. We didn't talk about the other unit of

Speaker 2 Weird Strange Couple.

Speaker 1 We're still going to go back through the rat lifts. We're going back.
We're dabbling back.

Speaker 2 We haven't gotten back. But the third unit is the.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, you guys.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, Goggins.

Speaker 2 Can't wait. Can't wait to see how they unleash him.

Speaker 2 His hair looks terrible. He's smoking.
He seems like a dick. I'm like, oh, they're really, they're stripping us down away from the goggins we know.
And they're creating this new alter sleazy goggins.

Speaker 1 They let Jason Isaacs do whatever you want to call that southern accent. And they made Walt Goggins do like ship-shaped little northerner vowels.
Right. Yeah.
So no draw.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 We get like knocks on his hair. He's bald.
Like, I feel like Walton Goggins cares a lot about his hair, and I love that for him because his hair is.

Speaker 2 He took stuff out. I almost feel like they put like patches in it.
It felt like they were intentionally making it look bad.

Speaker 1 Well, when he first shows up, he looks like bedraggled. Yeah.
Like sweaty, and he's been on a shit. Chelsea does recommend a gentleman's facial to him.

Speaker 1 Rick, the woman at the airport, thought you were my dad.

Speaker 1 Brutal. I love Chelsea.
Amy Wood from Sex Education. I think she is really really fun.
Great. And I think she's going to be really good energy.

Speaker 1 Megan Fahey, who we loved in season two, it's giving that kind of energy to me. That sort of like bubbly in a way that you like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's my favorite. I hope she doesn't die during the season character of all.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 She's the one you're like, all right, don't let anything happen to her.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Belinda from season one, who I think some people felt like was borderline MVP.

Speaker 1 Excuse me. She was tremendous.

Speaker 1 Pretty boring first episode. So start.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure where they're going with her yet.

Speaker 1 So I think this gets into the question of how much of the connected crime actually is going to be present in this season because

Speaker 1 Belinda and Tanya share a season one storyline, right? Tanya is going to invest, encouraging her to start her own wellness retreat, and then just gets...

Speaker 1 swept up in her romance with Greg, completely bails on Belinda and devastates her to the point where Rachel is sitting there crying and Belinda says, you need advice? I'm fresh out and like walks out.

Speaker 1 That's her very powerful exit from the show, right? Like enough of trying to make you all happy. What about me? It was amazing.

Speaker 1 Tanya and Greg, obviously Greg is in season one, but Tanya and Greg and everything that happens there with Quentin, the boat.

Speaker 1 Belinda knows that Greg was with Tanya. So

Speaker 1 if she sees Greg. If she sees Greg, like the question.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And like the, we, what we don't know, the information we don't have through one episode is like, did word of Tanya's death?

Speaker 1 Because, once again, it's a death every few years. It's just

Speaker 1 apparently

Speaker 1 a reasonable average. But, like, you know, obviously part of Greg's scheme was because of the prenop, Tanya had to die so that he could get her money.

Speaker 1 I think we can presume, based on the fact that he's living in a house in a beautiful area that he got the money. Did Portia never go to the cops to talk about Greg?

Speaker 2 Go backwards on that because for people who don't really remember, Greg was the big reveal of this first episode. Yeah.

Speaker 1 got a big

Speaker 1 losers back home.

Speaker 1 So we saw last time we saw him

Speaker 1 incredible.

Speaker 2 Grace of the second season, maybe around the fifth episode, he bounced. All of a sudden, he was gone for the last two.
And Jennifer Coolidge had gone to that crazy house.

Speaker 2 And yeah, and these guys are trying to murder me. And we never knew what happened to Greg.
And now he turned up and he clearly cashed in the money. And now he's on some sort of scheme.

Speaker 2 So again, we don't know anything.

Speaker 1 Celebrating his riches. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's too easy. No, I think he's.
Well, is he hiding out? That's the thing. Like, is he really

Speaker 1 or is he hiding out? Yeah. Like, did Portia go to the cops and say, you got to look into this Craig guy? I think no.
Yeah, that's fucked up, man. No, but that's White Lotus.
Yeah. Bummer.
Like,

Speaker 1 the shitty couple stay together. Yeah.
The people, when we go back to the Rattlers family, or I could just say this now, like, there's this war over Locky, right? In many respects.

Speaker 1 There's like the female side of the family, the male side of the family, you know, which college is he going to go to?

Speaker 1 Is he going to go scope out based on the pool or is he going to go to like the technology?

Speaker 2 Why is he checking out his older brother on the way to the bathroom?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got a lot of questions about that.

Speaker 2 A lot of questions left with Lockie.

Speaker 1 In previous seasons, I would be like, which way is he going to go? Having seen two seasons of White Lotus, I'm just going to pick Saxon. Yeah, he's going to pick Sex.

Speaker 1 Some serious Targaryen incest vibes with the three siblings in general. Especially, because your sister's really hot.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you've noticed she's really hot.

Speaker 2 So Mike White was just on the taboo list and he's like, oh, gay incest. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, Zach is talking about how hot his sister is. Locky's watching his brother go walk over to watch porn and masturbate in the mirror.
There's just a lot going on. They're totally normal family.

Speaker 1 Normal family. You'll see.

Speaker 2 Very.

Speaker 1 How wonderful for you. How wonderful for you.

Speaker 1 Pam.

Speaker 2 And then the staff.

Speaker 2 The only one that really jumped out was the young, attractive, smiling one who seems like she's soaking in a lot of. Mook.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good stuff for me. Big Mook fan.

Speaker 1 I'm a big Pam fan, honestly. Pam rolled.

Speaker 1 Then

Speaker 1 there's the guy who works the gate who's got like a crush on me. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I liked him a lot. A big fan of him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Moped guy. Yeah.
Moped guy. Yeah.
And then talk. Gate talk.
So, and the owner. And Amarita, who's running the sort of

Speaker 1 spiritual thing at the beginning. Fabian, the manager, who seemed absolutely panicked about the dish being placed or removed prematurely from the table.

Speaker 1 And then the manager. The owner.
The owner? The owner. Here's my question.
So

Speaker 2 what are we calling her? Owner lady, the matron? What's our nickname for her?

Speaker 1 Have you ever asked someone to just circle the bay while they're getting ready?

Speaker 2 Well, she wasn't ready yet.

Speaker 1 Got a cruise of bay. Circle, too.

Speaker 1 Everyone's on her terms. Own a cruise of the bay.

Speaker 2 So the key with her is that her husband,

Speaker 2 who our guy Goggins was looking for.

Speaker 1 Scott Glenn. Got sick.
Stick is here.

Speaker 1 It is daredevil season. Scott Glenn.

Speaker 2 He's off somewhere.

Speaker 1 Bangkok. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So he's coming back.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I think Rick is going to go looking for him, right? Because he's following him. So he's like, God, I came here.

Speaker 1 I'm here. I'm in Phuket.
And he's in, he's not here. Like, I have to pursue him now.
Is

Speaker 1 Theory Corner? Yes. We have not watched ahead.
No. Is he Rick's dad?

Speaker 1 So that's my leading guess that.

Speaker 2 See, this is why Joe makes the big bucks.

Speaker 1 The Jim Hollinger is Rick's father seems like the leading theory. There's just like, couldn't you just see it? Scott Glenn.

Speaker 1 The goggins. Yes.
The bone structure.

Speaker 2 So either like a son that got shoved to the side or somebody who illegitimate son.

Speaker 1 and he just like me resents yeah like that or like yeah he because he's disappointed yes that that guy is not there right that hollinger's not there but also just sort of like has is looking at his wife in a way that just makes me feel like you chose her you ran into my mom for her something like that she used to be like an actress back in her day what's the story there yeah so yeah that's that's a theory like yeah and we learn like we hear that jim that jim hollinger is like a very important man yeah and trying to make everyone a big tough man.

Speaker 1 So, like, he's a person of consequence and status. He's Jim Hollinger.

Speaker 1 He's Jim Hollinger. He's a huge guy.
He's sick. But, like, so he owns all of White Lotus.
Well, so this is so, or is it like a franchise? Rick, obviously. My guess is that's his dad.

Speaker 1 Could be like a former, it could be personal, it could be business. Like, did he fuck him on a business deal or something? That's, I think, at least a possibility.

Speaker 1 But presumably, he is after either some sort of emotional

Speaker 1 currency or actual currency, money. But Rick clearly has

Speaker 1 money.

Speaker 1 Unless he's living off some he has some like

Speaker 1 Rick barely works, but they can afford to travel white lotus. They can travel everywhere, but they don't usually travel like this.
Because Chelsea says we should always

Speaker 1 live like this. Yeah, we're going to be able to do it.
But are we sure they're banging boots?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. She's like, you want to use Tantra later?

Speaker 2 He doesn't seem that interested in really anything with her, though.

Speaker 1 Well, I think he's distracted by his pursuit of his missing dad. You know, Tantric Traditional Life is a little bit different.

Speaker 1 You don't feel like she's playing the part of a girlfriend and they're not actually boyfriend, girlfriend. Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2 Like, just like a hired gun, basically.

Speaker 1 Hmm. I'll think about that.
Possibly.

Speaker 2 Hooker/slash/sex worker for the weekend.

Speaker 1 Nothing like that. No, no, I think they're aiming for a lot of people.
No, they travel a lot. Yeah, it's a question, maybe, of the depth of the career.

Speaker 2 I'm prepared for anything with that relationship.

Speaker 1 But Greg's lady, yeah.

Speaker 2 Seems like for her. Might have been, might have met her on Ryan.
Yeah. All right.
Do your, do your ominous thing. Okay.

Speaker 1 My ominous,

Speaker 1 this is not an incomplete list. Mal, tell me a few other things.
Okay. Monkey motif, right? The monkeys are everywhere.
And at one point, someone says monkeys can be aggressive.

Speaker 1 Bill, do you remember when we covered the staircase and there was the owl theory? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Because we know that gunshots went off at the beginning of this episode, but we don't know that like the body in the water is because of the guns. Does a monkey do it? Is the monkey

Speaker 1 the killer in season three of Whiteload?

Speaker 2 There's a lot of guns.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of guns. No, guns are going off.
There was like four. By the way, that's where you know

Speaker 1 where you know Patrick Schwarzenegger from, the staircase.

Speaker 2 Right. Good call.

Speaker 1 Forgot that. Poisonous fruit.
Wait, hold on. Go back to monkeys.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Are you? I'm having to spend all the time on the monkeys. Are you? Great sentence.

Speaker 2 You love animals.

Speaker 1 I love an animal.

Speaker 2 Pro monkeys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the monkeys seemed really chill and super great. I, the,

Speaker 1 I love, I thought the lizard seemed also great. The, like Belinda, I thought the, like, the rustling of the leaves and the prospect of something falling on your head in the dead of night

Speaker 1 was not for me. But yeah, the fact that you could just go out on your deck and hang out with a monkey, wonderful.

Speaker 1 Would it offend you if a monkey does it this season, if the monkey is a murderer this season?

Speaker 1 I do not believe the monkey is going to be the murderer this season based on the sheer volume of bullet spray that we got. But I love that you're keeping an open mind.

Speaker 2 Counter on monkeys?

Speaker 1 Okay, you're in. You're in on some counters.
Wow. I had some counters.
A bunch of monkeys. It's not in touch.

Speaker 1 It's like murder on the already expensive.

Speaker 2 I think they get aggressive and territorial and they throw their own poop.

Speaker 2 Those are two negatives in my mind. I don't know if on vacation I'm like, oh, cool, there's three monkeys.

Speaker 1 Everybody who's like a little bit alarmed and then trying to be delighted, but like mostly a little bit alarmed. Yeah.
You know what I mean? By the monkeys.

Speaker 2 Because the staff isn't saying like don't. directly make eye contact with any of the monkeys.
They're not warning them.

Speaker 1 Because they'll either throw their feces at you or shoot you with the... I'm not saying that the monkey has a gun.

Speaker 1 i'm just saying well we know mike wait what if the monkey just startle someone into the water does that still count that the monkey did it i think you would be able to at least claim that you were right okay great i like joe i like where you're going number two

Speaker 1 it's a beautiful start to theory corner number two poisonous fruit yeah this is a this was checkoff's poison seed poison no question so they very very carefully threw that in the tossing it up pam an authority yeah it's like no it like yeah it will kill you it's toxic you will die So here's my poison fruit theory.

Speaker 1 Cause I think like the fact that it's in Saxon's hand and he's associated with it and we know that his father is about to be embroiled in scandal. Do we think that

Speaker 1 Saxon will use the poison fruit at some point to try to take out somebody who's coming for his father? He would.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wouldn't he? And then probably on a poisoning himself.
And then lead to

Speaker 2 a true journal reporter comes to Thailand.

Speaker 1 Yes, and it goes wrong, and then somehow sparks a series of events that leads to retribution against the Ratliffs. Wow.
We are taking down journalism in season three of Boy Lodin.

Speaker 2 It's like wire season five.

Speaker 2 Here's my question with this fancy resort that's one of the most expensive places in the world.

Speaker 1 Why are there poisonous fruit trees?

Speaker 2 Get rid of the fucking fruit. It's toxic fruit.

Speaker 1 Where do people bring their kids? Even my five-year-olds eating the fruit.

Speaker 2 Well, the toxic fruit, that's like a no-shaped.

Speaker 1 That's an immediate out. Okay.
Get rid of the fruit. I think they're going for because of the wellness.
The central pitch here is the wellness retreat, which I would like to say. This looks beautiful.

Speaker 1 I will be looking into, I assume we're going to see a similar spike in rates like we did at the four seasons in Sicily. We'll be looking into this, as you guys both know, as two of my dearest friends.

Speaker 1 I haven't been on a vacation in a decade, but I'll look at it just to think about the future.

Speaker 2 Trick to Anaheim once.

Speaker 1 She podcasts about this from Thailand. I think we should consider it.

Speaker 1 Season four, let's go to wherever they're filming. I hope season four is finally.

Speaker 1 I think it needs to be a cold.

Speaker 1 Oh, exciting. Cold Lotus for season four.
It's time. Let's go to a ski resort, please.
Cold Lotus on the ski. It's time.
Oh, interesting. Everyone looks great in their bathing suits.
It's wonderful.

Speaker 1 Let's get, let's get on a ski resort. Okay.

Speaker 1 Because they're doing like the wellness, I think the part of the pitch is like, you are truly communing with nature. You are in the elements.

Speaker 1 So if they go in and they take out the poisoned fruit of the bong bong tree, that is not an authentic experience. And if they're asking

Speaker 1 for a digital d1 lawsuit i think the white loss is thriving despite dead bodies of plenty the only thing that they have more of than the cocktails on the menu are corpses what if they don't give a shit they might be governmentally protected i don't know maybe you can't like cut down these trees they fall to the ground you can pick them up collect them and put them

Speaker 1 somewhere else

Speaker 1 that's a good point there should be a daily fruit scoop situation out there daily toxic fruit scoop yeah exactly maybe keep those out of the freaking hotel that's a great one what's your thailand take yeah i'm just never going why it looks beautiful i think the most movies and pop culture have really ruined it for me where it's clair dance where what was the what was the naami watts movie was that in thailand too when they with the tsunami oh no no it was in the far east somewhere though it was definitely yeah the one with tom holland and you mcgregor really good movie by the way really great movie um I don't know, something about the Far East that just, it's like a stayaway for me.

Speaker 1 Seems great. I can't do it.

Speaker 2 It seems great. My wife is upset, and and i'll end up she'll make me go at some point will you be mad if we go yeah we'll go

Speaker 1 yeah let's go i just said the elements are too much of a wild card for me but i love i mean like i love that that's part of this is like there's monkeys in the trees there's poisonous fruit and that's sort of the whole white lotus vibe is just sort of to your point the sinister music it's like i don't think mike white is saying don't go to thailand it's dangerous you shouldn't go there but like all of these fantasy escapist things are supposed to have this hint of danger to them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a take your seatbelt off vacation. Yeah, yeah.
All right, what's your next one?

Speaker 1 Guys with guns. We've got the Hollinger security team, we do, and they are strapped.
Yes, so they are. Yes.
If someone's going to shoot off a bunch of guns,

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a lot of guns. So it's not one person with a gun in this cold open, right? It's a volley of guns.
So it's a shootout. Yes.

Speaker 1 And so I'm just saying, like, yes, there's definitely going to be a shootout. It's definitely not monkeys firing the guns.
But I'm just saying we don't know that the shootout is what results in.

Speaker 2 Maybe a lot of guys shooting at one person.

Speaker 1 but no it's not like a mass shooter situation could be so the the the two the two hollinger guards who we we see the charmingly flirting with mook yeah maybe our guy gay talk is like well apparently i do need to maybe he's had enough work harder to take out the competition here it's not enough that i'm still receiving letters from my pen paltry

Speaker 1 okay from draft safe list it's chelsea number one is gay talk number two i and mook number three those are my safeties i don't want anything happening but chelsea got in some ways chelsea got the clearest like i also agree i want i want chelsea to remain alive and well but she literally said out loud even if it kills me that's on my list which is very worrying she's like i'm gonna save you even if it kills me it's not great it's incredibly concerning gay talk yes once saved a man from drowning very sweet yeah is he going like because here here's here's all the information we have we have zion who we believe is belinda's son yes is in the water briefly pays uh praise and then gets pissed immediately when it doesn't pay off.

Speaker 1 So looping into our spiritualism question, but like we get a, there's seemingly a body in the water. Yes.
We don't know if that person's dead. Right.

Speaker 2 Did you freeze frame the body to see if it was male or female? Try to,

Speaker 1 as usual, you can't tell.

Speaker 1 I checked it out.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Couldn't tell anything.

Speaker 1 I think the only thing I could say with maybe certainty is that it's not Belinda, because if it's, if it, if it is, that doesn't mean that there's not more than one body, but Zion.

Speaker 1 It's not Harita. Zion would run toward his mother, not away from her.
So I feel like that's a stranger to him.

Speaker 1 The floating mother.

Speaker 2 So my wife was like, oh, yeah. And then his mom's the one floating.
And I was like, that's not true. And then we had one of those arguments you have when you've been married too long.

Speaker 2 And I was like, that's not what happened. It is.
Go rewind it.

Speaker 1 And then we rewind it. You can't see anything.
I'm like, I told you. It could be her.
And he runs away in horror because he is saying, protect my mom, make sure my mom is okay.

Speaker 1 And I do think like every character ultimately gets like a harbinger of doom because we got to keep open all possibilities. And definitely Belinda gets a couple, like particularly the

Speaker 1 jostling of the offering.

Speaker 1 That made me really nervous. That was like, you're, you, this.

Speaker 1 But I was thinking she was more safe than others because she was like participating in an offering ceremony more than like, say, Rick, who declined even the sort of like floral arrangement.

Speaker 1 But then like the jostling and the mood, the cat, like the sound changed, then we got to careful. And that made me nervous.
But there's no way you can tell who's in the water. I think you can't tell.

Speaker 1 tell you can't and the other thing is i won my argument with my wife and i'm positive you can't how'd that feel good it was great i was like and then i get to go i told you it wasn't belinda

Speaker 1 and that was it it was great that does feel great we also don't know just from the opening because like it's like okay what does it mean that we're starting with zion right and i think ultimately the answer is we can't well that's how white load starts no but like it starts with the hint of something bad happening and then we go backwards but in season one we open with shane at the airport and he is the killer like he is directly connected to the crime.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But in season two, we open with Daphne.
Yeah. Well, what I like.
Who has nothing to do ultimately with what happened? No, so it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't.

Speaker 1 We can't tell anything from that. Well, what is really smart is like with Daphne and Shane, like we were new for certain, certain, a few people who were surviving.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Zaya's not even there yet. He's not even getting there until later in the week.
So everyone we're watching it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is a candidate. Yeah.
Except for, I would agree, Belinda, but we'll see. It would be.
That would be really sad.

Speaker 2 Any other omens?

Speaker 1 Um, that's it for right now. Okay, I think, I think, monkeys and poisonous fruit, and guys who are strapped with guns is what we have going for us right now.

Speaker 2 Taking one more break, coming back with uh, some highlights from the episode, then we'll go into theories.

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Speaker 2 So would you call it a lagoon? The body of water in the middle?

Speaker 1 Or like a pond? A pond? Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is another argument with my wife. She said it was a man-made lagoon.

Speaker 1 How big does it have to be for? I don't know.

Speaker 2 This is what we were arguing about. So this is what the white lotus does to you.
It's just that you have to pause the thing so you can get in another three-minute argument.

Speaker 2 We get a cigarette argument. Nice to have the SIGs in the first episode.
Goggins just blowing smoke.

Speaker 1 What a time to be.

Speaker 2 My wife was like that. She thought the family was totally right to say something.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they didn't even ask him. We're on vacation.

Speaker 2 We're on a nice vacation.

Speaker 1 They just put it out. They just asked him to move to the other side of the vote.

Speaker 2 And he was a dick. So it's immediately established he's a dick.
The plastic surgery combo.

Speaker 1 I haven't done anything. Just maintenance.
except a little you know the basics

Speaker 2 so what are the basics a little botox

Speaker 1 uh yeah i assume so so peel peel a lift yeah no one has none of them have had like buckle fat removal or anything like that so i yeah you've lost me completely i i stand in awe as always just a nip and a tuck i would say they all look great saxon explaining to lock his strategy for hitting on women i mean it's a numbers game

Speaker 1 you gotta play the numbers what i love about saxon who is objectively a very good-looking dude, is that none of the women are interested in him at all. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he's like so unfazed because he's such a cocky asshole. And that arrogance, that entitlement is

Speaker 1 so perfect. The way that Chelsea literally rolls over and gives him her back.
How do you get a drink in this place? You fucking go to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. It's true.
Listen, it just wasn't his time in episode one.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 2 The three older friends wanted to stay together. They're all older than him.
And then Chelsea already had a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 No, he will fuck one of those women.

Speaker 2 It's probably gonna be Carrie Kuhn.

Speaker 1 I would say, Leslie Babe.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, because they, we are, yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 2 You don't think the actress is in play?

Speaker 1 Maybe if she starts feeling insecure enough. Well, what if this is great? Yeah, yeah, because she's oh,

Speaker 1 I feel like whoever has sex with him

Speaker 1 is feeling deeply insecure and needs validation. Uh, that's Carrie Kuhn.

Speaker 1 Well, they want us to think that, right? Because they're positioning the other two.

Speaker 2 She's dropped by herself in her room for no reason. I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 Well, Carrie Kuhn has cried much longer and much better at other things. There was one really powerful wail.
That was heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 Like that moment where she looked down at them and they're still there and they're talking and they're chatting. And this like.

Speaker 1 I really loved this. Maybe you're right.
I mean, I am inclined to say the ratliffs are my favorite, but there was a strength and an impact in that friend group that was really powerful. Like

Speaker 1 you're there and you have to keep saying out loud these fake

Speaker 1 we're the best friends in the world we've known each other for so long

Speaker 1 and so happy to be

Speaker 1 yeah no i think i think the rat lifts made like the biggest best impression but in terms of like the long game we've got our eye on goggins because we he's our guy and we love him always and yeah the the three big rat lifts have the most plot shit that can go a variety of directions i think the fancy cougars have a specific dynamic that i can't wait to see play out here's something that Mike White does perfectly on these shows is like the worst person you've met makes a good point.

Speaker 1 And when Piper's dad is like,

Speaker 1 Pipe, you came all this way, he didn't even set up the interview. I was like, No, he's right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's good point. I was really with Timothy Ratliff in that moment, and he seems so genuinely disappointed.

Speaker 1 And clearly, these parents have given their kids everything, and it's like you couldn't just do this one thing. Though I would have been, I for sure would have been Piper in that situation.

Speaker 1 Like, I'll hurry here. I'll be going.

Speaker 1 I thought the worst person in the world makes the best point was going to be when Saxon talked about how horny plane rides make them.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of hot women away from home, no one to answer to, acting all anonymous.

Speaker 1 When you say that, when you disembark from a plane ride you never take because you never go on planes, do you also grab your crotch aggressively while you're talking about it? Very natural.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the getting out of the pool and just kind of like the way that he sort of, just the full like laundry laundry forgiveness.

Speaker 1 That was great. Very natural.

Speaker 2 And you say to the little brother, too, like, no, you're a good looking kid, man.

Speaker 1 You gotta have some pumps. Yeah, you're smart, good-looking.
Locky.

Speaker 1 And then at dinner, poor Locky, the dad is like,

Speaker 1 you know, checked out the spa treatments.

Speaker 1 They have one for posture. Posture.
That one hit me really hard. I was like straightening up when he was talking about it.
It's so upsetting.

Speaker 1 Also, I just want to say really quickly, Patrick Schwarzenegger, obviously we need like a clear Nepo baby, but Sam Navola, who plays Locky, is a stealth Nepo baby.

Speaker 1 He's Emily Mortimer and Alessandro Navola's kid. And Emily Mortimer is also a Nepo baby because her dad's a famous.
Anyway, just, I love it. There's nothing wrong with being a Nepo baby.
I love it.

Speaker 1 I just love it. Can I sound like I'm so glad you brought this up?

Speaker 2 I'm going to have a defense of Nepo babies. No, no.
No, no, just in acting. No, no.

Speaker 1 Some of them are talented. Just blanket.

Speaker 2 Nepo babies actually make sense in like acting and singing because you're half of your two parents.

Speaker 2 And if one of your two parents was like super artistic and great singer or great actor or whatever, it would make sense to me that the DNA would then trickle down to the next kid.

Speaker 2 And it's like beyond just, oh, they got an opportunity because of whatever.

Speaker 2 Patrick Schwarzenegger is half Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he carries himself with like a swagger and a charisma that

Speaker 2 makes sense when you think like his dad is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I think on the physicality front for sure, but I just think that like talent doesn't emerge

Speaker 1 clearly along genetic lines. But and I don't think like if someone but I think it might help in some cases.
I don't think if someone has a famous parent, they obviously had a hand up.

Speaker 1 But like, I don't think that should disqualify them from being admired for their talent. I just, you know, there's like a slight asterisk on their name.

Speaker 2 Do you know? There's been some people who had whatever, famous dad, famous mom,

Speaker 2 that they're just good at acting.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 It's like, that just is what it is. This isn't like, oh, they just got it because this anyway.
I just want to say that because I think, I think he's good.

Speaker 1 Patrick, yeah. I think they're both good.

Speaker 2 I think he's better than Jake Lacey was. And I kind of like Jake Lacey in that season, but I think he's doing a better job.

Speaker 1 There's more going on with him. I think it's too early to tell on that front, but I think that, like, I don't think being a Schwarzenegger disqualifies you from being good at what you do.

Speaker 1 It's just something that we're all constantly thinking about.

Speaker 2 But I thought when I heard he was going to be an actor, I'm like, oh, give him a fucking break. Like, of course, like, he's going to do this and people will hire him.
But I actually think he's good.

Speaker 1 Been waiting for you to.

Speaker 1 I've just been sitting here for just waiting for you to take a cruel shot at Jackson Holiday while we're talking about Nevo babies.

Speaker 1 I've just been like recoiling in fear for the last 24 minutes, but I avoided it.

Speaker 2 I did not do that.

Speaker 1 Wall Street Journal. Yep.

Speaker 2 Chasing down Ratliff.

Speaker 2 What do we think they're chasing down? We did not discuss this yet.

Speaker 1 Oh, the fund. Yeah.
A fund of what? A fund of what? But what's the fun? I don't know, but isn't it like this? Isn't this Ultimate Brunei? Shokel. Yes.
Brunei.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't do anything.

Speaker 1 2018.

Speaker 2 I think it's like a housing thing. Is it like a Bitcoin thing?

Speaker 1 Like, where are we going?

Speaker 1 Like an investment fund that was like shysty in some way. Oil money, like laundering money.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 money laundering. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But we don't know. So that's going to be a thing we've found.

Speaker 1 Can I just say that there's a phone number for Bart Nixon in the Wall Street Journal, and I did call it, and it is the federal labor relations number in Washington, D.C.? Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you call 771-444-5801, that's the federal relationship. That's all stuff.
That's me doing my homework. I love it.
I need, I need our guy, Jason Isaacs.

Speaker 1 I need Timothy Radliff to be smarter than this. He, first of all, you can't take a call from a reporter without knowing what the call's about.
Insane. Irresponsible.
He's supposed to be a hot shot.

Speaker 1 Like, that's.

Speaker 2 He's funneling that to somebody underneath him. Right.

Speaker 1 There's like some, what is this about? Okay. Later when he says, later when he says, send me your question.
Send me your question via email. That's where we should have started.
Yes.

Speaker 1 He calls

Speaker 1 Ken Wynn.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 he calls him the guy who's like, I haven't talked to him in years. Canny?

Speaker 1 Canny call me back? And he left him a voicemail? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What? Now, on the theory corner front, do we think Rick hears any of this and is going to be able to use it? Do you know? Because he's there. Gay talk.

Speaker 1 Gay talk heard it.

Speaker 2 I don't think Rick heard it. He was too busy sucking down that barbara light, really enjoying it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 we think Goggins wants to murder the hotel lady's husband or have some sort of showdown with him, but we don't totally know what it is.

Speaker 2 She wants some sort of something where there's anger behind it, but we don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 There's always someone who's

Speaker 1 like desperate on one of these trips, like needs money, needs something, and is like kind of pretending not to be. He's just doing the worst job of any of these characters to pretend like he's not.

Speaker 2 Money or revenge. But my question is, would the White Lotus

Speaker 2 know who he is?

Speaker 2 Do they check the backgrounds of of the people coming? Because there's not a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Oh, they don't even check for murder. Right.

Speaker 1 Or poison fruit. You know what's interesting about that? That's a good question because he, Chelsea says, like,

Speaker 1 you just woke up. We were supposed to go back to Bali.
You just woke up one day. You wanted to come here.
Like, I wanted to go to Australia. And what does he say? He says, I can't go to Australia.

Speaker 1 And she's like, would you be arrested? So, like, that does imply that he has an actual

Speaker 1 potentially Google like criminal history or something, but I don't know. He, you know, was taking a shit, Googling pictures of his maybe dad.
So he's really working through it. Maybe he,

Speaker 1 like some other famous people, took a pet that he did not register to Australia and he's not allowed back.

Speaker 2 And then Chelsea talking to the lady at the bar

Speaker 2 who said she'd been with our guy, Greg.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 I feel like there's a really interesting recasting there because, so Charlotte LeBon is the actress who's playing that woman, Chloe. She's Quebecois.

Speaker 1 Originally was a Thai actress that they recast with like a Quebecois actress. And like, I don't have no, I don't know, I just think that's interesting.

Speaker 1 Like, in a show where you have, like, as White Lottus always does, there's like the locals and the non-locals.

Speaker 1 What does it mean that they took this character who was played by a Thai actress and decided to make her,

Speaker 1 you know, French or French-Canadian or something like that?

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 2 I have no idea. And then the other thing is the two questions left: are why did carrie koon start crying

Speaker 2 was it just she's at a tough point in her life is she hiding something does she hate these two people

Speaker 2 is she going to reveal something to them that she didn't have the balls to reveal yet with yeah

Speaker 1 i think it's chardonnay plus all the microaggressions i think it's sitting around with two women who are like you're beautiful no you're beautiful no you're beautiful oh and you're also oh yeah you're here like you're here you're also here and then last but not least the uh the brothers and Locky checking out his brother.

Speaker 2 Where the hell is that going?

Speaker 1 Was it like sexual or was it? It was weird. It was weird.

Speaker 1 I'm just unclear if it's sexual or if it's it like he has the kind of body that I would like to have because I'm younger and scrawny. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 There was a curiosity to the look that seemed intentional.

Speaker 1 I don't disagree with you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm just thinking how they wrote it in the script, how they were saying.

Speaker 1 It almost seems like maybe a combo, right? It's like, oh, I'm studying. Like he literally, my older brothers brother's told me, like, he's going to teach me.
He's going to teach me how to get laid.

Speaker 1 He's going to teach me how to get buff. He's going to teach me how to play the numbers game.
I'm watching him with interest. I'm learning.

Speaker 1 And then, like, oh, wait, am I like having a response to what I'm seeing here?

Speaker 1 But again, they're just doing the full target area. Is he gay for his kids? Is there a brother? Does he just

Speaker 2 threesome in play, potentially, with the two of them and one other person that could go sideways?

Speaker 1 Three of the children.

Speaker 2 So that was my last question before we get to predictions. No

Speaker 2 sex in the first episode. But White Lotus always likes to throw in some sex.

Speaker 1 Promise of Tantric later, hopefully. Yeah.
Rick seemed very uninterested in the sex, which was, which was sad for Chelsea.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Huh. We're holding out hope that the Russian

Speaker 1 Valentin will come through.

Speaker 1 It's a numbers game. Saxon has to score eventually, right?

Speaker 1 One of the three ladies are hooking up with somebody. Yeah.
I think they will all have sex with somebody at some point. Oh, I hope so.
I love that for them.

Speaker 2 Saxon's definitely having sex with somebody.

Speaker 1 But all of the women. And I think this is like a delicate, I think Mike White in White Lotus does this consistently well, but it is delicate to like take the three

Speaker 1 mature women who are friends.

Speaker 1 And like, you don't necessarily want fighting over a dude to be the thing that unravels them, but also that is actually, it does feel like a thing that totally could happen.

Speaker 1 And so if that feels to me like very in play, are they going to be interested in the same person?

Speaker 1 Is one of them going to pursue something with whether it's Saxon or Valentin or somebody else at the at the resort? And then

Speaker 1 another person is like, no, I'm, that's mine.

Speaker 2 Well, there's also, we have the possibility of somebody new joining for a second, third, fourth episode.

Speaker 1 I mean, Zion's going to show up.

Speaker 2 The last couple episodes, or the last couple seasons, there's been people that have come in. Yes.

Speaker 1 Tom Hollander showing up and changing the game too. So yeah, I think who could join

Speaker 1 and Zion should not be counted off the list. No, I don't know when he's getting that.
And also, like, he had that mysterious line about like he had been, you know, going through something, right?

Speaker 1 Like, there were, there was obviously the talk of the finals, but then he also said, like, just finishing finals and

Speaker 1 some other stuff. So, what is Zion looking for? What does he need? Also, in a creepy way, the question of Piper's virginity has come up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is this like a sexual, is this like a stealing beauty, sexual awakening journey for her?

Speaker 1 She's wearing this, like, I'm sure hideously expensive, but like prairie dress when she goes to the temple, which is like they desexualized her in the first episode.

Speaker 1 It's such like a weird thing to wear

Speaker 1 in Thailand, which looks hot. Interesting.
Cause like, I think, so that feels totally in play.

Speaker 1 But then I thought, I was really struck by the moment where her mom, where the parents were talking, like, she couldn't have like written her thesis about her own religion.

Speaker 1 Like, they don't know anything about their own kids. And so I don't believe that Saxon is right.
Well, that's a questionable. Yeah, he's right.

Speaker 1 Like, she could have a full, and the fact that he's so judgmental about it when he's talking to Locky, like not just she's not having sex as far as he's concerned, but like she's depriving herself.

Speaker 1 Because of her, her interest in Buddhism, she has no desire and no passion. I had a moment.

Speaker 1 There's no way this is the case because the people who look the way that Prasha Schwarzenegger, but like, I was like, what if he's a virgin? What if he's projecting?

Speaker 1 There's no way that he has gotten this far in his life without finding someone or paying someone, but like,

Speaker 1 what if he's projecting?

Speaker 2 Are you talking about Saxon?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, I think Lockhey's a virgin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. Probably.
Yeah. But

Speaker 2 I think Saxton's having sex in episode two.

Speaker 2 I would put my chips on the table.

Speaker 1 I like that as a quiet theory. I think he knows.

Speaker 2 He's a quiet theory, but no way. He's a good idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah. At Duke, his number, just in his four years at Duke, is like dozens.

Speaker 1 But he's not. He's so like.
I think he's probably very inadequate. Sex.
Yeah. I think he's very good at anything that.

Speaker 2 Duke or UNC is Mike White trying to tell us something that does he have a side in this that hasn't been revealed yet?

Speaker 1 Like, is it possible he's like a big Leitner fan in the 90s?

Speaker 1 When Parker Posey whispers,

Speaker 1 who do you think her favorite player is? She seems like maybe like a Tyler Hans. Parker Posey, yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know what he was trying to do with that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Did the accent,

Speaker 2 which accent was worse out of the two?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's Jason Isaacs, who is a British man, agreeing a southern accent. I thought on repeat viewing.

Speaker 2 I thought actually Posey was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. I don't know what state she's from.

Speaker 2 Is she from Carolina where?

Speaker 1 I will wait for the true Southerners to wait. I am very curious, but I feel like they're both

Speaker 1 both were wild.

Speaker 1 Did you guys watch Brotherhood when Jason Isaacs, the former show that Jason Isaacs and Jason Clark did together, where they have...

Speaker 1 Justin Sales will appreciate this. I'm sure he's seen it because it's a crime show set in Providence, Rhode Island.

Speaker 1 And so nothing will really match.

Speaker 2 This is a star show, right?

Speaker 1 Nothing will match that. I want to, I

Speaker 1 I'm sure Isaac's just doing like a Rhode Island accent.

Speaker 1 That's the hardest accent to do.

Speaker 1 So I do think the fact that I watched and really liked that show just means I'm immune to like the impact of him doing a slightly misguided accent.

Speaker 2 The Rhode Island accent's like driving a stick.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 It's like you really have to know how to do it.

Speaker 1 Like, it doesn't bother me. I think they're both great.
But like

Speaker 1 in a show where all I want is for Walton Goggins to have a Southern accent, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 All right, it's the most disappointing thing of the episode for you.

Speaker 1 Oh, I guess a lack lack of a draw on Walton Goggins.

Speaker 2 I didn't, I felt like it was a waste of Goggins in the first episode. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was my best.

Speaker 2 Not a waste, but like a wait and see a waste of him for what I was, what I had in my head. It's like, oh my God, he's going to be.
And then it was like, all right, I've seen this character before.

Speaker 2 So I'm interested to see how they flip.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I want to see how that goes.

Speaker 1 Seven more episodes, though. This is the longest season yet.
So we've got time. Disappointment?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 that Schwarzenegger didn't walk towards yeah, that the cutoff, the vanity of the sink obscured. Like, you know, I have some questions about what we're working with down there.

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't know if I had like one specific disappointing thing.

Speaker 1 I guess, like, overall, I would say the first episode of White Lotus season is never my favorite episode of the White Lotus season.

Speaker 1 And so, there's always just like there are so many, the fact that it's a fun ensemble cast, and that's part of that's the feature, like, is a little bit, it's the hurdle's high in the first episode because you have so many dynamics to establish.

Speaker 1 So there's always just that like acclamation period. Um

Speaker 2 can I give you my

Speaker 2 my biggest disappointment was Goggins. The thing I want the most, yeah.

Speaker 2 Just for a random, not like big ass thing.

Speaker 2 Thing I want the most is some episode where she's screening the dailies from like her new movie or her TV show and Mike Wake gets do like some sort of fake show.

Speaker 1 Do a fake show.

Speaker 2 She's like doing some CBS pilot or she's got some sequel to some movie and they have fun with that somehow.

Speaker 1 I'm hoping they do that. What sort of show do you think she's in?

Speaker 2 Is she a movie actress or a TV actress?

Speaker 1 Yeah. TV actress.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so it's like her new CBS show with Ted Danson.

Speaker 1 She's the dominant.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 they're thrown in a house together.

Speaker 1 Is she on a show?

Speaker 1 Is she on a show that would be covered on this podcast?

Speaker 1 No. No, she's on The Walking Dead.

Speaker 2 Oh, she's on like a zombie show.

Speaker 1 People know her. Or like a Last People Live show.
Yeah, she's famous. She's famous.
She's legitimately famous.

Speaker 2 So she's in IP. So what's that?

Speaker 1 IP of some kind. Interesting something big that people are watching.
Something a house of R would cover.

Speaker 2 So like a Star Wars type show?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 she's in season four of The Mandalorian. No, I'm sticking with Walking Ted.

Speaker 1 She plays Maggie on the Walking Ted. She's staring in the Star Wars show, Baca.

Speaker 2 I just made that up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Would that be a show? Could be.
She's dropping. She's Baca's relatives.
Yeah. Baca.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's cleaner.
Okay.

Speaker 2 What's your Michelle moynahan relationship monahan love kiss kiss bang bang i mean she's really strong like 20 plus year career yeah yeah she's been in some big ass movies she's played a lot of different

Speaker 2 types of people yeah i'm never sad to see her yeah like really good career but i would i wouldn't call her an a plus lister either no no no but like

Speaker 1 never unwelcome and what i love about this like the way they're i love that they pick of those three women that they picked Michelle Monaghan because like she was always giving sort of girl next door.

Speaker 1 I mean, she's staggeringly beautiful, but she's not sort of like

Speaker 1 ice queen in a tower, unattainably beautiful. She's like, yeah, your friend from high school who was like, who made it, and now plays Maggie on the Walking Dead.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, it's just sort of like,

Speaker 1 I just think that's a really interesting choice for that role.

Speaker 2 All right, predictions. Let's go.
What do you got? Prediction. We'll do season two, episode two prediction, and then big picture, who the death is.

Speaker 2 Okay. We'll do this at the end of every episode.
Okay. So if you reach out to me, Joe's horror.

Speaker 1 No, I love predictions.

Speaker 1 What's going to happen in season in episode two?

Speaker 2 Episode two, thing you're looking out for.

Speaker 1 To Mal's point, I'm really curious if we get a

Speaker 1 how much are they doing a Belinda-Greg collision? Like, how much are we considering this a continuation of the earlier story? Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do you got, Mal?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think episode two feels like a bunch of people need to see each other or try to see each other. Rick has to actively try to go pursue Jim.
Like, does that mean he leaves the resort?

Speaker 1 Does he try to find out what his schedule is? Whatever he might be. I think it's.
We never leave the resort. I know.
I know. I just

Speaker 1 had one plate of pasta and clams with Tanya.

Speaker 1 But we did go on the wonderful ride with Tanya. Tanya, can't breathe.

Speaker 1 I think that Belinda has to see Greg soon. That feels

Speaker 1 imperative.

Speaker 1 Is there sex in episode two?

Speaker 1 No sex in episode two, I don't think. But I think by episode one and three, we get sex.
100% of sex in episode two.

Speaker 2 There's some sort of sex that it might just be somebody by themselves.

Speaker 1 Okay. We already got that.

Speaker 1 No, no, we didn't get that. We totally though.
We didn't totally get that. I know.
We didn't totally get that. Lucky didn't get to watch.

Speaker 1 Guys looking at porn on their iPads or computers in White Lotus, one of the great traditions. As you know, my favorite.

Speaker 1 Unlike soundproof bathroom how am i going to jerk off this week all three

Speaker 1 of the bathroom ethan jerking off after his run in season two uh yeah and harper coming in and him somersaulting off the bed and standing up and like dude what's up with the boner fair question

Speaker 1 i was jerking off i love you love

Speaker 1 ethan

Speaker 1 fair question how about you what's your big what's your big prediction

Speaker 2 i think saxon has to get involved with somebody in the hotel or at least set his sights on somebody. And

Speaker 2 my guess, much to both of your horror, is we didn't see him interact with Mookie. No.

Speaker 1 Leave her out of this.

Speaker 2 That would be my episode two, where it's like, no, no. And maybe she likes him.

Speaker 1 You're like, no, don't like this guy. Well, we're going to be head that way.
This is what White Lotus always is. I'm always like, no.
And then it happens. We do.
There's like the no relationship.

Speaker 1 There's going to be, we know there's going to be the musical performance in episode two, right? Because it's like, she's going to be singing tomorrow night, the owner. Right.

Speaker 1 So, presumably, I mean, they're always all dining at the hotels typically, but presumably everyone will be there. It will be a chance for the mingling between the different character groups.

Speaker 1 And presumably, because it's the owner performing, all of the people who are going to be doing it.

Speaker 2 Aren't you glad we didn't watch episode two when we did this? Really screwed me up the last time.

Speaker 1 So, it's eight episodes. Yeah.
Are we doing? We're doing roughly one episode per day because it's one week.

Speaker 1 The eight days kind of fucks up the math of the week, but they've been working in the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 It's been six, seven, and now eight. Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, so we're definitely getting more characters.

Speaker 1 But it's only one week. So.

Speaker 2 I know, but people check in the hotel. We're definitely getting a couple more people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so. Could be Mal in episode five.

Speaker 2 Just checking in.

Speaker 1 I'd love to joke.

Speaker 2 Her first vacation in 12 years.

Speaker 1 We don't really. I would probably be going with someone else.

Speaker 1 One of her friends from the fourth grade. Yeah.
I'd be going with an old friend. I was your feet.
You'd be going. I was your hands.
You'd be going with your Syracuse book club.

Speaker 1 I am going on a trip with them literally next week. We're going for a little weekend getaway to Charleston.
Why not stay on

Speaker 1 Charleston?

Speaker 1 I don't know if we can get there and back in two and a half days, but I'll look into it. I'll look into it.

Speaker 2 Do you think Claire Danes,

Speaker 2 did she definitely steal the thing in Broke Down Palace?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Okay.

Speaker 2 They never really 100% made it clear.

Speaker 1 How many, who, what was the over-under on Broke Down Palace references before this podcast?

Speaker 2 What are our big Thailand pop culture?

Speaker 1 No, but I like, I am deeply uncomfortable. That's an iconic Thailand movie.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm deeply unsurprising. This is, that's a real bill-coated movie, I think, is Broke Down Palace.

Speaker 2 Well, because I, first of all, it was on a lot in the late 90s, early 2000s, but I always felt like I missed a scene. And it turns out after you watched it four times, you didn't.

Speaker 1 You didn't.

Speaker 2 You didn't miss a scene.

Speaker 1 On the sex and shipping front? Yeah. Are we shipping Belinda and

Speaker 1 Panchai?

Speaker 1 100%. Absolutely, right? They had real energy and chemistry between them right away.
And he was very sweet and very welcoming. And she's like on this

Speaker 1 exchange program where she gets to go to a different lotus and study and learn. She's there for multiple months.

Speaker 1 Some Thailand movies. Okay.
You were right, the impossible in the Naomi Watts movie. Oh, okay.
There you go. See? 100%.

Speaker 1 A Bridget Jones sequel, because they're basically doing a Broke Down Palace thing with Bridget Jones. Which

Speaker 1 sequel was in? Edge of Reason. She goes to jail.
She has a Wonder Bra.

Speaker 2 Wasn't Hangover 3 a Thailand movie? Hangover 3.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Definitely.

Speaker 1 uh no part two part two is thailand um on bok obviously but that's its own thing i'm looking for american movies set in thailand not a lot yeah not a lot there's a broke broke down palace too oh no no it's just broke down palace okay great sorry the poster has something that looks like roman neurals underneath and i got really excited

Speaker 1 um and then the beach of course the beach oh yeah sure yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh the beach yeah that is uh one of my wife's favorite bad movies classic yeah really good one good leo stuff Great.

Speaker 2 That's when Leo really established who he was. He's like, what's your big movie after Titanic? He's like, you know what? I want to go somewhere.
I can bring my friends.

Speaker 1 I'm going to break up Danny Boyle and Ewan McGregor, and it's going to last a long time.

Speaker 2 All right, last predictions before we go.

Speaker 1 Who's dead? No, just, yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, who's dead at the end? Who's dead at the end? I think we have to do this at the end of every episode.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's right.
I think it should be someone.

Speaker 1 It's not going to be someone I want to die, is usually the case. It's usually someone like,

Speaker 1 because like Armon and Tanya, like, right, we

Speaker 1 like them. They weren't like good people necessarily, but we did like them.
We weren't like rude for them to die or anything like that. Right.

Speaker 1 It's like, if, if, if, if Rick is the one behind the crime, behind whatever unfolds, if he's the driver of it, then Chelsea is the one who ends up dead in that scenario, not Rick or not Jim. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If Tim, if Timothy Ratliff is seeking to

Speaker 1 evade capture or detection or whatever, Saxon's efforts to help his father, the driver, then Locky or Piper end up dead. Like, that's the way.

Speaker 2 Well, by white Lotus rules, it has to be somebody from the first episode that's dead in the last episode.

Speaker 1 Unless he switches the formula. And so

Speaker 1 Scott Glenn is fine. Right.

Speaker 1 But we do see him on a Google image search result. Does that count?

Speaker 2 I think it's Chelsea.

Speaker 1 You think Chelsea's going to die?

Speaker 2 I think she's the body floating in the water.

Speaker 2 I'm going.

Speaker 2 Because she tipped it off with the thing she said. That raised

Speaker 2 my flag.

Speaker 1 I'm going with they hope that that's a wink to us more than it is a heartbreak. I think it's Victoria Ratliff.
Yeah. Death by Monkey.
Victoria Ratliff.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Parker Posey, Death by Monkey.
Still jet lagged on day seven.

Speaker 1 Flazzle-Pam's out. He falls asleep in the pad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. That's it.
Lorazepam's to the gills. Death by Monkey.
The hope is that it's Greg. Like the hope is that Greg ends up paying.
It's never.

Speaker 1 But we can't

Speaker 1 receive. Yeah, we can't can't receive that kind of gift.

Speaker 1 He'll get away again. Find another woman.

Speaker 2 We'll find out. You can watch this on the Prestige TV YouTube channel, which is called Ringer TV.

Speaker 2 We can find a bunch of our good stuff. You can watch this on Spotify every week as well.

Speaker 2 Thanks to all the people behind the scenes who helped us produce this one because we have a lot of people behind the glass screen over there.

Speaker 2 We will see you. Every Sunday night.

Speaker 2 Right after the next episode. We put the episode up.
We tape it ahead of time. It's up.
And then join on Wednesdays. Rob and I.
With our guy Mahoney. Yeah.
Busy time for Mahoney, NBA season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Severance. Severance.
A lot going on. UNC versus.

Speaker 2 I still haven't watched Severance.

Speaker 1 I think. Oh, you're missing out, man.
You would really like it right now.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 A lot of people are.

Speaker 2 I know I'm going to like it. I just, I'm holding.
I'm playing hard to get. Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm like Michelle Monaghan with the Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 Playing a little hard to get. It's going to happen.
Thank you. All right.
Thanks, guys.