You’ll Never Be Able To Borrow Your Way out of Debt

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Speaker 1 I'm John Deloney, joined by my good friend Jade Warshaw, and we are live. Taking your calls at 888-825-5225.
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Speaker 1 Call in from all over planet Earth, and we will do the best we can to get to your calls and answer your questions on just about anything. Let's go out to Chicago, Illinois, and talk to Jake.

Speaker 1 What's up, Jake? How are we doing, brother?

Speaker 3 Hey, guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got you, man. What's up?

Speaker 3 Awesome. Thank you so much.
God bless you both. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Just calling for a relationship question.

Speaker 3 I've got a girlfriend now, been dating just for over a month. And she comes from out of the country, actually.

Speaker 3 But she's been in the U.S. for a couple of years now.
And she's trying to get rid of her debt. She's on the baby steps doing every dollar.

Speaker 3 But she tells me she's being overwhelmed because she's trying to also,

Speaker 3 or her family overseas. is asking for money.
Unfortunately, they grew up

Speaker 3 kind of in poverty, so they're struggling. And I'm just trying to get relationship advice from you guys on how to handle that on the sideline and be supportive and give advice.

Speaker 2 Where's she from?

Speaker 3 I just want to say, you know, South American.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 1 Just a little bit of a message. So that's a very, very, very, very, very common thing.

Speaker 1 Millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars are sent back home when one or two or five or six family members make it to the U.S.

Speaker 1 And so being in this new relationship for a month, month,

Speaker 1 I would sit with her and keep my mouth shut. I know that's right.
And I would say, Man, I know that's really hard.

Speaker 1 I know that's tough. I know you're in a pickle.
I know, if I want you to sit and hear her, and unless she specifically says, Do you have advice for me on how I can get out of this situation?

Speaker 1 Which I doubt that question will actually come. I want you just to be present with her because she's probably pretty sharp and she's probably pretty smart.

Speaker 1 And she probably needs you to be near her and needs your

Speaker 1 emotional support more than she needs your, your, facts. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 Yep. Yeah, I gotcha.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 Jay, do you have anything there? I mean, I guess this kind of is what it is, man. Y'all been together a month.
It's different. You were married five years or something like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 I think the cultural difference changes the rules slightly because that is true, like depending on what your background is from, or even if you have family that are still there, there's a lot of cultural differences where, yeah, it is kind of like a family household.

Speaker 2 And it's like, listen, everybody contributes and she's probably still bringing some of that mindset here even though she now lives in the states and to john's point i 100 agree i wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole and i would let her do her thing for now and as the relationship progresses you know

Speaker 2 maybe there's a time where you guys talk about it when you're like engaged and that sort of thing but right now

Speaker 1 let her do her thing. And Jake, this is a question that took me about 20 years of being married before I realized it would have been smart for me to ask.
And that

Speaker 1 do you want me to give you a solution here or do you want me just to listen and be with you?

Speaker 1 So if you ever feel like you're getting trapped or you feel like she's asking you veiled advice questions, whatever, just say,

Speaker 1 hey, do you want me just to sit with you or do you actually want me to tell you what I think you should do next? And give her an option on

Speaker 1 how you should proceed. Does that sound good?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right, brother.
Well, thanks for the call, man. Best of luck to you.
Let's go out to George in Tampa. What's up, George?

Speaker 3 Hey, guys, how's it going?

Speaker 1 We are rocking on to the break of dawn, brother. What's up?

Speaker 3 Well, hey, I just have

Speaker 3 some death stuff going on. We just bought a house, and we're thinking about moving back to Texas, basically.
And the house we bought for $7.40,000, currently owed $690 on it.

Speaker 3 We have $150K as due to loans and $25K on car as well. Got some work stuff going on, so just trying to figure out how to get to the house.

Speaker 2 What's the house worth and how you sold it?

Speaker 3 We think, I mean, we've been talking to a realtor of lately, at least we're hoping to at least get $7.40 up to anywhere up to set.

Speaker 3 She wants to put it on for $7.99, but in this market, that's what we're kind of afraid of.

Speaker 2 So you think you'd only break even?

Speaker 3 Worst case, yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. You'd break even minus fees, so you'd actually lose money, right?

Speaker 3 Exactly. Yeah.
So, I mean, plus the money we, I mean, most of the money we've been putting into his interest. So we just, you know, we only put 5% down originally.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why are you moving so quickly?

Speaker 3 Uh, we're kind of well, two things. You know, we wanted to get around family.
We have a one-year-old, so we want to get around family, and then we're trying to figure out what to do next.

Speaker 3 We like, we actually live in Sarasota, but we kind of bored with it already.

Speaker 3 We didn't know that when we first got here, kids kind of changed things and kind of just went into life, started buying stuff. And

Speaker 1 yeah, you bought a house for three-quarters of a million dollars.

Speaker 3 Well, I was making, I mean, I was another thing that's happened. I, I was making a quarter million and my wife was making 60.

Speaker 3 And then it didn't seem like that crazy thing at a time, which now I'm thinking about it, it was crazy.

Speaker 3 And then my job maybe did a comp plan change and then the markets kind of shifted in my field, which is, you know, I'm probably making still good money, like 160, 180.

Speaker 3 But I'm just, we've been talking about like maybe resetting, going back to renting for a bit, stacking accounts again, paying off the student loans and kind of getting back on track.

Speaker 2 Can you tell me more about the other debt?

Speaker 3 Well, we have student loans. We went to private education.
How much?

Speaker 3 Well, $151,000 left.

Speaker 2 Okay. Anything else?

Speaker 3 Just a car payment, which I'm still something. It's $25,000 left on it.

Speaker 2 $25K. Okay.
And there's nothing else, no credit cards?

Speaker 3 Nothing. Yeah.
I have money in the account. We have about

Speaker 3 37K

Speaker 3 in the accounts right now. And then I got a...
I got the retirement accounts too. Nothing crazy.
I got like 50 grand in the retirement. And then that's kind of weird.
I know I need to sell it.

Speaker 3 My Coinbase account has 15K.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.
So here's the thing. The good news

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 you've got some liquid cash sitting around here. You're going to liquidate the Coinbase.

Speaker 2 I would, if I were in your shoes to make this right side up. The good news is you can turn around and pay off your card a day.
Today.

Speaker 2 And then you can take the other 12,000, put it with the 15,000 and take that 27 and put it towards the student loans. And now you're back in a situation.

Speaker 2 You got $125,000 of debt, and that's a lot more manageable knowing what you guys' income potential is.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Right?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I don't think that the solution to your situation is necessarily selling the house unless you can no longer afford it.

Speaker 3 That's the, we can, but it's coming to the point where it's like, is it becoming more worth it in a way? Because we really. want to move and that's another factor that's kind of playing into us.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 2 So you don't love the house. That is a big factor.
If you don't love the house,

Speaker 2 I don't want you to move at a loss if you don't like the house. I'd like to wait till you got right side up and just be patient.

Speaker 2 What percentage of your income is the house

Speaker 2 after

Speaker 2 of your take-home pay?

Speaker 3 Take-home pay? I mean, that's a great question. I don't know that answer, to be honest with you, on the top of my head.
I should.

Speaker 2 That's okay. Let's figure it out.
Let's think about it. So, what are you guys taking home right now?

Speaker 3 Taking home, I get paid bi-weekly, and right now I'm getting paid around five grand bi-weekly. And then she is

Speaker 3 probably pulling, yeah, she's pulling in like you know, 2K on her checks right now. Okay, so we're working on commissions, so it varies slightly, but usually around 12.

Speaker 1 She's pulling 2K a week or 2K a month?

Speaker 3 2K a week. 2K every she's semi-monthly, so two payrolls a month.

Speaker 2 Okay, so 14,000. That's all you need to look at.
Figure out what 25% of that is. And then you're going to see, okay, can we actually afford this? If you can't, that's a good indicator.

Speaker 2 It shouldn't be any more than $3,500 a month. So that's what you're looking at.
I would not sell the house simply to pay off this debt. If you hate the house and you're right side up, be my guest.

Speaker 2 But I don't think it's the solution that you need to get your behavior on point.

Speaker 1 There you go. And I will say, one time I took a check to closing to get out and it changed my life.
So make the right call.

Speaker 2 We'll be right back.

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Let's go back to Chicago and talk to Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. What's up, Mike? How are we doing?

Speaker 3 Hey, real well, guys. And great show.
Appreciate you taking my call.

Speaker 3 Question for you. So

Speaker 3 I have a pretty gifted athlete in the family, and she has the opportunity to play volleyball at the Division I level.

Speaker 3 And the question really is, she's had offers to play at Ivy League schools pretty much

Speaker 3 throughout the East Coast. But do we take the route and go to Division I that's not Ivy?

Speaker 3 Fortunately, I'm in a position where I could afford to send her to an Ivy League college, but

Speaker 3 do we go and send her somewhere and go for free?

Speaker 3 Or is there a lot of value? Or is there value in her pursuing that Ivy education?

Speaker 2 Would she play, would she just walk on to the Ivy League team? Or is she, does she have an opportunity? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, great question.

Speaker 3 No, they know she would be you know a big big member on the team, but it really comes down to I'm in business, I'm a business guy, so is there value in her playing at one of the Ivies and spending, you know, as a family, probably a half a million dollars for that four-year education?

Speaker 2 Where'd you get that number?

Speaker 2 Where'd you get half a million dollars?

Speaker 3 I know. Tell me about it.

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, my world is universities, and that that seems like a lot of

Speaker 3 100 grand a year

Speaker 3 at least. Yeah, that's what that's what admissions has told me at like, you know, a Cornell or a Brown or a Darkmouth or a Harvard.

Speaker 1 It's up to 100 grand a year.

Speaker 3 100 grand a year.

Speaker 1 Is that tuition room board, everything all in? Travel.

Speaker 3 That's all in. Yep.
You betcha.

Speaker 2 Yep. Okay.
I can tell you, let me give you my perspective. I played D1 volleyball on scholarship.

Speaker 2 I also had the, and I had that at a couple of different universities, but one of them was also offering me an academic scholarship, a presidential.

Speaker 2 And the advice that I was given is choose education first, because if for some reason, you know, I go on and I don't want to play overseas, or I go on and I decide that I don't want to keep playing volleyball, I'll keep my scholarship, right?

Speaker 2 Like I don't have to go on the team scholarship. I can go on the academic side.
And so part of this might play out in your situation as well, where it's go the route that serves what the future is.

Speaker 2 So, if education and you can afford it, if that's what you're going towards, then that's great. I don't know what her plans are for volleyball.

Speaker 2 If she's wanting to go on to be an Olympic athlete, is she wanting to go on to play overseas? If that's the case, then D1 might be the

Speaker 2 route. But if she's got these other, I mean, John, you can speak to the educational side better than I can.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mike, it's been several years, man. The last study I read said essentially this.

Speaker 2 If,

Speaker 1 and again, this is before everything blew up and there's been all the drama on all these college campuses across, before all that stuff.

Speaker 1 If your kids could get into an Ivy League school and it was not going to put your family out of business, that there was an ROI to them attending.

Speaker 1 And the ROI, weirdly, was less about the particular education and more about the people that they would be going to school with.

Speaker 1 Because those people would leave and start businesses and hire your daughter, or your daughter would start a business and hire these folks. And it's the creme de la creme, right?

Speaker 1 The other side of that is

Speaker 1 I went to a tiny little NAIA school and I did all my grads work at a gigantic D1 school and

Speaker 1 my family's doing all right. Jade's family's doing all right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I can't imagine

Speaker 1 someone with a straight face can look at you and say, pay me $400,000 over the next four years. That just seems out of whack to me.
It must have gotten just insane the last 36 or 48 months.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I have a hard time telling you to go spend half a million dollars when you have it free right in front of you. At the same time,

Speaker 1 if I could do it without hurting my family and my kid wants to go to an Ivy school, I'd probably send him.

Speaker 2 Let's get bigger numbers. What's your net worth?

Speaker 3 I don't know. Enough.
Plenty. Yeah, enough.
I'd rather not get into detail.

Speaker 2 But yeah.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Tell me what the pause is on your end.

Speaker 3 There's really not a, you know, I just think that

Speaker 3 it's not a huge pause on my end, but I do work in the field of business, and I didn't go to Ivy. And like yourself, I think I'm doing okay.
And I do know people that did go to Ivy, and

Speaker 3 they're probably not doing as well as people who, like you and I.

Speaker 2 So tell me about your kids.

Speaker 3 You know, I think she wants to probably go into medicine. That would probably be something that she wants to do.

Speaker 3 So that's why I'm more, I'm encouraging that direction for her to go to the Ivy. But the offers that she has from non-IV are very reputable schools as well.

Speaker 3 But I know how challenging it is to actually get into an IV and to have the ability to use athletics, like I've always told her, to use athletics as a vehicle to do something bigger and better in your life.

Speaker 3 And this is a prime prime example of an opportunity that's really hard to pass up. Um, but um, it's quite a bit of money, and for her, it's I would do it for her, and I would do it for all of my kids.

Speaker 3 But I just wanted to get your perspective because you talk about money and deal with scenarios often.

Speaker 1 So, I'll tell you: the doctor that saved my life,

Speaker 1 the doctor that I call regularly, and the doctor that I eat with on a regular basis

Speaker 1 went to a research,

Speaker 1 a giant research university.

Speaker 1 Sure. Yep.
And is extraordinary in medicine, is now a professor at a top-tier medical school after practicing medicine for all these years.

Speaker 1 I think the only patient that continues to nag him to death is me.

Speaker 1 It sounds like you have an extraordinary daughter who knows hard work, who's also brilliant, who's also learned hard work and work ethic from her dad and learned character from her parents.

Speaker 1 And to be honest with you, those type of students are going to, you can send her to a local community college and she's going to hit everything, every pitch that comes down the way out of the park.

Speaker 1 So I think it's,

Speaker 1 you're one of the rare families that I would actually say that let's talk about fit and let's talk about where your daughter wants to be.

Speaker 1 Like what group of young people is she going to thrive being around?

Speaker 3 I think you made a great statement earlier in the conversation about the research as to who is at these schools

Speaker 3 and sort of like next steps and what happens after graduation and the network because she can't can't play volleyball forever and you can't play athletics forever.

Speaker 3 So I think that's sort of the thing that's in the back of my wife and I's mind is like the value and sort of

Speaker 3 what will happen and who she can interact with and meet and relationships that can be formed.

Speaker 3 But I still have a little bit of reservation.

Speaker 1 Hey, you get it. I'm telling you right now,

Speaker 1 I was a dean of students at a law school, at a public law school. Some of the most brilliant, competent, amazing kids of character.
They're amazing.

Speaker 1 So you can't just lump that into these different places. I'd actually,

Speaker 1 gosh, I'm thinking out loud here, and I've got no data to back up what I'm saying, but

Speaker 1 I would almost be more tempted if there was going to be, we're going to go into some sort of AI field, some sort of research field, some side of quantitative, let's go down rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 I'd be more likely to send a kid to an IV there than in medicine. I want my kids around gritty, hardworking, let's all study, let's all figure this thing out and serve our communities.

Speaker 1 And you can find those kids anywhere.

Speaker 2 Anywhere.

Speaker 1 I don't think you're in the wrong spot.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the Ramsey Show, 888-825-5225. Let's go out to Las Vegas and talk to Luke.
Hey, Luke, what's up, brother?

Speaker 3 Hey, what's going on? How are you guys doing today?

Speaker 1 We're doing all right, good man.

Speaker 2 How can we help?

Speaker 3 So I'm about to come into a large lump sum of money. I'm not sure an exact number, but $700 to $800,000.

Speaker 3 An accident settlement.

Speaker 2 What kind of accident? And

Speaker 3 it was one two vehicle accident with me and a semi-truck

Speaker 2 interstate. Are you okay?

Speaker 3 I have two pretty serious injuries.

Speaker 3 I've had a couple surgeries already, and I'm going to need a lot more in the future.

Speaker 3 So I want to get your guys' advice on how I can properly manage this money so I don't have to worry about medical bills in the future and set up my family for success.

Speaker 1 What's the nature of your injuries? Because I know some surgeries that can cost $800,000

Speaker 1 without blinking.

Speaker 3 So, I will need at least one spinal surgery where I'll have to fuse two of my vertebrae, and then I'll need at least two full knee replacements.

Speaker 2 Oh, gosh. Jeez, man.
Are you?

Speaker 2 When will you be able to work? Will you be able to work?

Speaker 2 What's the prognosis on that?

Speaker 3 Well, the accident was actually about three years ago. Okay.

Speaker 3 I've been working for the past year and a half.

Speaker 3 Me and my wife bring home about $60,000 a year.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 we have about, I'm not sure the exact number, but we have about $20,000 in debt, most of it tied up with two vehicles and then just some credit cards.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So the $60,000 a year, is that what you've been making? Or is that like a decrease in income since the accident?

Speaker 3 It's actually an increase since my accident. I went to a small trade school and got

Speaker 3 certified in welding.

Speaker 3 I got a job that's not too hard on my injuries. And my wife is

Speaker 3 salesman or saleswoman for her family business selling pools.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, seven to eight hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money. Obviously, you can do the basic things, clear out your debt, right? You got twenty thousand dollars in debt, you pay that off.

Speaker 2 You make sure you set aside six months of expenses, right? Put that in a high-yield savings account.

Speaker 2 What's the situation with your home?

Speaker 3 Uh, we're currently renting. Um,

Speaker 3 we I spend about a third of my income on just renting. And

Speaker 3 basically all of what I make just goes to bills. And then what she makes is like food, gas, and all the other necessities.
And we're saving as much as we can with whatever's left.

Speaker 2 Okay. So then that would be the next thing in the equation is to figure out, okay,

Speaker 2 what's our dream for a home? Do we want to

Speaker 2 purchase a house anytime soon?

Speaker 2 If so, what's the price range? Do we want to put a really nice down payment down and invest the rest? Do we want to buy something modest in cash?

Speaker 2 That's the type of conversation I'd be having if I were you. If we're talking about $800,000, I probably wouldn't want to spend more than, I don't know, $500.

Speaker 1 Hold on a second. Look, I'm going to ask Jade a question on your behalf.
Is that cool?

Speaker 3 Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 So, Jade, I would, man, I'm overly conservative. I want to make sure I clear these surgeries first, I would think, right?

Speaker 2 Well, what's your insurance like?

Speaker 3 I get insurance through

Speaker 3 my job.

Speaker 3 They pay for a very actually significant portion of it.

Speaker 3 The only thing that I really need to worry about when it comes to medical is the high deductible.

Speaker 2 Yeah, out-of-pocket max. Okay, that's pretty great, man.
Yeah. I mean, that's the assumption.
What's your out-of-pocket max? Is it the same as your deductible?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's $3,500.

Speaker 2 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 Amazing. And I'd like to get to the point.
That's why I said I would not,

Speaker 2 if you're thinking about getting a house, choose a modest amount so you can still have a big chunk of this to invest.

Speaker 2 And if I were you, I'd go to ramseysolutions.com/slash smartvestor and get with a smart vestor that's going to help you invest this.

Speaker 2 And then I think that you're set up, like, this is not the type of money that I'm set for life. I never have to do anything.

Speaker 2 But if you're smart with it, it really, really, really gives you an amazing jump off. And I think at that point, you just keep doing what you've been doing.

Speaker 2 You know, you make $60,000 a year, you keep getting raises, you invest 15% every single month. You know, you set aside for your out-of-pocket max every single year, and you just keep going.

Speaker 2 This is great in that way. I hate that you got in an accident.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the other thing I would plan for, Luke, is I'm assuming you work hourly as a welder?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you have spinal surgery and when you have two knee replacements, you're going to be out of work for a season, right?

Speaker 3 from both knee surgeries uh my doctor said roughly uh six months okay probably

Speaker 2 so you may want to hold that therapy goes and you may want to hold that amount of money that you would have potentially earned and would you put that in high yield savings account yeah i'd maybe do a separate since this is kind of a this is a outlier i'd keep your your normal three to six months of expenses six months of expenses and then kind of like what we would treat if you knew you were getting laid off or something i'd start stacking up knowing that this six months of no work is coming and put a separate thing there and say, okay, this is for that surgery because you're going to have the ability to do that.

Speaker 2 And that's, that's one of the things that going into this and saying, whatever, however we choose to live, let's do it without a payment. That's going to make your life a lot.

Speaker 2 less stressful, knowing that you have no debt. You don't owe anybody.
Nobody can take your house. Nobody can, that's going to give you a lot of peace.

Speaker 3 All right. Awesome.
Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 Hey, we wish you a great recovery, brother. We wish you

Speaker 1 health and healing, my man. Let's go out to Columbus and talk to Brianna.
Hey, Brianna, what's up?

Speaker 3 Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 1 We're doing all right.

Speaker 1 How can we help?

Speaker 3 Oh, just trying to get past my

Speaker 3 graduate my degree of dumbness.

Speaker 1 I went to that school, too.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I have a question for you based on

Speaker 3 what do I do with my negative equity?

Speaker 3 Do I pay off my negative equity before or after I take it to CarMax and see how much they'll give it?

Speaker 2 You're not taking it to CarMax.

Speaker 2 That's number one. Tell us more about the car.

Speaker 2 Tell us what you owe and tell us what it's worth.

Speaker 3 It is a GMC terrain. I owe $16,000.

Speaker 3 It is worth $6,000 to $8,000.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Did you roll negative equity into it?

Speaker 3 No, I did not. I have 13% interest rate.

Speaker 3 Wow. And I've had it for a year.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Yep. Okay.

Speaker 3 Dealership said that they replaced fluids in the transmission and such when they

Speaker 3 then told me just like a month ago that's not the case because I've been dealing with this off and on for over two months.

Speaker 1 So is the car falling apart on you?

Speaker 3 The

Speaker 3 transfer cakes went out on it. We got that fixed.

Speaker 3 The torque converter is starting and which is making the transmission act up. Okay.

Speaker 1 What a mess. Okay.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah, my husband and I are thinking of just leaving it set.
My husband is actually completing a job to give us money for a hoop D for him.

Speaker 3 We've been we've spent so much money in the past two years. This is our third vehicle in two years that we've had to drain money into

Speaker 2 Okay, so other two were paid off

Speaker 2 What other debt do you have? Let's put this in perspective. What other debt do you have?

Speaker 3 So the net drain

Speaker 3 a

Speaker 3 2012 Dodge 1500 that's around the same

Speaker 2 and then wait when you say around the same, you mean that you owe $16,000 and it's only worth eight?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 it's

Speaker 3 the truck is worth the payments. Well, the loan is for $16,000.
Not sure what it's worth.

Speaker 2 Okay. Here's the thing that you need to...

Speaker 2 Here's what we need to talk about when it comes to these cars really quickly before we go.

Speaker 2 The key here is that we want to be in less debt.

Speaker 2 So if that means you taking out a small loan from the credit union in order to clear this difference so you can get rid of of the vehicle and you're buying the cheapest cash car known to man.

Speaker 2 That's the only way that you're going to get out of this. And you've learned a very hard but very valuable lesson to never have a car payment again.

Speaker 2 You don't want these cars to be any more than 50% of your annual salary. That's the rule going forward.
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Speaker 2 Today's question comes from Evie in Massachusetts. She says, I do not feel comfortable sharing finances with my boyfriend, though he's been eager to do so.

Speaker 2 He's supposed to contribute to our monthly bills, but it is always a few months behind. His truck and boat payments are set up to auto-withdraw from my accounts.

Speaker 2 At any any given time, he owes me around $15,000.

Speaker 2 This has been going on for five years. He works for himself, but that work is only really busy for four to six months of the year during which he makes really good money.

Speaker 2 He wants to get married, but I cannot allow myself to be legally tied to him unless he turns everything around.

Speaker 2 I had a recent cancer diagnosis and feel like I need to make a will to protect my assets for my children, and I'm scared to let him know my wishes.

Speaker 2 Honestly, he's a good man who loves me and my children more than anything. I love him and trust him.
I'm just at the end of my rope with his inability to manage money responsibly.

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Speaker 2 I, this is, there's a delusion going on here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the first thing Evie needs to do is go to a mirror and look in it

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 he does have an inability to manage money and you do too

Speaker 1 you've got his truck and his boat payments coming out of auto withdrawing from your accounts you're sharing money with somebody you're not married to and you've got kids from i'm assuming a previous marriage my my

Speaker 1 and y'all are all tangled up in this mess with no legal protection and it's an absolute wreck and by the way

Speaker 1 if you quote unquote love him and trust him, your body wouldn't be screaming at you to not have this level of vulnerability and openness with him. There's something else here.

Speaker 1 I think you want to love him and you want to trust him. And he's not proving trustworthy.
And you're finding yourself in a situation that you don't want to be in.

Speaker 1 Jade, these things, like, it just, it's like by degrees, right? Yeah. And you wake up and you are completely underwater and you can't.

Speaker 1 You can't swim, you can't breathe, and you're chained to the bottom of the pool and you don't even know how it happened. And it's just easy to blame somebody else.

Speaker 1 But wow, wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 2 I mean, I feel like just looking at, I mean, obviously, we could point out the obvious things. Like you said,

Speaker 2 you're not married and you're sharing finances. Everything's coming out.
Like, there's some things that are very obvious, but then there's like, listen, this guy only works six months out of the year.

Speaker 2 You only make work six months out of the year. But I'm like, the track record doesn't.
No. The financial track record is terrible.
If you're saying it's been like this for five years,

Speaker 2 that for me, and I'm not the expert here, but I'm like, that feels, that's tatamount to just using you. That feels,

Speaker 2 that's the way it feels. I'm only getting that from this, you know, one letter here, but that

Speaker 1 behavior is a language. Yeah.
And he's told you for five years. I don't care what you think.
I don't care what you feel. I don't care about your kids.
I care about working really hard for.

Speaker 1 couple of months out of the year, half the year. I care about my truck and I care about my boat.
And

Speaker 1 let's get married. All right.
Like

Speaker 1 you said it best, he cares about himself.

Speaker 1 And at the end of the day, Evie's got to care about Evie.

Speaker 2 Well, what would cause her and so many of us to get comfortable with a situation that's clearly so

Speaker 2 dysfunctional?

Speaker 1 Again, like it happens by degrees. I think it can be that we...

Speaker 1 We so badly want and sometimes we feel like we need a situation, a job, a marriage, a relationship to work because we can't see ourselves on the the other side of that, that we just,

Speaker 1 we just wash over all the negativity. Other times it happens, like I say, it happens just one inch at a time.
He comes home and he bought a truck and he

Speaker 1 auto-drafted out of your life.

Speaker 2 He says, hey, can we do this on your account?

Speaker 1 I'm just going to put it all in the account. That big check's coming next month and it'll be fine.
And that check doesn't come next month. And then he's like, he gets a boat and it's fun for the kids.

Speaker 1 And suddenly you wake up and it's been five years and you realize, oh, I'm building a life with somebody that I don't trust, that doesn't work, that doesn't tell me the truth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I don't know how to untangle this. And the easiest way to untangle things is just to start pointing fingers at other people.
And really, the first place you got to go is the mirror.

Speaker 1 When you find yourself all wound up, you got to go to the mirror first.

Speaker 2 So what then, what would we say are action steps for her? Because she wrote us the letter. She's like, I'm at the end of my rope.
I don't, she thinks it's just a money thing.

Speaker 2 We know it's far beyond that. So what, what's the action steps?

Speaker 1 I think action step number one is to sit down and say, from this point forward, I'm not auto-drafting stuff out of my account. I have to protect me and my children.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So your stuff goes to your account.
So we separate the funds. That's numerous.

Speaker 1 That's number one. Number two, if you're not going to contribute financially, you're not living in this home.

Speaker 1 And that's a bigger question, which is

Speaker 1 you keep asking me to get married. You want to build this life.
And you are not showing me on a day-to-day basis that that's the world you want to create.

Speaker 1 And I can't.

Speaker 1 Like, she's trying to, she's trying to, she's thinking logically about like, I got to protect my family. She's just doing it in a sideways way, which I need to make a will to protect my assets.

Speaker 1 No, you need to stop letting somebody else just take money out of your account. It's almost like

Speaker 2 thinking through a marriage lens of, hey, we're sharing our money. We're making a will.

Speaker 2 If I'm sick, he's taking care of my kid, but they don't have that institution in place.

Speaker 1 To protect him. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 2 It's not a matter of money.

Speaker 1 And she doesn't, she's not, doesn't have a person that she trusts or is a person of integrity that's doing this with her. Right.
So I would begin to say, what can I control out of this situation?

Speaker 1 I can control my bank account. I can control what money comes out of my account.

Speaker 1 I can control whether I'm going to continue to play house for five years with somebody that I don't trust and that doesn't work even year-round. I mean, those are the hard, hard conversations.

Speaker 1 And by just looking at this, I think we all know what that means. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, big red flag is I'm scared to let him know my wishes.

Speaker 1 And if you are with somebody for five years and you can't sit across the table and be honest and vulnerable and open, I mean, that person's not for you.

Speaker 1 That's a tough situation that you find yourself in. So, Evie, I'd call somebody who can walk through this with you because it's a tangled mess.

Speaker 1 This is like a whiplash on an open-faced fishing reel, man. This is hard to just untangle all by yourself.
And so get somebody with you and walk alongside you. And

Speaker 1 at the end of the day, you're worth more than this mess that y'all have created together.

Speaker 1 We wish you peace in your relationships. Let's go out to San Antonio and talk to Jesus.
What's up, Jesus? I'm up against the clock. So get right to your question, all right?

Speaker 3 I got you right now. Thank you guys for taking my call.
You got it.

Speaker 2 What's up? So

Speaker 3 my car just broke down. I still owe $6,000 on the car loan and it has $13,000 in student loans.
I've done my first baby test. I saved $1,000 of an emergency fund.
I paid my credit cards off.

Speaker 3 And I currently have a job that makes $87,000 a year. Apart from the need for a car, I just don't know how to save.
And as silly as it sounds, I just started listening to the Ramsey show.

Speaker 3 So my mind is changing on how to use money. I guess my biggest question is, what's my action step? My next action stats?

Speaker 2 I mean, so you've got the $6,000 car, but it's broken down right now.

Speaker 3 Correct.

Speaker 2 How much is it going to cost to fix it?

Speaker 3 About maybe $3K.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's a lot for a $6,000 car. Have you been putting that kind of money into it a lot lately?

Speaker 3 No, not at all.

Speaker 2 Not at all. Okay, then we're getting it fixed.
That's for, I mean, you got to be able to get around.

Speaker 2 So how quickly could you, if you temporarily like pause the baby steps right quick, how quickly could you get that money together to get this car fixed?

Speaker 3 Car fixed?

Speaker 3 I have it already. Oh, I have it already, but I was wondering if I should.
So I already asked, I've already been approved by my bank for the $25,000 loan.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no. You just told me the car was broken down and it cost $3,000 to get it fixed.
Fix it.

Speaker 2 The goal is to get out of debt, bro. Not get more debt.
Get to zero. Yeah.
John makes a good point.

Speaker 2 If you don't hear anything else from this call, you can't solve a problem while simultaneously creating it. Debt is your problem.
If you keep borrowing money, you're going to continue to be in debt.

Speaker 2 So you've got to draw a line line in the sand. You say, I'm not borrowing money anymore from this point forward.
Spend $3,000, get your car fixed, and then it's on to baby step two.

Speaker 2 You list the debts out from smallest to largest, so the car comes first. You put as much money as you can to that debt till you pay it off, then you attack the student loan.
That's it.

Speaker 2 All you can do is add side hustles to this to make it happen faster.

Speaker 1 That's it for hour one here on the Ramsey Show. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1 Let's go out to Laredo, Texas, and talk to Joshua. Hey, Joshua, what's up, man?

Speaker 3 Hi, Dr. John Devoni and Jay Walsh.
I'm fanboying so crazy right now. I can't believe I'm talking to you guys.

Speaker 1 Dude, we're fanboying too. It's great to hear from you.
What's up?

Speaker 3 Well, I'm just having a lot of trouble with how to, emotionally, and how to deal with my mother and my wife's relationship and my mother's relationship with my sons.

Speaker 2 What's going on? Yeah, what happened, man?

Speaker 3 I just feel like

Speaker 3 my mom could do a lot more for her own grandkids and to be able to fix a relationship with my wife.

Speaker 1 What happened between her and your wife?

Speaker 3 So whenever my wife and I started our high school sweethearts pretty much and my mom didn't like me going out with her at

Speaker 3 and then when I was a

Speaker 3 went to go ask for her hand

Speaker 3 She said that she didn't want me to marry her because she thought her family was gonna take advantage of me

Speaker 3 I asked her why and I honestly don't remember what she said. And then now that we have kids, my wife feels like she could do a lot more of a grandma, and I feel the same way, too.

Speaker 1 How have your conversations been with your mom? Have you brought it up to her?

Speaker 3 I've brought it up to her before, and she says that,

Speaker 3 because at first my wife

Speaker 3 would see favoritism between my oldest and my youngest.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 my wife thinks I'm not going to be able to do it. Josh, I don't want you to offload this on your wife.
I want you to take responsibility for

Speaker 1 this phone call with me.

Speaker 1 What are you experiencing with your mom? Is she treating you and your kids and your wife differently?

Speaker 3 I feel like she just stops.

Speaker 1 Let's don't traffic in feels right this second. Fields are important, but not right now.

Speaker 1 Is she

Speaker 1 treating everybody differently?

Speaker 3 Not out of her character. She's just like that.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 Well, I just

Speaker 3 she always helps out everybody else before herself and her own family.

Speaker 2 That's what I feel. Okay.

Speaker 1 And have you sat down and said, Hey, mom,

Speaker 1 I would love for you to be more involved in our family. And here's a couple of ways that you could do that?

Speaker 3 No, not like that, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 I think at some point

Speaker 1 you as her son, don't pawn this off on your wife, but you as her son sit down with mom and say, mom, I have this picture of you as grandma, of our little ones,

Speaker 1 and you've been our ride or die, and I would love for you to show up in these ways.

Speaker 1 And then I'm going to list these, pick them up, kids up from school, show up after school, come be with us, go to holidays, do Sunday lunches after church, or whatever the things are

Speaker 1 instead of this amorphous. Well, I think that this and I feel this.
You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Let's make this pretty specific and give your mom a chance to show up in the ways that you guys would like to see her show up. Or the hard part of this relationship is she might not.

Speaker 2 That's very true. I think that if you have expectations, it's unfair.
to at least not communicate them. And then they're just a bad guy and they don't necessarily know why.
But at least if you said,

Speaker 2 here's what I thought it was going to look like, or here's what, you know, and some of it may be fair, some of it may be unfair, but at least you're talking about it.

Speaker 2 Then at least she has a chance to say, okay, now she can do with this whatever she will.

Speaker 2 And if she decides, yeah, your expectation is different than what I thought I was going to do, then at least you can kind of put the situation to bed as opposed to having this continuously like unmet expectation that you never talk about.

Speaker 2 That feels.

Speaker 1 It's just kind of cruel because your mom doesn't know what standard to live up to. And here's the other deal, Josh.

Speaker 1 Does your wife know that your mom didn't want y'all to get married

Speaker 3 yes she she knows and my wife doesn't feel comfortable with her anymore because of a lot of stuff that has happened in the past and that's another another major like what issue on

Speaker 3 like

Speaker 3 well like that one time that i told you when we were gonna get engaged my mom said that she thought her family was gonna take advantage of me and then she would She would talk about her parents really bad because she would be hanging out at the house pretty late.

Speaker 3 And we weren't doing anything bad. It's just that she thought that it was, that her parents were bad parents and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 What made her think that? Is there something specific?

Speaker 2 Is it a financial thing? Is there more to that?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 not that I can think of. I don't know.
I mean, we were just teenagers and we were just hanging out.

Speaker 2 How old are you now? At home,

Speaker 3 I'm 26 years old.

Speaker 1 How long are we going to hang on to that?

Speaker 1 Mom said some dumb, rude things about your girlfriend's parents when y'all were dating.

Speaker 1 However many years ago. Now y'all have kids.
Like, the situation's changed.

Speaker 1 Is she still hanging on to that, or is it you guys hanging on to that?

Speaker 3 I think it's us.

Speaker 1 Every time your wife comes in, does she look at her and go, oh my gosh, I can't believe you married her. Her parents and family are disgusting.
They're taking advantage of you.

Speaker 1 Does she still talk like that?

Speaker 3 No, she just keeps quiet.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Maybe she's ashamed of what she said about you guys and you were dating, and now your wife's turned out to be a pretty amazing woman and a good mother to your kids

Speaker 1 and a good co-creator of the world y'all are creating together. And she doesn't know how to re-enter that conversation.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 My guess is your mom saw her little boy dating falling head over heels for some girl, and she didn't know how to say,

Speaker 1 You're my baby boy, and I don't want you dating anybody. And she just ran her mouth.
Is there some is there is that a possibility?

Speaker 3 Yes, that is a possibility. Okay.

Speaker 1 Have your wife's parents taken advantage of you?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 So I think that the time now is to stop wishing your mom would live up to a standard that you guys are kind of it's kind of amorphous.

Speaker 1 And I think it's time to let things that were said when you all were teenagers go. And let's sit down with mom and say, we miss you and we want you in our life in this way.

Speaker 1 And I know that you didn't want me to to marry her.

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 1 We've got a family. We want you to be a part of it.
You get to choose.

Speaker 1 Because I really don't, I mean, Jay, tell me if I'm crazy. I don't know another option, Josh, than just to sit here and have this weird, these weird feelings.
And your wife's going to have to forgive.

Speaker 1 Am I crazy?

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Also, like, I would never like,

Speaker 3 also as growing up, I would never defend my wife and certain things that would happen with my family, the way they would treat her.

Speaker 3 Now I'm realizing what I've been doing wrong and I'm trying to change that and putting boundaries. So

Speaker 3 I think maybe that could be a thing

Speaker 2 why they would react a certain way.

Speaker 1 And you're also allowed to say, nobody is allowed to talk about my wife that way.

Speaker 1 And if y'all choose to talk about my wife that way, then y'all are choosing for me to leave because I'm going to walk out the door and my family's coming with me.

Speaker 1 I hope you will choose not to do that. And apologize.

Speaker 1 Take your wife by both hands and look her in the eye or hold her face and and look in her eye and say, I did not stick up for you when I was a kid, and I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 And I let things go, and I shouldn't have, and I'm really sorry.

Speaker 1 But a lot of what you're talking about sounds like y'all are trafficking in the past, and you've got two kids, you're 26 years old, you're a grown man, you're creating a life together.

Speaker 1 And if you want your family with it, you got to give them a chance to step up. Does that sound right, Jade?

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 1 All right, let's live moving forward, man, and give your family a chance to step up or to step out. This is the Ramsey Show.

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Speaker 1 Let's go out to Pittsburgh and talk to Tyler. Hey, Tyler, what's up, brother?

Speaker 3 Hey, Tyler. Hey, I'm doing good.
How are you?

Speaker 2 That's you, man.

Speaker 1 I'm John. Good to see you.

Speaker 1 I can't see you. Good to talk to you.
How about that? Let's just start the whole thing over. Hey, Tyler.

Speaker 3 Hey, how are you doing, John?

Speaker 2 Great, great. What's up?

Speaker 3 Hey, nothing much. So I'm looking to purchase a McLaren 600LT Spider.
The car is two hundred.

Speaker 2 Wow. That's just a a couple hundred grand.

Speaker 1 Good for you.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thank you.
But it's probably going to be the biggest purchase of my life next to the house that I live in.

Speaker 2 Can I tell you something hilarious?

Speaker 1 I'm currently negotiating with James Childs over like a 98 forerunner.

Speaker 2 Like literally, he just stuck his head in to talk about it.

Speaker 1 So go ahead with your McLaren purchase, Tyler.

Speaker 3 So really, I mean, I'm just looking for some professional advice here on the purchase because obviously it's a pretty hefty price tag. I think I'm in a good financial position to afford the car.

Speaker 3 What's it cost? I wanted to turn to some experts. The cost is $223,000.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Wow. I just don't even know how to act.
Okay, cool. I'm going to act really nonchalant.
Cool. Okay, cool.

Speaker 2 What's your net worth?

Speaker 3 It's around $1.4 million right now.

Speaker 2 Nice. Okay.

Speaker 2 Looking good.

Speaker 2 Let's find out. Are you paying cash for the car?

Speaker 3 I can,

Speaker 3 but I know that there's also benefits with a leasing structure. I own a small tech company, so I also am earning about 5.3% right now on my high-yield interest savings account.
So

Speaker 3 if I should leave some money in there or if I should pay cash for the car.

Speaker 2 I mean, if you're calling us, the only way I would get this car is if you paid cash for it, because you can afford it and it's done and done.

Speaker 2 I'm assuming that you don't have any other debt laying around that would

Speaker 2 change my mind here.

Speaker 3 I've got $15,000 on another auto loan, but that's locked in at 3.5 right now. And since my savings account is earning more than that,

Speaker 2 Did you say you have a $15,000 loan laying around?

Speaker 3 I do.

Speaker 2 Why? Why?

Speaker 2 You could be totally free.

Speaker 3 I could be totally free. And I know that that's what you're big on.

Speaker 3 The big reason why I'm not is because it's locked in at 3.5%.

Speaker 2 But it'd be locked in at zero. I'd be locked in.

Speaker 1 Have you factored in the depreciation? You're losing money. Because you're taking a 5% count against your 3-point, whatever it is, but your car is going down in value.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 1 your calculation, you think you're winning and you're not.

Speaker 3 And you're saying based on depreciation only.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking, number one, you're not because there's a psychology to this. And

Speaker 1 I know that nobody wants to factor that in. But part two is, yeah, the car is worth less money every day you drive it.

Speaker 1 And you keep saying you're locked in. And I keep going, yeah, that's the problem.
You're locked in. No matter what happens to your finances, no matter what this car bottoms out at.

Speaker 1 You're still paying that same amount of money across the board. Dude, I'm just telling you what I do in my house.
I would pay it off right this second. You're a millionaire.
You have a $50,000 card.

Speaker 2 What are you doing? Well, let's keep talking because I want to know more. I want to know what's your income every year.

Speaker 3 So I'm on salary with my company for about $110,000 a year, and then I pull a bonus that's between about $90,000 and $120,000 a year.

Speaker 2 Okay. Depending on how well we do.
Okay, so that puts you at about $200,000 a year.

Speaker 2 It's not looking good. I'm just letting you know right now, Tyler, it's not looking good for you.

Speaker 2 Let's keep rolling out the numbers. Tell us about your home.

Speaker 3 So this

Speaker 3 lakefront condo.

Speaker 3 I visit in Cleveland with some family. It's fully owned, and it's about $300,000 is the appraised value.

Speaker 2 That's what it's worth, and it's fully owned. What other properties, do you have any other properties that have mortgages?

Speaker 3 Nope, nope. It's fully owned.
That's the only property.

Speaker 2 Okay, so it's really just this $15,000 car. And then between the property and your other investments, you're at $1.4 million net worth, but your income is 000.

Speaker 3 yeah you could say 200 yep and i'm maxing out the 401k maxing out the ira so

Speaker 2 i think you're doing really really really really really really well but here's just a couple of rule of thumbs i have a feeling that you're gonna go and and do what you want to do but let me just give you some um just food for thought here typically we would say if you are a net you know if you're a baby steps millionaire your net worth is a million dollars or more you have the ability to buy a brand new vehicle outright like at that point you've done well enough that if you spend the right amount, you should be able to put that money in a pile and burn it to the ground and your heart rate shouldn't change, right?

Speaker 2 But then there's another parameter to that where we say, okay, but it shouldn't be any more than half of your annual salary. And if you do this, McLaren, you are at more than your annual salary.

Speaker 2 So if you said, hey, I want to buy a $100,000 car outright, or I want to buy, you know, even if you said it was like $105,000 or $120,000 I'd probably be like, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 2 But I really do think because of your annual salary i think that this is too much car for you i think if we took that 223 dollars and i i you know did a wily coyote and i put some dynamite on it and blew it up in the middle of the desert i think that you would start sweating

Speaker 3 yeah i i know what you mean which you're right absolutely um

Speaker 2 so i don't think it's i have

Speaker 2 i mean it's my opinion and it is mine but i don't think you're quite i wouldn't do it if i were in your shoes yeah can i ask you like like, if somebody called and they made 60 grand a year

Speaker 1 and they had a paid-for condo and they said they wanted to buy a $60,000 car, I would say, please don't do that. Because

Speaker 1 you're putting yourself at a pretty significant financial risk. What is it about this $200 and

Speaker 1 a quarter of a million dollar car? Or what is it about this car that's, that's, that's got you, gotcha, got you by the guts?

Speaker 3 And I think that's going to be the game-changing question, hopefully is that they only made 345 of these cars um they're in extremely limited production so it's rare and it's it's pretty much being considered a collector's item at this point and i i think it will maintain its value or if not appreciate over time because obviously cars of this caliber are depreciating rocks it most of the time is it a p1 there's no denying that

Speaker 3 uh no i no that'd be a million dollar car man i wish

Speaker 1 okay which one do you have because i'm just doing a cursory look here and it said outside of the p1 mclarens are losing 30 of their

Speaker 1 they depreciate pretty quick you know what i won't argue with you you know when i drive i drive an old truck so you i'm clearly biased um i'm clearly biased here like i just i just don't put money in depreciating assets if you think it will go up i i just can't imagine spending a whole year's salary well there's a part of this scale though let's be honest there's a let's go back to that you know half of your yearly salary.

Speaker 2 There is a part of that equation that if your net worth were a certain amount, I'd probably, I'd throw that, I, Jade, would throw that out the window. Um,

Speaker 2 so you can hold me to that.

Speaker 2 I don't, I, at 1.4 and knowing that if you were pulling out of this investment tape to make that happen and make you go down to 1.2, I just don't feel comfortable with that.

Speaker 2 If you had called me and said, hey, my net worth is even 3 million, I might be like, oh, okay. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 What's your cash position, bro? How much cash do you have in the bank

Speaker 3 um in the bank right now i've got about 350 000

Speaker 2 and that's aside from the 1.4 million

Speaker 3 uh that's a part of the 1.4 also

Speaker 2 the 1.4 is obviously the condo that i own and then the ebita yeah which i i'm the sole owner my if i'm if i'm you if i if i woke up in your shoes and i loved cars the way you did

Speaker 2 I I feel like it's too soon. I'm still sticking to that 50% rule.

Speaker 2 If my net worth were higher, I'd probably reconsider. So do with that what you will.

Speaker 1 I want to try to convince you to get a nice new Highlander.

Speaker 2 Stop. He's not getting a Highlander, John.
Get a Highlander. I'm not even getting a Highlander, John.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the Ramsey Show.

Speaker 1 And right here in Nashville on the debt-free stage, right inside Ramsey Solutions headquarters, Jay and Yvette are here from Raleigh, North Carolina. How much have you guys paid off?

Speaker 4 We have paid $91,168.80 in student loan debt.

Speaker 2 A student loan debt? Yes. Let's go.
Not that we're counting each penny.

Speaker 2 Oh, I was.

Speaker 2 Wow. How long did that take?

Speaker 4 It took us about nine months. What?

Speaker 2 Whole? Nine months?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Tell me that story.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 about a decade ago, my brother gave me this year Ramsey book. Yeah.
So I opened it up. It took me a few years.
I'm a little bit hard-headed sometimes.

Speaker 5 So it took me a few years, and I opened it back up, got along, got my budget sorted out a little bit better. Once we got married in December 17, 2022,

Speaker 5 my wife and I sat down. We had a planning.

Speaker 5 and financial and planning meeting in which we laid out the plan for our next

Speaker 5 so many years, five years or so financially and what we wanted to do and what kind of life we want to have for

Speaker 5 and how we're going to serve God.

Speaker 5 And so

Speaker 5 we looked at, we laid out, what was it, three years worth of debt repayment that we were going to take and we didn't want to put life on hold just so that we can pay off debt for years and years and years and get off and stay on that treadmill.

Speaker 5 So basically we sat down, had the meeting, had a planning session, and I laid out this. It'll take us maybe a year, year and a half if we

Speaker 5 make sacrifices.

Speaker 2 Uh-huh. So, what were you making? Because you did this in nine months.

Speaker 4 Yes. So, when we first started out, we were making about $125,000 between the two of us.

Speaker 4 I am a registered nurse, and my husband is a technical engineer with Cisco. Okay.

Speaker 4 So, then, once we finished the plan and we realized, wait, we need to increase our income if we want to do this in less than three years, which is what we calculated it would take us to do do if we stayed with the current income.

Speaker 4 So then as a registered nurse, I had some options on what I could do.

Speaker 4 So we talked it over and we're like, okay, let's do travel nursing. So we looked into it.
He's the numbers, guys. He lays out the budget and he looks into them.
We research.

Speaker 4 We look to see what areas and what each region of the country we're paying. So we decided to move to Missouri, St.
Louis, Missouri, for about a year. Wow.

Speaker 4 And then there increased our income drastically, I would say. And that's the reason it took us nine months.

Speaker 2 So what did you increase it to?

Speaker 4 Between the two of us, it ended up being about a little over $200,000 between the two of us.

Speaker 2 Holy crap.

Speaker 2 Wow. That's amazing.
So you dropped it from nine months, from three years to nine months. Correct.

Speaker 1 And that took, though,

Speaker 1 man, what y'all did, we talk about this off-air a lot. Just like, man, somebody calls and they say, hey, I want to live in Manhattan.
I want to be a book editor.

Speaker 1 I want to pay off 100 grand of student loans. And we always say, man, one of those variables has to give.

Speaker 1 And y'all said, we are going to make a one-year sacrifice living in a town with a community of people we don't know, a place we don't know, but we researched it.

Speaker 1 Here's where we can get the most ahead, the most bang for our buck, right? The lowest cost of living plus the highest return. And I'm assuming, Jay, you could work from anywhere.
Work from home.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. And y'all just moved somewhere and did y'all still live there? Have y'all now moved?

Speaker 4 We are on our way home, actually.

Speaker 2 Come on. I love that.

Speaker 2 Just hold on. We're going home.
So

Speaker 2 the book you're holding is The Total Money Makeover.

Speaker 2 Tell me what was the light bulb moment? Like, what made you go, you know what? Yes, this guy knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 5 I'd say

Speaker 5 over years of listening to the program on the radio, it takes a while for it to sink in. It's not a distinct moment.

Speaker 5 And that's the same as any kind of journey you're on. It takes some time for things to sink in.

Speaker 2 Same for you. Yvette?

Speaker 4 I would say just looking at it and just like three years is a long time. And we had just gotten married.
And of course, I want to have a baby. So I'm like, three years is a long time.

Speaker 4 We both agreed that we would wait to get out of debt before we started family planning.

Speaker 4 So I'm like, three years, or cut it down to a year if we move and just, you know, do what needs to be done for a year.

Speaker 4 Again, make that sacrifice for a temporary sacrifice to get a long-term goal going.

Speaker 5 It's not sustainable if you're planning on doing it for years and years and years. But Gazelle Mode is designed so that you can do it in a short period of time.

Speaker 2 Wow. So tell us what it's like.
You know, paint us a picture of what it felt like before

Speaker 2 you got a hold of, you know, Total Money Makeover and Ramsey Principles, and then paint us a picture of what your life feels like.

Speaker 5 As any man trying to lead a family, you have a lot of pressure on your shoulders, and so you don't want to be not able to provide for your family.

Speaker 5 And ultimately, having a system that both tells you, yeah, there's a lot of scary things out there, but you have a way to deal with it, a system that works that's biblically based, that you can actually apply and you know you're, even if it fails, you're still trying your best.

Speaker 5 That's what mattered to me.

Speaker 4 But what's important as well is that it did not fail.

Speaker 2 We're here. That's right.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 Hey, Yvette, can you speak to those who are out there?

Speaker 1 They are in love with somebody who loves themselves a spreadsheet and they don't.

Speaker 1 And they have dreams. I know, I can see it.
And they have dreams for what they want their life to be.

Speaker 1 And if it wasn't for that spreadsheet-loving friend of theirs or marriage partner of theirs, they would just go on about their life.

Speaker 1 There can be some shame there. There can be some, oh, I brought this debt into this marriage.
There can be that heaviness, right? And it sounds like you, you, yep, here it is. It's on the table.

Speaker 1 And we're, there's a lightness about you that was like, yep, I did. And we're going to go make this right.
And we're going to get on about our lives.

Speaker 1 What would you say to that person who doesn't want it on the table, doesn't want to talk about it, is carrying that, well, this is my debt.

Speaker 1 I brought this into the marriage or this, whatever relationship I'm in. What would you say to that person?

Speaker 4 For me, first of all, I didn't really feel the burden that I brought the debt into the marriage because it was very clear that, okay, this is ours now.

Speaker 4 Before we got married through premarital counseling,

Speaker 4 we just, yeah, we decided that we were going to put our things together and become one. So I didn't really have any burden on that in that regard.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 4 However, as far as bringing things into the table, when he brought it over, we had probably a two-hour-long business meeting that for me, and I was just like, I need a break.

Speaker 5 Can I get a little bit of a break after five minutes?

Speaker 4 Like, do it in fragments for me.

Speaker 1 That was one of the greatest two hours of Jay's life

Speaker 2 for me

Speaker 4 but after that meeting and once I saw the numbers and it made sense I was like okay let's do what we need to do and the most important things out of all of this is the fact that we came under one unified plan.

Speaker 4 I saw the plan, I agreed with the plan, I knew what it would take to put that plan into action, but I also saw the work that he put into it and that together we could do it.

Speaker 4 So it was just selling me on that. Together we can do it.
Together we can do it. So we agreed, we unified ourselves and we did it.

Speaker 5 It took six months after we were married before we actually did the travel nursing. So it was not forcing it on her to up and leave.
I can't put that on my wife.

Speaker 5 That's not, that's not wouldn't be fair.

Speaker 5 So it took six months. So once late, we laid it out and then we saw the numbers.
Six months later, it wasn't like, hey, we're married, we're jumping and doing it.

Speaker 2 Good for you guys.

Speaker 1 So who is your biggest champions

Speaker 1 through this time?

Speaker 4 I would say our families. They've been through the journey with us, just kind of like Karen's like, sorry, guys, we can't do this.
We're getting out of debt.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 We can't do this weekend. We're trying to get out of debt.
So they were very patient with us, just understanding as well. Just like, hey, I'm sorry, discussed a little too much.

Speaker 4 And of course, the budget. We stuck with the budget.
And even with us, if there's something that needs to be, that we need to buy or want to buy, rather, it's just like, where's the money coming from?

Speaker 2 Or

Speaker 5 she gets me a light a little bit of the money.

Speaker 2 Oh, you're the spender of the girl.

Speaker 2 Which is really right? Yeah, the nerd is the spender. Interesting.

Speaker 4 But we have a question.

Speaker 4 Yes, we have a question.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Is it in the budget?

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 1 There you go. Well, Jay and Yvette paid off $91,000.
Say the number again. I'll let you say it.

Speaker 4 $91,168.80.

Speaker 1 In nine months, you packed up. You moved across the country.
Y'all made a whole bunch of sacrifices and you knocked us out because you've got bigger dreams ahead. We're so proud of you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Come down to it. Count it down.
Let's hear your debt-free scream.

Speaker 1 One, two, three.

Speaker 2 We're dead free.

Speaker 2 Lazy.

Speaker 2 Lazy.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 So Jade.

Speaker 2 You know when they count one, two, three, it's going to hit different than when they count three, two, one. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 We talk about this all the time.

Speaker 1 It's almost always how fast you get out. Like what kind of sacrifices are you willing to make? Will you move? Will you sell everything? Will you take new jobs?

Speaker 1 Will you just get super, super uncomfortable? So, and I love the way they said it. So we can get on with the rest of our lives.
Yeah. I love it.
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 If you are listening out there in radio land or podcast land, this could be you too.

Speaker 1 This could be you too. We are rooting for you and we're here with you.
We'll be right back on the Ramsey Show.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. I'm John Deloney, joined by Jade Warshaw, 888-825-5225.
That's 888-825-5225.

Speaker 1 All right, we are heading into the fall, and it's time.

Speaker 1 It's time.

Speaker 1 Those of you out there who went B-A-N-A-N-A-S with your money this summer, going to every summer camp and sending your kids to every whatever, traveling. We'll just pay for it later.

Speaker 1 Well, later is here.

Speaker 1 So this fall, let's get your money in the right place. I want you to join Rachel Cruz and the Every Dollar team for free live training.

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It's time.

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Speaker 1 Let's go out to the 505, Albuquerque, New Mexico, and talk to Esmeralda. Hey, Esmeralda, what's up?

Speaker 3 Hey, guys. You know, I just had a question.

Speaker 3 I'm right now engaged. I've been with my

Speaker 3 fiancé for five years.

Speaker 1 Five years. Tell him to let's go.

Speaker 3 I know.

Speaker 3 We're kind of not in a rush. We'd like to get all our debt and every all our baggage out of the way before we kind of tie the knot.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 1 Trust me, you're going to bring plenty of baggage into this marriage, both of you.

Speaker 3 He he was married before and got out of the divorce

Speaker 3 some debt, and I guess he just kind of wanted to start fresh

Speaker 3 in this new venture.

Speaker 2 Oh, so you're saying he wants to clean up his debt before marrying you? Is that it?

Speaker 3 I believe so.

Speaker 2 Yes. How do you feel about that? Are you fine to jump into it together?

Speaker 3 You know, I've been supportive 100% of the way, and I'm ready to get our life started. But I do understand where he's coming from.

Speaker 2 What's the debt? How much is it?

Speaker 3 So I think he's about 25,000, 30,000 in the hole right now. And I have a little bit of debt myself.
How much?

Speaker 3 I have about $40,000.

Speaker 3 $35,000 is my car and

Speaker 3 10 in, I guess, personal loans and credit cards.

Speaker 2 Did you know that you can go further, faster, together?

Speaker 3 You know, I've been listening to Ramsey and everybody on the Ramsey network for about a couple of months now, and I'm really kind of

Speaker 3 just trying to get everything in control. And I really want to get debt-free, and I want to jump into this.
I'm ready.

Speaker 2 Yeah, keep telling that.

Speaker 3 Getting him on track with me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that's the conversation you need to have because it's one thing to not be in a rush, but five years is like

Speaker 2 a snail's pace. It's like a snail passed you.

Speaker 2 It's pretty slow.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's crazy how the time has passed.

Speaker 2 Listen, and this is not just for you. This is for anybody listening.
Debt is not a reason to postpone your life together.

Speaker 2 If you're with a person that you know you want to marry, debt is not a reason to postpone that. Work together, pay it off together, get married.

Speaker 2 Like that, it's not, I know a lot of people call in and they say, well, as soon as I get myself together, then we'll, you know, as soon as I pay off my debt, then we'll. And I'm like, ah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I've been with the same person for like

Speaker 1 45 years. I'm still getting myself together.
I got a long way to go. So

Speaker 1 you're going to figure it out.

Speaker 2 The bigger conversation is that you're on the same page about money. Do you see what I'm saying? It's not about, hey, I have 50,000, let me clean it up.
She has $70,000, let her clean it up.

Speaker 2 Because you could both clean up your debt, but if the behavior hasn't changed, that same person is going to go back into $50,000 or $70,000 of debt.

Speaker 2 So the most important thing is if you want to get your, quote, get yourself together before getting married, then decide what your views are on money and debt going forward.

Speaker 2 So that's the only thing that you need to get on lock, you know, financially beforehand. So I'd be asking him, I'd be saying, listen, we both have debt.

Speaker 2 You know, we both had lives before we met each other and we both made mistakes. Okay.

Speaker 2 How do you feel going forward? Because I've been listening to this Ramsey thing. And maybe don't even say that first.
Just say, let him say what his views are. And then you go, okay, got it.

Speaker 2 And then you say, well, if they're opposing, say, well, I've been listening to this, you know, Ramsey network and I really don't want to mess with debt anymore. I really want it out of my life.

Speaker 2 I know that we have plans to clean up our debt, but I don't even want to go into debt anymore after that. And those are the things you need to be talking about.
And I really want to build wealth.

Speaker 2 And I really want to be one of those people that invests, you know, 15% of their money into their 401k. Like, those are the things that you need to be talking about.

Speaker 2 Not paying off your debt before you say I do. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 So we've been really good about putting into our 401k, getting things set up. We're doing really well in that aspect.

Speaker 3 It's just kind of, I guess,

Speaker 3 taking control of the little bits of debt that we have outside of that. Once it leaves the account and goes directly into the 401k,

Speaker 3 it doesn't bother us. It's having to pay it is, I think, what kind of scares him.
And he says sometimes he doesn't like to look at his bank account and see how much money he has.

Speaker 3 And he's kind of nervous about that. So I thought about maybe combining our bank accounts.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, as the great Beyonce said, not until he puts a ring on. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Oh, she also said, no, no, no, no, no. That's right.
Dude. Okay.

Speaker 1 Esmeralda, no, do not combine your bank accounts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, don't do that. What you're trying to do is fix his problem by taking control of it yourself.

Speaker 2 If his problem is he's an ostrich and he's burying his head in the sand, he needs to be a big boy and come up and go, no, I've got to look at this with both eyes wide open, see what it is.

Speaker 4 If you say, oh, you're afraid to look at it, I'll just.

Speaker 2 put it in my account and I'll just do it for you. That is something that you definitely don't want to start.

Speaker 2 Here's what I want to walk through with you. And before you get off the line, we're going to give you

Speaker 2 Financial Peace University.

Speaker 2 I think you and him need to go through it together and let us teach you all the parameters around this because even you talking Esmeralda, I can tell that you're wanting to do the right thing, but you're doing a lot of the right things in the wrong order and it's going to cause you to go slower.

Speaker 2 So it's going to walk through the baby steps.

Speaker 3 I've got the Every Dollar app too. And

Speaker 3 I haven't really gotten all the use out of it that I know I can, but I kind of need him to be on the same page with me as well.

Speaker 2 That's true, but you do, but right now you guys are doing your money separately.

Speaker 1 And he won't marry you right now. So you got to take care of you.

Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 You can't keep waiting around from him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you really can't because you might also find right now, right now in the financial side of things, I've heard nothing but yellow and red flags. Okay.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 you guys get to deal with those, but I want Esmeralda to come away from here and know, okay, I know what I'm doing. I'm walking these seven baby steps.
The first one is I'm getting $1,000 saved.

Speaker 2 And if I have more money saved beyond that, then I'm going to throw it at baby step two, which is I'm paying off all of my consumer debt, everything except my mortgage.

Speaker 2 And I'm not investing, by the way, until I do that because I need that money to pay off this $40,000 of debt.

Speaker 2 And then you're going to save up Esmeralda three to six months of expenses, your expenses, what it costs to live your life and do your budget.

Speaker 2 And then Esmeralda, after you've done that, then you would begin investing 15% of your income every single month. That is your gross amount, the amount before taxes is what I want you putting away.

Speaker 2 And so I want you focused on those first four baby steps on your own until this guy decides that he wants to put on a ring, put, put a ring on it.

Speaker 1 And Esmeralda, I think you can be okay sitting down saying, I want to do the rest of my life with you.

Speaker 1 I'm ready. And Jade,

Speaker 1 it always feels like an excuse to me.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It always feels like, well, whenever this happens and then whenever this happens.

Speaker 2 It's only $25,000 a day. He should have been had that paid off.
I know.

Speaker 1 And Esmeralda, probably sell your car. We could dig in that on another call, but probably sell your car.
Most of yours

Speaker 2 is that vehicle. I'm just saying him.

Speaker 2 Oh, heck yeah. If that was the problem? Yeah.
It's $25,000. Bro.

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