S2E10: Cold Harbor (with Ólafur Darri Ólafsson, Britt Lower, and Zach Cherry)

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Speaker 3 Okay, give me a second. It takes me 10 minutes to close my eyes.
Oh, wait. I did it right away.

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Speaker 6 How's it going, Ben?

Speaker 4 It's going good, Adam.

Speaker 5 We have a voicemail call. that we want to play for everybody.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get to that.

Speaker 7 Hi, this is Kelly, and I am

Speaker 7 really needing to know by the finale if there's going to be a season three.

Speaker 7 And if there isn't a season three, I will find a doctor to perform the severance process on myself. So please do whatever it takes.
To quote Dylan, I don't give three dry fucks.

Speaker 7 how long it takes to make this still happen, but please make it happen for season three. We need it.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 Okay. Well, first of all, I don't want anyone calling a doctor for brain surgery on our behalf.

Speaker 4 Yeah, or self-severing, which is just not a good idea.

Speaker 5 Not a good idea. Terrible idea.

Speaker 6 Now, the reason we're kind of sounding a little rougher here is this is a last-minute call we're making to each other, right, Ben?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's very exciting. The news just came through, Adam.

Speaker 6 Just now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, through the Coconut Telegraph.

Speaker 6 That is Apple. Yeah, we each got.
what's called a Coconut Telegram, which is like new technology.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's the latest Apple product.

Speaker 6 But here's here's the deal.

Speaker 4 Nobody has to give any dry fucks because we are officially renewed for season three and picked up. That's right.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 4 We just wanted to put that at the top of the podcast now and then go to our regularly scheduled programming.

Speaker 4 But this is, we felt important enough to start out the episode with and get the news out there. And I couldn't be more excited.

Speaker 6 Yeah, me neither. And I think everyone can just rest easy that we'll have a new season to you at some point before 2037.

Speaker 4 Yeah, or 2039, something like that.

Speaker 3 Okay, I don't want to make any promises.

Speaker 4 2042.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 3 Guaranteed before 2042. How about that?

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 6 Okay, back to the show.

Speaker 5 Hey, I'm Ben Stiller.

Speaker 3 I'm Adam Scott.

Speaker 5 And this is the Severance Podcast with Ben and Adam, where we break down every episode of Severance.

Speaker 3 That's right. And today is a momentous day.
It's the season finale.

Speaker 5 I can't believe it's here. I know.
Not the penultimate episode, but the ultimate episode.

Speaker 3 That's right. Which is like penultimate.
It's just you get rid of the penna. So today we're going to talk about the season two finale, Cold Harbor.

Speaker 3 It was written by Dan Erickson and directed by Ben Stiller.

Speaker 5 Yes, we've got a jam-packed episode for you. First, we're going to be joined by my friend, the incredible Dari Olifson, who plays Mr.
Drummond.

Speaker 3 Now, should we break down the term jam-packed, or should we just keep going?

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 5 What's your issue with jam-packed?

Speaker 3 Then we're going to unpack everything from the finale with our friends Britt Lauer, who plays Helly, and Zach Cherry, who plays Dylan.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and then after that, of course, we're going to hear Zach Cherry's predictions about what's going to happen next season with Severance.

Speaker 5 So this is going to be a bigger swing that he's going to take. But we're going to be live with him this time.
So that's a whole other spin on it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we can call him on his bullshit is what we can do.

Speaker 5 You know, he gets away with that sort of charming, fuzzy, lovable, lovable, warm guy you want to hug.

Speaker 5 But then he just kind of goes off on these crazy tangents that, you know, I feel like he's playing a little bit of a game

Speaker 5 where he's like playing the kind of like silly, kind of like, I don't know, I've got silly, good. It's a little bit like a ploy they would do on the Traders, right?

Speaker 8 Yes, it is.

Speaker 3 It's exactly like he's like

Speaker 2 Tom.

Speaker 5 Oh, I was going to say Carolyn.

Speaker 3 Okay, he's, okay, sure. He's like Carolyn on the Traders.

Speaker 5 Oh, Tom, though. Tom, interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Sandoval. Right, Sandoval.

Speaker 3 He always thought he knew exactly what was going on. He had the whole thing game.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, Zach Cherry, you should go on the next season of Traders U.S.

Speaker 3 I would love to see.

Speaker 5 I want to see Zach and I want to see him at the roundtable there.

Speaker 5 He would be the ultimate trader. He really would.

Speaker 3 I feel like he would last till the end because no one would think he's a traitor.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Warm and fuzzy, likable guy, but he's really, he's murdering people.

Speaker 3 Speaking of murdering people, this is your big spoiler warning. We're going to talk talk about everything from season two, episode 10 on this episode.
So please go watch it before you listen to this.

Speaker 5 We're thrilled now to welcome our first guest today, the brilliant Dari Olafson, technically named Olafar Dari Olafson, if you're going for his full name, who plays Mr. Drummond.

Speaker 2 Dari, welcome.

Speaker 5 Welcome to our podcast.

Speaker 2 Thank you, guys.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Dari, thank you for being here.
This is a thrill.

Speaker 2 It is a pleasure.

Speaker 5 Dari, you and I have been friends for a while. Do you remember the first time we met?

Speaker 2 I do.

Speaker 2 I remember it really well.

Speaker 5 Can you remind me of what happened? Because I remember seeing your audition. I saw Dari's audition tape for a role in The Secret Life of Walter Mitty we were doing.

Speaker 5 We were casting out of Iceland, and I was really blown away. And then I'm trying to remember the first time that we met in person.

Speaker 2 I had a callback, and what I remember most is that you kept... saying to me like, no, just go for it because we had a fight.

Speaker 2 Over it.

Speaker 3 Like attack me, kind of thing.

Speaker 2 There's stuff that reminds me of that that also brings back memories from the final episode of our show.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we'll talk about that for sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll talk about that. But yes, that was the first time.
And I remember I was just like, okay, so you kept asking me to sort of just do more.

Speaker 2 And that was fun.

Speaker 2 It was also terrifying.

Speaker 5 And you didn't want to break me, right?

Speaker 2 Well, you didn't want to hurt me. I'm a big guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but I'm kind of strong for a little guy, right?

Speaker 2 You are very strong.

Speaker 2 Don't get me wrong. It was also just, I mean, to be honest, I don't think we've ever discussed this, but I've been such a fan of your work and it felt kind of unreal.
And I just didn't want to be

Speaker 2 known as the guy who got a callbacker that broke Ben Stiller's nose.

Speaker 5 That would have helped, actually. I've been waiting for someone to break my nose my whole career.
We had so much fun working together. You played this drunken helicopter pilot.

Speaker 2 So funny in that movie we became friends and our families became friends and stayed in touch over the years and do you want to talk a little bit just about your background as an actor and where you come out of yeah i mean i was born in the u.s i was born in connecticut but my parents are icelandic and when i was four i moved back to iceland i grew up there went to drama school there and honestly when i graduated which is something like 27 years ago, if I would have told anyone that I would at some point work in a Hollywood film, people would have laughed me out of the room because that's just the world was different.

Speaker 2 There were no self-tapes. You kind of had to live in LA or New York for anyone to know you existed.

Speaker 2 And that was good because as an actor, I really needed, I needed experience before I got any kind of real responsibility. And there are no, there used to be no agents in Iceland.

Speaker 2 So you also had to kind of had to know who was going to, you know, who got a grant from the film fund to go shoot a film. And then you would reach out to them and say, hey, I don't mind auditioning.

Speaker 2 So I feel in many ways I kind of lucked out. Sort of had to take care of myself and figure out what was important and what kind of makes you happy.
Because certainly it isn't fame.

Speaker 2 I don't think that's the greatest part of what we do. I think for me, it was always to kind of try and get into a position where I could choose what I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 kind of choose the people I wanted to work with and maybe have at least some opinion on what parts I might get.

Speaker 2 But like when I met met you, I'd done one film in the US, a small part in a film called Contraband with Mark Wahlberg, which was a great experience.

Speaker 2 But honestly, after that, I kind of went home and I was like, okay, that was my one Hollywood experience. But that certainly changed.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And then you've gone on to work with so many great directors.
I mean, would you say you're the biggest star in Iceland?

Speaker 2 You know what? It's really funny because there's only like 350,000 of us. But I think I can honestly say that there are about probably around 10 actors that consistently work outside of Iceland.

Speaker 2 So I'm more than happy to share a top 10 with other people. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's crazy to think that there's, you know, 10 actors out of 350,000 people. That's kind of a crazy ratio.
There's a very small amount of people in Iceland.

Speaker 2 There is something in the water in Iceland. I mean, honestly, I think a part of it is that Iceland is...

Speaker 2 or has been a fairly sort of there's not a lot of status between people so people interact with each other very easily. You know, Björsk, who is probably the most famous Icelandic person of all time.

Speaker 5 No, the correct pronunciation is Björk.

Speaker 2 Sorry. How did you pronounce it? Björk.

Speaker 5 Okay, I guess.

Speaker 3 I don't think I could do that if I wanted to.

Speaker 2 Björk, the singer, she's like world famous. But if you're in Iceland, you're more than likely to meet her at a local store by

Speaker 2 groceries.

Speaker 5 When we shot in Iceland for Secret Life, we had our rap party in Iceland. She was not part of the movie, but everybody was like, Are we ever going to see Bjork? And she came to the rap party.

Speaker 2 No way.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then like a whole bunch of people ended up going to her house afterwards. It was very exciting.

Speaker 2 Wow. It was really cool.

Speaker 3 I remember being so bummed that I didn't have anything to do in Iceland in that movie.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I wanted to go so bad.

Speaker 5 We had an adventure there. But Dari, what was your, we know each other, but like, what was your connection with Severance before you came on the show? Had you watched it? Were you aware of it?

Speaker 2 I had watched it. And, you know, I had really crazy last year where I got to be part of two series that I absolutely loved.
One of them is called Somebody Somewhere. Incredible.

Speaker 2 It's called.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I had watched the two seasons of that and just absolutely, and me and Bridget are good friends.
And I just loved her series. And getting to be a part of that was just...
amazing.

Speaker 2 But then also Severance, which I absolutely loved. It reminded me, honestly, of Twin Peaks.
Do you you remember when that came out? That everyone's trying to figure out what's going on in the series.

Speaker 2 And I really loved that series when I watched it back in the day, but it had the same kind of vibe of you just kind of didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 2 And I think in many ways, Severance reminds me of that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's interesting to me always, like what people connect with and what questions they're asking.

Speaker 5 And I mean, you as a character in the show, it's interesting on my end because we're always looking at ways that security and oversight work at Lumen, and it's always connected somehow with the ideology of the company, too.

Speaker 5 And so we felt in season two, after Raynor was gone, there would be somebody who is in the hierarchy who, you know, kind of oversees things. And how do you see Mr.
Drummond?

Speaker 5 Because he kind of oversees a lot of sort of the bureaucratic stuff that's going on at the company, you know, dealing with Milchik and Helena too, as a conduit to Jane.

Speaker 5 But then he's also kind of, as we see in the last episode, the guy is also kind of an enforcer also.

Speaker 2 First, I want to say, like, can I tell you when I first came to set? Yeah. The first time I came to set, I wasn't shooting, but I came to the hallways and it is the funniest.

Speaker 2 Like I had the biggest fanboy moment standing in a hallway and just going like, oh my God, I'm in the hallway. Just, it kind of blew my mind.
I loved it so much.

Speaker 5 We have a lot of hallways.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's plenty of them.

Speaker 2 They're pretty amazing. And Adam has explored them all.
We have seen that. I remember meeting Adam when he had been running around.
You were quite sort of sweaty.

Speaker 5 I think we were probably shooting the opening shot of 201, probably one of those days.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I think Drummond is a sellot. He's one of these people that just absolutely does not question the company.
And I kind of like the fact that it's hard to place him.

Speaker 2 I think we kind of get to see the real real him in the final episode when he sort of just takes the mask off and we see sort of the monster that exists behind that mask.

Speaker 3 The disdain he has for Annie's.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. And the disdain he has, even for Milchik, all the, you know, kind of everyone around him, except for Helena.
You know,

Speaker 2 he respects her. He respects her father, of course, but he respects her and kind of looks at her like he wants to take care of her.
And I think he feels sorry for her.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's interesting because Drummond is in a foreboding, intimidating person.
First of all, it's interesting because you're such a gentle, kind person,

Speaker 3 just such the polar opposite of Drummond, but he's scary. And part of that is your voice and kind of this booming, deep voice.
And when you talk as Drummond, everybody listens.

Speaker 3 Like it kind of, you know, takes over whatever room you're in. How did you develop what Drummond would sound like? Was that something you guys talked about together?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we had a conversation about that. I kind of also loved that there's at least two scenes where he hardly says a word, which I think is also amazing.

Speaker 2 I absolutely loved shooting that scene in the boardroom where he's just kind of in the scene, but not.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's so interesting because of the body language where you're sort of there sitting while the conversation between Helena and Cobel is happening.

Speaker 5 And it's just so clear that you're like, you have to be there and that you're sort of taking in everything that's going on yet silently.

Speaker 5 And I feel like that was a great way, I think, to start to introduce this character and not have to really explain who you were, because I think, you know, people kind of figured that out.

Speaker 5 But you also kind of have these great moments of humor in the show, too. In the performance review with Milchik, just the question of like, do you want to fill out the lunch menu?

Speaker 5 It's like a very dry sense of humor, I think. And And then also you with Maurer later in episode seven when you say, why are you wearing that stupid sweater? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And working with Robbie was, that was so lovely. That was

Speaker 2 really funny when that happened. Such a nice yeah.

Speaker 5 Both of you have really distinctive voices and are able to do a lot, I think, with very little too, in terms of your presence and the way you just decide, you know, the choices that you make.

Speaker 2 I think I want to give some credit that I remember we were shooting the review, the performance review, review, and my instinct was that he was harder on him, Milchik, because I remember you came in and we had this conversation of softening up the performance.

Speaker 2 And when I watched it, I was like, okay, it was exactly the right way to take it. Right.
And I think it makes it much more weirder, like, to be told off that you put the paper clip wrong way.

Speaker 2 It's just so...

Speaker 2 It's just so insane.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're you're right.

Speaker 5 I mean, you also have the ability to kind of like very subtly shift your intonation or attitude, and it could become very intimidating.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of stuff in the show where I just felt I needed that guidance.

Speaker 2 You know, very often you can show up and you can come and do your work, but when you're doing something as specific as severance, I can honestly, when I've watched the episode, I'm so happy to have, of course, what you need, which is your director and showrunners and

Speaker 2 writers and everyone around you. But it's kind of amazing that because you're you're just one tiny cog in this ongoing saga, and it's just really important that all the pieces are there together.

Speaker 3 All right, now is a good time for us to take a quick break, but when we come back, we'll be talking all about the season finale.

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Speaker 3 Okay, give me a second. It takes me 10 minutes to close my eyes.
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Speaker 3 Dari, we should talk about the finale and everything because you're really front and center in the finale. You know, you're kind of there just waiting for Mark to finish Cold Harbor.

Speaker 3 And, you know, once Cold Harbor is done, you and Lorne meet up and she has little Emile with her. Is that how she pronounced it? Emile,

Speaker 5 Emil the goat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, beautiful goat.

Speaker 3 Should we listen to that scene really quick?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Has it Verv?

Speaker 2 It does.

Speaker 2 Wild.

Speaker 5 The most of its flock.

Speaker 2 This beast

Speaker 2 will be entombed with a cherished woman

Speaker 2 whose spirit it must guide to Kir's door.

Speaker 5 Is it up to the task?

Speaker 3 So what was it like working with this little baby goat?

Speaker 2 Wow, those goats were cute. That was one of my first questions to Ben was like, what's up with the baby goats? But at the same time, don't take it.
How did he give you an answer?

Speaker 5 Well, the answer is you're going to try to kill one.

Speaker 2 It was so cute. And also working with Gwendolyn was so much fun.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Gwendolyn's the best, right?

Speaker 5 That scene, you guys did such a great job with, you know, I was going to say, like, wow, that dialogue is really light and, you know, naturalistic.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But you really did such a great job with that scene because it was an important thing to pull off that, okay, there's this ritual that happens.

Speaker 5 And I remember when we shot that scene, I didn't really say anything to you other than we started to block it and you kind of went into the space with Gwendolyn and you both sort of just kind of adopted adopted these movements and the way that you stood behind the altar and the way that you went to the gun and just the ceremonial nature of it and just sort of the flourishes you had.

Speaker 5 I love when you, you know, we came up with this idea that there's like a secret door in the hallway.

Speaker 5 And when you pushed open that door, it was such a great just motion of it with the music and then the wind that kind of like flew across your face from opening the door.

Speaker 5 I think I tell you, it reminded me of those old Maxwell commercials when I think that was the cassette commercial for a sound where a guy would sit in a chair and the speakers would blast wind at him.

Speaker 2 So cool.

Speaker 5 But you guys were so great with that. And then we had really the other big scene, obviously, is this fight between you and Mark that we'd never done a fight on the show.
We wanted to go for that.

Speaker 5 And just the way you guys figured out how to get into that, because it really had to kind of escalate. And throughout the series, we've never ever shown any physical kind of intimidation with Innies.

Speaker 5 We've never, right? It's all been sort of mental.

Speaker 5 And we felt like at a certain point, if one of the, you know, Lumen employees actually was physical with Mark, that would be a huge, even just, you know, how do you begin that?

Speaker 5 And it started out by you just kind of pushing him up against the wall and then that one punch right in the nose. Yeah.
which you guys sold so well.

Speaker 5 To me, as a viewer, it's like, it's shocking to see like, oh, wow, he's punching him because we've never seen anything like that.

Speaker 3 I remember you wanted it to be quick and brutal, but start small and then escalate. And it was a brutal couple of days.
What do you think, Dari? They were.

Speaker 2 I did my last shot, the, you know, falling out of the elevator. Yeah.
And that's after that, my back, which is like, someone had to help me stand up. Right.
But I loved it.

Speaker 2 I don't do many fight scenes, but that fight scene is epic.

Speaker 2 I have to say, though, Adam, again, I'm sorry

Speaker 2 when I turned around and threw you into the wall.

Speaker 3 That was my fault. That was 100% my fault because we're talking about when Dari grabs me and slams me up against the wall.

Speaker 3 And we had worked it out over and over again and practiced it over and over again.

Speaker 3 And part of my responsibility was while he's swinging me, for one of my arms to come up and block my body so I could get slammed into the wall at full speed, but it would guard my head and the rest of my body from the wall.

Speaker 3 And my arm just got like caught behind me or something, and I didn't get it up in time. So I hit it with my head.
And I believe that's the shot that's used in the show, right?

Speaker 5 It definitely is. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I remember, you know, first of all, everyone was like, oh my God, Adam, you know, I felt really bad. And then when everyone knew that you were okay, I remember looking at that bed.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, we got that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Really happy.

Speaker 5 I was happy, I have to say. And I was glad you were okay, but it looked incredible.

Speaker 3 Yeah, totally worth being concussed.

Speaker 5 Also, I just have to credit Dean Neistat, our stunt coordinator. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And my friend Phil Nielsen came in to help with that fight, who I'd worked with as our stunt coordinator and second unit director on Tropic Thunder. Go back that far with him and Escape at Danamora.

Speaker 5 And he's just, he's just so much fun.

Speaker 5 He's one of my favorite people. And you guys all worked really hard on that scene, rehearsing it, and the stunt people who were in there too.

Speaker 5 And Gwendolyn, it's really, you know, I really believe when you're choking him out at the end there, Adam, it looks like you're really, like

Speaker 5 you did something to really make it look like you were about to.

Speaker 2 Oh, I got your eyes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's an uncomfortable thing.
I just did that the other day again, to choke an actor. Yeah.
And usually we were always like, yeah, no, just go for it.

Speaker 5 I thought we had a no-choke clause in your contract where you couldn't choke any other actors except on severance.

Speaker 2 Shit. Well, I'll have them cut it up.

Speaker 2 It's probably there.

Speaker 3 What was it? Do you think it was like three days of the fight scene?

Speaker 3 Because you're right, it is epic because there's our fight and then Gwendolyn comes in and it's a whole nother little mini fight scene that starts.

Speaker 5 Gwendolyn was incredible.

Speaker 2 She really sold it. Oh my God.

Speaker 5 I mean, you guys both sold it.

Speaker 3 No, but Gwendolyn knows exactly what she's doing.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 2 She's such a professional.

Speaker 5 Totally. Yeah.
And then the two of you had to get in that elevator together and do the bloodiest scene ever in Severance.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It was a bloodbath in there.

Speaker 2 It was

Speaker 5 pretty wild.

Speaker 2 I mean, I feel very honored to, you know, finally, when you see blood, you do see blood.

Speaker 2 It was a ton of blood. It was a lot.

Speaker 5 That was one of the places where I'm like, okay, we're going places we haven't gone on this show before. But it also felt like, you know what, this is kind of exciting and right for this episode.

Speaker 5 You know, episodes have different feelings to them and different themes to them.

Speaker 5 And, you know, going back to season one where we had that one moment of violence with Grainer, it felt like this was sort of building on that. I think it's very unexpected.

Speaker 5 It feels to me when that gun goes off. And you guys really, again, just did a great job of that.
And it was fun to shoot.

Speaker 3 When we were doing the actual gun going off and the blood coming out, we did it three or four times, maybe.

Speaker 3 But I remember one of the times it was like a hose shooting me directly in the face with blood. It was insane.

Speaker 3 And that's obviously not the one in the show, but I would love to, I never looked at the dailies from that. I would love to see that because it was nuts how much blood it was.

Speaker 5 There was a little bit too much pressure. It reminded me of the Dan Aykroyd doing Julia Child getting cut cut on Saturday Night Live back in the day.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh Lord, I've done it now. Now I've done it.

Speaker 5 Or like a Monty Python, you know,

Speaker 5 holy grail.

Speaker 2 I remember Judy Chin, our makeup designer, and those guys coming over and just like, what are we going to do? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Soaked in blood.

Speaker 5 And then Adam, you're like blood-soaked for the rest of the episode.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's right. I mean, every morning I had to come in and put on these crusty blood clothes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But it was fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I also think that it's seeing a level of violence and, like you said, the true colors of Drummond there underneath that we really haven't seen ever at Lumen because everything is sort of intimated, but this raw, ugly violence that is at the heart of it, that is now, you know, now that we have seen and has been exposed.

Speaker 5 And I think it's sort of like, to me, the end of the episode kind of goes towards that tonally, even in the last image. And, you know, we're in a place we haven't been in terms of that.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm really excited to see what happens next season.

Speaker 5 So are we. Yeah, man.
I'm excited too. And I love you, love working with you.
I'm so glad you've been a part of the show. And thanks for coming on the podcast.

Speaker 2 Just right back at you.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Thanks, Dari.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'll see you soon, guys.

Speaker 3 It's time for us to break down the finale, but we couldn't do it alone. Britt Lauer, who plays Helly, and Zach Cherry, who plays Dylan, are on the podcast.

Speaker 3 Britt Zach, thank you for being here and hello.

Speaker 2 Hello. Hello.

Speaker 5 Adam, you don't seem that happy about breaking down the finale.

Speaker 3 You know, I think I'm just a little wary of having Zach on the show, to be honest.

Speaker 2 That's fair. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because I feel like he's going to make some of his sort of like innocent, funny kind of like, hey, I'm just a guy with crazy ideas comments.

Speaker 3 I'm just a lovable guy, and I'm going to encourage listeners to reach out to Ben and Adam about dental hygiene.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 8 Listeners, if you haven't had a chance yet, make sure to reach out to Ben and Adam and let them know how your teeth are doing.

Speaker 5 Oh, my God. Thank you.

Speaker 10 So, Zach and I have just been recording our podcast just prior to this all morning. So all of our good bits are going to be tied up.

Speaker 8 I got my energy out.

Speaker 3 What podcast are you guys recording?

Speaker 2 What are you talking about?

Speaker 10 Zach, do you want to tell them?

Speaker 8 We had a podcast we were recording throughout the production of season one and two.

Speaker 10 Yep. It's uh it doesn't it's yet to be titled, but you haven't titled it?

Speaker 8 Yeah, and we haven't released an episode.

Speaker 10 The working title, it's called soup and smoothies.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Contractually, we have it so that nobody else from Severance can have a podcast. Oh, too bad.
Severance that mentions severance.

Speaker 5 You could call it like the podcast with soup and smoothies with Zach and Britt and not talk about Severance. You don't don't talk about Severance, though, right? You just talk about other stuff.

Speaker 8 We kind of, we mostly recap.

Speaker 8 We recap each episode of Severance.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 8 And we play a ton of clips from your show. It's mostly just your show, and then we kind of talk before and after.

Speaker 2 You recap our podcast?

Speaker 10 Primarily, we break down the food that is eaten on Severance and the types of food that people who work on Severance like to eat.

Speaker 5 So it's like soup, yeah, soup and smoothies, and eggs, and melons. Eggs and melons.
That's right.

Speaker 5 So you guys, we're going to go through the finale. What was it like for you guys watching the finale? Because Zach, I know that you don't really watch the show until it's out on the air.

Speaker 5 And Britt, I'm not sure what, you know, what your interpretation and feeling of like watching the last episode.

Speaker 8 I want to know, Britt, when do you watch the show? How do you watch it?

Speaker 10 I like to imagine when we're filming it that that's the show, that the camera that's in my eyeballs is the show.

Speaker 8 So it's POV.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's just purely POV.

Speaker 10 No, I think I watched them all when we were in Brazil doing Comic-Con

Speaker 10 in like one sitting, at least like the second half of the show.

Speaker 5 In Portuguese?

Speaker 10 No. No, when we were in Brazil.

Speaker 3 Britt only watches the show in Portuguese.

Speaker 10 Although I am really curious about the voice actors who play. Heli and Dylan and Mark in the other countries.
I'm so curious as to how they sound.

Speaker 8 Me too. We need to have a meetup.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Yeah, I haven't heard it dubbed into other languages. It's pretty easy.

Speaker 3 I think you just select whatever language you want, and you can watch it in any of those languages and find out how they sound.

Speaker 2 Really? Oh my gosh. He's so smart.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 5 So, what language do you like to watch it in, Adam?

Speaker 3 I primarily like watching it in Mandarin.

Speaker 2 Mandarin?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Cool.
And do you approve of the actor who does your voice?

Speaker 3 Well, I do the Mandarin.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But I think all the actors, I've watched the entire season in every single language. And they're all great.

Speaker 5 That's great. So you know all the languages?

Speaker 3 Yep. Well, yeah.
I'm fluent in all languages.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Who's the Irish actor who does you?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, they do it in all dialects, too, which is cool.

Speaker 5 So, okay. So, Zach, are you being diplomatic?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I was just letting Britt answer.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 8 I loved watching it. It was really exciting to see everything.
It was really fun seeing how it all kind of like came together.

Speaker 8 I also, the band, I ran into one of the guys from the band at a Nets game and he was like, yo, like, I can't wait until that comes out. And then

Speaker 8 he was, he was with a bunch of kids. He was like in charge of a kids band that was performing at halftime.
Yeah. And then as I walked away, he was like, we're going to fuck Mr.
Millchick up.

Speaker 8 So I was excited to see them again. And just like, yeah, it was great.
It was, it was awesome.

Speaker 5 They did an amazing job.

Speaker 2 That band that we put together.

Speaker 10 Yeah. that was like the greatest week of our lives, just being

Speaker 10 surrounded by a marching band. I can't think of anything better.

Speaker 5 There's nothing more exciting and enervating than hearing like a drum core and a marching band. I love it so much.

Speaker 5 Actually, that's one thing when you go see the Nets where they have that drum core that comes out and that drum line, they're so good.

Speaker 5 I wish the Knicks had something like that because those guys are amazing.

Speaker 8 I also, the first time I watched it, it was really fun seeing Trammell do his thing with the animatronic um gear.

Speaker 2 That was like that, I was that's so fun.

Speaker 8 That brought such joy to me, yeah.

Speaker 3 That was so so bad, all of that. The song, the we should start just going through the episode.

Speaker 5 Let's go through the episode, let's go through the episode.

Speaker 3 All right, we start uh at the beginning, we're down in MDR, we pick up where the last episode left off with Jay Megan visiting Heli. So, let's let's listen to that.

Speaker 2 What a funny speech you gave at the party.

Speaker 2 I was cross with you after.

Speaker 2 This were a ton of candies.

Speaker 2 God, you're fucking weird.

Speaker 5 What was it like for you shooting that, Britt? Because I remember that day very well.

Speaker 5 And you and Michael Sibari, who plays Jane, just did such a great job with that scene because the dialogue, when you listen to to it and look at it, it's almost like he's in a Shakespearean play and you're like in a sitcom.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like he's like saying these things and you're just like throwing back these comebacks at him, but yet you guys make it work tonally.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he's so incredible. He's so chilling.
It's like the hair stands up on the back of your neck when he starts speaking.

Speaker 10 And I remember, I remember I said to you, Ben, I was like, Ben, when he walks in, I need a weapon.

Speaker 10 And it hadn't been written into the scene, but I was like, I just think Helie needs to, like, she just wants to fight him immediately.

Speaker 10 There's something about him that she's like, she just has a physical response.

Speaker 5 That became a really important part of the scene. And I think it really helped sort of orient us as, like, for me, it's such a big deal that James is coming into MDR.

Speaker 5 You know, anytime a new character comes into a space they haven't been in,

Speaker 5 it just felt very weird.

Speaker 3 So, like, you, it's almost like especially him too coming into MDR. That is a huge deal

Speaker 5 that he's walking in. Zach, it kind of reminded me of like when you picked up the stapler when Bert came into the MDR in the first season.

Speaker 8 Yeah, because we're so used to only having us and Milchik and Miss Wong down there, and seeing him on there as a viewer was very unsettling. Seeing him like in that space.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's just like this dynamic between Heli and Jane that started in the last episode of season one.

Speaker 5 Then since then, he has seen that you were not Helena when he talked to him in the bathroom and he seems very interested in you.

Speaker 3 All these things you do, like when you tell him he's gonna burn in hell, it just makes him love you more, which is just so scary and weird.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and Helie doesn't have to pretend to be Helena in this scene, so she doesn't have to hold back.

Speaker 5 I now, with my daughter, I'll sometimes just text her, I do not love my daughter.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. Text me back.
Thanks a lot. You know what? I should try that.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's pretty heavy for him to say that about Helena. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And it also, I think, it's pretty, it kind of is educational for the audience to understand, right, what you're dealing with there and what we saw in episode nine.

Speaker 10 Well, and I think it's probably, I think it's probably the first time that Heli has any sense of empathy for Helena.

Speaker 10 You know, I think it's maybe the first insight she has into the fact that Helena's life is pretty isolated and trapped and tortured.

Speaker 3 I love that line. You sound like a great dad.
It's so funny. But it's so true.
Like, Jesus, what a number he did on this person.

Speaker 5 And Heli's really getting a peek into you also find out that he sired others in the dark which is really crazy he's a pretty scary person yeah I like it Elon might be the child that he treats the best like we don't know how he treats any of the other children yeah yeah or if he even knows them so outside of Lumen what we pick up with at the beginning of the episode is that Mark and Devon and Cobel are at the birthing cabin, right?

Speaker 5 And they sort of lay out this plan for Mark to go down to the testing floor and to save Gemma. It's a lot that we have to kind of set up there in a quick amount of time.

Speaker 5 And Adam, you have to then go into this scene with yourself.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 I'm.

Speaker 11 Well, I guess you know who I am.

Speaker 12 I think you've spoken with Devin and Mrs. Silver, Ms.
Gobel.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 you know what it is that we're asking.

Speaker 12 But the first thing I need to say to you is

Speaker 11 that I am so sorry.

Speaker 12 You know, I created you as a prisoner and as an escape.

Speaker 12 Women told me you'd be happy, that Innies are content, and because I took their word for it, you've been living a nightmare for two years.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I remember this just being like, okay, how are we going to do this?

Speaker 3 And we shot for a few days, but I remember at the beginning when we kind of got on that set, which is beautiful, by the way, Jeremy really outdid himself with that cabin set with that fireplace and everything.

Speaker 3 It's really cool.

Speaker 3 Once we started kind of going through it and being like, okay, this is the innie, this is the Audi, and this is where we'll be and mapping out physically where we're going, the scene itself started shifting a bit.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we had to rehearse it a lot. It was one of those scenes that we were, in the writing, we're looking at like, what is the core of this scene?

Speaker 5 And so there was a lot of work on the scene as you would rehearse it with yourself. And it was, you know, usually you'll sit and rehearse with another actor.
Adam had to rehearse this thing

Speaker 5 with himself. And it's a long scene.
And then we'd be questioning like, well, you know, what would Audi Mark say to Innie Mark when he says this? And what's Audi Mark's attitude?

Speaker 5 And, you know, all of the progression of this scene. And then we had to sort of figure out what the blocking would be for it.

Speaker 5 And then we had to kind of lock it in on Friday because we were going to start shooting it on Monday. And it was our first shooting that we were doing post the strike.
I remember that.

Speaker 5 So it had been a long time. And you had to commit all this to memory.

Speaker 3 But also, we had to lock it in because once we shot one side of it, we couldn't start adjusting the dialogue anymore because it was was locking in the other side.

Speaker 5 Right, once you're in the case. You couldn't improvise anything because you couldn't respond to it yourself.

Speaker 5 Then you had to record video messages to yourself on both sides that you could then listen to when you were playing either outie mark or any mark.

Speaker 5 And it was a, I use the term mind-numbing because just for you, it must have been incredibly hard.

Speaker 5 And for us, just trying to keep track of all like the angles and how we were going to put it together.

Speaker 5 But when Jeff and I put it together in the editing room, I just remember every time I would watch it, I just would get pulled into the discussion that was going on, which I thought was a good sign that I was just getting pulled into your, you know, your dialogue.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 3 And also, you and Jess, I remember, it was interesting kind of watching you guys map it out and figure out how to make it.

Speaker 3 Because, you know, it's one person kind of having this conversation with themselves.

Speaker 3 It could get boring, but you guys like keeping it visually interesting with all the moves you make and all the stuff with the camera and everything.

Speaker 3 It's really fun to watch how you guys keep that ball in the air visually.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I feel like that's one of those scenes where

Speaker 5 you shouldn't be thinking about the camera or like what you're seeing because what you're doing is so interesting. And you just want to kind of keep it very clear who's talking to who.

Speaker 5 So we just made like very simple choices like any mark is going to be looking from right to left and Audi Mark will be looking from left to right the whole time. Right.

Speaker 3 And Audi Mark is outside. In Emark is by the fire.

Speaker 5 Audi Mark's outside, any mark's inside. And then we knew that we'd have the video message itself to sometimes cut to.

Speaker 5 But just keeping it simple like that for screen direction and then figuring out when you wanted to stand up and actually, and I always thought it was interesting that your instinct as Mark would be to stand up when you get upset as Audi Mark.

Speaker 5 But then any Mark gets upset at hearing what Audi Mark says and he stands up. And so you kind of both stand up at the same time and it kind of matches that action.

Speaker 5 And that was important to figure out, I think, for you, like what felt like what was the right build to get to that end moment.

Speaker 5 The moment when Audi Mark sort of gives away how desperate he is for Annie Mark to help him.

Speaker 5 And you start to feel that Audi Mark in some way is trying to get Any Mark to do what he wants, no matter what Any Mark really wants.

Speaker 1 Oh, hey,

Speaker 1 Ms. Google, told me you like someone down there?

Speaker 1 Helena Eaga, right?

Speaker 1 I think her any name's Heleny.

Speaker 11 Honestly, I love that you had that experience.

Speaker 11 So now,

Speaker 11 you can imagine what you and Heleny have,

Speaker 12 but multiply like thousands of days of

Speaker 1 joy and arguments and passion. Then you can see why I have to get my wife back.

Speaker 12 I have to have her back.

Speaker 5 That moment when you say, hey, I heard you fell in love, but I think her name's Heleny, which kind of reminds me, Britt, of that moment in the episode six scene when you're at the Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I was thinking about that same thing when I was re-watching it the other night. I was like, oh, that's a little echo there.

Speaker 3 No one can get Mark's wife or girlfriend's name correctly. Like, what is going on?

Speaker 8 Those scenes were also so fun.

Speaker 8 as a viewer and as someone who wasn't there for those scenes, both the scene in the Chinese restaurant and this one, because it was like the first time these sets of of characters got to talk to each other.

Speaker 8 So that was so exciting to finally see like your Innie and your Audi communicate somewhat directly.

Speaker 8 Like there was still the video camera in between, but that was like so satisfying to get to see you have that conversation.

Speaker 5 And I want to talk a little bit about when Dylan starts to communicate with his Audi too, because

Speaker 5 that happens later in the episode. But before we get to that, there's the scene after you finish talking to yourself that then Cobel has to explain to you what's going on.

Speaker 5 She says the numbers are your wife and she basically breaks down what's going on as much as we've ever known.

Speaker 1 What do you see every day when you look at them?

Speaker 12 Why, I mean, we

Speaker 1 feel things.

Speaker 1 What do you feel?

Speaker 1 Different things. We sometimes

Speaker 1 sadness.

Speaker 2 Woah.

Speaker 2 Frolic.

Speaker 2 Malice.

Speaker 2 Trent.

Speaker 2 So you're saying the

Speaker 1 clusters are

Speaker 1 tempers.

Speaker 5 A lot of information happening in this birthing cabin. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I think Dan and Bo and Mark, they did a really good job of taking all of this really information heavy stuff and kind of embedding it in character and making it important that they say these things to each other.

Speaker 3 So it just doesn't feel like endless exposition. Yeah.

Speaker 5 What was it like for you guys? Like Zach, I'm curious, like someone who famously doesn't like to watch the show until the end, or I don't know if we know if you read the scripts or not.

Speaker 2 Do we know?

Speaker 3 We don't know.

Speaker 10 I know. I read them for him.

Speaker 8 Ray reads them to me.

Speaker 5 Okay. Do you have the scripts read to you? So for you as a viewer, what are you taking into there?

Speaker 5 Because we were thinking about how much information is dispersed and what is the sort of the core information? What's the least amount of information?

Speaker 5 What do we want the audience to kind of like think about? But then also, you don't want to give them too much there too.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it is confirmation of stuff that you've sort of been feeling and like getting hints of, like getting confirmed by Cobel that, oh, the numbers are your wife.

Speaker 8 They're related related directly to her. I think that's something that this season you kind of have started to feel pretty sure of.

Speaker 8 So it was this fun moment of like, yes, okay, that is what's going on. And like, now let's kind of find out what happens now that the characters know that.

Speaker 10 Right. Yeah, I felt like I was excited to kind of see Innie and Audi Mark's intelligence and how they are just a little bit different.

Speaker 10 Like there's, they're both hyper-intelligent, but they think about things slightly differently. And you're able to really see those subtle differences when they're like really up against each other.

Speaker 10 And I thought it was really interesting the way that Audi Mark makes all these assumptions about the innie that then any mark is able to kind of defend himself and refute.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think that what ends up being the straw that breaks Camel's back is this Audi Mark not having the self-awareness to know how condescending he's being towards this person, not realizing that he's pushing it a little too far and treating this person like they're a little kid or less intelligent that they are.

Speaker 5 I have one question. When that happens and he goes into the elevator, at that point for you, Zach and Ritt, were you, like, where are you feeling your allegiances as viewers?

Speaker 5 Are you rooting for Audi Mark or any Mark at that point?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, I think that scene does a great job of balancing out their separate but perilous.

Speaker 3 You're rooting for any mark.

Speaker 10 what you're rooting for any mark to get to helly right well i guess any marks sort of stating the thesis for all of the innies in this episode really he's kind of saying like why does your your need like why does it eclipse my need yeah exactly like dylan is is going through the same experience with his audi like why does his audi have more of a say than he does same with as we'll get to in the sort of end of the episode like helly's thesis statement to the band members as well.

Speaker 10 It kind of like, that's the through line.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

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Speaker 5 So getting Zach to the Dylan storyline, I mean, you basically come back wondering what happened, right?

Speaker 5 Because you put in your resignation request and feeling so heartsick and not wanting to be around without being able to be with Gretchen.

Speaker 5 And then Milchik shows you this response you got from your Audi. He writes you this note.

Speaker 2 Dear Innie,

Speaker 2 I've read your request and organized my response into three points. Point one:

Speaker 2 Fuck you.

Speaker 8 Gretchen is my wife and my beloved.

Speaker 8 And your actions with her were deeply fucking indecorous.

Speaker 2 Point two.

Speaker 2 I get it.

Speaker 2 She's perfect.

Speaker 8 And given our shared physiology, it tracks that you'd agree.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing.

Speaker 8 I've never been an impressive person.

Speaker 2 So...

Speaker 8 When Gretch told me that you're like this self-assured badass,

Speaker 8 I I don't know.

Speaker 2 It stung.

Speaker 8 So I guess point three is,

Speaker 8 I hope someday she sees in me

Speaker 8 what she sees in you.

Speaker 5 How was that for you, that experience of playing that scene and Dylan sort of finally connecting, at least in some way with his Audi?

Speaker 8 Yeah, it was interesting.

Speaker 8 And I think Dylan's innie and Audi, they actually have like kind of a shared set of goals that they figure out as the season goes on, which is like being the best version of themselves. And they

Speaker 8 see things in each other that they kind of want to have, you know, like the Innie sees stuff in the Audi he wants and the Audi sees stuff in the Innie that he wants.

Speaker 8 And I think for them, luckily, there isn't this, their love triangle is with the same person. So there isn't as much of a kind of like tension of like, who are we going to choose?

Speaker 8 Because they both love Gretchen. So they're kind of able to reach this understanding of like, hey, you know, I kind of need you down there because I can't really do what you do.

Speaker 8 And also you have reminded Gretchen of these things that I used to be. And so maybe I can kind of rediscover that a little bit.

Speaker 8 And then, you know, the innie also reaches this conclusion of like, there is part of me that is helping out there.

Speaker 8 And so even if I can't directly be a part of this relationship with Gretchen, I can kind of like contribute in the ways that I have been.

Speaker 8 And also I can kind of maybe help this Audi get back a little bit of

Speaker 8 his groove, I guess. And I do think it was interesting also for me over the course of the season, they became a little more alike.

Speaker 8 Like the innie moved a little towards the Audi and the Audi moved a little towards the innie. And this is kind of that final moment where they kind of both realized.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I feel like, you know, that coming together of the innie and the Audi is something that's very unique to Dylan. in this season of the show.

Speaker 5 And I feel like for me, it was really interesting to see explored not having to have this huge delineation between an any and an Audi.

Speaker 5 And obviously the realization for any Dylan that he's not, you know, this big famous person on the outside or his life isn't better than his life is on the inside.

Speaker 5 And the empathy that he ends up having for his Audi through his shared love of his wife. I also love that we have the one moment in the show where Dylan takes off his glasses.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you've done that on Fallout or not, but I'm just wondering, have you taken the glasses off in other shows?

Speaker 8 Not a ton, honestly. Not a ton.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that might be your first.

Speaker 8 That might be your first in terms of actually taking them off. I've done like one job where I didn't wear them at all.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 You didn't have glasses at all? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I didn't wear glasses at all, but I didn't take them off in a scene. So yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 Well, that was pretty exciting.

Speaker 10 Zach, I have a question for you. Yeah.
Zach, was that your handwriting in the letter?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was my handwriting.

Speaker 10 I think that's one of my favorite parts about it. It just, I can feel like your character in your handwriting.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Did you do that on purpose?

Speaker 8 It was sort of just my handwriting.

Speaker 8 It wasn't a major character choice for the handwriting, but I think the way we shot it, there were some times where you were actually seeing me write it.

Speaker 8 So they just had me kind of do it over and over. But it was nice to have that there.

Speaker 8 And now, you know, my sort of elementary school teachers, if they're watching, they can kind of see that I've made no progress

Speaker 5 and that i still have the same style that i had when i first learned the craft i really love that when we're hearing you read the letter we're seeing images from your audience life too yeah it's like a love letter really it's like a love letter to yourself it's so beautiful to yourself so then you guys mark and helly they get to mdr and it's all like scary green lighting and the cure egan statue and basically you're going to complete the file and helly is going to watch And you guys, I mean, you have these final scenes together as Mark is headed towards completing the file of not knowing what's gonna happen, except that you know that you know you have to do something.

Speaker 5 But if you get her out,

Speaker 5 maybe that will take down Lumen, like his sister said.

Speaker 5 And maybe you could do this combining thing.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, but he could be a total liar.

Speaker 2 What if he's not?

Speaker 2 At least you'll have a chance at living.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I want to live with you.

Speaker 5 You know, there's so much beneath what's going on between the two of you there, and I think you guys did a beautiful job with that scene. How was that shooting that for you guys?

Speaker 10 I remember it being just a really kind of emotional day. Firstly, the lights were low and we're very rarely in the dark in MDR.

Speaker 10 So it already created this mood of, you know, like there was sort of an ending coming. And I think we'd been working on the show for like four or five years.

Speaker 10 And in this room that we've had so many scenes, so many memories in. I remember at one point, Ben, you came to give me a note.

Speaker 10 It was like in a very quiet part of the scene and your eyes were welling up and it choked me up to see.

Speaker 5 I was getting choked up watching what you guys were doing because it was very emotional.

Speaker 10 Yeah. And then it had this like knock-on effect.
Like I couldn't, like, I couldn't stop crying. And just looking across just that environment and feeling this was essentially like a bi scene.

Speaker 5 It was really emotional. Yeah, really emotional.
And you guys, you know, the scene of Zach, of you in the room reading the letter, and then the two of you having this sort of final conversation.

Speaker 5 It was really, and you guys were just doing such good work. I mean, like you said, there was a lot of history there already built into it, but that we're finally at this moment of shooting this scene.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I remember just being, you know, it's so sad that these two have to do this. Like there's really no other choice.

Speaker 3 And I remember I'm looking at the computer screen, finally looking over at you, Britt, and you were just a wreck when I finally looked over at you. And it was so sad.

Speaker 3 And I felt like we were just really connected. And it was towards the end of shooting.
And so we were all just really in it. We were just in the show.
And it was our whole lives.

Speaker 3 We were just there all the time, all of us. And so this really meant a lot.
This moment was a, it was a big moment. We have to fucking say goodbye and it was super sad.

Speaker 10 I think it was like time traveling for me.

Speaker 10 It was was like traveling back in time and forward in time at the same time, like imagining the first scene we ever shot in MDR and then time traveling and imagining the last scene that we'll ever shoot in MDR, whenever that may be.

Speaker 10 And then, you know, it's like, oh my gosh, I'm 16 and now I'm my age and now I'm 70. And, you know, just feeling that kind of timelessness that was like baked into the writing.

Speaker 5 That's actually the timeline I've had working on the show from 16 to 70.

Speaker 2 To 70.

Speaker 5 And then basically the lights go down, you finish the file, and the smoke comes out of the Ensign MDR, the serious Alan Parsons Project song plays.

Speaker 2 Revel now in the fruit of your labors

Speaker 2 and hail your earthbound steward,

Speaker 2 your very own

Speaker 2 floor

Speaker 2 manager.

Speaker 2 He said, just

Speaker 8 I also, I did want to say when Trammell runs out of the room after leaving the letter with Dylan, that's one of the funniest moments of the show for me. He just sprints out of there.

Speaker 8 That made me laugh really hard.

Speaker 5 I think he only did it.

Speaker 5 I think he only did it one take. It was the first take that we used because the camera doesn't even know that he's going to do that.
He just runs out.

Speaker 2 It's so good.

Speaker 8 It's really funny.

Speaker 5 Because, you know, he's late and he's got a lot to do on this day, and he's got to get ready for the celebration.

Speaker 8 He has to change, and yeah, he's got to

Speaker 5 change into his band, marching band.

Speaker 3 And he's excited. He finally got rid of Miss Wong.
Like, this place is his, and he gets to do it.

Speaker 5 Except, he is feeling. I mean, look, it is post-the Drummond scene in 209, and he's definitely feeling a lot of conflicting feelings towards the company, I think.

Speaker 5 And that's why the comedy act with the cure statue doesn't really go probably as planned.

Speaker 8 It's an honor to receive your barbs, Mr.

Speaker 2 Egan.

Speaker 8 The legacy you've left behind is truly and irrefutably larger than life.

Speaker 2 You mean my company?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 8 I mean this wax statue that's five inches taller than you actually were.

Speaker 5 Thank you for that feedback.

Speaker 5 Seth.

Speaker 10 Ben, you got to be the animatronic, right? Does everyone know that?

Speaker 5 Well, I got to, yeah, Doug Coleman, our special effects supervisor, made a remote control for that animatron. And I love animatrons.
I grew up, like I go visit Disneyland, Hall of Presidents.

Speaker 5 Anything with an animatron makes me happy. And he had the remote control that controlled the arms and the neck, the turns.

Speaker 5 And so I would do the remote control, but then we had Mark Geller, who is Kier Egan, on set reading with Trummel. So he was doing the line so we could get the timing.

Speaker 5 And Trummel just played that scene with so, there's just so much going on underneath.

Speaker 3 Oh, one of my favorite things to watch, because we watched him do it many, many times, him losing his patience a little bit with the animatronic doll and it poking fun at him was not landing particularly well with Milchik.

Speaker 3 Him trying to cover that up and just continue on. It's so specific and so good.

Speaker 5 It was also fun shooting your reactions to it, just watching you guys have to kind of assimilate and kind of take in this weird reality after that scenario.

Speaker 2 Which was

Speaker 10 really hard to act because it was actually super funny and

Speaker 10 interesting. And we had to pretend it was terrible.

Speaker 5 How many times have you had to do that reaction in the show of like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 5 And then, you know, he has to cart off the statue because it's not over because the final celebration moment is going to be the marching band choreography and merriment.

Speaker 5 And this was probably the most daunting idea for us to like put, you know, 100 marching band people in MDR. And just like, what would that even feel like? What would that reality be?

Speaker 5 In a way, it's sort of like, you know, like in Citizen Kane, there was like a whole marching band scene. And like, I've been a huge, I'm a fan of that movie, Drumline, that Nick Cannon movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I could watch that all day. I just love it.
That was a really exciting idea. And then we put together this marching band.

Speaker 2 It's so good.

Speaker 5 But we had to really figure this thing out. I mean, it was crazy shooting it.
And Trammell, once again, can do anything. Busting out the moves.

Speaker 3 His moves.

Speaker 5 And he's such an instinctual actor. It was so interesting for me to watch him work with a choreographer and then for him to, like, he just sort of owned these moves.

Speaker 3 But also him having that baton and him having that to work with was really fun.

Speaker 5 And then you guys had to sort of be intimidated by this marching band, too.

Speaker 3 But the marching band, was it like five days they were working with us there?

Speaker 2 They were there a while. They were incredible.
Incredible.

Speaker 5 We had to figure out what the choreography was, of course, how to shoot it, like try to figure out how to make it feel claustrophobic and all that.

Speaker 5 But I do remember we had to basically build an MDR set on another stage that had no ceiling so that we could put the camera way up high to get the overhead.

Speaker 3 when they put out the cards that say mark 100% that's that nobody sees and then the hallways those narrow hallways hallways, and you shooting them marching down the hallways.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that was experimenting. Like, how many, you know, tubas can we fit in the hallway, or how many, you know, right?

Speaker 5 For me, also, like, one of my favorite moments, two moments in that scene at the end, are you, Britt, when you have to get up on the desk and really basically start to rally the troops almost literally.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 10 This desk used to have four seats.

Speaker 10 Our friend Irving is gone. And they want our whole department gone.

Speaker 10 If he gets out, we're dead.

Speaker 10 They're gonna turn us off like fucking machines.

Speaker 2 You've seen them do it.

Speaker 10 I know you've lost friends too.

Speaker 10 And you could be next.

Speaker 10 You could be next.

Speaker 10 They give us half a life and think we won't fight for it.

Speaker 10 Right, Milchik?

Speaker 3 Your speech is so good. It's so good.

Speaker 5 And that moment when the lights go off and the alarm turns on and that moment where Heli, you know that the plan has gone through and that he's reached her.

Speaker 10 Right. I think, you know, the way that speech is written is that she's remembering Irving as she's standing on the desk.
She's like, our friend is gone.

Speaker 10 And, you know, in the process of that, I think she kind of discovers this argument, which is like, they're giving us half a life. Why shouldn't we fight for it? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, you do, you bring it back to friendship because Irving, you're bringing up Irving and Dylan after reading that letter is sort of motivated, right, to come back.

Speaker 5 And it's like the group kind of comes back together there. And you have that heroic moment of pushing the vending machine in front of the door.

Speaker 10 I loved that when he came in and saved the day.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Dylan's like Han Solo.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's what I've been modeling the character after. The entire show is Han Solo.
So it was nice to finally get that moment.

Speaker 8 But I do think, you know, this season, Dylan kind of is isolated and he has neglected his connections with the MDR folks.

Speaker 8 And then he reads that letter and he kind of decides, well, I'm going to be here. So if I'm going to be here, let me get back to my friends and like be in here with them.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Can I ask you guys what you thought this whole revelation of what Cold Harbor is, you know, what they're doing to Gemma down there, and that scene where she has to go in and try to dissemble the crib.

Speaker 5 How did that resonate with you?

Speaker 8 To me, it felt like they've been testing out this process of severance, and then they put this moment in front of her that is tied to like one of the most emotional and like hard moments of her life.

Speaker 8 And so, this is kind of the final test: will even a memory and emotion that strong break through?

Speaker 5 I'm your husband.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 Your name is Gemma, Scout.

Speaker 5 We've been married for four years. No.

Speaker 2 We were.

Speaker 2 We had a life together.

Speaker 2 Don't speak to that man.

Speaker 5 He's here to hurt you.

Speaker 2 And if you come with me right now,

Speaker 2 we can get it back.

Speaker 10 It was just so satisfying to see Gemma escape this hell that she's been in for two years. To see her be on the other side of that door, that was so satisfying.

Speaker 8 And the moment when she, as Gemma, first sees Mark as Mark

Speaker 8 is also incredibly satisfying.

Speaker 10 So beautiful.

Speaker 8 Especially after watching episode seven and seeing kind of what she had gone through and that level of isolation, isolation, but she still always was thinking of Mark.

Speaker 8 So that moment where Gemma and Audi Mark got to briefly kind of see each other in that floor was very, very satisfying.

Speaker 5 And then we get the end where Ini Mark dashes Audi Mark's dreams and his plan and probably a lot of the audience's desire too, I think. How did you guys feel about that?

Speaker 8 I think seeing the way Deechin as Gemma reacted to it was so impactful in terms of like the confusion and the hurt, and you know, because she's not aware of all this additional context.

Speaker 8 She's just like, what is happening? Like, why is my that's my husband? Yeah, that's my husband. Why is he not coming out here with me?

Speaker 8 So, that really drove it through in a way that I didn't necessarily expect to feel that much about that moment because I knew it was coming.

Speaker 8 But seeing the way she was reacting really did make that powerful.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, I think Helie is also for the first time experiencing how Gemma feels about Mark.

Speaker 10 She gets to see that firsthand, And there's kind of a last moment where she lingers as Mark is pulling her away.

Speaker 10 And I think it's this moment of understanding and connection with Gemma that I think is really important.

Speaker 5 Interesting, because I feel like you could interpret that look in different ways too. The last look to Gemma.

Speaker 10 I mean, it's a complex moment. There's kind of this reckoning with one another, like a connection across the hallway.

Speaker 5 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 And then you guys running down that hallway at the end, we had this one hallway set up where Britt and Adam had to kind of run with the camera running in front of them for this final shot.

Speaker 5 And we're shooting it in super slow motion.

Speaker 5 So you're running obviously regular speed and you had to kind of go through the, I mean, do you want to talk about like what the range of emotions you went through in that shot?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you really wanted us to. I remember we did it a few times and you wanted us to cycle through a bunch of different like feelings as we were running.

Speaker 10 Well, there's the literal fact that Helie knows, which is like, maybe we have this whole band on our side. Maybe we have all of these people who can help us.

Speaker 10 And then again, I think Helly is really carrying the heartbreak that she just saw on Gemma's face. And I'm sure any Mark is too.

Speaker 10 Even though they're kind of like these wild horses running through the hallways, there's still this, like, oh, what we've just done has an effect. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then it's just the question of where you're going.

Speaker 3 Sort of like, yeah, that's the text. I kind of felt like it was just so exciting to be with Helie and to just be running.

Speaker 3 But then I felt like during the run is where it kind of occurs to them or to Mark, like, I'm not sure exactly where to go and what the hell we're going to do, which is a really fun place to end the season, you know.

Speaker 3 Ben, what's that?

Speaker 3 How did you come upon that song, the song that you use for the

Speaker 5 Windmills of Your Mind, performed by Mel Tourme?

Speaker 5 So good. You know, it was on my episode 210 end song playlist of just like ideas for songs that we could play because we knew that that was what the image we wanted it to be at the end.

Speaker 5 You know, from the beginning was this freeze frame that I had in my head, like, oh, yeah, let's do this freeze frame. It's like weirdly romantic but scary moment.

Speaker 5 And then we're going to like do kind of a 70s freeze frame ending or even 60s freeze frame.

Speaker 5 You know, like so many movies used to do that in a really interesting way where you're just like, wow, you're just stuck in this moment. And like, what's going to happen?

Speaker 3 Yeah. In the scene when I'm like at the door and Heli appears and kind of going back and forth, that was always the end point for the season, right? From long ago.
It was always.

Speaker 5 It was always, that was always, we knew we were headed there.

Speaker 3 But I remember also, and this is interesting to think about now, the thought at one point was to end the season before the choice is made.

Speaker 5 That's right. Yeah.
Early on, we thought about maybe we'll have you in the middle of the hallway there looking at Gemma, looking at Helly, Helly, and that would be the end.

Speaker 5 But it really felt clear to me, and I think to Dan and you, as we started to talk about it, that we didn't want to end on another cliffhanger like that.

Speaker 3 It would feel like we're trying to beat the first season.

Speaker 5 That was the goal of this episode for me was to try to do something totally different than last season's finale, because that was something that people specifically keyed in on.

Speaker 5 I feel like that episode is so much a result of the writing of the first season and all the threads that are coming coming together there because it's a pretty simple episode in terms of what goes on.

Speaker 5 And this one, I felt like we wanted to make it more of like its own thing in terms of like what the ride was. So that was something we were intentionally trying to do.

Speaker 3 I mean, I really miss making the show. I can't wait till we get to go back to it.
Me too. And I miss seeing you guys every day.
And it's so fun making the show.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, totally.

Speaker 5 Now we're going to go to the end of the episode event that we've all been talking about, which is Zach Cherry's favorite segment of the episode where he predicts

Speaker 5 what will happen next on Severn. Zach, you haven't really gotten anything right at all this season, so I'm hoping that you.

Speaker 8 That's sort of open to interpretation.

Speaker 3 And now you have to predict what happens next season on Severn.

Speaker 8 Yeah, we'll probably have to cut it because it's going to be so spot on.

Speaker 5 Let's listen to it. Let's hear what the great Nostradamus Zach Stradamus has to say.

Speaker 8 Hi, Adam. Hi, Ben.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 8 The season finale. That was another humdinger.
Thanks for teaching me that word, Ben. You know, I just wanted to make sure I check in with you, Ben and Adam.

Speaker 8 I realize I've been so caught up in my own thing of predicting what happens next. I haven't been asking you what's happening with you.

Speaker 8 So if you guys want to take a second to just sort of share how you're feeling about anything you want, you can go ahead and do that.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's enough time.

Speaker 8 Alright, now let's talk about next season on Severance.

Speaker 8 Next season on Severance.

Speaker 8 So our characters, they've put themselves into another pickle. You know, they're in open rebellion.
There's a marching band hanging out with them. Any Mark and Helly are running down the halls.

Speaker 8 Who knows what's going to happen next? Well, obviously, I do. And this time, I mean it.
Mark and Heli are running down that hallway and they are never going to stop.

Speaker 8 They're just going to keep running and running and running and they're going to really show what humanity is capable of and set new records for the marathon, the mile and the ultra marathon.

Speaker 8 And, you know, runners are a really dedicated community. They're not going to just let that slide.
They're going to find out about this.

Speaker 8 And the running community is going to come to the inn's aid and get them out of there so that their champions and their heroes can do what they were meant to do, which is run run free.

Speaker 8 So that's right, next season on Severance, we're going to mostly be focused on the ultra-marathon and marathon running community.

Speaker 8 And I know that sounds strange, but when you see it, it's going to make total sense.

Speaker 8 Adam, I just wanted to say, a few weeks ago, I said that the first movie I ever saw was

Speaker 8 Meet the Parents, starring Ben Stiller. And that's not true.
The first movie I ever saw was Torque starring Adam Scott. And I saw it when I was 19 years old.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 8 Sorry, everyone. And talk to you next season.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow. You didn't see a movie till you were 19? Yeah, but that was the first one I saw.

Speaker 8 And it made me love movies.

Speaker 2 Cinema.

Speaker 5 Wait, Torque, is that like an action movie or something?

Speaker 3 It's a motorcycle movie with me and Ice Cube and many others.

Speaker 5 You're on the IMDb list. It just keeps giving and giving.
It's like, it's crazy how many things you've been in. Star Trek, Veep.

Speaker 3 And Torque is another stop on the road, my friend.

Speaker 5 Are you a motorcycle racer?

Speaker 3 No, I'm the FBI agent McPherson.

Speaker 5 McPherson.

Speaker 3 Yeah, McPherson. I complain about the coffee and stuff.

Speaker 5 So basically, season three is Severance running free.

Speaker 2 That's the subtitle.

Speaker 3 Just us running the entire season is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Imagine that. I love that.

Speaker 3 Sounds terrible.

Speaker 5 When we pick up season three, you have a long beard and mustache and a baseball cap and you're just running. And so does Helly.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I want a beard too, please.

Speaker 2 You'll get a beard. Okay, good.

Speaker 3 Do you have any predictions for season three?

Speaker 10 Everyone gets haircuts.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, that's a good idea.

Speaker 10 Wait, you know what I really want to see? Actually, this is true. Well, I do want to see the haircuts.
That is true. But I also want to see all of us.
play instruments.

Speaker 10 I want to see Ben play the drums. I'm going to bring my trumpet because I used to march in the marching band.
Trammell plays like something. He plays like the saxophone or something.

Speaker 5 Yeah. All right.
Zach, what do you play?

Speaker 8 Recorder. I play the recorder.

Speaker 2 No, you don't.

Speaker 8 I did.

Speaker 10 Adam plays the flute.

Speaker 2 Add me play the flute.

Speaker 5 I wish I played the flute.

Speaker 5 It is weird we don't have like a jam band type of thing after all.

Speaker 3 It's weird that we don't have that.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you assume it's that.

Speaker 3 It's weird that we don't have a band a certain number of years.

Speaker 8 You eventually arrive at that.

Speaker 5 Doesn't that always happen on TV series?

Speaker 5 Hey, we have one hotline call we want to play before we let you guys go. Oh, sure.
That's pretty interesting. So let's play it.

Speaker 14 Hey, this is Alan. I was told to call this number, talk about dental hygiene.
And I mean, look, obviously we all know dental hygiene is like super crazy important.

Speaker 15 But like, what I don't understand is why is it that there's nothing I can do to remove plaque from my teeth? I mean, like, look, I do all the stuff, right?

Speaker 14 I do all the stuff I'm supposed to do. I brush my teeth.
I floss. I do all that jazz.

Speaker 14 And then every time I go to the dentist, there's just more plaque on my teeth and it's like look i don't expect to sit here at home and like chisel away at it but i mean there's got to be something i can do a pill or a uh like some gum i don't know i mean look

Speaker 5 all right that's all thanks to you zach thank you alan that was awesome wow first of all i'd say dental hygiene is connected to mental hygiene so start there right wow

Speaker 5 right you have to have the right outlook first what's your attitude towards plaque and your relationship with your own plaque?

Speaker 5 And what is it that's binding you to your own plaque that you can't let it go?

Speaker 3 I think he said at one point, plaque and all that jazz, which I appreciate.

Speaker 5 He must have had the wrong number, this guy.

Speaker 3 We should put Zach's phone number at the end of this podcast.

Speaker 10 We should put Zach's phone number at dental offices. Totally.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Everyone, the listening community, if you are at your dentist's office, please write down my phone number and just put it in the waiting room.
And I'd love to hear from anyone.

Speaker 2 all right.

Speaker 3 That is it for this episode. The season may be over, but the Severance Podcast with Ben and Adam will be back next week for a bonus episode.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 3 Unpack all of season two with some very special guests.

Speaker 5 Very exciting. You guys are special guests.

Speaker 3 That's right. Thanks for having us.

Speaker 5 You guys are awesome.

Speaker 10 Well, listen in on soup and smoothies next time.

Speaker 3 Soup and smoothies.

Speaker 5 And Zach, maybe next season, read the scripts or not?

Speaker 2 We can talk about that.

Speaker 5 Okay, cool.

Speaker 3 The Severance Podcast with Ben Stiller and Adam Scott is a presentation of Odyssey, Pineapple Street Studios, Red Hour Productions, and Great Scott Productions.

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Speaker 5 Our executive producers are Barry Finkel, Henry Malofsky, Gabrielle Lewis, Jenner Weiss-Berman, and Leah Reese Dennis. This show is produced by Xandra Ellen, Ben Goldberg, and Naomi Scott.

Speaker 5 This episode was mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. We had additional engineering from Javi Krustas and Davey Sumner.

Speaker 3 Show clips are courtesy of fifth season. Music by Theodore Shapiro.

Speaker 3 Special thanks to the team at Odyssey: Maura Curran, Eric Donnelly, Michael LeVay, Melissa Wester, Matt Casey, Kate Rose, Kurt Courtney, and Hilary Schuff.

Speaker 5 And the team at Red Hour, John Lescher, Carolina Pesakov, Gian Pablo Antonetti, Martin Balderutin, Ashwin Ramesh, Maria Noto, John Baker, and Oliver Acker.

Speaker 3 And at Great Scott, Kevin Cotter, Josh Martin, and Christy Smith at Rise Management.

Speaker 5 We had additional production help from Kristen Torres and Melissa Slaughter. I'm Ben Stiller.

Speaker 1 And I'm Adam Scott.

Speaker 5 Thanks, everybody.

Speaker 3 Thanks, you guys. Bye.