S2E3: Who Is Alive? (with Gwendoline Christie)

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Speaker 6 Hey, I'm Ben Stiller.

Speaker 5 I'm Adam Scott.

Speaker 6 And this is the Severance podcast with Ben and Adam, where we break down every episode of Severance.

Speaker 5 Today, we're diving into into the third episode of season two, Who is Alive? Written by Waning Yu and directed by Ben Stiller.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we got a great episode for you today. First, we're going to be joined by the incredible actress, just incredible person, Gwendolyn Christie.

Speaker 5 Oh my God.

Speaker 6 Who plays a mysterious new Lumen employee who,

Speaker 6 you know, has something to do with goats.

Speaker 5 The goats are back.

Speaker 6 The goats are back, and she's connected to the goats. I'm excited.

Speaker 5 And then after that, Ben and I will talk about a few of our other favorite scenes from the episode. Plus, Zach Cherry is back, of course, to predict what's going on in the next episode.

Speaker 6 Okay, so we're going to be talking about anything and everything from episode three.

Speaker 6 So if you're just, you know, listening to this podcast and it just like automatically went into the next podcast and you haven't watched episode three, please watch episode three first and then come back to us.

Speaker 5 You know what? If someone is behaving like that and just listening to podcast episodes willy-nilly and then just watching whatever they want, that's dangerous behavior.

Speaker 6 I know, but maybe they just, they were listening to the episode two, you know, 202 podcast, and they fell asleep. Stop defending that.
It can happen sometimes with our podcast.

Speaker 6 And then all of a sudden they wake up and it's like they're hearing spoilers for episode three.

Speaker 5 That's right. In that case, it's our fault.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And in that case, they probably won't hear this warning because they're asleep still.
Right.

Speaker 2 Wake up. Okay.
Time to wake up.

Speaker 2 Wake up.

Speaker 5 This is very exciting, you know, because I don't know about you, but before we were lucky enough to have Gwendolyn come on our show, she was one of my very favorite actors.

Speaker 5 And her turn as Brienne of Tarth on Game of Thrones is seminal and one of the great television characters ever.

Speaker 6 Amazing. Amazing.

Speaker 6 And, you know, I, like many Game of Thrones fans, and we can talk to her a little bit about it, but, you know, you put these characters in their own world and to see her as a living, breathing human being in, you know, the modern world who's super cool.

Speaker 6 And I just, I, first of all, welcome.

Speaker 2 Hi. Gwendolyn.
Christy.

Speaker 2 Yes, you're here.

Speaker 7 I've been waiting for permission to speak.

Speaker 5 Or should we just keep talking about you?

Speaker 7 I mean, I feel so relaxed while you do it. It's so great while you just talk about me it's not at all uncomfortable or strange no no

Speaker 6 no well we we like talking about you because we you know we're fans and you and i met a few years ago because i was a fan of the show and you were in new york and some representative or somebody said hey would you guys like to get together but it's weirder still we were at the emmys And I took a photograph of my boyfriend and I, and then I looked at it because we don't often do selfies selfies and looked at it.

Speaker 7 And I said, it's Ben Stiller up there in the corner. He's looking directly at the camera.
And then I said, oh my God, what if he thinks I'm trying to take a picture of him? He'll think I'm so weird.

Speaker 7 This is awful. And then I felt a tap on the shoulder and it was you and you were incredibly nice to me about

Speaker 7 Game of Thrones. And I said, oh, God, I think, I think, I think it's okay.
I don't know. I was really terribly overwhelmed already and then even more overwhelmed.

Speaker 7 And then because I was obsessed with Escape at Danamora,

Speaker 7 I then said to a representative, please, is there any way I can meet Ben Stella? And then we met as if by some miracle after the whole weird incident at the Emmys,

Speaker 7 you decided to magnanimously overlook that and agree to meet me in person. And I really wanted to work with you.
And you mentioned this show, Severance, and it sounded amazing.

Speaker 7 And you said, there's no part for you. And I was like, great, why am I here?

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 7 I'm so thrilled to, but walked down. But I was, but was thrilled.
But this is weird as well. So when the show came out, I was really excited about it.
And I watched it.

Speaker 7 My mind was genuinely blown from the first time.

Speaker 7 I watched that opening scene and seeing Heli on the table and every single element of its strangeness and the suspense and the relationship between the characters and the dysfunction and the clinical environment.

Speaker 7 And to me, it was...

Speaker 7 John LeCarre is my favorite, one of my favorite, favorite authors.

Speaker 7 And I really adore his work. And no one quite builds suspense and atmosphere like John LeCarre and Hitchcock too, with that degree of cinematic suspense.

Speaker 7 And I finally saw this in a TV show and I was really obsessed with it. Like I'd make sure everyone left the house.
I'd close the curtains, I'd sit down and watch it, then I'd watch it again.

Speaker 7 Like, the dogs had to be silent. Sometimes they made noises.
I was like, please, you want to stay in the room? We've got to be silent.

Speaker 6 So, after that, this is like when I watch Real Housewives with Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, after that, cut to about 2022. I'm having a dark night of the soul.
I'm really like,

Speaker 7 I want to do something I really want to do.

Speaker 7 I'm not being creative enough. Why aren't I in severance? I'd never be asked to be in severance.
No one would ask me to do that. Really bitter, bitter.
Finally get to sleep early hours of the morning.

Speaker 7 And this is true. I wake up and there is an email from your producer asking me if I want to be in the show.
And that is true and insane. Wow.
I know. Isn't it weird?

Speaker 5 Wait, so you were having a dark night of the soul, which all actors have, which is

Speaker 3 never

Speaker 2 anything really smooth ride. Other than glory.

Speaker 6 Yeah, just ask Christine.

Speaker 2 On the planet.

Speaker 5 You had a Dark Night of the Soul specifically as a reaction to Severance. Like, why am I here?

Speaker 7 Partially. I mean, it made me, the show made me angry.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 7 I was angry because I loved it and it wasn't in it.

Speaker 6 So we are the givers of pain and delight.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 7 It's sort of stamped on the delights like it was like a kick in the face. Watching it was a kick in the face.

Speaker 6 That is so amazing because I remember us thinking,

Speaker 6 wow,

Speaker 6 should we ask Gwendolyn, would she do it? Would she do it? Yeah. That's what I remember thinking.

Speaker 5 Oh, completely. Yes.
Because I remember you had the idea and it was perfect. It was a perfect idea for Gwendolyn to come and play this role.

Speaker 2 And it was all about could we get her.

Speaker 6 And like, I was like, oh, man, would she do this? And I was so excited and so happy. And I just enjoyed when we did meet,

Speaker 6 even though I didn't have a part to offer, what we talked about.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 we did talk about

Speaker 2 it.

Speaker 6 You're just such an interesting person and

Speaker 6 your experience as an actor, I mean, you have like a very varied kind of experience where you come from,

Speaker 2 what you do.

Speaker 2 It's weird, isn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 5 You want to talk about that varied experience?

Speaker 2 Not at all.

Speaker 7 Don't want to speak about it. In what way, well, let me ask you the question.
In what way do you perceive it to be strange?

Speaker 6 Well, you told me a little bit about your background and about the sort of creative community that you were a part of and have been a part of. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, you know, I grew up in the countryside and it was a different world then. You know, magazines were the internet and I was obsessed with films.
I was obsessed with television.

Speaker 7 I was obsessed with America and

Speaker 7 literature and art and fashion. I really anything I could get my hands off.
And it was very rural where I grew up. So it was hard to get these things.

Speaker 7 You know, it was really, you had to drive half an hour to get a magazine that would be like maybe three months out of date or something. So, and I hated school.
It was such a bad experience for me.

Speaker 7 So I had this other rich interior life and world of hoping. And

Speaker 7 so when I arrived in London, it was under kind of quite strange circumstances.

Speaker 7 I'd,

Speaker 7 to be honest, I'd done a fashion show. I'd been spotted on the street for the student designer.

Speaker 7 And then Isabella Blow, who was a stylist and who discovered Alexander McQueen and Philip Treasie and all these phenomenal people, she sort of discovered me and got me to meet lots of people and lots of designers.

Speaker 7 And everybody got excited for about two seconds and then... it all just sort of faded away because these things do but i was where i wanted to be which was immersed in this creative world.

Speaker 7 And I was obsessed with St. Martin's School of Art and the designers that came out of there, and the artists around there at that time.
So I was embraced by a community of freaks, basically, who

Speaker 7 lived life on their own terms, who identified in different ways, who considered themselves to be outsiders of societies and misfits, freaks. We were all freaks.
But we came together because

Speaker 7 I suppose

Speaker 7 we didn't have a home. But we had a home together.

Speaker 7 And the UK at that time had a different kind of system whereby you could find a survival as an artist through one means or another.

Speaker 7 It was a very, very different time.

Speaker 7 And so having been obsessed with classical work and doing classical plays, I then moved into a different environment of the avant-garde, I suppose, from that, from that extraordinary group of people.

Speaker 7 And Lee Bowery had died two years earlier, who's a a really outrageous avant-garde artist

Speaker 7 who dealt with the absurd and the obscene.

Speaker 7 He had died two years prior. So it was that group of people that were all underground artists.
And it was hilarious. Everybody pretty much was hilariously funny.

Speaker 5 So you kind of had this background of more sort of traditional Strasbourg

Speaker 2 kind of education.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and classical work, yeah.

Speaker 5 Then you kind of moved into this more avant-garde. So you had,

Speaker 5 that must have been an interesting mix.

Speaker 7 And then I went to drama school. That was

Speaker 7 classical training with a method approach. And that was 12 hours a day, five, six, seven days a week.
And it was insane. It was brutal.

Speaker 2 It was really brutal.

Speaker 7 And I arrived thinking, I'm not going to make one friend and left. just being in love with everybody.

Speaker 5 And was that in London?

Speaker 7 That was in London. It was Drama Center London that had a sort of terrifying reputation.

Speaker 7 Right, trauma center.

Speaker 5 What attracted you to it was

Speaker 7 it was specifically because it was a classical training with a method approach. And there was a

Speaker 7 choreographer at that time called Michael Clark who was sort of doing something similar and that he was classically trained as a choreographer, but he worked with Lee Bowery and he would work with The Fall and he would work with other avant-garde artists to create these dance pieces.

Speaker 7 And I thought that's who I want to be as an actor.

Speaker 7 And also the fact that everybody told me no and told me that wouldn't work and I won't work I sort of I don't it actually weirdly galvanized me at that time yeah because I think because I'm bloody-minded is the only conclusion I can come to how would you define bloody-minded

Speaker 2 term

Speaker 7 I suppose it's sort of sticking two fingers up at the establishment.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 5 Which is why this particular school appealed appealed to you in the first place.

Speaker 7 There's a sort of something I told, you know, you kick the dog and the dog lays down, or you kick the dog and it jumps back up again.

Speaker 7 And I thought I was always the dog that laid down, but then I realized I was the dog that jumped up and murdered you.

Speaker 2 That's bloody minded.

Speaker 6 It's a nice segue into.

Speaker 2 And this is my first podcast.

Speaker 6 Well, it's a a fantastic i mean it's not going to be your last

Speaker 2 it is

Speaker 6 you are so it's so interesting that whole world is so interesting because you know like you're talking about a sort of counterculture thing this group of people that you were part of you did you ever imagine that like you were going to then end up in like this you know show that would be kind of like go all over the world and like did you see yourself doing that it was completely weird because

Speaker 7 to be very honest you know things weren't happening for me in terms of my career they sort of were i was working i was doing theatre but

Speaker 7 you know no one could see at that time an obvious path for me but

Speaker 7 you know when i was with my friends i was a star

Speaker 7 and I was adored and loved.

Speaker 7 And it was amazing because it didn't matter how I was treated out, you know, on the streets walking the dogs by the rest of the industry because I had a home and I could be loved and adored and

Speaker 7 that group of people loved that I was a freak. They loved that I was living my dreams out

Speaker 7 as an aesthetic and as a life.

Speaker 7 So it was a combination of feeling like the waiting for the world to catch up with me, but more generally thinking it was going nowhere.

Speaker 5 And were you thinking that way when you took a step outside of and got some perspective on your life and taking a step outside of your close-knit group of friends?

Speaker 5 Or was it something you realized later looking back?

Speaker 7 I think when you're in your early 20s.

Speaker 7 you know, that whole environment is exciting and it goes with your passion and enthusiasm for life and wanting to really taste life and experience life, which is what I really wanted to do.

Speaker 7 And I think as I definitely, as I, as I crept closer to 30, I remember the first time I went to Los Angeles, I was on my way to the gym and

Speaker 7 someone that worked in the industry, who was a friend of the friend, said, what age are you, honey? And I said, I didn't tell anyone my age because I was like, God, I'm, what age was I?

Speaker 7 I don't know, 33. And I was told, it was like, and I said, I said, I'm 28.

Speaker 7 And they said, well, I hope you are because if you're over 30, this is not going to work.

Speaker 5 Oh, shit. And

Speaker 7 to be honest, it was fairly accurate at that time. I mean, who would ever have suspected that this part on television of all places on HBO would arrive of the incredibly unconventional woman

Speaker 7 who is described as being hideously ugly, who fights men, who is on a mission of

Speaker 7 chivalry and dignity and

Speaker 7 overriding sense of moral good and be allowed such prominence, it was unheard of because people, you know, the whole

Speaker 7 feeling at that time was that people didn't want to, there wasn't an audience for that.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 7 So it was a it was a bolt from the blue. Really honestly, it was a total bolt from the blue.

Speaker 5 And was it season two that you started on Game of Thrones?

Speaker 7 It was season two, yeah.

Speaker 5 Season two. And at the time, was it apparent to you that this was going to be the most popular TV show in the history of planet Earth?

Speaker 7 It's so strange. You saying that, I just completely kind of blow, ooh!

Speaker 7 Because I've never really taken that aspect on board, mainly because...

Speaker 7 When we were doing it, what's so delightful about that show, and I think has resonated through it, is that nobody expected it to be a success.

Speaker 7 It was this odd fantasy show that nobody expected to go anywhere.

Speaker 7 And I read the books and I went through a whole kind of rocky style preparation for the part because I used to always, I mean, it's sort of how I look now, really, but I used to have really long hair and wear a lot of makeup and be very dressed up.

Speaker 7 But I'd never got in touch with that aspect of myself with all the fear points of being incredibly tall and incredibly strong and sort of very unconventional looking and in some ways disfigured and, you know, lots of all the, you know, all the

Speaker 7 strange elements of me that I did my best to shield.

Speaker 7 And I knew it was time to get in touch with that. As, I don't know, as strange as it might sound, to, for my wholeness as a human being and as an actor, I had to embrace those things.

Speaker 7 I could no longer live in denial of them.

Speaker 7 And I had to embrace them and to be able to have a part in which to do that, to become someone else, to become all the things I was horrified and terrified about myself.

Speaker 7 And the things that society told me were wrong as a woman was a dream. It was a perfect, perfect dream.
So I stripped it or, you know, I stopped wearing makeup. I pulled my hair back.

Speaker 7 I trained at the gym. I lost a lot of weight training.
I put on loads of muscle. I did kickboxing.

Speaker 7 I read all the books. But what was fascinating about the books was that it was such unconventional narrative.

Speaker 7 It was so subversive. And the women were at the forefront.
And I thought they'll probably cut that and just leave it as the men. But I I thought, if they get this right,

Speaker 7 I truly think this could have life. But almost nobody else did.

Speaker 7 What that meant was everyone was committed in terms of creating a piece of work, a drama, where we were all giving everything we possibly could.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's great to hear you talk about the very thing that was so unique about you is what is, of course, what is so special about you and why

Speaker 6 you're so successful people want to see your work is also the thing that makes it hard for the world to see before that

Speaker 6 opportunity comes up.

Speaker 6 And that's something I think it's important to hear, you know, because that uniqueness can sometimes make you feel like you're never going to get to where you want to get, but that's also the thing that actually gives you, you know, that specialness.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and the courage to take all of those things, all of those unique attributes, and push them out on the outside and use them.

Speaker 5 And in the process, make one of the only characters I've ever seen on a show where I felt like if one hair on her head was harmed, I don't know what I would do with myself.

Speaker 5 It's incredible hearing any part of your story, Gwendolyn.

Speaker 3 You're just the coolest. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay, we're going to take a break. We'll be right back with Gwendolyn after this.

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Speaker 3 Adam,

Speaker 4 I want you to close your eyes and imagine you're working in Lumen's HR department.

Speaker 5 Okay, give me a second. It takes me 10 minutes to close my eyes.
Oh, wait, I did it right away.

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Speaker 5 Let me get into character here.

Speaker 5 I think they'd love it. It's efficient.
It's targeted. We can search words like cure lover and affinity for long hallways.

Speaker 4 Okay, you can open your eyes now. Oh, thank you.
So if you were actually a business owner and not an actor who plays a guy who works at a weird company, like you do in the show. Hey, wait a second.

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Speaker 5 No, I actually get legitimately claustrophobic when I use a finger trap. Yes.

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Totally. Because the finger traps are real.

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Speaker 5 So we need to move on to Mammalian's Nurturable.

Speaker 6 What's going on with Lorne?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 5 what's up with her?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean

Speaker 2 Lorne.

Speaker 7 There's a lot going on with Lorne, isn't there?

Speaker 12 Are you here to kill me?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Sorry, hi, I'm Mark.

Speaker 7 I'm Helie.

Speaker 1 And we're with Macrodata Refinement.

Speaker 1 What is this place?

Speaker 12 Mammalian's Nurturable.

Speaker 5 So Mark and Heli are going around to different departments looking for Miss Casey,

Speaker 5 and they stumble upon what they come to know as Mammalian's Nurturable, and Lorne is there. As far as just, if we want to start with the wardrobe, which is really unique, what was that process like?

Speaker 5 Were you working with Sarah Edwards to figure out what you wear?

Speaker 7 Sarah Edwards is completely wonderful and really skilled and has a brilliant frame of reference and incredible imagination.

Speaker 7 She's so great to work with and she's such a she's so good with creating character. She's so good at telling the story so that you receive a deeper experience.

Speaker 7 Anything I do, I wanted to be different.

Speaker 7 I knew it wanted to be different. And also in watching Severance so much, I wanted it to have a different feeling in the show.

Speaker 7 I I didn't want to replicate, and as much as I did want to replicate everything, I didn't want to replicate anything. And I was led by Ben.
I mean, I was,

Speaker 7 I only had like something like 4,000 references for hair, but

Speaker 2 surprise, surprise.

Speaker 6 I'm getting this reputation as like the guy who is obsessed with

Speaker 2 hair.

Speaker 7 Well, I'm obsessed with Adam's hair.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, we're all obsessed with Adam's hair.

Speaker 7 And when it was Adam's birthday, I sent Adam the glossiest, blackest flowers I could find in celebration of your magnificent hair.

Speaker 3 They were the most beautiful flowers I've ever received.

Speaker 7 Only eclipsed by your hair.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 6 What I liked was that you and Sarah sort of,

Speaker 6 you connected and kind of went off together. And, you know, honestly, like for me, doing...
any project, I'm very collaborative and like to work with people who are really good at what they do.

Speaker 6 Sometimes I have a specific idea, but lots of times it'll be just like, you know what, come back to me with what you're thinking, what you're feeling.

Speaker 6 I feel like you guys went off and created this look together, really.

Speaker 7 Yes, I really,

Speaker 7 I just went towards what I was drawn to, which is what I do increasingly these days rather than trying to be systematic about it. So initially, I had,

Speaker 7 and this doesn't, I mean, I sound like such an airhead, but then probably I am. I was drawn directly to Martin Margella at a particular point, particularly when he was designing for Hermes,

Speaker 7 because those fashion elements together by that conceptual artist spoke to elements of the show.

Speaker 7 And there's a very particular time in the 90s with the colour palette as well that I was receiving very strongly. That's a sort of favorite era of mine, kind of around 1993, is what I found there.

Speaker 7 And then, so there was a visual there, but I knew I had to go into something real. Now, what's weird is when you and I spoke about the part, I was in the highlands of Scotland and

Speaker 7 we left and it's a remote place. You have to drive through the moors that were covered in sheep.
And so it's unending, that landscape.

Speaker 7 And it makes you feel like you're in a totally different dimension with all these sheeps around. And then a good friend of mine is a sheep farmer.

Speaker 7 And my oldest friend, from when I was a child, my first friend, also keeps sheep. So I had to do some very sort of undercover questioning about it.

Speaker 7 And what struck me was in speaking to my friends, the sheep farmer and kind of being around them, was the life and death nature of it.

Speaker 7 The whole time, these lambs are being born because I, because I couldn't get close to goats. I could only get close to sheep.
And, you know, during lambing season, that's life. life or death.

Speaker 5 And what do you mean, life or death? You mean if they don't get the amount of wool that they need for the season, they won't survive?

Speaker 7 I mean the lambs being born.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 So when you're around things being born and breeding,

Speaker 7 it's very intense and very emotional. And the darkness that I could sometimes see, I felt was really core to lawns.
So

Speaker 7 that darkness and the rawness and researching farmers and people dealing with animals and the kind of the way that so many farmers will commit suicide because of what they're around, because it's so hard, because you're dealing with animals.

Speaker 7 I mean, these are just a few perspectives.

Speaker 7 Putting those elements together and I and I loved that Sarah Edwards had this idea of this sort of Thierry Mugler jacket and about making it filthy and deconstructing it and changing it.

Speaker 7 And I wanted to change my silhouette a little bit as well.

Speaker 6 And the kerchief, the yes,

Speaker 7 that was Sarah and it was so perfect. And we really love the idea of the rubber boots to be in that environment.
The idea of kind of wading through blood or feces or whatever you have to deal with.

Speaker 6 The idea of this department was really

Speaker 6 antithetical to anything we'd seen in terms of literally, you know, like you're saying, it's organic and there's grass and creating that space was,

Speaker 6 you know, Jeremy Hindel had this really smart idea where he

Speaker 6 we wanted to have this, you know, this hilly terrain. And we knew that the reality of building sort of this hilly, grassy area on a sound stage would just be impossible.

Speaker 6 And the scale of what the room was going to be, we wanted it to be really, really big.

Speaker 6 So the solution was that he found a golf course

Speaker 6 out in

Speaker 6 Jersey. No, it was Brooklyn.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Brooklyn.

Speaker 6 It's a golf course like in the far reaches of Brooklyn.

Speaker 6 We built a tent over the golf course

Speaker 6 and put up some walls and

Speaker 6 supplemented the rest with the computer. And that was the environment.
And it's one of the first things that we filmed for the series, second series.

Speaker 5 We put up lumen walls up against the tent. Is that correct?

Speaker 6 We put walls up that were in, you know, where they would be, but only like the first sort of, you know, like 10 or 15 feet of them. And then the rest we augmented with the computer.

Speaker 6 But we were all in a tent for a number of days

Speaker 6 shooting this with real goats, lots of real goats, and incredible

Speaker 6 people in this department, the mammalians nurturable department, the actors that we

Speaker 6 found were just so committed. We wanted people with these just rugged, intense faces that, like you're saying, like have been dealing with these life and death situations out there.

Speaker 6 And obviously there's a lot of mystery about who Lauren is and what she's up to. But

Speaker 6 what I loved about what you brought to the part, first of all, everything you're saying about your imagery, your inspiration, like that to me is like why you work with an actor.

Speaker 6 People say, you know, oh, you hire an actor, they come in, they learn a lot.

Speaker 6 It's like, no, when you work with an actor who is really like a great actor, you come in, you came in with all these ideas that to me, it translates, no matter what of those ideas actually ends up visually in the show, it's the fact that there's so much invested in what you're doing and thought into this character, and you're making a real person.

Speaker 6 And that is what makes any any of these characters on the show work, in my mind, is the belief in this world, no matter how fantastical or weird it is.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And you get the sense when we walk in there that Lorne is going to be formidable to

Speaker 5 Mark and Helie.

Speaker 5 And you get the sense that there's this severe protectiveness that she has over this place and these animals, not just the animals, but those people, that you guys have been through it and that you need to, you have a need to protect each other and the animals.

Speaker 6 You know, there's the scene when basically you guys go to her and say you're looking, you know, for Miss Casey. You won't really give any answers.

Speaker 6 And then you basically get freaked out and ring your bell.

Speaker 7 But there was an incredible moment where the goats were, the goats were everywhere.

Speaker 6 Your desk is in the middle of

Speaker 2 the stage.

Speaker 7 A goat came up to the desk and was butting its head against my knees

Speaker 5 under the desk. While we're shooting this serious scene.

Speaker 7 And I am quite good at not laughing. I laughed.

Speaker 7 I laughed and I laughed and I probably made some woo noises.

Speaker 5 I remember when I was shooting my coverage and I was trying to maintain this serious thing with you and a goat was eating my shoelaces.

Speaker 7 And it really tickles if a baby goat won't stop trying to eat your clothes yeah it was amazing to having a makeup touch-up and the goat eating the brush or something that's right it was chaos i was there for it it was amazing i loved every second of it yeah it was but also the goats were one of my absolute favorite favorite moments of the first series because when i was watching it and then when i heard the goat cry and i thought are they putting goats in it they're not they are not putting goats in it.

Speaker 2 They are not.

Speaker 7 And it was such a sublime moment with Wyatt feeding the goat.

Speaker 7 It was just sensational. I think I sort of did some cursing and some pacing.

Speaker 7 And then when you said that I was in charge of the goats, it was a hallelujah moment.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's perfect.

Speaker 6 Let's listen to that little scene where once you've kind of gathered everybody around, you're kind of holding them captive for a moment to figure out what to do.

Speaker 6 And then you finally decide what you're gonna do

Speaker 12 excuse me have you seen this woman hey stop that her name's miss casey she was the wellness director stop that have any of you seen her

Speaker 12 enough

Speaker 12 we've decided to send a courier to inform mr miltrick of your inquiry no no no no you can't do that they could kill her if they find

Speaker 12 a mammalian's problem it's in any problem listen we used to be afraid of other people.

Speaker 12 Afraid of you?

Speaker 12 Look, they just disappeared her. And if we let this happen to Miss Casey, then who's going to step up when it happens to us?

Speaker 5 If one of your goats went missing, wouldn't you go looking for it?

Speaker 6 Just hear the goats.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 5 There was no

Speaker 5 shutting them up.

Speaker 3 But they aren't interested.

Speaker 6 Yes. Yeah.
It's a tense scene. It's a tense scene.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. It sounds incredible.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, I love your character because she has so much.

Speaker 6 She's very protective of both the goats and the goat people in your department.

Speaker 6 Which to me is sort of like indicative of there's a lot there that we obviously don't know about.

Speaker 6 But it feels like, again, we've noticed that these departments, first season it was O and D, now it's Mammalians and Urturbal are so, are kept so divided from each other.

Speaker 5 And so suspicious of each other. Yes.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And it sort of takes it to that next level.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And like you, a lot of people had this real reaction to the goats.
It ended up being this sort of hallmark of the show that we didn't really anticipate. I don't know if you did.

Speaker 6 No, no. After the first season, people responded to

Speaker 6 that goat scene, that one scene.

Speaker 6 And we felt like, well, that's good because it's part of what the story's about. But I have to say, though, I do have a fond memory of talking to you when we were prepping.

Speaker 6 You were hanging out somewhere. Maybe it was when you were in the north there with the sheep.

Speaker 6 And I remember just checking in with you once and you said, I'm just, I'm just here with the sheep.

Speaker 2 Yes. Right.

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, because I would go down to the countryside to be around sheep. Yeah.
And I walk through the fields for hours, for days, weeks,

Speaker 7 to develop this, to find this, to be fearless. So that when I was put with the goats, and we went looking for goats, we found goats as well.
And I put my hands, my fingers through the chicken wire.

Speaker 7 So that, and they are freaks goats. They are.
They're really highly intelligent. They climb, they climb up things, they eat things.

Speaker 7 I did everything I could to be around those animals and to also lose my natural prissiness and to get into the guts of the situation.

Speaker 7 I loved it so much. It was thrilling.

Speaker 6 Amazing commitment and it totally pays off in

Speaker 6 the work that you do in this show.

Speaker 5 Gwendolyn, we've been inviting people to call in. to ask questions of the show and the goats have really resonated with people.
So

Speaker 5 about a third of the calls that come in go a little something like this.

Speaker 13 Hello, this is Ashley.

Speaker 14 I am wanting to know whether or not we will find out what is with the goats.

Speaker 1 I was just wondering, what's the deal with the goats?

Speaker 14 How are the baby goats, Dewey, and when will they be ready?

Speaker 15 Just wanted to know if the baby goats is code for sex with Marquess.

Speaker 2 And if the goats are actually people.

Speaker 5 As well as the goats being fed milk. So what's going on here with all this dairy?

Speaker 15 Just wondering, you know, I've been raising them on my own here for a while.

Speaker 15 Just want to know what you guys are going to do with all these babies, all these goats.

Speaker 13 I think that's all my questions for now. Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 Praise Gear.

Speaker 6 Yes. One of those guys sounded like you, Adam.

Speaker 7 He did. I think the guy that sounded like you was the one that asked if the goats stood for sex with Marcus.

Speaker 6 Well, as people will now see that

Speaker 6 there's a reason the goats are there and we're going to find out more and we've found out a little bit.

Speaker 5 And how lucky were we to have Gwendolyn heading up the goat department?

Speaker 6 And to have you on your first podcast.

Speaker 2 Yes. What about that?

Speaker 7 Well, thank you both for making dreams come true. Just something as simple as that.
Putting me on my favorite show on TV.

Speaker 2 A simple thank you.

Speaker 6 Not being an experienced podcaster, I'd say you're a very good podcaster.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 I will never podcast again.

Speaker 6 No, no. Keep it pure.

Speaker 2 That's it. It was this one moment in time.

Speaker 17 That's great.

Speaker 6 Makes it even more special for us.

Speaker 3 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 6 Thanks, Gwendolyn. So great to see you.

Speaker 5 Thank you so much for coming over and doing this. We were in person, by the way.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this is in person, which is

Speaker 6 so much fun in person.

Speaker 7 Yes, it's a lot more fun in person. But I personally love to be a disembodied voice.

Speaker 6 Well, thanks for flying in from England for this.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly. Better catch your flight home.
Pleasure.

Speaker 7 Yeah, straight after this podcast.

Speaker 5 Okay, we're going to take a break. We'll be back right after this.

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Speaker 5 All right, let's get into the rest of the episode. Let's start with the newest Lumen reform, the the visitation suite.
So, while Mark and Helly are looking for Ms.

Speaker 5 Casey, Dylan is meeting his Audi's wife. Should we listen to some of that?

Speaker 12 We have three kids.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 you

Speaker 12 know he, or

Speaker 12 my husband has had trouble keeping other jobs.

Speaker 12 He dumb?

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 12 He a dick? No.

Speaker 12 What is wrong with him? Oh, nothing's wrong with him.

Speaker 12 He just.

Speaker 12 He never quite found his thing.

Speaker 12 So he's actually...

Speaker 12 kind of a fuck-up?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, this is obviously part of Milchik's sort of, you know, manipulation of Dylan that started in the first episode of the season and based on his demand from the end of season one. Yeah.

Speaker 6 It seems to be working. Yes.
You know, that's the thing. Like at the end of season one, Dylan has been, ever since he saw that kid in the closet, you know, there's just no going back from that.

Speaker 6 And we were thinking, okay, who's going to be dylan's wife yeah

Speaker 6 and much like with gwendolyn christie why not just go to one of the great go to the best actresses around and merit weaver agreed to do do the part and she's so organic and um you know i think grounded that that relationship in such a great way and it's just such a you know weird thing where you know what kind of world are we in where a wife is meeting her husband who doesn't know her at all i know and you know what's so great about I mean, one of the thousands of great things about Merit Weaver and her work is in this scene, you can really just read all of that that you were just saying, the strangeness of this and the strangeness of meeting your husband for the first time.

Speaker 5 And he doesn't know who you are. You're reading it all.
They're not talking about that. She's not saying, this is weird because of this, this, and this.

Speaker 5 They're carrying on the scene, but you're seeing it all and feeling it all just from her experiencing it. She's so good.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and it has like a kind of a little bit of a vibe of like almost like a prison visitation scene, even though they've remodeled the security room into this,

Speaker 6 you know, this was a Jeremy Hindel idea to kind of like refabricate the room into this sort of like, you know, kind of lush little, you know, very anodyne kind of warm place that's not, it's a lumen version of warm.

Speaker 6 I like that the

Speaker 6 that the backdrop behind the windows where the computers were is like a sort of like a natural history museum painting of a beach and some gulls yeah and you get the sound effects of seagulls and kind of beachy vibes yes yeah which is just and like reeds like dried reeds it's also condescending yes and

Speaker 6 um but you know what's kind of great is that you start to see this uh this inkling of um what their relationship was

Speaker 6 when they first met.

Speaker 6 And she's seeing that. And Dylan, of course, is just experiencing this woman who he thinks is so cool.

Speaker 5 Yeah, his mind is blown.

Speaker 5 But you can see the sadness in her of, yeah, like you said, like kind of reading this, feeling the sweetness from him and sort of in you starting to learn more about her relationship with Audi Dylan through watching her behavior with any Dylan.

Speaker 5 It's really interesting.

Speaker 6 And his world just kind of turned upside down. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And you're seeing how Milchik being able to hold this over Dylan, the promise of something like this in contact with his family is compromising him in other areas of the episode.

Speaker 5 You see, his interactions with Irv are now slightly compromised.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then, of course, we see back at home

Speaker 6 right after that. Yeah.
oh my god, she's kind of not quite saying what happened to Audi Dylan, which,

Speaker 6 you know, similar to me to season one, Dan's idea of having the Ricken book turn any mark on to Ricken as this sort of, you know, incredible, sort of almost like messianic figure.

Speaker 6 And while on the outside, he, you know, can't stand him. Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's just a simple idea, you know.

Speaker 6 I love this simple idea that could could only happen in this premise of the show, which is that Dylan's wife starts to have these feelings for his innie as if he's another guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, she sort of is keeping things from the Audi and not being completely honest with him about the nature of her experience.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because you get the feeling from that hug that there's a little bit of spark of something, which in a normal world would be like, oh, this is actually, you know, could be good, but they are two separate entities.

Speaker 6 And I don't know. That's just, for me, what's so fun about the show is to be able to explore premises like that.

Speaker 5 For sure. And getting to see Audi Dylan being this guy who

Speaker 5 is a little adrift. He goes to work every day, but he doesn't do, he doesn't, he isn't aware of what he's doing there.

Speaker 5 He can't even get his shit together enough to make the cookies for his daughter's class. He's sort of just

Speaker 5 there.

Speaker 5 And you you can see her kind of holding up everything, kind of, you know, spinning all the plates of the family.

Speaker 6 Yeah, she seems, she has a uniform on. She works in some sort of, I don't think we quite see exactly what it is.

Speaker 6 And Zach Cherry also told me that when he found out Merritt Weaver was doing the show, he was so excited because he's a huge fan of hers, but also I think Zach's wife is like she's her favorite actress.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 2 That's cool.

Speaker 6 You know, we joke with Zach in terms of his actual, you know, commitment level to the reading the scripts or watching the show or, you know, being in 12 different shows, but

Speaker 2 which he is.

Speaker 6 But all joking aside, I mean, it's been so much fun to watch Zach, you know, really rise to the occasion with

Speaker 6 this character and the depth that he shows and the vulnerability and the innocence and the, you know, this, this kind of new, there's the Audi Dylan, but there's also any Dylan is softening.

Speaker 6 And, you know, the guy, the guy who just cares about, you know, finger traps and perks and muscle shows in season one is like starting to like actually, you know, have these like emotional vulnerability.

Speaker 5 Yeah, his world is opening up in a really big way. And Zach is just phenomenal.
Yes. Okay, next up, let's talk about Ms.
Cobel.

Speaker 5 The last time we saw her, she was speeding away in her car, almost running Mark over.

Speaker 5 Now we find her sleeping in her her car on the side of the highway.

Speaker 6 That song that Stone Rose's song Love Spreads, it's not something that probably

Speaker 6 you would guess would be a music cue to go with Kobel.

Speaker 6 But I really felt like Stone Rose's, it's her era.

Speaker 6 If we don't know what time frame the show is actually in, but for Patricia and myself, you know, that 90s era music, it felt like the right era for her.

Speaker 6 And when we put that song on for the radio that she turns on, just there's something about the vibe of that song.

Speaker 6 And then we played that sequence of you going into work and timing how long you can keep an image in your eyes, this weird idea of trying to burn this image into your eyes.

Speaker 6 And you're trying to figure out Audi Mark, how long he can keep that so he could possibly be able to see who is alive on the insides of his eyelids when he comes to as his innie in the elevator.

Speaker 5 That's that's the plan.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, so you do your little experiment. The next time we see Cobel,

Speaker 6 she's driving down the road, this snowy road, and she gets to the sign that says Salt's Neck, 200 and something miles.

Speaker 6 And she has this moment. She looks down to the front passenger seat and we see that little breathing tube.

Speaker 6 We don't know what she's thinking, but we get the sense that maybe something with Salt's Neck and that breathing tube are connected.

Speaker 6 And we know that that breathing tube, if we look closely in the last season, was, you know, had the name Cobel on it.

Speaker 6 And she decides she's not going to go to Salt's Neck. She's going to U-turn and go back.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 we see her pull up in front of Helena.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Helena thinks she's done for the day, walking up to her

Speaker 6 with her ominous-looking driver.

Speaker 6 Kobel says, you know, basically, like, I'll come back, but she has her terms.

Speaker 12 MDR, non-negotiable.

Speaker 12 Marcus

Speaker 12 is so close to completing Cold Harbor.

Speaker 12 I intend to finish the work that I started,

Speaker 12 which is why

Speaker 12 Milchek must go.

Speaker 12 He's not equipped for the task.

Speaker 12 I must be for manager.

Speaker 12 I hear ego,

Speaker 12 hubris,

Speaker 12 arrogance.

Speaker 12 Care teaches us they only cause pain.

Speaker 12 Everything I accomplished, I earned

Speaker 12 through dedication and industry.

Speaker 12 Not because I was born into it.

Speaker 5 She thinks she has some leverage here

Speaker 5 and says, you owe me this. I'm integral to this company.
But she wants to get rid of Milchik and get her job back.

Speaker 5 And Helena is just sort of, just sort of shrugs it off and invites her in the building to discuss it further.

Speaker 6 And this is the, you know, the second time we get to see this dynamic, the flipped dynamic of Helena in charge of Kobell.

Speaker 6 And there's this really kind of weird moment where you don't know what's being inferred, but basically Helena is saying, like, you know, we could do whatever we want.

Speaker 6 And she says, come meet the board, come talk to the board. And Kobel goes with her until she gets close to the car and she sees Helena's driver.
And there's this moment.

Speaker 6 We don't know what it is, but it just feels wrong. Something in her gut feels wrong.

Speaker 5 I think that she's unsure.

Speaker 3 She's not completely sure.

Speaker 5 but she's unsure if she'll ever come out of that building again if she follows her in there.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's very, it's all implied and sort of

Speaker 6 vibe completely.

Speaker 6 but something in her says she doesn't want to go in there and she turns around and drives off and it's just so fun watching them and how great Britt is as Helena it's just so much fun yeah no it's I mean this so far this season you know to see Helena as a

Speaker 6 character it's basically a brand new character yeah and I think Britt you know has really the way that you guys have delineated these innies and outies is just just always so much fun to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then the end of the episode, when you see Rigabi,

Speaker 6 I think, you know, kind of like sort of jump-starts us into the propulsion and the forward momentum of the season, and you decide to go in for this reintegration idea.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, finally, Mark gets an actual answer, a black and white answer to the question, is Gemma actually alive or not?

Speaker 6 Let's listen to that scene.

Speaker 12 How could you not tell me?

Speaker 12 We were interrupted, if you recall.

Speaker 12 Mark,

Speaker 12 I want to help you, but you have to trust me.

Speaker 12 There is one way and one way only to get information in and out of Lomen, and that's reintegration. I'm better at it now.
I can make it work with you.

Speaker 12 I can sew together a version of you that loves her with a version of you that can't. Yes, do it.

Speaker 12 you sure

Speaker 2 i want to see my wife

Speaker 6 i remember when we were talking about how to do this scene where rigabi tells you she is alive and this is the moment now where you're ready to accept it because you've i think you've kind of heard it enough yeah the ground's been softened enough and i feel like that's that's believable but we were talking i remember we went out to the parking lot to like figure out what the angles were for the car scene of her in the car talking to you and telling you this.

Speaker 6 And you said to me, when you hear that news, instead of just sitting there, you said, I think I might want to go outside and maybe get like almost might make me sick.

Speaker 6 Or, you know, and that physical reaction when you get such momentous news. Yeah.
And I remember we talked about that and you kind of did what you thought you might do there.

Speaker 6 And I think that ended up making the scene a lot more interesting visually too, in terms of and motivated

Speaker 6 for when you decide, yeah, you're going to, you know, you decide you want it. Cause you have to make this decision of, yes, I'm going to go for this.
I want, I want to see my wife again.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And it's something that's sort of been building over these first few episodes, which is to actually get someone to believe that someone that they've been grieving is still alive, we all felt like it was something that he needed to hear many, many times before before he would believe it.

Speaker 5 And this is the point where he does. So that's why I love working with you so much is that we're in a situation like that, and I get an instinct that this kind of news would drive me to,

Speaker 5 you know, feel sweaty and hot and nauseous. And whether I actually throw up or not.

Speaker 5 It's too big a moment to contain it in the car. That's just emotionally what I thought was going on.
And you're kind of there to go along on that ride and kind of agreed with it.

Speaker 5 So we kind of took the scene outside of the car.

Speaker 5 That's really, really fun to come up with that stuff with you on set.

Speaker 6 And I think it's important too, because that leads to the next moment in the scene where you do agree to the reintegration right on the spot. So

Speaker 6 I think that buildup to you saying, yes, let's do it, is more believable because you've had that reaction to the news building building up to it.

Speaker 6 Because it is a place also where the tempo of our storytelling shifts

Speaker 6 really quickly

Speaker 6 into

Speaker 6 boom, you know, hard cut to you in the basement with Rigabi. She set up the

Speaker 6 homemade equipment and we're just going for it.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 there's another version of it where it could take another whole two episodes to get to that.

Speaker 6 But by believing that decision for you by the reaction you had to the news, to me, like then makes that next part of it believable.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the episode easily could have ended on, let's, I want to find my wife. And then we get to that event.
But yeah, we just jumped right into the reintegration stuff.

Speaker 6 All right, before we go, it's time to check in with our buddy, Zach Cherry, and see what he actually thinks is going to happen in episode four.

Speaker 6 Because for real, he has not seen any of the episodes until they air. He doesn't see them.
And

Speaker 6 it's really questionable how much he actually engages in the.

Speaker 5 He essentially reads his lines his lines yeah that's it he learns them phonetically i i heard that yeah

Speaker 6 hey man hey adam it's me again i'm here to uh fulfill my solemn duty of of delivering predictions on what's going to happen in the next episode of severance and you know i do take this very seriously because i think our show sometimes you need a little help figuring out what's going on so i hope i i'm here to help the fans and provide them with a valuable service now let's get into it.

Speaker 6 Next time on Severance.

Speaker 6 We've now seen Mark's early time as an Innie during his reintegration process.

Speaker 6 And I think we're going to go even further back and we're going to see what was happening in Keir at the time of the dinosaur. What? Maybe there's a dinosaur named Dylan and a dinosaur named Irving.

Speaker 2 and they're also friends.

Speaker 5 That makes no sense.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I feel like he put as much thought into that as he does into anything else. Though I do like the

Speaker 6 some good apple tie-in with one of their

Speaker 6 nature shows or something.

Speaker 5 I just love the idea of a dinosaur named Dylan and a dinosaur named Irv.

Speaker 6 That could be another DreamWorks franchise

Speaker 6 in the works.

Speaker 3 Okay, so

Speaker 5 on that note, that is it for this episode of the Severance Podcast with Ben and Adam. We'll be back next week to to talk about season two, episode four.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and thanks again to Gwendolyn and Christie. It's just the best ever.
And you can stream every episode of Severance on Apple TV Plus with new episodes coming out every Friday.

Speaker 5 And then make sure you're listening to our podcast, which drops right after the episode airs.

Speaker 5 The Severance Podcast with Ben Stiller and Adam Scott is a presentation of Odyssey, Pineapple Street Studios, Red Hour Productions, and Great Scott Productions.

Speaker 6 If you like the show, be sure to rate and review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, the Odyssey app, or your other podcast platform of choice.

Speaker 6 Our executive producers are Barry Finkel, Henry Malofsky, Gabrielle Lewis, Jenner Weiss-Berman, and Leah Rhys-Dennis. This show is produced by Xandra Ellen, Ben Goldberg, and Naomi Scott.

Speaker 6 This episode was mixed and mastered by Chris Basil. We had additional engineering from Hobby Crustis and Davey Sumner.

Speaker 5 Show clips are courtesy of fifth season. Music by Theodore Shapiro.

Speaker 5 Special thanks to the team at Odyssey, Maura Curran, Eric Donnelly, Michael LeVay, Melissa Wester, Matt Casey, Kate Rose, Kurt Courtney, and Hilary Schuff.

Speaker 6 And the team at Red Hour, John Lescher, Carolina Pesakov, Gian Pablo Antonetti, Martin Balderutin, Ashwin Ramesh, Maria Noto, John Baker, and Oliver Acker.

Speaker 5 And at Great Scott, Kevin Cotter, Josh Martin, and Christy Smith at Rise Management.

Speaker 6 We had additional production help help from Kristen Torres and Melissa Slaughter. I'm Ben Stiller.

Speaker 5 And I'm Adam Scott.

Speaker 6 Thank you for listening.

Speaker 5 And may Kira bless our little goat friends.

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