#158 Călin Georgescu - Does Romania's Coup Reveal NATO's Desperation to Push WW3?

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Speaker 1 Mr. Colleen Georgescu,

Speaker 1 thank you for having me here today. I know we have a lot to talk about.

Speaker 1 One of the most talked about political things right now in Europe, and I understand the importance of it and the timeliness of it. And so I just appreciate you being me here today.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you for having me. Bye.
It's my honor.

Speaker 1 Quick introduction.

Speaker 1 You are at the center of one of the most talked about political events in Europe right now. You ran as an independent nationalist candidate who unexpectedly stirred up a political storm in Romania.

Speaker 1 The first round of voting, you won with 23% of the vote. On December 4th, the U.S.
expressed concerns over Russian involvement in cyber activities influencing this election.

Speaker 1 On December 6th, the Romanian Constitutional Court annulled the results due to allegations of the Russian interference with zero evidence. You are known to be a man of the people,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 you are a believer in Jesus Christ, from what I understand.

Speaker 1 And so before I start, I found a verse that I thought was very fitting for what you're going through, what the U.S. is going through, and what the world is going through right now.

Speaker 1 It's Ephesians 6, 12.

Speaker 1 For we are not fighting against flesh and blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world and against evil spirits in heavenly places.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Just one mention that independent, yes, but dependent by the Romanian people.

Speaker 1 I am for the working class. I am for the working families.
I am for the

Speaker 1 to foster the domestic economy and to don't depend about others, but looks that it is wrong for the oligarch system.

Speaker 1 Which, by the way, in order to start, I am

Speaker 1 to be very clear,

Speaker 1 I am not a political correct person.

Speaker 1 And I am

Speaker 1 against

Speaker 1 or I am anti

Speaker 1 oligarch system, I am anti-woke,

Speaker 1 I am anti-LGBT.

Speaker 1 And let's be very clear, we are with God and we are for our land. And this have to be for all the countries around the world, not only for Romania.
If it's a signal for Romania,

Speaker 1 it's great. But in any case, we have to be free

Speaker 1 men, free people.

Speaker 1 as the God blessing us from the very beginning. But looks at the oligarch system,

Speaker 1 which already they lost, they didn't know yet,

Speaker 1 or they know that they don't want to realize that has happened, what has happened. I think they know.
We dance, I am telling you, Sean. I think they know.
We are dancing now.

Speaker 1 You know, I've seen a lot of similarities from what I've gathered

Speaker 1 with this election that's happening in Romania right now. also with the 2020 election in the United States and the election that we just went through.

Speaker 1 And so I know you have a limited time and you're a busy man. And so I want to start with what are the allegations against you?

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 1 Lies

Speaker 1 rush.

Speaker 1 Truth waits

Speaker 1 always.

Speaker 1 Because we cannot

Speaker 1 do a changement if we are not say the truth. The truth is the most important part of our life.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 all this stuff are related to his

Speaker 1 interference from Russia, which

Speaker 1 doesn't exist. I have no any relationship myself.

Speaker 1 And besides, there are zero

Speaker 1 proofs in general what they are talking about.

Speaker 1 How do they think think Russia interfered? What are they saying?

Speaker 1 They are saying that they interviewed, but they don't explain how.

Speaker 1 Important is they don't, even the former president,

Speaker 1 Johannes, had an interview in December.

Speaker 1 And the journalist asked him exactly as you asked me now.

Speaker 1 And he said,

Speaker 1 we have no proofs. We have just

Speaker 1 we suspect, we have a suspicion.

Speaker 1 So there was a very broad

Speaker 1 statement, yeah. No specifics.
No specific

Speaker 1 even

Speaker 1 in the Bucharest court

Speaker 1 where we have, I mean,

Speaker 1 they have no evidence.

Speaker 1 Did this stem from the Biden administration?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, what I want to say is from the beginning that the second round of elections

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 illegally and unconstitutionally cancelled.

Speaker 1 They stolen the vote of the people.

Speaker 1 New elections, or they are talking now, are fraud,

Speaker 1 even bigger.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the Romanian

Speaker 1 people are aware

Speaker 1 that was a coup d'etat

Speaker 1 order from abroad and implemented

Speaker 1 by Romanian oligarchs

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 I want to underline the most important

Speaker 1 sentence of our

Speaker 1 conversation today. They are alert about the word peace

Speaker 1 because they need war.

Speaker 1 And from only beginning, now and forever,

Speaker 1 I am the person for peace. I am the president of peace.
And all my campaign was for peace. And I said, we don't need war.

Speaker 1 We need just peace.

Speaker 1 And when they asked me different,

Speaker 1 let's say, legacy media,

Speaker 1 which sometimes

Speaker 1 they prefer the lies instead of truths,

Speaker 1 I said, yes, yes, I shall stop in the first second.

Speaker 1 Any contribution from Romania for this war.

Speaker 1 Who are some of these oligarchs in Romania?

Speaker 1 What do they do?

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 the system is everywhere. The system is in

Speaker 1 civil servants.

Speaker 1 It's in a

Speaker 1 system.

Speaker 1 They are in a network

Speaker 1 made by

Speaker 1 Soros from early beginning of 19.

Speaker 1 From Soros? George Soros, yeah.

Speaker 1 George Soros that just got the...

Speaker 1 Which is the same situation as he made everywhere.

Speaker 1 And was a civil society destroyed totally from 1990.

Speaker 1 And I wish to be very clear that in the first minute, when I shall be official president, the SORASH network in Romania

Speaker 1 will be banned.

Speaker 1 Banned

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 did

Speaker 1 a lot of damage for our country and for our people.

Speaker 1 A lot.

Speaker 1 A lot. Significant.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you. And it's not only for Romania.
And by the way, this situation we diminish now, they set

Speaker 1 a dangerous

Speaker 1 situation, you know, a dangerous

Speaker 1 precedent, not only for Romania, for the whole world,

Speaker 1 and most

Speaker 1 special for the United States.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 I know and I was trained and I received

Speaker 1 the massive

Speaker 1 the massive

Speaker 1 constructive

Speaker 1 education in the United States. I remember very well in 1992 when I was first time in the United States.

Speaker 1 I remember with,

Speaker 1 okay, in the idea of environment, which is my background, but

Speaker 1 I learned about

Speaker 1 the idea, the strong idea of Thomas Jefferson, of Lincoln, of Washington. What does mean to democracy? What is democracy today? They installed the dictatorship with this situation.

Speaker 1 And again, they set a dangerous

Speaker 1 situation,

Speaker 1 a dangerous

Speaker 1 precedent.

Speaker 1 for what will happen next in United States, because they don't understand

Speaker 1 Washington particularly today or the new administration

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 this could be a wave

Speaker 1 very dangerous for all of us it's not only for Romania our dialogue today is not only for Romania honestly speaking you are here because you are aware

Speaker 1 as we we changed some words before our interview, that the situation is terribly dangerous everywhere. And particularly exactly

Speaker 1 in the country where we are looking all of us for the big changement,

Speaker 1 for the freedom, for the real democracy.

Speaker 1 I mean, after so many years,

Speaker 1 we arrive in the point that they

Speaker 1 impose

Speaker 1 the dictatorship.

Speaker 1 And this is very dangerous because, again, it's a precedent for all of us,

Speaker 1 for the whole world right now.

Speaker 1 Yes, a lot of people, including Romania, they are looking for January 20.

Speaker 1 But I don't know

Speaker 1 if we shall arrive to January 20 and all of us will be happy on that. The only thing which I can guarantee today to you

Speaker 1 is what's happening in Romania is

Speaker 1 one very important step. The people are together.

Speaker 1 We are one.

Speaker 1 And this is very important.

Speaker 1 Because the people, they realize

Speaker 1 what is going on and they realize the situation and they realize that

Speaker 1 the system must expose

Speaker 1 his corruption.

Speaker 1 This is extremely important for us. Of course,

Speaker 1 this is not justice,

Speaker 1 not only Romania. Justice doesn't exist

Speaker 1 in one country. When is the last time that Romania had a president that wasn't under the influence of oligarchs in the deep state? Has there ever been? It was started already in

Speaker 1 1990. So 1989 was a

Speaker 1 coup d'état together with

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 revolutionary act. from the people, the true believers at the time, okay, but in fact was a coup d'état.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Soros network particularly,

Speaker 1 they stolen

Speaker 1 the country

Speaker 1 immediately. And we arrive today

Speaker 1 with

Speaker 1 zero capacity

Speaker 1 in order to produce our domestic economy.

Speaker 1 And in general, the people are some is another country, another Romanian country is abroad, which is,

Speaker 1 of course,

Speaker 1 it's very dangerous and it's not good for us. So it's one country outside, one country inside.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they don't left for good.

Speaker 1 They left Romania because they need decent work and they need a... a dignity, you know.

Speaker 1 When it comes to the allegations against the Russian influence and the election process right now, I just want to ask you,

Speaker 1 man-to-man, have you had any contact with Vladimir Putin? No, zero, absolutely zero. Is anybody in your campaign that you're aware of? Nobody.

Speaker 1 Important is particularly myself. I have no relationship,

Speaker 1 no contacts, no communication.

Speaker 1 Just I know, like you, from the TV, this is all.

Speaker 1 But in any case,

Speaker 1 important is that

Speaker 1 nobody asks official

Speaker 1 them.

Speaker 1 I mean, in a sense, those guys which they accuse us, and I'm speaking about the Romanian side,

Speaker 1 they didn't

Speaker 1 ask the Russian embassy or official,

Speaker 1 let's say,

Speaker 1 conversation with

Speaker 1 them.

Speaker 1 What is going on here? No.

Speaker 1 And it's zero evidence.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 from my side, as I said, it's

Speaker 1 zero contract. From their side, no evidence.
So

Speaker 1 everything which is going on today

Speaker 1 in the whole world is because is Russian influence.

Speaker 1 Seems to be the commonality. So

Speaker 1 exactly. It's like

Speaker 1 meat.

Speaker 1 They did the same thing against President Trump, and that wound up being a hoax.

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Speaker 1 Exactly. So don't forget that in the allegation from Trump before,

Speaker 1 it's absolutely equal with what I receive. It's just they change Trump with Georgia Scottish is all.

Speaker 1 But in fact, they are the same.

Speaker 1 When it comes to the Russian-Ukraine war, do you lean towards the Russian side? Do you have a stance on that? What would you like the outcome to be?

Speaker 1 So, first of all,

Speaker 1 you can not

Speaker 1 put weapons

Speaker 1 before dialogue.

Speaker 1 Doesn't exist dialogue.

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 is just you know the the the war

Speaker 1 has

Speaker 1 his

Speaker 1 invisible side

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 behind

Speaker 1 the war is

Speaker 1 head of snake, which is a financial banking system.

Speaker 1 They need, as I said to you before, they are alert of the word peace because they need war.

Speaker 1 Because war does mean a lot of influence and money, and in general, the objective are the natural resources.

Speaker 1 We have problems,

Speaker 1 a lot of problems as a country, not only from now, in the history.

Speaker 1 Why? Because we are rich as a country.

Speaker 1 Very rich country is Afghanistan. Very rich country is Ukraine.
Extremely rich country is Russia.

Speaker 1 There are a few countries, very, very, very, very rich.

Speaker 1 Look Africa, why Africa is like this.

Speaker 1 Because it's very rich. In fact, it's a

Speaker 1 As continent, of course, is very rich, but all the countries are very rich in Africa.

Speaker 1 I know that there is a lot of Russian and Chinese influence in

Speaker 1 Africa

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 of those resources. Those resources, exactly.
But besides

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 they give to them the chance to be free

Speaker 1 as before the colonist colonist British regime,

Speaker 1 you know, what they they they did.

Speaker 1 The s the the

Speaker 1 slavery is very, very present today. It's not abolished.

Speaker 1 So when it comes, I just want to read, I want to ask my question, are you pro-Russia in the Ukraine war, yes or no? I'm pro-Romanian. You're pro-Romanian.
I don't care what is going on there.

Speaker 1 It's just my business.

Speaker 1 It's not my business. How you can have a war in the middle of Europe? Just think about that.

Speaker 1 It's a crazy time. I mean,

Speaker 1 it's incredible. I mean, I was trained for diplomacy, for dialogue.

Speaker 1 We have all the capacity in a dialogue to discuss about peace. Nobody needs about peace.

Speaker 1 I understood,

Speaker 1 or I had a number, that

Speaker 1 United States and together with Europe, till now,

Speaker 1 they invest more than 300 million

Speaker 1 in this world.

Speaker 1 Could be wrong, could be right, I don't know. But anyway, looks that it's most probably that.
So,

Speaker 1 how you can do this money

Speaker 1 in the moment when you have more than more

Speaker 1 than 25% of the

Speaker 1 whole world is under the level of poverty, which has been

Speaker 1 below $2 per day.

Speaker 1 Okay?

Speaker 1 Have you been sometime in Africa? I have been in Africa. I have many times, eight years.
And I know the situation there.

Speaker 1 They invest in both sides and they fight.

Speaker 1 What does it mean this for

Speaker 1 this third millennium?

Speaker 1 Where do we arrive as people, as human beings, besides

Speaker 1 our national countries and our nationalism and our freedom, the most important is we are very, very close to lose the humanity from us.

Speaker 1 And this is my way with my people.

Speaker 1 Again, I'm not pro-Samo, I'm not pro-American, I'm not pro-Chinese, I'm not pro-Russia, I'm not pro-Ukraine, I'm just pro-Romanian, but I'm pro-humanity.

Speaker 1 This is a most important part of

Speaker 1 my campaign and my way.

Speaker 1 Would it be fair to say you're just totally indifferent to the Russia-Ukraine situation? Your only concern is you don't want Romania involved?

Speaker 1 Could be more specific.

Speaker 1 You just don't want Romania involved in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Yes, I don't want to involve my country there.

Speaker 1 It's not our war.

Speaker 1 We have to take care about our land,

Speaker 1 only about our land, about our welfare, about our families.

Speaker 1 I wish,

Speaker 1 and I definitely

Speaker 1 have to be a president who takes care about the children,

Speaker 1 to take care about the families,

Speaker 1 and to take care about the peace inside.

Speaker 1 The peace for the whole world comes from our peace,

Speaker 1 from us, from inside us.

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Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 what is

Speaker 1 what the legacy media is doing is exactly what is not truth.

Speaker 1 And this is the main important point. I mean, who has a first power in the

Speaker 1 world? I'm telling you, legacy media.

Speaker 1 And this is a very, very dangerous situation.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 if you are speaking or if you are writing because someone behind you pay you,

Speaker 1 exactly as Trump said, follow the water.

Speaker 1 You know, I think that the world is on the precipice of a media revolution and legacy media every day is losing more and more credibility. Legacy media, yes.

Speaker 1 The media landscape is being revolutionized by podcasts like this. Indeed.
Indeed. And moreover, it's

Speaker 1 the people, they have to recognize

Speaker 1 what's happening in Romania, because Romania made act of that,

Speaker 1 of dignity, of honor,

Speaker 1 which not exists.

Speaker 1 too much spread in the world today.

Speaker 1 So the Romanian people, they are looking for the dignity of human beings. They are looking for the dignity of our country.

Speaker 1 To be,

Speaker 1 to weigh the respect, you have to respect first yourself.

Speaker 1 You know, and it's not secure for any person today, in the world,

Speaker 1 because it's not a code of morality.

Speaker 1 doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 And for this reason, I said what has happened now in Romania and there's no reaction from abroad, especially from the United States.

Speaker 1 They don't understand what is going on here. Because if they use Romania as a door for war,

Speaker 1 what would be next?

Speaker 1 So first of all, they killed the democracy.

Speaker 1 They installed a dictatorship.

Speaker 1 Would be a precedent, as I said, for the whole world, and especially for the United States.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 all the people, they are looking for the changement which President Trump will arrive

Speaker 1 soon.

Speaker 1 How can do that if it's not reaction exactly to the

Speaker 1 main important

Speaker 1 door

Speaker 1 for the democracy and of the situation which is today?

Speaker 1 I mean, again, this was happening the last year in December 6,

Speaker 1 when they canceled, as I said, the second round of election.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they definitely installed a dictatorship in Romania.

Speaker 1 So today,

Speaker 1 it's quite more than one month. No reaction.

Speaker 1 I can understand the situation, official

Speaker 1 to be recognized, to be official installed, but even that,

Speaker 1 you can

Speaker 1 have a reaction.

Speaker 1 No reaction.

Speaker 1 And this is also, I said, for the Romanian people, it's important because

Speaker 1 we expose the corruption of the system with this situation. And we expose the corruption everywhere.
Because I said, the Romanian people, I said in the early beginning,

Speaker 1 is aware of the fact that it was a coup d'état, exactly as I said,

Speaker 1 Order from abroad

Speaker 1 and implemented by the Romanian oligarchs.

Speaker 1 European Union is totally for this war.

Speaker 1 We are not. It's not our war.
It's not our problem. Again,

Speaker 1 we are looking just for peace.

Speaker 1 I don't want to see one man,

Speaker 1 one young man,

Speaker 1 to be involved in this

Speaker 1 situation.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people agree with you on that. Exactly.
I want to move to your campaign.

Speaker 1 It's my understanding that your campaign did not require a lot of money, a lot of capital. You don't trust the legacy media and you took to social media.

Speaker 1 What we saw in 2020 during the Trump Biden election is Mark Zuckerberg completely de-platformed President Trump. He wasn't allowed to use

Speaker 1 any social media platforms. Jack Dorsey kicked him off of Twitter.

Speaker 1 I believe even Google

Speaker 1 also de-platformed him. Are you experiencing any deplatforming or censorship on any of your social media campaigns?

Speaker 1 Sean, first of all, the social media was used by

Speaker 1 all the politicians, correct, everywhere. I mean, it's not myself

Speaker 1 first. But in our specific case,

Speaker 1 our campaign used zero budget, because this was my wish.

Speaker 1 In order to foster

Speaker 1 and to

Speaker 1 Yeah, to foster the Romanian people for

Speaker 1 the future and for our real democracy and freedom. This was my decision, no budget for that.

Speaker 1 So the narrative changed the situation. My narrative, not the social media.
Social media was just a network in order to

Speaker 1 roll the

Speaker 1 narrative, the ideas. Yes, indeed.
But this was made by thousands. hundred thousand people.

Speaker 1 I was not involved on that.

Speaker 1 I made this just with a few

Speaker 1 people, was just a few team, a small team,

Speaker 1 and we spread this.

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Speaker 1 If the people they invest their self, it's not my business. I don't know nothing.
Nothing.

Speaker 1 Nothing, absolutely nothing. I don't know who made and why they made.

Speaker 1 So is no any influence of that.

Speaker 1 Again, zero.

Speaker 1 We are here and we trust

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 our land, we trust in God, and this is all which we need.

Speaker 1 So the problem is, Sean, is you can see also your question, which is normal to

Speaker 1 give to me, is that the people they don't realize they could be

Speaker 1 in other form,

Speaker 1 this campaign, because simply they remain in their

Speaker 1 track and they don't believe there could be

Speaker 1 other

Speaker 1 solution,

Speaker 1 other alternative why

Speaker 1 could be

Speaker 1 why you have to remain

Speaker 1 because we are not free

Speaker 1 for this reason we are not free in our mind to think that

Speaker 1 can be

Speaker 1 another alternative

Speaker 1 we can think different

Speaker 1 how have they

Speaker 1 how have they shut you down it's my understanding you won you won the first round with 23 percent of the vote am i correct on that this is correct after of course they they stole in a lot this probably was more than 30 percent but it was more than 30 percent yeah yeah because uh we know from from our calculation but in any case was

Speaker 1 23rd as you said and i want to mention it early beginning they put me on the on the screen with less than one percent until the end of the day. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, for this reason, I mean, all the calculations for them, they were wrong, totally wrong, or manipulate.

Speaker 1 What means do you think they'll go to to try to stop you? I mean, we talked about how they deplatformed Trump in 2020. This election, we saw two assassination attempts.

Speaker 1 We've seen false allegations with

Speaker 1 all kinds of things

Speaker 1 in Georgia and New York. And so,

Speaker 1 what are you expecting to deal with as

Speaker 1 this election kind of resurfaces? From what I understand,

Speaker 1 is it May that they'll redo the election?

Speaker 1 This year. Yes.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yesterday they promoted that. Exactly as I said,

Speaker 1 new elections are fraud, even bigger than what they made already.

Speaker 1 Because we discuss about the second round

Speaker 1 cancel

Speaker 1 illegally and unconstitutional

Speaker 1 how did they do that simply like that by

Speaker 1 by an order

Speaker 1 are you explaining because the romanian constitutional court

Speaker 1 is something which they made from early beginning in order to help them help the system, the oligarch system in any situation. Which does mean what they did is finish.
If they said our dialogue today,

Speaker 1 Collinus Sean

Speaker 1 is wrong, they cancel.

Speaker 1 Is Romania in the midst of a coup right now?

Speaker 1 Indeed. That's what's happening.
And it's a coup d'état

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 no shame

Speaker 1 in front of all the

Speaker 1 world.

Speaker 1 And the problem,

Speaker 1 Sean, is no reaction.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 just a reaction from our people, of course from the Romanian people, also from abroad. This is absolutely clear everyone in Europe.
You have seen also in Canada and not only also in the United States.

Speaker 1 I'm speaking about Romanian people.

Speaker 1 But no official

Speaker 1 position.

Speaker 1 So in other words, what is going on here?

Speaker 1 We accept the dictatorship

Speaker 1 does

Speaker 1 mean

Speaker 1 that even the United States,

Speaker 1 they accept this.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 maybe tomorrow we can see in front of us that

Speaker 1 it's happening the same dictatorship in Washington. I don't know.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this precedent is very, very dangerous

Speaker 1 because nobody acts.

Speaker 1 I ask you how the former president, which is still totally illegal in the position today, how he can

Speaker 1 have any international meeting or position

Speaker 1 because he is illegal. The government is illegal.
Everything is illegal after the December 6th last year.

Speaker 1 Nobody said anything.

Speaker 1 How much of this coup has to do with the NATO base that they're building in Romania right now? From my understanding, this will be

Speaker 1 the biggest NATO base ever to be built in Europe, 1.5 times bigger than Ramstein Air Base.

Speaker 1 I understood also this. 10,000 troops.
I understood. I understood.
By the way, they are not Romanians.

Speaker 1 So probably they had a plan before and the Romanian people, they changed their plan. And for this reason, they put constitutional court to stop and to cancel the second round.

Speaker 1 Because again, I was and I am and I shall be forever for peace.

Speaker 1 Why you have to

Speaker 1 have war? Why you have to... We don't need war.
This is my point. What will the implications of Romania be

Speaker 1 if the NATO basis goes to completion?

Speaker 1 Will be a way for

Speaker 1 a dangerous situation of democracy in the United States.

Speaker 1 This is an important point.

Speaker 1 I would think it would be a major, there would be major implications for Romania, too, if Russia decides to strike that base. It's true, but also for the United States, because from

Speaker 1 United States, we are looking for the democracy. That's it.
This is a point, which I said to you.

Speaker 1 And here we are,

Speaker 1 exactly on this point: that

Speaker 1 the situation and

Speaker 1 the whole

Speaker 1 system of democracy is affected everywhere today.

Speaker 1 Looks what's happening in Canada. It's a wave

Speaker 1 of changement.

Speaker 1 And the real people,

Speaker 1 as

Speaker 1 President Trump don't realize what is going on here.

Speaker 1 What is happening in Canada? What is happening in Austria? What is happening in France? You know very well. In Germany, by the way, in Europe.

Speaker 1 Okay, I can understand that each country has its own problem and not

Speaker 1 easy to manage.

Speaker 1 Especially the debt,

Speaker 1 correct?

Speaker 1 The debt, the loans we dated before.

Speaker 1 We discussed in the United States about 35 trillions

Speaker 1 debt, which is not easy to be managed. I can understand, even for us, but still it's a problem of human being communication.

Speaker 1 Is a human being, you know, part of this life related to his

Speaker 1 God?

Speaker 1 If in the notes of one dollar, is we trust in God, is real

Speaker 1 or not?

Speaker 1 This is my question

Speaker 1 for Washington.

Speaker 1 We trust in God.

Speaker 1 We trust in Romania, for sure. Otherwise, we cannot arrive here.
We don't arrive here without that.

Speaker 1 God

Speaker 1 made

Speaker 1 us

Speaker 1 to arrive here

Speaker 1 in this point. And for sure

Speaker 1 we shall continue this way

Speaker 1 of dignity.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 have faith,

Speaker 1 Sean.

Speaker 1 And exactly here we are today.

Speaker 1 You have or you don't have faith.

Speaker 1 This is the main important point of our dialogue today.

Speaker 1 And this is my message.

Speaker 1 You trust or not in God? Because here is

Speaker 1 a spiritual level.

Speaker 1 This is absolutely clear.

Speaker 1 And it's not just

Speaker 1 a matter of, let's say, economic situation, which I can understand. but it's not

Speaker 1 it's nothing more than that we are here in a historical

Speaker 1 situation

Speaker 1 for a big shift

Speaker 1 after 2,000 years

Speaker 1 of,

Speaker 1 let's say, of

Speaker 1 no real democracy, especially the last 100 years. Romanian people, we don't play games.

Speaker 1 We are very, very straight for our dignity and for our honor.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we are totally convinced and

Speaker 1 commit

Speaker 1 to continue

Speaker 1 for the dignity of

Speaker 1 us, of human beings,

Speaker 1 besides anything else.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, it doesn't mean that what you are doing in this world,

Speaker 1 why you arrive here, It's a question. Why we are here?

Speaker 1 For what purpose? What is our way?

Speaker 1 Why you arrive special in this time? No, 100 years ago or 500 years ago.

Speaker 1 The world is definitely at a

Speaker 1 major decision point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we have to...

Speaker 1 to recognize the consciousness we have to conduct us

Speaker 1 could you be a little bit more specific as to the the consequences to the united states

Speaker 1 if the nato base does go to completion

Speaker 1 very good question

Speaker 1 nato based on its own constitution is a defensive organization correct this everybody is knowing that perfect

Speaker 1 for this reason we

Speaker 1 we as people even for European Union, even for NATO, we are totally agree and we like to be like that. It's fine.
Again, it's fine.

Speaker 1 But in the moment when you change the constitution and you want to be an offensive organization, it's changed the game, in the middle of the game,

Speaker 1 change the rules.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 here we cannot accept this point.

Speaker 1 Because if they change the rule and NATO becomes an offensive organization,

Speaker 1 does mean that it's not anymore NATO, correct? Correct. That's where I think it's.
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Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 Zelensky

Speaker 1 won

Speaker 1 the PR war.

Speaker 1 But Putin won. the real war.
This is the difference.

Speaker 1 And the legacy media,

Speaker 1 they are talking about other things, which is not the truth.

Speaker 1 What is I said in the early beginning to you

Speaker 1 lies

Speaker 1 rush?

Speaker 1 The truth waits.

Speaker 1 So this NATO base, just to be clear, the biggest NATO base ever to be built in Europe is going to be constructive to conduct a major offensive into Russia.

Speaker 1 Exactly, this is a word, offensive, which is wrong.

Speaker 1 Way.

Speaker 1 And we cannot accept this.

Speaker 1 Simply that. Because it's not our business.
It's not our war again.

Speaker 1 We have no, how I can say,

Speaker 1 it's not evidence. There doesn't exist evidence on that.
Why we have to be involved on that. We have not reason to do that.

Speaker 1 And again,

Speaker 1 you cannot change the rules

Speaker 1 during the game.

Speaker 1 If you do win the presidency here,

Speaker 1 we reconstruct the Romanian government. How much we have to.

Speaker 1 How much of the government is corrupt? All.

Speaker 1 All of it. All of them.
How we reconstruct that?

Speaker 1 It's very simple.

Speaker 1 Very simple.

Speaker 1 You don't have to do something specific for that.

Speaker 1 But for sure, in the moment when the productive property

Speaker 1 is spread everywhere, that means you spread the power to each citizen.

Speaker 1 You got my point? Because each of them

Speaker 1 will be free.

Speaker 1 He has the capacity to produce profit with his own hands and the state help him because the private property is a key element

Speaker 1 and here i am exactly as thomas jefferson made

Speaker 1 i don't invade the the the wheel i'm telling you i'm just i learn from our predecessors as thomas jefferson was for me it's an absolute ideal one

Speaker 1 and here we discuss about how we can spread the productive property how we can spread the the power to the people in order to produce goods

Speaker 1 and value to add it.

Speaker 1 And we don't sell

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 the natural resources

Speaker 1 like that. We sell value to add it.

Speaker 1 You don't sell the timber, you sell the

Speaker 1 chair, or you sell the

Speaker 1 furniture. You sell the products paid from the resources.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this does mean that in the moment when you empower your people

Speaker 1 to produce and to foster the domestic economy, the country immediately they clean the corruption.

Speaker 1 Because the corruption now dictates, what dictate? Dictate the process.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 in the moment when they dictate this,

Speaker 1 the big fish eat the small fish

Speaker 1 and it's finished.

Speaker 1 i mean the the domestic product the domestic people they don't have any word to say the farmers in romania

Speaker 1 they are under the dictatorship of the oligarch system

Speaker 1 so just

Speaker 1 and this was my plan my program food water and energy exactly as

Speaker 1 Kennedy spoke in the United States, even Trump, Kennedy was very specific.

Speaker 1 We have to change the agriculture. We have to give real food to our children because we are sick as a nation.
Exactly, this is happening, but my program was more or less more specific on that.

Speaker 1 Food, water, and energy. We produce food,

Speaker 1 good quality of food, natural food. water, good quality, energy.
We have all the energy is necessary. Why you have to import energy? This is very, very basic things which we have to do.

Speaker 1 So in other words, we change

Speaker 1 the situation,

Speaker 1 change the economic situation. This is a big changement which we have to do.
So we don't change the people, we change the system.

Speaker 1 You got my point? I get your point.

Speaker 1 What kind of energy? How are you going to expand that?

Speaker 1 We have a lot of water.

Speaker 1 Hydro. Hydro.
So first of all, hydro is top. We have oil a lot.

Speaker 1 Of course, now it's not ours. It's two others, too.

Speaker 1 But this is not the...

Speaker 1 Everything can be reshaped and can be changed. But we have hydro.
We have oil. We have coal a lot.

Speaker 1 So we have everything.

Speaker 1 So we can be

Speaker 1 the main exporter of energy in the region, by the way, the main exporter of the region. We have gas, a lot of gas, including in the Black Sea.

Speaker 1 So we, as I said to you, our problem is our richness.

Speaker 1 We have problems now because we are very, very rich. And this is a problem.

Speaker 1 If you do become the president, will you have the power to stop the construction of the NATO base?

Speaker 1 I have the power to install the peace. This is for sure.
The people and in general the entire international world, they have to recognize the peace, not the war. We don't need war.

Speaker 1 It's absolutely a crazy thing which we are doing today.

Speaker 1 In all the countries.

Speaker 1 Speaking about any country, if you wish, whatever country you choose, in Europe, China, Russia, United States, why you need this? No, I ask you why?

Speaker 1 Why we need

Speaker 1 if we can cooperate,

Speaker 1 we have just one planet which gives to us everything,

Speaker 1 can cover all the needs which we are looking for, but for sure cannot cover one, our greed.

Speaker 1 If we trust in God, why we need war? I ask you. I ask you personally today, why?

Speaker 1 If we said we trust in God, correct? Correct. Correct.

Speaker 1 Even in a note of one dollar is what? No? We trust in God. Why do we need war?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 for what? Because we can cover all the needs.

Speaker 1 You would have to take away greed. This is a point.

Speaker 1 So the greed

Speaker 1 will be

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 in the moment when, exactly as I said on economic dimension

Speaker 1 as a distributive system as a sovereignty of the people because this I'm looking for in the moment when each of them has power each not few of them each

Speaker 1 in the moment when the private property is strong

Speaker 1 and private productive property property is strong which does mean he has the tools he has everything in order to each person to produce himself,

Speaker 1 whatever he wants, or to construct whatever he wants. You understand my point? Small and medium enterprise, this is the most important.
Romanian entrepreneurs to be strong, the country will be strong.

Speaker 1 If we discuss about oligarchs, they are strong. Of course, they destroyed the Romanian entrepreneurs because they control the market.

Speaker 1 The market is not free.

Speaker 1 The market is

Speaker 1 controlled. It's a market controlled by the oligarch system.

Speaker 1 They control the price. In the moment they control the price, they destroy the domestic product.

Speaker 1 So the market, the price of the market have to be free.

Speaker 1 Free.

Speaker 1 Free doesn't mean free. No other things.

Speaker 1 So it's very easy. So for this end, I said, we don't need war

Speaker 1 if we have all the things which we need.

Speaker 1 Why you have to have war? Okay, we can understand

Speaker 1 what happened 200 years ago, 300 years ago, 500 years ago. We can understand 1,000 years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, until the moment when all the states, they arrive to the point and, okay,

Speaker 1 we can understand

Speaker 1 the construction of the states.

Speaker 1 But right now in the third millennium,

Speaker 1 what is the role I ask you of United Nations in this war, in this sense?

Speaker 1 I left the United Nations for this reason, because I know the reason why they built United Nations 1945 for one simply goal: peace. We don't need any more war.
This was the goal and was not anymore.

Speaker 1 Until today, we are more than

Speaker 1 1,000 wars everywhere

Speaker 1 and conflicts.

Speaker 1 What is the role of United Nations? I ask.

Speaker 1 From 1945 until today,

Speaker 1 tell me what was his role. If the main important role, peace,

Speaker 1 was not accomplished,

Speaker 1 does it mean that me, you, a citizen, which already we pay from correct from our budget to to United Nations via our countries, because this is a rule. Each country

Speaker 1 is a contribution, make a contribution to United Nations, you, me, everybody,

Speaker 1 how can reflect our contribution to peace, zero,

Speaker 1 because they installed the war

Speaker 1 everywhere.

Speaker 1 Where is United Nations terminating Ukraine today

Speaker 1 or in relationship with Russia?

Speaker 1 why United Nations is not in Moscow today

Speaker 1 or in Kiev to discuss about this

Speaker 1 why

Speaker 1 why is not

Speaker 1 I think it's pretty clear because they don't want it why why Washington is not in front of that

Speaker 1 because they want the war

Speaker 1 I told you from very beginning, for this reason, they canceled the second election with me and with the Romanian people, because I said peace.

Speaker 1 Peace is the main purpose.

Speaker 1 So we have to be aware and

Speaker 1 through you and through other leaders like you

Speaker 1 who you trust in God to reflect that we are in a very dangerous situation because we have no

Speaker 1 in Europe particularly, Sean, we have no leaders. We have just

Speaker 1 power holders and puppets, as in Romania is today. It's a puppet.

Speaker 1 Of course, it's controlled by our regard system.

Speaker 1 He's not a leader.

Speaker 1 Leaders are few, very few.

Speaker 1 And they trust in God and they take care about our people.

Speaker 1 I hope, President Trump,

Speaker 1 I am very clear. to be a leader.
I hope to be a leader.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people hope that. I hope too.
Until the first day.

Speaker 1 In the first minute, not first day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 When the election resumes, we have to start from

Speaker 1 the first round again.

Speaker 1 We...

Speaker 1 It's difficult to accept this.

Speaker 1 almost impossible because new elections are fraud even bigger.

Speaker 1 We are looking for the second round and we are looking

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 before 20, I hope, or after 20 in the first day, President Trump to

Speaker 1 give a wise,

Speaker 1 wise signal

Speaker 1 to all the world.

Speaker 1 But besides,

Speaker 1 we are are

Speaker 1 Romanian people alone with God.

Speaker 1 So we continue

Speaker 1 our way, like already we start for our deity, for sure that.

Speaker 1 Well, Mr. George Escu,

Speaker 1 I really appreciate you being here. And

Speaker 1 I can tell you're a great human that cares a lot about your people. And I just want to tell you that I wish you luck.
I very much appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.

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