#255 Ryan Montgomery – Roblox & Minecraft: Hacker Exposes the Largest Online Video Games

Speaker 1 Ryan Montgomery.

Speaker 2 Sean, I'm Ryan.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the show, man.

Speaker 2 Thank you, man. I'm, I can't believe I am back in a good way.

Speaker 1 What's it been, like, two years? Three years. Has it been three years?

Speaker 2 Three years, yeah.

Speaker 1 Lots that's happened.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm pretty.

Speaker 2 You got me. Can you got me thinking, is it two years? I think it's three.
It's three.

Speaker 1 Is it really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Lots has happened since you came on here, man.

Speaker 2 A lot for both of us, it seems.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, look at this studio, man. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I've been dying to show you.

Speaker 2 I couldn't wait to see it. And

Speaker 2 I mean, for the people that can't see the whole thing in real life, a video is not going to capture how awesome this is. It doesn't matter what kind of camera you use or how you...

Speaker 2 360 angle, it doesn't matter what you use.

Speaker 2 I've seen the last studio, which was awesome within itself. And then this one, it's like two or three times as big, just the studio area alone.

Speaker 2 I can't talk about the rest of the property, but the rest of the property is sick,

Speaker 2 like beyond belief, sick. And super happy for you and not in a demeaning way, but proud of you.
And I'm very grateful to be back.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you, man. You were a huge part of this.
You know that, you know, been,

Speaker 1 and,

Speaker 1 dude, I'm fucking proud of you too, man. Thanks.
Like,

Speaker 1 you know, just a recap for for anybody that's listening who doesn't know who you are you know i just kind of want to go over how we connected you know the very first time and

Speaker 1 where you were at in life and you know kind of where i was at but but um

Speaker 1 yeah so backstory is i pull up instagram one day i see this very small very small mma podcast 500 followers 500 followers i don't know how this reel popped up on my algorithm i don't even look at reels very often.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there you are. And if I remember correctly, I may mess this up a little bit.
But

Speaker 1 the clip that I saw, and I want to roll the clip right now. There's a father that...

Speaker 4 posted a photo of their child in the bathtub where you couldn't see everything, but you could see enough. And it said on the top of it, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight.

Speaker 4 And then underneath, there was comments with other people saying what they were going to do to this person's child. Oh, my sick.

Speaker 4 And at this point, remember, I have access to their server and they don't know it.

Speaker 4 So after I spoke to my attorney, who told me, hey, you did break federal law, you know, if you report this, you're risking going to prison.

Speaker 3 But I was just thinking to myself, if I bring this to trial, what jury is going to convict me?

Speaker 4 I mean, I just don't think guilty or not. I'm willing to take my chances.

Speaker 4 So I reached out to my attorney, reached out to another attorney in Virginia since he was run, you know, a guy trying to run for Congress.

Speaker 3 Spoke to over 10 news stations.

Speaker 4 I have some of the calls recorded with them. Everybody was interested in this story.
They thought it was amazing. As soon as it got to legal,

Speaker 4 not one of them posted this story. Even when I said, remove my name from it, remove any of the info I obtained illegally from it, just alert people that this website exists on the internet.

Speaker 4 Nobody posted it. So I got an FBI report tip line number.
I think it was a website ic3.gov. It's an internet complaint center report number.
So I got that.

Speaker 4 The kicker, which is what got me started in this after all of that, is six months later, I'm watching the news and I'm reading the news online.

Speaker 4 I see Nathaniel Larson arrested at an airport at a layover with a 12-year-old girl that he kidnapped me.

Speaker 4 And they were fully aware of what he was doing.

Speaker 4 They're fully aware of the 3,000 other people that I caught on the website with their IP addresses, their emails, their chat history, everything about them. A case, you know, on a golden platter for

Speaker 4 any district attorney. Send this slide.
And nothing happened. They didn't even bring up his websites in the news articles.

Speaker 1 The clip that I saw was basically you

Speaker 1 talking about this guy that owned this

Speaker 1 pedophile website

Speaker 1 standing over the bathtub, taking a selfie video with a 12-year-old girl in that bathtub, right?

Speaker 2 It's close. It's close.
So

Speaker 2 what happened was,

Speaker 2 just the long story, short version, is it was, like you said, a very small MMA podcast that I went on. And they asked me a question.
They said, how did you get involved?

Speaker 2 It was actually about the organization I was with at the time.

Speaker 2 But I just came as the technical support, basically. And they said, how did you get involved? You know, I was always standing behind the camera, didn't have my name associated to anything.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I had this information about this horrible website that was being run by a politician in Virginia. And

Speaker 2 there are, you know,

Speaker 2 like I explained that I got a text message from my friend's wife that had a couple of screenshots, one of which was a father that had his child in the bathtub.

Speaker 2 And the title of the post, like you could see the child's back, so you could tell that they were nude.

Speaker 2 And the title of the post on this website was, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight.

Speaker 2 And underneath of it, people were talking about what they were going to do to that person's child. So that was what the clip was.
And if they play the clip, you know, they'll see what I was saying.

Speaker 2 The problem was, I infiltrated this network. I dumped their database.
I had all their information. I had a case on a golden platter.
Like, literally, I think that's what I said in the clip.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 nobody was taking me seriously. And

Speaker 2 it took years of me trying. I went to all media sources,

Speaker 2 11 plus media sources. I went to law enforcement, went to two different attorneys.
I went to a task force locally. I tried everything.

Speaker 2 then I end up just talking about that in that short clip, maybe a minute long. And

Speaker 2 the next day, I wake up and there's like 10 million views on this clip. And I'm like, what the heck?

Speaker 2 You know, like I have all these journalist groups reaching out to me, all these media wanting to ask questions, all these different, you know, very variety.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 2 All of these various podcasters reaching out to me. And I see in my comments, check your DMs, check your DMs from a guy named Sean Ryan.
And I'm like,

Speaker 2 and I check my DMs and I see Sean's in there and I'm like, wow, this guy's got a big channel and he wants to, you know, he wants to talk about this. So we started a conversation.
And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I wanted to get the story out there no matter what way it went out. I didn't care if it went out from a left wing, right-wing, in between wing.
It didn't matter. I just wanted the story out there.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, I didn't know anything about politics, still really don't. But I was, I just was very, very blown away by a small account blowing up the way that it blew up.
So I reach out.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, I start speaking with you. We arrange a podcast, which, if you remember, Project Veritas was involved.

Speaker 1 Oh, I remember.

Speaker 2 So this is what I want to get into what happened with that.

Speaker 2 So you,

Speaker 2 so actually, this is the way I really want to put it is nobody had the balls to talk about this story because, and I proved that with the media.

Speaker 2 I showed them what needed to be out there there was it was black and white how bad this website was and I had evidence that you could not refute of all of the people involved and they just ignored me and you saw that one minute clip and said you know what I'm gonna risk my whole channel I'm gonna risk everything just because I want to get this this kid that I don't even know meaning me I want to get this kid's message out there.

Speaker 2 And you have no idea how much I appreciate that and how many kids that's actually helped, not just from me, from you.

Speaker 2 And like without you, without obviously all the things that led up to you, none of that would have happened, you know? And I am beyond grateful for that.

Speaker 2 And it's opened up so many doors, which I'll obviously get into in this episode, but beyond blessed, super grateful for it. And, you know, one thing that's frustrating is, and

Speaker 2 I have a good and bad thing to say about Project Veritas and why I wanted to tie them into this story, is Project Veritas is the first journalist group to reach out to me that I was willing to, because they said,

Speaker 2 we'll come with, you know, we'll fly overnight. We'll be there the next day.
So they were in New York. I was in Florida.

Speaker 2 And they said, you know, we'll come out and check out the database and we will investigate it. So of course I was like, yeah, come out, let's do it.
You know,

Speaker 2 anybody wants to run this story. Let's go.

Speaker 2 This is right about the time James O'Keefe left or was fired, whatever happened there. That doesn't matter to me, to be honest with you.
They fly out to Florida. I hand them the data.

Speaker 2 And all of their journalists, all their reporters, the ones ones that I worked with directly, were passionate and wanted to work on this project.

Speaker 2 And they spent days slash weeks slash months of their life on this project.

Speaker 2 So I can't say a single negative thing about the team that I worked with there. They were all great and they cared a ton about this case.

Speaker 2 What happened is James's replacement, her name is Hannah Giles, she came in as the interim CEO. while they were trying to figure out what was going on.

Speaker 2 And at that point, if you remember, there were 7,000 people in that database from the original database and project veritas the goal was to go out to confront these people face to face with hidden cameras and ask them about their their participation on the website so like that meaning like not just you were on the site but here's the the forum posts that you made here's the private messages that you had with other users like expose these people so they exposed a couple of them they put it out publicly and

Speaker 2 we identified 500 of the 7 000 with without a shadow of a doubt 500 of the 7 7,000 were identified at the time when Hannah Giles became the interim CEO.

Speaker 2 They wanted her, I'm assuming Hannah, wanted the New York Post or New York Times to release a story on it. And that was their main focus, which at that time, I remember

Speaker 2 we were talking about it. When you're talking about circulation, it's like social media has a way bigger circulation than them.
Then Hannah says to me,

Speaker 2 I'm on the phone with her and she tells me that my story is not a tidal wave. That's the words verbatim that this woman used and she shut it down.

Speaker 1 So boy, she fucked that one up, didn't she?

Speaker 2 She really did.

Speaker 2 And, you know, not only because of how big this story got and how many kids, how many, how, how much impact that database made on, you know, some of the, some of the predator networks following it as well.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 you know, the sad part of this is I, with Project Veritas, 500 of the 7,000 identified, 13 of which of the 500 were convicted of sex sex crimes with children after I originally reported the information to, you know, National Center for Mission and Explained Children, the tip lines, the task force, all the media.

Speaker 2 So, you know, just ironically, the average offender has 13 victims in a lifetime, but 13 different cases occurred after I reported it. And then she shuts it down.
So that's 500 of the 7,000.

Speaker 2 Who knows how many didn't get caught? And who knows how many more, you know, how many, how many victims just, you know,

Speaker 2 it could have been, it could have been preventive. Someone would have just taken me seriously.
And you did, man. You did.
Project Veritas, as much as they, you know, may get some hate or whatever.

Speaker 2 I, I don't have any opinion on anything else they've ever done other than what they've done with me. And their journalists were good to me.
Their interim CEO.

Speaker 2 I don't like the way that she treated this situation. And I have no problem saying that.
And yeah, man, I just wanted to. So I guess a long way of saying thank you so much.

Speaker 2 And I appreciate the balls that you have because nobody else did.

Speaker 1 Well, it's my honor, man. But, you know,

Speaker 1 I forgot about the Veritas stuff because we had to coordinate the release of the episode with them. Yeah.
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 And they, yeah, they, there was some other publication that they're like, we got to wait and see if this goes. And

Speaker 1 I remember having a conversation with you, and I was like, dude, what we have here is 10 times any of the publications that they're talking about. And this is going to fucking send.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it did. It wound up being

Speaker 1 the most viewed, most downloaded, biggest episode I've ever done still to this date. And,

Speaker 1 you know, I remember reaching out to you. I remember the FBI stuff.
The FBI wouldn't take you seriously.

Speaker 1 I was so upset, you know, and also this is like you were the first person that I dove into this subject with because I had heard so much about it. But I don't trust nonprofits.

Speaker 1 We me and you talk a lot about that offline. I just don't trust them anymore.

Speaker 1 I've seen too many that started off with good intentions that go, you know, Ray and it becomes all about fucking raising money and not about whatever the actual mission was.

Speaker 1 And you didn't have any of that, you know, and I could tell like on that post, I was like, this guy's just trying to get information out.

Speaker 1 So, so yeah, reached out, tried to coordinate everything with Veritas. They wanted to do the story.
And I remember telling you something along the lines like, fuck these people, dude.

Speaker 1 Let's just run it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well,

Speaker 2 you actually had people that you had in line to put their episodes out before mine, and you rushed my episode for them. Yeah.
Like, you did them a huge favor. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then they just screwed, they screwed it up.

Speaker 2 They could have done a lot more good. Like I said, they're journalists.
If it was up to them, it would have been, it would have happened.

Speaker 1 I don't think it could have gone any better than it did, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 What everything that happened, I think happened because what we did, you know, like you enlightened me for starters because I've gone on to do several episodes

Speaker 1 after you about it. I interviewed Jim Caviesel.
We went to the premiere of Sound of Freedom together.

Speaker 1 Interviewed Tim Tebow, interviewed Jaron Hudson, interviewed Victor Marks. Like you were the start of all of that.
And I still continue to talk about it, you know, to this day.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I think what we did, man, is we just created like

Speaker 1 the perfect storm. And

Speaker 1 also, like, yeah, that was a huge, I mean, I don't think you wanted to be public. You were extremely fucking nervous to come on the show.
100%.

Speaker 1 And I remember trying, I remember going through my head, like, how do I calm this guy down? And,

Speaker 1 but however, whatever, it worked. And, and, yeah, it was a big, it was jeopardizing my entire business because this is, this is the forbidden fruit that you cannot talk about on certain platforms.

Speaker 1 I remember thinking, you know what? Fuck it. We're not monetizing this.
I want to fly under the radar. I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 If they shut everything down,

Speaker 1 it ended trying to pump some good into the world. And I'm like 100% fine with that.

Speaker 2 And that takes balls. For the third time, it takes balls.
And I appreciate that. And to be honest with you,

Speaker 2 and I know I gave you a warning beforehand, but this one is just as deep and dear to my heart. And I have some stuff that I really, really need parents to know.
And it's going to be rough.

Speaker 2 And I think that, you know, you guys, whoever's watching this,

Speaker 2 you're going to hear a lot of beeping. But it's important that you listen to what I have to tell you today.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I wanted to say, man, like, you know, we've talked about it a lot offline. And

Speaker 1 especially at the very beginning after the episode, when you were trying to figure out where you want to go.

Speaker 1 And, and, because I think this was a segue into you having a much bigger role in the fight against exploitation and trafficking.

Speaker 1 But what we did, man, is, you know,

Speaker 1 I jeopardized everything. You did too.
And, but what wound up happening was

Speaker 1 we educated millions and millions of parents. We educated millions and millions and millions of kids on how this happens.
prove to them how fast it happens.

Speaker 1 You know, dude, I will never forget when you made the screen name Ashley 13 because I was like, how this isn't like, there's no way this shit happens this much.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to time you to see how I figured we'd be there all fucking day.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, it was for like five seconds. And

Speaker 1 that just proved to,

Speaker 1 like I said, millions and millions and millions of parents and kids, like, this is how, this is how common this is. This is how fast it can happen.

Speaker 1 And then on the other hand, we scared a metric shit ton

Speaker 1 of predators. Of predators.
Oh, yeah. And

Speaker 1 so it really was the perfect storm but you know but you know

Speaker 1 some other context i mean now i'm like going back and forth now i'm like remembering all the things that happened like right after the episode and i mean we blasted the fbi on that episode yeah we definitely didn't blast actually we didn't blast them we just expressed

Speaker 1 what happened when you got the information to the FBI and how they totally fucking dismissed it and how interested they were after the episode came out. Remember that?

Speaker 1 Remember how much they wanted to help? I know you guys are like

Speaker 1 maybe talking right now.

Speaker 2 Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, everything I do now is in parallel with law enforcement.
So cool. Yeah.
I'll get into more of what that means.

Speaker 1 But. Yeah, I remember being extremely fearful.
I was like, these people aren't trying to help you. They didn't help you the first time.
There's 7,000 names on that list. And that was developed.

Speaker 1 That website was developed by a politician. They're trying, every motherfucker on there is calling in favors, trying to get their name redacted from.

Speaker 2 I remember. Do you remember?

Speaker 2 I was so scared of, because, you know, I took the, as you said, it was a risk for me. I was scared my door was going to get kicked in.

Speaker 2 They were like, I don't have anything to worry about, but I don't want to lose all my electronics or end up getting charged with something that I go to trial for and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 And I'm calling you.

Speaker 2 I'm calling you at like 11, 12 o'clock at night. You got Tim Parletour helping me out.
You got all these people, you know, telling me like, yo, do this,

Speaker 2 do that. Like, make sure you don't do this.
Don't do that. Like, I'm, I got, you, you helped me an absolute ton

Speaker 2 back, you know, because I was panicking, man. I was panicking because I wanted the information out there, but I didn't know what to expect because technically what I did at that time was not legal.

Speaker 2 My intentions were obviously good.

Speaker 2 I would say it's more gray than black hat, but it was, you know, I obtained that information illegally. So I was scared.
I was genuinely scared, and it was very new territory to me.

Speaker 2 I know now a lot more than I did. And as I said in the beginning, if I had to go to trial for this and I had to stand in front of 12

Speaker 2 jurors or jury,

Speaker 2 I have a hard time believing that people would say that I'm a criminal for taking down a predator organization. But

Speaker 2 I genuinely was scared at that time.

Speaker 1 Well, it wound up being a wildly successful piece of content. I mean, with all the clips and the reels and the episode and the downloads, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's literally hundreds of millions of views. And then

Speaker 1 your life just exploded into ways that I think you'd never imagined it would go into.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 I mean, I remember seeing you on all the big podcasts and I was just, dude.

Speaker 1 Through all the shit and all the fame that you've amassed since we met, dude,

Speaker 1 I just want to say, man, I am so fucking proud of you. Like,

Speaker 1 you have handled the fame and the notoriety like

Speaker 1 nobody I've ever seen, man. Like, you have stayed true to yourself.
You are not, you did not turn into a pompous asshole. You are the same man that I met when nobody knew who the hell you were

Speaker 1 three years ago when we did that interview. And

Speaker 2 it needs the world, man.

Speaker 2 It really does.

Speaker 1 I just want to like say like you know to to

Speaker 1 i want the world to know you know your character like

Speaker 1 that didn't turn into a massive amount of money for you i don't think i'm

Speaker 1 you're not here to make money like when people ask me about you or i'm talking about you and i talk about you a lot You know,

Speaker 1 one of the things I always say is like, that guy does not give a fuck about anything but saving kids. He doesn't give a shit if you approach him with business ideas.

Speaker 1 Like, if that's your focus, he's not going to want to do it. Like, all that dude wants to do is save fucking kids.
He doesn't give a shit about the fame. He doesn't give a shit about his following.

Speaker 1 He doesn't care about anything but saving those kids. And,

Speaker 1 you know, and

Speaker 1 there's just not very many people like you, man.

Speaker 2 Likewise. Likewise, there's not many people I consider friends, especially in this space, you know, like making YouTube videos and content and podcasts.

Speaker 2 I mean, you're the only one that I would consider a friend, like a real one, a real friend.

Speaker 2 And people don't know us off camera. But, you know,

Speaker 2 there's not many people that I can ride around with on an ATV and have the conversations we had yesterday. Like, you know,

Speaker 2 that's what I look forward to in life. You know, I only get a couple good friends,

Speaker 2 and I'm grateful and glad that you're one of them.

Speaker 1 Likewise, man. I love you, dude.
Love you too, man. You're a great human.
But,

Speaker 1 well, let me give you an introduction here real quick. All right.
And we'll get into the interview.

Speaker 1 Ryan Montgomery, a powerhouse in cybersecurity and the fight against child exploitation, a top ethical hacker and penetration tester with over 19 years of experience, ranked number one on TriHackMe's Capture the Flag leaderboard.

Speaker 1 The founder of PenTester, a Boca Raton-based platform offering online privacy solutions for people and businesses.

Speaker 1 As CTO of the Sentinel Foundation, you use cutting-edge technology and law enforcement collaborations to combat global child exploitation and human trafficking. Known for infiltrating dark websites

Speaker 1 to expose predators, you've demonstrated live hacks right here on my show, which we just talked about.

Speaker 1 You specialize in ethical hacking, data protection, and online safety, advocating for stronger cybersecurity and protecting vulnerable populations.

Speaker 1 And one of my favorite people in the world, Ryan Montgomery. So

Speaker 1 I know we are here to

Speaker 1 talk about some of the

Speaker 1 childhood stuff that we missed the last time.

Speaker 1 A lot of the stuff that you've been doing now.

Speaker 1 But I think that

Speaker 1 the premise of this interview, which will come towards the the middle in the end, is the domestic terrorist group, the 764 group, correct? That's correct. And

Speaker 1 all of the horrific stuff that they're doing. So like I said, you know,

Speaker 1 this is going to be very similar to the interview that we did before.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this is to educate. Our purpose here is to educate parents.
and kids and to scare the shit out of pedophiles and to expose how these things are happening and

Speaker 1 just just educate because you know

Speaker 1 we've talked about this offline too and i think that

Speaker 1 i think that the collaboration that me and you did online

Speaker 1 has saved more kids than any other

Speaker 1 Dude, it's hundreds of millions of people that watch that. Like

Speaker 1 so many parents and so many kids, like it made it real. I mean, you demonstrated it right here live.

Speaker 2 And I can unfortunately do it again on any platform. You know, literally, any platform.

Speaker 1 And so, you know, that's like,

Speaker 1 it's my proudest interview, man, because

Speaker 1 not because of the numbers and not because of like the explosiveness of the interview.

Speaker 1 It's because

Speaker 1 There are,

Speaker 1 who knows, countless kids out there whose parents watch that, who they watch that, that will never have to fucking face the trauma that they would have faced

Speaker 1 if their parents and themselves didn't implement the things to protect them. And, you know, I know it didn't get to everybody, but man, like we saved a lot of fucking kids there, man.

Speaker 2 Well, I love to hear that. And I'd love to believe that as well.
And to be honest,

Speaker 2 I've been all over the world, all over the country in the last three years and running into strangers on the street, at the airport, at the mall, all these places, people stopping me now, which you know is very new to me.

Speaker 2 But some of them are parents and they tell me like, hey, I stopped posting my kid on the internet for this reason or that reason or I or, you know, I was a victim of this or I have a situation.

Speaker 2 I hear this from not only from people sending me direct messages, emails, literally letters in the mail.

Speaker 2 There's so many ways of people contacting me now.

Speaker 2 But like something about somebody coming up to me in real life and telling me the impact that it's made, it's like, what are the odds of just a stranger that's just, that runs into me, that made an impact.

Speaker 2 If it happened with that person, it must have happened with a lot more than I'm aware of, you know? And that makes me very proud, makes me happy, and it makes me motivated to keep doing this.

Speaker 2 Because as you said, I'm not looking for a pat on the back. I'm not looking for money.

Speaker 2 If you blurred my face and you changed my voice for this episode, it wouldn't change anything.

Speaker 2 It's really about getting the word out there and

Speaker 2 making some sort of change because nobody else seems to be doing it. Nobody else seems to,

Speaker 2 I don't know. I mean, there's people that have passion.
I don't want to discount them because there are good people in this space.

Speaker 2 But coming on to a show and talking about this stuff in some of the detail that I want to,

Speaker 2 I don't really see other people doing. And I don't see somebody else having

Speaker 2 the nerve to do it. with them.
So I just think it's a very unique opportunity that we showed work to the first time. And it, uh, it's for the million times a blessing.

Speaker 1 Well, let's hope it works again. But, um, you know, Ryan, one of the other things that I loved about you is we both kind of started our journey to Christianity together around the same time.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say together, but timelines really match up. And I know you've grown a lot in your spiritual

Speaker 1 journey, and so have I. And so I think we should kick this off with a prayer.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 1 You ready? Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 Jesus, I just want to say thank you for

Speaker 1 my friendship with Ryan and for bringing us together those years ago. And

Speaker 1 I'm just so proud of him and thankful for our relationship.

Speaker 1 And Jesus, I just ask you to be in this room with us today and to guide.

Speaker 1 Ryan and myself the way that you want us to expose this 764 satanic cult what they're doing to kids and we just ask that you distribute the information that we're going to reveal today to all the kids and all the parents especially the vulnerable ones who who who

Speaker 1 who may have an unfortunate future that they're facing and uh we just hope to to derail them from that traumatic future and and into more beautiful things. And we just hope that

Speaker 1 the people that watch this, if they were, if their future was heading towards that, we just wanted to head towards the light and

Speaker 1 for them to take this information seriously and put in the repercussions that they need so that they don't become a victim. In Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 cheers. Cheers.
All right, but let's...

Speaker 1 Let's start it with some fun stuff. So, you know, one of the fun things we did last time is you had all all these gadgets

Speaker 1 and you blew my fucking mind. So I see all new stuff over here.
What do we got?

Speaker 2 So we got a lot of new things.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's going to be exactly the way that we did the first time because I did show you a lot.

Speaker 2 I blanketed a lot of topics and I pissed off a lot of people in cybersecurity in that process. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because trying to explain some of these attacks and cybersecurity methods to people that aren't cybersecurity professionals is tough. I mean, try to explain

Speaker 2 a captive portal to your grandmom. It's a it's just you have to you have to like and I'm not saying you're an older are you calling me a fucking

Speaker 1 Are you calling me a geriatric?

Speaker 2 No, that's all right.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty close.

Speaker 2 What I'm saying is most people are not tech literate most like it doesn't matter if they're older or younger so people got really aggravated with the way that I explained it They got really aggravated with the number one ethical hacker thing.

Speaker 2 I never said that I was the number one hacker in the world there's no way to rank that you know and and honestly i would love if you titled this video number one ethical hacker but just to piss them off hey we can do that i'm glad you finally reached that point i really i am done i'm done caring i i've i've tried posting on all my platforms i've talked on other podcasts about it I've made it very clear.

Speaker 2 I know I'm not the best hacker. I never said I was, but at this point, I just like aggravating them.
So

Speaker 1 if I've learned anything from doing podcasts, there's one thing. You cannot make the internet happy, no matter what the fuck you do.

Speaker 2 Not a chance.

Speaker 1 It's more fun to piss them off anyways.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm learning that. I'm learning that.
And I call them the neckbeards and the act chillies. Nice.
So I'm sure they'll have some stuff to say about some of this stuff, but that's fine.

Speaker 2 So there's a couple things here. One of which we're going to need

Speaker 2 the thing, you know, to screw it into. I don't want to ruin what it is yet.

Speaker 1 Are you carrying all this stuff all the time now, like the last?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's always in my pocket. Right on.
So this is the latest and greatest EDC. Yeah.
Are you still carrying the flipper?

Speaker 2 The flipper, that is in my pocket. So at all times, always have the flipper.

Speaker 2 And the reason, honestly, is that I'll show a cool attack, which it'll probably end up being some type of b-roll or something in here because we have to do it in a non-disclosed location or whatever.

Speaker 2 But I have some custom firmware on here now that it can

Speaker 2 break into a ton of different cars.

Speaker 2 and it's on a rolling code system meaning like every time you hit the the button on your on your key fob the code changes and the car only accepts the new code and uh and this has custom firmware that gets in sync with that rolling code let's say let's say you click the lock button now i have the lock unlock trunk all of your all of the buttons on your key fob just from one press and uh and that was one thing they they lost their minds over saying that that's that attack's been around 20 years it's not rolling code it's not this but it is it is rolling code It is a new attack.

Speaker 2 And I'll demonstrate it on the show

Speaker 2 once we get outside or whatever point that is. But

Speaker 2 the flipper, and then this was actually given to me.

Speaker 2 This is called a, it's a dual ESP

Speaker 2 by a company called AWOC Dynamics. I believe they're...

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 AWOC,

Speaker 2 a guy, I was at this hacker conference called DEF CON, which is the biggest hacker meetup in the world, I believe.

Speaker 2 And a friend of mine, another YouTuber talking Sasquatch, just comes up to me and hands this to me. And it was obvious because I know what these pins mean,

Speaker 2 they fit in the flipper.

Speaker 2 So you plug this into the top of the flipper. They're called GPIO pins.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 2 And it makes this thing look ridiculous.

Speaker 1 Flipper on steroids.

Speaker 2 Here we go. The flipper doesn't have Wi-Fi capability by default.
So

Speaker 2 this gives it two different Wi-Fi chips that do Bluetooth. They do other things as well.
But you'll see that the flipper, when I turn this thing on, I give it 5 volts.

Speaker 2 You'll see the power of it goes on.

Speaker 2 And then I have a touch screen here now where I can do Wi-Fi attacks.

Speaker 2 So there's sniffers, scanners, war driving, attacks.

Speaker 2 general so beacon spamming rick rolls evil portals deauth meaning like disconnecting net uh devices from the network uh de-auth targeted meaning target a specific device.

Speaker 2 And the cool thing about this is it can run.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, target a specific device? So

Speaker 2 let's say you had a wireless camera outside, and I see that that address, like that's coming up as a device

Speaker 2 on the screen here. I could target just that device.

Speaker 1 How do you know what the device is? I mean, there's got to be, there's probably a hundred wireless devices at the studio at all times.

Speaker 1 How do you narrow it down and go, that's that fucking camera right over there in the right corner.

Speaker 2 So it depends. If it's broadcasting like BLE, for example, or a MAC address, there's a thing called like an OUI database that you can identify it from

Speaker 2 the digits there, which I'm just trying to simplify things. But there's ways you could do that, or you could just do a de-auth flood, which then just hits everything it possibly can.

Speaker 2 And then you could take a safe bet that if it's on the frequency... that this is de-authing on, it's going to knock it offline.
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 But what's cool about this is a lot of things, because I just like, without going into the nitty-gritty of it the the Wi-Fi capabilities it also has Bluetooth capabilities and Bluetooth attacks

Speaker 2 and one of them is called sour apple and and I'll get more into that later you could spoof an air tag with this thing like to make it get people all you could do

Speaker 1 what do you mean spoof an air tag what does that even mean so

Speaker 2 It's it'll it'll make your phone believe that there's an air tag there So like it you know, you know how your phone will say you're being tracked by an air tag But like these antennas versus an an air tags antennas are way more significant i'll show you more once i get over to the this other tool what about you know bluetooth attacks but um some really cool stuff there but but the reason why this is called a dual esp which means there's two boards in it uh you can use the flippers on the like custom there's a custom app in here that like let's say i wanted to do one attack that's taking your cameras offline and i want to do another attack that's stealing your passwords i can use two different networks completely doing two different attacks because this has two boards in it and the flipper knows to use one or the other.

Speaker 1 So this how are you gonna steal the passwords?

Speaker 2 I'll show you. I'll show you because I have something else for that.

Speaker 2 It's it's unbelievable, but this was a cool gift and I wanted to show it off because it just looks cool, you know.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 this right here, I think you're really gonna like this. So a company

Speaker 2 also Kickstarter related.

Speaker 1 I'm not gonna like it, Brian. I don't like any of this stuff.

Speaker 2 You might not like this. You might not.

Speaker 2 All right, so this is called the BLE Shark Nano. And the company, I think they're for sale now, but they

Speaker 2 sent them out to me because I asked.

Speaker 2 Because I really wanted one. It looked cool.
And

Speaker 2 the guy was nice enough. I think his name was George.
He sent it out to me. And I was like, you know, who knows, you know, like what I'm going to do with it.
I just want to play around with it.

Speaker 2 And I record a video at that conference and it's got like 20 million views, like me just showing this thing off. And I was not expecting that at all.

Speaker 2 So I'll show you there's it what I mean by stealing the passwords.

Speaker 2 I think that this should do it. Okay, so now check, go to your phone, just go to settings, go to Wi-Fi, and you should see a free Wi-Fi there.
I just named it Free Wi-Fi.

Speaker 1 All right, my phone's over here.

Speaker 1 Oh shit, there we go.

Speaker 2 Don't worry, it won't hurt hurt anything.

Speaker 1 Yep, free Wi-Fi, guys.

Speaker 2 So, what happens when you click free Wi-Fi?

Speaker 1 I should

Speaker 1 click it. All right, here we go.
Sign into your Google account.

Speaker 2 Okay, so just put in like Sean at gmail.com

Speaker 2 and then just put in whatever password you want.

Speaker 2 I got it. So,

Speaker 2 should I walk over to you? Because it's small. Yeah.
All right. So

Speaker 2 we got

Speaker 2 Sean at gmail.com and password hack this.

Speaker 1 No shit.

Speaker 2 So what if for

Speaker 2 the for the people I don't know if they could hear me? For the people that couldn't see this little device,

Speaker 2 Sean just got a network that said free Wi-Fi. It could have been airport Wi-Fi.
That could have been hotel Wi-Fi. That could have been Starbucks Wi-Fi.

Speaker 2 It could be whatever I wanted to name that network.

Speaker 2 And what happened was he got what's called a captive portal, which a lot of people would be familiar with. They might not recognize the term, but

Speaker 2 you click connect to a free network in public and a screen pops up that says, like, I agree to the terms and conditions. Or if you're in a hotel room, it might say,

Speaker 2 you're in room 1308 and your last name is this. And then when you press submit, it tells the hotel, yeah, this is a guest.
Give them access to our network. That's a captive portal.

Speaker 2 In this case, it created a fake Google captive portal that looked like the real Google login. I mean, I don't think there's any way you could have

Speaker 2 differentiated that from a real Google login because what you're taught in phishing attacks is to look at the URL. If the URL doesn't say google.com, then it's not real, right?

Speaker 2 Well, in captive portals, the URL just says captive.apple.com as the default. So there's no way to tell that's not real.

Speaker 2 Like you're not, you just, you should never put your credentials in is basically what I'm saying into any captive portal.

Speaker 2 And another thing to think about regarding hotel Wi-Fi or anything related, let's say you're at a hotel or you're on an airplane and you're trying to get internet and you have to put your credit card in to get it.

Speaker 2 Like maybe the hotel charges more for faster internet. I've seen that, like to support streaming or whatever.

Speaker 2 I could make a fake network that says and stand outside of a hotel or leave a device outside of a hotel or be on an airplane and require a credit card with a name, with an address, with all this info for them to upgrade their connection or upgrade whatever it may be and be stealing credit card numbers as well as their passwords.

Speaker 2 And there'd be no way for them to know that I was doing it because the second that they submit it and it's over with, now they're connected to the internet if I route it to the internet.

Speaker 1 How many people are doing this? Is this, I mean, I feel like this could be happening at every single hotel.

Speaker 2 I mean, you would be, I think it would be naive to think it's not happening all over the place. I mean, there's, there,

Speaker 2 there's a lot more cybersecurity people out there now than there were when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know that, I can't, there's no way to tell you how many black hats exist, how many people get arrested for hacking charges. I mean, I don't have those numbers, but it's.

Speaker 1 Was this like pretty common, though?

Speaker 2 I mean, these attacks are,

Speaker 2 I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say that the attacks are trivial because they're like your average person, it would take some time to understand these topics to know how to recreate that attack.

Speaker 2 You could buy a device that just does it, but

Speaker 2 I don't know. I can't tell you how prevalent these are, but

Speaker 2 I could give you that device and you could do that with two clicks.

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Speaker 1 Well, I mean, the reason I'm asking is: I mean, you travel a lot. I travel a lot.
You know, we spend a lot of time in hotels and airports and shit like that.

Speaker 1 I'm always connecting to the, you know, to the airplane Wi-Fi, even though the shit never works. I love paying 10 bucks and then you don't get any fucking internet.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you put your credit card in there. Yeah.
Yeah. And how do you know it's really.

Speaker 1 So that's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 1 You know, if you go to, if you go to whatever, the Holiday Inn Express, and you want to get internet, and there's Holiday Inn guest, Holiday Inn Express, guest, you don't know which one's the legitimate one.

Speaker 1 They make them look identical. So

Speaker 2 there's no way for you to know the difference.

Speaker 1 How can people guard against something like that?

Speaker 2 There's not a not a great way to do it unless you like, you know, unless you know a little bit about you know computers.

Speaker 2 Because like what I would do in that case is I would, I would try to like, in a captive portal on a phone, you can't like view view the source of the page like look at the code of the front end client side of the page I would look at that to see if there's anything odd there that's not connecting to like because that like this isn't connected to the internet right now so for you to see that Google page it had to load the Google logo from that device it had to load all of the like the text on the page from that device whereas if it was actually pulling data from Google you would see all of the Google links inside the it's called the source code um

Speaker 2 so that like if you're on a laptop

Speaker 2 in a perfect world, you could right click, you could hit view source and see if the in the code, if it actually is going to the name of the hotel.com or google.com.

Speaker 2 And if that's true, it still doesn't guarantee that it's real, but it gives you a better chance. Gotcha.

Speaker 2 And then inside of these captive portals, there's

Speaker 2 like sometimes it doesn't just say captive.apple.com. You'll see like an actual name at the top.
But anything can be modified, man.

Speaker 2 And I just say that the general way to put this is just don't trust public Wi-Fi.

Speaker 2 So I wish I could give you a solid answer.

Speaker 2 I don't think anybody would be able to give you a better answer than that because it's, it's kind of an up-in-the-air public Wi-Fi, just there's way more vulnerabilities than just that.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 1 Well, I got

Speaker 1 I got you a gift, Ryan.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And so I was going to wait, but this seems like the perfect time to give it to you.

Speaker 1 So one, well, I'll give you the other gift later. So here you go.
Since we're talking about public Wi-Fi.

Speaker 1 So while you're opening that, let me tell you a story.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 So actually, it probably started with you. I started getting, you know, with the FBI stuff, I started getting very paranoid about who's listening in on my conversations and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 And then we went to Taiwan. We went to Dubai.
We started doing all these overseas interviews. I know China, you know, is looking for back doors into our stuff.

Speaker 1 So anyways, I got super paranoid and I started looking for a real black phone. And so what I found was

Speaker 1 this company, Glacier,

Speaker 1 and they make a black phone. They do a hardened iPhone.
They can do any phone.

Speaker 1 Any phone you have, you can hand it to them and they will turn it into a hardened device where it stops data from getting sucked out of you. There's an overwatch.

Speaker 1 You get an endless amount of burner numbers. You get all-American VPNs.
You get, there's like a kidnapping type feature that tracks you more than than regular iOS.

Speaker 1 But anyways,

Speaker 1 lots of features on that. But another thing they do, where did that device go? I put it right here.
Yeah. So

Speaker 2 open it back up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hold that up.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 anyways, I called them up. We're going to partner with them.
And

Speaker 1 those phones are like $8,500.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. But I wanted, so I wanted something.
I was like, look, this is becoming more and more of a thing.

Speaker 1 You see China buying a lot of the VPN companies you see Israel buying a lot of VPN companies

Speaker 1 and so what that thing is is so we're doing this app and the app is going to be like a

Speaker 1 more consumer friendly version of the phone the phone is really for Intel people

Speaker 1 major corporations for their C-suite stuff like that has a secure messenger service but anyways

Speaker 1 So we're we are doing a consumer product of that that's more consumer friendly. It's going to be an app and we're going to call it Glacier app.

Speaker 1 There's a link for anybody that's interested with the late list down there. And we're also developing products.
So that is a secure internet device from Glacier. Works in 130 different countries.

Speaker 1 Basically, you just turn it on. It puts you on the secure server.
Like I said, in over 130 countries, they set it up to where

Speaker 1 all your devices will just automatically link to it. Then you're not using public hotel Wi-Fi.
You're not using airport Wi-Fi. You're not using anybody's Wi-Fi, especially overseas.

Speaker 1 And it's all encrypted.

Speaker 2 And this is connected to like a cellular network?

Speaker 1 This is connected to a cellular network that runs through Glacier.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 all of your traffic will be

Speaker 1 encrypted.

Speaker 2 Is there like a subscription fee for this?

Speaker 1 We haven't released those yet. Great question.

Speaker 2 I get the free 99.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you get the free one. So

Speaker 2 there it is. Thank you very much.
This is really cool.

Speaker 1 Now you don't have to worry about public Wi-Fi anymore.

Speaker 2 Well, I think it's more for the other people than me, but I appreciate it. I'll be using the crap out of this.
I promise you that.

Speaker 1 You're welcome, man.

Speaker 2 Thank you very much. I didn't realize it did all that.

Speaker 2 It looks like a power bank, but it does a lot more than PowerBank based on what you just said.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we use that in Taiwan. We use that in Romania.
We use that in Dubai. I use it everywhere now.
I just,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 2 congrats on that. That's good.
Thank you. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 I'm pumped. You turned me into a tech guy.
Yeah, you will. You were the first tech guy head-on.
You know what?

Speaker 2 I will also turn you into.

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I know you're wealthy, Sean, but I don't think you're this wealthy.

Speaker 1 I'm not wealthy.

Speaker 2 Hold on a second. I brought something for you here.

Speaker 2 I got you a billion dollars. Dude, one billion.

Speaker 1 I could use an extra billion.

Speaker 1 The Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you see how it says dollars on that bill? Yeah. So you technically have a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 Fucking A.

Speaker 2 You're officially a billionaire.

Speaker 1 Billionaire now.

Speaker 2 And I just wanted to make it very clear that you have, it's in the United States. So, you know, maybe it came from Zimbabwe.

Speaker 1 Thanks for making me a huge target.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 you hear about all these problems with billionaires in the United States,

Speaker 2 but you know, people having issues with them and all this stuff, but you're not going to be one of them. And think about the people in Zimbabwe.
They're all billionaires, too.

Speaker 1 Good point. Good point.

Speaker 2 No problems. But just thought it was a cool thing.

Speaker 2 We ordered them on eBay at the office because there's like $50 or $20 billion bills, $40 billion.

Speaker 1 We ordered these on eBay.

Speaker 2 We put them in a frame, you know. And we just thought it'd be funny to give you one because it's just...
Unbelievable the amount of inflation that's happened, but that's a whole different topic.

Speaker 2 They don't use those bills anymore.

Speaker 2 Right on. Yeah, but it's a cool thing to have, I thought.
But going, actually, I got a a couple things about cellular that I want to talk about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's do it It's not it's nothing against what you said. It's more just about cellular in general and my worries for it

Speaker 2 So firstly there's there's this thing right here, which is a Verizon hotspot looks no it looks no different than a Verizon hotspot. That's what it is.
It is a hotspot.

Speaker 2 I think it's called the orbit the the actual or orbic

Speaker 2 is the the actual model of it. They're about nine dollars on eBay as of of recording right now.

Speaker 2 And if I plug it in, show you how simple this is.

Speaker 1 So this is the exact same thing as what I just gave you just on secure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so this is just the hotspot. Okay.
But I modified this hotspot with a custom firmware called Rayhunter.

Speaker 1 Of course you did.

Speaker 2 And for $9,

Speaker 2 I can, which I know you're going to want one of these. This is up your alley.

Speaker 1 Is this going to be the framed piece for this episode?

Speaker 2 i don't know i don't know but i bring this every country i go to everywhere i go so it's charged right now let me turn it on

Speaker 2 come on

Speaker 2 there it goes okay So you see, it's got their logo and everything on it. You would never know this isn't a real hotspot.
Yeah. It still does broadcast a network on it.

Speaker 2 And you'll see at the top here, you're going to start seeing a green or red, hopefully green, a green or red line the second that it that it boots up.

Speaker 2 Okay, so it has no service at the moment, but it's loading.

Speaker 2 Okay, see that green line at the top there? Yeah. So that means that there are no stingrays.

Speaker 2 within proximity to us, which is going real simple is how the feds or certain people can track your phone's location,

Speaker 2 the information that comes from your phone.

Speaker 2 Just think of it as

Speaker 2 a way to determine if your phone's being tracked. And you could just have this running at all times, sitting in your pocket.
And

Speaker 2 instead of it

Speaker 2 acting as a Wi-Fi router or hotspot, I could take this, I can use my phone.

Speaker 2 I'll show you.

Speaker 2 I could go and connect to

Speaker 2 the Verizon network right here.

Speaker 2 And then I'll go right to my browser.

Speaker 2 Hold on.

Speaker 2 Stingray Hunter.

Speaker 2 Where is it at?

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 1 So this thing basically detects if there's anything listening or gathering information on you within some type of a radius.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and you don't have to stare at it. You know, that's kind of the good thing about it is you don't have to stare at it.

Speaker 2 And if it turns red once, it's,

Speaker 1 here, hold on, I'll show you. Like when you came to the old studio and we had that little piece of shit EMF detector thing and we found something on the wall and we're like, where is it?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 this is a whole different thing.

Speaker 2 Let me just look. I have it in my book, Mark.
Sorry. Because I have the actual Verizon page and then I have the page of it

Speaker 2 where it's modified.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 2 Here we go. All right.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 oh, actually,

Speaker 2 what the heck? I actually have a warning here.

Speaker 1 Are you fucking serious?

Speaker 2 I am dead serious. Look at this.

Speaker 2 There's a red warning.

Speaker 2 So I'll download that PCAP after.

Speaker 2 I seriously didn't set this up. I really didn't.
I swear to God.

Speaker 1 Well, shit, how do you know what it is?

Speaker 2 I'll download it and try to see, but it just lets me know there's a device within proximity. That's the first time I've ever seen, I've seen, that's my first time ever seeing a warning.

Speaker 1 This is likely,

Speaker 1 if you just turn your device on, this is likely a false positive.

Speaker 2 Well, there's two other captures above it. So

Speaker 2 I don't know. There's a couple below it and above it.
So we'll have to look at the into that. I've never even seen that.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 This is my place?

Speaker 2 I mean, I didn't look at it.

Speaker 1 This is July, Thursday, July 3rd, Wednesday, September 10th.

Speaker 2 Well, then that would be incorrect. Unless the top one has the wrong date.

Speaker 1 Top one is Monday, October 20th.

Speaker 2 That's today? Yeah. Yeah, then the other one must be...
I must have missed it.

Speaker 1 Dude, you can't be fucking with me like that.

Speaker 2 I didn't mean to. I barely looked at it.
I just saw it red and was like, I just told you how paranoid I get about this shit. But this is why you need one of these.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I need to buy that. It's nine bucks right now.

Speaker 2 I'll just give you this one.

Speaker 1 It's nine bucks?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a hacked version of a Verizon hotspot.

Speaker 1 So you just turn that on anywhere you go. Like, how far is the radius?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's, it's anywhere. It receives cellular, just like a cell phone would.
Yeah. So it's what it's doing is like this

Speaker 2 this interface is because i'm connected to the hotspot as if like as if you would be using it but it's on a custom port it's called so like it's a you know how like people can they can root their uh they can root their androids meaning like giving it more permissions and install custom apps this is running a version of android that's rooted and then it's running that custom software so you just go in here you let it run all day and then you can go and just check is it green is it red and if it is if it is red the ray Hunter,

Speaker 2 like GitHub, it's like where all the developers put their stuff. You can copy the file and put it in there, and they'll analyze it for you.
Like, you don't even need to know what you're looking at.

Speaker 2 So they'd be interested in this red one that I have because I've never even seen red before.

Speaker 2 This is my first time. I am.
But yeah, yeah, I thought you would like this because it's kind of a cool, cheap little hacky thing, but it works.

Speaker 1 I'm getting like one of those for everybody on the team.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll set them all up for you. All right.
So that one.

Speaker 1 What's that called?

Speaker 2 This is a regular Verizon hotspot, but the software on it's called Ray Hunter. Okay.
And

Speaker 2 then this is the Orbic, O-R-B-I-C, Verizon Orbic. Right on.
Yeah, I got mine on eBay.

Speaker 2 Let me turn it off.

Speaker 2 But as long as you're seeing a green line, you're good. And I didn't see a red line here.
So I was like, as soon as I logged into the portal, it was like red. I was like, what? Never seen red.

Speaker 1 So what do you do if it's red? Get a new hotel room?

Speaker 2 Put your phone in an airplane mode or in a faraday bag real quick okay yeah because it's it you know i i never had it happen but i like to know if someone's spying on me you know so they they could be sucking info out even okay

Speaker 2 um and then let's see what else can i show you okay so speaking of cell phones staying on that topic um this is something i actually brought as another gift for you and i love gifts

Speaker 2 have you heard of um have you heard of mesh tastic no so it's super cool. And,

Speaker 2 you know, I don't know how familiar you are with the China situation. It just happened in New York.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you talk about that?

Speaker 2 I mean, I can talk about it briefly. I wrote just so I make sure I have the numbers correct on that.

Speaker 2 There was 300 SIM card servers with over 100,000 SIM cards capable of 20 million or of taking 20 million offline. So, and that's the tri-state region of New York.

Speaker 2 So like not just New York, but the surrounding states too. And that's just with the ones that they found.
So I think it would be kind of naive to think,

Speaker 2 you know, there's not more of these all over our entire country.

Speaker 1 So what could that have done?

Speaker 2 So it would have been a denial of service attack is the technical term for it.

Speaker 2 But it would have been so many, like have you ever been to a concert or a big event where everybody's there and your phone's going so slow and no calls are going through?

Speaker 2 That's because that's just so many people are there. Denial of service.

Speaker 2 This is a distributed denial of service, meaning coming from multiple angles with, with, you know, let's say each one sending 100 text messages a minute.

Speaker 2 It's intentionally trying to flood the towers with so much data that they can't function. They can't keep up with it.
So that's essentially

Speaker 2 what that was set up to do. And to my knowledge, the way they found that, at least partially, was from a tip.

Speaker 2 So I don't think they're going to get a tip everywhere that China or whoever, I'm assuming China in almost all cases, has these all over our country, which scares the crap out of me.

Speaker 1 so I started looking what would what would they okay so I really want to dive I have an idea of where this is going but I want you to describe like okay

Speaker 1 they shut down all cell phone communications what does that what does that mean for the population especially in a in a in a city that's as dense as Manhattan It's absolute chaos is what happened.

Speaker 2 It's absolute chaos.

Speaker 2 Everyone relies on a phone right now in some sort of way to connect with their families, to pay their bills, to

Speaker 2 get into their cars, like myself included, to get into their houses to pay for things.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 2 a call for emergency services. Yeah,

Speaker 2 all of these things.

Speaker 2 And if you take it away, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 2 I mean, if China attacks us with an EMP and we lose our power, I mean, some stuff that I've read means people are thinking, we're not even going to make it three months without power. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like a lot of people are just going to die off.

Speaker 1 A lot of people would die off. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's sad and it makes sense, though. So my, I mean, I, I could try to go further into it.
I don't know, you know, on the politics and all that, like, you know, I don't know a ton about it.

Speaker 1 I mean, how long would how long would the server be down for?

Speaker 2 As long as they're attacking.

Speaker 1 So, so how would they initiate the attack?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 just this is a guess from me, but if it was me behind this, let's say I would have all of these servers ready to go.

Speaker 2 I would have one computer that had access to all of them or, you know, just imagine just like a digital switch.

Speaker 2 So I remote into a computer somewhere, wherever it is, and I press the go button basically. And the go button tells all of those SIM servers to start sending out text messages.

Speaker 2 to at mass volumes and it's just going to you know keep people offline so it would be somebody remotely detonating essentially um and uh and then at that point all of the all of the phones in the area slash tri-state area, according to what I read, would be, you know, they'd be completely useless.

Speaker 2 Not only with text messages, also phone calls, also data for the internet, completely offline.

Speaker 1 Like hardwired internet as well?

Speaker 2 No, no, internet would be okay because that's not it's not affecting the cellular towers, but any cellular connection would be offline.

Speaker 2 Like you would, you would see that you had connection, but it just wouldn't work.

Speaker 1 How long could they keep it down for?

Speaker 2 They would have to figure out where all of the places that were distributing all of that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it would take time.

Speaker 2 It would be substantial enough for it to be a problem, I'll tell you that much. Especially, imagine if it happened in like Utah or somewhere where there wasn't, you know, like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, I'm just taking a random guess, but like somewhere that more a little more

Speaker 2 desolate in certain areas, at least.

Speaker 2 It would take a while for that to be fixed, I believe.

Speaker 1 Would there be a way to trace that type of a signal? I mean, I mean, I remember seeing pictures of that. and I mean, it was like tons of antennas and electronics.

Speaker 1 I mean, was there, is there a, do you have one, do one of these devices go, whoa, there's like a lot of text messages coming from that building?

Speaker 2 So, none of these devices are going to go. I mean, you may be able to pull some general cellular frequency stuff from the HackRF slash

Speaker 2 H4M, like the new HackRF.

Speaker 2 Well, combination. It's a whole thing.
But you may be able to see something on here. Like, you know, like a waterfall display is.
It's just like colors going down the screen.

Speaker 2 You may be able to see like a big fluctuation of that, but I don't know for sure, to be honest with you. But I do know that with a denial of service attack, with a ton of numbers,

Speaker 2 taking 20 million phones

Speaker 2 offline, I mean, that's a serious problem, regardless if they could find it or not. But the problem is this:

Speaker 2 the problem is

Speaker 2 if you're not sending or receiving text messages on all of these SIM servers, then

Speaker 2 how are they going to identify that they're there? Because they're not transmitting or receiving any data at that point.

Speaker 2 If the remote on and off switch, I was talking about earlier, was off, they're not going to be able to determine that they're there yet.

Speaker 2 But the second they start sending out a signal, it's probably a little bit easier for them to detect all of this data is coming out of this specific spot.

Speaker 2 They could just go around with an electromagnetic. you know, field detector and say, wow, there's a crap ton of all this coming out of this building.

Speaker 1 By then it's too late.

Speaker 2 Yeah, at that point it's already caused a mass hysteria or a mass problem or the media is already reporting on China's attacking us or whatever, you know, God forbid happens.

Speaker 2 So yeah,

Speaker 2 it's wild, man.

Speaker 1 So what is the red thing here?

Speaker 2 So this is just, this is a radio that I built for you.

Speaker 2 I bought the parts. Obviously, it's a...

Speaker 2 No nerd details. It's a Helltech V3.
It's a 3D printed case.

Speaker 2 It's got a custom antenna on it that gives you a little bit more range because out here there's a lot more space than like South Florida, we have hurricanes, we have all of the different emergencies that might happen.

Speaker 2 And we can operate with a little bit smaller antennas than what you would need in

Speaker 2 this state.

Speaker 2 So basically what this device does is it operates very similar to a walkie-talkie. So like, but a way cooler.
So just hear me out.

Speaker 2 Like when you, when you click a walkie-talkie and we're within range of each other, you're gonna hear me. I'm gonna hear you.
Same with this. So this doesn't use your voice.

Speaker 2 You don't talk on it like a, like, you know, like a phone. You text with this.
So imagine I send a text and I say, hey, Sean.

Speaker 2 And then let's say you're with within 100 feet of me, you receive it.

Speaker 2 Now let's say you're 10 miles away from me. This antenna isn't going 10 miles.
With a walkie-talkie, it isn't going 10 miles.

Speaker 2 The reason why they call it mesh tastic is because it's using all of the devices in between you to mesh together to get that message to the the intended recipient.

Speaker 2 And on top of that, it's fully encrypted.

Speaker 2 So the devices that are carrying the message, like imagine all the walkie-talkies are carrying that message until it gets to you, but none of them can hear your voice until it gets to the destination.

Speaker 2 Does that make sense? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So there's a primary channel, which is just like, you know, it's non-encrypted. Everybody's conversations in there.
That's great for the natural emergency, like, you know, hurricanes or emergencies.

Speaker 2 And then let's say you and I want to talk about something private off the grid. This has no cellular connection, no monthly bill.

Speaker 2 This is straight up using its own transmit and receive right from that antenna.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you can be 100% anonymous with this and no way to recover anything. I mean,

Speaker 2 this is, could also be used maliciously, to be honest with you, but so can anything.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I don't think it,

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's just a super cool device.
I'll save my opinion. But

Speaker 2 the way to operate it is actually with that specific one you need the the mesh tastic app on your phone you connect it via Bluetooth and then it that's just so you can send and receive messages but uh there are certain ones you can buy that are pre-built that uh that look like blackberries actually they have like little keyboards on them and they connect in with the mesh and then you send a message from the actual device itself and receive messages on the device itself that is just a bluetooth like so your phone is going to be your you know so the phone is the okay yeah like

Speaker 1 so the message goes from your phone to this through the mesh network i'll show you right now it's so easy um

Speaker 2 so you got can the camera see this um srs mesh you connect in you're on there this is going to tell you the nodes that are around you which we're in a building that isn't going to have any nodes but once we get outside they would messages channels primary channel and then you could just say hey i need help for example i'll just say hey so I don't scare anybody and then now it's waiting to be acknowledged what that means is it's waiting for somebody to acknowledge with their radio it's going to acknowledge this message and relay it to as many people as possible because this is a channel that everyone can see holy shit and then there's the seat I made you one called secret comms which is built into this radio that has its own private key so if i'm let's say i'm a hundred miles away from you i can send you a message and it's going to use a bunch of other people's radio to get the message to you, but they're not going to see what I said.

Speaker 2 It's just going to use their radios to make it to you, hopping off of them.

Speaker 1 Damn. How long does it take to get that message to somebody?

Speaker 2 Milliseconds.

Speaker 1 No shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's radio.

Speaker 2 It's a decentralized...

Speaker 2 It's a decentralized cell phone networks.

Speaker 2 Just think of it in simple terms like that.

Speaker 2 That if the power grid went down, if the cellular grid went down, the batteries on them things last so long because they're low power and they're long range and

Speaker 2 they're cheap too. I mean, like all in on that thing, like we're talking like 30 bucks.

Speaker 1 Are you?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And like just to have that

Speaker 2 in your backpack just in case something ever happens, God forbid,

Speaker 2 it can't hurt to have it. It's not hard to use.
Like I'm not, I don't own it. It's an open source project.
I don't make any money telling anyone to buy them.

Speaker 2 But the more people that have them, the further the messages that can go. South Florida has a huge population of them.
Missouri, huge population. California, huge.

Speaker 2 Like there's a lot of places that already have a ton of these there. But the more people that have them, the further your message is going to go.

Speaker 1 So, interesting.

Speaker 2 Kind of an interesting thing. I really, I really liked it.
There was a guy in Florida because I was learning about it, you know, trying to get my house set up.

Speaker 2 I had a solar, a little solar mount with a giant antenna tenna coming off my roof. And like, you know, I'm going way above and beyond for this.
Like, my HOA probably hates me. But

Speaker 2 this guy who has this large infrastructure in Florida, he calls it Tron.

Speaker 2 Like there's this, I could show you a screenshot, but he's got, he's got these giant cell towers all the way down the coast of Florida. And as long as you can get your message to a Tron,

Speaker 2 you know, one of his locations, then it has enough transmit power to make it anywhere up and down the coast of Florida.

Speaker 2 So my goal was to get it to one of the Tron towers. So I finally go into their Discord, like their chat group, and I say, like, hey, how do I, like, what kind of antenna should I buy?

Speaker 2 buy what kind of stuff should i get i want to make it to del raytron that was the tron that i was trying to get to and this guy uh his name's eric reaches out to me and he's giving me all this advice and he's and he said i'll come out tomorrow morning at 6 30 to the intersection of where he didn't know where i lived or anything but i gave him a general idea 6 30 in the morning guy comes out takes screenshots uh from his app takes pictures on his phone and and he's showing me with a directional antenna it's called a yaggie antenna he's aiming it at the the del ray tron southeast, I think it is.

Speaker 2 And you can see that it is reaching it. So he proved that with a directional antenna that it would work.

Speaker 2 And this is a guy I've never met before, you know, somebody that's just like, if you know anything about the ham radio guys from back in the day, it's like a modern age ham radio group, but way more tech technologically advanced and the people are like younger.

Speaker 2 So this guy comes out of his way, goes out of his way to help me out, which is like, I'm not used to doing people doing me favors like that.

Speaker 2 And to make things even crazier, the guy that came out for me is a guy that owns the Tron infrastructure for all of Florida.

Speaker 2 So I just had the first guy that, and he didn't know who I was or anything like that. He just came out out of the kindness of his heart.
He drove a half hour.

Speaker 2 I found out where he lived because I came to go pick up that equipment from him later in the day. And super grateful for that.

Speaker 2 But the guy just, the guy hooked me up and spent time that he didn't need to spend.

Speaker 2 And I recommend if you go out and buy one of these things, make sure you Google like the state that you live in and join join a community of some sort if you need help setting it up.

Speaker 2 Because it's not hard or anything, but just to get advice from people that have already been doing it, you know.

Speaker 2 Now, I already researched for around here. It's configured best for this location.
But if you have any questions, obviously call me.

Speaker 1 How do you turn it off?

Speaker 2 You can hold both buttons, but

Speaker 2 it doesn't actually go off.

Speaker 2 It goes into like a sleep mode. Oh, right on.

Speaker 1 Damn, thank you, man. No problem.
I wouldn't say I'm going to frame it, but...

Speaker 2 You should use that one. Keep that one.
I am. And especially because of the way, like, you know, without going into detail, you live high enough to reach far.
Right on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else do we got?

Speaker 2 This one.

Speaker 2 And I'm trying to speed through because I don't want to make this too long.

Speaker 1 Don't speed through it. This is good shit.

Speaker 2 So this is called a screen crab. And a screen crab, if you notice here, it's got an HDMI on one side and an HDMI on this side and

Speaker 2 and basically this little antenna broadcasts a signal so I could put this behind a computer monitor put this behind a TV more importantly a computer monitor and then there's an SD card slot in here on this side right here

Speaker 2 that stores a ridiculous amount of footage like way more footage than you would imagine because it compresses the video

Speaker 2 and this will be in line so you can spy on somebody's computer screen and And they, you know, if you put IT use only, do not unplug, you know, like instead and put it on a Post-it note or something, stick this behind the computer, who's going to remove this?

Speaker 2 Nobody. You know, most people are just going to ignore it.
So I thought this was a cool little covert spy gadget that most, who's looking behind their monitor either? You know, like it's...

Speaker 2 just a cool little gadget to have, especially when you're doing a physical pen test and you want to, you know, you want to watch people go through their internal systems and see their internal communications.

Speaker 2 If you can get this thing in there, then you can stand outside their office and wirelessly watch it or store it to the sd card and uh and then watch it later so you can you can hook that up wirelessly yeah yeah that's that's what this is so so i could take the footage that's stored on the sd card and download it wirelessly or watch it wirelessly live wow yeah i just i would have to be in range of it though gotcha uh so that's the screen crab and then

Speaker 2 This is called the Land Turtle. And the Land Turtle, the way I have have mine configured at least, is the second I plug this into USB.

Speaker 2 So if I went into one of your offices and I plugged this into one of their computers,

Speaker 2 it's going to take, it's going to immediately try to connect back to my server at my house and give me a connection like to this device.

Speaker 2 And then from this device, I can try to pivot from this device to your other devices on the network because this is a mini computer inside of here. So it's...

Speaker 2 without going into because it's nerdy stuff without going into the details i can use this device to pivot onto other devices to other devices, to other ones.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, I could be a million miles away from you and still have access to this because it's connecting directly back to me.

Speaker 1 Shit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And Hack5 makes that's the name of the company. They gave me a bunch of cool stuff.
That's where the guy you interviewed, Mike Grover. Yeah.
He works with them with his OMG cable. No kidding.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 this, another guy gave as a gift,

Speaker 2 Lo Hacks or J J Blo Hacks is he's got an interesting name

Speaker 2 and another guy

Speaker 2 Yeah, J Bo Hack. Hold on.
Sorry. I got your name wrong J-Bo J-Bo Hacks and another guy created this and ZR Kraken is their usernames.

Speaker 2 They created this thing called the Nyan box which is 3D printed but it is very capable. It does a lot of what the uh a lot of what this this device did,

Speaker 2 like the dual ESP. But the

Speaker 2 dynam box does Wi-Fi, Bluetooth,

Speaker 2 and then it does jamming as well, which jamming is a federal crime.

Speaker 2 So, but people can still do it. It doesn't mean people aren't going to commit that federal crime.
So you could jam, which I'll show you here.

Speaker 2 I can choose.

Speaker 2 Hold on. Give me a second here.

Speaker 2 I get into the actual jammers.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have W LAN jammer, meaning I can jam Wi-Fi networks. You see that on the top there? Yeah.
So I could jam your Wi-Fi network right now.

Speaker 2 And if any of these cameras are hooked up to Wi-Fi, it's going to knock them offline.

Speaker 2 Like not using that D-Auth attack I was talking about earlier, just broadcast, very similar to the Chinese, broadcasting the same frequency at such a high

Speaker 2 Like I guess what's the better way to explain it. It's flooding the air with so much garbage on the same frequency that it doesn't know how to communicate anymore.

Speaker 2 That's what jamming, that's how it works.

Speaker 2 And then there's all kinds of cool features that are,

Speaker 2 I'm skipping over, but the, it can, there's actually one in here that has protocol kill. Here we go.
Kill Wi-Fi, kill video cameras,

Speaker 2 like meaning wireless cameras, doorbells, kill RC, like drones,

Speaker 2 RC cars, anything that that uses a remote controller, just kill that frequency. Bluetooth, Bluetooth low energy,

Speaker 2 USB,

Speaker 2 wireless, like USB mice and keyboards.

Speaker 2 This is for, what does he have here? He's dig B, that's another protocol.

Speaker 2 And then Enteroff 24, that's basically the same thing as what I was saying earlier with the keyboard and mice thing, but still a different, it's all of these different things. I can choose which one.

Speaker 2 So let's say I do wireless camera. I click it.

Speaker 2 And then I can start that attack.

Speaker 2 And it will knock those cameras immediately offline. So that's one thing.
And then the last thing I'll show you with this device is the Sour Apple attack.

Speaker 2 So you're on the brand new version of iPhone, right?

Speaker 1 I'm

Speaker 1 a little behind here. They just came out with the new one.

Speaker 2 Like you're at least above version 18. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. So I'm not going to break your phone.
All right. So I just enabled Sour Apple.

Speaker 2 Do me a favor and unlock your phone real quick. You can even put it in airplane mode.
It's not going to change anything.

Speaker 1 It's an airplane. It already is? Join this Apple TV.

Speaker 2 Yep, here, keep hit next.

Speaker 2 You're in airplane mode right now.

Speaker 1 Connecting.

Speaker 2 I hit.

Speaker 2 You're in airplane mode right now, so you shouldn't be getting any connections, right?

Speaker 1 Apple TV keyboard password auto.

Speaker 2 Keep going.

Speaker 2 Wireless audio sync yeah i just got a transfer phone number option

Speaker 2 i'll just keep it so you can see the screen like that

Speaker 2 sign in you it probably shows your iCloud ID right yeah yeah so like you know little little things that little OPSEC mistakes that Apple makes right there that I could have pop up on someone's screen transfer phone number yeah air pods but you know at that point set up Apple vision pro

Speaker 2 But it makes it so your phone's unusable even if you're in airplane mode. And the only way to avoid that is to go into settings and disable Bluetooth.
Not from the control center or in airplane mode.

Speaker 2 You got to go in your settings and turn Bluetooth off.

Speaker 2 I just assumed, and I think most people do, when you turn airplane mode off, your phone is turning all channels off, but it's not.

Speaker 1 So this just disrupts just about anything that's wireless.

Speaker 2 Well, that one, I did the attack towards the phone, but I do have some ways that I could do it with Windows computers or Android phones.

Speaker 2 I have different attacks, but yeah, yeah, it makes it the older versions, it crashes the phone completely.

Speaker 2 The beta version of the newest version for iPhone, like iOS 26, it was crashing that too. But the newest version, it's not.
It's just, it makes your phone unusable.

Speaker 2 Like with so many, you can't use it with that many notifications popping up.

Speaker 1 I want one of these too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can ask them to send you one. They 3D printed it for me.

Speaker 1 Do you ever think about, you know, when you're working with Sentinel Foundation in another country and you're going out, you're hunting pronators?

Speaker 1 I mean, do you ever, I'm just curious, do you ever run, do you ever run the jammer so that nobody can tap into your phones, nobody can listen in, nobody can do any of that while you're having like a face-to-face conversation?

Speaker 1 Let's say you guys are doing your brief.

Speaker 2 So we use Faraday bags. So

Speaker 2 I haven't had, like, I've never had to do that with a jammer But we we do throw stuff in Faraday bags and I mean I you see me I'm not so that I put my laptop in a Faraday bag. I have

Speaker 2 like that's actually something I'll bring up. I know it I will I'll save the rest of it for the end but the

Speaker 2 Like we donated in collaboration with this company

Speaker 2 We donated a hundred and thirty something recently to law enforcement in Peru and the reason why these bags are important for phones like for like if no one knows a Faraday bag if you're unfamiliar for the people that are watching it just blocks signals from going in and out so when let's say there's a predator or a trafficker and they get arrested and the phone gets seized right you put their phone just like this in the bag

Speaker 2 and then now now it is locked they this phone has zero signal right now it's not getting in or out of the bag so let's say you're law enforcement and you are trying to make sure that that evidence stays intact.

Speaker 2 You now have the ability with Apple, with iCloud, with with android you can wipe that phone remotely so before they even get back to the station somebody could wipe that phone and all your evidence is gone but if you keep that phone in a Faraday bag then your evidence stays preserved and uh and you know that's one thing Settinel did recently was uh was make sure that law enforcement was equipped with these bags because they're cheap and you know certain companies are more expensive this one's a little more than others they're just a nice brand but the uh there's other brands that are you know like ten dollars a bag $20 a bag.

Speaker 2 And that could be the difference between a guy doing, you know, no time in prison or, you know, the rest of his life. Yep.
So

Speaker 2 I think they're very important.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's take a break.

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Speaker 1 All right, Ryan, we're back from the break. But now we're going to get into some heavy stuff on why you came here.
We're going to pick up with some childhood stuff.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about some cybersecurity. And then we're going to get into everything you're doing now and more specifically the 764

Speaker 1 satanic cult. But before we do, a couple things.
You know, everybody gets a gift, even though I already gave you one, but some things never change around here, right?

Speaker 1 Vigilance League gummy bears.

Speaker 2 Are they still legal in 50 states?

Speaker 1 RFK hasn't, you know, kicked them off the

Speaker 1 shelves.

Speaker 2 I don't know how you're getting away with this.

Speaker 1 Me neither. You know, I mean, all kinds of toxic shit in there, but it does taste good, and there's no drugs in there, so that's good.
None, but

Speaker 1 they're still legal in all 50 states. But and then you know about Patreon.
We got Patreon community. They've been with us since the beginning.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, I always give them credit. They're the reason that I get to sit here with you today.

Speaker 2 Well, let me say something before you say that.

Speaker 2 So the Patreon group, one of your staff members showed me some of the amazing comments because I guess you guys put a post out saying like Ryan Montgomery's coming back on. If you have any questions.

Speaker 2 And there was, he said three times the amount of comments that he's ever seen, which was heartwarming for me, obviously. So I was like, I want to go on there and thank them.
So I opened up my phone.

Speaker 2 And I guess since I'm a $5 a month member and I'm not the, I don't have enough to ask a question or whatever, I couldn't see my own post.

Speaker 2 And I'm in the middle of us talking, like, you know, but prior to our breaks, and my phone's.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, come on, please, microphone, do not be picking this vibration up. And I thought people were texting me or calling me, but it's your Patreon going wild right now.
No shit. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So if anyone hears any vibrations,

Speaker 2 it's the Patreon people just being extremely supportive. And so thank you guys.

Speaker 1 Right on, man. So one of the things I do, obviously, I just, you just kind of brought it up there, but we offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question.

Speaker 1 So this is from Jeff Bishop.

Speaker 1 What are ways that someone aspiring to get into white hat hacking can get experience?

Speaker 1 What technology can average Americans use to protect themselves or become more efficient in cybersecurity for day-to-day life?

Speaker 2 Okay, so I think that the first thing, the first thing that comes to mind is using all of the resources that are available right now, like Capture the Flag platforms. So there's a few of them.

Speaker 2 Obviously, I favorite TriHackMe because that's the one that I, you know, I'm quote unquote number one on. I'm number one on their leaderboard, but number one on their platform or whatever.

Speaker 2 I love TriHackMe and I'll explain why in a second. But there's TriHackMe, there's Hack the Box, there's Portswigger Academy.

Speaker 2 There's a bunch of them. Even it's the name is slipping me right now, but a good friend of mine, Nahamsek, has his own platform that he's building out.
Look him up.

Speaker 2 But there's a ton of awesome platforms you can learn on that not only are capture the flag style, meaning like you have to get, you know, you have to solve a challenge and get the flag before somebody else and you get more points where it's more competitive.

Speaker 2 There's walkthroughs that teach you just the basics of networking or the basics of how to use Windows, how to use Mac, how to use Linux, how to use a cell phone, how do you do forensics on a cell phone?

Speaker 2 How do you, you know, you name the category, there's a walkthrough for it on try

Speaker 2 Hack the Box, et cetera. And

Speaker 2 I would recommend as somebody,

Speaker 2 let's say you've never touched a computer, excuse me, never touched a computer in your life.

Speaker 2 You join one of these platforms, you click the complete beginner tab, you start going down each one of those tasks individually.

Speaker 2 Some of them are going to be boring, but the cool thing is a lot of them are hands-on. So not only are you reading, but you're learning as you go through each category and

Speaker 2 you're seeing the result of what you've done. So like one of them is, I remember on Try Hack Me in the beginning, like I brought a lot of people onto that platform

Speaker 2 and I don't own it or anything, but I like the platform. One of the first ones is hacking a bank.

Speaker 2 So it's a fake bank that they have set up and your goal is to transfer funds from one account to your account.

Speaker 2 And it shows the vulnerability in that specific case of how you would move the funds over. But they explain it in such a simple way that anyone can understand.
Interesting.

Speaker 2 And then it gets progressively harder, but anything that gets harder, you've already learned in previous steps.

Speaker 1 So this whole website is like an education for people wanting to hack.

Speaker 2 So half of it is that, and then the other half is competitive hacking, where already experienced hackers are competing to get the first, like the first, it's called first bloods, but meaning like the highest level of permissions on that

Speaker 2 computer.

Speaker 2 And a lot of, you know, the reason why I got first place and why I have the most points is because I got that first, first, you know, first bloods on almost

Speaker 2 almost almost all of the three challenges a week for six months straight. And you get double the points per question that you answer if you're the first person to answer it.
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 So that's why I ended up in first position by, you know, I have like a 20,000 point lead. And the funny thing is they had to change their whole point system

Speaker 2 because of me.

Speaker 2 So now when you like they have weekly leagues now where like there's a bronze league, they go all the way up to like Sapphire, diamond, and then like there's a weekly winner based on your point numbers.

Speaker 2 And then once you go to the overall leaderboards,

Speaker 2 it defaults to the monthly leaderboard, whoever's winning for the month. And then if you click a button that says all time,

Speaker 2 and it defaults to the country you're in, so whoever's the first number one in that country. And then if you click that and you go to all countries, then you see me at the top.

Speaker 2 So you got to go through four steps to see that I'm number one on the platform. Damn.
Whereas before it was just, you didn't even have to be signed into the website.

Speaker 2 You could just click leaderboards and you'd see I was at the top. But they changed it because I get it.

Speaker 2 It's not motivating to the users if there's no way that they can overtake me unless they spend five plus years and I quit.

Speaker 2 You know, I understand why they did it, but it was, it was, it was funny to say the least. And

Speaker 2 the reason why I bring up TriacMe and all these other platforms is it's a great place for you to learn, great place for you to join a community, which, as I've talked about in the past, is the foundation of how I've learned.

Speaker 2 Community, mentors, people, you know, actually spending time. And I, you know, I'm not, I was never scared to ask questions.

Speaker 2 And thankfully, like I was talking about with the Mesh Tastic Radios and off-the-grid communications, like those people are all, a lot of them are ham radio guys. Like they super willing to help.

Speaker 2 You just have to ask nicely and try to be part of their community. They don't expect anything in return from you.
And

Speaker 2 it's the same goes for these cybersecurity platforms. So highly recommend that he does that.
And

Speaker 2 while learning offense, I think that offense is your best defense.

Speaker 2 No kidding. Yeah, because if you know how to attack, you know how to defend.

Speaker 2 So it's being aware is one thing, but knowing how that attack works in the first place means you know how to defend against it.

Speaker 2 So that kind of answers the question, I think, in both ways.

Speaker 1 So what is something

Speaker 1 for people that aren't going to learn how to attack, for

Speaker 1 people that aren't tech savvy,

Speaker 2 what is something that they can do to take cybersecurity more more seriously i think educating themselves watching videos then if they don't want to go through learning anything about it like on a hands-on level learning you know by just listening to people like myself uh watching some of my PSA videos I like to call them because they're short like 15 30 second videos where I just talk about an important topic this is what's the the danger is this is what you can do to fix it and um and I keep it really short simple to the point you could do that You could Google like, how can I stop hackers from hacking my Wi-Fi or watch a YouTube video on it?

Speaker 2 And maybe there's something like, if we buy this new router, there's currently no vulnerabilities.

Speaker 2 That's, I guess, the simplest way I can put it.

Speaker 1 But like, if you... And I'll say just watching your Instagram TikTok feed.
I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 You started putting out these videos after our, after our interview three years ago, and I go crazy, but I mean, it's everything from talking about the bark app, you know, for parents to erasing

Speaker 1 your residence off Google Earth, erasing your address. Like, there's a ton of

Speaker 1 really good information on all of your social media pages that are, I mean, it's just good stuff that a lot of people don't think about.

Speaker 2 I genuinely appreciate it. And like, you know, for me.

Speaker 1 It's simple, too. You make it simple.

Speaker 2 I try to. And that's, I pissed off so many of the neckbeards, like like the cybersecurity guys out there that,

Speaker 2 you know, like, you know what? I'll go into this because it's important to me. When I was a young kid, I was bullied like crazy.
I was bullied because I looked different. I acted different.

Speaker 2 I didn't really fit in. And when I say bullied, I don't mean just them hurting my feelings by saying things to me and, you know, whatever.
I was, you know, physically.

Speaker 2 I didn't grow up in the greatest areas, didn't go to the greatest schools. And I'll get into more of that too.

Speaker 2 But, you know, I was, I was bullied on a level that most kids wouldn't make it through, you know, and I coped with it in my own ways. But

Speaker 2 I,

Speaker 2 oh, I'm sorry. The,

Speaker 2 I'm missing, I forgot what I was going to say. Again, it happened to me again.

Speaker 1 Bullied. You're getting bullied.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was getting bullied, but what was I originally bringing up why I'm being bullied?

Speaker 2 What were we talking about before that?

Speaker 2 Sorry, I just lost my train of thought because I was trying to think of something else. Crap, man.

Speaker 1 Well, we could sit here all day and try to figure it out.

Speaker 2 No, but you asked me a question, though. You asked me a question, and it was, it was, this is important.

Speaker 1 What can people do? I was talking about your page. I said it's if anybody looking.

Speaker 2 Oh, the cybersecurity scumbags. So if you, if you can.
Neckbeards. Yeah, the neckbeards.
So

Speaker 2 if you, I mean, I would really appreciate if you cut that out because I want them to know.

Speaker 2 I don't want them to make fun of the fact that I couldn't remember that I was making fun of them. But

Speaker 2 so these neckbeards, when I was getting bullied like crazy as a kid, you know, like on another level, getting like, you know, the crap beaten out of me all the time by multiple people getting jumped, you know, and moving all over the place, different schools, never, never finding a

Speaker 2 safe place. The one safe place that I found was the internet.
I had the cybersecurity community, the little one that existed back then, which was AOL Instant Messenger and IRC. That was it.

Speaker 2 There was nothing more than that. In the beginning, slowly a couple of things started to come out, but they were the nicest people to me.
That's where I felt the most at home.

Speaker 2 That's where I felt the safest. That's what, that's what made me happy at the end of the day.
And,

Speaker 2 you know, like, I think Bryce actually said it, said it well. He said, like, you know, kids go around every day, but they come home and rule the world.
And that's, that's what it felt like to me.

Speaker 2 You know, it felt like a community and it felt like maybe it's a bad way to put it, but it felt powerful, you know, something that I didn't feel as a kid. And

Speaker 2 then for me to come on to

Speaker 2 this show and start talking about gadgets and talking about cybersecurity and trying to simplify it on purpose, like, you know, and I've never claimed to be the best hacker in the world, never did any of those things.

Speaker 2 For them to say what they've said about me and treat me the way they've treated me over the last three years, It's very disheartening, man. I mean, now I know I have a lot of support out there.

Speaker 2 I have a lot of love out there from people, but it isn't. It isn't the cybersecurity community.
It's far from the cybersecurity community.

Speaker 2 They've showed me how ruthless they are, how divided they are, how opinionated they are, how,

Speaker 2 you know, like I said, they're neckbeards, they're actually type,

Speaker 2 I just can't handle it. I don't want, and I, it really bothered me in the beginning.
All of my insecurities, they validated, you know, which I understood. Like, I understand I have two different ears.

Speaker 2 One's going one way than the other. I understand I have a dysfunction in my jaw where my jaw doesn't open wide enough.
I understand that I'm skinny.

Speaker 2 I understand that, you know, one of my eyes is lower than the other one. Stop staring at my face, dude.
You know, like you're the one watching me. You know, I don't care.
Like, but I did, though.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to lie and say it didn't bother me, but it did bother me at first. It genuinely did.
And I care.

Speaker 2 Now, like I said to you earlier, I don't know if it's going to make it into the show or not, but like, I intentionally want to aggravate them, make the title number one ethical hacker.

Speaker 2 Like, I seriously couldn't give a crap less in the nicest way possible. And yeah, yeah, so

Speaker 2 thankfully, I see that the 99.99% that aren't cybersecurity people, they seem to be getting along with me well. And that

Speaker 2 makes me feel very good and happy and grateful.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's just once you get onto Reddit and Twitter, like where are the neckbeards live, where they sit in their little basements on their computers, mad at the world.

Speaker 2 I just don't want any part of it.

Speaker 1 It's lonely at the top, top, Ryan.

Speaker 2 I guess so, man.

Speaker 1 You're figuring that out.

Speaker 2 I'm figuring it out. Yep.

Speaker 1 But you're doing great.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 they'll love

Speaker 2 the gadgets and love and tell me how this one's wrong or that's wrong. It's like, shut up, dude.
Nobody cares. You know, that's the truth.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, you can't listen to those fucking people, man.

Speaker 2 They don't have anything better to do.

Speaker 2 We spent maybe an hour about it last night.

Speaker 1 You get to think.

Speaker 1 They have nothing better to do than to sit there and talk about you not get better at hacking not better their life not go make a better living not go get a girlfriend or a boyfriend they just want to with you that's exactly that's how pathetic their existence is they're gonna waste

Speaker 2 their time and just to talking about you on the internet and you will never even meet them that's exactly right and even if i do meet them i'm not gonna know who they are sean because they hide behind aliases.

Speaker 2 They go out of their way to watch the videos.

Speaker 2 They make an account, set up a fake email, confirm the email, put a fake profile picture, if they even do that, leave a comment, send a message, do whatever they do.

Speaker 2 Like, you're spending more time on me than I am on you. Who is the loser, bro? Yeah.
Like, it's absolutely mind-blowing. But then, like, like I said to you yesterday, like.

Speaker 2 I go to these hacker conventions, like 30,000 people there. I've gone to some that are smaller, but DEF CON, the last, I've spoken, I did the keynote the last four years straight.

Speaker 2 Yeah, even prior to our first episode, I did the keynote with, it's called Red Team Village. And

Speaker 2 not one time out of 30,000 plus people has anyone come up to my face and said something negative.

Speaker 2 And I'm not exaggerating when I say I've taken over a thousand pictures every single year, other than the first year, of course, because nobody knew who I was.

Speaker 2 But last three years, thousand pictures, easy.

Speaker 2 Lines of people that want to take, like, you know, not an ego thing, like it's just fact.

Speaker 2 not one of them said a negative word to me and it's like i guess maybe because i grew up in a different spot a little harder than some of these people but like like i if like you got if you're gonna talk like behind a screen and you're gonna say it to my face like be ready to like you know i i'm not a violent person don't get me wrong but like if you come at me i'm I'm coming back at you.

Speaker 2 I grew up in a spot where

Speaker 2 that's how things go. I'm never going to attack somebody for no reason.

Speaker 2 But if you're going to say what you're saying to me online and threaten me and my family and all these things, then you better in real life do the same thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'm not claiming to be big, bad, or anything like that, but I'm not just going to sit back and let somebody bully me or take advantage of me as a grown man. It's not happening.

Speaker 2 That's the nicest way I can put it. Sorry, I just said that.

Speaker 1 It's all good, man. It's...
You can't pay attention to these fucking people.

Speaker 2 I don't. I really don't.
And I wanted to make it clear that I did, and I don't care anymore. And now it's just entertaining for me.

Speaker 1 Let's move on with the interview.

Speaker 2 You ready?

Speaker 2 I am ready.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We left some stuff out in childhood last time.

Speaker 2 Yep, we did.

Speaker 1 What did we leave out?

Speaker 2 So this is

Speaker 2 so I made it pretty clear. Had a serious drug addiction at a very young age.

Speaker 2 And so did most of my family on my dad's side, not my mom's side, my dad's side. And unfortunately, lost a ton of them, lost all a ton of friends.
I talked about that a little bit the last time.

Speaker 2 Since our our last interview, I've lost three more family members.

Speaker 2 And I showed you actually today what my cousin on my dad's side is on one of those random street interviews, you know, whacked out on fentanyl. And

Speaker 2 it's, you know, it's my, so, so. Just the reason why I say that is I grew up with drugs as a serious problem around me at almost all times, friends and family.

Speaker 2 And my mom's side of the family was probably one of the most valuable pieces because I didn't have that really as much of a problem on that side.

Speaker 2 When I was really young though,

Speaker 2 just kind of skipping right into a story, I was probably 11 years old and I'm hanging out with the bad kids in the neighborhood, you know, and like I won't name them, but there was three of them. And

Speaker 2 we decided that we wanted to grow some weed.

Speaker 2 And I uh you know that's wasn't a hardcore drug or anything Like as an 11-year-old, it is, but like whatever the case is, we decided we wanted to grow some weed. And I hate weed.
I can't stand it.

Speaker 2 The feeling makes me freak out. There's no weed on this planet I've ever had a good reaction to.
So never liked weed, but I like the idea of growing it. I don't know why, maybe because I'm a nerd.
But

Speaker 2 we agree that we're going to move these plants, these little baby plants, between all of our houses. and try not to get caught by our parents, of course, you know, because that wouldn't be good.

Speaker 2 One of the kids, skipping a ton of details, one of the kids tells his mom that I have the plants at my house. The mom hated me already.
And the mom calls the local police. Police call my mom.

Speaker 2 My mom gets brought into the station with me.

Speaker 2 They happen to do some stuff, some type, they committed some crime. And the cops are accusing me of this crime.
And then I had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 And then they have my mom kind of cornered and confused and like letting her know, like, hey, we know about these weed plants that you have in your house just let us know about it we'll take care of it and they convinced my mom that there's there's no big deal like you know they're just going to come by and pick up the plants and it's going to be over with like that's what they had my mom thinking i'm 11 i can't tell my mom that's 11 you're 11 yeah you're growing pot at 11 yeah holy dude it wasn't a crazy operation but they made it out to be so what ended up happening was We're at the police station, sitting there with my mom.

Speaker 2 My mom believes that the cops are just going to come in there.

Speaker 2 And they gave my mom two options either let us come pick it up or we'll sit out front and wait until a warrant you know blah blah blah and then like a warrant comes in and then we can go in and get them so either way you're giving up the plants is basically what they put my mom in the position of and she

Speaker 2 she was unaware of this situation it's not like my mom was like yeah grow weed in the house you know it wasn't like a thing and i'm just a little boy The cops promised my mom that they're not going to make a spectacle out of it.

Speaker 2 It's not going to be a thing. They just want to get the plants out.
She believes it. They come, they take the plants.
The whole neighborhood's outside. They're taking the plants.

Speaker 2 They're little plants, but they're, you know, maybe this tall. There's a, you know, a bunch of little baby plants that are just little, they're called like

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 germination stage, like after the seeds start to grow a little root, like, and you just see a little piece of plant coming out of the soil. Like most of them were like that.

Speaker 2 And then there was like two or three of them that were like this tall. And the cops bring them outside with no bags covering them.

Speaker 2 The whole neighbor's embarrassing the crap out of my mom at that time. And the cops charge me with possession with intent to deliver

Speaker 2 for that, like as a drug dealer.

Speaker 2 They charged me with cultivating marijuana. And the charge, it was something to do with vandalism or something, but something I had nothing to do with with the other kids.

Speaker 2 I wasn't even involved in it, but they charged me with it anyway. And

Speaker 2 that was my first time ever getting in trouble, but that turned into probation. That didn't turn into any type of facilities or any type of detention centers or anything like that.

Speaker 2 This was just probation where I had to go pee in a cup with a juvenile probation officer who, you know, was strict, but wasn't anything like what I'm going to get into later.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 when you're that young, you're doing the wrong thing, you're in the wrong areas, you're hanging out with people that are doing serious drugs.

Speaker 2 Like, because I at 11 years old is hanging out with bad people,

Speaker 2 I started doing more you know more

Speaker 2 what's what's the word for it

Speaker 2 sorry um

Speaker 2 after you know after being on probation you're at you're on like a you're you're at way higher risk of getting in more trouble because you have to check in if you get if you don't show up on time if you pee in a cup and you fail for a different drug or any drug for that matter uh if you don't if you don't do anything correctly you're getting a violation and you're going to juvenile detention bare minimum and then sent to a rehab residential program or whatever and whatever they want to do to you they're going to do to you um

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 so i uh i get in trouble more way more times with different drugs and being on probation i'm failing drug tests i'm in school getting in trouble getting caught with drugs and you know all of these what what how old were you when you started drugs 11.

Speaker 1 You started at age 11?

Speaker 2 I started messing with various drugs at 11, like including weed, you know, and alcohol and all the, like, you know, just stuff that people usually start around 15, you know, 14, 15.

Speaker 2 Not that it's okay to start at that age, but that's the average based on, I think, what I know.

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 ecstasy and all of that stuff started very, very soon after just the

Speaker 2 experimentation phase. Because I don't even really count weed as the experimentation phase because I hated it from the beginning.
It freaked me out so bad that I couldn't even smoke this stuff.

Speaker 2 But for whatever reason, I loved ecstasy, as I told you the first time. And then the come down of ecstasy sucked so bad that when somebody introduced me to

Speaker 2 opioids, the come down, it made it way easier. And then I realized I liked the opioids better than I liked the ecstasy.

Speaker 2 And that's why I stopped going to the raves and all that stuff in Philly like we talked about. So all of that's happening.

Speaker 2 And I'm failing drug tests for opiates and benzos and amphetamines because of other situations I'm going to get into. But this is all in a very, because remember, my drug problems were 11 to 17.

Speaker 2 So it wasn't that long, but a lot happened in that short period of time, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 long story short on, on that,

Speaker 2 I'm on probation. She violates me, and I end up in the juvenile detention center time after time after time for all these different stupid petty crimes, all revolving around drugs.

Speaker 2 Nothing violent, nothing anything other than, you know, I'm not saying what I did was right, but like stealing stuff or having like I got self-harm.

Speaker 1 It was all self-harm stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, all stuff that I was doing to myself but then the the only thing that wasn't was was um actually a pretty crazy story that i'll tell you um was which actually goes into another one with my dad um

Speaker 2 a guy who was a grown man who was who was married to a grown woman who was actually even twice his age was picking me and those kids up in the neighborhood at a very young age 12 13 years old picking us up one two o'clock in the morning i remember we had a ladder on the side of my bedroom window and he would pick pick us up and we'd get in his car he would drive us to all these different cities in pennsylvania and he would park at the end of the block and we would just go check all the all the door handles down the block for each car and see all the change the gps's like back then gps's were in all everyone's cars and um you know if they had like go into their their glove box and see if they had emergency gas money in there and all

Speaker 2 whatever they had that was worth something we would take it we'd give it to him and then at one point he would you know he would sell the stuff so what i found out later about this guy and i'm wrong for that it was fueling a drug addiction at this time because you know remember at at this age i'm i'm doing opioids are very expensive and then that turned into heroin and we've already talked about that story so i'm trying to skip that but the uh the guy the craziest part about this is at one time he tells me hey man take home some of this stuff so i had so i had I took home a ton of the stolen merchandise.

Speaker 2 And at one point, he had a revolver his, in his bedroom. And I was like, you know, I never had a gun before, never shot a gun before at that time.
And he gives me this revolver.

Speaker 2 There wasn't any bullets or anything, but he gave me the revolver. And I had this and I had all of this stolen merchandise.
And the next morning, it's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 2 You hear just knocking at the door like loud. Like it sounded like the SWAT team was at my house.
The cops are at the door, guns out. My family, my mom, my stepdad at the time, it's at the door.

Speaker 2 And they,

Speaker 2 you know, they see guns out. So it's like, obviously serious.
And they're like, where's the gun? Where's the gun? They know about the gun. And I didn't tell anyone about the gun.

Speaker 2 So they go right up into my bedroom. They know exactly where this gun's at.
They go right to grab all the stolen merchandise. I get charged with 110 counts of receiving stolen property.

Speaker 2 I get a weapons charge for the revolver, even though I had no bullets or whatever.

Speaker 2 I wasn't planning on using it, but I had it.

Speaker 2 I find out this guy that's been picking us up every night was an informant for a completely different case. So this guy's committing crimes while he's an informant with children.

Speaker 2 He's using children to rob cars to fuel his addiction while he's a police informant. So, and so him and his wife end up in the newspaper.

Speaker 2 His name's Thomas James Gallagher, who actually just got arrested recently for unfortunately murdering a third, or not third, an 18-year-old girl in a DUI situation.

Speaker 2 But yeah, so he did that later in life.

Speaker 2 But what he did to me was wrong too. But he was in the papers for that too.

Speaker 2 And it was called like kitty car thieves or something was the title of the news article. And

Speaker 2 whatever the case is, the guy has, he must have had some really bad luck because he ends up on the same block as my dad. And my dad is very different looking than I am.

Speaker 2 Like we have similar eyes and like features, but my dad is like a six-foot gorilla, like bald head, like very different than me.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 my dad finds out that he is TJ Gallagher on the block. And

Speaker 2 he's talking about like, you know, I know your son, blah, blah, blah. My dad punches him right in his jaw, breaks his jaw in the George W.
Hill correctional facility.

Speaker 2 His jaw got wired shut. They transferred my dad to a state prison to get him away from this guy.

Speaker 2 And my dad was sticking up. I mean, as much as my dad has gone, like I said the last time, has done drugs and has been in and out of jail and

Speaker 2 done some dumb things in my life, like my dad cares about me. It's just drug addiction is tough.
And

Speaker 2 I lost, you know, my family to it. I lost, you know, his most, like, my, my sister, Ariana.
She's my half-sister, but I call her my sister, and my brother, Danny.

Speaker 2 Their mother, Lauren, which was my dad's, like, kind of basically his wife,

Speaker 2 and their parent, she passed from an overdose, you know, semi-recently. And

Speaker 2 a lot of people have passed recently um and uh but my dad the reason why i say that is is he has a lot of problems at the moment he just got hit on a he was on an electric scooter he got hit at 65 miles an hour by a car and he broke almost everything from his stomach down to his ankles and you like if you've seen the pictures it would

Speaker 2 it blow your mind that he's alive.

Speaker 2 My dad, on the other hand, has been shot, stabbed, lit on fire, and now hit by a car. And I could tell you each one of those stories individually.
And he's still alive.

Speaker 2 So the man has a wild story within itself. It's just still happening current day.
My dad's story is not over. Like it's not, it's still live action, you know?

Speaker 2 But my dad has always cared about me and he loves me. I know that.
But it's really hard to be present as a father

Speaker 2 for, you know, 32 years. when your main focus is alcohol and drugs.

Speaker 2 And if you're in prison or jail, even if you're you're in jail, at least for that case, he was in jail for something, but then he got more time for breaking that dude's jaw. Like, I know he loves me.

Speaker 2 I know he cares about me, but it was tough. Going back to another time my dad went to jail, though, and the bullying scenario, there was this kid named Charlie.

Speaker 2 I won't say his last name because I don't want to embarrass him because he's probably older now and doesn't want, you know, doesn't, probably is very different than he was when I was a little boy. But

Speaker 2 in the middle of all this bullying, this kid, Charlie, his parents were really rough on him and weren't letting him stay at the house. So I was letting him stay at my house, but my mom hated him.

Speaker 2 My mom didn't want him around because she heard bad things about him from other parents. And I just lied about his name and never told her his real name.
So she called him a fake name for a long time.

Speaker 2 Out of nowhere, the kids that were bullying me got him to join the I Hate Ryan group. And, you know, it was all over something stupid.

Speaker 2 If I can remember, it was about like a fake hit of acid that was sold that like I don't even remember doing, to be honest with you. But all of these people just wanted to hate me.

Speaker 2 And they wanted to arrange this fight to happen at this park. And the goal was for me to fight Charlie one-on-one.

Speaker 2 So a guy that was my friend that I was giving a place to sleep every night, you know, at risk of me getting in trouble for lying about who he was for a while, now he wants to fight me.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, all right, dude, let's go.

Speaker 2 My mom freaks out about it, of course, because she's my mother, and she calls my dad, which she never would do unless it's an emergency because my mom and my dad are like very different people oil and water you know my mom is just an angel never did drugs never got in trouble very different person um

Speaker 2 calls my dad my dad shows up to you know and he's he's wasted he's on drugs he's with my sister and brother's mom lauren at the time who passed but she was wasted, had one of those big plastic cups full of vodka and Coca-Cola, like exactly exactly what you'd imagine it to be.

Speaker 2 And they want to come with me while I fight this kid one-on-one to make sure everything's fair. And I was like, okay, you know, that's, that's all right if you want to do that.

Speaker 2 We show up at this park. No exaggeration to you, Sean.
I'm not even embellishing this. There were 40 kids at this park that were trying to come at me.

Speaker 2 Like there's a basketball court in the back of the park. And then it's just a lot of like walkway up to it.
It's like playground. There's a creek.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, and then in the back was a basketball court. There was no exaggeration, 40 kids there.
So the goal was to fight Charlie one-on-one. And I was willing to do that.
My dad comes up.

Speaker 2 He sees that I'm about to get attacked by a bunch of kids at the same time. And he just starts swinging on kids.
Like he's punching all of these kids. He threw one into a bike.

Speaker 2 It hit his head on a, on a, you know, a peg on a bicycle. One of them, like, into the basketball court thing.
Like, he hits Charlie. All these kids, Charlie's mom drives by after.

Speaker 2 She's screaming out the window. Like, F U F to my mom.
Like, it was a disaster. My dad gets arrested for beating up kids, obviously, does two years for that for me.

Speaker 2 Even though I didn't ask him to go fight a bunch of kids,

Speaker 2 what he didn't realize, even though he thought he was doing something good for me, and he stopped me from getting jumped by 40 people.

Speaker 2 And, you know,

Speaker 2 he tried to do what he thought a father would do in that scenario. But what happened was...

Speaker 2 Everybody now hated me even more because I got my dad to go beat somebody up or beat everybody up for me, which I didn't, but it looked that way at the time. So it forced me out of that school.

Speaker 2 It forced me out of that town. And my dad had to do two years in prison for it.

Speaker 2 And, you know,

Speaker 2 he's never thrown it in my face. Never done it.
Like, as much as I, like I said, my dad's a piece of work. He really is.

Speaker 2 He's surprising sometimes when it comes to those things.

Speaker 2 I love him to death. I do, but he's just, he's not my mom.
They're very different people, you know?

Speaker 2 And then, like I said, my grandfather was like a father figure to me my whole life, where I had stability with him.

Speaker 1 Whose side?

Speaker 2 Mom's side.

Speaker 2 My mom's side. My dad's side, my grandfather was macheted to death in Florida.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 So my Uncle Michael, my dad's brother, stabbed to death in Chichester, PA. My grandfather, macheteed to death on my dad's side in Florida.

Speaker 2 My, my, uh, Uncle Richie overdoses on fentanyl when it comes out by snorting it, not by injecting it.

Speaker 2 Uncle Richie's daughter just was on that interview. All of the other family still currently on drugs.

Speaker 2 One of our long, like my dad's long-term family friends just passed a couple days ago, three days ago, named Paul Lozak. He just passed overdose, most likely, but not 100% sure.

Speaker 2 So I don't want to say that in stone. I know his dad's a, like, I just, I don't want to embarrass the family.
So actually, maybe I shouldn't even have said that. But

Speaker 2 the, you know, I feel horrible for his family. and um my uh my grandmom and my aunt they dealt with all of that, you know, losing all their kids.

Speaker 2 And my aunt grew up with with some birth defects and she didn't make it very long.

Speaker 2 She died a couple years in between our interviews within a month or so of my grandmother passing away on my dad's side.

Speaker 2 So we had a double funeral and almost everyone except maybe two people at the funeral were high. Maybe three.
Jeez, damn.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's it's a it's sad, man, but that's what Philadelphia and this and the out like the surrounding cities look like right now.

Speaker 1 And that is like some serious generational trauma.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, that's just, there's so much more to that, to the crime stuff, too. So I want to get into that.
And

Speaker 2 I don't want to cut you off at all. I just wanted to finish that real quick.
It's just the,

Speaker 2 like, I don't want to make my dad look bad. That's not why I'm on here because I really don't.
Like, I know.

Speaker 2 I know that in a different world, in a different circumstance, he would not be the way that he is.

Speaker 2 And if he could beat addiction, and maybe one day he will, I know that he will be, he, he will be just as caring as I will be when I have my first kid.

Speaker 2 Um, but I, you know, as of right now, I know he loves, loves me, and I can't change, I can't change him as a person. I love it.
So, I guess I'll keep it at that with him.

Speaker 2 And I'll get back into the legal stuff when you're done. I don't want to, I'm on a tangent.

Speaker 1 No, it's fine, man. It's fine.
I mean, you know, one question, I mean, growing up with that and

Speaker 1 still dealing with that side of the family and all the addiction. And I mean, I'm kind of curious, you know, and you've owned recovery centers.
Are you still involved in recovery at all?

Speaker 2 No, I mean, I've never claimed to like, well, at one point, you know, I talked about how many years I was clean and all that. I don't do drugs.
I don't drink. I don't smoke weed.

Speaker 2 So technically, yeah, I'm in recovery or clean if you define it in those words. But I don't practice it.

Speaker 2 So I can't, I wouldn't go to like an AA meeting or NA meeting and feel confident saying like, I am, I am something I'm not.

Speaker 1 That's not what I meant. I meant, do you, are you still involved in helping people recover?

Speaker 2 Indirectly, yes.

Speaker 2 So like if somebody wants help, if somebody like, like for example, if my cousin that was just recorded in a street interview said, hey, I want to go to rehab, I have the connections that could put her in a place, insurance or not.

Speaker 2 I'll make sure she gets help. And I do that all the time if people need help.
So in that regard, yes. I own a healthcare company.

Speaker 2 I won't go into all the details details because it's a whole irrelevant story, but we audit charge for behavioral health and we do a great job at it. So, it's still indirectly helping

Speaker 2 rehab stay afloat, do well, helping people that are in treatment stay in treatment without their insurance kicking them out to the street. So, yeah, indirectly, yes, not directly anymore.

Speaker 1 You know, where I'm going with this is,

Speaker 1 I mean, the fentanyl epidemic is massive. It's huge.
Huge. I mean,

Speaker 1 hundreds of thousands of people are dying from from it.

Speaker 1 Having been through it, having been through recovery, you know, and we talked a lot about this. I mean, you lost your best friend growing up.
I lost my best friend. We shared that story.

Speaker 1 There's this flag up there, you know. I mean,

Speaker 1 and so, you know, I mean,

Speaker 1 where I'm going with this is everybody knows somebody that's addicted to heroin, fentanyl, opiates, you know,

Speaker 1 one narcotic or another. And And the addiction problem just seems to be getting worse and worse and worse.

Speaker 1 And so with somebody who has as much experience as you have, I mean, what is your advice for somebody who has a loved one who is addicted to heroin, fentanyl, meth, anything?

Speaker 1 It's my advice. That's going to ruin their life.
Because you and the reason I'm asking is I see, you know, I almost did it. I mean, you will see

Speaker 1 people with a loved one who's suffering from an addiction like that,

Speaker 1 their life will, they will ruin their own life

Speaker 1 trying to save somebody who doesn't want to be saved. And so that's kind of what I'm asking.
You know, how do you

Speaker 2 totally understand what you're saying? And

Speaker 2 I wish there was the perfect answer for it, but

Speaker 2 you're going to hear the

Speaker 2 common, you know, they need to want it. Like they need to want to be clean, which is true.
I believe that they have to want to go through it. They want to have a new life.

Speaker 2 They want to have a new future to stop using. I truly believe that.
But

Speaker 2 on the other hand, they may not realize that they want it because they haven't been clean long enough to realize what the difference is because

Speaker 2 their normal is high or their normal is like what they believe is sober is high. So for them to want it would be pretty difficult.

Speaker 2 The only time they may want it is when they're sick, when they're withdrawn.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I think that, you know, forcing them to, well, because certain states like Florida, we have a Baker Act. If you're a harm to yourself or others, you can be forced into a hospital.

Speaker 2 I think in certain cases, especially when you're doing this new stuff, it's not just fentanyl. There's xylosine, metatomidine,

Speaker 2 all these tranquilizers that are not even opioids that Narcan can't bring you back from if you're overdosing.

Speaker 2 If you really, if you want to, you know, if you like.

Speaker 2 You may need to like those, well, I'm sorry. The tranquilizers, even if you are smoking them, if you're snorting them, if you're swallowing them, they're, they're creating holes in your skin.

Speaker 2 Like that, oh, I don't know if you've seen crocodil, like the stuff that people inject, like the

Speaker 2 cheap heroin. It's not real heroin.

Speaker 2 These tranquilizers are putting holes in people's arms and legs. And they're walking around Kensington, Philadelphia, looking like zombies with like actual legs and arms cut off.
What? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You can look up videos. It's crazy.
So

Speaker 2 they're at a point where they're going to die from sepsis sepsis or from an abscess or from an infection or septic shock or whatever it ends up being. Force them into a hospital.

Speaker 2 Force them to get over the physical withdrawal. Get them into a program if you can somehow pull it off and see what happens.
But I can't make any promises.

Speaker 2 Addiction, the only reason that I stopped was because I had enough time away. I was forced.
I had no choice.

Speaker 2 And I want to get into something real quick. So

Speaker 2 before I got clean, I was still actively using. I got sent to all these different schools.
I went to Buxmont Academy, which was a pet smart that got converted into a school. And there was no walls.

Speaker 2 It was just a big warehouse that had rolling dividers for the classrooms that you could reach your hand over and you'd be in the other classroom.

Speaker 2 That was my high school for ninth grade, I believe it was.

Speaker 2 And then,

Speaker 2 like I said, I dropped out going into 10th grade. But I did ninth grade, a place called Buxmont, which is for bad kids, or because I had what's called an IEP.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you ever heard of it, an individual education plan.

Speaker 2 It's for kids that have learning disabilities, whether it be you have trouble reading, you have trouble with math, or in my case, it was from trauma or it was called an emotional support IEP. So

Speaker 2 they realized I wasn't. getting along with kids in my school.
It was a lot of fights, a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 So they decided to send me to Buxmont, which was a Petco or Pet Smart, or I think it was a Petco, Petco that was converted into a school. Lots of fighting in there.
Lots of, you know,

Speaker 2 not the greatest education. Some of the teachers meant very well, but not the greatest education you could get.
And

Speaker 2 crazily enough, and I know people are going to comment about this and say that I was abused. And maybe it's categorized as that way.

Speaker 2 But the guidance counselor at Buxmont. was in college and I was, you know, like 14.
How old would you be in ninth grade? Like 15 or 16?

Speaker 1 Ninth grade? Yeah. I think you'd be, yeah, 14, 15.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So she knew, she was my guidance counselor. She knew how old I was because she was my guidance counselor.
And she had the nerve to come to my house one day.

Speaker 2 Her and I were texting, talking to each other at that time inappropriately. And she had the nerve to show up at my house, meet my mother, and go up into my bedroom.
And my mom didn't know who she was.

Speaker 2 So that's why there wasn't a fight about this. But the guidance counselor that worked at the college, like, so she, I guess she was a college student as well as working at Buxmont.

Speaker 2 Technically, I would just say, you know, it's what she did was illegal.

Speaker 2 I don't recall being traumatized from it.

Speaker 2 If I was a girl saying the same thing, I don't think I would agree with anything I'm saying. If a guy was, I know that it doesn't sound right.
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 Hold up, what is she saying?

Speaker 2 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 What is she saying to you?

Speaker 2 Who, the guidance counselor? Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 2 she came to my house in my room. So, like, you know, she was, she,

Speaker 2 the whole thing.

Speaker 1 So. She wants to have sex with you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, well, yeah, I mean, we, we talked inappropriately.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So if you want to say.

Speaker 1 Did it go into more than talking?

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, but it's, there's another situation that was inappropriate as well with a psychiatrist, ironically. What the?

Speaker 2 With you? With me, yeah. But it was, it was.

Speaker 2 Hold on.

Speaker 1 How old are you? You're in the... Ninth grade.
You're in ninth grade. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 you have a guidance

Speaker 1 counselor wanting to have sex with you. And apparently you guys did some...

Speaker 1 Maybe

Speaker 1 you acted on it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there was maybe something happened.

Speaker 2 But either way, with bare minimum, like a little relationship we had for a short period of time.

Speaker 1 How did she show up at your house?

Speaker 2 You drove.

Speaker 1 To do what? Were you there?

Speaker 2 I was home, yeah. Yeah, like she came up into my bedroom.
And we, I remember,

Speaker 2 I have a vivid memory.

Speaker 1 So she shows up to your house as a friend, is a friend, and your mom thinks that maybe this is another ninth grader or somebody else.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she was, yeah, like without going into details of who she is. She was, she did, she looked younger.
She was in college. Shit, dude.
Yeah, so technically, legally, what she did was very wrong.

Speaker 2 I don't feel traumatized from it, nor do I agree with what she did. So don't get me wrong when I say that.

Speaker 2 But I don't feel like, you know,

Speaker 2 it's just everybody has their own thing, right? What I do feel a little bit upset about that I thought about later in life that contributed to my addiction problems is

Speaker 2 because my mom was so against me on being on medications, even before I did drugs, she told the school with the IEP, the individual education education,

Speaker 2 individual education plan,

Speaker 2 she was so adamant that I would be on no medications. She didn't want me on meds.
And I understand that. Like meds usually are a bad move for a kid.
and

Speaker 2 the school eventually says he either needs to be on meds or we're putting him somewhere else so my mom sends me to this psychiatrist who is a doctor and she at first gives me some antidepressants and you know nothing too crazy and um

Speaker 2 i have a bad reaction to one called pristique it was a it's also known as a fexor it's a it's a antidepressant SSRI.

Speaker 2 I had a bad reaction, made me feel really weird, maybe not feel good at all, like mentally.

Speaker 2 i stopped taking that med in between then if you remember the chat application skype she reached out to me on skype and told me that her husband she believes is cheating on her and he is gone he goes to philadelphia all the time and goes to clubs and would i mind checking out his computer to see if they were cheating if he was cheating on her and i'm a little boy at this point and i agree to it because it was like okay she's asking me for something this is weird but she's my psychiatrist you know whatever.

Speaker 2 So I agree to do that. I go through the computer.
And now I start to realize like, I know more about this woman. Like, I got her logins for things.
I got that.

Speaker 2 Like, I got all kinds of things that I shouldn't have. And I'm addicted to drugs.
And I can get this psychiatrist to give me whatever I want. So I kind of abuse the situation because she went too far.

Speaker 2 She shouldn't have. made anything personal about that relationship.
And there's more to it than that, but I'm going to keep that personal relationship at where it is.

Speaker 2 But she ends up prescribing me to, this is what I'll tell you exactly what I was prescribed to as a little boy. Three two milligrams Xanax a day.
So six milligrams Xanax.

Speaker 2 I was prescribed to one 30 milligram Adderol, 10 milligrams Aritalin, and 70 milligrams of Vivance every single day. What's Vivan? Vivance

Speaker 2 is the same amphetamine. It's called list dextroamphetamine.
And when you take it, the proteins in your liver convert it to dextroamphetamine. So it's just essentially another stimulant.
And

Speaker 2 I was prescribed to three different stimulants at the same time with Xanax while I'm doing heroin. And the psychiatrist knows that.
She knows I'm on probation. She knows that I'm a heroin addict.

Speaker 2 She knows that I have leverage on her because of what she asked me to do and some other inappropriate things that she did.

Speaker 1 What are the other inappropriate things?

Speaker 2 I don't want to talk about it on here.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 2 Because I don't want, I don't, it's over. You know? All right.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you off camera.

Speaker 2 It's nothing that I'm traumatized by.

Speaker 1 Are they sexual?

Speaker 2 It's nothing I'm traumatized by.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's stuff that...

Speaker 1 Right. The reason I'm asking is, I mean, what you're doing right now is going after sexual predators.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you just told me you had an encounter with one, whether you're traumatized by it or not. It's still wrong.
It's still wrong.

Speaker 1 I mean, she went into your home with your mom there, with your mother there, and posed as a fucking friend instead of a guidance counselor. Yes.
I mean, this shit's happening

Speaker 1 all over the world. Yeah, I know.
And then again.

Speaker 2 I minimize it. I get it.
I understand I'm minimizing it for myself.

Speaker 1 A psychiatrist. And so what you say you're not traumatized by,

Speaker 1 I'm assuming it's another sexual encounter. But these are professionals.
And I think it's important to highlight that because that's what we want to do here, right?

Speaker 1 This interview is to bring out how real this shit is, who's doing it.

Speaker 1 And the point that I'm making here is it's not somebody from the hood. It's not, or maybe it is, maybe it is somebody from the hood.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's somebody from the trailer park, but it's also teachers, doctors, psychiatrists, guidance counselors, rabbis,

Speaker 1 as you just saw, rabbis, priests.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 state troopers. State troopers.
I mean, it's, it's,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 business, it's, it is everywhere. It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 You cannot,

Speaker 1 You cannot profile. It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 It's the rich, it's the poor, it's every race. Male, female.
Male, female. It is everywhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I just want to clarify because if somebody else was telling this story, I would be going after them.

Speaker 2 But for whatever reason, internally,

Speaker 2 I don't care for myself,

Speaker 2 which which I don't know how to answer why, but there is no situation where I think that's okay for anyone else, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 I know it doesn't, it doesn't make a ton of sense probably to you because you're hearing from the guy.

Speaker 1 I understand it because you don't feel traumatized by it, which means you are, you are, you know,

Speaker 1 you're dubbing it down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't think.

Speaker 1 I think the effects for you weren't, you know, you don't think that they were traumatic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, they didn't take away my trust in women. They didn't take away, like, I don't know.
It's just, it's not the average situation for me. But that doesn't mean that I agree with it.

Speaker 2 I don't, I obviously am highly against it. It's what I focus half my life on.
So I know it's a, it's, it's backwards and almost hypocritical. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 I don't want to lie to you and say I'm traumatized, but I'm, and I don't feel traumatized.

Speaker 1 Without going into detail,

Speaker 1 and if you don't have to answer this, but I mean, did you enjoy it?

Speaker 2 Or

Speaker 1 you did enjoy it. Yes.
You didn't feel violated. No.

Speaker 2 No, no. I remember clear as day at 32 years old wanting to.

Speaker 1 How did those relationships end then?

Speaker 2 Just, I guess, stop talking, me getting locked up. I mean, I was locked up so many times as a kid.

Speaker 1 You ended it?

Speaker 2 I'm sure it just ended because I don't remember having to be like, we're over, you know?

Speaker 1 How old is this psychiatrist?

Speaker 2 The psychiatrist was substantially older than the

Speaker 1 40s, 50s?

Speaker 2 40s at the time.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, substantially older. But the guidance counselor was a college student.
So not that much older than me, but still an adult.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, and then on top of that, like, what kind of fucked up women are these? You know, you got one that's a guidance counselor and another one that's a psychiatrist. And

Speaker 1 hear me out. You know what I mean? Not only are they not, not only are they targeting a, what, a 14-year-old, 15-year-old,

Speaker 1 they're they're targeting a 14- or 15-year-old that is fucked up on opiates

Speaker 2 with mental health

Speaker 2 disorders.

Speaker 2 Antidepressants.

Speaker 1 It's like you were targeted because of the situation that you're in.

Speaker 2 Well, that's from an outsider looking in. I don't feel that way.
You know, so like, I get what you're saying. And I would feel the same way that you're feeling.
I just don't feel that way.

Speaker 2 So that's why it's hard for me to comprehend. And I don't call it trauma for myself, even though everyone I've talked to has said has reacted in the same way that you do.

Speaker 2 I just can't lie and say, like, yeah, I'm a victim.

Speaker 1 I'm not, that's not where I'm going. Where I'm going is, I'm just, you know, I'm shining the light on it.
I'm saying, you know, this is

Speaker 2 prevalent.

Speaker 1 And the reason I'm bringing it up is

Speaker 2 I know it's wrong. That's why I'm bringing it up.
Yeah. And I didn't bring it up ever before publicly, ever, because I didn't want this.
Yeah, I know it's an awkward thing. But,

Speaker 2 you know, it's over with. It caused caused the, the, you know, whatever, if it caught, the only damage that it did cause me was being hooked on all that Xanax.

Speaker 2 And the amphetamines, it's more in your head. Like the physical addiction isn't really there with amphetamines.
It's more of like a, like you want it and you, it's hard to function without them.

Speaker 2 The benzos, on the other hand, taking six milligrams of Xanax, it's really, really hard to stop. So for her to give me the max dose that I feel like you could have given a kid at that time,

Speaker 2 that was a very bad move. And then she even got it.
When I went to the detention detention center.

Speaker 2 She was making sure I was prescribed to it in the Lyman Detention Center, which was in Delaware County where I grew up.

Speaker 2 She made sure that I was on all those meds in a jail cell. So like I was consistently messed up.

Speaker 2 And then eventually I was in Lyman Detention Center and a guy named Dale, he was one of the guards there who I still talk to current day.

Speaker 2 Dale realizes I'm sleeping every day, all day long, and he's worried about me. He goes to the nurses station, they pull me off the meds.

Speaker 2 But since I was one of, if not the only kid ever to be prescribed to these medications in the detention center, they don't know how to detox me properly. So they got me on Suboxins to get off of the

Speaker 2 opiates. They got me on the Xanax and all of the stimulants.
They cut me off all the stimulants and they just half the Xanax immediately. They won.

Speaker 2 And then no Suboxins. So I'm going through opioid withdrawal.

Speaker 2 And I'm going through benzo withdrawal all at the same time in a jail cell by myself on a cement bed with no TV, no extra food, nothing that's comfortable but some, you know, the flame-resistant blankets that are wool that like, you know, make your skin itchy.

Speaker 2 Like I had, it was, you know, one of the worst places you could detox ever.

Speaker 2 And I went through that many times in the detention center with heroin alone, but then mixing with the medications made it way worse.

Speaker 2 But every single time that I would get out, I would go right back onto the drugs, promising myself, myself and my mom, that I was done. So like,

Speaker 2 like I was saying earlier, addiction is really hard. It's just, it takes grips that you don't, you can't even imagine.

Speaker 2 And I, and if anyone's listening to this episode that has ever done drugs, like nobody woke up saying, I'm going to put a needle on my arm. Nobody woke up one day saying, I'm going to be an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 Nobody ever thought that that was going to happen to them. But in certain cases, it does.
So just don't even take the chance.

Speaker 2 And for me, I never would have guessed with all of the people that I had as examples to not be like that I was going to be just as addicted as they were.

Speaker 2 So skipping a bunch of stuff because I know I'm going on for a while now about the childhood stuff.

Speaker 2 I get sent to a facility called Devereaux, which this is another mind blower, man.

Speaker 2 So I'm in Devereaux and Devereux is a residential facility for kids that got in trouble and it's a long-term residential. And I end up there for more drug charges.

Speaker 2 And I'm in class because you still have to go to school when you're in these places. So this was actually before

Speaker 2 ninth grade. So I guess eighth grade around then, eighth, ninth grade, somewhere around that time.
I can get the exact date when I read this thing to you. But I'm in the classroom.

Speaker 2 And I remember I'm drawing a picture of the Monopoly guy, like the, like, you know, with the, with the, the little magnifying glass thing. So I have a piece of paper on top of the monopoly board.

Speaker 2 I'm drawing him and there's like there are the chairs that you sit in, but then there's like a table that goes out in front and then there's metal that's holding like the table up

Speaker 2 i'm drawing the thing and i hear this kid behind me talking about that he has a gun and i'm hearing like little pieces of it but i hear that he has a gun and i know that he just got back from a home pass which means like he got the agreement to he'd go home for you know the weekend and then he could go back to the facility like some of these kids are there for years at a time you know like so getting a home pass is a big deal This kid somehow got a gun, at least at this time I'm hearing, I'm hearing the gun thing, and I don't know if I'm about to get the back of my head blown off you know because i'm hearing about a gun behind me and uh out of nowhere i hear like metal but like this is plastic but i hear metal on the table like like that

Speaker 2 and it was like almost like the kid pulled the gun out of the out of the bag and it hit the table is what it sounded like so i turned around i like quickly thinking like i'm about to die you know i see this gun and obviously grab it grab everything that I possibly could.

Speaker 2 He had a backpack that he had the gun in. I'm I'm running down the hallway.

Speaker 2 I run into the front desk. There's a gun.
There's a gun. And I'm screaming.
And like, because I, you know, I'm in the school technically with a gun.

Speaker 2 The cops come.

Speaker 2 I'm being held, obviously, in a room by myself at this time. And the cops come, they arrest this kid.

Speaker 2 They send me home.

Speaker 2 Within 24 hours, they sent me home because they didn't want other kids to retaliate because they didn't know what really was going on. So

Speaker 2 let me read to you actually the letter from the assistant district attorney at that time.

Speaker 2 Hold on one second.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 there's more to the story that's unbelievable and how unfairly things were, just were how I was treated. And even my, like, I would count my mom in there too, because she tried so hard.

Speaker 2 And they just kept hammering, throwing the book at me for self-harm, as you said.

Speaker 2 All right, here it is.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 February 25th, 2011. So actually, I would have been, I think, 17 there.
So I would have been a little bit later, right before I got in trouble for the last time.

Speaker 2 In the interest of Ryan Montgomery, dear Katie, who was my probation officer at the time as a juvenile, I'm writing to advise you in the court that the above juvenile, Ryan Matthew Montgomery, did assist the Commonwealth in the successful prosecution of two other juveniles for the possession possession of a loaded functional.45 caliber handgun in the Devereaux facility where Ryan has been placed.

Speaker 2 On Friday morning, February 4th, 2011, Ryan discovered that a juvenile was in possession of a firearm at the Devereaux facility and he promptly notified the facility staff who recovered the weapon.

Speaker 2 Prior to Ryan notifying the staff, other placed juveniles had been aware of the presence of the firearm in the facility but took no action to alert staff.

Speaker 2 Ryan's testimony, if it had been needed, would have been vital to the Commonwealth's case.

Speaker 2 Ryan's actions are also commendable in that he acted where others failed to do so and may have prevented a very serious incident at Devereux. Ryan recognized the

Speaker 2 seriousness of the situation and disregarded any possible retaliation by others for alerting staff. It's a pleasure to write this letter for Ryan,

Speaker 2 respectfully, Edward J. Gallen, Assistant District Attorney, Juvenile Unit.

Speaker 2 I'll show you the letter so you can see it's

Speaker 2 a nice letter, like on a nice letterhead. It was obviously very nice of him to write that for me.

Speaker 2 So I'm home because they're scared that someone's going to retaliate. And they send me back to court, you know, because they got to figure out what to do with me, right?

Speaker 2 So I'm sitting at home for three or four days. I go back to court

Speaker 2 and I go into Master Kern, it was his name,

Speaker 2 was the guy. I give him that letter.
My mom wrote a letter. He knows that I just stopped.

Speaker 2 The kids' plan was, by the way, to shoot up the whole classroom and steal the uh

Speaker 2 to steal the teacher's car and and take a couple kids with him that was his plan i stopped that plan there was only one way out of that classroom so i genuinely believe that i would have died that day if i didn't act um holy shit and a lot of other kids would have been dead too uh so i'm home for a couple days Obviously, for him to go out of his way to write this letter for me and all these people are commending me for the, like, which was, you know, I think a good thing for me to do at a young age.

Speaker 2 Master Kern, where do you think he sent me he think he sent me back home

Speaker 2 no he sends me back to the juvenile detention center the worst place he could have sent me back into a jail cell back off of all my medications to sit there for three months which is the max you can sit there until they place you till they send me to another rehab which wasn't a residential thankfully but another rehab where you usually stay about 28 days as a juvenile they i was there 38 days i get out of there relapse the first night end up getting put back on parole

Speaker 2 And it just ended, it was a disaster, man. And then eventually it ends up with a guy named Matt Pfeiffer, who a good friend of mine, Jim, he's an old man.
He went to Vietnam.

Speaker 2 He's been in and out of jail a long time, but off drugs a long time.

Speaker 2 He had the same parole officer as me. And he said he was going to kill Matt Pfeiffer.
He ends up getting locked up for saying he's going to kill Matt Pfeiffer like a long time ago.

Speaker 2 He didn't really mean it. He said it at the VA to his doctor.
And

Speaker 2 the guy was very hard on me. I remember one day, this is, you know, the last thing I'll talk about legally, but he told me that I didn't have a real job.

Speaker 2 And I knew that the affiliate marketing, I was making more money than him. That's the truth.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he told me I didn't have a real job. I needed to go to an office.
So I found a place called Answering Service for Directors. So

Speaker 2 it was like for funeral directors.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I started working there. I got referred there by somebody else who was a previous heroin addict.

Speaker 2 That dude starts starts doing heroin in the bathroom at work. I get fired for not advancing fast enough on their computer systems.
That was the reason they fired me.

Speaker 2 So I'm, you know, that part was funny. But, you know, I wasn't doing drugs.
I really wasn't at that time.

Speaker 2 And I remember being in the parking lot and him telling me that if I didn't have a job, that he was going to violate me, which I didn't realize he couldn't do at that time.

Speaker 2 Or I guess he could have figured something out, but whatever. I was on the phone with my mom crying my eyes eyes out thinking like, I am so screwed.
And

Speaker 2 he was just so mean to me, man. He treated me so badly.
And then when I failed a drug test for him, the last time I ever got ever, like at 17 years old, I failed a drug test for him.

Speaker 2 They put me in a really bad spot. This is what happened.

Speaker 2 I had a choice between doing house arrest for six months. and going home that day while withdrawing.
I had to make this choice or doing two years in a George Jr., a juvenile boot camp.

Speaker 2 I chose to go home on house arrest and

Speaker 2 go with adult parole. And I failed two drug tests in two weeks because obviously I was withdrawing as a kid in a juvenile detention center.

Speaker 2 This dude, Matt Pfeiffer, violates me, re-sentences me for the possession with intended deliver of heroin, even though I wasn't selling heroin. I just had it in individual bags.

Speaker 2 That's how heroin comes.

Speaker 2 I can prove that too. Like literally, that's not just me saying that to make myself look good.
I never was selling heroin. I just had and I was with people that we just picked up heroin.
He

Speaker 2 violates me on that and re-sentences me for a failed drug test. Not because I got caught selling heroin or had more heroin on me, because I peed in a cup.

Speaker 2 And the sentence on that looks at two to four years. So I'm sitting in the

Speaker 2 George Jr., or I'm sorry, not George Jr., George W. Hill Correctional Facility.
I'm sitting there six plus months waiting on a Gagnon 2 hearing, which you're supposed to get in the first two weeks.

Speaker 2 That's part of parole or whatever. And he eventually sentenced me to two to four years.
And I got out with good time. If you count the juvenile and the adult stuff together, it's 20 months.

Speaker 2 And I finally get out of there. I had a couple of years left to parole left to go.
And the second that I got off is when I left for Florida. So like that, that was the end.

Speaker 2 My addiction, the reason why I stopped wasn't rehab. It wasn't because somebody said something to me that changed something.

Speaker 2 It wasn't because I looked at my family and was scared that I was going to die. It was because I spent enough time away from it.
And in the worst possible scenario you can imagine,

Speaker 2 to, you know, I just didn't ever want to get high again. It was over.
The thought was out of my brain. Wow.
And I just left Pennsylvania and never looked back.

Speaker 2 So that's that's the actual story that I've never talked about before. And damn, Ryan.
There's more to it, but I just, you know, I'm on a little bit of a rampage with what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 So what more else are? Just all the different times I've been in trouble for stupid stuff. But it just, it was countless times as a kid.
Never as an adult once, but as a kid, countless.

Speaker 1 I mean, how do you maintain the relationship with your mom? I mean, you guys are really tight. We talk a lot about her.

Speaker 2 Love my mom to death. And my mom was there for me throughout all of this.
Like, my mom got there. She never gave up on you.
And she never gave up on me.

Speaker 2 Even when she got diagnosed with her first round of cancer, like, she's like, I don't want to get too much in her. It's going to upset me.
But she's still sick and still going through stuff.

Speaker 2 But when she got breast cancer for the first time,

Speaker 2 she got chemo radiation. And I was still using it.

Speaker 2 I was still getting in trouble like i tried my best to leave her out of it i really did but like she's the only one really there for me at that time and other than my grandparents which i didn't live with them because i had a stepdad at the time which like i said my grandpa was like a dad to me but you just want to like

Speaker 1 you your mom is going through cancer treatment battling cancer and her son you are still jamming needles in your arm yeah i mean that's all that's a lot for a woman to go through man i know and i feel horrible i feel I mean, if I could take that back, I would do anything to take that back.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 can't change it. All I can do is be a better son, and I think I'm doing a great job of that.

Speaker 2 Like, anything she needs now, if my mom wants to go to Bermuda and she wants to be floating around, you know, in a hot tub in a hot dog outfit, I'll make it happen tomorrow for her. So

Speaker 2 I think that...

Speaker 2 you know, maybe it doesn't make up for the things I've done to her, but anything she wants, anything she needs, anything that she's uncomfortable with, I will make sure that my mom is number one priority because she made me her number one priority when she didn't have it in her.

Speaker 2 My mom was a bartender for most of my life. Like she worked just so that she could get food on the table for me.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 she didn't have, like, you know, that's late nights and sometimes working days just because she couldn't do it. Like whatever, you know, but she just did a lot for me.
And I owe her the world. And

Speaker 2 like where money really wasn't a thing for my family, she made made up for it in every other way you possibly could.

Speaker 2 So I love my mom to death.

Speaker 1 Damn, man.

Speaker 1 I'm just curious, you know, when you did get clean, when you cleaned it up, did you know you were clean for good?

Speaker 2 Yes. You did?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was, I would never, never getting myself put back in a facility like that again, never putting myself in that situation, never hanging out with the same group of people again.

Speaker 2 I was so done. I just wanted parole to be over with because I couldn't leave the state.
So the second that I was able to leave the state, I was out. And that was it.
That was the end of it.

Speaker 1 How did your mom take it?

Speaker 2 My mom was very, all of them, my grandpa.

Speaker 1 When you were clean for the final time, I mean, how long do you think it took your mom to realize he's good?

Speaker 2 She still texts me, hey, Rye, are you okay? Every single day. She shares my health app with me current day.

Speaker 2 She sees my heart rate, my resting heart rate, my steps, my respiratory rate, my wrist temperature. You name it.
My mom's got it. So I don't think that fear will ever leave her,

Speaker 2 sadly, but she checks it. The second she wakes up, she makes sure that I got up with the health app on the phone.
And if I don't answer her text, then she'll call me.

Speaker 2 If I don't answer, and this has only happened one time, but if I don't answer her calls, she'll start calling my friends. Because she knows I live alone, you know, and she lives in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 I live at the bottom of the country. Like, what if I'm in my house dead? Like, I know it's an extreme, but she doesn't know.
So she'll call my friends to make sure I'm all right. And I call her.

Speaker 2 I can't call her in in the middle of the day, but I text her back. And at nighttime, before I go to bed, every night, I call her and say goodnight.

Speaker 2 And I've done that every night since I've left for the last 10 years.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I've been clean, if you count the years, over 14 years. So long time.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Madam.

Speaker 2 Thanks. Well, yeah, I'd be seven.
I got clean at 17, and I'm 32 now. So it's, it's

Speaker 2 whatever that exact time frame would be, February. I got arrested again after that.
So if you count whatever that date is in 2011 to now

Speaker 1 I thought we were going to get arrested last time I was in Florida riding around in that Lamborghini of yours.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh, dude, you were gunning it. You were gunning it.

Speaker 2 We put that thing in sport mode and he was just gunning it back.

Speaker 2 Past the police. Yeah, right past the police.
Right past the police. And Sean was not like, it wasn't like he just gunned it once.

Speaker 2 We were on Ocean Ave right by the water in a Lamborghini, orange Lamborghini eventadour. And he just gunned it, stopped.
Gunned it, stopped.

Speaker 2 gunned it like he was it was like a kid on a roller coaster he loved it so I had a ton of fun it was a good time okay so before we go on the break I just want to share something with you so after all of that stuff me getting in trouble a million times as a kid my family having a bad reputation with the last name in the area Montgomery just having a bad name in Delaware County me getting in trouble all like I said all drug related and petty crimes but bad reputation with the cops with with everybody I end up hanging out with this kid Vinny who brings me to a place called Lenai Fire Station, which was a very small firehouse down the street from a big mall that I used to hang out at.

Speaker 2 And there was a guy named Ken Collins who was the chief of Lenai at that time. And he was also a police officer.
He didn't know me, never heard of me, never knew anything about me.

Speaker 2 I go over to Lenai with my friend Vinny and I sit down in the office with, I sit down in the office with Ken Collins and he's willing to give me a chance to be a firefighter at Lenai Firehouse while I'm on parole, while I have this record as a kid, while he doesn't know if I'm going to rob the firehouse for all the stuff to support my addiction.

Speaker 2 Like, he doesn't know anything about me. He just is willing to take a chance on me with, and no one else at this firehouse has any issues like I do.

Speaker 2 This guy just must have saw something in me that I didn't and nobody else must have at the time. And I proved him right.

Speaker 2 I became a firefighter at Lanai, but I didn't have what's called Fire One or Hazmat, so I couldn't go into any of the burning buildings.

Speaker 2 I could just go on calls and I could stand and watch and help with the tools, but that's as much as I could do.

Speaker 2 Then Leni merges with this other firehouse called Lima, Lima Firehouse, which was down the street from the detention center across the street from the mall.

Speaker 2 And it turned into, Leni merged with Lima and became Rocky Run Firehouse. At that time, Ken got,

Speaker 2 he got the county, the same county that's putting my family through hell.

Speaker 2 They paid for me to go to fire school. They paid for me to go through fire school.
I didn't let them down. I showed up every single day, showed up on time.
I passed the first time around.

Speaker 2 I went through the physical exam. I went through the written exam.
I ended up my fire one and my hazmat. I became an actual firefighter for two years.
And

Speaker 2 this man, like, he didn't have to do any of that for me. I called him later in life and it was like, listen, man, like, I am so grateful for you, man.

Speaker 2 Like, you, you showed me that there are good people out there, you know, like people that care. And

Speaker 2 yeah, that's it. That's it.
We can go on the break.

Speaker 1 That's pretty cool, man, but I do have another question.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you were getting clean,

Speaker 1 what was the thing, I mean, it sounds like you had been in rehabs for a very long time. So many.
11 to 17, right?

Speaker 2 So many, yeah, in such a short period of time.

Speaker 1 What was the, I mean, a lot of people are struggling with addiction right now.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Millions of people. Yep.

Speaker 1 What was it for you that was the

Speaker 1 I forgot to clean it up? This was the last straw. This is rock bottom.
What was it?

Speaker 2 Just being stuck in a cell for all that time.

Speaker 2 You know, for, for if you count the juvenile time plus the adult time, 20 months being locked away and not being around these addicts, like around any people, places, and things is what they call it.

Speaker 2 Being around, not being around any of those places, people, or things,

Speaker 2 I think my brain naturally healed itself and realized like maybe you aren't a drug addict for life. Maybe you just are physically dependent on so many things that you feel like you are.

Speaker 2 And that was the truth because I don't care about drugs anymore. I could watch someone shoot up in front of me and I'm not going to think about using heroin.

Speaker 2 Not because I feel like it's more dangerous than it used to be. I just don't.
I have no desire. It's gone.
So

Speaker 2 I guess I just needed the time away. And as much as Matt Pfeiffer, that parole officer that, you know, I don't know because he hasn't answered my calls.
I tried to connect with him as well.

Speaker 2 He won't answer me, even though I left him messages. I would love to know if his intentions were good or bad, or he just didn't care.
I'd love to know, but he's never actually answered me.

Speaker 2 Like, he inadvertently saved my life, whether he did it on purpose or not. I don't think I'd be here talking to you right now if I didn't get locked up for that last time.

Speaker 2 So, yeah,

Speaker 2 that's what got me clean. It's not, it isn't like an epiphany moment that happened that changed the way that I felt about drugs.
It just was the time away from it.

Speaker 1 Do you think there are people that are under the spell of addiction right now that don't see a way out?

Speaker 2 Yes. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What would your advice be for them?

Speaker 2 They need to hospitalize themselves and they

Speaker 2 need to be medicated and put, I mean, especially the tranquilizer addicts right now and the alcoholics. And, you know,

Speaker 2 they will knock you out. So you don't seize, you know, as you say, you don't go into seizures and all of the above.

Speaker 2 just you know get yourself into a hospital or a detox asap and you're going to go through a very comfortable detox and then see how you feel after your body's cleaned up and then decide whether you want to go to rehab afterwards but you know you're never gonna nothing's gonna change if you don't change anything and if you don't want to change you don't like you may not realize you want to change because you don't remember what it's like to feel good anymore you just don't remember so like i said earlier just try it what's the worst thing you take five to seven days goes by and you say screw it i want to go back to this lifestyle it can't hurt just try just try there's people that care about you like you might be somebody's brother or mother brother sister family i mean you could be like people care about you i don't care who you are somebody out there cares about you and they don't want to see you destroy your life and uh and the least you can do for them is try to clean yourself up and i know that i'm i'm hypocritical because i could have done the same thing as a kid and i really believed that i was doing that every time i did get help i believed i was going to stop and i couldn't but you know hindsight's 2020.

Speaker 2 And I,

Speaker 2 yeah, just get help is really the best I could say. Even if you don't feel like you want it, just try it.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you for sharing that. Of course.
You went down.

Speaker 1 You did 7-0H, right?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so not 70H directly. It's just, it's an alkaloid in the Kratom or Kratom plant.
So it's just, it's 7-hydroxyametrogenine, or

Speaker 2 it's pronounced in many ways, but that's the way I pronounce it.

Speaker 2 And it's, you know, with opioids, I was able to take, it was like way back before it was like gas station heroin, because there's different types.

Speaker 2 There's the type that is not banned because it's not, like, it hasn't really killed anyone by itself.

Speaker 2 There's been deaths with it in their system with other drugs, but I don't recall any deaths that were strictly related to kratom or kratom itself.

Speaker 2 I took it to help withdraw from opiates when I wasn't in facilities. And

Speaker 2 it was very, very helpful for me as well. I mean, it was, you know, because it gets rid of withdrawal symptoms.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just did an episode on this with

Speaker 1 an investigative journalist out of Maine and Steve Robinson.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'll check it out.

Speaker 1 And he was talking about how

Speaker 1 he was talking about how bad it is, how many people are getting addicted to this and don't realize how addictive it is because it's over the counter.

Speaker 1 And so I was just curious what your experience was with that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a, it's, I've never done 70H.
I've never done any like the extracts you would get at a gas station, but I've like drink it, like I've made kratom tea and I've, I've tried that.

Speaker 2 You know, like I've tried like the natural ways of it. And it's been very helpful for me when I was in that state.

Speaker 1 Gotcha.

Speaker 2 Gotcha. I'm not saying it's a good idea because it's...

Speaker 2 Even though it is natural, I don't think you can overdose on it. It's not a, like, it is physically addictive.
It is. That's true, but it's it's like a very minor physical withdrawal to my knowledge.

Speaker 2 Um, I wouldn't recommend it for an opioid addict because it's gonna not satisfy your needs. Like you're gonna expect it to do more and it's not gonna do what you're expecting.

Speaker 2 And it's uh, it's you're gonna end up just relapsing. So I wouldn't recommend it.
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 Gotcha. That's the truth.
And then last question before we go on a break. You know, your mom sounds like she's the only person in your life that just never gave up on you.

Speaker 2 My mom and my grandparents. They, they, like my grandparents, my

Speaker 2 grandpa, you know, like my grandpa fathered me. My grandmom was like a second mother to me.

Speaker 2 And then there was a period of time where I had a stepdad and my mom had a house with him where I seen them, but I didn't see them every day like I did for two different portions of my childhood.

Speaker 2 So I would say my mom, my grandma, my grandpop were the keystones, the key, if you combine them together, the keystone of the only safety net I had to fall into and current day like they are my mental safety net and uh i love them to death all of them then my grandfather passed and and i told you that story already but you know i had it i got the blessing of having somebody as a great father figure as i talked about but and but my dad

Speaker 2 you know, missing some aspects of being a father, he showed me that he loved me, but then my grandfather taught me a ton of valuable lessons in life and was there for me for all the other things.

Speaker 2 So I was blessed in many ways.

Speaker 1 Did your mom watch the first episode we did together?

Speaker 2 My mom is like my number one supporter.

Speaker 2 My mom has probably watched that episode multiple times. She's read all the comments.
My mom,

Speaker 2 I don't do any of that. I don't read comments.
I don't do any of that with any of these things that I do. Not only can read my own social media comments.

Speaker 2 But my mom, she's on it. Like, I could ask my mom, what happened in the 45th minute of the first Sean Ryan show?

Speaker 2 And she'd be like, well, you were leaning to your right side and Sean was asking you about, she'll know.

Speaker 1 So let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 What's one thing you've always wanted to tell your mom that you haven't told her?

Speaker 1 And you know she'll be watching this.

Speaker 2 Well, I know she'll be watching.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I guess I don't have a fancy one, but the first thing that comes to mind is like I've said to her a million times that I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 I am very sorry but i know that she's proud of me now and and i'm i i hope that she is proud of herself because she did all of that on her own like as a single mother yeah i had my grandparents and they were very helpful but my mom got pregnant just turning 18 years old you know and to have the terror that i was you know it was not easy for her and uh and

Speaker 2 I know that my story is far from over as well,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 it is night and day from what it was before, and without her, I'm nothing. So, love my mom.
I love, I love you, mom, very much.

Speaker 1 I'm sure she uh is very proud of you, man.

Speaker 2 Yep, she is. She is.

Speaker 2 This show is getting me all emotional. We need to got to take a break.
We got to take a break. I don't know how you do this to me, Sean.

Speaker 1 Let's go blow some shit up. Yeah, that'll help.

Speaker 1 All right, Ryan, back from the break. Dude, your shooting has improved tremendously.
Nice shooting out there.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Your shooting was great, too.
And I don't know if we should address the elephant in the room.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we've got some new

Speaker 1 battle scars out there on the static range.

Speaker 2 So we, for the people that can't, are this going to be for Patreon, right?

Speaker 1 I think we'll probably probably release this one to the masses. But yeah, we do this with almost every guest.
But

Speaker 1 I've only dug out the golden 50 caliber Desert Eagle special for you, Ryan. Thank you.

Speaker 2 And we both get hit with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so apparently the

Speaker 1 brass kicks straight up and smashed us both in the forehead.

Speaker 2 I got a lump. I feel the lump, but Sean got burnt and he got hit with it.
So he's got a combo deal. Mine, I feel it, but I don't know if you can see it on the camera.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I can see it clear as day, buddy.

Speaker 2 That thing,

Speaker 2 you know, it's got some kick to it.

Speaker 2 I've never shot a 50-caliber handgun, so that's a little wild to me. Now you have.
Now I have. Thank you.

Speaker 1 And a.44 and a.357.

Speaker 2 A lot of things.

Speaker 1 Fucking A, man.

Speaker 2 A lot of things. But you were impressive out there.
I can't believe you hit all of them targets with no butt stock, with no sight.

Speaker 2 And you beat me by a couple points, but like I had, I had sights and a butt stock, you know?

Speaker 1 It's not that impressive, Ryan. It would be really impressive.
It would be unimpressive if it was.

Speaker 1 I spent a long time,

Speaker 1 a large portion of my life shooting guns and doing tactics and shit. It would be like, you know, it would be like,

Speaker 1 it would be like, if I beat you in a Hapkin competition, it's just, it's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 But you, you fucking crushed it out there. But hey, let's get into

Speaker 1 some

Speaker 1 more stuff about what happened after our initial interview and talk a little bit more about Pen Tester and everything you guys are doing, wiping people's data from the internet

Speaker 1 and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 And then we'll move into what you've been doing with the Sentinel Foundation and the 764 stuff and

Speaker 1 Roadblocks.

Speaker 2 Roblox.

Speaker 1 Is it Row R O or R O A D?

Speaker 2 It's Roblox, R O.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 A lot of people think it's Roadblocks, but it's Roblox. And it's not just Roblox, but we're like, I'm going to focus on that for now.
And

Speaker 2 I'll blanket it because it's all of these games, all of these platforms.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 starting, I wanted to, you know, if you remember last time,

Speaker 2 we talked about PenTester.

Speaker 2 And the reason why PenTester came up for me at that time, like I can tell you man to man, like there wasn't a conversation with the business partners before I came, like, this is how you're going to say things on the show so that we can get, it wasn't it wasn't that it was and honestly pen tester was only built for businesses back when I came on your show so when at that time it was $49 a month no matter who you signed up and you you had to either put a website or an email in it would do a scan it would tell you if there's any like low-hanging fruit vulnerabilities on your site or

Speaker 2 you know like some data that was breached about you and

Speaker 2 I showed you the reverse facial recognition technology at that time.

Speaker 2 I showed showed you, we looked up Vigilance Elite's website. We found some identifiable information from it.

Speaker 2 And back then, our database was like 130 billion records, which was still the biggest at that time.

Speaker 2 And now it's been three years and we're like 240 billion plus records, which we've gotten way larger when it comes to the data that we have access to.

Speaker 2 Our reverse facial recognition has tripled in size. So, I mean, I could show another example with somebody else here because obviously there's there's so many photos of you online.

Speaker 2 It's not that impressive to, you know, to show it.

Speaker 2 But like we could grab

Speaker 2 anybody you want here and we'll find them.

Speaker 2 And I just want to show that and I want to show the new the new feature that we learned with PenTester over time because we had a ton of people sign up and then we had this one specific breach that happened, which are you familiar with national public data, what happened there?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Okay, so this is very important. And a lot of people are not familiar with it, which is a problem.
So the national public data breach happened a little over a year ago.

Speaker 2 And what happened was there is about 300 million Americans in this country.

Speaker 2 That database had 2.8 billion records in it that included full names, date of births, phone numbers, every address you've ever lived at, and your entire social security number.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 it was leaked onto the internet for anyone to download this. And we created a tool.

Speaker 2 We were actually in Vegas and

Speaker 2 we were talking about it. And we're in Vegas and we're like, we want to build a tool so people can search to see if they've been impacted by this data breach, which

Speaker 2 I'll show you in a second a demo of it.

Speaker 2 So you put in your name, your last name, your year of birth, and

Speaker 2 what state you currently live in or state you've lived in in the past. And then you press search and it would show you the data.
And if you were in it, we'd recommend

Speaker 2 what to do about that, which we weren't trying to sell you on PenTester. We were just trying to get you to either freeze your credit and

Speaker 2 try to protect your identity at the best of your ability or freeze your credit and sign up for PenTester to know about other data that might be breached.

Speaker 2 So it was kind of a dual purpose thing, but the main priority was freeze your credit.

Speaker 2 And I'll explain what that means in a second.

Speaker 2 The national public data breach happened because of they released a file that had credentials in it. And those credentials were easy.
There was a, I think it was pass123 was their, was their password.

Speaker 2 And the database had all of this horrible, you know, not horrible, all of this very private information in it. So like 2.8 billion records is with 300 million Americans.

Speaker 2 That means people that have passed away. That means multiple addresses for every, like, wait do you see how many addresses it has for you?

Speaker 2 And once that data is out there, it's out there.

Speaker 2 It's like you can't, you can remove data from data brokers like white pages, for example or all of those background check websites you can remove that because you have a legal right to request removal of that.

Speaker 2 But when it comes to dark web data or you know breached data all you can do is be aware of it and take action based on your knowledge of it. So we released that tool and we weren't expecting it to be

Speaker 2 as crazy as it was.

Speaker 2 So going on your show, we had a ton of people signing up for business plans like as individuals because they wanted access to the tools I was showing on the show and they were willing to pay that $49 a month just to just to do reverse facial recognition to search themselves in our databases and and we didn't even have any removal services at that time so we learned from your show that

Speaker 2 that we needed we had a need for a personal personal use like for consumers so we made a $19 plan which I said before like if I had this option $49 a month like most people spend $20 on lunch every day so I was saying that with $49.

Speaker 2 I say that even more so with $19 a month. Not only are you getting all of the breach data out there associated with you, your phone number, your addresses, your email, literally all your identifiers,

Speaker 2 and then you can add your family members. So you could add your wife, you can add your parents, you could add your grandparents.

Speaker 2 And then even another thing that people don't know is you can add your children. They may not be in the data brokers yet, but their accounts will show up.

Speaker 2 So we have this tool where we can discover if you have accounts created places. And let's say you have a kid and you told them they're not allowed to have a Snapchat account.

Speaker 2 You put their email and phone number in there. Now we can confirm if they have a Snapchat associated with that email or phone.

Speaker 2 And there's no one else that has that integration with a data broker removal tool. So that's a really cool feature.

Speaker 1 No kidding.

Speaker 1 So parents can use PenTester to see if their kids are messing around on social media behind their backs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that is one use case.

Speaker 2 The other use case is at $419, you're still getting all of what you got before with all the breached data to see your passwords, your social, your credit cards, all of that stuff that's happened and stuff you can take action on.

Speaker 2 But we're also removing data from data brokers on your behalf.

Speaker 2 So like, you know, it's not an instant, immediately as you sign up, you'll see some exposed records, but over time, you'll see there's pending removals and then removals that have happened.

Speaker 2 I'll show it all to you. But I highly recommend anybody signs up for it because, you know, there's a ton of data removal companies out there that do this exact thing.

Speaker 2 But what they don't do is show breached data and they don't do facial recognition and they don't do account discovery. So that's something the Pen Tester does very well.

Speaker 2 And the reason why we do it so well is because it's

Speaker 2 built on the methodology that I used, along with some of my business partners, have used to identify predators and traffickers.

Speaker 2 Using it in the opposite sense to see what digital footprint you have out there, it's the same methodology I would use to identify these people based on, you know, minimal identifiers.

Speaker 2 And I'll show you a demo of it so you understand what I mean. But what we actually learned last minute

Speaker 2 was,

Speaker 2 because you got to remember, the NPD breach coming out,

Speaker 2 we had

Speaker 2 all of that built. People were searching through it.
And

Speaker 2 we had people signing up various ages, like 40, 50, 60, 70 year old people are signing up for Pen Tester that don't know how to use computers.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we realized through support, if we could read the support tickets coming in and we have a support team that handles that,

Speaker 2 we're seeing like a lot of people don't know how to use a website at all. So like, yeah, they need the service, but they don't know how to navigate.

Speaker 2 No matter how easy we make it, they just, there's no, there's no getting them to.

Speaker 2 to use it, you know? And we can do a lot of stuff on their behalf, but they got to sign in and put in their information for us to automate it.

Speaker 2 So we decided to make PenTester SMS, which is essentially just pen tester through text messaging.

Speaker 1 No kidding.

Speaker 2 So you text a phone number and that phone number, you can talk to like a human.

Speaker 2 So you could text it and say, hey, and it will overtake your phone number, try to identify who you are, find your emails, find your leaked information, tell you what's out there, say, hey, do you want to start removals on this information?

Speaker 2 And, you know, this is our recommendations with. changing your passwords or deleting accounts here or all of the recommendations you would get.

Speaker 2 And then that is only $9 a month because they're not, they don't have access to all of the extra tools. If they want them, they could upgrade their account.

Speaker 2 But it's, I'll show you the example for your phone number. And

Speaker 2 it's, it's got everything on you. I mean, it's literally got everything.
So let's say you want your wife or your, your family, you know, like some parent that you know isn't going to sign in.

Speaker 2 They're not going to look at the dashboard. They're not going to use any tools.
Tell them to text the phone number. and sign them up for it.

Speaker 2 And then they'll get notifications via text, like, hey, a password was breached. Your password was summer 2025 exclamation point.
Make sure you're not using this anywhere.

Speaker 2 And you just get a text every once in a while from Pen Tester SMS that says, hey, you need to do this.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, like, let's say, let's say every, like,

Speaker 2 I'll give you an example. Bi-weekly, you get a text that says, you've been removed from 47 data brokers.
If you want to see the full list, click here.

Speaker 2 But at least you know something's happening at all times. You don't have to sign in.
You don't got to do anything. Just text the number.

Speaker 2 So for you,

Speaker 2 this is, but what I'll do is I'll screen record this and then I'll hand it to you.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're going to like this one. No, I'm not.
No, you're not. All right.
So here's an example right here.

Speaker 1 Oh boy.

Speaker 2 This is the phone number that you would text at the top. And this is the conversation that you would have.

Speaker 2 Like you're welcome to text it now, but I figure there'd be a bunch of delays and you having to respond. But this is this is how it would start the conversation and then how it would end.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm going to show this.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Cool.

Speaker 1 We'll overlay this on the screen. Awesome.

Speaker 2 Now it's just from your phone number. So let's say we gave it more and you were like, hey, check this email, check this one, check my wife's.

Speaker 2 You know, you can get deeper into that conversation with the chat, you know, with

Speaker 2 we call it Pentest Just MS, but let's just say it's a chat bot.

Speaker 2 You can talk to it just like you're talking to me and it will respond to you like a human. It has access to our tools.
So, you could say, like, you know, what about what about my wife's email?

Speaker 2 Or what about my wife's phone number? And then it'll start answering questions about that as well.

Speaker 2 So, it's like having a 24-7 breach/slash data privacy support agent in your pocket at all times for nine bucks. But I mean, I'm sure you're seeing your full social security numbers there

Speaker 2 and your previous addresses, I'm sure, are there. An email that isn't public is there.

Speaker 1 So, how the hell do you get

Speaker 2 how do you get your info off so we automatically remove data for you so the most like all of the data brokers that have that data with anyone could just go on google and start searching um that that gets automatically scrubbed that we're going to deal with that for you so like you already have a pen tester account so we've removed a ton of it for you already uh when it comes to breached data like data that's already it's already out there that's on somebody's hard drive somewhere like literally uh you can't remove that you can't.

Speaker 2 So you can just, you know, in the event that it's like your social security number or something like that, you know, you have to just freeze your credit.

Speaker 2 Like I was saying to you before, freezing your credit, if you don't know what it is, it just means go to, you know, Equifax, TransUnion, and Experian individually.

Speaker 2 They legally have to allow you to create an account for free and press the freeze button. And then all that does is stop people from being able to query your credit.

Speaker 2 So if somebody goes and says, hey, my name's Sean Ryan and I want to to buy this car or I want to open a credit card.

Speaker 2 It stops them from being able to query your credit or pull your credit report because it's frozen. It doesn't stop your credit from going up or down.

Speaker 2 Doesn't stop you any, like, doesn't hurt you in any way. I believe the whole country should be frozen.

Speaker 2 And I think that you should have to unfreeze it when, you know, because all you do is you sign into all three, you press unfreeze, you run your credit.

Speaker 2 And then when you're done running it, you freeze it again. And that's the fix for your social being out there.

Speaker 2 There is nothing else you can do unless you go through the whole process of changing your social security number, which you can do, but it's a process.

Speaker 2 But yeah, that's one thing. The passwords, use a password manager, change your passwords, and then your addresses,

Speaker 2 unless you move your house, they're out there.

Speaker 2 But the data brokers are something that

Speaker 2 we can control.

Speaker 2 And in certain websites that have your photos on it, if you didn't want them there, we can request removal of that information so that's one thing I wanted to show you the the ATT breach is another one that happened between in our interview and now

Speaker 2 and there were 70 something million people affected by that but it also included

Speaker 2 hold on one second

Speaker 2 like here is me I didn't even take myself out of it but all of my information in the ATT breach that's

Speaker 2 they got my full social my current address, my emails, everything. So all people need to do is go to npd.pentester.com or AT ⁇ T, or

Speaker 2 ATT.pentester.com. There are individual scans to see if you were affected by these breaches.
If you were, I would highly recommend freezing your credit.

Speaker 2 Make sure when you're doing a search, search every state you've ever lived in. Don't just search in Florida.
Like if you've lived in Florida, make sure you search in

Speaker 2 like everywhere you've ever lived, even if it was was for a week, because it could be in that database. And then search your loved ones as well.

Speaker 2 And then with the AT ⁇ T one, ATT.pentester, search your phone number and make sure that you're not affected.

Speaker 1 I don't understand how these companies that are getting breached are not held accountable for any of this stuff.

Speaker 1 This could ruin your entire life. Absolutely.
Because they're not securing their data properly, correct?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but they get class action lawsuits.

Speaker 1 No liability? They do.

Speaker 2 They do. They have class action lawsuits, but then they end up having to pay out whatever millions of dollars to these individuals who file the lawsuits.

Speaker 2 And then they have to give, well, they offer free credit protection as like that. That's basically all you're getting from them.

Speaker 2 And that just means like tell you your credit score and tell you if somebody's like when it's too late. So it's not really.

Speaker 1 Who offers free credit protection?

Speaker 2 The companies that get breached, so they'll pay for all of the people that are part of the class action lawsuit or were affected affected by these breaches.

Speaker 2 They'll offer for you know, they'll offer your credit report for free for whatever amount of years. They don't do a ton for you.

Speaker 1 So, there is no liability.

Speaker 2 Well, they have to pay a certain amount of money, but that's that's it.

Speaker 1 To who?

Speaker 2 So, I guess it would with a class action, they got to pay everybody involved, like whatever it ends up being 20 bucks each or 15 bucks each.

Speaker 1 So, what the fuck, man?

Speaker 2 But yeah, I mean, it's this is my own personal information. So

Speaker 2 I don't mind showing it.

Speaker 2 My account has 856 exposed records, 472 are in progress, and 384 successful removals from different data brokers all over the world.

Speaker 2 All my IP addresses, all my accounts that I have connected to things.

Speaker 2 Whoa.

Speaker 1 It has all this stuff. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, this has like everything you've ever signed up for, huh?

Speaker 2 Yep. And all my passwords from, you know, things I haven't changed.
It has all my IP addresses, credit card numbers, addresses, social security number. It has my whole life.

Speaker 2 But, you know, thankfully, everything that I could possibly remove has been automatically removed by PenTester. And that's for the $19 a month plan.
So you really can't go wrong with that.

Speaker 2 And then, like I said, PenTester SMS, you just text 337-337-4100, and that's only $9.

Speaker 2 So you get the same thing with the removals for $9.

Speaker 2 You just don't get the reverse facial recognition and you don't get the ability to search like in the database without adding them as a as a family member to the account or an identity is what we call it.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 let me sorry, I'll stop the recording on that.

Speaker 2 Is there anything else here that I'm forgetting? No.

Speaker 2 That's that's a so so like if there's so we could do the reverse thing, but I think we like we already have a clip showing reverse facial recognition so if somebody out there doesn't know what that means it means that i could take a picture of sean or you

Speaker 2 i mean facial recognition means i could take a picture of you and

Speaker 2 it may be a picture that's never touched the internet before and it's going to measure 120 points of your face and it's going to look for your photo anywhere that's ever been posted on the internet so that could be in uh like you know the background at somebody's wedding sitting at a table and only half of your face is visible or it could be on um you know a tweet that somebody created before this show before you even had the podcast and it's something you know about your personal life that you don't want out there like it could be a million things and now that our database is as you know tripled in size we have way more data than we did even back then which was a lot so I highly recommend people check that out.

Speaker 2 But minimum, just text the phone number once they see it and see what kind of response you get. And

Speaker 2 if you don't like it, you don't like it. But I think privacy is kind of important nowadays.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, me too. That's why we're creating this whole app.
Yes.

Speaker 1 But, I mean, so I'm curious, you know, with the

Speaker 1 face, I mean, can you get photos pulled? Yeah. Is it just like awareness? Like, hey, this is where this is what's out there.

Speaker 2 So we can, it's a combination of both. So if you really want a photo taken down,

Speaker 2 you know, you can reach out to our support team and say, hey, I really don't want this up here. And we will reach out to them on your behalf and ask for removal.

Speaker 2 We can't guarantee that it happens, but we have a better shot at it than, I think, an individual trying on their own because we'll find them.

Speaker 2 Even if there's no way to contact them, we'll find a way to contact them in almost all cases.

Speaker 1 And then if you, I mean, if something like your social has been compromised online, then

Speaker 1 the only two options are freeze your credit or get a new social.

Speaker 2 Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. Yeah, which I wish there was something else I could say, but that's that's the truth of it.
And going back to the NPD data breach,

Speaker 2 when that happened, we had all these media sources that were running stories. I was on call after call with news reporters, recording videos for all of these local news stations.

Speaker 2 Like, you name the news source, it was, it ran it, like, all of them,

Speaker 2 literally. And

Speaker 2 there hasn't been a person that I think I've ran into in real life that knows about it. So it's like, we had 11 million people hit our website in seven days.

Speaker 2 But people just don't know. And this is such a huge violation of privacy that no one has any clue about that I talk to.

Speaker 2 And yeah, we're the only website you can go and search it on right now and see how breached you actually were.

Speaker 2 Like you could, there is another site out there that will tell you like you're in it potentially, but it doesn't tell you the details. And what if your name's John Smith?

Speaker 2 Or if there's somebody else named Ryan Montgomery?

Speaker 2 I can't tell if it's me, Ryan Montgomery, or the 500 that live in Florida with the same name. At least we show you the addresses, we show you the social, or at least a piece of the social.

Speaker 2 In your case, I showed you the whole thing, but we don't show the full thing on the regular search so people don't abuse it to get people's socials. But

Speaker 2 you know, it's it's wild to me. It is absolutely wild.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 2 Crazy, crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 We had Congress people. We had Congress people and politicians and everything on the news demonstrating how to use npd.pentester.com.
It was like, we were blown away by it. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we were blown away by that. And it worked.
It did really well for the company. Obviously, not discounting.
how much you have done for the company as well.

Speaker 2 Bringing me onto the show, letting me talk about it

Speaker 2 got a lot of people.

Speaker 2 It helped a lot of people with their digital footprints footprints, too.

Speaker 2 Like, not only did it help the business, but we helped people clean up something they didn't even know they had a problem with until they signed up. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I appreciate that, man.

Speaker 2 And, and the NPD breach was the biggest thing after that.

Speaker 2 And now it's Pen Tester SMS, which makes it so easy.

Speaker 1 Anybody can text.

Speaker 2 Anyone can text.

Speaker 1 That's awesome, man. You know?

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 2 Thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 What is, what is, I mean,

Speaker 1 can you go into VPNs and why they're important and all this stuff?

Speaker 2 Yeah. So

Speaker 2 VPNs, it's a virtual private network. So it's essentially you're connecting to a network from your, let's say you're at your house.
You're using your home connection

Speaker 2 to connect to another

Speaker 2 computer somewhere else. And then that computer somewhere else is sending all of the traffic to the internet on your behalf.
And then wherever, like,

Speaker 2 let's say Google is here and you're here and the VPN is here. It's sending the traffic from here to here saying I want Google.
This is saying to Google, hey, give me your page.

Speaker 2 Google's sending it back to the VPN here and the VPN sending it back to you. So Google never sees anything but the VPN.
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 And then your internet service provider, like the person that is, you know, they can track what you're doing.

Speaker 2 can't see what you're doing because it's being routed through a different IP address encrypted. and uh and

Speaker 2 like they can see that you're using a vpn but they can't see what you're doing on it and the vpn companies most of them don't store logs so if they were subpoenaed and said hey i want everything that sean ryan did on this day to this date almost all of them minus the few that have lied and they do store logs or they're fed honey honey pots where they're storing logs on purpose um you know they they really don't have anything to give uh like if there's a subpoena there's nothing to give do you have the names of any of the companies that do hold?

Speaker 2 I know somebody, I mean, let me double check before I say this.

Speaker 2 I don't want to tarnish someone's reputation to be wrong. So yeah, IP Vanish was one of the major ones.

Speaker 2 They were caught storing logs in 2016 and provided them to the FBI after a court order, despite its zero log policy at the time. And they were a big, big one.

Speaker 2 And then on the other hand, there's one called IVPN that

Speaker 2 IVPN was subpoenaed. And there's like it's on record.

Speaker 2 All they had was an account number. They didn't have anything else.
So they proved they didn't store logs, which is nice because, you know, like it's hard to prove it.

Speaker 2 Like you could say whatever you want, but

Speaker 2 until you're faced with a subpoena and sitting in a courtroom, there's no way to know if they're telling the truth or not. So that's a

Speaker 2 IVPN is a good one. And then Mullivad is another one that I really like a lot.
Like they claim they don't store logs. I believe that they don't.

Speaker 2 The reason why is you can send send them cash in an envelope and just put your account number on the envelope and they'll actually activate your account. And

Speaker 2 even if they did store logs, they don't know where that cash came from. They just activated in an account number.

Speaker 2 So there's nothing, there's nothing they could do even if they did, which makes me think they don't even store logs. So I like that a lot about them.

Speaker 1 I mean, we're seeing China buy a lot of VPN companies.

Speaker 1 I mean, Israel just hit the news buying VPN companies do you think when foreign governments or maybe not even governments will i mean look china's communist right so it doesn't matter if it's a company or the government they just get access to whatever the hell they want absolutely i mean is that what they're doing are they are they mining our data from us by you know by providing us with bullshit vpns to use i mean i think it's a very educated guess yeah yeah i mean i can't tell you with with absolute fact because it has like i haven't seen it with my eyes yet but it makes sense for them to buy these companies if they're trying to spy on us.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 the people that are using VPNs, it's either they are worried about their privacy overall, or they're doing something that they just you know nefarious, or they're doing something that is very sensitive that they don't want people to see.

Speaker 2 And these countries want that data, so it would make sense for them to buy it.

Speaker 1 Gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I agree with you there for sure.

Speaker 1 Man,

Speaker 1 man.

Speaker 1 Let's move into Sentinel.

Speaker 2 So let me explain how that even happened.

Speaker 2 Because back, remember, when I originally came into the original studio with you, I had what was considered at the time to be a vigilante group called 561PC.

Speaker 2 And I was doing that with my friend Dustin Lampros.

Speaker 2 And we were just individually catching one. one predator at a time.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we were doing, you know, we were doing it as well as we possibly could at that time. And that's how I ended up on that podcast and ended up here.
So

Speaker 2 all this stuff's going on. I come onto your show, and I guess a ton of federal agencies watch this podcast.
And my phone is blowing up. You name it.
It's DEA, which is drugs. I got CIA.
I got

Speaker 2 even the Secret Service. FBI of multiple field locations all over the country.

Speaker 2 HSI. I had HSI show up at an ATM on me.
I don't know if you remember remember me calling about it.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I remember. They showed up at an ATM.
They surrounded you at the

Speaker 1 hacker event. Yep.
And they came to your house, correct?

Speaker 2 They didn't come to my house, but the other two things, yes, at the ATM, they came in two different cars. Their office is in Miami.
That's about an hour drive at that time.

Speaker 2 They came in two different cars. I don't know how they legally could figure out that I was at the ATM if there was no target on me.
But I turned around, had a badge in my face.

Speaker 2 I have a picture with the guys.

Speaker 2 I asked them if I couldn't take a picture with them and they were like, just please don't post it. I could show you if you want to see it.

Speaker 1 Just put it up. No.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I mean, they couldn't have been nicer, but turning around from the ATM to a badge in my face, I was like, I'm going to jail. This is it.

Speaker 2 And my phone would not stop ringing. So something that, you know, something I want to just clarify now for anyone that works in law enforcement, that's watching the podcast, no disrespect.

Speaker 2 I love all of you and I want to help all of you but last time i was on the the podcast i got so many calls i couldn't work with everybody at the same time it just wasn't possible so as of right now you can reach out to you know sentinel foundation who's working in parallel with the marshals and we have a case number for the stuff i'm about to talk about you know very shortly and uh i don't have any of this evidence locally it's all stored in a cloud that's shared with the team with the marshals like if you know, if you want to call me and need my help with something, I'm all ears.

Speaker 2 But if it's about this specific case, just reach out to the appropriate people because I can't work with a million people at once.

Speaker 1 Why was there a badge shoved in your face?

Speaker 2 It wasn't shoved. I mean, he just had it up when I turned around.
Why? I guess to tell me he was HSI?

Speaker 1 For what?

Speaker 2 Don't know. Don't know.
He just wanted to talk. And he kept hitting me up.
I still got texts I could show you.

Speaker 2 He just wanted me to come down and sit down and talk to him. He never told me why, but I assume it's the database.
What else would it be?

Speaker 2 I mean, if there was something criminal, he would have arrested me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I was really,

Speaker 1 I was extremely worried for you.

Speaker 2 Because it seemed like I was getting arrested.

Speaker 1 Well, shit. I mean, I remember when we went to the Sound of Freedom premiere with Jim Caviesel, you know, for the whole thing.

Speaker 2 They were over there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're fucking harassing you. Yeah.
They're texting you. Hey, don't be alarmed, but we see you over there.

Speaker 1 Dude, I was fucking pissed. I remember

Speaker 1 so fucking pissed

Speaker 1 when that shit started. Because one, I'm sitting right next to you.

Speaker 1 Two, I'm just like, this is fucked up. Like, you guys had the opportunity to do your fucking job years ago.
You didn't do it. More kids got fucking.

Speaker 1 More kids got exploited. And now you're sitting here fucking with my friend who's trying to do the right thing.

Speaker 1 Maybe go do the right fucking thing and save some fucking kids and quit following Ryan around fucking Nashville and harassing him. Fuck you.
I know you're fucking listening to this. Fuck you.

Speaker 1 Man, that shit pissed me off, dude.

Speaker 2 I remember you were heated. You were definitely heated.

Speaker 1 It makes my fucking skin crawl.

Speaker 2 I'm sure it does. I mean, from your side, you've been in, you were on the other side.

Speaker 1 They fucking come in like they're like,

Speaker 1 oh man, it just fucking makes me angry. Like,

Speaker 1 it was straight up fucking harassing you.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. It wasn't just the Nashville.
It was all everybody. And it was, for me, it wasn't anger at that time.
It was fear because I, you know, didn't know.

Speaker 1 What are you even doing at a fucking movie premiere? Like, if you're,

Speaker 1 what are you looking for traffickers at a fucking movie premiere that's about trafficking? Go do the fucking job. Go do your fucking job.

Speaker 1 Man, this shit makes me fucking angry, dude. There's so many fucking

Speaker 1 people in federal law enforcement agencies that don't do shit. They just fucking harass people.
They don't do their fucking job. And then they want to know why nobody trusts the fucking inter the

Speaker 1 the federal institutions or even fucking state. Right.
It's just fucking ridiculous. Like go do your fucking job and catch bad guys.

Speaker 1 Quit fucking trailing around a guy that's like trying to save kids and fucking harassing him. What is that shit? Like how the fuck do you even sleep at night? Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I know you you know this fucker too i wish i fucking knew him i'd fucking release his name and tell everybody who he is

Speaker 1 what is that shit hey i'm in the fucking movie premiere i just so you know i got eyes on you

Speaker 2 buddy what

Speaker 2 fuck you it's a it's uh uh

Speaker 2 over with in my mind you know and thank thankfully i uh i i appreciate that you care and i obviously i would be i'd care the same for you i uh i just i can't let it bother me if i want to work with them

Speaker 1 i know man it's just it's just it's just

Speaker 1 it's so

Speaker 1 it's just so fucking unimpressive like it's just like

Speaker 2 for me for me to have

Speaker 2 any for me to have any impact and to be able to do things legitimately I have to work with law enforcement I know man I know so I have no choice

Speaker 2 I'm making a generalized statement that they're all bad and they're not no I get what you're saying I get I get your frustration and I'm sure there's way more to it that I don't know because you were on both sides, you know, at some point.

Speaker 2 So you got to see stuff that I didn't, you know. So I'm sure there's things that piss you off that I have no idea about, you know.

Speaker 2 But as for the Sentinel stuff, so I want to, oh, let me tell you the story of how that happened. Because at that point, like I said, it was a vigilante group

Speaker 2 that the intentions were all good.

Speaker 2 And when I think of vigilante, I think of somebody that is trying to go out and like beat people up and like take the law into their own hands, like own hands and tie somebody up and put them in a closet like you know like i don't know i think a vigilante is a more extreme thing not just like a guy thinks they're talking to a child on the internet they go to meet at a public place they're instead met with grown men who want to confront them on it until the police come like i think that that as a as a civilian i don't see what's wrong with that but

Speaker 2 as when it comes to the law even though some convictions are happening regardless of of it being evidence or not evidence or vigilante just like convictions.

Speaker 2 I'm just, I'm glad convictions are happening. I'm glad people are getting exposed.
That's all that matters to me.

Speaker 2 If anything that I could change about it, it would be longer sentences for the cases that happened from any of the predator catchers.

Speaker 2 But that's one thing.

Speaker 2 Another thing I want to bring up about predator catchers that if you've noticed since our interview, like I'm not saying that I'm the pioneer of predator catchers because I know I'm not.

Speaker 2 There's Chris Hansen, Justin Payne, Courtney Elizabeth,

Speaker 2 like a million people, Anxiety War, all of these people that were doing it before Dustin and I started it. But after our stuff started to go viral, a lot of other groups just popped up.

Speaker 2 And like, you know, there were, there were a couple others before that too that, you know, there's a lot to think about. So I'm blanking.

Speaker 2 But what I did notice is, let's just say 100 new channels pop up. A couple of them already had very large followings.
So they're shifting what they currently do to start catching predators.

Speaker 2 And instead of them taking it seriously and talking to these people like what they deserve to be talked to as,

Speaker 2 they would rent an Airbnb, for example, and get a decoy in there that looks younger. And they'll be wearing a

Speaker 2 clown costume with a mariachi band. I'm not even exaggerating.

Speaker 2 While the predator's coming in, or they'll be asking them at the front door to take their clothes off so they show up.

Speaker 2 naked at the door so they can get a good thumbnail or you know all of these things but what they're not realizing is, yeah, maybe you're exposing this predator, maybe you get them arrested, maybe not, but you're exposing them bare minimum.

Speaker 2 Do you realize what was going to happen if you weren't there that night? Like, do you realize?

Speaker 2 Like, I guess maybe I'm a little bit jaded to the subject or more informed is a better word to this subject because I know what would have happened to that child.

Speaker 2 And like, when I, and like, I don't want to get too graphic here, man, but like, think of a toddler with blood running down their thighs because a grown man is is hurting them physically.

Speaker 2 I think of stuff like that, and these little girls and little boys, and what would actually happen to them if that man, or in most cases, men, but some cases a woman,

Speaker 2 were to be there. Like, do you think a mariachi band in a clown costume fits in that equation?

Speaker 2 I genuinely don't. I understand it's going to get you more views.
I understand it's a better thumbnail. I get what they're trying to do, but there's nothing funny about this.

Speaker 2 This isn't humorous to me. Like, this is not a joke to me, you know?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 like I said, half of it I respect. I respect that they're exposing people, using their platform to do it, but I don't think it's funny.
And I wanted to make that very clear.

Speaker 2 Some people have gone to the levels where the cops aren't doing anything so much so that they're beating the crap out of them, which they deserve.

Speaker 2 But when you beat them up, you can't, like, now you can't call the cops and you can't get them convicted. And yeah, it's great for views and all of that.

Speaker 2 And they definitely deserve getting the beat up but you know

Speaker 2 like something's got to happen and and you had tim tebow on here which is an awesome guy love that guy tim's amazing best yeah that's really good dude like i don't think anyone can say anything bad about tim tebow um they try yeah i've heard they try to say shit about it's crazy man it's crazy but like i don't know tim personally i i know uh i've talked to to his vice president camille um

Speaker 2 but uh you know he he

Speaker 2 he brought up situations with

Speaker 2 the amount of people that we have in this country

Speaker 2 looking at

Speaker 2 that material at ages, what, under 12?

Speaker 2 If I can remember correctly, there's 111,000 unique people in this country in less than 30 days.

Speaker 2 So that's the people that are recorded from whatever software is monitoring that based on statistics that are public.

Speaker 2 That means there's a way bigger number than he's aware of and that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 It sickens me. And the problem is not, it's not that the problem is getting better.

Speaker 2 What's happening is the problem's getting worse because the material is going to spread regardless if there's less victims, because there's still material out there.

Speaker 2 Like there was just a case in Florida with 1.2 million photos and videos that were being sold for $100 and something dollars. Like that's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 It's going to keep going, circulate all these communities for a very long time, regardless if there's new victims or not.

Speaker 2 So catching those guys is a priority, obviously, because they're going to re-victimize other people or re-offend.

Speaker 2 But it's just like an endless loop of disgusting horribleness. But

Speaker 2 like I was telling you last night about the state trooper that just got caught a couple days ago with

Speaker 2 23 videos having sex with his toddler in full state trooper uniform and sending the videos on Telegram.

Speaker 2 Like that was a few days ago.

Speaker 2 There's just so much, so much going on.

Speaker 1 Are you seeing this stuff?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 not one I didn't see, but

Speaker 2 I'm seeing the worst of the worst all the time. And it's for sure, but that's a topic

Speaker 2 I actually do want to talk to you about at the end of this if you're cool with it.

Speaker 2 Because, yeah,

Speaker 2 I've been doing this almost seven years now.

Speaker 2 three years of which have been with working in tandem with law enforcement and Sentinel Foundation. But

Speaker 2 yeah, it definitely

Speaker 2 got more intense when I started to work with law enforcement and work with groups that, you know, like Sentinel, for example. And so

Speaker 2 sorry, I missed the entire beginning of this point.

Speaker 2 So having a vigilante group in the eyes of the law, at least.

Speaker 2 I wanted to do that and I also wanted to work with Sentinel Foundation. I had six, exactly, I looked at my phone.
I had six organizations reaching out to me. One of them was Sentinel Foundation.
And

Speaker 2 I got a call from a guy named Jim Cole, who's a very respected fed that worked with HSI. I know Jim.
You do know. You know Jim? Yep.
He's there.

Speaker 1 He's at Operation Lightshine.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was. I don't know if he still is.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure. I haven't talked to him in a while, but back then, all them years ago, he got on a call with me.
I know he was in HSI for a very long time. And

Speaker 2 he says to me, he's like, hey, man, you can't be a part of

Speaker 2 any of these groups or work with law enforcement if you're going to continue to do the vigilante stuff on YouTube.

Speaker 2 And having to explain that to Dustin while we have 561 PC going was hard to do because it's like, dude, I have a choice right now

Speaker 2 to help more people and let people see me doing it. Like, I'm not going to be public about it.
You're not going to see videos of me saving kids and arresting traffickers.

Speaker 2 And I'm not going to be putting stats out of my progress. Whereas with YouTube, you're going to see each one, one predator getting caught at a time.

Speaker 2 You're going to see more action from me, but I know I'm going to make more of an impact.

Speaker 2 And in my heart, I can't say, you know what, I'm going to push that opportunity aside because I want to continue to work on the YouTube stuff.

Speaker 2 So I chose to go with the best group that I had available to me at that time, which was Sentinel Foundation. At the time,

Speaker 2 the guy that was running it was Glenn Devitt, a very nice guy. I like him a lot.

Speaker 2 He's no longer involved.

Speaker 2 and you know we we stay in touch he he's a um he's a delta guy i'm pretty sure your special forces bare minimum but i it i could be wrong on that one i'm not not super knowledgeable when it comes to like military stuff but uh but i know for sure that he he he's involved in some way So with Sentinel, since we started, I'll get into like the granular stuff that I got involved in, but just one of the general stuff.

Speaker 2 Sentinel is a nonprofit dedicated to fighting sex trafficking and child exploitation domestically and internationally, which was important to me.

Speaker 2 We have partnership with law enforcement agencies across multiple states. We combat human trafficking, missing persons, exploitation cases.

Speaker 2 We have joint operations, MOUs with all kinds of places.

Speaker 2 We've rescued a ton of different women and children,

Speaker 2 particularly in operation between July and September. So I'll keep it at that.

Speaker 2 Integrated advanced OSINT and cyber tools for real-time targeting and trafficking of traffickers. I'm sorry, and targeting of traffickers.

Speaker 2 Meaning like some of the methodologies that I use and some of my friends that have their own custom databases and tool sets, I've helped integrate into Sentinel's workflow and train law enforcement in many countries on how these things work.

Speaker 2 Because you'd be surprised, man. Like you may not be surprised, but they don't know.
Like even the ones that are dedicated to internet crimes against children,

Speaker 2 they don't really know what they're doing or the methods that they're using are antiquated. And it's not their fault.
They have the passion. They just don't have the tools.

Speaker 2 They don't have the resources.

Speaker 2 They don't know. So with Setino, what we were able to do is travel to, I mean, right now we've had operations in Thailand, Uganda, Haiti, Peru, Jamaica.

Speaker 2 There was at one point when Glenn was involved, there was Philippines.

Speaker 2 There's a ton of stuff domestically going on.

Speaker 1 There is stuff domestically going on.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes. It's mostly local and the Marshalls right now.
But it's been HSI at one point. We had some people involved there too.
It kind of skips around depending on

Speaker 2 the need.

Speaker 2 But my purpose in Sentinel Foundation was to bring something new.

Speaker 2 This is in the beginning, to bring new technology to the space.

Speaker 2 And that turned into getting involved in a ton of operations that I never would have had the opportunity to be involved in without going public with this stuff.

Speaker 2 Because I would still be catching a predator one by one, although I still believe it's effective.

Speaker 2 Now we're able to, like, if you look on like Fox, there's an article with the Tebow Foundation and Sentinel where we pull 59 kids out of Haiti. You know, Haiti's a pretty rough place to be.

Speaker 2 And I'm not the biggest guy in the world. So having a team that can go in there while I do recom on a computer

Speaker 2 gives me an opportunity that I wouldn't have sitting in my living room trying to track down one local predator at a time.

Speaker 1 Gotcha.

Speaker 2 So not devaluing that, but it's just a different opportunity for me.

Speaker 1 Well, it's like I said at the beginning, Ryan,

Speaker 1 there's not much you care about other than saving kids. You don't give a shit about fame, notoriety, money, none of that stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't make a dollar from it. That's all I care about.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. A lot of these organizations, I'm going to say it, you're not going to say it, but I know a lot of these organizations have come knocking on your door,

Speaker 1 pretending like they want your expertise, but really they just want your notoriety to make them more fucking money.

Speaker 2 That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 And that is a damn shame.

Speaker 2 I don't mind saying it either because I know it's true. I know it's so blatantly obvious to me now.
In the beginning, it was hard to know because it's like opportunity, opportunity, opportunity.

Speaker 2 And now it's just like, okay, I get what you're doing.

Speaker 1 You want to do the work, not be a fucking poster boy.

Speaker 1 I commend you for that because

Speaker 1 99% of the people would take the poster boy route every single time. Got it.
And

Speaker 1 I do have a question, though. You know, I mean,

Speaker 1 you're the first person that I've talked to about sex exploitation and child trafficking and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 Then, you know, like I said, then it was Victor Marks and then, you know, Tim Tebow, Jared Hudson, Jim Caviesel.

Speaker 1 Like, it's been, you've, after my discussion with you, it's turned into I have to hit this every so often because it's

Speaker 1 the most important issue in the fucking world.

Speaker 2 Wait till you see what I have to show you next. Why, why it's the most important issue.
I know. Not only what you already know.

Speaker 1 But what I want to ask is:

Speaker 1 and look,

Speaker 1 I don't want this to come across the wrong way. Saving a child is saving a child.
It doesn't matter if it's in Thailand, Peru, Ethiopia,

Speaker 1 Uganda. I don't care.
It's a child.

Speaker 1 One thing though, and I'm just curious as to why, if you know why.

Speaker 1 So many of these organizations operate out of Haiti, Philippines, Thailand, you know,

Speaker 1 Colombia, Peru, you know,

Speaker 1 third world countries, countries in poverty.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 every single, I believe it's every single time that I breach this subject, the commonality, the one commonality is the U.S. is the biggest consumer of kitty.

Speaker 1 We're the biggest problem in the world. The United States is the biggest problem in the world when it comes to sex trafficking and sex exploitation, correct?

Speaker 2 Well, with the consumption of C-SAN, like child sexual abuse material.

Speaker 1 Why

Speaker 1 isn't all of the focus on the U.S. if that is the number one problem? If we are the number one conservative, I would love to tell you.

Speaker 2 Bringing what Tebow, Tim Thibaut said in here, there's seven people working in C3. And

Speaker 2 there's roughly 60 internet crimes against children locations in the entire country.

Speaker 2 The people that are making the most impact,

Speaker 2 I believe, are

Speaker 2 some of these organizations that are working with FBI, HSI.

Speaker 1 And it's that's it just needs to be better than that we need to do better what what why why is it though why are so many foundations going to haiti thailand all the places that i just mentioned and

Speaker 1 very little if any here in the u.s it's just is it the red tape is it is our federal government harboring this shit are they are they encouraging it i mean that was a rumor for a long time especially with the southern border you know, I mean, what is it?

Speaker 1 What is it? I mean, we just saw

Speaker 1 one of the top guys at the Israeli cyber fucking command or whatever got caught

Speaker 1 luring in fucking kids to have sex with in a hotel room. I tweeted this out.
Did we prosecute that individual? No. We packaged him up and fucking sent his happy ass back to Israel.

Speaker 1 No consequences whatsoever. What the fuck is that? What the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 Why are we packaging this guy up and handed him back to Netanyahu? Here you go. Here's your pedophile.
Take care of him. We don't want him to get hurt.

Speaker 1 What is that? What is that? Where's the fucking justice for the kids, man?

Speaker 1 Where is it? Like, what the fuck is going on in our country, man? And

Speaker 1 why aren't these organizations,

Speaker 1 why aren't they focused on the U.S.?

Speaker 1 It's the biggest problem.

Speaker 2 So my guess, just based on my experience, my guess is there's not access to a lot of the information.

Speaker 2 So if there is a group being, being ran in the United States and we, like, for example, if I get involved in it, it's going right to a federal agency. And at that point, it may not ever go public.

Speaker 2 So that, that is happening. When it comes to...
like these big media cases that like that, like, you know, sending someone back to Israel or whatever.

Speaker 1 Doctor, what is that? I can't answer it.

Speaker 2 There's so many things that I wish I had an answer to. Like, I

Speaker 1 see the shit with the Epstein files. It keeps

Speaker 2 swept under the rug.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like, what the fuck is going on here, man?

Speaker 2 I don't get it. I just don't get it.
And it's either a conspiracy or it's not.

Speaker 1 It's definitely not a conspiracy. The shit I'm talking about is real.

Speaker 2 I know. I'm just looking up for yourself.
People, but the people watching, they got to make that decision for themselves or

Speaker 2 that assumption for themselves. Do they think that this country is holding out on the details or not?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I just don't understand it.

Speaker 1 If the United States is the biggest consumer of sex crimes and sex exploitation and trafficking and all these other things, then this would be the easiest spot to make a dent, right?

Speaker 1 If we are running rampant in this.

Speaker 2 Well, think of it like this.

Speaker 2 Another good example to add to your argument. Every single airport you go in, what's the sign you see in the bathroom, on the walls, over the intercom? What do you hear every single time?

Speaker 2 If you see something, say something. Human trafficking is a real thing.
Human trafficking is a fight. Call this number if you see this, this, or that.

Speaker 2 Do you think they would be using that space in the airport for human trafficking signs over making ad money from advertisers? Absolutely not. It's a real thing.
It's very real.

Speaker 2 The reason why we're not hearing about it, I couldn't tell you other than there might be something just above both of our heads. And

Speaker 2 like, I can tell you that we work on cases domestically for sure, and we work in tandem with law enforcement on those cases. That happens, but um,

Speaker 2 I can't answer like what happens.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying all the law enforcement, I don't want to come across like that, but you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 When I see shit like after the first interview we did, and then you got a couple of FBI agents running you around in Nashville and fucking tailing you and surveilling you and harassing you, it's like, hey, bud, maybe like go go save some fucking kids and like leave this dude alone.

Speaker 1 Like, like, like,

Speaker 1 go make something of yourself. Like, do something positive.
Like, go save a fucking kid or anybody. Just do something.
You're the FBI. Like,

Speaker 1 be an admirable fucking human being instead of.

Speaker 2 The ones that were tailored out were the HSI guys, but they were nice.

Speaker 1 They were tail. I mean, obviously the FBI tailed you into the damn

Speaker 2 premier. They did.

Speaker 2 It wasn't right there. it was it was I remember now I don't remember the guy's name but it was their boss who happened to be at there at that time oh yeah so that was that was the situation but but

Speaker 2 I remember you being pissed I was

Speaker 2 in the bathroom remember and then in the bathroom that's when I got the text and then and then you like at that point we were in the hallway and you were pissed you just wanted to leave yeah I remember it but but you know and then you and then you see a guy like Jim Cole who's spent his entire career doing this Yep.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And so it's not at like the worker's level, but when you, you know what I mean? I mean, Jim Cole, I think he's very similar to you.

Speaker 1 That's all he cares about.

Speaker 2 He is a black and white guy, straight to the point. He would never, that man would not jaywalk.

Speaker 1 All he wants to do. All he wants to do.

Speaker 2 Save kids. Save kids.
And you know another person I want to give credit to while it's on my mind, because I know Jim knows her as well.

Speaker 2 Someone I work with current day that I've known since the beginning of this. Her name is Yvette Thomas.
I don't know if you've ever heard of her.

Speaker 2 She's like the godmother, like Jim Cole is the godfather of this space. There's not many people that have made it around.
She's been in

Speaker 2 federal law enforcement for 36 years, I believe it was, 20 of which have been in specifically child crimes. So she recently,

Speaker 2 like, you know, I, you know, she helped me identify a bunch of victims in a case that we were working. And it was a, it was a case in Cleveland where

Speaker 2 a guy was getting girls, little girls and boys, on FaceTime and group calling people and they were getting paid,

Speaker 2 this scumbag was getting paid to have them do sexual acts via FaceTime.

Speaker 2 The phone of that suspect got dumped and there was a bunch of children's faces and more on it, but all I received at the time was like 140 photos of children's faces and different, you know, some were looking this way, that way, some were blurry, but the ones that I could identify, I identified.

Speaker 2 I identified a bunch of them and she's got some tools I don't have. So I sent her the files.
She identified a couple of them as well. I sent them back.
And since they're all in the Cleveland area,

Speaker 2 they were able to identify, I'm assuming, way more.

Speaker 2 I don't have a direct contact with the guy right now. I'd have to wait till I text him after the interview.

Speaker 2 Just think of all of the girls and boys in that area. A lot of them go to school together.
They do things together. They're going to be able to identify each other.

Speaker 2 So I feel really good about that. And her and I have worked on a bunch of cases like that, which are just thrown at us randomly.
Technically, she's retired right now.

Speaker 2 She's doing this just out of the kindness of her heart. And there's not many of hers.
They're not many of Jim Cole's. They're not many of Et Thomas's.

Speaker 2 It's just a blessing to have those people in this country.

Speaker 1 It's just, it's odd. You know, I mean, we've been screaming at the top.
I mean, dude, the episode we did, hundreds of millions of views with all the clips, all the reels,

Speaker 1 the episode, the downloads, like all together, it's hundreds of millions of views. And that's just one, that's just two people talking about it for less than three hours.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 Now there's lots of people talking about it. I just, I just did a music video with John Rich, who's singing a song about child exploitation.
I met this woman who was trafficked.

Speaker 1 And now she's, she's kind of doing what you're not

Speaker 1 with the tech and stuff, but, you know, she's. She's going after traffickers.
She's doing, she's helping with rehabilitation. You know, and I'm hoping to actually get her on the show.

Speaker 1 Her name's escaping me right now. I wish I knew it.

Speaker 1 But, you know, and then you, anyways, what I'm saying is like all these people are screaming at the top of their lungs at how often this is happening. And you see it.
I mean, fuck.

Speaker 1 50% of the people I interview here, you included some type of,

Speaker 1 you don't call it trauma. I don't know what else to call it.
Yeah, I get what you mean. Sexuality.

Speaker 2 I would call it trauma. So you can call everyone.
It's not trauma to me, but it's.

Speaker 1 But you know what I mean? It's a, it's

Speaker 1 at least I just had Tig from Benghazi here, you know, and he was talking about how many, it was like,

Speaker 1 I can't even remember how many times he was sexually assaulted before he was, he was an adult. I mean, I was like, Tig, like, fuck, man, this is,

Speaker 1 it's like a monthly occurrence for you. This is horrible.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, and, and a lot of people are scared to talk about it.

Speaker 1 And then Tim comes on.

Speaker 1 And just like you said, seven, I thought the number was actually nine, but only whatever, you know, seven, not less than 10 people in the entire country are dedicated to this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, less than 10.

Speaker 1 Like somebody's stopping that from growing. Somebody is fucking stopping that from growing.

Speaker 2 But don't forget about, like, yeah, you're right. There's some things that are out that are definitely, I don't know, but there are the FBI and the HSI

Speaker 2 and even Secret Service have a child crime. They all have a little piece in this fight.

Speaker 1 A little piece.

Speaker 2 A little piece. They need a big piece.

Speaker 1 Why is this not growing?

Speaker 2 Sean, I could pull my laptop laptop up not go into a teen chat i could go on a dating app right now let's give you an example and within like i could just put my laptop down to the side if i open that up like it shows a map of where you're at and it's something it's a whole other topic that would take me an hour to explain but it's a it's a great app for decoys to go on because it shows it It's not a good app for, it's a horrible app for children.

Speaker 2 It's an app for gay people.

Speaker 2 And like very similar to, if you're familiar with Grindr, Grinder is a dating app where they can swipe yes or no or message the people and their conversations delete when they're done.

Speaker 2 They hook up with each other and they never see each other again. It's not really like a relationship app.

Speaker 2 This one is called Sniffies.

Speaker 2 Sniffies? Yeah, it's not an app. It's a website that can work on mobile or computers and you can press the button use anonymously.
You don't need to put in any email. You don't have to sign up.

Speaker 2 You have to do nothing. You click use anonymously.

Speaker 2 You end up with this map around you because you share your your approximate location which is pretty spot on to your exact location especially if you're on a phone and it tells you everyone around you that's using the app if I throw up a picture of myself using like a filter that makes me look young I'll get DMs from people in this area not just somebody in a teen chat that's you know anywhere in the world people here and then they'll message you know you have to go and you have to have a little bit of a conversation back and forth they'll ask you how old you are you tell them you're under and you know, let's just say eight out of ten times, they're fine with it, and they want to meet up.

Speaker 2 So, for the decoys out there and the other agencies out there, if they could just automate sniffies,

Speaker 2 they would find a ton of these guys. They would, they could automate the process and literally go just set warrants and pick them up.
Like, it's that easy. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Speaker 1 The fuck aren't they doing this stuff, man?

Speaker 2 I really don't know, man. That's the part that frustrates me.

Speaker 1 It's like they want it to happen.

Speaker 2 I don't, I'd hope not.

Speaker 1 I mean, I hope not too. But when, I I mean, it's like, I mean, what else can you think?

Speaker 1 It's weird. This shit's been going on forever and it's getting louder and louder and louder and louder.
And nothing's being done, man. It's just non-profits setting up all over the place.

Speaker 1 It's all these non-profits, which, you know, which is great. Thank God somebody's taking it into their hands, but it should be our fucking law enforcement.
that's doing this shit.

Speaker 1 That's who it should be. Yeah.
And it's not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I agree. And

Speaker 2 I don't want to to speak negatively here and be wrong, but

Speaker 2 when I get into the 764 case,

Speaker 2 the FBI has,

Speaker 2 to my knowledge, 240 different

Speaker 2 active investigations right now regarding the 764 case. I can tell you that within the short period of time that we've started an operation at Sentinel investigating 764,

Speaker 2 there is more than 240 different

Speaker 2 things that we found.

Speaker 2 So like with just passive reconnaissance.

Speaker 1 Say that again?

Speaker 1 The FBI has how many?

Speaker 2 They have 240.

Speaker 2 Let me get the numbers for you. Just so I want to be 100% accurate.

Speaker 1 What a joke. What a fucking joke.

Speaker 2 I don't want to talk negatively, but it's true. So I'll read it straight from here.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Get ready to get pissed off, everybody.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 764,

Speaker 2 adjacent Discords, and all of the, because remember, I'm not giving these people credit by username, not giving them credit by their group names. The only one that I'll talk about is 764 because

Speaker 2 it's only giving them what they want. They want recognition, these people.

Speaker 2 There's a ton of subgroups, a ton of them, that all are doing exactly the same thing, but they I'll get into the whole story in a minute. But the FBI

Speaker 2 is part of 250 probes tying these streams to global

Speaker 2 rings. 250.
So I was off by 10.

Speaker 1 The FBI.

Speaker 2 The FBI.

Speaker 1 Has found 250.

Speaker 2 Probes is the word that I'm reading.

Speaker 2 So I can tell you that there's way more than 250 people doing this.

Speaker 2 There's more than 250 people on just one server that I would join to get some screenshots that I'm about to show you.

Speaker 1 That's what the FBI has. What has Sentinel done?

Speaker 2 Sentinel, just in the last

Speaker 2 month and a half, almost two months, we we've infiltrated three different groups that I don't want to name, but you'll see them.

Speaker 2 I would say there's a thousand different users,

Speaker 2 minimum, minimum a thousand.

Speaker 1 So you've probed a thousand?

Speaker 2 Users.

Speaker 1 And the FBI's probed 250?

Speaker 2 I don't know if they're talking about, they're not really clarifying here. It's 250 probes.
That's all it says. So I don't know if they mean users, groups, arrests,

Speaker 2 communities. I mean, there's a lot of, I don't really know.

Speaker 1 Well, it's definitely not arrests. Otherwise, it would say arrest.

Speaker 2 No, it's not arrest.

Speaker 2 It's not arrested. The FBI hasn't done nearly as many arrests as they need to be.

Speaker 1 It's about 250 in a lifetime. Sentinel does it for two months and gets a thousand.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and watch what happens.

Speaker 1 How many people work at Sentinel?

Speaker 2 They're working on this case specifically. This is an operation that I got to kind of cherry-pick people involved.

Speaker 2 If you don't count

Speaker 2 one of the main guys that's overseeing it with the feds,

Speaker 2 there's six.

Speaker 1 Six.

Speaker 2 Six people. Six people on this operation.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Wonder how many people at the FBI are working on it. Must be less than six, right? I mean, if you guys got a thousand in a couple of months and they got 250 and I don't know.

Speaker 2 You're going to get my house on fire, Sean.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 that's depth.

Speaker 2 I agree with you. It's frustrating.
I just, what can I do about it?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Somebody's house needs to sound the alarm, but it ain't yours.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Government agencies, it just, it doesn't matter who's in there.
They're just worthless. That's it.

Speaker 1 They're just worthless. I like that.
I had a lot of hope for this one. I did.
I had a lot of hope.

Speaker 2 For what?

Speaker 1 For that things are going to change and they're going to be great.

Speaker 2 We're going to go after all this.

Speaker 2 Speaking of that, going back on a positive note, what has changed,

Speaker 2 like you just got done saying, the preventative side of things, I truly believe and said to you in the beginning, I believe that preventing it from happening in the first place, if possible, is the most effective solution to this problem.

Speaker 2 So by letting parents know that this is a thing, by letting parents know what they can do about it, how they can talk to their kids about it, educating them about it.

Speaker 2 There's a very strong chance you're going to stop something that you would have just thrown the iPad at your kid or put them on a computer not not knowing, like, oh, it's a kid's game, Roblox, little cartoon, little cartoon squares running around the screen.

Speaker 2 How dangerous could this be? Like, if they don't know any different, then they're putting their kid in a dangerous situation and they don't know it.

Speaker 2 But if they know and they're listening to the words that you and I are saying and they take action, I feel like that's making change.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I think that that is valuable, but that's just my opinion on it.

Speaker 1 Um, it's definitely making change. I just wish that the government would take this shit a little bit more serious.

Speaker 2 Agreed.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 They're the ones that really have the keys to make this shit go away.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 They aren't fucking doing it. They are not doing it.

Speaker 2 I agree with you. It's frustrating that more can be done.
That is for sure.

Speaker 1 Are we getting ready to talk about...

Speaker 2 Yeah, I want to show you one more thing, though. Okay.
Regarding that, because it just kind of brought it to my attention.

Speaker 2 We got to take a break before we do that because I'm already about to to lose my fucking mind and this is really gonna this is something I want you to see because you're already pissed off and I'm not trying to piss you off more but it's something that you need to know.

Speaker 2 This is straight from the Google website

Speaker 2 and this is the global request for user information. So you can see here subpoenas is red.

Speaker 2 Look at so back here is 2010, barely less than 10,000. Going all the way to 2000, let's say,

Speaker 2 15, we're at 20,000 requests for, less than 20,000 requests for subpoenas, right? Then you start getting into these later years. Holy shit.

Speaker 2 The biggest difference,

Speaker 2 like triple, quadruple, you know, quintuple.

Speaker 2 So this information, this is just Google. This isn't all the other places that are receiving subpoenas.

Speaker 2 And this is, you know, primarily, I would say, the United States. You know, who else is sending subpoenas to Google?

Speaker 1 I mean, other people are. Jeez.

Speaker 1 Is that an image?

Speaker 2 It's an image, but it's on Google's website.

Speaker 1 We got to overlay that on the screen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I could send it to you.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 So we're getting ready to dive into the nasty shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's take a break, get some water.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Take a lap.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Get ready.
We both need it.

Speaker 1 Cool.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 before we do that, before we do that, hold on. I want to give you this hoodie.

Speaker 2 So it's a pen tester hoodie.

Speaker 2 A little Easter egg in here. Check this out.
So you got the Pen Tester P logo. But then on the other side, you'd be rocking Zero Day.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then on the back,

Speaker 2 I asked your assistant, and she said you wear a large. So hopefully this fits you.

Speaker 1 Perfect.

Speaker 2 Hack all pedos. Hack your local pedo.
Love it.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And, you know, another, the reason why I actually got that idea was

Speaker 2 a good friend of mine. His name's Scammer Payback.
He's got a YouTube channel as well. He

Speaker 2 catches scammers that are like going after elderly people.

Speaker 1 You were telling me about this guy. Yeah, he's awesome.
I want to get him on the show.

Speaker 2 He is awesome.

Speaker 2 His name's Pierogi is his username.

Speaker 2 I don't want to say his real first name because he doesn't.

Speaker 1 Do you guys get along?

Speaker 2 Oh, I love him. He's a really good friend of mine.

Speaker 2 He's a believer in God, which matters a lot to me. And

Speaker 2 he knows the Bible inside and out, so he teaches me a ton. And

Speaker 2 one time I was over at his office. We've done a bunch of videos together now,

Speaker 2 all in the last three years, but we've done a bunch of videos together, one of which was an interview where one of his team members was interviewing me. And in the middle of an interview,

Speaker 2 he's got a connection at HSI that he deals with named Scott. Scott calls him, says, yo, we got some people here.
HSI is outside. and they want us to go.

Speaker 2 One of the other people that work in the office has this cash mule on his way to pick up what he believes to be $40,000 in cash from an elderly woman.

Speaker 2 I'm doing an interview just like this, but with his team member, and they say, like, yo, we're about to leave. We got to go catch this cash mule in a parking lot.
HSI, we're thinking, is involved.

Speaker 2 HSI in last minute says that they don't have anybody. So they back out of the situation last minute.
Not Scott's fault. Scott was trying.
He's in a whole different state. but uh

Speaker 2 we're i'm i leave the interview mid interview get in the car i'm high i'm in the car with my back like this because you know i grew up in the hood and i ain't getting shot so i look nuts in the video i'm all the way back like this and we're in this parking lot waiting uh for the cash mule to show up driving four hours north to to to meet where we were supposed to meet and We're, you know, we're looking around the parking lot.

Speaker 2 We see this one. We didn't know what they looked like.
We just knew they were coming to collect the cash.

Speaker 2 and we knew that they were gonna most likely have a different they were they were driving from florida so we knew that they were gonna have a most likely have a florida plate um

Speaker 2 and uh and eventually a florida plate pulls in um and we see it circle around the parking lot a couple times and then they start going into this other parking lot and the like and then we start following them guy gets out of the car he's a heavier set asian guy goes into the lows and he walks around the store and comes out again and we're like that's definitely the guy that's definitely him it's at the plates there he's acting suspicious and nobody wants to get out of the car at this point because everyone's scared and I'm the same guy like I said hiding because I don't want to get shot just in case now I see the guy out of the car I don't think he's got any firearms on him or anything like that so I'm like I have tattoos I could probably come off like I'm a scumbag that has 40,000 in cash to hand off to him so I get out of the car I literally said that that was that was my words I get out of the car I go right up to his windshield come off as a great scumbag that's exactly what I was trying to get at.

Speaker 2 So I go right up to the dude's windshield and I'm like, yo, man, what's up? And he gets out of the car. I bring him out and I'm like, so you're here to pick up 40,000 accounts.
I start to go at him.

Speaker 2 And I was like, yo, lift up your shirt. I didn't tell him I was law enforcement or anything.
I just said, lift up your shirt. And he lifts up his shirt.

Speaker 2 He actually listens to me and I make sure he doesn't have a firearm. I was like, give me your ID.
Give me your ID. And he shows me his ID.
I take a picture of it.

Speaker 2 At this point, I find out he's on a visa here. He's got some type of like license that I've never seen before.
It's like a visitor's license. And

Speaker 2 then he starts walking, not running, but walking. And now he doesn't know how to speak English.
He only knows how to speak some Asian language. And I don't know.

Speaker 2 I guess he understood everything I said, was talking fine prior to realizing he's getting trouble. But at this point, no one in the local area, no local PD and HSI were coming to pick him up.

Speaker 2 So it was like the only thing I could do at this point is just film the guy and ask him questions and use Google Translate to try to get his responses.

Speaker 2 So I'm chasing this dude around the Lowe's, just walking around, watching him pick up. Like he's driving four hours from Florida to get, I think he grabbed rubber gloves.

Speaker 2 I think he grabbed a tied laundry detergent. Or no, I'm sorry, a clothes detergent and like, and nothing else.

Speaker 2 That was like, you drove four hours to Lowe's to pick up some laundry detergent and rubber gloves? Like. No, dude.
Like, just tell the truth. What were you here to do?

Speaker 2 And then the team that Pierogi works with is Camera Payback. he uh

Speaker 2 he started taking the screenshots of like saying on my way where you see like the gps screenshot and matching up the route and everything to where the lows would have been and it was all spot on so it's 100 correctly the guy information was sent along to the feds not sure what happened with it but uh but the video is on on youtube if anyone's interested in seeing you could see me in the middle of the interview have to get up check this out yeah i said it was like the same way you and i are talking now imagine someone opens the door and is like yo we got to go there's a cash mule hsis outside boom and we just book it right out the door and we're on our way it's like yeah so so big big props to scammer payback pierogi good big props to him because that man he he's a holy person a good person a charitable person and all he cares about is saving elderly victims and i nobody's perfect i'm sure he's made mistakes in his life but the guy is is a good dude and i've spent time with his wife and kids and i spent a week at his house before like you know working but at least spending a week at his house like I really like this guy.

Speaker 1 Dude, you got to connect me with this guy.

Speaker 2 I'll connect you with him. I will.

Speaker 1 If you're running with him, he's got to be great people.

Speaker 2 He is great people. You'll love him.

Speaker 1 Let's take that break.

Speaker 2 All right. Sounds good.

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Speaker 1 All right, Ryan, we're back from the break. Now we're getting into the

Speaker 1 heaviest shit of the interview.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the most important to me personally.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're talking about,

Speaker 1 are we going right into 764?

Speaker 2 I think that's what we should do, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what is, what is 764? What is it?

Speaker 2 So I'll tell you in my own words first.

Speaker 2 764 group is a

Speaker 2 Satanist cult group that focuses on extreme violence. And

Speaker 2 one of the main things that they focus on is

Speaker 2 towards children.

Speaker 2 They're labeled as a nihilist group. And for anyone that doesn't know what a nihilist is, it just means like they believe that nothing matters.
No, like there's a group called it, but no lives matter.

Speaker 2 No human life matters. Nothing matters.
That's what a nihilist is. And these people have proved over and over again that they

Speaker 2 fit exactly the description that they're labeled as. And there are a ton of offshoots of this group, which I want to make it very clear.

Speaker 2 The main reason why they do a lot of the things that I'm about to show you is to get the recognition for it.

Speaker 2 It is to get the recognition individually, even if they're part of a group or a group that,

Speaker 2 you know, they just want their group out there in any way, whether it's negative or positive. This group isn't looking for positive attention.

Speaker 2 They're, I'll just be candid about it and just and tell you, they,

Speaker 2 they, they, you know, extort children out of out of sexual material. They extort children into cutting their wrist, hurting themselves,

Speaker 2 cutting areas of their body, engraving their names into their chests, their legs, their arms, their faces.

Speaker 2 They've had children commit suicide live on camera in front of audiences of people while they get cheered on.

Speaker 2 They convince children to kill animals in their house, like their pet cats, their pet dogs. They try to convince them to kill their family members, commit mass murders.

Speaker 2 bestiality, incest, you name it. A lot of it has already been done.
And I have a lot of examples of that to show you today.

Speaker 2 And that is only with two of these groups that we've been doing passive reconnaissance on for a short period of time. There is

Speaker 2 plenty of other active investigations that are going on with other organizations and that I may or may not have involvement in.

Speaker 2 But what I can show you today is based on what Sentinel and I have found in a relatively short period of time and uh it's it's gonna blow your mind it's it's absolutely disgusting and um

Speaker 2 there's just there's there's more to it but it was created by uh all right cra it was unbelievable but a 15 year old boy started this group in texas a 15 year old boy 15 year old boy started the group he was the beginning of it and uh he from what i read was a nonverbal kid that had some you know issues

Speaker 2 you know i don't want to glorify this kid or talk about him in any way where anyone would feel bad for him because he created something that is the worst thing next to

Speaker 2 all the other things that we've talked about.

Speaker 2 This is probably one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we'll see how you feel about it when you see it. But

Speaker 2 it was all started from this kid. And there's something called, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's called the Comm.

Speaker 2 And the Comm is a collection of mostly teenagers, but there's adults in there as well that congregate on the internet, the comm is short for the community, and they congregate on the internet and they dox, meaning like release personal information on people.

Speaker 2 They SWAT, meaning they send SWAT teams to people's houses just to scare them and to

Speaker 2 get recordings of them being SWAT so they can use it to brag.

Speaker 2 Like, for example, they'll call in to a local department and say, hey, my name is John Doe. I have bombs strapped to the windows.
I have my family strapped to the chairs.

Speaker 2 I'm going to shoot them all if any police enter the door.

Speaker 2 They're going to say all these horrible things so that a SWAT team, you know, responds. And that's what SWATing is.
I've personally been SWATted three times,

Speaker 2 two of which police actually showed up and it was a big deal.

Speaker 2 I have a video of one of them, but I never gave them the recognition that it happened. There was no proof that it happened other than my recordings of it that I saved on my phone.

Speaker 2 I didn't want to give them the credit, you know? So that's the comm.

Speaker 2 The 764 group actually came from the comm.

Speaker 2 And that doesn't mean all of the people, the people in the comm have their own problems. They do their own stupid stuff.

Speaker 2 They've been torturing me since I was on your show three years ago, releasing my credit report, my personal information, sending pizzas to my houses, USPS boxes to my houses

Speaker 2 pretty much

Speaker 2 thousands of boxes, literally thousands.

Speaker 1 Sending what to your house?

Speaker 2 USPS boxes. Why? Because they're free.
You can order them on the USPS site and they'll just keep sending pallet after pallet after palette of these boxes. It's like just to be annoying though.

Speaker 2 Like they do it to be annoying and to get a reaction out of you. That's the calm.
And a lot of them don't like me. And that's, you know,

Speaker 2 I'll keep the calm pretty short because they're a whole different topic, but you know, usually just annoying. I wouldn't say that they're hackers.

Speaker 2 I would say they're more annoying and they have technical abilities.

Speaker 2 Getting information on people, the way that they mostly do it is they like to use the term TLO, which TLO is just something trans union offers to run a report on somebody.

Speaker 2 And they'll use like a stolen private investigator's account to run somebody's name, get their social credit report and all the above.

Speaker 2 And if they don't have access to one, they'll pay 15 bucks to someone that does. And that's how they got my information, which I don't care.

Speaker 2 I genuinely genuinely don't. My credit's frozen.
My address is out there publicly. There's nothing about me that they're going to find that isn't already out there.
Like, it doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 2 You can dox me all you want. You could try to swap me, but like, I know all the police all around my area.

Speaker 2 They're fully aware that people are going to try swatting me and have continued to try to swap me.

Speaker 2 I'm not really worried about them.

Speaker 2 It's more so the 764 group that stemmed from the comm,

Speaker 2 which is a whole different set of evil that I've never seen, where they want to, like,

Speaker 2 they want to sex dort children. They like, and usually, for the people out there that are not familiar with that term,

Speaker 2 is when somebody

Speaker 2 sends naked photos, could be an adult or a child, and the second that those photos are sent, they say, if you don't send me X amount of dollars, I'm going to send this to your family, your friends, your school, your loved ones, and they try to extort them out of funds.

Speaker 2 Most of those sex storters, not that it's okay by any means, but most of them are just trying to make money. They're not trying to do anything evil.

Speaker 2 And nine times out of ten, they're never going to send that to anybody.

Speaker 2 Because they're never going to get paid if they do, number one. And number two,

Speaker 2 they're

Speaker 2 they're like if it was a child that they have nude images of, they would be distributing CSAM, like child sex abuse, child sexual abuse material. So,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 it happened. The reason why I say that is I have a family member.
It's very close to me that it happened to. He sent stupid pictures.
He was an underage boy.

Speaker 2 And I won't say his name, obviously, but I had to coach him through how to deal with these people. And they wanted money.
They didn't want any of this other evil stuff.

Speaker 2 I got them to click a link, the scammers. I found out that they were in a foreign country that was,

Speaker 2 I believe it was Nigeria. It It was a couple years ago, but I think it was Nigerian scammers.
And I told them, just ignore them. Just don't say anything to them.
Ignore them. I know it's hard.

Speaker 2 I know you probably feel like they're going to ruin your life, but they have no benefit in sending your photos to anybody. And they didn't.
That doesn't mean that doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 It just didn't happen to him. And most of the time,

Speaker 2 why would they?

Speaker 2 It's wrong, and I'm not saying it's right. I'm not trying to make it sound okay.
But in comparison to what these sextors do,

Speaker 2 it's it's not even comparable, man.

Speaker 1 I remember telling you, I remember you telling me about these guys the last time I, we met in Florida,

Speaker 1 how bad this shit is.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've been working on this for a long time. And with Sentinel, it's been a few months, but I've been working on it for a long time.

Speaker 2 So I, it is.

Speaker 1 How did these guys pop on your radar?

Speaker 2 So I was, a federal agent actually gave me a heads up about them.

Speaker 2 And from there, I never heard of them at that point. And I started digging, digging in, just reading the public stuff out there.
And it blew my mind.

Speaker 2 It was like the clearest definition of

Speaker 2 evil. I keep saying the word, but it is just pure evil.
And that's what they want. That's what they're going for.
But

Speaker 2 it's just hard to believe that people out there exist that are even worse or if not the same level of evil as the other people that I'm fighting against.

Speaker 2 And these, a lot of them are teenagers and young 20-somethings. but there's the random 30-40 plus-year-olds that are involved in this as well.

Speaker 2 They just want to cause harm. They want to cause destruction.
And what is the next level?

Speaker 2 It's, you know, it starts with, and I'll get into some of the terminology, but they call it cut signs, or I've heard in some of the groups, cut sluts is what they'll call the little girls, where they cut a username into their arm or their breasts or their legs or whatever part of their body.

Speaker 2 And it started with that. And then it was, okay, what's the next step? Kill the animals and then hold up a username on a piece of paper and then hold the dead animal in the other hand.

Speaker 2 And that group will then send that message everywhere. And then the person thinks by doing that, the child thinks by doing that, they're going to stop.
They're going to leave them alone.

Speaker 2 And what ends up happening is they know that that victim is just going to keep doing whatever they ask because

Speaker 2 they've already done it. And now they're in possession of the news.
And these people will send it to your family and friends. And it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 There's more to it, but I want to show you some of the content and some of the questions that I'm sure you're going to have. I can answer and I want to.

Speaker 2 There's just so much to this that I could go on like an hour tangent trying to explain it. But

Speaker 2 could I just start by showing you this situation and then we'll take it from there?

Speaker 2 So I went into

Speaker 2 the the 15-year-old that started it. He started luring minors from Minecraft.
That's where it all began. It all started with him luring minors on Minecraft to

Speaker 2 sextort them and make them self-harm.

Speaker 2 The group was influenced by Order of Nine Angles, which is a Satanist group outside of the internet,

Speaker 2 which is a combination of Satanism, neo-Nazism, occultism,

Speaker 2 and all kinds of things. So, you know, obviously that goes with, if I want to just

Speaker 2 read a list, it's rejected empathy, promoted ritual violence, belief in culling, which if you know what culling is, that means that real power comes from harming others without hesitation.

Speaker 2 So that's like a whole Satanist belief.

Speaker 2 And then there's a ton of offshoots, a ton of these other brand, like groups that I have notes that, no exaggeration, this long, full of different groups that are doing the same thing, full of members.

Speaker 1 How many members does this 764 group have?

Speaker 2 I don't have an exact number on it, but if I had to guess,

Speaker 2 20,000, 30,000. 20,000 people.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 2 it's huge. Like there is no shortage of these scumbags.
No shortage.

Speaker 2 The average vulnerable target that they're going for is 9 to 17 years old. Nine? Nine to 17.
That's the average.

Speaker 2 They'll go for anybody, but that's what they're, that's, that's usually what they run into in these games like Minecraft and Roblox roblox and other social media apps and um

Speaker 2 without going into uh without going into more of these notes like because i'm just trying to hit some key points and not forget them they they're targeting minors and i have a few screenshots to show you this on mental health forums so they'll they'll go to a mental health forum where they see somebody is struggling as a kid saying that you know they're either being bullied in school and they don't want to live anymore or that they're self-harming already and you know they they'll they'll pretend So they lure from those groups.

Speaker 2 They groom them by trying to be their friend or pretend to be their boyfriend and give them actual mental health, mental health therapy.

Speaker 2 Sorry, it's hard for me to even say this. Mental health therapy.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I'll read those conversations, some of the grooming that they do. And

Speaker 2 they even have playbooks on how grooming and They have an over 240 page manual on how to do this to children that they share amongst each other.

Speaker 2 And they, like I said, they're all on mental health forums. They even had, I have a tweet that I took a screenshot of.

Speaker 2 I'll show you where it's a group that where they're saying like, join here if you're struggling with mental health.

Speaker 2 And it's just a direct link into one of these horrible groups that as soon as that person or child,

Speaker 2 mostly children, believes that that person's their boyfriend or their friend or their girlfriend, one or the other, and they send those nude photos, the second that happens, then they go right into the extortion and extreme violence.

Speaker 2 All they want, they want to create what's called, and like I said, I'll get into the slang, they want to create what's called

Speaker 2 a lure book. So it's like a collection of all of their extortion material that they could use against them.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 do I need to use any more of these? Let me see.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so,

Speaker 2 okay, in these notes to over 250 ongoing investigations by the FBI, briefings at Europol conference, FBI classified 764 as

Speaker 2 a domestic

Speaker 2 terrorist group. Yep.

Speaker 2 And then there's a bunch of people that were arrested. But

Speaker 2 where do you see the time that a lot of these people got? It's nothing, man. It's nothing.
And some of them are having children kill themselves. Like,

Speaker 2 it's mind-blowing. It is absolutely mind-blowing.
But I'll read.

Speaker 1 Are you talking about time they got in prison?

Speaker 2 Time they got in prison. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They've had people kill themselves through extortion. And I mean, what is the sentence? What is it?

Speaker 2 So I'll read you some of the stories. Okay.
So

Speaker 2 these are just notes that I wrote for this podcast. And I figured that I would do a lot of it off the top of my head, but it gets me so worked up that I'm probably better off just

Speaker 2 making sure I get this on point. But

Speaker 2 14-year-old, and I'm just going to use their first names, the victims,

Speaker 2 even if it is public. 14 year old Elliott joined a black metal music forum during a tough family transition and started at a new high school.

Speaker 2 764 members pretended to be supporting quote-unquote friends, directing him to gore sites, which later escalated to him carving satanic symbols into his skin and producing hundreds of self-harm photos categorized as CSEM.

Speaker 2 That was one and something that I learned is that self-harm pictures within themselves, even if it's children from what I read, is not considered CSAM, like child sexual abuse material, but if it is sexualized, it turns into child sexual abuse material.

Speaker 2 So that's a weird thing for me. I don't fully understand that.

Speaker 2 Another one.

Speaker 2 A teenage girl named Eve was found in another Discord server, Discord's a chat application that a lot of them use.

Speaker 2 By a 764 member posing as a friend. He faked giving her a ton of affection, support,

Speaker 2 in quotes, which she desperately needed at that time, which is what she said.

Speaker 2 Then extorted naked photos and forced her on video to carve usernames deeply into her skin slash

Speaker 2 and strangle and behead her pet hamster. A member said, bite the head off or I'll F your whole life up, in quotes.
And later, she cut herself deeply in the bath.

Speaker 2 to, as they told her to, turn the water red.

Speaker 2 And there's, you know, a video of her in a a bathtub that's red full of her blood.

Speaker 2 They even sent a SWAT team to her home, as well as leaving

Speaker 2 permanent 764 scars all over her body. She's still in therapy.
And she did all of this in her bedroom closet. And I have the pictures to show you this with this particular victim.

Speaker 2 A 25-year-old man deep in depression was targeted by a female.

Speaker 2 that was also recruited into 764, so likely a victim herself that was converted into an extorter, which happens often by the way that happened that's that's common that's common because these kids they're already a lot of them struggling with mental health issues they find a group that they think are their friends somehow and then they start extorting other kids so it it's it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken and

Speaker 2 she started so in this particular case it was the 25 year old man deep in depression

Speaker 2 was targeted by a female, recruited into 764. She started daring him to to commit self-harm videos, which later escalated to him dousing himself in gasoline, lighting himself on fire in his hotel room

Speaker 2 as the group watched and laughed at him. He passed away.
See the

Speaker 2 screenshot I wrote of the virtual funeral because that's what he said. Watch my virtual funeral.
And I want you to hear these idiots in the YouTube video as this guy lights himself on fire.

Speaker 6 praying, then dousing himself. Some were recording, others were cheering.
In one clip, someone shouts out the group. Another calls her by name.

Speaker 2 Big shout out to Money and big shout out to SMLK. And we gotta say

Speaker 2 he took him so fucking live. Holy fuck.

Speaker 2 6323 is better than 764.

Speaker 2 That's the worst death possible. You hear that? So he said,

Speaker 2 he said, that is the worst death possible, man. And they're laughing about it.

Speaker 2 And what you didn't see on the screen is a blurred video of him lighting himself on fire dead on the ground as these people are laughing at him and naming out their groups that

Speaker 2 are not associated with 764, but offshoots of 764.

Speaker 2 So that's... That's from a public YouTube video, but relates to that story I was just telling you.

Speaker 2 Another one, in one case, a person who was already arrested threw a brick through the window of a pregnant teen's car that was lured from Roblox. She threatened to report the group to Nick McC.

Speaker 2 National Center for Missing Exploited Children, and the shock put her into cardiac arrest, killing her and the baby. The guy was arrested for being part of the COM.

Speaker 2 meaning the 764 group and he had his own offshoot and was charging $50 to $200 for bricking, swatting, and doxing services.

Speaker 2 So bricking, like I said, I'm going to go over these terms, but bricking means show up at somebody's house and either throw a brick through their window, shoot it up with a gun, vandalize it, break windows, do something, record the video, and post it.

Speaker 2 And sometimes when they do this bricking thing, they'll do it to their own members to see if they're loyal and

Speaker 2 won't call the cops. And if the cops come, they won't snitch.

Speaker 2 They'll literally do it as a loyalty test, which gets even worse in a bit. But that's what bricking is.

Speaker 2 And that guy is arrested.

Speaker 2 22-year-old member of one of the groups kidnapped and a 12-year-old girl in Virginia. He was convicted and sentenced to, this is a good sentence, to 350 years in prison.

Speaker 2 764 group also leveraged animal torture, incest, self-harm, bestiality from their victims. 17-year-old member Nino live streamed himself attacking an

Speaker 2 82-year-old man and two weeks later he murdered a 74-year-old woman on video who he believed to be Roma to prove his loyalty to the group.

Speaker 2 He was only sentenced to 14 years and I have a video of that which is very disturbing. He murdered, he murdered, he

Speaker 2 hurt an old man terribly and murdered an old woman gruesomely.

Speaker 2 Live on Discord, the chat application, just to prove to these people that he that he had what it takes to be part of their group um what the is wrong with these people and and did you hear the sentence 14 years

Speaker 2 14 years where was that um i don't know off the top of

Speaker 1 14 years

Speaker 2 i would imagine it wasn't the united states because if he believed in be roma that's like a like like a usually other countries um

Speaker 2 So another one, a 13-year-old girl, this happened three days ago, four days ago. Where?

Speaker 2 In Washington state. A 13-year-old girl was found hanging in a parking lot in Washington whilst live streaming her suicide.

Speaker 2 The chat was encouraging her to take her clothes off because they said it would be hotter, quote unquote.

Speaker 2 And I have the article about that, but she

Speaker 2 is.

Speaker 2 The criminal that convinced her originally to live stream this was

Speaker 2 He was dubbed dubbed with hundreds of crimes and he victimized more than 30 children alone by himself this one guy the 13 year old girl was hanging in a parking lot dead while the chat was telling her to get naked because it would be hotter

Speaker 2 and that just happened so I don't know about an arrest on that yet

Speaker 2 slang which I'll get into the videos in a second so cut signs cut sluts, carving names, group names into their skin very deeply, not like scratching a little bit, like going in, you know, permanently.

Speaker 2 So in Florida,

Speaker 1 one girl was swallowing razor blades.

Speaker 2 A little boy, yeah. Or a boy.
Yeah, a little boy was swallowing razor blades on camera.

Speaker 2 Allure book, victim of,

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, allure book is a victim collage of CSAM that they will use to threaten to show family, friends, and school.

Speaker 2 Luring via social media, online games, leverage for nudes and later extort via self-mutilation, suicide, and all the other things.

Speaker 2 Like one of them is lighting a homeless person on fire with a Maltov cocktail. That's something else that I'll show you.

Speaker 2 SWATTING, sending a SWAT team to a victim's house, tricking the local PD into believing an actual crime is being committed in their house. Tradecraft, that's the evasion playbook.

Speaker 2 So meaning they're like they're encrypted chat rooms and you need proof of crime to enter. So like, you know,

Speaker 2 either it's a combination of you doing self-harm, showing the victims that you've had had do things to themselves,

Speaker 2 murder videos of you doing things to animals or people, something,

Speaker 2 they call that tradecraft. To get initiated into these groups, you need to prove

Speaker 2 it's, I'm sorry, tradecraft is the evasion side of things, like how to hide.

Speaker 2 I don't know why I have it on the same line here, but

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 proof of crime to enter is what most of them require for you to join these private groups where these people are at. Unless you're a victim, they'll just bring you in, obviously.

Speaker 2 Bricking, I explained what that is, throwing a brick or gunshot at the house or multiple gunshots, where one of the cases was a teenage girl pregnant with a baby, and the brick went through her back windshield,

Speaker 2 put her into cardiac arrest, and killed her and the baby just from a brick going through the windshield.

Speaker 1 Why would a victim want to join this? Do they want to tell you that they don't belong anywhere else after they've become a victim because of the extortion?

Speaker 2 It could definitely be the case.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 why would you

Speaker 1 want to do that to somebody else after you've just been through it?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I can't put myself

Speaker 2 in their heads because I can't comprehend this as a human being, how you could even do something like this. Me neither.
So I don't know how a victim could turn into...

Speaker 2 one of these scumbags, but it happens often, unfortunately. And they're young, impressionable kids.
So the way I look at it is I was young at one point in online chat rooms.

Speaker 2 And thank God I never had anything like this happen to me. And I never sent a naked photo in my life.
So

Speaker 2 I've never had as a possibility, but I could see with some of the hacking communities I hung around doing illegal things, I could see myself doing something stupid that I normally wouldn't be doing otherwise because I wanted to fit in with that specific group.

Speaker 2 And you talk about a 12, 13 year old something girl or boy. Maybe these people have convinced them what they're doing is okay.

Speaker 2 So I don't know. I'm just trying to rationalize why somebody could be that evil, but that it is a thing.

Speaker 2 And then the last one I want to add here, Sean, is blood writing, which is a very common thing they like to do, which is smearing blood on the wall, usually satanic symbols, usernames, and group names,

Speaker 2 in their own blood. from the cut signs.

Speaker 2 So from there,

Speaker 2 I kind of want to put it in your hands here where you can see

Speaker 2 what do you think the best way of doing this is? Because I have them in organized in folders for the different categories of stuff. So

Speaker 2 do you have any questions before I show you that stuff or do you want to see it and then talk about it?

Speaker 1 Just flip it around and show it to me. There's a lot.

Speaker 2 Like it's a little, it's going to take a second to go through.

Speaker 1 What am I looking at here?

Speaker 2 So I don't have them in order because this is a shared cloud thing, but luring, grooming, like if you start with luring

Speaker 2 and you see here, like if you just double-click it,

Speaker 2 join cool friendly, yeah, if you want to read them.

Speaker 1 Join cool friendly server

Speaker 1 to help you go through your hard times.

Speaker 2 And that's a direct link. Discord link.
Yeah, direct link for one of their communities. And then you hit the right arrow key here.

Speaker 1 Outpatient Wellness Center.

Speaker 2 And then if you read their description.

Speaker 1 No CP, gore leaking, no drugs, guns, or nudity, no advertising.

Speaker 1 Join group.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 Cultist Discords thread.

Speaker 1 Join if you are any of the following. Mentally ill, fatherless, daddy issues, schizo.

Speaker 2 Borderline personality disorder.

Speaker 2 And then femme cells, like some, like, you know, you act like a girl or feel like a girl or some something like that. So that's just some of the luring.

Speaker 2 It's easy, you know, this is how kids could join a group and not know like what they're joining in advance.

Speaker 2 They think, wow, this is a group full of people that might help me with whatever I'm going through.

Speaker 2 And if we scroll, sorry,

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 grooming,

Speaker 2 here's one of their, this is one they share amongst each other. Grooming.

Speaker 1 Grooming is very commonly used and easy way to get content. Usually when you have groomed your victim, she will do exactly as you say, no matter what.

Speaker 1 You have to make your victim think that you are her god and that you own her and forever will. You can find victims on games like Roblox.

Speaker 1 or on social media platforms like X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram, etc.

Speaker 1 Once you have found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her, make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff, and play games with her.

Speaker 1 Call her cute nicknames when you have talked for a little, like Princess, Darling, Honey, etc. This will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames.

Speaker 1 Once you have talked for a while, you are going to ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is going to say yes to.

Speaker 1 Now that she is under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information, etc. If she doesn't do self-harm already, then you must extort your victim.

Speaker 1 But if she does, she will almost guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you have done all of this.

Speaker 2 Yep. And then here's, if you just skip that one, this is just the, you don't have to read the whole thing.
Just this is a guy grooming a victim.

Speaker 1 I'm really sorry and I love you a lot. You're the most beautiful, cutest, sweetest, most adorable girl in the world.
But the only problem is that you're not my girl and I want you to be.

Speaker 1 I know I'm somewhat demanding of things. I'm sorry for that.
And I'll work on that issue of mine.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 I really want you. You're the sweetest girl in the whole world and I'm like obsessed with you.
I don't know. But I'm sorry for threatening you.

Speaker 1 I thought I was was going to lose you, so I just started saying stupid shit.

Speaker 1 I would really

Speaker 1 like you or anything. You're too sweet and cute for me to do something like that to you.
If you gave me a chance and we date, I promise and vow on my life, I'll make it the best RLS

Speaker 1 you'll ever have.

Speaker 2 I have no idea what that one is.

Speaker 1 And hopefully the last. We can have fun all the time and I'll text you non-stop.
I'll block every girl on my friends list. Even the guys, if you want that.
I won't talk to anyone for you.

Speaker 5 I really like you a lot.

Speaker 1 And I'm really sorry. Ma, ma, ma.
It's the same guy.

Speaker 2 No, it's a different person. Each one's different.

Speaker 1 I don't understand this shit, but what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 LOL.

Speaker 1 I totally want.

Speaker 2 Stalking your account. What you doing? Totally.

Speaker 2 M, I'm in bed right now. Papa, finna get in shower.
She says, I'm tired. He says, take a shower with Papa.
Or he says, take a shower with Papa. She said, I'll be naked.
Scary.

Speaker 2 He goes, Papa will be naked too. It's okay.
Daughter's supposed to take showers with Papas. Papa will make your squeaky, make you squeaky clean, okay?

Speaker 2 She says, yes, clean me, touch all over me. He says, I will.
Papa will have to touch your privates though.

Speaker 2 And this is in the grooming stage, remember, where they don't know they're about to get extorted.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's this. You could see, please don't leave me.
I'll do anything. I'll do it fine.
I love you so much more than anything, anyone else in the entire world.

Speaker 2 You make me so happy when I hear your voice. I smile so much.

Speaker 2 Your voice is so pretty. You're the most beautiful girl in the entire world.
And I hope you know that. You make me so happy.
I hope you know how much I love you so much.

Speaker 2 I'm really sorry for the things I've done. Please forgive me.
I love you. Respond.
I'm sorry. He just is blowing up her messenger because she's not answering him.

Speaker 2 And that's the grooming side of things,

Speaker 2 which, you know, appears, if you were to not know anything else, it appears like a guy that wants to get, you know, hook up with a girl that's young. Sorry, skip some of that.

Speaker 2 And then from here, it starts to get into things that are a little more rough. So here's some of the guides.
You already read grooming.

Speaker 2 Extortion one, if you want to read that.

Speaker 1 To start off, for you to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom. Without grooming, you won't even get any information or any nudes.

Speaker 1 And if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly, you must have the following.

Speaker 1 You must have the following. personal information, addresses, names, phone numbers, and nudes.

Speaker 1 Once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting, and leaking personal information, et cetera.

Speaker 1 If she doesn't do as you say, examples, make a blood sign, make a cut sign, kill your cat, and kill yourself.

Speaker 1 At the end, if you have done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content because no one wants...
to see some shitty cat scratches.

Speaker 2 Right. Meaning there's content is content.
What they're saying is they don't want you to grab like a paperclip and write a username into their arm.

Speaker 2 They want you to deeply cut it into there where it's going to permanently scar and bleed badly. And you read that.

Speaker 2 There's a website, and I won't name the website, but there's a website that has, look how long that takes to read the average.

Speaker 2 That's, they have a whole handbook on people, like they train each other on how to extort minors into doing these horrible things. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Jeez.

Speaker 1 This is the prologue of the

Speaker 1 handbook is a comprehensive guide that provides deep insights into the tactics and strategies that can be used to blackmail and exploit victims, primarily through the use of compromising photos or videos.

Speaker 1 It delves into aspects of

Speaker 1 Coursian and highlights the various methods to maintain control.

Speaker 2 Coercion.

Speaker 1 Coercion. Instill fear and coerce victims into complying with the perpetrator's demands.

Speaker 1 Additionally, it offers step-by-step instructions for everything there is to know about carrying out a successful

Speaker 2 scheme.

Speaker 1 From identifying potential targets to executing the blackmail process to creating convincing fake identities, maintaining animity online, monetizing and safely storing

Speaker 1 content, ensuring that the perpetrator remains untraceable.

Speaker 1 This is not a handbook to teach victims how to protect themselves or seek help, but rather to teach perpetrators how to locate and exploit their victims.

Speaker 1 So my dear reader, if you choose to go further, it is at your own risk. You've been warned, but on the other side, you may find a way to unleash your deepest desires.
We can all only hope, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I cut the book at that point, but there's a 240-page book, and here's what they would talk about for a 14-year-old, and they rank it based on, like, you can read it. It's great.

Speaker 1 Jeez, choose this age if you're specifically speaking, young victims who can be controlled for a long time.

Speaker 1 14-year-old identity, victim reach three stars, receiving nudes, three stars,

Speaker 1 success, five stars,

Speaker 1 long-term victim, four stars.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and they're doing that for a 14-year-old.

Speaker 2 They're saying that's the odds of all of them things happening.

Speaker 2 Um, this is

Speaker 2 yeah, so girl, if I can skip right to it,

Speaker 2 Hold on, it should be around.

Speaker 7 I just saw her.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is not it. Here's that girl right here.

Speaker 1 What is this?

Speaker 2 This is just a girl. She doesn't hurt herself, but listen to what they say.
Just please, no.

Speaker 7 Okay, well, listen to us, babe. Come on.
We're trying to help you out.

Speaker 2 I just want to be left alone and maybe.

Speaker 2 I just don't understand.

Speaker 7 But it's not that simple.

Speaker 2 Can I please just do that?

Speaker 7 You want to leave the server?

Speaker 2 Hmm. I don't know if Yasuko.

Speaker 7 I think she's got to work for it.

Speaker 4 Yep, definitely.

Speaker 7 What the fuck is that? Are you like dyslexic or something? Holy shit.

Speaker 2 I'm looking in the camera to do it.

Speaker 7 You're stupid. Hey, can you hear us? Hello.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 7 Hey, what's up? Yeah, I'm 27 years old, by the way. I want your daughter to do stuff for me.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's fine. I'll report you to the police.

Speaker 7 Oh, I'm sure you will, Fatty. Can you leave the room, though?

Speaker 7 I'm busy talking with your daughter. I just saw her tits, and she's like 16.
I'm 27.

Speaker 7 Make her lift up her shirt.

Speaker 2 You think it would end here, right?

Speaker 2 Watch what happens. The girl's back.
The dad gives her the computer back.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Yeah, watch. Watch.

Speaker 2 She's back.

Speaker 1 Do you wanna die tonight?

Speaker 2 Do you?

Speaker 2 And he ends it with, Do you want to die tonight?

Speaker 2 But the dad gives that girl the access to the internet after he just saw and heard not even her hurting herself, but them threatening her.

Speaker 2 That's a bad parent, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 This one, this girl is just cutting her ponytail, but it's very sad.

Speaker 7 Oh no, should we press send?

Speaker 2 It's much okay. Go.

Speaker 7 start cutting, chop, chop, chop, chop.

Speaker 1 Safety scissors,

Speaker 2 yeah, they are really bad.

Speaker 2 Keep going.

Speaker 2 Please just leave me alone. This is the extortion side of things.

Speaker 2 I want to just show you some, you know, not as, I don't want to show you videos of, you know, what you're thinking because it's just, it's too much for, it's too much. These are some of the cut signs.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, dude.

Speaker 2 That is the name of a person.

Speaker 1 That is fucking deep cuts.

Speaker 2 And that's the name of the group.

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 that's another name of the group with you know just pointless hate this is a very deep holy shit

Speaker 2 and if you read this one

Speaker 2 oh no here let me get you the first one so you can it makes sense

Speaker 2 right here

Speaker 2 it's hard to read but it says

Speaker 1 laughing as they called me names reposted my videos and pictures.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 stripped myself down. I don't recognize a single square inch of my body.
It's all branded, cut up, and bruised. I hate them so much.

Speaker 2 And then that's the name of the group that's cut into her stomach, that

Speaker 2 part of the groups.

Speaker 2 Here's some, they're called blood signs. Then where they cut themselves and put the blood on the wall.
And a lot of times it's satanic things, which I have one you can read.

Speaker 1 you want to read it I don't want to read the wrong names

Speaker 2 the username made me paint the walls of Eden with my blood snuffed my humanity where is your God now

Speaker 2 and it's a wall covered in their blood with satanic symbols that they drew onto the wall

Speaker 2 Very, very graphic of the you know, they cut themselves deeply and write this into the walls.

Speaker 2 I sold my soul to the group name written on this wall with hand prints of blood, upside-down crosses, pentagrams. I sold my soul to that group name again, completely different victim.

Speaker 1 Do you want us to put these up?

Speaker 2 I mean, you're welcome to take all of this.

Speaker 1 I mean, has anybody done this? Is this...

Speaker 2 There's some of this is like almost all of this is public. I wanted to make sure I wasn't putting anything illegal on your show.

Speaker 1 Public where?

Speaker 2 Is this on different forums and stuff? Animal abuse.

Speaker 2 There's a girl holding up her cat, covered the head of the cat, but that's the guy's username, very popular in this, in this, uh, you know, all of these cults, all these groups.

Speaker 2 And that's just a victim, but she literally murdered her cat.

Speaker 2 This is a guy, completely separate situation. He killed his cat, victim.

Speaker 2 That's a cat, dead cat's body part, and they used its blood to write the group's name.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 There's some rough stuff, so get ready for this. Yeah, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2 What? Yeah, there's a problem, dude.

Speaker 2 This is on a call with somebody random in the group.

Speaker 1 So this dude...

Speaker 1 We can't put that up.

Speaker 2 Obviously.

Speaker 1 This dude just stomped on an old woman's head until she was dead and then

Speaker 1 slit her throat.

Speaker 2 Yep, just to prove to that group that he was worthy.

Speaker 2 Here's a suicide from somebody that was trying to do, you know, his own version of anti-extortion. He wrote a suicide note, put himself online,

Speaker 2 puts up the note to prove himself, and

Speaker 2 it's that's a suicide note, and then he just ends it.

Speaker 2 And that's it for for the him

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 it's a guy that was i guess already knocked out i don't know if he died or did not die but these are all different individuals by the way

Speaker 2 like the the criminals

Speaker 1 holy shit

Speaker 2 That's somebody I took the video off of this because I didn't want you to have to see someone burning alive

Speaker 2 But that's a homeless person fully engulfed in flames and murdered

Speaker 2 and then him in the chat bragging about it

Speaker 2 that and then the last one that i'll show you

Speaker 2 is the miscellaneous which

Speaker 2 same username from earlier

Speaker 2 uh has

Speaker 2 Me and my two-year-old sister captive.

Speaker 2 He's a sick man. um and then you see her with her child

Speaker 8 one day i will record it and i will

Speaker 8 show everybody i will show everybody haley

Speaker 8 either i myself or i will you i'm not joking this shit over an e-girl tori over an e-girl over fake

Speaker 8 I promise you.

Speaker 8 Either I die or you fucking die and you watch me laugh, smile at you crying in pain, stupid fucking bitch. You are worth nothing.
Nothing.

Speaker 8 Okay. I promise you, Tori, you will be there to watch.

Speaker 8 Okay, okay, calm down. Okay.

Speaker 2 He's threatening your life. I mean, it's just a group chat full of people that are talking.
We're almost done.

Speaker 2 Here's somebody right here who,

Speaker 2 if you read this one,

Speaker 1 Little information about how I started this. I've always been a psychopath and always wanted to watch girls inflict pain upon themselves for me.

Speaker 1 My earliest cut sign I've ever got was a single K back in 2016. Over the years, I've stopped taking breaks, come back on new

Speaker 1 aliases. But I have a total of over 2,600 plus groomed victims.
My goal is to reach 3,000 before I get fetid.

Speaker 2 Welcome to my suicide chat. I'm trying to host my own virtual funeral.
This is the guy who lit himself on fire in the hotel and had everybody there.

Speaker 2 There were, I think it was 30 something people watching.

Speaker 2 Here's in

Speaker 2 to enter this group,

Speaker 2 you have to give either cut signs, deep cuts, blood signs, suicides.

Speaker 2 or bricking. You have to do arson, stabbings, or graffiti.
And you need these different amount of pieces of each thing to get into certain levels of these groups to prove that you are real

Speaker 2 so that's part of what i was talking about with the crime proof

Speaker 2 and then this is

Speaker 2 someone admitting to things

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 9 i have little children cut themselves for me and do weird shit And like, I might have people like strangle themselves with a fucking cable or kill their pets or just do weird shit and i record it or have other people record it and then uh like i'm part of a cult like a really bad people cult but i'm also part of some other shit too just like uh

Speaker 2 just make lame shit oh who knows with that guy that was just a random piece of evidence here's roblox um which i'll get more into after this but you see that's that's their logo right there and then that's a shirt that says i love cp and it's in the game itself and then me not a victim All of these things that should be censored by the game.

Speaker 2 Not being censored. This, this, and this.
Donate for CP. And the thing about Roblox is they're making 30% of every single sale that goes through their game.

Speaker 2 And I'll explain that more too once this is over. They're making money off of this.

Speaker 2 Why stop here? There isn't a drought of kids on Roblox.

Speaker 2 this person's talking about how many kids there are and this is a very this is a known group for these people

Speaker 2 this is a username that if you put that into chat gpt i guarantee you it would know exactly what it means but if if there's no ai doing moderation on on roblox that stuff gets by

Speaker 2 which if the people can't see it it's it's pedophile rapist that's the username but it's spelled wrong

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 This this person saying, do you like play? Because if

Speaker 2 you did, I'd you.

Speaker 2 And this one, this is unbelievable. So, this imagine a premium service for a free app.
So, Discord, the chat application, is a free application. It's about 10 bucks for their premium features.

Speaker 2 And all you get in their premium features is emojis, like different, you know, little emojis, being able to color your profile with different colors and stuff, and maybe a larger file size limit to send.

Speaker 2 But that's all you get for Discord Nitro, is what this is called. And this conversation says, I got a two-week nitro trial.

Speaker 1 If you want one,

Speaker 2 guy says, give. He says, yes.
Guy says, will she cut for me? He says, yes. We'll cut on camera.
He says, all right. Other guy says, if I tell her to, he says, can you tell her to?

Speaker 2 He said, nitro first. He said, all right.
So he traded a victim for $10 and the ability to send emojis in a chat application. That's how.
petty and ridiculous this is

Speaker 2 here's an 11-year-old victim they're selling for money.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 What do you mean they're selling her?

Speaker 2 Read it.

Speaker 1 For sale. 11-year-old girl.
She is a very naughty girl. Has been deflowered

Speaker 1 yet, still in ripe enough condition. No visible signs of abuse.
Will listen when she is

Speaker 1 put under enough pressure. Make sure to give her enough attention and she'll never leave you.
Price, Price $1,200,

Speaker 1 only accepting Monuro payments.

Speaker 2 Which is an untraceable cryptocurrency.

Speaker 2 But you see how she's got the group name written here? Yeah. So she's not only being sold by people that are into children, adults, but she is being sold by these satanic scumbags that are doing that.

Speaker 1 So is she a hostage or is this...

Speaker 2 It's hard to tell.

Speaker 2 She may have been forced to take a photo like that, or she may actually be a hostage.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I think that is all of that I have in this folder at least. Um,

Speaker 2 is there anything that I didn't elaborate on there?

Speaker 1 Well, I think we need to get these to my guys so we can put some of this at least some of it, some of it, and I want to show on

Speaker 1 camera. So,

Speaker 1 dude, what the fuck, man?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 this is

Speaker 2 oh man. It's it's rough man.
I'm sorry you had to watch that. I just wanted you to understand how severe this actually is.

Speaker 1 And these are little kids.

Speaker 2 Little girls. Little kids.
And boys.

Speaker 1 So how okay. So what game?

Speaker 1 What are the most popular games that they that the 764 cult is luring their victims out?

Speaker 2 Roblox, Minecraft, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat.

Speaker 1 Okay, tell me about Roblox and Minecraft because I don't know anything about gaming. I don't game.
I don't.

Speaker 2 Understood. I don't either, but it's part of the investigation.
You gotta, you know, a lot of times I'm investigating.

Speaker 2 I end up on these games or apps, and Roblox is the one that I'll focus on the most because that seems like the majority of the issues right now.

Speaker 1 I know little kids that use that game.

Speaker 2 There are 75 million active daily users. So it's the largest child's

Speaker 2 largest children's game in the world right now I've been telling people too about what you've been telling me for what at least six months now about the 764 cult none of their kids are off of it yet yeah most people just they throw their their iPad at their kid they put him on Roblox and like I said earlier the little cartoon characters running around the screen no harm in it but you know something that most people like

Speaker 2 Most people, I see, like, you didn't seem to even know, but like, they just banned a guy, there's like a young guy who was actually groomed and had issues for himself on Roblox, who has a popular YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 He started catching predators on Roblox, just regular old predators that were interested in children, not these guys.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he got, to my knowledge, there could be more. There were six arrests.
I saw six mug shots that came from this one guy. His name is Schlepp.

Speaker 2 And he went like mainstream on the media because Roblox sent him a cease and desist letter for being a vigilante on their platform.

Speaker 2 They did a press release saying that they're banning vigilantes from Roblox. Did a whole statement.
You should see this press release.

Speaker 2 It's unbelievable that their excuse, all are excuses of why they think vigilantes should not be a part of Roblox.

Speaker 2 There are a ton of predators. It's a predator.
It's publicly available. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 We'll post that up right now, too. Absolutely.
So this is the official statement from Roblox

Speaker 1 saying why vigilantes shouldn't be taking down pedophiles and and sex

Speaker 1 off of their platform they want these people on there they want these people on there to that's essentially what it's important to me your children and your children are on here and i'm telling you you better get them off you better get them off it is going to happen to you Yes, it's a, these people, they're sitting predators, if you've noticed,

Speaker 2 what the fuck?

Speaker 1 What fucking parent keeps their fucking kid on there after we're telling them this shit?

Speaker 2 I don't know, man. I don't know, but it's unbelievable to me.
And it's predators hang out in spots where they can prey on victims.

Speaker 2 That's why there's so many teachers, why there's so many police officers, why there's so many,

Speaker 2 you know, parks that things happen at, or gym teachers, or people in positions of power where they have access to children. That's where predators end up.
And then people are surprised by it.

Speaker 2 They wonder why. Like, why do you think these people took the job in the first place? Do you think that they weren't a predator? They weren't a pedophile prior to taking the job.

Speaker 2 Like, they've always been one. So when they're on Roblox and it's the largest child children's game in the world, obviously, it's a crazy largest children's game in the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Largest in the world.

Speaker 1 So when they're-largest children's game in the world doesn't want people on the platform saving fucking kids. That's exactly what I'm fucking listening to this shit, people.

Speaker 1 The largest video game platform in the world doesn't want to take any measures, any fucking measures at all to save kids. In fact, they made a press release discouraging it.
Yes.

Speaker 1 A cease and desist.

Speaker 2 Sorry, not a press release. And a press release.

Speaker 2 Both.

Speaker 1 And you're fucking paying this platform money.

Speaker 1 You, there's millions of people that are going to listen to this and i'm telling you you are paying you are you

Speaker 1 you are complicit in this

Speaker 2 100 and let me tell you some more sean so roblox if parents have their kids playing on it it's if you're familiar with fortnite there's a similar in-game currency called uh vbucks in fortnite and roblox is called robux like robux so if you went to target or walmart or cvs right now we could go buy a roblox gift card that a kid can cash in in the game and they get a Roblox balance.

Speaker 2 So they'll get it for their birthday presents or their parents will buy them these cards, which allows them to buy like outfits in the game or access to do fun things and in actual kids' games, right?

Speaker 2 Well, there's these public games where developers, like you and I, could be a developer for Roblox by just signing up to be a developer, put out a game, Roblox will host the game, and then everything that's purchased by these children within game, in-game purchases, they make 30% commission on.

Speaker 2 So when they leave up a server that is talking about, you know, C, child, in that example, they use CP as the term.

Speaker 2 And then there's other servers where they're blatantly wearing 764, you know, shirts as characters. They got upside-down crosses.
They got satanic symbols.

Speaker 2 They have people in the chat logs talking about grooming. They have all these things, but they're profiting directly off of this stuff.
And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 they don't have, to my knowledge, it's like it being the largest game in the world comes with some responsibility, you know, for kids.

Speaker 2 And I believe you should have a full team full of people that are familiar with child crimes working in your content moderation team.

Speaker 2 And if you don't, then you should be hiring these quote-unquote vigilantes that you're kicking off the platform that are getting arrested on your platform.

Speaker 2 You should be hiring them because obviously they're making more of an impact than Roblox is, at least publicly.

Speaker 1 Roblox doesn't want to make an impact. They want this shit happening.
I guess. They want this shit happening.

Speaker 2 It's hard to believe.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, they wouldn't be sending fucking cease and desist letters to people who are trying to save kids.

Speaker 2 Yeah, wait. I mean, let me just pull up the press release.

Speaker 1 People are fucking supporting this shit.

Speaker 2 I want you to hear the title of this. It's fucking wild.
The title of this

Speaker 2 Roblox, I mean, press release, vigilantes.

Speaker 2 Like, this is not something I'm just coming up with off the top of my head. It's, let's see, I want you to hear the title of it.

Speaker 2 More on our removal of vigilantes from Roblox.

Speaker 2 And it goes into a very long press release that explains why they're removing vigilantes from their platform. Look at this.
Why we remove vigilantes? The importance of accurate reporting.

Speaker 2 Help with Roblox remove bad actors.

Speaker 1 What happened after this?

Speaker 2 So they lost, I think it was,

Speaker 2 I might be off by a little bit, but $13 billion in market cap.

Speaker 2 I believe it was within 24 hours after releasing this and see doing a cease and desist the guy schlepp went very public with the media chris hansen partnered up with schleppe to like the the the youtuber to talk about this specific problem because it made no sense that makes zero sense why they would want to get rid of vigilantes on their platform if they're not causing any harm other than just exposing the predators um

Speaker 2 And people are people, you know, a lot of people, I'm sure, took their kids off of Roblox, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there's 75 million daily users and another thing outside of child predators um

Speaker 2 roblox is a very like i'm actually i'll show you a picture with it but before i show you the picture there's a ton of charlie kirk assassination assassination excuse me there's a ton of charlie kirk assassination simulators in roblox that are publicly facing that any child can join that are very graphic some are are photorealistic some are cartoon where they can play the role of the shooter they can they can watch in the crowd as he as he bleeds out.

Speaker 2 Any child can join this. And I have photos of it so you can see.

Speaker 1 This is on a on the on the most popular kids game in the fucking world.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 So here's some screenshots of Roblox. If you join my Discord server, you'll see Real CP.
That's just one. SWADUS, we dare you.
You're based in your mother's basement, but look at that. That's

Speaker 2 there. It is another one.

Speaker 2 Yep. The Roblox in-game chat chat references twist sexual fantasy 764 and the age of young gamer so if you look in there

Speaker 2 uh join slash that name that's a very popular group for the calm so they don't they don't even hide they don't even hide calm girl on cam slash where the calm girl's at calm girl meaning like a girl they're telling you what they're gonna do before they do it well not all the time sometimes they lure them straight in here and they don't in this case they're straight up saying where to go watch it and this is in-game like in a children's game that should be blocking all of this.

Speaker 2 Kirk knew it was coming. Hi, Gabby.
And you can see the photo of it happening on this character's shirt.

Speaker 2 There's a game. You can literally go on the Roblox website.

Speaker 1 Assassinate Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 And just press the play button and just play it. And you see this.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. Yeah, you can use real V-Bucks to buy these t-shirts, which, not V-Bucks, I'm sorry, Robux, to buy these t-shirts.

Speaker 2 And, you know it's that means roblox is making 30 off every sale of that t-shirt so bro roblox is making 30

Speaker 1 off selling gamer what do you call that like a skin a skin yeah a gamer skin like an outfit for your character to wear that is charlie kirk shot in the fucking neck bleeding to death yep if they make roblox makes money off this shit they make money off of all

Speaker 2 the predatory behavior and parents are parents are supporting this that's fucking genius it's unbelievable because they're too fucking lazy to watch their own kids that's what this is they're too lazy to watch their own kids and they think that it's not going to happen to them and it's and their kids are smart enough to not fall into this trap it's all these things that is not the case they're wrong they're they're wrong and i can tell you with absolute certainty i i do this every day six almost seven days a week of my life is dedicated to this topic and i don't have a child i and when i do i don't know how i'm going to act as a parent but i could tell you with for absolute sure, this is not going to happen in my house.

Speaker 2 It's not going to happen. My kids are not going to be part of these games.
They're not going to be part of social media until a later age. I understand.

Speaker 2 There'll be friends that are going to hand them the phone. I know they're going to break the rules, but I want my, and look, I can't speak on what I can't.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 Maybe I have a kid that defies everything that I say. And I'll eat my words at that time.
But right now, I'm,

Speaker 2 I can't, I can't understand why you would even let your child play the game. Why would you buy them them Robux in the game?

Speaker 2 Why would you give them access to a computer if you see they're even playing it, knowing what you know right now?

Speaker 2 So not just Roblox, Minecraft 2, any game where they're talking to strangers that is unrestricted.

Speaker 2 You should not let them play, especially at a very young age where they don't even know right from wrong. So that's, I could go on or I can keep going on a rant, but.
Parents are going to make

Speaker 2 decisions for themselves. And the question that I'm going to get asked, and I get asked by everybody, is what can you do about it? Well, the answer is two things.
I wish I had a better answer.

Speaker 2 It's either sign up for a monitoring software like Bark, because Bark is very good for what it does.

Speaker 2 It monitors for bullying, monitors for sexual type of activity, and monitors for suicidal ideations, all of those things. I have no partnership in Bark.
I just like their company.

Speaker 2 I think they do a great job.

Speaker 2 Custodio is another one that also monitors devices, but Bark is the one I know the most. They both, I'm sure, are great.
And the most important one is being aware of what this stuff is.

Speaker 2 Do your research. Watch the news or Google search some of these terms on the news, 764 group, the comm, Roblox, Predators on the internet.
Watch some of these podcasts.

Speaker 2 Listen to some of Sean's episodes.

Speaker 2 Get yourself familiar so that when you have a conversation with your kid, when you decide it's the right age to talk to them about this or that, then you have less of a chance of them falling into this vicious cycle and if they do fall into it they feel comfortable enough to about it to come to you about it and tell you and uh and that's the best of the best advice that i can offer you i don't have a button that just erases predators off this planet if i did then half of my life would be a lot more free than it is right now but i gotta i got something you know about this you know

Speaker 1 this needs to spread and so if you're a parent

Speaker 1 When your kid's hanging around with other kids, because everybody's addicted to their tablet, because all these,

Speaker 1 I don't know what the fuck kids are doing with phones anyways. I mean, you said it perfectly the first episode.
When you hand your kid a phone, you're not giving your kid access to the world.

Speaker 1 You're giving the world access to your kid. Right.
I've said that many times since I've heard that come out of your mouth.

Speaker 2 I've heard you on that. But,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 you need to be. Asking all the parents that your kids hang around with if their kids on Roblox.
If they're not on, if they are on Roblox, then you need to educate them.

Speaker 1 If they still don't give a shit, then you need to shame the fuck out of them. That's ridiculous.
This shit's fucking crazy. Don't let your kids hang out with anybody that's playing that shit.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, remember,

Speaker 2 we might be old school, but like, there was a time when going outside and riding around on your bike was like what hanging out with friends is.

Speaker 2 I know that's not the case anymore, and I know that parents are going to use that.

Speaker 1 And be the case, but it should be. It's what we do at my house.
We play outside. We do fucking bikes.
We do creeks. We do woods.
We do hikes. We do camping.
We do forts. We do all that shit.

Speaker 1 We don't fuck around around on the phone.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we do not fuck around on the phone.

Speaker 2 And same thing with my business partners. They don't play that at all.
Same as you. There's a lot of parents that don't, that will not allow it.

Speaker 2 Another thing that's like, and this is a whole different topic, but I just want to just breeze over it real quick. It could get very sensitive for people.

Speaker 2 And this has, like, if you're watching this, please do not take offense to this because it has nothing to do with

Speaker 2 you being into men, women, being trans. I don't care what you're into.
You can look at me as a Christian or a right-wing extremist or whatever else you that I've read about myself online.

Speaker 2 I don't care if you're gay. I don't care if you're trans.
I don't care about any of the other things, gender fluid, all of the things I'm not thinking of right now.

Speaker 2 What I care about is if you're attracted to children, I don't like you. It's as simple as that.
I don't care if you're a girl, a guy, a strawberry,

Speaker 2 whatever. I don't care.

Speaker 2 But when you bring these books into kids' schools at extreme young young ages, like I'm walking in Florida, which as most of you know is a pretty wild state and usually against a lot of things that, I mean, a lot of people don't like Florida.

Speaker 2 I'm walking through Barnes ⁇ Noble's and I see that there's the gay BCs in there, bye-bye binary. And I'm looking in the table of contents of some of these books.

Speaker 2 And one of them is talking about AIDS. It's like, how do you explain to your four, five, six, seven-year-old kid what AIDS is without telling them what anal sex is? Yeah.
Like you can't. You can't.

Speaker 2 So why bring these children's books into a school and expect kids to like, I didn't learn about sex ed until maybe seventh, eighth grade in gym class.

Speaker 2 And it was like cartoons on the screen explaining what the body parts were.

Speaker 2 These kids are learning like for you to know what the opposite sex is and for sexes to be attracted to the same sex, they have to understand what sex is.

Speaker 2 And the only people that should be teaching their kids about anything sexual is their parents. So I don't know.
That's a whole different topic, a whole different tangent, but I don't like these books.

Speaker 2 It's got nothing to do with lesbian, lgbtq has nothing to do with that i really genuinely own my everything that i love i don't care but i do care when it comes to kids i think they should make that decision as grown adults and uh you know this is why so many people are moving to homeschool it makes sense at remote assumption

Speaker 1 tons of people are moving to the homeschool program because of shit like that sorry i'm just it's got me pissed off we've covered that stuff several times or i don't have to cover it again you don't have to cover it again it just got me frustrated when I because it wasn't too long ago that I was I found out that it was in you know Florida bookstores and stuff's been going on for a long long time very frustrating but that's why you're seeing that's why you are seeing this wave of people move into homeschool because they're just tired of the shit they're not going to deal with it anymore and the last thing I want to say the last thing I want to say real quick is is when to when talking about these

Speaker 2 cults and satanic groups and some of the stuff that we talked about and read, i understand the people that are watching some of you are not going to be able to see these these videos in full pictures in full um but i want you to understand how graphic this stuff actually is how much damage they're actually doing to children to their to animals to their family to strangers how volatile this could be and remember where it starts it starts on these games like Roblox, like Minecraft, websites masquerading themselves as mental health support groups.

Speaker 2 It could could even be an actual mental health support group that they groom your child off of. So remember those things.

Speaker 2 If you don't see any of the content and you don't believe it's as severe as I'm saying that it is and Sean saw with his own eyes,

Speaker 2 just trust me when I tell you that it is.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I pray to God that your kid never becomes a victim of any type of sexual crime as well as any sort of

Speaker 2 crime or murder. Turn them into a crime.
All of it. I don't even want to I don't even know what to say Sean It's got me I can't I've never spoke on this topic before we're doing it Ryan.

Speaker 1 We're doing it the parents that care are gonna watch this their kids aren't gonna be on Roblox anymore.

Speaker 1 They're gonna be educated just like the last time and then there's gonna be a handful of parents that just don't give a fuck That's on them.

Speaker 2 That's on them.

Speaker 1 They can they can regret it when they when they figure it out themselves on just this alone is going i mean and look if it's not if let's say roblox disappears tomorrow

Speaker 1 let's just say 75 billion people watch this episode and they're all on Roblox. They're like, fuck it, I'm out.
Then it's just going to move to something else.

Speaker 1 So you got to be, you have to be a vigilant parent. You have to pay attention to what your kids are doing online.

Speaker 1 But I think, you know, the majority of, at least this audience,

Speaker 1 people take. take action.

Speaker 2 I believe it and I know it. And

Speaker 2 I meet people all the time that watched our first episode. And like I said, I'm repeating myself, have said that they've made changes based on what they saw on our episode, on other things I've done.

Speaker 2 But it doesn't matter where they hear me. I don't care if they hear me in the, in a bathroom stall in, in Jamaica or Haiti.

Speaker 2 It doesn't matter. As long as they're hearing it from somebody, it doesn't have to be me.
And they make a change. That's all I care about.

Speaker 1 I did want to cover one more topic here. Absolutely.
We were talking about it. We were chatting about it last night.
Only fans for teens. Yes.
Brand Army. I had no idea this shit was going on either.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What the fuck is this? I mean, you educated me on it last night, but I'd like you to educate the audience on it.

Speaker 2 Sure. So the brief, the brief, because that's a whole investigation within itself.
So if you're not familiar with OnlyFans, it's a website where people can sell their bodies for money.

Speaker 2 That's that's for adults, adults only.

Speaker 2 There's a site called Brand Army that you can join the site as early as 13 years old, and they have a policy of of how how many bikini slash like you know revealing photos that you can post uh before like so you you could post let's say one bikini photo and then it has to be two normal photos and then another photo that's revealing and then two more normal photos and these are 13 year old you know girls or boys but the the other part of it is to subscribe to their content where they're paying for this these the child's content and the parents are actually directly profiting off of it you have to be 18 years old to subscribe to the children's content so it's so backwards there's a house in in Florida called the bop house BOP house that bop is like a slang term kids are using for like a slut or whatever

Speaker 2 and there's a lot of only fans girls living in there but one of them was under 18 and they were waiting for her to turn 18 be to bring her on to only fans and they were using brand army before that they were are you fucking yeah

Speaker 2 yeah so they knew exactly what they're doing it's not like a misunderstanding this is they're like the parents that are doing it and letting their kids use brand army are fully aware they're selling,

Speaker 2 they're sexualizing their children and profiting, sexualizing their children and profiting off of it. They're fully aware of it.

Speaker 2 I didn't think I was going to get this worked up this episode.

Speaker 2 My apologies.

Speaker 1 Ryan, what are you doing to take care of yourself?

Speaker 1 I worry about you, man.

Speaker 2 Not a lot, man but i got some advice recently to there's a great therapist in texas that i was told about who specializes in some of this specific type of stuff um

Speaker 2 and you know a lot of this i feel like i compartmentalize and and i'm having some physical issues i talked to you about i don't really want to get into that here but

Speaker 2 even if i really feel like i'm able to compartmentalize and focus on this being a good thing and i keep convincing myself it's worth it because it's a good thing and i don't let it affect anything in my in my life that's what i really believe It's now physically proven to me that that isn't the case.

Speaker 2 It has to be subconsciously affecting me so much so that it's becoming a problem I need to get help for. And I'm not saying that to pity me or to feel bad for me, but

Speaker 2 take many years of dealing with the most gruesome stuff that's

Speaker 2 probably worse than murder every single day. And I think anyone is going to have some type of reaction to it.
If you didn't, I think there'd be something wrong with you. So

Speaker 2 at some point, I will seek out the right type of help. Therapy is a tough topic for me.
As you know, I've owned three mental health facilities.

Speaker 2 So finding a good therapist is a little harder for me than your average person because I got some internal feelings about them. And then growing up with therapists, they weren't the most trustworthy.

Speaker 2 It's like they were more my friends than they were my therapist. It's tough for me to believe anything anyone says that's a therapist.

Speaker 2 But if and when that one in Texas works out, I'll be happy to do it. And

Speaker 2 any other thing, I'll update you and you know, I'll let you know. But yeah, I need to take care of myself.

Speaker 1 Ryan, I want to bring this up because

Speaker 1 we've had several conversations about this.

Speaker 1 Last night, you were telling me stuff, and I'm not going to get specific, but it is very much affecting your life and people who are close to you that are around you.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I know, dude,

Speaker 1 different sector,

Speaker 1 not as dark as the shit that you're in, but spent a lot of time at war. I just want to fucking tell you, man, like, I get it.
I know that every time that

Speaker 1 you need to take off to get help, you think of that as there's one more child that's not going to get saved. Dude, you cannot fucking think like that.

Speaker 1 You have to take care of you because if you don't,

Speaker 1 This shit is all going to come crashing down and then you will not be able to function and then there's going to be a shit ton of kids that aren't going to be saved because you're not right.

Speaker 1 So you have, look, dude, you have to fucking take care of yourself. You have to go on vacations.
You have to be around people that love you. You have to get, you have to get help.

Speaker 1 You have to clear your head. You have to do these things or it's not going to end well for you, man.
It's not.

Speaker 2 I appreciate you saying that.

Speaker 1 I wanted to say this in front of this audience because they're going to back me up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and

Speaker 2 I respect you. I respect you.
I know that you know what PTSD looks like. I know you know what trauma is.
And if you're telling me I need it, I believe you. I take your word for it.
You know, it's a,

Speaker 2 there'll be a time where you get a text from me randomly and I tell you, I'm doing this. I'm doing that.

Speaker 2 It's going to happen. It's a, it just, I push it off for long enough that you're right.
I get what you're saying. It's just so much easier for me to push it off because of the reasons you just stated.

Speaker 2 We talked about them last night. So uh

Speaker 2 I need to focus on myself because if I yeah, I don't even want to get into what I'm going to say. So

Speaker 1 just started. I need help.

Speaker 2 You don't do it for you. I need something.
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 You don't do it for you. Do it for your mom.
Do it for your girl. Yeah.
Do it for me.

Speaker 2 Do it for everybody.

Speaker 1 Do it.

Speaker 1 Just fucking take care of yourself.

Speaker 2 I can't help anybody if I can't help myself. So I'll keep it at that.
All right. I will definitely get help.
I appreciate that. I love you to death, and I appreciate you very much.

Speaker 1 I love you too, brother.

Speaker 2 Thank you, man.

Speaker 1 I'm I'm proud of you.

Speaker 2 Proud of you, too.

Speaker 1 That's an honor.