#254 Brian Harpole - Groundbreaking Evidence From Charlie Kirk’s Head of Security

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Speaker 3 Brian Harpool, welcome to the show. Pleasure, Sean.
Thank you for letting me be here.

Speaker 3 Thank you for coming, man.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 very heavy interview today.

Speaker 3 And so you were

Speaker 3 in charge of the security detail in the company

Speaker 3 when

Speaker 3 Charlie Kirk was assassinated exactly two months and one day ago. Yes, sir.
And,

Speaker 3 you know, I've been really quiet about this matter because

Speaker 3 so many people

Speaker 3 are out there on it. And

Speaker 3 it just,

Speaker 3 it's a real shame, but it just got to be so much that I just did not trust my own eyes, ears, what I was reading, what I was watching. And

Speaker 3 I think a lot of people have sensationalized this. And

Speaker 3 that is a real fucking shame. And it makes it impossible to find the truth.

Speaker 3 It is. And it's not a word, but

Speaker 3 you said sensationalized, but it's like advantagealized, right? Just to take advantage of it.

Speaker 3 It's almost like sickening. And it has been.

Speaker 3 Really, that's kind of what drove me to come here.

Speaker 3 Well, Brian, I know know you

Speaker 3 and your team

Speaker 3 are taking a lot of flack. And,

Speaker 3 you know, and I just, I commend you for the courage to come out and

Speaker 3 talk today on the show. And

Speaker 3 I just want you to know, I mean, you know, I'm not a combative interviewer. I do have some tough questions that will be at the end, the questions that I've seen.

Speaker 3 all throughout the internet, questions that people have, questions that I have.

Speaker 3 Some of them may seem a little absurd but i i think it is i think it's important to you know just address all the major ones at least all the ones that are on my radar and um

Speaker 3 and um so i just once again want to thank you for coming nothing's uh if it's nothing's out of bounds except for something that may be covered in the nda that I did for a specific incident for them.

Speaker 3 And so if that's true, I would just say that. But literally,

Speaker 3 that's the big thing is that it's

Speaker 3 I'm sitting here, but the team is here.

Speaker 3 And that's the big deal. And

Speaker 3 representing now.

Speaker 3 I want to,

Speaker 3 and I also just want to say, you know, one, rest in peace to Charlie Kirk and God bless his family. And

Speaker 3 number two,

Speaker 3 I've lost friends. And

Speaker 3 I'm familiar with those type of scenarios. And I just want to say that I'm really sorry for what you and your guys are going through

Speaker 3 with losing your friend

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 also with everything that's coming along with that.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 yes, sir. But everybody starts off with an introduction here.

Speaker 3 Brian Harpoo, a highly decorated law enforcement veteran who served as a police officer in Texas for 14 years.

Speaker 3 In 2008, you entered the private security world as operations manager for an elite Texas-based security firm where where you specialized in executive and personal protection.

Speaker 3 Now you are a global private security contractor and trainer running your own company, Integrity Security Solutions Across Five Continents.

Speaker 3 A graduate of Columbia College, you earned a Master Peace Officer license from the state of Texas, along with graduating from the International Law Enforcement School of Police, supervision in South and Southern Methodist University's Cape Intelligence Program.

Speaker 3 most importantly you are on the stage with charlie kirk as the head of his contracted security detail on september 10th when he was assassinated it's been two months since this tragedy and there are

Speaker 3 a lot of unanswered questions and um people are starving for some answers i know a lot of people are going to be very interested in in in in what you have to say today but you know i want i just kind of want to give it to you right now and

Speaker 3 give you the opportunity on

Speaker 3 why you've decided to come out.

Speaker 3 You hit it.

Speaker 3 There's so much out there,

Speaker 3 and there's so much out there that's not true. And

Speaker 3 I was talking to your staff earlier.

Speaker 3 I'm older, right? And I have guys on my team that, or our team, that are younger.

Speaker 3 And if the truth doesn't get out there, it could hurt their you know 20 more years of work and that's not fair yeah and these are stellar individuals yeah these these guys are stellar and uh

Speaker 3 uh you know i i we've worked with just about every agency and police department across the nation and in the larger government you know fbi secret service and i've got

Speaker 3 guys will come up to me and say where did you get your guys where did you get these people And

Speaker 3 the only response I've ever been able to make sense is I just tell them and I prayed them in and

Speaker 3 they came in, you know, and our

Speaker 3 our

Speaker 3 selection process is

Speaker 3 unique,

Speaker 3 unparalleled.

Speaker 3 We'll get into that. Yeah, and so I like that cross on your on your jacket.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 I thought it would be good to start this episode with a prayer. Absolutely.
You okay with that?

Speaker 3 It's what we all should do. All right.
Yeah. It's going to be super simple here.

Speaker 3 Jesus, I just want to thank you for having Brian here today. And

Speaker 3 we have

Speaker 3 just a couple of goals today with this interview.

Speaker 3 that we ask that you be here with us in this interview. And we just want to bring some answers to unanswered questions here today

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 avenge Brian's team

Speaker 3 of

Speaker 3 these accusations and

Speaker 3 conspiracies. And

Speaker 3 we basically just want to clear the air and

Speaker 3 get rid of the confusion. And we hope this helps.
And we also just want to pray for Charlie and his family. And we hope that this

Speaker 3 rise in political violence comes to an end

Speaker 3 real fast. Amen.
Amen.

Speaker 3 Thank you. My pleasure.
I believe in that. The power of prayer is unbelievable.
Me too.

Speaker 3 I've received prayers from people from all over the world and

Speaker 3 text, and I would tell them they're heard and felt. And they are.
They are.

Speaker 3 Good, man. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, we got a couple of things to get through. let's do it man this seems like

Speaker 3 i don't even want to give this to you but it everybody gets one so i got to do it what's that but uh oh no everybody gets it absolutely embarrassed i i uh i uh um

Speaker 3 was looking forward to it uh for a couple reasons uh one my fiancé uh uh loves uh this type of candy and so i'll definitely share it with her right and and uh they're known for that and so um i i appreciate it thank you thank you very much you're welcome.

Speaker 3 You're welcome. And I have a Patreon account.
It's a subscription account. They've been with me since the very beginning when I started this in the attic of my house.

Speaker 3 And it's turned into one hell of a community. And so one thing I do is I just offer them the opportunity to ask every guest a question.

Speaker 3 And so this is from Amber.

Speaker 3 What is your favorite memory with Charlie?

Speaker 3 Man,

Speaker 3 it's odd. It was was recently, and believe it or not.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it kind of made me feel like I was just hanging out with him instead of working. And

Speaker 3 we were in Japan. And

Speaker 3 we had finished, I mean, it was

Speaker 3 like a back-breaking tour of

Speaker 3 South Korea, went to the DMZ.

Speaker 3 and then did a lot of stuff around there and then we had went to Japan, Tokyo. he did some speeches and um a couple of us had went to a dinner afterwards and charlie just loved uh japan uh and um

Speaker 3 he was like man something we had a bet and we were playing a game that if we could find somebody in japan taller than him

Speaker 3 Yeah, and so we were all like, you know, we're already like on guard looking scanning, but then you have this secondary thing behind you, like that, you know are you going to find some guy that's as tall as this guy which is absolutely hard to do and uh and then afterwards we went to dinner and um we were he was just eating sushi and and uh we were laughing and and having a good time and it was a safe environment so um the access was controlled and and it was just these goofy things like you were sitting around a table in high school with a bunch of guys that you were cutting it up with And I just remember he was like, he really loved the sushi and he was like, Brian, are you going to eat that?

Speaker 3 And I was like, no, he just starts eating it off my plate.

Speaker 3 And I'm like,

Speaker 3 this is, yeah, yeah. And it's just like, man, this is,

Speaker 3 it was cool. You know, he had never been to Japan before and

Speaker 3 he got to see some of the really cool stuff there. And then he was just on a high about it.
And so he was not Charlie Kirk. He was just a guy.
And so

Speaker 3 it was a very cool experience. That's cool, man.
It was. That's cool.

Speaker 3 Well, Brian, like I said in the interview, I want to really clear the air with a lot of things. And it's going to be some uncomfortable questions.

Speaker 3 But, you know, I've thought a lot about how I would do this interview. And

Speaker 3 I think it is probably most similar to the Blackwater one. that I've done.

Speaker 3 And so one of the things, you know, I'd like to talk a little bit about your background, your company, the training that's involved in your company, and then we'll get into some actions on and stuff.

Speaker 3 But, you know, I mean, this is just, this is just so wild. I mean, we've heard, we've heard it was a right-wing nut, a left-wing nut, Israel, a trans person,

Speaker 3 a trans person's boyfriend. I mean, it, it, and,

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 at the time, there were compelling arguments for every single one of those avenues, you know, and

Speaker 3 I think, you know, there's a lot of people that don't believe that this Tyler Robinson kid is the shooter.

Speaker 3 But I just, you know, we'll dissect all of this stuff as we go on. And then at the end, I want to ask what questions you have,

Speaker 3 you know, from somebody that was being there and somebody that

Speaker 3 had their hands, the first ones to have their hands in the wound. But

Speaker 3 so let's

Speaker 3 start with, you know, let's start with a little bit of your background in law enforcement and what qualified you to get into this type of folks. Yeah,

Speaker 3 I came from a law enforcement family, and my dad was a cop for 47 years.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he was a worker.

Speaker 3 He said, he is still a worker, you know, and he was kind of like a role model for that. And so I was kind of hell-bent when I was in my early 20s that that's not what I was going to do.

Speaker 3 And then just kind of got leaned into that, recruited into that. and

Speaker 3 did 14 years at that and kind of my area of specialty was I had the ability to go out and find bad guys

Speaker 3 and that was kind of what I did whether it just

Speaker 3 you know seeing the physiological movements of people in crowds or even in cars and and in or the way they walk and so you notice it you recognize it and how you can look at

Speaker 3 the way they act when they see you, or they're trying not for you to see them. And so, you can couple that and use that to make contact and conversation with people.
And

Speaker 3 then you find a lot of bad guys. And so,

Speaker 3 I kind of specialized in that and then also did emergency medicine.

Speaker 3 And so, there I had some really great mentors. Like I said, my dad, a guy named Jerry Venom, Bill Weyburn,

Speaker 3 Keith Lane, just

Speaker 3 phenomenal mentors in law enforcement that

Speaker 3 just kind of took me under their wing and or slapped me when I needed it. And we all need it sometimes.

Speaker 3 Have you ever exchanged gunfire?

Speaker 3 I've been shot at and then shot guys

Speaker 3 a lot of the times with non-lethal shotgun rounds. You have.
So you know what it's like to be shot at? Sure, sure.

Speaker 3 You feel it. I mean, I was close enough one time, I remember a guy shot at me with a shotgun.
And

Speaker 3 you don't,

Speaker 3 I remember that, it kind of sounds weird, but

Speaker 3 you see, I remember seeing his hair puff up because the gun was so, the shotgun was so short. Wow.

Speaker 3 And so I remember seeing the

Speaker 3 wadding come over my head.

Speaker 3 No kidding. Yeah.
And so I was like, ah, that means he missed, you know, because wadding's after the bullets. And, you know, but

Speaker 3 man, I got shot at with a shotgun one time

Speaker 3 in Yemen.

Speaker 3 And I thought they were, I thought a fucking kid was holding a sparkler towards me. Turns out it was a shotgun.
You feel, yeah. This guy was

Speaker 3 in an armored vehicle. A little over 40-something feet away.
And so you feel it. You feel the blast, right?

Speaker 3 And so grace of God, he missed.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 that career,

Speaker 3 I kind of, like I said, had some really good guidance and

Speaker 3 starting with my dad all the way up to

Speaker 3 these other mentors. And

Speaker 3 there was an expectation of work back then where you went out and produced. you know, integritized work and you went out and found bad guys.
And then when you did that, you kind of got a skill,

Speaker 3 developed a a skill. We called it, you know, you started sharpening your own sword.
And

Speaker 3 then that kind of helped me transition over into this field where it's about prevention and seeing it before it happens, right?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so that was able to really help me in this field go out and work and even in austere places. And I've done some work.

Speaker 3 in in on the private security side that makes law enforcement, the most dangerous stuff I did in law enforcement, pale in comparison. I mean,

Speaker 3 I wore cameras inside of

Speaker 3 cartel houses in Juarez.

Speaker 3 Wow. Yeah, and

Speaker 3 we were

Speaker 3 looking where kids were being trafficked, and we act like we went in to shop for children. And we were capturing that footage.
Sure. And we got made inside.
And

Speaker 3 then.

Speaker 3 That was as a civilian? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Wow.
And then I did the same deal.

Speaker 3 Can I hear more about that? Sure, sure.

Speaker 3 You were on a civilian contract to go into cartel homes. Well, it was an NGO based out of Dallas that

Speaker 3 specializes in helping people that are trafficked. And we were in El Paso working during the surge of people coming over to document that.

Speaker 3 And I was providing security for the people that were reporting it. And then I don't know how they came on the intel,

Speaker 3 but inside of Mexico and Juarez, there was a hotel that

Speaker 3 they found out that were the kids get warehoused.

Speaker 3 And so they were like, this would be great footage. And I was like,

Speaker 3 this is horrible, you know. And so

Speaker 3 we ended up going over and posed as shoppers basically and the guy gave us a tour and we went into this room that was about

Speaker 3 oh 50 feet long but only probably 10 feet wide and you can tell like that it was just bed bed bed bed bed and

Speaker 3 These guys were, I guess that's where you go in and shop. I don't know, but nobody was in there.
There weren't any children in there at the time.

Speaker 3 And then we went back downstairs and we're in the lobby and kind of talking to the guy behind the desk. And you can tell he's like the, the, I guess the front for it.

Speaker 3 And I saw a guy look, look through the window from outside. And with his head, he, he counted us

Speaker 3 like that. And then he picked up the phone and he said that into the phone.
And I told him, hey, man, we just got made.

Speaker 3 Shit. And so we ended up

Speaker 3 going out of

Speaker 3 Morris at a secondary ex-Fill location. And we ended up having to go out in New Mexico instead of Texas.
And so just got some great footage.

Speaker 3 But then we did other ones where I went to Pierre's Negras and wore a camera and showed how

Speaker 3 people would come back across and I won't say be harassed, but be screened.

Speaker 3 You have to pay a fee to leave Mexico and then you get checked when you come to the border, the middle of it, and then you get interdicted. Why were you there? What did you do? What did you eat?

Speaker 3 And then, so I'm getting interviewed, but at the same time, the camera crew was filming literally hundreds of people just walking across unabated. And so you got to see both of those at the same time.

Speaker 3 Wow. Yeah.
And things like that.

Speaker 3 Really good missions in South Africa

Speaker 3 doing things.

Speaker 3 Same deal. And so

Speaker 3 there's good work to be done. So you got a lot of experience.

Speaker 3 I mean, experiences,

Speaker 3 I have gotten experience through experiences.

Speaker 3 And so,

Speaker 3 and I've had, it's really a gift, a luxury, and

Speaker 3 I'm happy to have it. How long have you had your company?

Speaker 3 We started Integrity three years ago. And we actually worked for another company prior to that with Charlie.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 there was

Speaker 3 in 2022 is when we started it and started doing that. We worked for him for the other company prior to that.
And there's some conjecture out there on the internet. For Charlie? Yes, for Charlie.

Speaker 3 And other accounts. How long have you been working for Charlie?

Speaker 3 Since,

Speaker 3 I believe it's 18.

Speaker 3 Since 18? 18, yeah. So seven,

Speaker 3 been seven years. Seven years.
Almost eight years, yeah. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 when you started the company, was it, did you take the

Speaker 3 this, is it the original detail that started in 2018? Pretty much the same guys. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. We're, uh, we've added, obviously, and, and, uh, and lost a few.
Uh, you know, not

Speaker 3 different company. We lost that company lead or that company for reasons that we couldn't stomach that were going on.

Speaker 3 Um, but, um, and that's why we started it, this company, and that's why we named it Integrity.

Speaker 3 You know, we named things, and it's a weed company.

Speaker 3 Tell me about the vetting process to get into your company.

Speaker 3 What does it take to become a security contractor for integrity?

Speaker 3 It's what you're looking for. Yeah, it's a weird, for the industry, it's kind of weird.

Speaker 3 We have a group of guys. that are either from the original,

Speaker 3 we call them the OG guys. And then so, and then we have the add-ons

Speaker 3 that have come in. And then so a guy that wants to come to work for us,

Speaker 3 he has to get sponsored in by one of those people that are already here. And so this, you know, I'd like to come to work for you.
And so somebody vouches for him.

Speaker 3 And then so then he comes to our training facility. And we train, if you're in town not working to detail, we train every Wednesday.
And so it's, you know, defensive tactics emergency medicine

Speaker 3 techniques you know PSB techniques firearms

Speaker 3 and so that's every Wednesday and so they come out and they train with us for

Speaker 3 a nondescript amount of time some guys it's a month and a half two months some guys it's six seven months

Speaker 3 you know there's no timeline and at the end of that time

Speaker 3 the team gets together and they give them the thumbs up or thumbs down.

Speaker 3 And then if they get the thumbs up, then they start the vetting process of,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 what did you do?

Speaker 3 Are you a good dad?

Speaker 3 Are you a good person? Are you a were you a good previous employee employee? You start the just the normal vetting process after that.

Speaker 3 So you go through all of the skills.

Speaker 3 It's not skills.

Speaker 3 We have guys that come to us that the skills are are not what they need to be.

Speaker 3 But we as a team can collectively teach that. But what we can't teach is if you're not a jackass.

Speaker 3 Can you work well with a team? Can you think of people besides yourself? And sometimes that can't be taught. Sometimes it can.

Speaker 3 And so that's important.

Speaker 3 Those physical skills, the hard skills and the soft skills can be taught. And we have quite a a collection of guys that

Speaker 3 do that. Man, you know, we have some statements from your guys here.
And

Speaker 3 I don't know if you want me to read any names, but I will. They said they're fine with as long as just first names.

Speaker 3 I mean, here's just,

Speaker 3 you know, Blake, combat proven Marine.

Speaker 3 Pierce,

Speaker 3 more talent than everyone else. I mean, you have SEALs, world-renowned jiu-jitsu people, 22 years on SWAT, professional athletes with tactical careers.
I mean,

Speaker 3 22 years is a Navy SEAL,

Speaker 3 Marine and 30-year cop and SWAT commander. I mean,

Speaker 3 these guys know what the fuck they're doing and they're no stranger to

Speaker 3 dangerous work. No, and

Speaker 3 they come in with that, but we have a saying that says,

Speaker 3 because because they come in with that kind of pedigree and they're vouched in based on that a lot of the time.

Speaker 3 But we have a saying that your past achievements or affiliation are not equal to your current capability.

Speaker 3 So that's why they still have to come show that they can

Speaker 3 do that stuff still and still have the hard set, but still have the soft set. Make sure your skills match your ego.
Right, right. And your your resume.
Yeah. And so

Speaker 3 it's a and and that also builds cohesiveness. And

Speaker 3 I've never,

Speaker 3 in my years a cop, years as a cop, or until we started this group, even at the prior company, we didn't have it.

Speaker 3 It was a weird relationship between the team and the guy who owned it.

Speaker 3 With this one, we got grown-ass men. when we finish training telling each other they love them and then we leave.

Speaker 3 Nice. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What does the ongoing training look like at Integrity?

Speaker 3 It's a mandatory. I mean

Speaker 3 the guys are required to do it by our written policy 40 hours a year. And

Speaker 3 20 of it has to be internally and 20 of it has to be it can be externally.

Speaker 3 Most of the guys, I did the averages and I sent in our training logs and we keep them electronically so that they're not, they can see that their time date stamped with what we did, why we did it.

Speaker 3 And most guys get around 200, some of the guys are getting 400 hours of training a year. Wow.
Yeah. And it's it's advanced level.

Speaker 3 It's not sitting around like in cop dates where you're watching videos of

Speaker 3 You know, how to get along better with people that don't think like you.

Speaker 3 You know, it's it's it's it's real things that are applicable to what we're out there doing right now today and then and how we can raise the next level. And then it's ongoing.

Speaker 3 There's an expectation for it. And we've lost guys because they didn't keep the hours and I tell them, and

Speaker 3 they were good humans. I mean, good people that just timelines couldn't line up or

Speaker 3 things going on at home. And so they had to get laid off or furloughed and told, hey, when you come back and start all over.

Speaker 3 But the process started all over.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I would like to, I mean, we had a little conversation before we jumped in on the interview.

Speaker 3 And when you told me, you know, the, the process that you had developed, you know, to, to, to, to, to be vouched for, to work for integrity, the actual training pipeline, the, the, the, um,

Speaker 3 you know, all the guys on the detail have to give a thumbs up or a thumbs down. I mean, I think that's a a phenomenal way to hire for a security firm.

Speaker 3 On top of that, I mean, the ongoing training, I mean, you had brought up medical when we were chatting upstairs. You had brought up, obviously, firearms training.
I mean,

Speaker 3 you even brought up etiquette classes that you would bring people on to the range and ask them what fork they're going to use. Yes.
So that, I mean, so you are very, very detail-oriented.

Speaker 3 You have to be.

Speaker 3 You're in kind of a zero fail. And, you know, we see that now of work here.

Speaker 3 I used to, I tell guys that that come in from the law enforcement side, it's like, man, back when we were cops, if somebody got, something happened to them and they're in your beach or 10 cars got stolen or

Speaker 3 50 mailboxes got bashed,

Speaker 3 you went out and you're just like, sorry. and took the report and you went back to work.
You got paid the same.

Speaker 3 And in this industry,

Speaker 3 something happens by no fault of your own even and like that, you're done, you know, with that client. And there are people in the woodwork that'll come right back in and

Speaker 3 do it for cheaper, probably. And so it has to be that mentality that we have to be that much better every single time you step on a job.
You have to, it's, you know, people say that 110% rule.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, it is. It's 110%, but it's 110% of something that has to be the benefit, the big picture, not yourself.

Speaker 3 everything, the whole job, the detail. And you get guys together and you put them through that mess to get on the team and you've developed something that can't be replicated.

Speaker 3 I mean, we vacation together.

Speaker 3 We Christmas party together. It's a brotherhood.
It is. It is.
And

Speaker 3 once you, there's another step to it is

Speaker 3 it's so close that once you've made it through those steps and you're on the team and then you still have to put that kind of effort out. And then and then once you've put that effort out and shown

Speaker 3 even on jobs that

Speaker 3 you

Speaker 3 you truly can think about everybody the client the team the big picture

Speaker 3 what what we're believing in then the team gets together and then they authorize them to get the tattoo and then they get to get a tattoo and that you know brothers in christ for eternity wow

Speaker 3 and so you guys are tight yeah

Speaker 3 it's it's

Speaker 3 it's what it should be. You guys are tight

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Speaker 3 When you're

Speaker 3 screening your employees or or or the guys, I have to ask this question.

Speaker 3 I have to ask it. Of course.
Do any of your guys have any ties to any foreign intelligence agencies, more specifically Mossad? No.

Speaker 3 And I've seen that and heard that. And,

Speaker 3 you know, I've been in 39 countries in this world, and I've never been to Israel.

Speaker 3 I'm a firm Christian.

Speaker 3 I ask our guys, are you believers?

Speaker 3 We have no ties to Israel or Mossad or any other one. We're Americans, period.

Speaker 3 We believe in what we're afforded to do here.

Speaker 3 We believe in our

Speaker 3 system.

Speaker 3 And to say that we're Mossad or attached to any type of

Speaker 3 foreign entity,

Speaker 3 it's one of those that's crap on its best day.

Speaker 3 Do you have anybody on your team that you think could be tied to an extreme political party who is

Speaker 3 planning assassinations.

Speaker 3 No. One, um

Speaker 3 uh we're in each other's business.

Speaker 3 Where they have the time for it, I wouldn't know. But um yeah, you had mentioned some of these guys are on the road 250 days a year with Charlie.
Yeah, just working.

Speaker 3 And and it's not just that, it's I mean, um, a lot of we do a team trip every year down to an an undisclosed location. And

Speaker 3 some of the guys are there now.

Speaker 3 Some of the guys left yesterday after that job ended. I'll be going down the night before, I mean, tomorrow.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 we know what each other does.

Speaker 3 We know their kids' names and

Speaker 3 spouses. And it's like

Speaker 3 if they're doing it and they're not,

Speaker 3 they wouldn't have time for us not to notice. And then

Speaker 3 the heart of these men that are going to pour this out, it's like, we all, you took an oath. I've taken an oath.

Speaker 3 Most of my guys have taken an oath. And it's different in the security industry.
You know, you're not taking an oath for your client, but you are taking an oath to each other.

Speaker 3 And so they wouldn't do that. to the client, but they really wouldn't do it to me or to their coworker.

Speaker 3 And so that's one of those things. It's like, no,

Speaker 3 if you know us, those allegations become even more idiotic. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And you say this with 100% certainty?

Speaker 3 To my death.

Speaker 3 Roger that. To my death.

Speaker 3 Let's move into the threat assessment and the pre-planning for the event. Absolutely.
How many days prior were you guys there?

Speaker 3 We generally, the permitting process and all that goes on behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 And then there's a questionnaires that are filled out that we used to, there was a lot of busy work.

Speaker 3 And then so, you know, kind of like in the military, what you did, we create forms that, hey, let's get this information up front.

Speaker 3 And so that we have a duplication process so that we can confirm it. And so we started our first

Speaker 2 before that one,

Speaker 3 the 24th of the month prior. And so,

Speaker 3 and that was with the hard conversations meetings. You started that on the 24th.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 And we do. It's two weeks.
At least. No, it started before that with the intelligence gathering and all that.

Speaker 3 But the hard conversations, the sharing of information, the conference calls, the data sheets.

Speaker 3 And we put that in a timeline

Speaker 3 on an app so that this all goes up and every guy that's on that job

Speaker 3 see all the intel that comes in. It's a decentralized command model for the company.
And so anybody can make command decisions for the betterment of the client or the team.

Speaker 3 And so everything goes on that app. And so when I get it, they get it.
And when whoever's gathering that intel, it gets it. There's no hold, there's no power hold on it.

Speaker 3 And so that first information came in on the 24th and then the information share starts

Speaker 3 where we're walking through, you

Speaker 3 everything that you need for a detail. The site plan,

Speaker 3 point of contacts,

Speaker 3 emergency

Speaker 3 fallback locations, hard rooms, arrival points, hospital, you name it, fire department, jurisdictional authorities. All that comes in on an intel sheet and gathered.

Speaker 3 And then it's in that quick reference app so any guy can get it at any time they want to. And then we can share it at any time.
We can add people into into it, take people out of it.

Speaker 3 And so we found also that we utilize that format and it shows that we do, it can time stamp our due diligence also.

Speaker 3 And so that's why we use that as opposed to just, you know, sharing it back and forth or doing it on a whippet pad.

Speaker 3 So we have that in real time. And so that starts then.
What kind of...

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 At the beginning, when I was kind of looking into this, before I realized I'm never going to find any answers,

Speaker 3 we've seen a lot of

Speaker 3 Charlie's friends,

Speaker 3 people that are in the media, you know, come out and say Charlie had very specific concerns about

Speaker 3 Israel and that his opinions were changing about Israel and that he had expressed concerns about this to various media personalities. You know,

Speaker 3 my question is:

Speaker 3 is the man that owns the company that's in charge of his security detail, and you are the head guy on his security detail, were there any concerns about that or any other organization, political party, foreign nation?

Speaker 3 Did he express any of those concerns to you? No.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 Dan works for Turning Point as their security guy. And so Dan feeds down that to us,

Speaker 3 to our contract to security, which is us for integrity.

Speaker 3 And so nothing had ever come now

Speaker 3 from Dan, from Charlie, down to us about that. Now, at the same time,

Speaker 3 you got to look at the world we live in.

Speaker 3 And that's a reality.

Speaker 3 It's a reality that

Speaker 3 an organization, whether whether it be a hate group of any type, could want to hurt anybody. Not necessarily Israel, but

Speaker 3 we look at mathematics too, and there's probabilities and possibilities, right?

Speaker 3 And I look at the probabilities. The possibilities are infinite.

Speaker 3 And the probabilities are that it's not. The probabilities are the people that want to hurt him.
are the people that are there screaming things at him in front of us half the time.

Speaker 3 And so we have to look at those probabilities and the mathematics. We look at the possibilities too.

Speaker 3 And those possibilities, I'm sure, are out there, but we've never got any detail or intel to show that,

Speaker 3 yet, we should look into this deeper. I mean, it's just, it is very interesting that if he was that concerned about

Speaker 3 born nations or

Speaker 3 opposite political affiliations, I mean, if he was that concerned, I don't know why that wouldn't have been disseminated down to the security detail. I mean, I have a security detail.

Speaker 3 And if I feel that there is a threat, even if it's just a feeling, that's the first people that I tell. It's like security detail.
We looked at, you know, we look at all that and

Speaker 3 you can go back and look at his speeches. And Charlie was

Speaker 3 an absolute supporter of Israel.

Speaker 3 And then he would say, and they would ask him why. And then so, you know,

Speaker 3 we're in those things and we're listening, but at the same time, you're looking, but you hear these things and you hear them over.

Speaker 3 And I can remember him saying, you know, he was a supporter of it because, one, a nation should be able to defend itself after they've been attacked.

Speaker 3 Two, Charlie was a devout Christian to the point that he gave his life for it. And

Speaker 3 he referenced this, and I heard him reference it, where

Speaker 3 those places that are our holy land are being taken away from us. and not being able to visit and that you can't go there.
And so that protection of Israel was important to him and those holy sites.

Speaker 3 And he'd been there.

Speaker 3 And so he had talked about being there and how it changed his life. And so that's why those sites in that area was important for him to protect.
Now

Speaker 3 how you can derive Israeli hitmen out of that, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 We have never received anything from the FBI, which they were pretty good about sharing information, Secret Service, because of the,

Speaker 3 you know, the Charlie Circle. And we had never received anything from anybody that was credible that was saying that

Speaker 3 groups of that entity

Speaker 3 was a threat to him. We received other one, other threats all the time.

Speaker 3 You know, they come in all the time. And so you got to look at them.
Are they First Amendment? Are they actual threats?

Speaker 3 And so, you know first amendment threats would come in and these people are

Speaker 3 have disgusting they're like charlie i can't wait to you come to you know um

Speaker 3 it was somewhere in the west coast i can't remember what town it was but i can't wait to come to this town so that i hope somebody shoots you in the head and we can pee in the hole you know what yeah yeah it's like

Speaker 3 where do you where do you get this kind of stuff yeah and and and so where do you and where do you what are you benefiting from it right and so

Speaker 3 am i

Speaker 3 am I going to spend an absorbent amount of time with a possibility that I don't have any tangible intel on and I haven't received any, or am I going to put my eggs into this basket that is a probability right here?

Speaker 3 And so it's probable. These people are doing it with bomb threats

Speaker 3 routinely,

Speaker 3 physical, you know, threats to person.

Speaker 3 And so you got to look at all these things and work those angles. And

Speaker 3 Dan did that meticulously and he shared that information with us. And so

Speaker 3 if that came in, we got it. And we never got anything that no massage or nothing that was never, not once.

Speaker 3 Did anybody, I mean, you know,

Speaker 3 I've interviewed a lot of warfighters. I'm a warfighter.
A lot of times

Speaker 3 somebody on the team will have some type of a feeling or a premonition or, you know, hey, we shouldn't be here right now or something's about to happen. I don't have a good feeling about this.

Speaker 3 Did anybody here on your team or Charlie, anybody express any concerns about that day? On that day,

Speaker 3 for us personally, when you walk in and,

Speaker 3 you know, we talk about workup, right? So we start the back workup. And then

Speaker 3 we're a little different also as far as our guys don't just get to show up. The team goes out and we physically build all of our prevention model.
So they don't show up and just see it.

Speaker 3 They physically build it and we walk through with each other and we make sure things are done right.

Speaker 3 And so our guys are pulling bike racks and putting them together and they're putting tape up and they're looking at places all around the bubble that our area of responsibility is.

Speaker 3 And so, you know, they're looking around thinking, God, this is horrible. You know, we're at, we're, it's a beautiful amphitheater there at UVU, but, you know,

Speaker 3 you're

Speaker 3 you're a tactician.

Speaker 3 If you're somewhere and you're covered from an elevated position from 180 degrees, it's horrible.

Speaker 3 And that's where we were. But

Speaker 3 that's come out. It's like, why would they have it there? This is ignorance.
You know, it's a security fail. And I'm like, well, one, that's where they told us we had to have it.

Speaker 3 We weren't optioned out anywhere else. There's a permit you have to get.
And the school says, nope, this is where you have to have it. We don't get to argue with them.

Speaker 3 You know, we don't get to say no, but

Speaker 3 that's it. This is where you put, this is where you have to do it.
And then secondarily, Charlie liked it.

Speaker 3 There weren't, it wasn't ticketing. You didn't have gates.

Speaker 3 People, regular people showed up. And

Speaker 3 we had spoke to him about it before. And it's like, man, this is getting dangerous, you know.
And his response was, I know.

Speaker 3 And so it's like, but

Speaker 3 if you ticket it and you make people jump through hoops to come in or pay or go through magnetrometers and do this then the people with opposing views don't show up and then there's no conversation and when there's no conversation there's more division

Speaker 3 and his goal was to have less division through conversation And so the easiest way to get that was to open it up.

Speaker 3 And so, and that's not the first, I mean, UVU was

Speaker 3 an open air, but we did a San Francisco where we had a street takeover and people

Speaker 3 trying to climb over fences. And, you know, our primary and secondary Exville got compromised.
And so it was bad. Wow.
And so we've had New Mexico where We had no law enforcement assistance and

Speaker 3 not last year, year before, and we ended up physically just biting our way out of there. And so it's like,

Speaker 3 we get it,

Speaker 3 the risk. But his response and his,

Speaker 3 you know, his mentality was that this is worth it. We're making gains here.

Speaker 3 In your coordination with UVU, I mean, did they offer any assistance, anything at all? Yeah. Did you ask them of anything? Absolutely.
So we come in and we start looking at things immediately. Like,

Speaker 3 where are our risks? You know, it's a risk assessment when we come in that's why we get there that's why we start doing the advance so early we walk it you know we build it ourselves and

Speaker 3 and so initially we we have I spent thousands of dollars on drones last year and went and got the guy's license but if the area lies in the Provo Utah airspace

Speaker 3 I can't fly it That's a 107B. We can't break the rules.

Speaker 3 And then you had secondary restrictions probably due to heavy foot traffic for the school, but I can't go in and break the rules. There's laws for a reason.

Speaker 3 And then, and so now the school could have flown drones, the PD, but they didn't have them, right?

Speaker 3 And then, and then so, but Auram PD has a drone unit active and professional, and that police department, I will tell you right now, is awesome. They are, they get it.

Speaker 3 They, they were there, they helped, both on the soft side and the hard side. And so I started asking questions like,

Speaker 3 you guys have a drone unit? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good, good.
Do you have an MOU or a mutual aid agreement with the school? And they're like, yeah. I said, did they call you and ask for assistance?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 I'm like,

Speaker 3 why wouldn't you call?

Speaker 3 And then, so, you know, that's one. So just,

Speaker 3 I can't go in and break the law. I can't make my guys break the law.
I can't go in and do something that would jeopardize their. Do you have any idea why they would say no?

Speaker 3 I mean, did they, did they, was this malicious?

Speaker 3 Was this, was this being malicious towards the people? I don't know if no's the right one. I would say, did you ask?

Speaker 3 Did you ask this awesome PD that would probably help you in a heartbeat? Did you have an MOU with, did you even ask them?

Speaker 3 And the answer was, from them, we didn't get asked.

Speaker 3 We didn't get asked. And then so, so table the drones, which would have been awesome, absolutely.
I believe in them, but I can't break the law to do it.

Speaker 3 We're out there not only protecting them physically, but I have to protect the reputation of the client also. And that's a whole separate thing of protection.
So

Speaker 3 the drones would have been awesome, but I can't break the law. They could have used them.
They chose not to.

Speaker 3 And you got Overwatch.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 yeah, snipers on roofs. I got guys that that are qualified.
That's their career. But

Speaker 3 this is not a State Department job. I don't have an ITAR, and this is an Iraq.
This is Utah.

Speaker 3 I can't go in and set up observation points with snipers.

Speaker 3 That's against the law. I can't break federal and state law to do what we need to accomplish.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 that's their job. Our job is the close protection bubble, and there's a saying on this and

Speaker 3 there's areas of responsibility and we cut up the areas of responsibility in this

Speaker 3 in this pre-meet or when we start doing the advance.

Speaker 3 We've got this, you've got this.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 they have that

Speaker 3 overwatch capability and they have an MOU for SWAT for that through ORAM. not utilized.

Speaker 3 Don't know why? That's a question for them to ask. Why didn't you call? Why didn't you ask for assistance, especially when this crowd grew and grew and grew? I mean,

Speaker 3 good police tactics, if you're out and you have six guys that show up and all of a sudden this thing goes from 1,500 to 2,000 to 3,000 people,

Speaker 3 you go, hey, we need some help.

Speaker 3 Follow your pride or whatever it is. We need some help.
I took 12 guys there.

Speaker 3 I had double the amount of people there that the PD had. And we're we're only responsible for the first 30 meters and movement in and advance in and receiving and out.

Speaker 3 And we had 12 guys.

Speaker 3 They gave me six for the

Speaker 3 rest of the campus.

Speaker 3 Jeez. Yeah.
And so that's not the question

Speaker 3 for me to say, why didn't they? That's the question for them.

Speaker 3 And so there was that one, the site, man, it wasn't up to us. Two drones.

Speaker 3 I can't break the law to do something I want to do. Otherwise, I'd have showed up with an APC.

Speaker 3 Well, with the drones, I mean,

Speaker 3 you were in coordination with local police department, correct? Local, no, the UBU has jurisdictional authority. It's their campus.
Oram

Speaker 3 is the outside city. They weren't there because they hadn't asked.
They hadn't been asked to come.

Speaker 3 And we can't ask them to come. I can't call Oram PD and say, hey, man, send me 10 guys.

Speaker 3 I can't do that. I don't have the authority to do that or the budget.

Speaker 3 But the city, I mean, the school PD has an MOU or mutual aid agreement with them. Why not just call them and say, hey, can you guys send this 10 guys over here for Overwatch, all that?

Speaker 3 And I say that only because

Speaker 3 we had previously

Speaker 3 talked about areas of responsibility.

Speaker 3 And then the areas of responsibility and and I had a,

Speaker 3 and our guys all have not only an area of responsibility, but there's a job in a job.

Speaker 3 So you have your area and you have a job for that area, but then you also know the guy's area and job next to you in case he goes down or something you have to backfill him.

Speaker 3 And then we have the bubble around the protectee.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 mathematically, 2,000 people are in front of you. Where's mathematically the threat coming from?

Speaker 3 The front. Right.
And so we're looking for walk-ups.

Speaker 3 You know, people walk up, sitting down a package, walking away, displaying a firearm, everything from throwing balloons full of piss to muratic acid.

Speaker 3 We've had all kinds of stuff thrown on us over the years. And so there's a reason why those things are set up that way.
And there's a reason why those guys that day were set up around there.

Speaker 3 Every guy has a job. Every guy has a detail.
Every guy knows the guy's job next to him.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 we have that set. And then

Speaker 3 we, other people have areas of responsibility. Well,

Speaker 3 the Monday before the event, we were still working through the arrival. And so

Speaker 3 We have concerns with rooftops.

Speaker 3 I mean, we've got a location that we're we're not keen with.

Speaker 3 We know what our responsibility is. We know what our statutory authority is.
We know that we can't go up and set up

Speaker 3 our guys in sniper observer positions. It's not going to be allowed.
And so we have some correspondence with the chief of the school

Speaker 3 on that day, on Monday before Charlie was killed. And

Speaker 3 why this hadn't come out

Speaker 3 and why he won't stand up like a man and admit this, I don't know. But he's watching a bunch of men lose their careers.

Speaker 3 And he's okay with it.

Speaker 3 On Monday before,

Speaker 3 this correspondence went to Chief Long. Hello, Chief Long.
We received this message today from the student group.

Speaker 3 There is a student roof access pretty close to where CK will be set up at the Utah Valley. the Sorenson Center.
It has a couple of staircases that go up to walkways on the roofs. He comes back and

Speaker 3 for edification the Sorenson Center was the building in front of the Lucy Center. And so

Speaker 3 he comes back and he says, you want access to the roof and came back and said, I was told students have access above us. If this is true, it would be nice to either have it controlled access

Speaker 3 or allow one of my guys to be there as well if possible. He comes back and his last correspondence was, I got you covered.

Speaker 3 What else am I to do?

Speaker 3 When a command level

Speaker 3 person from an accredited police department says, I've got this area.

Speaker 3 Jeez.

Speaker 3 Have you been in con who is that? That was the the chief of police for the UVU Police Department. We've called him.
He's never called us back. Holy shit.

Speaker 3 Does he have a name?

Speaker 3 Chief Long. Chief Long.
And I didn't know if it said deputy in that or not, because

Speaker 3 in the correspond or in his stuff on the website, it says Deputy Chief Long, but we just called him Chief Long.

Speaker 3 So it's like,

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 I got guys that are 10 times more qualified than what he could have produced for us, probably.

Speaker 3 So literally, all they had to do is post

Speaker 3 anybody at that stairwell.

Speaker 3 Stairwell growth. Or put a drone up.

Speaker 2 Or let us.

Speaker 3 Let you do your job. Or let us.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 our team is built.

Speaker 3 Would it be okay if we put that

Speaker 3 in shot of that text up for everybody to see? Absolutely. So they know it's real? Yeah, absolutely.
And do a FOIA for his phone.

Speaker 3 That's a good idea. Do a FOIA.
Do a FOIA for his phone and have those records put out so everybody can see them. Do a FOIA for the communications for days leading up to it.

Speaker 3 Do it.

Speaker 3 And the truth's like a line. You set it free and it'll fight for itself.

Speaker 3 One of my favorite sayings.

Speaker 3 Last question before we take a break. I just want to ask, were you understaffed or,

Speaker 3 I mean, was anybody sick? Did you have what you needed? Yeah, we usually had this. This is the same as every other event.
No, no, we upped it. Yeah.
You upped it. Yeah, we upped it.

Speaker 3 We usually would run eight to nine, depending on how many movements and how much movement inside. And so

Speaker 3 based on no

Speaker 3 articulable threat, but just the current world situation prior to that day,

Speaker 3 we upped the manpower

Speaker 3 to 12, and then we had actually a 13 there that came in the drive party.

Speaker 3 And so, but yeah, we upped it based on nothing because it's like, all right,

Speaker 3 we're in a kind of a place where we don't want to be.

Speaker 3 We're expecting a big crowd. It's the first one.

Speaker 3 We don't want to get behind the eight ball.

Speaker 3 We, in security industry, it's a prevention industry, not a response industry. It is a response industry, but it should be a prevention industry.
So we're there in the prevention model.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 you can see, if you pull the schematic up, the placement I put for our guys.

Speaker 3 And on that day, thank goodness we had them because where the tent was that Charlie was under, there was a giant walkway above him.

Speaker 3 And when we were doing the walk that morning, one of the things that didn't come out in our advance was there was giant rocks that they used for architectural design all around there.

Speaker 3 And so we're seeing these rocks on the ground. And it's like, oh, people can come by and pick up these rocks and then throw them down on us and throw them down on Charlie.

Speaker 3 And so we did a temporary criminal trespass zone right above him on that bridge walkway so that. people couldn't come in it and throw rocks down on him.

Speaker 3 And so,

Speaker 3 but the problem is that we had to get PD units in here to take that area of responsibility.

Speaker 3 And we told them, hey, just like out there, we need you here to have oversight coverage because one, it's a tape line. It's not a hard, you know, wall or anything.

Speaker 3 And so you need statutory authority under Utah law to say, hey, you can't come in or you can be arrested. And so the PD came and did that.

Speaker 3 And then we had one, Scott, that did a hellacious job on making sure they stayed there and did their job.

Speaker 3 And so, thank goodness we brought extra people.

Speaker 3 And so we upped our manpower for that one. Due diligence was done.

Speaker 3 You know, we had,

Speaker 3 it's weird in the security industry. I get calls all the time, and they're like, hey, we want to...

Speaker 3 run a security detail and we want you know 10 guys that are former seals and operators and SWAT guys and we want up armoreds and this and this.

Speaker 3 And then I'm like, all right, you know, here's what it's going to cost. And they'll call back, all right, we want one guy and a Toyota Sienna, you know, and so

Speaker 3 it's, it's, budget's a factor. Yeah.
And and and and we eat a lot of money every year based on, you know, hey, last minute non-approval of people, but let's bring them in just to save our asses.

Speaker 3 And that's a regular thing. And

Speaker 3 so, yeah, we, we had, we had people for our assignment, And our assignment and our people's assignment was carried out meticulously. I mean, you had Dan next to Charlie, and Dan's only job is Exville.

Speaker 3 And you can see when Charlie got shot within two seconds, Dan had his hands on him to push him down to the ground. And then within,

Speaker 3 you break it down forensically, like within five seconds, I was on top of Charlie. And then you saw our team actually doing exactly

Speaker 3 falling back on top of him and collapsing back on top of him. Not one radio comms came out.
It's unneeded. They all know their jobs.

Speaker 3 Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll get into actions on.
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Speaker 3 all right brian we're back from the break we're getting ready to cover timeline and security during the event actions on

Speaker 3 and um so could you could you walk me through the security setup for the event sure Who's placed where, what you guys are seeing? Yeah, so we come in and we start, we look at setup in the mornings.

Speaker 3 And like I said earlier, the guys are all part of it. So there's intimate knowledge.
Every guy has intimate knowledge of the setup.

Speaker 3 So we come in, we do the placement of where Charlie's going to speak from, and that's kind of like the ground zero. And then we build out from that.

Speaker 3 And people are in the security industry, you know, you have this thing called the concentric circle of security theory, right? And it doesn't have to be a circle.

Speaker 3 It could be a line or a moving box or however you want to work it. And you have zones and you have a

Speaker 3 permeable zone, a semi-permeable zone, and a non-permeable zone. And so

Speaker 3 you can come in on the fly and set up these zones.

Speaker 3 And so we come in and we set this up. So Charlie's tent

Speaker 3 was on that right in the middle. And then we start, so you want to start at the very back.

Speaker 3 And so we started with a non-permeable zone, but it was one of those ones where it's mainly visual, and it's just tape across this arrival section.

Speaker 3 And all it is is caution tape, but it's just to keep good people good.

Speaker 3 That's it. And we know that.

Speaker 3 And so that's just to let people, the foot traffic out that we know people won't come in there. So that if somebody's doing something bad, they stick out.

Speaker 3 And then inside that zone, we place our vehicles, and you can kind of see it on the aerial, or you can see it when you see the footage.

Speaker 3 We put those vehicles behind Charlie's where he's speaking for a reason that day. It's called SEPTED Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design.

Speaker 3 A worry was that somebody would come down that same driveway and just

Speaker 3 run him over from the back or run us, run people over. So you stack those vehicles so that the vehicles are being used kind of like big Hesco's.
or something. Barricades.
Yeah, barricades.

Speaker 3 And so that people can't get to him that way.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 we start, then technically that's

Speaker 3 semi-permeable. We still cover it.
It's like, hey, people could walk through there, but they have to be knowns.

Speaker 3 And then they went with hard bike racks.

Speaker 3 So hard bike racks then that come all the way across the back and they're linked together.

Speaker 3 And so those bike racks keep people from coming in out unless they're vetted. And that's where you would start the non-permeable zone.
And then we put a guy there.

Speaker 3 And he physically is there to watch that. And And his job, that's his area of responsibility, is he's back cover.
He's making sure people aren't coming up from behind us.

Speaker 3 He's making sure that the right people can come in and out. They don't have to be back there.
And we're not talking about a large area.

Speaker 3 We're talking an area that was maybe 100 feet across, maybe more. And then there was also a police officer back there.
We didn't request him to be there, but he showed up.

Speaker 3 And so we're like, hey, might as well utilize you. And so he just held the position on the far left side.

Speaker 3 And then you got where the tent is. And then this kind of where it gets into the meat and potatoes of it.
Because

Speaker 3 number one rule of protection detail work is evade and escape.

Speaker 3 It is, if we can evade or escape any threat without having to confront it, it's a win.

Speaker 3 I told you that time about getting shot at with a shotgun.

Speaker 3 I was pissed because I didn't get to shoot the guy back

Speaker 3 and went back to the PD and I'm throwing shit and whatever. And my sergeant said, hey, man,

Speaker 3 you won.

Speaker 3 You didn't get shot at or you didn't get shot. He's in jail.

Speaker 3 You won. Well, that's kind of the way you have to look at that stuff in protection work.
It's like, hey, let's evade and escape. And so things are set up that way.

Speaker 3 And so you have where Charlie sits and then you have a guy right next to him.

Speaker 3 And that person is solely responsible for in times of need, pushing him, moving him, getting him out of that that line of fire or that

Speaker 3 that those actions you know escaping evade throwing him into that ex-filled vehicle that's parked right behind where we're at and then

Speaker 3 you'll see we ran two double double barricades and those barricades are presidential style barricades they're hooked in the same kind you see the secret service use and so we have an outer layer and that first layer is just let everybody know hey you can't cross this and they're physically you know keeps them from from pushing over them and if somebody comes over the top of them you can see it just from the mere elevation change and then we create a secondary row of them with a gap in the middle of it and that gap in the middle though we didn't like it he liked that because that was able to show hey there's nothing between us

Speaker 3 right

Speaker 3 there's nothing between us let's carry out this conversation But, so I have two guys that are at that gap.

Speaker 3 And they come up and one of them is a measure of a man who has physical capabilities that are incredible.

Speaker 3 And then the one on the right side is a jiu-jitsu guy, a world-renowned professor.

Speaker 3 And so their job is if somebody tries to press through that gap or get close to him, then they're going to hold them up. And then just off their flanks are two other guys,

Speaker 3 Blake and Blake. And those guys' sole job is to control access into that alley.

Speaker 3 And also, if somebody tries to breach the integrity of those two guys, they're there to apply violence so that they can hold that and not,

Speaker 3 we won't weaken our stance.

Speaker 3 So those jobs, a response to apply violence on those people that are trying to weaken our stance. And then they're also access control into that little alley we've created.

Speaker 3 That alley creates a secondary gap, but it also allows us to vet people. Make sure, nope, you can't bring packages in,

Speaker 3 no water bottles,

Speaker 3 you know, check for protrusions, all that. And so when they come through there, and they're the gatekeeper there.

Speaker 3 So on that one side, he comes in, he makes sure, and then they come down, they pass this off to the next guy, and he comes up to the microphone and speaks.

Speaker 3 And then when he's done, he goes out the other side. And that guy makes sure he moves on.

Speaker 3 And then the guy, Blake, on the other side, makes sure he goes all the way out.

Speaker 3 and so they they have those those guys are dual rolled where

Speaker 3 they're there if these guys have problems they're going in to apply violence so that we don't lose any integrity of our protection so we can facilitate escape and then they're also gatekeepers

Speaker 3 and then you get deeper in the crowd and there's the guys that what they're looking for is walk-ups the the guys that are walking up close they're in the crowd they're in the crowd they're working

Speaker 3 yeah they're plain clothes they're They're working in the crowd. And

Speaker 3 Rick's over there. And Rick's job is to watch what's going on here and then turn and apply and look at the line.

Speaker 3 And you look for things like military-age males that aren't having social contact with other people.

Speaker 3 So they're up there, but there's no looking around. There's no talking.
They got prey gaze on the guy who's talking, no blinking.

Speaker 3 So there's a hard prey gaze, no blinking, or when you get close to a sick, excessive blinking. And so that's a good tell right there of a pre-incident indicator of violence.

Speaker 3 These guys are out there doing that. All of them are doing it in real time.

Speaker 3 And so, and you're looking for that. And how many of those guys are there?

Speaker 3 We have, in that, so far, we've gone through one, two, three, four, five, six. Six.
All right. And then so then we got those guys out in the crowd.

Speaker 3 We've got Scott working it over on the flank to make sure people from above are not throwing rocks down on people. Chris is over there with them.

Speaker 3 You got Justin and Alex holding that hard line. You got response to violence guys right here.

Speaker 3 You got Intel Gather, a guy out here, and making sure there's no walk-ups and or people that would walk up and physically want to apply violence in close proximity.

Speaker 3 And then you start getting, we had to rotate some guys.

Speaker 3 because we had people coming in and exactly doing that. Started pushing up signs, started chanting, started creating distraction and

Speaker 3 making problems. So we pushed a couple guys over just to keep an eye on that.

Speaker 3 And those are guys that are doing direct reporting. So they're the ones that are saying, hey,

Speaker 3 it's 14 of them or

Speaker 3 they're just doing signs. And so they're giving us real intel in real time.

Speaker 3 And these are also the guys that... that they're working in the outfield.
And

Speaker 3 these guys are see, they're out there for a reason. These are seasoned guys, these 30-year cops that have

Speaker 3 shown and not cops that are just in their checking boxes these are guys that went to work every day and they're like my job is to catch bad guys how do you catch bad guys by doing work they're they're work finders and so that's why i put them out there because they know to how to go out and find work they're not going to wait for work to come to them because it's too late then an example of that was

Speaker 3 before it's even over with i mean before it even started we put those guys out in the crowd and they're walking around, presence patrol, gathering information.

Speaker 3 And we saw some guys that were standing up in one,

Speaker 3 not in the Sorenson Center of the Lucy, but another area. And it was a guy that was in his 40s that

Speaker 3 looked like he wasn't, he obviously wasn't a student or is too old to be a student. He had a backpack, no socialization.
wasn't talking to other people.

Speaker 3 And so we went up and do contact and conversation. Hey, how, what's going on?

Speaker 3 You know, what brought you here today? And then we did that several times. And then we turned all that information over to the FBI.

Speaker 3 Is that the guy that was

Speaker 3 this the guy that stood up? Okay, we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

Speaker 3 And so those guys are in real time out in the crowd. Because that's our area of responsibility reporting real-time intel to us.

Speaker 3 So you got, you guys, if I were to, if I had a schematic of this, of the venue right now, which we'll put one up, I mean, you have this entire venue broken into zones. Zones.
Air zone

Speaker 3 scanning.

Speaker 3 Different people scanning. Every zone's covered from scanning.

Speaker 3 Not only do you not have, not only do you not just have scanning, you also have actual plainclothes security professionals within the crowd.

Speaker 3 We're all dressed like, you know, we're just wearing regular clothes. We're not wearing suits and jets.
Yeah, I guess I meant detached from the detail.

Speaker 3 Nobody really knows that they're in the security. I mean, they look it.
They're not,

Speaker 3 you know, they all have the look, right? But they're not college kids.

Speaker 3 They're all tasked with an active responsibility for that area of responsibility. And then they overlap.
So those areas of responsibility overlap.

Speaker 3 They don't go 200 meters out because there's a saying. that in these guys, I always talk to them about it.
We train to it is

Speaker 3 you have your area of responsibility. But if you're looking out all over this, you're not going to see anything.
You've got to look at less so you can see more.

Speaker 3 And so you pare down what you're looking at, and you pare down through that area of responsibility so you can see the things that are going on. And once that's cleared, you move to the next one.

Speaker 3 But if you're just looking out at the mountainside, all you're going to see is the mountainside. And the rooftops were supposed to be covered from the police drones.
P.D. said,

Speaker 3 I've got you covered. I've got you covered.

Speaker 3 And so that zone was dropped. Yes.

Speaker 3 And so that's the

Speaker 3 assignment of our team.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 personal security detail is just that, personal.

Speaker 3 Our mathematics are there's 3,000 people within 50 meters.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 we're working that. And then we also, and then you have that, but then you also have the guys that are inside that bubble.
And then I'm off to the right of it.

Speaker 3 And my area right there is command control. It's, hey, man, we're looking a little weak over here or a guy's reporting in.
I need assistance over here. Or hey, can you see this? I can't see that.

Speaker 3 And so we're working in real time on comms for that.

Speaker 3 And or helping fill in a spot. Somebody gets out of hand.

Speaker 3 I don't run over and jump on Blake and help Blake because I know Blake's a big boy and he can handle himself.

Speaker 3 I go back, fill in where Blake just left so that we're not leaving something open to go address a threat. You know, and so unless it's something catastrophic, obviously.

Speaker 3 And then you saw in the video where something catastrophic happens, there's no chatter needed. There's no talk to be needed.
Every guy's done that.

Speaker 3 We practice that. And there was a radio personality, I won't even

Speaker 3 say his name because he's not worth it. But

Speaker 3 he came out and he's like, Look at this. These guys are like a football team.
You can tell they were zipping and zapping. You can tell they rehearsed this.
You can tell

Speaker 3 this was staged. And I'm like,

Speaker 3 they didn't even hesitate. And he was sitting there just cracking us because our guys didn't run around like with chickens with their head cut off.

Speaker 3 And I was like, yeah, we practice that. Well, it's supposed to be.
It's how that when we train, train,

Speaker 3 we have iterations, whether it's PT or medical or shooting, and the guy that finishes last, because everything's a competition, because

Speaker 3 that breeds near perfection. The guy that finishes last, he has to get carried by the team to the next iteration.

Speaker 3 And how do we carry him? The same way we carry Charlie. So that's been done literally hundreds of times.
And so you don't need to talk talk about what you need to do when you know what you need to do.

Speaker 3 Was there anything strange, anything stand out, anything at all? Or did this just, you know, once you guys were in place,

Speaker 3 once the event had started, Charlie was speaking, I mean, is there anything that seemed out of place at all? Well, we do the arrival and we were supposed to do a meet and greet when he first arrived.

Speaker 3 And that meet and greet was in a hard room.

Speaker 3 But the timeline was a little off. So

Speaker 3 he decided where they radioed to us, hey, meet and greet's going to be off. And so we're going to run in and use the restroom real quick.
And

Speaker 3 then we're going to go straight to the tent. And so

Speaker 3 that was a call-off, but that's one of those things. It's not abnormal.
And we're used to that. But it doesn't change the plan other than

Speaker 3 we're going to a known. Somebody's going to receive him over there.

Speaker 3 Everything's clear, which it was.

Speaker 3 So we had a guy back by the restrooms to receive him. I had the door to pop it open.
He walks in. He goes, hey, Brian, did you get any sleep? Because we just got back from that

Speaker 3 South Korea, Japan. And I said a little bit.
And the last thing he ever said to me was, it's going to be a good day.

Speaker 3 He said, good. I said a little bit.
He said, good. It's going to be a good day.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 we

Speaker 3 used the restroom and then we did a couple meet and greets with some kids that were student volunteers

Speaker 3 just right by that tape. You know, and so we did a hard line to keep people from walking up.

Speaker 3 And then we proceed right to the tent. And so he starts throwing out the hats, which is a thing of his.

Speaker 3 Guys are already in place at that time. We're comms.
We're calling in. Hey, walking up, you know, five seconds, 10 seconds.

Speaker 3 They come up, crowd reacts, and then everybody goes to looking in their area of responsibility

Speaker 3 for, you know, walk-ups, guns,

Speaker 3 people throwing things, stuff like that. And that would be the area right in front of them.
And with the, just one more thing to cover, the evacuation routes.

Speaker 3 I mean, we had already covered, you guys have been there. You'd had a presence there for two weeks prior to the event.
Do you have the routes to all the venues?

Speaker 3 specific, more specifically the hospital. Do you have multiple routes to that? Yeah, so what we do on that one is, and

Speaker 3 we're not there for two weeks, you know, but we start working up for two weeks. And that all gets plugged in.

Speaker 3 Where are we going? And the one that we went to was the closest one, but it was a level three. Yeah, we knew that.

Speaker 3 The next closest one was another seven minutes away. We're going to the closest one.
Yeah, and we beelined it to there.

Speaker 3 And I'll get into how we got there and what we did on the way in a minute. But yeah, all that's plugged in.
You know, all that is information and it's known. And then

Speaker 3 we have a guy that, even though that route's pre-done, even though that's known, we still have a guy in there that's calling it out in real time on that right side. I mean, it's, he's NAV.

Speaker 3 And that NAV is important, you know, because the guy's driving is driving. And, and, and we needed a, Justin Expert drove that day, like,

Speaker 3 man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, incredible. And so, yeah, all that's known beforehand.
And so when people said, oh, you, you should have done an ambulance there. It's like, well, one,

Speaker 3 I can't make the city put an ambulance there.

Speaker 3 Now, there is a Utah law that says for mass gatherings like that, a Utah law says that for mass gatherings, a health officer needs to be assigned. I don't assign them.
The PD does, whoever does.

Speaker 3 And then it says, in that law, it says that they may determine where an ambulance is on standby.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, okay, well, they did have standby UTV medical there, but I can't make them make that, right?

Speaker 3 And first rule of emergency medicine, when an EMT goes, because I've done this, if you don't walk into the room when you're doing your skills portion and say, hey, is the scene safe?

Speaker 3 They fail you and you're done.

Speaker 3 Right. And so those medics that were around that buggy were nowhere to be found.
Why? Because they're taking cover like everybody else.

Speaker 3 And so, and the type of wound that we had, it's not a wait till the ambulance gets there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I'll talk about that and what that docks in and transport and all that. So all that was known and all that's done in the workup.

Speaker 3 So looking at hindsight here through the security footage, I mean, it came out that, you know, the shooter went unnoticed at 11.50 a.m. in the grassy area,

Speaker 3 12.02 p.m. near the loose center

Speaker 3 and then at 12.23 p.m. when the shot was fired approximately 142 yards away

Speaker 3 what was

Speaker 3 you know

Speaker 3 what was your immediate response

Speaker 3 um i'll address the the the the shooter in the timeline first it's like you know what i want to know

Speaker 3 i want to know when he got on the roof

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 we're shooters um we're it's easy because we have a range and our guys do it as a sense of pride even though we know we work on all this other stuff more, the shooting we work on because it's a sense of pride.

Speaker 3 And then so you look at things like that in that shooting position,

Speaker 3 three meters to the right and 10 meters to the left, there was no shot.

Speaker 3 And so I want to know when that guy got on the roof. Let's put the visual of what that looks like on the screen right now.
We took that shot before, really. We always do.

Speaker 3 We sit down in the space and we take the shot and send it back to Charlie so that he can see what he's going to see.

Speaker 3 And that's a routine thing that we do.

Speaker 3 It's a good idea. Yeah, it's mental preparation.

Speaker 3 So here's a visual of what you guys

Speaker 3 were able to see. Yep.
And so here's my question,

Speaker 3 and hopefully it'll come out in timeline. All right.

Speaker 3 We've all seen the pictures of the guy when he came on through the staircase.

Speaker 3 It's like, okay,

Speaker 3 there's a difference between a guy walking up and getting on a roof and a guy walking up and getting on a roof. And did he run over to a known position?

Speaker 3 What you're doing there tactically is you're working a loophole. You guys did that on a roof.

Speaker 3 You bang a hole through one side, you know, and then you step back and you put another hole and you shoot through that hole and that. opportunity comes through.
Like this is a big loophole.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 you you tell me you just ran up onto a roof pop yourself down in a position that was in a loophole can you can you describe that loophole again real quick just now that we have the visual up so be

Speaker 3 you you get up on this sorenson center i mean not sorensen center lucy center that's behind the sorenson center and so from where we're sitting where we're standing we can't see it

Speaker 3 one it's not our area of responsibility so that's why we're not looking there first one we're looking at threats right in front of us you you see how many threats do you have in front of you right here about 3,000 3,000 right and so that's what we're looking at and then it's kind of like you could be in in front of a 18,000 foot mountain and there's a 36,000 foot mountain behind it you're not going to see it

Speaker 3 and so we have to be cognizant of that and then if he would have stopped just a little bit to the right, he wouldn't have been able to see it because the the source and center would have been in the way.

Speaker 3 I mean, you can, it's a very specific point.

Speaker 3 It's not just,

Speaker 3 which is what I thought. I thought it was just climb on the roof and you've got the vantage point.
You're telling me there's enough blind ass luck that you ran up there, didn't crawl,

Speaker 3 you didn't

Speaker 3 get up. He didn't get up there like the secondary guy that tried to shoot Trump, where he was bugged down in the weeds for a while.
This was a boom on,

Speaker 3 boom, run to, boom, take this shot. And it's like

Speaker 3 did you get all that off? It had to have been rehearsed to find that to find

Speaker 3 that,

Speaker 3 which I believe you said is basically a, what a, did you say seven foots, seven foot vantage point basically ahead? Oh, I'd have to

Speaker 3 pursue the visual. Who gives a fuck? It's a small, small area.
It's not something. And then you would have to search for that.
You would have to search for that vantage point if you didn't know.

Speaker 3 So it would be great to see the footage. Maybe it's out there of him running straight to the point or did he search around looking for it.
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 3 Do we have that? It'd be great if that chief of police would have put that fucking drone up. We'd have had it.

Speaker 3 Or

Speaker 3 I'd have flown that drone up his ass if we could have had one.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 those are questions I have. Those are tactical questions.
I mean, mean, we make our guys do that kind of stuff all the time. Yep, no, you're going to run 300 yards.

Speaker 3 You're going to jump over this wall. You're going to come home and you're going to take this shot with ours is about a 35-foot declination at 200 yards.
And you see guys that are even trained

Speaker 3 miff it every once in a while. And people are like, oh, that's an easy whiff at 142.
I'm like, yeah, the shot itself, but you're talking about old men that shoot stuff off sandbags.

Speaker 3 You and I both know under duress,

Speaker 3 accurate shots shots are different.

Speaker 3 It's not a

Speaker 3 142 yards is not a difficult shot

Speaker 3 with a magnified

Speaker 3 optic. It becomes more difficult when you're winded, when you're climbing, when you're running, when you are nervous.
Visual noise all in front of your life.

Speaker 3 When you're wondering if anybody else is seeing you. I mean, there's a lot of induced stress.

Speaker 3 And, you know, and I just want to, you know, I mean, we're looking at this thing right now, this first-person view of what it looked like from under the tent.

Speaker 3 And, I mean, I don't know how long he was in that gap for, but it didn't sound like it was very long.

Speaker 3 And you have 3,000 other threats that you're looking at, the rooftop supposedly being covered by the police. Maybe it would have been a good idea to make confirmed that the police had the drones up.

Speaker 3 But, I mean, you are talking to the chief of police. You would think that he would have the fucking drones up.

Speaker 3 We knew there were no drones, but then somebody earlier that day flew a drone up.

Speaker 3 Correct. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So actually, you probably wouldn't have confirmed because there are drones up. We didn't know where it came from, and we're like, what's the deal with this? Now,

Speaker 3 it's not uncommon for the

Speaker 3 video team to throw a drone up and then take a quick shot. And we've had that before.
Now, their drones are different because they use those little bitty ones.

Speaker 3 And so they're not covered under the requirements.

Speaker 3 And so it's like,

Speaker 3 again,

Speaker 3 yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 We,

Speaker 3 do I need to call a grown-ass man and say, hey, are you doing your job?

Speaker 3 Do I need to do that? You shouldn't.

Speaker 3 You know, this is,

Speaker 3 you know, it's.

Speaker 3 Especially a man in that position. And it's like, hey, man, I'm not a fan, but, you know, Bill Belichick won for a reason.
He told his people, hey, do your job.

Speaker 3 and hey if you don't want to do your job that's fine do the job you said you were going to do

Speaker 3 how about that one so that that's kind of where our our guys are set up on there

Speaker 3 and then i was uh to charlie's right

Speaker 3 there were a lot of there's a lot of chatter on the internet

Speaker 3 about hand-in-arm signals you know, from the security team. There's been concerns about it from my own personnel that work here.
I've worked security details,

Speaker 3 done a lot of sniper work. Did you ever use hand and arm signals? I use hand and arm signals every single time on every detail, everywhere I went.

Speaker 3 And, you know, one of the rumors was, oh, you know, he's got the ball cap. He did the ball cap wiggle.
That's, that's the Marine Corps sniper. I've done a lot of sniper operations.

Speaker 3 Nobody wears ball caps. So you're so that was my lead question.
You, you ever use hand signals? And it's like, like, yes.

Speaker 3 Were your hand signals? And you had already established. I'm just, I'm going to cover for you here because this is a rumor that I just fucking hate.
I know it does. Because

Speaker 3 that is what it takes. You can't be on the radio all the time because you're tying the net up.
We had already established that you had other security professionals within the crowd.

Speaker 3 that you're trying to communicate with, and that's how you do it. That is how you do it.

Speaker 3 Well, I'll speak to this one.

Speaker 3 You're using hand signals or if you were to use hand signals and those are an option, especially like under MVG or things like that.

Speaker 3 One, are those hand signals normal ones that you would see during normal gesticulation? Are those definitive hand signals?

Speaker 3 They're definitive so that they can't be confused with a guy scratching his ass.

Speaker 3 And so that's the first one. The second one is that hand signal,

Speaker 3 when a bubble team is there, we're not using hand signals. Sniper details? Absolutely.
Why?

Speaker 3 Because you can see that.

Speaker 3 Are we looking around at each other looking for hand signals? We're looking

Speaker 3 in our area of responsibility. If we needed to relay a message, then we would, hey, right here on comms.

Speaker 3 And or

Speaker 3 we're notorious for, if I need to get somebody's attention on the team, I'm not going to sit there and use a hand signal if he's in my line of sight. I'm just going to go like that.

Speaker 3 He's going to look up and I'm going to go.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 if I looked up and did a hand signal on the team and did that or that, he's going to look at me like, so what do you want me to do then?

Speaker 3 So for that, that's not good communication. It has to be definitive.

Speaker 3 It has to be necessary.

Speaker 3 It could be an acknowledgement. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Yep. Receive.
Get me out of here. Yep.
You're right.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. Yeah.
And what you're doing there is deliberate.

Speaker 3 Yeah. These are deliberate.
You know? Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, no, we don't use hand signals on that one. We didn't use hand signals that day.
We've never used hand signals other than the general ones.

Speaker 3 Come here.

Speaker 3 Here.

Speaker 3 Two people. Here.

Speaker 3 You know, none of that was done. None of that was done.
You had Frank Turek and people were messing with him because he adjusted his hat. It's like, okay,

Speaker 3 substantiate. All right, so he touched his hat.

Speaker 3 There were a line of people in the front and all the other people that also did all kinds of things before that. It's like everybody's subject to that.
I get it.

Speaker 3 Man, I'm a huge, and I'm not a conspiracy theory guy,

Speaker 3 but I do believe that

Speaker 3 there are things out there bigger than you and I that are in operations.

Speaker 3 It's a fact. I also am a huge believer in the First Amendment.

Speaker 3 And so these people that are out there saying all this,

Speaker 3 back up. Why is the First Amendment so,

Speaker 3 so important?

Speaker 3 Because back in the day when our founding fathers said, man, why do we need this amendment first? Because a voice is an arms for people that don't have arms. That's what it was for.

Speaker 3 A collective or a single voice could be powerful to a hierarchy of people that can't be conquered with an arm. So we have to have this voice and we have to protect this voice at all costs.

Speaker 3 And they said and they wanted us to have that and they that's why they put it first.

Speaker 3 And it should be used as a shield.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 nowadays with the media and now social media,

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 right has been used as a sword

Speaker 3 and the sword of public opinion. It's like, hey, well, let's just put a bunch of lies out there and claim First Amendment

Speaker 3 and we can say whatever we want.

Speaker 3 And it's like, when's that stop?

Speaker 3 And literally whatever you want.

Speaker 3 You've seen some of the idiocy out there. Palm gun, exploding microphone,

Speaker 3 hand signals. It's like

Speaker 3 you don't even, it doesn't even have to be true and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 And so you're just using that First Amendment as a sword and not a shield. And

Speaker 3 we got to step back at that and look at it. I was talking to you guys earlier and I was like, at some point you put those people in the Way Back Machine.
And the Way Back Machine is you

Speaker 3 take them to 1985.

Speaker 3 And when people said something that was untrue about you or your family, and they said something bad about you

Speaker 3 that other people heard,

Speaker 3 you split their lip. It was a consequence.
An immediate consequence. Not a consequence that comes through a lawsuit three and a half years later.

Speaker 3 An immediate consequence so that a level of respect is gained. And then also, hey, if you do this again, I'll see you next time as well.

Speaker 3 At some point, some people need to be put in the Wayback Machine.

Speaker 3 Definitely not going to disagree with you on that one.

Speaker 3 So let's talk about the

Speaker 3 immediate response. Let's get back to that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Could you tell it was gunfire? Yes. How could you tell?

Speaker 3 I've been around gunfire my whole life. That's the first one.
And so,

Speaker 3 and there's a

Speaker 3 there's a different type of gunfire, right?

Speaker 3 We were at Berkeley last night and

Speaker 3 you heard somebody decided to pop off some bunch and they were loud, like six, seven M80s at a time. And people started panicking and running.
And one of my guys, look, I said, that's not gunfire.

Speaker 3 It's a different sound.

Speaker 3 You have an attribution of sound. And so you're used to it.
And

Speaker 3 having a range, and so you're around it, and you even get to like, well, that was a rifle. That was a pistol.
That was a big boy rifle. That's subsonic.
I mean, you can PID all those with your ear.

Speaker 3 You know, I'm no sniper, but you're out there hanging out with those guys and you get that sniper's ear pretty quick because they'd say, oh, hear that? That's what that is.

Speaker 3 And so.

Speaker 3 I've got my back to Charlie about, I don't know, less than 10 meters off to to his right. And

Speaker 3 my area of responsibility, just we had a big, a lot of people coming up some staircases there, and it was starting to fill in. And so I was watching that.
And

Speaker 3 I remember I heard the gunfire. And then

Speaker 3 I don't know if you've heard this, but I heard that bullet slap him.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 you hear two sounds, actually.

Speaker 3 And so you hear

Speaker 3 the actual shot, and then you hear the bullet hit him in the neck, like you hear it. And so in my head, I had an attribution to that.
Oh, I know what that is.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 I turned and at the time when I turned, started running, that's when Dan grabbed him. And I mean, this is a live fire event.
It's not,

Speaker 3 everybody thinks in hindsight, well, this is a one-shot assassination. No,

Speaker 3 in our heads,

Speaker 3 there's fire. You don't know what that is.
There's There's fire.

Speaker 3 There's more to come, right? And so

Speaker 3 Dan

Speaker 3 grabs Charlie, and then

Speaker 3 Dan was the guy standing right next to Charlie when he got shot on the stage. And then I was to the right of Dan.
Okay.

Speaker 3 And so he grabs him, and then I turn. and see him start to the ground, but then I'm just thinking gunfire.
And then he's leading to the ground because I'm on his right.

Speaker 3 Well, he was shot right here in the left of his neck.

Speaker 3 And so I jumped down on top of Charlie to cover him because where we're at, it's concealment at best. It's a tabling with cloth on it.
So it's not hard cover.

Speaker 3 So and guys, our guys are starting piling back in and they're down putting a human shield around him, but it's still just concealment. It's not cover.

Speaker 3 And so I initially dove down on top of him and just was on him almost face to face. And then when I was doing that, I went down.
I could see the wound.

Speaker 3 And so I immediately shoved my hand into the wound to stop the bleeding, just trying to find the pressure. And it was coming out still.
And I'm on top of him, like close.

Speaker 3 And it was still coming out enough that I guess... it squirted through my fingers and I could taste it on my lips.
And so I was like, man, this is a bad wound. Right.
And so

Speaker 3 I was just pushing that. And

Speaker 3 I don't know at that time. I know when you look at the clock, I was on him within five seconds and had my hands in him.

Speaker 3 And then I don't know when I put the first

Speaker 3 piece of medical on him. It was sometime after that.

Speaker 3 Because I carry it right here. And that's why you carry it on you.

Speaker 3 You got to have it there. So, but then I remember pulling back away

Speaker 3 and thinking, damn, this is bad. Like, it's coming out.

Speaker 3 And I don't remember saying this, but the guys told me, and you can kind of see it on the video. I said, prep the car.

Speaker 3 And I just prepped. And you see the two guys just take off.
And

Speaker 3 that car is prepped in position, but why? I mean, doors are open,

Speaker 3 the whole deal. And then so

Speaker 3 we're doing

Speaker 3 pressure control there and it's a carotid artery so you can't put a tourniquet on it, obviously. And then in my head, I'm like, you know, pack pressure parade, man.

Speaker 3 These are what you can do for that wound. But then, so I'm on top, and then I told the guys, we got to X-Fill.

Speaker 3 We're all out here in the open.

Speaker 3 We're trying to give wound care and we got to get off this X. All right.
And so,

Speaker 3 but I just said, we're X-Filling. And so we got up.
I think it was like 15, 16 seconds from the time the shot happened to the time we were picking him up and hitting him. 15 to 16 seconds.

Speaker 3 That's what it was. Yeah.
And so that's fast. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And this is horrible. That is fast to get an initial assessment, plug a hole, pick them up, move them.
Yeah. And so

Speaker 3 it's just like, dang.

Speaker 3 And it's some horrible realities of it, too. That like I told the guys this, and I haven't.

Speaker 3 You uh

Speaker 3 when I jumped down on him, he his he had doll's eyes,

Speaker 3 and so I was like, Man, these are wounds incompatible with life.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 yeah.

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Speaker 3 Let's take a break.

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Speaker 3 Sorry about that, man. Dude, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's fine.

Speaker 3 It's mainly the,

Speaker 3 it's going through your head. Like I said, I was like, man, this is a bad wound.
It's not compatible with life. And that's an old medical phrase that you use for reporting later.

Speaker 3 I mean, I hate to get graphic, but that's... Yeah, no, no.
That's how you do it. Absolutely.
And I remember

Speaker 3 the eye thump. Yep.
And so. If there's no movement after you thump the eye, that is

Speaker 3 done. Same, same.
And so at the time, I mean, I broke down just then, but

Speaker 3 some of my close friends had told me,

Speaker 3 I didn't weep a tear after that for like three weeks. Not,

Speaker 3 you know, it's like, hey, man. And I was like, yeah, there's a time for that.
You know, these guys, me, the guys I'm with,

Speaker 3 we've seen a lot of.

Speaker 3 effects of violence,

Speaker 3 messed up kids, guys that stick things into kids and just horrible people, right? And you compartmentalize that junk, right? So that you can,

Speaker 3 you got a job to do. And then

Speaker 3 sometimes those things, when you open that box, they come out, right? And that was one of them. So,

Speaker 3 you know, I'm sure it's good for me at some point.

Speaker 3 But so we get back to that. And

Speaker 3 so I'm down on him. And

Speaker 3 I don't know if I,

Speaker 3 when that sprayed me in the face, it caused me me to flinch back or what. But then sometime around then, I say they prepped the car and you see two of the guys just take off towards the car.
And then

Speaker 3 Gibby and Rick and Dan and we and me, we,

Speaker 3 I said, hey, that's Xfil now, you know. And so we get up and the timeline on that's like 15, 16 seconds, something like that, where you can see we're prepping.
But the problem is

Speaker 3 direct pressure, right? So when you're in a medical deal and you've been in, I've had these before on major accidents and GSWs when you show up on calls is you

Speaker 3 can't give direct pressure and move, right, in Exfil. And you can't, you have to, you have to have counters, like giving CPR.
You can't give people CPR like that. You have to have something that.

Speaker 3 So it's like, hey, okay, well, let's just get in the car. You can't.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but then you can't apply direct pressure to move either because it's the neck and there goes the airway. Right.
And so

Speaker 3 it's damn near the worst. And then I like,

Speaker 3 and then you, you don't give first aid when it's raining on you still, right? Or this first shot, second shot, how many more is coming in?

Speaker 3 So, you know, and so, so I was like, hey, let's just call for Xfil. So I called for Xville.
And so they let's go.

Speaker 3 The guys had prepped the car. So we're carrying.
We, we trained officer down, I don't know how many times or. you know, person down.

Speaker 3 And we were carrying, and you can see it on the video. Rick breaks off at the perfect time.
He goes around to the other side, jumps in. We do the drag.
Don't try to shove the guy in.

Speaker 3 Half the team pushes in. The other half team drags from the other side.
There's no comms for that. We just knew.
He knew that's what we need to do. We've done that.
He's done that.

Speaker 3 We've got careers built on doing that, real time and in training.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 guys weren't helping. Justin gets in.
He knows his job is to drive. You know, that's his job.
Dan jumps in. He knows he's nav.
And so we're back there. Rick, we pull him him across.

Speaker 3 Frank Turek

Speaker 3 just jumps in the back. And

Speaker 3 so

Speaker 3 he's a known.

Speaker 3 So I was like, yep, it's Frank, but I'm not going to fight him on it.

Speaker 3 Frank's there because Frank's hurting.

Speaker 3 It's one of those things where you have dead kids on calls and you're not supposed to let the crime scene.

Speaker 3 be contaminated, but I'm not going to deny a parent the ability to come in and say goodbye to their child.

Speaker 3 And Frank's many times said that Charlie felt like he was was his son. I'm not going to deny him that.

Speaker 3 All this is running.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 we get in. Charlie was a big man, long.

Speaker 3 We kind of laugh about it now, but

Speaker 3 we get him in,

Speaker 3 but the door is not going to close. We know that.

Speaker 3 And I just say, go. And we didn't even attempt to close it.
I told Justin, go, go, go. So he takes off.

Speaker 3 Dan's already got the route done. We know that because we've done it.
And so we take off in direct action.

Speaker 3 We get out

Speaker 3 onto the main road. And

Speaker 3 we are in a slick SUV, no lots sirens. And so we're breaking our own intersections.
We're cutting our own traffic. We're doing everything.
ourselves. Justin's driving.
I mean,

Speaker 3 he's a trained driver. I mean, that's what our guys go to driving school for, just for that.
It's expensive. It costs a lot, but it's a need.
And it paid off because he drove like a champion.

Speaker 3 Dan's up in there calling out right lefts with this is next turn,

Speaker 3 200 meters left, so he knows exactly where he's going. Rick and I are in the back.

Speaker 3 This is where it gets not funny, but you look back on it now.

Speaker 3 Rick pulls Charlie across, and then I'm working off my kit.

Speaker 3 And you always, when you build a kit out like that, you build it to where the stuff you need the soonest or most important is on the outside, right?

Speaker 3 And so all the bleed control is right there in front. So I'm just working out of the, out of the kit right there.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so I'm just, you know, packing, pressure, repack.

Speaker 3 It gets saturated. You don't take it out.
You just keep packing on top of it.

Speaker 3 The problem is we're going down the road and charlie's so tall that his leg his left leg is down in the door and the door won't close and so i'm on my knees with the door open with my butt hanging out of the side and i'm on my knees doing the medical and justin's driving you know we're going 60 80 100 and rick has me across the kit in my shirt so that I can use both hands to do a medical one.

Speaker 3 And so I don't fall out of the fucking car. So I don't fall out.
And I just look at him and I don't need to say, you got me. He's got me.
I know he's got me. Rick's a brother.
He's got the tattoo.

Speaker 3 And so I was like,

Speaker 3 he's got me. And so I just, I'm just working medical.

Speaker 3 And Frank's praying out loud. Rick's praying out loud.

Speaker 3 Does he have a pulse at this point?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 there's no way.

Speaker 3 in a situation like that, I'm not going to stop and take this.

Speaker 3 I didn't know if somebody else had one or no, and so I have SPO2 monitor there. I've got all the stuff for it.
I could have put it on, but it's irrelevant.

Speaker 3 It's irrelevant to treating that wound, right? And so I've got to stop that bleeding. That's my primary thing.

Speaker 3 And so whether he had a, where he had a pulse then, it's unknown.

Speaker 3 The body's an amazing thing that can do things even when it's technically, you know, destroyed. And so my concern is bleed control.
And so I'm just, Rick's got me. Justin's driving.

Speaker 3 World's coming by. I'm working.

Speaker 3 I ended up putting

Speaker 3 about 36 feet of

Speaker 3 dressing in him.

Speaker 3 and then four

Speaker 3 4x4s and then two hemostatic 4x4s.

Speaker 3 And then just pressuring the whole time. So you're adding, just pressure as much as you can get,

Speaker 3 pressure, adding pressure.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 we are heading to the hospital. You know, it's a known.
We're heading there, breaking intersections.

Speaker 3 We picked up a tale from PD somewhere along the way.

Speaker 3 And I know some audio came out about that. And I think they thought it was a secondary person that had been shot.
You know,

Speaker 3 but we didn't know if it was an active shooter. You know, everybody that says, oh, you should have treated him there and not moved him, stop the bleeding.
I'm like, well,

Speaker 3 yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 Same way. I was like, man, if it,

Speaker 3 no, that's not, medicine doesn't happen on the X. You know, any, nothing happens.
Somebody shoots at you, you get off the X, right? And so,

Speaker 3 and we didn't have cover.

Speaker 3 Just for anybody that's listening, that is rule number one. Law enforcement, military, any security anything get off the x yeah

Speaker 3 and so all rounds are coming in yeah and so

Speaker 3 um

Speaker 3 we uh get to the hospital uh um actually we we make it to the hospital through the traffic um we've got full wound pack in we get out and we carry in uh to the door once we make it into the door where we see a gurney on the left-hand side.

Speaker 3 We put him on a gurney and then I wheel him into a room.

Speaker 3 I start

Speaker 3 giving

Speaker 3 the patient information to the staff there.

Speaker 3 I end up getting on top of him and cutting the shirt that he had on off, that white freedom shirt. And so I cut it off so they could get to him.
So that

Speaker 3 I didn't articulate this to them, but I wanted to get that stuff off so they could put a defibrillator on him.

Speaker 3 And so,

Speaker 3 and then started talking about pushing drugs. And so I was back and forth with them on drugs and defibrillator.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so then,

Speaker 3 you know, once you get that

Speaker 3 shirt cut off and moved out of the way, you know, there's enough of medical professionals in there. And so I just want to get out of their way.

Speaker 3 And so I got out of their way and walked out of the room and stood outside the room and held guard on the outside door of the room so nobody else could come in there. Covered in Charlie's blood.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I had it all over my face.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 my

Speaker 3 Rick and I had it all over our arms.

Speaker 3 From about here down was just covered. And

Speaker 3 yeah, and it was, yeah,

Speaker 3 I feel bad for the hospital staff because we showed up looking like that and they didn't know we were coming

Speaker 3 even though we we had called 911

Speaker 3 but I don't know what happened to that so we show up and guys got blood all over their face and carrying a guy with blood solid on my pants and shoes and so then I just stood out there and then finally this lady and I

Speaker 3 feel horrible she

Speaker 3 came up to me and she said, hey, come with me.

Speaker 3 And she took me in a room and physically washed my face and

Speaker 3 my hands and stuff. A nurse that was there, the hospital.

Speaker 3 So I was like, man, what?

Speaker 3 Humanity.

Speaker 3 Man.

Speaker 3 So it's,

Speaker 3 there was a, you saw a lot of beautiful things.

Speaker 3 A lot of beautiful things.

Speaker 3 Rick was, Rick was there. Same thing with him.
He's going through the same thing. He's covered in it.
And Justin's there.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 Dan was there. And everybody's got this look of bewilderment.
Like, hey, you know, like, and so I told Justin,

Speaker 3 I said, check on the men and call your kids.

Speaker 3 Because I was worried about them. Because when we left,

Speaker 3 our guys went back into the crowd because they didn't know because everybody was on the ground.

Speaker 3 So, those guys that were still there, they went back in the crowd searching for other victims. No, kidding.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because they didn't know, because everybody's just laying there frozen.

Speaker 3 And so, once we got out of there, they went back in and started searching for other victims and people that had been shot. And so,

Speaker 3 I didn't know their status. And it was horrible,

Speaker 3 compoundingly horrible.

Speaker 3 When I jumped down on top of Charlie,

Speaker 3 my phone came out of

Speaker 3 right here. And so,

Speaker 3 of course, I just left it. I didn't know it came out.
So I get to the hospital, and

Speaker 3 I don't have the ability to call my children

Speaker 3 and tell them I'm okay. or my parents or my fiancé.
And when I travel abroad, any O'Connors job I do, I have a workup and it's all the numbers and everything, and I have it hidden.

Speaker 3 And so I can call what CONIS job.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I mean, I can still remember numbers from when I was in high school with my friends, but just don't remember numbers nowadays.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 I couldn't call them. And so they're at home just suffering because I can't call them.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I was like, man, I can do better than that, you know. So finally,

Speaker 3 I got a hold of my ex-wife

Speaker 3 and then said, hey, from another, somebody else's phone, I think via like Facebook Messenger or something. I can't remember what it was, but it was like, hey, we'll figure this out.
And then

Speaker 3 I said, hey, I'm going to call, answer the phone. And my daughter answered the phone.
And she had already gone to her house waiting to hear something.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so there's always a concern in her voice. But

Speaker 3 I said, hey, I'm good.

Speaker 3 I'm fine. I'll call you when I get a chance.
And so I started

Speaker 3 asking for check-ins for the guys who were still at the scene. Like, hey, everybody okay?

Speaker 3 Read me in. We have other victims.

Speaker 3 What's going on? And they got retasked.

Speaker 3 That same chief of police came out and said, hey, y'all hold this crime scene and help us look for

Speaker 3 other clues. And I'm like, that's a no-no.
But they did it.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 they were back there and then they were just trying to figure things out. And they were there for a while.
Man. Yeah.
So it was chaotic, but you know, you find

Speaker 3 Chaotic situations,

Speaker 3 you find

Speaker 3 ways to control it inside that situation, right?

Speaker 3 And they did a good job at that.

Speaker 3 You know, there's been a lot of rumors going around about there was no autopsy, none of that. Was there an autopsy? There was.
And I can speak to that.

Speaker 3 Personally, I can speak to that.

Speaker 3 The one, for those people saying that, do a FOIA.

Speaker 3 Do a FOIA to the medical examiner's office to Utah County. Get off your lazy ass and do it for you.
They may not give you the

Speaker 3 autopsy information right now, but they'll certainly tell you, yeah, there's an autopsy. That's the first one.

Speaker 3 The second one was

Speaker 3 the OR doc. Well, your question earlier about a pulse.
We'll get back to that.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 they ended up working him in the room. And they ended up taking him to the OR because they got a pulse.
They did get a pulse? They did get a pulse. But

Speaker 3 Charlie was a healthy man.

Speaker 3 He was very cognizant of his health, and he was a strong guy.

Speaker 3 They've had a pulse.

Speaker 3 Hold on. How long had it been since the shot to the hospital? I have no idea.
But you can be. I mean, that is a jugular shot.
You can be dead.

Speaker 3 A central nervous system. You got a strong heart, right? And that's what the OR doc told me.
Okay. He said that's what it was and so holy shit yeah and so I have no way of

Speaker 3 I'm not a doctor I just know what he told me you know and so

Speaker 3 we go to that and and and I'm sorry what was your question again

Speaker 3 we were talking about the autopsy oh the autopsy and so

Speaker 3 once they came down and said he didn't make it

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 he talked about, he said, if he had been shot in the OR, I wouldn't have been able to save him.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I mean, he's just kind of confirming things that I already knew.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 I don't know how long, well, I don't know what the timeline was, but

Speaker 3 I want to say, I can't remember who it was, but

Speaker 3 I knew, I was like, we're not going to turn this into some JFK.

Speaker 3 And I specifically asked one of the doctors, I don't know, I remember what she looked like,

Speaker 3 dark skinned,

Speaker 3 like dark hair, probably 35, 40 years old. I said, how long until we can get an autopsy? And I remember her saying a day, a day and a half.
And I was like, oh.

Speaker 3 And so, I mean, she's the boss of that. That's just information.
And so

Speaker 3 I remember,

Speaker 3 I was like, man, that's a long time.

Speaker 3 We need to get this autopsy done and done right so that there's not some conspiracy.

Speaker 3 I mean, you're starting to think forward to that. And so I remember I was standing next to the chief of staff and the vice president called.

Speaker 3 And the vice president asked him, what do you need?

Speaker 3 And then he looked at me and said, what do we need? And I said, we need an autopsy now.

Speaker 3 So for these people that are saying there wasn't one done

Speaker 3 go away

Speaker 3 It was done

Speaker 3 It was done. Do it for you

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 get the report when it comes out. It was done.

Speaker 3 It was done

Speaker 3 Yeah, and in in the the

Speaker 3 The OR doc released statements regarding, and there has been statements regarding the bullet and the travel.

Speaker 3 Oh, there should have been a blowout. And I was like, there wasn't, there wasn't an exit wound.

Speaker 3 There wasn't one.

Speaker 3 I was checking for that in the ride.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 people are like,

Speaker 3 it's completely impossible. And I was like, man, I've seen bullets do weirder things on people.

Speaker 3 And so all I know is what I saw.

Speaker 3 There wasn't an exit wound.

Speaker 3 And so I know there was an autopsy done. One, because

Speaker 3 we requested it. They were there.

Speaker 3 And the second one was

Speaker 3 the local SO, and I believe it was the state police,

Speaker 3 they did the body transfer that night

Speaker 3 through the

Speaker 3 either Emmy's office or funeral home to the Emmy that night. and took them there.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 yeah, for them to say that

Speaker 3 somebody broke the rules or turning point didn't follow the rules, that's lies. It's conjecture and it's lies.
It's all that's people is when people look at themselves. Yeah, it happened.

Speaker 3 Do you think that the entry wound looked like an exit wound? No, it was an entry wound. Why do you say that?

Speaker 3 So, one, there wasn't an exit wound because I remember rolling his head over and cleaning it so I could see if there was an exit wound.

Speaker 3 And then I was

Speaker 3 having to open the wound up some to get more and packing.

Speaker 3 If you've ever done an exit wound, it's not that hard. It's a lot bigger.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 you can feel it when you're you you you know the rule of kind of thumb on that one is you don't want to make it bigger but you got to get keep packing it in there. And

Speaker 3 so, yeah,

Speaker 3 I've heard and seen them all. Like

Speaker 3 there was a guy that said, you know, that the mic blew up and it was a bomb. Yeah,

Speaker 3 I was going to wait. Yeah,

Speaker 3 there is a guy online that is saying that

Speaker 3 the microphone may have had some type of explosive projectile. inside of it.
So it wrapped around the neck and created a hole? That's the thing that

Speaker 3 I just couldn't wrap my head around either is the accuracy that would have to take place from an explosion to actually get you in the neck. But then other people are saying that there was maybe

Speaker 3 that maybe the explosion killed him. And in fact, there's actually some

Speaker 3 camera footage that somebody has done some type of assessment on. But I mean, you cut his shirt off.
Right. Did you see any burn marks or

Speaker 3 any

Speaker 3 indication of any type of explosion? Back it up even further to that. You've been around explosives and shape explosives and stuff like that.
It's like, what do you have when you have that?

Speaker 3 They had that down to like frames, right?

Speaker 3 Where was the flash?

Speaker 3 If that was an explosion, where was the flash? You have oxygen exchange to create the explosion. Where was the flash?

Speaker 3 Where was the char?

Speaker 3 It didn't exist.

Speaker 3 Do you know

Speaker 3 if

Speaker 3 his equipment is assessed before it's put on? Yeah, it's actually held up there.

Speaker 3 That company that is a contract, subcontracting company for him, they hold that all up there because, you know, and they're around it, almost guarding it because people will steal it.

Speaker 3 And so, and it's inside the non-permeable zone. Okay.
So nobody has access to it. It's set up in there.
Even the boxes are kept in there.

Speaker 3 And so it's inside that. And so it's on them.
And then you can see

Speaker 3 they walk up and actually pin it on him. So it's it, it, that system is integratized also.

Speaker 3 And again, it's a reach. Go all the way back to where's the explosion?

Speaker 3 You got frame by frame.

Speaker 3 I'm, you know, when that theory came out, I mean, I, I would,

Speaker 3 I mean, I don't think it's, I don't think it's necessarily out of the question. I mean, we know about the pagers.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 You know, but, you know, I mean, the way way I looked at it was he was wearing a, a, a loose-fitting t-shirt that had a, I believe, the road mic with the magnet, you know, strapped onto his shirt.

Speaker 3 On the other side. Yeah.
From the he's moving around.

Speaker 3 And so that, you know, that microphone, if it was a projectile, it would have had to have been pointed at the exact same spot, which would have been impossible to do with a loose shirt. Right.

Speaker 3 You know, and so, and then the,

Speaker 3 the, I mean, the, there would have been an entry entry wound. It wouldn't have gone to the other side of the neck, you know, but

Speaker 3 then, you know, there was a, oh, well, it was a trigger man,

Speaker 3 you know, with a device to initiate the blast.

Speaker 3 But still, though, I mean, to have him moving around like this in his shirt,

Speaker 3 his loose shirt to have a piece of weight while he's moving around. I mean,

Speaker 3 you just, you could not

Speaker 3 probability. It would be a coincidence for it to actually happen the way that it did.

Speaker 3 It would be a coincidence. It would not be,

Speaker 3 I don't think he could chalk that up to skill.

Speaker 3 Unless the explosion is what killed him. But what you're saying,

Speaker 3 no flash, no blast. No char.
No char, no burn marks, no, no, no, no, no. That's a real time C.
If you cut the shirt off, you would have seen it. That's a real-time C, too.

Speaker 3 You know, you've seen explosions. I've seen a lot of explosions.
And so you have those attributions. Where's the attribution to the explosion inside those frames that doesn't exist? It doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 Don't try to make something into nothing.

Speaker 3 And so I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at things by all means.

Speaker 3 We should. I mean, we look at people and press and

Speaker 3 history of the United States, how valuable they've been.

Speaker 3 I applaud these guys that are out there humping and working to want to have the truth. But don't say you're searching for the truth when you're lying to get it.

Speaker 3 And that's what's happening. Because you're not searching for the truth, you're searching for clicks.
I think that the people posting these,

Speaker 3 I don't know. You know, I mean, I have mixed feelings.
I think some people are legitimately just trying to figure it out.

Speaker 3 I think that there are other people that are very obviously making a living off of sensationalizing this.

Speaker 3 But,

Speaker 3 but, you know, I mean,

Speaker 3 I think we live in a time where people

Speaker 3 don't, including myself, don't know where to find the truth. They don't know who to believe.
They are starting not to even believe their own eyes. And do you blame them? No, I don't.
Not at all.

Speaker 3 Me neither. I mean, I don't.
You look. You have zero faith in any of these institutions.
You think about this.

Speaker 3 There's a guy out there, and he has a company called Paramount Tactical, and his name's Gary.

Speaker 3 Gary took an ass whipping online because he went out there and said, and he did exactly what we're talking about right now. And people whipped his ass for telling the truth

Speaker 3 because he fucked the system.

Speaker 3 He said, no, look at this. And he broke it down from a professional standpoint because he has a background in it and a probability standpoint.

Speaker 3 And man, and I didn't talk to him, and he was like 95% right, even on the medical stuff. And it's like, but then he took.
an ass whipping online for it and I sat and watched it from afar.

Speaker 3 And it's like, so

Speaker 3 people get chastised for telling the truth. And then you've got, like you said, who do you believe? I mean, our media, they big, big polled.
They polled our people in the United States.

Speaker 3 And how many of you believe the media? And it's said 70% of them don't believe a word that comes out of the media's mouth. And I'm like, well, let's look at this.

Speaker 3 If a baker makes bread every day and 70% of his product tastes like crap, how long is he going to be in business? And then why do we keep letting these people be in business?

Speaker 3 And then, so that's the big media. You think that's worse online?

Speaker 3 And then who's to blame? The idiot that's lying

Speaker 3 or the big Facebooks, Instagrams, and exes that are making money off the online. And then they're monetizing the lie too.

Speaker 3 It's kind of like back in the day, you had the National Enquirer that made money offline. They sold the little cheap papers.
All these guys are.

Speaker 3 And these things are our version of National Enquirer, and they're monetizing that lie.

Speaker 3 But that's like, man, guys, you're losing the value of how important that is.

Speaker 3 You could be the Watergate guy that breaks the truth,

Speaker 3 but you're taking that away from people.

Speaker 3 It's like, be the one that tells the truth.

Speaker 3 Be the paramount tactical guy that's willing to take a whipping to tell the truth.

Speaker 3 I think,

Speaker 3 you know, I've talked about this a lot recently, but, you know, I think you have to be willing to poke holes in your own story. You can poke holes in everybody else's story, and that's fine.

Speaker 3 But you also have to be willing to poke holes in your own story. Great way to put it.
You know,

Speaker 3 you should be poking holes in your own story. If you are really a truth seeker, you should be poking holes in your own story along with everybody else's.

Speaker 3 But where's the oversight to do that?

Speaker 3 It's gone.

Speaker 3 Put a couple guys in the Wayback Machine and you make it down quick. That's true.
That's true.

Speaker 3 You know, you were

Speaker 3 something that I forgot to bring up with the

Speaker 3 hand-in-arm signal type stuff is that it looked, you know, there was a lot of chatter on the internet that you

Speaker 3 took,

Speaker 3 I believe it was a female that handed you some something.

Speaker 3 Handed me something? On camera.

Speaker 3 I believe it was you.

Speaker 3 Did anybody hand you anything? No, no.

Speaker 3 The only thing that I did, I remember before Charlie was shot in my area, I saw a little American flag on the ground and people were just walking around it like it was nothing.

Speaker 3 And I just walked over and picked it up and put it in my pocket.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that's the only thing that,

Speaker 3 you know, nothing. There was some stuff about the guys that

Speaker 3 said that, and the FBI called on that, like, hey, I forget which one. You can see one of them do a hand motion to another.
Did you hand something off? And they were like, no, there wasn't a handoff.

Speaker 3 There wasn't a key exchange.

Speaker 3 Gibby reached back here at one point and like adjusted his radio because when he jumped over the table, you know, it partially came loose or something.

Speaker 3 And I asked all the guys, did you guys exchange anything? And they're like, no. And then you can break down the video.
Break it down to the point where

Speaker 3 you're saying that you saw their hands. What got exchanged?

Speaker 3 There's nothing that got exchanged. Nothing.
Is there a

Speaker 3 do we have that footage, Jeremy? Could you pull that up real quick? Here it is. That's Chrissy.

Speaker 3 Those are mints.

Speaker 3 That's that's she works there. She works there.
Those are mints.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah, put them in my pocket.

Speaker 3 She walks around and hands. So she hands out, she's an angel.

Speaker 3 She takes care of us. She makes sure that we're hydrated.
She buys the

Speaker 3 stuff to put in the sodium. Electrolytes.
Electrolytes to put in the drinks. She walks around, gives us mints checks on us.
Her husband, Angel, does the same thing. And so, yeah, that's who that is.

Speaker 3 Yeah, not uncommon. Yeah.

Speaker 3 There was a

Speaker 3 man on the team who,

Speaker 3 after he was shot, I believe he was on the security team runs towards the vehicles

Speaker 3 hangs out outside the vehicles and takes I believe it was a TikTok selfie video do you know who this is

Speaker 3 can you pull this up Jeremy is it the one where you said Charlie just got shot yeah yeah he's with the audio visual team

Speaker 3 yeah it's a company that they contract

Speaker 3 to

Speaker 3 shoot the footage. It's also the one, he's the guy that went up and there he is right here.
Yep, yep. They just shot Charlie.
They just shot Charlie.

Speaker 3 They just shot Charlie.

Speaker 3 They just shot Charlie.

Speaker 3 I couldn't tell you. Yeah, he's the one that, if you see him, he's the one that's running the cameras.
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
He's the audio-visual team guy that's running the cameras.

Speaker 3 He's also the one that they said that he was hiding footage or whatever that he turned over all that footage to the FBI.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 he did. So

Speaker 3 this is also the guy that,

Speaker 3 or was that a security guy? If you look after the event, somebody goes to the camera that was behind Charlie, pulls the camera down. Same guy.
Looks like he pulls the SD card out. Same guy.

Speaker 3 And that footage is in the hands of the FBI. Correct.
It wasn't deleted, wasn't erased.

Speaker 3 He actually works for the company called VI,

Speaker 3 and they do, they're a contract AV video people. And so he's not a security guy.
He works for

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 3 VI, the video company. Okay.
Yeah. And so

Speaker 3 I don't understand.

Speaker 3 And it's not for me to try to understand

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 part.

Speaker 3 Like the getting on the phone or that. I don't understand that.
And you see that a lot nowadays.

Speaker 3 Tragic things things happen yeah shootouts and people pull their phones out instead of running and and so I don't understand that

Speaker 3 that's for him to explain not me I know he doesn't work for us

Speaker 3 but I also know from seeing some of the stuff that

Speaker 3 he's the same guy that took down the cameras and people are like what's going on here

Speaker 3 you know and I'm like well that's a legitimate ask that's a legitimate I think that too I do think that's that's a legitimate ask

Speaker 3 and where did that go and he was interviewed and um

Speaker 3 asked an answer and fbi and that was all turned over because i asked that question

Speaker 3 these are the these are the questions that are running rampant on the internet by the way so here's i'm just gonna do no no quick fire here did you see any signs of internal leaks or betrayals within tp usa or secure or the security team that could have facilitated the

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 I don't and here's my deal. That's our job, right? And so if they're if they have some stuff going on inside corporate headquarters,

Speaker 3 that would be unknown to us anyway. And then we're the contractor,

Speaker 3 security contractor, which is our team.

Speaker 3 And then so that direction comes from Dan, and then it comes to us. And nothing.
Nothing that would make me believe that, hey, something's afoot here.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 sometimes I wish, no, not wish, it's like, hey, if that was happened, that would be an easier attribution.

Speaker 3 But I would say this, hey, if you're going to make that claim, you better be able to back it up with the truth.

Speaker 3 Because we're talking about allegations that you're making that people are conspiracy or part of a murder.

Speaker 3 We're not talking about cheating in a video game or a hand of cards.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 if somebody were to say one of my guys

Speaker 3 or an employee, hey, you were part of this murder and you helped conspire, then I would say, I need you to tell me why you said that right now. A definitive why not now.
Not, it's a possibility. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And if you do, let me hear it. But it better be the truth.
And if it's not,

Speaker 3 there's consequence. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so, and

Speaker 3 that's why there's punishment for that stuff like that. Well, do I have faith in the system?

Speaker 3 I've seen a lot of guilty people walk free because they had money, right?

Speaker 3 And so I know the system is broken. But you've been around the world.

Speaker 3 Man.

Speaker 3 Every time I come home from someplace bad,

Speaker 3 I'm like, dang, we got it good. Yeah.
yeah and so no I didn't see anything to make it lead that

Speaker 3 that came from the inside okay

Speaker 3 why do you believe that the security footage has not been released publicly

Speaker 3 well

Speaker 3 I mean obviously FBI is in control of the and I'm I'm I'm I'm with them on that

Speaker 3 you are absolutely

Speaker 3 absolutely I'm with them on that. Man,

Speaker 3 that video footage or really good video footage is the truth

Speaker 3 or as close as we have.

Speaker 3 And so they came back with that gag order

Speaker 3 to the counsel

Speaker 3 so they can information share because the judge said there's a volume of evidence, right? A volumis, I think is what he said.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, okay, because we want to protect his right to a fair trial and we don't want to taint a potential jewelry.

Speaker 3 Okay,

Speaker 3 I get that, but if,

Speaker 3 is there not a balance to that?

Speaker 3 It's like, I'm not asking you to produce the footage, but maybe give us something that we investigated this claim and then we found this and make them put their name on that. I'm with them on that.

Speaker 3 Give us some information. It's like you go to public information officer school to be a cop and they tell you, hey, don't go out there and go, this happened.
We'll let you know when we figure it out.

Speaker 3 Because then you're just like, well, are you capable?

Speaker 3 Do you know what you're doing? Are you hiding something from us?

Speaker 3 So what do you do? You go out there, even if you can't release the details of it, you go, hey, this happened. We heard this.

Speaker 3 This is attribution that makes us lead to believe that it was a directed crime and not a random crime. And so what you're doing is you're letting people, okay, this is starting to make sense.

Speaker 3 Give us something. Yeah.
Give us something.

Speaker 3 I mean, this just comes from

Speaker 3 institutions hiding

Speaker 3 things.

Speaker 3 And has it happened?

Speaker 3 I mean, you know, maybe

Speaker 3 had they, I don't know, released the Epstein files, maybe there would be a little bit of trust in the institution. Brother, unfortunately, I could go on for

Speaker 3 a long time about that.

Speaker 3 It needs to be released. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Charlie wanted it released. That's not my opinion.
Yeah. Watch the videos.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Release them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That wasn't my point, wasn't, you know, I mean, I want them to release them too. My point wasn't getting into it.
I'm just saying, like,

Speaker 3 this is the shit that causes

Speaker 3 distrust in the institutions. Up and down.
And it gets worse. And it gets worse and it gets worse.

Speaker 3 And if you want to rebuild the fucking trust in the institutions, then you open up transparency and you stop fucking hiding shit from the American people. 100%.
That's how the fuck you do it.

Speaker 3 This isn't rocket science. This isn't fucking brain surgery.
This is just...

Speaker 3 And here's my response. Transparency.
That's it.

Speaker 3 I've got a team here that are done.

Speaker 3 and if you had opened that up, and if you had opened that up at least a little bit, six, eight, nine weeks ago, these guys wouldn't have been suffered. We've been doxxed.

Speaker 3 Our credit cards have been stolen. Our children's and parents' names have been released online, wedding plans, home addresses, phone numbers.

Speaker 3 It's like,

Speaker 3 throw us a bone. Yeah.
Don't let us sit out here and suffer for you when all you got to do is produce something to quench the thirst of these people. And you're right.

Speaker 3 You're creating distrust. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And you're hiding behind, well, we have to make sure and ensure that we don't taint a jury for this guy.

Speaker 3 And I have questions about that too. And so I have questions about that, and we talked about that earlier.

Speaker 3 Where's his call logs?

Speaker 3 His phone hits. Who'd he talk to? two days, four days, eight days beforehand.

Speaker 3 Why do you think that they tore up and paved over the crime scene

Speaker 3 so quickly? I have been asked that at least 10 times.

Speaker 3 And I said, I don't understand the exigency of why they did that. And here's my question to that.
March your ass up to the school. Have you marched your ass up to the school?

Speaker 3 Or will you march your ass up to that school tomorrow and file a FOIA and say, hey, you're a public institution.

Speaker 3 I want the request and the plans that were made to tear that up and when those requests and plans happen.

Speaker 3 Because that didn't,

Speaker 3 you're not going to request that or you shouldn't request that overnight and have that done. That had to probably go through a budget request, had to be approved.

Speaker 3 There should be a timeline and paperwork for that. You should be able to get that through FOIA.

Speaker 3 And so do it.

Speaker 3 Make them tell us why.

Speaker 3 that they tore that up before it was even cold.

Speaker 3 I want to know.

Speaker 3 Because it came back on us that we had some trapdoor and you're covering up the trapdoor and we had a guy hiding in there.

Speaker 3 Okay, that's actually my next question. I didn't hear about there was somebody hiding in the trapdoor.
The gun was hiding or something. I heard there was a trapdoor or something.

Speaker 3 Was there a trapdoor in a tunnel system? No. There was not.
No.

Speaker 3 So, school, why'd you tear it up?

Speaker 3 Why did you tear it up? What was the exigency to tear up something that still people

Speaker 3 would?

Speaker 3 Did you not think that through? Like, hey, this might, we might want to put a hold on that. This might

Speaker 3 induce questions to us.

Speaker 3 And it didn't. Nobody went back and asked questions to the school or said, Hey, well, let's do a FOIA and do some back-digging on that.
That's not protected under this evidentiary gag order.

Speaker 3 No, let's just blame the security team because that's the easy way.

Speaker 3 Go do the FOIA.

Speaker 3 You know, I mean,

Speaker 3 back to the exit wound thing. You know, I mean, because we're talking about the tearing up of the crime scene and everybody's wanting them to find the bullet.

Speaker 3 I mean, if the bullet hit any bone at all, there is no bullet. It's just fragmentation.
Great point.

Speaker 3 And that was discussed already. And if there, yeah,

Speaker 3 there was no exit wound.

Speaker 3 In the autopsy, though, there should be, I mean, if there was no exit wound, then there should be fragmentation of the

Speaker 3 bullet would have fragmented into into into

Speaker 3 who knows how many pieces. The doctor,

Speaker 3 and again, this is not a non-disclosure violation, but the doctor told us, came out there and told us. And then

Speaker 3 they also told chief of staff. So the bullet came in and hit the vertebra.

Speaker 3 So it came in.

Speaker 3 and then

Speaker 3 tore up everything in the wound cavity, hit the vertebra, crushed it, shattered it, turned, crushed the second one, turned, kept going down all the way. I think they said C6.
Holy shit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's like, why not put that info out?

Speaker 3 Why not put it out? And then

Speaker 3 do me a favor. Don't make me do it.
It's not my job.

Speaker 3 And so then it got to here, and you're exactly right. And then hit, I think, six and then fragged.

Speaker 3 And so, explanation: 101.

Speaker 3 What are you hiding?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's like I'm sitting back here when people are saying we bombed him, or there's a wound.

Speaker 3 I'm like, hey, somebody would, from an official capacity, would just release that, and I don't see how that could jeopardize a fair trial for a guy.

Speaker 3 And/or somebody called the doctor,

Speaker 3 somebody just call him.

Speaker 3 This guy, George Zen.

Speaker 3 Are you familiar with this guy? Is he the one that said

Speaker 3 is the performance immediately after the shooting? I believe he was saying that he had the shooter. He's also a witness to 9-11, called to the bomb threat in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 3 Marathon. I mean, he seems to show up at a lot of

Speaker 3 historic

Speaker 3 child porn after that.

Speaker 3 And so that was a weird deal because

Speaker 3 that came to us at the hospital. Hey, they have somebody in custody.
And I'm like, awesome.

Speaker 3 And then our guys

Speaker 3 helped.

Speaker 3 hold that perimeter area while they were arresting him. And I want to say they held on to some gear or something.

Speaker 3 I'd have to double check with them. But they were there assisting the police for that because they're still in there holding the crime scene.
Yeah. And so how did this guy get there?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 they did the search warrant on his house and they released it. It's like, hey, dump his phone and release that too.

Speaker 3 Dump the tower information and release that too.

Speaker 3 I want to see who he was talking to two, three, four, five days beforehand. I want to see what towers hit.
Yeah, I want to see that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I want to know who is this guy and why is he around

Speaker 3 all these things. All these things.

Speaker 3 What questions do you have? You know,

Speaker 3 you had some good questions about Robinson. Yeah,

Speaker 3 I want to know. I want to know who this kid is.
I don't want to know that he was a had a

Speaker 3 something that feeds a narrative of hate and division, that he was

Speaker 3 his boyfriend was trans or whatever and the and that they had text back and forth.

Speaker 3 I want to know it's like, all right, where did he work?

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 who were his coworkers and did they interview his coworkers? And then I want to see his phone logs and the towers that had hit. I want to interview his friends and did he have any help.

Speaker 3 They said, oh, well, we have DNA on the rifle. And I want all that information.

Speaker 3 That's a good tie, right? Now,

Speaker 3 from a judicial standpoint, I can understand why

Speaker 3 they're saying, yeah, we don't want to put all this information out because the judge said it may tain a potential jury because they're going to seek the death penalty.

Speaker 3 And I'm like,

Speaker 3 from a book standpoint, I understand that.

Speaker 3 But you got a lot of people out there wondering, hey, did this guy do it by himself? And then you throw my wonder on there. It's like, wow, so he just

Speaker 3 the rooftop was clear. And then he jumped up on it, acquired a shooting position, took the shot.

Speaker 3 That shooting position was a loophole. If he had been five meters this way or whatever, this way it wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 can we go through his phone or his computer and find a Google Earth overhead that he was looking at it days, weeks, months before? Did he access that before?

Speaker 3 Because obviously it's a problem because that's how we came upon the information that it's easily accessed and how we gave it to the chief to say, hey, chief, you got this right. I got you covered.

Speaker 3 So that's information we need to know. I want to know about this kid.
I want to know if somebody helped him. Is he a Patsy? Is he,

Speaker 3 was there a group of people? What's a Patsy?

Speaker 3 Is he taking the blame for other people?

Speaker 3 Or is he,

Speaker 3 is, is, is he part,

Speaker 3 is he a lone wolf?

Speaker 3 But then we all thought Timothy McVay was a lone wolf too, right?

Speaker 3 And then we come to find out, nah, people knew about it. He had assistance.

Speaker 3 Even if it was assistance of we knew you were going to do something and then we didn't say something.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, I have questions to him. I have questions, and this is horrible because I'm a father.
I have questions to his father.

Speaker 3 Aren't they saying that he took the rifle apart with a flathead screwdriver? That's a big one. I want to know.
And it's like,

Speaker 3 I know there's footage out there, and I don't know what to believe, and how it got down. It's like, all right, how did the, how did, I want to know that.

Speaker 3 How did the rifle get from the roof to where they found it? That's a big one.

Speaker 3 How did the rifle get from the shooting position

Speaker 3 all the way back across to where they found it? And then it was reassembled when they found it, correct? I don't think that it ever was disassembled because

Speaker 3 even

Speaker 3 an AR platform, think about it. You know what I mean? Pin, pin, break, pull, it's going to take a bit.

Speaker 3 That's a bolt gun.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm getting at. Right.
It's not going to happen. It probably should have been

Speaker 3 a little bit more descriptive about that.

Speaker 3 So I want to know about shooters. Yeah.
And, you know, and there's, there's, there's other things.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. I look at that and

Speaker 3 I look at all a lot of things that are going on at turning point, you know, and

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 I saw,

Speaker 3 man, I've seen people

Speaker 3 say that Erica was involved in it,

Speaker 3 his wife.

Speaker 3 I've done a lot of death notifications

Speaker 3 where I had to tell kids that their parents were dead or their parents that their kids were dead. And I know what pain looks and sounds like.

Speaker 3 I wake up screaming sometimes, thinking a kid's face.

Speaker 3 The words that came out of her mouth and how they came out

Speaker 3 when she walked in that room and saw him.

Speaker 3 You don't want to hear that.

Speaker 3 She's a victim.

Speaker 3 That's her husband. And now people without any proof are saying that she was a part of killing him.

Speaker 3 Come on, man.

Speaker 3 And then not having anything to substantiate it with.

Speaker 3 That's what makes me lose faith in people. And that we allow it.

Speaker 3 And that platforms allow it.

Speaker 3 It goes against everything that we are.

Speaker 3 And if we're going to allow that, what else are we going to allow?

Speaker 3 You hear that kind of pain come from somebody and

Speaker 3 see it.

Speaker 3 And I could only imagine the pain she's feeling now

Speaker 3 by having to hear that people say that she was a part of it.

Speaker 3 Those are lies.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 that so

Speaker 3 in and so we have that organization. It's it's

Speaker 3 got this huge power vacuum going on now,

Speaker 3 and I'm sure it's it's it's defecting it, it's affected me.

Speaker 3 And so that's that that's an organization with a lot of great people in it doing good things,

Speaker 3 you know.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 Where do we draw the line

Speaker 3 to people making allegations of bad behavior?

Speaker 3 It's a huge question. I mean, could you imagine?

Speaker 3 Think of this for a second.

Speaker 3 You've lost friends.

Speaker 3 And could you imagine somebody reporting that

Speaker 3 one of your friends, his wife, was responsible for their death,

Speaker 3 what would you want to do to him?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And it's like, man,

Speaker 3 this is, we're better than this. We should be better than this.

Speaker 3 And we're not.

Speaker 3 And people are bitching about the leaders we have. And I was like, hey, we get the leaders we deserve.

Speaker 3 That's a good point. And We don't deserve very much right now.

Speaker 3 On each side,

Speaker 3 on each side, both sides,

Speaker 3 we get the leaders we deserve.

Speaker 3 If we want to hold them accountable, we should hold ourselves accountable also.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Are there any other questions you have?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I just uh I mean, I appreciate you. You let me come on.
Or when I when I got that phone call, I was like,

Speaker 3 wow.

Speaker 3 I mean, I

Speaker 3 I've seen the people that have come here and

Speaker 3 Don Graves, he's he sat here, right?

Speaker 3 That's Eddie Penny,

Speaker 3 Ben Carson.

Speaker 3 Man, I don't deserve this.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 there's a lot of humility in this room, man. Should be.
I'm thankful for that.

Speaker 3 You deserve to be here, just like everybody else. Thank you.

Speaker 3 God bless you, brother. Thank you.
Thank you.

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