How Wall Street & the FBI Colluded to Destroy Trevor Milton After His Tech Threatened Big Oil

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In a lifetime of listening to stories about innocent people wrongly prosecuted, I have never heard anything

like what happened to Trevor Milton. the details are so shocking that I just want to start this by saying I'm really excited for people to hear exactly what happened to you because I think those of us who felt that you know this was the most just country in the world will have our preconceptions um adjusted you had a vehicle company tell us about the company what did it do what did you started it what was the product how did it work um yeah So Nikola, Nikola a company i built out of my basement and uh a quick pause there just for everybody by the way tucker's dinners are awesome i don't make them we came here you know last night had dinner with him first it was a it was such an incredible time to just talk about anything so thanks for having us for dinner i dinner.
And it allowed me to really get to know

you too. So thanks.
That was really cool. Thank you.
Yeah. So Nikola.
Nikola was a company I built out of my basement. So a true entrepreneur story.
Literally right out of my basement in my house in Salt Lake City is where we started it. We grew it to the point where we are bursting at our seams inside of in in our basement.
And our whole goal was, is to build a, you know, a clean emission truck. And it kind of morphed through the time.
Like we started off as like a natural gas truck and then we moved it to a, to a hydrogen zero emission truck. When you say truck, like pickup truck, a big semi truck.
Okay. So the trucks that haul goods across the country.
Yeah, exactly. The ones you see on the freeways hauling 80,000 pounds.
That was our, because it was the third, I think it was around the third largest polluting industry in America. So the whole point was just to reduce the amount of the emissions and noise.
And it was also the fact that electric powertrains are so efficient. I just loved them.
I grew up on locomotives. My dad managed the railroad when I was a kid.
So I grew up on locomotives and the whole idea was to build a locomotive semi-truck. That was like my electric- People may not know that many locomotives are electric.
They all are. Their entire powertrain's electric.
They have a diesel generator that powers the electric motors, but for the torque and the power, you have to have the electric motors. We did a video last summer on the Cybertruck, and we hauled 8,000 pounds of dirt in the thing.
And if you ever hauled anything in a truck, you know, you can feel the engine strain when you're an electric vehicle. Yeah.
And I'm pretty opposed to electric vehicles generally, but for hauling stuff, it's beyond. The difference is just crazy.
One of the best parts is the ability to recapture all the energy. That's what I love the most about electric powertrains is that when you go to hit your brakes, rather than wearing brake pads down, what happens is those motors go into reverse and they're able to absorb all that.
They become a generator and they start outputting. So say the Cybertruck's like 400, I don't know if it's a 400 or 800 volt platform.
I think it's 400 volt. But anyways, what happens is instead of using 400 volts, now you're charging 400 volts into your batteries.
And so with big semi trucks, it makes a huge difference. So I live a part of my life up in kind of the Utah, Wyoming area.
And there's a part of these paths that goes from Park City down to Salt Lake. Imagine if you have an 800 or an 80 000 pound load you're charging your battery all the way from the top of park city all the way to the bottom you're going to have a battery that's 20 30 charged more when you get to the bottom just from breaking just from exactly regeneration so you're you're not even breaking you never use your brakes and that's what's so cool about electric vehicle like really what it is the instant torque and the ability to recover all the lost energy.
And that's just something you can't get anywhere else except for that. I strongly agree.
Just as an engineering matter, it's incredible. So you build this company, it starts electric and then you go into hydrogen.
Can you give us the non-complicated oneminute explanation of what that means? What's a hydrogen motor? A hydrogen is the most abundant element in the atmosphere. It's the only energy that can never be depleted.
So the reason why I love hydrogen is that it comes from water. It comes from water.
You're able to split it. It's also in the atmosphere.
H2O. H2O hydrogen, exactly two parts.
Exactly. So how this works is the hydrogen is stored in, you separate it from the water, you store it.
And the hydrogen is then passed through a membrane, which creates electricity. That electricity is captured through these membranes and delivered to the batteries of the vehicle.
Now there's inefficiencies with hydrogen, but there's also inefficiencies with electricity on the grid. So if you produce hydrogen on site, it can be as efficient or better efficiency than electricity itself.
So when a lot of people plug in their cars, they're like, oh, my, you know, they talk about the efficiency of an electric vehicle, like 97% or 92%. Well, that's great, but it's actually not really that.
Let's talk about where was that power generated from? Exactly. It was generated from a solar farm, okay, of 22% efficiency or less.
And then transmission lines that take you 800 miles to your home through transformers, you've lost another 20, 30% of efficiency over all that entire lifeline if you factor in how much loss actually happens on a grid and through transformers and transformers into your home and all this stuff and so realistically like if you look at that the numbers can actually be worse than hydrogen but people don't want to believe it they're like oh my car is 90 92 percent or 97 percent efficient once you. Once the electricity reaches your vehicle.
Once it reaches your vehicle. So with hydrogen, the point is that you're producing, hydrogen is so difficult to, say, transport.
It's not extremely difficult, but it's harder than electricity to transport. So what you do is you produce it on site, so you're saving all that efficiency, say from like hydroelectricity or whatever, right? But the whole point is, is that hydrogen can be used over and over and over again.
And you don't have to mine any mountains. You don't have to, you know, there's no other elements other than just water and electricity, that's it to produce hydrogen.
So there's good and bad about hydrogen. It does not fix every application.
And I've always told people, like I think think that electric vehicles on a car level make much more sense, but hydrogen on a heavy duty level makes more sense. So hydrogen for semi-trucks, for trains, for the marine industry, the maritime industry, for ships, for aviation, that's where hydrogen makes all the- How expensive is it? It's not that expensive, actually.
To produce it, we call we call it you move the decimals so let's say that your cost of energy is two cents a kilowatt hour hour okay so let's just say you're two cents a kilowatt your hydrogen is two dollars a kilogram so it's actually really cheap and a kilogram is actually about a kilogram on a on a uh is equivalent to, if you were to think about like a gallon of diesel, it's very similar, kind of on energy level. Like if how far a vehicle can go, that's kind of how we, there's a lot of factors into that.
So it's not an exact science, but the point is, is that to make it easy as a kilogram of, kilogram of hydrogen is going to get, is going to be very similar to like, you're going to cost compare it to a gallon of diesel. So just a couple of dumb questions.
I have a hydrogen powered truck. How do I fill it up? You can't right now.
And that's a problem. So that's what Nikola was all about was the chicken and the egg.
The idea around Nikola, the reason why it went parabolic was it was not just building hydrogen trucks. It was actually supplying the egg too.
So it's like a cell phone. Your cell phone is worthless without the tower so so there everyone's like oh you know hydrogen there's no there's no infrastructure it's stupid it's going to cost 100 billion to develop infrastructure well they spent you know hundreds of billions on cell phone towers who cares infrastructure is like you know it's it usually sticks around for 50 to 100 years over a trillion dollars on the iraq war there you go yeah.
Got a lot out of it. We didn't even get our airplanes back.
They left them over there. Yeah.
It's now controlled by Iran. So yeah, big win.
Okay. So you were in the business, not just to building the trucks, but of building the infrastructure to fuel the trucks? It was.
That was the whole reason of Nikola. It was really an energy play.

The point was,

is to displace the oil companies.

That was my goal and my dream was to,

it was to either partner with

or displace the oil companies entirely.

And look,

I have no problem with diesel.

I think it's one of the greatest things

America's ever found was diesel.

It powers everything.

It powers,

I mean,

you have diesel,

literally you have like,

you have this, it touches your life probably a hundred times a day i mean even a piece of plastic has you know has petroleum in it right there's everything about diesel was it's the most efficient way of moving american goods for over 100 years you know like it's just the greatest thing america's ever seen but there's also ways you can have both in this world. And that was my, my goal was, is to, was to become a, or like essentially as powerful or as big as like an oil company, but not doing oil, but doing hydrogen.
And that was my goal. That was really the idea was to, is to eliminate the emissions on the road, become an, uh, an energy conglomerate and provide provide energy that's a residual income every month in your life.
And that's what I, that was what- Is hydrogen produced at plants? They do. I want to produce hydrogen to power a fleet of trucks.
Where do I produce it? Yeah, you would have a plant that you would build and it would be done. There's two different ways of doing it through a proton exchange membrane.
They call them PEMs or through electrolysis. So those are the two main methods.
And even like Chevron right now produces hydrogen, but it's like $20 a kilogram. Well, that equates to $20 a gallon of diesel.
So you'll never compete. The point of hydrogen is, is what you have to do is build it on size.
So very similar to data centers. We were talking about data centers last night.
The amount of energy that they're consuming for AI. And so what do they do? They go build them on right next to the, what do they do? They build them next to the nuclear plant now.
No, of course. So it's the same thing with hydrogen.
The only, like we had the nuclear plant in Arizona was quoting us energy under two cents a kilowatt hour at the time. So they can make it for a penny and a quarter, a nuclear plant can.
So what you're talking about is you're talking about if it's two cents a kilowatt hour, you're talking about, I'm sorry, two cents a kilowatt, you're essentially producing hydrogen at about $2 a kilogram. And at that point, you're half the cost of diesel.
It's game over. The entire world would, everything would go hydrogen.
And we were on the verge of that. And then that's when the forces that be came after us and decided to completely destroy us.
It was a, it was a most wild event. So it takes a lot of energy to produce hydrogen.
A ton. But it's okay because we have more energy than we know what to do with.
Realistically we do because for instance, the grid can only handle so much energy. And so if you look at California, California will actually pay you to take their energy at parts of the day because you have too much of it from solar.

Solar is fantastic in the West Coast and even in some other areas.

But the problem is, as the sun comes out, it loads the whole grid full of energy and then they have to start dumping it.

So one great thing about hydrogen is, is that you can buffer the grid.

You can say, send anything you want to the grid. Doesn't matter because any excess, we can produce hydrogen.
And you can suck out hundreds of megawatts of energy from the grid, producing hydrogen and storing it. And then you can store it liquid as well.
And then you can transport it from there. And that was the whole idea of hydrogen.
It's not a one size fits all, but it's a solution to the major problems we have in America. How dangerous is it to transport hydrogen? Not dangerous at all to transport it.
Most of the time, they'll transport it in liquid form, and that's the best way to transport it. And it's very inexpensive to liquefy.
It's about $0.50 a kilogram. So if you're $2 a kilogram and you can liquefy it for $0.50, now you're $2.50 a kilogram.
And you can move that anywhere that anywhere in America at eight to 16,000 kilograms at a time, just like an oil tanker is. And it's not more dangerous than an oil tanker.
I would say it's more dangerous, but it's nothing different than like transporting helium or any other gas like natural gas. Like you see, no one knows that natural gas is being transported everywhere all the time, and it's extremely volatile.
Hydrogen, the reason why hydrogen can be a little bit dangerous is that the molecule is so tiny. It's the smallest molecule out there.
So the fittings have to be designed perfectly. The lines have to be inspected all the time.
But one great thing about hydrogen is how light it is. So if you were to have an accident or something like that, it just goes straight into the atmosphere because of how light it is.
Unlike propane where it settles. Yes.
The real dangerous stuff is propane. That's like because it settles below the air and any sparkle.
I mean, everyone doesn't even know that. I mean, they have a propane tank next to almost everyone's house in a lot of rural areas in America.
Oh, yeah. That thing.
We do right here. Yeah.
Yeah. I had eight of them at my cabin.
So you have like eight 1,000 gallon propane tanks buried. Imagine if that went off, there'd be nothing left of like an acre lot or five acre lot.
I have a lot of propane tanks and I never think about it at all. So hydrogen's way safer than propane.
In fact, I always take my matches and light them off the propane tanks.

Do you?

No, just kidding.

Jeez.

No, but your point is a good one. I mean, people who live far from...

Anyone in rural America has a lot of propane around.

A lot.

Anything new scares people until they realize it's not dangerous.

So it's not directly connected to the hydrogen bomb.

It's not the same as the hydrogen bomb. No, philosophy is similar, but like a little bit different.
Just kidding. Okay.
So you build this company. How does it do? It does fantastic for a long, long time.
We took this thing. We developed our first prototype.
It was called the Nikola One. It was our very first prototype.
Truck. Truck.
Semi-truck.

We unveiled it in 2019.

Where'd you build it?

In Salt Lake City.

Wow.

At our facility.

And it's really cool.

You built the truck at the facility?

We did.

At the facility.

We have hundreds of photos of us assembling.

And it was all fabricated by our teams and people we hired to help us.

So the frame was ours.

The suspension was designed by our team and outside engineering partners partners but we own the ip on or co-owned it was just like it was really cool so like you think about a peterbilt or a kenworth truck yeah yeah yeah that all it's taken them decades to design their trucks we had a an initial design of our truck that we built so all the frame was ours the suspension how the cab everything it was a it was not a pile of crap but it was a first prototype it was like it was rugged i mean it didn't just take a peter built and throw your logo no no no it was entirely from ground up our truck it was beautiful but it was like it you know it wasn't ready for production it was a prototype and all the parts is where the world didn't know like the whole and i'm going to tell you later about like, you know, how the short sellers came after us and the government did. But what they don't know is that truck was actually real and it functioned.
And they sold this huge lie that this truck was fake, but it was really real. So let's go through that.
Like the suspension was real. The airlines, the air rides system was real.
The entire frame system was real. The cab was real.
The power steering was real. The batteries were real.
We had the first 800 volt battery on a semi truck that I knew of in the world. And we tested it.
We tested the battery, 800 volts. It worked, everything was fine.
So the e-axles were real. The case was real.
We had the rotors and staters and gears. Everything was real.
All this stuff was real in this truck and what's crazy is when you know later on we ended up doing a commercial and we're like oh yeah go ahead and use it for commercial no problem you know you see like the chevy camaro turning into bumblebee on the transformers it's like you don't think that gm's defrauding everyone because the camaro becomes bumblebee you're like it's a it's a it's a commercial or it's a uh or it's a um. Who cares? This is what it's used for.
I was like, yeah, go ahead and use it. Who cares? So they used our truck in a commercial and they rolled it down a hill.
All the parts worked on it. Could have powered itself if we wanted to.
We probably would have taken a month's worth of work to make sure it was safe enough to, maybe two months to make sure it was safe enough to drive on all on its own. But the truck function, it was real.
And this is the, this was the lie that destroyed my life. This was the moment that destroyed my life.
Because later on, the short sellers sold it to the government that this truck was fake and it never worked. And that message was so sexy that this truck was rolling down the hill that no one cared about the facts.
They cared about this headline, Nikola rolls a truck down a hill. And that's what ended up, that's what ended up, you know, allowing these people, all these evil people to destroy the company, destroy me, make hundreds of millions of dollars in profit.
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Shane Company, your friend and jeweler. The reason I wanted to talk to you and the reason I think your story is amazing and not just another, oh, I was unfairly prosecuted, which I think is a pretty common story in America's prisons, is because of the role of the short sellers.

And I think this is one of the most extraordinary things I've ever heard, ever.

And so I just want to ask you to explain it in a way that people can understand.

So you've made two references to a short seller.

What's a short seller?

So a short seller is a person or a fund that actively bets against you that your stock is going to collapse. So unlike a regular investor that buys shares and they hope that the stock goes up, short sellers buy shares and they force it down.
So it's like a, it should be, it should be completely illegal. It should be.
Well, it has been for most of the last hundred years from, I think, the Depression until right before the last financial crisis. There was something called the uptick rule, which prevented short sellers from selling when a stock was in decline.
I think that's correct. I don't know.
It's been heavily regulated. It's banned in a lot of countries.
It's so clearly immoral and bad for a country and for markets that I don't exactly know why we have it, but we've had it since 2007. But anyway, but you're saying that a short seller as distinct from an investor makes money on failure.
And not just failure, but forcing failure. So an investor invests based and then they hope it goes well.
They go out and they hope it goes well and they hope it does. Say you invest in Tesla or somebody else, whatever.
You're hoping that they come out and they deliver on their products, right? You hope that they do good and it goes up and you make money and everybody makes money. A short seller is different because they don't just hope it goes down.
They force it down. And this is where it gets really crazy in the story.
This is crazy. It's never been told before.
I've never gone through this. Explain how a short seller, this disreputable, evil, should-be-illegal brand of anti-investment, how they're working with the U.S.
government, the DOJ. How could that be? How does that work? This is where the Department of Justice has just gone so far off the rails.
And it was covered up for a long time. No one knew about it.
In my trial, this stuff got exposed. So you can, it's actually available.
It's not like someone doesn't have to take my word for it, but we can, it's easily available through the, anyone can ask for a FOIA on it. Anyone can look at all the materials that was submitted in my trial.
What was really crazy is that the short sellers were building a fake report on me and the company prior to us going public. And their entire goal was, okay, the SPAC is going to go crazy.
We went public via SPAC. It's a special acquisition company.
They knew it was going to go up. And what they wanted to do was then force it down.
And that's where they make their money. So what they were doing is they were working with the Department of Justice.
They were actually communicating with the Department of Justice prior to releasing the report, which to me is mind-boggling. What is a short-selling report? Short-selling report is normally a salacious and false report for the most part.
So what they'll do is they'll mix in 5% truth and 95% lies to just scare the market. Some companies, look, there are some bad ones and like everything, a short seller has gotten it right on a few companies, but majority of what they attack is all complete bull crap.
It's just their interpretation to make a company look bad. But a short selling report is like a magazine piece.
It's like what we used to call a hit piece against a company. Exactly.
Like this company is bad, fraudulent for these reasons. Yeah.
And they do research on you. They do.
And they do, they pay an enormous amount of money to employees. So they get inside information that a lot of time is slanted because they promise the employees money.
So they- Wait, what? Yeah. So if I go to your employees and pay them for incident information on your company and then invest in the company, I go to prison because that's called inside trading.
Yes. But if I go and pay your employees for bad information and bet against your company, that's legal? It's still inside trading.
Yes, it is. But the prosecutors look the other way.
We actually presented them. Wait, is that really real? It's real.
So look, they actually- Martha Stewart went to prison. Yes.
This is why I get so angry is we presented the Department of Justice, the evidence on Hindenburg's essentially insider trading. Tell us what Hindenburg is.
Hindenburg was a short seller group that attacked us, that attacked Nikola and me, primarily me, but Nikola. And it's run by? A guy named Nate Anderson, who is the head of Hindenburg Research.
And his entire goal was to burn a company to the ground. Take out an insurance policy, burn the company to the ground, call the cops on you, and then collect on the insurance policy.
So Nate Anderson, I just looked him up on the internet. I'd never heard of him.
This is not my world. But there's like nothing on the guy at all.
He was like 39 years old, no real track record as an investor. He was an ambulance driver in Israel for a while, not clearly graduated from college.
There's like no information on the guy. And all of a sudden he winds up as this like major player in the American economy running this short selling group called Hindenburg, which just disbanded pretty recently.
Just barely just disbanded completely. Okay.
Yeah, ran away. So Nate Anderson produces a report attacking you, a hit piece on you designed to drive your share price down because he's bet against your share price as a short seller.
Yeah, the weird part about this, this is so crazy. The short sellers, you like essentially commit this, I'm going to try to explain this easy to the public, but this is just get your blood boiling.
Without the Department of Justice involvement, the short would never work because your stock would, like they would just come out with some report and people would be like, whatever, that's not true the trucks are obviously real it turned out that nate anderson was communicating directly to the department of justice prior to releasing the report which means so what he was doing is he was telling the department of justice that there was this fraud that he was going to he was going to launch that he's launching this investigation he's going to launch it and he wanted to make sure that they had it in their hands and they were ready to look at it the second it hit. So what he does, he stokes the fire, gets them all angry at you, sells this big fraud, pays for it.
Were they looking, was DOJ looking at your company before? They were because of, what we found out was because of what Hindenburg was doing. So Hindenburg was feeding this.
So the Southern District of New York, the federal prosecutors in New York had, as far as you know, no intention of investigating or prosecuting you until they were approached by a short seller? That is our knowledge, yes. It's fucking crazy, man.
That's the craziest thing. That's insane.
So the audience doesn't know this. The feds showed up.
Sorry, I'm just like, I'm shocked. Yeah.
It gets so much worse too. But let me just say, just to put a finer point on this, in the United States, you're not supposed to be prosecuted so some guy can profit from your prosecution.
Is that justice? It's not our country anymore. We've lost it.
Look, it is so, if people, this is going to be fun today because I get to tell you, you know, tell us the entire thing. But what no one's ever heard, this is why I love coming on your platform because it's so big and we can really explain the truth.
The FBI, so Hindenburg started investigating us and filling the FBI with all these lies.

But just to be clear, you don't believe the Department of Justice had any plans to screw with you, investigate, indict, bring you to trial, anything, until they were approached by this group of short sellers who was like, hey, you should look into this Trevor Milton.

From what I know, that is 100% accurate. This is unbelievable.
So Nate gets the Department of Justice. Originally, he goes to the Eastern District, is what we hear.
He lands in the Eastern District of New York because he wanted New York. Because New York, you're done.
If you get indicted in New York, you're over. You get indicted in Arizona, Utah, you're going to get a fair jury.
In New York, it's over. It's a guaranteed stamp, a conviction, 90 plus percent conviction rate.
And the ones that get off are low level crimes they don't care about. So what happened was is the Eastern district researched it.
They sent the feds in Arizona out to our facility. They showed up at my chief engineer's home out of the blue.
I get a call from my chief engineer and he's like, Trevor, the FBI just showed up at my house. I'm like, for what? They said the truck was fake.
And I'm like, well, the truck's not fake. So, I mean, that's weird.
I'm like, did you take him down to the facility? Go show it to him. I don't care.
Have him call us. Have him call our attorneys.
And they asked, he's like, yeah, they questioned me for like 10 minutes. They're like, hey, is the truck real? We know it's fake.
And he's like, what are you talking about? It's real. Of course it's real.
The truck's freaking real. It's at the facility.
Why don't you come down? I'll show it to you. Feds wrapped up, essentially like made, you know, scared them.
And then they went back and they're like, yeah, nothing's wrong. The trucks are real.
So the feds originally, you know, they originally looked at and they said, nothing's wrong. So he didn't get the response he wanted.
They went back. They essentially declined anything.
They're like, yeah, the company's real. It's all like, I don't know what these guys are even saying that the company's fake.
This bullcrap. So then he moves from essentially the Eastern District to the Southern District.
Then they go essentially to different prosecutors, people they have better connections with. And next thing you know, the Southern District opens up an investigation.
So this is after the Eastern District already turned it down, looked at it and said, there's nothing wrong. So then the Southern District gets it and decides they want to take me down.
But this is all being shopped by a guy who's hoping to get rich from your failure. Exactly.
Before, by the way, before we go. Why is he not in jail? It's the question that I think that's the question that should be answered.
I just, I. But it gets worse.
It gets worse because. I just didn't know.
I'm sorry to keep repeating myself. I just didn't know that this happened.
Yeah. And it gets even worse because of what he does and how involved he is in making sure that the southern district creates an indictment so his report is worthless without an indictment or an investigation by the southern district so then what happens is is that he he creates you know he creates this big report and he shares it with the government and then he launches launches his short.
So he takes out a huge position that your stock's going to collapse. And from according to the court, we have some information how much money he made.
We don't have it all. We're going to get it through.
There's a big lawsuit going on right now and we'll find it all out. But we know that he made somewhere between 30 and $100 million off of this short.
Nate Anderson did. Hindenburg.
Nate Anderson. that's what we know that he made somewhere between 30 and a hundred million dollars off of this short nate anderson did hindenburg nate anderson that's what we know it was what we know he's somewhere between 30 and 100 million is what he made on this short from from creating this fake report getting the department of justice involved and then when he launched it what happens is then the next literally that day or the next day or whatever or whatever it was within 48 hours, the department of justice sends all their subpoenas to everybody, like our entire company, us, our attorneys, me, everyone, like scaring the shit out of everybody.
And as a publicly traded company, you have to disclose it. So what happens when you disclose an investigation by the department of justice? Your stock does what? And Nate Anderson and Hinderberg get rich.
It's a guaranteed, absolute guaranteed profit because without the Department of Justice, he makes no money with them. He makes hundreds, potentially hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Did you know that this could happen? No, I didn't even know it was happening, dude. I didn't know until way, way, way late, like almost probably two or three years later who was all involved in it.
Like it took the, the investigate,

like it took the,

the subpoena power and everything else of when I was getting,

when I got indicted to finally

get in there and find all this out and by then it was like too late to do anything about it

the company's gone company now is destroyed and the department of justice at fault 34 billion

dollars destroyed by the department of justice so nate anderson could make 100 million dollars

and and the other people he's involved with made who knows how much money so there's funds in

Thank you. destroyed by the Department of Justice.
So Nate Anderson could make $100 million. And the other people he's involved with made, who knows how much money.
So there's funds in Canada that were involved in this and we still don't know who they all were. That made massive, so what he did is he went out and told them to.
So the insider trading was prolific. Like you're not allowed to go tell people something that you have insider knowledge on and get them to trade on it.
He did this. And this is why he shut his entire, this is why I believe, this is why I believe he shut his entire firm down and ran.
Where is he now? No idea. I mean, he's obviously, we're in the middle of a lawsuit, but like no idea.
So short sellers, as far as I know, don't have to disclose. He does not specifically have to disclose who his investors are.
So there's a syndicate, presumably, because that's typically the way. I don't know this, but I'm just guessing that there's a syndicate behind him.
He has investors. Yep.
Correct? Yep. And they're all profiting from this with insider information.
And you know for a fact they paid members of your staff. So the government's chief witness was a guy who made $600,000 on the short, paid by Hindenburg, by the way, paid by Nate Anderson.
So the government's chief witness in my trial, my federal trial, was on the stand, made $600,000 by making sure I got convicted, and is set to make millions off of the so-called fraudulent whistleblower group.

This is the government's chief witness.

I mean, imagine like the guy on the stand.

Who was he?

This guy named Paul Lackey.

But what was his role?

Did he work for him?

And it's public because it was in the trial.

That's why I can say it.

Did he work for the company?

No, he had been to our facility

one time in his life.

He worked on the batteries.

He was an outside guy.

He worked on the batteries.

He'd been to our facility

one time in his life

and he was the government's chief witness. And he was paid by Hindenburg? $600,000 by Hindenburg.
He's admitted that on the stand. And he stood to make millions in the whistleblower groups.
Who knows how much money he made from the fake fraudulent whistleblower group. I'm going to say this one more time.
Are you positive that Hindenburg paid your employees for information about your company? They paid contractors and other people for it. Yes, that were inside of our company that had come in.
Yes, 100% for sure. And they used that information to trade? Yes.
If someone wants to see, go look at the trial transcript. It's public.
If you want to go see, go search for Paul Lackey. And he admits he made $600,000 from Hindenburg.
Hindenburg paid him $600,000, a portion of how much he would make if he agreed to come in and create a story. And they did this and they did it to other people.
There was other people that he promised money to too. There's probably a half a dozen people that I don't know the exact number.
We're going to find out in the lawsuit, but there was somewhere around a half a dozen people that Nate Anderson paid for information and gave them a portion of all the profits. And these are the guys that are part of this fake whistleblower group and that were part of testifying against me at trial.
So justice in the United States and all civilized countries is administered by the state on behalf of the population, the whole population. So when the state indicts somebody, the state makes the claim that indicting this person, convicting and imprisoning this person protects the public.
That's the point, right? That's the point of justice, to protect the society. The idea that a private investor could be driving a prosecution in order to benefit from it makes a mockery of the idea of justice.
It's not on behalf of the public or protecting the public. It's on behalf of a commercial interest to try to put you in prison in order to help someone get rich.
If Pam Bondi looked into this right now, Nate would probably be in prison for 30 years. This is how corrupt, and not just him, there's other short sellers, and it scares me because like my life- Lachman was a big short seller.
I mean, there are a bunch of short, there are a lot of prominent people who've done a lot of short sales and gone on television to talk down share prices in order to benefit from the decline in share prices. And I don't understand why none of those people is ever prosecuted.
And now I'm starting to understand that the system seems captive to those people. So you didn't, as you just said, you didn't know why this was happening for a couple of years.
In those couple of years, what did the government do to you? Oh my gosh, man. So the government, it's really interesting.
The government has it. What Americans don't know is the government has a playbook and it's been developed by

the CIA and other entities inside the government and it's passed down into the department of

justice.

They have a very clear playbook of how to guarantee a conviction and destroy someone's

life and break them.

So it's, it's, uh, it's like the profilers, but psychological profiling.

And what they do is they figure out how to do it.

And they have a very clear playbook and it's taught and very disseminated within these groups to how to do it. The first thing you do is you separate the person from all their friends and colleagues.
And that's the number one thing you have to do. You have to separate them.
You have to turn everybody against each other. That's number one.
So psychological warfare. So they come in and they threaten everybody differently individually.
They separate them. They don't care about the truth.
They do not give a crap about the truth. We actually showed them the truth about major things that they were going after me for.
And once they realized that they were wrong, they just pivoted to something else that didn't matter to indict me on. So I want to stop at this psychological warfare real quick.
And I want to tell everyone in the audience right now, in my indictment, there was never, not one time, they could not find not $1 missing ever, not $1 misappropriated ever, not one filing incorrect ever. There was no crime.
There was no fraud. There was no, there was nothing.
What did they hate me for? They came after me and indicted me specifically because of my tweets, my speech, how I explained the business plan. We were a pre-revenue company going public pre-revenue.
All of our filings disclosed that, that we were four years, two to four years out on revenue. And so I would speak about this business plan in present tense because why? Because all of our filings, which is what the government requires you to do, explain that we are two to four years out.
So I was like, hey, this is how we're doing this. Okay.
Well, I didn't realize that when you say this is how we're doing it, that somehow they could indict you because like, oh, well, you haven't done it yet. Well, yeah, but this is the process of what we're doing.
Like I've explained that and they didn't care. They just indict you on it.
They cut your words out. So it's speech.
I want America to know why this is important because I've had lot of people ask me, like, you know, Trevor, why did the government indict you?

And, you know, why did these guys take you down?

And later I'll get into that.

But the answer is the speech is what they indicted me for.

The answer is even more scary.

And we'll go into that later.

It's the ability to prosecute speech is what the Biden administration wanted, was the ability ability to prosecute free speech so I was the poster board for prosecuting free speech but we're gonna I'll get into that later and we'll actually really hit it hard but the the what they do is they they psychologically what they do is they come in they threaten everyone individually they split you up and so what they did is they scared everybody they threatened they actually told my we have an email from where they called Kirkland which was the attorney group Kirkland Alice. See you up.
And so what they did is they scared everybody. They threatened, they actually told my, we have an email from where they called Kirkland, which was the attorney group.
Kirkland Ellis, the law firm. The prosecutors called Kirkland and Kirkland called the company because they want to keep these communications from ever getting private.
This is how they do it. It's like a big sham.
It's called, you know, privileged communications. Normally it's good when you seek advice from your attorney, but the government uses it to circumvent the ability of disclosure so what they did is they called kirkland kirkland called the company and said we need two people two executives to testify against trevor or they're going to get indicted so what they do is they just say executives you're going to indict you too if you don't turn if you don't just don't do whatever we say they don't care about the truth they just they just saying, this is what we're going to want and demand and you're going to do it.
So who showed up? The two executives to testify against me. And this was like, this is the crazy part.
And by the way, I like, so that's step one. Divide, divide everybody, turn them against each other.
Do you believe, if I could ask you to pause, do you believe the Department of Justice had an inappropriate relationship with Kirkland and Ellis? Personally, I do, but it's extremely inappropriate. But I think that they are very good at what they do and cover up their tracks.
It'd be very hard to... But you felt that Kirkland and Ellis was not straightforward? Well, no, we found communications between Kirkland and Ellis and ICLA where they actually laid out nine steps on how to frame me.
And this came from the Department of Justice because it was my exact indictment. So we know that the department, the prosecutors had to have been talking to Kirkland and Ellis because they gave them literally the blueprint on what their indictment was going to be.
And these idiots put it in writing. Some intern was actually writing it down.
There was nine steps on how they were going to frame me, step by step. They actually said, we're going to make up stories about Trevor and this is what we need to say.
Were you being represented by that firm? I was at first, yeah. And then later I wasn't.
So there's some really bad misconduct there that is like, but ultimately like there's, the hard part is, is they, it's almost impossible to get into privileged communications and sue people on privileged.

It's really, really difficult.

It's not much you can do about it.

How much did you pay Kirkland?

The company paid Kirkland over $100 million.

Okay.

So I'm just trying to figure out who wins in this.

So shareholders lost tens of billions of dollars.

Your life was destroyed.

You were convicted of a felony. And so the short seller won and the law firm won.
Law firm. So my legal fees were over 80 million.
Personally? Personally. 80 million? 80 million.
And you know why? It was because, remember how I talked about psychological warfare? The next thing the government does is say, you're going to turn them into an enemy combative and you're not going to share anything. So then what happened is I was not privy to any of my communications inside the company.
I couldn't interview a single employee. I couldn't interview anyone in the company.
I couldn't get documents from the company. They were obligated to turn me over for my company because I left at this time.
And they were obligated to turn this over contractually,

but they just said, what are you going to do?

Sue us?

Go ahead.

It'll take you two years.

Kirkland said that to you.

Well, that was, yes.

And essentially Nikola, but through Kirkland,

said, we're not sharing anything.

Piss off.

So then they got Kirkland to essentially turn the company against me.

Wait, can I, just to be clear on the fees here,

because the fees are really substantial. And so they're an incentive, clearly.
So you paid Kirkland $80 million? I didn't pay Kirkland. I paid my attorneys, separate attorneys, $80 million.
Okay. And Kirkland made $100 million.
The company paid Kirkland over $100 million. $100 million.
So this is what they did, this is what firms do. They, Kirkland, think about it.
If Kirkland went into the department of justice and defended us and actually got this thing squashed, they might make five million. But if they create an indictment, now they create controversy.
They get a bill at two to $3,000 an hour. They destroy the company.
They create more problems. They defend every one of those fires.
They create shareholder lawsuits. They defend those two.
And then they defend the company against a company with the Department of Justice through the indictment. So if they create chaos, they make $100 million.
If they prove innocence, they make $5 million. Do you see it now? I do see it.
America? I'm not even a math guy, Trevor, and I see it. Yeah.
Yeah, that's literally what happened. Over $100 million, is what I've heard, and through the lawsuits, what I've heard through the discovery, around over $100 million to Kirkland and their attorneys.
I've known a lot of Kirkland attorneys. There's some nice ones, but mostly just greasy, disgusting people.
Honestly. I can tell you that law firms in New York, their single goal is to represent chaos because chaos creates immense wealth.
Damn. This is dark.
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Like, I didn't realize how deep this was. Dude, look, I came from a farm town, man.
I grew up in a small town called Kanab, Utah. Okay.
My mom was dying when I was eight years old of cancer. We lived in Vegas.
My dad's like, I got to get out of here. My mom's like, I don't want to die in a city.
Just don't. I want to get out of here.
So we moved to a small town called Kanab, Utah. One of the best things for me.
It was really tough. But I moved to a small town in Kanab.
We were extremely poor. My dad or my mom, my essentially my mom was dying.
Our insurance company dropped us, refused to pay any of her medical bills. My dad sold everything he owned in his life to pay for her medical bills.
And tried to figure out a way for her to have some sense of like happiness as she died.

So we're in the small town in Canab.

I'm taking care of my mom.

My dad's working in Las Vegas three to four hours away trying to find work.

And we are broke beyond measure.

Like no food sometimes.

I had no money, nothing. Like I had to go out and work.
I was working in the morning. I was delivering papers.
I was, you know, go over to milk cows with some of my neighbors. I did whatever I could to, to, to make a few bucks, mowing lawns after school, whatever I could.
I was also in wrestling. Um, and so I'd have to get up early and go to wrestling practice.
And sometimes I'd go to practice, you know, and I wasn't very just wasn't good it was interesting because uh um through hindenburg and all the media there they use this guy in locally and can have about me they were like oh what do you think about trevor that he's like oh he's a loser he lost every wrestling match he did and he's like he's a total loser and it was really interesting i just ask you so hindenburg went and interviewed your childhood friends? They sent media to do it because they got media to, Hindenburg works with massive media groups. One of them was Bloomberg.
The other one was CNBC. Hindenburg works with Bloomberg and CNBC? Yeah, they're tied, I mean, tied together, almost tied completely together.
What? Yeah. So the short seller uses, like has a formal relationship with the media? Oh, monster relationship.
This is how they get the short. They guarantee the collapse of a company.
Dude, it's deep. Fucking deep.
How can a short seller use the media to destroy a company and then profit from it? They're best friends. What happens and how they get...
I can't tell you the relationship of how of what happens behind the doors with these guys all we know is there was an enormous amount of communication between hindenburg a guy named bloomberg ben foley other guys and also cnbc where they created a a salacious tv episode to hit during my jury deliberations we'll talk about that later actually actually yeah we have, yeah. We have a massive billion dollar lawsuit against CNBC and Hindenburg for this

that just got the judge.

We just cleared the motion to dismiss

and the judge is like,

I can't, wow.

It's this deep.

It goes so deep, dude.

These guys are like straight up.

It reminds me of a government entity,

how deep the layers go.

Like these guys had so much control

with so many groups and they were working directly with the media man the story is it's so much bigger than just you yeah and your family like this just says so much about how our financial system works in tandem with our justice system and our media establishment to make a few people rich while destroying so much like the country itself.

It's really difficult because the audience has only heard, oh, Nicola rolled a truck downhill.

They don't know the truth.

The truck was actually a real function.

No problem.

We just didn't turn it on for that scene and could have easily.

But here's the thing. What's important to know is like why i did certain things this is what is important so as going back to cab you know so i mean like the the media went and interviewed in conjunction with the short seller groups when interviewed this guy and he's like oh trevor's a loser he lost every wrestling match and it was interesting because later on someone was like you know and this kid this kid was like oh yeah he's a loser he lost this is why he he probably stole from everyone this is why he got indicted like tied it to my wrestling matches right okay cool your high school wrestling high school wrestling match and so they went pretty deep on you huh deep deep it was just fine they're interviewing your ninth grade classmates actually earlier than that it was like the seventh and eighth grade.
What? So, by the way, I'm like, this is kind of interesting because like, this is one of the only areas that the short sellers got it right. I mean, it's kind of sad to say, but the answer is I did lose all my wrestling matches.
I'm sorry. I lost every one.
But I don't know the reason why. You know, sometimes it'd be two days that I hadn't eaten.
You know, so we had no money. We were broke.
We lost everything. My dad sold his welder to pay for his money to get to Vegas to go work.
I had no money. And it would be two days, sometimes three days I wouldn't eat.
And I would maybe grab like a handful of cereal from a neighbor. And like that was my food.
And it was just a tough time. It wasn't like that for all of our life.
It was just that time for a few years, really bad. And, uh, we lost everything.
And like, I would go to wrestling matches and get my ass kicked. I mean, just bad, just get beat.
And, but I didn't even have enough energy to even stand up. And so like, I was like, yeah, I like some friends asked me, like, is it true Trevor? Cause you're a fighter.
I can't believe you're losing wrestling. Cause I'm a pretty scrappy guy.
And, uh, and I'm like, no, it's true. I lost every one.
And they're like, really? And I'm like, yeah, but I hadn't eaten for two days, dude. My, I was skin and bone.
I had nothing on me. I was so exhausted, tired.
My mom was dying. Wasn't mentally there.
I was like, yeah, I lost it. They use it.
Like what they do is they take these huge things and then they, they roll it into like this whole entire short sale report about how you're this big fraud. And that story is important because like my family means more to me than anything in life.
It just makes you not want to have a publicly traded company. I love the public system.
I hate the corruption that the government allows to exist around it um it it allows people to actually be equal to other people like think about it allows an entrepreneur to go from zero to you know to creating incredible wealth for their employees the problem is the government real the government figures out a way to destroy so many good people and profit the big people that are friends like the big banks and and other people that are like making a billion off of every one they touch and then the law firms making a hundred million dollars by encouraging chaos each one yeah so it's important to know why i do things like you know everyone one of the big lies that was set out was like oh trevor trevor left the company because he was uh you know because you know when when hindenburg hit i decided to step away from the company um what the public doesn't know they see the headlines the, the media, the lies, but they don't know the truth. Why did I step away? What was the reason for that? I had told the board prior to, when we went public, I told the board I was going to retire in December.
So just a few months later, I was like, look guys, I've taken this company as far as I can. It's up to you guys to take it the rest of the way.
And my wife is incredibly sick. She was, and this interview is amazing because the documentary comes out today, finally.
I've been working on this for almost a year. The documentary about Nicole and myself comes out is just, is now live.
And everyone can see it on YouTube. It just launched.
So the handle is Trevor Milton, but the title of the documentary is Conviction or Conspiracy. And he to provoke the thought process is this guy was it a gigantic conspiracy or was it a true conviction and part of the documentary is not favorable to me i mean come bash it kind of you know you got to show both sides it's pretty pretty fair and we wanted to make sure it was fair but we also want to make sure the truth was out there and and so i had told the board i said look i'm gonna um i'm gonna step aside and um and your wife was sick my wife was actually dying at the time i thought she wasn't gonna make it she was a a doctor had put the wrong person's blood plasma into my wife during a procedure oh gosh yeah she developed all kinds of diseases and i don't like to go over them publicly because it's not fair to her but like she developed a lot of diseases from what happened there and also autoimmune diseases she developed um diabetes instantly she went from a very healthy woman to a type one and type one one and a half diabetic to no longer being able to have children um oh god it was the worst thing you can imagine and so i she had been she she had taken a uh a vac she went to we went to the emergency room they gave her a um they gave her like a um some type of vaccine that was a that was there

for they thought that maybe she got they wanted to make sure it was like i don't know i'm not a

doctor but they required it when we went to the er and that put her into seizures it just it almost

killed her it was off it was like the most so my wife was literally dying on her death but couldn't

get out of her bed i was like i was like bathing her i she couldn't get out of bed couldn't walk

Thank you. I almost killed her dude it was awful it was like the most so my wife was literally dying on her death but couldn't get out of her bed I was like I was like bathing her I actually couldn't get out of bed couldn't walk and all and then all of a sudden Hindenburg hits and I'm like I can't stay here and fight all this when I got my company they all promised me everything would be fine that they would fight the government and they would expose the truth and work with me and they got me to sign these papers these lying scumbags.
And they used my wife's death, or like on a verge of death, in order to get me to sign papers. Because they wanted power and greed and control.
Who's they? The law firm? The executives in the law firm. Yeah.
The law firm wanted it because they knew they couldn't control me, but they could control the other people because they were idiots. So they controlled them like little puppets.
But they would have would have never gotten away with that with me i would never allow it so i decided to go help my wife and then what does hinnenberg do they go out and they're celebrate like you see trevor's he's a criminal he's a liar he he got thrown out of his company resigned because of the disgrace hinnenberg's true and that's where he you know so hinnenberg used the department of justice the media and and, the media, and my wife's sick illness to in order to make sure that they profited 30 to 100 million dollars or whatever it was. Did you ever meet anyone from Hindenburg? No.
I saw him at trial. He came to my trial to rub it in my face.
Like he had just sat in the- Nate Anderson did? Yeah, they would like- There was times when he came through the trial. I think it was just intimidation is what I believe.
But he never called you? You had no contact? No, never. No.
Never even wanted to know the truth. Never wanted to have any comment on anything.
He used people, like one thing they did is they used a, they used like, they would use recordings from people and then like, and delete half them. So Bloomberg did a, Bloomberg did a, uh, um, an interview with me and they were like, he asked me, he's like, Oh, was the truck here? They're trying to get me and catch me in like some kind of lie or fraud.
Did I go, was the truck real? Did it, or, or did you guys just push it down the, you know, did you guys push it down the hill or it wasn't under its own power? And I said, I said, no, the truck was real, but we didn't use its own power. we just used it in a commercial and it we we let it roll down the hill for a cinematic effect and and and i told the truth right so what does it what does bloomberg do they come out with an article and they cut out my answer and the headline is is that trevor rolled the truck down the hill but they cut my answer out so in the criminal trial we got the judge actually one thing the judge did fair to me one of the very few things was he actually forced um bloomberg to turn over the entire the entire recording and sure enough there it was me explaining that like oh no we never we never you know the truck wasn't under its own power it was it was you know we rolled it down the hill for cinematic effects and da da da da da so literally bloomberg deleted everything that showed i was innocent and hid it from the department of justice and And Bloomberg was working with the short seller.
With Nate Anderson. Do you think Bloomberg or CNBC took money from Nate Anderson? I don't know.
Don't know. I don't think the company would be, who knows? I don't know.
I don't know. I do know that they're very close.
They're like best friends. And Nate and some of these guys at Bloomberg, and they work on every one of his projects they literally every one of the short sales they you see the same guys disclosing like launching massive attacks against people so it's a coordinated effect that is crazy yeah that bloomberg allows that unbelievable we're actually suing we're suing to cnbc right now because of the fact that and and nate anderson but, the hard part with Bloomberg is, is there's nothing, I can't sue him for deleting part of the recording and withholding it.
There's no crime for lying about someone, unfortunately. Like it has to be a slander and it has to be like premeditated and it has to be slander.
Like you have to prove that they knew it was a lie. It was, it was, we have it with CNBC easy, but we don't have it with Bloomberg.
It's just, they just did really awful discussing stuff. Well, the fact that media organizations, business networks are working with short sellers who profit from attacking people is just, I mean, so prima facie corrupt that you don't need to make a case beyond that.
Just that fact alone is disgraceful. Yeah.
And I didn't know it as low an opinion as I have the U.S. media having spent a lifetime in it.
You're still shocking me. My opinion's even lower.
They are criminals. Okay, so back to the playbook that the U.S.
government in conjunction with the media and the short sellers ran on you. The first part of that you said was to separate you from everyone you knew and loved and trusted, and they did that.
Yeah, and then they threatened the other guys, and then what they do from there is they get the company to, this is the third step is, is what they do is they, what they call control the environment. Control the environment is where they, where they come in and they, they sanitize and filter every interview.
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So these employees came to me afterwards and told me about this. This is how, after my trial, this is how I knew.
So they threatened the employees. They said, you can't talk to Trevor, you'll get arrested, which is a lie.
They could. They could talk to my attorneys, but the government threatened them.
If they did, they would be turned on. So Kirkland would threaten the employees and essentially dividing conquer and then sit down and say, okay, they would interview an employee and they'd say, all right, you know, here's our, here's our nine steps on how to frame Trevor.
And they would go through it with the employee and they would tell the employee what they wanted to hear. The employee's like, that's not accurate.
They're like, okay, well, we're just going to move on. It is accurate, but we're going to move on.
And then they would, but they wouldn't take notes of it. They wouldn't take notes of it.
So when an employee would be like, oh no, Trevor didn't, like Trevor told the chief legal counsel this and the chief legal counsel signed off on this. And Kirk was like, no, that's actually not how it happened, but it's okay.
We're going to move on. And then they wouldn't write it down and they would just move on.
So like, I had no idea an employee would actually tell this. Imagine this is Brady.
Brady material means information that shows you're innocent or exculpatory. Kirkland and the company would sanitize all of it.
And then what they did is they would come up with a plan. They would come up with this report and Kirkland came out with it, a whole report on me about how I was a fraud.
They created this report fraudulently with all these partial employee comments where they sanitized everything out of it that showed I was innocent. And the government wanted it because they wanted to guarantee they would use that as part of their indictment and use it as part of the SEC coming after me.
So it's crazy. The whole thing is planned out.
It's just bonkers. So what kind of penalty were you facing at trial? 64 years is what the government asked.
Oh, God. Sorry.
64 years in prison. 64 years in prison, I think is what the number was that they asked for.
How old were you at the time? I was like 40. Right.
So you'd be 104 when you got out. Yeah, I'd be dead.
Yeah. So you're facing life in prison.
Life in prison for tweeting, by the way. Remember, this is important to know.
Even one day in prison is the worst thing you can do to a human that's innocent because it destroys their life, their freedom, their liberty, their family, their name. It's irreparable.
There's probably been a quarter million negative articles written about me because they just follow what the government says. So, a great example is when the government came out, the U.S.
attorney, Audrey Strauss, came out. And this is the crazy thing.
They convict me for misunderstanding my tweet, right? Because they say it affected the market. So here's the crazy part.
Audrey Strauss comes out. She stands in front of the whole world and she says, Trevor Milton is a liar, a fraud.
This is where the rubber meets the pavement. He created a truck that was nothing more than a Ford truck with his own badge on it.
It wasn't even real, it was fake, everything. That was categorically 100% false.
So the market collapses on Ecoli. So this market manipulation, they should indict her like they indicted me because she actually caused massive market collapse when she had the resources at her hands to know that what she was saying was fake, but she didn't care.
You know why? She can just say, oh, well, maybe we misrepresented it a little bit. No, they destroyed the company.
The Department of Justice destroyed $34 billion in value. And she is responsible.
The US attorney came out, literally lied to the entire market. Like it's provable.
The pickup, one of the other trucks we did, the pickup truck was a Nikola truck, Nikola frame, Nikola e-axle, Nikola battery that we were working on, all of our own suspension designs, our own exterior panels, everything. All that design was ours.
We used like a couple of pieces from other OEMs, which every OEM in the world does. And she came out and said it was literally just destroyed.
When she came out and said that, that the whole entire company at that point was known as a fraud it's one of the wildest interviews i've ever done and i hope people understand the importance of it um because what it shows is that that there's a shocking level of coordination between major institutions in our society that are not supposed to be coordinating with each other and that it's on behalf of what is, in my view, a criminal enterprise short-selling. Here's where it gets really like, okay, so now we've had all the, I agree, and now we've had all this fun talking about this.
And here's the cherry on top. Here's the cherry on top.
This just shows you how corrupt it is. So I didn't know this was going down.
This was completely, I did not know this was going down in the background, okay? So after everything I'm telling you, I'm sitting there. I get a call from my attorney and he says, Trevor, I need you to answer me something honestly.
And if you lie to me, I'll never represent you. You need to be 100% truthful to me right now.
And I'm like, what? I've never lied to you. What are you talking about? Why would you even phrase it that way? What's, what's going on, dude? What the hell else is going on that I don't know about? And he says, Trevor, are you a Russian asset? I thought you were like a Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah.
I was a very innocent, naive Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah. I had met one Russian in my lifetime up to that point, and she was a male lady.
She was really nice. Like at the post office? Yeah, the post office.
She worked for the post office. Are you a Russian asset? I had never been to Russia.
I had never met a Russian in my life up to that point point no big deal i mean there's probably lots of great people i mean it's probably good and bad just like every country yeah um i i and i was like what the fuck are you talking about i'm sorry for the language sorry for the language everyone i mean i was justified my job i had no clue i'm like what are you talking about they're like did you hack um nate anderson and the department of justice what the fuck are you talking about i don't even know how to hack dude i'm not a hacker not a russian asset dude i have to go to my engineers to ask him simple questions for because that's how i learned like i don't know how to do it like i'm not like the expert when it comes to like you get in super advanced chemical engineering i'm not the expert i have my engineers teach me i don't know how to hack a government system good fuck dude so i was um this is that was the line of questioning right up front and i said why and they said um there's a meeting before the judge the department of justice is alleging that you're a government russian asset and that you've been hacking their systems and Nate Anderson.

And they essentially want to take you to jail, like pre-trial.

Like, they want to just throw me in prison for this.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

He's like, you've never emailed anyone ever to get information from, to like try to get into the system of Hindenburg or the United States government.

No.

You've never talked to anyone ever.

No.

You never asked someone to talk to someone else about it.

No.

Don't forget to talked to anyone ever. No.
You never asked someone to talk to someone else about it. No.
Don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. So guess what happened? Nate Anderson, before trial, wanted to stoke the fear of the United States, get the government so mad at me that I have no ability to have a fair trial.
Remember, they're profiting off of the failure of me every step of the way. So every month they would make another however many millions of dollars, millions of dollars, millions of dollars.
As your stock price declines. As the stock price declines, negative news comes out.
They had to make sure that I was convicted. Their entire life and identity was on this.
From what we hear, and I have to say, this is only from what I know. I don't know all the details, I just know a lot of them,

but from what I know,

Nate Anderson reached out to his buddies

in the Department of Justice,

the prosecutors

that he fed the report to

and told them that

some Russian asset

was trying to hack him

and the government

and get information

and that it was me.

And the Department of Justice

fell for it,

hook, line, and sinker.

They go to the judge, they tell the judge, and they set up a FBI sting. I've never told any, this is breaking here.
An FBI sting in New York City. Supposedly, I'm behind it.
They're going to nab me and my Russian asset. They set it up.
Nate Anderson wore a lookalike. I heard it might, it was a lookalike.
It was a guy dressed up as Nate Anderson, like that he was like in the FBI or like away or something, but they didn't want to risk his life. They got to protect him.
He, a personal lookalike was there. The Russian, this Russian person shows up, realizes it's not Nate or whatever

and fucking takes off.

Hits an FBI vehicle

from what I hear. And by the way, this is all filmed.

The FBI has it. These fuckers, sorry, these people

have it. I don't have access to it.

I've seen, I've heard about it and my attorneys have seen it.

They fucking filmed this thing.

Actually, because they were going to use it to

go to the judge and throw me in prison.

If Nate Anderson is texting federal prosecutors, that right there should trigger a criminal investigation.

It should.

If that's true.

I mean, I'm hearing this from you.

If it's true.

From what I know, that's the thing.

That's where I have all the evidence from what has been told to me, from my attorneys, from what I've seen.

I was standing there one day when one of the prosecutors had to show me a message because for disclosure reasons, reasons they literally had to show me their phone and say we just have to show you this message because it came into us they had to show it it's like so this is how i know that like this and what was the man who's the message it was it was a message about me fleeing the country who is it from uh one of the one of their one of their who who one of their friends that was involved in this whole scheme and i couldn't tell you who it was i didn't i didn't have their i couldn't write their number down in research i'm it was in the prosecutor's cell phone their fucking cell phone it's just it's insane that like these guys have so they they meaning likely the short sellers were telling federal prosecutors that you were a flight risk in order to encourage them to put you And a Russianussian asset and russian they wanted me in prison they did not they had to do it because they needed to make the judge think i was guilty so remember they had approached that the judge sees all this shit so the judge is thinking i'm the biggest scum on earth you know how it is like the liberal like the very far left in New York, where they hate more than anything, Russian assets.

They, I mean, it was Trump 101. Trump's a Russian asset.
They use that to stoke the anger to the judge to fuck my life and my trial, knowing that they're going to make another 10, 20, $30 million on it. That is just crazy.
I lost almost everything I have in my life because of this. I lost 80 million in attorney fees,

billions of dollars in losses on my stock. Innocent investors lost billions of dollars out there potentially in different ways because of the decline of the stock value, because of the misconduct of the Department of Justice.
And then they blamed it on me. And there's been 200,000 articles out there

about how I was the cause of this. And now the truth gets out.
This is why I'm so excited to finally think, and I use his name so sacredly because I'm a religious person. And I use this in the most sacred, most amazing way I ever can in like respectful and reverent way.
Like, thank my god for in and allowing Donald Trump to see my story because he issued me a full and unconditional pardon days before the government was going to seize every asset I ever owned. And that's all, if it was not for Donald Trump, I would be destroyed.
And it was the same people that came after him,

came after me.

And when he saw this,

he was like,

this is a huge abomination.

I can't stand for it.

I don't care what the articles say.

I don't care what the,

what the short seller narrative is.

This is wrong

and I don't stand for it.

And that's one thing

I love about Donald Trump.

He does not stand for something

when he thinks it's wrong.

He doesn't give a shit

who is going to attack him.

He knew there was going to be blowback.

He didn't care.

I don't care.

I do what's right.

This is, and he is a man, like he has got a spine.

He's a real man.

He's a true man.

He's not a cow.

He's not, he literally stood up to the media.

They said, why'd you pardon Trevor Milton?

And because they were trying to, you know, get in, like, make him look bad.

And he said, he stood there and said, they destroyed five years of this man's life. Trevor did nothing wrong.
They're evil people. Yes.
And that was his statement to the press live on the fly. And that was, if it wasn't for Donald Trump, I'd be screwed.
They had filed to seize $690 million or something like that from me. They were days away from taking everything.
And then sending you to prison. And then sending me to prison just weeks or months later.
I've been, my goal in this life now has been to try to figure out a way to help Trump reform the criminal justice system because there's four or five things I could do and I can lay them out real quick. That will change the entire justice system.
I think it's important to tell the world what it is. This would be, these would be like, because you know, you can go into thousands of things.
I only care about four or five things because it'll 80 to 90% of prosecutions, wrong prosecutions would go away instantaneously. Number one is the, the department of justice should never allow it, be allowed to talk to anyone unless it's a recorded call.
I totally agree. That's number one.
They should never be allowed to talk to anyone unless it's a recorded call.

I totally agree. That's number one.

They should never be allowed to talk to an attorney.

Cops have beat cops who are making 50 grand a year and risking their life every day in the worst places in the United States have to wear a chess camera.

But FBI agents don't?

No.

How is that?

Here's the problem.

They coerce and they lie and they destroy people and they destroy evidence.

So the number one thing they should be is every call, every personal visit, everything should be on camera. Certainly every interview.
Every interview as well. May I ask you a dumb question? Are you allowed to whip out your iPhone and record the interview? I believe you are if you're being interviewed.
That person is, but the person wouldn't know. The employee would never know that.
Yes. They're never told.
So, but they should force the Department of Justice to do it. So that way it's turned over in discovery.
That should be part of their discovery obligations. Okay.
Number one is every single interview or communication with any counsel, any attorney or anyone working on the case or instructed to work on the case, it should be a recorded call or video.

Number one.

Number two is if you indict someone,

the person,

the defendant should be able to choose the venue.

This is a really important one because what they did is they,

I had no connections to New York.

We filed the most.

You're not a native New Yorker.

No,

I've never,

I didn't own a property.

I had passed through New York on a flight one time overseas.

I've been to Kennedy airport once. I had been interviewed one time early on about an equal in New York, and it had nothing to do with the allegations of the government claim.
For a media interview. Yeah, for a media interview.
So if you look at my whole history, everything the government alleged happened, happened in Arizona and Utah, not in New York. So we filed a motion with the judge, and we said, your honor, this is the wrong venue.
I'm guaranteed by the constitution. It's actually one of the reasons why America exists is because they used to drag the founding fathers across sometimes the ocean, sometimes into other cities and states, and they would prosecute them with people that hated them.
There's one reason why our founding fathers created the venue clause. And that

was, for me, was one of the most

very sacred. May I ask

how did the case wind up

in New York City? If you

had no connection to New York City. That's the whole

scam. Was the company chartered in New York City?

Well, no, they said, so the prosecutors

claimed that it was because

they were publicly traded on the New York

Stock Exchange that they could drag me to

New York. So somehow the company's

organization would Thank you. claimed that it was because we were publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange that they could drag me to New York.

So somehow the company's

organization would bring

my personal

venue underneath the company

which is crazy. That doesn't happen.
Number two

is, so we filed this

motion with the judge and we said, Your Honor,

Trevor doesn't have any connections to New York. This shouldn't even

be here. It should be in Arizona, Utah.
They would never

try it in Arizona, Utah, ever. Because your stock was traded in New York.
Yeah, but here's the funny part. It's actually traded on the internet.
It's traded. Well, yeah.
So they say it passes through, it's traded through New York. But you know, the funny thing is, we told the judge, we're like, your honor, even that argument's wrong.
And he says, why is that? Why is that? It's a New York Stock Exchange. He says, your honor, the servers are in New Jersey.
Well, there is no New York Stock Exchange anymore. I mean, the whole thing is stupid.

There are a bunch of guys in coats with slips of paper trading stocks.

No, it's taking place digitally.

So what that means is that if you took away the venue clause in the Constitution,

then the rights that we've been given,

the venue is one of the most powerful clauses ever given.

And it was made to prevent people from dragging people into other venues where they could get destroyed.

So here's the important thing, though, real quick. The prosecutors claimed that because something passed through New York somehow digitally, that it allows them to prosecute me in New York.
If that's the case, you might as well get rid of every district in America. It should only be Southern District.
because that allows them to pull anyone they want

from California, from Portland, from Texas

and charge them in New York just because the internet goes through New York or some kind of thing like that.

That's the problem.

It would destroy every venue in America.

So did you have to move to New York?

I did.

You moved to New York?

I had to move there the entire time in trial.

How long was that?

How long were you in New York?

I mean, we bought a house there for the whole trial. It was awful.
It was terrible. It was for the trial.
And we were there. The trial took, I mean, the pre-trial and trial was over a couple years.
So you had to move to New York for a couple years? I wasn't there the full time. I'd still go back and forth.
But yeah, I was there for a little over a year. I mean, at least probably a year in and out all the time.
What did you think of the jury pool? That was hard. And this is why the government tries people in New York.
So the jury pool in my trial was, this is why they rubber stamp convictions in New York. This is how it works.
In Utah and Arizona, the jury would, the people actually feel like it's a very patriotic thing to serve on the jury. And they want to make sure that no innocent person goes to prison.
This is why they wouldn't try me in Arizona or Utah. The prosecutors would have been laughed out of the courtroom and probably sanctioned by the judge for their conduct.
But in New York, the judges cover for them. They can do whatever they want.
There's never a prosecutor that's ever reprimanded for anything in New York ever. Shit.
In Utah, just barely, the chief justice in Utah called the SEC in, essentially told them that they had committed crimes, shut down the entire SEC division in Utah over this because the SEC lied to the judge one time. The prosecutors lied to the judge hundreds of times in my trial.
The judge literally threw the entire criminal case out against a guy because the prosecutors misled the judge one time they out there they actually give a shit about the rule of law in new york they don't so what do they do in new york how does it work they bring you in and they have this huge jury pool um new york is um is the people in my jury pool that ended up through process of attrition, which is guaranteed every time. Almost every one of them, none of them had, very few of them had any type of job.
Most of them were on government subsidies and welfare. Actually? Yeah.
They, the people that did have jobs, like there was one guy that came through that was a plumber, an electrician. And I was begging.
I was like, please, like stay on my journey. They didn't have jobs or on welfare? Some of them.
Some of them. Not all of them.
This is the jury of your peers you promised? My jury, yeah. So one of the guys was a small business guy.
I'm like, oh, please, for the love, stay on my journey. And he's like, and the prosecutor's like, your honor, this jury, this trial this trial could take up to four months the business guy's like i can't be away from my business for four months i'll lose it i'm sorry i can't be here so the guy who's actually like who's actually run a company that's like would would be a peer one person left see other guys making you know the other people they're making six eight bucks an hour ten bucks now whatever welfare, getting welfare checks, retired, don't even work anymore.
They're like really old people. We had a couple of them that slept through the whole trial.
They're so old, they just slept. They weren't even awake.
One of them was, and then what we found, the crazy part is, so during this Void Dyer, they call it Void Dyer, where they interview the jurors. there's this one juror and this juror had, she was a younger African-American female.
And most of my jury was other races. They were not white.
It was most of it was all, I think that might've only had one white person on our jury, I have to look, but it was almost all a different race, which is fine. But you would, you would think normally, but in this situation it wasn't.
Um, so this, this juror had, and during questionnaires, we asked the juror, do you have social media? No, I don't. Do you social media? No, I don't.
Do you, where do you get your news from? Um, I get it from YouTube. Okay.
All right, cool. Sounds good.
Um, any prior convictions? No, no, no. Okay, cool.
Whatever. So there was nothing on her.
And we asked the judge if we could research these jurors to make sure that the jurors weren't lying. She was like, yeah, no problem.
You can research. You know, so we, the person said they had never had social media, never had, do you have anything against rich people or white people that would, that would affect your ability to be fair? No, no, your honor.
Okay, so cool. We put her in a pool of like potentially just acceptable people because they didn't meet any qualifications to be disregarded or essentially thrown out.
And so long story short, we go into the trial. Most of my jury is- And she's on the jury.
She's on the jury. I had one good juror.
I had one good juror and it was a Hispanic lady and she was awesome. She ultimately went along with the rest, but she was actually, she was the only one that had any sense of soul in her in her, her heart in her that was like, Hey, this might be wrong guys.
She was a really great woman. And I think she was bulldozed by everybody.
She had, she, but I'll go through this, this African-American girl lied to the judge, lied to us. My trial happens.
I get convicted and she goes out and she starts speaking to the jury. I mean, speaking to the media.
We're like, what the fuck? And so she, she starts speaking to the media i mean speaking to the media we're like what the fuck like and so she she starts speaking to the media she gets interviewed by the media and and the media is uh the media asks her questions and they were really weird and we start researching her and we find multiple social media accounts that she owned through investigative ways that she never disclosed to the to the judge or us right before my trial, guess what her New Year's resolution was? What? To abolish, quote, abolish the billionaire class, end of quote. That's unbelievable.
Her New Year's resolution was to abolish the class of the human that she was on the trial for. Imagine this.
Imagine if there was a trial with a young Hispanic kid or a young black kid. And there was a white supremacist on the trial.
And his New Year's resolution was to abolish the African-American culture or class or abolish the Hispanic class. Can you imagine how quick that fucking trial would be thrown out? What, did she express any racial views? Yeah, lots of stuff against white people, wealthy people.
Everything was a class warfare against wealthy white people. Like explicitly against whites? Everyone except for Elon Musk, which was her hero.
So she was like, implant my brain with your neural link, Elon. Like she was like a, she was an Elon

lover.

Implant my brain with your

neural link. That's what she said.

She actually tweeted that.

Yeah, she tweeted it. But she hates whites otherwise.

She hates whites otherwise. I think it's because he's South

African or something. But like, the

point is, she absolutely

was like, her whole thing was like.

And she served on the jury and voted for your conviction. Not only served, she was of the she took full control of the jury she even admitted it so it was why wasn't why wasn't the conviction thrown out on the basis oh it even gets worse already so one last thing i'll say so when she went out and interviewed with the media they're like they're like oh why didn't you you know like what about this this and this questions about something.
She's like, well, we didn't want to have an alternate come in because we knew he'd be found innocent. She actually said that I would be found innocent.
Why didn't you flee the country? No, seriously. I wanted to stand.
I mean, this is a joke. Everything about this is fake.
There's no reference point in justice here at all or truth. And I know it's your country and you love the country.
I feel the same way. But like, if you're sitting before a jury of racists who hate you for being white and rich and say so and lie, you're going to do life in prison.
Life in prison. They asked for 64 years.
So did you consider fleeing the country? No, I never did. Mainly because I grew up in a really small farm town.
As I said, my dad was very patriotic, is still. But we know the problems in the government.
We hope we can fix them. But the point was, there's something very brave and very patriotic and very manly about standing up, knowing you're going to be assassinated and look at them in your eye and just saying, fuck you.
That was my, my best thing I could do is look at them and through the eyes and I looked at the jury and I said, you know, one day you're going to stand before God and oh, how the hell you're going to pay because they're going to realize that they, that they like, so the one juror was like, oh, we didn't want him. We didn't want an alternate because they were going to exclude someone.
We didn't want an alternate because he would have been found innocent she's like i couldn't stay so i just decided we need to have this done by 5 p.m so i could go home so she like literally is just like well i have to be home by 5 p.m so we're going to convict him we're not even going to look at the jury and start with the stuff we're just gonna let's just let's just go home and she like she was she was bragging about convicting convicting me putting me in prison by 5 p.m.,

and it was her lifelong goal,

and then she went and bragged about it to the media

because she wanted a big payday.

It was just sick, dude.

It's sick, and there's something about,

I feel like God, like Christ,

if you believe in God,

allegedly what they believe is that he died on a cross.

He didn't die on that cross because he had, I mean, because he was forced to, he did it willingly. And it's the greatest sign of a man is to look his, look at the people that are evil in their eye, why they, why they hurt them or murder them and look them in the eye and just say, you don't know.
And one day you will, and it'll be pain. The pain will be deep.
And I can promise you, like if God does exist, when they meet their maker, the pain they caused me and the lies that they, what they did to me, if their hatred towards wealth and race and everything else, and whatever other reason, they will have to pay a price greater than what I paid over my five years of hell. Because that's the only way you can truly atone for something is you have to pay for what you did.
And then God can forget about it. But their pain is going to be incredible.
And I don't wish that on them, but the growth that's required requires that. And so they will have to go through it.
And that's why I'm so afraid of ever doing anything wrong to anyone. It's why I give so much away.
It's why I love, I give 70% of my company away. The judge wouldn't let me talk about that at trial.
So they could say that somehow I was like, oh, I was lying, I was defrauding the company, I was defrauding shareholders because I like lied about something in a tweet when it was a misunderstanding. But like, they just didn't understand how I was explaining it.
But if I was really trying to pump the stock and defraud people, wouldn i have not given 70 of i mean i'm talking 10 billion plus dollars away why would i keep such a small amount for me why wouldn't i keep it all no i gave it all away but somehow i'm a fraud it was just it's just it it's that's america tucker that's where we're at now and that's this is the first time i've ever exposed it and first time i've ever come clean about like what really happened and what went down and it's uh it and i'm just really great i'm really proud how did your wife take this uh not well yeah yeah i bet she still struggles to this day because with her with her illnesses and sicknesses stress is like the number one factor for diabetics and for uh for autoimmune diseases that that's what it flares up the the

the histamine reactions and everything and her stress level like there was days where i thought

we were both gonna probably just wake up like god would just be kind to us and just let us like

die in our sleep like i was like you know that'd be the greatest way to go i was like you know

that'd be wonderful to like just wake up and i'm in you know, that'd be wonderful to like, just wake up and I'm in heaven with her. That'd be rad.
Like, like there was my heart hurt so bad and tore so hard. I was like, I can't, I could never imagine hurting.
Like I've come from a life of service. I lived in Brazil when I was a kid, I did a service mission in the favelas.
I taught people English. I taught people about God for a period, you know, for, for, for a period of time.
I've given almost everything away to my employees. I gave everything away to other people.
I never pass up a person. You can ask anyone you ever meet that knows me.
I'll never pass anyone up on the street unless it's like a dangerous position where I won't stop and help a person. It's who I was raised from the time I was a kid as a true patriot, as a lover, just wanting to see people happy.
I want to to see when I meet my maker I want him to say you know Trevor you stopped 23,000 times in your life to help my help me help my my children the people that I that I that I made and they were never grateful for it but I am and that's what I wanted I wanted that feel I wanted to know when I met my maker that I was like you know what i i never passed someone up that needed help and that's why i was so grateful for president trump he was the first person there was other people there that helped as well but he was the first person that was that was uh that was publicly able to you know that was able to willing to stand up and do what's right regardless of the the consequence and thank my God for President Donald Trump,

because I'd be in prison,

everything would be ripped away

and my wife would probably be dead.

And that's how evil these prosecutors are.

And I hope they go to,

I hope they hear this

and I hope they understand the damage they do to people

because they have to meet their maker one day

and they can excuse it of like,

oh, it's just my job.

God doesn't care if it was your job.

Was it your job to throw,

not comparing equals here, but was it your job to throw the Jews in the oven? He doesn't care if it was your job. Was it your job to throw, you know, not comparing equals here, but was it your job to throw the Jews in the oven? He doesn't care if it's your job.
He cares what, you cannot excuse your behavior on your job. And I'm telling you right now, dude, like I'm halfway through my life right now.
And I don't think America has much more and much more in the future. I think we got maybe 10 years left in us.
Probably. So if I really think about it, I probably have 10 years left in my life because I think we're going to end up in a world of hurt and most of us are going to be, most of us are going to be affected negatively.
And I look at it, I'm like, I'm pretty close to meeting my maker right now. And I'm really glad, I'm really proud.
Like I can look at my maker in the eyes and I can say, I did nothing but nothing but love people and help them and give everything i could and i never lied i never defrauded these guys these short sellers and the prosecutors they all just lied and they just and they just spread it and they have their power they have layers like nine layers just deep everywhere and they back it up because oh well the media said this oh well bloomberg said this oh cnbc said this and a lot the thing i didn't tell you about and i kind of missed it in that

timeline was is that hindenburg worked with a group called um within cnbc called the american greed and they launched this massive reads a show a show yeah massive disgusting show about me that was all lies the entire thing was lies they launched it during my jury deliberation to guarantee. So if you think about this, these...
Wait, are you sure that Nate Anderson and Hindenburg worked with CNBC on that show? A hundred percent. It's actually, it's in all the lawsuit proven to the judges.
It just passed a motion to dismiss. How could CNBC work with a short seller to defame or attack in any case a company the short seller was profiting from the decline of.
During my jury deliberations, knowing that jury members would go home, because they're all social media watchers, they all watch this shit. Every show that comes out, people watch.
They're all bingers. Watch it too.
Think about it. During the jury deliberations, and it's 100% factual that Hindenburg was working with with uh american greed it's part of the big lawsuits a billion dollar lawsuit against them i hope you put them under i hope i i hope they have to pay i don't know if the court systems are honorable enough to make them pay but i hope they do it's bad i mean the best thing would be is the department of justice to actually open a full investigation on the prosecutors, the process, what happened, Hindenburg, what they did, who was paying them money, did they trade on this information, which we have high beliefs that they did.

We know it.

Well, I mean, obviously they traded on it.

So if they did this, that would be the greatest, that would be the best thing that could happen to America is for them to actually restore trust in the justice system to realize you know what we're not going to stand for prosecutors

fucking around with with short-sighted people committing crimes we're not going to we're not going to stand for it and if you are you're gone and you're prosecuted too not just gone but prosecuted and that would be the that would be the best way to restore faith in the american system because it's gone right now how did you find out you were getting a pardon I got a call on

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I had finally come to the conclusion. I had finally resigned mentally that it was done.
When was this? Beginning of April. I think it was, I think it was April, beginning of April.
It was March. Sorry.
I'm sorry. It was beginning.
I'm sorry. It was a beginning.
It was about the beginning of March. I heard you.
Thanks., baby. I appreciate it.
She was like, March. I'm like, okay, March.
Sorry. Your wife is a very good memory for dates and names.
I noticed that last night. Yes.
She remembers everything. It's good.
And so sometime around the beginning in March, I got a call on my phone and it pulled up and I screenshotted just the just the caller id number because i was like it was like so interesting it was it said it said um executive office of the president of the united states and i was like i'm either getting trolled like straight troll like they're gonna impersonate him with ai i'm getting full on set up here but i was like i gotta answer this i answered it and they're like hey this is Trevor Milton I said yeah and this is the executive office of the president of the United States so and so and Mr. President President Trump would like to speak with you do you have a minute and I was like yeah absolutely and that'd be great and I go on hold and I'm a hold for probably like three minutes and I'm like this is really scary because I truly thought it was like a full setup and um and all of a sudden it was the president comes on the line he said you know is this trevor and i said yeah and he says trevor how you doing today and i said not too great mr president but i'm alive still and that's you know it's all you can do is just keep fighting and he says you're you're so true trevor so true and he says well you're gonna have a you have a better day after this and i just wanted to tell you and i said he said yeah and why and i said why is that and he says um he says well um trevor i've heard your story and um uh what they did to you was evil and disgusting it was wrong on every level and i'm going to issue you a full and unconditional pardon.
The highest pardon a president can give a human is a full and unconditional. And I'm going to give, I'm going to issue you a pardon.
You don't deserve what you've been through. I'm so sorry.
And he says, you're clean. You're cleaner than a baby's bottom.
And it was a very, very like, and I didn't know how to take it i'm like i don't even here i am like i i had finally given up finally resigned mentally it's five years i was just like i just didn't have anything left in me i was just over and any and that was when i got the call on it and it was like it was so incredibly because i like i realized that sometimes in this life you don't get the help until you have nothing left to give and it was at that moment and he and he stepped in for what reason i you know i know the reason because it was wrong but like most politicians don't have bravery to do the right thing they always do the wrong thing and and then he says i'll be in touch soon and uh and he says the team he's like i just want to let you know he's like uh you know i'll be in touch soon so two and a half three weeks go by so what what did you do in the meantime did you tell your lawyer i told my i told my parent my dad and i told my brothers and my sisters and i told my lawyers and i made sure like i was like listen guys this cannot get out this is the highest level secrecy do not mention this to anybody and my attorneys actually were like didn't know how to take it. They were like, are you, you know, Trevor, do they're like, do you have a, do you have a piece of paper that's signed? And in that moment I realized, oh shit, I don't.
I'm like, no, I don't. And then they're like, then it didn't happen and it doesn't matter.
And there's a million things that can go wrong from now until then, or if it even, you know,

like you're not questioning you

because we like you and we trust you,

but this is a little, like, you gotta understand

it's very rare to get a pardon.

And I said, I have never lied to you guys before

and I'm not lying to you now.

That's, I was like, my wife was here.

She listened to the whole thing.

And they're like, all right, well, we'll see.

Two to three weeks goes by and nothing.

And I'm like, terrified.

I'm like, great, someone got to him.

Someone made him think I was the evil man that the press said. Made him think what the short sellers believe.
And next thing you know, I'm sitting there on an architecture. And meanwhile, the government's looming over you to seize all your assets and put you in jail.
They did. I was three, I was a few days late on a filing because it was like all my, it was an asset to seize all my assets it was a filing to seize all my assets it would they've they asked my judge to allow him to take 660 million dollars from me when they couldn't prove a single dollar had ever been ever been ever been lost or or anything that like i had nothing wrong so that's part of reform when you'll talk about that you know that that's one of the things in reform needs to be the true, you know, it needs to be not what the government just says that you like, like has to be true.
Like show me someone who invested on my comment when they made it and how much they lost. They couldn't find one person that ever did ever.
They searched every investor that ever invested in NICLA. They could never find one person that said they invested based upon the comments that they took me to trial for.
And what the losses from that none zero so it was uh 660 million and we were a few days late on our filing and um we uh and then all of a sudden i'm on the i'm on a call with our architects and attorneys and chelsea chelsea uh like all of a sudden i get a call and it was a florida number and i was, I better take this. I usually don't answer calls that I don't know numbers from because I get so much spam, but it was a Florida number.
And I thought, okay, maybe. And it comes online, Trevor? Yeah.
Trevor, it's President Trump. How you doing? And I said, I'm doing okay, Mr.
President. And he says, oh, he says, boy, are you going to be doing

better today? He says, I wanted to let you know that I'm sitting in front of your pardon right now and I'm about to sign it. But I wanted you on the phone when I signed it.
And then he said something to me that was really the most powerful thing I've ever heard probably in my life. And he says, I'm doing something for you that they never did for me.
And it was one of the most, it was like no one can do for me, like except for him. He may be the only person that can ever do it for himself, but as a president, whatever those constitutional powers are.
But essentially what he told me in that moment was i almost broke

down bawling in this because it was it was like out of everything that's what i took more powerfully

than anything is that trevor i'm giving you something that i've long wished i could have

been given and i can't no one did it for me but i'm doing it for you and i almost busted down because it was really like a religious moment for me.

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And I almost busted down because it was really like a religious moment for me.

It was a moment of like,

of like where I felt like God was sometimes like,

that's the moment where God was like,

I didn't do anything,

but I had to let the evil man of the world murder me

and hang me on a cross and suffer for days

beyond any human could ever comprehend.