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Speaker 4 Mr. Secretary, thank you for doing this.

Speaker 4 I remember the night that Trump won talking to people in Washington and their doomsday scenario, the thing that they feared more than North Korea getting the bomb was you becoming Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Speaker 4 They really were afraid because they felt it was a threat, not just

Speaker 4 to them, but to the whole business of the city. And I think a lot, I mean, there's a reason they felt that way, and they probably still do.
So what's that been like?

Speaker 4 What's the opposition been like, the organized opposition to your program?

Speaker 2 Well, you know, the irony is I'm not really getting opposition directly from the industry most of the industry um wants things from this department

Speaker 2 and we want to get you know we want american industry to profit the pharmaceutical companies everything else

Speaker 2 and so um and i think they know that and they know that we're working with them we're not

Speaker 2 They also know they've been getting away with stuff up till now and that that era is over.

Speaker 2 I get opposition from proxies to the industry.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think the major opposition that I feel

Speaker 2 is from the mainstream media and from Democrats, which is really,

Speaker 2 that is an interesting phenomenon because these were people I was friends with my whole life.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I am not changed and my values have not changed. And

Speaker 2 the policies that I've been advocating have not changed.

Speaker 2 But the party has just a knee-jerk reaction against anything that is Trump.

Speaker 2 And you know that, that President Trump's in this kind of

Speaker 2 really paradoxical

Speaker 2 position where he not only has completely taken over

Speaker 2 the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 and dictates its platform, but he's also dictating the platform for the Democratic Party. I noticed that.
So if, you know, if

Speaker 2 I remember I saw this for the first time on NAFTA.

Speaker 2 Democrats traditionally were against NAFTA, and as soon as President Trump came out against NAFTA, all the Democrats

Speaker 2 were now for NAFTA.

Speaker 2 The Democrats were the anti-war party, but as soon as he expressed his opposition to the Ukraine war,

Speaker 2 they became the war party.

Speaker 2 The Democrats traditionally were the biggest critics of the CIA and the intelligence agencies. And

Speaker 2 as soon as President Trump started complaining about the power of the intelligence agencies in Washington,

Speaker 2 they became bonded with the intelligence agencies to the extent where they had for the first time in history a former CIA director

Speaker 2 speaking at their convention

Speaker 2 immediately before Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 They were the party of free speech, and they became, you know, when President Trump started advocating for free speech and his ability to

Speaker 2 talk, you know, the shutdowns of him on Twitter and these other really crazy

Speaker 2 efforts to suppress the speech of a former president.

Speaker 2 He became a major advocate of free speech, and the Democrats are now openly

Speaker 2 for censorship. The Democratic Party

Speaker 2 was the party of women's sports. My uncle wrote Title IX,

Speaker 2 making sure that women had the right to and had the equal access to the resources

Speaker 2 that they could play sports.

Speaker 2 And the Democratic Party has become

Speaker 2 the party

Speaker 2 that is now the enemy of women's sports.

Speaker 2 And you can go on and on with those

Speaker 2 examples, but President Trump is literally dictating the platform of the Democratic Party, anything that he says they're going to be against.

Speaker 2 And, you know, that is also a departure from tradition. My father

Speaker 2 was very critical of partisanship.

Speaker 2 I remember him telling us when we were kids, I don't vote for the Democratic Republic. I vote for the person, whoever is the post best in the job.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, that

Speaker 2 partisanship by its nature is dishonest, and it is the enemy of democracy. And that in Washington, George Washington's farewell speech, he said that.

Speaker 2 He said he was very scared of the ride, frightened about the rise.

Speaker 2 of the political party because they would become self-interested rather than patriotic.

Speaker 2 They would become interested in promoting their own agendas

Speaker 2 rather than the agenda of the country. And he thought that

Speaker 2 that was a real threat to American democracy and to the

Speaker 2 great

Speaker 2 experiment that we have in democracy.

Speaker 4 I remember your first break with the Democratic Party and with personal friends, even members of your family was a Rolling Stone piece that you wrote about autism, asking why have autism rates risen?

Speaker 4 And you were kind of written out of PlayStation Society for doing that. One of the first things you did as secretary, I think, tell me if I'm misstating it, is commissioned a kind of study of autism.

Speaker 4 Can you tell us what that is? What are you seeking to do with that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you know, the studies,

Speaker 2 there are a handful of studies that CDC has generated on autism. They were all epidemiological studies.

Speaker 2 And they all say what the CDC wanted them to say is they couldn't find a link.

Speaker 2 The problem is that the Institute of Medicine, which is part of the National Academy of Sciences,

Speaker 2 had said in 2001 that the link between autism and vaccine is biologically plausible.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 they were highly critical of the way that

Speaker 2 CDC was making decisions about the vaccine schedule, that it was, you know,

Speaker 2 this group ACIP, which is an external panel,

Speaker 2 which which has the responsibility of deciding which new vaccines will be added to the schedule,

Speaker 2 they had essentially been captured by industry. The people who serve on that panel, almost all of them, have

Speaker 2 financial entanglements with the industry.

Speaker 2 And the Institute of Medicine recommended a litany, a retinue of studies, including animal models,

Speaker 2 observational studies, bench studies,

Speaker 2 and epidemiological studies.

Speaker 2 They said, you need this whole rent nude to answer this question. And the CDC never did those.

Speaker 2 Instead, it commissioned

Speaker 2 the creation of these six epidemiological studies, and none of them does what. All of them were,

Speaker 2 they use fraudulent techniques. You know, they say statistics don't lie, but statisticians do.

Speaker 2 And epidemiological studies are very easy to manipulate but none of those studies did what you would want what you would do if you wanted to find the answer which is to compare outcomes in a fully vaccinated group to health outcomes in an unvaccinated group

Speaker 2 and cdc did that study in 1999

Speaker 2 they brought in a team of um

Speaker 2 of scientists under a Belgian researcher named Thomas Verstratten.

Speaker 2 And they looked at the data. They looked at children who had received the hepatitis vaccine within the first 30 days of life

Speaker 2 and compared those children to children who had received the vaccine later or not at all.

Speaker 2 And they found an 11, 135%

Speaker 2 elevated risk of autism among the vaccinated children.

Speaker 2 And it shocked them. They kept the study secret and then they manipulated it through five different iterations

Speaker 2 to try to bury the link. And, you know, we know how they did it.
They got rid of all the older children, essentially, and just had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed. And they

Speaker 2 stratified the data and they did a lot of other tricks. And all of those studies were the subject of

Speaker 2 that kind of trickery. And so what we're going to do now, and meanwhile, the external literature is showing

Speaker 2 over 100 studies that show that there indicate that there is a link.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 what we're going to do now is we're going to do all the kind of studies that the Institute of Medicine originally recommended.

Speaker 2 And we're going to do observational studies, retrospective studies, and epidemiological studies.

Speaker 2 We're going to do real science. And the way that we're going to do that is we're going to make the databases public for the first time.

Speaker 2 We've gone into CDC. We've gotten the data from CMS, which is Medicaid and Medicare.

Speaker 2 We're getting the data from the vaccine safety data link, which is the biggest repository for

Speaker 2 HMO health records. So those records would have all the

Speaker 2 records of vaccination and then the subsequent health claims. And you can do a cluster analysis and look at, see if there's an association.

Speaker 2 And we're going to do some in-house studies ourselves, but more importantly,

Speaker 2 we're going to make this data available for independent scientists so everybody can look at it. And then

Speaker 2 we have already put out

Speaker 2 requests,

Speaker 2 grant requests,

Speaker 2 the general scientific community, so that any scientists with credentials can apply for a grant and tell us how they want to go about studying these.

Speaker 2 And so we're going to get, you know, we're going to get real studies done for the first time.

Speaker 2 And we should have some answers by September, some initial indicator answers. And then it'll take over the next six months, these large studies by independent scientists all over the world.

Speaker 2 We anticipate there'll probably be about 15 different major teams who are all trying to answer this question.

Speaker 2 And within six months, we'll have definitive answers after September.

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Speaker 4 And is it your expectation that those answers will differ from kind of status quo understanding?

Speaker 2 I think they will.

Speaker 2 You know, my opinion, I always tell people, is irrelevant.

Speaker 2 We, you know,

Speaker 2 people,

Speaker 2 we need to stop trusting the experts, right? We were told at the beginning of COVID,

Speaker 2 don't look at any data yourself, don't do any investigation yourself, just trust the experts. And

Speaker 2 trusting the experts is not a

Speaker 2 feature of science. It's not a feature of democracy.

Speaker 2 It's a feature of religion and it's a feature of totalitarianism.

Speaker 2 In democracies, we have the obligation,

Speaker 2 and it's one of the burdens of citizenship to do do our own research and make our own determinations about things. Mothers, when they go shopping,

Speaker 2 they don't trust the advertising. A good mother does not trust the advertising.
They don't trust what they hear. They do their own research, and it's a much harder way to live.

Speaker 2 But, you know, that is one of the burdens of living in a democracy: is that we, you know, we do our own research, we make up our own minds, and

Speaker 2 that's the way it should be done.

Speaker 2 And we're going to give people gold standard science. We're going to publish our protocols in advance.

Speaker 2 We're going to tell people what we're doing.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 then we're going to use data. And we're going to publish the peer reviews, which is never published by CDC studies.

Speaker 2 We're going to publish anytime that we can the raw data.

Speaker 2 we're going to allow and then we're going to require replication of every study, which never happens in NIH now. That's something new that we're bringing in,

Speaker 2 is that every study will be replicated.

Speaker 4 I thought that was like a basic precept of science. We can't know something unless it can be, unless the experiment showing it can be replicated, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 that is a basic precept of science. And

Speaker 2 unfortunately, it has

Speaker 2 the kind of science that was done by NIH, you know, and NIH was the gold standard agency when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 But they stopped doing that. And it

Speaker 2 incentivized a lot of cheating. And the reason it incentivizes cheating is that

Speaker 2 if you're a scientist, your career depends on how much you publish.

Speaker 2 And so if you have a hypothesis and you say, this is my hypothesis, this is the study that I want to do, and you get a grant from NIH,

Speaker 2 and the hypothesis turns out to be wrong, You know, it doesn't,

Speaker 2 the science does not support it.

Speaker 2 A lot of times you cannot get that study published. That's science.
It's science when you, when you, you know, a null hypothesis is science and it ought to be published, but the

Speaker 2 journals won't do it. And also the journals won't publish anything that is

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 critical of vaccines. They just they won't do it because there's so much pressure on them.

Speaker 2 They're funded by the pharmaceutical companies

Speaker 2 and they'll lose advertising. They'll lose revenue from reprints if they don't do that.
So even Marcia Engel,

Speaker 2 who was a long time, I think 25 years at the New England Journal of Medicine, she said, you can't believe anything that's in the scientific journals anymore.

Speaker 2 Richard Orton, who's the longtime editor of The Lancet, is the same thing. He says, we've become propaganda vessels for the pharmaceutical companies.

Speaker 2 And the pharmaceutical company, now you have to pay to get something published in these journals. And so the pharmaceutical companies pay for something.

Speaker 2 They give a, you know, they hire these, you know, these mercenary scientists, we call them biostites,

Speaker 2 to do a study that will validate their product. and, you know, say that this statin drug works against heart attacks.
And they'll mess with the data because they want it published.

Speaker 2 They're being paid by the pharmaceutical companies.

Speaker 2 And then once it's published,

Speaker 2 the journal will make available preprints. The preprint is a little, like a little magazine with the logo of the Lancet on the front.

Speaker 2 And it has that one article that says this statin drug works or this SSRI works.

Speaker 2 And then they have tens of thousands of pharmaceutical reps who will take those journal articles and go to every doctor's office in the country and say, you know, and they're usually,

Speaker 2 let me put it this way, hot-looking women, or, you know, and they'll

Speaker 2 go take the doctor out to lunch. They'll say, you know, why don't you start prescribing this drug?

Speaker 2 And they'll incentivize the doctor in all kinds of ways to do that. And so the doctors also have their own incentives, you know, preferred incentives.

Speaker 2 There's a published article out there now that says that 50% of revenues to most pediatricians come from vaccines.

Speaker 2 And then there's a whole structure where Blue Cross and the other insurance companies

Speaker 2 pay bonuses to the pediatrician to make sure if, for example, 95% of their, if their clients are fully vaccinated, they get a huge bonus. It could be tens of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 And that's why you're a pediatrician, if you say, I want to go slow on the vaccines or I want to have a little different schedule, your pediatrician will throw you out of his practice

Speaker 2 because you're now jeopardizing that bonus structure.

Speaker 2 And these are all perverse incentives that stop doctors from actually practicing medicine and caring for the client because they're looking at the bottom line.

Speaker 2 20 years ago, 20% of the doctors in this country worked for corporations.

Speaker 2 Today, 80% do. And that corporation is telling you, you know, we don't care what happens to your patient.
You know, we care about how much revenue you're generating.

Speaker 2 And, you know, these doctors are coming out of medical schools with ginormous bills that will bankrupt them if they don't have a job.

Speaker 2 And so they're under tremendous pressure just to

Speaker 2 keep generating those funds. And the whole system, as you know,

Speaker 2 is just a bundle of perverse incentives

Speaker 2 where everybody is making money by keeping us sick.

Speaker 2 And I'm not saying that's deliberate or purposeful

Speaker 2 or

Speaker 2 planned in any way. It's just the incentive system that everybody makes money.

Speaker 2 Insurance companies make money if you're sick, ironically. They make more money if the population is sick.
And, you know, that may seem counterintuitive to people.

Speaker 2 And a guy said to me once who worked for AIG,

Speaker 2 one of the big insurance companies, he said,

Speaker 2 I said, I want to go with some data to AIG and show them that

Speaker 2 what they're doing is actually, I can show them on paper.

Speaker 2 What they're doing is actually making their people sicker. And they're the one group that you would think would want healthy people because they'd have to pay out less.

Speaker 2 And this guy said to me, think of it this way. If you're Lloyds of London and you insure all the shipping in the world,

Speaker 2 is it better for you if one ship sinks a year or if 500 sink a year? And

Speaker 2 I said to him,

Speaker 2 it's better if only one sinks. And he said, no, it's better if 500 sink because then everybody has to get insurance.
And what the insurance companies are collecting money

Speaker 2 is friction.

Speaker 2 They're taking a cut of the revenues that come through them. The more people that buy insurance, it doesn't matter what the claims are.
If the claims are high, they just raise their premiums.

Speaker 2 And it's the amount of money that flows in the system that gives them money. So they're making money that way.
The doctors are making money from keeping us sick.

Speaker 2 The hospitals are making money from keeping us sick. The pharmaceutical companies are making money from keeping us sick.
So every level of the system

Speaker 2 is incentivized financially, no matter what your intention is as a doctor. If you're a doctor, of course you don't want sick patients.

Speaker 2 But there's tremendous pressure from every angle of the system to actually,

Speaker 2 you know, to keep us all sick.

Speaker 2 And we're now the sickest nation in the world.

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Speaker 8 Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

Speaker 7 Could you be more specific?

Speaker 9 When it's convenient.

Speaker 2 Okay.

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Speaker 10 Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at AMPM.

Speaker 7 I'm seeing a pattern here.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, we're talking about what I crave.

Speaker 7 Which is anything from A.M. p.m.

Speaker 2 What more could you want? Stop by A.M. P.M.
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Speaker 4 There's all kinds of crap they're putting in this food that should not be in your body. Seed oils, for example.

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Speaker 4 One of the reasons that there hasn't been much of a discussion, you said there were signals in 1999 that there was a connection between autism and vaccines.

Speaker 4 The response from the American media was just to throw you out, take away your New York Times presence, ban you from Rolling Stone, et cetera, attack you as a Nazi.

Speaker 4 You made the point years later that the reason that happened was because pharmaceutical companies are the single biggest source of revenue for a lot of media companies, and they're buying the protection with that money.

Speaker 2 That's another perverse incentive, right?

Speaker 4 Absolutely. I think we're one of only two countries in the world that allow that.
Can that be stopped?

Speaker 2 That's a question that we are looking at right now.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there's a bad Supreme Court case from a couple of years ago that

Speaker 2 essentially anointed pharmaceutical advertising with First Amendment protection.

Speaker 2 The First Amendment protects political speech. So

Speaker 2 if you're saying something

Speaker 2 political,

Speaker 2 you should have absolute protection under the First Amendment.

Speaker 2 If commercial speech has a lower level of protection,

Speaker 2 and the

Speaker 2 pharmaceutical advertising was regulated as commercial speech, and it was until 1990, really around 1992.

Speaker 2 It was, you didn't see pharmaceutical advertising. There was no direct-to-consumer advertising on TV.
And after

Speaker 2 that, and then there were more changes made in 1997, that's when it became,

Speaker 2 you know, it exploded.

Speaker 2 And today, Roger Ailes, who both you and I knew, you know, I had this very Roger Ailes for your audience who doesn't know him, which I think most of them do,

Speaker 2 was the founder of Fox News. And I had this odd relationship with him because politically we were at loggerheads.

Speaker 2 But I had spent, when I was on 19 years old, I spent three months with him in a tent in Africa.

Speaker 2 And I, and we developed a friendship then. And as you know, he was a very, you know, he was a very engaging guy.
He was very witty, really fun to be with,

Speaker 2 very paranoid, but at the same time, brilliant. Yes.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he and so he was very kind to me. He was a very loyal friend to me.

Speaker 2 And he would make Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and Neil Cavuto and all the other hosts who your former colleagues put me on TV to talk about the environment, even though he didn't agree with me on it.

Speaker 2 He made them put me on.

Speaker 2 So during the 80s and 90s, I was the only environmentalist who was going on Fox News.

Speaker 2 But I brought him one time this

Speaker 2 around, I think it was like 2014, I brought him

Speaker 2 a documentary that we had done about mercury and vaccines. And

Speaker 2 he had,

Speaker 2 he watched it, he was completely sold on it. He had a family member who had been affected.

Speaker 2 He felt

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 he said, but I can't put you on because if I did

Speaker 2 If any of my hosts allowed you on to talk about this issue, I would have to fire them. And if I didn't, I would get a call from Ruper within 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 And he said, for the evening news division, about 75% of the advertising revenues are coming from pharma. And then he told me something that,

Speaker 2 if I remember it correctly, he said that on the typical evening news show, there are 22 ads

Speaker 2 and 17 of those are pharmaceutical ads.

Speaker 2 And so this was the principal source of revenue. And for a lot of these television networks, it's keeping them alive.
As you know, they're all, you know, kind of collapsing financially.

Speaker 4 Collapsing due to lack of popular demand for their presence. Right.

Speaker 4 So, could you end that? Do you have the authority as the Secretary of Health and Human Services to say no more farm ads on television?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 you know, a lot of the pharmaceutical ads are

Speaker 2 misleading. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 even the music and the

Speaker 2 and the, you know, the

Speaker 2 video, the photos or the, that they show, the scenes that they show are that's kind of speech and it's misleading. It's sending a message.

Speaker 2 And if you take this drug, you're going to be riding jetsters and skis and playing volleyball and, you know,

Speaker 2 and water skiing. And

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Speaker 2 the side effects, meanwhile, are rolling, you know, at 80 miles an hour, and that's misleading. And so one of the things that we uh you know that we're we're looking at is is making them

Speaker 2 uh be more honest about what they

Speaker 2 what they show so that the the public is you know and you know this form of advertising

Speaker 2 is insidious for a number of reasons. That's why they don't allow it anywhere else in the world.

Speaker 2 New Zealand has a very, very limited allowance of direct-to-consumer advertising, very, very highly controlled compared to us. It's nothing.

Speaker 2 People who come over here from England or Europe and watch our TV are shocked by what they're seeing on it. And it's insidious because of this.

Speaker 2 The pharmaceutical advertisers are advertising the most expensive version of every drug.

Speaker 2 They're not going to advertise the generics because they're not making any money. So they're advertising the ones that are the highest profit margins to them.

Speaker 2 And normally, if you see an advertisement on TV,

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Speaker 2 When somebody buys a pharmaceutical drug,

Speaker 2 it's Medicaid and Medicare that are paying for it.

Speaker 2 It's us, it's the taxpayer. So they're advertising something to the consumer where the consumer has no skin in the game.

Speaker 2 And then the consumer, and

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Speaker 2 So we're paying for them to advertise. And the advertisements are getting people to buy drugs that may be ineffective,

Speaker 2 that may be the least effective drug of the ones that are available.

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Speaker 2 The doctors hate it. The American Medical Association has been against it for, you know, for 30 years.

Speaker 2 And nobody thinks that this is good for public health. It is hurting us and it's distorting the markets and it is not, it's not,

Speaker 2 you can't even call it a free market because everything's paid for by the federal government.

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Speaker 4 So if in starting in September, when we start to see the results of the analysis of these massive data sets that you're putting out there in public,

Speaker 4 and if it becomes clear that there is a connection between autism and vaccines, vaccines the government promoted, in some cases, effectively required, that's a tort.

Speaker 4 I mean, that means there are a lot of injured people who can now show they were injured by this product.

Speaker 4 how are they made whole?

Speaker 2 What happens to them?

Speaker 2 Well, that's going to be complicated because in 1986,

Speaker 2 Congress passed an act, the Vaccine Act,

Speaker 2 the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program,

Speaker 2 and they

Speaker 2 gave the

Speaker 2 vaccine companies immunity from liability. So, no matter how reckless the company is, no matter how

Speaker 2 toxic the product, no matter how egregious your injury, you cannot sue them.

Speaker 2 And that's one of the problems is and that actually is why we, one of the reasons we had this explosion of the vaccination

Speaker 2 program.

Speaker 2 When I was a kid, we only had three vaccines. And

Speaker 2 by 1986, the year the act was passed,

Speaker 2 there were 11 doses of, I think,

Speaker 2 five vaccines.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 today, there are a child

Speaker 2 to go to school in states like California and New York and many other states where you have mandates.

Speaker 2 An American child now has to receive between 69 and 92 vaccines

Speaker 2 between conception. So some of those are given to the mom during pregnancy

Speaker 2 and age 18.

Speaker 2 And the reason it's 69 to 82

Speaker 2 is some of the vaccines have,

Speaker 2 the different brands have different dose requirements. So some will require three doses, some will require one dose, some will require four doses.

Speaker 2 But that's a lot of vaccines for a kid. And each one of those is calculated, is

Speaker 2 designed to permanently alter your immune system.

Speaker 2 And so we have now this epidemic of immune dysregulation in our country, you know, and

Speaker 2 there's no way to rule out

Speaker 2 vaccines as one of the key culprits. And if you look at all of these diseases that have become epidemic,

Speaker 2 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, all of these seizure disorders, the neurological disorders like ADD, ADHD, speech-lay, language-delayed, ticks, Tourette syndrome, narcolepsy,

Speaker 2 ASD, autism, all the diseases

Speaker 2 you and I never saw when we were kids. And suddenly

Speaker 2 this generation is damaged, is incredibly damaged by all these diseases. The autoimmune diseases like diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, the allergic diseases like peanut allergies, anaphylaxis,

Speaker 2 eczema. Did you ever know anybody with eczema? No.
Right. So, and now it's ubiquitous in every classroom.

Speaker 2 And all of those injuries are listed as side effects on the manufacturers inserts of those products.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 we would have to be blind

Speaker 2 to not say we have to look at this as a potential culprit. We have to do the studies that the Institute of Medicine has been

Speaker 2 telling the CDC to do for 25 years. The Institute of Medicine told CDC in 2013 there are 151,

Speaker 2 158 injuries

Speaker 2 that are suspected to be vaccine injuries. Only 38 of those have been studied and almost most of those it was positive.
It was yeah this is a vaccine injury. The other 120

Speaker 2 whatever and I'm not doing the math my head but the others have never been studied. CDC's job is to study them.
And yet it never studied them.

Speaker 2 And that was purposeful. And i'm not saying that out of speculation i'm saying that because i've seen the emails

Speaker 2 and cdc deliberately um

Speaker 2 uh derailed any study on that and and if somebody does independent scientists does do a study they can't get it published

Speaker 2 the scientific publishers will not publish a study that is critical vaccine so

Speaker 2 We need to change that taboo. And that's one of the things J.
Bhattachara is doing at NIH,

Speaker 2 Is we're going to remove the taboo about talking about this issue, and we're going to be honest with the American public.

Speaker 4 It's pretty clear from the VARES self-reporting vaccine injury system,

Speaker 4 federal system, that vaccine injuries with the COVID vaccine jumped

Speaker 4 to multiples of what had been reported before.

Speaker 2 Do they?

Speaker 2 There were more injuries reported

Speaker 2 from VARES by

Speaker 2 the COVID vaccine than all other vaccines put together for the past 36 years.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I'll tell you something else. There's a lot of people out there who say, you know, this is part of

Speaker 2 the consensus.

Speaker 2 You'll see this on every mainstream. Anderson, Cooper, Jake, Tapper, all of these guys

Speaker 2 say again and again that the

Speaker 2 link between autism vaccines has been debunked, right? It's been studied.

Speaker 2 But those studies that I was talking about earlier, the epidemiological studies, they only looked at one vaccine, the MMR, and one ingredient, thimerosol.

Speaker 2 None of the vaccines that are

Speaker 2 administered to children during the first six months of life

Speaker 2 have ever been studied for autism. In fact, the Institute of Medicine

Speaker 2 said that they looked at this issue. You know, has it been debunked?

Speaker 2 And they said, no, these studies have never been done on the vaccines that are the most likely cold bread which is you know dtap fb i have the

Speaker 2 pneumococcal the the vaccines in the first six months none of them they said the only one that has ever been studied is dtap

Speaker 2 and which is diphtheria tetanus and protosis

Speaker 2 And they said that the one study that was done showed that, yeah, there was a link with autism, but we're not going to count that study

Speaker 2 because it was based on the FARES system, which is CDC's only surveillance system. And they said that system is too unreliable.

Speaker 2 So, what they were saying, the Institute of Medicine, which is part of the National Academy of Sciences,

Speaker 2 the only system that CDC has to study vaccine injury is so bad that any study done on it, we're not going to count.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you something else.

Speaker 2 David Ketzer, who is a very famous surgeon general, who you remember,

Speaker 2 and many, many, many other people have said the VARES system does not work.

Speaker 2 And you need a new system. So in 2010, CDC designed a new system, and it was a machine counting system.
The problem with VARES, with the vaccine adverse event reporting system,

Speaker 2 is that it's voluntary. Yes.

Speaker 2 And so the doctor has to,

Speaker 2 if he sees a vaccine injury,

Speaker 2 he's required to report it to various.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 there's no penalty if he doesn't. It takes him a half an hour to fill out the paperwork.
So there's a big incentive for him not to do it. There's another incentive, though.

Speaker 2 He doesn't know if something is a vaccine injury.

Speaker 2 If you get a vaccine and then four months, four years later, you come in with a food allergy.

Speaker 2 How do you know?

Speaker 2 Will any doctor in the world say that's a vaccine injury

Speaker 2 or seizure disorders? And the other thing is, so they don't know what to look for. They've never been taught that at medical school.

Speaker 2 There's no course on vaccine injury in medical school, in any medical school in this country.

Speaker 2 And then the other thing is he has a big emotional incentive because he told that mom to give that child that vaccine.

Speaker 2 And if the child has a seizure three weeks later and she comes back

Speaker 2 and she says, I think it might be the vaccine. A lot of doctors will say, no, that's normal for that age, and they're not going to call it into various.

Speaker 2 So, CDC

Speaker 2 designed a machine counting system that would do essentially a cluster analysis.

Speaker 2 They would look at the vaccine, and then they would look at clusters of injuries that were unique or anomalous to that vaccine. And it was a very accurate system, according to the

Speaker 2 group that designed it. It was a team led by a guy called Lazarus.

Speaker 2 And CDC paid for the whole thing, millions of dollars, and it was a long-term study. And they looked at one HMO, which was Harvard Pilgrim up in Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 they did

Speaker 2 this machine counting system

Speaker 2 for Harvard Pilgrim.

Speaker 2 And then they compared what the machine counting system had gotten, you know, had yielded and collected in terms of vaccine injuries.

Speaker 2 And they compared that to what VARES had collected during the same period at Harvard Pilgrim.

Speaker 2 And they said that VARES was capturing fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries.

Speaker 2 And they had a system now that would capture over 95%.

Speaker 2 And they were very proud. And they brought it to CDC and said, our system works.
Here's the data.

Speaker 2 The data showed injuries in about 2.7% of vaccines. Of all vaccines? Yeah, all vaccines.
About 2.7%.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Which I think is something like one out of every 37 vaccines you get,

Speaker 2 there's an injury. And

Speaker 2 EDC saw that and said, we're not going to use the system.

Speaker 2 And they shelved it in 2010, and they've continued to use VARES now for 22 years when they know that it doesn't work, when they know it is designed to fail.

Speaker 2 We're going to absolutely change VARES and we're going to make it, we're going to create either within VARES

Speaker 2 or

Speaker 2 supplementary to VARES, a system that actually works.

Speaker 2 And, you know,

Speaker 2 right now,

Speaker 2 even that system is antiquated because we have access to AI. And one of the, you know, we are creating here at HHS an AI revolution.

Speaker 2 We've been able to attract the top people from Silicon Valley, people who've walked away from billion-dollar businesses, and they don't want prestige, they don't want position, they don't want power, they want to change, they want to make the system work.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we're going to,

Speaker 2 we are at the cutting edge of AI. We're implementing it in all of our departments.
At FDA, we're accelerating drug approvals

Speaker 2 so that you don't need to use primates or even animal models.

Speaker 2 You can do the drug approvals very, very quickly with AI.

Speaker 2 And we're also implementing CMS to detect waste, abuse, and fraud, which is extraordinary at that.

Speaker 2 But we're also going to use it

Speaker 2 at CDC

Speaker 2 and throughout our system

Speaker 2 to look at the megadata that we have and be able to make really good decisions about interventions. For example,

Speaker 2 if you look at the population as a whole and say, okay, we're using three different diabetes drugs or five different statin drugs or all these SSRIs and others, you can then look drug by drug and you can tell on the population whether it's working or not and which one is giving you the best bang of the button, which one has the most side effects.

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Speaker 4 What about all the people who are injured by the COVID vacc? There are a lot of them. I know a lot of them.

Speaker 4 Some died. Some were permanently disabled.
Nobody seems to care. You never hear about them.
And

Speaker 4 they don't seem to be getting any help.

Speaker 4 Will that change?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's going to change. I mean, as I said, the big impediment impediment is

Speaker 2 the 1986 Vaccine Act. Yes.
And

Speaker 2 so it's complicated about how we fix this, you know, so that we can get compensation to those people.

Speaker 2 We just brought a guy in this week who's going to be

Speaker 2 revolutionizing the

Speaker 2 vaccine injury compensation program,

Speaker 2 which is a program that was you know, when when Congress or or when Congress passed the Vaccine Act and gave immunity from liability to vaccine companies,

Speaker 2 it recognized that vaccines were, in the word of the,

Speaker 2 in the description, the characterization

Speaker 2 of the American Academy of Pediatrics were unavoidably unsafe. And some people, like for every medicine,

Speaker 2 Some people are going to be injured and killed. And so it set up a program that's in the federal government called the Vaccine Courts, and they have a trust fund.

Speaker 2 The trust fund is endowed by a 75% surcharge on every vaccine.

Speaker 2 And that program is supposed to, there's supposed to be a vaccine court that's supposed to be generous and fast and gives a tie to the runner. In other words, if there's doubts about

Speaker 2 whether somebody's injury came from a vaccine or not, you're going to assume they got it

Speaker 2 and compensate them.

Speaker 2 And it's paid out over $5 billion

Speaker 2 now to about 12,000 people.

Speaker 2 And we're looking at ways to enlarge that program so that COVID vaccine injured people can be compensated.

Speaker 2 And we're changing the program so that,

Speaker 2 you know, we're looking at ways to enlarge the statute of limitations. It was only three years.
A lot of people don't discover their injuries after that.

Speaker 2 and there's no discovery in that program. There's no rules of evidence.
The program has devolved into

Speaker 2 lawyers from the justice. You're not suing the vaccine company.

Speaker 2 You're petitioning my agency. And it's represented traditionally by the Department of Justice.

Speaker 2 And the lawyers in the Department of Justice, the leaders of it were corrupt. And

Speaker 2 they saw their job

Speaker 2 as protecting the trust fund rather than taking care of people who made this national sacrifice.

Speaker 2 And we're going to change all that. And I've brought in a team this week that is starting to work on that this week.

Speaker 2 So, you know, that's one of the things we're doing, but we're looking at everything.

Speaker 4 What's the status of the COVID vaccine? Who gets it? What are the recommendations and why?

Speaker 2 The recommendations now are

Speaker 2 that children under 18 are not recommended to get the vaccine, but they can get it if they want. You know, it's through

Speaker 2 a joint consultation with their physician

Speaker 2 who is available to them.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there's a new version of the COVID vaccine that just came out.

Speaker 2 that was approved by FDA, and that vaccine is going to actually do real clinical trials. So, and it's being given to people who are 65 years old or have profound

Speaker 2 comorbidities.

Speaker 2 But the agreement with the company is that everybody who takes it will be part of a clinical trial. So, we'll actually get some real data.
And as you know, there was just data chaos with the other

Speaker 2 vaccine. In fact, you know, the Pfizer vaccine, when it came out,

Speaker 2 it had a higher

Speaker 2 all-cause mortality. So more people died in the placebo group.
I mean, more people died in the vaccine group than in the placebo group.

Speaker 2 It had 20,000 people who got the vaccine, 20,000 who didn't. And after six months, they looked at it, and there was 23% more deaths in the vaccinated group from all causes.

Speaker 2 than in the placebo group. And the efficacy was kind of dubious because

Speaker 2 there was only two people who died from COVID in the placebo group

Speaker 2 and there was one person who died from COVID in the vaccine group and that's the whole data set they were looking at and so they said

Speaker 2 you remember they were saying the vaccine is 100% effective well that's why they were saying it because there was uh there was

Speaker 2 two two is a hundred percent of one right

Speaker 2 100 larger than one so that but that's what they had but they were telling the American people, oh, it's 100% effective. And that, when people heard that, they thought,

Speaker 2 if you get the vaccine, you can't get COVID, which, of course, now we realize, now everybody realizes was wrong because everybody got COVID, whether they got the vaccine or not.

Speaker 2 And, you know, what they really should have been telling people is

Speaker 2 that in order to prevent one death from COVID, you had to give 19,999 vaccines.

Speaker 2 If any of those vaccines were killing people, you would cancel out the effect of, you know, the beneficial effect.

Speaker 4 Do you think the COVID, I mean, net net, as we say in business, just kidding, do you think overall the COVID vaccs killed more than it saved?

Speaker 2 My opinion about that is irrelevant.

Speaker 2 What we're going to try to do is make that science available so the public can look at the science.

Speaker 2 And I would not say one way or the other. And the truth is, I don't know.
And the reason I don't know is because

Speaker 2 the studies that were done by my agency were substandard, and they were not designed to answer that question. And there's been a lot of obfuscation

Speaker 2 about

Speaker 2 covering up,

Speaker 2 as you know, about suppressing any kind of

Speaker 2 discussion of vaccine injuries. I mean, Mark Zuckerberg publicly

Speaker 2 said that he was ordered by the White House to suppress anybody on his platform on Facebook or Instagram

Speaker 2 who mentioned vaccine injuries.

Speaker 2 He was ordered by the Biden administration

Speaker 2 to, and he said, you know, he said, I was stunned. I was being ordered by the federal government to deny facts.

Speaker 2 And anybody can look him up on YouTube saying that. So, and we know that too, because I sued the Biden administration and we got all this discovery documents that showed that he was

Speaker 2 37 hours after he took the oath of office, swearing to uphold the Constitution,

Speaker 2 he opened up

Speaker 2 a group in the White House

Speaker 2 whose job it was to suppress any dissent about

Speaker 2 this government policy.

Speaker 2 And I was the first person that they went after.

Speaker 2 37 hours after he took that oath, they were telling Facebook to take me off of Instagram, which Facebook did.

Speaker 2 I had almost a million followers, and there was no vaccine misinformation on there. I asked Facebook again and again, show me one fact I got wrong.

Speaker 2 Everything I put on there that was vaccine related was cited and sourced to government databases or to peer-reviewed publications.

Speaker 2 But they were, you know, it was not,

Speaker 2 it wasn't misinformation. The word, in fact, they had to invent a new word,

Speaker 2 which is because Facebook was saying to the White House, this isn't misinformation, it's actually true. And the White House

Speaker 2 said, well, it's malinformation.

Speaker 2 Malinformation, this is an Orwellian kind of construct. And, you know, malinformation is information that is factually true, but it is nevertheless inconvenient for the government.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 all the people who are now running this agency were censored. O.J.
Bhatticharo was censored. Marty McCary was censored.
Dr. Oz was censored.
Vinay Prasad was censored. We were all sent.

Speaker 2 I was censored. I remember well.

Speaker 4 What's the status of the COVID vaccine pregnant women?

Speaker 2 The recommendation has been removed now for pregnant women.

Speaker 4 Are you satisfied that mRNA technology is safe for people?

Speaker 2 I'm not satisfied.

Speaker 2 Again,

Speaker 2 my opinion about that is irrelevant, but we will be doing those studies. And

Speaker 2 I would say there's a lot of skepticism in this agency about mRNA vaccines,

Speaker 2 about mRNA technology, about the status of it now,

Speaker 2 about whether it's safe. And we do not, you know, the safety studies simply have not been done, but there's enough anecdotal reports of people

Speaker 2 getting profound injuries that may or may not be associated with it. And we're going to answer those questions.

Speaker 4 What happened with the vaccine board? I keep reading you fired all these eminent scientists on the vaccine board.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I fired all these what?

Speaker 4 All these important, highly credentialed scientists.

Speaker 2 Well, we fired that board because they were, it was utterly, it was just an instrument. It was a sock puppet

Speaker 2 for the industry that it was supposed to regulate. So,

Speaker 2 you know, they,

Speaker 2 in fact, you know, and this was a long time coming, Tucker, in 2002,

Speaker 2 the Government Oversight Committee and the United States Congress held hearings about that board, which is called ACEP Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.

Speaker 2 And they said

Speaker 2 that 97% of the people on that board had undisclosed conflicts.

Speaker 2 Many of them had disclosed conflicts as well.

Speaker 2 They said that Congress said that, it gave an example. It said

Speaker 2 the rotavirus vaccine

Speaker 2 was approved by that board.

Speaker 2 And there were five members of that board at that time, and four of them had direct financial interests in the rotavirus vaccine.

Speaker 2 They were working for the companies that made the vaccine, or they were receiving grants to do clinical trials on that vaccine.

Speaker 2 They all had overwhelming financial interest.

Speaker 2 One of the people on that board was a guy called Paul Offutt, and who is one of the big voices for vaccines.

Speaker 2 CNN goes to him all the time when it wants to know about vaccines.

Speaker 2 He voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule when he had a rotavirus vaccine in development.

Speaker 2 Because it's now on the schedule, his developing vaccine is virtually guaranteed to get on the schedule. It's a competitive product.
But once you say rotavirus vaccine has to be vaccinated for,

Speaker 2 his vaccine is now guaranteed to get on the schedule. The one they voted on, that he voted on,

Speaker 2 within a year, it had to be withdrawn because it was causing this really disastrous disease in kids that is often lethal called instiception, agonizingly painful when your

Speaker 2 intestines kind of tie up against each other. It kills children, you know, on occasion.

Speaker 2 That vaccine was pulled the following year and his vaccine then replaced it. He was still on the committee.
He didn't vote on that, but he was still on the committee.

Speaker 4 But he voted to make rotavirus vaccine ministry for his schedule.

Speaker 2 And he

Speaker 2 then, he and his business partners,

Speaker 2 Stanley Plotkin and, you know, a couple of other people, sold that vaccine to Merck for $186 million.

Speaker 2 He told Newsweek that he won the lottery.

Speaker 2 You know, it's been said of him that he voted himself rich. So that and that kind of conflict was typical on that committee, but the most.

Speaker 4 Did people know this was going on? That's such an obvious thing.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 the Office of Inspector General in this department investigated and they said this is is a disaster. You've got to change it.

Speaker 2 Congress investigated and said, you've got to change it. And they did nothing.

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 most sort of glaring

Speaker 2 example of medical malpractice

Speaker 2 by this group

Speaker 2 is that they approved all these vaccines. We went from 11, remember, to 69 to 92.

Speaker 2 11 vaccines and 86. And not one of them had, except for COVID, COVID is the only one

Speaker 2 that had a pre-licensing safety trial that involved a placebo, a true placebo.

Speaker 2 And so all of those other vaccines were ushered in without safety studies. And that means nobody understands the risk profile of those products.
How can you do that? That's, they did it.

Speaker 2 It's corruption. And it's, you know, it's because of agency capture.

Speaker 2 It's because the companies that were making these products had, had, if you can get your vaccine on the schedule,

Speaker 2 it's generally typically about a billion dollars a year for your company because you now have a trapped market.

Speaker 4 With no downside.

Speaker 2 First of all, the federal government oftentimes actually

Speaker 2 designs the vaccine. NIH would design it.

Speaker 2 It would hand it over to the pharmaceutical company. The pharmaceutical company then runs it through ASIP

Speaker 2 and runs it first through FDA, then through ASIP and gets it recommended if you can get that recommendation you now got a billion dollars in in lease revenues by the end of the year every year forever so um

Speaker 2 so there was you know there was a gold rush to add new vaccines to the schedule and this and ASIM never turned away a single vaccine everyone that was that came to them they you know recommended

Speaker 2 and a lot of these vaccines are for

Speaker 2 diseases that are not even casually contagious.

Speaker 2 They recommended the hepatitis B vaccine

Speaker 2 for

Speaker 2 babies when they're an hour old, the first day of life, they get that. And hepatitis B, if your mother's got it, you should get it.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you can pass through maternal transmission.

Speaker 2 But every mother that goes to a hospital in this country is tested for it. So we know which ones are vulnerable, which aren't.

Speaker 2 Oh, but the mass vaccination of the entire population, including wild children, this is a disease

Speaker 2 you get through sexual transmission or you get it from sharing needles. And particularly,

Speaker 2 it was prevalent among

Speaker 2 promiscuous gay men.

Speaker 2 But a one-day-old baby,

Speaker 2 the risk to a one-day-old baby

Speaker 2 was one in seven million.

Speaker 4 Very few of whom are promiscuous.

Speaker 2 Very few of whom are, you know, involved in prostitution or drug addiction.

Speaker 2 So, you know, but it was a financial,

Speaker 2 they were all financial drivers. So, and a lot of the diseases

Speaker 2 that they target are not diseases.

Speaker 2 The vaccine itself does not prevent transmission.

Speaker 2 And so,

Speaker 2 you know, the justification for having it mandated is

Speaker 2 very ephemeral.

Speaker 2 And, you know, these are all things that we need to look at.

Speaker 2 We want to protect public health, but, you know, that means protecting against chronic disease, too. And, you know, these vaccines have

Speaker 2 there's nobody who will contest that they cause,

Speaker 2 that they can cause chronic diseases, chronic injuries that last a lifetime.

Speaker 4 So one of the reasons that the system has become so corrupt, I think it's fair to say, is Anthony Fauci, one of the longest-serving federal employees, who was the subject of one of the best-selling books of a couple of years ago, which you wrote, the real Anthony Fauci, amazing book.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 all this information about him was exposed to the world, and he gets some sign of cure at Georgetown and still has Secret Service protection. He seems to be thriving.

Speaker 2 He doesn't have a Secret Service protection any longer. No, President Trump

Speaker 2 took that away from him. But

Speaker 2 he got immunity.

Speaker 2 Why did he need immunity?

Speaker 2 Why did he need a pardon in advance?

Speaker 4 What do you think the answer is?

Speaker 2 I would be speculating, but

Speaker 2 I think there

Speaker 2 I think he was vulnerable. I think he had a lot of liability on creating coronavirus.

Speaker 2 He was funding

Speaker 2 precisely that research at the Wuhan lab.

Speaker 2 And he was giving them the technology. He was giving them,

Speaker 2 you know, he gave them not only the technology, the precise technology for developing that pathogen

Speaker 2 and published about it, by the way. And, you know, the publications credit NIH for

Speaker 2 the for financing the studies, But

Speaker 2 he also gave them one of his fundees, Ralph Barrick from the University of North Carolina, developed a technique called the seamless ligation technique, which is a technique for hiding the laboratory origins

Speaker 2 of a manipulated virus. So that normally, if there's a virus manipulated, you can look at it.
You know,

Speaker 2 researchers can look at it. They can look at the DNA sequences.

Speaker 2 And they can say this thing was created in a lab.

Speaker 2 Ralph Barak had developed a technique that he called the no-seum technique. And its technical name was seamless ligation.

Speaker 2 And it was a way of hiding evidence of human tampering.

Speaker 2 What is the public health rationale?

Speaker 2 If you were interested in public health, you would want to be doing the inverse of that. You would want to be pinning red flags all to it and say this was created by people.

Speaker 4 That's what you would do if you were creating viruses for biological warfare.

Speaker 2 Right, that's right. And but and that's another question: why would he give it to the Chinese? I mean, that was a military lab, it was run by the military.

Speaker 2 It's hard to even understand that.

Speaker 4 What do you, what would be the rationale for doing that?

Speaker 2 I, you know, I

Speaker 2 try not to look in other people's heads. I try, like in the Fauci book, I never look in and speculate about what his motives are.
I just say this is what he did.

Speaker 2 But I do think that there's

Speaker 2 among a lot of the people who are doing that kind of research, the gain of function research,

Speaker 2 their big

Speaker 2 career, economic, and professional incentives to

Speaker 2 break ground, to break new ground and say, you know, I just

Speaker 2 one of his um

Speaker 2 one of his fundies created a avian flu virus which can be very deadly to humans if you can make it do human-to-human transition

Speaker 2 um or transmission

Speaker 2 and he developed one that could jump to mammals why would you do that you know you're just you're inviting a catastrophe and and they published it and bragged about it

Speaker 2 and i think there's this kind of um

Speaker 2 I don't know whether I would call it a God complex or something where

Speaker 2 some of the people in that field seem to have

Speaker 2 this

Speaker 2 kind of get some kind of sense of omnipotence or something from developing something that can kill all of humanity.

Speaker 2 But I don't know.

Speaker 2 That is sheer speculation.

Speaker 4 That sounds right to me.

Speaker 4 So it sounds like Fauci is beyond the reach of the law at this point.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think generally, unless

Speaker 2 there was a truth commission, you know, which they did, as you know, in South Africa, and they did it in Central America after the

Speaker 2 1980s wars there. And they were very, very helpful to those societies.
And, you know, I think we should probably do something like that now. And in those cases,

Speaker 2 what happens is you have a commission that hears testimony on what exactly happened. Anybody who comes and volunteers to testify truthfully is then given immunity from prosecution.

Speaker 2 But so that at least the public knows who did what. Yes.

Speaker 2 And people

Speaker 2 who are called and don't take that deal and purge themselves,

Speaker 2 they then can be

Speaker 2 prosecuted criminally.

Speaker 4 We don't have a good track record of revealing the truth in a timely manner.

Speaker 4 As you know better than anybody, the president on January 23rd issued an executive order ordering the full declassification of files related to the murder of your uncle, father, and Martin Luther King.

Speaker 4 And,

Speaker 4 you know, we haven't seen all of them yet.

Speaker 4 Where is that process?

Speaker 4 Have your conclusions about any or all of those three murders changed on the basis of new documents?

Speaker 2 No, nothing's changed. I mean, you know, as you know, there's already millions of pages of documents out there.
And I think,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 in terms of my

Speaker 2 uncle's death, I think that,

Speaker 2 you know, that that ship has sailed.

Speaker 2 I don't think anybody who actually is willing to read the evidence now now

Speaker 2 will question the fact that my uncle was killed by a conspiracy. And that,

Speaker 2 in fact, Congress in 1973, when the church committee looked at it, I think it was 73, the

Speaker 2 75.

Speaker 2 The church committee, they said it was a conspiracy. That was the conclusion of the Congressional Committee.

Speaker 2 Warren Committee that was run by Alan Dulles, who was, you know,

Speaker 2 had a lot of reasons to lie

Speaker 2 and did lie throughout. And in fact, he said at one of the sessions, yeah, if we were involved in this, we would lie.
Oh, he said that.

Speaker 2 And he and he got himself put on that committee. And he was really, it should have been called the Dulles Commission.
You know,

Speaker 2 he said it's a single shooter.

Speaker 2 But then, you know, in 75, that was 64, so 11 years later,

Speaker 2 Congress investigated, and they had a much larger purview. They had much more data at that time.

Speaker 2 And they said it was a conspiracy. But since then, there's been a million documents released, and probably 30 people who were involved have made confessions,

Speaker 2 including many of the prime actors.

Speaker 2 And so I don't think there's any doubt that my uncle was killed by a conspiracy. My father

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 more difficult because we just don't have the data. It's never been investigated.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I've been trying to get an investigator. You know, one of the women who played

Speaker 2 potentially a key role in it was a woman called

Speaker 2 a woman in the polka-dot dress who was who was who appeared to be Sir Hans Handler.

Speaker 2 And that woman is living openly in Tarzana, California. Nobody's ever talked to her.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 she, you know, people should, this should be investigated and people should talk to her and, you know, really

Speaker 2 investigate the crime.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 and as you know, and I think I've talked to you about this before, that my father

Speaker 2 O'Sirhan

Speaker 2 was there. There were 77 eyewitnesses in the kitchen at the time, and he took two shots of my father.

Speaker 2 One of those shots hit Paul Schrade in the head, and Paul Schrade survived.

Speaker 2 And the other one hit the door jam behind my father, and it was later removed by the LAPD.

Speaker 2 And then Sirhan was grabbed by six people, including Rafer Johnson, Rosie Greer, Carl Ulrich, who was

Speaker 2 the manager of the Ambassador Hotel.

Speaker 2 And they turned his gun, they bent him over the steam table, and they turned his gun away from my father. But it had six more shots in it.

Speaker 2 And he emptied the chamber. So Sir Han, or Rafer told me that Sir Han had superhuman strength.
Sir Han is a little tiny guy.

Speaker 2 You know, and I've met him and talked to him.

Speaker 2 But he's a very, he's kind of a frail, I mean, he's frail now because he's older, but even then he was just a little tiny guy, you know, and was not particularly strong.

Speaker 2 And Rafer said he had superhuman strength and he could not pry the gun from his hand, and he fired six more shots. All those shots hit people.

Speaker 2 We know what happened to every

Speaker 2 shot in his gun.

Speaker 2 And my father was shot by four shots from behind.

Speaker 2 One of them passed harmlessly through the shoulder pad of his, this was Naguchi's autopsy,

Speaker 2 through the shoulder pad of his suit

Speaker 2 and all the others were contact shots meaning the the barrel of the gun was uh either touching his body or less than three inches from his body the the last shot that killed him was behind his left ear

Speaker 2 And that shot,

Speaker 2 Naguchi says, was from one to three inches from him. And Sir Anne was never behind him.
Sir Anne was always in front of him. And

Speaker 2 a guy who almost certainly took those shots was a security guard who had just gotten his job

Speaker 2 within a week before.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he was a,

Speaker 2 and my father fell down. My father must have known that he was being shot because

Speaker 2 the last thing he did was he turned and he tore off the clip on tie from Cesar. Cesar had him by the left hand and had steered him into the ambush.

Speaker 2 And he had his right hand, he had his right hand, his gun in his right hand. And he admitted it.
He was seen, you know,

Speaker 2 my father fell on him.

Speaker 2 He pushed my father off him and he had his gun drawn.

Speaker 2 And he was, the gun was not taken away from him by the LAPD, which had a terrible job, you know, not only a terrible, but a malevolent job because

Speaker 2 They destroyed 2,500 photographs that were taken that night before the trial. So there there were photographs, you know, 2,500 photographs in that kitchen and the ballroom.

Speaker 2 And the LIPD collected them and destroyed them all.

Speaker 2 And you have to ask, why would they do that?

Speaker 2 And a lot of the other evidence was also destroyed, including the door jams. And, you know, we have pictures of them,

Speaker 2 but we don't have the real thing. And then they never confiscated the gun from

Speaker 2 Cesar. and Cesar said that, oh, I had the gun out because I was going to shoot at Sir Han.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, that should be questioned.

Speaker 2 Were there any doctors?

Speaker 2 I'll just say this:

Speaker 2 Zane Cesar

Speaker 2 was working at that time.

Speaker 2 His job was working for

Speaker 2 the Lockheed plant in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 And he had a top security classification at that. And

Speaker 2 Lisa Pease, who's one of the researchers and authors who's written extensively about this, went through

Speaker 2 his background.

Speaker 2 And the only employer that he ever listed officially in his background was the CIA.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 there are a lot of questions, and we don't know the answers to them. You know, I was in contact with

Speaker 2 Cesar

Speaker 2 in 2019, 2020, negotiating with him. He had moved to the Philippines, and I was trying to see if he would talk to me.
And I was going to go over there and talk to him.

Speaker 2 And he said, I'll do it for $5,000. And then when I got close, he said, $10,000.

Speaker 2 And he said, $20,000. Then he said, $30,000.
And, you know, and then he just said, I'm not going to meet with you.

Speaker 2 Oh, you know, and then

Speaker 2 he's since passed away.

Speaker 2 So, you know, again, we don't know, but there are enough kind of flags on it that you would, you know, that if you were actually wanted to know answers, you would be asking questions.

Speaker 4 Are you confident that I know there's been some frustration about getting all the documents relevant to those three murders, those three assassinations.

Speaker 4 Are you confident that all of it will come out by the end of this time?

Speaker 2 I'm confident that President Trump will release anything that he has access to.

Speaker 2 But, you know, I don't expect anything groundbreaking to come from those documents because, first of all, with my uncle, we've already got everything. There may be little things like,

Speaker 2 you know, the calendar for Bill Harvey, who is one of the people who was in the CIA, who is almost certainly involved, and

Speaker 2 other things like that that would be, and then more evidence. I mean, you know, the evidence that came out the last tranche.

Speaker 2 The New York Times had to finally admit that

Speaker 2 Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset, which they've been denying for 50 years.

Speaker 2 They finally admitted, yeah, he was working for the CIA.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, there may be some more validation of what

Speaker 2 he was doing and how he was recruited, etc.

Speaker 2 But I don't think it's going to be anything groundbreaking. I don't think you need anything groundbreaking.
I think, listen, I was a prosecutor.

Speaker 2 If I had to try the case right now, you know, against a number of the people are dead, I believe I could win in front of a jury with it just with the evidence that we got. Yep.

Speaker 2 With my dad,

Speaker 2 you know, it was never investigated and that was deliberate.

Speaker 4 So last question. You left, you were born here.

Speaker 4 Obviously, your father's attorney general of the United States when you were young. He's murdered in 1968.
You leave Washington. You haven't lived here since.
You just came back as secretary.

Speaker 4 What's it like? What do you notice? What do you think of it?

Speaker 2 Well, you know, I didn't expect to love living in Washington. When I was a kid, I couldn't wait to get out of Washington.

Speaker 2 But, you know,

Speaker 2 my wife is happy here. We found kind of a community and a neighborhood.
And

Speaker 2 I love the people that I'm working with at this agency. It's the most gifted, committed group of people that I've ever worked with.
And they're, you know, immensely talented and committed.

Speaker 2 And then I really like the cabinet. I think

Speaker 2 President Trump's cabinet has put together an extraordinary cabinet.

Speaker 2 I'm friends with a number of the people I never thought I'd be friends with, but they're, you know, who do you like?

Speaker 2 I mean, I really, I really get along with Pam Bondi and,

Speaker 2 you know, Cheryl loves Pam and

Speaker 2 her husband, John. And then I, I really, and Marco Rubio, Marco Rubio is the funniest guy in the cabinet.

Speaker 2 He says things that make people belly laugh at every cabinet meeting. And he's,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I never was very,

Speaker 2 let's say, approving of Marco because he was kind of a neocon war hawk. But now he's had this incredible transformation.
And,

Speaker 2 you know, I think he,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I think he very aligned with me on most issues, on Ukraine, you know,

Speaker 2 and just the fact that we should not be the policemen of the world anymore, that we've got to that, you know, we've got to withdraw from that,

Speaker 2 from that role. But I get,

Speaker 2 I really, you know, Scott Turner is my friend,

Speaker 2 Sean,

Speaker 2 you know, and

Speaker 2 all of them, I get Lynn, Linda McMahon.

Speaker 2 I get along. You know, one of the things with

Speaker 2 President Trump is that he really knows how to pick talent.

Speaker 2 And I'm not talking about me,

Speaker 2 but the other people on there, when you sit in those cabinet meetings,

Speaker 2 and every one of those people is incredibly erudite and just fluid in the way that they speak and very, very comfortable.

Speaker 2 One of the things that President Trump did when he picked the cabinet, and I was on the transition team, team, so I watched what he was doing.

Speaker 2 For every

Speaker 2 of one of the positions that he picked, he wanted to see three clips of them performing on TV.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, he's very conscious of the way of that these people are going to be out selling his program to the public

Speaker 2 and that he needs people who are, you know, good salespeople, not only good administrators, but that they're, that they can communicate a message to the public.

Speaker 2 And I think this time around,

Speaker 2 everybody tells me it's completely different than the last administration

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 he had so much time to grow and to learn and to figure out how to do this right. And

Speaker 2 we need a revolution in this country.

Speaker 2 We've got a $34 trillion debt.

Speaker 2 We're spending $2 trillion more a year than we got. We're borrowing it from China and from

Speaker 2 Saudi Arabia and Japan. We have a $1.2 trillion trade deficit.
And, you know, a lot of people are, businesses are hurting because of the tariffs. But over the while,

Speaker 2 I admire President Trump because he's looking over the horizon and he's looking at, you know, this is unsustainable.

Speaker 2 And we need to do something radically different. And,

Speaker 2 you know, you need to,

Speaker 2 particularly at the beginning, when you have momentum and when you have your most power, you need to do a lot of things that are going to be very, very disruptive to many, many people.

Speaker 2 He still has tremendous support for the American public. And I feel it every day.
I walk down a block and, you know, people are ecstatic. They, you know, come to me and

Speaker 2 say, thank you for what you're doing. And they feel good about this country again.
You know, I'll just tell you another anecdote

Speaker 2 if we have time.

Speaker 2 My uncle Ted Kennedy really didn't personally did not like Jimmy Carter. He on every level

Speaker 2 he didn't like his politics. He didn't like him personally.
And, you know,

Speaker 2 Carter did a lot of things that my uncle was just, I mean, one of them was he banned liquor from the White House, which, you know, my uncle didn't like. And then he and he put, you know,

Speaker 2 what was it, Fresco or something on tap at the White House.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so there were just little things like that that annoyed him. But he also,

Speaker 2 when Carter came in, he talked about the Malays in this country and how bad everything was. And

Speaker 2 it's like what Starmer did in England, you know, to tell. And

Speaker 2 people

Speaker 2 take. those messages from their command from their leader.
And

Speaker 2 my uncle, and then Reagan came came in,

Speaker 2 and Reagan was dismantling everything Teddy had done over, you know, 40-year career.

Speaker 2 But Teddy really liked him. And I asked him one time, wow, you know, this guy is destroying everything you believe in.

Speaker 2 And Teddy said, I like him because he makes people feel good about being American.

Speaker 2 And he's able to inspire hope for the country again.

Speaker 2 And, you know, President Trump

Speaker 2 does that. Whatever you think about him,

Speaker 2 there's a new feeling in America now that, you know, we're back on the upswing again. You know, as he says, the country is hot again, you know.

Speaker 2 And all around the world, people see that too.

Speaker 2 And, you know, a lot of things have surprised me about the president because I, you know, bought into this fact that he was this

Speaker 2 one-dimensional character, that he was kind of a bombastic narcissist and all this. And, you know, and part of it is is hearing it all the time on TV, but also

Speaker 2 the way that he conducts himself sometimes validates those. If you have that

Speaker 2 narrative, you can find things what he does that validate that narrative.

Speaker 2 But what I've been surprised in getting to know him is what a kind of deep, multi-dimensional, and thoughtful character he is.

Speaker 2 And how well I also thought, oh, he doesn't read and, you know, he's not interested in anything.

Speaker 2 He's immensely curious inquisitive and um immensely knowledgeable he's encyclopedic in certain areas that you wouldn't expect like music and you know he gets very emotional about music and yes and and he is and he knows the whole story behind every song pavarati and james brown yeah yeah he cries when he hears pavarati

Speaker 2 he said i he said to me one night when we were at marta laugh

Speaker 2 with the amaryllis he said he said amaryllis you understand this because she loves music too and he said but most of the the people here, they don't understand it. They don't get it.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 in terms of sports, he is

Speaker 2 just, he's an encyclopedia. He knows everything.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, on Wall Street, he knows how everybody made their money and

Speaker 2 the stories. And he's, you know, an incredible raconteur about telling all these.
stories. And then

Speaker 2 also the most

Speaker 2 surprising thing is, because Adam pegged as a narcissist, when narcissists are incapable of empathy, and he's one of the most empathetic people that I've met,

Speaker 2 you notice whenever he talks about the Ukraine war,

Speaker 2 he always talks about the casualties on both sides. Every time he talks about it.
I have noticed that.

Speaker 2 And he does that in every theater. He talks about how human beings are affected by it, you know,

Speaker 2 whether it's vaccines or Medicaid or Medicare, he's always thinking about how this impacts the little guy.

Speaker 2 And, you know, the Democrats haven't begged as a guy who's sort of sitting, you know, in the cabinet meeting talking about how can we make billionaires richer.

Speaker 2 He's the opposite of that. He's a genuine populist.

Speaker 2 And, you know, like all of us, we're all flawed characters in one way or another. But I think he's really a uniquely right person for this country right now

Speaker 2 because we were in a death spiral. And not only

Speaker 2 just, you know, morale, but also just, well, you know, the deficits are, you know, who could ever,

Speaker 2 would you believe we'd ever have a president in our lifetime that would actually be addressing, you know, the costs of government in a dramatic way? No.

Speaker 2 And the trade deficits. How could you ever cure that? There's just too entrenched and so many people, you know, making money.

Speaker 2 But meanwhile,

Speaker 2 us all going to hell in a handbasket. And, you know, so

Speaker 2 I think he's doing stuff at great political cost to him that is going to benefit this country 10 years from now and 20 years from now. And, you know, I'm really proud to be part of it.

Speaker 4 Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., thank you very much.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Tucker.

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