Everything You Need to Know About the Minnesota Assassinations and Tim Walz Destroying His State

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Five years ago this summer, George Floyd, a convicted felon, OD'd on fentanyl outside a convenience store in Minneapolis and the country changed forever.

Five years later, Tim Walls is still the governor.

Keith Ellison is still the attorney general.

The cops who were falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd are mostly still in prison.

But what happened in Minneapolis itself?

Well, it's been wrecked, and no one has said a word about it.

Liz Collin is one of the only journalists remaining in the state of Minnesota, and she gives us an update on the aftermath of the George Floyd Revolution.

Liz, thank you.

Media's died across the country.

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Local news, basically gone.

And the hope was always that there would be

responsible people who cared about facts reporting what's happening at the state level and in cities.

And in most places, that's not true, but it is true in Minnesota, thanks to you.

So I'm just, I'm grateful that you're filling that void because we need to know what's happening.

I want to start by, because I think you're an expert on like, what is the truth about the assassinations in your state of a couple Democratic lawmakers?

Like, who's the guy who, like, what is that?

There's lying around it.

What's the truth?

Yeah, sadly, the chaos really continues in Minnesota.

Appreciate you having me on and thank you for your kind words about our reporting that we do over at Alpha News.

But this all starts on a Saturday.

It's Saturday, June 14th, 2 in the morning, and this shooting spree begins.

Vance Belter is the man who is charged now with the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark.

But what we know is that he first arrives at Senator John Hoffman's home, the home he shares with his wife, Yvette.

Their adult daughter happens to be in town during this, and Belter is dressed as a police officer.

He's wearing also a latex mask.

He has a flashlight,

arrives at their door saying, police, open up.

He's shouting.

It's very chaotic.

And basically, this is...

This is two in the morning.

Two in the morning.

They open their door to him, and he starts shooting, from what we understand.

Senator Hoffman is hit multiple times.

His wife hit multiple times.

His daughter heroically calls 911, tells the police it's Senator Hoffman that's been shot.

And this, in a way, I think, sends a message to the rest of the surrounding agencies that this could have something to do with legislators or perhaps people are being targeted to look for this person, obviously.

We know now that Belter stops at two more homes,

people who are not home, legislators that are not home.

At one point, he encounters a police officer in New Hope.

That officer actually approaches his vehicle.

He is in a vehicle that looks like a squad car, an SUV squad car, goes so far as to outfit it with police lettering actually on

the license plate.

It says police on the license plate, you know, a light bar, all the things you would look for in a squad.

This New Hope officer rolls up next to him.

He is looking straight ahead and does not.

you know, acknowledge the officer at all.

She then rolls her window up and continues on to this lawmaker's home.

So there's some questions about, you know,

how was he not apprehended in that moment?

This is when he then continues

to the former House Speaker, DFL House Speaker, Melissa Hortman's home.

And

at this point, the police catch up to him, the Brooklyn Park Police Department.

They are doing a welfare check basically on the Hortman home, saying, you know, she doesn't live that far away.

We should go to the Speaker Emerita, Melissa Hortman's home.

And they get there.

Shots ring out, but from what we understand, between the police and Belter,

somehow Belter still gets inside the Hortman home.

Mark is killed, and then they find Melissa's body inside the home as well

later on.

So the police are there for the shooting?

They are.

So how did he get away?

Still a lot of questions about that.

Like, what?

I'm sorry.

I didn't know that.

I didn't get that.

He goes goes out a back door, from what we understand, escapes on foot because he leaves his police cruiser there on scene.

This is where they find out it's Dance Belter.

He has utility bills in this vehicle, things that I'll trace back to him.

And he gets back to an address that mysteriously he'd been renting for the last couple of years.

It's very strange.

He shared his home with his wife and five children in Green Isle, Minnesota, which is about an hour outside of Minneapolis.

But yet he was renting this room in Minneapolis where he would stay two or three nights a week, from what we understand from the neighbors.

And he'd show up at sometimes midnight, leave at four or five in the morning.

We've been able to look a lot at his social media and what he's put out there.

He was working at some funeral homes, we understand, and would keep these strange hours.

But neighbors actually thought he was a detective.

That's what they thought of him.

They thought it was strange that this guy would just show up a couple times a week.

Working at funeral homes?

Right.

That's what.

He said that he was doing kind of some

just disposal of bodies he would talk about openly in a little college course that we found a clip of.

But what's interesting is he ended his employment, from what we understand from these funeral homes, himself

just

more recently.

It seems that there's perhaps some financial trouble.

Before we get into him, can you just play out the rest of the timeline?

So he escapes through the back door somehow.

The police are there when he shoots these two people to death, but they don't get him.

He winds up where?

And how long does it take for them to find him?

So he goes back to this Minneapolis address.

How far is that from this?

It's a walk.

I mean, it's going to take a little while to get there, definitely,

you know, five, ten miles or so to that address.

He then, and we have this all on surveillance camera.

We've been able to get some surveillance video from the neighbors who could see his last movements.

He's moving around some of his police cars.

At one point, a bike appears out of the shed.

It's all very strange.

But then he walks to a nearby bus stop.

And again, according to the charging document, this is where he meets a stranger.

He wants to buy an e-bike off of this guy, who then offers and says, I actually have a car for sale too.

It breaks down a bit, but he buys the e-bike and this black Buick from this stranger at the bus stop for $900.

This man actually drives him to the bank where he empties his $2,200 he has in his bank account.

This is when the FBI releases surveillance video of him wearing a cowboy hat.

This is the last picture,

basically the picture they're releasing to the public to find this guy that morning.

But this then leads to the largest manhunt in Minnesota history to find him.

He ends up, we know now, he'd been texting his wife.

He said something along the lines of dad went to war last night, and also something about not wanting the kids to be on the property because there's going to be some people that are trigger happy that could be there soon.

So that seemed to be an indication he was going back to.

He calls himself dad in his text with his wife.

Right.

Yeah, that's freaky.

Yeah.

And then it sounds like he went back to that address.

to get money.

There was a large amount of money that was left at the home.

Ultimately, though, the one that he was renting.

The actual home that he shared with his wife and children in Green Isle.

So he drives back there.

And then where does he go?

He's actually found in a field not far from that home at all.

At this point, police had set up around his home.

It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be getting into his house to get this cash.

His wife, at one point, is pulled over

shortly after.

She leaves the

property and she's found a couple hours from their home with guns, their passports, and about $10,000 in cash

in their vehicle.

Three children are with her.

Some of them are, a couple of them are older kids.

And

it turns out from some of the reporting that's been done now, they called themselves preppers.

They had kind of a plan.

It's unclear if the wife

knew of what he did.

She has not been charged, correct?

Wow, this

is a weirder story than i realized okay so who is he what do we know about the man who has been charged with these murders yeah this is what's um interesting he grew up in a small town in in minnesota in in sleepy eye uh his dad was a standout baseball star a long time uh baseball

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he has A lot of people have described him to us as a devout Christian.

I don't think you're a Christian if you're capable of this, clearly.

It's interesting how the media, you see this happening with this story, automatically takes their corners.

You have some friend of his that says he's a Trump supporter.

So this is how the story is painted, that this lunatic Trump supporter goes on this rampage.

But there's clearly so much more

to this.

And that's what bothers me with the media.

Nobody's willing to really ask these questions.

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What is that?

What are we looking at here?

This is bizarre.

Father of five

prepper from Sleepy Eye, Minnesota, all of a sudden winds up wearing a latex mask and like a fake police car and murdering people.

And then the police don't arrest him somehow at the shooting.

I mean, the whole thing.

So, but what do we know about him?

So

he has also a hit list in his vehicle, literally called a hit list, a handwritten.

It says hit list on it.

It does.

And there are

60 names of in case he might

worry that you might forget what the list is.

There's all kinds of notebooks with all kinds of things in them from what we understand.

We did obtain this hit list that went out to law enforcement because obviously they were protecting all of these

legislators trying to figure out, you know, where this guy was, because this manhunt goes on for 43 hours before he just surrenders in a field, puts his hands up in the air, and basically walks toward law enforcement and says, I'm Vance Belter.

But this hit list, these are all Democrats on the list.

There's a couple abortion clinics, Planned Parenthoods that are on there.

So people have said, you know, is this some sort of pro-life thing?

But also, interestingly enough, he has a confession letter.

This is what I would call it.

It's a letter made out to the FBI to Cash Patel that says that Governor Tim Walls made him do this.

He says that he made him do it because

he wanted Senator Amy Klobuchar to be killed and Walls then to take that Senate seat, which again makes no sense to any sane person, but these are all part of the pieces that are not.

Was Amy Klobuchar on the list?

What's interesting is Walls is not on the list.

Klobuchar is on the list.

There's somebody who has passed away that's on the list.

Some people who are not holding office anymore that are on the list.

So the list is

a little strange in and of itself.

What did he spend his life doing?

Like, what's his history?

This guy's in his 50s?

57.

Not a typical profile.

No, it's of a serial killer.

Right.

That's where it seems that there seems to be some financial issues.

We know that he spent some time in the Congo.

He talks about that.

In Congo?

Yes.

A lot of people from Sleepy Eye, Minnesota are just kind of hanging in the Congo.

Right.

He was doing some mission trips,

mission trips there.

But there are also some nonprofits that he would start, but they had no customer base.

There was a couple security businesses that didn't have actual customers.

His wife was listed on a website linked to a security business.

We know of this funeral homework that was going on.

Did he have a career?

I mean, did he spend

he was in the, again, according to his LinkedIn profile that is now down, but did decades in the food service industry.

He was a general manager at a 7-Eleven.

That was listed as well.

But from my law enforcement sources, it sounds like just a lot of this was just made up, almost like there was this double life that was being lived.

But at some point, he moves out part-time from his wife and five children to live in an apartment with a roommate

i mean what is that

the way his roommate described it he was working um

at these funeral homes and would keep kind of odd hours and so minneapolis would be closer to um you know where these would be located but what's interesting is even in his last movements um that have been tracked by by the neighbors everybody has these great security cameras uh nowadays and they're kind of doing the detective work themselves over in that neighborhood as well.

But you can see him

coming in with some plastic bags.

We know now he'd bought some supplies at Fleet Farm just leading up to these attacks.

He's walking out with his notepads.

From what law enforcement has said, he was doing a lot of writing, a lot of ramblings as they've just described them.

At first, they said there was this manifesto.

They've kind of backed off on that and said it's more of this hit list, nothing that seems to really make much sense as far as a motive is concerned at this point.

But for some reason, he did surrender to law enforcement, and it seems in a way he wants to

tell his story.

Wow.

Is there any evidence that he had contact with law enforcement before this at any level?

Actually, no, no criminal record, nothing.

Did he have any connection to the government at all that we know of?

Well, this is what's interesting.

Also in that confession letter, he talks about he is trained by the military.

He says that he's, and this is what was on the website as well,

that he did security in Eastern Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, it says on his website.

But at this point, just still so many questions about what is actually even true.

What do you think?

You know,

it's been difficult because in Minnesota,

you just keep saying that these kind of things don't happen, and then they do.

And so much of this has happened.

We've kind of been dubbed this capital of chaos these last five or six years, and it's pretty disheartening.

You try to approach everything as a reporter and gather as many facts, but you're like,

how have we now come to report on political assassinations in Minnesota?

Yeah, I'm not surprised given what's happened in the last five years.

But I just wonder about this story in particular.

Did he have contact with Walls?

Do we know that Walls ever suppose Walls said, I met this guy ever?

Well, this is what's interesting.

We know that he served on a board appointed by Walls.

However, I'll say that

what kind of board was that?

It was a workforce development board.

They have, I think, more than 100 of these boards in Minnesota.

Most of them are voluntary boards.

So he was appointed to that board by Governor Mark Dayton, a Democrat, and reappointed by Walls.

That expired in 2023.

So it is unclear if they ever knew each other.

They were on the

interesting, Senator Hoffman and Vance Belter were on the same board together.

So you would think that they somehow knew each other.

How did a 7-Eleven manager slash mortuary remains disposal guy wind up on a governor-appointed board in the state?

Also a good question.

It's a little weird, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, there's just so many things in his background that don't seem to make much sense.

And also just

he had several properties in his name, seven cars.

He's asking for a public defender because he has no money.

He just paid more than $500,000 for his home in Green Isle a couple of years ago.

What?

So where's the money coming from?

I think there were questions about that as well.

from the body disposal business like how much does and this guy is renting an apartment to take a job hours from his five hundred thousand dollar home that cannot be a high-paying job i don't i don't know what mortaries pay to dispose of bodies but it can't be a lot yeah law enforcement seems to think that he'd been plotting you know something for a long time what was the final you know

i don't know okay so nothing about this makes sense at all correct So there's been a ton of speculation that

he, like a number of other

people,

high-profile murderers in the last 50 years, may have been like not at all what he seemed to be.

This is like some sort of operation designed to discredit

the enemies of the people who designed it.

Do you think there's any, I mean, is it worth

pulling on those threads?

Oh, I think it's worth it.

And that's what we've been

doing.

It just seems that, you know, even talking to profilers through this, they really

maybe there is something more because none of this actually makes sense or adds up

to become that radicalized, you know, what actually,

what actually happened.

But it's a story, you know, we're obviously staying on.

Yeah, maybe it'll wind up like the Vegas shooting where it doesn't make sense at all and no one wants to talk about it and we just kind of forget about it.

You know, biggest mass shooting in American history that like no one mentions ever, but clearly it's not.

And you've already seen that with the media in Minnesota.

It's okay, he's a Trump supporter.

We,

this is why he did it and that's it.

I mean, it's just absolutely insane what has happened to the media.

No curiosity, no common sense.

It's really disgusting.

And no wonder the public is not informed, especially in Minnesota.

Yeah, and this story is just inherently bizarre.

So

you're from the state.

You've worked in media there.

You were one of the highest-rated anchors in the state.

You've made a couple references to the media.

It might be worth reminding people what happened.

If you could just give us a short tour of your work history,

how did you lose your job in television in Minnesota?

Yeah, so I worked at WCCO, long-time anchor and investigative reporter there.

My family was caught up in the George Floyd fallout.

My husband, long time.

Did you murder George Floyd?

No, I did not.

Okay, good.

Despite what the media may tell you.

But they,

yeah, so many people were canceled in the wake of all of that, and I was one of them.

My husband, longtime Minneapolis police officer, he was serving as the union president at the time.

He came out with a few sentences that basically said, we'd like the body camera footage.

We're awaiting that.

Let's not rush to judgment with all of this.

And, you know, we're backing these police officers until we, you know, know more.

He did what a union president, I think, probably is supposed to do.

I hope any American citizen would take that same position.

We're not going to send people to prison unless we know they're guilty.

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So your husband said, as the FOP president, you know, let's just find out exactly what happened before we decide we know what happened.

And then what happened when he said that?

He had to lose his job.

I had to lose my job.

You lost his job for that?

The mob came after us.

I mean, he had been planning at that point to retire around this time anyway.

But yeah, the mob came out in

full attack.

I never anchored a newscast at WCCO ever again.

What?

What did you have to do with it?

I'm still not exactly sure, but

that's fear is a powerful thing, I think, especially in Minnesota.

Well,

let's unpack this.

Okay, so your husband had to leave after 32 years as a police officer because he said, let's wait for the evidence before deciding.

Okay.

I can see that happening in the hysteria and

the race mobs that formed after George Floyd, Odid on Fennel.

But what do you, how are you, why would you be punished for that?

Yeah, it was

ridiculous.

I finished out my contract and then eventually left, but I would go.

But why were you not allowed to do newscasts after?

You know, at first I understood that I obviously can't report on this story.

There's a conflict of interest, and I never had.

I'd never reported on police union issues in Minneapolis.

I mean, we've been married for a few years by the time this even happened, but all of a sudden it became like we were in this hidden marriage.

As if I was supposed to start every newscast by talking about who my husband is.

I mean, can you imagine in in this world why this even matters?

But then it appeared, my name started appearing.

You know, every story that I did, no matter what, it would be, and just a reminder, Liz Collin is married to Bob Kroll.

I mean, literally, this would be printed in stories

on our website.

And I was like, this is, you know, this is just completely, absolutely insane.

Wait, your employer put that?

Yes.

It was this disclaimer because they felt like they needed to, you know, the public needed to know this

because of everything that had transpired.

So So the station

without asking you kept doing this.

Right.

This is a CBS station.

I mean, I don't think, I think you can watch any CBS station and realize what is going on at those places.

CBS.

Oh, it's

a statement operator.

Yes.

Okay.

So how did they tell you you're no longer allowed to do your job because of who your husband is?

Well, at first it just drags on for weeks.

Weeks turn to months.

But they pulled you off the air.

Yes.

I was still allowed to report on a few things, but I was no longer allowed to report on state government, city government, anything to do with policing.

I would have to get permission before I would even be able to call someone in law enforcement.

I mean, this has been my career.

I mean, I have a lot of good sources, and I've reported on a lot of these issues long before I was even married to Bob, but all of a sudden, everything became,

you know, an issue.

And I will say that my husband appeared on stage with um president trump uh this was back in um 2019 when he was running for re-election and that really became an issue with um the the station as well um that your husband liked trump correct yeah you can't can't have an anchor whose husband likes trump right right okay um yeah it's a really sick country wow um

so then you said the mob came what does that mean

well it really just means the mob came they

Very literal.

They showed up to the station.

They held a protest demanding that I be fired.

For being married to a cop.

Right.

Yes.

And then they showed up at our home four different times.

We had protests that summer of 2020.

Yes.

One sponsored by Black Lives Matter.

They showed up with pinata effigies of myself and my husband and beat us in our driveway.

Welcome to South Africa.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

And you had a child at home?

We were not home that weekend, but yes, my actually my child discovered this on YouTube years after it happened.

I thought I would keep it from him, but

you can't do that, I guess, in this digital world we live in.

Did you shoot them?

Well, I think that's why I made sure my husband left town.

No, I mean,

that's such a threatening act.

I'm against shooting people in general, but I think I would shoot someone who did that just because I would feel so threatened.

I mean, your home?

Yeah, I've never felt so violated

before.

I consider myself a pretty strong person, but it took me even a long time to even walk in the front lawn again, just thinking they took a knee around our flag, our American flag.

If you were black, you were allowed to kneel in our front yard.

And if you're white, you had to look on as they were shouting.

I mean, they literally brought a bullhorn.

They were shouting swear words at our neighborhood kids, threatening to burn the city down where we lived.

And no one shot them.

It's so weird how passive people are.

Like, you couldn't get away with that 50 years ago.

You couldn't do that.

Many

cities have now passed ordinances in Minnesota saying if you don't pull a permit to protest, we're going to arrest all of you because nobody was arrested.

Nothing happened that day.

And your husband was a cop

and his fellow cops didn't, nobody did anything.

Well, they wanted to show up also, but, you know,

I don't,

we also have to recognize with these groups, this is what they want.

They want confrontation, they want lawsuits, this is what they want.

Maybe if someone smacked them in the face once in a while, they'd be a little more respectful.

I mean, I just think if you allow that kind of behavior, you're going to get more of it, right?

Well, and I actually think this is what has happened in Minnesota.

These political disagreements have turned into these political attacks, and people have allowed this to happen.

Well, I completely agree.

It's passive Scandinavians.

I know them well.

I hate them.

Sorry, excuse me.

I'm one of them.

You are one of them.

No, I know, but that's why i can say that i'm allowed to say that um but yeah yeah they're totally passive and self-hating and you know raped my wife i mean they're really it's a sickness in their brains but it's that's just so sad so and they came back more than once this mom yeah this was the largest i mean it was more than a hundred people paid people paid to you know to be there that that day they had lunch provided i mean this is just completely insane who do you think paid

well black lives matter was involved you could and this is what i thought was interesting as a reporter so keep in mind i was still working at WCCO at the time, but I called my news director and I said, the man leading this protest, he's running to be a state rep,

and he's endorsed by Walls and the Democratic Party.

I think that we should probably cover this.

Get a story on this.

Yes.

I'm sorry.

I saw the protest on

you.

Yes.

Was that guy elected state rep?

He was elected.

And I called my news director and I said, I think this is newsworthy.

You will not even believe what happened.

And I was told that.

He was a racist, too, that guy.

Yes.

But I was told that that phone call showed my bias.

How dare I?

How dare I think that that's a news story?

You're so biased.

They said that to you at the station?

And so it would be days before they actually even reported on the protest, before they had no choice but to.

At their own employee's house.

Correct.

A guy running for state house saying racist anti-white things.

I remember this now.

Wow.

I totally forgot this.

That was you.

That was me.

I'm so sorry.

It's so hateful.

So how long were you at the station after that?

So I finished my contract a couple of years,

not even quite.

And then I

had kind of as a therapy worked on my book called They're Lying, The Media, the Left, and the Death of George Floyd, which is a bit about my personal story and

so much of the truth that just never stood a chance with all of this.

And I left.

I went into independent media.

I didn't want to lie anymore.

I was disgusted with what the media had turned out.

How long were you at the station?

Nearly 14 years.

Wow.

So what about all the people you, when you work in a place, you like, you know, you know, your supervisor, you know, all the vice presidents and

the station manager, the HR people, did, did anyone ever say, gosh, we're really mistreating you.

We're sorry.

Been here 14 years and we're.

Anyone.

Was there any human

think touch at all yeah i still have you know still have some friends but i think that's

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I was, you know, I knew that I could, it was time to listen to that little voice inside of me.

And

I'd been praying about it for a long time and just knew that there were things that I really had to do.

It was a matter of.

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But to

abandon your longtime employee because the mob demands it is like maybe the lowest thing I can think of.

You know, it was crazy because I grew up watching that station.

I mean, literally, it was the dream job when I finally landed it, when I worked in all these crappy markets, you know, lived in crappy places.

But I, you know, I loved the news because I always felt like I'm, you know, I'm just going to do whatever it takes to get back home, to be able to broadcast, you know,

my hometown and whatnot, as goofy as that sounds.

It doesn't sound goofy.

It sounds great.

But actually, and then it

happened and just kind of,

but I, you know, it's not even, even before George Floyd, you could see what the media was was turning into.

And that really bothered me on a moral and ethical level more than anything else.

Just not so much what we would tell the public anymore, but what we would not,

how we would craft a story.

I talk a lot about this in the book, but

there were mandates after George Floyd that half of the people we interviewed had to be non-white or from a protected class.

In the wake of...

Where did those mandates come from?

From what I understand, CBS News.

You could not use the term riots at all in your reporting.

Actually?

Right.

Just the way we would control the language and show you

CO.

Correct.

Boy, I can't, when they do go bankrupt, will you text me just so I can celebrate?

I really hope that they go under soon.

That's so dishonest.

Yeah, and it hasn't,

it's actually only gotten worse, I think,

with a lot of things

that have transpired.

But again, I feel blessed to be on the other side.

Perhaps you can relate.

You're a positive person.

It's just, I think it's important to know, because the net effect was the death of a lot of people, the total destruction of a great American city.

It was just pure evil in the end.

Black people didn't benefit.

White people didn't, I mean, no one benefited

really.

And it just bothers me that it's been memory hold and that no one responsible for the killing and the destruction has ever been held accountable.

Since you wrote a book on it,

and it's been five years, can we just assess what was the George Floyd thing?

Do you think?

Having looked into it more than maybe any other person,

like what's what's your like how did how did George Floyd die?

What was that?

Why did that instantly become a revolution that wrecked my country?

And what was that?

You could definitely tell.

I mean, Minnesota, we really had the perfect players in place.

Again, we have Governor Tim Walls.

We have Attorney General Keith Ellison, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frye.

This was an election year that had so much to do with it.

And you could see these things were happening around the country, you know, just looking to spark

chaos.

And in Minneapolis,

they had the recipe.

And I saw the manipulation

day one.

They did not release the body camera videos.

Can I say it was one of the whitest cities in America, along with Portland and Seattle?

That's true.

Yes, primarily.

Yes.

Yeah.

So that is another factor.

This didn't happen in Miami because the Hispanics don't hate themselves, but the whites do.

This is just my editorializing.

It's just demographics played a role in this.

It was the whitest cities that went the craziest.

But you have this, as they frame it, this white police officer, you know, kneeling on the neck of a black man.

The optics were there.

However,

the body camera video shows a much different story.

And if they would have released this, I just don't even think we'd be here having this.

But is there any evidence that George Floyd was suffocated by Derek Chauvin.

No, there is much more evidence to support that that, in fact, had nothing to do with it.

You have George Floyd talking about how he can't breathe before Derek Chauvin arrives on scene.

You have a black police officer who arrested George Floyd in Alex King, who was on the job for three days off of his field training.

Nobody talks about Alex King.

Nobody knows him.

He just got out of prison.

He's one of the four police officers put in prison.

But nobody knows about, they think this is just a white cop,

black suspect.

I didn't know that.

And this is the

story the media told, and it's disgusting.

Bottom line, is there actual evidence that Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd?

I would say the answer is no.

There's no strangulation marks.

There's no bruising on his neck.

Why didn't they release the autopsy, which was done within 12 hours of him dying to the public that showed all of this?

He had an enlarged heart.

He died of a heart attack.

The first words on his autopsy are just that.

Cardiopulmonary arrest is his cause of death.

He did not die of suffocation.

No.

So why is Derek Chauvin still in jail?

Why did Officer King go to jail?

Is there anyone else in jail for this still?

Thomas Lane was released also, and Tutau was still in prison.

Tutau was given an extra year on his sentence because the judge in this case, Judge Peter Cahill, did not like how he was reciting Bible verses during his sentencing and gave him an extra year.

But the real threat is Iran.

What?

Okay.

Wow, that's so offensive.

It's hard.

You still live there.

I do.

Yeah.

So how did,

if there's no evidence that he murdered George Floyd, why was I at Fox scolded for saying that he didn't murder George Floyd, which I was, by the way, I said, George Floyd seemed like he died of a drug OD because that's what the autopsy seemed to say.

Why is that not widely known?

Why does nobody, even now, five years later, people have to be like, oh, he was killed by a white cop.

And all these, I'm trying not to use the F word, but all these Republican office holders are like, no, he was murdered by a, you know what I mean?

A white cop.

Yeah, I hear it.

It's not true.

Yeah, it isn't.

And there's a reason race never even came up in Derek Chauvin's trial.

There's There's no evidence of race having anything to do with anything.

And that's why I put the book out.

And it was released in 2022, right before

I wanted it out before the election for Walls and Ellison.

Sadly, it didn't work.

But then it led to the documentary called The Fall of Minneapolis.

And we tried to.

really bring out the truth that nobody heard in this case in that documentary.

And more than 10 million people have seen it all around the world,

which is is amazing considering it was just kind of

this little documentary.

But it also, I think, proves that the truth still matters.

I just wish somebody would do something about it.

So is this,

is there anyone else in Minneapolis saying this?

No, it's actually interesting.

They then paint me.

Of course, I'm a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

That's how I'm referred to.

I'm just a crazy person for bringing out these facts.

I mean, again, I think it's 237 citations I have in my book.

This is all, I'm a journalist.

This is what I've done for 20 years.

But what's the counterargument?

Okay, so everyone stands up, Nikki Haley and Jeb Bush and all, you know, all these people,

probably the majority of the Republican senators who were serving five years ago said this, you know, black man murdered by a white cop.

What evidence are they pointing to to prove that?

And how did he get convicted of it?

Well, the trial in and of itself is really quite something.

You have the police training, the maximal restraint technique that the officers were using that day.

That was not allowed in trial.

Judge Cahill did not allow that in Chauvin's trial.

Explain what that is.

So interestingly enough, these two pages of the manual go offline

two days

after the incident.

They disappear.

The MRT.

And you can hear in the body camera footage, which again, the public is not allowed to to see until many months later.

And to this day, most people have never taken the time to watch the video, of course.

And the officers are talking about the MRT.

Thomas Lane says, let's just MRE.

He means MRT.

They all are working together in this moment, knowing what the MRT is.

Why then do you have the mayor?

He comes out

about 24 hours later and says, and by the way, this is a technique not trained by the MPD.

This is Jacob Fry.

Correct.

Who is he?

Is he from Minneapolis?

No, from Virginia.

He was brought to Minneapolis to run for city council and then

the mayor.

Good question.

He has nothing to do with Minneapolis at all, and he winds up

becoming mayor.

And in many ways, destroying Minneapolis.

Is he still there?

He's still there.

Is he still the mayor?

He's still the mayor.

Why isn't he in prison?

You know, I have gone to him for more interview requests at this point than I can count.

At one point, I just started chasing him around

one morning to try to get him to answer questions.

It's kind of funny that somebody would be literally running away from me, but that's what he did.

But I just, that's my question is, why are you lying?

Why have you been lying about all this?

Because we saw this again this five years later.

These stories are just so over the top, and nobody is telling the truth about it, even five years later.

It's almost as if you just continue to repeat this lie.

You know, enough people will believe it.

The mayor, Jacob Fry, who's not from Minneapolis, who's brought in and somehow becomes mayor and then wrecks the city that he's not from, didn't build.

He says in public shortly after the death that the restraint technique the police officers used on George Floyd was not taught to them.

Correct.

And that's not true.

Yeah, these pages go missing of the manual.

Which explain the technique.

And exactly.

And I said into my newsroom at the time, this is really quite something.

They are trying to cover this up.

We should really be doing a story about this.

And I'm the crazy person.

What did they say?

It was just like, you have to go along with this narrative.

This is the narrative of the moment, and we are going to push it on the public.

We even had reporters using Black Lives Matter as hashtags in their reporting.

Not really.

Really?

And that was allowed.

And I said, well, here's their website.

And this is a political organization.

Why would we allow this ever?

But again, I'm the

crazy conservative, I guess, in the newsroom at this point.

That was the corner I was cast in.

And I should just shut up.

I guess this is why I've forgotten so many of the details because they're just horrifying.

So the public doesn't get to know that the restraint technique that the police officers, not just Derek Chauvin, but the other three, used against this berserk drug addict

convicted felon that that was a technique that they learned at the police academy and that was trained for decades.

Trained for decades.

Yeah, it had been around for, we found manuals with the MRT in the 90s.

I mean, we did a lot of.

Did they apply it correctly?

Did they do what they were taught to do?

It's in, it's actually in there to wait, to hold and wait for EMS.

This is also something else that

was never talked about.

The ambulance went to the wrong address, which is why there is such a long, typically an ambulance would be there in about 90 seconds at the most.

There's, you know, a fire station that close.

They went to the wrong address.

And you see this on the body camera footage that one of the paramedics is almost joking around with Thomas Lane going, gosh, we didn't know where you guys were.

We went to the wrong place.

That's why it took us so long.

And there's a very problematic EMS response to all of this.

That is also not allowed to be discussed in Chauvin's trial either.

What's the problematic EMS response?

The fact that they go to the wrong address.

They also are hooking George Floyd up to

get air to breathe and the machine itself is not plugged in in the ambulance.

You know, there has been.

The machine is not plugged in?

Yes.

This is all in the documentary.

Did anybody hit him with Narcan?

You know, that's a question I get quite a bit.

And this is before,

you know, this is more than five years ago at this point where they didn't even the officers didn't all have narcan at that point this was kind of just the beginnings of all of that and you also had two officers that were um brand new and they were partnered together and i think you can see even just with their interactions they understand something is going on with him he also stuffs some

you know what you think are drugs in his mouth during their interaction.

And they're asking him, what do you want?

What did you take?

And, you know, he's very combative, but they think it's more of a something that's going on medically.

They try to get him into the squad car.

It's George Floyd himself who asks to be laid on the ground.

Many people don't know that.

He asks to be laid on the ground himself.

And this is just this hold that they do.

But we quickly find out, again, it's within 12 hours that in his autopsy, you can see that he's been described to us as a ticking time bomb, sadly, George Floyd.

He has this tumor, a paraganglioma, that more testing isn't done um on that and that can lead to in his hip a large tumor um and that can lead to death when people are in that hyped uh state which clearly george floyd is see on his face when you watch the video that he knows he's dying and he's panicked yes i'll speak for myself and say i really felt for the guy you can see the terror in his eyes like he's on his way out he's not ready for it you know God knows where he's going and he knows he knows that and

But it's just obvious from the video that it has nothing to do with how he's being treated by the cops.

Like, that's why he's freaking out because he knows he's dying.

Did you feel that watching?

Well, I have been a kind of a cops reporter, I guess, for years, but you always know that there's more to this.

And also quickly, we learned within those first couple of days, he'd been arrested in 2019 by the Minneapolis Police Department.

He was the subject of an undercover drug investigation, George Floyd.

Again, something people had no idea, almost exactly a year prior.

And police have an interaction with him, and he has an overdose.

It's almost a carbon copy of the interaction.

Don't shoot me.

He's very resistant.

Same.

I can't breathe.

Yes, it's all on video.

And that's actually how we start

our documents.

Was that introduced to his trial?

In fact, the police say

that the police chief says they've never heard of George Floyd before.

They have no idea who he is.

And that's in shortly after.

The police chief says that?

Police chief.

Why would he say that?

That's a whole nother.

Yeah.

The police chief at the time is Madeira Arredondo.

He's serving in that capacity.

Is he from Minneapolis?

He's from Minneapolis.

But many people on the department,

they feel that he just sold their entire department out.

Where is he now?

Looking for a job, I think.

He's selling a book.

May he long be unemployed.

Is he an ally of Jacob Fry's?

Yes.

I mean, certainly.

Yes.

The mayor and the chief worked alongside each other.

But you also have this chief who then

makes this all about race.

He embraces that also.

And again, when it's so clear, the evidence doesn't support that at all.

You have a Hmong American officer in Tutau, a black officer in Alex King, and then Thomas Lane and Derek Chauvin who are white.

And they sold this to the public as this is the

face of white supremacy.

Yes.

And all these repulsive preachers got up there in Protestant churches

and sold that to their congregations.

All these politicians, like basically every leader, every business leader, you know, the entire leadership class of the country pivoted behind this lie within 24 hours.

Nikki Haley was like, we need Minneapolis to burn down.

It'll be an atonement for the sins of white supremacy.

I mean, it was like,

never seen anything like it.

What was that?

Like, it really felt like

this was

a play that they had like planned for this day.

You had Governor Walls saying these same things, fanning, again, fanning the flames, withholding the National Guard, encouraging people to basically show up and protest.

You had his wife speak on camera about how she left the windows open to the governor's mansion so she could smell the burning tires,

just to really appreciate

the movement and the moment.

The Winnie Mandela of Minnesota necklacing her enemies.

Yeah.

Crazy.

And it, of course, changed the country forever.

So,

but it did, but the

response felt coordinated, I guess that's what I'm saying.

What was it?

You did.

You had

planes filled with people coming in shortly after protesting.

Planes filled with people.

Planes filled with people.

I've spoken to people that work at the airport that have told me about that.

People that would just, a lot of young kids.

We had people at our house who admitted to us that they came from Oregon.

They had no idea who we were.

They were holding signs in our neighborhood, but they got a free weekend at a hotel.

So they came to our suburban neighborhood to hold a sign in front of our yard.

Who paid for all this?

Well, and that's what's always bothered me as a reporter.

Also, this is all, these are all things you can track down.

You know, these are all public documents.

But yes, these left-wing groups, George Soros had a role.

That's pretty clear.

And many of these groups that

popped up, Black Lives Matter

played a big role in all of this.

Again, you follow the money, you follow the power, and that's kind of where the truth usually is.

And Black Lives Matter got its funding mostly from corporate America, I think.

Yes.

And many Minnesota corporations

fed into that.

You see some of that going away now, thankfully.

But you had George Floyd Memorial Field at Target Field, where the the Minnesota Twins play.

Not really.

Really?

For years.

The drug addict, porn star, armed robber, they named the field after him.

He's the civic hero in Minnesota now.

They had a banner.

Again, thankfully, that's now been taken down.

But they called it George Floyd Memorial Field.

Correct.

Hmm.

The Episcopal Cathedral in San Francisco, where I was baptized.

I visited it shortly after that, and they had a St.

George Floyd

pennant.

you could kind of hang in your house.

A little icon.

It's crazy.

I mean, even that area, 38th in Chicago, most of the businesses are gone.

In fact,

talk about irony.

The businesses are suing the city of Minneapolis for a lack of police presence in that area.

You've had skyrocketing crime since.

You know, the mantra was that we'd be living on the right side of history.

This is what we were told over and over again, whether it be our governor, the mayor, the police chief, this is the right side of history.

And I've yet to find anyone who actually thinks that we're living there.

At the time, so the trial, the riots happened, how many people died during the riots, you recall?

It's been reported about five or six, but again, do you tie them just to the most expensive riots in U.S.

history?

1,500 businesses either damaged or destroyed in the wake of them.

Then the trial happens.

Does anybody in Minneapolis in any position of authority or in the media say, hey, wait a second, there's no evidence that these cops killed this guy?

No.

Nobody said that.

No.

My husband,

we saw what happened to him.

And he just, you know, he's a believer of due process.

He's a, you know, this is, they obviously had attorneys, but even the attorneys representing these officers were not very vocal

in all of this.

It's almost like the truth just didn't stand out.

So one of the lessons is, and this is just the ugliest feature feature of human nature, but if someone or something becomes super unpopular, only an infinitesimally small number of people are brave enough

to stand up and tell the truth.

Like if the, once the mob forms, almost everybody goes along with it.

Was that, did you know that before this happened?

Not on this level.

No.

And that's why I kept speaking up.

I kept going, well, hey, there's this.

Hey, let's do this story.

Hey, there's, and then it just became very clear to me, like, this is

scary.

This is scary.

This is what,

you know, the world has turned into.

This is what the media has turned into.

This is, they just lynched these guys.

Yeah.

And everyone kind of posed with pictures of the corpse.

Like, it's just exactly what you read about in dark times long ago.

And it happens in Minneapolis, like the most civilized American city we've ever had.

The most polite city in the world.

You have the mayor crying at, you know, George Floyd's casket at his funeral.

People couldn't gather for COVID, but yet George Floyd had a highly attended funeral and you could protest in a riot.

That was encouraging.

George Floyd's dead and I already said I felt sorry for him watching the video because he knew he was dying and like

it's scary for people who haven't prepared for it, I think.

But is there any evidence now that we know more about George Floyd, the man, that George Floyd ever did anything to improve our society or help anybody else or did any virtuous or redeeming things ever?

No, there's actually been so much much that has not been reported about him.

I mean, clearly he was an addict.

He struggled as an addict for most of his adult life.

He spent most of his adult life in and out of prison.

That's

documented.

But even his ⁇ he was from St.

Louis Park.

He didn't even live in Minneapolis.

He lived in St.

Louis Park, a suburb, with his roommates.

And his roommates have talked about how his family never even came to gather his personal belongings.

They were just left there.

His car was still there.

I mean, like a year later.

His family all got rich, right?

They were paid $27 million

during Derek Chauvin's jury selection.

They were awarded $27 million.

What do you think kind of message that sent to the jury being seated at the state?

Why isn't Trump pardoned him?

You know, it's a little bit more complicated.

There were rumors about that perhaps happening, but then he would be brought back to a state facility where he'd be in,

you know, he'd be in solitary confinement for sure.

Well, even if the president pardoned him on federal charges, he'd serve.

He has a concurrent state sentence.

And

they've all

can't find enough microphones to talk about how they can't wait for that to happen because they would love him to serve every last hour in Minnesota.

Of course, why not send the National Guard in and just liberate him

by force?

I mean, this is insane that we would allow something like this.

Yeah, he has, at this point, more than 15 years left on his sentence.

Federal.

They are concurrent sentences, so yes.

How old is he?

At this point, he would be,

oh my gosh, that's a...

You might have to edit this out.

He's a middle-aged man.

Yeah.

So he'll be an elderly man by the time he gets out.

Yeah, I think he would be in his 60s by the time of his release.

Most of his life, gone, for sure.

But so back to George Floyd.

George Floyd spent most of his life in and out of prison.

He was a drug addict.

He appeared in a porn film.

It's too perfect.

He was at one point convicted of armed robbery where he stuck a gun in the belly of a pregnant woman.

Am I misremembering this?

That's right.

He committed a home invasion.

It doesn't seem to be clear that she was pregnant, but yeah, pretty awful person, I think, capable of doing that at all.

But he came then to Minneapolis, and I know he was fired from a couple of jobs.

He was working

and

basically hooking up with people at one job that he had, people, addicts, and bringing them back to his home, something that's not allowed.

And in fact, in the book, I detail he was the suspect in a couple of rapes in Minnesota where that evidence has mysteriously disappeared.

What?

What does it mean to be a suspect in rapes?

Like the police.

The police were investigating.

He was

being accused of rape.

And this was the hero after whom they named the ballpark?

Still shocking to this day, but is this how far we've fallen as a society?

What has happened to the moral compass?

It's not even a fall.

It's like

it's an attack.

Yeah.

Not by the population itself, but by its leaders trying to invert virtue and make you worship a rapist.

And St.

George Floyd, if they can make you worship

someone like that, the lowest person in your society, like truly the lowest, stupid, criminal, violent, selfish addicts are selfish by definition.

If that's the hero they can make you worship, then they just flip the society upside down and they destroy it.

Governor Walls at one point asked for all public schools, kids, to

be silent for nine minutes and 29 seconds,

the time frame.

He did that in a

declaration.

Many people I heard from did not.

But they were, they literally, the public schools were required to worship George Floyd.

Correct.

Okay.

A couple of the threads I just want to get to.

So you're, I think you're a rigorous, honest person.

Do you see

any way an honest jury or an honest process could result in the conviction of Chauvin and the other three?

No.

I mean, if our judicial system is what it says it is, when you're presented with all of the evidence and all of the facts and you take out all of the manipulation, the fear-mongering, again, you had even Chauvin's trial,

armed guards are standing by.

The Hennepin County Courthouse is...

you know, being patrolled by this militia.

In a sense,

this fencing is put up around the building.

The jury is not sequestered for the trial.

You have these mobs of people out protesting every day.

I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to say,

yeah, this guy is innocent because then I'm going to probably be protested or killed or lose my job or whatever it is

in the fallout.

Again, I had nothing, really nothing to do with this.

And I was, you know, demoted and canceled.

I just don't see how Ted Cruz and the rest can say that Iran is the biggest threat to a country in which things like this are happening.

This is the threat, the attack on truth and fairness, decency, the love of people for each other, the cohesiveness of your society, citizenship,

virtue, like all of it is

dying because it's being overwhelmed by evil.

And yet you look, you know, your focus is outside the country on some theoretical threat.

We wish somebody would come to Minnesota and save us, Tucker.

No, but it's just like, look, I'm not saying Iran's not hardly for Iran or for them having a nuclear weapon, but compared to what, like, this is our country and this happened and no one's ever apologized.

No one's ever been held accountable.

The guys who didn't do the crime are still in prison.

It's like, it's crazy that this could happen because fairness really matters.

If your society is not fair, it's not worth defending.

You know, even speaking to Tutau's family, they are a family of refugees.

Both of sets of their parents came to America and they talked about that.

It's like they picked their own country.

And they said that this is not what we thought America was.

Yeah, okay.

I didn't think that either.

And I was born here.

Oh, I agree.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Sorry for the editorial, the constant editorializing.

It's just what you're saying is so, and the way you're saying it, which is like flat, just the facts, ma'am,

it's driving me insane.

I can't, how can you still live there?

Job security tucker.

Yeah.

Good point.

If you're one of five reporters in the entire state, like you're, you'll work forever.

Amazing.

So who is Tim Walls exactly?

Most of us, I just want to say I think he's like, should be investigated by the sex crimes unit.

I really feel that way.

I'm not asking you to comment on that, but he's one of the creepiest people I've ever seen.

The vibe I get off that guy, I would not let him in my house.

That's just my feeling.

Maybe I'm being totally unfair, in which case I apologize.

But you have the facts.

I don't.

Who is this guy?

Yeah, I think so much of this has happened on the watch of Governor Walls.

Again, I'm talking about, I've lived in Minnesota for most of my life at this point as a reporter there for 20 years.

I have just never, born there, born, raised, spent a little time outside of the state and been back for 20 years now.

But

I've just never seen,

you know, this kind of, I don't even know if you can call it leadership.

I'm not exactly sure, manipulation

by a leader.

Again, we've talked about this capital of chaos.

This has all been under his watch.

But we've done so much reporting over at Alpha News with the truth of this guy.

It was interesting to see others finally report about him because the local media will not when he was picked as the VP candidate for Kamala Harris.

But it started sort of with picking up on just these little lies he would tell.

And these are things that we would report on.

He did not, you know, he never was a command sergeant major, despite the the fact him, you know, saying that he was.

He never attained this rank in the military.

Instead, he abandoned his troops and they were deployed to Iraq without him, and he ran for Congress.

So I've always felt as a reporter, if someone lies about little things, they're lying about big things.

I think that's just

a

principle that stands the test of time.

And you kind of would just see this with little things that he would say that was just not reality.

But Minnesota has become the home of this defund the police movement.

It was on the ballot.

Minneapolis did not vote to defund the police, but I would say in every way, shape, or form, they defunded the police.

You have the Minneapolis Police Department that's lost about 40% of their cops since George Floyd.

But instead of being a...

Minneapolis lost 40% of its cops in five years?

Nearly half, yeah.

And I actually think we're just now getting to the point of you thought there were problems with the police five years ago.

Just wait until you see some of these people that are coming up on the job.

It's going to be a cop now.

Exactly.

It's pretty horrifying.

And I don't blame any of these people for leaving.

You get to get away from the people.

But they're going to be hiring criminals.

It'll just be a criminal gang.

That's happened before.

So under walls, we have the riots.

We have these lies just about things with his background

that I think really deserve more

attention, more investigating.

these ties to China, which I think are troubling.

What ties does he have to China?

Well, he, um, we know himself, he said that he's made more than 30 trips to China.

Um, he went there upon graduating.

Trips to China?

Went there upon graduating.

He had a long flight, and he's, I mean, he's spent his life as like a school teacher.

He's from Nebraska, originally.

What is he, what is the school teacher from Nebraska doing, making 30 trips to China?

And in the National Guard at the time as well, making these trips to China.

We also know he started a...

But

what's that?

It's really expensive.

It's time-consuming.

It's not something that happens.

You don't go to China 30 times unless you have a real reason to do that.

What would that reason be?

He was taking kids over there at one point as a travel agency.

But what's interesting is I've spoken to you.

Where did their kids travel with Tim Walls?

I've spoken to a few of them that they're obviously older now.

They were in their 20s when they would make these trips in college.

One student in particular is very interesting.

He said that he'd been trying to get the attention of the media about this guy for years.

He said he would go there on these trips and collect the little red Mao book.

He would buy as many as he could on these trips, saying that they were, you know, souvenirs.

Tim Walls would.

And he said he, it was very apparent.

He just had this,

he adored communism and would talk about it

in conversation.

These students could pick up on that.

Are you serious?

And this student tried, even when he was running for Congress, to say, there's more to this guy that you're doing.

Mao killed so many more people than Hitler that it's not even close.

Yes.

Not a defense of Hitler, who was evil.

Yeah.

But Mao is the greatest mass murderer in history.

He's also married

his wedding anniversary.

They were married five years after Tiananmen Square, and he picked that date because it was a date that they would remember, he and his wife.

What?

Who does that?

Tiananmen Square.

Correct.

The tank crushing the lone protester.

That's their wedding anniversary.

And they went to China for their honeymoon.

Come on.

I was in this country during that campaign.

It was less than a year ago.

I never heard anybody say that.

But again, you have in Minnesota what has happened.

We have a new state flag.

Wait, wait, do you think, I'm sorry, I'm just mesmerized by this.

There's a lot of questions.

I agree.

Questions?

Yeah.

But the problem is there's not anybody looking for answers, it seems like.

Well, they want to kill themselves.

So

they're doing a great job.

I get it.

I mean, ultimately, I just have to say this as a white man.

I do blame the liberal whites.

They want to kill themselves and their kids.

That's what they're into.

I don't know what it's, you see it in Britain.

So I'm not into suicide, so I'm opposed, but they're the ones doing this.

And Wallace is a perfect example, too.

But why would he,

you're sure he picked the anniversary

interviews.

Yeah.

It's just in newspapers.

Tinaman Square was a massacre of peaceful protesters.

I know.

Do you think they picked it to like in the memory of those brave souls who died opposing the machine?

They haven't said that.

And what's interesting is, again, we're focusing over at Alpha News on these stories.

There's supposed to be a congressional hearing about all of this, and it's kind of just gone nowhere.

Sadly, we also know, I've spoken to a couple people that served with Tim Walls in Nebraska in that guard unit, and they suspect, and we've done stories and tried to reach out to Walls for comment, but they suspect that perhaps he took their standard operating procedure, the SOP, for the howitzer Army tank.

He was assigned to this tank.

It was nuclear capable, and this was all laid out in the SOP that goes missing while he's there.

The manual goes missing?

Right.

And they had talked to the FBI about this as as well.

There's so many.

What does that mean?

Why did they talk to the FBI?

They think that he was traveling back and forth from China at this time.

And then we also know that this howitzer.

I know I sound crazy right now.

No, no.

You don't sound crazy at all.

You're recounting the facts.

Yeah.

You were saying that men he worked with in the National Guard in Nebraska went to the FBI because they believed he had given classified military secrets to the Chinese government.

They suspect that he did.

Well, they suspect it to the point that he went to the FBI.

Well, this was all when

all these stories are coming out finally about his background, and they're like, maybe we should talk about this.

These are guys that back then didn't report this.

This was in the early 90s, and they always talked about it amongst themselves.

And I think that they weren't completely aware of the potential threat something like this could...

could pose, but they always thought this was very strange.

And then China started producing almost a carbon copy of this military tank a couple years later.

Come on.

For real?

According to all of our research.

Did the Minneapolis Star Tribune break this story?

Oh, no.

No, no.

They haven't touched much of this.

In fact, actually, when they reported, it's

Tim Walls goes to China with these kids, and it's this great travel company he started.

I think it was a very small story even addressing this at all.

And he chose to be married on the the fifth anniversary of a massacre of peaceful protesters.

Oh, man, this is super dark.

I realize, too, that it's some of it seems like impossible to believe.

But again, being trained as a reporter, I know how this works.

You talk to people, you verify things, you source things, and I feel very confident always in all of our information.

And that's what is always so frustrating to me that this should be, this should be the front page of the Star Tribune basically every day.

But instead, the Star Tribune is run by a former commissioner of Governor Walls.

He's the CEO and publisher, and

it's truly unbelievable the stories they put out.

It's just turned into pure propaganda.

The Star Tribune is run by a former Walls commissioner.

It is.

Steve Groves was his

commissioner for years, and I don't think this relationship actually exists anywhere in the country between a governor and a publisher of the largest newspaper.

But somehow in Minnesota, that's allowed.

Votes.

So Minnesota has not thrived under the leadership of Tim Walsh.

It's gotten much worse.

You were telling me today about people you know, and I know people too who've moved from Minnesota to Iowa.

Yeah.

No offense to Iowa.

It's like the nicest, you know, the nicest people in the world.

It also has the worst weather of any state.

You know, it's totally flat.

Minnesota is just beautiful.

Again, I'm not beating up on Iowa.

I really do love Iowa.

I spent a lot of time there, but you know, Minneapolis, I mean, Minnesota is kind of the dream.

Iowa's like sturdy farm people and all that.

If you're seeing a migration from Minnesota to Iowa, Minnesota is in serious trouble.

Is this fair?

Oh, thousands of people have left.

Tens of thousands of people have left Minnesota.

Crazy.

I know so many people even in my neighborhood that have that have moved.

So it's gotten so much worse under this guy who got married on the fifth anniversary of Tinnemann Square because he loves the idea of tanks mowing over

protesters?

Who votes for him?

How does he get elected in the state?

Well, this is what's interesting.

The last time a Republican has held a statewide office in Minnesota was 2006.

It's been a while.

Palenti, or who was that?

Yeah, Tim Palenti, when he was elected as governor.

We saw the House get a little closer in the legislature this time around.

But the last time we had a DFL trifecta for the first time.

For people who aren't familiar, we explain what DFL is.

So that's the Democratic

Farm and Labor DFL.

The Democratic Party.

It's the Democratic Party, but your state is different in lots of ways.

Yes, yes, it is.

But I always have said that with Minnesota, you have a couple blue cities, but the state is very red, probably more red now than ever before.

Minnesota was Democrat, but like in a

German Scandinavian, you know, sort of working class, but clean, upright.

Not in a radical way.

At all.

Like very old-fashioned

labor Democrats of the kind that I kind of love.

I don't think we disagree on much.

And how did it become neoliberal, nihilistic?

Well, that's even my husband talks about this.

He grew up as a Democrat.

His dad was an electrician.

He was a union working class.

That's how it worked.

That has totally changed.

These are not polyamory Democrats.

These are not ayahuasca Democrats.

You have like a city council, though, in Minneapolis that primarily is, they are socialists.

They are self-proclaimed socialists that are running the city council of Minneapolis.

But we've just seen it go more and more to the left each and every year.

But even Walls, I will say that I don't think people were completely familiar with his background

when he was elected.

So who backed him?

You don't just get elected to statewide office anywhere by the DFL has all the money.

I mean, it's like 10 to 1, 100 to 1.

It's unbelievable what they can spend.

But it is a lot of out of

state.

Out of state money.

Yes.

Yeah.

Very little, actually, locally.

And so Minnesota, like every other place in the country, is just like totally dominated by out-of-state leftists, billionaires who hate America, want to destroy it.

That's what I think is so telling.

Keith Ellison, not from Minnesota.

He's, you know, the law enforcement officer for the state.

Tim Walls, Fry,

a lot of these people, and they've done so much damage in a pretty short amount of time.

So they're all from out of state.

They're all paid by donors from out of state.

None of this has anything to do with Minnesota.

And they've completely taken over your state and changed it utterly, packed it with immigrants, by the way, changed the

nature of who lives there, the demographics of it completely.

And none of it was organic.

Like it wasn't like the people of Minnesota asked for this.

It wasn't democracy.

Yeah, there's always this like Minnesota nice.

I'm sure you've probably heard that because nice people live there.

But Minnesota naive.

I'm like, are we really that naive?

I mean, I can, I'm not that naive, which is why I'm trying to, you know, do something about it.

Yeah.

And, you know, it's this land of 10,000 lakes that seems to have turned into the land of 10,000 lies.

So many lies,

sadly.

Who's Keith Ellison?

Well,

quite a bit about him in my book as well.

But when we talk about even just this war on the police that has been waged in Minneapolis across the state of Minnesota,

he

was an attorney

who came to Minnesota

and

represented gang members.

decades ago.

In fact, represented a gang member who was responsible for executing a Minneapolis police officer, Jerry Hoff.

He was involved

in that.

It's hard to believe, I think, by any cops in the state, however, he was elected to be our attorney general.

But is very anti-law enforcement, that's clear.

Besides the four...

And what's his job now?

He is the attorney general of

the chief law enforcement officer in the state, but he's very anti-law enforcement.

Correct.

Okay.

Yes.

It's like a vegetarian butcher.

It just doesn't work.

It actually makes no sense at all.

But in addition to these four officers, there was another female officer criminally charged

and another Minneapolis police officer criminally charged as well.

So this is

six

police officers charged.

They tried to charge another Minnesota state trooper criminally recently, and the charges were dropped.

We also lost in the line of duty five

first responders.

One was a firefighter paramedic in a matter of 13 months in Minnesota.

Lost hat.

What do you mean?

You have just this anti-law enforcement rhetoric murdered on the job.

Five?

In a matter of a year, basically.

Again, something.

Did anyone name a ballpark after any of them?

No.

Right.

So this is nihilists from out of state who hate the United States, hate Christianity, who are trying to

invert our society and destroy it.

And I'm not saying it's the Chinese, but like,

I don't know, I don't know what this is, but it's not bubbling up from the people of Minnesota, is it?

No, in fact, I have never,

I struggle sometimes finding people that will say openly that they even support Walls.

As a reporter, it's really shocking to me.

I was actually trying to help some news crews that were in town saying, okay, well, maybe go to this festival or that.

They were struggling to find people to go on camera that even,

you know, would openly admit to supporting him.

In fact, his home area in Mankato, where he lived for 20 years, they voted for Trump.

And Walls was on the ticket with Kamala.

So what does that tell you?

Who's going to be governor next?

That's a great question.

He's likely running again.

Tim Walls.

It sounds that way, gearing up too, at this point.

Huh.

You think of all the money that we spend.

We spend a trillion dollars a year on the military.

I'm not against the military, I guess.

But,

I mean, maybe we could spend some of that money improving our cities or finding better leaders or something, right?

It's just such a tragedy.

So let's talk about Minneapolis, the city.

All eyes were on it five years ago, almost exactly five years ago, summer of 2020.

And the idea was there are all these like systemic racism problems.

Nikki Haley told us there.

And this was going to cleanse them through fire.

Like, what's the city like now?

You've been there, you said your whole life.

Is it better?

It's unrecognizable in many areas.

Not better.

Yet to find anybody who thinks the city is better five years later.

It's unrecognizable in what way?

Businesses boarded up.

People

gone.

There was a very bustling.

I worked downtown.

That's where WCCO

was.

For 14 years, no problem walking around downtown.

That was just part of life.

Vibrant people out having lunch.

It's a ghost town uh downtown uh graffiti crime i can't even

i can't even begin to tell you even just just yesterday an 11-year-old boy shot in the middle of the day in a park uh killed something like that would never um

happen

and it's daily weekly that these horrific things happen they never even tracked uh carjackings in the city of minneapolis before because they just maybe won a year um in the wake of floyd there was, I think, 700 the year after.

But it went from one to 700 in one year?

In just a year.

They had to, and they, and again, they don't have no, they have no cops.

So, and you also have policies that have been so dramatically changed.

It's a use of force report basically that they have to fill out if you handcuff a person and arresting them.

You have to call a supervisor to get permission.

These are things that are now put in place.

You have these violence interrupter groups that have taken over

for the cops that are basically just seen sitting on their phones

every day.

And that's where our tax dollars are going to pay for these groups.

Many of them have connections to Keith Allison.

That's documented.

But when I say unrecognizable, it's almost even hard to explain how different life is in Minneapolis now.

Do you go?

I go for work.

But even

I was shooting some interviews in Minneapolis just recently, and it's not uncommon to see crime for yourself happen just

on the way.

There's

somebody down the street being held at gunpoint for their car.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but it really is like the wild, wild west.

There was a naked man that one of my friends captured on

his cell phone having lunch in downtown Minneapolis, just a naked guy walking around

on the street.

Drug deals happening.

You can see them from above in some of the high-rise buildings when people even do go.

But it's sad.

It used to be a place where you'd go see a show.

And certainly people are still doing that, but not anywhere close to what it once, what it was before.

Five years ago.

Right.

This is not like in the 70s.

This is five years ago.

Right.

Right.

Is there, are there, so I'll just, I'll just be totally blunt with you, Liz.

I'm overwhelmed by what you've said.

I'm really sad about it, even though I'm not from there.

Are there any signs of hope that this slide can be arrested, that things can get better?

You know, I'm always a hopeful person, and I think that's why I

did jump ship and wanted to play a part in telling the truth and join independent media.

And I've definitely seen more people open their eyes.

At least we're willing to now have these conversations.

But when you have a political assassination that takes place and you're just like, how is this?

This isn't the state that I grew up in.

Again, it seems to be unrecognizable.

But

I remain hopeful

because it really is.

It's a beautiful state.

Wonderful people

made me who I am.

And I think there are more of us than we realize.

Sometimes you can feel a little bit out there and alone,

but there are more of us than we realize.

Do you think there's any chance that the normal people who are actually from, unlike Jacob Fry, from Minnesota, like

take their state back?

Yeah, I think that there are many people who even five years ago, I mean, I'll just say during the fall of Minneapolis, I mean, I couldn't even find a hairstylist or a makeup artist because this was crazy.

If you could, if you would be willing to tell the truth about this.

But you couldn't find someone to do your hair?

People were so afraid to attach themselves to, and it is completely different now.

I mean, if you see,

you know, people are willing to step up and speak out now, and that wasn't the case.

Whatever happened to Black Lives Matter?

Do they still exist?

Are they just run off with all the real estate?

And does it?

I think they, yeah, they, they came in, made a bunch of money, and

left town.

I don't.

Are they working to improve the lives of black people?

I haven't seen it in Minneapolis.

Boy, they were the most famous group in the world there there for a while.

We had to bow down before them and wash their feet and stuff.

But they just, they're gone.

Yeah, I've always said that that's the story, right?

Black lives, sadly, in Minneapolis have never mattered less.

I mean, this is, they've become,

and many of them have reached out.

I've done many stories.

Their lives, they want police back.

They want protection.

And they just, they don't have it anymore.

Yeah.

And also, it's like it's not even about black or white or it's about America.

And you don't have a right to shoot people.

You can't do that.

Whether you want your neighborhood wants police presence or not, it's kind of not up to you.

We don't put up with murder here because we're a civilized country.

That's my view.

Last question.

If people are interested in following your reporting, where do they find it?

So thefallofminneapolis.com is where you can go.

More information about the book and the documentary is free.

You can see it right there.

And also, we've done many follow-up stories since on everything that's taken place in Minneapolis.

You'll find it on that website.

Liz Collin on X is where you can find my reporting and alphanews.org, a team of independent reporters in Minnesota working to uncover all of this.

Bless you for doing it.

I'm sure it's thankless a lot of the time, but I think it's important to tell the truth, whether it's acknowledged as true at the time, you are creating a documentary record that at the very least historians can assess to find out what really happened.

And I just think objectively that matters.

Like you want the truth out there.

It's a good thing, always.

Thank you, Tucker.

Thank you.

Please, Colin.

I appreciate it.

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