Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?

So, the last time, I think the last time we were physically together was when we worked together at Fox News.

Crazy.

Hosting a morning show whose name I will not mention. I've always been embarrassed in the name of that show.

There's some nice people on the show, nice people working on the show. I don't want to attack the show, but the name always made me cringe.

But anyway.

Morning Joe.

Morning Joe.

So good. You, me, Mika.
Right. A lot of xanax right all of the neocons oh my gosh and then you went off into business i think you're the only person i've ever seen leave an anchor position in television voluntarily no one ever does that they wait to get destroyed in a sex scandal or scandal or get dementia or something.
But you actually just left and went into business and were successful. And then you moved to Europe with your family, your beautiful family.
And then the next time I heard of you, I was taking my trash out and my neighbor goes, did you see what Clayton and Natalie said? And I'm like, I only know one Clayton and Natalie. And I was like, Clayton Morris? Natalie Morris? And he's like, yeah, and Redacted, their show, did you see it? And I was like, no.
Anyway, and then I dove in and I saw that you had become legit successful in a completely different business saying things that I loved and that were true and really brave. So it's just great to see you after all this time.
What a life story you've had. It's amazing.
I'm just so thrilled. I just saw you in the parking lot.
I was like, oh my God, I don't run up and give you a hug because it's been eight or nine years. Yeah.
It's crazy to think, I mean, the trajectory and I find it very difficult to relate to people that haven't been beat up. No.
Scratched. Totally agree with that.
Gone through the ringer, you know? It's like operating at a different level now, you know? Well, it's funny. I do remember in commercial breaks because on those morning shows you have really long commercial breaks.
Yeah. And then, you know, one anchor will take a segment or whatever.
There's like a lot of time sitting on the dumb couch. And you never wasted a second of it.
I'd like stare off into space like a dog or text my wife naughty things. But you are constantly either doing business or reading about things.
I'll never forget that. You're totally absorbed in your studies and your work in commercial breaks.
How did you wind up with Redacted? Like how how did that, I've never even asked you, how'd that happen? You know, after we left, so 10 years at Fox, great time, had a blast. But, you know, you realize, oh, I've been doing the same sort of segments over and over again.
You know, you're doing like the same breakfast cereal segment over and over again after 10 years. And you're saying, okay, I want something different now.
I want to be able to see my kids on the weekend. I don't want to have to wake up at 3.30 in the morning, you know, and when everyone else is at the park with their kids on a weekend, you know, people at bagel shops and stuff like that.
And so I didn't get to do that. And my wife would send me pictures, what the kids were doing, you know, making little projects or things.
And I would be at work, which is, you know, great. So then I, you know, it was after 10 years, I said, okay, enough is enough.
And it's time to do something for myself and for my family. And then we thought about where in the world we would live, what part of the country would we live in? And we started thinking bigger about, well, maybe we'll just have this adventure and go to Europe and give that a shot.
And we thought, well, Portugal, that's close enough to the East Coast. It's actually faster to fly from the East Coast of the U.S.
to Lisbon than it is from the East Coast to San Francisco, where my wife's family is from. So, great.
The kids are young enough. We have three kids.
Like, let's give them this adventure. Let's try it for ourselves.
And things were getting crazy in the United States at the time. That's for sure.
Descending into a crime haven, wide open borders and all of that. So it was an opportunity, I think, for us to go there.
And then I started thinking, wait a second, because I can't just sit still. I have to be creating or working on something.
Maybe it's the Capricorn energy. I can't just like not be creating.
I think that's why we're here also. Of course.
Like, you know, I don't want to choose an easy life. Comfort is not the point.
So I enjoy creating and making things and trying things and, you know, I don't know, building a channel. And all of those things are interesting to me and always to me.
But I, you'll find out really quickly if you're doing it and you don't love it, it'll fizzle out after like a month, you know? So I always encourage people, you know, just try things, you know, if you want to start a business, just try it. And if it speaks to you and, you know, then you'll do it.
So I realized we're there in Europe and we've got a five-hour time difference, a jump on sort of the morning of the East Coast of the United States. And I'm a news junkie, so I'm always constantly seeing what was going on and watching what's going on with COVID.
You're seeing all of these world events. And I thought, I want to talk about this.
I want to be able to do something. So I launched this show kind of in the morning.
And I remember years ago, because I lived in Los Angeles, I hated being three hours behind the East Coast.

And I worked on a morning show called Good Day LA, and I was a producer then. And I hated,

it was like two in the morning knowing that people on the East Coast already had to kind of jump on

the world. It sort of bothered me mentally.
So, now I had a five-hour jump on the East Coast.

And I said, I'm going to start to do a morning show. Again, I grew up doing morning shows for 20 years.
Maybe I should try that here, but now I don't have to wake up at three in the morning. I can just do it.
And started it during COVID, really during all of the lies that were pouring out of COVID. And at the time, my father had just gotten, just had a stroke.
It was going through not being able to see him in a hospital. And hearing the ridiculous rules that were unfolding, both in Europe but in the United States about COVID and lockdowns and standing six feet apart and nursing homes in New York and Andrew Cuomo, all of these things were converging, I think, at the same time.
Printing money, we're just going to hand out thousands of dollars in checks to people, and keep them home, and no businesses will run. We're going to kill chickens.
All these farmers were killing animals. Something's like, I just, I don't know.
That was really the impetus for me to to start the show and then it evolved more i realized we're not talking most about money we're really talking about a lot of redacted things and that's where i came up with the idea for the name redacted because we were holding up like pfizer's own documents on the show and like they're redacted or ufo files that were redacted. And I said, I just was sitting there one afternoon just kind of contemplating, and I said, that's the name of the show, just redacted.
That's just going to be the name of the show. And then I conned my wife into doing the show with me.
She's a journalist by trade. She's an amazing writer and really an amazing researcher.
And I said, you're going to do the show with me. And she said, yeah, I think I want to.
I don't know that I want to. And now she's just come alive.
It's just been amazing to watch her, this sort of San Francisco liberal, like transform. And now she's angry.
She can't. It's so amazing to watch her be angry at all the lies that she's been told over the years.
She's angrier than me because I was sort of in it. Yeah, yeah.
You know, and I worked at Fox and I was seeing the pattern of lies. And I didn't quite understand the neocon pattern of lies as well as I do now.
But she, you know, who would read Hillary Clinton's books back in the day and, you know now, she's warmonger. And it's been amazing to see her come alive with that.
And she'll just get angry about it. And she'll say, aren't you angry about it? I say, yes, but I've known a lot of this, what Obama has droned these people.
But she's amazing. She's now run with it in such a way that I'm just so touched to watch.
And I think we do a great job together in kind of keeping each other in balance. Well, it's certainly been successful, like way more than anyone would have predicted, probably even you.
Oh, for sure. I would have thought this is just going to be a drop in the ocean.
No, no, no. I checked your numbers this morning, yes.
Quite successful and well-deserved and just an amazing story. So you spent five years to the day in Europe.
You're now back in the United States. But you spent five years in Portugal at a time when Europe was really, really changing.
Or the changes that had already taken place had become, I think, more obvious to those paying attention. What was your view after living there for that long? First, let me say, because I want to be respectful of the Portuguese people.
They were amazing. The people are amazing.
It's the government. Yes.
And I feel really terribly for the Portuguese people who, in many ways, and this is across Europe, they've really given up their power to Brussels. Yes.
So 80% of all the decisions that are really made in Portugal aren't made in Portugal. They're made in Brussels.
So they have to fund the boondoggle in Ukraine. they have to send the one tank that they have from the 1970s that might may or may not still be working to ukraine because of some dog and pony show propaganda so i saw democracy so the right the portuguese the millions of portuguese people have no say over their own lives or where their.
No, no, and transact the way that they want to be able to transact in cash the way that they want. It's all outsourced, you know, to Christine Lagarde or Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels who get to tell them how to live their lives.
And the Portuguese people do not like the European Union. I think most people in the European Union, I can't speak for everyone, of course, but you ask the common person, the worker, the laborer, the restaurant owner, the Adega owner, do you like the European Union? They don't know them.
They don't know the unelected people in Brussels. Yes.
And no, they don't.

They know their local, you know, local county representatives and those individuals.

But those people are all hamstrung by what happens in Brussels. Just to give you an idea, like, I don't know if you saw, I think it was last year, maybe a year and a half ago now, Christine Lagarde was, I think, punked, but told some pretty open truths about Europeans being able to transact with cash.
And she said in this fake interview that on the gray market, if you spend more than a certain couple hundred dollars of euros that you're considered part of the gray market aka a terrorist so if you spend it on like nuclear materials or small arms or no no pay your gardener you're a terrorist so yeah if you're buying plutonium to create the flux capacitor in order to travel back in time, you might be on the gray market. But no, just to transact in cash.
I mean – For anything. For anything.
And if you look across Europe, every European country has a different threshold. So, Spain, for instance, 1,000 euros.
If you spend more than 1,000 euros in cash, you're considered on the gray market, aka a terrorist. Every country is different.
Some 500 euros, 800 euros, 1,500 euros. And across the board, the European threshold now is 10,000 euros to be able to transact in cash.
And anything more than that, you're on the gray market. What's the idea there? The idea is that terrorists use cash.
And so therefore, if you use cash, then you're a terrorist. But terrorists don't use open borders that they created.
No, they don't use open borders. Terrorists adhere to local state regulations and laws.
Fair. So what I saw happening in Europe was, you know, when we emigrated to Portugal, we had to go through massive hoops and hurdles of paperwork to show that we were people of means.

Yes.

Right?

To show that we weren't going to leech off of their system.

Fair.

Which is fair.

Yeah.

And great.

We are a guest in your country. Let's be respectful of your country, your tax laws.
We, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, on the beach yeah they pretend that they're working on a laptop yeah you know and they're really not i mean come on and um so we would hear we heard that like don't do that because the European – they're watching. Like they're watching you for tax purposes.
We're like, well, we're not going to do that. We pay our taxes.
We'll be respectful. We had no intention of like not paying our taxes here.
But apparently it was happening a lot. So we went through, made sure everything was legit, met with the tax authority, set our business up, all of it.
Paperwork, got our residency cards, all of those pieces that you would normally do if you're coming into a country legally and you're being respectful of their laws. So I don't want to say I'm elite or something, but there's much more regulation for someone like me than there are for criminals.
So you can just come across the border and then just have gang opportunities and do whatever you want, I guess, if you're a criminal. But if you're a person of means who has children and wants to do things legitimately, then you're going to have to jump through massive amounts of hoops and hurdles in order to immigrate.
But want to walk into Germany? Want to go to a park and be a part of a gang and attack young girls? I'm sure that's fine. Europe has totally welcomed that.
They've had wide open borders all across Europe, and now they're reaping what they've sowed. It seems like suicide to me, big picture.
It seems like a society that wants to kill itself. It does.
But if you talk to the Portuguese people or you talk to the European people, whether you're in Belgium, and I've gotten, since I lived there, traveled all over that area. Talk to, you know, talk to an inn owner in Scotland, for instance.

Talk to a restaurant owner in Edinburgh.

Talk to some workers in Munich.

They don't want that.

But they've conceded their power to this unelected body in Brussels that runs the show. I mean, you saw it on display over the past few weeks.

Vladimir Zelensky comes to the White House, gets a dressing down, and that little cocaine

sniffing troll is there.

You know, he didn't look like a deer in headlights.

And then he's totally welcomed with open arms in Europe.

I mean, they roll out the red carpet for him.

Ursula von der Leyen in her half a can of hairspray hair.

I'm sure there's like a squirrel living in there somewhere. And then you have Costa from Portugal.
And by the way, what's hilarious to me and to Natalie as well, we joke about these people in Europe, that the people that are now a part of like the European Commission in Belgium, they've all failed up. This is what Natalie likes to say.
They've failed up because all of these people, whether it's Marco Ruta in the Netherlands, who's kicked out of the Netherlands, is now the head of NATO. Costa, huge scandal in Portugal, is now sitting in Brussels.
Ursula von der Leyen. I'm trying to think who else has failed up.
All around that table are people who've basically failed up. They should have been kicked out.
They've basically been kicked out of their countries. But then they get elevated in positions of power in Brussels, which is hilarious.
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When i was a kid in the 70s used to hear feminists say give a woman a chance you know it'll be more peaceful world which not a crazy idea i mean all the women in my life are peaceful and loving um and so i kind of thought that's probably true actually yeah you know men fight wars and and all that women don't but then we wind up with all these female leaders who are the most warlike and bloodthirsty and just can't wait to murder people. They just can't wait.
You can see that girl from Estonia. I mean, she would kill people without even flinching.
A foreign minister in Germany, Baerbock. Yeah, what is that? She publicly said that she cares more about the Ukrainian people than her own German people.
But that's killing. I mean, they're for killing.
They're all— Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton? I mean, you see that in our country, the most warlike, the quickest to Dick Cheney's repulsive little daughter. Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland.
What is that? i don't know what it is i i what is that i think it's the weirdest thing i've ever seen well i guess i mean it comes it's got to come from their father right so i'd be an interesting sort of sociological look they can't wait to shed blood exactly to look at hillary clinton's father to look at susan rice's father to look at victoria newland's father like is there a common denominator i don't know i don't have the research on that it's bizarre i'm gonna work on that i'm gonna so is there a common denominator? I don't know. I don't have the research on that.
It's bizarre. I'm going to work on that.
So how do you, I mean, I don't know if it's noble, but how do the, you know, the citizens with no power in a place like Portugal feel about the idea of marching off to war with Russia? They abhor it. You know, Portugal has a long history, of course, of war.

So they abhor war. They were the first warriors.
I mean, talk about conquering other countries. They know a lot about bloodshed.
They've done it to a great degree around the world. So they don't want to be a part of that anymore.
Yes. They've tried it.
And in fact, many ways, when I first moved there, I thought the United States could learn a lot about the Portuguese. The sort of colonizing and the empire building.
Yes. And what it does to your country.
You know, what it does to destroy your country. What it does to your culture.
So, the United States could learn quite a bit about saying, eh, we tried that. We tried that for the last 60 years.
We're in Sudan. We're in Syria killing people.
We are in Yemen killing people. We're in Ukraine clandestinely killing people.
Maybe we should pull back from this. We're in operations in Haiti, for crying out loud.
I mean where aren't we we have we have over 900 military bases around the world to me that's like 900 too many personally i'm sure there are neocons who would argue against that we need here's well in fact there are neocons who argue against that we need to have bases in stuttgart right we need to have an island that was unoccupied in Japan is now a US military base, you know, basically two years ago. We need to be in Australia.
We've taken over Australia, basically. It's basically a proxy for the United States.
You know, we need to have a massive new NATO base in Poland. Of course we do.
Romania. And Romania, because of our security.
So the European people, and again, I can't speak for all of them, but I mean, the Portuguese people that I know absolutely don't want war. But it's amazing.
It was amazing to watch because as this whole theater was unfolding in Ukraine, the Portuguese just basically, they kind of go along with it. I mean, they were a socialist government up until, well, still led by socialists, but they were really under Salazar up until the 70s.
So when the government tells them to do something, they do it. When they get a text alert telling them they need to go and get their COVID shot, the Portuguese are rule followers.
They are absolutely rule followers. They will do it.
Most people are. Yeah.
And when you have a government that threatens you, you know, and you're just trying to take care of your family, you don't want something to happen to your children, your way of life. You don't want to get some nasty gram in the mail threatening your life.
Most people are compliant in that way. So they get a text message, go and get your next, you know, second COVID shot.
You got your first one, go get it. You know, you get a text message and they got it.
They were at a report to a center to go and do that, you know. It's unbelievable.
And I would get in fights because I'm an American. People would tell me to put on a mask, you know, authorities, and I'd tell them like no and I would yell at them about putting on a COVID mask.
I'm not going to do it, You know, trying to go to the grocery store. You got to put it, no, I'm not wearing it.
You know, so we get in fights. I was getting fights a lot.
And my wife would be like, hey, just, you know, so. I've lived it.
As a good wife would, you know, like, so, and I just would yell at the ridiculousness of these things. For instance, there's a, there's a thing along in Kashkaiish Bay.
I don't know if you've ever had a chance to go to kashqaiish which is just outside of lisbon it's a beautiful little like uh very like wealthy area i guess um and it's very cosmopolitan so you get a lot of different you know french there yeah british there um wealthy portuguese it's very interesting area it's more of a touristy area. But anyway, there's a big seawall called the Peridou, and it runs along the ocean for about five kilometers.
And while we were renting an apartment there for a little while, I would walk the dog along there. And it's very wide.
I mean, it's maybe 40 feet, 50 feet wide. It's huge.
Bike paths on it. There's like workout equipment, the whole thing.
Like, so it's wide. And the ocean is right there.
It's beautiful. It's all stone.
So take the dog on a walk. Then when COVID hits, they shut it down.
They put like the police tape around all the outside workout equipment that sits in the sun, by the way. So you couldn't work out.
You couldn't do any pull-ups or anything like that because I guess COVID could survive out in this by the ocean. I don't know if you've ever had a bicycle by the ocean.
You sit there for like a day. It's all rusted.
But COVID can survive on workout equipment in the sun. It's ridiculous.
So I'm glad they put police tape all around this stuff. COVID doesn't rust.
Right. Right.
It doesn't run. So, you know, you would walk along this paradigms.
Now they roped it off. You couldn't do it anymore.
And there would be surfers out in the water still kind of breaking the rules and the police. So the surfers were constantly running from the police because they, Portuguese love surfing.
They have some of the best surfers in the world. So they're out surfing and the police would pull down and And the surfers were constantly running from the police because they portuguese love surfing they have some of the best surfers in the world so they're out surfing and the police would pull down and the surfers you'd see them scatter along the waves and run up the banks to get away from the police who are constantly chasing them out of the ocean surfing while they were you know while covid was striking you know anyway all that to say we pause and say, what's interesting is, I mean, a country like that needs a revolution.

Yeah.

And hopefully not a violent one.

I'm against violence.

But it needs a revolution.

Like, any government that do that to its own people needs to be overthrown in some way or another.

But I bet you that Portugal, like the rest of the West, didn't even come close.

No.

Not even close.

I mean, when they told you to stay inside, there was no one on the street.

You know, the rule on the weekend was you had to be in your house by noon. Noon? Noon.
You couldn't, or noon or, yeah, noon or two o'clock, forgive me for, but it was right around the hot, you know. Once you were done with your lunch, basically, you couldn't be on the streets.
You couldn't be driving a car, any of that. And so, whole communities would just shut down.
And, you know, I never left the house anyway,, so it was okay for me. So I'd just take a walk with the dog or whatever, but it was unbelievable.
You couldn't be out. All the restaurants were forced to shut down.
What if you didn't want to get the COVID facts? Um, did anyone not get it there? No. I mean, it was like over what it's like Israel.
I think it was like overwhelming. Like everyone got it right.
I think think it was like... In Israel, I think everyone...
Well, I don't know, but I keep reading that. Wouldn't you love to see the data? Because I'm sure they'll keep it hidden from us.
And I've been very curious about the Israeli data. They had some of the best reporting, like their VAERS system.
Yeah. Way better than the United States for data.
Right. Which is the vaccine injury, self- self-reported vaccine injury.
Exactly. So only a fraction of injuries were reported to the VAERS system in the United States.
Yes. Right.
So we know that a fraction... In Israel, they have all the data.
I would love to know what all that vaccine injury data looks like if they ever come forward with it fully. And maybe they have, and I haven't seen it yet, that would be fascinating to look into i'm sure someone out there would um would look into that but anyway the same with portugal i mean very high rates of of getting you know anyone who didn't take it um no wow yeah so it was pretty much universal uptake yeah.
That's crazy. And we were lucky because we were, you know, residents.
We didn't have to. Like we were so, thank God, like our kids, nothing like that.
But all the kids, like every, like Portuguese, as far as I know, had to, was required. And they would send out text alerts.
We would get text alerts like, get your kids vaccinated. And I was like, no way.
Sorry, not going to happen. But I'm sure Portuguese kids did.
So again, I would love to know what the actual data is from Europe once all the dust settles from this. The white fibrous clots that we're seeing, of course, all across the United States now, the massive white fibrous clots that we're seeing from people living and dead that undertakers are seeing in the United States at record levels.
They've never seen it before. Where are these? Oh, I've been an undertaker for 40 years.
I've never once seen these massive white fibrous clots that seem to have begun in the past few years as a result of something. Maybe we could look into that.
just a suggestion no but we won't look into it i'm sure um so yeah all yeah all that to say like walking along that seawall i just to make this analogy that's all roped off 40 feet of wide open space but you can walk up the street on the sidewalk in portrait of the sidewalks like this big. Like you could fit basically me on the sidewalk.
You have to turn sideways when you're walking, but that's open. So let's just be clear.
I can't walk down here where I'm going to walk into somebody. I wouldn't walk into somebody.
I have 15 feet of birth. Up there, I have to pass right next to somebody and that's their law.
So it was ridiculous. It was all over the place.
In many ways, it was worse than the United States. But nobody got together and said, hey, we need to overthrow this tyrannical government.
No. No.
No, of course. So that is like the deep last.
No, I mean, if you grew up in the United States hearing about, which I'm sure no one ever mentions at this point, but, you know, the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution and, you know, free people determined to remain free and throwing off the yoke of tyranny and using arms to do it. But also, but more than just violence, but, you know, explaining why they're doing it.
Right. And standing on true principle.
If you grew up hearing about that, then you think, well, that, you know, that desire to be free beats in every human heart. And, you know, but I guess it doesn't.
I don't really know. But there's no evidence that anybody is organizing to push back against this.
And I just want to say really clearly, I think they should. But no one seems to be.
Although I see some bright spots. I mean, over the past few days, massive protests in Paris against Emmanuel the and the french funding of ukraine yes uh i would definitely see demonstrations people organizing but not very large and you have to understand also there's massive censorship and there are you know you will be you we have canceling you know cancel culture.
I have journalist friends in Portugal who lost their jobs because they spoke out.

They were, you know, university.

They spoke out against Ukraine.

They were journalists and they were telling the Portuguese people what was actually happening in Ukraine. And they were fired from their positions at university.

In Portugal, they would fire an on-air journalist for opposing the Ukraine war. Yeah we would have that i'm just glad that would never happen in the united states can you imagine it's amazing it's been amazing to me to watch the unfolding the propaganda it's amazing that it took this long so a few weeks agoky's in the Oval Office.
I don't know if you saw that. And it was like bring your kid to work day, you know, at the Oval Office.
And like let daddy speak now here in the Oval Office about what's actually happening. But it was amazing.
Suddenly then, of course, social media exploded with people for the first time. It seemed like understanding that, wait a second, this isn't all as it seems here.
And then, of course, you had the massive, the same massive army, the bot army and everything else from a few years ago that was really defending the war in Ukraine, which had really been lessened over the past few years. I don't know if their CIA bot farms or whatever were drying up in Ukraine.

The CIA was repositioning resources for how they were going to carry that out. Suddenly, it was like a flood.
It was like, oh my God, they flipped the servers back on or something like that. Victoria Nuland got on the phone and was like, hey, get the websites back up again.
Get the bot army going on social media and trying to protect the war in ukraine because now trump was showing the truth here and jd vance were showing the truth it was unfolding so it's been this unbelievable resurgence over the past few weeks uh to the propaganda for ukraine you saw the massive ukrainian flag being unfurled in washington d.C. the other day.
Who funded that?

Flags are popping up all over again.

Like, I've seen them just driving around.

Ukrainian flags are now back in people's windows again.

People are putting the Ukrainian flags back in their social media profiles again.

Like, what the hell's going on in the past few days?

Like, it's just, it's unbelievable to watch.

And it's not just bots.

It's like, it's the Wall Street Journal. It's, you know, Neil Ferguson, the eminent historian.
And, you know, it's a lot of people, actually, all of a sudden are like, no, no, no, no, no. We're, you know, four square behind Zelensky.
Where do those orders come from? Like, what is that? Zelensky can't win. He's helped destroy his own country.
I think the united states has destroyed his country i think the biden administration destroyed his country i actually don't think it's really zelinski's fault if i'm being honest but whatever like we did ukraine wrong and yet all these people some of them with jobs and they're not bots they're human beings i know some of them they're like all in like i what is that i don't understand to me it's a kind of a madness

yeah it does feel that way because i something that's happened to me over the past year i maybe

i've become more empathetic good but when it comes to not knowing things

like i have more empathy now for people who,

like a family of five that got three kids,

they work all day,

they get a few minutes of news at night,

they flip on CNN or another channel,

like it's no longer in business,

but I think you even used to work there a few years ago,

but it just went out of business called MSNBC.

Like they'll flip on that, you know, and work there a few years ago, but it just went out of business called MSNBC. Like they'll flip on,

like they'll flip on that,

you know,

and they get a few minutes of news

and then they've put their kids to bed,

they make dinner or whatever.

So I have empathy for those people.

Oh gosh,

yes.

Where I lose my empathy is for people who

have access to this information,

whether it's, you know, neocons in Washington or whatever else. They know.
Are you speaking directly of Ann Applebaum? Yes, Ann Applebaum, whose husband... The staff at the Atlantic.
Whose, like, husband, what, cheerled the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline? Yeah. You know? Radek Sikorsky, lunatic.
Yeah. So, these who have access to the information, but then choose to go the evil route, that's where I lose it.
You know? So again, I have empathy for people that just don't understand. And you see this awakening, I think over the past few weeks about like, what was this dressing down of Zelensky in the Oval Office? Like, I don't understand.
Wait a second. I thought he was the hero.
We see him on the Grammys, right? He pops up every time there's an award show. He's for money thank you for standing with ukraine like he's our guy so wait a minute you're telling me that this is wrong but nobody cares about ukraine we just watch like the murder of like its entire young male population and like we're we want more to die so we're not for ukraine we're against russia and we're so against russia that calling someone pro-Russia is a slur, basically.
But no one ever explains why are we supposed to be against Russia. Like, I feel like I'm coming to a conversation late.
I missed the predicate. Like, the part where you explain to me why I have to hate Russia.
I'm totally agnostic on Russia. Well, now I have been to Moscow a couple of times.
I think it's the most beautiful city I've ever been to. So I like Moscow.
But I still don't even have strong feelings about Russia. Why am I supposed to hate Russia? Like, what is this? Because, like, they mistreat...
I don't... I'm going to speculate what this is, but I don't get it still three years in.
Didn't you see the movie Red Dawn in the 1980s? But those are the Soviets! Like, I'm totally'm totally opposed they invade they're going to invade us

right now but aren't you paying attention truth is it's so many of the people who are now fanatically

opposed to russia were not fanatically opposed to the soviets right so what the hell is going on

i actually think even the term ukraine is a distraction from the truth which is we are at

war we are at war with russia that war is funded by the united states primarily it's i mean some of

Thank you. action from the truth, which is we are at war with Russia.
That war is funded by the United States primarily. I mean, some of the attacks on Russia were coordinated by U.S.
military personnel in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government is supported wholly by the United States.
Our intel agencies and our intel officers are in Ukraine directing the Ukrainian intel service. So these are all facts so like we are at war with russia but why and why the hatred i think you if you so that's a brilliant question why maybe it goes back to looking at george soros and his i think an essay that he wrote in the 1990s about this because he's been largely involved in his open society project, which is the destruction of Russia.
Yes. So the destruction of Russia is meant to enable the expansion of the United States militarily and economically.
We need to destroy Russia. We need to destroy China, according to George Soros, in order for that expansion.
So George Soros intimately involved with the expansion of NATO, using Slavic people, not Americans, to die on behalf of George Soros and NGOs like USAID and others to have this massive change. So Adam Schiff said it publicly on the House floor for crying out loud.
I mean, I played that clip a million times. We, they die over there, so we don't have to, we fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here.
It's the same thing, I don't know if you saw Eric Swalwell last week for crying out loud. He said this is the greatest investment we've ever made.
Meaning, and he said, zero Americans have died, which is a lie, by the way, because there's actually been a number of Americansicans that have died fighting russia in ukraine a bunch of americans have died it'd be interesting to see finally when those families have been told to sign ndas and not speak about it i know for a fact that americans have died in ukraine fighting russia of course some of it's on camera by the way yeah um but they'll deny it they'll say that these were just mercenaries they weren't tied to it they're just oh they were there voluntarily like the guy who tried to kill trump in mar-a-lago like you know these are just these are we have no control over these people that's total bullshit of course you have control over these people well well you could you know very easily say that and we probably should say that no american is allowed to serve in a foreign military. I don't understand I mean, we have

a person serving on the National Security Council right now who served in the Ministry of Defense in a foreign country. Like, no.
How about no? You're not allowed to have multiple citizenships. You're not allowed to serve in a foreign military.
What? If that's not disloyal, I don't know what know what is we have a military we have all kinds of clear and present threats basically because the people serving in foreign militaries you know encouraged us to get involved in all this crap anyway whatever yeah we could clearly shut that down and we haven't do we you made reference to ndas do you think that people have been pushed to sign ndas oh for, for sure. The families of those who have fallen, specifically, in Ukraine.
I wonder how many people, I wonder if we're talking, you know, President Trump, transparency, how many Americans have died in Ukraine fighting Russia? And then how many families of those special forces or, you know, just NATO, whatever, NATO soldiers have had to sign NDAs about their service there. That's wild.
I never even thought of that. I've had, you know, former members of the CIA tell me that.
High-ranking members of the military tell me that. So, I would like to know.
Maybe the Trump administration can pull these numbers out and we can hear more about that. How many Americans have died because we know french polish polish more than anyone dying in ukraine um i mean talk about a country that's been destroyed i was about to say i hate to say it but the poles who i think are great people for the record never met a pole i didn't like except for an apple bomb's husband but um boy they always end up bearing the brunt of everything in europe yeah massive nato bases flood of refugees that have completely changed their country um millions of ukrainian refugees that poured across the border that they just welcomed in with open arms the language totally changed in neighborhoods across across poland so instead of speaking polish you're just hearing just hearing Ukrainian now through these neighborhoods completely change that.
So when I look at the project and going back, you know, go back to the 90s, you know, go back just a few years to 2014, I've seen this awakening, or at least an awareness over the past week, once Trump and J.D. Vance dressed down Zelensky in the Oval Office to say because Zelensky lied right to their faces multiple times that Putin violated our exchange of prisoners.
He violated the Minsk agreements. Well, to anyone sitting there saying, oh, really? Oh, so Putin's the bad guy.
He's the one who violated the prisoner swap. Really? No, no.
So when you start looking at it, no, that's not at all what happened. Zelensky lied right to Trump's face, right to Zelensky's face, that Putin violated the prisoner exchange in 2019.
That's total bullshit. Total BS.
In fact, Zelensky's on camera welcoming the prisoners back at a ceremony i think it was in paris in 2019 so putin didn't violate that at all in fact he adhered to it same with the minsk agreements which we know angela merkel chancellor of germany at the time joked later that they were never going to adhere to the Minsk agreements to provide peace and stick with that.

Instead, they carried out a genocide in eastern Ukraine, what was eastern Ukraine, for 10 years. No one wants to talk about the civilians that were – this infuriates me at a level – Just picture a child in Donbass or Donetsk or Luhansk walking to school and they go through a park and they pick up one of these pedal mines.
Have you seen these pedal mines? Yes. These green, they look like a leaf.
Journalist Eva Bartlett has done unbelievable work on this. But these kids, they're meant to look.
So the kids walk up to them and they pick them up and their hands blow off. That's what these civilians have been dealing with

in Donbass and Donetsk and Luhansk for 10 years.

So ethnic Russians living in those areas.

So when people say,

oh, this thing started when Putin invaded.

Okay, yes, I'm very anti-war.

So I always feel like, yes,

there's probably a way to solve it without killing people.

So in that, I'll give you that.

Putin maybe didn't need to invade in order to, And he didn't want to, by the way. He didn't want to.
His government, his parliament voted for it. He didn't want to.
So to go into eastern Ukraine, in Donbass, in Donetsk, and Luhansk, set up areas and protect those ethnic Russians who were being slaughtered for the past 10 years. And it was the United States.
It was NATO. It was Boris Johnson.
It was all of those clowns pushing NATO right up to that doorstep and coordinating these attacks. I mean, the CIA, the New York Times did a whole profile on how CIA basically runs Ukraine.
Multiple field offices. So the coup that took place in 2014, I know you've spoken at length about this.
You know all about it. I know your audience is well-educated.
They know all about it. But this was a CIA-backed coup in 2014.
We installed a Western puppet government in Ukraine after the Maidan coup to do our bidding. So I have some empathy for Zelensky and I'll tell you why.
Because here's a guy who's sitting in the White House and I feel like he doesn't know, first of all, he's not in power and he's wondering, okay, I just got off the phone with Victoria Nuland and Susan Rice before I walked in here. Exactly.
And a bunch of low IQ Republican Senator warmonger freaks. Yeah.
So probably Lindsey Graham got on the phone with him. 100% Mike Rounds and all these people.
Yeah. And they're like, hey, Vladimir, I've been to Ukraine many, many times.
We've been funneling money and weapons to you for a long time. Here's what you need to do.
You need to play hardball with Trump. When you get in there, you need to tell him, we need security guarantees.
Trump loves, you know, loves a little confrontation. So just do that.
Make sure. And I don't know if you know it, around the 34 minute mark in that confrontation, some little lackey from his staff leans over and gives him like marching orders.
No. So around the 34 minute mark, we did a thing about it like a couple of weeks ago.
He leans over, I think it was a female? Male? I forget. Anyway, leans over right to Zelensky and says something, you know, like for like a minute.
It's like guiding. Wow.
And then stuff hits the fan. Like, hey, remember that meeting you had with, you know, I'm just just speculating remember that meeting you had with victoria newland yesterday when you got you know just on the susan rice phone call you know like just remember remember we talked about security guarantees security guarantees security guarantees right after that fireworks not all sleep aids are made by pharmaceutical companies you probably heard about eight sleep now.
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Try to outman Trump on camera. Right, right.
Patronize Trump on camera. Call vice president you know a bitch in ukrainian or russian yeah um and things will go well for you right how's that gonna go and you know what is it's interesting it almost did because i don't think trump heard it or was fully aware at that moment what was happening like i when you see you can see Trump and he's just trying to be cordial.
Yes. And J.D.
Vance hears it. He's very, Trump is, for the record, Trump is extremely cordial, you know, for all the talk of how he's this florid lunatic.
He doesn't want that. He didn't want those fireworks.
Oh, no, no, no, no. He is elaborately polite.
And anyone who's dealt with him will tell you that. I mean, he's, you know's like he's like a innkeeper i don't mean to be um to diminish his role or be patriotic or anything like that but he he's the guy he's like master of ceremonies kind of personality like we're all here it's this great like he is not a public conflict guy at all yeah i've never really seen him other than you know somebody standing up with a cane at a state of then he was cordial.
He really is. It's his it.
I mean, I've seen it a lot. It's his instinct.
Yeah. I really believe the last thing that Trump wants is the kind of thing that happened with Zelensky.
Like, he doesn't want that. Yeah.
He'd rather have it behind closed doors. 100%.
So I think when J.D. Vance saw that happening, you know, he called it out.
He had had enough of it, I think. But I felt, I guess all that to say, I felt bad for Zelensky in a way because as a human being, here's a guy who, he doesn't know who's in charge.
No, he's a pawn. He's just a pawn.
He's sitting there being used by Victoria Nuland and Susan Rice. And then, of course, you see Susan Rice pop right up on television, on CNN almost immediately.
So they had her ready to go. She's a hard—she was my neighbor for five years.
We shared a backyard. Very nice, and I liked her husband, and she has nice children.
But she's a hard case, like for real. She's a hard case.
She's not— How do you mean? She's just, you know, she's tough. She's not a sentimental person.
She knows if she decides on a mission, like whatever it takes to achieve the mission, period. I'm not even attacking her.
I'm just noting that, you know, she's definitely not, you know, someone who's going to let human emotion get in the way of achieving what she thinks she wants to achieve. And so the mission, the mission is to destroy Russia.
Right. So getting back to that, the mission is to just to be clear, Ukraine and Zelensky himself, I totally, you're the only other person I've heard say that, but I completely agree with you.
As a human being, I feel for him. I think he's committed a lot of crimes.
I think he's killed a ton of people. They tried to assassinate a bunch of people.
They have assassinated people. He's allowed his weapons to be sold to terrorist groups.
I mean, it's really, he bad however he is a pawn and that's totally true he's a hapless pawn and the nation of ukraine is caught between great powers as it has been before as poland has before and so they're all in some deeper sense victims this is a war between the united states and western europe and russia and so it does raise the question once more like? And you're, I, of course, interrupted you, but, and I'm sorry, but your answer was, it's an economic play. They want the resources.
Is that what you're saying? I think if you look at the clearest example of why comes from George Soros, I think, in his Open Society project, to me anyway. And if you see what he's been trying to do to destabilize and regime change funding, I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars to NATO, right? So you see the expansion of NATO almost concurrently with his massive amounts of donations to NATO and to the expansion of NATO right up to their doorstep.
So for all of the NATO is a defensive organization morons out there, you're lying. And the encircling of Russia has been the goal, has been the goal through these NGOs.
Now, the CIA can't do it out as publicly, right? So what does the CIA now use? They use NGOs, whether it's the facilitation of through usa id or other you know other non-governmental funding all these groups yeah funding all these groups so they do it so that they don't have to they can kind of step back from it so the cia can funnel billions of dollars into ukraine through all of these different organizations and everything else they can do it through our open borders project in the united states under the Biden administration, through the Catholic Charities, through HIAS, the Hebrew International Aid Society. So all of these NGOs that have facilitated the child sex trafficking in the United States, to me is one of the greatest crimes of all time.
And I'm really upset that we don't talk more about it. Maybe we can.
But to me, the open society piece of this is really the the the has been a big driver of this i can't say it's the only thing but it's it's born out of those think tanks that nato needs to expand destabilize russia basically install a western government in russia to facilitate through mineral resources and everything else, making sure that they're

using the U.S. dollar.
And the same thing with China, by the way. I mean, why are we—Soros openly talks about this.
So this is not like a fantasy. I think it's grotesque.
If that's really the goal, to break apart Russia, and you heard that airhead from Estonia say that the other day, I think it should be a bunch of little countries. And it's like, the thing that I respect most about Putin and appreciate and grateful for with Putin is that he's kept Russia together.
They have more nuclear weapons than any country in the world. It's the largest country in the world.
It's 20% Muslim. It's like, it could easily become, you know, post-Soviet Yugoslavia.
Right. With endless wars that would not only kill a lot of people there, but would also endanger the world.
You lose track of nuclear weapons, really? I mean, it's insane, actually. What you want is stability and clear accounting of where the deadliest weapons are, where the biolabs, where the nuclear warheads like you.

That's super important.

So if you had a Syria in Russia, like everyone in the world would die.

And so how and I'm I'm no genius, that's for sure.

And that's super obvious to me.

So if you're pushing to break up Russia, we would instantly be in like a 500 year war with itself.

Right.

Why would you want that?

I don't know what drives these evil people.

I don't know. Russia would instantly be in like a 500-year war with itself.
Right.

Why would you want that? I don't know what drives these evil people. I really think.
That's evil. I think they're demonic.
I really think they're demonic. For sure.
Because if most Americans understood, and we tried to do at least on our show, some coverage of this, but like look at Syria, for instance, right? if most Americans understood

that there's a genocide

happening in Syria that was backed by President Biden, and the removal of Assad, regardless of what you think about Assad, doesn't really matter. I'm required to hate.
I don't have strong feelings, but... You're required to hate him, and you're also required to believe the propaganda.
Because some douchebag at the Atlantic magazine decides he's in the way of some goal some other country has. No, no, no.
I'm an American. Right.
And I'm a Christian also. And Assad protected the Christians.
That's a fact. And whatever else he did.
So I think it's totally fair for me to say I don't want chaos in any country because it's a threat to me and my country. We get terrorism because of it or mass invasions like Europe has had of refugees.
And I don't want the Christians to be murdered. Like, I don't know.
It's such a weird position. How can you take that position? Can I say one other thing that I will shut up? But like, here's my theory on Russia.
I think it's clearly a resource play. You're absolutely right.
Americans loved Russia when it was supine and chaotic and the life expectancy for men was 49 and everyone was like dying of cirrhosis on the sidewalk and all that.

They loved it because they could loot it and they did.

Bill Clinton looted the hell out of it.

For sure.

Yeah.

But I really think the problem with Putin is not his territorial expansion.

Putin has shown no sign that he has territorial ambitions.

He's got a country that's like almost impossible to manage already.

Right.

He wants Poland?

Stop.

He wants Portugal?

You moron.

Right.

No, he doesn't.

It's like only children believe that.

No, I think the difference with Putin is Christianity.

And I think that I didn't used to think that, but then I noticed that the same people, and

I'm 55, so I remember a lot of the same people, and certainly the same kind of people, making excuses for the Soviet Union, which was an atheist state. Putin comes in and he's like, actually, we're going to bring back the Orthodox Church.
We're going to fund the Orthodox Church as a Christian country. And that was it.
That's when he became like a true enemy of the ruling class of the United States. I saw the same thing in Hungary.
Hungary was totally fine from 1945 to 1991. It was a Soviet satellite state, part of the Warsaw Pact.
It was an officially atheist country. And then it was a kind of transition period.
And then Orban comes, who's like, he's not even right wing. He's like kind of 70s liberal, live and let live guy.
But he's like, no, this is a Christian country. All of a sudden, the Atlantic magazine and the Atlantic Council and every other group of stupid people with power in Washington is like, we need to kill him.
Right. And in fact, there have been attempts on his life, actually, at least one that has not been publicized so yeah by that you know

by the same block of people and they hate him for that yeah so i'm just i'm just trying to understand pal from usa id flies into hungary and starts like setting up operations to destabilize hungary you know you remember that oh yeah and then we send under biden we sent an ambassador pressman I think his name was, this gay guy and his boyfriend or whatever to spend his entire time in Budapest lecturing the Hungarians about how bad they are. It's like that's diplomacy? That's our ambassador? No, it was his whole role was to insult the Hungarians, inflame the relationship between the Hungarian government and the U.Ss to basically try to humiliate them it's like why would you want to do that why do you think they're trying to kill so many christians i mean because i think it's a spiritual there's something about look let's just be totally honest there's something about christianity which is like the only world religion i'm aware of theistic religion that that preaches non-violence which it does yeah um you know others don't at all and christianity does it's against no tons of christians commit violence but they're in violation of their religion right in my opinion but you would think it would be the most popular religion with world leaders because it's like the christians aren't going to hassle you jesus says give unto caesar what caesar's given unto God what's God, don't overthrow the government.
Like, it's a very kind of compliant religion, actually, and inherently pro-peace. And yet, they're always the ones who get murdered.
When the Spanish Civil War started in that famous photograph of the communist forces, what's the first thing they opened fire on? A statue of Jesus. There's this famous picture of them firing, you know, their eight millimeters at a statue of Jesus.
And it's like, what is that? And I don't think there's a rational explanation for it. I think it's spiritual, clearly.
And it's very heartening as a Christian to know that a nonviolent religion triggers people that much. It suggests maybe it's true.
Yes. It's like, why do you hate it so much? Why do you care? It's at cross purposes with their mission.
So when you see the neocons in Washington, when you see these warmongers and these NGOs that want the destruction, you know, the massive expansion of the military industrial complex. I mean, to your point about Europe, I mean, Ursula von der Leyen, like last week, standing there with Vladimir Zelensky, said that Putin's going to invade Europe.

This is Ukraine.

We fight in Ukraine to protect the rest of Europe because if it's not for Ukraine, Putin will march right through Brussels.

And people, I think they say that.

I don't want to be dark.

I know this is going to be clipped.

But, like, at this point, Europe is so – and I love Europe and I'm there constantly and I have family there. I mean, I really love Europe, truly, as an American.
But like it's so degraded, you know. I don't even want to say it.
I'm not even going to say would it actually be worse or not. But it's pretty bad right now.
Someone really smart said the other day the reason the Europeans hate Russia is because it's the only thing all Europeans have in common. It's the only unifying idea.
Yeah, you need a good enemy. That's it.
It's like the Wizard of Oz, right? You need a good enemy. But it's not the Chinese.
It's not the East. No, you need it.
And so now, once we're done with Russia and China, then it'll be space. Then it'll be some sort of alien race that we need to marshal the military industrial complex for.
So in the United States, it's like, are we pulling back on the massive amounts of money we're spending, the trillion dollars a year to fight these enemies that we're creating, whether it's Assad or it's Gaddafi or it's some people on camels in Iraq or Afghanistan. Like we need to keep, we need to constantly being, we need to constantly move the shell game around.
So for a while it's Putin, that's not going to really work out, but Europe now you can do it, but now it's going to be China or Iran. So it's Iran next.
You know, it's hard to, once we've exhausted all that though, it'll be space. It'll be like like some sort of reptilian race or something in space that we'll have to fight next.
So what is the truth about the lights in the sky seen over the mid-Atlantic over the Christmas season? I think we learned that it was, in fact, a psyop. It was a false flag operation by the Biden administration.
They admitted it. And I think we got confirmation from the trump administration can you tell me what that means the goal was we need you know we're going to show all of these these drones because we we heard it was iran first of all remember it was a mother ship off the coast because iran tried to assassinate president right another biggest lie ever so it's a that's a i'm trying to use the f word now it's lent but that's a lie by the way yes the government of iran thank you for saying that try to murder donald trump during the presidential campaign i hope everyone's paying attention to that because that's being that's a fact parroted all over media right now that the government of iran tried to murder anyone who says that is a liar or so subject to propaganda that he should not be talking in public right you know roger stone close friend of president trump almost immediately said it was a lie came right out i said it was a lie immediately in public and private so yeah that's a lie um whatever sorry sorry it was fabricated and i've said on social media it's fabricated if you don't know that it's fabricated it was fabricated yeah uh no.
No, I think regardless of the Iranian piece of it, it was really to, I think, build up the massive contracts for drone production in the United States. But to get back to your initial description, so you think that those lights were government drones? I think so.
I think that they were man-made government drones. And I think that it was clear what the plan was.
If you don't have a massive drone infrastructure in the United States, what better way to get bureaucrats and members of Congress on board with making sure that we build up our own drone infrastructure in the United States by then threatening the idea that these are Chinese or Iranian drones flying over military bases in the United States. False flags.
We have such a... False flags are very useful.
Yeah, I know. Very useful.
And they work. I know.
They work, sadly. USS Liberty.
USS Liberty, a famous false flag. You know, you want to get us in the war against Egypt? Well, then Israel and the CIA collaborate and bomb and kill American sailors on the USS Liberty.
Too bad you didn't kill all of them because a lot of them lived. And they told the world what the hell happened when they tried to use American sailors as a false flag to get us into a war against Egypt.
Didn't work. Even though Lyndon Johnson and the CIA tried their damnedest to work with Israel to do it.
So you think Lyndon Johnson knew that American sailors were being murdered? 100%. It goes all the way to him.
You could read Blood in the Water, Joan Mellon's incredible book. That is so evil that I can't even.
He's such an evil, evil human being. Such an evil human being.
But don't ask Doris Kearns Goodwin that because she'll write a book about how amazing he is. But he was an evil, an evil son of a bitch.
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Lyndon Johnson knew this. Knew this.
Yes. He knew it.
And... Well, he's going to...
I think he's paying for that right now. Yeah, you would hope.
Yeah. And a lot of other people knew it, too, in the CIA.
So I love when people today... Some poor American sailors on a surveillance ship, not lightly armed, not really armed.

No, it's a spy ship.

Yeah.

Yeah.

With massive American flags on the deck.

We're a friendly ship.

And the Israelis knew it.

They had it in their control room on the wall.

Friendly.

Friendly.

They knew it.

And the scout ships that were flying that morning knew it.

So it's a lie that it was a mistake.

It was not a mistake. We have the documents.
We know that it wasn't a mistake. It was intentional.
So – But I didn't realize – I'm aware of that. Yeah.
And you're not allowed to say it for some reason. No, you can't say it.
Like these are things that you're not allowed to talk about. Right.
You can criticize the U.S. government, but – Yeah.
But on the other hand, I will say – I mean, it infuriates me that you can criticize your own government, but not a foreign government.

That's so grotesque. On the other hand, you also give any foreign government a pass if it's acting in its own interest.
It's like they don't care about you. You're a foreign country.
You know, like I get it. But the idea of our country allowing the murder of our own sailors who did nothing wrong were sent there.
By the way, conscripted. We had the draft then.
Yeah. Maybe not even there voluntarily.
That's a great point. That the U.S.
government knows that? I mean, I just, my head is, I didn't know that until you just told me. I hope the Trump administration.
I hope uh congressman luna who's been you know heading up the um i guess the jfk epstein yeah the release of files whole thing because you can't just release them you have to have a congressional committee to hide them even longer you have to redact things and hide them and then release like do this is not disclosure handout binders you Hand out binders, you know. No, I hope the Trump administration, I've spoken to these veterans of the USS Liberty and their hope is that the Trump administration and the defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, will actually do a full investigation into this.
Openly, publicly, and not pull any punches because of our friends in israel but actually put it all out there and go through the full investigation testimony from the veterans who were seeing eyeballs of the individuals that were bombing them and killing them on board the uss liberty strafing them strafing them and when they got in the water strafing them you know and knew that they were friendly is that true? yeah

yeah on board the USS Liberty. Strafing them too.
Strafing them. And when they got in the water, strafing them.
You know, and knew that they were friendly. Is that true? Yeah, yeah.
And knew that they were friendly. You know, the captain of the ship said he'd never moved his ship as quickly.
He'd never, I don't know the terminology, I'm not a sea captain, but he floored it in a way that he'd never done before. He was told with urgency to get there and to be put in position.
And he was like, why am I being put in position like in a kill zone? Like, why can I go another mile offshore when I'll be safe? No, you need to be right in this spot. So the Pentagon set it up? Oh, yeah.
The CIA to be killed. The CIA collaborated with the Israeli government and maneuvered a U.S.
ship to this position to be killed, to be destroyed. The mission was for it to be totally destroyed.
So you don't have people coming on my show telling you what they saw that day. Like, they all were supposed to be dead.
Gulf of Tonkin. Remember the Maine.
You know, you could go down the list, 9-11, you know,

drones over the east coast of the United States. Like, these false flags work for a reason.

But you can't kill your own people. You're not allowed to do that.
That's just got to be a red

line. The CIA would never kill its own people.
You can't kill your own people, period. Yeah,

you can. You're supposed to protect your own people.
You're in charge of these people. Right.
It's like killing your own children. Tuskegee experiment.
You can't kill your own people. You can't put American ships and American sailors in waters and then test nuclear weapons on them.
You can't do that. You can't have the Tuskegee experiment.
We have a long history of doing these things. I just feel like that's a pretty bright line.
Like, I'm leading people. I have to do whatever I can up to and very much including giving my own life to protect them, to act in their interest.
That's why I'm the leader. That's the way you feel about your children should be a species of the way you feel about anybody you lead.
I'm in charge. I get the benefits of being in charge, but I also have the responsibility, the burden of being in charge, which is to act in their interest and sacrifice myself for them.
It's super simple. That's the basic bargain.
People will follow, children will follow a father, men will follow an officer, if that's the deal, right? But if you violate that, if you say that if you say well i'm gonna kill people i'm supposed to be saving then you've broken the deal and you you are not a legitimate leader and you can get fragged at that point actually i think yeah i think it's totally fair right i would think so i mean but then you've the history is lined with people who put their own their own men in harm's way look at mal you know um you know leading your own men for personal purposes killing them off for personal purposes um there's long lines of socialist leaders for sure doing this well that's why we always hated them yeah but. But Lyndon Johnson did that on purpose.
Wow, that's super, super dark. And a lot of other dirty things.
And a lot of other dirty things. So the most famous dirty thing, of course, that he did was participate in some way, it's still not clear, in the murder of the president.
Right, JFK. And you really see this in maybe the third volume of the Caro series, the biographical series on Lyndon Johnson.
Robert Caro? I beg your pardon, Robert Caro has written this series of books, and Robert Caro is, you know, I think too sympathetic, et cetera, et cetera, and very liberal and all that. But in the portion where Johnson is on the plane in Dallas and learns that Kennedy has been murdered and then is sworn in on the plane as president, it's really clear, really clear from Caro's description that this is not a surprise to him.
Not a surprise at all. and you can go down so many corridors of this and it's not just as simple as Lyndon Johnson,

you know was somehow involved with using his own hitman that he'd used previously you know it's not as just that's it that's the story right i've read so many books on this and you pull the threads you know how is how is uh was it jack rubenstein um how is he there that afternoon how how is how is you know how is lyndon johnson tied to this with a hitman how how is the mob tied to this like all of these strings converging um you know it's it's remarkable and then can i just say this i know it's crazy it's crazy to talk about but, but there were people like Billy Meyer who predicted this and prophesied this years in advance and knew the dates, knew the locations where he would be killed and also knew the dates and locations of where RFK would be assassinated. So, there's so many pieces that we still don't.
Are you hopeful at all that we're going to get in these JFK documents? Well, it's interesting.

I mean, I was never interested in the Kennedy assassination.

It was over covered and it seemed like the kind of territory of wackos and conspiracy nuts.

Well, that's where the term came from.

Oh, I know.

Well, then, of course, you know, it's not ignorance that makes you a conspiracy nut.

It's knowledge, which I didn't know.

I was such an idiot.

That's a great point.

I still am an idiot in some ways, but I've learned.

Welcome to the club. Welcome to the club.
I've learned that, but in the past, yeah, the past six or seven years, I have learned a lot about it. I'm hardly an expert, but I've learned enough to know that there's something actually there.
And I've learned a lot about it, actually. But anyway, the point is, President Trump, to his everlasting credit, issues an executive order on January 23rd saying, you know, release the files on the JFK assassination, on the Bobby Kennedy assassination, the Bastard Hotel in 1968, June, and then on the MLk assassination um you know the april of 68 yeah which i've always thought to my credit i've always thought that was a conspiracy i mean clearly that's an absurd story that james roll ray an escaped prison made somehow winds up and he threw airport with two fake passports like how did you do that clearly there were others involved i don't know who sounds a lot like butler pennsylvania too doesn't it right how does that happen but he issues this executive order which i guess as the force of law he's the president united states elected president

united states he does this three days after the inauguration it's one of the first things he does

and here we are in march whatever it is the second week of march and we've got nothing

and in the case of are we being played i honestly don't know what's going on, but I'll tell you just by deduction what I know is true. First of all, I know that the CIA was involved in some way or parts of the CIA, the Angleton, the counter intel part of the CIA.
CIA is huge. It's not everyone in the CIA, but there were CIA officials who were involved.
I know that because I know someone who saw some of the documents and told me that. But I have thought up until recently, well, it must be, you know, they're trying to protect the institution.
Everyone's dead. 62 years later, everyone's dead.
So why are you holding it? Like, why don't I just, here's everything we have. Like, why do you care? And I always thought it was, well, you got to protect the CIA.
But then, you know, we had the church committee hearings 50 years ago, and they showed the CIA was up to all kinds of nonsense, like pretty dark stuff. And everyone already knows that.
Yeah. So they're going to further discredit the Institute.
Like, nobody cares, actually. Nobody cares.
Everyone knows the CIA is the most corrupt organization in the world. Nobody can even name the CIA director in November of 63, John McCone.
But people don't know. They don't care.
So why are they, even now, even a month and a half after the executive order requiring them to release these files, whose location we know, it's not like they have to gather all these files. We know they're in the National Archives, most of them.
And they're all digitized, by the way. This idea that they're in boxes, that we need somebody to go through it, it's the same garbage with the Epstein files.
So, but what the hell is this? They're all digitized. Right.
So, who are you protecting? Well, that's the question. Who, is there a foreign government involved in this? Well, there's, I know this for a fact.
There is active pressure, active pressure on elected officials to stop this disclosure right now. Now, in 2025.
That was 1963. And where know i don't know and i'm not going to speculate on it but there's active pressure and um i don't believe for a second that it's from the ca who john ratcliffe former congressman john ratcliffe who's now the director he cares i don't think so so does John Ratcliffe want these released or is he being pushed around? I haven't the faintest idea.

And I don't have any evidence that Ratcliffe is involved in efforts to prevent disclosure. I don't mean to suggest that I do, but I'm just saying, like, who is powerful enough to scare people into slow walking the disclosure? And by the way, slow walking a disclosure is the same as not providing the disclosure yeah why are they slow walking it to to somehow continue to hide facts what is the purpose who is you know what is the force acting on the u.s government on the new administration to prevent disclosure and i think it's a totally fair question because it's the president united states murdered.
The people voted for. This is the heart of democracy.
We vote for our leader. And it was overturned.
And so, anyway, I think it's very important to get to the bottom of the JFK thing. Yeah.
And the Epstein files and all of the other things that are being kept by the United States government without transparency to the American people. Again, the USS Liberty story.
Or, hey, is the United States government – we've been secretly funding with billions of dollars gravitic propulsion technologies because we captured UFOs. We know that we have downed craft.
We have crash retrieval. We have – how many whistleblowers have come out now that were on crash retrieval under oath under oath crash retrieval whistleblowers high-ranking members of the military by the way these aren't like schleps you know i don't know these are not i don't even know what that word means from the motor pool no no yeah but these are these are people that have high you know classified clearances yeah yeah uh who've been involved in crash retrieval programs.
We the technology we've had it for years like sometimes we do this on our show and people like oh there goes clayton again talking about ufos like this to me is one of the biggest stories of all time you mean we have technology that we can travel from here to paris instantaneously but you can't let us have it you mean to tell me technology? I mean, purportedly, that we have, or we figured out how to use that technology. I don't know that we've been able to use it as well as they have, but we have technology that can move us at incredible speeds.
That human body, under normal circumstances, would be ripped apart doing 9Gs, right? But with this gravitic propulsion technology, we're in that way so i don't understand all of it all that to say that yes we there's technology that we aren't allowed to see that some defense contractors are and have had access to and that's the brilliance of this program which is like break up pieces of this program and disperse it to boeing to northrop grumman to all of these different you don't get to really talk. You get working on different pieces of this project.
How it all comes together, I don't know. But we have members of the military who've been involved in the retrieval for the purposes of reverse engineering and studying.
I noticed that it's all death-related technology, which does tell you something. No, no, seriously, it's not like.
Why do you think the defense industry is so involved so involved in it right but it's just no one is claiming i've never heard anybody say that

the u.s government is hiding technology that you know might actually help you that so that's where

and they don't talk about it but i have talked to sources who've told me that they've witnessed

firsthand this tech health technology being used to regrow limbs that we don't have access to. Like basically the eradication of cancer, but limbs that we're missing, regrowing human limbs using this technology.
Described it as like a wand and others, but I don't know. I've never seen it, but somebody has seen it.
And there are people who've openly talked about it and who've, I don't know, been quoted and reported it in different books. but i've spoken to an individual who saw it personally this technology so it's not all

death related but i don't know how much of it is is is health related but certainly

the ability to scan bodies, maybe eliminate cancers, maybe regrow limbs. Wouldn't we love to know that? I would love to know that.
And if they're keeping, so maybe it's all BS. I don't think so.
And I think if they have it, we deserve to know about it. And if our taxpayers, if taxpayers are funding these reversal technology programs and they're keeping it quiet from us and it's compartmentalized and we're not allowed to see it, that to me is a travesty.

You mean to tell me the biopharmaceutical?

So you might be thinking, why?

Why would they keep it?

So the biopharmaceutical complex, which is arguably bigger than the industrial complex, the military industrial complex in Washington, right, by volume.

I'm sorry. Why would they keep it? So the biopharmaceutical complex, which is arguably bigger than the military industrial complex in Washington, right, by volume.
Why would they push COVID shots on us without trials, without actual human trials? And, oh, they tested on 11 mice? Okay, okay, that's good. So let me inject myself with that.
You know, that's enough for me. 11 mice? 10 wouldn't have been enough.
That's when the mRNA vaccines came out. I thought to myself, oh, there's never been a successful coronavirus vaccine.
You haven't tested it. It's a novel technology.
And it could potentially change people's genes. Right.
I was first in line. I want those white fibrous clots in my body.
I want you to change the basic genetic makeup of me. Yeah.
What's amazing is you got the shot, now you have a vagina, which is so amazing. I mean, weirder things have happened.
And then you also get immunity. Then you get, then your company rolls out this vaccine without any testing, but also gets legal immunity as well.
And so now you can't be sued for it. So the biopharmaceutical complex would love to basically continue to sell you medicine for the rest of your life, make you sick with highly processed foods.
And then on the other side of it also give you, you know, statins, you know, right? So, they make money, like, funding both sides of this stuff. So, there's a technology that will eliminate, maybe potentially eliminate cancers or fix my tumor in my body with a wave of a wand.
Again, I'm not saying I've seen it. I'm saying I've heard that this technology exists.
Wouldn't you love to keep it under wraps? In the same way that with Nikola Tesla finding free energy, that we, you mean, oh, you mean the atmosphere? I can literally pull etheric energy right out of the atmosphere and power my home? We can't have you have access to that because you need to buy gasoline. You need to buy, you need to pay the power company.
So wait a minute, I can set up my own sort of like Tesla device. Why do you think the FBI raided his work in New York City and took all of his documents? We cannot allow you to have access to free energy or things that would eliminate cancer because somebody's got to make money off of it.
I mean me it's occam's razor right it's the clearest definition of like why before i forget where did nuclear technology come from i've never heard anybody explain where it came from it's like oh germany the 1930s really what was the moment where it was discovered i know the answer to that. I know that a lot of incredible technologies emerged right around that time.
There were also, at that time, downed UFOs. Right around that time.
So it is remarkable that we suddenly had transformers. Where did transformers come from? where did all of these weird technology, where did the microchip suddenly come from? Silicon, microchip, where did all of that suddenly come from? Right around the same time as reports of downed UFOs that are being reverse engineered.
What other technologies do we have access to that we don't know about that were part of these craft? Telepathic machines that are able to connect without even using your hands? Individuals who've seen these crafts, so they're basically able to control them with their mind. The U.S.
government has access to that? Shouldn't we know about it? Probably, you know. There are some who argue, no, we shouldn't.
We shouldn't because it would blow our minds. We shouldn't be allowed to see this stuff because it would alter space-time continuum.
Yeah. Of course, I'm always for disclosure.
Of course. On the other hand, I always think of like the classic kidnapping scenario where someone is kidnapped, the kidnapper is demanding a ransom.
And so there's a hope that the kidnapped person will return home alive as long as the ransom is paid. But in order for that to work, the person who's been kidnapped has to remain blindfolded.
He can never see the kidnapper because the second he does, the kidnapper has to kill him. There are moments where big picture,

knowing too much is a huge threat.

Yeah.

And I wonder if we're there right now

because we're having this conversation.

Your show is crushing it online on YouTube and Rumble.

And other people are doing shows like that.

And X is pretty open, actually.

People can pretty much say what they want. and maybe people know too much to be governed actually once you realize how fake a lot of the things you thought were real turn out to be um like how do you gonna pay your taxes well that's very much how i feel yeah you know why are you paying your credit card bill right this is a total scam right this is i mean it's a it's a complete you know it's loan much how I feel.
Yeah. You know, why are you paying your credit card bill? Right.
This is a total scam. Right.
This is, I mean, it's a complete, you know, it's loan sharking, but they spend more on congressional campaigns than you do. So they get to destroy your life.
I don't know. There's a lot of stuff like that.
Right. And so, like, how long can our government keep free speech and exist? I mean, if they want to cover up things like the massive child sex trafficking operation in the United States or any of these big things, they're going to go to great lengths to silence journalists who are uncovering this or clamping down on cross-social media platforms or demonetizing or blocking videos when we cover certain subjects and so they're they try but i think this information is getting out there more than it ever has definitely is and i love it but to your point then do we become ungovernor ungovernable ungovernable am i saying because we can't because we're saying wait, wait, the CIA killed JFK? The CIA and a foreign government collaborated and killed American sailors? Why would I want to join the U.S.
Navy? Like, that's what my government does? Why would I pay my taxes when the IRS is funneling $20 million to Uganda for circumcision studies or whatever? Like, why would I pay my, so at what point do you have a revolution do you have a Thomas Paine that's exactly that's what I'm saying so like it does feel like we're reaching you know for all of their silly censorship attempts like people I know are I don't want to use or radicalize but they're way more open- minded than they were five years ago and infinitely more than they were 20 years ago.

When one tenth of what you just said would have given, you know, earned you a clinical diagnosis. Right.
Yeah. You would have been by definition crazy for saying anything like what you just said.
And now people like, yeah, you know, I don't know if that's true, but that could be true. Yeah.
And so I just wonder, like, at some point, if you're going maintain if you if you believe the world is run effectively by criminal cartels with very dark anti-human motives obviously true then like they have way more power than we do they have way more advanced weapons than we do they're clearly loosely organized across borders and so like how long are they going to put up with this? Like you and me sitting here, you know, reading X and commercial breaks. I don't know.
Like, is this sustainable? I have hope. I have hope.
You know, I'm a glass half full kind of person. I always have been that the Trump administration.
Yeah. You know, the difference between people, I look at the first Trump administration in this Trump administration.
Trump gave Zelensky javelins in his first Trump administration. And now he's yelling at him in the Oval Office and he's cutting off, you know, surveillance aid and other things.
So I'm hopeful that things have changed, that he's surrounded himself with the right intel people to clean house. But if there are those deep state forces, and when I say deep state, people kind of of roll their eyes but it's just the permanent government you know it's just the people that are entrenched there for 40 years the bureaucrats who have these interests at heart whether it's child sex trafficking operations for rich people in the united states or the pedophiles in hollywood or whatever it is you know they have these interests and these moneyed interests to funnel money back to their spouses or whatever through these NGOs and everything else.

Can the Trump administration, can these people actually clean house?

So I'm hopeful.

Can they get them in there?

Can they actually root them out?

And we can actually get back to maybe a pure American government in the vein of like a

Thomas Paine, which is, we don't like government, but can we have the least amount of it as possible? And I think the American people would rally around that. I just, I feel it.
I see it. I see it among people who were not even Trump supporters who have now become champions of what they're doing with Doge and these other things.
And they're hopeful for the first time in a way that they're, maybe the American government they learned about in civics, civics classes is attainable. Once again, it seems growing.
I never thought I'd see it be attainable. Once again, you know, in the era of NAFTA and everything else with under Bill Clinton and George H.
W. Bush and Halliburton, all of the, all of the things that drove me crazy, you know, war in Iraq and all of that.
Are we somehow getting back to what it means to the United States Constitution? That I'm hopeful about. And I think we could get there if we have the right people in power.
It really does come down to that, doesn't it? The popular will is not quite as relevant as I thought it was. It's a great point because we had the trucker convoy in Canada, which showed incredible bravery.
Where was the massive trucker convoy in the United States? Where were the men? I agree. You know what I mean? Where were the men during the Biden administration saying, we're done with this? And you know what? Either I'm going to to put on my maga hat or not it doesn't matter i'm going to put on my trucker hat it doesn't matter and we're taken to the streets and we're going to go down to the southern border and you're not getting across our southern border like there i know there were some pieces of that but i feel like the organizing principle of the united i feel like there's a lack of that and i i i.
And I don't know. I worry about that popular push and for people to stand together and say enough is enough with this tyranny.

It does come down to men.

Yeah.

And yeah, I'm thinking a lot about my father recently.

And I, you know, whatever, we're all flawed.

But I just don't, I haven't met a man like him really in the last 20 i can't remember last time i met a man like him on him on the basic level i mean he he was the kindest most loyal father but there were absolutely limits like if you're rude to his wife for example he punched you right in the face without even hesitating not for one i saw it happen on the parking lot of a movie theater as a child shocking but you know can't be rude to my wife like they're just limits i don't know right there rules here right and one of them is you can't attack my family period and i don't know i loved growing up like that because i felt like my family i loved it i'm i try to be that father and husband but i i loved it it gave us such security it. It's like no one fucks with Pop.
He is not. He's a loaded gun, man.
You know, wonderful man, hilarious, really nice. But if there's any threat to the family, like it's not even going to hesitate.
He doesn't think about the consequences. You see some of these videos emerge.
Where are the men like that? Where like it says, oh, you know, the moment she knew that he wasn't the one and there's like a, you know, a robber comes up in the alleyway and the man like just leaves the girl there and just runs the opposite way. I'm like, holy smokes.
You're right. Like my dad, you know, he served in Nuremberg after the war, took over an SS barracks there and ran tank drills all through, you know, Nuremberg.
But he guy, but he was, he was also the most kindest, you know, but he was, he would not be messed with, like, you know, whether it was cut off in traffic or messed with, he would, you know, he wouldn't put up with it. And he also wouldn't put up with it for the treatment of his children and his family either, you know, and I think we need more of that.
Well, I totally agree. And I just don't, I don't i don't see at least in the world that i live with i was talking to my brother the other day and saying when we were kids you know being maine in the summertime and boy you could not be rude to people like that just wouldn't end well at all and i said to him you know i don't remember the last time i was ever in any sense intimidated by any white man like there's just no white man.
It's going to kick your ass. I'm sorry.
I mean, I am a white man. Not against white men.
Unlike everybody else, I like white men. I'm the father and uncle of some.
But I don't feel any, there's no intimidation or whatever. It's like, you know, what are they going to do? Nothing.
My son brings up this story. I can't believe i'm gonna share this but the like the stories that my son he's 14 now will kind of bring up or when when daddy gets pissed and he likes it i think as a young man maybe you sort of you endear to that you know and uh there was one time there this guy rode past road pat we were all riding bikes as a family and this guy rode past on his motorcycle and just flew right, almost hit my young daughter and almost killed her, like flew right past her.
Oh my gosh. And I flipped out, and I had the baby on the backseat of my bike, and I was ready to just jump off and run after this motorcyclist.
And my wife jokes, you're like, what were you going to do? The baby was still in the carrier behind you, you know, on the thing. Like you're going to fight a guy with one hand and a thing.
But, and then we were in Vienna of all places. Talk about compliant.
And it was like, we were trying to make it to this show as a family. It was freezing.
And we went into this little, it was an information kiosk to help tourists. And they were, it was eight o'clock and it was closing at eight.
And I walk in and she says, we're closing. Well, no, we can't, we can't, we can't help you.
We cannot help you. We've been here all day.
We've been on, I said, my family's freezing. We're just trying to find this location.
Can we please, you know, get to this location? Can you help us? I can't, I'm sorry, no more help. I can't help you out.
I said, and I just flipped out and I, you know, maybe it was the Philadelphia in me. I just flipped out.
I said, well, thanks for the effing, you know, thanks for the effing hospitality here in Vienna. And I just flipped out.
And then she kind of calmly said, okay, oh, you're looking for the Shakespeare theater. Okay, well, then it's a, and my son still to this day will bring that up.
He's like, thanks for the effing hospitality here in Vienna. So I don't know.
It's just not proud of those moments. No, but I mean, that's, I do think like you can extrapolate outward toward a whole country or civilization.
That's like if the men aren't willing to defend it, first of all, things get very jumpy and chaotic inside as people feel undefended. Yeah.
And it makes them crazy and very anxious. But it's also true that you get invaded.
Yeah. Do we have like a nation of beta males right now? You get invaded.
How could you allow 15 million illegal aliens in your country? And I always used to think this about the governor of Texas, who's a perfectly nice guy, I guess. But like he sat there for four years and let millions of people who had no right to be here at all.
And in most cases, honestly, probably not any conceivable benefit of the United States. Invade his country and like destroy ranches, destroy the physical environment, make it dirtier.
Texas has gotten way dirtier, way dirtier and more disorderly in the past five years. And he never sent his National Guard to the border.
And I confronted him twice in person about it just off camera. But like, what are you doing, dude? Oh, it's very complicated.
It's not complicated. And you've confronted him on camera.
I have. No, I've been mean.
You know, Abbott's a perfectly nice guy. It's a great question.
I don't think he's worshipping Satan or anything. I like Greg Abbott, but like, what is that? That's your most basic duty.
You got a home invasion, dude. Go get your gun.
So that, to me, is even one of the obvious pieces of it, which is, these people are literally, you see them coming across your border. They're taking over ranches.
They're killing people. Yes.

But they've actually set up entire

communities with homes in your

own in Texas in the state. Not only that,

huge

which used to be Walmart facilities

are now massive child

sex trafficking operation centers. Okay, so I

take it back. I don't like Abbott because you're right.

You're right. It's under his watch.
It's too much

evil. That's right.
And you have to blame the leader.

No one ever blames the leader. Yeah.
Like if your

country, that's another thing. It's like

Thank you. I take it back.
I don't like Abbott because you're right. You're right.
It's under his watch. It's too much evil.
That's right. And you have to blame the leader.
No one ever blames the leader. Yeah.
Like if your country, that's another thing. It's like Russia's better than it was 25 years ago.
Does anyone, can anyone say it's not? It is. So like, okay, you could say Putin does a lot of bad things.
I think that's true. On the other hand, his country's better.
Like that counts for something. Our country's worse and we never hold any of our leaders accountable.
It's like was a massive fuck up the afghan withdrawal you know whatever the iraq war the destruction of new york city chicago going back to gary indiana and baltimore like who did that yeah and then they named bridges after the people who destroy the city it's i can't believe the lack of accountability my wife would shoot me if i led my family like that she just she'd just shoot me. Because that's criminal, right? She would come in and she would just put you out of your misery.
100% and I would deserve it. Yeah.
You're leading our family like this. You're done.
Oh, my kids are homeless fentanyl addicts? Yeah, I think that's a failure. Sorry, I do.
Yeah. Well, like Assad, right? I mean, Syria used to be one of the most peaceful countries in the world, but people't want to admit it you know and so you know and uh but bad location but we have to like poland and ukraine caught between larger powers but we need to hate assad we need to hate putin but we can't hate our own leaders enough and these people still get you know they fail up as my wife likes to say these people in washington are now running you know these people who failed and destroyed our country are put in charge of things.
It's unbelievable to me. So now that you've moved back to the United States, obviously you never announced your citizenship.
You're always have been American with a lot of family here, but now you're living here and on, you know, at the very beginning of this new administration, what are the things that you're looking forward to that you're hopeful for? What changes do you think this administration will make that will make the country better? You know, I live in Colorado and I saw firsthand, you know, families texting and family groups concerns about, hey, you know, the neighbor was just broken into Venezuelan gang. Just rob this.
Just rob that. I'm hoping that violent criminals are sent back to their countries.
Number one. And I think I kind of fall in line with where most Americans were doing with, you know, exit polling and what they wanted, which was that they wanted the economy to work for the American people and they wanted their borders secure and safety.
I think that's what most families want. I wanted to work with Iran.
That's just me. That's not just you.
Oh, okay. That's a lot of you.
That's the Hudson Institute, NEI. Okay.
I've become really, you know, going back to, I know the word isolationist is kind of a bad thing. People throw that around.
According to whom? Well, a lot of, you know, a lot of neocons think it's a bad thing and they try to sort of cover up George Washington in many ways to try to cover up his words on isolationism and, you know, in his farewell address, telling America to stay out of foreign governments' businesses. And, you know, I know we get this idea, this sort of George Soros open society that we need to be like a global economy and we need to – everything needs to be open and it doesn't need to be – I want a world without borders.
I don't want any of that. I think in many ways I want America to go back to what I studied and loved and fell in love with as a U.S.
history major. Yes.
I would sit in my bedroom as a child and read these massive-ass books you know everything you know david mccullough books and and all of this stuff and and um reading about george washington and thomas jefferson and yes uh and i and i loved it i uh you know i the thing about isolationism is in the united states that it acknowledges reality and the reality the physical reality is the united states is isolated It's isolated from the other major civilizations in the world. Right.
And that's been a massive benefit. It's not Liechtenstein.
It's not Hungary. It's not Poland.
It's not Ukraine. It doesn't have to deal with the problems that those wonderful countries are not attacking them, but they have all these problems that we just don't inherently have because of the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean.
So... Yeah, geography matters.
And I don't understand. So it's mostly rich people who are pushing this, and isolationism is bad.
Why don't they pay for these wars themselves? I've never understood that. It's like, attach yourself to the U.S.
government and then force its citizens to pay for your pet war. Why don't these people pay for it themselves? Right, they could if they wanted to.
Oh, I'm aware. They could fully fund it.
I mean, when Bernie Sanders was out there pushing to tax, you know, to increase taxes for the wealthy, I think it was the Cato Institute or somebody set up a website where all of these like wealthy politicians who are now millionaires, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi, they could all donate millions of dollars if they want. Like you want to, you put the money here.
And they could go fight the wars, by the way, too. Right.
I mean, I think most of these hedge fund billionaires who've been pushing the U.S. government to pay for all these absurd wars, and still are, they could send their billions to whatever foreign country they wanted or whatever armed group they want to support, and then they could go join their ranks.
But they just want to make the money. So the palanteers of the world that want to make money off the backs of the technocracy in this country and make money by now setting up a biometric border wall at the southern border or using their technology, AI technology, to carry out drone operations, wherever.
They're going to continue to make billions of dollars off of the war unless we sort of flip the paradigm.

It comes back to your Christian point earlier.

And I hadn't thought about it in those terms, but it's deeply disturbing because if it is, we want peace.

I hope for this administration that they are able to get us out of all these wars.

I would love for the Trump administration to take the 50,000 troops in Europe and put them in the United States and secure our southern border. We had over 100 years of United States forces on our southern border.
This is not like a new idea. So, and Germany's had 100 years of foreign troops on its soil, and no one responsible for the atrocities of the Nazi regime is still alive.
And so maybe you just sort of let the Germans be a country again. I think that's fair.
I don't think foreign troops on your soil is good for your country at all. That's why the Germans are suicidal, which they are.
And, like, what is the point? How long is this going to go on? And Japan? Well, I feel the same way about Japan. Yeah.
It's a little more complicated because of China, but I do agree with that, and Korea, for that matter, has not been good for Japan or Korea. North Korea has a much higher birth rate than South Korea.
What is that? I didn't know that. Much higher.
Oh, much higher. I know the birth gap over there is terrible.
South Korea is one of the lowest, and I just want to say I love South Korea, and I love the people almost more than any other country, just wonderful people. So I'm not attacking them.
I feel sorry their country's evaporating it's dying japan as well and japan as well another country i absolutely love everyone who visits japan is like this is incredible which it is because the people are incredible right and but like having foreign troops on your soil does something to you it turns you into it reduces you well i've talked to friends in poland who've told me they would love for NATO to break up. They would love for the NATO bases to close in Poland, for American forces to not be on their soil anymore.
You know, this idea that we need NATO as a defensive organization is a complete crock of garbage. I mean, it's never been a defensive organization.
Just look at Operation Gladio for crying out loud. What is Operation Gladio? So the NATO terrorist armies that were left behind after World War II, Operation Gladio was only revealed in the 1990s.
Documents have finally come out about it. But Operation Gladio was basically the instigation of terrorism at the hand of NATO forces.
The Bologna massacre in Italy, Belgium. I'm embarrassed.
I don't even know what you're talking about. Well, most people don't because it's all hidden and they want people to believe.
What was the Bologna massacre? Well, using NATO forces to basically. I just want to compliment myself saying I'm so self-confident, I will admit to being totally ignorant of something I should know about.

I didn't know what— That's why I'm grateful you're here.

So what was the Bologna massacre?

I don't know, and I will admit my ignorance on the full details of it. Yes.
But it took place in Bologna and NATO forces instigating violence, killing individuals in order to prevent, you know, Soviets basically from coming into Italy. The same with in Belgium with attacks there and violence there against its own people.
So these NATO terrorist armies were used, again, almost like false flag operations. So, again, false flags work.
This was in the era of like many false flags. So Operation Gladio, people can look it up.
The documents were finally revealed in the 1990s. There's a great book on it called the NATO terrorist armies, but it's never been a defensive organization.
And anyone who says that as being completely disingenuous, people point to Yugoslavia. That's a big piece of it, but that's even just a part of it.
These NATO stand behind armies, these terrorist armies all across Europe were basically meant to prevent Russia or Soviet Union from gathering a foothold in certain countries by carrying out false flag operations. So and committing terrorism.
That's exactly what they did. And that's what NATO has been.
It's never been a defensive organization. I want to hit one more topic.
So just big picture, I have to, again, if you had said any of this five years ago, people would be like, Clayton's a nice guy, good guy, cute kids, nice wife, but obviously he's profoundly mentally ill. I don't think people think that anymore.
But the one story that I have seen in the past few years that I was just like, I can't go there. That's just flat earth stuff is the Brigitte Macron, Emmanuel Macron, President of France's wife, was accused first by French journalists and then by my friend Candace Owens, who's one of the nicest people I've ever met, actually.
Yeah, she's very smart. She's incredible.
And everyone's always, Candace Owens, a hater. Candace Owens is the opposite of a hater, but she's a very kind person.
But anyway, but she comes out and she's like, I will wager my professional credibility on the claim that Macron's wife is actually a man. And I was like, I was like, oh, Candace Owens, I love you, but I think this is too crazy.
And then it turns out she's right. So, can you just explain? My mind is blown.
Well, my wife has been, by the way, the Candace Owens pieces on this are phenomenal. And so, I'll be sitting there, my wife, I'm like, what are you watching? She's like, I'm watching Candace Owens' whole deep dive on this.
So let's give credit. I'm giving full credit to Candace Owens on this for really opening this story up from the French journalists who first broke it and then were, I think, ostracized or basically told not to report it.
So that, yeah, I mean, he's a groomer so like i mean the fact that emmanuel macron was a child and this man takes him under his wing and is a groomer uses the identity of another human being i mean i'm definitely shortening the story in all of these ways, but I don't know the full details

the way that Candace does for sure.

But Brigitte Macron is a man

who groomed Emmanuel Macron

and in their, I mean, the amazing thing to me

is the French portrait that they have,

you know, the presidential portrait or whatever.

In the background, you can see like a pedophile book that's painted in on purpose. Like you can't make this stuff up.
What? The official like French portrait painting, there's in the background of it, you can see like a basically a pedophile book that's been painted in on purpose. And other paintings that Brigitte Macron was famous for having around in the palace, All these really awful looking things.
You've got pictures of a barn here. The stuff that Brigitte likes to hang around, it's like pedophilia stuff on the walls.
So it's incredibly crazy. What is it with pedophilia? I mean, pedophilia is one of those things that it's like, it's so, and I can relate to almost any sin, but I just want to be clear.
I'm not being holier than thou. I mean, I've done bad things.
I have had, you know, bad impulses. I can kind of understand why people get pissed and shoot each other or steal or, you know, I don't, but I get it.
Road rage. Completely.
Yeah. You know, there but for the grace of god that's how i sometimes feel but pedophilia like that's something that i can honestly say with a clean conscience never even occurred to me that's like so yeah i can say it too what is that it's and to me and what's what's it's on its on its surface is it's absolutely terrible but then when you go even layer deeper, when there's a whole mechanism protecting these people who are all actively involved in it, in Hollywood, in Washington, D.C., funneling.

I mean, again, not to go back to it, but it's all part of this operation with these elites who, when you have these children, for instance, in Guatemala, the, what is it, 197,000 Guatemalan children that were funneled into the United States and were then funneled to be used in the sex trade in the United States. The United States is the largest purveyor of child sex trafficking in the world, the world.
And we bring more children into the United States and are used for sex slavery than any country in the world. When Trump was asked, where are these children, these 300, 400,000 children, and Trump said, I think they're dead.
Trump was honest about it. They are.
They're used and abused and thrown away. And so when you have people like Brigitte Macron who are like groomers of children, it makes sense that they would be protected.
It does. And these elite circles.

It's incredibly disgusting.

I never thought I would get to a place where I would like nod,

as somebody said,

our elites are trafficking children for pedophilia.

But actually, once you see what's going on,

it makes sense because what is pedophilia?

It's a spiritual.

It's not.

I do think that it's more than just a diseased sexual impulse, though. It's clearly that.
But it's the desire to defile purity. Yeah.
I think that's what it is. Yeah.
I think the appeal is you take a child who is pure, physically untouched, not corrupted by adult desire, and you destroy that. Yeah.
And that's the charge. And that's just, that's a spiritual thing.
That's like, that's like child sacrifice. It's like, which is ubiquitous.
And by the way, it's still happening. I mean, it's just, to me, it's just part of the same thing.
The, you know, it's the child sex trafficking and then they're killing off of the children. You know, I mean, I've, again, I've spoken to sources who've witnessed it firsthand, who actually used to be a part of it and didn't know they were a part of it, out of Texas and flying these children from these facilities in Texas and Abbott's backyard to different parts of the country.
Oh, what about the well? So you're flying them to where? Oh, we don't really know. They say that they're, no, but it's's just wealthy people's homes and do you check up on them uh we're supposed to do a wellness check but we don't really do that and if we do it's just like a phone call and if they don't even answer their phone that's considered the wellness check on the child so the ngos responsible for facilitating the death and sex trafficking of these children across the united States into rich homes in Miami, rich homes in Orlando, rich homes in Tennessee, rich homes in Washington, D.C.
Are you the father? No, no, no relation whatsoever to these children. So when we hear the liberals crying about, you're separating children from their families at the border those aren't the fathers they bring these children across the border they've got like a name tag stuck on them that's not the father you mean the child that he's holding that's drugged you mean the coyote that's holding that child that child is drugged and you can't even ask the child who's your what's your father's name Because that person was brought all the way up from Guatemala three weeks ago.

And it's been drugged the entire time.

Can't speak and is slurring their words. This is happening in the United States.

And the United States is facilitating it.

It's without a doubt, it's facilitating it.

And these NGOs have been receiving lots of money from USAID and others.

And it's been happening right under the nose of the Biden administration and under Alejandro Mayorkas, who facilitated all of it and allowed it to happen. And when was confronted about it, told us that our borders were secure.
Really? Okay. Hundreds of thousands of children that's just gone missing in the United States.
And I get so frustrated because people compartmentalize this story. Like they're happy to talk about Doge, which is great.
They're happy to talk about other things. But I would love to see like the president of the United States or J.D.
Vance, like get up during a State of the Union and say, we've uncovered something really dark and we're going to put an end to it. And this is what we've uncovered.
We can't even get the Epstein tapes. Yeah.
Not just the files files but they're videotapes and where are they right terabytes of videos from epstein's home in new york and his island yes and his ranch in new mexico so and i know from talking to fbi agents that in fact those are former fbi that those a lot of that would have been housed on separate. So when we heard stories about things being destroyed over the past few weeks, that those servers, which weren't tied to the internet, were individual servers that had terabytes of video data on it, was that what was being destroyed? Who ordered that? Who ordered the destruction of those hard drives, those servers? Probably the same people who got into the most secure wing of a secure federal detention facility in Manhattan and murdered the guy.
Right. As the guards slept.
So probably those people. Probably, yeah.
Because anybody who could do that, you know, can't even guess as to who it was, but has a lot of power. Like, that's actual power.
You can murder someone in a cell in a federal detention facility. Oh, yeah.
You have power.

And taking over electric cars, driving people into trees.

you know

there's sources I've spoken to

who've really gone to great lengths to

shed light on

the massive

child sex trafficking operation

and who've had their lives

in many ways destroyed

threatened

run off the street in electric cars. So they don't even drive cars anymore.
Just ride bikes. So these people are evil.
These people are really, really evil. Does it ever worry you? It does.
But then when I've got, you know, take my kids to multiple dance classes and swim meets and swimming and you know then you just kind of you just i don't know you just i don't really think about it really that's the spirit you know i don't dwell on it i guess you know maybe i would never i'd never leave the house again but here i am you know because i don't know um I don't think about it. I definitely thought about it more in Europe, to be honest with you, because as journalists in Europe, when we were speaking out against the war in Ukraine, I mean, we saw the persecution of journalists.
Oh, yeah. Firsthand.
I've had friends, incredible journalists like Kvork Almasian in Germany, who, you know, Syrian journalist. I've had other journalists in Germany and the UK.
I can think of, I can count them on more than one hand who received nasty grams from the government that they were going to be prosecuted for basically their views on Ukraine. Like, what? What is that about? Or stopped at the airport and detained for hours at a time.
So I was more worried about it then. In the United States, I believe, like, we have those fundamental freedoms and freedom of speech.
And so I kind of hang my head on that at the end of the day, even though I feel like those have been eroded tremendously. Yes.
But it gives me hope in that way. And I've gotten calls from journalists who said, where should I move? Where should I move? I said, can you move the United States? At least there, like when I was in Europe, I couldn't use, I couldn't access certain websites.
They would block certain website, news websites to get information in Portugal. But this was EU wide.
So it wasn't just Portugal, but it was, you know, so, oh, I want to get information about what's happening in Ukraineraine sorry you can't do that it's not allowed based on local laws actually actually so i would have to use virtual private networks to go around it to act to to be able to i would log into switzerland or iceland but iceland you know eu adjacent um so mostly united states i'd be able to log in via a vpn in the united states to get access to. So when I hear all these people complaining about freedoms and they're like, I'm going to move to Europe to get a, you know, Trump tyranny.
People have called and wanted to know like, Hey, you know, I don't like what's going on in America right now. So I'm thinking about going to Europe.
You've lived in Europe. Like, what do you think? I love love that conversation because I say, oh, yeah, what are you hoping? Are you hoping to avoid freedom? Like, what do you want by going to Europe? Are you hoping to have more regulation, to fill out more paperwork, to be more censored? Like, what is your goal? Like, what do you think Trump is going to do to you here? He's going to take away your ability to access news websites? No, no, no, but you want to go to Europe for that.
What is your goal? What do you think Trump is going to do to you here? He's going to take away your ability to access news websites? No, no, no. You want to go to Europe for that.
What is Trump going to do? He's going to close the border. What exactly are you upset about? And so I never really get a straight answer about it.
But it's only the climate. I feel less safe.
From who? Like a guy in a MAGA hat is going to walk down the street and now he's going to attack your daughter like that's you heard all of that in the wake of the inauguration right there's people going to start volunteering at like domestic abuse centers because they're worried their MAGA husbands are now going to beat their wives like really domestic abuse skyrocketed under biden where were you then well and it's the it's the it's the it's the beta liberal husband who beats up his wife. Yes.
Because he hates himself. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah, it's not a MAGA.
No. It's not a Trump supporter who's going to beat him as well.
No, no, no. No, if someone hates himself, he'll definitely hate you.
Yeah. It's probably the Germans.
I mean, they're haters because they hate themselves. You know, so they...
They'll allow you to blow up their pipeline. Spank me harder! Govern me harder! It's the most self-loathing thing I've ever heard.
I totally agree. In in fact i was flying back from the middle east the other night with a german guy sitting next to me he was pounding the wine very nice guy actually but um i did say he was you know talking about trump is bad or whatever i said but you let joe biden blow up your main energy source kind of a bitch move no and he goes oh putin's, okay, fine.
Kind of a non sequitur, though. They just blew up your natural gas pipeline.
And he's like, Putin bad. I thought, this is a 17-hour flight.
I'm not going to fight with a guy. Yeah.
And also, well, that speaks volumes about how their most recent election went then, of course, too. Right? Because if you have people that that's they're brainwashed into believing that and deluded, it's fine that Biden blew up our pipeline.
And now our energy infrastructure has collapsed. And our previous governor, chancellor shut down our nuclear power plants and all of our manufacturing is drying up.
But Putin bad. No, no, we did.
You did that to yourselves. You did that to yourselves in the Bundestag.
Yeah, I know. It's been a week.
Clayton Morris, it is just wonderful to see you, to have an on-camera reunion after all these years. Oh, it's been my great pleasure and great honor to see you again.
Well, it has been wonderful, and I'm just thrilled by everything you said and by what you're doing. And once again, I think you've got one of the greatest life stories of anyone I know.
So I hope you'll write it. I don't know if anyone would read it.
But can I say this? And don't cut this off because I know you don't like people praising you. But you have been a beacon of hope for so many of us in the independent media world.
One of the only voice at the time who was still on network television and who was speaking out against war out against trying to attack and you know and kill people in iran uh trying to go to war against russia um i know you lost that job probably because of that but just the evidence suggests so but i just all that to say you have been a beacon of light for many of us and uh and i truly truly mean that um for people who are, you've inspired, I think, a lot of people who are thinking about maybe getting into journalism for the first time. And if they would ever ask me, who would you hold up to look at as an, as, you know, as, as someone who would be, you would like to admire in journalism or who I should study and look up to you know it wouldn't be Ann Applebaum it would be uh it would be Tucker Carlson and people should study your work but I I don't have the credentials that Ann Applebaum does and is a genius you know I do look at her I say man you are smart I must say yeah great to see you.
Great to see you, man. Thank you.

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