Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician

Speaker 1 So Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker is one of those things that I first saw on X on Twitter, and I thought, this cannot be, this is obviously fake.

Speaker 1 In fact, I didn't even consider for a second that it could be real. And then I was sent it by a buddy of mine who spent 30 years on Wall Street.
Have you seen this? And I was like, is this real?

Speaker 1 He's like, it's totally real.

Speaker 1 We're just talking off camera. It's like, at 55, it's shocking for me.
It's hard to accept how corrupt the leadership of the country is.

Speaker 1 It's like I almost can't metabolize it, but I don't think anything has put it into clearer relief than what you have done.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you run Nancy Bosey's stock trackers. It's incredible.
First of all, I'm really glad to meet you. Yeah, no appreciation.
And know that you're real.

Speaker 1 Who are you? Where are you from?

Speaker 1 How did you do that? Yeah, how'd the whole thing start? I mean, I'm 29 now.

Speaker 1 At 25, would I say that, you know, looking five years from then, I'll be running a Pelosi stock tracker, building an app with the slogan, invest like a politician, having that thing become a thing?

Speaker 1 No, I don't think I would have ever gotten to that.

Speaker 1 So at 25, I was actually living in Bali. I quit my New York City job when I was doing finance and I started working on my family company where we would sell sports compression products.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Like little ones with numbers on them, custom ones that you would get for your kid for, you know, peewee football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I was so sick of the finance grind in New York that I was like, I'm going to work on this family thing. I'm going to try and take it up to another level.

Speaker 1 I'll go travel around, moved to Bali, was working out there for probably like six or seven months, moved back to

Speaker 1 Boston is where I'm from.

Speaker 1 Then went up to New Hampshire, became a snowboard instructor, was working on the ski slopes. Yeah, there's a whole story behind it.
I was working on the ski slopes as a snowboard instructor.

Speaker 1 Where in New Hampshire? Bretton Woods. Great, great mountain.
Very family friendly. And this is my phone.
We're all up there.

Speaker 1 And then when COVID hit, moved back in with my family. And then that's how I connected with my co-founders, Brian, Aaron, and Scott.
They're out in LA.

Speaker 1 And there's a whole story on how I essentially connected with them, which we can get into. But we started building an app together.

Speaker 1 And long story short, I'm sure we'll get into the majority of this stuff. We essentially built out on a tech side the first way to follow your friend's stock portfolios.

Speaker 1 So if you had a Robinhood and I had a Weebull or a Fidelity, we would connect it to our app and you can get push notifications of when a trade would happen.

Speaker 1 I was the co-founder of it and I was in charge of the growth. And one obvious way to do it, this was during the GameStop era, was

Speaker 1 let me build a Nancy Pelosi portfolio.

Speaker 1 I'm seeing on Twitter, I'm seeing on TikTok, I'm seeing on Instagram politicians crushing it and them getting called out for their trades, especially during COVID. You know, we'll.

Speaker 1 I never will forget it. Yeah, you covered it.
The Richard Burr.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was, and I knew Richard Burr and I was never against Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina. And I saw that, and it was, it looked like corruption to me.
I was disgusted by it.

Speaker 1 They got investigated by the DOJ, investigated by the SEC, nothing happened. And that story is insane.
And I think that story was where it really started to.

Speaker 1 Can you just give us the outline of it for people to forget? Oh, yeah. So Unusual Wales, he's an account on X.
He was the one that initially started all this. So the Pelosi tracker came.
You know him?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. We work with him.
He's a great guy. I love his.
I don't know his name or anything about him, but I love that feed. Obscure guy.

Speaker 1 Doesn't want the world to know about him, but he actually takes, deserves so much credit for this stuff. I don't think anyone would be

Speaker 1 unusual whales on Twitter. Yep.
He is the one that would essentially call them out at the beginning. He started the Pelosi tracker in a way.
He was calling out the politician stuff.

Speaker 1 And then the Pelosi tracker came probably in 2022, but he started in 2020.

Speaker 1 And I think Richard Burr, that whole story started because Unusual Will started calling it out. The story behind the Richard Burr is around his COVID trades.
And it was a full-on scandal.

Speaker 1 You covered it at Fox News. The story is

Speaker 1 on February 7th, 2020, he wrote an op-ed with another senator saying, hey, Americans, don't worry. COVID's not that bad.
We're keeping an eye on it. Everything will be okay.

Speaker 1 While he has and writes that op-ed, he's getting insider kind of

Speaker 1 details because he sat as the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee while he was writing that op-ed.

Speaker 1 So while sitting as the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he's getting private meetings saying, hey, guys, COVID's actually way worse than we think.

Speaker 1 This is not going to end the same way that people expect.

Speaker 1 Be ready for some sort of rapid response. And the head of SSCI, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is a major player.

Speaker 1 He's not just an average senator. Like, that's a very important position in Washington and this country and the world.

Speaker 1 And so he would have access to a lot of information that fellow senators wouldn't have access to. Exactly.
And he was tasked with partly like, get ready for a response.

Speaker 1 You know, like once COVID hits, we think this is going to be bad. Get ready for a response.
Have

Speaker 1 your materials ready to

Speaker 1 tackle this situation. So he probably knew the severity of it to a 10x what the everyday American and also probably what other senators and representatives did as well.

Speaker 1 So if you follow the timeline though, February 7th is when he wrote that op-ed. February 13th is the day that he went and he sold off $1.65 million of his entire retirement account.

Speaker 1 So a week after he told the American. He's a retirement account.
Yeah, not only just a normal kind of investment account, his retirement account. He sold the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Is it fair to say for non-investor, just to inform the rest of us who are not familiar with the details, just sell off your retirement accounts? You're not dicking around at that point.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. Yeah.
The retirement account is something you don't touch. Like those are the simply buy and hold, you know, never touch them forever.
But selling off that to that degree is extreme.

Speaker 1 And I think is what caught a lot of people's attention of like, you don't just do that. You know what? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't just do that while you're the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, you know?

Speaker 1 But to make this, this is why, this, this is what I get passionate about. It's like, I'm not even a political guy.
Like, I'll tell you the whole story of how this started.

Speaker 1 I didn't grow up being obsessed with politics. I just, citizen journalists kind of see the opportunity and be like, this is fucked up.
We should stop this.

Speaker 1 The story, though, then goes, February 13th, he sells off 1.65 million. 30 minutes later, he calls his brother-in-law.
And him and his brother-in-law have around a two-minute conversation.

Speaker 1 The brother-in-law hangs up the phone, calls his financial advisor. His financial advisor doesn't pick up.
He then calls his second financial advisor. They pick up.

Speaker 1 They have around a 30-second conversation. He then goes off and sells off $265,000 of his own portfolio.

Speaker 1 So now you got the senator who's the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee calling up his brother-in-law, them having a conversation, and then the brother-in-law going and selling off 30 seconds after that conversation.

Speaker 1 Now, I don't, that's sketchy as hell to me. The weird thing is that I know the brother-in-law.
It was my neighbor and a super nice guy. And I sort of knew Burr, not really, but kind of, you know.

Speaker 1 And so when you live in Washington, and I'm only saying that it's not unusual that i would know them because i lived in washington my whole life but that's kind of one of the reasons we have all this corruption is that everyone knows everybody else yeah yeah yeah and it's just impossible to believe that someone whose house you've been at many times and i have would do something like that it's just hard the closer you are to something the harder it is to like having an alcoholic spouse like the last a thousand percent yeah and like the other argument to be had is like you know around february 13th i i don't remember it you know i don't remember the headlines that were coming out like how extreme was that if you're the brother-in-law of course you sell out you know it's like it's not like you're necessarily gonna listen to that read all the headlines and do nothing about it so it's not even necessarily his fault for selling and i don't think like that's where the insider trading necessarily happens i think the the culprit is the person who uh makes that initial phone call which is i think where the investigation of course so then what'd they do with the the money uh they keep so they That happened on February 13th.

Speaker 1 And then the storyline goes, they started having private, Richard Burr started having private conversations with his donors. And then the donors were starting to set all this stuff up.

Speaker 1 A month later, not even a month, three weeks after that, around March, early March, is when the market fell 30%.

Speaker 1 And they saved themselves millions.

Speaker 1 That all gets blown up because of, again, unusual whales. The SEC gets involved.
The DOJ gets involved. They then find nothing.
Well, they find all this information. That's how we know about the text.

Speaker 1 The FBI came in, but they don't charge them with anything.

Speaker 1 Nothing happens. Richard Burr retires.
And, you know, it's just like, again, we were chatting about this off camera. I'm 29.
I grew up with this. I'm not surprised by it.

Speaker 1 I'm just like, yeah, of course the politicians kind of can build this situation where they benefit and

Speaker 1 people will come after them. They'll make a facade.
No charges will happen. And they'll go off into the sunset.

Speaker 1 So I was raised during the height of empire, you know, our Victorian era. And you were raised in the decline of empire, sort of the post-World War era.
So totally different perspective.

Speaker 1 So you're much better situated to understand what's going on, to see it clearly, to not lie to yourself about it.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. So Burr,

Speaker 1 just to let you know, because I'm from DC, I don't think the head of the Senate Intel Committee can ever be charged with a crime because he knows too much.

Speaker 1 He had to step down too while he was getting investigated. But yeah, I mean, I believe it.

Speaker 1 Wow. So you're watching this just at home because you said you're not political.
Yeah, I'm watching this at home while I'm building the social investing app that at the time was called Iris.

Speaker 1 So that's what's funny about it.

Speaker 1 We run the Pelosi Tracker. I'm not a political guy.
I'm just an everyday dude. I'm 26, moved out to California to build this with my friends.
And then the politics stuff starts happening.

Speaker 1 And like our mission

Speaker 1 with our app is to try and instill trust back into institutions. And we always wanted to do that.
And our bigger picture was financial management and that whole

Speaker 1 space. But then we started seeing the politics stuff.
It's like, this is incredible that they're able to do this.

Speaker 1 We have technology and we have the team that we can actually build a way for us to get involved with it.

Speaker 1 And what better way to highlight the hypocrisy of politician stock trading than to build a way to actually copy them and invest alongside them? And that's like how our app started.

Speaker 1 But at the time, no, none of that. And by the way, it's hilarious.
Yeah. I mean, it's just hilarious.

Speaker 1 It shouldn't be. No, I know, I know.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 You have to laugh at tragedy. I know.

Speaker 1 It's working. Like, I'll get into the whole thing about how

Speaker 1 Pelosi crushed it. She was up 54% last year.
We got

Speaker 1 half a billion dollars invested alongside her, where the app is too popular. It shouldn't be this popular with just like a slogan, invest like a politician.

Speaker 1 But I think it perfectly encompasses and showcases like the slogan of what's wrong with. society right now.

Speaker 1 It's not only do we not trust politicians, we now are at the point where like throwing up our hands, like fuck it. If you guys aren't going to ban it, you're going to keep doing it.

Speaker 1 We're going to build a way to get in on the action. And what better way to do it and highlight the hypocrisy than copying them? You're making my day.
Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 again, though, if I can snap my fingers and have it just go away.

Speaker 1 Of course, but you can't, unfortunately. So, okay.
So you see this and you decide

Speaker 1 that this is going on, that there's corruption, that people, that politicians who are supposed to be protecting and serving the country are actually using this information to their own advantage while the country uh rots

Speaker 1 how did you discover that pelosi was a

Speaker 1 then speaker of the house was particularly yep successful yeah pelosi so pelosi gets a lot of headlines for obvious reasons one

Speaker 1 she millions million

Speaker 1 and massively outweighs the what the other politicians are trading. And I'm talking like she's trading 50 to 60 million while everyone else is trading smaller amounts.
What? When she got married,

Speaker 1 I think it was in 2012. And there's a whole arc for her.
She got married in 2012 to Paul, Paul Pelosi, XVC. No, no, she's been married to Paul Pelosi for decades.
Oh, has she? Then,

Speaker 1 okay, then when they got married, I'm mixing up. 2012 is when the stock acts started.
That's when they had to start showcasing it.

Speaker 1 When she got married to Paul, though, they were worth around 20 million, their net worth. Their net worth now is around 260 million.

Speaker 1 So you're 10xing that. How? She's been a career-long politician, making 175K.
Her husband's very, very successful

Speaker 1 in stocks, particularly tech stocks.

Speaker 1 It all started with her in 2020 when she bought Tesla. And this is when I personally started paying attention.
And then there's, you look back and it's like, holy shit, it's been going on forever.

Speaker 1 And that actually started back in with the Visa IPO.

Speaker 1 So with the Visa IPO, she and her husband were able to get privileged ways to buy in on the IPO. And no one knows how, no one knows why.
And then the stock absolutely crushed it.

Speaker 1 So that was brought up on a 60 minutes interview.

Speaker 1 And that was that iconic interview from the reporter asking her, like, do you think this should be allowed? Is this fine?

Speaker 1 that you got in on the visa and then you know this is 10 12 years ago nothing necessarily happened uh again 2020 comes around covid so people already necessarily know about her she now starts trading stocks again and it's getting blown up on social media because while everyone's with covid what are they doing they're on social media and they're trading stocks so now everyone's like acutely watching these things and paying attention she in

Speaker 1 end of 2020

Speaker 1 2020, right after Biden got elected,

Speaker 1 she went and bought up to $5 million of Tesla calls. And I can go on forever about the details of these things.
She's not just buying stock. Well, her husband's not just buying.

Speaker 1 She's buying these things called leaps. And what a leap is, is a options contract that allows you to buy a stock and be bullish on a stock at a much cheaper cost basis.

Speaker 1 So instead of you needing $5 million to buy, you know, X amount of quote unquote risk in a stock for it to go up, you can actually take that $5 million and buy a leap and it gives you a broader delta so that you can make more money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's essentially higher risk, high reward. So, she goes and she's buying these leaps.
She's not just buying the stocks in them. She buys leaps in Tesla at the end of 2020.
Um,

Speaker 1 right after Biden got elected. 2021 comes around, um, or excuse me, 2019 into 2020 because that was when Biden started.

Speaker 1 There's so many dates, but uh, when Biden's first few weeks in office, he introduces the Build Back Better 1.3, 2.3, 3, whatever massive infrastructure bill. Yeah.
do you remember that one? Very well.

Speaker 1 Uh, part of that bill had tons of not only subsidies for the electric vehicle industry, but also money to build out and invest for the charging ports for electric vehicles.

Speaker 1 Because you know, you can't just tell people to go buy electric cars

Speaker 1 the infrastructure yet.

Speaker 1 So, when you start following the timeline on it, it's like, okay,

Speaker 1 Biden gets elected. She buys up to $5 million of leaps, which are very risky, in Tesla.
That agenda then comes out.

Speaker 1 The stock flies 50%.

Speaker 1 So it's not like she's actually, you know, buying things that the public wouldn't necessarily know about, but she's buying things in a high-risky way with a ton of money in ways that the public now is paying attention to because

Speaker 1 everyone's trading stocks and they're watching Tesla, Elon. That was when the thing started blowing up.

Speaker 1 And that was the first trade that probably like, I think, re-triggered everyone's mind into like,

Speaker 1 wait a second, you know, this may not be the sketchiest trade in the world because those things were still public, but how are they allowed to necessarily do that?

Speaker 1 How is Pelosi the third most powerful person in America? You know, president, VP, the house, the head of the

Speaker 1 speaker. Yep.
They shouldn't be allowed to trade stocks.

Speaker 1 How is this even like, how are we allowing that?

Speaker 1 And I think like the culmination of those different intersections is why this started getting big and why people started paying attention, specifically to Pelosi.

Speaker 1 How did she do on those leaps with Teslas?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 she was up around 50% and then she sold a little bit and then it came back down and then she actually just sold those shares because the way that a leap works is if you you're buying a contract and that gives you the ability to buy a hundred shares of that underlying stock.

Speaker 1 It's a con, it's pretty complex-ish. But so when though when she bought the leaps a year later, she exercises the right to buy those shares.

Speaker 1 So now she has, I think it was around like 5,000 shares of Tesla and she's held those all up until July of 2024, this year actually.

Speaker 1 And she sold them too early. She sold them before Trump got re-elected and the thing started flying.
But I think she was up around 40 to 50% in total

Speaker 1 from that Tesla trade. Her best ones are NVIDIA.
NVIDIA is a whole other story for her.

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Speaker 1 Shopbeam.com slash Tucker. What has she done on NVIDIA?

Speaker 1 So NVIDIA is the second trade that got the masses' attention. For people to know, tell us what NVIDIA is.
NVIDIA is a semiconductor. They're essentially the most popular stock and the best company.

Speaker 1 I think they're worth more than Apple now. They're the most valuable company in the world.
They sell the chips for semis.

Speaker 1 And like they have a whole broader thing beyond just that, but essentially they're a semiconductor company.

Speaker 1 They buy and sell chips. So in 2022, that's when the Chips Act, if you remember this $54 billion chips bill that Biden and Pelosi pushed, she bought...

Speaker 1 And this is where social media, again, why it's powerful. And the pressure started building up to her at this point because people were following the trades.
The markets were crashing it.

Speaker 1 She was crushing it in 2021.

Speaker 1 When 2022 came around, the Chips Act comes out, $54 billion of infrastructure for chips and subsidies for them. She bought NVIDIA, I think, a couple months before that.
Oh, come on. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The problem with her is every trade is suspicious. There's never a trade that you just are like, okay, you know, I could not.
And I'll get into them without, there's a couple more I can get to.

Speaker 1 But with that NVIDIA trade in particular, she bought it. The Chips Act comes out.
We start making TikToks. We start tweeting about it.
And then everyone's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 What's going on with that? She then sells it for a loss because the stock was already coming down. This was when the market started falling.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she ended up selling it for a $300,000 loss. She sold it all.
Because I think the public was starting to be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 How are you doing this when we're already calling you out and you're still continuing to do it? She sold those things for a 300K loss

Speaker 1 and then she sold her shares for a 200K loss. So she lost money on that first NVIDIA time.

Speaker 1 But the interesting thing about that is per these filings, and the way that the filings work is the stock act requires politicians to disclose them, their spouses, and their dependents of any trade up to 45 days.

Speaker 1 On that trade in particular is the only time she's ever publicly said her profit and loss. So never before, never since then.

Speaker 1 Only in that filing was when she said, hey, everyone, I lost 250K in NVIDIA. Get off my back kind of thing.
She's never done that for when she's profited. She's only done it when she's lost.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 there's so many things with her.

Speaker 1 The filings she sends out are always before

Speaker 1 holidays. So she's notorious in our community for releasing reports around

Speaker 1 Thanksgiving, July 4th, Christmas. And I think...
The argument is because like if you put it on December 23rd, everyone's going off to vacation. No one's worse.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It gets lost. Yeah.
It gets lost in the media. Drop bad news on Fridays.
That's the thing. Exactly.
Yeah. This year she dropped it on July 4th.

Speaker 1 That was when she dropped all of these previous trades. Happy birthday, America.
I know. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 so that NVIDIA trade goes on. She loses money.
The whole market was doing bad in that year. So she didn't do too well in that,

Speaker 1 I think it was 2022.

Speaker 1 2023 comes around, the market starts going up again, and we have all this information, which I could probably get to. to, but she then re-buys into NVIDIA at the end of 2022

Speaker 1 or at the end of 2023, excuse me, in November. She goes and buys $5 million worth of leaps again.
Those leaps, then right after she buys, there's no

Speaker 1 laws or anything that comes up after that. It just turns out to be a tremendously well-timed trade because from there, NVIDIA goes up 160, 170%.

Speaker 1 And on that trade in particular, she then bought a little bit more.

Speaker 1 That 5 million, and the ranges are hard because the way that these filings work is they have to file from 1K to 15K is one little check, 15K to 50K, 50K to 100K, 100K to 250K, 250K to 500K, 500K up.

Speaker 1 So we're going off of the ranges. So you don't know the exact amount that

Speaker 1 she's buying, but that NVIDIA trade is the best trade she's ever made that we've followed um in recent memory and she's up around like 140 on that trade in particular

Speaker 1 and like this is millions it's not like it's you know 50k it's up to five million dollars that five million dollars could be worth 7.5 million now uh and she's just quiet about it doesn't say anything when we call her out how long have you been doing this We've been doing it since 2022.

Speaker 1 So we've tracked her in particular. And let me be clear, it's not just her.
No, I know. I've got a bunch of questions.
Yeah. Crenshaw and them.
But yeah, we've been tracking her since 2022.

Speaker 1 You know, you look at, if I looked at the Congress, who are the filthiest members of Congress? Well, Dan Crenshaw would be right at the top with Pelosi.

Speaker 1 And it's not surprising that they're. No.
And he

Speaker 1 is interesting.

Speaker 1 Hold on, before we get to Dan, he's his whole thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I just want to close out Pelosi for a sec. So you've been doing this for two and a half, three years on Pelosi.
Yep. And gotten,

Speaker 1 you said you've never done an interview before, which is very weird. No, no.
But a lot of people I know read you, you know, a lot.

Speaker 1 So she's gotten a lot of scrutiny because of what you've done. Has her office ever reached out to you in any way? No.
The office has never reached out.

Speaker 1 And again, like the crazy thing about this stuff is

Speaker 1 We took this whole thing a step further by building our app, Autopilot. And Autopilot, the way that it works is you literally can go and invest alongside these politicians.

Speaker 1 So it's one thing to be like, oh, fuck you, Pelosi. You know, you're trading in front of us.
And then it's like, oh, wait a second, you're crushing it. Like, whoa.

Speaker 1 And now it's like, now I can invest alongside them because so I can get in on the action.

Speaker 1 And I think like allowing people to get their money in makes the whole thing kind of just more hypocritical and funnier. So Pelosi, since we've been tracking her, is up 87%.

Speaker 1 That's from, I think, around May of 2021, outperforming the spy by 50%.

Speaker 1 Since in that time period, since we've been doing this thing, we now have $300 million literally investing alongside her.

Speaker 1 People have profited $30 million trading, doing whatever she does in that timeframe, give or take. And

Speaker 1 her office has never reached out. She's gone on, you know, been questioned in the press conferences being like, do you think you and members of Congress should be allowed to trade stock?

Speaker 1 And she's like, yeah, well, it's a free economy. Like, if it's a free market, we as citizens should be able to trade.
But of course, it's not a free market.

Speaker 1 And her example shows you what a rigged market it is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Of course.
I mean, she's so, yeah, she's benefiting from information that she has because of her position. She's not allowed to do that.
She does it anyway. It's a crime.

Speaker 1 She should be prosecuted. It's certainly a moral crime.

Speaker 1 So give us some perspective. So she's up this

Speaker 1 fantastic number relative to like average investors, informed investors. Like how well is she done? Yep.

Speaker 1 So last year in particular, and this is probably we, and let me be clear. So we're not tracking since it's hard to know the exact amount and it's hard to track her actual trades.

Speaker 1 So what we track is the filings of it. And they're roughly the same because

Speaker 1 they don't get displayed or

Speaker 1 filed too long after. So in 2024, for example, she was up 54%.

Speaker 1 The market was up around, I think, like 26 or 27. So she personally outperformed.
the stock market, you know, the broader S ⁇ P by 20%, 25%.

Speaker 1 We also have these other trackers that track the hedge funds. And there was a report from Bloomberg where she actually outperformed, I think, like 95% of professional hedge fund managers.

Speaker 1 And when you take a step, it's like, what is good?

Speaker 1 The politicians, Unusual Wells has a report in 2024, and she was only the seventh best trader. There were traders that were better than her.

Speaker 1 Well, the funny thing, I was talking about this yesterday with a buddy of mine who's in business, but you often see retired politicians decide they're going to go get rich in business

Speaker 1 in finance, usually, but, you know, in some form of PE or whatever that they think they're going to be, and they are all terrible.

Speaker 1 Like there's not been, we're talking about Pompeo thinks he's going to get rich.

Speaker 1 And like, no one wants Pompeo because he's like an idiot. This is not his area.
And he's, well, I should say he's not an idiot. He's smart.

Speaker 1 But he's not a business guy. No.
And politics and business are very different. So it's especially striking.
to see Paul, this is the only way politicians can make money is through insider trading.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I know.
Is that fair to say? Pretty much. Yeah.
Yeah, it's that are books.

Speaker 1 Exactly. It's a book, and honestly,

Speaker 1 Netflix specials now. Yeah, the Clintons with all that stuff.
But

Speaker 1 she, again, is extreme because you just trade so much. The other politicians, they're trading on lower levels.

Speaker 1 But I think like the bigger thing that we're trying to do with all this stuff is like, we don't want them trading. Again, like we think that it's messed up.
It creates distrust in the politicians.

Speaker 1 Of course. It's not like we don't, me personally, it's not like I am,

Speaker 1 you know, saying, Hey, you guys can't do that because you're getting rich.

Speaker 1 Like, obviously, that's a piece of it, but it's more of like, hey, you guys can't do that because the average American can't do that. And we're all just looking at you guys.

Speaker 1 Well, it also influences their policymaking behavior. Yeah.
I mean, of course, it sets up incentives that you don't want to have in your legislative branch at all. Yeah.
And you know the same. Like,

Speaker 1 show me the incentive. I'll show you the reward.
It's like, that's exactly right. You're going to,

Speaker 1 the war ones are crazy, too. Like, Like,

Speaker 1 there's so much that you can get into.

Speaker 1 I have trouble laughing at that. That actually makes me feel like these people are going to hell.
Um, but I want to ask about that in two seconds.

Speaker 1 But first, you said she's the seventh most successful congressional trader who were in 2024. So, the other ones off the top, um, and this is all unusual on Unusual Wells' Twitter.
We work with him.

Speaker 1 He actually took some of the portfolios and he put them on our app. So, now people can go in and they can trade alongside not just Pelosi, but other ones too.
Um, David Rauser was the top one.

Speaker 1 And I think he, he made a lot of money in Nvidia. He also owned some other smaller ETFs.
So he wasn't, he doesn't trade that much. So he, these are stocks that he's owned for a while.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Debbie Wasserman Schultz, she's now a two-time top five political stock trader.

Speaker 1 Speaking of filthy, I mean,

Speaker 1 she, she gets a

Speaker 1 we, so we run the Pelosi tracker and we also have a politician trade tracker on Instagram and TikTok that each have, you know, 800,000. On TikTok, we have around 100,000 followers.

Speaker 1 She gets, people don't like that woman.

Speaker 1 Well, nobody likes her. Yeah.
So she was bounced out of a leadership position in the Democratic Party because people disliked her so much personally.

Speaker 1 And she honestly is one of the five or six that I personally track, like that I know a decent amount about because of how many times she has conflicts of interest, which what she trades.

Speaker 1 For example, she bought this company called Viasat. And what Viasat does is they're a military contractor.
They're like a Starlink,

Speaker 1 like Elon's thing, but they do the communications for the military. They get hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts from, you know, this or that.

Speaker 1 She sits on the committee that oversees military construction.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I'm watching you trade this stock, you know, even aside from performance, I'm watching you buy and sell a military construction company.

Speaker 1 while sitting on a committee that oversees military construction. How is that allowed? I don't know.
Another one was, she bought a mining company called Helka Mining with ticker symbol HL.

Speaker 1 That stock has been fluctuating here and there. And I think she is up around 15% on it.

Speaker 1 She sits on the energy, one of the energy resources committees. And it's like,

Speaker 1 what are we doing?

Speaker 1 How do they allow? What are we doing? Well, we're watching corruption happen and it's destroying any confidence people have in their government.

Speaker 1 It's priming the country for some kind of revolution, hopefully a peaceful one, but a revolution anyway.

Speaker 1 This can't continue in a democracy. So

Speaker 1 tell us about

Speaker 1 my all-time favorite member of Congress, Dan Crenshaw. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So

Speaker 1 he's a tough one.

Speaker 1 He's a hothead on Twitter now. He's out of control.
Yeah, I don't understand why he's taken this stance a little bit.

Speaker 1 His personal life is out of control. Yeah, because he used to be like a right-wing darling.
Like he was, you know, the, with the Navy SEALs, I think early, early on.

Speaker 1 Not with me. I always thought he was a freak and a warmonger.
Really? Yeah. Weirdo, yeah.
He's a freak and a warmonger weirdo.

Speaker 1 He's showing it now.

Speaker 1 Did you see the free press he did where we posted this? He essentially comes out and he's like

Speaker 1 supporting politicals, politicians, stock trading. He's like, if you get rid of it, you're going to get...

Speaker 1 crappy politicians. And it's like, what are you talking about? You know, like, we're not asking you guys to

Speaker 1 get paid. If you don't allow the police to shake down speeders at gunpoint, you're going to get a worse kind of cop.
Exactly. Yeah.
It's crazy. It's, it's, yeah.
So he had a fiery one

Speaker 1 with the free press probably about like two months ago, right before Thanksgiving. I saw that.

Speaker 1 His portfolio, though, in particular, he's up around like 48 to 50%. And all of this, you know, I got to say this for compliance reasons.
Like you can see all this on our app.

Speaker 1 You know, it's all right there. So I may kind of be, depending on the day, but he outperformed the market.
He was right below Pelosi.

Speaker 1 an idiot, though. I mean, with no business background that I'm aware of.
So, like, how would you do that? His stocks, the one that in particular that really frustrated me about him was Meta.

Speaker 1 So, he, with the stocks that he's buying, is his portfolio is comprised of Meta, which he's crushing it up like 200%. He bought the dip perfectly back in 2022, I believe, like pretty much perfectly.

Speaker 1 The things started flying.

Speaker 1 He bought Amazon, he bought FAS, which is

Speaker 1 like a finance ETF. He bought the SPY, and then he bought Wind Resorts, and then he bought some other company.

Speaker 1 The stock, though, that crushed it for him was Meta. And the part that I get annoyed about, you know, aside from TikTok bans, this and that, you can't, he buys the stock, a couple months later,

Speaker 1 starts pushing and publicly vocalizing like, hey, everyone, we should buy, we should ban TikTok, you know? And it's like pretty convenient to say when you own TikTok's main competitor.

Speaker 1 And every time you're saying that, the stock is going up 5%.

Speaker 1 He then goes off and starts asking for the ban on, and again, like, I feel like I'm pretty pro ban TikTok. So there's a whole world with that.

Speaker 1 But he then goes off and votes against the bill to ban TikTok. So now you got a politician that is buying TikTok's main competitor, Meta.
You're then publicly talking about how you want to ban it from

Speaker 1 government officials' phones to then voting on the bill to ban tick tock all while the stock has gone up 200 while you've owned it

Speaker 1 that's and this is like you're shocking me yeah

Speaker 1 i'm numb to it and when and when he gets called out on it and this is one of the reasons i dislike him and i do think that he's there's he's there's a lot wrong with him personally so i do feel sorry for him a lot wrong i mean i know that but anyway um leaving that aside the reason i don't like him is because he's self-righteous yeah if i catch you shoplifting and and then you punch me in the face and scream how you're being victimized, I can't deal with that.

Speaker 1 Just admit you're shoplifting. Say sorry and I'll forgive you and move on, but don't yell at me.
Yeah. Or even just help the conversation.

Speaker 1 Be like, yeah, I mean, if you guys are allowing us, like, I'll vote on it, this and that. Like, just be open and be transparent about it.
Yes. You don't have to.

Speaker 1 attack and you know gaslight no that's exactly right that's exactly right and boy is he a specialist in that area yeah yeah the free press one i i would reckon i'll send it to you after i've seen it yeah oh yeah yeah That one gets my blood boiling because it's like,

Speaker 1 what frustrates me about this stuff is you can't sit on the committee. You can't be voting on these things.
You can't be doing all this stuff in front of the American public.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, you know, I have a friend that is a consultant at EY or Deloitte. He can't trade individual stocks.
I got friends in banking that can't trade individual stocks. It's like, why?

Speaker 1 Can you not let the low-level analysts at JPMorgan buy, you know, Apple?

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, you got these politicians buying up this $500 million military construction company all right in front of you. I know the answer.
You want to hear the answer?

Speaker 1 Because after the financial crisis that Congress helped cause,

Speaker 1 Congress runs in with Dodd-Frank, you know, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, member of the Senate, member of the House, both Democrats, and they come up with all these regulations that are supposedly going to protect America from future disasters of this kind.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they, you know, pass these so-called reforms, destroy the banking sector, really, don't make it less corrupt, just kind of wreck it, take all the innovation out of it.

Speaker 1 And then they don't apply those same standards themselves. Right? I mean, that's kind of the short.
Rules for the innovation. Is that a fair? Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 And what's the history of the Stock Act, it started because of the housing crisis. Yeah.
So it was initially introduced in 2006. And the Stock Act literally, what it says is stop

Speaker 1 whatever stop trading on congressional knowledge. That's what it means.
So if you have a bill that literally says stop trading on congressional knowledge as the name of the act,

Speaker 1 you know that there's something already sketchy going on. And why was that not a thing to begin with? And so what happened to it? So in 2006, it got introduced.
No politicians cared about it.

Speaker 1 You know, whatever.

Speaker 1 After the housing crisis, they found out and they realized that there were around 33 politicians that set their portfolios up after talking with the officials at the Fed and, you know, the people milding up the monetary policy.

Speaker 1 They reconstructed their portfolios while that whole crisis was going on. They didn't have to display or publicly talk about it because the stock act wasn't announced.

Speaker 1 All that stuff came out after that, like, oh, while the housing market is crashing and Americans are losing their homes left and right, these politicians are moving millions, reconstructing their portfolios after getting out of the meetings with the Fed officials.

Speaker 1 So that's how it came back onto the center center stage. The stock act then gets introduced in 2012, and then it gets passed shortly after that.

Speaker 1 What is crazy in my head, though, is like, what the heck was going on before it? Yeah. Like, what do

Speaker 1 that, I think, was we were talking off camera. Like, our generation, we grow up with it, and we're used to it now because of things like that.
It's like, how can they have not had any?

Speaker 1 limitations before 2012. What were they doing?

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 I can't answer your question.

Speaker 1 Clearly, it's been very corrupt for a long time. Well, they murdered the president of the United States in 1963, and no one was ever held accountable for it.

Speaker 1 So, you know, looking back, you can say, boy, we've had big problems for a long time.

Speaker 1 But I can tell you, as someone who grew up right in the middle of it in D.C., in Georgetown, while this stuff was going on, like when

Speaker 1 that COVID, those COVID trades, you started our conversation by describing how Kelly Waffler was involved in that and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 I was like, part of me, I think I was the only person at Fox News who did anything on it because it was a great story.

Speaker 1 But even as I was doing the story, I was like, there's got to be another explanation. This can't be real.
That trading on a pandemic? Yeah. Insider trading on a pandemic.

Speaker 1 Like, I was like, you'd have to be a monster to do that. Like, this can't actually have happened.
That was me

Speaker 1 with the Pelosi tracker every day in the early days.

Speaker 1 I remember a couple of these trades, and there's so many now, but I remember calling my dad up, and I'm like,

Speaker 1 wait a second. Like, is this actually like, are they actually trading? It's not just Mike McCall.
I can't remember the specific trades. I think it was him, but no one were.

Speaker 1 Here I'm talking about poor Dan Crenshaw, who's just like totally unbalanced. That won't end well.
But Mike McCall is like, now we're getting really sinister. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He, I'm trying to remember the trades because he, he sits on the, uh, he sits on a lot of the intelligence committees or not the intelligence, a lot of the, the, the big committees.

Speaker 1 And he's trading millions, but it's not just Mike McCall?

Speaker 1 Yeah, i think so i think so he's in particular because he's really hard to track we know this in the world of uh the us quiver quant and usual whales we're the ones that do this he manually fills out the filings by hand so his trades don't get picked up no by the majority of uh i'm 99 sure i can confirm that but yeah he and

Speaker 1 his trades I think are weird because it's him,

Speaker 1 it's the dependent and the spouse. The trades they come in kind of as the same.
So there's an argument that maybe Mike McCall's trades are

Speaker 1 from

Speaker 1 a financial advisor. But

Speaker 1 if he can tell us, you know, we tag him on Twitter. It's like, you guys can just tell us what's going on.
He doesn't care.

Speaker 1 A couple of years ago, somebody said, I was talking to Mike McCall and he described you as a Russian agent. Really? Oh, so he's

Speaker 1 one of these guys. So I call Mike McCall and I said, listen, bitch, can I call you bitch?

Speaker 1 You, I think I said exactly that. You told someone I was a Russian agent.
you know, like I'm from this country. I'm feeling pretty patriotic.

Speaker 1 And did you say that? And he said, yeah, I did say that because the intel briefers told me that. And I said, how old are you, son? I think he's older than I am.
You believe your intel briefers? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he said, yeah, I do. I got to give him credit.
I mean, he took my call and the whole thing, but I was like, this guy is the most controlled,

Speaker 1 scary, stupid, but also scary person I think I've ever dealt with in Congress.

Speaker 1 So I guess I'm not that surprised that he's. What is it with Texas Republicans anyway?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Corrupt.
I don't know. A lot of them.
I mean, you go a little bit north to Oklahoma and Mark Wayne Mullen's an interesting one too. What do you really like?

Speaker 1 I don't know too much about his.

Speaker 1 He's a fiery guy too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was threatened to beat somebody up. Yeah, he was

Speaker 1 the Teamsters president. I think.
Yeah. Yeah.
During that. Yeah.
We built a whole

Speaker 1 thing. I like Sean O'Brien for the rest of the good guy.
So that's what's the thing that's interesting about me, again, from my background is I don't know know anything about these policies.

Speaker 1 I'm not like a political person. I call out, we call out the politicians, the Democrats.

Speaker 1 Like the New York Times came out with a report in 2022 that said that 180 politicians traded over 3,700 times that totaled over $110, $115 million of volume

Speaker 1 from 2019 to 2021.

Speaker 1 Out of those, it was literally half, pretty much half Democrats, half Republicans. So they're all doing it.
Of course.

Speaker 1 Out of those 180 politicians, though, 90 of them sat on committees that directly oversaw companies that they traded. And you're like,

Speaker 1 okay, well, so that sounds like a conflict of interest. And then that's what sparked me to get really into this and being like, what actually are the trades that are going on? Are they outperforming?

Speaker 1 Why are these random companies being bought? And Mike McCaulin in particular, he checks this kind of box a lot. He, for example, bought this stock in a company called Badger Meters earlier this year.

Speaker 1 Badger Meters does a water meter solutions. Don't know much about it.
It's just a freaking water meters, $2 billion, $3 billion company. Turns out that the EPA, a couple months,

Speaker 1 to be fair, before he bought,

Speaker 1 signed a mandate saying that all these water systems have to upgrade their technology. Beneficial for Badger Meters, stock goes up.

Speaker 1 You then do some further digging, and then you realize that Tulsa, Oklahoma

Speaker 1 passed a $94 million bill to upgrade their own water meter systems right around the time that Mark Wayne Mullen bought Badger Meters.

Speaker 1 oklahoma Tulsa Oklahoma is the state that Mark Wayne Mullen represents he's the senator of it so then you're like

Speaker 1 EPA passes thing passes the requirement to upgrade the water systems senator buys stock senator's home

Speaker 1 home state gives $100 million to upgrade water meter systems pro for badger meters stock is up 50% I think he's up like 48% on that Badger meters.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not an investor, but I've never heard of Badger Meters. Neither have I.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. No, no.
So you have two prominent politicians in the Congress buying Badger meters in the same period. Just him.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is just Mark Wayne. This is just Mark Wayne Mullen.
Yeah. And that's no other politicians are buying.
I've never heard of Badger Meters. I don't know anything about the company.

Speaker 1 But when you...

Speaker 1 When you start just connecting all the dots, there's just too many

Speaker 1 controversial eyebrow raising, like, oh, wait, the

Speaker 1 state that you represent just put $100 million to upgrade their water systems. Oh, wait, you just bought the company that specializes in upgrading water systems.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, now the stock has been crushing on earnings and you're still owning it. It's up 40%.
He sold it earlier this year.

Speaker 1 He held it for probably like, I think, like eight months, but I think he made like 50%, 40% to 50% on that stock. And again, this isn't an Apple.
You know, this isn't a Google. This isn't an NVIDIA.

Speaker 1 This is a water company. That's this type of stuff that we see.
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Speaker 1 So, how does Kramer do relative to, say, Inverse Kramer?

Speaker 1 He beats them. So, Inverse Kramer was up 48% in 2024.
Wait, Inverse Kramer? Oh, yeah, yeah. We have a portfolio that does the opposite of what he does.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, we're just, we're, we're a group of, you know, we're 15 now out in

Speaker 1 Irvine, California, just fucking around with some of these things. And we're, we're registered with the SEC.
Are you in?

Speaker 1 Do you invest in these funds? You can't. So, I mean, you can and you can't.

Speaker 1 I don't buy like the Pelosi ones because I, I, I ethically, I don't like to buy the companies that I tweet about because I don't want to believe in like. If I tweet this, the stock will go up 20%.

Speaker 1 Right. You know, I just don't even want to get into that world.
I, though, invest in some of these other strategies. I, I have around 5K in a strategy provided by QuiverQuant.
Great guys.

Speaker 1 They do what Unusual Wells does similar on Instagram and Twitter. They track the lobbying.
So they see which companies are spending the most on lobbying in DC.

Speaker 1 And then they build a strategy around it to see if a strategy like that outperforms the market over time. Well, I know what sector has spent a lot

Speaker 1 crypto. Yep.

Speaker 1 I mean, I mean, I saw them everywhere on the road this fall. Really? We have a J.D.
Vance portfolio. He has some

Speaker 1 Bitcoin. His portfolio is very good he is uh he only is in um

Speaker 1 the etfs so kudos to him but he owns some crypto i will say this about obviously jd is a friend of mine so i would defend him

Speaker 1 you know my instinct is to defend him and i love jd vance but i would say without knowing any details yeah he like had a legitimate you know career in that world before 100 yeah he so you could at least say jd vance knows what an etf is you know and also credit to him he so he was a vc founders fund you know i i come, I don't come from this world, but I know this because, you know, our app is venture-backed.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 1 he had, again, credit to him. He had money in Rumble, so YouTube's competitor, uh, before he, via his venture capital firm.

Speaker 1 I, I can't confirm this. I've never met him, but when he got into office, before he became VP, he sold out of Rumble.
So only the, the stocks that he owns are just the main ETFs.

Speaker 1 Can I ask you, is there some easy or workable way for members of Congress to put all their investments into some blind yeah blind trust yeah yeah yes yeah

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 this is where it gets complex and i'd be curious to hear your take on this so there's bills out there to get it banned you know i think social media has done a tremendous job with this with the pelosi tracker with all of us trying to call out with our app it's like our app Part of it is built to highlight the hypocrisy of just how big of a problem this is.

Speaker 1 $500 million shouldn't be copying Pelosi. If they are, that's a problem.

Speaker 1 So to credit to some of these politicians, AOC has done a lot. You know, she's a fiery figure, but she has had two bills.

Speaker 1 She actually just released a bill a week ago called the Restore Faith in Government Act, and it calls for banning political stock trading. There's been around five.
That's good for her. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 She had a bill with Matt Gates. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The bill that's got the farthest, and this is where this just frustrates me with all the stuff going on is there was a bill introduced by josh howley um john ossoff and a couple other politicians uh the reason why that one's important is because they got that to the senate and in the senate while they were um in one of the committees the way that the bills enter the floor is they have to get passed off by the committee um

Speaker 1 this is the bill that made it the farthest in that bill though they uh they offered kind of four things first

Speaker 1 members can't trade stocks by 2025. This was introduced in 2024.
Members can't trade stocks. Second, spouses and dependents can't trade stocks through 2027.

Speaker 1 Third,

Speaker 1 any private investment you have, you have to sell out of to run to become a politician. No,

Speaker 1 no one has ever asked for that. That has never come up.
And that became a big, big problem. This is where it gets scary.
And we have to be careful with like what we're essentially pushing for.

Speaker 1 So what everyone has asked for on these bills is no trading. No members and their spouses can trade, put it in a blind trust.

Speaker 1 Now this fourth bill, no trading, no members and spouse, blind trust, but also you have to sell out of every private investment. And that,

Speaker 1 when they started debating it, Mitt Romney, Tim Scott, and a couple other politicians on it were like, wait a second, we can't vote yes on this.

Speaker 1 Like, let's take, if you guys are telling me that any future politician that wants to run has to sell out of private investments, that could become a major, major problem.

Speaker 1 You know, if you want to run and be a politician, you'd have to sell out of your businesses. If I were to run, I would have to sell out of my businesses.

Speaker 1 A farmer would have to sell out of his family businesses. Is that right? Like, why are we essentially doing that? And when you take a step back at the time, this was, you know, Kamala versus Trump.

Speaker 1 Kamala just picked Tim Waltz to be the VP. And you think about where the directions of each parties are going.
If you have a bill out there that bans

Speaker 1 politicians from owning in private investments, you are turning off kind of a whole part of future people. Yeah.
And I mean,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 you do kind of want people who are invested in the country, you know, who have some like longitudinal stake in America.

Speaker 1 I mean, I do think that. Like, I'm fighting for my, that's why I believe in home ownership, you know, because like I own a piece of ground here, you know, it's my country.
And you know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 You had Trump and JD Vance. JD Vance, probably the most, in my lifetime, the smartest, like most accomplished like guy running for politics that I've ever seen.
I think he's totally

Speaker 1 tremendous.

Speaker 1 You got him with Trump, business guys first, politician second. You got Vivek, business politician second.
On the other side, you got Kamala, career-long politician, 20-plus years.

Speaker 1 Just parasite, yeah.

Speaker 1 Tim Waltz. Tim Waltz, you have to disclose what you own.
He doesn't own anything. Like you even just said, like, I own part of land in America.
He doesn't, from my memory, he doesn't own a house.

Speaker 1 The only thing he owned on that public disclosure was a teacher's pension. And then you start, it's like, where can we go with this path of, you know,

Speaker 1 pro-business, successful, competent people running our country? verse career-long politicians that just know how to play the game of thrones in politics to be able to get to where they want. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Nicely put. That scared the shit out of me when they started talking about that at that.

Speaker 1 Well, it may be just a way to kill the whole idea. So that was the other thing, is it a kill pill? And again, this is why, like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just don't use insider information that you get with my money in the, we own all that information. That belongs to us.

Speaker 1 It does not belong to Mike McCall or any of these other douchebags, corrupt douchebags like Mike McCall.

Speaker 1 who's, I just want to say, again, it's a corrupt douchebag. I just want to say that really clearly.

Speaker 1 But they don't own this information. It belongs to the public.
It belongs to the U.S. government, which is owned by the people who are citizens of this country.
So just stop that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you don't want to encourage like government by, you know, people who own nothing. Like, what? Government by the homeless.
I want people who are like, no, my kids live here. My grandkids live here.

Speaker 1 This is our family farm or whatever. Like you want that.
Skin in the game. Skin in the game.
I'm going to protect this country because it's mine. Yeah.
Yeah. 100%.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 give me the incentive. I'll give you the outcome.
It's like, if you have politicians that are incentivized for the good of American families, you know, it's like

Speaker 1 kids, Trump, pro-family. Exactly.
You're going to build for your grandkids, not for you. I would ban childless politicians from having too much power because it's like you're not.

Speaker 1 I just know anyone who has kids will tell you it's like you're really worried about at a certain point. Why do you care? You're going to die anyway, but you care about the next generation, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And, you know, give Roe Kahana credit, the representative out of San Francisco, he's doing a lot on social media.
He doesn't have as much power, but he's calling for term limits.

Speaker 1 And I think because we're looking at, you know, again, I'm 29. I'm not, I don't, I'm just out here just calling citizen journalism on X, being like, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 Let me build with my, like my skill set is I feel like I can. do, I know how to use social media algorithms and I know how to build a product to get people involved in it.

Speaker 1 Let me use this as the best way in my ability as an American citizen to promote change, to bring bring trust back into the institutions.

Speaker 1 A big part of the problem looking at it is like, what are these 85-year-olds doing? I agree. And, you know, for 30 years.
It's just so obviously unwise, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at 85, at 75, you know, it's just harder to

Speaker 1 don't have the mental acuity. That's just a fact.
It's a biological fact, but ignoring biology is one of our main, our main pastimes at this point. I've grown up with that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 My mom's a pediatrician. I know.
She really

Speaker 1 believes in biology, I assume. Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 That's freak funny. So

Speaker 1 tell us about the war stocks. I'm sorry, I had to calm down before you went down that.
That's really dark. Do you think it's possible that people are encouraging war because they're profiting from it?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 this topic gets a lot of

Speaker 1 conversation on TikTok and Instagram particularly. Just mainly because it's like warmongering, not warmongering.
The idea of even being able to profit from war probably shouldn't be allowed.

Speaker 1 Of course not.

Speaker 1 But they do. And you know, whether they do it inherently or not, if the three main companies are Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and Raytheon Technologies, Raytheon,

Speaker 1 Raytheon's hard because Raytheon is the company behind the Israel's Iron Dome. Yes.
So

Speaker 1 Israel and Hamas,

Speaker 1 that's pro-Raytheon. Like Raytheon's now selling missiles for the Iron Dome that that we're watching on X go off every two days back then when that all with Iran and all that.
Um, and um

Speaker 1 Lebanon, but the politicians, Mark Wayne Mullen, he sits on the Armed Services Committee. He owns Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

Speaker 1 And we've called them out for it because that's to another degree because you sit on the committee. Uh, never never heard anything about it.
Um, Unusual Wales has a great report.

Speaker 1 What could possibly, and again, I'm, I've only met Mark Wayne Mullen once. He's a friend of a friend of mine who says he's great.
He seemed nice.

Speaker 1 But what could possibly be the excuse for owning defense stocks if you sit on the committee who funds them? Yeah. So

Speaker 1 this is what's the problem with the way they disclose right now is I don't know which ones are theirs or which ones are being run by a financial advisor because

Speaker 1 some of them have financial advisors running their portfolios, but they still have to disclose it. My hope is that it's financial advisors advisors running some of these portfolios.

Speaker 1 My hope would they, and I'm sure that's right. I mean, I guess I have stocks.
I have no idea what they are. I mean, you know,

Speaker 1 whatever. I've got some person doing that, I guess.
But

Speaker 1 I would hope that they would be thoughtful enough that if you sit on a committee that's, you know, overseeing an industry, that you would just call up to your broker and say, hey, we can't buy anything that I regulate.

Speaker 1 It's five minutes. That's all it takes.
Right. Yeah.
And again, this is. And you put that out there publicly, and he still owns those.
Yeah. We call out everybody.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's no one that we, I, there's no politicians. Like we called out the new politician this morning.
Um, I can't remember his name. A Republican from Kentucky who sits on the

Speaker 1 accountability

Speaker 1 committee. He traded for the first time in three years.
We made a tweet about him. Uh, Dan Goldman.
So Dan Goldman, he's a rich guy from New York.

Speaker 1 We called him out to the point where he stopped trading. because we were making all these tweets of like, well, he's got a ton of inherited money out there.
A ton of inherited money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And credit to him. But I think this is the power of social media.
And I think this is a win, in my opinion, is like

Speaker 1 put it in a blind trust or just tell your,

Speaker 1 while you're a freaking politician, just go put it in the market. Like, just don't buy individual stocks for the four or five years, eight, 10 years.
Just put an index fund.

Speaker 1 Just put it in an index fund. Yeah.
It's not, just do what everyone else is doing. You know, like.
Well, that's such a good point.

Speaker 1 It's not not rocket science. And that's why I don't feel bad for calling out anybody because it's like, like, Dan, Crenshaw,

Speaker 1 you're going to complain about it. Just sell out of it and go put it in an index fund.
No one's stopping you.

Speaker 1 Well, then you could plausibly say if you had an index fund, which is just the whole market, you could just say, I'm betting on America. Great.
Good for you. I want you to do that.
Pro-America.

Speaker 1 And that's why, like, if you're to ask me, what is the solution? I think the solution is kind of two things for how do you solve this whole thing.

Speaker 1 And again, like our mission is we're trying to instill trust back in society. Like I'm pro-America.
You know, I want my grandkids to do well.

Speaker 1 I don't think a society functions if you can't trust your institutions. That's right.
And it starts with the politicians. Like, look at,

Speaker 1 I'm going off on a tangent, but I live in LA, California.

Speaker 1 Your heart breaks for it. And then you just start like, I don't know what to believe.
Cause these, you got Newsome. You got

Speaker 1 everything going on on X. There's conflicting sides.
And you go on and you say, hey, if you loot, you will get arrested. Okay, you guys are telling me that.

Speaker 1 I've watched for the past two years, everybody loot and no one get arrested. So you're now at this point where we're supposed to trust you on this fact that, oh, if you loot now, you'll get arrested.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, you've promoted and incentivized that behavior for people to get away with it. And what do you think happens? No one's going to believe you.
The trust is gone. What happens?

Speaker 1 So do you feel, this sidebar, but you feel as a resident of LA Santa Monica, you've watched looting for the past two years. That's, because that's really what it is.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen it in particular, but I mean, you can't walk into a CVS. Like

Speaker 1 the amount of times I've walked into CVS and

Speaker 1 your heart breaks for the

Speaker 1 little girl behind the cashier having to deal with these guys is walking in and out. Like, because you do see it and it's scary.

Speaker 1 That's looting on smaller proportions, but you for sure see it in California. I think it's major.
I think things fall apart when you see stuff like that. Why doesn't someone shoot them?

Speaker 1 I always think that I only see it on video. I haven't been to a CVS in a while.
But I think it's just

Speaker 1 like you're begging for total collapse if you allow that. Exactly.
And

Speaker 1 I'm a first principle thinker. I think it's trust.
I just don't think people trust that things will get done. And now if you take it out, you know, I love California.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's as bad as people make it sound.

Speaker 1 But if you can't trust the politicians, society crumbles. And I see with the trading, if you can't trust the majority of politicians, America will crumble.

Speaker 1 Because why would I believe what the politician is telling me while I'm watching them do these other things right in front of my face and I can't do anything about it? Yes.

Speaker 1 So we want them banned to get the trust back into that. Of course.
But the problem with the ban is, is it constant, like

Speaker 1 if in that ban, you would have to ban the kids and you would have to ban the spouses from trading.

Speaker 1 Is it constitutionally allowed to say, hey, you know, say you're a senator from Florida and you're like, hey, Tucker, you want to be a senator? That's fine.

Speaker 1 But per the stock act now, your kids can't trade stocks and your spouse can't trade stocks. What if your kid is a hedge fund manager or your kid is, you know,

Speaker 1 like, how do you ban that kid? It's hard. It's hard.
I mean, well, like any, any system is voluntary, basically. I mean, if Everyone tries to subvert a system of any kind, the system will collapse.

Speaker 1 So people have to decide, like, I want to be a better person and not take everything I can. Don't be greedy.
Don't be selfish. I mean, it's the things you tell your kids.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like you show up at somebody's house, you're eight years old on Halloween and there's a huge basket. Yeah, you're not taking every system.

Speaker 1 Don't take everyone. Yeah, when you're Halloween,

Speaker 1 trick-or-treating, you're not taking every big Reese's bar.

Speaker 1 They don't have Halloween in Africa because people just take every Reese's bar.

Speaker 1 But here we always have because there's a lot of self-restraint in the population. So what do you do about that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know either.
But I think a solution though can be in this is where like

Speaker 1 get rid of the delay, make them file the same day so that you increase transparency around that. How long is the delay now? 45 days.
And I don't, I did a lot of research.

Speaker 1 I couldn't figure out why there was a delay to begin with. Like, I don't understand why.
Why do you need a 45-day delay? I don't know. That's per the stock act.

Speaker 1 But also, once you get rid of the delay, just make it so that either the politicians have to invest in a blind trust or major ETFs, or if you're not going to go that far, just don't allow them to trade companies they oversee.

Speaker 1 And it's very, very simple. If I'm a consultant covering pharmaceutical industry at Deloitte, Deloitte does not allow that consultant to buy pharmaceutical stocks.

Speaker 1 They can buy other stocks, but they can't buy a pharmaceutical. And like, it's all just a step in the right direction.

Speaker 1 towards something that like we can get on the right path to trusting the politicians again. That's like my.
I think the fact you're watching makes a big difference.

Speaker 1 difference yeah i mean it has to right i think it has yeah that's what i tell myself

Speaker 1 about you know calling doj or copying doj on some of these social media posts and saying you know maybe there's there should be a criminal referral here yeah and we haven't maybe that's the next step um we the sec has never investigated any of them and i think the sec just has a ton of stuff on their hands to be honest with you that's for sure we'll see what happens because there's a lot of corruption in the country now it's not just congress and Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the hard part about this is the SEC, there's billion-dollar schemes. Like they should have found SBF, you know, kind of thing.

Speaker 1 The politicians is not the major, major thing on the monetary side. I agree.
But it is, though, on the public image side.

Speaker 1 And that's what I think, like, I don't think people understand the long-term effects of not trusting institutions a lot. I agree.
And there should be a priesthood, a secular priesthood in charge.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, that's why they call them public servants.
Yeah. You know,

Speaker 1 they're giving up something to serve their country. I don't think that's unfair to ask people to do it.
I feel like they've forgotten about it. They forgot the whole

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Speaker 1 How are Defense stocks doing? They're up. They're up.

Speaker 1 They weren't up earlier this year, I believe, but I think they are. I think the one that I followed in particular is Raytheon.
And I think Raytheon's up around 80%.

Speaker 1 So my thought is Lockheed and General Dynamics are up too. But there's smaller ones.
I mean, Tommy Tuberville bought this company called

Speaker 1 Humocyte. And what Humocyte does is it treats soldiers injured in war in Ukraine.
And he bought that stock. We flagged it because he sits on the Armed Services Committee.

Speaker 1 And if you go on the Armed Services website, it literally says helping companies do military research.

Speaker 1 He buys a company that does military research. The stock was up, I think, like at the peak of it, 100%.

Speaker 1 He sold out early. So I think he made 30%.

Speaker 1 But it's not even just like my point is, it's not necessarily even just Lockheed, Raytheon. Right.
It's these companies that get military government contracts to help the long tail.

Speaker 1 That's all of Northern Virginia. Yeah.
Right there. I know.
Yeah. I was listening to a couple of your other podcasts.
Yeah. No.
I mean, I've spent my life there, so I'm deeply resentful.

Speaker 1 And it's also very ugly, which tells you a lot. What they do for a living is ugly.
Killing people is the ugliest thing you could do, but they've also constructed an incredibly ugly world physically.

Speaker 1 Like if you drive from Dulles Airport into the city, you see not a single pretty building. Everything is awful, and it's a reflection of their souls, in my opinion.
Others disagree.

Speaker 1 Tell us, and I went right over this. I'm sorry, but about Jim Kramer.
You have an inverse Jim Kramer.

Speaker 1 So if you were to invest with Jim Kramer, would you do better or worse than, say, Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Nancy?

Speaker 1 In 2024, you would have done better. And this is all up.

Speaker 1 If people want to go on joinautopilot.com or even on our app, Autopilot, you'll see all these numbers because I don't want to mess up the numbers. Yeah, of course, but

Speaker 1 Kramer was up 48%. Stock market was up around 25%.
He was up, not inverse. Oh, sorry.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 Inverse Kramer was up. Oh, inverse Kramer.
Okay, so when you're talking about Kramer, you're talking about Kramer's.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do the opposite.

Speaker 1 The opposite of Kramer was up 48%. And we balance that thing on a monthly basis.

Speaker 1 He has his own stock group, which maybe we'll pay to get the subscription in to actually see the stocks that he's talking about. He has this through CNBC.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it was up to you. Inverse Kramer has done.
48%.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. It's.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's a gag?

Speaker 1 I think it's social media. Not even social media.
I think it's just how media works. It's headlines and you have to talk about.
But he's like a Harvard graduate who's like a genius, everybody.

Speaker 1 I mean, I know I'm obviously not a genius,

Speaker 1 but he's employed to tell you about the stock market, but betting against him gets you 48%. Like, how does that mean? And he has a private stock market group that does all this stuff

Speaker 1 that he tells people with personal stock picks and stuff like that. So it's not even just he gets employed and does it on social media and TV.
He has a personal group that does it. But

Speaker 1 yeah, that one blows my mind because I don't know how, I don't know how you can say, don't, you know, sell Tesla and the stock goes up 100%.

Speaker 1 There's a tremendous video from when early days with Tesla when Kramer is essentially talking about Tesla, says it's trash. Get rid of it.
Don't even talk about it.

Speaker 1 From that day, the stock sumped thousands, thousands and thousands of percent up. And Elon loves it.
What do you think that is do you think like kramer

Speaker 1 like why would they employ kramer why how could he be that bad if you just employed like your dog yeah or a whole bunch of dogs get a chicken yeah exactly

Speaker 1 that's exactly right yeah

Speaker 1 do you have any guesses no i mean i think like

Speaker 1 if i'm thinking about it because i like i haven't really thought too much about it on the sense of um how does it actually like how can it actually do it so well?

Speaker 1 My thought is maybe though, like the way that the markets work, and I'm no expert at this, is you know, you want to buy the news and sell the or buy the buildup and then you sell the news.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kramer can just be slow with getting onto these popular stocks so that by the time he's talking about Tesla, by the time he's talking about, hey, you know,

Speaker 1 go buy NVIDIA. It's like, yeah, you everyone's been talking about NVIDIA for six months before you start talking about it.

Speaker 1 The portfolio that we have for him on autopilot is $15 million million following him, following his inverse picks.

Speaker 1 So essentially, there's a, we have a pseudo-ETF-ish sort of thing that does the exact opposite. All based on his stupidity.
All based on his stupidity, yeah.

Speaker 1 Or all based on what he thinks is right that turns out to be wrong. That's incredible.

Speaker 1 So you got venture backing for all because it does sound like

Speaker 1 I love everything I love it all, but the fact that you made a business out of it is especially amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's been a journey. And again, like, I don't come from this world.
You know, I was living in Bali before we started this thing.

Speaker 1 And Brian, Aaron, Scott, my co-founders, like, we all did this stuff together. We didn't think it would get this big.

Speaker 1 We got a lot of no's. And like the slogan of what our app essentially was was invest like a politician.
So like if your app says invest like a politician, how big can that thing actually become?

Speaker 1 How popular can that actually be? Turns out it can be very popular because not only are they good, it's also the the perfect,

Speaker 1 it's the perfect way to highlight the hypocrisy.

Speaker 1 Because it's like, what better way to highlight the hypocrisy of politicians' stock trading than to literally build an app to invest alongside that hypocrisy?

Speaker 1 And the next thing you know, you got ABC News talking about us. Elon's retweeted us.

Speaker 1 Major thanks to you. This is the first time we've ever had a long-form conversation about this.
Our app is, when we launched it, we were number two in the App Store. No way.

Speaker 1 The whole thing blew up right before our very eyes. Yeah.
And the Pelosi tracker was a great part of that. But we have much, much bigger, much broader ambitions.

Speaker 1 And that's where the venture, the venture-backed part.

Speaker 1 What's so cool is that, so you built a whole business mocking and simultaneously profiting from the corruption of politicians, but you're at the same time calling for an end to it.

Speaker 1 If we lose the politician stock trading, we lose a major chunk of our business for sure. But you're still in favor of losing it.
100%.

Speaker 1 100%. Because our mission is to instill trust back in the institutions.
And

Speaker 1 I'm not an expert at this, but this topic, but like the way that we see it is knock out the politicians. And this is all through autopilot.

Speaker 1 Autopilot's our slogan in the broader when we pitch investment. I love the name, by the way.
Yeah, I know. Put your money on it.

Speaker 1 It's to redefine money management. So I'm 29 and we're about to go through the greatest wealth transfer in the history of the world.

Speaker 1 You know, 85 trillion is about to be parked on people like my doorstep. Say I get half a million dollars.
This is when the boomers die. Yeah, yeah.
This is when the boomers die.

Speaker 1 And part of that money is in housing, but there still is a lot that goes into money management.

Speaker 1 75% of kids who inherit their parents' money fire their parents' financial advisor the day they get that money.

Speaker 1 So now you got a kid who has half a million dollars parked on his lap, fires the financial manager because it's like, who the heck are you?

Speaker 1 And now they have to make the decisions of how do I invest this money? Do I do it on my own? Do I do it through a Google search, pick the top financial advisor? Do I do it through a friend?

Speaker 1 We think there's a lot of problems in that. And there's no trust and transparency in those decisions.

Speaker 1 So with Autopilot, what we're trying to do is solve that trust and transparent way by building a marketplace to find a money manager and then invest through that money manager in a way that you still have control.

Speaker 1 And I think like what you said earlier, and I'm sorry for rambling, but

Speaker 1 the big, big thing that we're trying to do is

Speaker 1 we're trying to ensure that people's money builds the futures that they want. And I think in 2030, 2035, 2040, this is going to become a bigger and bigger thing.

Speaker 1 And a good example of the early inklings of this is this,

Speaker 1 whether it's conspiracy theory or not, you know, we'll see what happens with it. But this topic of BlackRock and Vanguard having money and taking the assets in their own

Speaker 1 ETFs and stuff and using that to sway public

Speaker 1 laws and public opinion in the company, in the states that they oversee. They're getting sued in Texas.
They're getting sued in Florida.

Speaker 1 And part of like, again, whether that's true or not, what annoys me personally when I invest is I want to make sure that my money goes towards my beliefs.

Speaker 1 And if you have someone else managing your money or you put your money in a Vanguard, you put your money in a BlackRock, there's possibilities for that to happen at a much broader scale than if you do it on your own.

Speaker 1 That's exactly. And that's like what we're trying to, we're trying to build that.

Speaker 1 We're trying to essentially build out the way that you can have your money managed without you having to sacrifice your own values, your own voter rights, your own beliefs. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't want to turn over your money to someone who is trying to eliminate all your rights. I mean, that's crazy.
It's contradictory. And it works for both sides.
Like,

Speaker 1 I don't, for me personally, pro-America, I don't want any dollars invested in Chinese stocks. No.

Speaker 1 And like, if I have, you know, maybe a couple hundred bucks if you're trying to swing an Alibaba, but if like you got half a million dollars in that retirement, I don't want any of that invested in Alibaba because inherently you are funding a future where Alibaba succeeds.

Speaker 1 Like, do you want that? And the other side is like, we have customers and we have clients that are like, I don't want my money

Speaker 1 invested in oil companies. Like, I want to be pro-EV.
It's like, okay, but did you know that you got your retirement account with these other people and they

Speaker 1 have money in Chevron, Oxy, you know, things like that? That's like what we're trying to solve and trying to build to. And again, it all starts with just trust.

Speaker 1 Because if you can't trust even where your money is being invested, what does that mean? In my opinion, that means society is worse off because you don't even trust.

Speaker 1 how your money is being managed in that state that you're in. Right.
And it changes people if they conclude that the whole

Speaker 1 the whole deal is a scam. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I live a lot of the year in a really rural area and my whole life,

Speaker 1 no one I knew ever took any government benefits because the idea was that we're like proud, you know, working class people were not doing that.

Speaker 1 And then the state brought in all these immigrants from Africa and gave them everything, you know, houses, phones, airplane tickets, food vouchers, free medical, just these are immigrants getting all this free stuff.

Speaker 1 And everyone in the town where I am, which very few immigrants or people, not everyone, people I knew were like, wait a second, you know, I served in the military. I've worked, paid tax my whole life.

Speaker 1 I never gotten anything from the government. Screw it.
I'm putting in for any benefit I possibly can. And it,

Speaker 1 you know, it's easy for me to disapprove because I'm rich. So it's like, I don't have to do that, but I got it.

Speaker 1 It's like they all of a sudden realize people who've lived in this country their whole lives,

Speaker 1 you know, did a lot for the country, I would argue. They realize the whole thing's a freaking scam.
So I might as well get in on it.

Speaker 1 If you have that attitude, man, things fall apart like that. Look at COVID.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Happened with all the COVID loans. The PPO stuff or whatever.
Yeah, Pelosi was a big part of this too. The PPO.

Speaker 1 The PPO with the employees. So there's documents.
So Pelosi owns a hotel up in Napa. I think it's a hotel.

Speaker 1 And she has had this one property that has made $100,000, lost $100,000. And you all have to file this every year.
And in it, you have your income. Made $100K, lost $100K, made $100K, lost $100K.

Speaker 1 The year that COVID happened, they made $5 million plus in profit. So how do you go from, and this is income.
This isn't necessarily even just like,

Speaker 1 like, it's not necessarily loans or anything. This is income.
You lose 100K, you make 100K.

Speaker 1 COVID happens, the loans go out. Your business now makes 5 million.
Year after that, you go back down to making 100K and then making 100K, losing 100K. So there was an anomaly.

Speaker 1 This came out, I think, by the New York Post

Speaker 1 right after Thanksgiving, I think.

Speaker 1 And they highlight this. And it's like, was the corruption around these PPP loans, these

Speaker 1 COVID loans, did this get up to the degree that the politicians were benefiting from this too?

Speaker 1 And it seems like it did. So that's, again, like the, that frustrates me because that we have a family company.
We sell sports compression products, little arm sleeves.

Speaker 1 We don't necessarily have employees, but you know, we're a small family business. We took out a loan to survive because we sell it in sports.
Sports got canceled.

Speaker 1 We have to pay that loan back, which is fine. We knew that when we took it out, that we have to pay this loan back.
But that loan money didn't go towards profiting us.

Speaker 1 It essentially went towards sustaining us. We had to pay it back, though.
That loan to Pelosi, the $5 million that she makes, it comes in as income,

Speaker 1 you don't have to pay it back because

Speaker 1 just so messed up. It's disgusting.
Yeah. It's

Speaker 1 again,

Speaker 1 I don't come from any of this stuff. I know nothing about the politics and how it was before we started tracking.

Speaker 1 And it just shocks me of like these rules for thee and not for me to the every single aspect of our lives. You should be shocked by it.
You should fight against it.

Speaker 1 You are, I hope you get, ironically, I hope you get rich fighting against it. And I really appreciate that explanation.
It was even more interesting than I thought. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it. And thank you again for having me on.
Dude, you're one of the reasons I like social media. Whenever I think, oh, social media is turning everyone trans and it's bad.

Speaker 1 Then I see what you do. And I'm like, no, it's actually, there are some great things.

Speaker 1 And it's not just us. I think Elon with X saved everything because we had a Pelosi tracker on Meta banned.
Banned. They banned it? Banned the first week.
Yeah. Why?

Speaker 1 I think in their disclaimer and whatnot, they said they couldn't use the name Pelosi Tracker. You can't criticize any politician from the Bay Area where they're based.

Speaker 1 And so we then created and we did the politician trade tracker. So we're on Instagram now, but but Elon with X in the

Speaker 1 citizen journalism that's going on, I think that's like the biggest thing that I get, I'm proud of is like

Speaker 1 in whether these news, CNNs, Fox News, NBCs, and I don't know how they're going to adapt to it, but they have to figure out a way to

Speaker 1 hit the masses

Speaker 1 through social media. And the best people at it are are these citizen journalists on X that are doing all this work, that are uncovering these stories.
They may not have all the facts.

Speaker 1 They may not be 100% right. There's probably some grifters out there.
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