Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good

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Speaker 2 So you're pretty much the first person Trump chose after he got elected. I think it was the end of that week, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I believe I was.

Speaker 2 Can you summarize in one sentence what you plan to do with the job?

Speaker 3 Well, look, we had a discussion that night, and

Speaker 3 he gave me three rails.

Speaker 3 Three things he wants me to do. Number one is secure the border.
Yep. I'll shut the border down.
Number two, run the biggest deportation operation this country's ever seen.

Speaker 3 And third, he wants me to lead an effort to find the over 300,000 missing children that were trafficked into this country, and this administration cannot locate them.

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Speaker 2 So seal the border, deport the illegals, find the missing children, 300,000. Yes.
Let's go in order.

Speaker 2 Seal the border.

Speaker 2 What has happened? Do you have a sense now?

Speaker 2 over a month after Trump's victory of just how big the invasion was under Biden? Do we know?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 we know that we can document over 10 million encounters, 10.5 that we can document. Then we can document over 2 million gotaways, right? These are known gotaways.
What is a known gotaway?

Speaker 3 These are people

Speaker 3 we

Speaker 3 capture an image on drone, video.

Speaker 2 Is that in addition to the 10? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So at least 12 million people

Speaker 3 have been encountered at our border.

Speaker 3 10.5 been encountered. Over two,

Speaker 3 we got it. We know they're a gotaway because there's a

Speaker 3 we capture on drone traffic, video traffic, or sensor traffic, and Borg chose over one that couldn't respond. So we know there's at least 12.5 million people at that border.

Speaker 2 So that's like

Speaker 2 New York plus Chicago.

Speaker 3 It's a historic number, which is one of the reasons. Why I wake up pissed off every day because we went for the most secure border in my lifetime.
I started in 1984 as Borg Triang.

Speaker 3 I worked for six presidents.

Speaker 2 Where did you start, by the way?

Speaker 3 I was Borg to agent in Campo, California, San Diego sector. Yep.
But to go from the most secure border of my lifetime under President Trump, based on data, right? That's just my opinion. That's data.

Speaker 3 Go for the most secure border of my lifetime to historic illegal immigration in one administration. That's by design.
That's not mismanagement. That's by design.

Speaker 2 What do you think the goal was?

Speaker 3 You know, I asked that a lot. Why would anybody open a border up? I think Joe Biden's the first president in American history who came in office and unsecured a border.
I worked for six presidents.

Speaker 3 Obama and Clinton took steps to secure the border because they understood you possibly can't have, there's no way you can have strong national security.

Speaker 3 If you don't have border security, you need to know what's coming, who's coming, and where it's coming, and why it's coming.

Speaker 3 Joe Biden's first president came in office and unsecured a border. And people ask me all the time why.
I think they see a future political benefit.

Speaker 3 I think they think these people would be future Democratic voters,

Speaker 3 one, two, but we don't even have to get there, right, Tucker? I mean,

Speaker 3 when Biden signed over nine executive orders, getting rid of everything we did, he also returned to Trump's census rule, where man's of illegal ailing should be counted in all these sanctuary cities, which is going to result in more seats in the House for the Denmarks and reproportionate seats in the House.

Speaker 2 Can that be undone?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. I think President Trump needs to get, when he gets back in, he needs to establish the other census rule.
Illegal ailing should not be counted in the census.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, because illegal foreign citizens, non-Americans, should not be able to determine how many members of Congress you have and where they sit. Exactly.

Speaker 3 I think President Trump will reinstitute

Speaker 3 the game-changing policies he had during the first administration, so we can secure the border. We did it before.
This time we're going to finish the job.

Speaker 2 How many came through Canada? Do you know?

Speaker 3 I don't have that off the top of my head, but I know the number, depending on what sector you look at, is 600 to 800 percent increase on the northern border, specifically in upstate New York, where I grew up.

Speaker 3 And I still have a home up there. So I'm very familiar with that area.
And I talk to Border Patrol chiefs up there all the time. Northern New York has a huge problem.

Speaker 3 And the problem with the northern border, a lot of SIAs come to the northern border.

Speaker 3 They can afford to fly to Canada and cross the northern border, which is wide open because there's a lot of border and very few agents.

Speaker 3 So a lot of Indians, a lot of Pakistani, a lot of Turkish come to the northern border.

Speaker 2 I mean, who organized this? You say it was by design.

Speaker 2 There are a lot of NGOs involved. The United Nations is involved.
A bunch of religious charities, pretty evil religious charities, in my opinion, involved in this.

Speaker 2 But they seem to be coordinating with one another.

Speaker 2 Do we understand exactly what happened?

Speaker 3 You know, we're still looking into it. I think under the Trump administration, there needs to be an investigation and what happened, who was involved.

Speaker 3 I know I've had numerous conversations with Mark Green, who's the chairman of Homeland Oversight.

Speaker 3 He plans on having some oversight hearings on this, specifically when it relates to the NGOs.

Speaker 3 I think they were complicit in a lot of this illegal immigration.

Speaker 3 And certainly the United Nations, we're south of our border working on this global illegal immigration to the United States.

Speaker 3 So I'm counting on the new Congress, which we now have control of both the House and the Senate, to conduct oversight hearings and hold people accountable.

Speaker 3 There's no way, again, there's no way this is mismanagement or incompetence. This is by design.

Speaker 3 And do I think Joe Biden had the expertise to do it? No, I think someone's pulling his strings. So this is something that needs to be fully investigated.
People need to be held accountable because

Speaker 2 it would wreck the country. They need to go to prison.

Speaker 3 They created the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen. We got a record number of people on terrorist watchlists being arrested.
We got 2.2 million people.

Speaker 3 And this is my biggest issue I brought up for the last two years. It's just not about illegal immigration anymore.

Speaker 3 You cause a crisis this big that overwhelms the Border Patrol, where where many times 70% of agents were pulled off the line dealing with this humanitarian crisis, right?

Speaker 3 Changing diapers, making baby formula, making hospital runs, doing that humanitarian mission,

Speaker 3 leaving 30% of our Homeland Security officials left securing the border.

Speaker 3 There was times in the last two years where 100%, 100% of border collisions were pulled off the line, such as in El Paso, because when they got overcrowded, this administration said, wait, we can't have overcrowding.

Speaker 3 That's a bad optic. So let's pull every agent off the line, process as quick as possible, release as quick as possible.
Because if there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here.

Speaker 3 The board is so secure. So

Speaker 3 when you overwhelm the board of children, that's one of the bad things happen. That's when we got 2.2 million gotaways, right?

Speaker 3 That's when the fentanyl comes across to kill a quarter million Americans.

Speaker 3 That's why sex trafficking of women and children is up 600%.

Speaker 3 That's why the number of migrant deaths

Speaker 3 is at a historic high.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 this, what they they people call this innocent illegal immigration crisis,

Speaker 3 made a lot of bad things happen because the Board of Patrol was strictly overwhelmed and couldn't do their national security.

Speaker 2 Well, it changed the culture of the United States, which is worse than any of the things that you and more permanent than any of the things you listed.

Speaker 2 You can't run in and change people's ancient culture. I've been here for 250 years.
You can't do that.

Speaker 2 No, it's the worst crime ever committed against the U.S., worse than the Civil War, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 So, but the question is: like, who did this and why? So, the United Nations, we pay the largest share of the U.N. budget.

Speaker 2 You know, we should have some ability to control what the U.N. does, but they commit this act of war against us.
Do we know who did at the U.N. and why?

Speaker 3 Aaron Powell, I do not, but it's something that's going to be ⁇ I believe it should be investigated. I'm pushing people I'm coming to the administration with that we need to investigate it.

Speaker 3 Again, I've talked to numerous representatives on the Hill that swear they're going to have hearings on this, and we need to. American people need to know exactly what happened, who is responsible.

Speaker 2 Do you think that

Speaker 2 the fentanyl traffickers,

Speaker 2 known as the cartels, I guess, I'm not exactly sure what that means. I'd like to ask you actually, but you keep reading and hearing that they have control of parts of the southwestern United States.

Speaker 2 First of all, what is a cartel? Who are they? Where are they from? And do you think that's true?

Speaker 3 Aaron Powell, well, the criminal cartels in Mexico, they are born out of the narcotics smuggling industry in Mexico, and they're powerful. Look, they're like a Fortune 500 company.
Yes.

Speaker 3 They're just not a gang anymore, right? Yeah, Jelisco Cartels is they're in over 45 countries of the world, right?

Speaker 3 And not only are they responsible for moving narcotics in this country,

Speaker 3 they're currently in every major city in the United States because not only are they smuggling the drugs in the United States, they're taking over the distribution within the United States, right?

Speaker 3 So, again,

Speaker 3 and I said this at the RNC, and and President Trump agrees with me. These criminal cartels have killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in the world combined, right?

Speaker 3 In every war, more than the Second World War. So that's why they need to be designated terrorist organizations and wiped off the face of the earth.
And it's going to take the United States to do it.

Speaker 3 Mexico has failed to do it, even if they tried to do it.

Speaker 3 The bottom line is much of the Mexican military, much of the Mexican law enforcement, much of the Mexican government's corrupt. That's just a fact.

Speaker 2 Well, then why, okay, so I noticed that the incoming administration just basically toppled the prime minister of Canada, who's a thoroughly evil person called Justin Trudeau.

Speaker 2 And just by threatening tariffs, they kind of fixed the Canada problem. Trump fixed it in about, I don't know, 20 minutes.
But how much more leverage do we have over Mexico?

Speaker 2 I mean, we're the entire economy of Mexico. Why don't we do that with Mexico?

Speaker 3 Well, we are. President Trump has threatened tariffs, and the president

Speaker 3 seems to say she's going to help. We'll see if her actions match her words.
But President Trump has a lot of power over Mexico. Look, the tariffs alone, Mexico needs us more than we need them, right?

Speaker 3 And look, I'm not saying every cop, every soldier, every politician in Mexico is corrupt, but many are. That's just a fact.

Speaker 3 When I was ice director, we had vetted units we worked with, law enforcement down there. We vetted them so we can work with them.

Speaker 3 But we didn't even tell the vetted units everything we know because we just couldn't be sure, right? But President Trump has a lot of leverage.

Speaker 3 Remember, when I became Borvichelace in 1984, one of my first assignments out of the academy was protecting a port of entry entry in Takate, California, because we had a DEA agent that was tortured and murdered, Kiki Camarana.

Speaker 3 I think he remembers.

Speaker 3 And they wouldn't help us to identify and turn over the people responsible.

Speaker 3 Ronald Reagan shut down the port of entries.

Speaker 3 And what, it took him two days? All of a sudden, we know who committed a crime. And so President Trump can obviously do that.
He can end all the visas, end the tourist visas, the business visas.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of power he has over Mexico. And he needs, President Trump's willing to do whatever it takes to protect our sovereignty and to protect this country.
And he's ready to do it.

Speaker 3 He proved it the first time, you know, when Remain in Mexico program, Mexico didn't want to do that. Third safe country agreements.
Mexico didn't want to do that.

Speaker 3 They didn't want to put 10,000 military on their border. But President Trump threatened them with tariffs and they came to the table.

Speaker 2 There are so many nice Mexican people, I mean, most Mexican people I've met, I really like. that we forget that the government's very anti-American.
It's not our ally in any sense.

Speaker 2 We spend all this energy being mad at at Assad,

Speaker 2 who cares. And we live next to this country that's helping to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year.
No one ever says anything about it.

Speaker 2 Don't you think it would be worth shifting some of that emotional energy and military resources to like countries right next to us who are hurting us?

Speaker 3 I'm 100% with you. And that's why I've been pushing for Mexico to come to the table and be accountable.

Speaker 3 It's against the law of Mexico to traffic in women and children, but they don't do anything about it. It's against the law of Mexico to transit through that country.

Speaker 3 If you're from another country without a transit visa, but they allow it. I mean, look at the beast, the big train that thousands of people came up every weekend.

Speaker 3 They didn't do anything until President Trump got in office and had him put a stop to it. I mean, but the good thing is a lot of countries are willing to come to the table right now.

Speaker 3 Mexico said they're going to. Let's see what they do.
I'll be deeply involved in those conversations.

Speaker 3 Panama, Panama wants to come to the table and help the United States secure our border by shutting down the Darien Gap. This administration said they're going to do it.

Speaker 3 Secretary Mallorca said he was going to do it. Panama never got any funding to do it.
They never got anything done with this administration. They were coming to the table again.

Speaker 3 We will shut down a Daring Gap, but please help us. We will help them.
Daring Gap, shutting the Daring Gap down would be a huge game changer on illegal migration to this country.

Speaker 2 But again, given the economic leverage the United States has,

Speaker 2 that shouldn't take more than a weekend, right?

Speaker 3 Aaron Powell, it's going to be pretty quick. I mean, we're going to come to the table what we need Mexico to to do.
Remain in Mexico program, a game changer. That needs to happen quickly.

Speaker 3 That was a game changer. Because after about two months, they stopped coming.
They stopped coming because they knew they weren't being released into the United States to not show up in court.

Speaker 3 And even if they show up in court, no one's looking to remove them because in this administration, ICE can't arrest somebody for simply being illegally in the United States.

Speaker 3 Secretary Morca has made that clear. They got to have a criminal conviction before ICE can even look at them, even though they're illegally here.
So the Remain in Mexico is a game chamber.

Speaker 3 They stopped coming. They stopped selling everything they had, giving the cartels every dollar they had to come to the United States to be released.
When the Remaining Mexico program

Speaker 3 came into place, they stopped coming. When they stopped coming, look at the lives that were saved.
Look at the money that was saved.

Speaker 3 If someone is really escaping fear and persecution from their homeland, from their government, home government, if they're really escaping fear and persecution, they're going to be willing to wait in Mexico for the hearing.

Speaker 3 But most of them know.

Speaker 2 But why would the U.S.

Speaker 2 take anybody who's, I mean, why is it our job, given our appalling track record around the world of like trying to make things better, you make them worse because the world's super complicated?

Speaker 2 Why do we have an obligation to take anybody from anywhere ever? I don't really get where does that come from.

Speaker 3 Well, that was the genius of the Remain in Mexico program, right?

Speaker 3 Because the President Trump, I remember sitting in the overall office one day, we're talking about this, and I was trying to explain to him, and he understood clearly what the whole

Speaker 3 situation of asylum is. I told him that if you look at the data, immigration court data,

Speaker 3 about nine out of 10 people who claim asylum at our border never get relief from the U.S. government because they simply don't qualify or they don't show up in court.

Speaker 3 Then you look at the Homeland Security Life Cycle Report, a report that's put up by Homeland Security.

Speaker 3 For instance, family units, for those that were ordered removed, only 6% leave. So when I explained to President Trump, 9 out of 10 don't even have a valid claim.

Speaker 3 But when that 9 out of 10 gets order removed, 6% leave. He says,

Speaker 3 you know, he didn't take him long and say, why the hell are we doing this? Yeah. So let's not let him and let's have a remain in Mexico program.

Speaker 3 If you're really escaping fear and persecution, you wait in Mexico. If you win your case, which are very few, welcome to the United States.

Speaker 3 But if you don't win your case, we don't have to go find you.

Speaker 3 And we're not putting this message out of catch and release so people keep coming knowing they're going to be released in the United States.

Speaker 3 At the same time, knowing when they lose their case, no one's looking to remove them. That whole dynamic is going to change.
Yes. Right.
Because

Speaker 3 I've said, I've been real clear since the day President Trump appointed me. If you're in the country illegally, you got a problem.
Right.

Speaker 3 If we don't take the judge's order, immigration court, when you ordered you removed, and he gets a deportation officer, a deportation order, if we don't execute those orders, then what the hell are we doing?

Speaker 3 Shut down the immigration court.

Speaker 3 Don't mean anything anymore. Take the border, draw off the border because there's no consequences for entering this country illegally.

Speaker 3 We'll give you due process, but when you're ordered removed, you're going to be removed. Or if we we don't, we send the message to the whole world.

Speaker 3 You can enter the country illegally, which is a crime. You can see a judge or not see a judge, get an order removal.
No one's looking for you.

Speaker 3 And that's what the Democrats are doing in this administration. They have overwhelmed the system, released the millions of this country.

Speaker 3 Immigration, the court doc has pushed back seven, maybe as much as nine years, like in New York. By that time, when they get an order removal, they got two or three UOC kids, right?

Speaker 3 And everybody's complaining, you can't remove that guy. He's got three UOC kids.
When I was vice director, I got calls from Republican senators. Why'd you remove that person? He has two USC children.

Speaker 3 Well, he didn't have two USC children enter country legally. He didn't have two USC children.
Calls from Republican senators.

Speaker 2 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3 They're the worst. And I said, I said, well,

Speaker 3 what's my option?

Speaker 3 He had due process at great taxpayer expense. He was already removed by a federal judge.
The option is just to let him stay, because if we're going to do that, how many more do you want to stay?

Speaker 3 Then we've got to send a clear message. We're in national laws.
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Speaker 2 Is there any way to move millions of Haitians into rich white liberal neighborhoods?

Speaker 2 I mean it. I mean it.
The people who did this are rich white liberals in the United States who hate themselves and the country.

Speaker 2 And to punish it, they invited all these people illegally from failed countries. But they can't stand the idea of living near these people because they're racist.

Speaker 2 So why wouldn't you move every Haitian to Bethesda and Brookline and Aspen and Martha's Vineyard in Nantucket like today? Can we do that? I will donate money if we can do that.

Speaker 3 We absolutely could. Look what the Martha's Vineyards did.
They put America.

Speaker 3 You know, this whole thing.

Speaker 2 They call the cops immediately because they're racist.

Speaker 3 Governor Abbott done more to secure this border than anybody in this administration. Guy's great.
DeSantis, the same. Do you know who first came up with the idea of busting people to sanctuary cities?

Speaker 3 It was President Trump. I remember sitting in the Oval Office one time.
He said, why don't we do that? So we started putting plans together.

Speaker 3 But the Remain in Mexico program was such a game changer, we couldn't fill a bus up if we wanted to. So

Speaker 3 we beat the problem before we actually got to that.

Speaker 2 The problem, though, is that the people doing it didn't have a precise enough understanding of rich white white liberal culture, but I do.

Speaker 2 So they would bust them to New York, then they wind up in Midtown and Queens. Okay, none of the people who are doing this were affected by it.

Speaker 2 But I could give you a list of zip codes where like Tony Blinken lives and stuff like that, because I know that world.

Speaker 2 They need to be moved into the neighborhoods of the people who are calling you racist for wanting to have laws and borders. Like they need to feel the effects of their own.
destruction.

Speaker 2 So just text me and I will send you the zip codes.

Speaker 2 I mean it too. Because what happened is they opened the borders and then all these people like moved to Jackson, Wyoming to the least diverse zip codes in the country.

Speaker 2 They literally ran to the hills to get away from diversity.

Speaker 3 I think we need to add to that though,

Speaker 3 the senators and congressmen are pushing back on inboard border security.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 3 You know, moving to illegal aliens right outside of the Vice President Kamala Harris's residence, that was a game changer, too. So I think

Speaker 3 not only those who are well financed, how about the politicians who are pushing back against any form of enforcement of our border laws?

Speaker 2 Well, that's why Bernie Sanders needs a ton of Haitians in Vermont because

Speaker 2 it's appallingly, it's blindingly white. It needs to change.
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 So, but just back to the cartel question,

Speaker 2 I don't know that much about it, but I keep hearing, I think, informed people say, man, you know, parts of New Mexico, Arizona, California.

Speaker 2 even Florida, Texas, you know, there is real control

Speaker 2 by these cartels in the way that they control Mexico. I mean, they're basically a state within a state with their own army and armored personnel carriers and tanks.

Speaker 2 Do you think that's real? Do you think they have that kind of beachhead here?

Speaker 3 Oh, absolutely. As I said earlier, they're like a Fortune 500 company.
They're well-financed. They're diversified in their funding.
And look,

Speaker 3 I've seen a lot of intelligence report.

Speaker 3 They have access to military-grade weapons. They'll take the Mexican military on and Mexican law enforcement.
They do all the time. And it's just not my opinion.

Speaker 3 They have control, operational control or southwest border. And I've talked to chief patrol agents who will agree with me, they've lost operational control on the southwest border.

Speaker 3 One chief patrol agent used the term broken arrow. I was on the phone with him one time.
He goes, Tom, I can't contain what's coming across. I'm lucky I'm catching 10% of it.

Speaker 3 The criminal cartels, knowing

Speaker 3 this administration caused this. huge humanitarian crisis and overwhelmed the border patrols we discussed earlier.

Speaker 3 And whatever assets that's left on the the border are left to patrol, the criminal cartels, you think 100 family units or 200 family units show up accidentally at the same place at a certain time?

Speaker 3 No, the cartels control that. They'll send a group to one area, knowing whatever left on the border was seized to that humanitarian crisis, right? They have to go deal with that.

Speaker 3 They create gaps in the system. That's when they move the fentanyl that's killed a quarter of a million Americans.
That's why sex trafficking is up 600%. The cartels.

Speaker 3 They create gaps in our system, and that's where they operate. And for the

Speaker 3 Democratic representatives up on the hill saying, well, most fentanyl comes to the port of entry,

Speaker 3 that's just a bunch of garbage. Most fentanyl is seized at a port of entry because every vehicle stopped.
And

Speaker 3 based on the CBP targeting system, which is law enforcement sensitive, and based on the responses to the questions,

Speaker 3 chances are they'll get secondary and they'll find some things. Between the port of entry,

Speaker 3 we're maybe touching 10%.

Speaker 3 So if I'm a criminal cartel, I'm going to use a route of least resistance. I know my vehicle is going to be stopped at a port of entry.
Will it be secondary or not? I don't know.

Speaker 3 But between a port of entry with 70% of the agents off the line, that's when I'm going to move my product. I mean, it's not rocket science.

Speaker 2 Just right over the open border, you know. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I know I'm jumping around, but I have too many questions for you.

Speaker 2 I read in the last three days, it's hard to believe this could be true, that the Biden administration auctioned off portions of the unfinished border wall at bargain basement prices. Is that true?

Speaker 3 Yes. I actually had a conversation with Senator Lindsey Graham two days ago.

Speaker 3 Someone needs to take some action because this is products that the taxpayers already paid for, and they're going to auction it off. And now, you know, Texas talk about buying it back.

Speaker 3 Shouldn't have to buy it back. We bought it once before, right?

Speaker 3 This administration's out. They're out in a couple more weeks.
Why would they continue to

Speaker 3 set us up for failure? That's what they're trying to do, right? President Biden signing all the executive orders. They want to sell the border product.

Speaker 3 I thought the American people on Election Day gave this country a clear mandate. They want a secure border.
But this administration is going to stop at ⁇ they won't stop at anything to slow us down.

Speaker 3 It's not going to slow us down. We're going to get that border wall finished.
But

Speaker 3 the mere stupidity of selling this stuff on pennies on a dollar, every taxpayer should be...

Speaker 2 Well, it's an act of hate toward the country, of course.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I've said it many times. They hate Trump more than they love their country.

Speaker 2 For sure.

Speaker 2 And I think they hate the country more than they hate Trump even. He represents the country to to them, the old country that they tried to change with immigration.

Speaker 2 Do you know Maorcas?

Speaker 3 I know him.

Speaker 2 How would you assess him?

Speaker 3 I used to respect him.

Speaker 3 Under President Obama,

Speaker 3 I got a Presidential Reign Award under President Obama because I oversaw the removal of

Speaker 3 well over a million

Speaker 3 aliens during that three-year period.

Speaker 3 Maorcas actually accompanied me on operations in New York City, targeting

Speaker 3 criminal aliens and illegal aliens, both.

Speaker 3 Jay Johnson approved the family operation.

Speaker 3 A lot of families were coming across during the Obama administration. And I told Jay Johnson, look, nine out of 10 of these families are going to be already removed.
Are we going to remove them?

Speaker 3 He said, absolutely. Jay Johnson stood by that.

Speaker 3 Allie Mayorkas, Alejandro Mayorkas, went on operation with us. He backed me up a lot.

Speaker 3 The main thing we disagreed on is the transgender policy where you wanted special treatment for transgenders and ICE detention. I was ordered to sign that policy.

Speaker 2 What kind of special treatment?

Speaker 3 Making sure

Speaker 3 they're identified as being a transgender or protected in our facilities and

Speaker 3 separated and

Speaker 3 get medical attention, whether it's hormone therapy or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 Wait, so he wanted the U.S. government to pay for hormone therapy? Yeah.

Speaker 3 And we got a huge argument over that, and I was ordered to sign the memo, and and that's where kind of where it had fallen out.

Speaker 2 But do you have any, why would he want, I mean, first of all, how many transsexual illegal aliens are there?

Speaker 3 You'd be surprised how many we run across.

Speaker 3 And they just, you know, they want a certain protection form in our facilities.

Speaker 3 But Alejandro Mayorkas went on operation with me. He shook hands with officers who were enforcing the immigration law.

Speaker 3 I remember we went to New York City on a huge operation, arrested a lot of illegal aliens.

Speaker 3 And when he was nominated to be secretary, I thought, okay, we're in the middle of this crisis again, right? He knows how we stopped it.

Speaker 3 We stopped it by building detention facilities, including family residential centers, you know, the

Speaker 3 so-called cages, right?

Speaker 3 He knew how we stopped it. We stopped by building more detention facilities, detaining people, making them have a hearing, because if you're in detention, you have a hearing within like 35 days.

Speaker 3 Nine out of 10 lost. We put him in an airplane, sent him home, and board numbers tanked.
So I'm thinking, okay, he knows how to fix it. He might be able to do this job.
He got into the job.

Speaker 3 He did complete 180. I don't recognize him anymore.
He's about not enforcing the law.

Speaker 3 One of his first instructions to ICE is that being in the country illegally on its own is not enough for you to go make an arrest.

Speaker 3 You got to wait till they're convicted of a serious criminal violation.

Speaker 2 Aaron Trevor Brandon-How can a federal administrator ignore federal law? Isn't that unconstitutional? Why can't he be arrested for that?

Speaker 3 It's illegal. I mean, the Fifth Circuit, the federal judge in the Fifth Circuit said not only are they ignoring the law, they're actually violating the law.

Speaker 3 Again, that's when we need to hold these people accountable in the incoming administration.

Speaker 3 I believe they violated the law.

Speaker 2 The fact that Congress never did anything about that is really telling me.

Speaker 3 Well, that's, you know, when they went through the impeachment proceedings, and I said at the time that we, I think we had five or six Republican congressmen that didn't vote for impeachment.

Speaker 3 I couldn't believe it. And I thought they lost the right to be a congressman at that point.
I mean, if they can impeach President Trump for making a phone call,

Speaker 3 you can't impeach Alejandro Mallorca for what he did to this border, the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen? Look, me and Christopher Wray, I'm not a friend of his.

Speaker 3 I don't really respect the man much, but he agrees with me that the border has become the biggest vulnerability this nation's ever seen.

Speaker 3 He sees more red flags than ever before, and they continue with the open border, even to this day after the election.

Speaker 3 Now they're going to sell border wall material that we're going to need in day one we're getting in there.

Speaker 3 The illegal behavior,

Speaker 3 the treasonous behavior from this administration has not stopped.

Speaker 2 Aaron Powell, what do you think happened? It's so interesting. I'm glad I asked you if you knew him.
I didn't know that you did. But since you do, what do you think happened to Majorkis?

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 as an agent since 1984, I think

Speaker 3 we study people. That's what we do.
Either he fooled me

Speaker 3 under the Obama administration that he actually believed in enforcement.

Speaker 3 Either I was hoodwinked and just thought he was behind enforcement

Speaker 3 or he always felt that way And just he played the role under the Obama administration. Then when he came back, he actually did what he always truly believed in open borders.

Speaker 3 I know the NGOs and he has a very close relationship. He worked with some NGOs when he was before he came back.
So

Speaker 3 I don't know what happened. All I know is a man who I once respected, I have zero respect to now because of what he's did.
Not again, not because of incompetence. This is by design.

Speaker 3 They knew exactly what they were doing because he's been there before. He knows how we shut it down.
He knows how we secured the border at a high level. Not as high as Trump.

Speaker 3 We secured the border at a pretty good level. He did everything he could to unsecure the border, which is a complete 180.

Speaker 2 It's fascinating. There's something

Speaker 2 you watch when he talks. There's something strange, very, well, first of all, he's lying.

Speaker 3 He's lying under oath, which is a felony, too. If I lying under oath, you don't think they would love to prosecute me for lying under oath.

Speaker 2 And they should. You shouldn't be allowed to.

Speaker 3 He's lied many times.

Speaker 3 One of the biggest statements he made was, for those who don't immediately qualify for asylum, they'll be immediately removed. Really? You've got the lowest numbers removals in the history of ICE.

Speaker 3 At the same time, you have historically local immigration.

Speaker 3 So, you know, he was supposed to have a hearing a couple weeks ago, and I asked a couple of congressmen to ask that question again.

Speaker 3 Well, there's a lot of anti-Trump, anti-Holman rhetoric out there that we shouldn't have a mass. deportation operation.
Do you stand by the statements you made numerous times?

Speaker 3 If they don't qualify, they need to be removed. Because you can also help send the message to the American people.
We're doing this deportation operation. It's going to have to be done.

Speaker 3 And you said it. Would you say that again? Of course, him and Ray back to the hearing, never had the hearing.
But

Speaker 3 for the American people,

Speaker 3 here's my biggest issue.

Speaker 3 I read it every day. Racist,

Speaker 3 inhumane to have a mass deportation operation. We just went through four years of historic illegal migration again where nine out of 10 get ordered removal.
We don't have a choice.

Speaker 3 That's the way the law is set up. They lose the chance of going home.

Speaker 2 I mean, we just ended African-American political power, by the way, because of the demographic changes.

Speaker 2 Just basically made it, you know, both parties have paid, especially Democratic Party, a lot of attention to what black voters want because they're a huge part of the Democratic coalition.

Speaker 2 And now that's not true. And so

Speaker 2 it's not, you know, this is a complicated question. Anyone who says, oh, it's just white racism is, what is your average black person in Chicago, native-born, family, been here 300 years?

Speaker 2 What does he think of watching his city overwhelm with illegal aliens?

Speaker 3 You know, exactly what they think. I was up in Chicago last week.
I met with hundreds. I met with black pastors.
Black pastors are upset.

Speaker 2 Well, they should be upset.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they feel like people who are not supposed to be here enter the country legally, which is a crime. I'm going to keep talking about that, are getting massive amounts of care, right?

Speaker 3 Free hotel room, three square meals a day, free medical care.

Speaker 3 And the black community feels left behind because a lot of these people are, you know, know, they could use some of that tax money in Chicago to help them.

Speaker 3 And their taxpayers, they should have their first

Speaker 3 chance to get some of that help.

Speaker 3 But the mayor of Chicago is just, you know, he's ignoring his own community. And I was up there

Speaker 3 just over a week ago and I met with hundreds of people that were up there. And they're suffering.
because of the decisions to take care of these illegal aliens.

Speaker 3 I mean, I saw city transit buses parked, running fuel, as warming buses.

Speaker 3 How about taking care of the homeless people in that city? Let them get on a warming bus.

Speaker 3 But, you know, they'd rather put these illegal aliens in a hotel room at 500 bucks a night in the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City and give them three meals a day and give them free medical care rather than take care of their own people.

Speaker 3 We got homeless vets. You've been to Washington, D.C.
many times,

Speaker 3 less than a mile from the capital. You got homeless vets living in tents.
They don't have a free hotel room. They don't get a hot shower.
They don't get three squares a day.

Speaker 3 They don't get, you know, they don't have access to free medical care. But you get people who are in the country illegally, you get all that stuff.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah. And they also,

Speaker 2 you know, this is a democracy. So we make decisions based on population size.

Speaker 2 And if you dilute the population, you dilute the political power of the people who are born here, very much including black people.

Speaker 2 So really, it's a takeover of

Speaker 2 our government, of our democratic system. And I just want to say it for the third time, it completely disenfranchises black people.

Speaker 2 And they're, you know, black leaders in Congress who supposedly speak for black people, they sold them right out, actually. In fact.

Speaker 3 And the violence in these communities, and we're trying to address the violence. Mayor Adams finally gets it, I think.
And he's, you know, we'll see what he actually does.

Speaker 3 But you got the mayor of Chicago. Chicago, the crime rate is extremely high in Chicago, right? We know the shootings are outrageous.

Speaker 3 And what we're saying to him, President Trump and myself have been very clear. We want to prioritize those illegally in the country that are public safety threats.

Speaker 3 That's what we want to target first because they're the most dangerous to our community, public safety threats and national security threats.

Speaker 3 Why would any elected mayor of a city with a crime rate as high as they have not want public safety threats taken out of their communities, especially if they're here illegally? There's no sense.

Speaker 3 You would think the mayor of Chicago's number one responsibility is the safety of his community. Why not help me take those public safety threats out of the community?

Speaker 3 Our state agents aren't allowed to take a step into Cook County Jail, one of the biggest county jails in the country, where we used to get hundreds of illegally alien criminals out.

Speaker 3 We can't even step foot in that.

Speaker 3 They won't honor an ICE detainer. They must rather release that public safety threat back in the community to reoffend.
And where is he likely to reoffend? The immigrant community where he lives.

Speaker 3 But I don't understand.

Speaker 2 I mean, so when South Carolina tried this in 1861 at Fort Sumter,

Speaker 2 it kicked off a civil war. When Central High School tried this in 1957 in Little Rock, Arkansas, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne.
You can't allow states to ignore federal law.

Speaker 2 I'm trying not to use the F-word here. So how is that not an act of insurrection? I don't understand.

Speaker 2 If a mayor or a governor says, you know, we're going to ignore federal law and there's nothing you can do. You can't come into our facility.

Speaker 2 How about you get a SEAL team and go into the facility? I mean, like, how is that allowed? That is insurrection.

Speaker 2 Am I missing something? I thought this is the way the system worked.

Speaker 3 And that's why I've been out there taking a lot of hate the last three weeks, saying, okay, well.

Speaker 2 You're taking hate from the insurrectionists? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Which I'll wear as a badge of honor. I've been out there saying

Speaker 3 one thing to the mayor of Denver, right?

Speaker 3 To the mayor of Chicago

Speaker 3 and to Governor Pritzker and the rest of them. You cannot help.

Speaker 3 You can choose not to help us. Stand aside because we're going to do it.
However, there's a line you can't cross. If you're going to impede what we're doing, that's a felony.

Speaker 3 If you're going to knowingly harbor and conceal an illegal alien from ICE agents USC 1324 to apply, that's a felony. And we will prosecute.
We're done playing the game.

Speaker 3 There are federal statutes on the books written by Congress, enacted by Congress, signed by a president, said this is a felony to do these things. And we're going to take that seriously.

Speaker 3 And we got a strong AG coming in Pambondi. I think will back me up on this.

Speaker 3 You can help. You can sit aside and watch us do your work for you.
Fine, you do it. But here's the message.
No one's asking you to be immigration officers.

Speaker 3 What we're asking is give us access to the taxpayer-funded jail where you already locked somebody in a jail cell because apparently they're a public safety threat.

Speaker 3 When you're done with them, simply give them to us. And we're removed not only from the community, from the country.

Speaker 3 Because when you don't, and here's what they're going to get, they're going to get exactly what they don't want by taking this stance.

Speaker 3 You don't let me in the jail arrest a bad guy where one agent can arrest a bad guy in the safety and security of a county jail where we know he don't have access to weapons.

Speaker 3 You're going to release him back in the community. You're endangering the community, the immigrant community because most likely to re-offend in that community.

Speaker 3 You're endangering our officers and you're endangering that alien because things could happen when you make an arrest in a public setting. We have access to who knows what weapons, right?

Speaker 3 So what's Tom Homley going to do? We're going to send more agents to the community. We're going to find a guy.
So that means I got to send a whole team to the community to find him.

Speaker 3 We send a team because officer safety concerns. I'm going to send a whole team to find him.
When we find him, he's probably going to be with others. Others are not necessarily an operational priority.

Speaker 3 But guess what? ICE agents aren't going to be told to turn their back in any illegal handling. So we're going to find the bad guy and anybody else around him.

Speaker 3 So by your actions to not let me in that county jail means more agents in your neighborhood, a lot more agents in your neighborhood, and a lot more arrests and many non-priority arrests.

Speaker 3 You want to play the game? We're going to play the game. That's the result you're going to get.

Speaker 3 But I can't believe to this day that any elected governor, if Governor Pritzker says, you got to come through me. Okay, no problem.
We can do that.

Speaker 3 Why would you not want to help remove public safety threats? But this should be no question.

Speaker 3 If you're going to have your opinion on Italy's immigration, we're talking about criminals.

Speaker 2 Well, to the extent that he allows

Speaker 2 officers in his state to violate federal law, Pritzker's a criminal.

Speaker 2 I mean, any governor who willingly flouts federal law, again, this is why we had a civil war in the United States in 1861, because South Carolina did this.

Speaker 2 So I don't know why we would ever put up with that for one second from any governor, a Republican or Democrat.

Speaker 3 President Trump administration will not put up with it. And that's why I've been signing a warning shout out.
This is not going to be tolerated. We won't take action.

Speaker 3 American lives are at stake here. And

Speaker 3 this president... I think has been given a mandate by American people.
Apparently, the results of the election has no influence on many of these people. Look,

Speaker 3 Mayor Adams reached out to me, and I actually went to Mayor Adams. He understands it, and I think he realizes that we're taking it seriously.

Speaker 2 Eric Adams from New York reached out to you. Reached out to me.

Speaker 3 Good for him. I went and went and sat down and met with him.
He believes he should take public safety threats out of his communities, too. He's offering to help us.

Speaker 3 He's offering to let me into Rikers Island Jail. We've been kicked out of Rikers Island Jail for years.

Speaker 3 Again, like County, we used to arrest hundreds of illegal analysis with criminal convictions there.

Speaker 3 Eric Adams says he's going to go as far as writing an executive order to get us back in Rikers Island because he agrees with me that Mary DiBelagio did a lot of harm that affected the public safety in New York City.

Speaker 3 So he's getting a lot of pushback from the city council. I saw him the other day.
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Speaker 3 He also said he would assist me in finding over the 300,000 missing children, which many are going to be in New York City.

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Speaker 2 So let me ask you about Adams.

Speaker 2 I talked to him the other day. He seemed pretty reasonable to me.
I don't agree with him on, you know, a lot. But on the other hand, he didn't seem crazy.

Speaker 2 And my impression is that he was indicted on what seemed like pretty silly charges by the feds because he complained about immigration in New York. I think that's what he thinks happened.

Speaker 2 Do you think that's possible?

Speaker 3 I absolutely do. Yes.
And when I sat down with him, it was all about public state today. The other stuff never came up.

Speaker 3 The cop at him came out. And look, I've been calling him out for two years, saying he forgot what it's like to be a cop and became a politician.
He's not helping with this crisis. I agree.

Speaker 3 But when he reached out to me, I sat down with him.

Speaker 3 I saw the, first time ever, I saw the cop, the career cop come out and him, look, this is, this is, this is, this shouldn't be controversial at all, Mr. Omega.
I'm not working with you on this.

Speaker 3 He goes,

Speaker 3 we're not going to be immigration officers. I'm not going to help you round up illegal aliens.

Speaker 3 I said,

Speaker 3 I don't want to be an immigration officer. I want cops to work with cops to remove public safety threats.
He gets it. And

Speaker 3 he says he's going to take some executive actions. So I hope he does because that's going to make New York City much safer, not only for the community, but for my officers.

Speaker 3 My biggest threat is you're going to forces in the community to arrest bad guys when we could arrest them in a safety and security jail. That puts our guys at grave risk.
So

Speaker 3 same with the Board of Patrol agents. The criminal cartel is going to be put out of business by President Trump, which means the violence is going to rise on the southern border.

Speaker 2 Well, that's right. And it's also, if you think about it, and I know you have thought about it,

Speaker 2 I think it's safer for everyone to have your guys arresting illegals in the Sonoran Desert than in Times Square. I mean, that's scary in a crowded city.
Right.

Speaker 3 And these men and women, they're going to put their lives online every day. And

Speaker 3 again, I can't believe any politician, left, right, middle, would want to put these officers at risk when there was a better way to do this.

Speaker 3 When I first started in this game back in the 1980s, I never heard a word of sanctuary city. We got in every county, Jay.
Everybody worked. I can't believe we're at the time now.

Speaker 3 My father was a cop. My grandfather was a cop.

Speaker 3 My grandfather was a cop. I knew I was going to be a cop.

Speaker 2 Where were the cops?

Speaker 3 In upstate New York. So

Speaker 3 in my day, cops were respected. Police officers were respected.
Now

Speaker 3 fast forward now. And these politicians, if you enforce the law, all of a sudden you become the bad guy.

Speaker 3 And if you break the law, you're the victim. That's truly the way it is in some of these cities.

Speaker 2 It's weird that Republicans put up with that acts of insurrection. I mean, they've been yammering about the insurrection of January 6th, but a Sanctuary City is a bold, unequivocal

Speaker 2 move toward insurrection. You're saying, I'm not obeying federal law.

Speaker 2 And no one did anything about it. They made fun of them on Fox News, but they didn't send the 101st Airborne.
I don't understand why.

Speaker 3 President Trump's going to take our stance. I think he'll take your ⁇ one of the things, take their federal funding away.

Speaker 3 I think that's going to bring a lot of people to the table because they need that money.

Speaker 3 And plus, I think it gets down to if they impede, if they know any harbor i think we need to you know prosecute members and you know i said this back i said this when i was ice director that they need to be held accountable and doj needs to look at criminal prosecution of course the media went crazy homan's calling to lock up politicians what i called for is doj if i'm not an attorney but i as an agent many years ago i have arrested united states citizens for knowingly harboring, concealing an illegal alien in their home.

Speaker 3 I arrested a U.S. citizen for harboring, concealing, illegal alien in the place of business.
If I can arrest a U.S.

Speaker 3 citizen for violating those crimes, why can't I arrest the mayor or a governor who's given his staff explicit instructions to impede us and to hide from us?

Speaker 3 I mean, the mayor Adams came around the city. He would have a police force at the city boundaries preventing us from coming in, right? That was one of the comments he made.

Speaker 3 Now he's walked in back because he made a statement he's willing to go to jail. And I responded, well, I'm willing to put you in jail if that's what it comes to.

Speaker 3 I'm not looking for a fight fight with these people, but I'm not going to run away from one either. We're going to enforce this law.
We're going to do what the American people wants us to do.

Speaker 3 We're going to enforce the law. We're going to run this deportation operation.
If you don't want to help,

Speaker 3 get the hell out of the way. But if you impede us,

Speaker 3 then

Speaker 3 we need to prosecute these people and send a message. This is no longer acceptable to anybody.
It should never have been acceptable, but under the Trump administration, we're not playing that game.

Speaker 2 Because it's not even about, on some level, immigration. It's about holding the country together.

Speaker 2 If parts of the country decide we're just not following the federal laws because we don't feel like it, then how is it a country?

Speaker 3 Lake and Riley would be alive today if we had a better relationship in New York City. She was arrested.

Speaker 3 A killer was arrested in New York City for injury to the child. If we had the relationship we used to have, they would have turned him over to ICE.

Speaker 3 ICE would have detained him and removed him.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But instead, he went to Georgia and killed him. Murdered a girl.
And, you know, if

Speaker 3 President Trump was president, he wouldn't even be in the United States. He'd be in Mexico and the Remain in Mexico program would have never been released into the United States.

Speaker 3 Giving a free hotel, giving a monthly stipend for food and expenses.

Speaker 2 Free cell phone, airplane tickets.

Speaker 3 It's just incredible where we're at today, but I got full confidence in myself and in President Trump.

Speaker 3 And I'm working very close with Steve Miller, brilliant, architect of the most successful border policy this country ever had.

Speaker 2 What's his position going to be?

Speaker 3 He's the deputy chief of staff. Yep.

Speaker 3 I'm a senior advisor to the president. Term Borders are not my term, but that's what they're nicknamed it.

Speaker 3 But I can guarantee you, Tucker, and to your listeners, this Border Czar is going to do a hell of a lot better than the last Border Czar.

Speaker 3 I've actually, I've already been to Border three times and I'm not even in office yet.

Speaker 2 I cannot resist asking you,

Speaker 2 what are these drones in New Jersey?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I've talked to people in the intelligence community.
Some think it's

Speaker 3 some are from an Iranian

Speaker 3 ship, but I haven't got access to intelligence reports. I know one thing.

Speaker 3 Maybe

Speaker 3 the news is right. Maybe they're surveilling drill, maybe they're all legal.
I just find it hard to believe. I can't believe this administration has taken action on it.

Speaker 3 I guarantee you, if President Trump was sitting there over office, every one of them would have blown out the sky by now.

Speaker 3 I don't know factually because I don't see the intelligence reports. I'm not in yet, but

Speaker 3 I find it highly suspicious that the administration is saying they're all legal and lawful and that they pose no harm to the communities. I don't buy it.

Speaker 2 Do you think that other members of the incoming Trump administration have been briefed on what the current administration thinks they are?

Speaker 3 I do not know. I'm hoping they have.
I mean, they should have, but I don't know. I just saw one congressman from New Jersey said he got information from

Speaker 3 Iranian summit. Yes, I know that.
And I've also talked to friends in the intelligence community that off the record taught the same thing, but I have no direct knowledge of it.

Speaker 2 That's bizarre.

Speaker 3 But I guarantee you, within a few days of Trump getting to the White House, we're going to find out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that's I believe that I believe that to be true.

Speaker 2 So of the so you've described, I think, really well the problem

Speaker 2 and how you plan to secure the border. The deportations,

Speaker 2 that was the second goal that you had of three.

Speaker 2 How many of those 12 million do you think are eligible, can be deported?

Speaker 3 Well, we know there's right now we got over 1.7 million with final orders of removal, already been ordered removed that haven't been removed.

Speaker 2 Okay, so that's just a gimme. That's easy.

Speaker 3 We got 700,000, 780,000 ill-ego aliens with criminal convictions. They're going to be priority one.

Speaker 3 Then we got, you know, like I said, we got criminals, national security threats, and fugitives.

Speaker 3 These are the ones I talked at one point, 1.7, I think the last number was, of people who had due process, a great taxpayer expense order removed. They need to go.
We'll find them.

Speaker 3 Then we take the rest. I mean, everybody says, how many ill-go aliens can you remove in a year? I don't know.

Speaker 3 I'll find out when I get into office. How many positions do I have? What does my money look like? How much money do I have to buy beds? Because we need detention beds.
People don't understand.

Speaker 3 You don't arrest somebody and just deport them that day. We have to detain them and work out arrangements with their home country to get travel documents.

Speaker 3 They have to accept that, yeah, they're a national of ours. And there's a process we go through anywhere from a few days to a few weeks.
So we have to detain these people.

Speaker 3 So how many beds can I fortify by? Because if I don't have beds, it's going to be hard to do this.

Speaker 3 How much money do I have with transportation contracts, whether over the ground or in the air? And

Speaker 3 can other agencies be involved? I know

Speaker 3 I specifically have requested that DOD be involved.

Speaker 3 They can do non-enforcement duty. What that does is, so the officers wearing a badge and gun with Immigration Authority, they shouldn't be driving a bus.

Speaker 3 They shouldn't be building infrastructure on the southwest border south side of facilities. They shouldn't be doing the intelligence.
They shouldn't be doing the targeting, right?

Speaker 3 As much non-enforcement work as possible, contract that out, have DOD do a lot of it, and that releases those badges and guns to the street where they're really needed.

Speaker 3 So what other agencies are involved? Is DOD going to be a part of this to take off the non-enforcement duties off our our shoulders? So

Speaker 3 hopefully I'll find out really fast what we have. I know right now, my sources at ICE,

Speaker 3 they're already $300 million in the hole.

Speaker 3 So I'm hoping Congress will provide us with huge funding through the conciliation process. That's my hopes.
And I know I talked to Lindsey Graham yesterday.

Speaker 2 Or deportation.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Lindsey Graham yesterday said he's working on

Speaker 3 an astronomical bill. It would be more money we've ever seen before.
I hope that's true.

Speaker 3 I just don't want to be held up in this tax bill because that's going to take six or eight months and it gets watered down by the time we get it and it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 Have you, I mean, is there some legal way to designate Americans just for a temporary period as Ukrainians and just tell the Congress that money is going to Ukrainians?

Speaker 2 Aaron Powell, well that'd be great. That would expedite it, don't you think? Here's $200 billion.

Speaker 3 I'm spending money defending the Ukrainian border, but it would be nice if they gave us just a piece of that action because they got a lot of money.

Speaker 3 I'm hoping hoping and praying that this is going to be different in the first Trump administration when he had the Senate and the House the first two years.

Speaker 3 I'm hoping they come to the table and I'll help this president succeed. So funding is paramount.
We're only going to be as successful as the funding we're given to get this job done.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I can, I'm no expert, but I know members of Congress, most of them, and I know that they only respond to pain, unfortunately. And you just haven't threatened them and you're going to lose your seat.

Speaker 2 And we're going to call you out by name and make you unpopular in your state and your career will be over unless you obey immediately.

Speaker 2 Normal people, you don't, you can reason with normal people, and love motivates people. I mean, I doubt like in your house, you and your wife are threatening each other.

Speaker 2 You probably love each other, saying nice things to each other. But members of Congress are not normal people, and you really just have to, you know, grab them by the face and say, do this or suffer.

Speaker 2 And they will respond to that. So I hope you will do that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's a lot of media outlets right now. I think they're trying to

Speaker 3 shame us saying how expensive this operation is going to be.

Speaker 3 It's just incredible.

Speaker 2 More expensive than letting in 12 million people and giving themselves a lot of free vouchers and free medical care.

Speaker 3 And I express destroying our hospitals. First of all, what price do you put on national security? What price do you put on Lake and Riley's life and so many other little girls?

Speaker 3 It's going to be a cost savings for American people. Right now, we're spending billions of dollars on free airline tickets, free hotel room,

Speaker 3 not even mentioning the cost of schools and trauma centers and hospitals and social services in perpetuity.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's going to be expensive operations.

Speaker 2 It's destroyed rural America. I mean, it's flat out.

Speaker 3 I live there. It's going to be expensive right out of the gate, but in the long run, we're going to save American taxpayers billions of dollars by getting this country back to the rule of law.

Speaker 2 Aaron Powell, what's the point of a government except to ensure safety and tranquility for its people?

Speaker 2 I mean, what is the point other than to obviously kick out Assad and secure the borders of Ukraine, which are the top priorities, I think, listed in the Constitution.

Speaker 2 But after that, you know, taking care of your own people seems to be important also.

Speaker 3 Well, that's why President Trump won this election.

Speaker 2 He's put America.

Speaker 3 He's put America first. That's why I came.
Look, this is the second time I came back from retirement

Speaker 3 to serve this president because, like I said, I've been doing this a long time, and I'm at the point now where I wake up every day pissed off.

Speaker 3 The first day I woke up with a smile on my face was the day after the election because I knew we can fix this. I knew by fixing it, you save lives.
Secure borders save lives. Yes.

Speaker 3 Even when you get 100% of the agents on the line doing their job, rather than changing diapers, making baby baby form, making hospital runs, more fentanyl sees, which means less fentanyl deaths.

Speaker 3 Less people, less gotaways, which means less sex trafficking on women, children, less known aspects of terrorists. Even the wall saves lives.
And people say, Trump's vanity wall.

Speaker 3 No, that's America's wall, first of all. Every place they build a border barrier, illegal immigration reduced, illegal drug flow reduced.

Speaker 3 What people don't want to talk about is how many lives it saves.

Speaker 3 The most vulnerable of those that come to the country, the women and children, can't get over that wall, which means means they're going to a place where there's not a wall.

Speaker 3 And what's waiting on them?

Speaker 3 The men and women wearing that green uniform, the finest 1% this country has, who are going to take care of their medical needs first because they're in a lot of bad shape when they get there.

Speaker 3 Men and women in Borvicho save thousands of lives every year. Of course, the left wants to come, you know, haters and stormtroopers.

Speaker 3 And they want to, you know,

Speaker 3 slander the men of the horse patrol for what they did. And still no apology to this day.
Men and women in Borvicho save a lot of lives. Borwal saves lives.

Speaker 3 And under the Trump administration, the number of deaths were very, very low.

Speaker 3 Both Americans and illegal aliens. Under Joe Biden, we're just, I think we're just short of 4,000 aliens have died across the border.

Speaker 3 While you and I are talking right now, while you and I are having this discussion, women are being raped and members of the cartels as part of the crossing through that border.

Speaker 3 A child is going to die today.

Speaker 3 Either drown in a river or be lost in the desert or abandoned by these cartels.

Speaker 3 They think the government's getting close to them. They'll dump people and save their own skin and put these, look how many children have been abandoned.
Borgroll's found a lot of them.

Speaker 3 I guarantee you, Borg will find all of them. There's some toddlers they're going to find someday.

Speaker 2 So it's so evil.

Speaker 2 I mean, I know that in El Salvador, when MS-13 ran the country before Bukele, there was a religious component, a kind of voodoo witchcraft component to MS-13 where they were worshiping the devil, I mean, openly.

Speaker 2 It's a component of the cartels. You see it in Mexico as well, all through Latin America.
Is that...

Speaker 2 Have you come across that?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 they worship death.

Speaker 2 Like formally worship it.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 There's,

Speaker 3 I won't call them religious.

Speaker 3 Some places, even the Texas DPS, have found some of these places where the cartels were operating. They got...
you know, statues,

Speaker 3 statutes there and memorabile worshiping death as a consequence of not allowing them to do their business.

Speaker 2 Right. And these are from cultures that have practiced human sacrifice for thousands of years.

Speaker 3 I got a video on my phone

Speaker 3 showing a member of the cartel skinning a man alive,

Speaker 3 skinning him alive on video to send a message to anybody.

Speaker 3 If you push back on the cartels, if you snitch on the cartels, they're not going to just kill you. They're going to make you suffer immensely.

Speaker 3 I got sent this video by some of the intelligence community, and I'm a pretty tough guy, but I can't watch the whole video.

Speaker 2 No, of course not.

Speaker 3 When they skinned somebody alive and the pain that man went through, this is what they do. That's why MS-13,

Speaker 3 they don't just shoot somebody. They hack them up.
Me and President Trump, remember when we did Operation Matador in Long Island, we arrested just short of 500 gang members and a lot of MS-13.

Speaker 3 During the press conference, President Trump referred to these people as animals. And of course, Nancy Polish arrests people in nuts.

Speaker 3 These are people you refer to as animals.

Speaker 3 Then they came to me and I said, Well, I said, I don't know what President Trump has against animals, but animals kill to survive. MS-13 kills with pleasure.
They're much worse than animals.

Speaker 2 Well, it's witchcraft, it's human sacrifice. And they've, I mean, again, they're from cultures that have practiced it for, well, since the beginning of recorded history.
So

Speaker 3 Turning to Agua and the rest of them,

Speaker 3 they're on notice. Their days of

Speaker 3 coming over here and

Speaker 3 committing crimes and victimizing this country over. And a lot of people are pushing back and say, well, you can't remove them to Venezuela.
They're going to be removed.

Speaker 3 And if Venezuela won't take them, we'll send someplace else, but they're not staying here. So Twin Day I would have done a lot of harm in this country, as you know.

Speaker 3 The rape, murder, little girls, and

Speaker 3 the theft and the organized crime they've instilled in major cities of this country.

Speaker 3 President Trump put them on notice. Our gang is bigger than their gang.

Speaker 3 I hope so. We'll take them out of business.

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Speaker 2 I remember in the first Trump administration, the U.S. military refused, flat-out refused, generals refused to secure the border.

Speaker 2 What do you think of that?

Speaker 3 It's a shame. I mean, DODs helped a lot of administrations.
They helped the Obama administration. They helped the Clinton administration.

Speaker 2 What's the point of sending them a trillion and a half dollars every year? Is there a reason that we do that?

Speaker 3 Well, I think we've proven that the southwest border is a a huge national security vulnerability. I think it's a perfect play for the military to be.

Speaker 2 Yeah, bigger than Syria, I would say.

Speaker 3 It's more of a national security vulnerability than Ukraine or Syria or anyplace else. So I think President Trump's not going to take no for an answer.
He is a president of the United States.

Speaker 3 He's going to make this work. And DOD will be a part of this operation.
We need them. We can make a bigger impact if they can.

Speaker 3 do some of the things that don't require a badge and gun for us and that puts more badging guns on the street than that's bad guys.

Speaker 3 They're an imperative part of this operation. Are there other agencies? Well, we need help from, you know, I'd like to see the U.S.
Marshals be a part of that, the FBI be a part of it.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 I've gotten, I've actually shut down my LinkedIn account because I've gotten thousands of thousands retired board patrol agents, retired ICE agents, retired police officers, retired military, all want to come back and help this operation.

Speaker 3 And I'm hoping we can rehire a lot of these people, rehire them and do it.

Speaker 3 Especially the retired board patrol agents and ICE agents, they know the Fourth Amendment. They know what they can do and don't do.
A lot of them speak Spanish.

Speaker 3 They know how to use the processing systems. They know the game.
They're good at it.

Speaker 3 So one of the first things I'm going to be working on is bringing a lot of these retired agents back and let them help us do this job. They're educated in immigration enforcement.

Speaker 3 They hit the ground running.

Speaker 2 I should have asked you at the outset, but of the 12 million that you described who came here illegally under Biden, where were they from, roughly?

Speaker 3 181 different countries.

Speaker 3 So how does, I mean, ask that's almost every country in the world. Think about it.

Speaker 2 I think there were what, 199, you know.

Speaker 2 So, there were none from Vanitou

Speaker 2 or Seychelles, but the rest came. But how was the breakdown? Like, you think of illegal immigration.
Well, when I was a kid, it was from Mexico. I don't think it is anymore.

Speaker 2 Then it was Central America. Then it was South America.
Roughly, what was the breakdown? Can you?

Speaker 3 Mexicans still read, or national Mexico still lead.

Speaker 3 Oh, really?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 El Salvador, Guadalajaran, Honduras, close second. I mean, those four countries make up a majority.
But what concerns me is the country that we never had much activity from. Yes.

Speaker 3 You know, 46,000 Chinese.

Speaker 2 What's that?

Speaker 3 It scares the hell out of me because a lot of them are military-age males. 46,000 military-age males don't leave China without the coordination, approval of the Chinese government.

Speaker 3 That just don't happen. Russians, we got over, I think last look I have 27,000 Russians.

Speaker 3 People from Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq.

Speaker 2 Big Africa, too.

Speaker 3 It's just.

Speaker 2 How many from Africa do you think?

Speaker 3 I don't have that on the top of my head. But

Speaker 3 special interest

Speaker 3 countries,

Speaker 3 numbers like we've never seen before. And we can't properly vet them.
That's one thing I've been screaming about two years. Secretary Mararkas gets up there and says they're all properly vetted.

Speaker 3 Vetted against what? Because we don't have criminal data from El Salvador or Turkey or Syria. Do you think China is going to give us any national security data on their people or Russia?

Speaker 3 So you vet them against NCIC, which we have. So

Speaker 3 unless you've been convicted or arrested in this country before and your fingerprints were taken, you're going to come back clean because we don't have access to most countries' criminal data.

Speaker 3 A lot of these countries don't have criminal data, right? You think Haiti has an NCIC? Absolutely don't. So they say they vet them, and they don't vet them properly.

Speaker 3 And when it comes to terrorist vetting, beyond the criminal vetting, how about terrorist vetting? You and I both know most terrorists in this world aren't in any database.

Speaker 3 Unless they were part of a T3 operation or caught on chatter or encountered on a battlefield by a soldier and biometrics were taken,

Speaker 3 we don't know who they are, where they're at. And so even though they say they vet them through these terrorist databases, it don't really mean a lot.

Speaker 3 But here's one thing that has been talked about a lot.

Speaker 3 And I've talked to several whistleblowers in the Board Patrol.

Speaker 3 So they arrested somebody from one of these countries. They vet them through the Bureau.

Speaker 3 But there have been such a push by this administration, process quick, release quick, because there's nowhere we're crawling. There's nothing to see here.
Board of Secure.

Speaker 3 They process and release so quickly, sometimes the vetting came back after they release, and they were hot. At least two occasions this has happened.
I actually found one later on.

Speaker 2 They're hot, meaning what?

Speaker 3 They've got

Speaker 3 a positive hit on the terrorist database,

Speaker 3 person of interest.

Speaker 3 So that's going to change. I mean, we have to detain these people.
And the Trump administration would end catch and release.

Speaker 3 either you're going to be sent back to mexico or we detain you uh the only the only thing that i'm concerned with is the zabadas supreme court ruling there's a ruling called zabadas versus us that says you can only hold somebody up to six months

Speaker 3 for a significant significant likelihood of removal so if we have a country that absolutely will not take them back at the end of six months we got a decision to make Either we remove them to a cooperating third country or we have to release them unless we can prove

Speaker 2 more. We want to let Mexico deal with it.

Speaker 3 That's part of it. Let the Claudia lady deal with it.
That's part of the plan. And we're hoping to do that.

Speaker 3 But the Zabada ruling is terrible, and we're hoping that now we've got a better Supreme Court. That needs to be relitigated.
To say we can only hold somebody for six months

Speaker 3 and they're a significant public safety threat,

Speaker 3 just because this country says, no, we don't want them, there's got to be a better way.

Speaker 2 I wonder if the 47,000 Chinese that you mentioned,

Speaker 2 that's kind of what Fidel Castro did in 1980 with the Mario Boatlift, just like empty the prisons and the mental hospitals. Why wouldn't they do that?

Speaker 3 Oh, they have. Venezuela has.

Speaker 2 Venezuela has. Yes.

Speaker 2 But has China, do you think?

Speaker 3 I don't think so. I think China, these people came here for a purpose.

Speaker 3 As you know, you've done a lot of reporting.

Speaker 3 They got land around military bases. They're setting up shadow business here.

Speaker 3 I think China, between all these people they sent, plus continuing to create the precursors that make fentanyl, they're trying to destroy this country. That's my personal opinion.

Speaker 2 Well, they're selling drugs all over the country. They're selling drugs all over the state of Maine.
Maine.

Speaker 3 Chinese national. And what has the Biden administration done to China about creating these fentanyls that they sell to cartels in Mexico?

Speaker 3 What have they done about the cartels? Nothing. President Trump's going, though.

Speaker 2 No, because fentanyl's killed the exact Americans that Biden hates and is always attacking.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, it's committed genocide against his enemies, so

Speaker 2 he doesn't seem against it at all.

Speaker 2 It's all very dark. I have to wonder, you said you used the phrase military-age males.

Speaker 2 Because this was so coordinated by these

Speaker 2 NGOs, Catholic charities,

Speaker 2 UN,

Speaker 2 and others,

Speaker 2 you have to kind of wonder, like, is there some military purpose to this invasion? Have you wondered that?

Speaker 3 I've wondered every day.

Speaker 3 I I can't wait to get in power to start drilling down on these files. Who are these people? Who'd you release? What kind of vetting did you do? Did you take

Speaker 3 biographic data?

Speaker 2 Yeah, high testosterone foreigners? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, why have, I mean,

Speaker 2 I don't want to be paranoid, but.

Speaker 3 But it's been very, you know,

Speaker 3 they don't talk about it. And it's very, you know,

Speaker 3 but when we get in power, we're going to have to pull all those records.

Speaker 3 You know, like that's over 300,000 missing children. We've got to pull those records from HHS.

Speaker 2 Okay, so what, I'm sorry, I can't tell you.

Speaker 3 I've been told by whistleblowing. What is that?

Speaker 2 300,000 missing children. That's something else I've read reference to.

Speaker 3 Well, look, over half a million children have been trafficking in this country.

Speaker 3 And they get turned over to custody of HHS, Office of Refugee Resettlement, who finds sponsors and release them to sponsors.

Speaker 3 I've talked to several whistleblowers who say they weren't even fingerprinting the sponsors on many occasions and not doing proper vetting.

Speaker 3 We have a whistleblower who testified in front of Congress now three times

Speaker 3 that a lot of these children seem to be victims of trafficking. They're released to unvetted sponsors, and many children will be released to one sponsor.

Speaker 3 The One Wilson Blower said there was 11 young girls released to one male, single male.

Speaker 3 Maybe it's all innocent. Maybe it's not.

Speaker 2 Pretty innocent. That's sick.

Speaker 3 No. And look, the CBP1 app, they shut that down because of massive fraud.
One of the insiders in CBP told me, for example, one dead man

Speaker 3 sponsored over 1,600 people. Been dead for years.
Massive fraud, massive trafficking involved. And when they talked about opening CBP, you want to have to do that.

Speaker 3 I said at the time, before they even implement it, if you do this, it's going to create a huge trafficking network. Or

Speaker 3 if you're from Cuba,

Speaker 3 Nicaragua, Haiti, Venezuela, you want to come to the United States under this CHNV program,

Speaker 3 you just got to find a sponsor who wants to take care of you. How many sick pedophiles would be willing to sponsor anybody from one of those four countries to come and live in the United States?

Speaker 3 They have to get here, you own them. All you got to do is, you know, you're their official sponsor.
Without you, they can't stay.

Speaker 3 And what are these sick sponsors, not all of them, but many of these are going to be predators and sick people. What are they going to do to these people who are trying to stay in this country?

Speaker 3 It's a huge human trafficking issue. I guarantee you.

Speaker 2 And by human trafficking, is it mostly for prostitution?

Speaker 3 Prostitution or forced labor, mainly, those two things.

Speaker 2 So if you go to any construction site in the United States, big construction site, they're building a data center or a mall.

Speaker 2 I know this because I know a guy in the business who just told me this.

Speaker 2 Anyone in the United States, there will be child prostitutes there from Latin America brought in by the cartels for the guys on the cruise.

Speaker 2 And I said, does everyone know this?

Speaker 2 Everyone knows it. I mean, it's just a fact.
Every big construction site in the United States, does anyone ever do anything about it? No. No one ever does anything about it.

Speaker 3 Wait till January 21st.

Speaker 2 I don't understand that, though.

Speaker 2 If everyone in the building trades knows that,

Speaker 2 how can law enforcement ignore it?

Speaker 3 We're not going to start in June for 23.

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 3 But I can tell you, look,

Speaker 3 of the over 300,000 this government lost track of, I guarantee you, as I say right today,

Speaker 3 we'll find many in forced labor.

Speaker 3 We'll find many in forced sex trafficking. That's the sad thing.
We won't find them.

Speaker 3 So that's why President Trump's saying, seriously, we got to save, especially we got to save these women and children that are put in this position. The immigration consequences will still come.

Speaker 3 But first, we got to save and get these kids. As far as the kids, over 300,000, we got to save these kids.
A lot of them are living life hell every day. And I guarantee you we're going to find, well,

Speaker 3 HSI has already found some of these children in meat packing plants, cleaning up entrails on a midnight shift.

Speaker 3 We're going to find some living with predophiles. We're going to find some are in sex slavery.
Some are going to be dead. But we've got to find these children.

Speaker 3 The president made that a third rail of priorities. And it's something that needs to be done.

Speaker 3 This This administration stopped the DNA testing. They stopped the proper vetting.
Under the Trump administration, we were having the same problem in the beginning. We did DNA testing.

Speaker 3 You weren't a family unless DNA testing showed you're a family. And we did vetting.
We didn't just vet the sponsor fully.

Speaker 3 We vetted everybody in their household to make sure there wasn't a pedophile living in that house, make sure there wasn't someone arrested with domestic violence in that house.

Speaker 3 This administration stopped all that because Becerra, the secretary of HHS, he gets on stage and brags. And I saw him on stage bragging, how quick we release these kids from government custody.

Speaker 3 We got a machine here.

Speaker 3 It's like the Ford plan. We get them in and out of here.
Yeah, because you stopped the proper vetting. You stopped the DNA testing.
And God help you for what you did to these children.

Speaker 3 Because a lot of these children are living a life of hell every day. So we got to find these kids.

Speaker 2 It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 So last question. I'm just interested in why you're doing this.
So you did it for 40 years.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 1984, 40 years.

Speaker 2 And then you go into the private sector and you're not retired, but you get to do kind of what you want to do and make a real wage after working for the government all these years.

Speaker 2 And this problem is just so enormous.

Speaker 2 And the bureaucracy is so

Speaker 2 complex and hard to fight. And they always win in the end.
Why would you take this job?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 because I love my country, first of all.

Speaker 3 we made more progress on the southern board ever before in the first Trump administration. I was vice director.

Speaker 3 I'm taking an 82% pay cut.

Speaker 2 Oh, I bet.

Speaker 3 And I'm going back to a government paycheck. And thank God my wife supports me.

Speaker 3 She said, if I don't take the job, she's going to divorce me because she doesn't want to see me waking up every day, mad at the world because I didn't come back.

Speaker 2 So your wife's not a liberal?

Speaker 3 No, she's not.

Speaker 3 You know, I say this many times because of things I've seen in my career. I mean, I stood in the back of a tractor trailer.
I grew up in a town of 2,500 people.

Speaker 3 Either you milk cows or you're a logger or you worked at Fort Drump. It's only three things you did where I grew up.

Speaker 3 So I grew up in a town of 2,500. I fasted forward.

Speaker 3 I'm standing in the back of the tractor trailer with 19 dead people at my feet. that baked to death in the back of that tractor trailer, including a five-year-old little boy

Speaker 3 who suffocated to death. And on top of him was his father who was trying to protect him.

Speaker 3 During that investigation, they said that little boy begged his father not to let him die because he didn't want to see his mom again.

Speaker 3 Begged over and over again.

Speaker 3 Here's a five-year-old little boy who knew he was dying and asked his dad for help.

Speaker 3 No. And his dad, you know, his dad can't help him, right?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 I've talked to little girls as young as nine that were raped multiple times by members of the cartel. Not once, numerous times.

Speaker 3 Grown men crawled upon this little girl, took everything innocent and pure from her. Her life would never be the same.
Look in her eyes. There wasn't life in her eyes.

Speaker 3 It's just little girls devastated for life.

Speaker 3 And this happens every day. When they unsecured the border on purpose, I wrote an opportunity to Fox News and I says, if Joe Biden wins the presidency, we lose the border.

Speaker 3 And when you lose the border, trafficking of sex trafficking will skyrocket.

Speaker 3 Child deaths will skyrocket, migrant deaths will skyrocket, American deaths will skyrocket from drugs coming across that border. I wake up every day pissed off for four years.
So,

Speaker 3 and I've been on numerous networks complaining about it. So when President Trump calls me up, says, you've been complaining about for four years.
You want to come fix it? How do you say no?

Speaker 3 First of all, you don't say no to the President of the United States. And second of all,

Speaker 3 I won't say no to secure. I love this country.
I want to save some lives. Secure borders save lives.
So I'm going to come back and do what I can.

Speaker 3 I guarantee you what we're going to do is going to save migrant lives. It's going to save American lives.
It's going to protect our national security.

Speaker 3 That's why I'm coming back. Not for the pay.
I can tell you that. I'm coming back because

Speaker 3 after three and a half decades doing this job, do you understand it? Do you understand the tragedies that happen around it? The more secure that border is, the more lives we save. So I can rest,

Speaker 3 when I've retired for the third time, I can say,

Speaker 3 I did my part to save some lives. And maybe less children are being exploited and women are being exploited by these cartels.
And

Speaker 3 my number one goal is seeing these cartels wipe off the face of the earth. And I think President Trump's the guy to do it.

Speaker 2 Of everyone appointed, I think you've got the best shot of winning because you know exactly what you want to do.

Speaker 2 Tom, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 Appreciate it. Thank you.

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