Jimmy Dore: Trump’s MSG Rally, WaPo Refusing to Endorse Kamala, & Why Trump Winning Is Essential

But weren't you surprised that Jim Gaffigan going after the Democrats at the L. Smith dinner? Because he's got Trump derangement syndrome, and I couldn't believe the shit he was saying.
Really? You remember? Do you remember the jokes he did? He goes, the media and the Democrats say that democracy's on the ballot, and they have to protect it. And they had to protect it so much, they did a coup.
And I was like, fucking Jim Gaffigan. And he's not for i have no no he's trump derangements in fact i used to you know kind of sub i so i know him and um he never would talk about politics because he wants to have the biggest audience and then but trump he can't i can't hold bite my tongue i've got to say something you know know? And I was like, you know, the time to say something

was when Barack Obama was ruling as a neocon,

a tool of Wall Street.

And that's what made workers desperate enough

to vote for Donald Trump.

That's when you should have said something

when the Democratic Party stopped being Democrats.

But now you're going to say something.

You're upset at the symptom instead of the disease. At the result of what you allowed.
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Here's the episode. So that was actually something I thought a lot about last night at the fascist rally.
It was so at um it was so huge and i know you know trump is always talking about his crowd size and you know there's a debate about it but last night there was no debate i mean it wasn't it was crazy it just midtown was just like a mass of people yeah it was like time square and near see yeah i was there i was in i was in manhattan yesterday i saw it yeah i was on was on my way to some kind of peace rally or something in the valley hosted by Scott Ritter. Judge Napolitano was there.

Oh, I love Judge Napolitano.

So the crowd was just so overwhelming yesterday that I did ask myself, like, I think Trump's going to win just objectively.

I want him to win, but I think he's going to win.

But then I thought if I were the Democrats, I would pause and ask, like, what is this? It's not just that, you know, half the country's evil. Maybe there's more to it.
Does anyone ever stop? I mean, I try and understand why do people love Obama? Why do they love Biden? I mean, I do try to wonder. I mean, I think you should.
They're Americans, right? I understand why people liked Obama or loved him. Me too.
He made me feel good when he spoke. Of course.
Even though I was aware of the things he was doing, when he gave his speech, I'm like, I feel a little bit better. You know, he was really good at that.
100% and every American's like, you know, slavery really was bad. And, you know, there are the disparities between black and white in here.
Like all these white people voted for a black president. black president maybe we're gonna move beyond that maybe we could stop talking about race and start talking about economics that's what i okay that's what i thought just personally not that i'm a race guilt guy i'm not but i would like to have a conversation about something real like economics and war that's exactly where i'm at and that's uh so i had this guy on michael Parenti's son, Christian Parenti, wrote this paper recently.
And it was about the birth of wokeness. Like some people think, you know, it started five minutes ago.
Some people think it started 20 years ago. He said it started after World War II.
And it was the coming together of the NGOs, like the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation with the intelligence community. And what they did, like they didn't have a problem when Martin Luther King wanted to integrate lunch counters because that didn't cost them anything, you know? But when he shifted against the Vietnam War and then he did a poor people's march on Washington, D.C.
He didn't do a black people's march. Right.
He did a poor people's march. And that's, and of course, you know, they killed him when he was supporting a sanitation strike, right? So it was the economics.
And so it's been the goal of the NGOs and the intelligence community to decouple social movements from the class analysis and the class and the economics and just push it all into culture. And that's been forever.
And I'm like, you know, I mean, they, they, they, they, they, it's like anti-war in the sixties, they used to be regular people buttoned down. Right.
And then all of a sudden it was all hippies and the smelly people.

Charles Manson. That's right.
Yeah. And so that's, I mean, that's not, and now it's led up to this.
And I sniffed this out about the trans issue, right? Because everybody was on board with gay rights. Everybody, you know, they went in the 90s.
They used to be second class citizens and now they're not. Right.
And but so then they had to in.

And I saw that the head of that Fink, the head of the BlackRock.

Larry Fink.

I saw him giving this spam like, oh, that's what this is.

He was Larry Fink is a trans rights activist now. Oh, all those.

I'm like this son of a bitch is so he's out there raping the planet and screwing over workers and the middle class. And so he gets to wrap himself in this patina of virtue by saying, I'm for trans rights and we have to force it down people's throat.
I mean, basically, I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said. And that's when I knew what was happening, because this is not a grassroots.
This didn't come from the grassroots up. And this is something that even turns the gay community against each other.
So this is all about divide and conquer. And it's been about.
So that's what's that's what wokeness is about. It's about divide and conquer.
And it's not didn't just start. It's been going on since World War Two.
And the last thing they want you to do is have a class analysis. And that's what.
So why is it the voted for bernie sanders then voted for donald trump right there's a class analysis that would go along with that michael moore of all people in 2016 i don't know if you ever saw there's a video of him giving that speech about why do you think that these people aren't all racist these people are these are people who voted for barack obama twice these are people who voted for bernie sanders why are they uh attracted to donald trump because he stood there and said if you ship their jobs to mexico i'm going to put a tariff on you and you're not going to be able to sell a car and that no other politician would say something like this is michael moore giving that analysis right and so you haven't heard him say that stuff since because he got spanked okay so there's so many threads here and i want to get to that because i'm fascinated by AOC, same thing. And so you haven't heard him say that stuff since because he got spanked.
Okay, so there's so many threads here, and I want to get to that because I'm fascinated by AOC, same thing, and a couple of others who should be, I don't know, Trump supporters necessarily, but they should be making common cause with Trump on the promise of a fair economic system, and they're not, and why?

But let me just get back to your great point that this, that wokeness was used as a tool by the people making the most money going back 80 years. Yes.
So this is why Malcolm X had a short lifespan. That's right.
Right. Exactly right.
So if you actually listen to Malcolm X speeches, they're not about race. But he went and had an awakening.
Exactly. He had an awakening.
It's like, oh, there's white Muslims. Exactly.
And he realized that that wasn't the game. And as soon as that happened, he had a short life.
And so same thing when Martin Luther King decided it was about class and not about race. No, they want it to be about race.
And so you've seen the studies, I'm sure, that after Occupy Wall Street, so you had the Tea Party, right? They were upset about what happened during the economic crash in Wall Street, and the government bailing them out and kicking people out of their houses and making sure the bold, you know, the way I said it was Barack Obama made sure the bankers got their bonuses while he kicked 5.1 million families out of their homes. Not people, 5.1 million families.
And then you find out that he got more money from Wall Street than John McCain did. And you find out that...
Did he really? Yes. And that every...
There was an email from Wall Street, from Citigroup to the Barack Obama campaign with a list of people they wanted in his cabinet. Every person on that list ended up in his cabinet.
And the reason I know that, because that got released by WikiLeaks, and that's why they've been trying to kill Julian Assange ever since. And so they all are working.
You know, he wasn't a departure from George W. Bush, Barack Obama, just his skin color.
He took us from two wars to seven. He gave us a right-wing health care plan, which came out of the Heritage Foundation, which is the same people I gave you, Project 2025.
And he gave us Mitt Romney's health care plan. And he deported all those.
He dropped more bombs than George Bush, and nobody noticed. And that's why they wanted to have Kamala Harris.
That was their first choice. The donor class was Kamala Harris.
They thought we'd have a female Barack Obama.

And that's a good face for imperialism, right?

Because we have a black woman bombing and stealing resources and doing neoliberal and neocon policies.

That's perfect. And that she couldn't get a vote.

So then they had to go to their second most reliable person, which was Joe Biden.

That's exactly how it works. I don't know if you remember, but they coronated her on Martha's Vineyard.
She's going to be our candidate. And they thought they had the black Barack Obama, but she couldn't get a vote.
She has no political talent. Right.
And so then they forced her on Joe Biden as the vice president. And then, of course, they did a coup, just like Jim Gaffigan said at the Elle Smith dinner.
They had the they had the debates way earlier than they normally would. So they would give them enough time to install Kamala Harris.
And that's exactly what happened. So I don't know how I got off on this tangent.
But yes, that's and that's the oh, we know that after Wall Street, after Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party, then the major newspapers, the mentions of racism and white supremacy. People have studied this.
I'm not making this up. I'm just quoting studies.
It went through the roof. And why is that? That's because, as Chomsky taught us, the newspapers aren't there to inform you.
They're to manufacture consent. And one of the great ways to manufacture consent for the establishment is to divide and conquer.
It's been there ever since World War II. It's been divide and conquer.
And that's exactly what they did. So they got everybody hyper.
That's what identity politics is. And it's got everybody who you identify with your skin color.
It's the opposite of Martin Luther King. It's the opposite of judge someone by the content of their character.
And so now everybody's identified with their gender or their sexual preference or their skin color or their ethnicity. And they got us all siloed off and split up.
But what we need to do is what Christian Smalls did on Staten Island when he started the first labor union for Amazon, right? So here's a black guy on Staten Island. And what is he doing? He's organizing a bunch of Trump voters to go against Jeff Bezos and the machine.
And he won, right? And he didn't do that by saying, hey, who here's a gun nut? All right. You are out.
Who here supports the trans? You don't. You're out.
OK, who here? No, that's not how you organize. Right.
Who's left? OK, now I'm going to organize with the rest of you. That's not how it works.
You go. We have an economic interest.
We share a common economic interest and we share a common enemy. And that enemy is Jeff Bezos and the establishment who's with me.
And they were with them. And, you know, if the funny thing is when you win a union like that or you win economic gains for everybody, the people who disproportionately are benefited are the people of color.
You know have more medical debt per capita than white people. If you give everybody health care, that's going to help them more, right? So you give everybody health care, it helps the trans community.
So you give everybody a living wage, a strong union, that helps everybody more. And the people who are more disproportionately helped are the people who you normally consider the most vulnerable in your society.
So that's the irony. But they want us fighting over things that just help your little, fight over trans rights, fight over reparations, fight over this, instead of fight over something that helps everybody.
And that's what divide and conquer is. And that's why we are where we are, Tucker.
Wellucker well it's such a smart analysis and i just want to say for the record i agree with every single word that you said um but to first uh it's just incredibly easy to divide people you know from outside it it really is especially along the lines of immutable characteristics, because they don't change. And so

the conflicts tend to be irresolvable. I mean, you can go from a Bernie voter to a Trump voter to whatever's next voter.
You can change your, you cannot change your skin color. And so once you create those divisions, like they're permanent and you wreck your society.
But I just detect in your worldview, something that you don't see very often, which is universalism. your instinct or your sense of the world

seems to be based on the idea that there are principles that apply to everyone, regardless of what they look like. And I thought that's, I mean, that's what Western civilization was based on.
That's Christianity, by the way. But I don't see people approaching questions with that assumption as much anymore.
No, because they're propagandized to do the other. And the American people, I've said this, my friend, Nick Cruz says this, Americans are the most propagandized people in the entire world, and they don't have any idea that they are.
At least people in China know they're being propagandized. The people in the old Soviet Union knew it was propaganda.
People in America turn on Anderson Cooper, turn on Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity. They think they're getting the truth.
They really do. They think, you know, hey, don't you think it's a little weird when Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow are saying the exact same thing about Ukraine? Don't you think that's weird? Well, yes, in fact, I did.
It's funny you mentioned that. Yeah.
And so, you know, I try to remind people that, you know, that you got fired not because you were going along with the wars and telling the lies of the wars. When you were going along with the Iraq war, they couldn't give you enough TV shows, right? You were on CNN, MSNBC, your number one guest was Rachel Maddow.
Then you had the number one show on Fox. It was when you started to tell the truth.
They don't fire you for lying about wars. They fire you for telling the truth about the wars.
And that's just the same reason why Julian Assange was in prison. He wasn't in prison because he lied about the war machine.
He was in prison because he told the truth. And that's what people need to realize.
And I try to, I ask people when I have these conversations with my old liberal friends from Hollywood, the ones who still talk to me, and I'll say, is there anything you hear on cable news that you don't believe? Is there anything? And you know what? They never say anything back. They never say, well, I don't believe that.
They never say anything. They just change the subject or move on to something else.
You really think they're just accepting the whole sandwich? Yes. Just swallowing without chewing.
Yes. And that was the beginning of the end for me was when I wouldn't go along with Hillary Clinton because I was a big, I've always been a liberal progressive.
And I supported Bernie Sanders. I thought we were really close to doing something.
At that convention in 2016 in Philadelphia, I was there and you walked into the convention hall and half the people in there wanted to overthrow the Democratic establishment. Half the people there wanted to get corporate money out of politics.
And there was lots of friction. They were turning the lights out.
They were using sound can. The whole day was, and it really felt like we were about to do something, right? And then I went to the last convention just this year in Chicago, and it was like a Stepford's Wives convention.
It was brainwashed, brain dead, go-alongs. Nobody had a thought in their head.
They were cheering on billionaires and cheering on the war machine. And it was great.
From CIA director. Billionaires on stage from, you know, Oprah talking about how she's a victim of sexism and racism.
That was one of the funniest things. That's like Oprah, since I've been in college, she's been a highly touted celebrity with her own television show.
There might've been a time in her life when she was discriminated against, but boy, she certainly made up for it. And for her to be the voice of that was really disgusting.
And then you had Pritzker come on stage, I'm a real billionaire. And people are cheering like, is this the democratic party? The democratic party.
And so that's what happened with Bill Clinton. How did they treat you by the way at the convention? I couldn't stay there long.
I had a pass to be on the floor. Honestly, it depressed me to the point of almost tears.
And I would go up to people, I would go up to delegates, and I would say, does it bother you that the party who's putting democracy on the ballot threw out 14 million ballots and installed Kamala Harris. And to a person, they would all say there was a process.
She followed the process. They didn't care.
Nobody cared. They don't care anything.
They didn't care that she didn't get a vote. They don't care that they threw out the guy who did get a vote.
They don't care that they were lied to about his mental, his dementia for years. They didn't mind.
Nothing, nothing. And they were all about, it was the only, it was, and they talk about abortion at the convention like it's a day, it's like it's Christmas.
And, you know, like, hey, I'm, I always, you know, like Bill, the old liberals, I always was like, you know, let's make abortion safe, legal and rare, right? And they're like, no, let's cheer it on like it's Christmas. I'm like, that's weird.
It's like cheering on amputation. Like, yay, you get to get your amputation.
I'm like, no, that's something that's, if you have to have it, that's, I'm glad it's available, but that's always a sad day. Anyways, so that's where...
What is that about? I really noticed that because I've been covering this stuff since 92. And Clinton, I mean, I've always been against abortion.
I was going to say that, agree or disagree with me. But, you know, I feel that way.
But I remember Clinton really kind of going out of his way to be like, it's a sad thing. But we think in these circumstances, it should be legal.
And I'm so struck by the change. What is that? Well, I had a conversation at the convention with someone who is, she's in this woman's rights organization.
She was the head of it. And I don't want to mention her name, but she, I was saying, well, I've always been pro-choice.
I don't want a G-man in between doctor and a patient. I trust women.
I trust doctors to make that decision without a government stepping. And she's like, well, that's not good enough.
You have to be pro-abortion. And I'm like, that just seems, and I'm like, well, what's your message to someone like me who's pro-choice but not pro-abortion? And she's like, well, that's a longer conversation.
I'm like, you don't have a message for me? Are you, she said you have to be pro-abortion. Pro-abortion.
I mean, it blew me away. And this is someone I like and respect, and it's very funny, and all that stuff.
But I didn't see it coming. Because I've been saying, because during COVID, they went from being pro-choice to pro-abortion, which I noticed.
Right? Because it sounds so weird coming off your lips. I'm pro-abortion.
You're pro, no, you're supposed to be pro-choice. You're supposed to be bodily autonomy, which they don't say anymore because they were all for the mandated emergency medical treatment, which was COVID vaccines with no long-term studies.
They were for making people take that. And so that's the exact opposite of bodily autonomy, something that I've said my entire life.
Everybody who would call themselves a liberal has said, well, they stopped saying that because they're not for bodily autonomy. Therefore, the government being able to mandate an experimental medical treatment while they're lying to you about it.
But they're pro-abortion. So I would say on my show that nobody's pro-abortion.
And then I met someone at the convention who was. And was and I was just like whoa it still kind of blows me away.
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Okay. You have any idea what that is? It blows me away too.
Again, and I'm coming at it from exactly the opposite perspective. I've always disagreed with a pro-choice position um but i also thought when i would listen to clinton i'd be like i get it i get why people feel you know 13 year old girl raped she's got a disabled you know the baby's disabled i mean i understand why people are like yeah she should have an abortion or have the right to this is such a different message and i just don't know where that came from or why that it's just really striking to me it's dark super dark i think it's super dark yeah but those are the same people who can turn their head at the uh genocide happening in palestine and uh say things i mean i but i would turn to people who i liberal their whole life i'm like so you stand with the people of the people of Palestine, right? And they're like, Kamala is not the president of the Middle East.
They'll say things like that. And I'm like, what? But she is funding it.
And it's like, well, Trump is going to be worse. What is he going to do? Dig up the dead babies and kill them again? You know, if Trump is worse, then we deal with Trump when that happens.
But right now, you cannot reward what the Democratic administration is doing, what Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, you cannot reward them with your vote. You have to make them pay a price.
You have to influence them. And that's why now every Muslim mayor in Michigan came out, and I'm pretty sure just endorsed Donald Trump.
And so you're going to wag your finger at those people. I've seen people, they go, well, Trump's going to go house to house.
I work with immigrants. And Trump's going to go house to house and kick them out.
And I'm like, so you're prioritizing the immigration status of migrants over the literal slaughter of Palestinian children. That's morally repugnant.
And as, you know, Thomas Frank said in Listen to Liberal, you know, when you listen to these people moralize, it's stomach churning. And that is stomach.
It's like you're just bending yourself in a press. There's nothing.
So there's no red line. I have a red line.
My red line is genocide. And, you know, Kamala Harris could come get my vote.
You know, if she said, hey, you know what? I'm not going to do. I'm not going to fund Israel anymore.
That's their problem or his something. She won't do it.
And so if you're if you're willing to go along with that, there's no doubt you're not voting for a lesser evil. You're just voting for straight up evil and you're doing mental gymnastics to make yourself feel better about it.
People have to lie to themselves about Donald Trump, the same establishment that venerated him my entire life. He was on every magazine cover, invited on every late night talk show.
He hosted Saturday Night Live. Hollywood gave him his own national television show for 10 years.
They gave him Emmy nominations, right? And Oprah loved him. The View kissed him on the lips.
They loved him. Everybody loves Donald Trump.
Stephen Colbert loved him. He would say, look, everybody loves Donald Trump.
Thanks for running, Stephen Colbert said to him. And then all of a sudden, once he became pretty, he's like, oh, he's Hitler.
He's the worst thing in the world. And if you look at what he was saying about- What caused that pivot? The establishment.
So the establishment, they couldn't control him. He's, you know, like I've heard you say, they're afraid he's going to do one less war than they want.
And so they couldn't control him. And he's also, as Aaron Maté has pointed out, that he puts an ugly face on imperialism, right? Because now they've painted this guy as a white supremacist and he speaks in a crude way often, and he puts an ugly face on imperialism.
So it makes it harder for them to invade small brown countries and steal their natural resources. A lot easier if it's Barack Obama doing it, like what he did to Libya, like what they did to Syria, like what they did to Afghanistan for 20 years, Yemen, the whole deal.
So it makes it so, but Trump makes it harder for them, right? And plus he's a wild card. He won't, he wouldn't go go along.
That's why the that's why they lied about him. That's why the CIA lied in aid of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris about Hunter's laptop.
That's why they did Russiagate, which was concocted by the Hillary Clinton campaign. And that's why the FBI lied to the vice vice court 17 times so they could get a phone tap on Donald Trump's phone and his entire organization.
And they still couldn't find a crime that they wanted to impeach him over because they had to find a crime that they weren't also complicit in. That's why it took so long.
So, uh, so, and for me saying, you know, and I, when I had Cornel West on my show, I tried to impress upon him that don't you see, like, you don't have to like Donald Trump, right?

I didn't vote for Donald Trump.

But what you see they're doing to Donald Trump, they would do to anybody.

And when I say they, I mean the establishment and the handful of billionaires that actually run the Western world and our media.

And own the Congress.

They would do to anybody who stood up.

Look what they did to Bernie Sanders, right?

So when there was a chance that Bernie Sanders was going to become the nominee, they immediately rush-a-gated him. They immediately called him a sexist.
They immediately called his followers racist and sexist and violent. They did the exact same thing.
And that's what I tried to impress upon. They would do this to you.
They would do this to Bernie Sanders. They would do it to me.
They would do it to Jill. They'd do it to Jill Stein.
They'd do it to anybody who they can't control. And Cornel West's response to me was to call me a Trumper.
That was one of the saddest days of my life. I know Cornel and I, you know, it's a very complicated person, but in some ways a good-hearted person.
In many ways. Yeah, he is.
And he's smart. He's legit smart.
But he has lived

in, you know, he told me that we live in two different worlds. And I was like, we sure do.
You live in an ivory tower your entire life. And I've come from blue collar background and my whole life.
And I'm out there with the people all the time. I tour the country constantly.
And I do meet and greets and meet hundreds of people every night. And they look at me in the in the eye, uh, with, and some of them with tears in their eye and they thank me for what I'm doing

and for what I'm saying. And even though they don't agree with me politically, I would say half my audience is traditional liberals.
The other half are libertarians or conservatives and ex-military. you know I remember most recently I had a guy said, you know, I've served in three different countries in three different wars, and I watched your show, and I woke up, and now I realize what's going on.
And those are the kind of things that, you know, kind of never leave me. I've had military guys try to give me their medals, and, you know, it's overwhelming emotionally for me to meet these people.
And so that's what I that's the world I come from. And that's not the world the media comes from.
That's not the world that Cornel West comes from. And because Cornel West is black, he kind of has a trump card where he can say you've never suffered like I have.
You don't know what it's like. I don't know what it's like to live and work in Harvard and Yale and

Princeton. That's got to be miserable.

You're so right. So let me

just get back to what

I wanted to ask you a couple minutes ago, which is

the people who should know better in

Cornel West is certainly in that category.

Well, look at what happened during COVID. That was my big

beef when I had him on, because

he wouldn't say a peep during COVID.

I'm like, you know... Oh, really?

I didn't know that. No, well, now

Thank you. Well, look what happened during COVID.
That was my big beef when I had him on because he wouldn't say a peep during COVID. I'm like, you know.
Oh, really? I didn't know that. No.
Well, now he's now he is saying something. He's picked up Bobby Kennedy's.
But, you know, I was like, you know, where were you when he's always I stand in solidarity with workers? And I'm like, well, they fired 70,000 health care workers in one state alone because they wouldn't take an experimental medical treatment.

Where were you then?

Right?

41% of black-owned businesses closed permanently during COVID.

Where were you then?

Where were you screaming about that?

Where was your solidarity then?

And so I don't want to pick on Cornel West.

He's got a lot of, I like him.

Oh, yeah, no, I agree.

And I like him. But it was a very big letdown for me.
But you're right. So my question is not even to get personal about it, or AOC is someone who has called me a white supremacist a thousand times, but I still look at her and I say, this is woman with talent.
I think she does have talent. I'm sure she'll disavow me for saying that.
But she's also said a few things over the years where you could be closer to the right track than you are, but she seems to have sold out immediately. And I would also say, not to be mean, but Bernie Sanders, same thing.
Like, what? And Michael Moore of all, not only was he on a populist streak, and he's actually from industrial Michigan, he's also fat, which I think is significant. No, no, I'm not being mean.
I'm being serious. No one in the ruling class is fat.
A lot of America is fat. Michael Moore, like, he seemed a little bit more real than or potentially more real than a lot of the spokesmen for the left.
Why is he going along with that? Like, what is this? Why are there no independent voices? That's funny because he was, like I pointed out earlier in this conversation, he was the one who gave that big speech about why regular people are attracted to Donald Trump. And it's because they want to give an F you to the establishment that has left them behind.
And the Democratic Party has certainly left workers behind. They crushed the railroad union strike.
All of them, the Democrats, they all did that and pretended they didn't, pretended that they're somehow the party of the workers. It all ended with Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton was no friend of the working man. He got, you know, after Ronald Reagan, he called up Wall Street.
They had the Democratic Leadership Council. You remember that? The DLC? Do you remember who was on it? They had people from the Koch brothers sitting on their board.
Him and... So there was...
I mean, he gutted welfare. He increased the police state.
He deregulated Wall Street, which came to crash the economy and hurt black and brown people more than anybody. Within 10 years, he did that.
He exploded the prison population, and he had a private plan with Newt Gingrich to privatize social security, but Monica Lewinsky screwed that plan up, if you read Listen Liberal. And so he, and he did NAFTA, which cut the legs out from underneath the working unions for a generation.
Those are things that Republicans couldn't do, which is why people like Glenn Ford in the Black Agenda Report has said that the Democrats are the greater evil. They're the more effective evil because they can get stuff done that Republicans couldn't.
They've reached the Malcolm X position. Yeah, uh-huh.
So when George Bush I wanted to do NAFTA, he couldn't get it passed because there was certain Democrats in the South who wouldn't go along with it. Bill Clinton came in and gave them cover.
And then they did it. They did NAFTA, right? Which screwed over.
So Barack Obama, he's dropped more bombs than George W. Bush.
And nobody made a peep. But how do you control critics who know better? That's what I don't get.
And Michael Moore specifically, Michael Moore had his own franchise. He's not dependent.
He doesn't have a cable contract. He doesn't, you know, he was sort of outside.
And here I'm not, I'm not complimenting Michael Moore. I'm just, but I'm just noting like the guy had talent.
He had his own income stream. He had some insight into what was actually going along along the lines of what you just said.
So how do you get Michael Moore to obey you and join forces with Larry Fink? I think it's the same way they got Jon Stewart, right? So Jon Stewart went on Stephen Colbert, and he told the truth about where the COVID virus came from. Do you remember that? Yeah.
And Stephen Colbert tried to stop him at every turn to the point where Jon Stewart had to get up off the chair and walk directly towards the camera and finish what he was saying. So Stephen Colbert couldn't interrupt him.
Do you remember that? It was very well. It was unbelievable.
And then he got completely dismantled or completely ostracized by polite liberal establishment. And he spent the next year trying to get back into their good graces.
That's what I think it is. It's that, you know, we have that built into us through evolution.
You want to be part of a group. And he was no longer part.
He even talked about it. Like, I didn't realize that there was a right wing position on COVID and there was a left wing.
There was a conservative. I didn't realize that.
Well, he freaking got his mind right. And to make up for it, he then had to pin a medal on a Nazi at Disney World.
A legit, legit Nazi, which he's never been asked about or ever had to answer for. He then gave a Ukrainian Nazi.
Yeah. Then he gave a tongue bath to two of the biggest blood-souled war criminals of my lifetime, Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton.
He did that interview. That was just disgusting.
And then he did a vaccine panel during COVID where he brought on four vaccine liars, not one skeptic. He didn't bring on anybody with a counter narrative to just lie about vaccines and COVID.
So he was doing all these things to try to get back in good, great. That's my theory.
That's why you're asking what happened to Michael Moore. I think you get ostracized and he doesn't want to get ostracized.
And then who knows? The money dries up for your next movie. Who knows what that, but definitely it doesn't make any sense.
That's actually, that makes sense that I'd love to ask him, but he'll never come on my shore answer. I feel like, I think it's a great explanation.
Probably right. I mean, I think it's probably as simple as that, you know, the desire not to be shunned.
I mean, I know what it feels like to be shunned. I know.
Right. I mean, people I've known all my life speak of me in the most despicable ways.
And it's because I actually kept true to my values. I actually, you know, I look forward to a day when the left actually criticizes and is skeptical of big pharma and is adversarial towards the government and the captured regulatory agencies and the liars inside government like Fauci and Collins and all those people.
I look forward to those days when we stand up against the CIA again and don't believe the FBI and the intelligence communities, which has infiltrated every lefty organization and dismantled them. I look forward to those days when they come back.
I never left them. They did.
They became neocon right-wingers. I don't know if that's even the right term anymore to call people.
But that's what the people who think they're liberal now are now. They now state they're pro-war.
They're anti-free speech. They're pro-censorship.
They're anti-bodily autonomy. And now they're excusing a genocide.
They're the exact opposite of what they think they are. That's just, I could not improve on that.
Can I just take you back to something you said a moment ago about the 2016 election and Bernie Sanders? And Sanders was clearly, and it was also true in 2020, the Democratic candidate in the primaries with grassroots support. I mean, he was with actual people behind him, right? And he had a message that was distinct from all other messages in the Democratic coalition.
And Russia gated him. Okay.
So I think looking back when historians untangle this, you know, this mess that we've been living in for nine years and trying to figure out what actually happened, like how did we wind up at war with Russia, a hot war with russia which we're in now yeah i think they're going to trace it back to the leak of the dnc emails i just have always felt that what was that so well we know that uh so it used to be that remember when george bush said he met putin and he looked into his soul and he's a good man yes and that's because there was, you know, we wanted to export our crony capitalism to Russia, which we did in a big way.

And there was economic interests in Russia.

Well, then the war machine had economic interests and we needed a boogeyman again, right?

And I remember when Biden was pulling out of Afghanistan and there was a lot of people who consider themselves liberal that were giving him congratulations.

just And I remember when Biden was pulling out of Afghanistan and there was a lot of people who consider themselves liberal that were giving him congratulations. Look, he's getting out.
He's getting out. And I was like, well, wait a minute.

What is he going to do with the money that we've been spending in Afghanistan?

Has he said, well, I'm going to wait till I hear because I'm pretty sure they have another war in the chamber if they're going to let him end this one.

And exactly they did. They had the Ukraine war in the chamber, which they had been preparing for.

I'm pretty sure they have another war in the chamber if they're going to let him end this one. And exactly, they did.
They had the Ukraine war in the chamber, which they had been preparing for for at least a decade, if not longer. And again, that's the Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, even they're never going to tell you that.
Oh, that's right. The CIA got in bed with right wing Nazis in Ukraine to overthrow their democratically elected government.
Why? For economic reasons. That's why.
Why? Because, oh, because the Ukraine wanted to, they had a better economic deal from Putin and Russia than they were getting from the European Union, and that cannot stand. And so we overthrew their democratically elected president.
Zelensky's a puppet, right? And he ran on peace. That's the irony.
So he ran on peace and ending war. And now he's banning newspapers and opposition parties and going into Christian churches.
And you've seen it all. And killing American journalists, right? And he's not elected.
He's a dictator by definition. Exactly.
So they'll never tell you about the Minsk Accords and that they had peace agreements and that, as Angela Merkel revealed, that they never, the Ukraine and the NATO never intended to abide by the peace. So what happened after we overthrew the government in Ukraine in 2014 was the people, the Russian speaking ethnics in the east part of Ukraine didn't want to go along with that couped government.
And so the Ukrainian government, Nazis, started bombing them, right? They started shelling them, which is why we had to have peace agreements, Minsk 1 and 2 Accords. And Angela Merkel revealed that they never meant to go along with those.
They just used that as a time to build up the Ukrainian military to get ready for a war with Russia that they were going to provoke, which everyone knows that they did provoke. They certainly did provoke it.
And I don't think everyone knows that, but I'll just say it again. They provoked it using Kamala Harris at the Munich Security Conference.
Right, when she said that you were going to put them in, we're going to put Ukraine in NATO, that was the final straw. And there was, you know, all Putin wanted was, hey, just don't do that.
I can't have you putting nuclear weapons and I can't have a NATO right on my border. And you could, everybody could anyway.
And so they, but the way it's told in the United States is that Putin is an evil dictator. And he just woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine for kicks because he's just evil and they don't have any.
And then of course blew up his own pipeline the nordstrom pipeline uh the biggest and which actually screws over europe and germany right now their economies are all hurting because of that and but putin's economy is outgrowing growing faster than the united states exactly and uh i believe i was called a traitor for pointing that out but it doesn't make it any less true it a fact. But this is all, and this is so frustrating, this kind of propaganda.
And because I have the time to look into this and I'm aware of it and I can't keep my mouth shut about it. Now, you know, everybody calls me a right winger.
People say I'm turning Democrats into Republicans and stuff like that. I'm just like, no, I'm trying to wake up Democrats and Republicans to the uniparty that's been running things.
And that's exactly what we're living in, you know. And, you know, it's funny.
I'm noting some kind of a pattern. Every war, there seems to be some kind of, and every coup we do, there seems to be some kind of natural resource that we actually are after in an economic gain.
Just like, well, Lindsey Graham just said it, that there's $11 trillion in rare earth minerals under Ukraine. He just blurts it out like his boyfriend's name on Valentine's Day.
And there it is. And I'm like, oh, nobody ever talked about this for the first three or four years of this war.
All of a sudden he's like, oh, it's all about $11 trillion in rare earth. I'm like, you son of a bitch.
And they just say it. They just say it out loud.
And there's no media there to hold him accountable because the media is now owned by billionaires like Jeff Bezos. And they don't hire journalists from blue collar backgrounds.
They hire journalists from Ivy League schools who are going to be class loyal. They don't have to tell them what to say.
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And it was on the basis of that supposed crime that Russia became our biggest enemy. And we wound up in a hot war with Russia.
And my question to you is, do you think those emails were stolen by Russia and given to Julian Assange? She's denied that. Or do you think they were leaked to WikiLeaks by a disgruntled DNC employee who saw the DNC cheating in the primary on behalf of Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders to shut down democracy within the party? So that DNC email leak being blamed on Russia served two purposes, right? You get to tie Donald Trump to Russia.
Right. And then you get to demonize Russia.
Exactly. Which they had a war in the chamber for, right? They wanted, they knew this was coming.
So it served both purposes. And do I think that, so we, no, Russia, I had on Bill Binney, who at the time was the number one code breaker for the NSA for decades.
And of course he told the truth. So the FBI tried to imprison him, but he's smarter than the FBI, which isn't that hard.
And so he outwitted them. Wait, the FBI tried to imprison Bill Binney? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they tried to get him, but he outsmarted them, right? He told the story on my show. I don't remember the details because it was in 2016.
But basically he was, just in one sentence, Binney, who's very familiar with how information moves digitally, said, made the case mathematically that it would be impossible to to leak it from outside the building you'd

have someone downloading it from he said it had to be downloaded and he said because they were there would be there's a paper there'd be a trail of uh you know electronic trail that you you would see if that information got downloaded and went so he uh said that had to be uh locally downloaded right like and so then it comes up Seth Rich, right? So you always can tell when the establishment's up to some fuckery when they don't allow you to ask questions about something, like you weren't allowed to ask questions about COVID, so you know something's up, right? 100%. But that's true in our personal lives, too.
If I refuse to talk about something, there's probably something there. So I first experienced this when it came to Seth Rich, right? So I remember that there was a private investigator that was hired, I don't know, by the family or someone connected to the Seth Rich family.
And he gave a press conference. And all I did was cover his press conference and I asked logical questions like, hey, if this was a botched robbery, how come they didn't steal his watch or his wallet or anything? How come there's, where's the videotape of this? There's cameras everywhere.
Hey, how, where was he when the time he left the bar to the time he got to his house? There's hours in between there. Nobody, I just want to know.
And I remember I was on a panel, a news panel, and I said, can anybody remember the last time there was an unsolved murder in Washington, D.C., and reporters weren't allowed to ask questions about it? And it was just like, well, no, no, no, they didn't want to talk about it. They didn't want, of course, that's never happened before, and it's never happened since.
And so I got a hit piece put on me in the Washington Post and called me a conspiracy theorist because I was asking logical questions about an unsolved murder. How dare you? In Washington, D.C.
I was put in a hit piece in the Washington Post. And son of a bitch, a couple of years go by.
And now they've been, first of all, the FBI said they didn't have his computer, Seth Rich's laptop. Then they said, okay, yeah, we have it, but we can't access it.
Then they're like, okay, yeah, we accessed it, but we have a printout, but we can't share it. And then a judge ordered them to release their findings of what's inside that computer, and they refused.
The judge ordered them again, you have to do this, and they said, hey, no, they invoked some national security thing, and they said, we're not going to release it for 65 years. That's what they said.
And I was like, he's a low-level staffer at DNC. I was like, son of a bitch, I knew it.
There was something up. And when the FBI isn't going to, I'm like, what did seth rich kill kennedy why won't they so and and uh and of course now i was right to ask all those questions and so it certainly seems uh all the evidence points towards seth rich it doesn't point towards russia because now we know that russia didn't i knew that immediately i knew that in 2016 that that wasn't possible and they knew that the CrowdStrike was lying.
In fact, and that it was the Hillary Clinton campaign and the intelligence community that concocted the Russiagate conspiracy theory, which is one of the dumbest, most easily debunked conspiracy theories of my life that was repeated ubiquitously in the press, right? Manufacturing consent. And so the Steele dossier, you know, Hillary Clinton funded it, right? And we all know it was all made up.
And she lied about that, by the way. She had to pay a fine for lying about that.
Nobody ever, again, if it doesn't get reported in the press, it doesn't happen. They decide what's the news and what isn't.
And if it doesn't get reported, I mean, it got reported on page 17, but nobody made a big deal out of it. So that's what if you're asking me about the DNC leak of the emails, I think certainly the evidence doesn't point towards Russia whatsoever.
There never was any evidence. And they lied about everything.
And there was I mean, I remember if this was look, I'm not a a Democrat, have never been, so a lot of this stuff was confusing to me, and it was just hard to, it's hard to assess things as they happen, and I feel like an idiot for not, my instincts aligned with yours exactly. I thought there's something, there's lying here.
I know lying, but I'm not exactly sure what they're lying about, and I don't know what the truth is. But I remember that the Nation magazine, the oldest leftist magazine in the United States, Victor Novasky's old magazine, ran a piece by Bill Binney saying this is not Russia.
Russia did not do this. And you look back eight years and the idea that the Nation magazine would write a piece like that, that's impossible to imagine now.
They would never do that.

It's like every institution on the left got captured by this weird neoliberal dishonesty.

And I just, how did that happen?

Well, is that the, so Aaron Maté did a meticulous debunking of the Russiagate conspiracy theory, and he was allowed to be printed. I think it was in The Nation.
Oh, good. Okay, good.
Boyd, the editor, I think it's Vanden Heuvel. Katrina, yeah.
And she caught a lot of guff for just, it was the only time they printed anything counter to that narrative. And Aaron Maté ended up winning the I.F.
Stone Independent Journalism Award for that work. And they said he meticulously debunked Russiagate.
It didn't, Russiagate's a dumb conspiracy theory. If you want to find the debunking of it, there it is.
It was given an award, the Izzy Award, right? But again, that doesn't make the front page of the Washington Post and the New York Times. Rachel Maddow is never going to tell you that.
She's just going to keep going on and Russiagating and Russiagating because to tell the truth about Russiagate gets you ostracized. And to lie about it gets you a $30 million contract, which is what Rachel Maddow got, which is $100,000 a day.
That's how much Rachel Maddow gets paid to lie to you about Ukraine, about COVID, about anything.

That's what she's there to lie about.

Russiagate.

How long can that continue?

I mean, the audience for news organizations that lie, all news organizations lie, but, you know, you'd hope it's inadvertent.

It's a mistake.

No.

I've made a lot of those.

But the ones who lie on purpose, like NBC News or CBS or ABC, Washington Post, New York Times, like they are losing audience share as a result of their lying. Can they continue? Yeah, I don't see any end to it.
Right now, they keep inventing fake fact check organizations. So I had like this, you know, CIA employee from NBC News contact me about me spreading misinformation.
Oh, it was directly about you. They said when you spread misinformation.
About me? Yeah, that I said that I repeated the Russian propaganda that you were targeted for assassination by a Ukrainian. And I went back and I looked at my coverage

and I said, the only thing we can say for sure

is that this guy is being detained for questioning.

That's the only thing.

I didn't, you know.

NBC did that?

Yeah, I said, no, if you look at this,

and then I realized.

That story's true, just by the way.

I've never have talked about,

I'm not going to talk about it now,

but it's just, it's so interesting.

They never called me.

I would be the,

I was the target of that assassination attempt.

So you'd think that someone would ask me.

They never did.

Who was this employee?

I don't think of her name, but I know she's been, as I looked into it, I'm like, oh, other people have called her out for being the mouthpiece of the intelligence community, and that's what her job. She's a fact checker.
She used to be a librarian, and now she's a fact checker for NBC News. Randy Zedonzy or something like that.
She has like a Ukrainian-sounding name. And then I just got contacted.
Then the next week, a place called Logically Fallacy or Logically False or some kind of international fact-checking organization.

And they're saying, hey, you're spreading misinformation about this. And it was a satirical piece I had done, one of them.
And it was so funny. Do you guys know what Sats Hire is? Anyway, so I looked into who funds them, right? Because that's the first thing you want to do is look into who funds them.
And they were started off by a grant from MIT, which we all know is CIA infested. And then they got Jeff Bezos, who's in bed with the CIA

and wants to keep his billions and billions of dollars of contracts with the CIA. He also funded them.
And then their two big clients, the UK government and the United States government. You're fact checking on behalf of the war machine.
That's what that is. By the way, if you're a government fact checker, then you are by definition like...
A liar. Lord Ha Ha.
You're like a stooge. Yeah.
You're Tokyo Rose. You're a liar.
I mean, you're not only a liar, you're a collaborator. Baghdad Bob.
Yeah, Baghdad Bob. Thank you.
That's what you are. That's what those people are.
So what I realized what was happening and it kind of scared me was that, oh, they're trying to get me, they're going to try and Russell Brand me. They're going to try to get me the platform so they can have all these articles about Jimmy Dore spreading misinformation.
And they can put, and then, so then YouTube will go, oh, well, look at all this. We got to get rid of this guy.
Look at all these fact-checking organizations, which they did the same thing. So Facebook demonetized me because, you know, the big pharma funded fact-checking organizations, which they did the same thing.
So Facebook demonetized me because the big pharma-funded fact-checking organizations, which is funded by the Johnson & Johnson, they said I was spreading misinformation about COVID, which nothing, none of it was ever misinformation. It was all information.
Again, you don't get in trouble for lying. You get in trouble for telling the truth, which is what they did.
They would write these, I mean, 20,000-word essays about how I lied about something, and it just came down to they didn't like my headline. They quibbled with my headline.
That's called a quibble. That's not a fact check.
Not one fact I got wrong. But then Facebook used that as, hey, they put a label on my story.
This is misinformation. You better not share it.
You better not even read it. You're going to get in trouble.
And then now Zuckerberg has come out and apologized. Yeah, I was pressured to do all this censoring.
And they're still doing it. They're not stopping.
I don't know why he even did that, but they're still doing it. They still have those fake fact check organizations.
And if you look into them, they're being funded by a billionaire or they're with a political agenda or by a big pharma or a corporation somewhere that has a political agenda. They're not, anybody calls themselves a fact checker is a liar.
They're paid liars. Of course, the irony is it's always exactly the opposite of what they're telling you.
Yes. And if you get your money from the government

to fact jack,

the biggest liars are always the government.

Of course.

The second biggest liars is the corporate media.

And third, in a distant third,

are randos on social media.

That's so true.

I think anyone who uses the term

misinformation non-ironically is part of the problem. Because that's not a real category.
There are only two categories, true or false. Inconvenient for the people in power is not a meaningful category to me.
I don't give a shit whether it's inconvenient for them. Isn't that what...
One of them, disinformation, I think is, it might be true, but it's inconvenient for the establishment. Or misinformation.
All all of them yeah it's true or false is it a lie or is it true it's that simple and it's you know when you start expanding the categories it's like the genders i'm sorry i just like you get into fantasy but it's fantasy concocted to protect the people in charge i mean that so do It feels to me, just being in New York last night, like things are changing and Trump is at the apex of the pyramid, but I'm not sure how much it's about Trump. Maybe it is, maybe it's not.
I'm not really sure, but I've noticed a lot of people who seem to have decided, I'm just going to say what I think and I don't care anymore. Do you feel that? What I will say is that when Bobby Kennedy joined Donald Trump and he did that at a, and I think it was Glendale, Arizona, he got introduced.
And he was up there talking about ending the billion dollar funded wars and investing that money back at home. He was talking about

cleaning up our water supply and cleaning up our food supply and getting the corruption out of our captured agencies, the CDC, the FDA. He was talking about taking on big agra.
He was talking about confronting our obesity epidemic and the chronic illness that's been exploding. and there was a whether you think Donald Trump is is serious about letting Bobby take over that agenda or not what was really interesting to me was that was a stadium full of Republican voters who were cheering that stuff on that's right and that's a traditionally that's supposed to be a Democrat was the last time you heard a Democratic politician talking about the captured regulatory agencies? Right.
These are these are things that the Democrat these are what I would consider lefty issues. So what this message there that what really scares the establishment, Tucker, is for a guy like me to see that and people who agree with that message to see a room full of Republican voters also agree with that message.
And we're like, hey, well, maybe we're not that different. Maybe we do have more in common and we share a common enemy.
And that enemy is the oligarchy in the establishment that has been crushing us and poisoning us at the behest of big pharma and corporations and big agra for the last 50 years. They don't want us to realize that.
You know, when Kamala Harris, when Dick Cheney endorses her, she says, oh, you know you know we have more in common than divides us she doesn't mean she has more in common with workers she doesn't mean she has more in common with regular people or students or the and she means she has more in common with neocon republicans she doesn't mean that we share they share a common enemy they are the common enemy and so that's what i'll say. And I see, you know, I have a red line.
I wish Donald Trump, you know, I was talking with Chris Hedges. I was interviewed on his show.
And we were talking about how, you know, if it's Kamala Harris, it's Donald Trump, the same thing's happening in Palestine and Gaza. And I said, you know, a weird thing is that someone's trying to kill Donald Trump and it looks like it's the deep state.
And so he must be a problem somehow. Right.
So that gives me hope in a weird way. I go, they're trying to kill him.
So that's got to mean something. Right.
I definitely agree with that. And they're not trying to kill her.
And they're're trying to kill him so that's got to mean something right i definitely agree with that and they're not trying to kill her and they're not trying to kill joe biden and so there's got to be something the establishment has a very very i think they're unimpressive and they've done nothing to help our society and i mean that but the one thing they're really good at is sniffing out who means it who's a threat their threat assessment is unerring they know like they look at AOC who's like power to the people power to the workers and they're like oh yeah she's one of us like they know that's a lie they know she doesn't mean it and they look at someone like Tulsi who's like you know liberal chick from Hawaii and they look at her and they're like no actually you can't be in our party like they could just feel you know what i mean and the fact they want it almost doesn't matter what you say they they're like animals and i mean this as a compliment they they detect the aroma like they know who's a threat and i agree with you trying to kill trump is like it's establishes bonafides in my mind you know that you bring up Tulsi and people forget what happened. She was a darling of the Democratic Party.
Oh, my vice chair of DNC when she got to Washington. And then she decided to support, she didn't like the corporate money inside the party and she decided to support Bernie Sanders, right? Which made her hated by half the party that supported.
So there was half the party supported Bernie, half the Democratic primary voters supported Bernie,

half supported Hillary Clinton.

So that half the party hated her, right?

And then she went on to tell the truth about the Syrian war.

Yes.

And to tell the truth about the rest of our four choice wars

of economic interest.

And she lost the rent.

Then she ran against Joe Biden and she ran against Bernie so now the Bernie supporters turned on her too and that's why so people need to remember what happened with I just try to remind people and now I disagree with Tulsi's view on a lot of things Israel's the big one but the big one uh but i don't i don't forget why people they again just like with you they she got in trouble because she told the truth about syria because she told the truth about ukraine because she told the truth about the democratic party cheating bernie sanders and the corporate control of their party that was again you don't get in trouble for lying she got in trouble for telling the truth that right. And they knew, they could smell it on her right away.
She got back from that trip to see Assad, and I was so out of it. I was like, what's wrong with that? She's on the Foreign Relations Committee.
Exactly. And she wasn't, I mean, I never understood why we were against Assad in the first place.
I never had strong feelings about Assad. He protected the Christians in Syria.
I don't know. That seemed like a good reason to at least be neutral.
Whatever. I just didn't, I wasn't that interested in the topic.
I'm American, right? So it's not my world. I'm not living in the Levant in my head.
But when she did that, I remember, I mean, they were just like, no, we, they hated her more than they hated any Republican. I was really struck by that.
So there's a theory that the reason why the Syrian war happened

was because they wanted to put a pipeline from,

was it Qatar or Saudi Arabia, right through Syria.

And of course, Syria was aligned with Russia,

and they wanted, and so they wanted to get rid of Assad

so they could do that.

And the CIA was backing ISIS and Al-Qaeda actually literally funding them right in a dirty war in syria right one of the most expensive dirty wars they've ever done and it was all of course without question the most immoral if you're funding isis and al-qaeda yes you're not on our side no and yet our government did that with our money and tulsi is if i'm recalling this correctly sponsored a piece of legislation that basically just said we're not allowed to use u.s tax dollars to fund isis they were like shut up extremist right winger that was insane so what happens i mean it was so bad tucker in syria that the pentagon would be funding one terrorist organization, that the Pentagon would be funding one terrorist organization and the CIA would be funding another terrorist organization. And then they would fight each other inside Syria.
And how do I know that? Because it got printed in the L.A. Times.
That's how obvious it was. But again, that doesn't that it's not.
It's on page 37. It's not on page one.
It's not the lead story of the news. In fact, it never makes the TV news.
And all they do is show you pictures of them cutting the guy's head off with a kitchen knife. You remember when that was the big thing on cable? I remember I'm watching Chris Matthews and they would show an ISIS guy cutting someone's head off with a kitchen knife.
And Chris Matthews is like, the president's got to do something. He's got to do something.
That's exactly how propaganda works. And they're like, look, they're barbarians.
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Can I just ask, I don't want to get too far afield, but since you've been watching this stuff for so long, whatever happened to Chris Matthews? He was like a dutiful soldier for the Democratic Party. He got Me Too'd.
But why? I mean, I worked in television my whole life, so I know for a fact that a lot of people could have been Me Too'd, but it was Chris Matthews, and they just crushed him in one day. Why? I saw, I found a video.
It's a good question. I found a video of him on, I think, election night, some election night.
And Rachel Maddow was sitting there saying, you know, Trump's victory, the Republican victory is all about racism and hatred and racism. And he was like, no, you know, if you go through Wisconsin and you see that, you know, the diners close and there's this thing and the people and the guy.
And he made an economic case for what was happening. And I was like, that's what happened.
That's what happened. Amazing.
Cause he actually slipped up and told the truth once, right? Just like Jon Stewart, when he slipped up and told you the truth about the COVID virus, then I guess Chris Matthews didn't get his mind right. They had to make an example out of them.
Cause that's what that was. Fascinating.
Oh, I'm so glad I asked that question. Yeah.
So there's a zero tolerance policy for certain truths.

I mean, it's absolute zero tolerance.

Like you can spend 40 years if you're Chris Matthews

carrying water for a bunch of dumb politicians

pretty reliably.

And then you say one thing about economics

that's true and you're done.

Yeah.

And, or look at, you know, look at Mehdi Hassan.

He thought he was insulated

because he lied about the Syrian war. He lied about the Ukraine war.
He lied about COVID. He lied about Russiagate.
He did all that for the establishment. So he thought that had bought him some little insulation to tell a little truth about Palestine.
And he, no, you're fired. And that was that.
You know what I'm talking about. I do, yeah.
And that was, he's like, no, dummy. You don't get to tell even a little bit of truth, especially one that's consequential.
So do you think, I mean, it just looks like if you look at the Rogan numbers, for example, or your numbers, for example, it does feel like the era of those news organizations, which I will never stop being angry at because I worked at them, But it does feel like their era's over. Well, it's funny is that my numbers that keep going up on Rumble, YouTube has, I'm considered borderline content.
Really? Yeah, oh yeah. And so they have ratcheted down the algorithm on me, even though I still managed to get between 15 and 20 million views a month.
I used to, I was getting 24, 25. Now they've gotten me ratcheted down to 15.
And, you know, I remember I had a discussion with some people at YouTube and I'm like, hey, this isn't a, what's going on? Is there anything, I said, I'm on bended knee. Is there anything I can do to get off this algorithm that I've been put on? And it just got way worse during the election season.
And the response was, well, it's the election season. And so everybody's numbers in this space are down.
I'm like, that's like saying I should be selling less toys during Christmas season.

Exactly. I mean, this is my numbers to be going

through the loop. Less ice cream in August.

I mean, I understand.

YouTube got the hell scared out

of them in 2017 because

we are a threat.

Like, now you're independent, I'm independent.

We are a threat to the New York Times,

to MSNBC. We do get more higher ratings than especially Joe Rogan.
That's why they come at them so hard is because we're a threat to their business model. So they have to discredit us.
And the way they do it is they scare the advertisers away from shows like ours, right? That's the, I mean, there's a story that just came out. That's how they wanted to, the Labor Party in the UK had a plan to kill Elon Musk's Twitter by scaring advertisers away, right? And so that's exactly what they did.
It was called the adpocalypse. It happened on YouTube in 2017.
And it's been, you know, a tough slog ever since. But we still break through.
People still are hungry for, they're just hungry for honesty, right? Even like I say, I would say half my audience doesn't share a lot of my politics, but they appreciate that I'm not lying to them, and that I don't call them racists, and I don't hate them, I respect them, and that I tell them we share, we all want the same things, but we just have different ways of getting there. Well, I feel that way about you.
I mean, I actually do agree with a lot of what you say, not all, of course, but I think you're sincere and serious and brave. And those are the three qualities that I look for in my friends and in people I trust in media.
Why wouldn't I? Sincere, not lying to me, maybe wrong, but not lying. Serious, like trying to honestly, like what are the big issues? What actually matters? I think that's important.
And brave, not going to get pushed around. Like, I don't know.
I don't think it's that hard, right? I mean, they've certainly tried to push me around. You know, I got, when I spoke at the UN Security Council, I was invited to speak on the anniversary of the Nord Stream pipeline bombing.
That's the funniest act of industrial terrorism in history because Putin did it. Putin is so evil that he blew up his own pipeline.
He's not an evil genius. He's an evil moron, I guess.
He blew up his number one economic stream.

But so when I did, and I spoke in blunt language to the security council about, you know, if you think Russia did this, you're either a paid liar or a dupe. And on my way, so I did that via Zoom because I was in Europe at the time.
And on my way home on the plane, my computer and my iCloud account got hacked. And it was from Pegasus, right? Now, Pegasus was invented by the Mossad.
And it's very expensive if you want to get it, costs millions of dollars. And they can...
Anyway, I remember when I got off the plane, I called my IT guy who used to be a security specialist for the military. And I told him what happened.
And he was like, oh my God, Jimmy, he goes, even I couldn't do that. He said, this wasn't a person.
This was a state actor. And I said, well, maybe I shouldn't have given that speech at the security council.
And he laughed and I go, no, I just did that. He goes, oh my God, that's what this course.
And so that was, and then they also put my name in that list

of that kill list, Ukraine, right?

Has that kill list, which-

Been there, yeah.

You're on.

And so these are the,

and so now they have everything.

So if they want to turn it on me,

they've got everything that was ever on my hard drive,

everything that's on my computer,

my phone, on my iCloud account.

So if they want to compromise me,

they got a lot of stuff. They they got a lot of stuff they've

got a lot of stuff and stuff and if they're and of course they'll plant it on there right I'm if it's if it's not you know they'll they'll make it they'll make me look however they want to make me look yeah I mean I I don't have a computer and I try and stay off the internet for that exact reason and I just want to say

out loud many

times that I think

kiddie porn is wrong and I think I'm not

into pornography in general and I just want to say I mean I you see these people um without even

naming names but one of whom I know personally it's like all of a sudden you know you're into

kiddie porn okay right yeah uh yeah no I mean for sure for sure I mean I've seen it I know uh

Thank you. a sudden you know you're into kiddie porn okay right yeah uh yeah no i mean for sure for sure i mean i've seen it i know uh having been the target of that stuff and you don't want to whine about it i never want to seem like i'm whining i have a great life and i feel really privileged to have the job that i do but no there's heavy very heavy stuff going on there's no i just always wanted to be a comedian out of the god tucker i just wanted to be a comedian and be able to sell tickets and tour and have people like me because I was funny.
That's all I ever wanted. And somehow, well, when I did my special in 2008, it was called Citizen Jimmy on Comedy Central.
And that got some attention. And so I just got, it was the Iraq war that made me get interested.
Like I couldn't believe how bad the cable news was reporting this stuff. So I just started talking about it in my act.
And a lot of people reacted positively to it. And when I started, I got offered my own public radio show in Los Angeles on KPFK.
And I started just doing what I do now. And I realized that I could do it way better than anybody in the corporate news because I don't have that mind control.

First of all, they pre-select those people.

Just like I said, they come from Ivy League.

You know, there's two types of people who go to journalism school, dupes and bad journalists.

Couldn't agree more.

And they all come from the same class. I've never hired one.
And good. In 30 years of, you know, being in more than 30 years being this business, I've never hired a single person.
Journalism school. It's a trade, not a profession.
It's, by the way, the most straightforward trade there is. Yes.
And they want you to make you like, you're not a professional. I've had people say

that's what you're not a journalist. I'm like, all a journalist is, as it was described to me,

is you stick your head and you take a look down the street and you report back what you saw.

That's exactly right.

That's all journalism is.

And you do it with a high level of honesty and a dollop of courage, but it's just not hard. If

you're really smart, you can fix air conditioners. If you're less smart,

you can do journalism.

I mean, no, that's real.

That's such a great way to put it.

That's really funny.

Well, it's true.

Okay, so I'm interested,

and I think you might know the answer.

If Trump wins in a week,

a little over a week,

and I think he will,

what?

I don't see how they're going to let him win.

I don't. If they would overthrow to let him win.
I don't.

If they would overthrow governments in every other part of the world and rig elections and do coups and Juan Guaido and the whole and Zelensky. And I mean, they're willing to start a nuclear war.
Why wouldn't they be willing to rig an election? Well, I think they have and they're trying. Yeah.
But I think maybe

there's a

level of popular support that's just hard to hide.

And I think we're reaching that point.

But, okay,

let's start at my assumption first

then, and then we'll return to yours. So let's say Trump

does win on

November 5th and

he wins all seven battlegrounds. Maybe he gets

the majority of the popular vote. Maybe he gets the majority of the Hispanic vote.
I mean, markers like that that are kind of hard to lie away. Right.
Even if you're Joe Scarborough, like what do you do with a number like that? How does the democratic party respond? The establishment respond? I bet they just doubled down on everything that they really. Yeah.
Are you kidding? Yeah. They lost him the first time.
And I'm like, well, this is going to force them to change. It didn't.
They invented Russiagate. They ramped up the racism.
That's so unhealthy. If you fail, I've been fired a lot at a drinking problem.
But that's when you stop and you say, how did this happen? How was I part of this disaster? What bad choices did I make? To what extent was it my fault? You have to do that. That's what it is to be an adult, right? You can't always blame other people for your problems.
It's amazing how many people aren't adults. That's what COVID taught me.
That's what Russiagate taught me. That's what every January 6th, Syria, Ukraine.
I mean, it's amazing. People are propagandized.
They don't think they are. That's the problem.
They think. And I had something to tell you about it, but I can't remember.
But when he won the first time in 16. I thought that was going to make them change.
They just got way worse. They got in chaos.
And I mean, why do you think there's an open border? There's many reasons. One is we can't meet our recruiting goals for the military.
Exactly. Thank you for saying that.
That's what this is. That's a big part of what this is.
And I'm not making that up. Dick Durbin said it on this Senate floor into a camera.
That we got to have these immigrants so we can meet our recruiting goals. Let's give them guns.
Yeah, they're not going to be a of of the state against the population and then the pentagon makes it legal for the military to murder american citizens are you joking yep and and another part is of course no one says anything about it it's as soon as unions start to get some power right uh they open the border and flood the country with immigrants. And so now we have workers,

desperate poor workers. Now their ire is turned towards even more desperate people, right? So we put sanctions on Venezuela to try to overthrow their government because it turns out there's more oil underneath Venezuela than there is Saudi Arabia.
And so all of a sudden we got to bring their people some democracy.

And, you know, why don't we let Venezuela work it out?

Because we don't want to let them work it out.

We want to install a puppet so we could get their natural resources.

So we put sanctions on.

And the whole point of sanctions is to make the people who live there miserable.

So they get so miserable.

And the idea is they'll rise up and overthrow their leader. And then we can install a puppet.
It's never worked. Not one time.
Not one time has it worked. They're trying to do it to Iran.
Not going to work. Russia.
And Russia, it's not working. And so those people then do become miserable and then they flood our own country as immigrants and they fly some of them in on jets, you know, and same thing with Haiti.
We've been wrecking their economy. And, you know, I mean, Hillary Clinton made sure they didn't get a minimum wage.
Right. And she did.
It's unbelievable what we've done. We've stolen their natural resources.
We stole their gold. We've occupied their country right now.
Joe Biden is bribing the corrupt government of Kenya to send their peacekeepers over to Haiti because the war,

the people are coming together in Haiti to realize that they have more in common and to oppose these puppet regime.

And so Joe Biden doesn't want to send the Marines.

He literally gave $400 million to Kenya.

You send your people,

go break up this up.

So what my point is,

do people come to America and the mistake is to turn your ire towards the immigrant which is what the establishment wants right i would do exactly if i was in venezuela i'd get the hell out of there and come here and try to get a job if i was in haiti i'd get the hell out of there and try to come here and get a job especially if i'm being encouraged to which they they are paid it. Paid to do it, yeah.
So the key is to make sure you don't lose your focus, come together, and keep your eye on the establishment that's creating those desperate people and opening the border and creating chaos. And let's remember, chaos always favors the establishment.
And so it makes you, this isn't different, right? You know, Mao did a very similar thing that he split, he did divide and conquer. Can I just ask you a question, chaos always favors the establishment.
Yes. Chaos always favors the establishment.
And if you feel like you're living in a chaotic country, it's because it's intentional. It's so true.
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We're proud't do it. The good people were the people who did what they were supposed to, right? And if everybody just did what they were supposed to, we'd have this utopia.

But we can't have it because the bad people won't do it, right?

Well, just like with COVID, right?

Now, Rob Schneider makes this point, right, in his book, which is fantastic.

That like during COVID, it was like we could get out of this pandemic if those bad people would just take a vaccine, which was always a lie.

You could never vaccinate your way out of this pandemic. You could never get rid of the coronavirus.
And they couldn't. But that was a lie.
But that kept them. And then so that's how they kept people divided and conquer.
And that's what so that's what's going on. Right.
It's why can Gavin Newsom all of a sudden clean up homelessness in San Francisco when he's having the president of China visit, but he can't do it before and he certainly can't do it after. That's all.
I mean, of course. So chaos favors the estate.
They want it that way. They want people living under bridges.
They want you being accosted by meth heads when you're going to the 7-Eleven.

They want you begging for authority.

They want you to be willing to give up freedoms, just like people were during COVID. You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, screw your freedom.
Remember that? Famously, he said. Get out of our country.
Screw your freedom. Yeah, I agree.
What? Why would I want to screw my freedom? Because that's exactly what, Mal, did you split everybody up? The Austrian rose to the surface in short story. And so that's what this is.
And they want us not coming. And it's true.
Like me and you coming together on Syria, on Ukraine, on COVID. This is a threat to the establishment.
They have to divide and conquer. They can't let that happen.
I just,

one time,

uh,

I remember,

uh,

I interviewed,

it was,

I think it was during the black lives matter riots.

I interviewed,

there was a guy I saw at the Michigan Capitol and,

uh,

he was a boogaloo boy.

Now the boogaloo boy was a,

they were a response to the proud boys,

right?

So they were,

they didn't want to be associated with them. They didn't, They were anti-war.
They were anti-police brutality. They were actually, they provided security for Black Lives Matter protesters.
And he went to the Capitol, gave a speech. We have more in common than separates us.
We are brothers. We have common interests.
And he was there with someone from an LGBTQ organization. He was there with a Black Lives Matter person and a Boogaloo boy.
So I interviewed that Boogaloo boy. That was the worst thing I could have ever done.
They came at me like I had never been come after. I had written articles about me.
Jimmy Dore's a leader of the dirtbag left, and he's in bed with alt-right and these right-wingers and Nazis. yeah and I was like no no no I just interviewed a guy who by the way the dirty secret is those guys like those Boogaloo boys used to be Democratic voters 25 years ago and they're not anymore and they don't want you to ever talk about why they're not anymore because they've been their backs have been the Democratic Party turned their back on them right And so I brought that guy on and I got murdered on social media, corporate news pieces hit jobs, people.
It was videos made about me to the end of the day. And all I did was, I remember I tweeted out, I go, hey, I just interviewed a Boogaloo boy.
We agree on war. We agree on LGBTQ.
We agree on black black life we agree on all that go isn't that weird and boy i got ray showed i got uh you know i i trended for probably a week uh they could not the establishment cannot have that they cannot have you coming together and that's the message that's my message no, you're not my enemy. You're my neighbor.

And you are hurting just like I am.

We're under the same, you know, just like during COVID is what I tell people during my show.

You know, the establishment did a controlled demolition of our economy, which flattened everybody except a handful of millionaires and billionaires.

And they want me to be angry and hate my neighbor for the pain I'm feeling because of that, because they wouldn't take a vaccine that didn't work the way they said it did in the first place. Well, I'm not going to hate my neighbor.
I'm going to join with my neighbor because we share a common enemy. And that's the only way to get this out of this hellhole and this death spiral that our country's on right now.
We're in the end stage republic and people don't realize that they think Trump's the problem. They think Trump is a problem.
trump is a people willing to vote for trump is a system of a uniparty problem that has been squashing workers for the last 50 years i've had people say to me you know jimmy january 6 undermine our democracy i'm like you know you're adorable because we don't live in a democracy we live in a flat-out oligarchy which was proven by a princeton study over 10 years ago your democracy was stolen by corporations 50 years ago when are you going to get pissed off about that is it that people don't want to see how deep the rod is how big the problem is it's just too much for them to metabolize why it's hard for them to believe that barack obama was a problem like oh wait a minute he's you know i've had people he's the best president of my lifetime no he was the best speaker he was he made you feel good he was again there's a reason why he got more money from wall street than john mccain it was a reason why he instituted a right-wing health care plan is a reason why he let the pro he let him play it out at dapple is a reason why he dropped more bombs than george bush it was a reason why he destroyed li. He destroyed Libya.
And he's like, oh, that was a mistake. And they're going to prosecute people who, a lot of them peacefully protested on January 6th.
But Dick Cheney, they go, oh, it's about the rule of law. Why does Dick Cheney and George Bush still walk to Europe? Barack Obama was supposed to prosecute them.
Because they ordered a worldwide torture program, right? And Barack Obama's constitutionally required to prosecute them because they ordered a worldwide torture program, right?

And Barack Obama's constitutionally

required to prosecute them,

and he didn't.

And the public reason he gave

was because he said all those

torture crimes happened in the past,

and Barack Obama was looking

towards the future.

And, well, when I heard that,

I felt a lot better

because all the crimes I've committed,

they're in the past, too.

I'm glad we're not prosecuting past crimes. I bet those people in prison are pissed off they committed their crimes in the future.
But even that we're having this conversation, and I'm not just saying this to inject a note of optimism, but because I think I believe it. The fact that we're having this conversation suggests that the level of consciousness is very different from what it was.

I think COVID woke people up.

Exactly. So how can you...
What happened to monkeypox? What happened to bird flu? Was it always test balloons? Do you think people go along with it? And then people did it and they're like, all right, get rid of it. No, but that's the thing.
I just, I don't think people are going to go along. I mean, if they come back, you know, in eight days or whenever it is on November 6th and say, you know, Kamala Harris is a historic first.
She's just incredibly popular, got more votes than Barack Obama. I'm just going to say, no, that didn't happen.
Like you're lying and I'm sick of having to go along being bullied into repeating your lies. And I think a lot of people are in that frame of mind also.
Do you? Well, you see the media is getting more panicked and they're getting more desperate. They should be panicked.
Yeah, you see what's going on. They're quizlings.
They're collaborators with the totalitarian regime and they should be panicked. A hundred percent, right? And you see the things they want to focus on instead of what people want them to focus on.
You see when MSNBC will go and they'll interview some regular voters in like Wisconsin or Michigan and they keep bringing up, they'll bring up January 6th and people are like, what? What are you talking about? Like that doesn't affect my life. Who cares? Who cares about that? You know who does care about that? You.
The liberals, the media, and then the people who watch that media are taught that they're supposed to care because we almost lost our democracy, which again, I already pointed out, you don't live in a democracy. You're a chump.
It was unarmed. You can't have an unarmed insurrection.
These were old ladies deep in debt with diabetes who believed in the Constitution. You could say they were wrong to think the election was stolen.
OK, that's a real debate. Happy to have that debate.
But they believe that they were not sinister. There was an FBI.
Yes, that was just a regular riot that was allowed to happen and encouraged to happen by the FBI plants in the crowd. And how do I know that? Well, because Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI, was under congressional testimony and he was asked, did you have FBI assets dressed up as MAGA supporters inside the Capitol before the riot started? And he said, I can't answer that question.
Which means

yes. The answer should be no.

Which is what the congressman said. The answer should

be no. Well, the answer should be

we're not going to continue to fund your agency

if you don't answer

the question. And we're certainly not going to build you

a brand new building, which they did.

Speaker of the House Mike Johnson signed off

on to his eternal shame.

One of the many things for which he should be ashamed. Anyway, but yeah, no, it's, but again, we're kind of proving the point that underlies my question, which is everybody kind of knows what's up now.
So how can you continue? I hope so. I just hope so because we, we travel in different circles, right? And, you know, I'm in liberal Hollywood and your other places.

Really show in your world.

People are still, they're hypnotized.

They're in a trance.

Even now?

Yeah, look at the media.

I mean, they think the media is real.

They think it's the news.

Yes, in Hollywood.

Yes.

Yes, in Los Angeles.

So what happens when you're at a dinner party and you start dropping stuff like this? I don't get invited to dinner parties. Oh, is that true? Yeah.
You're eating sushi alone in Ventura Boulevard? That's correct. That's correct, yes.
No, I mean, I hang out with other heretics, you know? Really? Yeah. You do want, like, how could you still be hypnotized after all of, like, I get, okay, this virus shows up from China.
You think it's, you know, got a 50% death rate or whatever. People are afraid, I understand.
But, you know, four years later, really? You still think that's real? You know what the real death rate was? 0.27%. It was like less than half a percent.
And know that's the thing about bill gates right um he he wants to make it by the way illegal uh to misinform right he's like well we always had we've always had restrictions on free and he talks with his hands which is first sign of a liar and he's saying he's talking like that's true i don't know i'm making it up but um he he does have like oh grandiose hand gestures which is it that's that yeah it is a bad sign um he um and he says he said we've always had restrictions on speech you know you can't threaten someone's life and uh you know you shouldn't be allowed to uh uh misinform someone on vaccines to make. What did you just conflate? You just conflated death threats against someone and talking about the vaccine.
Do you see that? And he's a number one investor. And so people don't know this, but as soon as Bill Gates, he invested $50 million in Pfizer and then it went up during COVID and he cashed out at $550 million.
And as soon as he cashed out, he started shitting on the vaccine. I don't know if you saw the video, but he was, I play this on my show all the time.
He said, well, we didn't know at the beginning that it had a low fatality rate and that it affected mostly just the elderly, kind of like the flu, but a bit different. Now, they don't play that on MSNBC, CNN, they don't play that anywhere.
Right. I play it on my show.
Right. Which is why I'm borderline content.
And but there it is. And I'm like, well, why would and he's like, yeah, there was a lot of problems with the vaccine.
They weren't infection blocking. They didn't have long term.
And I'm like, whoa, whoa. All he had to do was cash in his stock and he immediately starts telling the truth.
But I'm like, I bet there's something else up. And soon enough, immediately after that, he started selling this new vaccine that you inhaled through your nose.
And he said, these are better. These are infection blocking and these are long lasting.
And I'm like, well, let's see. He's invested in the company that's making that out of India.
But why? I mean, this is the point where I get religious because I don't understand why someone like Bill Gates or Larry Fink or really any of these people who have multiple billion dollars would care about making more money. I think that's really diseased.
Like that is money worship. I'm not against being rich.
I like making money, I guess, but not that much,

but some. I like not being in debt.
Okay, I get that. I want people to have more money.

But if you've got billions of dollars, why would you spend any time making more? I think that's

really sick. Well, I think that it's a game to these.
It's what gives their life meaning.

They don't have any other meaning, right? I mean, except for covering up his trips

Thank you. She's gay.
Gay people don't lie. Chris Hayes is a nerd.
He wouldn't lie to you. That's why they got those people.
He's trans, yeah. That's why they got those people.
Because exactly you wouldn't think they would lie to you and that's why they hired them. And then go along so same thing with which uh bill gates i mean he is never he was an inventor he wasn't particularly but he was a he was a good monopolist and he knew how to crush other businesses he didn't write the code he bought the code and uh and he he knew how to become a monopolist right there were times when people were throwing pies in his face do you remember that very well and the media had turned against him and so he had like well i can't let this happen so then he started by the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars he started buying off media companies and he started starting journalism schools and people yeah stuff like so like uh for instance pbs news hour didn't have like a science segment.
He funded it, right? And so then he would... Bill Gates funded PBS science coverage? Yeah.
So he's there funding the creation of the research for a vaccine. He then funds the coverage of that.
And then he funds the NGO that's going to distribute the vaccine. I mean, he's got it coming and going.
You know that he's co-opted the media. That's why he's seen as a media darling now.
People think he's a great guy. You know, I've had, again, people say, Jimmy, he's just trying to end malaria in Africa.
He's trying to, he's like, well, if you listen to exactly what has happened, and why there's certain country, countries that don't want to do business. In fact, I think there's lawsuits against him in other countries.
And if what he actually did in what he actually did in Africa, listen to Bobby Kennedy, he'll tell you what I'm not an expert on it. But I've listened to Bobby Kennedy talking.
It's nefarious. It's gross.
And it's egregious. So I think he's just a megalomaniac.
And yeah, I think that that doesn't go away, right? That's where he gets his life meaning from. But these, I guess what I'm saying is...
I mean, what about Jeff Bezos? He hasn't made enough money? He's not stopping. Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, I mean, come on.
What do you make of speaking of Bezos? And all these guys who care about global warming. Like Jeff Zuckerberg, or Mark Zuckerberg.
Do you see his new yacht? Because he cares about global warming. Because he cares about, it's got four diesel engines on it.
But I bet he's got an electric stove on it. I mean, well, I mean, I think the purpose of those yachts is, well, to go to the South of France in the summertime, which is fun, but also it's to escape the mess that they're making now.
Yeah. Obviously.
But Zuckerberg's is five feet shorter than Bezos, because, you know, he's a man of the people. So what do you make? So Bezos's paper, the Washington Post, which is the official organ of the intel agencies and has been for many, many decades, refused to endorse Kamala Harris.
And Bezos has taken, you know, Bob Kagan, one of the dumbest people in Washington, Tori Newland's husband, former coworker of mine, truly a mouth breather, like an idiot. but he resigns in protest because democracy is dying in darkness because they didn't endorse Carmela Harris or something.
What do you make of all this? Well, it's funny to watch the liberal class wake up to the fact that hey, maybe it's not a good idea to have a handful of billionaires run our media. Oh, what? You mean he's doing this for business interests? Yes.
That's why he's doing this because he wants to have to continue his billions and billions of dollars of contracts with the CIA and the government. And he's afraid that Trump will step in the way of that.
Plus, he's now wanted to do the space. That's why Elon Musk is a threat to him, right? And doing contracts with the government for space exploration and that kind of stuff.
That's what this is about. That's exactly what this is about.
And so the same thing happened with the LA Times, you know, like, oh, there's another billionaire that owns it. Maybe we shouldn't have billionaires.
And so they were okay with it as long as he was going along. Do you think Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post because he's committed to the truth? Are you kidding me? He's got there because he needs to manufacture consent.
He's got that because he wants to control the narrative. That's what that's about.
And as long as it went along with their hate, they were okay with it, right? And how does this coalition, the Democratic coalition hold together? It's got a bunch of different component parts, rich white ladies obviously being the pivotal component, but lots of others, poor black people, immigrants, gays. But it is falling apart.
Well, those, here's just my meta view of it as a complete outsider. These are groups don't have common interests.
So I'm not really sure other than like hating straight white men, which is not really a reason to have a party over over time it's not that interesting or meaningful really what like how could you hold that coalition together um they're just they're just doing it with propaganda and hatred and the fear right fear works and um but is it falling apart well i i'm pretty sure i saw a headline the other day that said that trump is winning the Hispanic vote. That's like, I mean, yeah, that's incredible.
Like just, he's not making the most gains. I'm pretty sure, fact check me on that.
But, you know, more black people are voting for him than any other Republican. And it's, hopefully people are waking up that the Democratic rule isn't materially improving their lives.
And I think a lot of people, I think Hispanics, I mean, are against illegal immigration. Oh, big time.
Oh, big time they are. That's for real.
Oh, yeah. For lots of different reasons, moral and practical, they're against it.
How patronizing to assume that you'd be for crime just because you share the same sounding last name as the people committing. And it's like insane.
That's so, talk about racist. Well, what is, you know, the whole thing of that, which I'm surprised Trump doesn't make a bigger deal out of, is that, you know, Trump did the STEP Act, which released a lot of nonviolent black people from prison, which is the opposite of what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did.
Joe Biden wrote the crime bill. He still brags about it, won't apologize for it, which is why black and brown people are locked up at way higher rates than their population.
And Kamala Harris kept black and brown people in prison after a federal judge ordered her to release them in California three times. And her office argued in court that we have to keep them in prison because it would upset the prison labor force.
So what she's literally doing is, I need to keep them as slaves. I mean, that's what she did.
She kept black and brown people in prison for slavery because that's what it is. And Trump never brings that up.
It's weird. I don't know, maybe because he feels like it will make her seem more a fighter of crime, but she's actually, I mean, she targeted black single mothers when she was going to, she went after and prosecuted the parents of truants.
And who did she target? She targeted black single parents. And I've covered it on my show.

She did that.

And then she called out the press

to go and cover it

when they were being perp walked.

Single mothers, black mothers.

And the one woman who I covered,

her daughter had sickle cell anemia.

She was in hospital.

And everybody knew this.

Kamala Harris didn't care.

She sent the cops to go arrest her. And she lost her house.
She lost her job. Her kid had a stroke.
That's who Kamala Harris is, right? That's who she always has been. And that's who Joe Biden is.
And it's funny how they can flip that script on Trump. I tried to remind people that, hey, you know, the reason why black and brown people are locked up isn't because of Donald Trump.
It's because of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. And they just can't compute.
It just goes against, you know, whenever I've had, I'll have a conversation with someone from my old life and I'll do an information dump like this on them. And I'll never forget, I just had a conversation with a comedian friend of mine and there was just like a long silent pause and he goes, that's a lot to think about.
What does that mean? That's a lot to think about. It means I'm not going to think about it.
Yeah, it means I'm not going to think about it. It's too much and there's no way you could be telling me the truth.
But I'm not going to look into it because that would be doing my own research, Tucker. And you're not supposed to do your own research.
No, we've got mom to do that for us. Let me just insert another.
I'm trying to break the wall of pessimism here. So Bobby Kennedy, if you had checked in with any American who knew who Bobby Kennedy was for the last 20 years and said, who's Bobby Kennedy? He's the guy who falsely connects vaccines with autism.
And that's why he was not allowed in the New York Times. That's why he was called a Nazi.
It's kind of speaking of drummed out of polite society. He was after that Rolling Stone piece about 20 years ago, connecting autism with vaccines.
Even the, even the autism organizations denounced him. That's how in the tank they are.
But you never hear anybody criticize him for that anymore. It does feel like there has been a change, even in the media, on that question.
There has been. I saw a guy on CNBC the other day, like some CEO, talk about 72 shots.
He's like, that's exactly.

Did you see that? No, I didn't. But I see people who, well, even I was never against vaccine.
I mean, I've never spent four minutes thinking about vaccines. Right.
So, but I see, but because of my job, I had to, but I see people who are very normal people who don't think it's outrageous just to ask, is there a connection between the vaccine schedule and the rise in autism? That wall seems to have been breached. People's minds seem more open.
Am I imagining this? Well, it used to be people like Jim Carrey. Well, exactly.
It used to be people like Robert De Niro. Really? Oh, Robert De Niro.
I have a clip of him on the Today Show. There was that movie, I think it was the first Unvaxxed or something like that, that was supposed to play at his Soho Film Festival.
And there was a big, they didn't want it to air. They didn't want him to show it.
And he was on the Today Show and he's like, there's something there. You have to look at it.
There's something there. This is a direct quote.
No way. Yeah, if that video's out there, I've showed it on my show.
And then all of a sudden he got the phone call and that was that. He never talked about it again.
And that film didn't get, in fact, I had the guy who did the film on my show. That film didn't air.
And that was that. Yeah.
So it used to be people like that. And yeah, there were like, and I remember just in the interest of full disclosure and honesty and repentance, I remember making fun of them.

Me too.

So that's where I was at the time, which was unthinking and stupid and reactionary.

And I apologize for that.

But I just, again, I feel like there's been a massive change just on the ground, as we say, with normal people and their willingness to entertain new ideas. Well, when, you know, autism goes from 1 in 10,000 to now, the last I saw was in California.
It's like 1 in 22, some crazy low number like that. I think enough people have been affected and touched by it that they are questioning.
And so, you know, I used to always say, you know, conservatives can't understand a problem until it affects them directly, but it turns out it's everybody. Yeah, that's right.
It turns out that's everybody. So when it affects you directly, meaning me, you know, I didn't look into COVID policy until I got vaccine injured.
And then as soon as I got vaccine injured, I was like, I was put into a study and one of the drugs was ivermectin that they were giving me. And I was like, hey, and then they explained to me, Jimmy, this is on the WHO list of essential medicines.
It won the Nobel Prize. It's been prescribed billions of times.
That's not what they told me on MSNBC. And before COVID, it was looked at as a miracle drug.

They were saying it could cure cancer.

And I looked at the doctor and I said,

well, why would they be saying this?

And he explained,

because they can't get their emergency use authorization

if this actually treats it,

even though in their own literature,

it says it does treat coronavirus.

And I was like, well, what else are they lying about?

And it turned out, Tucker,

there wasn't a thing they weren't lying about.

They were lying about the origin of the virus.

We all know.

They were lying about funding it.

They were lying about herd immunity.

They were lying about natural immunity.

They were lying about transmission.

They were lying about contraction.

They were lying about masks.

They were lying about lockdowns.

There wasn't anything that they would lie about.

And they were lying about the danger of the vaccine.

That's what I mean. The side effect.
Yeah. And you unfortunately lived that.
Yeah, I still do. Yeah.
So I had nerve damage from it. I had an occipital neuralgia.
Among other things, my blood pressure went through the, I had a one, my blood pressure was 180 over 140. I mean, I was in bad shape.
That's like stroke level. Yeah.
I could have had a stroke. Yeah.
And I thought, I mean i mean who knows i might have had many strokes uh but anyway um so i don't i don't know what the question was but the covid thing is why wow i'd be yeah i just the people's minds are up it's like four years ago if we'd had this conversation even just exactly what you said over the past two minutes that would have been considered like, whoa. First of all, don't talk about your vaccine

injury, you selfish

prick. Like, how dare you?

I had people come at me

on, you know, again, people I know.

Why are you talking about it?

You're going to make people vaccine hesitant.

And I was like, why? They said that to your face?

They said it to me online,

right? Wow. Yeah.

I don't go on Facebook. Facebook

is miserable. I go on

Twitter, right? Because you can actually get news and stuff from there. And people would come at me and attack me on Twitter like that.
I'm just like, you don't know. I mean, I get that you don't know anything about COVID, but why are you so loud about it? Right? No, that's...
Boy, isn't that the truth. Yeah.
And none of that... I mean, some of my favorite comedians.
You you know i've talked about this in my special i talk about it on stage and talk about it on my show but my some of my favorite comedians that i looked up to the in their special they would shame people for trying to get informed about covid and experimental medical treatment they would shame them and i'm like if you're you're shaming people you know you're supposed to shame people for questioning authority. You're supposed to shame people for following rules without questioning authority.
And if you're shaming people for questioning authority, you're not doing comedy. You're selling cars.
I don't know what the hell you're doing. But it broke my heart.
Who did that? I don't want to name names, but they're... But legit comedians.
Legit, the top. The top comics.
I know the late night guys did. Oh, all of them.
All of the, that was shameful. Shameful, disgusting.
It was, and they'll never apologize. They'll never do.
They'll also never recover. They will never recover from that.
Well, it's funny that Greg Goldfeld's now. Creams them all in the 80s.
Well, that's exactly right. Case in point.
Who watches that shit anyway? It's, it it's like hey you want to have some superficial comp it's all like they're all sitting there you say the talking point from the from the studio i'll say the talking point from the studio we'll pretend we're having a real conversation late night talk shows are the most boring stupid vapid they're just unbelievably stupid i know i can't believe who watches is there anybody over 16 years old that watches that stuff no i can't imagine what can you imagine how your brain must be mushed to be able to there's actual shows out there now there's shows like this there's shows like joe roe there's shows where people have real conversations about really interesting things and they're not trying to sell you anything.

I don't get how those shows,

again, but there must be important for the propaganda.

That's why that, you know,

that's what keeps them going, I guess.

They must make money somehow.

I just think we're at a point where the people in charge have really only two options.

One is the one that I hope they'll choose,

which is to look inside and ask,

as every adult should, how did I play a role and what went wrong? You know, what did I, you know, seriously, like, just take a look inside. I mean, that's the basis of AA.
It's why it's the basis of joy, actually. So they do that, or they have to use real force to get people to comply.
They can no longer do it through propaganda exclusively or through any kind of consent manufacturer or real they have to just go right to force because people just don't believe it anymore they have no authority did force during covid they forced you you couldn't travel you couldn't go to work they fired people like i said you know 70 000 health care workers yes they used force but they had had the capos in the population enforcing it. Yeah, the PMCs.
A hundred percent. And I just feel like that, some of whom, all of whom have my contempt, I will say, and all of whom should apologize, but many of whom were totally sincere in believing that the lady at the grocery store without the mask was a threat to everyone's life.
They really believed that i believed it a lot of people did a lot i got in a fight with my brother over over it because i thought he was being reckless and uh selfish right selfish yeah yeah and being dumb and i was oh i was so i was that person i so i i have compassion for those people who are propagandized yes yes i do too but. Because I was one of them.
But I just think that that population is really small now. So if you want to continue with your fake democracy, if you want to continue looting the country, you just kind of have to pull out the gun and say, obey.
At this point, they really have to go to force. And I think that's why they've now allowed the Pentagon to murder american citizens who won't comply i mean i don't what's the other explanation yeah that that it's almost seems too crazy to believe right well they did it i mean that just happened that's real yeah i saw it i'm like boy if i didn't that they're not not doing it for i mean they're doing it for a reason that's how you think they're like oh're getting ready, right? They're getting ready to do so I thought, my first thought was they're getting ready to throw the election and then when people protest, they're going to go in and squelch it and say, look, these people are all, just like we said, they're always violent.
They're doing January 6th, but they're doing it on a grander scale. That's what I think.
I could be wrong. That's just a guess.
But they're doing it not for a good reason. Not for a good reason.

Well, I just don't think they're sort of out of options.

And we may look back wistfully at a time when they can control the population with CNN.

You know, when Wolf Blitzer was enough to get people to obey.

And now that, you know, it's a joke.

They're all a joke.

But we know they're a joke.

The kidnapper has taken off his mask. Like, he doesn't have any choice.
He has to kill us. Well, that's why digital currency is such a big deal, I think, because they can control you through digital currency.
And, I mean, look what they did to the truckers in Canada. They cut off their funds, and now you can't do anything.
You can't go anywhere. And even people who donated to them got in trouble and got their funds frozen.
So if they can their bitcoin and they froze people's bitcoin how did they do that through the exchanges oh i thought that was the whole no beauty of bitcoin that's what i thought too that's what i thought too and i think it could be the beauty i'm not attacking bitcoin just to be clear but a lot of the crypto people if you ask them directly i was at the crispo conference in august in August in Nashville because I care about it. I said, well, wait a second.
I thought the promise of Bitcoin was autonomy. And they're like, well, yeah, you can have autonomy.
And I said, well, how about you make it easy for me to conduct business in Bitcoin? Simple transactions. You know what I mean? Buy a car in Bitcoin.
That's not a Tesla, you know? And keep it private because it's my money. I made the money.
There's no reason the government should have any role in it at all. I should be able to do it secretly.
And that's what you told me I was going to be able to do. It's not just a pump and dump scheme, you sleazeball.
It's not just about you getting rich and moving to Puerto Rico to pay no taxes. It's about returning freedom to the population of the freest country in the world.
That's what you told me it was. And they're like, well, you could do that,

but you have to have a wallet, whatever.

I mean, it's just somebody,

and I think a lot of the Bitcoin people

are totally sincere and great people,

and I'm not, you know,

but somebody needs to make it easy

for the average person to use Bitcoin as intended,

which is as a vehicle for financial freedom,

as a way to evade control.

Yeah, evade control.

We need to do that soon, I think.

Well, what's happening in El Salvador?

A lot's happening.

That's great.

I mean, again, I'm not attacking Bitcoin,

and the promise of Bitcoin is the promise of freedom,

and I support it vehemently.

We need that because digital currency,

they're already implementing it voluntarily.

They're going to track your carbon purchases on your credit card. Have you seen this? No.
Yeah. They're starting to implement it voluntarily.
And they're going to let you know your carbon purchases. And so they've already got a plan in place.
They've already have mechanisms to do this. Of course.
And so all they can say is, you know, I foresee a day not too far away where they say, hey, you know, we don't like how you're spending your money. Of course.
It's too much carbon, so we're going to freeze and you can't spend it on the things you want to spend it on and you got to do this and you got to get an electric stove and electric stoves are the dumb, and we got to get an electric car and where does the power for that electric car come from? A coal plant. And it's just so...
No, no, actually a coal plant. Yeah, I know.
It's crazy what's going on. They've been fed a bill of goods.
And by the way, I read an article that said that when you get like a Tesla or an electric car, that's the equivalent of having 20 refrigerators in your house, right? So they already have an energy crisis. Whenever it hits 90 degrees in california they're like hey everybody be careful they can't handle the electric the electric kid can't handle so if everybody got an electric car anyway it would you couldn't do it so i don't understand so this is all good and this is just propaganda and the people who are telling you uh that you have to uh be tracked on your digital your carbon footprint and drive electric cars and use electric stoves and you can't use a gas powered leaf blower anymore are the same people who don't ban private jet travel, which is going through the roof, literally through the roof.
And they're like, and then they'll say, well, I buy carbon offsets. No, but if you really thought global warming was real, you wouldn't apply the private jet because you know that's contributing.
You would buy the carbon offset anyway. You'd be trying to do so.
The people who keep telling me about this, like John Kerry and Bill Gates, they don't really believe it. Not for one second.
Even if you believe in carbon based climate change, any of their solutions are bullshit. They're false prophets.
They're fake clergy. Yes.
And I don't, so, after Russiagate, after Ukraine, after Syria, after COVID, I don't believe anything that they say including when it comes to climate change. I don't believe them.
Of course not. And it's just, it's about control.
It's incumbent on them to prove it to me. So my last question is to get a snapshot of where we think, where you think we're going.

Election is, you know, imminent.

How many people do you know liberals, former, you know, progressive types are voting for Trump?

Well, the ones that come, ones that I meet doing comedy.

Again, not many in Hollywood.

Still, really?

No.

Come on.

No, no, no.

No.

I mean, I've had people,

I'll have people secretly admit to me they got vaccine injured.

The secretly.

They won't say it out loud.

Like I'll come off stage

and there'll be a famous comedian.

I won't say.

And they'll say,

yeah, I got shingles in my eye when I got the vaccine and stuff like that. And I'm like, you don't talk about it? No.
Oh, I've had people email me and say, hey, keep talking about it. I got myocarditis.
No way. Yes.
So they've so internalized the guilt and shame from CNN that they can't even admit that they were a victim of a crime? They don't want to be ostracized from polite society. I mean, you can't do that.

How is it different from a woman saying I was gang raped, but I can't tell anybody because I'll be blamed for it. That's sick.
It's sick. It is sick.
I agree with you. So, you know, my audience is different.
So when I go out and I travel, I meet all types of people. People come to my audience, come to my shows, and I meet them.
and they range from hippies to ex-military to police to firemen to labor organizers to nurses to teachers. And so they're all done, right? So they're done definitely with the liberal intelligentsia, and they see through it.
But I don't know if that necessarily means they're going to vote for Donald Trump, but they're certainly done with. When Trump invites Sean O'Brien, head of the Teamsters, to the Republican convention, and doesn't even make him endorse Trump, Sean O'Brien does not come as a Republican or a Trump voter.
And he says that from the stage. I'm not a Trump voter.
I'm not a Republican. I'm not here to endorse Trump, but he invited me and I'm coming.
How is that not the most powerful sign ever? Can you imagine letting someone at your convention who won't even endorse you and you let them come anyway? That is a sign that this party would ever its many flaws, many flaws, but is the open party, is the actual coalition of different people different interests but with a common humanity and americanness like doesn't that just tell you everything it's it's i've made a big deal out of it oh did you oh good yeah and it was kind of ignored i thought yeah certainly of course that's not good for the establishment yeah and um you know you saw that the port workers right they will not strike and they shut that strike down immediately because they had to settle it because that's not good. And they don't want unions to catch on, right? So as soon as the workers start to get power, they got to stop it, right? And that's why they have an open border.
There's no doubt about it. There's a little bit of a tightening of the labor market.
The workers are starting to get little bit of power. They completely flooded.
But the liberals who I see who aren't voting for Kamala Harris, so they're going to vote for Trump or they're going to vote for Jill Stein. Yeah, right.
That's a better way to put it. Aren't voting for Kamala Harris.
Right. So they want to punish the Democrats.
They think they need to be punished. And I agree.
I think they do need to be punished. They will not come to get your vote.
They have, they don't care. You know, you, you, I'm sure you saw Chuck Schumer in 2016 when they said, Hey, what about you're losing blue collar workers, right? Hillary Clinton, you're losing.
He said, it doesn't matter for every blue collar worker we lose. We're going to pick up two white collar suburban voters.
And you can repeat that in Ohio and wisconsin and michigan well i guess they couldn't do that that was a lot but that just shows so they he's that was at the time the leader of the democratic party out there telling people we are not trying to appeal to workers we're literally trying to appeal to white collar republicans that's what the democratic party is now they're they will bend over backwards to get. That's why Liz Cheney is touring with Kamala Harris.
Has there ever been anyone that as disgusting as Liz Cheney, like in world history? I can't think of anyone. I can't.
But that's what that's what does that tell you? They're not going after workers. They're not going after their natural constituency Democrats.
They're going after white collar suburban Republicans. That's what they're trying.
And they'll bend over backwards for them. They won't do anything to get the Muslim vote, which you would think would be a natural constituency.
They won't do a damn thing for them. And that's why they all just came out in Michigan and endorsed Donald Trump.
At least Donald Trump, they won't do anything. So I'm always, you got to make them come get your vote and you've got to punish them for turning their back on workers, for funding a genocide, and for forcing medical experiments on people and for censoring and shutting down and shaming people for questioning.
You got to punish them. And I'm all for that.
And so a lot of people are punishing them by voting for Jill Stein some of them are voting for Donald Trump to punish them I say whatever you can do to punish the

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