JD Vance: The New Opposition Party, Saving Rural America, & Why Trump Seeks Advice From His Gardener

Thank you.

Thank you. I'm very psyched to be here.
I was coming in backstage, this is our 11th city we've been in this month. And you have a kind of formula for how things work.
things work and I'm standing backstage and I see this ice bucket full of green bottles.

And I reached my hand.

I don't know what it was.

It's Mountain Dew.

And I said to the person I was walking with, like, why do we have Mountain Dew?

J.D. Vance drinks Mountain Dew.

Actually drinks Mountain Dew.

And I know J.D. Vance very well,

and I know that he's the most authentic person in politics.

But you often hear people say, and you can feel it on him,

he's not, he went to Yale Law School,

he's not really from Appalachia. I found the Mountain Dew.
That's for real. You're not drinking this.
They don't have this at the Aspen Institute, trust me. I was so impressed.
And I'm very sympathetic to, well I love actually his politics, but I'm not going to try that. Sorry.

I'm going to buy a little Perrier. I'm not a man of the people.
Anyway, thank you so much for coming. I'm sorry it took so long to get in.
This is what happens when your security is run by your opponent, I think. It's kind of hard to have an event.
It's a funny system that we have. No other country does that, I don't think.
We'll take care of security, don't worry. And just to make it super efficient, we're going to let the TSA handle it.
Because when you want things to work smoothly, like when you're late for your flight on Memorial Day weekend anyway, so I'm sorry about that, we have no control over it I'm not alleging anything other than what's totally obvious oh, this just amused to me and I heard the media are here I don't know. I know.
Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. And I heard even the New York Times, Politico, they're all here.
No, I don't know. I just want them to stand up and announce who they're voting for if they would.
I don't know. I don't have my glasses on, so I don't know where they are.
I can't hear what you're saying, but I know I agree with you. If you are trying to express loathing, I'm on your side.
And by the way, I would know, having spent over 30 years in their lair, and no amount of sauna cold plunge, hot bath combinations can scrape off the moral stain of us all the time that I spent there. But anyway, thank you so much.
So I'm going to, because we're running a little late, I want to get to the interview with Senator Vance pretty quickly. But I just wanted to say, and it's much more interesting than anything I'm going to say anyway.
But I just want to say something that he knows really well because he's been on the road since the convention, but I'm just remembering since it's been a long time since I've been on the road, which is that if you experience your country, the one that you were born in, and that you love and that your ancestors built and you will die in America, if you experience it through your phone, which I hate to admit is mostly the way I do experience it, you really get a distorted picture of it. And it feels like a country at war with itself.
And in fact, we're told that very often. This country is on the brink of civil war and everybody hates everybody else on the basis of some immutable characteristic, on the basis of race primarily, but also of sex and then political affiliation.
And basically, America is about to explode. It's the crockpot you forgot to turn off.
And it's about to just blow up and wreck your kitchen. I love that.
You know, it might be kind of an unsequitur, like scream out a 1970s era Leonard Skinner song in the middle of a pause. But to me, I'm grooving with you, baby.
I know exactly what you mean. That's right.
I can't quite articulate what you mean, but I know what you mean. Freebird.
Anyway, the point is, you really get the sense that the country is at war with itself and that people really hate each other. And when you travel it, and we're going coast to coast for a month, we already have been coast to coast, that's not the experience you have at all.
Like at all, actually. I can just tell you as officially, and the New York Times has chronicled this at great length, as one of the most hated people in the world, I kind of expected to be yelled at, you know what I mean, at like an airport or a Starbucks or the lobby of a hotel.
Not one time. And I, no, no, it has nothing to do with me.
It's not because I'm so great or people secretly love me. It's that Americans secretly don't really hate each other, which is kind of amazing.
When was the, No, it's true. They don't.
And yet they have been convinced that they do, and they have, in fact, been inspired to hate each other systematically for decades. And I've watched this.
The entire presentation of American history, again, driven by the New York Times, I've got to say, wherever the correspondent is, The entire presentation of American history Is designed to make you believe That this is a country based on hate The hate of Americans for each other And they have been telling us Well, I'm 55, so they've been telling it For at least the 50 years I can remember going to school They've been telling us this version And that that, you know That is the core problem of the country Is that people really, really hate each other. And looking back on, I was, I've been thinking of it all week.
I don't think I've ever seen that ever, not one time. And what I see actually is just the opposite.
I see people of all backgrounds and all beliefs totally determined to get along with each other and doing it despite the encouragement of their leaders. And I just think, I think two things about that.
One, I think it's quite revealing of our leaders because what leader wants the people he leads to hate each other? That's like really the kind of the darkest thing you could ever want. If you're a parent, you know it is evil.
It is the definition of evil. What parent wants his or her kids to hate each other? You want the opposite.
Because when you die, the one thing you leave behind is the love of your children for each other. That's how your memory continues, because your children love each other.
Almost no parent needs to have this explained.

Every parent knows it intuitively. And it's not just the family, the most basic and important organization in human civilization.
It's every organization from your office to a military unit, to your state, to your country. Leaders have as their first and most sacred duty the responsibility

to unite the people who follow them,

to keep them whole, to keep them together. And to do the opposite of that systematically over decades, using the media primarily, but also now just from the podium, is evil.
It's absolutely evil because it's a perfect inversion of their duty. And they have tried harder than really any task.
They certainly haven't put their effort into managing the economy or paving the roads or making it safe to walk to CBS. They've done just the opposite because they've been so focused on making us hate each other.
So that's the first thing I noticed. So they're not just incompetent, they're really bad on a deep level, actually.
No country deserves the leaders that we have. No state deserves the leaders you have, by the way, I can say.
I've spent so much time in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and I always think to myself, how is the worst place in the state allowed to run the entire state? I'm not going to name it. But why do they have all the power? Why do the people with the longest track record of failure have total control over the rest of the state, which is beautiful, and filled with great people? How does that work? That doesn't look like democracy to me.
But you can extrapolate outward to an entire country and say, how does a country of 350 million great people have such rotten leaders? And that really is a theological question that I can't answer, but it does. And here's the last thing I'll say before introducing Senator J.D.
Vance, my friend. They haven't succeeded.
And that is something to marvel at and to celebrate and to really deeply think about. Everyone's always shocked, particularly in these last four years, since, I'll put it precisely, since Memorial Day 2020, when the revolution began, without telling us, and the country that you grew up in and all of its institutions turned upside down and things you really loved and respected disappeared and people who are close to you vanished from your life.
And really, it's been chaotic since then, all by design. And everyone I know, I think most people who are paying attention have had occurred to them at one time or another, like, wow, there's so much evil in the world, I'm shocked.
And that's true, clearly. But what too few people, very much including me, pause to consider is how much good there is in the world.
Good that makes no sense. The love between people who don't know each other, who have nothing obviously in common, except their common American-ness, their citizenship here.
People who are not gaining anything by being kind to each other. In fact, who are encouraged not to be kind to each other and are anyway.
What's that? That is as every bit as unnatural as the evil that we see. It does not exist in nature.
It is outside of nature. It is supernatural.
And that is moving among us too. And I think it's worth celebrating that.
And if you look around this room, the first thing you realize is all that stuff they told you about how you were crazy because you noticed. It turns out you're not crazy because there are thousands of people sitting right next to you who had exactly the same instincts.
And they came from very different places to arrive at the same destination, which is a commitment to being honest with themselves and those around them. That's all it is, it's honesty.
It's not political. It's not ideological.
It's being unwilling to lie. And every person in this room at one level or another, at one time or another, has arrived at the exact same conclusion, which is I'm just going to say what I think is true.
And it turns out it's not just you sitting alone in your rec room throwing beer cans at the TV, feeling like a freak. It's most people in this country.
And there's no greater blessing than knowing that. So on that note of totally non-political hope, I want to introduce Senator JD Vance of Ohio, running with Donald Trump.
So you actually do drink Mountain Dew, you're not joking. Diet Mountain Dew, yeah.
Yeah, it's my favorite drink. You need a lot of caffeine caffeine On the campaign trail Though it's interesting, it's become a bit of a thing Because I probably had like one Diet Mountain Dew A week before I started running for Vice President And then I like started talking about it And then people always brought me Diet Mountain Dews So now I drink like three of them a week One of many ways in which my health has gotten much worse.
So you're not endorsing it from a medical standpoint? Is that what you're saying? No, no, not at all. But I will say, Tucker, it's awesome to be here, not just because I've been looking forward to this, but two hours ago I was thinking to myself, I'm going to have to call Tucker and cancel.
I'm not going to be able to come. And the reason is because we have our kids with us,

and I took my boys on the campaign trail.

We did a bunch of events all over Pennsylvania,

which is a great state, and it's great to be here.

And we go to Hershey Park, right, which is just across the street.

Hershey Park's great.

And my son says, my 7-year-old says, if I go on a roller coaster with you, you have to go on this like spinny ride with me. And so legitimately, it's one of these things where it's not just spinning around, but then the thing that you're sitting in is also spinning around.
So it's like spinning within spinning. And legitimately, three and a half seconds in, I think to myself, I'm going to throw up all over this ride.
And my, you know, it's like now that I'm a vice presidential candidate, I'm much more, you know, people know who I am. And so there are like 10 separate iPhones that are tuned on me.
And all I can think to myself is if I throw up in this thing, it's going to be like one of those old sprinklers, you know, and I, and I, so I, so I like white knuckle close my eyes, my seven-year-old and my four-year-old are like, dad, what's going on? I'm like, I'm trying not to throw up boys, just, you know, leave daddy be. And then we get off the ride and I am so nauseous.
I'm like, I'm going to have to cancel tonight because I'm going to go home to the hotel and be sick. I think you're looking at it wrong.
Puking on the Tilt-A-Whirl is the most authentically American thing you could do. No one would ever call you a phony again.
I booted on the Tilt-A-Whirl. I mean, honestly.
From Mountain Dew. Yeah, so anyway, I'm feeling a lot better now, and it's great to be with you.
And how's it going? Well, you tell me you're running for national office. I don't even know what I do for a living at this point.
Neither do I. So where, I mean, it's always hard asking someone who's running for office, like office Do you think you're going to win? Where are we? But I would say, and you explained this so well In a conversation we had recently The polls really are designed to deceive many of the public polls Probably not all, but many And the campaigns, not just yours But the Democrat Party's campaign Do have access to the most accurate polls So, you know, being as as you can be, where are we? Where we are is we're going to win.
And I feel 100% confident about that. Um...
Look, I... If you go back in time four years, there was a poll in the run-up to the 2020 election, maybe the 2016 election actually, that had Donald Trump losing Wisconsin by 17 points.
And of course in 2016 he won the state of Wisconsin. And what you realize is the purpose of these polls is very often subversion.
like they're trying to depress you so they put out a poll in Wisconsin that says Donald Trump is going to lose

by 17 points even though polls is very often subversion. Like they're trying to depress you.
So they put out a poll in Wisconsin that says

Donald Trump is going to lose by 17 points,

even though that's an election he eventually went on to win.

And I think that there's a lot of that happening right now,

though I will say,

even with the idea that the polls are fundamentally biased,

I mean, you know, we have internal polls

that we pay a lot more money for because it's,

I mean, this is a very nerdy point, but you have to reach the right people to actually get an accurate poll. And because most Trump supporters, like if you called my family members and said, hey, I'm from such and such research, are you going to vote for Donald Trump? They would say F you and hang up the phone, right? So because of that, it's very hard to poll actual Donald Trump supporters, but you can if you're willing to actually go out and seek those people and do the right things.
And look, the internal polls are great. I think that we have to work our rear ends off over the next 45 days.
And, you know, there's something really interesting about this election, Tucker, which is that if you sort of take the people who voted in 2020 versus the people who voted for Biden in 2020, the people who voted for Trump in 2020, we're probably about even there. Like, I'd sort of give it a 50-50 chance.
But there are a lot of marginal voters, meaning people who don't always show up to the polls. And if they show up, they're like 70-30 for Donald Trump.
So it's basically, the name of the game is,

you can't get depressed and give up on your country. You have to get out there and vote,

because if you do, we're going to win. So get out there and vote, and we'll win.

And the, so, I mean, look, the story, the story of basically the last 30 years, in my view, is that our leadership has turned the American people into paupers in their own country. You're not going to own anything.
No way you're going to own a house because the leadership has made it way too expensive to buy a house, and plus interest rates are too high. You're not going to have real public safety in your communities because we're going to import 25 million people.
We're going to overstress the legal system. We're going to overstress the police system.
You're not actually going to have a decent job because we want to ship way too many middle-class jobs off to China, off to Mexico. And so the American people, I think, they're fed up with it.
They're saying, we don't give a shit what you think about us. We're going to vote for our own interests and we're going to vote to save our country.
But the thing that is really meaningful and if I worry about anything, it's that we're going to get lazy and we're going to rest on our laurels and we're not going to get out there and actually pound the pavement and vote. There are way too many people who know that the country is broken, who know that Kamala Harris would make a terrible president, but they have to actually get out there and do the thing that all of us have to do, which is vote.
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That's 1-800-780-8888. So, there's been this thing happening for the last, well, last eight years, actually, but it seems to have come to a head in the last several months

where the realignment

is now very obvious between

the parties. Yes.
And you

do see a bunch

of pretty high-profile Democrats

coming to your campaign to endorse

your campaign, and you see, honestly,

some high-profile Republicans

go over to Kamala Harris. Correct.

So just to put it in one sentence,

you got Bobby Kennedy, and they got

Dick Cheney and his horrible daughter.

A hell of a trade, by the way. I'll take that trade

every day and twice on Sunday.

And I didn't mean to...

I can't remember names. I'm going to go with horrible daughter.

I think it's fair.

How would you describe

that realignment? Like, what is that?

Well, I think there are a couple things going on.

So first of all, if you

spend any time in professional Washington,

which is How would you describe that realignment? What is that? I think there are a couple things going on. First of all, if you spend any time in professional Washington, which I've spent a couple years there, you realize that one of the things that gives a lot of people meaning is playing a chess game with the lives of other people's children.
Of course, if you think like that, you're kind of a sicko, and you shouldn't be anywhere near power. But Washington is full of people who really like to go out and play strategic games with the lives of other people's children.
And there's probably nobody who better represents that, of course, than Liz and Dick Cheney, who their entire politics for the past 30 years has been using American power to inflame tensions in the world, to draw the United States deeper and deeper into foreign conflicts, which either shouldn't exist at all or certainly the United States shouldn't have any business in. And I think that the...
But, and I think so, that's one thing that's going on, is if you don't think the United States should get involved in every stupid war in the world, then you're a Republican. And if you think the United States should send billions of dollars and tons of innocent Americans to die in some foreign country, then you're going to be a Democrat.
And that's kind of crazy, right? Because it was sort of exactly the opposite probably 40, 50 years ago. But then there are two other big issues.
The three things that really matter. One is foreign policy.
Our side, I think, is rational and restrained. We don't want to fight every ridiculous war.
And we're worried about getting involved in World War III because we should be, because we have nuclear weapons now. And you have to be cautious about that stuff.
The second big issue is, in my view, over immigration. If you look at the Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney view, their basic argument is, let's flood the United States with millions upon millions of foreign laborers because that's good for business.
And there are those of us who are saying, well, is it actually good for social cohesion? Isn't it good for workers? Hell no, so we're not going to accept that. The third thing...
And the third thing that I think really divides the parties, and it's like me, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump, we're sort of all on the same page on this, is do you think that the United States should ship its entire industrial base to foreign countries, some of which hate us? And if you think that's insane, like I do, then you're going to vote for Donald Trump. And if you think it's a great idea to ship our industrial base overseas, you're welcome in the party of Kamala Harris and Dick Cheney.
And that's basically it. And those three issues, Tucker, have divided people, I think have divided the entire country, but actually only the leadership class.
Because I actually think that like 70% of Americans agree with our viewpoint on these issues. I just think that the leadership of this country has gotten so deranged that they convince themselves that there's a great American majority for fighting a ton of wars, importing a ton of illegal aliens, and shipping all the jobs overseas.
And I just don't think there is. I would say it's higher than 70% consensus.
And you know that because the advocates of the positions you just described will never admit that they're advocating for them. No one will ever say, yeah, we just brought in tens of millions of illegal aliens.
They lie about the fact they did it. So clearly there's no constituency for that.
No, that's exactly right. And this has been a big issue with some of the microscope that's been put on communities that have accepted a large number of Haitian migrants in the past couple of years.
So in Springfield, Ohio, about 20,000. There's a community in Pennsylvania that I think has accepted about 2,500 in a town of about 4,000 people.
So there are people who say that this is fundamentally necessary because unless you import all of these people, that there aren't going to be any jobs. And I actually think that sort of gets it exactly upside down.
The reason why people left these communities is because our leadership shipped all of their jobs to Mexico and China and other countries. So if you want to fix the problem, bring economic prosperity back to our country.
Don't bring 2,500 or 25,000 foreign laborers into small-town America. Amen.
But it also raises, I think, an even deeper philosophical question, which is,

who are you serving? Who's your loyalty to? I don't care how screwed up and fentanyl-ridden

and post-industrial your little town is. The people who live there are American citizens,

and they own the government. And so the people in charge have to care about them.

Thank you. and post-industrial your little town is, the people who live there are American citizens and they own the government.

And so the people in charge have to care about them.

But they don't at all.

They care about their donors

who think that their businesses will benefit

from importing an entirely new class of workers.

But aren't our leaders required to care

about the current occupants of those towns?

I would think so. I would think so.
Well, here's one way I'd put it is, and I picked this up, this is actually when we became friends initially, right, is we were at some like massive banker's conference and I had just written Hillbilly Elegy. I feel dirty thinking about it, yeah.
And I realized that like what I had done in Hillbilly Elgy was write a very personal story about my grandmother and my mom and my sister, and there's sort of triumph and there's trial. And my mom struggled with addiction, and then she got clean, and my grandmother raised me.
And it was very much a personal story. And what I realized at that conference, and at Others Like It, is that a lot of our leaders liked the book, not because they really sort of sympathized with the story, but it gave them an opportunity.

They'd pick one paragraph out and say, oh, well, this thing shows that these middle American working class people are bad or they're racist or they're not worth focusing our attention on or we shouldn't save their jobs or like whatever they use as an excuse to ignore the citizens of their own country. And I started to feel kind of dirty about participating in this way that our leaders used my book to try to look down on their fellow citizens rather than maybe learn something about their fellow citizens and recommit them to making their lives better.
And that fundamental breakdown you see in our politics like all the time, Tucker, because look, there is nothing that pisses off America's leadership class. There's nothing that angers Kamala Harris more than when a working class person in the heartland of this country complains about what a bad job she's doing.

And, you know, when you think about this charge

that our leaders constantly make, they'll say,

well, you don't want 20,000 low-wage migrants showing up in your town.

You don't want to be evicted from your home

to make way for four Haitian families who, by the way, are violating zoning laws to live in this house. You're a racist.
That's what they'll say. Now think about this.
What they're really doing is saying you are not allowed to speak up about our leadership screwing up. And when you realize this is the game that they play, I mean, look, you and I agree with this.
I think

we should genuinely endeavor to look at every human being as a child of God, whether they're

black, white, brown, or anything else. I think that is an absolutely good principle.
But I think

that when our leaders call working class citizens who have almost no power in America in 2024,

when they call them racist, it's not because they're trying to call them to some higher meaning. They're not trying to convince them to be more compassionate to their fellow man.
They're trying to silence them and shut them up. And when you realize that our leadership is willing to take the compassion, like what's best in us, that we love our fellow man and we love our fellow Americans and use it as a weapon to silence people.
You realize that Kamala Harris and everybody like her, it is a disgusting game that they play and we have to reject it. I couldn't agree more.
I mean, I just say, let me say it again, I think it's evil. It's evil to leverage someone's decency against him.
Yes. It's the lowest possible thing you could do.
But I have to ask, and I don't really answer this question, but you've spent time on both sides. Growing up where you did, in Ohio, going to the Marine Corps, and then going to Yale and all that.
Go, Ohio. It's more than just getting people to shut up so they can loot the country, which is clearly part of it.
But there's a loathing, there's a hatred there. Oh yes.
And I don't understand where that comes from. Why would you hate people who live in communities that your friends flooded with fentanyl? Why would you be mad at them? They're the ones whose life expectancy is going down.
What did they do wrong? If there was ever a group of victims, it's rural Americans, so why would you hate them? That doesn't make sense to me, but they do. Why? So, I don't know that I have a perfect answer to this, but I think that rural America and the problems of rural America just show how much their entire worldview is broken.
And so it sort of reflects back at them their own failure and their own lack of concern for their fellow citizens, right? So it's like one thing to say, well, we're going to ship all the jobs to China and we'll get a bunch of cheap plastic toys in exchange. Or, oh, we're going to invade Iraq and, you, it's going to be a total disaster, and we'll kill a lot of innocent people, but we don't really have to think about it after the war is over.
Or, yeah, we'll let 20,000 Haitians into this small town, but the employers will be happy because they'll get some cheap labor, and then we won't have to think about it. But when the rural people or the small town people, the working class people start complaining about it, then you have to actually confront whether these things that you have done have actually made people's lives better.
And I think that you sort of confronted with that, right? So you and I have a mutual friend, I won't use his name, where he was a huge advocate of the war in Iraq. And by the way, I was 18 years old, but I also was an advocate of the war in Iraq.
I, in fact, enlisted in the Marine Corps in April of 2003. We invaded in March of 2003, simplify to all the Marines out there.
But so, I, but like, okay, the war turned into a total disaster. A lot of young Americans got killed.
A lot of innocent people got killed. And that should cause a thinking person to evaluate, well, what were the processes in my brain that led me to think that this was a good idea and how can I change so that I don't get it wrong the next time? And I think we have a lot of friends who got it wrong, but they can't have that conversation with themselves because it's too morally challenging.
They wouldn't be able to look themselves in the mirror if they realized, oh, I did this thing that led to tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of innocent people losing their lives. And so you could either do that thing, you could either reevaluate and say, maybe I screwed up, maybe I was wrong, maybe I should rethink how I understand the world.
Maybe Donald Trump isn't a threat to democracy. Maybe the person who's a threat to democracy is Kamala Harris, who is running for president without a single vote.
But you can say to yourself, oh, I screwed up up and I'm going to think about it better.

Or you can say the people who are complaining are bad and evil people.

And the reason they're complaining is not because I screwed up, but because they are screwed up people.

And I think that's what, I genuinely think that's what our leadership does.

And there are people who are legitimately friends of mine who I think legitimately hate, hate the community that I came from because the community that I came from refuses to say, oh yeah, we're really glad that based on patriotic sentiment, we, we volunteered at record levels to enlist in the Marine Corps, the army, the Navy, and the air force. And then you sent us off to a really stupid war.
Or we really love that you used to be able to go and raise a family on a single middle-class manufacturing income, but now that's really hard to do because of Kamala Harris's inflation crisis, but also because you guys shipped all the jobs to China, right? The people who refuse to say, thank you for making my life miserable, they represent an opposition and a rebellion against our failed leadership class. And if our leadership class was healthy, they would say, oh, we must have screwed up.
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I mean it. I've been interviewing politicians for over 30 years

and I can't remember ever hearing an analysis

that deep and true from any of them.

And I'm also struck by the fact that

I know most of the Republicans in the Senate,

maybe one or two exceptions,

I can't imagine any of them saying 90% of what you just said

and yet you were on the ticket with Donald Trump.

So that makes me think that the Republican

Party is actually changing this time.

Do you think that's true?

I mean, I

absolutely do,

and I think there's always going to be this kind of

effort from the old guard

establishment to try to return us to the old ways, the old broken ways. So it's not like a war that's totally over.
But I do think that we're currently winning. And look, I have to give a ton of credit to my running mate, the guy at the top of the ticket, Donald J.
Trump. Because I...
And you know this, and probably a lot of you in the audience know this, I was a Trump critic back in 2016. And it's funny when all of these, when Biden was still running, and all of these journalists trying to confuse how obviously unfit Biden was to serve in the Oval Office, they'd be like, well, Biden's really old, but Trump isn't a spring chicken anymore either.
And when people would say that, I'd be like, guys, Donald Trump remembers a tweet that I sent on September 3rd, 2015. He remembers the time and he remembers exactly what I said to the word.
Like this guy's memory is as sharp as a tack. In fact, I wish that it wasn't, because my life would be a lot easier, but these are not two 70-year-old people who are running for president who are in the same mental condition.
One clearly has the energy to do the job, and one clearly doesn't. And what...
But, I mean, I've seen this now, having been in the belly of the beast for all of two years,

but I really wish that I had been on board earlier, because what Trump dealt with in 2016,

it cannot be overstated. And I'm talking about, like, friends of yours, people he had been friends

with for 30 years, calling him and attacking him, or going on national television and lying about him,

Thank you. friends of yours, people he had been friends with for 30 years, calling him and attacking him or going on national television and lying about him.
When you challenge this ossified, broken, ruling class in this country, there is hell to pay for it. And I've got just a little bit of a taste of it.
I think Donald Trump has gotten a hundred times worse than I have. And obviously, he almost got literally killed just seven weeks ago.
And then again, like three days ago. But Trump, if he hadn't won the primary and if he hadn't won the general election, the Republican Party would be broken.
He fixed it and actually created an opportunity for us to build something that's durable and it can work for the long haul. And I think, you know, so I think I was his first endorser in the United States Senate and like all of my political advisors are like, why are you doing this? It's way too early in the primary.
And it's because having not been on board in 2016, I realized that the 2024 primary would really be this sort of fundamentally, no matter who challenged him, and there were a lot of good people fundamentally that challenged him, it would ultimately come down to the old guard versus the pro-worker, pro-America party. And I just knew that's how the dividing lines would ultimately shake out, because the old guard, because a lot of them knew Donald Trump in business, because a lot of them know that he knows what they're up to, they hate him more than almost anybody.
And they hate him because he does actually fight for the American people. And he does actually care about the citizens of his own country.
And you can look, one thing I'll say about President Trump that is genuinely unique is, look, he obviously is incredibly successful and incredibly wealthy. Like, nobody's going to ever pretend that Donald Trump is a working-class person, at least now in his life.
But Trump actually really likes the people that he leads. And that includes, by the way, that includes, by the way, the people who didn't vote for him.
He still really likes those people. And that is, I think, what is very different about President Trump versus, frankly, most of America's leadership is when the cameras are off and they don't think anybody's listening, they talk about how much they think their own citizens are dumb or, well, yeah, the public thinks this because the public doesn't understand economics.
Or, well, if the public was just smarter, they would realize how smart are Kamala Harris is for wanting to destroy social security and Medicare for illegal immigration, right? They actually think that their people are stupid, and they don't like them. But Donald Trump actually likes people, and I think it's one of the secrets to his success as a political candidate.
Watching him order at McDonald's is one of the most amazing things ever. It's hysterical.
It's impossible to imagine Carmela, or whatever she's calling herself, Harris. Like, talk to the lady behind the counter about the differences in quality and weight and price between the quarter pounder and the Big Mac.
And he has such strong feelings about it. I mean, he's really thought about it a lot.
Well, and again, this goes to his leadership style. Donald Trump actually really cares of what people think.
So he has absolutely thought to himself

what is the better value

between the Quarter Pounder and the Big Mac

and he wants

he actually wants to know

what the people who work there

think about this question.

And by the way, I have very strong views about this.

Obviously the Quarter Pounder is a better deal.

Right?

That's absurd.

Without secret sauce it's not even worth going there. But whatever.
I mean, you know, honest people disagree. Marlboro Winston, I get it.
You've allowed yourself to be manipulated by the elites. The secret sauce is not the thing that matters.
It's the amount of meat. You get way more meat with a quarter pounder.
And it's obviously, again... But look, the point is, okay, so let me give you an example of this.
So the Saturday morning that President Trump was shot, I don't know if I've ever talked about this publicly, but I was down in Mar-a-Lago for the first time talking about becoming his vice presidential nominee. And it was kind of this crazy thing because all these reporters would stick microphones in my face and say, you know, you're clearly on the shortlist and have you talked to president Trump about it? And I'd say, no, I haven't.
In fact, I don't even know if I'm actually on the shortlist because I've never spoken with him. So the Saturday morning I'm in Mar-a-Lago, we're talking about the VP thing.
And he, you know, he's like, you know, I like to talk to everybody about who should be the VP. Like, you know, I spent about 30 minutes talking to the Gardner at Mar-a-Lago about who he thought should be the vice presidential nominee.
And I'm sitting there sweating bullets like, well, sir, what did the Gardner at Mar-a-Lago have to say about who should be the VP? Because this is a question that actually really impacts my life. So...
Do you know the Gardner or is it just random? No. But again, he actually likes to know what people think about things.
That's one of his secrets of success as a political leader. So anyway, he goes to Pennsylvania.
He doesn't tell me that it's me. He says that it's probably going to be you.
I'm like, oh, thanks. That makes me feel great.
I'm totally going to sleep great tonight knowing it's probably going to be me. He flies to Bucks County, Pennsylvania, of course, is nearly assassinated.
God bless you guys. And he, you know, like, then he makes the decision, I think, the next day or maybe even Monday morning.
I don't know, right? I don't know when he actually finally made the decision. Probably was just Monday morning.
Now that I think about it, you probably know better than I do. Anyway, the point, the point is he, again, I actually think that if you care about the people that you represent and the people that you lead, you should want to know what they think about an issue and whatever disagreements you might have with president Trump, he genuinely cares about what people think about an issue.
And it's why I think he's better plugged into what the electorate thinks than most political candidates. I think that's right.
The switch up, the disappearance of the president of the United States, Biden is still president, technically, correct? I don't know. I don't either.
I really don't know. I don't know what happened to him.
He was pretty famous at one point, and then he's just gone. I saw some clip on social media that Jill Biden was running a cabinet meeting.
Was that real, or was that- For sure. She's a doctor, JD.
Settle down. She's got this, okay? And anyone who hasn't read her dissertation on community colleges in the state of Delaware really should see where the doctorate comes from.
She literally has a part of it where she's breaking down the proportion by ethnicity of students. And she's like, it's about 40% Caucasian, about 37% African American, it's another 39% Hispanic, and then another 22% Asian.
And I'm like, I'm not good at math, but... Wait a second.
No, you should read Dr. Jill's dissertation.
It's unbelievable. Anyway, she's running the government, just so you know.
I don't think that adds up to 100. I'm a genius.
No, it does, like 147, actually. Whatever, she's a doctor.
But here's my question, and I don't mean to finger the media in this. Sorry, I'm sorry.

I spent my life in a newsroom.

It's vulgar, I know.

Kamala Harris went from being regarded as a buffoon by everybody,

including every Democrat I know.

You're constantly reading about only Montel Williams likes her or whatever.

Everyone made fun of her.

And then within 24 hours, she's this historic statesman. How was the media able to pull that off, honestly? Yeah, with, I mean, a lot of shamelessness.
I mean, one of the things that we say on the campaign trail, because it's true, is that we do a lot of interviews. Me and President Trump do a ton of interviews with hostile media, with friendly media, with everybody in the middle, and Kamala Harris doesn't.
Now, part of the argument that we're trying to make is, to the American people, you shouldn't trust a person who's so terrified of the media that she runs away from them. Like, you can't trust that person in a private meeting with Xi Jinping.
But part of what we've been trying to do, too, is actually shame the American media, which is totally, like, it's total historical revisionism right before our eyes. I mean, my wife even, who's a totally apolitical person, but right after they did the Kamala switcheroo, she sent me like a bunch of clips of different people and how they spoke about Kamala Harris like three months ago and how they speak about Kamala Harris today.
And it's totally flipped. And we've been trying to shame the American media into looking themselves in the mirror and asking her some tough questions and actually reporting on her record.
And you know what we've learned, Tucker? The American media has no shame. And...
So, like, they're here, I can feel their filthy presence, but... I know we have...
I can feel it. You run into them on the road, what do they say? Well, they'll say in private, almost all of them will say, yeah, it's really ridiculous.
Or in public, they'll say,

well, you know, we hope that she'll give us an interview. And it's like, well, but the democratic process requires that she gives you an interview before people start voting.
Like your job, if you have any job, and by the way, to the reporters out there, I know you're some of you are out there, like your job is to not repeat Kamala Harris propaganda without at least getting a chance to ask her a question about it.

And that's what...

Well, but it's really simple. I've been in the media my whole life.
I know how it works. If you want a politician to do something, you attack that politician until the politician does what you want.
Yeah. And so they could make Kamala Harris give interviews to everybody from TMZ

to the Washington Post editorial page just by

attacking her every day, but they won't. Why?

Well, because

unfortunately, most

of the American media, we need to be honest about this,

most of the American media

is in fact part of the very

corrupt system that they pretend to report on.

That's the answer. So, okay.
So, if you're, I mean, first of all, the news media business has been totally decimated. By big tech, by the way.
The reason why we don't really have local papers anymore is in a 20-year period, all of the advertising revenue that used to go classified ads in local papers now goes through Google, Facebook, so forth. So if you're a journalist, there's a very good chance that your paycheck fundamentally depends on the people who are getting rich off of the system.
Now, that doesn't mean, by the way, and I know a lot of them, and I actually like them personally. It's one of my many faults is I like journalists personally.
But the thing that they will say is they really believe the things that they're

reporting. And they really believe that what they're saying and what they're doing is the

truth. And they're right about that, by the way.
I don't think that most of them are liars. I think

most of them are just deluded. No offense, guys.
But if they weren't deluded and if there was

somebody who was actually really asking, well, why are we spending so much time attacking Donald Trump because he dared to bring up the Haitian migrant problem in Springfield? And instead, why are we spending so much time attacking him instead of, I don't know, investigating any of the numerous issues that Kamala Harris has flip-flopped on in just the last three years, if there was a reporter who wanted to do that, they would not last long in those media organizations. So there's a basic selection bias.
If you're a person who can honestly look at American society and say, oh, wait a second, American life expectancy is declining, right? The only industrialized country in the world where that's true. We continue to be more and more reliant on some of our biggest international adversaries to make the things that we need.
Oh, and we're sleepwalking into a multi-continent, in other words, a world war, with a president who clearly doesn't even know who the hell or where the hell he is. Like, maybe the honest thing would be to really aggressively interrogate how we got here.
But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What, what the journalists have instead decided to do is they're going to focus on like a sex scandal from two days ago from like that involves some random journalists who's, who I don't even know, I've never even met, right? There's like this weird sex scandal story going on right now that the media is obsessed with.
I don't think there was any actual sex in the sex scandal. That's how I'm sure it is.
I think that's right. But the media is more focused on that than they are on the fact that we are sleepwalking into World War III with Joe Biden as the president of the United States.
And the reason why we have Joe Biden is because Kamala Harris lied about his mental fitness for office. Like, if you actually care about the truth, ask those questions and leave the salacious bullshit to the tabloids.
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I think I may be missing this. And I think Scott Perry's here, by the way.
Great congressman, Scott. Oh, he is? He's a great guy.
You're out there. Hello? Hassled by the FBI for asking, this is my read, not his, but asking questions about the last election.
That's not a criminal offense. I know a bunch of people who are in jail right now, right now, for political reasons in our country that's never really reported on.

It's bizarre.

And I guess the question is, if you guys lose, what would stop that from just becoming universal? Yeah. Well, I don't know that anything would.
because the animating bias,

or the animating motivation, I should say,

of Kamala Harris's Democratic Party is censorship. Because without censorship, you can't get all the other things that they want.
You can't get the ridiculous foreign policy or the ridiculous trade policy, the wide open borders without censorship. And so if you look, and this is, by the way, I think this is actually the fundamental difference between the overheated political rhetoric on the left and on the right.
And I hate, by the way, when people both sides of this issue, they're like, well, we all need to tone down the rhetoric. Well, look, by the way, I try to be a very humble person.
I agree we can all tone down the rhetoric. None of us is perfect, including me.
But when Donald Trump has taken two assassination attempts in the last seven weeks, it's not both sides that need to tone down the rhetoric. It's one side in particular.
And you have to ask... But if you look at what is the animating focus of the political prosecutions, of the big tech censorship in 2020 and all the censorship around COVID, of the fact that the European Union, which basically wouldn't exist without American taxpayer protection.
I mean, Europe, like only two countries in Europe even have real militaries at this point, right? NATO is at this point a welfare client of the United States of America. So Europe is going after Elon Musk for free speech and threatening to imprison him for platforming who? Donald Trump, who is the likely next president of the United States.
You go down the list, the animating bias is censorship. And if you think about it, what is the ultimate way? If you've tried to bankrupt a person, you've tried to jail a person, you've tried to, you know, throw a person in prison, you've tried to kick them out of office, you've impeached them twice, what is the ultimate way to censor a human being? Taking their life.
And I think this is really the difference between political rhetoric on the left and the right, which again, we don't always get it right on my side of the aisle, but we're never

saying we want to censor the other side. We in fact want to have the debate.
We're telling Kamala Harris, you should do more interviews, not less. You should get out there more because we get about 100,000 votes every time you open your mouth.
But all kidding aside, we are not trying to censor the left. The left is trying to censor not just the right, but the entire country, which goes to show they are a threat to democracy.
They cannot be rewarded with more political power. They have to be penalized.
It's like when a kid, as I've learned as a young father, when a kid screws up and you just let them, you reward them for it, they actually do it more and they do it worse. The only way to reward Kamala Harris is by making her president and the only way to punish her and say, look, we don't accept censorship of our fellow citizens, is to fire her and send her back to San Francisco.
That's where she belongs. So given that, I mean, every news outlet I've ever worked at, which is a lot of them, they're all controlled, obviously.
And given that, you know, the biggest tech platforms would be Google and YouTube, same company, openly practice censorship, all kinds of things you can't talk about. They'll take you off, demonetize you.
Really, we're talking about X, actually. We're talking about X is the place where free speech lives.
Yeah. And if you were to take that out, darkness would descend.
That's just a fact. And if you want to know the totalitarian impulses of your ruling class, read the Atlantic Magazine, where they announce all of it ahead of time.
And they're telling you now that we need to shut down Elon Musk's ex because there's just way too much free speech. And I wonder how seriously you take those threats.
Well, I take them very seriously. I mean, look, if we've learned anything over the last four years is when these people say

they want to do something, they actually mean it, and they intend to do it.

We actually had to take them seriously.

I mean, when Kamala Harris ran saying that we want to suspend deportations, re-implement

catch and release, which is basically just mass asylum fraud, and stop Donald Trump's

remain in Mexico policy, even though I didn't vote for her, I voted for Donald Trump, I thought, well, this is crazy. They're not actually going to do this.
And then they did. So when they say that they want to use the force of law to silence or even imprison Elon Musk for daring to host a free speech platform, we have to listen to them.
And that is the one thing. The most awesome power in the physical world today is the United States government.
Millions of people, the world's largest and most powerful military. If we give that over to people who are saying, not only we disagree with Donald Trump, not only do we disagree with Donald Trump's supporters, but we want to prevent them from participating in the American democratic system,

that is some scary shit and we need to reject it. And that's exactly what I think, by the way, with your help, we're going to do.
So thank you for doing this. This has been a really interesting and amazing conversation.
So last question for you. So I think if I'm reading this correctly, that Donald Trump has announced that he will not allow states and municipalities going forward, if elected in November, to continue being so-called sanctuary cities.
Which means places or entire states in these 50 United States that openly ignore federal immigration law, which must be federal because it applies to all of us, and its effects are national. Someone comes into one state and go to your state.
And I'm just thinking, reading this, like, this has been going on for decades. Any state or city that has a sanctuary city law is an open rebellion in the way that Fort Sumter was an open rebellion against the government of the United States.
Why have we allowed this to go on for decades? I don't understand. Well, the answer is we've allowed it to go on because the federal government still funds all of these cities.
The sanctuary cities stuff is very expensive because when you invite millions of illegal aliens into your country and then certain cities and municipalities invite thousands or even tens of thousands, I mean, the cost to illegal immigration in New York City, I believe, is north of $6 billion a year. In Chicago, I think it's around $500 million a year.
Well, that money doesn't come from Chicago taxpayers. It primarily comes through federal subsidies.
So if you want to end sanctuary cities, just cut off the money spigot to sanctuary cities. You don't get our taxpayer money if you refuse to enforce the law.
It's actually, this one, man, some of this stuff is really complicated. This one is actually very simple.
The federal government just needs to say, we control immigration law, right? There are some things the states and local governments control. The federal government controls like foreign policy, immigration law, and a few other things.
And if you are not going to obey federal immigration laws, then we're going to cut off the paycheck. We're going to cut off the money.
And you have to enforce our laws in order to get any more money from American taxpayers. Well, but I know, but like when Central High School disbeyed federal law in Little Rock in 1956, it's at the 101st Airborne.
Yeah. And this has been going on where states and cities are like, we basically are our own countries now, and no one's done anything.
Can you just really quick tell us the mindset that allowed Washington to ignore this? Oh, well, I don't think it's that Washington's ignoring it, Tucker. I think that it actually shows where the real power is, and that's with the federal bureaucracy.
And our mutual friend, Vivek Ramaswamy, talks a lot about this, that the real... And again, you hear this term, threat to democracy, it's always projection.
When they talk about threat to democracy, they're always projecting on something else. The real threat to democracy, you and I have talked about this, is if the President of the United States orders generals to do a troop redeployment and the generals refuse or lie to the President about what they've done, that's a threat to democracy.
And by the way, that happened at the very end of Donald Trump's presidency, right? And none of those people got fired. None of them were even punished.
So you ask about immigration in sanctuary cities. The answer to this question is the permanent bureaucracy in Washington doesn't want us to have a border.
So even when you have a guy like Donald Trump, who is using all of the powers of the presidency to try to enforce the southern border, like the bureaucrats have to listen to them on that issue because they report to them. But they can make it easier for the state and municipalities to violate immigration law, and that's how they subvert the will of the American people's elected president.
I mean, this is like a fundamental question. Ask yourself, who amongst the United States of America, which citizens voted to have 25 million illegal aliens invade this country? I don't think anyone, even Democrats who disagree with me about exactly what to do with the illegal immigrants who are here, I don't think that they voted for a literal invasion of this country.
You, you talk about inflation and all the unaffordability problems. Who voted to, in the name of environmental cleanliness, to shut down American energy and ship it to China, which is the dirtiest economy in the entire world? Nobody voted for that.
So what these guys do, abetted by the media, is they run on slogans. The media covers up for it.
They pretend that those slogans have substance. And then even when the American people see through the BS and elect a guy like Donald Trump, the permanent bureaucracy fights him every step of the way.
One of the most important things, Tucker, that we are going to do when we win is that we are going to make the bureaucracy responsive to the American people. It has to happen.
If you don't do that, you don't have a real constitutional republic. I mean, you're really going to need to be tough to get that done.
Are you confident you can do that? Tucker, I'm confident we can do it because nobody has ever really tried because for 40 years we haven't had a real political opposition in this country, and now we do. Think about that.
I mean, just take the three basic issues that we talked about. Trade policy, immigration policy, foreign policy.
There are disagreements even within the Republican Party about those issues, but every single one of those issues are winning issues with the American people. So what we're saying is, crazy as it sounds, we think the American people should have a government that reflects their best interests and their actual preferences, and we're going to fight every single day to make it happen.
And there's no reason to do this. I mean, look, as you know, my life was very easy before I ran for political office, and Donald Trump's was way easier than mine.
We're only doing this because we think that we can get it done. We have to get it done to save the country.
So I just want to stop by repeating something you just said. For 40 years, we haven't had an opposition party and now we do.
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