Vince Coglianese: DNC Predictions, Don Lemon, and Why Kamala Harris Is Terrified

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Speaker 4 The Democratic National Convention starts this week. Appalling, but there are, thankfully, entertainment possibilities, and we think we found them.

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Speaker 4 In the meantime, here's our latest episode on the DNC with Vince Colones.

Speaker 4 So someone just someone just sent me video of the protesters outside the DNC. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I guess almost by definition, even crazier than the people inside the DNC. And the first thing you notice is they're all wearing masks outside.
And I don't want to be mean.

Speaker 4 Mental illness is real. They're obviously mentally ill.
Definitely. But what's so interesting is I never see that in my life.
Do you ever see anybody wearing masks outside?

Speaker 5 Well, I live near Washington. So yes.

Speaker 4 You actually do now? Yeah.

Speaker 5 But that's, so there are categories of people, I think, who are just neurotic and who've been misled, especially by the left. And they wear the masks still up until this very day.

Speaker 4 Do you know how bad that is for your health? It's awful. It's awful.
It's also worse. I'd rather smoke cigarettes any day.

Speaker 5 I actually think the cost to socialization is even worse. It's like your health is awful, but like, like, what does that say about you and how isolated you are from the rest of society? Yes.

Speaker 5 That can't be good for your head. And the truth is, I think, I don't think it's for like a lot of these people.
I don't really think in the end, it's really about the health.

Speaker 5 They maybe soothe themselves by saying that.

Speaker 5 Fundamentally, it's a political gesture. It's, I'm a part of a club.
It's a uniform. It's signaling you're with the left.
And they're still doing it to this day.

Speaker 4 It's like crazy. I think I'm just too out of it.
I mean, because I see that and I'm like, okay, especially if it's a man, you're totally emasculated and pathetic. Definitely.

Speaker 4 You have no self-respect at all. You hate yourself and for good reason.
That's the first thing I think. With contempt, but also pity.

Speaker 4 Like, I just can't, like, you actually see people with masks outside. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Unfortunately.
And

Speaker 5 I do think like the people that you're talking about outside the convention,

Speaker 5 that's also a means to commit a crime and get away with it.

Speaker 4 Well, that's right.

Speaker 5 That's really, so a lot of states in our country, I don't know if it's all the states, but a lot of them. have anti-masking laws of course on the books.

Speaker 4 And the concept is that you should act to the 1920s.

Speaker 5 You shouldn't like a bandit, like be able to just rob a store with a handkerchief tied around your face so they have anti-masking laws which i think are still on the books and no one's ever gotten rid of them i think those were anti-clan laws i think in most places well that would that would be a useful uh law in order to prevent that activity so anyway but they but these guys and they commit crimes and it's the same it's the true about antifa how often did we see a riot committed by Antifa where they destroyed things, where they killed people, where they burned, they burned down the third precinct in Minneapolis, all of the chaos.

Speaker 5 And they're wearing masks in order to prevent people from knowing who they are so that they can be held accountable. And we accept it because the left says, well, mask wearing is necessary.

Speaker 4 I don't want to digress too much, which is a problem that I have, but

Speaker 4 did the FBI ever? I mean, I know we spend a lot of time tracing the roots of Christian nationalism and like scary middle-class grandmothers are still in jail from January 6th, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 But did anybody in law enforcement ever get to the bottom of Antifa? No.

Speaker 5 No. And they've shown almost no interest in it.
In Antifa.

Speaker 4 In fact, you remember. Who came to my house and threatened my wife, vandalized my house, killed a bunch of people around the country.
Yeah. And were just totally ignored?

Speaker 5 I remember really clearly. Did the cops ever follow up with you after?

Speaker 4 No, of course not. Your house was attacked? Of course not.

Speaker 5 Anyone ever?

Speaker 4 I don't want to make it about me or whine about it. It's not about me.
Well, no. They didn't hurt me.

Speaker 5 You would think being a victim of it, as your wife being a victim of it, then maybe you'd be given a readout on what happened.

Speaker 4 No, nobody cared. And um the cops did come to my house uh months later

Speaker 4 in fact two

Speaker 4 black cops both of whom told me they were voting for trump

Speaker 4 in dc

Speaker 4 great guys yeah came to my house and told me to carry a gun when i went outside which the cops had the cops told you you're on your own that's what they didn't say you're on your own they said we recommend you that you carry it but that is the message which i you know which i did of course but um no they were actually great

Speaker 4 But no, but there was no effort to kind of find out who did this. But it's just interesting.
Again, I don't want to make it about me because it's not.

Speaker 4 But I just think it's remarkable that you could have this armed militia in the streets that still exists and nobody at the FBI.

Speaker 4 They really are criminals, the people who run the FBI, if I can just say, Chris Ray's a freaking criminal. I'm trying not to use the F word.
But they don't get to the bottom of it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, just ask the crisis pregnancy centers around the country.

Speaker 5 So all the pro-life pregnancy centers the ones who actually help mothers yes who actually provide diapers and formula of course and who work with them in the early stages of child's life yeah adoption like angels on earth uh i've every every single person i've interviewed who works with or for a crisis pregnancy center is first of all a lot better person than i am yes and they you can feel the spirituality come off yes i totally feel the goodness the innate goodness come off of them and um

Speaker 5 all of the crimes against those places, they don't get solved. In fact, they don't even get looked into in any meaningful way.
And that includes firebombing.

Speaker 5 That includes vandalism, smashing windows, attacking these facilities. Meanwhile, if you're singing church hymns outside of an abortion mill, your life will be destroyed.

Speaker 5 If you're a grandmother singing church hymns outside of an abortion mill, your life will be destroyed.

Speaker 5 And when Merrick Garland, the attorney general, was asked about this in Congress, like, hey, crisis pregnancy centers being destroyed, old ladies singing outside of abortion mills, He said, Well, he didn't say the old lady, but the old lady, uh, her face is out and it's in daylight, so we can catch her.

Speaker 5 But the Antifa people they do it at night.

Speaker 4 So, Speaker Mike Johnson, who's constantly telling you what a great Christian he is, um,

Speaker 4 sort of led the effort to refund the FBI and build them a new headquarters and has done nothing.

Speaker 4 Uh, I mean, the FBI is now a kind of anti-Christian

Speaker 4 secret police force.

Speaker 4 And the purportedly Christian speaker of the house just sort of rubber stamps their funding every year and nobody does anything about this. I mean, you can feel the frustration in my voice, I think.

Speaker 4 It's totally despicable.

Speaker 5 And I hate dwelling on that. I do too.
Because what it starts to do is it creeps into your mind, but none of it matters. Like you start becoming so fatalist about it.

Speaker 4 No, you know, so true.

Speaker 5 It's like, it's like, I don't care whatever the outcome is. It's all going south.

Speaker 4 It's totally right.

Speaker 5 And I don't want to be tempted by that thought. Like, I really don't.

Speaker 4 That's deep. Actually.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 4 But it may. Not that I have any idea what you're talking about, Vince.
It drives me so crazy. No, I know.
Which is why. Okay.

Speaker 5 So do you think Trump learned enough lessons from round one in order to do it differently in round two?

Speaker 4 I can't answer that question.

Speaker 5 You can't because I have no idea. I don't want to.
You don't want to.

Speaker 4 You know, you hope so. I mean, I think like a lot of people.

Speaker 4 Why am I talking? I'm here to interview you. But since you asked, I think like a lot of people, well first of all i really like trump enormously as a person

Speaker 4 um

Speaker 4 a b i think that the alternative is so shocking that i you know i've kind of put on pause all thoughts like the one you just raised exactly right um

Speaker 4 because it's it's super clear what's going to happen if the democratic party holds power it's not about kamala harris she's not even i don't think there's any evidence she's like an actual person no right so it's about the party it's about the collective it's about the people who really have wrecked the country continuing to loot it and to destroy the First and Second Amendments, the Bill of Rights, civil liberties in the United States, for another four years, which will really be kind of the end.

Speaker 4 And then you're just a one-party state. That's what I foresee.
And that's just so bad that I'm not spending a ton of time thinking about like the question that you just raised.

Speaker 4 But, you know, I hope so. for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 But the, the, I mean, first of all, the chances of both of these scenarios are very high, like one where Kamala wins and we head for what you think is the end.

Speaker 5 Do you, is it that, is it that dark for you?

Speaker 4 Do you think? Well, I have no idea. My ability to foresee the future is like non-existent.
Every political call I've ever made is wrong.

Speaker 5 And that's true, by the way, of almost like literally everybody in politics.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And I also think just judging from my own brief and not very exciting life.

Speaker 4 One takeaway from it, though, after 55 years is your victories turn out very often to be your losses and your losses almost always turn out to be your victories.

Speaker 4 And we don't see that as people, it's a consistent theme throughout history, throughout the old and new testaments.

Speaker 4 It's like, just when you think everything is lost, that is, I mean, well, that actually, that's the theme of Christianity out of, you know, being tortured to death. Don't you feel like saved?

Speaker 5 So don't you feel like that that happened in 2020? So in a sense, the losses of 2020 have definitely hardened.

Speaker 5 like the world of normal people to the point that like they're not playing games anymore. They're not dressing up their language.
They're being very clear about their thinking. Yes.

Speaker 5 They know where all of this is going. They're not trying to suck up to everybody else.

Speaker 4 No, that's right.

Speaker 5 I mean, I like, look, if we had to do 2020 over again, I don't want the outcome that we got. But I will say, it's made a lot of people better.

Speaker 4 And in fact, you and I have talked about it. It's made a lot of people better.
That is absolutely right.

Speaker 5 The spiritual component, the religious component in the country took off in a way that I couldn't have foreseen. No, that's right.
In 2020, don't you think?

Speaker 4 I

Speaker 4 felt it coming. coming.

Speaker 4 I don't know why, but I actually have not been surprised by it. I've been delighted to see it, but not surprised.
But I do think

Speaker 4 that

Speaker 4 people I know am really blessed to know are all deeper and smarter and warmer with each other, more real with each other.

Speaker 4 you know, more, more I love yous, more honest.

Speaker 5 They're more intentional.

Speaker 4 Way more.

Speaker 4 So I just know for my own family, and I'm not talking about material prosperity, I just mean I'm speaking only in terms of love, is so much stronger and happier, you know, for after COVID, after all the, after the BLM riots, after all the sadness we've seen, after the clearly stolen election, you know, all these bad things happen,

Speaker 4 but, um,

Speaker 4 but people I know love each other more.

Speaker 4 So yeah, no, you're absolutely, so like, I'm not going to even guess, I shouldn't even have said all that about the Democratic Party because I don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 Well, I guess if you take the long view, which as a Christian, you should, if you take the long view, in the end, you're not really all that disturbed by the pace of this.

Speaker 5 I mean, you're disturbed on behalf of your family, of course. You care about your country,

Speaker 5 but you have this eternal optimism that, well, the Bible does kind of lay out the misery that precedes glory, you know? Well, that's exactly it.

Speaker 5 And so in the end, you always wonder, like, at what stage in history are we living through?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I think you have an advantage because you're 15 years younger than me-ish.

Speaker 5 Something like that.

Speaker 4 Something like that, maybe more.

Speaker 4 But I was born in 69. And so from 69 to 2016,

Speaker 4 my core assumption was, you know, everything's great and everything's going to get better every year. And like bad things don't happen.
Our system is totally solid.

Speaker 4 And, you know, there are, of course, bad actors within the system, but they don't control the system. The system is fundamentally real.
It is a democracy in some loose sense. Yeah.

Speaker 4 The people do have a say in how they're governed, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 9-11 is real.
You know, like whatever. I just like kind of believed everything.
And,

Speaker 4 but, you know, the lesson of history is there's always turmoil and a lot of things are always going to be fake. Right.

Speaker 4 And, you know, the Lord of the earth is

Speaker 4 Satan. I mean, that's kind of right.
And so it's just like, this is what it is. It's what it's always been.
I just think people who are your age are less shocked by that than I am. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. My main impediment is just being shocked.
Like, I can't believe this is happening. Yeah, that's true.
What?

Speaker 4 They're putting people in prison for praying at abortion clinics. Like, what? They replaced Easter with Trans Visibility Day.
I can't believe this.

Speaker 4 Which is kind of like, I'm not a boomer, but it is kind of, thankfully, I'm not a boomer, but it's, it's kind of a boomer response.

Speaker 5 The opening ceremonies to the Olympics. Yeah.
The fact that they would do a fake Last Supper with all trans people or drag people, it's like,

Speaker 5 does it get any more brazen?

Speaker 5 That, I mean, and they, and they're like, oh, it's totally normal.

Speaker 4 Like, what do you, what are you all complaining about? What?

Speaker 5 I mean, it is, they double barrel middle finger every Christian on earth.

Speaker 4 Of course, because Christianity is the enemy. That's what they hate.
That's what they, that's what they actually hate. Like all the other, all the nonsense.
We're here to help black people.

Speaker 4 We're here to help trans people. We're here to help immigrants.
You're not here to help anybody. You're here to oppose Christianity is what you're here to do.
Period.

Speaker 4 That's their goal, whether they know it or not. But don't listen to what they say.
Watch what what they do. For sure.

Speaker 4 So what, okay, tell me what to make of, speaking of spiritual themes in our politics.

Speaker 4 The

Speaker 4 abortion lobby shows up at the DNC this week and sends with them a mobile vasectomy clinic.

Speaker 4 So you can get snipped. If you want at the DNC, this at a time where the birth rate among Native born Americans is like not way below replacement

Speaker 4 not having babies. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Why would that be your priority?

Speaker 5 It's a death cult.

Speaker 5 It's a total death cult. I mean, every look at the bottom of every one of these policies that they pitch and they sell you as like a good thing is human suffering at the bottom of all of them.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So a really good example of this is the climate stuff. So let's assume for a moment that all of their climate catastrophizing is correct.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 5 That it's our activity that's making the earth warmer.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 5 Well, it turns out that the warmer the planet is, the better it is for humans.

Speaker 5 More humans survive in an environment where the earth is warmer. In fact, when the earth is colder, lots of people die.
Lots of people die.

Speaker 5 And so, and there's no actually no, there's no challenge to that science whatsoever. It's totally clear.

Speaker 5 You know, if it's a matter of like sea level rise, all this other stuff, we have like amazing alert systems, hurricanes.

Speaker 5 The reason people don't die to hurricanes is because we have such a far out advance notice that they're coming.

Speaker 5 Our buildings are so much more durable.

Speaker 5 They never talk about death counts, by the way, when they talk about hurricanes and what they're doing and the climate change way fewer people die due to hurricanes now it's never at its core about human flourishing ever so if it's not about human flourishing it's about the opposite it's about death it's they're totally fine with it in fact they view us as a cancer on the earth at least the the radical left's so-called environmental movement and the abortion thing it is it is it's a death cult all sort of like pagan tribal religions have had death rituals.

Speaker 4 Of course, human sacrifice.

Speaker 4 That's one constant. Yes.

Speaker 5 On my radio show, I refer to this as human sacrifice all the time because that's what it is. And it's so, it's

Speaker 5 breaking yourself of the spell of using their terminology is such a challenging thing to do because it's like everywhere. It surrounds you.

Speaker 5 It's like every newspaper you read, every television show you watch, every social media post you consume, lots of them in the past.

Speaker 5 They use like the language of the left as it's shifting, as it's modifying. And if you don't use the language, you're censored.
So it's mind control, as you know. And so

Speaker 5 the obsession with death and advancing it as a social good is one of the most destructive things that any culture can do. And we're living through it.
I mean, this abortion fetish is out of control.

Speaker 5 And you know what's even crazier is that the Kamala campaign, to the extent that one exists that has a policy agenda, that's their thing. They think that's their number one issue.

Speaker 4 Is abortion. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And they think that she's a great pitch woman for it. She's so good at abortion.

Speaker 4 She's like, so how many abortions would equal freedom and happiness? We don't have enough abortions. That's the.
No.

Speaker 4 But is there, can they, I mean, I always feel like in politics,

Speaker 4 you know, effective politicians describe the future they will bring you if you vote for them. Yeah.
Vote for me and you get whatever, a new car. Fine.
I get that.

Speaker 4 What, but when you run on abortion, it's like we have a lot, we have hundreds of thousands of abortions every year, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of abortions every year. So

Speaker 4 how many more until we're happy?

Speaker 5 I mean, some years we've had, I think, in the vicinity of a million abortions a year, which

Speaker 5 for those people who pay attention to immigration, that's about the number of legal immigrants we bring into the country every year.

Speaker 5 So we're aborting a million Americans and then importing a million workers each year, give or take. That number changes.

Speaker 5 And it's super disheartening because it's like, well, first of all, you're killing off the next generation of the people who have a vested interest in this country.

Speaker 5 And then you're importing people who don't at all.

Speaker 4 It's and no, no tie to its history at all or to its systems or to its creed. Yeah.
It's not its culture to its language.

Speaker 5 They're not even bothering themselves with that questions. Like a sensible immigration system would actually be predicated on those questions.
What can you contribute? How much do you adhere?

Speaker 5 Are you going to assimilate? Are you going to buy into our culture and creed? Those are the core questions of how you compose a country and allow immigration at the same time.

Speaker 5 They're not even, they're eliding those.

Speaker 4 Who cares?

Speaker 5 Just bring everybody in and forget legal. We'll just, we'll establish an app south of our border.

Speaker 5 You just, like an Uber, you just sign up to come into the country and the Biden administration will human traffick you in.

Speaker 4 Yes.

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Speaker 4 And then convincing Americans that having children is like the worst thing that they could ever do. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Who would get a vasectomy at the DNC?

Speaker 5 That component of this

Speaker 5 is the part that makes me think that Turning Point is paying for it or something. Like

Speaker 5 somebody set up, like a right-wing group set up a vasectomy machine outside of the DNC is pretty funny.

Speaker 5 But I don't know. I mean, the left has been obsessed with abortion for years.

Speaker 4 And birth control.

Speaker 5 And it hasn't diminished the number of people who buy into the storyline.

Speaker 4 It's just so interesting. I mean, I've been pro-life, you know, since my 20s anyway,

Speaker 4 when I had kids and really thought about it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Even before then.

Speaker 4 But I did never really connected that to

Speaker 4 birth control. I mean, I'm Protestant.
I never had any problem with birth control, practice birth control. But

Speaker 4 I'm not even sure what I think of it now, but I know what I think of people who are obsessed with preventing conception and childbirth. Yeah.
Like, what is that? Why the obsession? Yeah.

Speaker 5 They're obsessed with it, and then they pretend that there's like no moral qualms about it.

Speaker 4 Well, they're obsessed with it, and then they pretend that everyone else is like, you're obsessed with controlling women's bodies. No, I appreciate women's bodies.

Speaker 4 I don't really want to control anybody.

Speaker 5 It's stupid, but that's like, that's, that's misdirection, of course.

Speaker 4 It has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 5 That's like putting it in, putting the debate in a place that they feel that they can have it safely but like if you were for it and there are a limited number of people who i've heard make honest arguments like yeah it's extinguishing a human life like a human life dies yeah but i think it's worth it they try and at least that person is being honest about what's happening yeah at least that's an honest conversation instead what the left does is like you'd be like okay well we want to pass a law to prevent late-term abortions no late-term abortions which by the way majority the whole country agrees that no baby should be killed in the third trimester.

Speaker 5 That's a terrible time to do that.

Speaker 4 It's always a terrible time, but that's where the public a child who can live outside the womb? Yes.

Speaker 5 And so what the left says is, oh, that never happens. Or they'll say, oh, it only happens in very rare, very rare circumstances where the life of the mother's on the line.

Speaker 4 Really? Because actually, that's bullshit. Yeah.
That's total bullshit.

Speaker 5 And the reason I know that is because the Guttmacher Institute, which is the leading gatherer of abortion statistics on behalf of the abortion industry, says that the majority of abortions that take place late term are healthy babies, healthy mothers.

Speaker 5 Healthy babies, healthy mothers, the majority. Nobody knows this because the media doesn't tell you that.

Speaker 5 It oftentimes involves like women who either didn't know they were pregnant until, which suggests that they probably weren't all that healthy, like

Speaker 5 physically healthy, or it's women who did their own question on whether or not they would get the abortion at all. They eventually, in a very late stage, decide to do it.

Speaker 4 Or are pressured into it.

Speaker 5 Or are pressured into it, which is a means for helping the worst kind of men in our country. Of course.

Speaker 5 And that's really, I mean, at its core, like if you really wanted to attack it, it's a deeply misogynist institution.

Speaker 5 You know?

Speaker 4 Women only have value to the extent they work for me at some bank. Yeah.
I mean, no one ever says the, you know, the truth, which is, has to do with labor.

Speaker 4 But women are amazing employees because they're more dutiful and reliable than men. And having had a lot of women work for me, I can, I can say that.

Speaker 4 I worked in a business that was, mostly women and they're amazing employees. They're less distracted.

Speaker 5 They're more task oriented.

Speaker 4 And they actually do what they say they're going to do.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean? They don't space out and try to improvise midway through or get high in the men's room and forget. Right.
They just like women, just like my daughters as compared to my son.

Speaker 4 You know, they're just like, they do the job. And so it's great to have women work for you.
And they're nice too, especially if you're a man. They're like, just, you just get along with them.

Speaker 4 It's great.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I love working with women. But there's a temptation, like if you were

Speaker 4 soulless to want to encourage them, like, not to have kids, because they get in that kids are a higher priority than your, whatever stupid job you're offering them.

Speaker 4 Do you know what I mean? 100%.

Speaker 4 And so the labor market pushes this shit, this anti-fertility stuff on women, tells them it's liberation. And I'm sorry to say this, but a lot of them like don't think it through.

Speaker 4 And they're like, yeah, it's liberation.

Speaker 4 It's sad. And

Speaker 4 that's how you wind up with this. Yeah.
There's

Speaker 5 a group. I think it's based in D.C.

Speaker 4 It's capitalism, Vince. We have to support it or else we're against free markets.

Speaker 5 There's a left-wing group in D.C. That's dedicated to this issue.
What you're talking about?

Speaker 4 Really? Yeah. Well, I support them because I agree with you.

Speaker 5 PPAU, I think that's what they're called, like progressive anti-abortion union or something.

Speaker 5 And at its core is exactly the argument you're making, which is like, why are we telling women to be wage slaves?

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 5 Like, why are we telling them that their most important purpose is corporate America? To work at a bank. All the way through their ability.

Speaker 4 You were born to work at a bank.

Speaker 5 Like, literally, like,

Speaker 5 imagine if you had a window of time where you could perform magic in your life. Literally, this, and the magic could only be performed during this like 20-year window of time.

Speaker 5 And some company hired you and said, we'll hire you under this condition. You never use your magic.

Speaker 5 You never, never once will you be able to use this magic ability that you'll never be able to do again. You can never use it during the time that you work for us.
Okay.

Speaker 5 In fact, we'll pay for you not to do it. And which is what they do.
They do this to women. And that they have this like, they have this incredible magic, miraculous ability.

Speaker 5 And we have huge sectors of our society dedicated to telling them, don't use it.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Don't you dare.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You

Speaker 4 can create life. Yeah.
Or you can create a spreadsheet. Yeah.
And we think the spreadsheet's more important.

Speaker 5 Or you can create value for our stock.

Speaker 4 It's so unbelievable. And what's interesting is

Speaker 4 I'm now,

Speaker 4 I keep attacking Republicans. I plan to vote for them, just to be clear.
Don't have an option. But the number of Republicans who sort of leaders, I'm talking about not the voters,

Speaker 4 by and large, but their leaders like totally buy into that. And they're like, I wish these, you know, pro-family, anti-abortion people, Christians would just shut up.
Just shut up.

Speaker 4 Like, how does that help private equity or war against Iran? No. Do you know what I mean? Like they're, they, they totally agree with the left on these issues.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because

Speaker 5 I think part of it is like they're too lazy to take the mental inventory necessary to make the arguments. I think that's part of it.

Speaker 5 Honestly, having met, I mean, you've, you've met way more of these guys than I have, but I've met a lot of them.

Speaker 4 Oh, they're so disgusting.

Speaker 5 And if it's not, if it's not an issue that's like in the headlines right now, there's not a lot of deep thoughts on the subject. No.

Speaker 5 You know, like they, there's not a lot of like existential thought thinking going on,

Speaker 5 which is unfortunate. It's really unfortunate because the right, the normal, the normal American, which I love using, by the way, I just, I think the phrase normal is like the best way to attack it

Speaker 5 because it really does reflect like what we are all thinking fundamentally.

Speaker 4 Like we get right and left. Normal people like babies, right?

Speaker 5 Normal people like flourishing families. Normal people recognize the value that is given to them.
And they feel awful for the people who've been sold the lies.

Speaker 4 And so we should just speak up for it.

Speaker 5 And you should, if you're a conservative politician, Republican politician, and you don't have a good argument against the death cult, one, you shouldn't be a politician.

Speaker 5 You should get out of the game entirely.

Speaker 5 But two, like, at least like sit down, maybe, maybe you have a wife, sit down with her and talk about it and like come up with some clear answers and then fight for what's right.

Speaker 5 And then fight to create a world where people don't feel like they need to kill a baby in order to thrive.

Speaker 4 You know, I would like to see, I mean, maybe I'm getting less,

Speaker 4 I don't know, laissez-faire as I get older, but if you see the energy that went in to destroying the lives of all those middle-aged, diabetic,

Speaker 4 lower middle class white Americans who went to defend the Constitution on January 6th, like really, we harnessed the entire machine to crush them. Yes.

Speaker 4 As long as that machine exists, why not turn it on any company that encourages its female employees to, quote, freeze their eggs?

Speaker 4 There's something about that.

Speaker 4 Like any company that encourages women to work themselves to death in pursuit of some totally pointless goal like private equity or banking, and then tells them, but we'll pay for you to freeze your eggs.

Speaker 4 Why don't we sick the FBI on them? Yeah. As long as we're sicking the FBI on people.
I don't know. I mean, it's like,

Speaker 4 sorry, I know I'm not supposed to say that, but I think that. Like, those are like, that's evil.
That's totally evil.

Speaker 4 It is, I mean, give up the one thing that really matters that will bring you joy in your age in exchange for some shitty job at Citibank.

Speaker 5 The January 6th thing is like, is the, is the perfect, the perfect understanding, wait a, the perfect template for understanding all of us, because remember in the wake of January 6th, that Washington Post article about how they were all in debt?

Speaker 4 Oh, it was like, I never will forget it. It was the last piece of journalism that paper committed.

Speaker 5 It was like three or four days. It was very close to January 6th.
They did like a basic piece of journalism. Like, who are the people in the crowd? Yes.

Speaker 5 And the answer to that question was that they were all in deep financial distress. Most of them.
Not all of them, I guess, but a lot of them.

Speaker 5 They had bankruptcies and massive amounts of debt and were very, had a lot of financial discontent. And that was the last time I think that that paper treated them as humans.

Speaker 5 But at its core, what that story tells you is that they don't have the financial means to fight back.

Speaker 5 If you have the full weight of the federal government against you with a bottomless pit of resources, they can print their own money. There's no chance you who have declared bankruptcy.

Speaker 5 are going to survive in the face of that. No matter how decent you were, no matter how few laws that you actually broke or whatever, it doesn't matter.
You're going to be destroyed.

Speaker 5 But if you're Purdue Pharma, you're going to get immunity if you to

Speaker 5 litigation, if you make opioids that kill people.

Speaker 4 Well, of course, you'll still be the Sacklers are still billionaires.

Speaker 5 You're going to lie to them about that. Or, you know, if you're, heck, even Khaled Sheikh Mohammed was headed towards a settlement until like there was a national uproar about it.

Speaker 5 And that guy, the 9-11 mastermind, how many years out are we from that? And we have January 6th grandmas who are serving years in prison.

Speaker 5 The guy with the guy who you interviewed, Jacob Chansley, like years, like the sentences that these people have been given, lives destroyed. Khalid Sheikh Muhammad still haven't resolved that.

Speaker 5 The 9-11 attacks.

Speaker 4 It's crazy. Have we,

Speaker 4 so we got Kevin McCarthy,

Speaker 4 the former kind of mediocre speaker who is now much missed by me

Speaker 4 to give up some of the 9-11 footage.

Speaker 4 right before I got fired.

Speaker 5 But the January 6th, rather, the January 6th.

Speaker 4 Did I say 9-11? You did, yeah.

Speaker 5 I was like, wow, that's a story. Tell me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that is a story. Like, why are there any 9-11 documents still classified? Like, what is that?

Speaker 5 Why are there any JFK documents still?

Speaker 4 Well, you know why to protect people who lied about those events. But anyway, back to January 6th.
Sorry. Why are we going to have to wait

Speaker 4 61 years to see the rest of the January 6th footage? It's been almost four years. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 why is the Republican speaker continuing to hold all of of this footage? Why not make it all public?

Speaker 5 Sometimes I think that they get so obsessed with controlling the storylines.

Speaker 4 They're not even good at it, though.

Speaker 5 But it's like, well, we can't let that be the kind of story because that could be a cost to us. I'm like, I don't know.
What is the evidence that you're great at this?

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 5 you know, what, what evidence should exist that demonstrates that you are the person that we should rely on to set the timeline for when the public finds out this stuff? That's idiotic.

Speaker 5 And yeah, I'd happen to believe that telling the truth is the most important thing because the more you do that, so long as you actually believe in our system as a place where the voters get to say,

Speaker 5 they have to have that in order to make those decisions. Of course.

Speaker 5 That's it. That's the whole ballgame.

Speaker 4 You can't have democracy with censorship, period.

Speaker 5 Can I, can I, I know you don't want me to ask you too many questions, but let me ask you one, at least.

Speaker 5 The fact that they replaced Biden

Speaker 5 made me a little bit hopeful that the election isn't quite as rigged as you might expect.

Speaker 5 In other words, they were so concerned that the voters really would have their say with Biden in office that they replaced him. They said, we can't, this is too much.
And

Speaker 5 I've talked about this with friends on the right, and some of them are under the opinion that, oh, no, it was too obvious.

Speaker 5 Like, so if they're going to rig the election, it'd be too obvious because nobody likes Biden and they don't want to give away entirely that it was rigged.

Speaker 5 That's kind of the, I think, the way that they explain this away. I don't think, I think that's, I think that's wrong because the left is completely brazen about their lies.

Speaker 5 I don't, I don't think they would pause for a moment moment to be like, oh, no, the public thinks it's rigged because Biden got reelected.

Speaker 5 I actually think that at least at this moment that voters, kind of like the way Trump is saying, if they can make it too big to rig, they really do have a say right now, which is why the info war continues, like the battle, as Alex Jones says, but the battle over the voters' minds is still so intense.

Speaker 5 It suggests to me very strongly that the election system really does work, at least to an extent.

Speaker 4 But I think that's true in any system.

Speaker 4 I mean, what's so striking to me is how, just having traveled a lot and looked at a lot of different systems around the world, is there really are no purely totalitarian countries or systems and never have been.

Speaker 4 I mean, Stalin, who is about as close to an absolute dictator, Mao, same, as the world has ever seen.

Speaker 4 You know, both of those regimes spent a huge amount of time and money on propaganda, even though they had absolute power. They could kill anyone they wanted.

Speaker 4 So you really do end up ruling by consent whether you want to or not, whether it's manufactured consent or legitimate consent, but you have to control people's brains.

Speaker 4 You can't just rule indefinitely at the point of a gun. So,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm not, I think you make a good point. I want.

Speaker 4 the people in charge to at least try to convince me because that shows respect. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure what is going on, to be honest with you.

Speaker 4 I mean, I haven't done hallucinogens in 35 years, but I'm getting that kind of weird kind of like dream sequence feeling about American politics right now. Yes.

Speaker 4 I'm not quite sure what the hell is this?

Speaker 5 Well, you had Ben Carson on recently. Yeah.
And he said something

Speaker 5 stuck with me. I love Ben Carson.
Yeah. He's a great human being.
And

Speaker 5 he's the perfect case study in the way that the media will destroy you as soon as you turn against their interests. Yes.

Speaker 5 Because Ben Carson was a celebrated

Speaker 5 neurosurgeon, pediatric neurosurgeon,

Speaker 5 up until the moment, and to the point that it was in childhood curriculums to learn about Ben Carson's life in schools. And you'd read his book, Gifted Hands, and learn all about him.

Speaker 5 They later made a famous Hollywood movie about his life. And the second he ran for politics, they cast him as a moron.
He's an idiot.

Speaker 4 He's an idiot.

Speaker 5 He's so stupid. He messed up brain surgeries all the time, right? You started seeing all these like stories come out.
And he was heralded by places like the New York Times.

Speaker 5 And then, of course, and then after that, eviscerated the second he was declared interest in Republican politics. And the second, especially that he spoke up on behalf of life.

Speaker 4 He's so on the God frequency, though, as you know, because I know you know him. He's like, it doesn't even, it doesn't bother him.
It doesn't bother him.

Speaker 5 He's got such a great attitude. I love it.
It's infectious. So he said to you that this switcheroo that they just pulled off is a test of the media's ability to rig the election.

Speaker 4 That's right. Nicely put.

Speaker 5 And I love that.

Speaker 4 I love that because it's true.

Speaker 5 And we're witnessing it right now. So my thought process is, and I wonder about you too, is

Speaker 5 that at what point does the media's ego get in the way of their partisan priorities? In other words, Kamala is refusing to do interviews.

Speaker 5 And right now, their partisan priorities are to get her elected. But you and I both know these people in the press.

Speaker 5 And if there's one thing that might override their partisan priorities, it's their obsession with themselves. To the point that like this drumbeat of like, why isn't she doing an interview?

Speaker 5 Why isn't she sitting down with CNN? Why isn't she sitting down with ABC?

Speaker 5 It's enough to be enticing to the people in that world that they're like, you're beginning to see at least little murmurs of it. Like, oh, she, she should do an interview.

Speaker 5 Well, you know, the voters deserve that. You're beginning to see, I think that their egos may override their.

Speaker 4 I hope so.

Speaker 4 Though, I guess the counterargument would be to work at a place like NBC News or CNN, and I've worked at both, um, now

Speaker 4 requires total degradation. Total.
Like you can have no self-respect at all

Speaker 4 or you couldn't work there because you're being told to say things that are obviously untrue, to lie every single day. There's no dissent allowed.

Speaker 4 And your average adult man wouldn't put up with that because it's like, well, I have opinions too. And as a like a human being and not a slave, I get to express my opinions.
No, you can't.

Speaker 4 I think that's an intolerable work environment for anyone with any dignity at all. Therefore, the people who work there,

Speaker 4 most of whom I know, they just don't have any dignity left.

Speaker 4 I mean, I hope I'm wrong. I want everyone to have dignity.
Yes. I don't see it.
Do you?

Speaker 5 No, it's like very humiliating.

Speaker 4 It's so humiliating.

Speaker 4 I work at CNN, really?

Speaker 5 Just the crimes of omission are really obvious.

Speaker 4 They're just liars.

Speaker 5 It's, and then to like go on TV and then to treat people who would support Trump with contempt, which they were doing like this very weekend. There's like the Sunday shows.

Speaker 5 They're like, we interviewed these people and they have no idea what what they're talking about. It's basically like, what?

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 5 And you do living like this absurdly pampered life, like completely away from all of the problems that these people have,

Speaker 5 very real problems.

Speaker 5 I saw Don Laman is running around right now. He's doing Man on the Street interviews.
That's his latest iteration. For whom? For Don Lamont.
This is DL on his microphone. For his own.

Speaker 5 On his microphone.

Speaker 4 I haven't talked to Don in a while. I had high hopes for Don, but he learned nothing.

Speaker 5 I know you did. I know you did.
Sad.

Speaker 5 Because you're good about that. But when he was talking to these.

Speaker 4 We got fired the same day.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 I called him right away.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I call everyone when they're fired.

Speaker 4 Period. But yeah, he, Don, I,

Speaker 4 I wanted him because usually getting fired, you know, you learn something about yourself.

Speaker 5 It's humbling.

Speaker 4 It's so important to be fired regularly, I would say, especially if you're arrogant like I am. So I've really enjoyed getting fired, but, and I thought this will be totally good for Don.

Speaker 4 It'll be totally good for me, which it was.

Speaker 4 And, but Don didn't seem to even pause.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 5 And the giveaway was his interview with Elon Musk. It was a total disaster because he refused to take any inventory of his priors.
It was entirely a political, like partisan talking points exercise.

Speaker 5 It was really embarrassing, actually, because

Speaker 5 if Don Lemon, I want to get back to his man on the street thing in a minute, but Don Lemon, like a decade ago, was willing to say things on television that his network didn't agree with. Yes.

Speaker 5 And there's like this famous Morgan Freeman interview he did where the two of them were sitting around talking about how obsessing over race actually exacerbates racial division in the country.

Speaker 5 And we should stop doing that. That's what the two of them sitting there agreeing on that subject.

Speaker 4 I was like, what happened to that guy?

Speaker 5 He just, he just sold out, I guess.

Speaker 5 From afar, I don't know him. But how can you get fired?

Speaker 4 If you're Don Lemon and you get, you know, you're hired at CNN,

Speaker 4 you're gay, you're black. You obviously can never be fired, obviously, because you can't fire someone in those categories.
Ask anyone who runs a business. You can't, you're afraid to.

Speaker 4 And they fire you anyway.

Speaker 4 Then at least part of you has to think, like, how did I get fired? Like, what did I do wrong? I must have played some role in this. They suck.
Okay, that's fine. I hate my bosses.
They humiliate me.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm mad at them. I get it.
I've certainly been there. But come on, it's like a marriage.
Like if it, if it blows up, each side has some culpability. What's mine? Like, what did I do wrong?

Speaker 4 That's true. I don't think he even,

Speaker 4 and I had a long conversation with him on the phone. I should have said, Don,

Speaker 4 you know, you've got good. I think Don has good qualities,

Speaker 4 great qualities for TV, actually. And I told him that, but you should just really pause and ask yourself, like, yes, CNN sucks.
I can confirm that as a former employee, but you kind of suck too. So

Speaker 4 that's what fired people have to ask themselves, but he never did.

Speaker 5 Well, the underlying question for, at least for me, watching from the outside was, okay, so now he's free. He doesn't have anybody telling him what he, what he has to say.

Speaker 4 No, it's so great. The script is gone.

Speaker 5 And there's nobody, there's no advertisers for you to, in fact, you can build your own. You have to emit that whole world.
And he stuck to the script.

Speaker 5 I was like, oh, so I guess he truly believes this nonsense. And that gets to this man on the street.
He's talking to people like all across, I guess across the country.

Speaker 5 He's going to different places or. beach communities that he's staying in.
He just happens to put a microphone in people's faces. I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 But he's talking to people and he's asking them, who are you supporting? And he's getting a lot of people saying, Trump. I'm voting for Trump.
And a lot of black people responding.

Speaker 5 I'm voting for Trump. And in one, he confronts the guy who says, I was better off financially under Trump.
And he says, that's not true.

Speaker 4 Don Lemon. That's not true.
Don Lemon. No, you were, you were happier.
He's like, no, Trump wasn't president. He's like, fact-check false.
Fact-check.

Speaker 5 False.

Speaker 4 Like, did he actually?

Speaker 5 He didn't say the words, fact-check, false, but he virtually did it. He was like, no, no, no.
Things are much better now economically.

Speaker 4 And you're like, what world is he living in?

Speaker 5 And, and, you know, I guess in some sense, it's definitely, I guess he buys into the facade.

Speaker 5 If he truly believes it, he buys into the facade. Because like this, all this conversation about the economy, like, it's very, it's skin deep.
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Speaker 4 No, but can I just ask, even like

Speaker 4 economic analysis aside, the arrogance required to look into someone's face and disagree with his own assessment of his financials?

Speaker 4 It's like, no, actually, no, actually, we've never met before, but what you just told me about your life is not true. It can't be true.
It's like,

Speaker 4 shut up and listen. Just listen to people for a second.
Like, it's, first of all, it's kind of fun. Second, you learn a lot.

Speaker 4 And, but how arrogant would you have to be not to listen?

Speaker 5 Just ask a few questions and then bounce your own assumptions off them and see what they say.

Speaker 4 Vince, I know you, you told me that you were diagnosed with cancer recently, but you don't have cancer. We've never met.
I'm not a physician, but I just want to say you don't have cancer. Silly man.

Speaker 4 That's right. That would be true.

Speaker 5 That'd be true if I met Corey Bush, right? She has healing hands. You know that story?

Speaker 4 No, wait, stop. What's wait, Corey Bush has healing hands?

Speaker 4 Corey Bush is convinced that uh she has the ability to heal illnesses with her hands okay she just placed her hands on you and you're healed uh she said i believe that that exists she no but corey bush specifically has this power and she's been holding out on us i think uh because because corey bush the congressman congresswoman just got beaten in the primary there's like a lot of there's a lot of illness all across the country why is she wasting her time not healing it yeah what is she doing in a committee meeting when she could she could she could be fixing pancreatic i mean i thought yeah i thought biden's whole thing was like curing cancer the moonshot initiative hello we've got corey bush yeah hello cancer rates skyrocketed under biden quite incredible yeah amazing

Speaker 4 wow so don is doing sorry just to close out the don lamon conversation he was highly annoyed he told me that i called him don lamont i thought it was hilarious and by the way i said it with affection

Speaker 4 mr lamon is here yeah he always reminded me of ricardo montebon and fantasy island welcome to fantasy island it's a better it is a better pronunciation

Speaker 4 i just always pictured him in like an ascot like roll with it like be who you are. You know what I mean? Totally.
He had a kind of Suave Bolo vibe to him that I found hilarious and kind of charming.

Speaker 4 And just be that guy. Don't give me a lecture about journalism.
You have no idea what it is. You've never practiced it.
Just like be your kind of 70s self. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Whatever.

Speaker 4 But what is, who is he working for now?

Speaker 5 I have no idea. I don't know how much

Speaker 5 money he's generating or what, but. I guess it's kind of funny because he was, he's like complaining about his relationship with Elon Musk and he thought he had some arrangement.

Speaker 4 I i don't even know what that means but he's still producing content and posting it to x so oh whatever i my feeling was and again i haven't called him i should

Speaker 4 um is that he was kind of running out of options again if you're don lamont and you get fired from cnn

Speaker 4 like how hard would that be i mean how many times did the hr department say when he was hassling female employees for example like yeah we can't we can't fire this guy i'm sorry like it had to have been pretty bad yeah To get that far.

Speaker 4 I think so. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's pretty amazing. So what Biden's talking tonight at the DNC, what's he going to say?

Speaker 5 I know what he's not going to say, which is he's not going to hold everything that happened against

Speaker 5 to him against his own party.

Speaker 5 He's not going to take it out on them.

Speaker 4 He is.

Speaker 5 suffering the latest indignity to his presidency, which is the sitting president of the United States is speaking on night one

Speaker 5 of the Democrat Convention.

Speaker 5 That's as humiliating as it gets.

Speaker 4 You're so right.

Speaker 5 It's the lowest billing place they can put him. They want to get it done and over with so people don't think about him for the rest of the week.
That's a good point. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 5 And, you know, and they're dressing it up as if, oh, it's a theme. You know, we have him first and then Obama second and then Clinton third.
And

Speaker 5 then Kamala finishes things off. This is what they want to leave you with.
But realistically, you understand the tactics here. It's like they want to bury this.

Speaker 5 They know they've got to feature him, but they want to bury it on night.

Speaker 4 If the DNC was a fancy restaurant, Biden would be seated right next to the men's room. For sure.
That is not a fashionable table.

Speaker 5 He's in the last row in coach.

Speaker 4 Totally.

Speaker 5 Really upset that there's a line for the bathroom next to him.

Speaker 4 He's in a middle seat. Yeah.
That's what I know. It's such a good point.
He's, but

Speaker 4 I mean, he deserves it and so much more. And he'll get.
He'll get what he deserves. But

Speaker 4 like, it does seem like prerequisite for party membership is being willing to set aside your own interests, your own self-respect, your own dignity on behalf of the collective.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, how bitter do you think he is about this in real life?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't know to what extent he's capable of complex emotions or thoughts like that at this stage because he is impaired.

Speaker 4 But I know pretty certainly that his wife and his son and his daughter,

Speaker 4 you know, feel the sting. I mean, how could they not? Yeah.
Guys, president of the United States,

Speaker 4 he is still president, right?

Speaker 5 But then Obama stabbed him in the back and in the front. And Nancy Pelosi stabbed him.
They all did. They swooped in and they took him out.
And they're not really ashamed of it at all.

Speaker 5 They're like, they're pretty nakedly brazen about it.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 that's what we're left with. And like, it is so fundamentally at its core anti-democratic.
It's not about at all about the consent of the governed. In fact, the primary itself was rigged.

Speaker 5 I mean, Biden should have never even been on their primary ballot. The voters, 14 million, which is not that many people, but 14 million people registered this house on the subject.

Speaker 5 And they said, we're with Biden. But again, it was, it was rigged.
They kept everybody else off the ballot.

Speaker 5 They wanted to keep RFK away from it and Dean Phillips and anybody who would possibly even deter from Biden gathering.

Speaker 4 My pal, Jill Stein.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Jill Stein, all of them.

Speaker 4 But can I just ask just

Speaker 4 like about the nature of the Democratic Party? It's I don't vote Democrat because I don't agree with them on most things. Well, now I don't agree with them on anything.

Speaker 4 But really, I don't vote Democrat because I don't understand like the requirements for membership.

Speaker 4 Like you've got a couple of brothers, parents, wife, child. You know, you've got a very, I know your family and very close family.

Speaker 4 If somebody said, you know, in order to remain a conservative or Republican or a radio show host in good standing, you have to denounce your brother Fred. Not a chance.

Speaker 4 Like, I think you'd die before you did that.

Speaker 5 Not a chance in the world. Right.
That's right. Not a chance.
If they told me to reject the tenets of my faith, I wouldn't. If they told me to attack my family, I wouldn't.
Under any circumstances.

Speaker 5 No. In fact, that courtesy, that obligation extends to the people I care about who aren't my family.

Speaker 4 Me too. Me too.

Speaker 5 So that's like.

Speaker 4 So personal loyalty is more important to you. Love is more important to you than any human-made structure, correct?

Speaker 5 A hundred percent.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 5 A hundred percent.

Speaker 4 But that's not true for partisan Democrats.

Speaker 5 It's not true in the Biden family.

Speaker 4 Just look at what they did with Joe.

Speaker 5 I know. I don't, there's no circumstance where I let my senile grandfather like run the country.
Yes. Nevertheless, drive a car.

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 5 You know, you take away his license and you figure out how to take care of him.

Speaker 5 How many people do you know where as they had relative advanced to like really late stage of losing their faculties, they had to take their guns guns away or like take their license away.

Speaker 5 That's right. It's a super difficult conversation, but it's one that's done out of immense love.
It's really hard. And that's not, that's not what happened here.

Speaker 5 Instead, we all got stuck with the liabilities, the country, that is.

Speaker 5 And, you know, I do think that obviously crystal clear, as you've said for so long and I've been saying a long time, there's still a lot of string pulling going on with Biden.

Speaker 5 You're supposed to comfort yourself with this notion that somebody else is actually running the show. Don't worry.
The CNAL guy's not.

Speaker 5 But I actually think the most dangerous answer is that he is in charge of some things. And I think some of the chaos we've seen is the result of that.

Speaker 5 I think Afghanistan, in a big way, was probably as a result of his senility.

Speaker 5 The fact that we lost all those people, 13, and then he gets there to that dignified transfer of remains, which should be a dignified transfer of remains in Delaware.

Speaker 5 doesn't for a moment give them the decency that they deserve in light of his decision.

Speaker 4 He talks about himself and his own son who died in Iraq in a firefight.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Ignores them, stares at his watch.
It's, it's

Speaker 5 some of the most offensive things that any of us have ever seen.

Speaker 4 Well, he did something that I saw personally up close several years ago before he ran

Speaker 4 that I thought was one of the lowest things I've ever seen. He had this daughter-in-law, his son, Hunter's wife, who I thought was a great person.

Speaker 4 I thought she was a great person. And he winds up having an affair with his sister-in-law.

Speaker 4 And,

Speaker 4 you know, obviously this is devastating to his wife and three children, you know, but these things, you know, whatever, I'm trying to judge, but it's a big deal, right?

Speaker 4 And it's a big deal in the neighborhood that we live in in D.C. at the time.
And Joe Biden and his horrible, disgusting, ludicrous fake doctor wife issue this statement saying we support.

Speaker 4 Hunter and his new love, you know, our deceased son's widow.

Speaker 4 And don't don't even mention his daughter-in-law, who has been a loyal family member for over 20 years, has traveled a lot with Joe Biden because his wife didn't want to go with him. I saw this.

Speaker 4 And, you know, Kathleen Biden's like the mother of their three grandchildren. Like, this is not my business, someone else's family.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I generally try not to judge these things, but he issues a public statement. saying we're on the new chick side.
Well, what about this girl is your daughter? I have a daughter-in-law.

Speaker 4 Like, I know that's a really intense and important relationship in a family, particularly the father and his daughter-in-law. The mother of your grandchildren? Are you joking? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And they just ignore her like she never existed.

Speaker 4 I thought, I was so offended by that. I, I just couldn't believe a man would do that.

Speaker 5 But then they reiterated it with London.

Speaker 4 She's been on a loyal, good daughter-in-law.

Speaker 5 They did the same thing with London Roberts and her daughter, Navy Joan.

Speaker 5 You know, they, they honor his daughter, you know, just ignoring her existence, not even like, like actually going out of their way to insult her existence with the whole like stockings thing at Christmas.

Speaker 5 Like they won't even hang her name up. They refuse to acknowledge she exists.
And to this day, I just talked to London Roberts not long ago. We interviewed her.
She put a book out about the subject.

Speaker 5 And it's kind of, she still wants to kind of earn her way into their world, I think. That's the impression I got.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I don't think she should bother with that at all because like they've been pretty clear about what they think of her and the family.

Speaker 4 How could you do that? William F. Buckley did that to his son, had an illegitimate child, his grandson.
And William F. Buckley, in his will, said, I'm not, you know, no money for him.

Speaker 4 If I'm remembering this correctly, and I'm sorry, I know everyone reveres William F. Buckley, but I just, I, I lost all respect.
I have no respect for that at all.

Speaker 4 If you, it's your child or grandchild, like that's really important.

Speaker 5 The grandchild's innocent.

Speaker 4 Well, I totally agree. And your blood.
Yeah, I know. Sorry.
I don't get it. It's a big deal.
Sidetrack, but like, I think Joe Biden is actually a really rotten person, I guess is what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 I hate to say that. And I think it matters.
So what sort of person you are. I do.
Everyone's like, oh, it doesn't matter. It matters to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 It does matter. And all of the, like, the, the, you know, and Trump is a complicated person, of course.
And he's got, he has moral failings, no question.

Speaker 5 But the lies that we're constantly told about, his moral failings are like absurd. Like the idea that he's like trying to personally profit off of the presidency.

Speaker 5 Like all of the available evidence

Speaker 5 like demonstrates the complete opposite. Like he's lost billions of dollars in net worth by doing it.
It's It's endless hassle, endless litigation.

Speaker 5 What deal has existed that has enriched him as a result of having been in the present?

Speaker 4 Well, he's gotten a lot poorer for sure.

Speaker 4 Does feel to me like

Speaker 4 he's going to go to jail if he doesn't win. They're going to put him in jail.

Speaker 5 They're very desperate for that.

Speaker 4 Are they going to put him in jail before? I keep hearing, people keep sending me this stuff.

Speaker 5 That sentencing date is mid-September.

Speaker 4 That's correct, the 18th, I think.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 they really want to.

Speaker 5 This will come down to, I think, a political assessment because they don't want to martyr him ahead of it. So the

Speaker 4 putting a man in jail two months, you know, eight weeks before a presidential election? No, that's right. On fake charges? That's right.

Speaker 5 But that judge, remember, he kept threatening him with all these gag orders and saying, oh, you violated it, violated it.

Speaker 5 But he never quite put him in jail, even though he was constantly hanging that threat out there. I think it's because they became aware during the trial that this was backfiring politically.

Speaker 5 So it wasn't just Biden self-immolating. It was that the public started becoming convinced that Trump really is a victim of a rigg system.

Speaker 5 And that was showing up in the polls throughout that process. And so they have to be cognizant of this.

Speaker 5 Now, I won't put it past them to do something tyrannical that's against their political interests because they have this over the years.

Speaker 4 They can't control themselves. Yeah, but it's one of the factors.

Speaker 5 It's so unfortunate that that's it, that that's what it's all about.

Speaker 4 It's hard to believe. Yeah,

Speaker 4 I guess this is the disadvantage, as I said earlier, of age. It's like I refuse to believe that could even happen in the United States.
But if it did, I think we could wind up.

Speaker 5 I mean, that close to the election, I don't know if they'll do it.

Speaker 4 But this is, here's the thing that still amazes me.

Speaker 5 July 13th, Trump was shot in the head

Speaker 4 this year, in case you were forgetting.

Speaker 5 The news cycle lasted maybe a week, maybe two on that subject, and it's evaporated. It's gone.

Speaker 4 Do you, I mean,

Speaker 5 I was, I know how quickly news cycles move. So I've and the, and the desire not to talk about that.
I could, I could smell it coming a thousand miles away. I knew that they would move on for a while.

Speaker 4 The Trump people didn't want to talk about it, to be honest. But

Speaker 4 Biden's Secret Service allowed Trump to get shot in the face. They allowed it, whether, you know, intentionally or not.
So like, why is that not the biggest story in the world?

Speaker 5 But you would think it would be the biggest story all the way through the election.

Speaker 5 Like in, like, in, once again, normal America, if a presidential candidate gets shot in the head, you would think that the overflowing of sympathy and certainly all of the media attention on that subject would basically put him on a glide path to the election.

Speaker 5 That for the remainder of the election, which is not that much time left, that we'd be litigating all of this. How did this happen? How do we prevent it from happening? Why did somebody shoot Trump?

Speaker 5 The underlying motivations. Have you noticed? Like, there's no conversation about that anymore.
The motive, the motive question disappeared in like five seconds. It was like the vaguest shooter.

Speaker 5 It disappeared.

Speaker 4 Well, he was just your average 20-year-old with no social media profile whatsoever. No motive at all.
No one helped him do it.

Speaker 4 And, you know, there was no real security failure at all. You just couldn't put an agent on a roof with a pitch that steep.
It's just, it's pretty, pretty conventional stuff, 140 yards from the stage.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But you saw the Biden administration allow an assassination attempt, a shooting. And

Speaker 4 that's just a fact. That's a fact.
They allowed that. And again, I'm not saying they did it on purpose.
Seems pretty clear they did. How could that not be on purpose?

Speaker 4 But I don't have any proof of that. But they allowed it.
We can say that conclusively. And no one one ever mentioned it again.
And Republicans don't mention it. I don't understand why.

Speaker 5 One of the ways I think that they allowed it, one of the, because

Speaker 5 once you're knocking on really important doors, and like if you start opening a bunch of them, eventually you get to a place you're like, man, this is really dark, what we just saw.

Speaker 4 It's so dark. I agree.

Speaker 5 I think one place that I've been in is that the Biden administration is ruthless in how they wield the government politically, as we know with the United States Department of Justice. And

Speaker 5 they resent the fact that Trump gets Secret Service protection at all. They hate that they have to give him, by virtue of the law as a former president, Secret Service protection.

Speaker 5 So to the extent that they give him anything, they're just like, whatever. We'll send him something.
But protecting him, not a priority. Protecting Dr.

Speaker 5 Jill when she's doing an event in Pittsburgh in an indoor arena just down the road from Trump, you know, in a really sophisticated way with all the teams necessary to protect her and going above and beyond, 100%.

Speaker 5 We'll do that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the repulsive fake Dr. Harpy wife gets all the bodyguards she wants, but the candidate doesn't.

Speaker 5 But the Secret Service director that she hand-picked for the role, Kim Cheadle, because Kim Cheadle served on Jill Biden's detail when she was in the White House originally with when Joe Biden was vice president.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 5 they choose Kim Cheadle to run the show. The last thing they're going to do is concern themselves with how safe is Trump and should we give him what he needs?

Speaker 4 Screw that guy.

Speaker 5 We'll give him the bare minimum. Meanwhile, in case you're looking for evidence that Biden and Jill and the Secret Service are political, look no further than RFK.

Speaker 5 RFK asked for Secret Service protection because he's from the most assassinated family in American political history and because there's actual threats to his life.

Speaker 5 And he actually needs it in order to conduct a presidential campaign. But because they were

Speaker 5 so petty that they didn't want to dignify his campaign as real, they refused to give him secret service protection merely because they didn't want to give him the visual of being considered a presidential candidate.

Speaker 4 That's it. They were just like, screw that guy.

Speaker 5 So they're making all these political considerations. They refuse to give RFK protection.
And then Trump, they barely give him, they give him the B-squad and

Speaker 5 he gets shot in the head. That's one interpretation of events.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Here are a couple of fat girls who don't know how to operate a firearm.
Sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 4 Yeah, it is, it's so overwhelming that, because if you live in a country where the Secret Service is corrupted,

Speaker 4 and we clearly do live in that country, then it's like at that point, you know, that's a life or death thing. You know, that's not the education department.
That's a, that's a core function.

Speaker 5 They investigate who left cocaine at the White House and then they destroy the evidence within weeks. And they say, the investigation's closed.
There's no chance we'll ever get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 5 They destroyed it. They didn't keep it.
I mean, how much cocaine could they possibly have had? It's not like they were running out of real estate.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 5 just keep it in the evidence room. You know, we can keep this for a while.
We'll keep the case open. We'll see if we can get some answers.
They destroyed it. What does that tell you?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it tells you that

Speaker 4 maybe the one, the agencies that can never be corrupted no matter what, that have to remain as pure as any government agency can remain pure,

Speaker 4 have been totally, you know, so that would include, I'm sorry to say it. in your presence.
I know you're a product of a military family, but DOD,

Speaker 4 FBI,

Speaker 4 and Secret Service, and of course, CIA and DIA.

Speaker 5 And they're working really hard to do it to the Supreme Court right now.

Speaker 4 Oh, I know.

Speaker 5 They're working very hard to corrupt that institution because it's not serving their power interests, at least not to the extent that they want it to. And so that needs to be corrupted too.

Speaker 5 It's a virus, and it just keeps on spreading. It just keeps spreading.
And now they're using Kamala as the vehicle for all of this.

Speaker 4 And she is so

Speaker 4 dumb.

Speaker 5 She's shockingly dumb.

Speaker 4 Is she?

Speaker 5 You can tell. Can't you tell?

Speaker 4 Well, she seems

Speaker 5 well, she's dumb in a, in a, in a, in a, she's socially dumb. She, she doesn't know how to communicate with people.
Yes. Like human beings are alien to her.
Yes.

Speaker 5 And she really doesn't have time for them. And she, she tries to figure out a way to condescend to them.
And then she just ends up speaking in circles. Yes.

Speaker 5 Because she doesn't actually know how to communicate.

Speaker 4 Well, she kissed her husband with a mask on. Yeah.
And,

Speaker 4 you know, as a married person, I looked at that and I was like,

Speaker 4 there's kind of no explaining that.

Speaker 4 You know, that is sort of the end of any potential respect i had for you kiss your husband with a mask on and tim walls shakes his wife's hand on stage well tim walls

Speaker 4 i mean

Speaker 4 you know yeah

Speaker 5 come on now walls out for kamala you know yeah

Speaker 4 i mean tim walls

Speaker 4 i'm sorry uh that that it's so it's so funny to live in a society where you have to like deny obvious things i look at tim walls i'm like oh i know exactly who you are like instantly like instantly.

Speaker 4 I went to boarding school. I know who Tim Walls is

Speaker 4 big time. And you can't, I mean, I actually don't, I don't have zero actual evidence, but having spent four years in a New England boarding school in the 80s, like I, you know, his type.

Speaker 4 Are you kidding? Oh, yeah. So I had a couple of doormasters like Tim Walls for sure.

Speaker 4 Well, he did show up in your room late night drunk to talk about stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, he's like, he's like, he's absurd. He's a cartoon character.

Speaker 4 And so he is a tyrannical cartoon character. Well, of course.

Speaker 5 So like he did, he did start the gay club at his high school.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm very aware of that. He started this.

Speaker 4 What is the gay straight alliance? Gay straight alliance. Yeah.
Totally normal.

Speaker 4 He was just sick of bullying. He just couldn't, he couldn't handle the bullying events.
He was just pretty sure. It's just so funny.

Speaker 5 That's funny for a guy who shot his own residence with paintballs for standing on their porch.

Speaker 5 And that he who established a snitch line during COVID for non-compliance with it's all of a it's all of a piece, I would say.

Speaker 4 It's all very consistent with what, I mean, I remember, oh, I could tell you stories. It was, you know, whatever.
I can't even get into this.

Speaker 4 But the bottom line is, I look at Tim Walls and I'm like, I know exactly. You could have been it, you could have been the dorm master on my hall in 1984, you know, getting all the boys to,

Speaker 4 let's go boxing Sunday morning.

Speaker 4 Here's a, here's our special athletic supporter that, you know, you have to wear.

Speaker 5 But he's a very deceptive human being. Oh, like everything about him is.

Speaker 4 Does anyone else notice this about Tim Wallace? I mean, is this

Speaker 4 again? I shouldn't, well, I'm probably way over my skis. I have zero evidence other than just what seems clear.
Like, I,

Speaker 4 some of the best advice I ever got, which has turned out to be true all these decades later from a really wise person, it's like,

Speaker 4 trust your instincts on people. Like, okay.

Speaker 5 I mean, he allowed American cities to burn to the ground. I think you can mock him a little bit.
I think that's allowed for being.

Speaker 4 You know, you just hate to say things that you can't.

Speaker 4 I'm doing heavy implication here but

Speaker 4 there's something wrong with the guy I guess that's just really obvious does it does it matter he's the running mate he's the beta he's in the bitch seat does it actually matter politically probably not maybe but maybe I just don't want somebody working out their issues while trying to take charge of the country the whole thing these people are all freaks there's not like one person who has a normal happy

Speaker 4 personal life like and by the way there are very few on the Republican side very J.D. Vance is one of them which is one of the reasons I was so enthusiastic that guy was a pretty normal guy actually.

Speaker 4 But I think it really matters.

Speaker 4 If you don't go home to some normal relationship that's based on love and respect and honesty, if you're kissing your husband with a mask on or shaking hands with your wife, you're a freak.

Speaker 4 And I feel sorry for you, but no, you can't have power. No power for you, freak.
That's how I feel.

Speaker 5 This weekend, they put Kamala in some like

Speaker 5 small test unscripted moments.

Speaker 5 Let's see what she can do with this, you know? and it all went disastrously. But one of them was that she was in Pennsylvania.
She stopped at a Sheets gas station.

Speaker 5 Now, when I think Sheets, I think it's basically, you know, like a Wawa, like it's a touchscreen sandwich shop.

Speaker 5 You know, you go and you enter your order, and then the sandwich show up a few minutes later. Somebody makes a phone.

Speaker 4 I thought it was a gas station.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's a gas station. But fundamentally, on the inside, if you're going to visit the indoors of it, you'll get your sandwich there on the touchscreen.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Everyone, anyone who's lives near a Sheets knows that that's what it's worth. Yeah, that's what you do.
Kamala Harris goes into the Sheets gas station. She brings her husband and

Speaker 5 she brings Tim Walls, phony Tim Walls. And they go in together.
And what does she shop for? A bag of Doritos.

Speaker 5 She's like, she walks in. They're like, what are you getting? What are you getting?

Speaker 4 And she's like, Doritos, she says.

Speaker 5 And she walks around like she has no idea where the chips are. She's like staring all around the store.
She has no idea.

Speaker 5 And her husband grabs it.

Speaker 4 And she goes, oh, Dougie.

Speaker 5 And she reaches and she grabs the bag. She pulls them away.
She's like, I'll take those. And she rips them out of her hand, rips, rips the Doritos out of his hands.

Speaker 5 And then, and then cackles, haha, and she walks off. Everything about it felt so completely unnatural and controlled.

Speaker 4 Well, I think it's, I mean, I've only been to Sheets a few times, but the one thing I remember about Sheets, they have one of the world's,

Speaker 4 second to Bucky's, but one of the world's largest selections of chewing tobacco. Uh-huh.
Every kind of dip, like ever, including like some you've never, you know, pomegranate flavored or whatever.

Speaker 4 I always buy a tin or two there.

Speaker 4 I don't know how you could pass by the extensive snuff selection to buy Doritos. Like that itself is disqualifying.
Yeah. And they're not even Cool Ranch.

Speaker 4 Like they were regular Doritos.

Speaker 5 Like if I've, I'm not a Doritos person, but I know Doritos aficionados. Yeah.
They're all Cool Ranch people.

Speaker 4 Are they? I totally believe that. Like the regular Doritos?

Speaker 5 Like what a poser. And she has no idea what she's doing.
And by the way, you're making me think, I want to see her in Bucky's. I want to see the Kamala Harris Buckies fusion experience.
I'd love to.

Speaker 4 I doubt there are many people in Bucky's. Bucky's is a truck stop in Texas.
I think it's moved to Florida.

Speaker 5 And they have more gas station bays than any other conventional.

Speaker 4 And the cleanest bathrooms, most famously, a candy selection. I was in there late night.

Speaker 5 You can buy artwork in the bathrooms.

Speaker 4 For real? Yeah.

Speaker 5 The walls of the leading into all the bathrooms, they have artwork on the wall with prices. So when you're in the bathroom,

Speaker 5 you can choose art and buy it off the wall. Wow.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's a cool place.

Speaker 5 They make beef jerky and

Speaker 5 all the fudge you could possibly eat and all the bones. Tell me you could possibly eat.

Speaker 4 Tell me about it. I was in a Bucky's.
We were doing a book tour in like 2018, maybe. I was on the road.
Emily Lynn is sitting right there.

Speaker 4 And I had the driver pull over into Bucky's like three in the morning. We're driving from like Dallas to Houston.
Yeah. And no one had been to Bucky's.

Speaker 4 And I was like, Bucky's is the greatest because I always buy all the weird chewing tobacco there. So we're wandering through Bucky's and I get to the candy area.
I love candy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And they have like old-fashioned candy.

Speaker 4 I was going, and they had like a thing, like malted milk balls. You know, it was like $4 for four pounds.
And I'm getting this thing. And Emily comes up and takes my arm.
And she's like,

Speaker 5 I think that's enough.

Speaker 4 It's like, thank God you're here. No, you do need, that's true.

Speaker 5 You do need a woman, you're body.

Speaker 5 You impose restraint upon you. You totally do.
My wife was like kind of rushing me out.

Speaker 4 I'm like, but wait.

Speaker 4 There's like, oh, and you can buy like housewares. Oh, I was like, oh, 100%.

Speaker 5 So, So, and then I would get distracted.

Speaker 4 Besque, barbecue, charcoal. I mean, it's just.

Speaker 5 And I had my dog in the car with me. We were traveling.
And we just this past week or so. And

Speaker 5 we were, we were going to, you know, when you have a dog in the car, you put a water bowl usually like outside the vehicle, like on the ground to let the dog drink.

Speaker 5 And I didn't need to because Bucky's had a water fountain for dogs.

Speaker 4 Like they had a regular water fountain.

Speaker 5 And right on the ground, they had a little unit for dogs. So you could just get the water fountain going and the dog can drink right from there.

Speaker 4 I was like, so that's that. Okay, Bucky's is the kind of capitalism we were promised.
Yeah. And BlackRock is the kind that we got.
Right.

Speaker 4 And I feel, let's get, let's get more Buckies, less BlackRock. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Someplace that you enjoy going that doesn't sap your soul when you're there.

Speaker 4 That is interested in what you want is trying to serve you in some way. Yeah.
You know, is not like buying every house on your street and turning them into rentals or like really wrecking your life.

Speaker 5 Well, they have a Chick-fil-A style enthusiasm. Yes.
So when you walk in, they say hello and they like.

Speaker 4 But wasn't that the whole point of market capitalism? It was going to serve what people wanted. It was going to respond to the needs and desires of the population.
Yeah. Not redefine them.

Speaker 4 And actually what you,

Speaker 4 you don't want grandchildren. You want a trans kid.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, I don't know how we got there.

Speaker 4 You don't, no, you don't. You don't want that, Fence.

Speaker 4 What you want is density in your neighborhood. You want public housing on your street.
You want that. And if you don't want that, you're a racist.
Right. Right.
Like, that's actually what we got.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
We got gay race communism, but it was supposed to be Buckies with like super clean bathrooms and dog water fountains and like massive malted milk ball

Speaker 4 supplies and like every kind of dip. Not just, you know, skull and Copenhagen, but like

Speaker 4 getting into the serious esoteric chewing tobacco. That's right.

Speaker 5 Ab chewing tobacco for every man.

Speaker 4 Yeah. With no lecturing about it either.

Speaker 5 No, not at all.

Speaker 4 Yeah. i'd like the kiwi fruit yeah

Speaker 5 okay coming right up sir that's awesome it is awesome and and no judgment i mean yeah it's i don't know i mean you talk about this a lot but i just spent the last almost two weeks driving through most of east coast america i was all the way up from from maine to florida back and forth did you really yeah and what did you think

Speaker 4 i I felt sadness for a lot of what I saw. Well, actually,

Speaker 5 I love the country. So I found so much of it to be beautiful.

Speaker 4 And you grew up, your dad was a Marine Corps.

Speaker 4 You grew up everywhere.

Speaker 5 Yeah, most of the East Coast. Hawaii was our one detour away from that, but almost the East Coast my entire life.
And

Speaker 5 the country is beautiful. I love driving through it.
I love seeing how much, you know, there's so much land and there's so much to drive through and

Speaker 5 really neat and cool people.

Speaker 5 But then like, you see so many communities where things are like completely falling apart completely.

Speaker 4 And like, what were the signs of that?

Speaker 5 Like all of the elements get through your home, you know, the, the roofs are falling apart. You know, the water clearly must pour in every time it rains.
Seriously.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And.

Speaker 4 Oh, so it's not, it's not just you like saw junkies at a gas station. It's like you saw people with holes in their roofs.
Yeah. Yeah.
All over the place. Like actual poverty.

Speaker 4 If there's a hole in your roof, you're impoverished. Yeah.
We can say that.

Speaker 5 If your house is leaning over, you know, you've got some, you've got a real issue. Like you live in a death trap.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 yeah, there's a lot of that out there.

Speaker 5 And should you, if you, and I saw, by the way, in a lot of those yards, I saw Trump flags

Speaker 5 as a political measure.

Speaker 4 So we're paying for the pensions, the guaranteed retirement of bureaucrats in the Ukraine who work for the corrupt government of Ukraine.

Speaker 4 run by the anti-American, anti-Christian Zelensky. We're paying their retirement.
We're paying the civil servants of Ukraine, the whole government.

Speaker 5 Yeah, everybody. But we're paying for businesses in Ukraine to stay open.

Speaker 4 Really?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm almost,

Speaker 5 I got to go back to my notes, but

Speaker 5 I had a piece a while ago about this. And I keep notes every day for my radio show.

Speaker 5 And I remember I shared this on the air that we were paying, I think, subsidies to keep small businesses open in Ukraine. So yeah, we're paying for everything.

Speaker 4 It's so grotesque. It's hard to metabolize it.
But you drove through our own country in the last two weeks and you see people who don't have patched roofs. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so, like, the country's not doing well is

Speaker 5 an understatement. And there's lots of people who are suffering.

Speaker 5 And that's why, you know, we kind of glanced off of the economic discussion earlier, but I really think it matters that we are at a point right now where the country is at over a trillion dollars in credit card debt.

Speaker 5 This is a record. We've never had this much credit card debt in our nation's history.
And credit card debt is totally destructive.

Speaker 5 You're looking at 16, 18, 20, 22, 25% rates.

Speaker 4 Yeah, close to 30

Speaker 5 on these. And that means

Speaker 5 people are being destroyed and they can't make ends meet. The unemployment numbers are all a scam.
Would that be?

Speaker 4 Can I just ask, we used to put people in prison back when the mafia was offering loans at lower interest rates than those. Yeah, ursury.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, usury and loan sharking, we called it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And all these sort of nice italian guys wound up in jail yeah but it's cool when the credit card companies do that how does that work uh joe biden yeah you're right

Speaker 5 the senator from delaware making that happen being yeah um that that's how that works uh but people are in massive amounts of debt and the unemployment numbers are a scam because um really what they represent is that there are people working multiple part-time jobs to make ends meet that's what that means so all this stuff about like oh unemployment is slow no it's not people are working multiple jobs in order to pay for just how expensive their lives have been.

Speaker 4 And all the employment gains have been among immigrants, all of them. Yes.

Speaker 4 Net, I mean, net, zero gains among native-born Americans.

Speaker 5 Yeah, native-born Americans losing jobs.

Speaker 5 Immigrants, foreign-born workers gaining all. So it's,

Speaker 5 you know, my cousin E.J. Antonio is, I think, the single best economist on this subject.
Yes. And he's just been amazing on it.
And

Speaker 5 he's not.

Speaker 5 All of the available evidence demonstrates he's right. And no American needs a government report to tell them that they're miserable, by the the way.

Speaker 5 I love that the media sort of waits for unemployment reports to tell, like Don Lemon, like telling you you shouldn't be miserable. No, the data says not, that you're not miserable.
You're fine.

Speaker 5 Like, what?

Speaker 5 Those, all of that government stuff is one, cooked and two, a trailing indicator of what's actually happening.

Speaker 4 But a drive from, where did you go? Like you went from where to where in the United States?

Speaker 5 I was, so I was in from Greenville, Maine was as far north as I was. Great place.
All the way to southwest Florida.

Speaker 4 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so I got to see a bunch of places.

Speaker 5 I was in the Atlanta area.

Speaker 4 I went to... And you drove that whole way.

Speaker 5 I flew some of it at the beginning. And then I drove most of it.
I drove in order to get to Maine. I flew into Boston.
I drove the

Speaker 5 four and a half hours, whatever it is, to Greenville.

Speaker 5 I was in Atlanta. I was driving in the Atlanta suburbs.
I went to Southwest Florida, drove.

Speaker 5 all the way up, you know, past Tampa, went to Jacksonville, Florida, drove from there, went to coastal North Carolina, drove from there back to Washington, D.C. And I flew to be here with you.

Speaker 5 And so you get to see a lot of places. And

Speaker 5 like I said, it's a beautiful country, but it's disturbing how much of it is in disrepair. And

Speaker 5 like,

Speaker 5 you just think to yourself, you, it, there's a part of you that's like, I don't know what you could possibly do to get things back on track.

Speaker 4 I was, I don't fly very much at all. I try not to travel at all,

Speaker 4 But I've taken a couple of flights recently, commercial flights, and I'm shocked by the airports.

Speaker 4 And I'm shocked by how disorganized they are, the TSA screening. I don't remember it being that bad.
I've taken about four years off from really flying that much.

Speaker 4 And then I thought to myself, wow, I didn't know how degrading and stupid this was.

Speaker 4 I'd forgotten how degrading and stupid it was. And then I thought, you know, the people making decisions about the way this country is run, like they don't have any contact with us.

Speaker 4 There's no, there's no donor to either party who flies commercial. Like nobody flies commercial with money in this country.
It's crazy. I grew up in a rich area, in a world of rich people.

Speaker 4 Everyone flew commercial. Nobody had a plane.
Yeah. Nobody.

Speaker 4 Now everybody flies private. It's crazy.
And one of the effects of that is people who are making these decisions who are paying for these politicians,

Speaker 4 they just don't know. They don't see it at all.
And they definitely don't drive, you know, from Tampa to coastal North Carolina and then DC. They just don't.
Do you think that has some effect?

Speaker 4 It has a huge bearing.

Speaker 5 I mean, look, TSA conditions the rest of us to be compliant. I mean, that's like, so if that's not your experience, you kind of feel like that.

Speaker 4 What is the facial that you stare into a camera? This happened to me yesterday. I had to fly yesterday or two days ago.
And they're like, will you look into that? And I was like, no, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But you don't have to? Like, what is that? I'm sorry. I know I'm showing how out of touch I am.
I just don't travel very much.

Speaker 5 Is it a security theater? And like, you know, what is, first of all, what is the ID checker assessing? What are they doing, like a compelling background check on you or something?

Speaker 5 You know, what's your history of terrorism? I mean, the whole thing is really stupid and degrading and

Speaker 5 super annoying.

Speaker 4 Like, why am I standing up there?

Speaker 5 It was all 9-11 to get on a flight.

Speaker 4 It was all 9-11. George W.
Bush created all of this right after 9-11 and we had to because there was an imminent threat and we were under attack by terrorists.

Speaker 4 And then you fast forward 23 years later and talibans still run afghanistan they're way better armed with our money and their infrastructure is much better because we built it and they're still in charge and we're left in this decaying country with fewer civil liberties having to be humiliated at the freaking airport

Speaker 4 like why shouldn't we see all the 9-11 documents like why why you know if anything justifies another january 6th which is to say people just like moving up to the capital and demanding something, why wouldn't it be seeing those documents?

Speaker 4 That event changed this country profoundly and forever. Yes.
We're its citizens. We pay for it.
It's being done in our name. And we can't know what exactly happened because why?

Speaker 5 And it's changed in really stupid, tyrannical, and unofficial ways.

Speaker 4 But predictable ways.

Speaker 5 So like TSA doesn't catch anything, right? So they do their annual screenings where they like practice, like, will you catch the weapons that we put through?

Speaker 5 They put actual weapons through the x-ray machines. And the TSA agents don't catch them.
They have their fail rate is astronomical.

Speaker 4 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 5 So they're not actually even catching the things that they're tested on. And we're all subjected to do this as if it's keeping us safe, which of course it isn't.

Speaker 4 Why are we doing this?

Speaker 5 Like, I would settle for, if you want to make one modification, locks on the cockpit door. Totally fine.
I'm good with that.

Speaker 4 Beyond that, why are we doing the rest of this?

Speaker 5 I'm willing to take the risk.

Speaker 5 I am. I'd rather live in that world.

Speaker 4 It's a happier world.

Speaker 5 It's more spiritually compelling. And it demonstrates, you know, like a cohesive society.
You don't need that.

Speaker 5 And in fact, the more they make the society more chaotic, the more they justify all of this, you know, the more that they import incompatible cultures and, you know, make everyone live in squalor.

Speaker 5 Like eventually they're increasing social distrust so much that they're offering a justification for the system that they that's right.

Speaker 4 It's it's self-licking ice cream cone. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What happens at the Democratic National Convention this week? Well,

Speaker 5 I think it's going to be a big demonstration.

Speaker 5 If you're clear thinking about this, if you stare at it and

Speaker 5 you're just like objective, what you're going to witness is chaos.

Speaker 5 You're witnessing, first of all, why are they doing it in Chicago?

Speaker 4 And like what world

Speaker 5 do you appeal to the broad American middle by having a Democrat convention in Chicago, Illinois?

Speaker 4 Because none of us can ever, during the course of our lifetimes, escape the year 1968.

Speaker 4 Everything is in reference to that year. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And so I just, why not? I mean, they should have another march across the Edmund Pettis Bridge, too. I mean, everything is like,

Speaker 4 everything is a replay of that period. It's weird.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so now Kamala Harris is the nominee amazingly. By the way, this whole convention is fake because she was made the nominee weeks ago in secret in an online vote.
So this whole thing is like a scam.

Speaker 5 Everything about it is a facade. Even the votes are fake because the votes were taken weeks ago.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 5 All to foreclose on the obvious chaos that's going to happen anyway. We're already seeing it.
That's right. I mean,

Speaker 5 like, and this is, you know, God, I want Republicans to be so much better than they are. But insofar as they exist now, the way they do, Milwaukee was like

Speaker 4 placid. Yeah.
It was peaceful. It was orderly.
Yeah. It was compelling.
It was great. Great speakers.
I mean, you were there. You saw it.

Speaker 5 You had better billing than Joe Biden does.

Speaker 4 I didn't think that. I wasn't planning to go actually at all.
I didn't want to go. I've been to every convention since since 96.
I didn't want to go to any more conventions. They asked me to speak.

Speaker 4 I wasn't going to do it. And I was like, I should do that.
I make myself do it. I loved it.
I had like the best time ever. Yeah.
Why?

Speaker 4 Because I liked the vibe.

Speaker 4 I liked the people. I mean, obviously I've been around it my whole life.
So I saw, you know, everyone I've ever met was there. But also, I just, I thought it was a happy, happy, happy time.

Speaker 4 And I think it really, Trump survived getting shot in the face. And that.

Speaker 5 has motivating.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, that just changed everything.
I know it feels like that was 40 years ago, but it was last month that that happened.

Speaker 4 It was happy. Anyway, it was a great time, I thought.
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Speaker 5 After Trump got shot, I realized I liked him more. Yep.
And my views about him became less complex.

Speaker 4 I agree.

Speaker 5 Did you have the same sense? Like, in other words, I always try and maintain maintain some objective distance. Like, this is what I don't like about this guy.
I wish he would do this differently.

Speaker 5 I wish he didn't do that. I wish you hired better people.
Whatever, whatever criticism you want to level against him.

Speaker 5 And, and by the way, you should, it's your right as an American to do that because the end goal should be to make him better.

Speaker 5 And Trump is the rare politician who actually does listen to people, no matter their station in life, no matter where they come from. He's actually interested in what you think.
So that's a good sign.

Speaker 5 He'll, he'll actually change when given advice. But my views about him became less complex after that.
I was like, I really like this guy legitimately. I agree.

Speaker 5 Because what he displayed was unusual and aspirational.

Speaker 4 Did you feel like that? I felt that way really strongly. I

Speaker 4 hate complaining. I don't think men should complain.
I really mean that. It's one of my core beliefs.
It's how I was raised.

Speaker 4 And I will never shake that belief, that conviction that, you know, stop complaining. Like, what did you think this was?

Speaker 4 And I will never not admire physical courage. I just admire that.
And I want to have it myself. I don't know if I do.

Speaker 4 I haven't been tested very often in my life, but I would like to think that if I was ever shot in the way that Trump was, that I would behave as manfully as he did.

Speaker 4 I don't know that I would.

Speaker 4 You can't know, but he did. He was tested in a way that was very meaningful to me, leaving aside the politics.
But like all of a sudden, you're talking and bang, you get hit with something.

Speaker 4 It's clearly a bullet. You don't know if you're dead or not.
Yes. And

Speaker 4 then you stand up and

Speaker 4 I just,

Speaker 4 that's the acid test for me because it really matters what you're like as a person. It matters to me.
I'm not a Democrat. I don't care about your stupid party.

Speaker 4 And it's the point of the exercise is not to huddle together for increased power. Because I don't feel powerless as a person.
Right. I have a family.

Speaker 4 I don't need a party to make me feel whole, unlike liberals. And so what really matters to me is what you're like.
And do you have virtue?

Speaker 4 And, you know, Trump is a mixed bag on that question, but part of virtue is bravery. It's a big part of virtue, actually, it turns out, much bigger than I understood as a younger man.

Speaker 4 And he's brave, like actually brave, not fake brave. Oh, he's so brave.
Oh, they're so courageous. Kamala is so courageous.
She's a coward. She's terrified.
She's clearly terrified. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he's not. And that, like, like, okay, I'm voting for the guy who's brave over the coward.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And on Trump being a mixed bag in terms of like virtue and things, I always remember.

Speaker 4 Let me just say, I'm a mixed bag on virtue. We all are.
Right. So I die.
Okay.

Speaker 5 In fact, that's a Christian admission. And well, it's a true admission.

Speaker 4 Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 I always think about my dad, who you mentioned, is a Marine Corps officer.

Speaker 5 And at one point, he worked very closely, as you do, with the chaplain in his unit, a guy, great American who has the same name twice.

Speaker 5 His name is Alan allen chaplain alan allen and uh he's a great human being and my dad was once complaining to him about you know various chaplains in the military and how some of them are not so impressive and he wishes they were better and more christian and more and have more virtue and that kind of thing and uh he said

Speaker 5 uh

Speaker 5 he said vinny i think they were the same right he said uh vinny remember jesus chose 12 sinners to follow him

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 5 12 sinners.

Speaker 4 And he was right about that.

Speaker 5 And I always keep that in mind.

Speaker 4 It's like, before I like start judging other people for their moral failings. I agree.

Speaker 5 Like, like the people who were tasked with advancing the greatest message humanity's ever known were fail were

Speaker 5 had immense failings. Paul, Paul murdered Christians.
Yes.

Speaker 4 And Peter was a coward. Yeah.
I mean, it's just denied Jesus three times as predicted because he was too afraid. Yeah.
I agree completely. The most important apostle.

Speaker 5 So they choose, they just, you know, God chooses unusual vehicles.

Speaker 4 I think that's right. And I, I just, in a, in a time where, you know, reality itself is hard to identify or even define, you know, in a digital world,

Speaker 4 in an AI world, it's hard to know what is real. Everyone is struggling with this.
One thing that is absolutely real is that when you're shot in the face unexpectedly,

Speaker 4 we can see something deep about who you are. And we saw Trump live on camera.
We saw something about him that was just remarkable. It was absolutely remarkable.

Speaker 5 It was animal. It was like in a good way.
It was, it was just like, he just, it was great.

Speaker 4 It was totally great. And I must say, I talked to him that night and

Speaker 4 the night he was shot, that Saturday night, maybe. Yeah.
I think.

Speaker 4 And I was in Maine, but I talked to him and he didn't, I mean, he didn't mention anything about himself. That's just a fact.
I mean, look, I'm not flacking for Trump, but this is just a fact.

Speaker 4 It was like, did you see the crowd? They were so brave. They didn't run.
That's the first thing he said. I was like, wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 They also saved his life because the people who were outside the perimeter who began shouting up about Thomas Crooks being on the roof, the Trump supporters, they were the only ones who were raising the loud alarm about what was happening.

Speaker 5 And they were the predicate to that cop getting his head over the roof. and scaring Thomas Crooks into taking action at that moment.

Speaker 4 It's so perfect, though. It's like only the Trump voters are willing to notice the obvious.
Yes. They haven't been trained to deny what their senses perceive.
No.

Speaker 5 In fact, their senses.

Speaker 4 It's like, there's a guy on the roof with a gun.

Speaker 5 What? In fact, their senses are elevated

Speaker 4 to the peril. Yeah.

Speaker 5 No, that's right. And they can smell it.
And so it's not just some Looky Lou who's up on the roof just trying to see what's going on on the stage. They're worried about Trump's safety.

Speaker 5 And they're yelling out, he's on the roof. He's on the roof.

Speaker 4 Officer.

Speaker 5 They're screaming. They saved Trump's life.

Speaker 5 Every element of that i know we keep returning to this but it's such an amazing moment in history it is amazing every element of it conspired to save him every element of it from the people shouting the cop getting his head above the roof the the the frenzied rush to take the shot by thomas crooks as a result trump's head turned towards a chart

Speaker 5 saying moments before take me off teleprompter i don't even care i'm going to do the chart and just all of those things they could they conspired in a way that can only be divine that can only be the product of divine intervention.

Speaker 4 And I saw that.

Speaker 5 And it's one, so I had simpler views about Trump after that, and I had more grateful views about God after that.

Speaker 4 I agree with both those things. And his,

Speaker 4 you know, I would, I talk about myself way too much as it is, but I try not to because I think it's such an unattractive, the most unattractive quality in a man.

Speaker 4 But I think if I was shot, like he was shot, I'd be like. talking about myself like oh i can't believe i got shot

Speaker 4 and trump who's like famously everyone's like trump's such a a narcissist. He didn't,

Speaker 4 at least when I talked to him, he didn't mention himself. It was only about this audience.
Yeah. Wow.
And there's no one else listening to this conversation.

Speaker 4 Well, other than obviously NSA is listening to it. Besides them, yeah.
Yeah. Besides the criminals.

Speaker 4 But anyway, but he's not doing it for an audience, just me. No expectation.
I'll repeat it. You know what I mean? And he didn't mention himself.
It's only about the other people. And I thought, man.

Speaker 4 I just thought it was so revealing. It was in a way that's not fakeable.
You know, AI didn't do that. Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 5 And then you talked about that at the convention. I did.
Which was cool. Yeah, I believe those were the, that was the substance of your remarks talking about.

Speaker 4 But he was like, oh.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 4 I ad-libbed that speech. So I actually

Speaker 4 have no memory.

Speaker 5 You don't have any memory.

Speaker 5 So I guess it renders Moot the following question. I wonder, is there any point, do you ever give a speech where you feel the gravity of it?

Speaker 5 Or are you at the point where you're so used to giving speeches that even speaking on the Republican convention stage with every network in the United States concentrated on your remarks, none of that.

Speaker 4 Oh, I felt the gravity of it. Well, in the sense that they told me to write a speech.
I mean, I'm a writer. I can, I've certainly written a lot,

Speaker 4 but I don't write speeches. The one thing I, I just don't write speeches.
I never have one time in my life. But I felt like, well, I want to be the obedient little bitch or whatever.

Speaker 4 I want to do what I'm told, I guess. I don't know.

Speaker 5 I knew you weren't going to write it.

Speaker 4 I knew it. I actually.

Speaker 5 I knew it. In fact, I told, as soon as I heard that you were given an address, I said, he's not going to write it.
He's just going to do it.

Speaker 4 Well, I made a good faith effort and I, um, there was no sauna at my hotel. So I just said, I can't write it obviously without my sauna.

Speaker 4 But I did actually spend like eight hours fretting about it and trying to write it on my iPhone. And then I was like, I can't write a speech for myself.
I could write a speech for someone else, but

Speaker 4 I got to say, whatever, I'm not going to. So I didn't.

Speaker 5 I guess I know you, I know you're a good writer. Obviously, like your whole career has been writing.

Speaker 5 Even when you were on television, I would laugh at people and be like, I wish Chucker would get back to writing.

Speaker 5 I'm like, I don't think you're familiar with what he's doing on a daily basis, literally writing all the time. I just knew that you wouldn't do it because it's just, I don't know, maybe it's your ego.

Speaker 5 Like, you're going to give this speech off teleprompter and you're just going to say what's on your mind. And I knew kind of reflexively, there's no, this is the one venue.
It's just,

Speaker 5 honestly, I kind of thought like, you're just like, no, screw you. I'm not doing a speech.
I'm not writing a speech.

Speaker 4 Well, ultimately, I said that in a much more polite way to

Speaker 4 all the staff at the, you know, the really nice people who are, you know, doing the run-through and whatever. And I was like, I just can't do this.

Speaker 4 No, I don't like to write speeches because then you don't learn anything.

Speaker 4 There's something about speaking in conversation or I don't, I really believe that words have,

Speaker 4 you know, lucidated words, spoken words have, um,

Speaker 4 have like spiritual power. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
Like, what does that even mean? I'm not sure what it means.

Speaker 4 I mean, the word, I guess, is Jesus, but it's beginning of John.

Speaker 4 But there's something about we tell the truth and we don't just know the truth or believe the truth. We tell the truth.
There's something about

Speaker 4 using the one thing that we have that the rest of the animal kingdom doesn't have, which is the power of speech that makes things real and that gives them power. Anyway,

Speaker 4 I find that when I talk, or I think everyone finds this, if you think about it, that

Speaker 4 Saying something out loud allows you to understand

Speaker 4 things. Like you learn.

Speaker 4 In other words, we think of language as something that we use to inform or educate others i'm going to tell you something i do it for a living yeah here are my views but what we miss is that we're being educated too like we're learning the speaker is learning as he speaks well do you ever experience this words have immense power um for sure words are so for the reasons you just like but they change the speaker not just the listener and They yeah, and especially like, you know, when you repeat something over and over, it establishes a groove in your mind so that you kind of can draw upon it exactly to use it again so speaking is very helpful in that way um you know repetition is a good way to learn anything yeah but if you're deprived of the tools it's disorienting and it leaves what does that mean meaning like

Speaker 5 The left's current program, which has been a program for a while that many of us were late to detect, shut up racist, was to change language in such a way.

Speaker 5 Shut up racist is a perfect example. To change language in such a way that you can't even think clearly about what's going on.

Speaker 5 The reality reality is so distorted by your, by your lack of vocabulary that, or by your distorted vocabulary, that you're incapable of resolving the problem.

Speaker 5 You can smell that there's a problem, but you don't actually know how to navigate out of it. This is like gender affirming care is a perfect example of that.

Speaker 5 Gender affirming, first of all, it's already a lie because it's telling, it's establishing that your body is a mistake and that what is correct is for you to mutilate it.

Speaker 4 Like, it's like, what? We're just affirming something that pre-existed, this decision.

Speaker 5 And you scare people into compliance and then they begin to lose the vocabulary necessary to untangle it. Right.

Speaker 4 Harwell wrote about this at length.

Speaker 5 Yes, totally. And he was the best at writing about it.
And

Speaker 5 that's why it matters so much, because it's mind control. Yes.
Words are mind control. 100%.

Speaker 5 And the ability to speak to an audience. And then to, first of all, learn for yourself, but also to detect what they're actually picking up.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 5 Is a skill that you have for sure, and it's made you successful. It's a skill that Kamala Harris does not have.
It's that, that's the skill she doesn't have. She doesn't have that skill.

Speaker 5 She can't do it. She can't talk to an audience and see that they're receiving her.
She doesn't know what they're receiving. She can't read their body language.

Speaker 5 She doesn't know like how to change her tone. Have you ever noticed she tells these jokes, nobody laughs, and then she cackles to herself? Yes.

Speaker 5 It's because she isn't able to connect on a human level because She's not all that interested in what they're saying through their expressions, through their reactions.

Speaker 4 Well, she's certainly missing out on one of life's greatest and richest experiences, which is to feel the vibe of other people. Yeah.
I mean, that's kind of the only reason to be alive, really.

Speaker 4 And it's like the most beautiful, great, fun thing ever.

Speaker 4 And speaking in public is the easiest thing you could ever do. You just can't worry about it.

Speaker 4 And as long as you don't worry about it, like everyone would be great at it, actually, including Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 And when I don't know her, I've never even met her. I have relatives who know her, actually.

Speaker 4 You know, whatever. They say she's kind of amusing.
They don't hate her. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But she's obviously terrified.

Speaker 4 She's obviously afraid. I look at her.
I'm like, ooh, you're afraid. She's scared to death.
She's scared to death. That's the first thing I register when I see her.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That woman is afraid because she knows that she's fraudulent.

Speaker 5 Like a caged animal that will hurt someone.

Speaker 4 She's, she's. Well, she's a fascist.
There's no doubt. No one ever mentions that.

Speaker 4 Like she's like Biden just had, you know, 50 years of life in Washington, kind of the precedent of how things are done in a restrained republic, kind of seeped into him.

Speaker 4 She's coming from a different world. She's coming from California, which is post-political.
It's a one-party state. And she has no problem using force at all.

Speaker 4 And all the fascists around her are the same. So like, no, but I just feel, I do feel sorry for Kamal Harris.
Again, I don't know her.

Speaker 4 I'm just making these judgments on the basis of watching her, but I feel like this is someone who can't admit who she really is, what she really thinks, is,

Speaker 4 and is really, really afraid. And you feel sorry for people like that.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Which is why I loved Trump at the National Association for Black Journalists. When he went.

Speaker 4 I don't think you're allowed to love that. Oh, I loved it.

Speaker 5 I adored it. And here's why.
Tell me. So think about the weeks leading up to that.

Speaker 5 The weeks leading up to it put the Trump campaign on its heels because one, The narrative was so disrupted by the fact that they just replaced Joe with Kamala. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then the media went all in on selling her.

Speaker 4 It was like, she's so great. She's wonderful.
It's all about Joy Vance.

Speaker 5 And then they adopted this line of attack that J.D. Vance and Donald Trump are weird.

Speaker 5 Remember this?

Speaker 4 Very well.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Okay.
So they were like, weird.

Speaker 5 Now, I love laughing that off because of how absurd the use of that word. Yeah.
coming from those people is.

Speaker 4 The abortion worshipers are telling you J.D. Vance is weird.
Yeah, the men in dresses crew.

Speaker 5 Like, like, oh yeah, it's so weird.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 4 Okay. Here's our training admiral.
Not weird. But

Speaker 5 you have to be honest enough to admit it's an effective line of attack insofar as it's the kind of thing that it's like the language of the teenage girl.

Speaker 4 It's like, it doesn't require a deep assessment of what's going on.

Speaker 5 You use weird. It's a way to make somebody toxic.

Speaker 5 And it's effective. It's an effective weapon.

Speaker 4 So.

Speaker 5 There's going to be a category of voter that definitely cares a lot about the policies, cares, and specifically the ways in which they affect them their bottom line.

Speaker 5 But there are also broad categories of voters who really do kind of ride the vibes of an election.

Speaker 4 Who is this person?

Speaker 5 And I don't mean vote switchers. I mean whether or not they'll show up to the polls at all, you know.
And so, okay, weird's one line of attack. What's the line of attack on Kamala?

Speaker 5 She's a phony. She's fraudulent.

Speaker 4 She's a fake.

Speaker 5 Now, if Trump gets up on a stage and he goes, Kamala Harris is a phony. Does CNN cover that? Does the New York Times put it on A1? Does, you know, Washington Post, any of these news outlets? No.

Speaker 5 But if Trump goes on stage and goes, she's black. Like five minutes ago, she was Indian.
Now she's black. I don't know.
I love them both, but somebody's got to answer that question.

Speaker 5 Everyone went crazy.

Speaker 5 And it was perfect. And the reason it was perfect was because it forced all of the places that hate Trump to carry his remarks.

Speaker 5 And it fed an underlying, the subtext of that entire exchange is Kamares is a phony. And it implants it right into the lifeblood of the United States.

Speaker 5 Like people get to see it no matter where you come from.

Speaker 4 I wish they'd done that with Obama. He, I mean, he's half white, raised by white people.
He's more white than he is black. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Culturally, and he is exactly one half white. Sure.
So why did Republicans not say our half white president or half black president? Like, why do they have to be like the first black president?

Speaker 4 Just buy into the lie. It's a lie.

Speaker 4 And they had, it gave him moral power

Speaker 4 because it, you know, made him,

Speaker 4 it gave him claim to the civil rights movement, which is like the one sort of holy story in American history,

Speaker 4 supposedly. Self-ali, but whatever.
Everyone's been taught that. And he got to lay claim to that.
And, but no one also had the balls to puncture it.

Speaker 5 And just Russell, like Kamala, his family didn't come from, wasn't anybody else.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm aware. The whole thing was fraudulent, but

Speaker 4 just as a factual matter, as a genetic matter, I'm not attacking anybody, obviously. I'm just saying like, he's half white.

Speaker 4 But no one, that was considered so outrageous. Yeah.
It'd be like, white lives matter or all lives matter.

Speaker 4 Another demonstrably, factually true phrase that became a criminal offense, literally a criminal offense. Like the FBI investigated people for saying white lives matter.

Speaker 5 And nobody pushed back. And these categories don't exist for any practical sort of descriptive reason.

Speaker 5 They only exist for political power because like, you know, if you call Elon Musk an African-American, like people are like,

Speaker 5 That's a total violation. You're not allowed to say that, despite the fact that he had idiots.

Speaker 5 Or if, like, you know, George Carlin once cited this, like, if you come from Egypt, you're technically, you're an African-American. Are we allowed to say that?

Speaker 5 If you're an Egyptian, are you called somebody an African? No, not in American political discourse.

Speaker 4 But what does it mean allowed? Why not just tell the truth? Like, why are we such cowards?

Speaker 4 If you allow lies to go unchallenged, they harden and then they become, you know, the, they become the instruments of torture that you'll suffer under. That's a fact.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So like, why are we playing along with this?

Speaker 4 What cowards are we? Yeah. I never called Obama.
I was on TV every day of the Obama administration. I never said our half-white press.
He's half black, which is a fact.

Speaker 4 Like, I didn't have the balls to say that. What's wrong with me? Yeah.

Speaker 5 And like, you like how people get mad if Trump refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama. He'll say, Barack Hussein Obama, which is actually his middle name.
Yeah. And you're like, you can't get how

Speaker 5 racist is he for saying that.

Speaker 4 Why am I playing by your rules anyway?

Speaker 5 Because somebody was named Saddam Hussein. Now I can't say Barack Hussein Obama.

Speaker 4 Like, what is it actually matters, though, if you,

Speaker 4 if you decide that you're going to lie

Speaker 4 because someone is make, quote, making you, like, whose fault is that? It's yours. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And there's a lot of that going on, unfortunately.

Speaker 4 So I keep interrupting you.

Speaker 4 What

Speaker 4 is going to be the theme of this convention? It starts today.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's going to be.

Speaker 5 I mean, you'll see the chaos on the outside, but on the inside, you're going to be served an endless stream of lies about the current state of our country.

Speaker 5 They'll tell you that the misery that exists within it is not actually happening, that people are far happier, that

Speaker 5 things are fine. Also, you're going to get this weird.

Speaker 4 So she's going to run as the incumbent, basically.

Speaker 5 They want everything.

Speaker 4 They want it both ways.

Speaker 5 Because they're going to lie to you about the current state of affairs, and then they're going to tell you what her day one agenda is as if she didn't have power to begin with.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 5 So they're doing, and the Trump campaign's been great on this. They said her day one was three and a half years ago.
So let's stop pretending that it's starting.

Speaker 4 So that's why, I mean, they could make her president. I mean, they could 25th Amendment Biden.
I mean, they basically already have in effect, if not literally, but they could just make her president.

Speaker 4 They probably by all rights should because she does seem non-senile.

Speaker 4 But they won't because they don't want her to have to take responsibility for the current state of the country.

Speaker 4 Is that? That's my guess. I don't know.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Or they're, or they're so wrapped up in the idea that, oh, we shouldn't give it to her this way because we give it to her with the election as more legitimate or something.

Speaker 5 Like they shouldn't, the woman shouldn't have to be made president by virtue of the 25th amendment. The first woman president, but just, you know, we settled on her.

Speaker 5 I don't know what their thinking is on that.

Speaker 4 Oh, are they doing the first woman thing?

Speaker 5 They're doing the first everything.

Speaker 4 Really? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 Oh, my goodness. They're going to, that's going to be a big theme this week.

Speaker 4 First woman?

Speaker 5 The first woman president?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's just crazy that like, since we've already established that there's no definition of woman, like, why should I I care? Tell me why I should care.

Speaker 5 100%.

Speaker 4 You don't, I mean, there's no such thing as a woman. So, like, why is it meaningful that we have one as president? Yeah.
And there's no difference between a woman and a man. None.

Speaker 4 They can be Navy SEALs. So, like, what, what's the mean, what's the significance of this? There is none anymore.

Speaker 5 I mean, they've erased. There's the attacks on women that have been led by Biden and Harris are, I think, I think are unprecedented, actually, in American history.

Speaker 5 I mean, if this is another area where it's like, Republicans really should sink their teeth into this for every in every possible way.

Speaker 4 So stupid.

Speaker 5 But Title IX,

Speaker 5 the fact that the Biden administration came along and said that women are not a real category and that men can be in their locker rooms and take their sports teams and be on and all of those things.

Speaker 5 Why isn't there like a nonstop

Speaker 5 campaign against that atrocity?

Speaker 4 There should be.

Speaker 5 Like, why do we have women's sports then? What's the point of that? Why do we have any separate category for women to participate and succeed and on an equal playing field?

Speaker 4 We shouldn't under that notion.

Speaker 5 And so the Biden administration is leading an all-out assault on the very existence of women.

Speaker 5 And then, of course, wants the credit for the first woman president, should that occur.

Speaker 4 So it's incoherent, obviously.

Speaker 5 It's got all the markers of Marxism as it presents itself throughout history.

Speaker 4 Which is just deceptive to its core. It does shape-shifting and there are no fixed meanings to anything.
It's just I need to be in power, you need to obey.

Speaker 4 And that, those are the only immutable rules. Yep.
Yep. I mean, it is very much like my body, my choice here.
Take the COVID vaccs or I'll kill you.

Speaker 4 Wait, what?

Speaker 5 I thought it was my body, my choice.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 only when you're killing your kids, not when you're, I'm forcing some.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's every single, I mean, it's like, I almost called it poison, but I would be censored by YouTube if I did that. Well, so I just want to be clear.
I'm not calling any.

Speaker 4 substance that was federally mandated poison. Okay.

Speaker 5 Good. Thank you for that.
And so I mean, it's like guns too. They're the same way on guns that, you know, you don't, you don't need them, but we do.
They'll protect us.

Speaker 4 It's all, it's all is she going to get elected?

Speaker 5 Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think it's a lot closer than I want it to be.

Speaker 4 There are 30 states that are, can we fill with drop boxes?

Speaker 5 That seems like a problem. And, you know, there have been some positive advances.
like banning Zuckerbucks in 27 states.

Speaker 5 You saw like states like Georgia and Texas have passed real voter integrity laws that have increased the quality of their election system.

Speaker 5 But then there are states like Pennsylvania where things are still a little too chaotic, where you have these drop boxes across the country, Wisconsin, of course.

Speaker 5 These are pivotal states.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 no state that has drop boxes can be considered legitimate.

Speaker 4 How can I believe an election result in a state with drop boxes? Right.

Speaker 5 Yeah. If no matter what party you're a part of, if the election doesn't go your way and your state's full of drop boxes, your suspicions are going to be sky high.

Speaker 5 So how is that stabilizing for a Republican?

Speaker 4 So I had a conversation this morning, actually,

Speaker 4 with someone, a well-known, very knowledgeable person from Republican politics who said, you know, all these states with drop boxes and I'm really concerned about this.

Speaker 4 And I said, well, what don't, is there an RNC that like exists to deal with this?

Speaker 4 And this person said, well, the problem is that these drop boxes are disproportionately in what he called urban areas.

Speaker 4 And no one at the the RNC wants to be seen as criticizing the way things are done in quote urban areas.

Speaker 4 And I thought, well, why is the RNC hiring guilty white liberals?

Speaker 4 If you're a guilty white liberal, I'm not attacking you. You know, I don't want to live near you or meet you, obviously.
But there's a political party for you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, what are they doing at the RNC? Yeah. It's a great question.
It is a good question.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 it is completely critical that we get a hold of that. I mean, like, you you know, you've got, was it Michael Watley and Laura Trump are now running the RNC?

Speaker 5 They established this renewed emphasis on voter integrity and all these, I think they've got all sorts of legal challenges they've mounted across the country. That's headed in the right direction.

Speaker 5 But if you are opting out of dealing with election integrity in critical areas because you're afraid you'll be seen as racist for trying to protect the votes of the people who live there, you've lost the plot.

Speaker 5 You've lost the plot.

Speaker 5 Because it turns out voter integrity laws, if we're talking about black voters specifically, are disproportionately beneficial to black voters.

Speaker 5 Look what happened in Georgia after they changed their election laws to make it so that you can no longer just do signature matching on a mail-in ballot.

Speaker 5 They said, you got to send in your driver's license number with the ballot.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 When they did that, black voter participation went up and fewer black votes were rejected. Yeah.
It's obvious. And it's been, it's always obvious.

Speaker 5 In fact, signature matching was working to the detriment of authentic black voters.

Speaker 5 They were having their ballots thrown out because it turns out sometimes your signature doesn't match what you signed when you were 18 years old.

Speaker 5 Like when you get older and you sign, like some, and you get some idiot who's looking at not a handwriting specialist, just some random bureaucrat looking at two ballots and the signature and being like, throwing that out.

Speaker 4 Throwing what? I think the period where there's going to be this intense emphasis on black voters is coming to an end because of immigration.

Speaker 4 And native-born black voters will become less important to election outcomes, dramatically dramatically less important starting after this election.

Speaker 4 And so that means black political power, as we've thought about it for the last 60 years, will be in rapid, rapid decline. And it's just interesting.
It sort of reminds me of organized labor.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm not against unions. I'm not against black voters.

Speaker 4 I'm for all American voters, but they got sold out by their leadership. For sure.
Yeah, like so completely. And I'm not sure people really understand that.

Speaker 4 Like, I just, I just don't think it's going to matter too much, actually, because because the demographics of the country have changed so much

Speaker 4 in the last 10 years that like,

Speaker 4 do people get this? I hope so.

Speaker 5 There's like some shifting, it looks like, among black men, which has been good.

Speaker 5 The left is very angry about that. And the more angry they get about it, the more likely they are to try and take it out of them.

Speaker 4 But increasingly, it's just symbolic, though.

Speaker 4 I mean, if you have 10 million illegal aliens or 30 million illegal aliens that we don't even know the number, but it's tens of millions, and they're all going to vote, you know, sooner rather than later, probably, but definitely at some point, no one's going to be deported.

Speaker 4 Then

Speaker 4 like the whole civil rights movement, that whole mythology becomes sort of meaningless because the Democratic Party will have political power without black voters.

Speaker 4 Like, no matter what they do, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And they, the whole, and then the whole history of that party has been hurting black people, black Americans.

Speaker 5 It's disgraceful, all the way from, you know, you mentioned at the outside of the conversation, like the KKK and Margaret Sanger and the targeting, the so-called Negro Project.

Speaker 5 I mean, it has been a relentless assault actually on black Americans, which is a disgrace. And I hope, I just hope more and more people can wake up to it.

Speaker 5 But while they still have political power to the extent that they do, and it's being sold out now, as you speak.

Speaker 5 And so that's crazy. That's crazy.
And I don't.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't have a ton of friends who are black Democrats.

Speaker 4 I know a lot of and love a lot of

Speaker 4 right-wing black people, but I have one friend who's a black Democrat. He's a good guy, really good guy.
But I made this point to him a few years ago.

Speaker 4 I was like, it's kind of over for the political power that you've been talking about your whole life because of immigration. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 he had honestly not really thought about it.

Speaker 5 And well, now you're seeing it in Chicago.

Speaker 4 Now I'm bragging, but I think he agrees with me now because it's just, it's numbers. It's a numbers.

Speaker 5 How many, how many angry town hall meetings have you seen in Chicago over this issue? Yeah. A lot.
A lot.

Speaker 5 Black residents of Chicago, they're going confronting the aldermen right in Chicago, confronting them and saying, what the hell? Why? So wait a second.

Speaker 5 So foreigners, illegal foreigners are pouring into the country. They're coming to Chicago.
They're taking all of the public resources and we're being left in the slums.

Speaker 5 And how many times did it happen before you wake up to it? Like, like when the riots were happening, the George Floyd riots were occurring, and Chicago became one of the latest cities to be ransacked.

Speaker 5 The lady who looked like Betelgeuse who ran the city, she deployed the National Guard to the extent that a mayor is supposed to do that anyway, but she was given resources.

Speaker 5 She sent it to, what do they call that? The

Speaker 5 million mile or something, the really nice area of Chicago where all of her donors live, like the richest area of Chicago. Meanwhile, the south side left defenseless.

Speaker 5 People were getting murdered in the streets, losing their lives, places being wrecked because she refused to protect the most vulnerable because she had no interest.

Speaker 4 I saw this during Katrina in New Orleans. The French quarter was fine.
All the cops were in the French quarter. Lower ninth, nobody.
I saw it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, of course. It does sort of raise the question.

Speaker 4 I mean, this is the purpose of ginning up racial hostility, obviously, is to make people vote against their own interests, their demonstrable interests, because

Speaker 4 they so despise or they're so afraid of the other party coming to power on racial grounds. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's what is actually happening. Sorry.

Speaker 4 It's totally crazy. So Kamala's campaign is about what?

Speaker 5 This week it's joy.

Speaker 4 It's joy.

Speaker 5 This weekend, that's what they keep telling everybody.

Speaker 4 what's i could think of it being about a lot of different things um but joy is the most preposterous of all because for sure she's so obviously joy she's kissing her husband with a mask on so this is the most joyless person i've seen lately

Speaker 4 well this is that's consistent the pitch is opposite of everything but but why that's like a deep i've never really figured it out like why

Speaker 4 an effective lie is always like a few degrees off from center from the truth right yeah isn't it i mean last week she was like i'm for no tax on tips now.

Speaker 5 Like she's the Trump policy. Yeah, I saw that.
Now, yeah, I'm for no tax on tips. She said, okay.
Like, what? Where did that come from? Oh, I'm going to secure the border. What? Who are you?

Speaker 5 Like, will you stop lying to us?

Speaker 4 But why not instead, like, but that's not how normal people lie. Normal people, like, I catch you doing something wrong and you, you know, like, it's not as bad as it looks.
Or, but you don't.

Speaker 4 whip around and accuse me of doing the exact thing that I caught you doing. Like, what is that?

Speaker 5 No, that you do in an abusive relationship. Really? Yeah.
In an abusive human relationship.

Speaker 5 I mean, this is kind of like the classic sort of like cheating on your wife and trying to figure out a way to survive it. Yeah.
You start blaming her as the sinner, right?

Speaker 5 So this is the Democratic Party's relationship with Americans is an abusive one.

Speaker 4 I saw that. I actually saw that once.
I was actually... well, I probably shouldn't tell.
I was with somebody who I wasn't there for this, but he got caught cheating. And I was like, whoa,

Speaker 4 not a good person. And I said, what did you say? And he said, I screamed at her for spending too much at Saks on our credit card.
I was like, what?

Speaker 4 You get caught, or she had evidence that he was doing something wrong, which he was. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you attack her? I thought that was the most screwed up thing I'd ever seen. But that's a thing you're saying.

Speaker 5 Definitely. Which is why family analogies are so perfect for all of this.
It's like, like, what do you do? I know you've done this for years, but like, what does it mean to run a healthy household?

Speaker 5 Like, do you lock your doors at night? You know, how do you protect your family? You know, what does that look like? What kind of example are you to your children? All of those things.

Speaker 4 The only things that matter, you mean? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yes. The Democrats are leading the most dysfunctional household you've ever seen.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 They're like abusing the children, attacking each other, all the sins that they're committing, they're projecting onto all their other family members.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 5 It's really degrading and total dysfunction.

Speaker 4 It's awful.

Speaker 5 And it's also why it's godless.

Speaker 5 It's also why it's godless, because you begin assuming this omnipotent power over reality itself and begin telling everyone else that they're the problem and they're the sinners and that they should respond to you.

Speaker 5 And it's, meanwhile, in the healthy household, what's happening is there's a father who's demoing for his children what it looks like to have a father's love.

Speaker 5 And their children only know God through that lens. Yes.
They only can, that's how you know. How do you, so we refer to God the father.

Speaker 5 How do you even know how he functions as a father unless you have a human father as a frame of reference?

Speaker 5 You don't. You don't understand what that looks like.

Speaker 5 If you have a dysfunctional relationship with the men in your life, how are you even ever going to get your head around the idea that God the father is a loving father?

Speaker 4 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 So like

Speaker 5 all of these things, it's just I do know.

Speaker 4 I've never thought of it before, but this is a yes, I knew exactly. Of course, I knew exactly what you mean.

Speaker 5 It's why the fathers are so important. Because like all of reality centers around what your impression of what it means to have a good father is.
That's, That's it.

Speaker 4 That's the whole ballgame.

Speaker 5 So the left is leading the dysfunctional household where they're driving everybody to self-destruction.

Speaker 5 And it should be the obligation of normal people to counter that and to have a healthy household and by extension, a healthy country.

Speaker 4 That's so interesting.

Speaker 4 I have noticed the symptoms of what you're saying. And the main one is the people they're attacking.

Speaker 4 You know, I don't have a PhD on America or whatever, but I, you know, I know a lot of like rural Trump voters, for example.

Speaker 4 And they're not only good people, they're actually like the best people I've ever met. And they're also the most useful and skillful people I've ever met.
Like the most, like actually the most.

Speaker 4 They can do the most useful things.

Speaker 4 And the people attacking them, someone like Janet Yellen, the Treasury Secretary, from my perspective, which is a simple perspective because I'm a simple man, is like an utterly disgraced figure, like utterly.

Speaker 4 Like there's no one who has less credibility, a shorter track record of real achievement. There's no one who's like more repulsive in every way than Janet Yellen,

Speaker 4 to me, anyway.

Speaker 4 And she's the one helping to like malign

Speaker 4 people with real skills. It's like, that's not an accident.
This whole system is set up for useless people to have power, whereas in a just society, they would have no power. I know.

Speaker 5 Sometimes I wonder like at the lowest levels, like whether like the productive among us are like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 It's, you know, how like at the lowest levels of government, other than the household, which of course we were just talking about, like the HOAs and the community boards,

Speaker 5 like they're all consisted of like, like the insecure busy bodies.

Speaker 4 Right. No, totally.

Speaker 5 And like the productive people who should be in those roles, the ones who have families and know how to mediate a dispute between their children.

Speaker 4 Insecure busy bodies. You know what I mean? Yes, I do.

Speaker 5 They're not actually in charge of those organizations.

Speaker 4 No. And so, I don't know.

Speaker 5 This, This is the best system ever devised in terms of a government, but there are clearly weaknesses.

Speaker 5 And that's one of them. The feeder system into the bigger aspects of government is a lot of insecure busybodies.

Speaker 4 And maybe that's probably always been that way.

Speaker 4 I'm sure the Roman Senate was filled with insecure busybodies.

Speaker 4 But it never,

Speaker 4 I guess what I think is new and really

Speaker 4 obnoxious at best, poisonous at worst, is not just that like the least competent people have the most power, but that they use that power to hurt the most competent people. That is just crazy to me.

Speaker 4 It is.

Speaker 4 Like you would think like they would, at least for self-interest reasons, they would say, well, you know, people actually know how to run a power grid or fly an airplane or perform heart surgery.

Speaker 4 Like we shouldn't attack them on the basis of their skin color because we like need those people. We don't want to be Zimbabwe.

Speaker 4 But they seem to want to destroy all those people.

Speaker 5 Do you feel like that's gotten worse? I mean, obviously.

Speaker 4 Oh my gosh. Yes.

Speaker 5 Like the, the, you know, you asked me earlier about like the distance that the ruling class has from the rest of America.

Speaker 5 You'd probably be better at answering that question.

Speaker 4 Like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I obviously, you know, I guess I'm part of the ruling class.
I've been in it my whole life.

Speaker 4 And every, and I, I do think it gives me a better perspective on how lame they are. There's no mystery for me.
I know exactly who they are because I know them.

Speaker 4 But, um, and I have total contempt for them. Whoa.
I'm trying to control it.

Speaker 4 No, my conclusion, just based on the evidence, again, it's hard to know intent, impossible really, but just on the basis of outcomes, is that the whole point of the program is not to uplift anyone.

Speaker 4 It's to hurt people, specifically Christians above all,

Speaker 4 but also anyone who's productive, free thinking, you know, the people you really need, like the guys who designed and run the power grid, like those are the people you need most. Yes.

Speaker 4 First responders, firemen, cops. EMTs, airline pilots.
Like, it's not just like, oh, we need need more incompetent airline pilots. It's that we need the current group of airline pilots to die

Speaker 4 because they have skills that we'll never have. I mean, I feel like this whole system is based on hatred born of envy.

Speaker 4 That's the way I read it. And you look at there are a couple of foreign countries, South Africa and Zimbabwe particularly.
where the whole point wasn't to like redistribute the land to the landless.

Speaker 4 That didn't actually happen. All the land went to the people with political power.

Speaker 4 The point was to crush the farmers because the farmers were too productive and that was offensive to the people in charge.

Speaker 4 It's like, you go get that yield out of that land when you're tobacco or whatever you're growing. They couldn't.
So we have to crush them. They killed them.
They killed them, a lot of them.

Speaker 4 And so I feel like the hurting people is the point. That does feel, it's definitely not about helping black people or helping the trans community or helping immigrants.

Speaker 4 I probably wouldn't be totally against it if it was. I like helping people, but it's not.

Speaker 5 It's not about your policies, like all of that is enabling their destruction. The enabling is what's happening.

Speaker 5 So like, you know, this whole like the needle exchange programs, like the left has been on this for years. Wait, you're going to help people continue to inject drugs into their bodies?

Speaker 5 That's the pro that's the plan?

Speaker 5 Like all of the marijuana initiatives, like you're going to continue, you're going to doll people. That's the plan is to broadly doll the American people.

Speaker 5 The trans stuff, you're going to tell people, yes, your body's a mistake. The only intervention is my big corporate donor getting rich off of your misery for the rest of your life.

Speaker 5 Like, that's, again, to go back to the family analogy. In a family, you would intervene in a real, in a healthy family, in a dysfunctional family, you would enable.

Speaker 5 And that's what they're doing. They're enabling destruction.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 See, I can't relate. I mean, I am, you know, the oldest man in my family, pretty much at this point.
So I intervene all the time. Like that, that's what you do.
I've seen it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm an intervener, like immediate intervener. So I think that's your duty.
And I just kind of, I don't, you know, I love this country and I love its cities, for example.

Speaker 4 I've lived in a number of them, but I have contempt for people who allow like a needle exchange program to happen. Like, why doesn't someone go burn down the needle exchange?

Speaker 4 Like, I'm serious and take the lumps, go to jail for it. But you're not going to give people intravenous drugs in my neighborhood, period.
I'm not going to put up with that. Period.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And if you punish me for getting in the way, I will accept that punishment, but I'm not going to to allow it. I don't know why people allow that.
I really don't.

Speaker 4 I'm probably saying too much, but I'm not encouraging violence. I'm encouraging zero tolerance for killing people.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
And but, you know, meanwhile, the Biden administration, like sending out needle kits, like they're like, they're a part of this.

Speaker 4 And but

Speaker 4 and it's just I don't know. If you'll accept that,

Speaker 4 what won't you accept? Yeah. I mean, I mean, I was in Australia this year and they put people in camps in concentration camps, like actual.

Speaker 4 And if you bring that up, you know, that you put people in concentration camps for COVID. Well, they're not really concentration camps, really.
I remember. Where were they?

Speaker 5 Remember the colored tape that they had on the floor? If you stepped across it, you would be arrested.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and they did. They arrested people.
Yeah. People put up with it.
You're going to get to a place like Canada where they're just like, well,

Speaker 4 getting to the exact same place that Germany got to in 1933, where if you're useless, we're going to kill you. Which they did.

Speaker 4 They killed hundreds of thousands of Germans, Christian Germans, because they had disabilities or they were useless. And they murdered them in hospitals, children.

Speaker 4 And they're doing that in Canada now with the MAID program and just killing people. Well, it's just cheaper for us to kill you.
And everyone's putting up with it.

Speaker 4 It's just like, yeah, you can't put up with certain things.

Speaker 5 And they'll punish the useful. So they'll kill the useless and punish the useful.

Speaker 5 So the truckers in Canada get their lives destroyed by merely exercising what is their God-given right.

Speaker 5 which is to protest, which is to object in the democratic system in which they thought they lived.

Speaker 5 And and then had their lives destroyed and because they didn't have any power to stop it. And that was, I mean, Antifa burns down cities.

Speaker 5 Canadian truckers set up hot tubs in the streets and protest the government.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it just seems like there's no kind of way out other than saying,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm willing to be punished for trying to stop the killing of other people.

Speaker 4 And that's what I don't like about the party system. It obscures what's at stake.
It's like, well, I want my guy to get elected or my party to thrive. It's like, none of that really matters.

Speaker 4 You cannot allow some NGO to abet intravenous drug use. Like, let's just start there.
Or no.

Speaker 5 Or fund the NGOs to the tune of billions of dollars to traffic every foreign national across our border they can get their hands on.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Well, I never understood why the totally useless governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, didn't just put the National Guard on the board.
I've said that to his face. I ran into him in an event.

Speaker 4 I was like, why don't you do that? It's really complicated. It's not complicated.

Speaker 4 If there's a home invasion in my house, I'm going to get my firearm and stop it if I can.

Speaker 4 And then I'll deal with the concerns. It was my family.
So that's my priority is pretty simple, protect my family. And then, you know, if the laws are broken, I'll take my lumps.

Speaker 5 Do you think mass deportation is possible?

Speaker 4 Of course not. Of course it's not possible.

Speaker 5 So the majority of the public supports it

Speaker 4 right now.

Speaker 5 They don't have the stomach for the images of it, obviously. So the second the media can find one sob story, they'll accelerate it quickly to hurt Trump and to justify allowing the chaos to continue.

Speaker 5 And I do think there's a middle ground. I don't think you have to do mass deportations.

Speaker 4 I think if

Speaker 5 Washington was responsible enough, which of course we know the answer, they're not. But if they were responsible enough, they could just create the conditions whereby people wouldn't be able to

Speaker 5 live here and

Speaker 5 take from us. So pass nationwide e-verify, like literally force businesses to have to hire workers who are allowed to work for them.

Speaker 4 But we're so far past that because that presupposes that, you know, the immigrants are, all they're getting is access to our labor markets, right?

Speaker 4 E-Verify would stop people from working without papers,

Speaker 4 without the legal right to work. But we're bringing in tens of millions of people and giving them flat out subsidies that are much higher than American citizens are receiving.
Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So we're paying them to come here. We paid for their travel up here indirectly.
State department's doing it. U.N.'s doing it at scale.

Speaker 4 And then once they get here, it's just like it's a pinata party with U.S. tax dollars.
A bankrupt country is paying people to invade it. So at that point, it's like, what are we really looking at?

Speaker 4 Well, you're looking at suicide. Like you're looking at a country that's trying to destroy itself or whose leaders are trying to destroy it.

Speaker 4 And then that's when you reach like the point like, I just have to see more prayers about this.

Speaker 5 I don't know. I know, but you have to.
So, but if if you had like a real administration that could come in who had the will to do it, you cut off all of that.

Speaker 4 You don't need someone who could explain it. You know, words matter.

Speaker 4 Someone who could just get up and say, not against immigrants, but this is obviously suicide and we're not going to participate in it.

Speaker 5 Is J.D. Vance a good explainer?

Speaker 4 I think he's great and he's sincere.

Speaker 4 You know, certainly politics is not good for people. So, you know, I have seen people change.
I pray that he doesn't. But I, as someone who knows him pretty well, I think,

Speaker 4 as of right now, I think he's a, he's the opposite of weird. He is, and I think they're all weird.
I'm not even going to say all the people I know are actually really weird in Republican politics.

Speaker 4 It's definitely most of them. Some of them are obvious, Lindsey Graham or whatever, everyone jokes about it, but

Speaker 4 but they're there's so many freaks, like just truly deceptive people, because the business draws them like a bug light. He's not at all that way.

Speaker 5 So you're not excluding Democrats from that assessment. You're just saying, you know what, you happen to know that a lot of Republicans are weird.

Speaker 4 Anyone Anyone at this point in the

Speaker 4 training party is like,

Speaker 4 you're free. Yeah.
Oh, that's, that's a female admiral. Like, if you're saying that,

Speaker 4 what?

Speaker 4 No, I mean, in the Republican Party, which should be the party of normal people, it represents normal people. Sure.
Yeah. You know, tries to, pretends to.
So, um, no, J.D.

Speaker 4 Vance is like the most normal person.

Speaker 5 Oh, you see, so you really think that? I was, I mean, I, I, I have wondered, like, you know, a lot of these guys. Is J.D.
Vance like sort of, he's at the top of the normal people list for now?

Speaker 4 I think he is.

Speaker 4 Um, are there there are a couple who are really normal i in my opinion this is just my opinion whatever one man's opinion but

Speaker 4 um senator schmidt from missouri is wonderful man i like an actual good person i know that for a fact um so

Speaker 4 you know i'm sure there are others yeah i like tommy tuberville yeah i do so i don't know him but i i just i've talked to him a lot i thought he was a hero for the abortion fight yeah yeah i completely agree.

Speaker 4 No, look, I'm generalizing. I'm just disappointed in the party, but there are certainly a ton of freaks.
JD is not. He's like a normal person.
Yeah. And

Speaker 4 he's legit smart.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, he could definitely make the case.

Speaker 5 And what purpose does he serve? Is it just to explain or what purpose does he serve working with Trump, do you think?

Speaker 4 Well, again, these are just, I mean, my opinions. I don't really know the answer.
How does this turn into an interview of me? I just want to know why.

Speaker 4 I genuinely want to know. Because I know you're a fan of JD.
I am. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I want to know why.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I've known him since long before he got into politics. So

Speaker 4 I have, you know, a sense of him as a person, I I think, because politics does, you know, it's a very weird business,

Speaker 4 as you well know, since unlike me, you still live in Washington. But

Speaker 4 from my perspective, I mean, I can't speak to why Trump chose him.

Speaker 4 And it was Trump who chose him, you know, facing enormous pressure from sleazy, anti-American Republican donors who have all kinds of agendas.

Speaker 4 none of which have anything to do with life in the United States. Trust me.

Speaker 4 Really, really unbelievable people, but in a bad way. But he faced them all down and chose this guy because he wanted to.
So from my perspective, the message that J.D.

Speaker 4 Vance's pick sent was there is more to the Trump phenomenon than just the man. There's a set of ideas or at least impulses.

Speaker 4 I don't know, ideas, but just the basic, the basic concept is a leader of a country should look out for his own country. It's like not hard.

Speaker 4 And by picking J.D. Vance, who clearly believes that,

Speaker 4 Trump is setting up a legacy, a really meaningful legacy.

Speaker 4 Like this is the direction of the party, because people can't wait for Trump to leave in the Republican Party and just go back to being completely bought and paid for arm of the lobbying community in Washington, whether it's pharma, the banks, or certainly

Speaker 4 the weapons manufacturers, the defense industry,

Speaker 4 the killing people business that goes on that's made it such a rich city.

Speaker 4 Those people can't wait for Trump to leave and just put in some stooge, which is most of them, and call it Trumpism or whatever. But it's the opposite.
And J.D.

Speaker 4 Vance is like tangible sign that Trump understands

Speaker 4 that there's more to this than just him. This is a really important idea.
It's a very common sense idea. It's the most...
common sense idea.

Speaker 4 You can't have a democracy if the people who run the country aren't acting on the country's behalf, by definition.

Speaker 5 And it also seems like he has the most perspective out of everybody everybody in Washington. Meaning, he's lived in

Speaker 5 every category of American life. Yes.
And so as a result, if you have that much stored wisdom, you should put it to good use.

Speaker 4 I totally agree. And you hate to reduce people to their biography, and we do that too much in my view, but biography does matter.
Like how you grew up matters.

Speaker 4 The fact that, you know, you're the son of a Marine officer and grew up all around the country, like literally all around the country on bases like that, knowing you for a long time, that very much affects your worldview.

Speaker 4 That's my perception.

Speaker 4 So it does matter.

Speaker 4 And the best thing about JD biographically, in my opinion, is the fact that he grew up in, you know, one of these kind of sad communities, post-industrial communities in Ohio, southern Ohio, Appalachia,

Speaker 4 and joins the Marine Corps, enlisted. He's smart.
He winds up at Yale Law School, which really is like the center of the credential factory in American life.

Speaker 5 And forget about Ohio. There's not a lot of Marines going to Yale.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Not enlisted. No, he's like literally an enlisted, enlisted Marine.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like my father, you know, and the guys they tell you to be careful of when they've been drinking, you know, like,

Speaker 4 and he went to be at Yale Law School, and then he immediately, because it's, it's a short step from Yale Law School to private equity in the Aspen Institute. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then Trump is starting to rise and people are like, oh, here's our white Appalachian guy, except we've already molded his brain.

Speaker 4 So why don't you come to the Aspen Institute and tell us all, David Brooks and all the douchebag community, what it's like to be a product of this sad, you know, opioid-addicted world that you're from.

Speaker 4 And he does. He dutifully does.
Like, why wouldn't he?

Speaker 4 And he does this for a couple of years and he realizes through a lot of contact with these people that they're disgusting. And he winds up hating them,

Speaker 4 which is very much sort of my personal story. Yeah.
Yeah. Like my contempt is born of like knowledge and contact.
Like I'm not, this is not theoretical for me.

Speaker 4 Like I dislike these people because I know them and I know how completely they have abandoned their duty to the country and I have contempt for them for that.

Speaker 4 And JD had had exactly the same experience and he's like, I know exactly who you are. I know everything you have to offer.
Yeah. And I'm not interested.
He's got the right perspective.

Speaker 4 And boy, they hate him for that.

Speaker 5 It's so good. And he's got, and unlike them, he doesn't have contempt for the people that he grew up with.

Speaker 4 He doesn't have contempt for the voters.

Speaker 5 No. And that's the critical element.
And JD, I will say, is a lot like Dr. Ben Carson in this way, because Ben Carson kind of had that trajectory.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And once, so JD, as you pointed out, was the muse to middle America. He was the muse to the unwashed American masses.
Exactly.

Speaker 5 The left loved him when he was merely an author and they could pretend like they cared about those people. Right.
That was the only reason they loved him.

Speaker 5 And then the second he announces that he's interested in Republican politics, now he's the, now he's evil. Now we're going to make up stories about him.
The same with Ben Carson. It happens.

Speaker 5 It just happens over and over and over again.

Speaker 4 Totally right.

Speaker 4 And the fact that he criticized Trump and Trump is a fascist and da-da-da-da-da and basically saying the same things that, you know, David Brooks says every week or Tom Friedman or any of those other morons on the New York Times editorial page.

Speaker 4 And then he like realizes that, no, actually, there's like more to Trump than that. And then he ends up liking Trump.
And it's like pretty sincere, I think. I mean, I know it is because I've seen it.

Speaker 4 And they're like, wait, you can't, you can't work for Trump. You once disliked Trump.
You said the same things about Trump that we say every day. Therefore, it's like, what do you even say?

Speaker 5 As we're speaking, Kamala Harris is disavowing every position she's ever held. And the idea that you'd be critical.
They're like, oh, you didn't like Trump once?

Speaker 4 Well, I kind of like, kind of, I very much like people who change their views on things, sincerely change their views, don't just tailor their views to whatever's expedient, but who actually have had, we used to call it growth.

Speaker 4 Remember that? When people grew?

Speaker 4 They like

Speaker 4 sorted through the evidence and realized they were wrong. I mean, I've had that experience so many times.
I know, I'm sure you have also. For sure.
I like that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I like that. Tell me.
That's why I like AA meetings. Tell me how wrong you were.
Like admit it. Admit how powerless and flawed you are.
And now I'll trust you. Yes.

Speaker 4 I don't trust you if you pretend to be God because you're not. Yeah.
Exactly right. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 You just take, take everything apart and just stare at it on the floor and see what, see what fits together again.

Speaker 4 But those are honest people. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And the dishonest ones, which is most people on authority, are like, oh, I've always thought that, you know, whatever, men can become women or whatever.

Speaker 4 Trans visibility day has been important to me since 1972.

Speaker 4 Like, what? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Or they just pretend like they never had those positions.
Like, you know, Barack Obama, he was like, oh, marriage is only between a man and a woman. Like, like, not anymore, not apparently.

Speaker 5 And he's never looked back.

Speaker 4 Well, it's always the, you know, it's sad. It's the closet cases that are like so weird on that subject.
You know what I mean? It's, I've seen it so much.

Speaker 4 It makes them so uncomfortable that they kind of like go too far in the other direction. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, I'm serious.

Speaker 5 That's pretty funny. Like dating 10 women at once.

Speaker 4 Did you see the video of

Speaker 4 Biden at the debate in 2007, Democratic debate, announcing that Barack Obama had an AIDS test?

Speaker 5 Yes, I think I

Speaker 4 think it's the funniest video ever. Biden, it's at the, this is all the things that happen that get lost that nobody recalls.
But

Speaker 4 in fact, I think we put it up on our X feed because it's so good. But Biden, who really is like a soulless

Speaker 4 person,

Speaker 4 said, well, I know, I think, you know, AIDS is a, you know, it's a real problem in the African-American community. And I think we should all get AIDS tests.
I mean, Barack Obama had an AIDS test.

Speaker 4 There's a cutaway of Obama being like, I hate you.

Speaker 4 Then Biden's like, he just lets it hang there for just one second. And he's like, I mean, which is totally good.
And, you know i i think he's he's negative but i mean all men should get an age

Speaker 4 obama is so mad yeah so mad because like everybody in democratic politics knows that obama you know they all think that obama is on the down low like they all think that i trust me they think well he he uh i mean there's actual evidence for this i mean because oh i'm aware david garrow's biography he wrote about it i'm aware i've talked to david garrow about it which was like which was uh and that book was you know, it was the definitive book on Obama.

Speaker 5 That guy interviewed, so he won, what's the award? He won an award for his MLK book, MLK biography. And then he goes.

Speaker 4 He's guarding the Waters or I can't. Something like that.

Speaker 5 And then he goes on and he writes this, the most single, the single most in-depth book on Barack Obama that's ever existed.

Speaker 5 He's talked to literally everybody, like Obama's mailman, everybody, like anybody who's ever had any contact with him.

Speaker 4 Former girlfriends, too.

Speaker 5 Former girlfriends. And that's where he got the letters where Obama was admitting his gay fantasies to a girl that he was seeing.

Speaker 5 And that was, and so the media refused to cover it, which was totally real. It was like, it's, it's in the book.
There's, there's no denying it. I mean, Garrow is considered,

Speaker 5 I think, one of the most authoritative biographers alive. And, you know, people just get rid of it.

Speaker 4 And Garrow's a liberal. And, but I think

Speaker 4 I'm pretty sure. In fact, I can say conclusively that Garrow came to really kind of dislike Obama and to think he was fraudulent during the writing of that book.

Speaker 4 And that book was, I don't know, it wasn't banned, of course, but it was

Speaker 4 suppressed. It was definitely.
Yeah. Because it got,

Speaker 4 you know, it got to the core question, which is who is this guy exactly? And there's, he clearly has a lot of talents. I've always thought that about Obama.

Speaker 4 But it was, he was also like, there's deception at the core.

Speaker 5 Also, like, it kind of gives away the game because if their whole belief is that it's totally normal to be gay, then like, why wouldn't they just feel like? Well, I completely agree.

Speaker 5 Like, why wouldn't they just be like, oh, this is another great detail about his life that we've discovered?

Speaker 4 Well, I, it's so weird to be you know on the right or wherever i am and feel like you're more liberal on this stuff than like the democratic party because there are plenty of people in the democratic party who are still closeted and it's like by the way i do not believe in getting into you know i think people should be allowed to reveal as much as they want about their personal lives like privacy is really important in fact it's essential so it's not my place to you know get into that but there are a ton but the reason these including really famous ones and it's like how dare you get up and everybody else is constantly lecturing everyone about their sex lives?

Speaker 4 Like, it's your business. It's not.
Just shut up about everyone's sex life. Okay.
Yeah. One.
Two, if you're like Mr.

Speaker 4 or Ms., you know, gay rights advocate and you're

Speaker 4 closeted, like what? How can you live with yourself?

Speaker 5 Also, the core point with all of these stories is like, if, if. you're leading your life in deception, why should you have any responsibility over the rest of ours?

Speaker 4 So if you're in power over time, if you have power, it is reasonable to ask fundamental questions about what you're honest about and what you're lying about.

Speaker 4 Dude, I agree completely. And we all lie

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 it's bad, but it's like super, super basic lies, ongoing lies like that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 It tells you a lot. And as a voter, you want to know that kind of thing.
Oh, like in Kamala Harris' case, you see the

Speaker 5 intern who once worked for her, who revealed what it was like working in her office in San Francisco.

Speaker 4 I think it was approximately exactly what you would expect.

Speaker 5 Every time she walked in in the morning, they had to say, good morning, general.

Speaker 4 General.

Speaker 5 So like, I think a lot of people don't realize, like, I guess there is like, there is a format, there is like a formal title that you could refer to an attorney general as general, but it is so preposterous that almost nobody does it.

Speaker 4 It's so stupid. I know many attorneys general, many, many, more than 10.
And I've never called a single one of them.

Speaker 5 No, and they're all, and to the extent that you've ever talked to them about it, they're like kind of embarrassed by the concept. Like, you're not actually a general, so don't say that.

Speaker 4 Yeah. How many tanks do you have? Yeah, not generals.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 So she would walk in in the morning and her expectation was that every single person would stand and say, good morning, general.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Now, as you know, my dad is a Marine general.

Speaker 4 An actual general.

Speaker 5 And he said, he told me, he's like, that story alone is told me everything I need to know about her. Every single thing I need to know about her is encapsulated in that one anecdote.

Speaker 5 It's totally true. You demand the interns who are not allowed to make eye contact stand up when you walk in and say, good morning, general.
Yeah. You should not have your hands on the levers of power.

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, because it suggests

Speaker 4 hollowness, an insecurity, a fear. I mean, again, she's terrified.
This person is terrified. She's been elevated far beyond her capabilities.

Speaker 4 And she knows that, of course. That's why she's so brittle.

Speaker 4 And,

Speaker 4 you know, people like that are really dangerous. They're not centered.
They don't have limits. Yeah.

Speaker 4 We just took a break and we were laughing about all the things that we can't say on YouTube that we bleep. And really, I think the only three categories are

Speaker 4 if you claim that men cannot become women by tapping their heels together and wishing it so.

Speaker 4 If you claim that the 2020 election, you know, that Biden didn't really get more votes than Black Jesus. If you question the election in any way, and what's the third? Oh, the vax.

Speaker 4 The vax is great. Everything about the vax is great.
It's safe and effective. And if you say anything to the contrary, those you just get demonetized and then they take your channel away.

Speaker 4 But I think you can say pretty much any, I think those are the only three guidance points I've received. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So that leaves a lot, doesn't it?

Speaker 4 So, so

Speaker 4 and I just want to make directly clear that I totally believe in the vax, the 2020 election, and the tranny stuff. Yeah.
Full-blown.

Speaker 5 And I saw Bigfoot on the way in here. I don't know if people can hear that me say that.
I think I did. I saw him on the way in.
You know, the Earth is flat, of course.

Speaker 4 100%. That's moon landing fake.

Speaker 5 The moon landing is fake. I came around to that.
I didn't believe it.

Speaker 4 CIA killed Kennedy. No problem at all.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You can, you can say all of that. But so you're saying everything we said before that nobody could hear it?

Speaker 4 No, no one could hear it. No, no, no.
I was just endorsing those views. I think the vax is safe and effective.
I just want to say that Ivermectin is for, it's a horse dewormer or something. Sure.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, okay, here's my last because we're going to try and turn this around today. So I could keep going.

Speaker 4 But we have to get this into edit to bleep all the stuff that YouTube doesn't want you to hear, which you can get on our website, tuckercarlson.com, uncensored if you like. Here's my question.

Speaker 4 We both agree that there's no chance Kamala Harris gets, quote, elected president except through the unremitting lying by the American news media. Like she's their candidate.

Speaker 4 They have to get her across the finish line. This is infuriating to me.
So infuriating that I don't really watch. You have to watch because you have a daily show.

Speaker 4 Of all the dishonest media outlets out there, which is basically all of them, including the Wall Street Journal,

Speaker 4 What

Speaker 4 is the most dishonest?

Speaker 5 The most dishonest. I would say, I guess the people who jump off the page at me immediately, I guess there's two shows in particular.
One is Morning Joe, like the whole cast of Morning Joe.

Speaker 5 They literally have a character on that show who's called Barnacle.

Speaker 5 He hangs on to the show.

Speaker 5 He's been hanging on for years.

Speaker 5 But anyway, the point is like that show, like they'll change their attitudes on a dime just to serve whatever the left wants at any given moment. It's really sad.
It's pathetic.

Speaker 5 And they're so angry about Trump.

Speaker 4 And so that's they were Trump cheerleaders.

Speaker 5 They were Trump cheerleaders. And now they're Biden cheerleaders, or they have been up until Biden got replaced because Biden was close to them.
It was the show he watched in the morning.

Speaker 5 So they tailored their programming only to his interests. And it's just really embarrassing.
And I would never.

Speaker 4 So when they round you up, you and your family and put you in some camp or put you on trial for thought crimes, do you think Morning Joe will melt the defense for me?

Speaker 4 Just on principle? I don't think so.

Speaker 5 And I don't think this clip will be the reason for that. I think literally

Speaker 5 they already know what to think of me.

Speaker 4 And then it's, I know all those people very well, and it's sad to see it. I mean, Joe Scarborough is like not stupid at all.
Joe Scarborough is actually smart. Not that that matters.

Speaker 4 There are a lot of bad, smart people, but he is not stupid. He's much smarter than your average cable news person.

Speaker 5 But his, like, what they're doing doesn't represent, like, he was a Florida congressman.

Speaker 4 And then he left.

Speaker 5 And then there was who's represented by, like, like, who in Florida would say, yeah, that guy's speaking for me?

Speaker 4 No, no, but what I'm saying is like he knows, like, he, he, like Don Lamon, someone like that, you think, well, does he really know

Speaker 4 what he's saying? Right. You know, no, not really.
Um, I don't think he does. I don't think he has any idea what he's saying, actually, which kind of makes me sort of like him.

Speaker 4 Joe Scarborough knows exactly what he's doing. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, yeah. He's tactical in his presentation.
No question. I mean, and somehow he's thrived amidst all of this.

Speaker 5 Like, I don't know, like he and Mika got married and now they do the show in Florida and they pretend they're in DC. And it's like, it's all very weird.

Speaker 4 How's that going? Do they look happy? I haven't seen it in a while. I don't know.

Speaker 4 Is that working for them?

Speaker 5 I can't.

Speaker 5 I don't know. There's so much phoniness on TV.
So it's like everyone's always pretending to be.

Speaker 4 I know. I don't think it's working that well.
Did you know? I don't think it's working that well.

Speaker 5 The other show that stands out to me that's like so cartoonish, but it does have like millions of viewers is The View.

Speaker 4 Have you actually seen The View?

Speaker 5 not like beginning to end i'm i'm a clip consumer of the view yes like just like a lot of people like i i uh i i will never allow somebody to tell me what happened and then just reinterpret that event in that way like i hate that like that happens all the way that happened to you like throughout your entire career but especially you're on fox like the left always had these views of you that weren't filtered through watching a clip of your show or even or certainly not the entire show it was literally what some lefty outlet told them about you.

Speaker 5 That's their interpretation. And they never get it right.

Speaker 4 I mean, I always felt like I have all kinds of obvious faults. I have definitely have some pretty serious bigotries.
They're just not racial bigotries. But do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 They always got it wrong. They always write.

Speaker 5 You won't tolerate certain things.

Speaker 4 That's what bigotry would mean. There are certain kinds of people I don't like

Speaker 4 at all in a very unreasonable way, but they're not black people, actually. They're affluent, a lot of affluent whites.
I just don't like them, especially.

Speaker 4 Some of the ladies. I just don't like them.

Speaker 5 The ones who scream at you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the ones who scream at me. And by the way, I'm not defending that.
That's bigotry, but it's not the kind of bigotry they're always accusing me of.

Speaker 4 Which is like, yeah, you're right. I'm a bad person, but in a very different way.
Can you be

Speaker 4 more accurate?

Speaker 5 But if she comes lumbering towards you with blue hair, like you and her mask, like you kind of have a read on which way this is going.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you shouldn't judge people without knowing them, I think. But I do in that way.
But it was never, they were always like, you know, whatever. Anyway, no, do people yell at you less now?

Speaker 4 Yeah, never anymore. I don't go anywhere.

Speaker 5 Wait, but I mean in the few times that you're at an airport, for for instance, do they yell less?

Speaker 4 Yeah, not at all anymore. Oh, that's good.
It's interesting. I don't really know what that's about.

Speaker 5 Well, you know, not having your face on Fox and then the media pretending like you don't exist. Meanwhile, you have the number one podcast in the country.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but it's it basically all the lefties who would be conditioned to yell at you don't consume whatever, whatever one.

Speaker 4 I never cared. It never bothered me.
Just don't come to my house. You know, that was always my view.
So anyway, what the view, I haven't seen the view in a long time.

Speaker 5 It's just, it's like, it's like, it's over the top, like comical cheerleading for like everything the left is for.

Speaker 5 And they're always against Trump at all odds, like at all costs, no matter what he does. He's always guilty of everything.

Speaker 5 He was, he was rightly prosecuted by every Democrat prosecutor in the country. He should be in jail.

Speaker 4 It's like, it's just. Is Joe Farrer's daughter still on there? Yeah.

Speaker 5 And nobody talks about that.

Speaker 4 He is such a nice man. Joe Farrer is a nice man, and he had this.

Speaker 4 very low IQ daughter. World in that daily, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he's just a nice guy.

Speaker 4 I've known known him like 30 years and he's just a nice person. And, but he had this daughter who was like an idiot and

Speaker 4 sad.

Speaker 4 And she went up in the view, I heard.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but nobody holds the Joseph Farrer thing against her. Like, meaning I, I realize that

Speaker 5 you wouldn't hold it against her. But what I'm saying is like the left for years demonized World Net Daly and Joe Farah.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 So like, like under like, I guess, normal circumstances, anything even related to him, they would demonize, but not so with her. Like, she's on the show and nobody even brings it up.

Speaker 4 Like, nobody ever. She's, as I remember, is the kind of person who will just say whatever it takes to get the acceptance of the people around her.
Is she like a regime defender?

Speaker 5 Almost entirely. Occasionally, she'll like issue like a squeak of moderation in the midst of all of their babbling, but, but no, for the most part, a regime defender.
And it's really sad.

Speaker 4 Stupid and easy to control, like a lot of people on TV. It's awful.

Speaker 5 But then, like, of course, there's like Joy Behart, who like once wore Blackface and she's still like on the show.

Speaker 5 And, you know, Whoopi Goldberg, who like clearly doesn't do any research, yeah. She just wings it entirely, uh, which is funny.

Speaker 4 Joy Behart, so I did the view once 20 years ago when I worked at CNN. The PR department pushed me to do the view.
And the only thing Barbara Walters was there, I remember that.

Speaker 4 I remember thinking the whole thing was like so mindless, but Joy Behart was like the screechiest human being I'd ever met in my life.

Speaker 4 Is she still that way?

Speaker 5 100%.

Speaker 4 Maybe worse. Probably worse.

Speaker 5 Really? Yeah. Probably worse.

Speaker 5 It is crazy. And do you think that like any world in which Whoopi Goldberg is moderating whatever meaningful, whatever little debates might be breaking out at the table is like crazy.

Speaker 4 One last question. Do you think like

Speaker 4 I know that there are very, very few Republican donors who

Speaker 4 are worth much, unfortunately. There are some, but not a ton.
But I always thought like a show like The View and a person like Joy Behar, that could could be such a brilliant disinformation campaign.

Speaker 4 Someone who's so unappealing, so like prima facial repulsive that she pushes people away from her position.

Speaker 4 Could it be that Joy Behar is actually getting funding from ex-Republican donor to discredit the other party's program?

Speaker 5 She works for Elon.

Speaker 4 Well, you do kind of wonder.

Speaker 4 And she's still that way. Yeah, she is.
She's got to be 150 years old at this point. It's so, it's so crazy.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I don't even really know how like she got jobs like wasn't she on cnn at one point she had like a head i don't know not when i was there

Speaker 5 after you were there okay anyway the point is it's like it it still exists they're still crazy it makes for great fodder for clips i mean i love yeah clips from the show because it's so ridiculous it's so easy to eviscerate it's like ben shapiro debating a college student it's like the like the easiest stuff uh it's funny yeah thank heaven for that a daily show would be impossible without the rest of the media yeah for sure i remember certain days when i had a daily show thank heaven heaven I don't do that anymore.

Speaker 4 But be like, oh my gosh, it's August. Like, what do we talk about? This is before the news went totally crazy at all times.

Speaker 4 But, you know, there's always some Tom Fox, our genius producer, would always be like, what? I don't know what to write about tonight. He'd be like, I'll send you some clips.

Speaker 4 And they would piss me off so completely. Yes.

Speaker 5 You have like Don Lemon saying that a plane disappeared into a black hole.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 5 And you're like, of course, we have to do that. But you know, actually, now that I think about it, that may be the one thing he was right about.

Speaker 4 I was just thinking that exact same thing. That was the old Don Lemon.
That was like Don Lamon before he decided to do

Speaker 4 that.

Speaker 4 Totally. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I remember mocking him and being like, oh, that's so stupid compared to what? Like, what's so what's, what's, what's the real answer?

Speaker 5 Yeah. And like, I think it was what, I think when he said that, there was like a panel of people on and everyone looked so embarrassed that he said it out loud.
Yes. But he stuck to it.

Speaker 5 And that was his greatest moment. Yes.
I.

Speaker 4 Totally actually, I'll end with this. His greatest moment ever.
And I think

Speaker 4 correct me if I got this wrong, but he was profiled by like Atlanta magazine or something. Do you remember this?

Speaker 5 I remember.

Speaker 4 I don't remember the magazine specifically, but I may be getting this wrong, but he's sitting and the reporter is a female reporter, very good writer, this woman. I think I know her, but whatever.

Speaker 4 Anyway, she was, I can't remember who it was, but she's having lunch with Don Lamon. And he's like, you know, in journalism.

Speaker 4 You know, the thing about journalism, Vince, those who have been chosen to practice it. to stride its hallowed halls, men like Woodward and Bernstein and myself.

Speaker 4 And he's just giving this like impossibly pompous lecture. And the waiter comes up and he's also like fussy and pompous.
And Don Lamon goes,

Speaker 4 I'd like some lemon sorbet.

Speaker 4 And the pompous, fussy waiter goes, I'm sure it's actually pronounced sorbet,

Speaker 4 which is like devastating. Actually, you mispronounce the name of the dessert.
Yeah. You pompous.

Speaker 5 After trying to impress

Speaker 5 with how impressive you are.

Speaker 4 But Don Lamon is living in this like airtight bubble of self-esteem that's just impregnable. Like you can't violate Don's self-esteem.
It's just, it's bulletproof.

Speaker 4 And so he goes, no, my man, it's pronounced sorbet.

Speaker 4 I'm like, I love you. He's

Speaker 4 so stupid, but it's real.

Speaker 5 He's stuck to his guns.

Speaker 4 I love that.

Speaker 5 That's the best. Bring back that, Dollum.

Speaker 4 I totally agree. Vince, thank you.
Thank you, Tucker.