Vincent Everett Ellison Exposes the Lies Sold to Black America: MLK, Hip Hop Culture, & Democrats

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If you see your brother getting ready to get in anything, I don't care if he's wrong, you go with him.

That's exactly how I grew up.

That's exactly how I grew up.

You defend your brother if I don't care if he's wrong.

I don't want to see y'all fighting and arguing in the street.

If he's wrong, you go help him fight.

Totally.

Bubble kept me in.

My brother kept me in so much trouble behind that.

That's how I grew up.

If your brother kills five people in a drug-related murder spree, obviously we're against that, but get him a fake passport first.

Yeah, get him out.

See, that's why I wasn't angry at,

I don't like Cuomo, but him being supporting his brother.

I defended him too.

Yeah, yeah, I said, no, no, man, I gotta defend his brother.

That's exactly what I said.

And that's why, you know,

that's exactly right.

I don't care what it's your, he's your brother.

He's your brother.

You stand with your brother, period.

And I didn't like them firing me.

No, suspend him.

Send him home.

That's how I felt.

That was funny because of that.

And then all these people I knew who I thought were decent people were like, no, he broke the rules.

It's like, he broke the rules defending his brother.

And I don't like his brother.

Right at all.

I don't like his brother.

But, you know, when it comes to that absolute rule,

I wouldn't agree more.

And then I thought, how are these people raised?

I was at a bachelor party in Newport, Rhode Island, like 20 years ago.

I mean, I worked at CNN.

And I was, we were, of course, drunk.

My brother was much drunker than I was.

and we were walking down the street my brother getting a got in a fist fight with someone on the street and the guy punched him right up punched him knocked him down

and I thought to myself oh I could hear my father's voice going maybe touch your brother oh god so I knew I was about to get my ass kicked and I had a Polaroid camera

you know remember those Polaroid cameras you're playing some game with Polaroid cameras I don't even remember and I took it I thought I'm about to get slaughtered but I couldn't help it and I went and I hit the guy in the face with Polaroid camera It broke on his face.

Hit the weapon.

And the guy just kicked the shit out of me right in the face, knocked me backwards onto broken glass.

I cut my hands.

I had a huge black eye.

Oh, my God.

I had to go on TV the next day with a black eye.

I did not want to fight the guy.

I'm sure it was my brother's fault.

And I said to my brother, like, why did you, you know, you obligate me to get a black guy in your defense.

I knew I was going to lose.

Believe me, man.

But I could hear my dad being like, don't let anybody touch your brother.

stand with it stand with it you know man it's uh again that's why your dad reminds me a lot of my dad he was one of those he's rote-minded hard scrabble right and wrong yeah job um uh one of these men's men men and again

you know we've feminized men that's one of the things they want to do in this culture

what when did that start and why did it start

civil rights movement man all those communists and marxists got involved with all these counterculture people,

the feminists, and they wanted power.

And the way you get power is

by feminizing men.

LGBTQ comes in.

We are a threat to them.

John Wayne's a threat, man.

Jesus Christ is a threat.

The guys that stand up and say, no, it's this way, because they wanted to change everything.

They hated J.

Ergo Hoover, not because J.

Egger Hoover hated black people, please.

They hated J.

Go Hoover because Jago Hoover hated communists.

And he kicked all their asses.

He took them all down.

And when Hoover died, they had to destroy Hoover to make it seem like that the civil rights movement and all the crap they were doing with the Black Panthers and whatnot was successful.

These people were horrible people.

The Panthers were selling dope on the street.

They were in fighting and beating women.

Hewitt Newton beat Bobby Seale with a bull whip.

It was insanity going on there.

They were just a mob.

But they would take these people and they would elevate them and say that this is how you need to be because we need you as suicide bombers.

The way Hamas says it's martyr's wall, right?

So that they can have these little children growing up wanting to kill themselves for Hamas.

They're training us to be the exact same way.

Marching, sweating.

While they're setting up in Beverly Hills and Manhattan, drinking their little, you know, tequilas and whatnot, black people out there doing all the marching, all the sweating, all and getting the hell beat out of them and put in jail.

We're their shot troops.

We're their Hitler youth.

That's why they need us.

And they're going to keep that going.

So, but to feminize, so the idea is to make men feminism because you take them off the table as a threat.

Sure.

They're not a threat anymore, whatsoever.

And you and I are both old enough to remember the whole feminist movement with the bra burning and

oh, boy, I don't need a man.

We're equal to men.

Marriage is like slavery.

All of that.

And we all, that was a Marxist construct.

So So that wasn't about liberation?

Oh, it was.

I think that they tried, they sold it as that.

It was about destroying the family.

Absolutely.

Because when you destroy the family, when you destroy the whole concept of family, the government has to come in and take over.

And that's what it did.

The black family got destroyed behind that.

And now the white family is going down too.

And America's in a death spiral.

Man, they destroyed us from within.

You remember what Abraham Lincoln said, right?

He said, nobody can cross the Pacific Ocean and take America by force.

We must live as free men or die by suicide.

We'll have to destroy ourselves.

How do you destroy America?

You must take our God, drive it mad, and have us destroy one another.

And that's exactly what's happening now.

No foreign nation is destroying America.

America is committing suicide in real time.

While you and I, as we get older, sit here and watch it and say, oh, my God,

what can we do to stop this?

So the civil rights movement,

the official civil rights movement,

was and is still described as a Christian movement.

Yeah.

Was it?

No, anything but.

You know, it's been a lot of great scholarship done recently.

Virgil Walker has done a lot of good scholarship.

James MacArthur has done some good scholarship.

And they have, I mean, John MacArthur, they've looked at King's papers from Stanford.

Come to find out that King wasn't even a Christian.

He wasn't a Christian?

No, they said he didn't believe in the deity of Christ, didn't believe in the virgin birth, didn't believe in the resurrection, didn't believe in hell.

If you don't believe in those things, you can't be a Christian.

No, that's true.

So when you look at his monument inside of D.C., do you notice Reverend is not on it?

No, I didn't know that.

There's nothing about God on that monument.

Nothing.

This is not.

a mistake.

This is a confession.

They knew exactly who they were.

And our Bible tells us that a tree is known.

How do you know a false prophet?

A tree is known by the fruit it bears.

That's right.

You will not get good fruit from a bad tree or bad fruit from a good tree.

Each tree and its fruit will be after its own kind.

So when you look at the black community and the condition that it's in, if it's bad fruit, the tree had to be bad.

That's right.

And if it's bad fruit, it's a false prophet.

It's binary.

And when you look at where we were between 1940 and 1960, the black community had cut its poverty rate from 80% to about 35% in 20 years, the greatest reduction of poverty in the history of the world.

And then after the Civil Rights Movement, we flatlined.

Why?

We turned from God to government.

And Martin Luther King Jr., the Civil Rights Movement, led us on that.

And we know how King was all tied up with the communists.

Man, Stanley Levinson was the number one communist in America.

Bayette Rustin had been a communist in his youth.

The guy that ran the SELC, his name was Jack O'Dale, Hunter Pitts O'Dale.

He was a communist.

King's lawyer, Clarence Jones, was a communist.

Clarence Jones and Stanley Levinson say, they wrote the I Have a Dream speech.

They were both communists.

And when you look at the I Have a Dream speech, it's amazing when you dissect it and deconstruct it.

Because when King says five times in that speech, you know,

the first thing he said was, 100 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, the Negro is still not free.

That is a lie.

I was born free.

My freedom is is a gift from God.

It's an unalienable right.

According to John Locke and his second treatise of government, it is irrevocable, non-transferable, and unsellable.

Now, King says five times in that speech that we were not free.

Then at the end, he has that great refrain that on some certain day we'll be free at last, free at last.

Thank God Almighty we're free at last.

Still telling us we're not free.

And we make our children recite that speech every year on his birthday, saying that they're not free, that they come to government

for their unalienable right to freedom.

You don't ask government for your freedom.

You defy government to come and try to take it from you.

What did our founding father say when King George said, I'm your sovereign?

No, you're not.

I'm going to show you.

And he said, I'm not just going to come in and kill you guys.

I'm going to bring you back to Great Britain.

I'm going to choke you till you're almost dead.

Then I'm going to castrate you.

Then I'm going to cut you open, let you see your guts before you die.

And then after you're dead, I'm going to cut off your limbs and send it to the most parts of the British Empire.

And guess what the founding fathers said?

Did the declaration and said, we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

Put their names on it, sent it to him, and said, bring it.

And whooped his ass.

Free men.

And then they walked around with their chest stuck out.

Yeah, we did it.

And king is wandering around.

King would have asked King George.

He said, well, boss, can we be free?

No.

well, okay then.

We'll just march until you decide to give it to us.

Father, the father said, you don't give us our freedom.

We earn it.

It's ours.

Come and try to take it.

And this is the mindset that they placed into America, black America first, but now America.

And look at the results of it.

We're at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in America.

And there's a revolution now happening here in America.

They're turning against the Democratic Party.

They're turning away from it because they're seeing that it's not working.

Joe Biden walking around.

The matter crowd,

we're going to put you in the back of the buses.

The matter crowd, I'm going to put you back in the cotton field.

And black folks look at him like,

what?

You see him at Morehouse College?

Yeah,

funniest things I ever saw in my life.

These are young black men, 21, 22 years old, right?

He up there talking, they're going to put you in the back of the buses.

They're going to put you in your hamburgers in the back of the restaurant.

And they're looking at him like.

These young boys ain't concerned about no mess like that.

They're in Morehouse.

It's a black college.

They've already segregated themselves.

They don't want to be around white people.

They're at Morehouse.

If they want to be around white folks, they went to Harvard and Yale or something.

You're at Morehouse,

a black all-male college.

And you're going to talk to those brothers.

Nobody is putting them brothers at the back of the bus unless they want to go at the back of the bus.

It's interesting that you just said they segregated themselves.

Yes.

They love black culture.

It's not that they hate white people.

And that's what people try to say.

If you love yourself, you hate somebody else.

No, it's not true.

I mean, good God, if a Jewish person goes to a Jewish school, it don't mean he hates Gentiles.

We have to understand that loving yourself is a virtue.

Jesus said, love your neighbor as you love yourself.

So the way you treat your neighbor is predicated on how you love yourself.

So if I

don't love myself and I want to inject drugs in my arm, I'll expect you to want to do the same.

And I'll allow you to do that because I love you as I love myself.

If I call myself the N-word, and of course I'm going to call you that because I'm loving you like I love myself.

But he says, first, love God with all your heart, your soul, and your mind.

Then love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Those are the two commandments.

We leave the first one out.

See, if you get the first one first,

you get the second one first.

We just tell people, love your neighbor as yourself.

And so many people hate themselves.

They also hate their neighbor.

And that's where the conflict comes in the black community.

Martin Luther King Jr.

never talked about loving yourself.

He was always talking about trying to make some racist love you.

And you can't change how people view you.

Our Bible tells us consistently, do not be concerned about man and how he feels about you.

He will hate you.

He's going to hate you.

Don't be concerned about that.

You love him.

That doesn't give him license to put his hands on you.

Christianity is not a religion of non-violence.

It's a religion of non-aggression.

That means if you don't hurt, don't touch me, I won't touch you.

If you don't hurt my family, I won't touch you.

But if you come and you try to do harm to me or mine,

I'm going to whoop you behind in the name of Jesus.

Get you off of me.

I have to take care of my family.

You know that if you let it be known that anybody can come up in your house and eat your food and rape your wife and your daughters, they're going to do it.

There's no virtue in that.

None.

And that's what King preached: allow these evil people to come into your home,

beat your wife, rape your children, blow up your house.

And that's why so many black men turned away from Christianity during that time.

They said, I'm not going to do that.

If that's Christianity, I'm not going to do it.

But they were teaching a false Christianity, a plantation Christianity from the slave master.

Jesus Christ went into the temple when he found those guys money changing.

What did he do?

Made a whip, ran them out.

Nobody touched him him until he said, my time has come.

He was not a pinato.

He didn't allow it.

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So, I think your assessment of King King is right.

I mean, of course.

The one

thing about his life, though, that does make me pause is the speech that he gave the night before he was shot in April of 68.

And he was a garbage strike, I think.

Yes.

And in Memphis, and he was late because he was in bed with a couple of different women.

And Ralph Abernathy finally bugged him until he showed up at the church.

No notes.

And gives this speech, which is not as well publicized as you think it would be, in which he basically predicts his death.

And I've listened to it.

And again, I'm not a fan of Martin Luther King, but that's the most unbelievable speech I've ever heard in my life.

It is, but King did that all the time.

But I guess my point is,

it's hard to see that and not think like God is speaking through him.

How can you predict your own death the night before?

I mean, that's unbelievable.

I mean, I think if you do it almost every day, sooner or later when you die.

Oh, is that true?

Yeah, he always predicted it.

He always said that this was going to happen to him.

I don't know if he believed it it or not.

I do know this,

that he had such a libertine lifestyle.

Yes.

He was more like Rasputin than he was Jesus Christ.

He became an indispensable person in government for a very long time because they put so much behind him.

I read this great book.

I can't think of the name of it now.

They talked about the civil rights movement was more about the Cold War than it was about anything else.

Because the Russians were using the propaganda of how America treated black people yes to have african nations and asian nations come to communism yes that's true you're our comrades you're our brothers that's right they had w du bois come to china yes gave him all kinds of awards and everything stalin had these guys malcolm x would go over there and talk so they were using it as a propaganda piece and they said we have to take care of this so king was their front man in this effort they didn't know king was compromised by the communists until right before the march on washington And that's when Bobby Kennedy told him, first Deke DeLoach told him, get these communists out.

Number two guy at the FBI.

Yeah, he wouldn't do it.

Then Bobby Kennedy told him, man, you got to get these guys out.

He wouldn't do it.

And then right before the march on Washington, the big sevens, big six, whatever, came to the White House.

And Bobby kind of gave John Kennedy a nod.

And John Kennedy told King, come out to the Roseguard.

I want to talk to you.

He didn't even want it to be bugged in the overall office.

He was going to share top secret information with it.

And he said, I know you know you're under surveillance.

That's lawyer talk for saying you're under surveillance.

Yeah.

You have three, four guys in your organization that are communists.

They got to go.

And he called their names.

He said, Barrett Rustin, Jack O'Dale, Stanley Levinson.

He said, these guys are communists and they have to go.

And the king tried to deny it.

He said, look, do you think I pulled these guys' names out of a hat?

I'm the president of the United States of America and I know their name.

And he brought up this guy in Great Britain that they caught in some type of sex scandal.

I forget his name, but he said, you know about this.

He said, yes.

He said, well, he lost his government behind that.

He said, I can do the same thing.

If you go down, I go down.

You got to get rid of these guys because I'm affiliated with you.

They had invested a lot in him.

So King said he would do it.

Well, Jager Hoover, of course, didn't believe it.

And he heard about this group of communists that were going to be meeting down in Dorchester, Georgia.

And he set up some cameras to see who was going to show up.

And lo and behold,

Martin Luther King Jr.

showed up in this mess of spies.

after this long conversation with the president.

And he bought these pictures back to Bobby Kennedy and and said, I thought he said he's going to get rid of these guys.

He's going to cut them loose.

And that's when Bobby Kennedy signed to put the wiretaps on him.

He said, because,

and it was more to protect him because they thought he was going to be able to be blackmailed and that he was going to be infiltrated and da-da-da-da-da.

And so they watched him.

And as you notice, none of this stuff really got out until, and it's funny how it got out.

The night of the Joe Frazier Muhammad Ali fight in 1971,

everybody's watching this fight, right?

So this group

of weirdo communists decided that they were going to

burglarize the FBI office in media, Pennsylvania.

They burglarized the FBI office, and guess what they found?

The Core and Temporal papers.

Yes.

Bought them out and gave them to the Washington Post to the New York Times.

And that's where all the stuff about King came out.

It wasn't J.

Edgar Hoover, it wasn't the FBI, it wasn't the conservative.

It was the liberals that put it out there.

And when people started reading it, they said, oh, my God.

Hoover had kept King's stuff secret.

All of it.

Nobody knew it.

The sex stuff.

Yeah, the sex stuff.

And then when it got out,

the people,

King's people, wanted to have it all destroyed.

And that's when the judge said, no, we're going to take it and we're going to seal it for 50 years.

And nobody can see it.

But yeah,

these liberal morons were the ones that broke into the FBI office and stole it and gave it to the press.

And that's where, and that's how we knew about King's affairs and his 45 girlfriends and his, and his prostitutes and the orgies, which the thing that bothers me more about all of it, Tucker, is the prostitutes.

The orgies are bad.

We ain't got to talk about that.

But when you buy flesh,

And you say you're a man of God.

I mean, that's very visceral with me.

Yeah.

That's visceral, you know?

Just so much terrible stuff.

But the fact that, you know, they say he plagiarized his PhD, which means that he was a fake doctor.

And then,

you know, they say that he wasn't a Christian, which means he was a fake Christian.

And he walks around with these communists.

And it had gotten so bad that Deke DeLoach finally

told

Jagger Hoover, he said,

you can't talk to him.

And that's when Jagger Hoover then decided to make him an enemy of the state.

And this is when it gets interesting with his assassination.

When I read this in

Taylor Branch's book, Parting the Waters American King Years, and Taylor Branch is a Democrat.

He's Bill Clinton's roommate at Yale.

So it's not a conservatives saying this.

It's a Democrat Bill Clinton friend that's saying this about King.

He said that

the FBI designated King an enemy of the state.

And it's only about five or six people have ever been had such designation in the United States of America history.

And they said that with this designation, even if they heard that somebody was coming to assassinate him, they wouldn't warn him.

And that was a courtesy they would give to mafia duns.

They would not give it to King.

So they said he's an enemy of the United States of America.

This is interesting that he was so affiliated with these people.

They found out that money from Moscow was bankrolling the civil rights movement.

He was getting money from Moscow put in his pocket.

All of this.

That he wasn't, he was, he was deemed the enemy of the United States of America by the federal government.

And so I'm reading this.

And, you know, I'm reading this stuff about, you know, right now, FBI and the government hated Martin Luther King Jr., hated the civil rights movement, da, da, da, da, da.

But I read this story about this group called the Revolutionary Action Movement, RAM.

Backwell Stanford was running it.

Tupac,

Shakur's people were involved in all of this.

And these guys were rough.

They had decided that they were going to assassinate Whitney Young for the Urban League and Roy Wilkins from the NAACP.

They were going to take out the black leadership because they thought they were Uncle Tom's.

And

Hoover had infiltrated Ram and knew what they were doing.

If Jay Egg or Hoover had hated the civil rights movement, he would have allowed Ram to go ahead and do what they were going to do and then would have arrested them and said, look at this, black people killing black people.

Ain't this a shame?

Instead, what does he do?

He warns the people in the civil rights movement, protects them, then he arrests the guys at Ram and destroys the whole organization.

They go into exile, some go to Cuba, they all run off, others he put in jail.

Does that sound like a man that hates the civil rights movement?

No.

No.

Juan Williams

did a book on Thurgood Marshall.

As you know, Thurgood Marshall was a federal judge.

Of course.

For a long time, then became Supreme Court Justice, Solicitor General.

Thurgood Marshall said, Jared Hoover never lied to him.

He had to sign the warrants as a federal judge.

He said, Hoover didn't have to lie.

He said, Hoover always had the goods.

Never lied to him.

So why this assassination

on the character of Jared Hoover?

Because he took out communists.

He took out Marxists.

He took out these

malcontents that hate America.

You know, the same group in 1968 to try to take over the Democratic Party in Chicago, right?

Right.

And Mayor Daly and the hard hats ran them out.

And they were out there screaming, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching.

What did Soloninski tell them?

You got three choices.

Either find a whaling wall and cry,

start making bombs and exploding everything, then they're going to turn to GOP, or go organize.

And in four months, come back, four years come back, and you be the delegates.

They came back to Miami in 1972.

They were so well versed

in the rules of the Democratic Party that when Daly showed up with his Illinois Chicago tangent, they ran him out.

And Jesse Jackson and this guy by the name of Singer took their place.

They took over the Democratic Party in 1972 and they bought in LGBTQ and abortion and that stuff for the first time.

And that's when Richard Nixon slaughtered them, remember?

Nixon didn't need Watergate.

The Democrats imploded in 1972.

And they did it from the civil rights movement.

All of those people from the civil rights movement.

That was their plan to come in and take the Democratic Party.

They tried it in 68, daily beat them down.

They then used the rules.

72, they got it.

They haven't let it go since.

And they finally, finally got what they wanted in 2008 with Barack Obama.

Who is Obama?

I think Obama was a part of a worldwide liberal movement

from Western Europe to here.

All of them, all of this cabal of weirdos over there in Europe, they were pushing things at that time from Merkel to

the guy over France.

Obama was involved in all of it.

And all this LGBTQ stuff and all this climate change crap started happening then.

And it's all designed for a one-world government

to try to get, I don't know, the World Health Organization or the UN or somebody to start getting some type of criminal court.

They can start arresting us for not doing what they want us to do.

So I thought, I mean, it's funny the

distance between what you thought something was and then what you later learn out it actually was.

And on the lgbtq plus

um or whatever calling it now i mean i was raised in a pretty liberal area where we were told that was about you know a certain percent of the population i think it was 10 they said was gay by birth and you know leave them alone don't bother them like don't be mean to them exactly and

that always made sense to me i don't have zero interest exactly people in general particularly over their sex lives um but now i'm starting to think in my age that it wasn't that actually wasn't wasn't kind of what it was about.

No, no, no.

They understand what they're doing.

You know what communism is.

Number one, it's atheism.

Why?

I agree.

Because they do not compete for power.

Number one, it's atheism.

I agree with you.

Number one, they don't compete for power.

In America, we say there's a higher law than the Constitution.

It's God.

There are certain rights that we have that you cannot touch, government.

That's our whole concept of government.

Unalienable rights.

We have a bill of rights that say you can't touch these government.

The communists say no, no such ideology exists.

The government controls all.

So God has to be destroyed.

We know that much of LGBTQ is in direct conflict with our Bible.

Direct conflict.

Absolutely.

So

It's like the Daniel test.

They had Daniel, you know, you know the story.

Daniel

was the king's favorite, and

the guys in Babylon started getting jealous of Daniel, and they said, we're going to set him up.

So they said, hey, king, why don't you

make a decree that says that no one can pray to you for 30 days?

King said, yeah, it makes good sense.

But they knew that Daniel prayed four or five times a day to his God.

And so they say, so if the king makes this decree,

If Daniel obeys the decree, his God leaves him.

If he disobeys the king, the king will kill him.

Either way, Daniel's in the trick bag.

So, of course, the king makes the decree.

They're spying on Daniel.

Sees him praying to his God.

You know the rest of the story.

They put him into the lion's den.

God saves him.

King kills those guys.

It's the same thing in America now.

We're going to pass laws to you Christians.

You're going to bow to us.

If you do what your God says, we're going to punish you.

But if you do what we say, your God is going to leave you.

Either way, we're in the trick bag.

Either way, they have us.

This is not what we were promised.

We were promised a society where everyone kind of does his own thing and everyone gets along.

Exactly.

Treat other people with respect.

Exactly.

Some measure of dignity.

You don't have to agree with them.

They don't have to follow your religion, but you also don't have to follow their religion.

You don't.

But now I feel like we're being told we have to follow their religion.

There it is.

It's always about who has the gun.

See, the civil rights movement should have been, if Martin Luther King Jr.

had been a real preacher, he would have known that you don't change people's opinions with a gun.

You change their hearts.

You're a Godfather aficionado, right?

Yeah.

Okay, you know, when first Godfather comes on, that's Michael Clay on sitting down talking with his girlfriend, Kay, and she sees Luca Brazzi talking to himself.

And she says, Michael, who's that scary man?

And Michael said, that's a very scary man.

That's Luca Brazzi.

Tell you a story about Luca.

He says,

my father has a godson by the name of Johnny Fontaine.

Johnny Fontaine is famous now.

He said that Johnny was on a contract with his band leader.

And Johnny wanted to do this movie.

The band leader wouldn't let him out.

He asked my father if he could handle it.

My father said yes.

Father goes to the band leader, offers him $10,000 to let Johnny go.

Band leader says no.

My father says, I'll be back.

And this time, he brings back Luca Rossi.

And he gets Johnny out of the contract with

a certified check of $1,000.

Kay says, Michael, how did he do that?

He said, well, Luca Rossi put a gun to the band leader's head and promised him that either his brains or his signature would be on the contract michael that's a true story okay question was vital corleone a violent man for using luca brasi of course he was martin luther king jr wants to eat a hamburger down south racist white man says no

martin says i'll be back this time he brings the federal government Federal government put a gun to the guy's head and says, either Martin Luther King or your brains are going to be on that lunch counter eating that hamburger.

God lets him eat.

Was Martin Luther King Jr.

a violent man?

Of course he was.

He used violence from a third party.

Yes.

Civil rights movement wasn't a nonviolent movement.

A nonviolent movement would have been changing your neighbor's heart by your actions.

What does that mean?

If he's mean to me, I'm good to him.

If you won't let me eat a hamburger at your stand, I'll build another restaurant that's better than yours you eat at mine for free.

If you won't let me go to your school, I'll build a better school than yours and you can send your child to mine for free.

You treat me bad, I treat you right, but you're going to treat me like a man.

You're going to treat me with respect.

I demand that.

And this is how you get your respect.

Instead, what did they do?

They use the gun.

In the book of Corinthians, it says 11 people will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

The last one is the extortionist.

What's the extortionist?

And extortionist is the one that use violence, threats, coercion to get what they want.

And that's what the civil rights movement did.

It didn't change the hearts of Americans.

It extorted them.

It told them, either give us what we want or we're going to blow your brains out, we're going to put you in jail.

That is not the Christian way.

And it failed because they used the tool of the devil to get what they wanted.

And it continues to fail.

We all were at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in America because we will not do what we've always supposed to have done and that was live in this meritocracy.

How did we break into the NFL?

We showed we were better.

How did we break into the NBA?

Showed we were better.

We went out there and we competed, mono and mono.

I'm going to beat you straight up.

If you make a glass that's better than this one that will last for a thousand years, people are not going to care what your color is.

They're going to buy it.

What's the tool of the devil that he used?

Extortion.

Yep.

Extortion, coercion.

You're going to give me what I'm going to pass a law that says if you don't give me what I want, the federal government is going to put you in jail or kill you.

Now, give me what I want.

That is not the Christian way.

We're not even supposed to sue each other.

That's right.

On the way to court.

That's right.

We're supposed to sit down and say, settle your difference.

Yeah, we're supposed to reason with one another.

Well, that's why I'm going to take you to court.

No, I'll let it go before I take you to court.

I feel the same way.

I'll let it go.

I'll measure you before we do it.

And once I trust you, if you break that trust, that's my tax.

I trusted them.

Shouldn't have.

That's on me.

Fool me once.

What?

Shame on you.

Fool me fights.

Shame on me.

You take it.

No.

They didn't want to do the hard work.

And that's why I tell the LGBTQ community also.

Do the hard work.

Don't go to the law.

Change the minds of your neighbor.

All of these things that they are saying about you that you say are not true, prove that it's not true.

Don't go and have somebody put a gun to your neighbor's head.

That's a Tim Cook.

It's openly gay.

I buy his product.

Why?

Because it's the best product out there.

iPhone, I buy it.

Prove your loyalty.

Prove that if you want to be this man's friend, be his friend.

Show yourself friendly.

But you can't go out there using the law to get it done.

We have made this mistake over and over again.

Right now, they're marching down in Florida.

They want DeSantis to put some type of black history back into public education when DeSantis has passed a school choice bill.

If you don't like how the public educational system is educating your children, take it to a private school.

No, no, no.

We're going to make you do it.

Coercion.

This is all they know.

And they put the black preacher up ahead of it all the time.

And if any black person, like when Byron Donald just said that the black family was more intact

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Brian Donald said black people

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He didn't say that.

He said, despite of Jim Crow, Jim Crow couldn't destroy us.

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They have.

Slavery didn't kill us.

Jim Crow didn't kill us.

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They are destroying the black community right now.

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So you grew up, you're a couple years older than I am.

You grew up in far western Tennessee,

near Mississippi and Arkansas, I think

in one of the two majority black counties in Tennessee.

Yes.

And you entered school right around the time DSEG was started to roll.

So you've actually lived this and seen it.

Yes.

Tell us about the change that you've seen.

I've seen black people lose their virtue.

Even though they were poor, they were a virtuous society.

Nobody went to jail.

Nobody.

In your world that you lived in.

Yeah, nobody.

The family stayed intact.

People stayed married.

Nobody getting divorced.

It didn't happen.

If a child was born and the parents weren't married, the grandparents took care of that child.

It wasn't a single parent

environment.

He was staying with his grandparents.

He had a mother and a father.

He was taken care of, or she was taken care of.

The people had a sort of majesty about them.

They went to church.

They were honest.

Never saw a police officer hardly or sheriff's department.

People just got along.

And

now it's changed.

The hip-hop culture got involved in it.

At the beginning of the hip-hop culture, you know,

they tried to warn people about it.

I remember when

I think it was Tipper Gore and some other lady tried to warn people about it.

In the 80s.

the 80s.

The NAACP,

C.

Lawrence Tucker got involved, warning people about it.

And then all of a sudden, from what Suge Knight says, Suge Knight said, they started paying them and they all shut up.

They started giving them money.

And now the NAACP gives awards to them.

Now, all of the urban leagues, they give these guys awards.

And the hip-hop culture is a culture of sex, violence, and materialism.

No virtue whatsoever.

How many jewellers shot?

How many women you slept with?

How much money you got?

You know, violence,

sexual gratification.

Virtualist.

And Thomas Wolfe said, the great writer Thomas Wolfe said that culture is the arts elevated to a set of beliefs.

So you have the arts, you have the culture, and you have your politics.

In your arts,

you have religion, you have music, you have books, you have television, radio.

Those are the arts.

And we allowed a satanic movement to take over the arts of the black community, and now it spread into the white community.

And that was the hip-hop culture.

And you and I were listening to the temptations and

listening to

all this great music growing up, right?

Stacks.

These people listen, I want to kill her in word.

I want an F-A-N-N-Word.

I mean,

this little rapper in Memphis by the name of Glorella, not Gorella, Glow Rilla,

just was invited to the White House.

Her hit record at the time was IF N-Words for free.

Gets a White House invitation.

Barack Obama had all of them at the White House at one time.

He had a little hip-hop festival in the Oval Office.

He had Rick Ross and

Dr.

Dre, Snoop, all of them.

All of them talking about killing.

So you see how a young society that wants to understand what right is, right?

In our time, you had astronauts and Nobel laureates brought to the White House, right?

And you say, that's what I want to aspire to be.

Those people you brought to the White House were the people that you aspired to be, the heavyweight champion of the world, right?

The Super Bowl champs, right?

Those were the people you aspired to be.

And now they bring these people and say, you should aspire to be that.

And then they're alarmed when they are that.

Well, you had Snoop at the White House.

Snoop talked about smoking blunts every day.

And

he's on TV selling more merchandise than Morgan Freeman is right now.

What is Snoop selling cars and selling beer and selling sneakers?

And he's a dope fiend.

Talked about killing folks, talk about robbing people, but they made him a hero.

And people look at this and they say, well, why are these things happening?

That's why these things are happening because you hold these people up as heroes in our society.

violent, evil, sadistic individuals.

And when your children act like them, you're you're alarmed.

Women walk around half-naked, talking about having sex with people.

Then, when they do and they're shaking like you're just, oh, what's going on?

And you just kind of look at them and say, yeah.

So you're wondering why middle-class white Americans treat you this way.

I'm afraid of snakes because every time I looked on TV, a snake was killing somebody.

So I don't like them.

If you want to see me run out of here, come to another snake come through that door right now.

Okay, I'm leaving.

All right.

You have a hip-hop culture that put all on television, black men shooting people, black men raping people, black men doing dope, black men kicking indoors and spraying the whole freaking room machine gun.

And then when they see the black man that looks like that come near them and they kind of get apprehensive, well, you a racist?

No, I'm sane.

You look like the person on TV that does these things.

If I saw a white man walk to me with a swastika in the middle of his head, I don't look at him and think he's going to be a friend of mine.

And he walks in, hey man, why are you tripping?

Man, you got a swastika in the middle of your head.

Well, I'm tripping.

So you want to ask the question of these young people.

We all wear uniforms, don't we?

If you see a house on fire and there's a fireman over there with a fireman, you say, hey, man, go.

He's like, oh, no, I'm just wearing this.

You get mad at him.

Police officer do get mugged.

Hey, man, you don't.

Oh, no, I'm just wearing this uniform.

I'm not really a police officer.

Well, you see a young man looking like a thug

and you treat him like a thug.

He said, well, actually, I graduated from Harvard.

Well, man, why do you want to look like a thug?

Well, I can dress the way I want to.

Yes, you can, and you're dressing like a thug.

And I'm treating you like one.

Why would an intelligent man want to be looked upon as a thug?

Why would an intelligent woman want to be looked upon as a whore?

Why are you dressing like one?

And these children look confused.

You know why?

Because no one is telling them what right is any longer.

In the military, it's was this thing that every, you knew what right was.

Shoes shine, creases and down, down, down, down, down, down the seams, standing straight.

It was written down, this is what right is.

When I grew up, when you grew up, your father, make your bed up in the morning time, always tell the truth.

You will have children going up now where the parents are teaching them to steal, teaching them to lie, teaching them how to get over.

I learned that when I worked in prison for five years, these guys were

antisocial.

They had been taught a completely different values than I have.

And it was almost like what Mao was talking about when he talked about re-education camps, right?

You say, man, it's got to be a cultural reformation, but that's what they've done to America now.

People will actually sit down and argue with you about whether or not gay sex is right between two men.

And you, and I grew up and said, no fornication is right outside of marriage.

And if you screw up, what do you do?

You actually, you repent and God will forgive you.

But to to sit here and try to tell me that the Christian faith allows for fornication outside of marriage or gay sex, you're a liar.

And why would you tell a child that?

Why would you take away the ability for him to repent?

See, that's what pride is, isn't it?

What did C.S.

Lewis say the most damnable sin was?

Pride.

There's a few things in the Bible that God hates, and one of them is pride.

God hates pride.

It's one of the seven deadly sins.

Yes.

What do they call their movement?

Pride.

Pride.

I'm going to make you do what I want you to do.

It's all about me.

My truth.

I want to be seen.

Well, you and I as men said,

well, the Bible tells us, don't worry about how a man views you.

But they say, I demand to be seen.

I demand that you treat me the way that I want to be treated.

Pride.

Pride.

And what does pride say if you come up and tell them you're doing something wrong?

I'm not.

And therefore, I'm not going to ask for repentance.

I'm not going to ask for reconciliation.

I'm not wrong.

Honey, even if you are wrong, he'll forgive you.

There's no injury in asking for forgiveness.

I'm not going to do it.

Bah, that's terrible.

Because that's what our whole religion is built upon.

Us being

very flawed.

Jesus knowing that we're flawed,

but recognizing the flaw and reconciling.

It's just that simple.

And pride tells them, don't you dare.

Don't you dare say that you're wrong.

Don't you dare say you need any type of reconciliation or repentance or forgiveness.

Don't you dare.

And these children are buying into it.

And it's just wrong, you know.

What's the effect of a boy growing up in a female-led household and then multiply that by millions and you have you know over 70% of boys growing up in the black community but now also in in among whites

in a female-led household like that's a huge change

and what does it produce

the discipline and the protection of the father is necessary sometimes women will just want the father to be a breadwinner No,

that's third or fourth down the line.

He's to love his family before he even provides for them.

He's protect them before he goes.

He loves them and protects them first.

Provides discipline, spiritual counseling,

providing sustenances down the line.

Because without those first four, whatever he provides, it's no good.

So they've taken away his protection.

In many ways, Some women do it well, but a very few.

Women have a difficulty being as stern with their sons as men do because it's just something about two males being in a house together, especially when they start growing up.

And the father knowing what's out there waiting for his son, that other men will kill him, that other men will take full advantage of him in a way that a woman does not understand.

That's true.

A father knows this.

There are things that happen to you and I talk.

We have never, ever talked to our wives about.

That's for sure.

You know, our daughters about.

But you'll pull your son over and say, listen, you need to watch this.

They can give you nuances.

They can tell you how to walk.

They can tell you how to talk.

Put some bass in your voice.

Put a grip behind that handshake.

Look him in the eye.

Fathers teach their sons that.

I'm going to take you to get your first job.

You show up.

You show up early.

You leave late.

You don't steal.

You don't lie.

Do you understand me?

If you, you don't have to deal with me.

He teaches them in the morning time.

Make your bed.

do your chores.

If not, it's going to be hell to pay.

It's rote.

It's binary all the time.

As he gets older, the gray areas can come come in and he protects him.

So a lot of black women now like to have a lot of gay men around their children.

Father wouldn't have had it.

And then what happens, a lot of these young men are being molested at an early age and their first sexual experience becomes their lifestyle.

And now there is a category of HIV from 12 to 17 years old.

Who's giving these children AIDS?

Who's giving them HIV?

So this whole protection thing, this instinct that men have when it comes down to their boys,

my father would tell my mother, look, you stay out of this.

There's things going to have to happen between me and Vince that you don't need to see.

Because he knew my mother couldn't handle.

He'd tell you, I don't care how hot it is, that y'all need to be mowed today and I'll be back at five o'clock.

It needs to be done.

If it wasn't done, it was going to be hell to pay.

And it wasn't emotional.

It was rote.

We had an agreement.

You didn't do it.

This is where the discipline in my family, me and my brothers, come from.

It came from dad.

And now dad is the most affable old gentleman you can meet, but he understood that at that time he was raising boys to be men

and that he had to teach us in our faith.

On Sunday, you went to church.

You did your chores.

You respected your parents.

You respected adults.

You respected authority.

And he would always tell us,

the name you got is my name.

It's not yours.

It's mine.

And it reflects on me.

So don't go out there and mess up my name.

And he was serious about that.

And we took it to heart.

See,

when you don't have a man in the house to tell a son that and look him in his eye and let him understand, you know, because sometimes a boy can be 15, 16 years old.

He's as big as I am.

How is a 120, 30-pound mother going to handle him?

They can't.

How did the boys in your family do?

Everybody did well.

Really?

Everybody, everybody.

I had a brother that died young.

He died at 39 years old.

Everyone else has done fantastically well.

You know,

our family story is an American story because we believe in this country.

We don't walk around talking about racism and white folks and the government.

Whenever there's a problem, we look at ourselves and say, what did we do wrong?

It's empowering to be able to say,

I can look in the mirror.

and I can change my circumstances.

That's right.

I screwed up.

I can make it better.

And I will.

Blame yourself first.

I agree with that.

Always.

And we hold each other up to that standard.

That is not what the black community is being taught now about black preacher, black politician, black civil rights worker.

Everything is the government.

Everything's a white man.

Everything is white supremacy.

As I've said before, you're talking about equality.

Well, who do you want me to be equal to?

Whom?

Point him out to me.

Show me the white man that you want Vince Ellison to stand up and say, I want to be equal to you.

It's ridiculous.

You're talking about white supremacy, white supremacy, white supremacy.

You know,

white privilege.

That's the way it is a privilege to be white, but it's also a privilege to be black.

It's a privilege to be an American.

It's a privilege to be a Christian in America.

It's a privilege to be alive today.

You know, talking about white supremacy.

Well, look,

I'm an heir of Jesus Christ and I'm a child of God.

There's nobody superior to me.

Nobody.

If he is part that superior man out to me, I like to see him.

We'll put it to the test.

Superior to me.

You know what?

We all have gifts.

We're not like a herd of wildebeests that run

in a flock of crows.

No,

God has, well, all honorary for a reason.

We all have free will.

And he has given us all certain sparks to make us want to do certain things.

And when a man finds that spark and finds his gifts, isn't the world a beautiful place?

I mean, your air conditioner goes out, right?

You call an HVAC guy, and he's a great HVAC guy, you love him.

Your transmission goes out in your car, you transmission guy fixes your car.

You have a pain in your chest, you go to a heart doctor, he fixes your heart.

You're hungry, you go get a good meal, right?

You have a good landscape.

We all depend on each other.

And when we find these gifts, the world is a beautiful place.

And we are supposed to help each other find these gifts.

We're supposed to elevate one another because we depend on one another.

That's right.

We all do.

And God has given all of us gifts to live in this society

and make it a whole instead of fighting and arguing and say, I want your gift.

I want what you got.

And if you don't give it to me, I have a right to come and take it from you.

That's wrong.

And that's the type of envy and hatred that they put in this society.

This is why our 10th commandment said, thou shalt not covet

anything of your neighbor.

Not your gift, not your possessions, not your wife, nothing.

I am supposed to admire you.

The flip side of envy is admiration.

I came to this beautiful facility of yours.

I'm causing make me sick.

Think he's bawling.

No.

I came to make this place.

It's beautiful.

It's beautiful.

God, I admire it.

And you have envy.

You need to pay your fair share.

You know,

and then you feed this to children and tell them that if somebody else has something that you want, you have a right to go to government and tell government, I want that.

And then government comes and puts a gun in their hand and says, you're going to give that up.

And we've created a sick society that believes that.

And it all came out of the civil rights movement.

What'd your dad do?

Dad is, dad right now is retired, boy.

But for,

ooh, from the time dad was about maybe 23 years old, he did insurance.

And then from that time, and then around about, daddy was about maybe 35, he started a gospel music program in Brownsville and did that till

three or four years ago.

Dad is one of the most well-respected people in that area.

He,

because of his influence on radio, he's charities, raised money for people, programs.

And

he started out

basically orphaned by his parents,

raised as a son of sharecroppers.

And then he started doing that.

And he aspired.

And he got a job in the insurance industry.

He bought us out of poverty.

And he had a heart attack when he was 55 years old that killed, this is not hyperbole, Tucker.

killed everybody in the world that ever had it.

He was, he is, he's a medical anomaly.

People from all over the world came to study him to see how he was still alive, much less the fact that he was walking around every day and working without needing oxygen.

It's still unexplainable to doctors how he's done it.

How old is he?

Dad is 80.

He'll be 82 on his birthday, June 12th.

Now,

when the doctor, we were at Vanderbilt Hospital, and

The doctor He didn't want my sisters and my mother to hear that.

So he called me and my brother in.

And he said, I want y'all to hear what the doctor is telling me here so y'all know what's really going on.

And the doctor said, if your father didn't have a heart transplant, he'll be dead in six months.

And we were like, we were shocked because we didn't know it was this bad.

And dad said, now I want y'all to also hear what I'm going to tell this doctor.

He said,

I know you're the best heart surgeon in the state.

I appreciate what you told me.

But I'm going to tell you this.

I'm not going anywhere.

God's going to heal me.

And the doctor said, Mr.

Ellison, I appreciate your faith.

You're going to be dead in six months if you don't get a heart.

That was,

oh, 27 years ago.

I asked dad, I said, how did you know that you were going to be healed?

You're going to be taken care of.

His two grandparents were elderly.

Well, his two parents that really were very elderly.

And he took care of them till the day they died, took care of them.

He said, my Bible says if you honor your father and your mother, that God promises you three score and 10 years.

That's 70 years.

He said, I was only 55 years old.

God said, he'll old me, 15 years.

So he told me.

And he's still thriving.

That's how much he believed in his faith.

And I learned all of that from him.

This absoluteness that it is a journey.

And he says, I've seen the ending of the book.

I've already came from the front and I've gotten to the back of it and I read the last page.

And guess what?

I win.

So, at one point,

you were telling me at breakfast that

your family was a touring gospel group.

Yeah, yeah, man.

It was fun.

It wasn't fun for us.

I ain't going to lie.

Dad always loved music.

He just always loved it.

And he used to sing in quartets when he was younger.

And the guys wouldn't do right, you know, bringing women,

wouldn't show up.

drinking.

So he decided that he still loved to sing, but he wanted to do it in a more controlled situation.

So he taught us.

One day he came in with a truckload of instruments and told us we were going to learn to play them.

Vince, here's the bass.

Bubble, here's the drums, and I'm going to teach y'all to play.

And we said, okay.

And he taught us sweet part harmony.

Taught us some songs.

And we started going throughout the south and we got better and better.

You played bass?

I played bass and I played lead guitar and I ended up playing keyboards by the end of it.

Every time he bought, every time somebody else got old enough to join the group, group, I had to teach them my instrument and then go learn another one.

And so

I taught my brother the bass and then I went to the lead guitar.

And then

I had another brother come in and then I went to the keyboards.

And we did that until I was about 24 years old.

We have three albums out.

We had a had a slew of 45s.

I always am very, very happy when I go back to West Tennessee and people tell me that they still have our albums in their homes and the pictures of us in their homes.

And look, Tucker, we were so, this thing was so ingrained in our DNA.

We hadn't played together really in 25 years, okay?

So dad was having an anniversary and everybody thought it would be fun for us to

play a couple songs.

And I'm like, oh, this is going to be a train wreck.

So we all showed up at the church to practice.

We hadn't played in 25 years.

This is literally the truth.

So we all plugged in the instruments, me and my brothers and sisters, and we said, okay, okay, first, first, we're going to set a rule here.

If this doesn't sound well, anybody can veto this and say we don't do this.

All right.

Everybody said, all right, cool.

Anybody can say we're not doing it and it's done.

Right, cool.

We plugged in and we did a song and we hit it, boom, and everything was like we did yesterday.

Really?

And we all just died laughing.

We just fell out laughing because we thought it'd be some rust.

We thought that it would be, we'd forget.

No.

It was like

we were 18 years old playing it again.

And we were like, oh my God,

this is ingrained in us.

So we got such a big kick out of it once or twice a year.

Now we'll just show up at the house.

Dad called us two weeks ago and said, hey, I'm going to have a jam session.

I live in Virginia.

He lives in.

Brownsville is about maybe 10 hours away.

And when dad doesn't call the actual much, when he calls, we all come.

And we all showed up at at the house.

And we sit around for about five hours playing the guitars and singing and just had a great time.

And that's what we do.

Whenever he calls, we show up, we plug up, we play, and it's just like we never ever left.

Amazing.

And you're playing gospel?

Gospel music, yeah.

Dad didn't allow blues music playing in the house.

Why?

Even though you're in the Delta.

Yeah, yeah.

It was new then.

It was when the transition was being made from all music during that time

with gospel music before Stackson and Motown.

It was all church.

And then Stackson Motown started taking the music and turning it into R and B and blues.

And people during that time were saying that if you left gospel and went to R and B and blues,

you went from the church to the devil.

That was it.

You went to the devil.

People offered my father tons of money for us to start singing R and B and Blues.

Tons.

He would never take it.

Really?

Never, never.

So you were touring to church.

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but you just drive to another town, another church, you just roll in.

Yeah, we would, dad would have the, he would have the, um,

he'd have the program set up.

We didn't know where we were going usually.

I'd ask him on the day off.

And we would get up and we go to church on Sunday morning.

We load up our instruments.

Then we go to church.

Then we would leave the church and

we would drive probably an hour, maybe two hours, no more than three, but he would have two programs kind of set up in the same area.

So we would show up at the church.

We would get out of church about 11 o'clock.

We'd show up at the other church about one or two o'clock.

We'd set up, we'd sing.

We'd get out about maybe five o'clock.

We go eat dinner somewhere.

We had to be at the next church at seven.

And then we go sing there.

We get out of there about 10 o'clock.

We get home about maybe one in the morning.

We'd unload the instruments and we go to bed and we get up and we go to school.

And that was it.

And that's what we did.

And we.

That sounds grueling.

It was grueling.

And we would do it sometimes on Saturdays also.

But it kept us out of trouble.

It gave us a type of respect in the community.

The people looked out for us

because

always saw us doing that.

And they respected us as young men doing that.

And they held us in high esteem for doing it.

And many of the blessings that me and my family are enjoying now,

people are saying is attributed to us putting forth those efforts as children, going and seeing gospel music all around Tennessee.

And I believe that.

Do you still listen to gospel?

Oh, man, I love it.

Love it.

Really?

Oh, I love it.

Don't stop listening to it.

So for people who didn't grow up listening to gospel music, but think it's pretty great,

how would you start?

Who would you recommend listening?

If you got Spotify, like

Tasha Cobb Leonard.

She's just awesome.

If you ever listen to Tasha Cobb, she touches your soul.

She's young and she's vibrant.

She does just great music, great music.

Tasha Cobb Lord.

Cobb Leonard.

She's very good.

It's gotten

more secularized now.

Yeah.

You know, you're like Kirk Franklin and all them jumping around and you can't really tell the soul music, I mean, the gospel music from the R ⁇ B music in some ways now.

We have to be, it has to get back to the roots of this is not show business.

This is communion.

This is worship.

It's not, you're not coming there to be entertained.

You're coming there to commune, to be involved, to worship.

to

praise God in song.

And many times people now will look at

a concert, a hip-hop concert, and think that they are there to be fed in that way.

And so you'll find gospel groups now with lights and smoke and explosions and costumes.

And this is entertainment, you know?

God doesn't need all that.

Jesus did the Sermon on the Mount, right?

He didn't even have a mic.

He just walked up there and rocked it.

And we still remember the sermon.

Because it touched people.

It touched people.

And that's what gospel music is supposed to do.

It's supposed to touch the soul.

Spirit touches spirit.

And when you go to a real gospel concert and it's communion and

it's the people coming together to commune and worship, it's a life-changing experience.

Did you ever play for white audiences?

We would do it very, very sporadically.

We would do it in Brownsville.

We had this white gospel group called the Layman, and we would do a concert together with them in the gym

in Hayward County.

And black and white people will come to the concert, and we would sing together, and we would commune together in that way.

But it's very rare that we sung in front of white audiences.

Very rare.

Huh.

Is there a difference?

No, not really.

When you start doing Southern Gospel, you know, that's why Elvis was so hypnotic to people.

Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis and

Johnny Cass, they all tell you, they go to black churches, listen to black music, they play with black people.

If you ever go to Memphis and go to Sun Studios or go to Stacks, you'll be amazed at the emergent of black and white

people in those studios working together all the time.

B.B.

King and Elvis worked very close together, knew each other.

Black and white musicians loved and played together.

They learned Elvis stayed on Bell Street.

They knew him on Bell Street.

So the music bought people together.

It always did.

Elvis were held by a black concert.

gospel singing in Memphis.

And he'd just show up.

And people said, they'd look around.

Elvis is in the church.

Say, now listen to a gospel group saying, He knew them all, but it brought them all together.

The music always brought people together, they always enjoyed it.

And

there's just this lie going on around the nation that made believe that we were all down there fighting and getting hung and lynched in a race riot.

Never saw anything like that growing up.

So, I mean, it's interesting.

So, you were growing up at the end of segregation.

I mean, literally.

What were the race relations like?

They were fine.

I mean, I just didn't see it or feel it, Tucker.

It just wasn't there.

I was never mistreated

by white people when I was growing up.

I asked my father this question the last time I saw him.

I said, Dad,

how do white people treat you growing up here?

He said, I've never been mistreated by white people.

My father actually told me that out of his mouth, I've never been mistreated by white people here, ever.

See, Martin Luther King told us he was dreaming about a day that you will not be judged by the color of your skin or by the content of your character.

You will be judged by the content of your character.

It is inescapable.

Yes.

But he gave black people a fallback position.

People are being judged by the content of their character and they can say, no, it's the color of my skin.

You can't correct skin color.

You can correct character.

So many people that didn't have what they wanted

weren't getting what they wanted.

It wasn't based upon their skin color.

It was based upon their character, but they were being told it was their skin color.

Martin Luther King, for instance, had never been to a public school in his life.

Went to Croza Theological

Seminary.

He went to Boston University.

Never was hungry.

His dad went to Morehouse College.

Have you seen his house in Atlanta?

He lived in a Victorian style, almost like a mansion.

He's not a poor guy.

Nobody bothered him.

He was a, at 26, he was the head pastor of a large church in Montgomery, Alabama.

He's riding a Cadillac,

living in an uppercross black area town.

His wife was a college graduate.

That was a black intelligentsia as a white intelligentsia that had money and lived well.

And then you had poor whites and you had poor blacks.

It's just how the world works.

Somehow or another, though, in the minds of black people in the South, they always said, I can only feel whole if I am loved by white racists.

I got to make this clan member.

That's a tough one.

I got to make this clan member love me.

I got to.

And it was a type of weird ignorance in that, that I can only

feel good about myself if I'm sitting beside you on a bus or on a toilet or eating a hamburger beside you.

Right now, I'd be the only de concern about one thing.

Is the bus taking me to the same spot?

Yeah, well, I don't give a damn who I'm sitting beside on it, okay?

I don't want you sitting beside me.

Well, I don't want to sit beside you.

Now, what about that?

Muhammad Ali says the sick mind that wants to be somewhere where he's not wanted.

They got a name for people out there, call them stalkers.

And there's no virtue in it.

None.

If you don't want me here,

you think I'm going to fight to be beside you?

We don't serve N-words where I'm not one.

But since you call me that, you can't have my money and I don't want to eat here.

Good for you.

Instead, oh, no, no, I'm going to make you you take my money what

insanity

absolute insanity when miss mary got a store down the street that makes better food than they make

no no i don't have a sit in

because i want to ride the bus beside you a lot of people think that the montgomia bus boycott uh um ended the segregation on the buses it didn't it was the na cp they had a supreme court decision that did it martin luther king's bus boycott just aggravated a lot of people didn't do anything and then people don't don't know this.

Two years later, the black people sent it to the back of the bus again because of white intimidation.

Yes, they went back to the back of the bus voluntarily in Montgomery, Alabama.

They don't talk about that little tidbit of history.

They don't tell people that Rosa Parks was an operative, trained at the Highlander Folk School, a communist training camp in Montegal, Tennessee.

King, Ralph Abernathy, all of them went there.

led by these three communists, Dombroski and Miles Norton and all of them.

They keep that part of a history secret.

Yeah, there was a communist training camp in Mondegal, Tennessee.

They tore it down in the 60s because they found it was a communist training camp.

And they're the ones that were training all these people how to use nonviolent resistance to cause violence.

Cause violence.

They went down to Montgomery and Birmingham and said, we're going to jug at Bull Connor until people start getting water hoses and dogs sick on them.

The concept is to cause violence.

to aggravate you until you strike out at me.

It's me coming up in your face going,

and then finally you said Vanced, you better leave me alone now.

I'll never touch you, but I put my finger in your face and I message you apologize just.

And then I said, Tucker's violent.

You know,

and those were their tactics.

And they did, and nothing good came out of it because the black people are poor in Selma and Montgomery and they've ever been.

I've noticed that.

No one seems to care.

They don't care because it was about getting the vote for the Democratic Party so they could take it over.

There were 5 million, 6 million latent black votes down south, black votes down south that they could use.

And they understood that Stockholm Syndrome was going to take over and they were going to vote for the Democratic Party.

As a matter of fact, if you read the history of that time, when the election of 1960 was going on, Martin Luther King Jr.

and the rest of them put this thing called a blue bomb.

It was a blue piece of paper.

that

they passed to all the churches in the South.

And it was talking about how when Martin Luther King Jr.

was locked up in jail, the JFK had given Martin Luther King Jr.

a phone call and had talked to his wife, and Richard Nixon did not.

And that was enough to get 80% of the black people to vote for JFK down south during the election of 1960 and beat Nixon, who had supported the 1957 Civil Rights Act and the 1960 Civil Rights Act.

They gave them the right to vote anyway.

But it was the blue bomb that did it.

And it was them, again,

leveraging the black preacher, who, if you want to talk to an ignorant Joker, talk to most black preachers in the United States of America.

Man, these guys

don't know anything about foreign policy, don't know anything about government, all they know about how to get money in their hands for taking black people to the polls to vote for the Democratic Party.

And again, if you want.

Is that still the case that the get out the vote operation in the South among Democrats is still heavily reliant on black preachers?

Oh, yeah.

You ever heard of Souls to the Polls?

No.

Oh, yeah, man.

You should look it up.

Souls to the Polls is

an organization run by that's funded by George Soros and his people.

And they give

every Sunday before the first Tuesday

in November,

these churches will use church buses to

put their congregants into these buses and take them to the polls and have them vote.

And this is unspoken, but for every black person that they can get in the bus, they get about $10, $15.

And

in my documentary,

Will You Would have Hell From Me, I have a picture of Raphael Warnock and John Lewis standing in front of a Soul Supposed bus.

It got Souls to the Polls written on it.

So, yeah, everybody can look up Souls to the Polls and they'll see that it is something.

Matter of fact,

before the election this year, Kamala Harris was out there talking about Souls to the Polls.

They were out there rallying it.

Yeah,

and it's all about the black church.

But why?

I mean,

the program of the modern Democratic Party is about as aggressively anti-Christian as

well, it is the most aggressively anti-Christian platform of any movement in the history of the country.

Yes.

So how could any preacher participate in that?

Two things.

They either know it and are corrupt or they're ignorant to it, which most of them are.

Yeah.

You'll be amazed how many people, I mean, when you and I did the

show on George Floyd in October, how it went viral.

And that's when Biden's numbers start tanking because we just exposed so many lies in that interview.

I mean, it just went viral.

When I went to World Overcomers in Memphis, people were just talking about the interview.

They were showing it to me.

They had it on their phones.

And

they thanked me for educating them.

On my podcast, I've been to everybody else on the show.

I educate.

I tell people this is what they stand for.

Most people and the Republican Party and the GOP is very bad at messaging.

You think?

Them suckers can't sell a dollar for 50 cents.

They're horrible.

So, if you ask black people, how do you feel about LGBTQ?

I hate it.

How do you feel about abortion?

Can't stand it.

How do I feel about guns?

I want my gun.

How do you feel about school choice?

I want school choice.

How do you feel about that abortion?

All we need, we need legal immigration.

We give you on everything.

And then you say, well, what party do you think supports your point of view?

Democrats do.

Now, why would you think that?

Nobody told them any different.

So, when I show them that the Democratic Party is up for abortion until the ninth month, it startles them.

When I show them that Obamacare and the Democratic Party is for castrating little boys and calling them little girls, giving double mastectomies, little girls, and call them the little boys, it startles them.

When I show them the Democratic Party votes against school choice every single time,

and has used the public education to become, you know, say, God is not welcomed here.

He's not welcomed here.

And that they won't allow us to let Christian education come to the public school.

They are startled.

Now they've caught on to the fact that Biden is letting all the illegals across the border.

They've caught on to that.

When we talk about gun control, they have.

They finally caught on, and that's why his numbers are tanking there, too.

Really?

Yeah, yeah.

They see the Hispanics, the illegals coming to

their communities, and they're upset.

Their rents are going up.

They are opening up.

Their schools are getting crowded out.

What really made them angry was when they started seeing them giving these guys people debit cards for $3,500 on it.

They said, man, hey.

And when they see them, we'll take them to jail.

Whereas, you know,

their son

gets a $50 speeding ticket and can't pay it, they'll take him downtown.

Exactly right.

If you can't pay his child support, they put him in jail for two years and they won't take his spanning down.

Yeah, our family's been here 400 years and we can't get a free speaking.

Yeah, exactly.

When they saw that there are men that cannot get work, but Joe Bowden gives 400,000 work visas out to Venezuelans.

And they say, hell, I need a job.

They saw that in real time, up close and personal.

It was, what do they say, all politics are local?

They saw this locally.

But see,

the GOP has been not very good at explaining.

to people that the voucher program in DC is loved by the majority of the people that are there, black people benefit from it, and Barack Obama and the Democrats kill it every chance they get.

We don't put, we will say the teachers' unions.

Well, the teachers' unions aren't on the ballot, are they?

The Democrats are.

You don't say teachers' unions.

You said the Democrats are stopping it.

When you start talking about LGBTQ, you don't say LGBTQ.

If you do, you connect it to the Democrats and say they are the ones that support it.

They have to know

who their enemy is.

And it has to be known.

Absolutely.

When Jesus Christ went in front of the Jews, when he's at the temple, and they were all wondering, you know, why they're being treated so badly, they were all angry at the Romans, right?

Christ said, don't worry about the Romans.

Your problem is them jokers right over there, the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

And they said,

liars, hypocrites, generation of vipers.

And he just went off.

And that's when they said, he's got to die.

He said, oh, it's not the Romans.

They're not your problem.

Suckers right over there.

And see, we have failed to do this.

And this is why my book, The Iron Triangle,

Book Authority gave it number 61 on the greatest political books ever written in the history of the world, because it blew up all these myths.

It told what the black, most black preachers and black politicians and black civil rights organizers were doing.

We've held them in highest saying, oh, the NAACP is great.

Oh, you know, Martin Luther King Jr.

Civil Rights Movement was great.

Oh, the black caucus is great.

I said, no, they're not.

They're the enemy.

And then people say,

your problem is not the white conservative.

Your problem, Jim Joker, is right over there.

If you ever take a moment to sit down and talk to your white conservative neighbor, you'll see you're talking to some of the best people that walk the face of this earth.

But they won't talk to you because they've been told that you hate them.

And you won't talk to them because you've been told that they hate you.

And who tells you that?

Black preacher, black politician, black civil rights worker.

And these people aren't stalkers.

They're not going to come to you asking you to accept them.

They're the type that's going to say, if you don't like me, that's your problem.

You put your hands on me, you're going to have another one.

You're welcome

to come to my home.

You're welcome to talk to me.

If you need a good preacher, I'll find you one.

If you're hungry, I'll feed you.

If you need a job skill,

you're getting one.

But short of that, if you come and try to hurt anything of me or mine, I got two things to keep you off me talking.

It's Jesus about 38.

And these people don't understand these people.

I live in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia.

Best people in the world.

I'm a big guy.

You're a big guy.

We're small compared to these men.

It's 646668.

Yeah, they make them big.

Nicest guys in the world.

Man, if your car gets in a ditch, there'll be five of them pulling it out.

If they go and they kill a deer, they'll cut some meat off and leave it on your front porch.

Hey, business, this is for you.

Just

when it's harvest time, oh man, they're just piling up food.

Just good neighbors, great people, but they're men.

And you are not going to walk up to them and tell them that they're responsible for your plight and they have done nothing to you.

They're not going to accept it.

I don't accept it.

Of course not.

But if you say,

I'm a man, you're a man.

I'm responsible for myself.

You're responsible for me.

I need your help.

They'll do anything to help you.

Can I ask you,

well, two questions just about family dynamics.

So why is it that women are obviously much less violent than men on average?

But

men, boys who grew up in a female-headed household tend to be more violent.

What is that?

Men are violent.

Most of us have a violent nature.

And our fathers teach us the temperate.

They teach us control.

Yeah.

From the time we come home, from the hospital until the time we leave his house, control yourself.

My father had to teach me how to sleep alone.

My mother would let me sleep with her until

I was 18 years old, right?

Of course.

Dad says no.

He has to learn to sleep alone.

No.

He has to learn to sleep alone.

That's a father.

Oh, but my mama came up.

Put him down, let him walk.

He's too big to carry.

Put him down.

He has to walk.

She puts him down.

You and I have seen mothers carrying boys three and four years old around in the store.

Fathers put it down.

Did I learn to walk?

Fathers know these things.

He sits up under his mother.

He starts trying to run to his mother.

Get away from your mother.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Dads do that.

But if dads are not there, mother's going to automatically grab him and baby him and rock him.

So he never learns to temper himself.

Even now, when it comes down to the whole LGBTQ thing, right?

Do what you want to do.

Your father says, no, no, no.

Control yourself.

You can't just jump every woman you want to see.

Well, I have a male attraction.

You better control that.

Why?

Because those are the rules, son.

Control yourself.

Do your duty.

And but you know, women will raise boys to get in their feelings.

Oh, let your feelings guide you.

No.

Well, what if I don't feel like going to work tomorrow?

What if I feel like slapping this woman?

Whether I feel like cussing my boss out.

Whether I feel like slacking on the job.

My feelings?

You and I was taught these feelings are set aside.

I'm gonna give you a series of rules to follow.

Control yourself.

When have you heard a liberal or Democrat ever say such a thing now?

Control yourself.

Oh, God, you want to walk out.

You know, a simple thing like when you go to work in the morning times, a certain way you're supposed to act.

No, no, I'm going to come here and act the way I want to act.

I'm going to be flaming.

I'm going to work where I want to work.

I'm going to wear high heels and lipstick.

Like Joe Biden had all those freaks in his in his cabinet.

What, that, April Levine?

Person that works for the health and human services?

Yeah, yeah, Rachel Levine.

Yo, Rachel,

I mean, a man in a dress, and it's like not like that you don't know that's a man in a dress.

No, no.

Because sometimes you can see a man in a dress and not know it, right?

Right.

But you know that's a man in a dress, and he want everybody to lie.

You got to walk around him and lie and act like he's not a man in the dress.

And if you call him sir, he's going to get an attitude and try to get you fired so i gotta walk around this guy and lie and call him ma'am

if it's if it's wrong don't do it if it's a lie don't say it

it's simple

call me ma'am i'm not gonna call you ma'am you are not a woman

and if you come to me about that again i'm gonna show you not a woman because i'm gonna knock you out stay away from me They got this other Sam Brenton guy walking around, bald head, red lipstick on, a mustache, with pumps, and a skirt.

He comes to the job interview with that on.

And you're supposed to look at that boy and say, first, okay, this is a joke, right?

Somebody's pranking me, right?

No, this is real.

Holy, holy.

This guy needs help.

You don't make fun of him.

You don't

beat him up.

You don't stay right there.

And call somebody.

We need to pray.

This man needs help.

And we need to give him the help that he needs.

They're exploiting these people.

Pete Boo the judge

gets married to a man.

That's cool.

All right.

But then he hires him in his cabinet.

What is that?

Middle finger to the church.

Yeah, I'm going to put this man.

And then all over the world,

Xi Jinping and Putin is watching this.

Stone cold killers.

Looking for weakness.

Looking for the boys of D-Day to die.

So it says time to take America America now.

Oh, you know about the Roman Empire with the barbarians at the gate

and the men were too effeminate to defend their own city-state, trying to hire mercenaries to do it.

We had it there.

And you got these guys.

Again, Vladimir Putin has made it plain.

He said, this Western satanic way of living stops here.

We're not having this LGBTQ stuff here in Russia.

We're not having these anti-Christian, anti-American values here in Russia, I read a story inside the Washington Post that he's militarizing the people to defend his country against it.

He said, no, it stops.

The Russian Orthodox Church said, no, it stops.

You have Victor Orban

in Hungary is concerned about it.

It's coming.

They said, no, it's not.

You have Xinji Ping said, it's not coming over here.

And the African nations are saying the same thing.

Yes.

And right now, we have people in America that have an agenda, and it's a worldwide agenda.

That's one of the reasons why they going into Ukraine.

I read this thing from, oh God, I forget where I got it, but it's in my new book.

But the guy said that one of, to get in the EU, one of the things they had to do was have a gay pride parade in Kiev.

It's

one of the things you're going to have to do.

And they had to get a great gay pride parade.

Then they bought it to the Donbass region, and that's when stuff broke off.

Because Berlin says, no.

You've taken it too far now.

And that's when all the wheels started rolling.

And they knew that the EU and NATO was coming in in because these are the things that they do.

And then they press their ideology further and further.

So now Biden has tied most of Americans' foreign policy money to LGBTQ, climate change, and abortion.

If you don't allow these things, you don't get the money anymore.

And the African nations are saying, what?

People are starving.

Well, if you don't do this, they'll starve.

And so, guess who comes and fills the gap?

Vladimir Putin.

Exactly.

Or Xi Jinping.

And Xin Jinping.

The abortion thing is particularly confusing to me

in the United States among black voters because it's so obviously genocidal.

And,

you know, if you look at the numbers on whose babies are being aborted and where the abortion clinics are, I mean, it's wildly disproportionate in the black community.

And it does seem like, first of all, it's not an accident.

But second, it's such a clear sign.

I can claim I love you, but if I'm putting an abortion clinic in your neighborhood and encouraging you not to have children, what am I saying?

I'm saying I want you extinct.

Do you know what the first recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award?

No.

Martin Luther King,

1966.

Wow.

I didn't know that.

Margaret Sanger was not a friend to the community, as we say.

Planned Parenthood

and the Negro Project.

She called us human weeds.

She said, more for the fit, less for the unfit.

She had a thing called the Negro Project where she wanted to exterminate the black community because we we were human weeds as far as she was concerned.

And Martin Luther King Jr.

helped us set up abortion clinics and got the Margaret Sang Award in 1966.

When I heard from people, oh, he didn't know what was going to happen, they duped him.

I said, well, did the, well, they have it on display yet.

That's actually true?

Yes.

And I said, well, have they given the award back yet?

The Human Weed Award?

Yeah.

No one, no, they haven't.

All right, then.

That means that they're proud of it because they still display it.

They still say, oh, we didn't know this.

Take this award back.

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Yeah, Martin Luther King Jr.

was the first recipient of the Marcus Sanger Award in 1966.

Did you know the king was excommunicated from the black church?

No.

Yeah, in 1961, he was going to take it over for the civil rights community.

They had this bishop by the name of Bishop Jackson.

And Jackson said, no, the church was not supposed to be involved in politics.

If you want to be involved in politics, go join the NAACP.

Yeah.

Go join the Urban League.

But the church is supposed to get you prepared to live forever in the presence of Jesus Christ.

We're in ecclesiastical matters.

We're not going to be marching.

We're not going to be doing sent-ins.

Well, King and his crew wanted to take over the National Baptist Convention.

They've been given their orders from Stanley Levinson in the Common Turn to do this.

So they had a plan.

Taylor Branch talks about this in this book, and also David Garrell talks about it.

But if you just go on to the Progressive Baptist National Convention website, they'll tell you about it too.

They went to the convention in Kansas City, the National Baptist Convention.

It was a 10 million member organization.

Almost all black people like they were Baptist.

And so the Baptist churches had this convention called the National Baptist Convention.

King and his boys are going to go there and they were going to force a vote on the floor.

And King had a guy that he was going to put up.

He wanted him to be president and King was going to be his puppet master.

Okay.

So

they were going to force the vote and they had a plan to go on the floor.

and push their way through.

And I don't know what this means, but

somehow another supposed to work and take the floor.

they did it and a fist fight breaks out preachers in there fight

one of the preachers got killed during the melee this preacher happened to be bishop jackson's best friend fractured his skull and he died wow yeah at the convention yeah they had to bring in swat team the riot police and the mayor it got so bad that the mayor of kansas said he even came in

told him to cut this mess out.

Why have I never heard this story?

Yeah, before.

Yeah, yeah.

So

King loses the the vote.

The preacher dies, and Bishop Jackson holds King personally responsible for it.

He excommunicates King from the Baptist Church, kicks him out.

So King gets smart, and he wants people to still believe he's affiliated with the Baptist Church.

So he starts his own religion, his own church, and it's called the Progressive National Baptist Convention.

That's the sect that Raphael Wardock is,

Raphael Warnock belongs to, Senator Raphael Warnock from Georgia.

This is why Raphael is so progressive and so liberal when it comes to abortion and Gary Wrights, because that's what these guys do.

They're an apostate group of weirdos, malcontents, and perverts.

And

they started an apostasy in the black church.

So when black people saw Baptist

in King's organization, they thought he was still with the National Baptist Convention.

Well, I fell for it too.

Yeah.

Hell talking, I did too.

About two two years ago.

I was doing research on Raphael Warnock, and I saw he was with the PNBC.

I said, it was a PNBC.

So I looked it up,

and it said Kingstar, da-da-da-da.

And then I looked through the books in my library, and I saw that Taylor Branch had written about it and had done a chapter on it.

And he went into it in depth.

And I said, ow,

how much else do I not know?

And then I found out about the Margaret Sanger Award.

That's shocking to me.

And I'm saying, good God, then you find out that he plagiarized

his doctorate dissertation at Boston U.

And the only reason why they didn't take it back is because they didn't want to be called racist.

And then you come to find out he's not a Christian.

And I'm sitting here in my late 50s saying, I'm a well-educated man.

My family is well-educated.

Doctors and lawyers, nobody, nobody knew it.

Nobody.

I mean, I have scholars in my family, and I'm calling all of them.

Didn't know that, didn't know.

And I'm sitting there everybody says, oh, my goodness.

This is one of the reasons I do what I do because I know with information, people change their minds, because it changed everybody I gave it to.

And they were sitting there saying, oh, my, my God.

So I've done a podcast on it, and people hear it, and I'm thinking, I'm going to get cussed out.

This, you know, good.

You always

to a man.

Thank you.

I didn't know.

Thank you.

It explains a lot.

Thank you.

Now I understand.

And this is why what you do is so important.

You have this huge megaphone that people listen to.

And when you do this and give a person like me an opportunity to come on and say these things,

man, it's effective.

Well, because I think I don't know the truth about almost anything, but I do know that what I have been told is likely untrue in almost every category.

And I think people have arrived at that conclusion.

You know what I mean?

But yeah, you see the results of it.

They're more open-minded.

Yeah, they are.

Well, so I would say this.

There's a lot about, I thought I knew a lot about civil rights history because I learned about it, you know, every year at school.

But I do know that the fruits have not been what were promised at all.

It actually hasn't worked.

You're from around Memphis.

Exactly.

Oh, God.

I was talking to one of your sisters this morning who lives in Memphis.

And I...

When I lived near Memphis 30 years ago in Little Rock, Arkansas, and people would drive from Little Rock to Memphis for the weekend.

I'm like, take your wife there for a fun weekend.

Stay at the PBD Hotel.

I was there.

I went to college, University of Memphis.

I was there.

Yeah, great.

It was a cool town.

And now, you know, it's the most dangerous city in the United States, or certainly one of them.

It's like in free fall.

So clearly,

this isn't working.

They know it's not working.

They have the same stats in front of them that we have, Tucker, but a Democratic Party, heaven, is an American hell.

I saw that great interview you did with President Buchley.

Yeah.

From El Salvador.

Yeah, good guy.

And he talked about spiritual warfare.

He recognized it as that.

Yes.

That MS-13 was satanic and they were doing rituals.

Literally.

Yeah, it's literally satanic.

And he said that

when they hit them, they killed 84 people in three days.

And he said, what did we do?

He said, we prayed.

That's right.

He said, and we prayed for wisdom.

And he said, and we knew we were in a spiritual war.

And then he said, a miracle happened.

And they shut all of that down.

And he said, and people in America were mad at us because they knew that we could do it here.

They could do it there.

Yes.

And they don't want it down here because if people live a certain, it's like people going to a plantation owner and say, hey, man, why don't you teach your slaves how to read?

What?

Then they'll know they're slaves.

Harold Tubman said, I freed a thousand people.

I'd have freed a thousand more.

They just known they were slaves.

I'd have freed them.

But I was telling you about how in the black church they were telling we were on the curse of ham, that we were supposed to be where we are.

See, they

actually heard a preacher say that.

Oh, yes, yes, many, yes.

They do the same thing now, Tucker.

They walk around telling black people, you know, your country hates you.

White supremacy.

White supremacy?

The split side of white supremacy is black inferiority.

We must stop white supremacy.

Well, that means blacks are inferior.

We have to ask for DEI.

Why?

Because we can't compete with you because you're so freaking good.

We need government interference.

We need government to help us because I can't compete with the white man.

All right, thank you very much.

Uh-huh.

I guess I am inferior then.

Because I say the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life was affirmative action and DEI.

Now think about this.

You're a black man, right?

You're saying businesses and the government are racist.

And everybody says, yeah.

What's your solution to this?

Let the businesses and the government go to the black community and decide these racist businesses and racist governments go down to the black community and decide what black people they're going to elevate.

So you're going to let the racists decide what black people are going to elevate them.

Yeah, that's right.

Who you think they're going to pick?

Malcolm X or step and fetch it?

They don't want to end discrimination.

They want to control

discrimination.

They want to have this program so they say, okay, you decide what black person gets what.

And they get all their cronies.

And that's what's happened for the last 50, 60 years.

If you want to see the contempt the Democratic Party has for black people turn on msnbc and just look at al sharpton

and joy reed

look like a damn fool she got trump hair she hate donald trump and got trump's hair on her head

how is she taken seriously by some obviously because they keep her on al sharpton still press his hair like you've like and the conk left the black community.

Exactly.

The conch left when David Ruffin left the temptations back in 1967.

It's an old school look, I will say.

Look like a fool.

But you know what?

That's how they see us.

Yo, the word was out that Al Sharpton was a drug dealer back in the day.

What's the mafia guy you had on your show?

The who?

The mafia guy, ex-mafia guy.

Oh, what a great guy.

Oh, God, the guy's awesome.

Oh, gosh.

I was next to him the other day.

He's awesome.

He's awesome.

And he came out on Real Sports with Brian Gumbel and told the Al Sharpton story.

Said that, you know, Al was, and then Al had to come out and admit to it.

Yeah, he's a snitch.

Oh, he was an FBI snitch.

Yeah, out there selling drugs.

Now I heard that, you know,

they wanted to end menthol cigarettes in the black community, right?

Yeah.

And Joe Biden pulled back on it because they started saying it might make black people mad at him.

And Joe don't want to lose any votes, right?

So let them die.

You know, they said to save between 300,000 and 600,000 lives in the next few years, Joe said, I'm going to lose some votes.

Let them die.

Votes?

Why am I laughing at?

Hell, let them die.

They just black people.

Let them die.

So I smelled a rat, right?

I said, what turned Joe Biden away from this?

I said, I think I got a pretty good idea.

So I smelled a rat and I put that rat's name in and put in menthol cigarettes.

And Al Sharpton showed up.

I said, why not get him?

I mean, hasn't this clown done enough?

So

the cigarette manufacturer called Al up and said, Al, we're going to give you some money to go down into the black community and

put some heat on Joe Biden, right, to keep him from banning these menthol cigarettes because we're getting paid, you know.

And so Al was trying to be slick.

He didn't want to go against NAACs.

So he decided to corrupt George Floyd's brother and Eric Gardner's mother and had them go down there and talk for him.

So he didn't have to be on the front pages behind.

George Floyd's brother is a menthol cigarette lobbyist?

Yeah, yeah.

He's working for Newport now?

You're working for Al Charlton.

Al paid him under the table, I guess.

And Eric Gardner's mother.

he sat them down to talk for the menthol cigarettes to stay in the black community.

And then they started putting the heat on Joe Biden.

Joe Biden pulled it back because he said it might cost him some votes.

So George said, let them die.

They've taken all other flavored cigarettes out, you know, that the white people smoke.

Yeah, yeah.

But when it comes to black people, the menthol makes the nicotine more addictive, right?

And everybody knows this, okay?

And

for some reason, when they were addicting the communities to cigarettes back in the 40s and 50s, they were just giving them away they they they they were giving the methyl cigarettes away in the black community for sure and so black people were smoking them and i always wondered why black people smoked certain brands cools newports yeah but they were giving them away and the father

when you were a kid too yeah yeah my father didn't smoke yeah he never smoked uh my mom didn't smoke so i didn't smoke so i would see my uncles and black men everybody smoked except my dad and my mom and

I always kind of wondered why they'd smoked the same brand.

And I never saw white people smoking them.

It was

a a nasty cigarette.

Yeah, yeah, I've never.

And so

I'm hearing, so I hadn't thought about it at all until I read this story about Biden pulling back the ban on menthol cigarettes.

And I said, there's got to be something behind this.

It's always following money, right?

Well, of course.

And there stood Al Sharpton.

I said, boy, now you're killing black people with menthol cigarettes.

300, 600,000 black lives.

I guess black lives don't matter when it comes to menthol cigarettes, right?

So they gave out a little money and

somebody said, you know, Al, if you take this money, 600,000 black people are going to die.

He said, and

how much money am I giving you?

But it is, I think you're absolutely right.

I never thought of it this way, Wilkes, because I'm not black, but it's an expression of contempt.

That's exactly what that is.

Oh, idiots.

Here are your spokesmen.

Here are your leaders, Joy Reed and Al Sharpton.

You obviously don't think much of me.

Tucker, you and I both know black people that are much more qualified, much better at what they do.

Yeah, I do.

Well-spoken, better-looking.

I can understand how Joe Biden looked at Al Sharpton and thought that black people weren't clean, okay?

Look at it, right?

So, you know, you look at these people that

they

choose.

The DEI hires, right?

Yeah.

The Ronald Camille, Jim Clyburn, Maxine Waters.

A bunch of idiots.

I mean, if you ever get the opportunity to sit down and have a conversation with them, you're going to walk away saying, oh my God, black people are doomed.

These people are absolutely moronic.

And they are leading the black community.

And they are the stupidest people walking the face of this earth.

From Sharpton to Jackson to Clyburn to Maxine Waters.

Oh, my goodness.

And, you know, I'm warning warning black people about them because you asked the question.

I mean, I tell them, look at where they rule.

They're all kings over ghettos,

standing on the ashes, playing the fiddle, drugs, fighting, dope, terrible schools, family breaking down, graffiti.

Man, you wouldn't let your dog live in the places these people live in Detroit and Chicago and New York.

And they are there.

And then what happens when they run for office?

There's no opposition because nobody won't even, the Republicans don't even show up down here no it's true they don't even show up there's no opposition anymore Chicago and in these black majority districts none none so these people are left to be smitten and beaten down and destroyed in a one-party system this is why I say as Taylor Brandt said in his book that in 1956 the communists in America were given instructions to turn the black community into a direct oblique of the Soviet bloc and they've done it one-party rule, dictator worship, apostate religion, poverty, drug abuse,

government dependency.

It's a third world country and a first-world country.

The black community instantly says something like Haiti or worse.

And it started out with Martin Luther King Jr., whose whole life was a ditty party.

Oranges and smoking and fighting and whipping up on women.

Martin Luther King Jr.

make a ditty party look like a Catholic convent school.

Just show they not your ass.

He was smoking a menthol cigarette when he was killed.

Yes, he sure was.

He was smoking a menthol cigarette

and had been fighting and beating up women the night before and drinking.

It's just, it's interesting.

I hesitate to even say it out loud, but you're just from such a different...

I can see why you're mad about this because you're just from a different world.

Yes.

And the world you grew up in was not collapsed or pathetic.

It sounds like, no.

No.

There's always a penalty for lying to the strong.

Some people you're going to lie to and say, well, no, no, no.

You lie to the wrong joker.

You have to pay for it.

I'm one of those type of guys.

Yes.

See, I was taught up to revere these people.

Martin Luther King Jr.'s picture so in my daddy's house right now

revere them what they said was right it was canon

and then when you when you're searching it it's almost like when cs lewis was talking to Tolkien and Tolkien was trying to tell, you know, C.S.

Lewis was an atheist and Tolkien believed in God.

And, you know, I would have loved it.

And there's a book, How These Two Brainiacs Discuss This, right?

Tolkien and C.S.

Lewis walking around Cambridge discussing this.

And Tolkien finally had C.S.

Lewis with an absolute fact.

He said, Jesus Christ was either a maniac.

Yes.

Or he's exactly who he said he was.

There's no middle ground here.

Now you got to decide.

And Lewis looked at all the evidence.

He said, man, went crazy.

He had to be who he said he was and he said he had to deal with it he went through a convulsion

and after that you know says lewis became the greatest christian apologist of the 20th century that's for sure learned so much from him from his writings and he died on the same day that jfk died yes and i'm reading his works and if and they've led me to great places you know hell is a choice right pride the most damnable sin we were brought up black pride black pride that's whoa pride's a damnable sin I don't even use the word anymore.

I'll tell my children I'm pleased with them.

What did God say to Jesus as my my son?

Well, I'm well pleased.

Yes.

We don't use pride in our house.

We use esteem.

I'm esteemed.

I aspire.

I tell my children, I'm well pleased with you.

Because pride is something God hates.

And what have the left done?

They made it a virtue.

And children are dying because of pride.

That's why they pull their pants down.

Pride.

You offended me.

I don't care.

What does a humble person do?

They walk in and say, I don't want to do anything to offend you, sir.

Exactly right.

So tell me the rules here and all about it.

Because I'm putting your needs, your feelings above my own.

Exactly.

Oh, not the left.

Uh-uh.

Me, me, me, me, me.

What do they say?

Me, me, my truth, me, me, me.

God hates that.

And they try to use it as a virtue.

Tolerance.

Tolerance is a sin.

Billy Graham did a great sermon on the sin of tolerance.

My next book coming out at the end of July is called the The End of Tolerance.

Telling America, our tolerance has the end.

We have to become intolerant of these things.

And we can't be afraid to say that we are.

No, no further.

You're not bringing this in my household.

You're not saying this in my child.

We're not allowing this any longer.

I'm not going to allow you to sexualize my child.

I'm not going to allow you to bring a drag queen into school and shake his ass in my son's face.

I'm not going to allow you to corrupt my children.

I'm not going to allow it.

You have to stand firm and say, I'm not going to allow it.

Tell a mother, I'm not going to allow you

to feminize my son.

We have to start telling the court system, you're going to stop taking boys away from their fathers who can rear them correctly and give them to women who, even though they might try, you know they don't have the ability to do it.

You know it.

Why?

Well, that's about 60 years of empirical evidence to show that to be true.

We have to start putting together a society again

where if you read this book, my brother gave it to me.

about

the governor of Maryland Westmore, the two Westmores.

I don't know if if you've heard of it on Oprah had it on her book club thing, but it was a book about Westmore

who became governor of Maryland, a black man, and another Westmore that ended up in prison.

And he talked about how their lives separate.

But the Westmore of Maryland said that they were both going in the same direction until his mother grabbed him.

He said, smoking weed, wasn't doing well in school.

His mother went and borrowed money from everybody in his family.

It

took him to a military school and said, get out.

And they raised him and they gave him discipline.

He ended up going to oxford

they know this works

from marvel collins at west side prep

to all these schools around here in america they know this works

but you don't teach the slaves on your plantation to read

they will leave the plantation

this is why the gop has to say and i talked about this with a good friend of mine dave bratt down at liberty university he used to be a congressman yeah i know and and and and and and they said vince it's gonna be christian businessmen that do this.

It's not going to be the churches.

It's not going to be the politicians.

It's going to be people like me and you, Tucker, like you're doing your job.

You do it every day, and I applaud you for it, that says, I'm my brother's keeper.

If that man, if that child is a Christian, he's my brother.

And I'm obligated to assist them.

Why?

He's my brother.

You and I talked about brothers, right?

That's right.

Our brothers stand together.

He's my brother.

And therefore, we are obligated once we get to a point in life to say, we got to go back and get some, we got to go back and get some.

We have to.

And we have to stop doing like, and we sometimes get trapped in what liberals do.

Let's use government.

Let's go to government.

Let's go to government.

So why would we have to go to government?

When we are captains of industry, when we have millions of dollars, when we just do it ourselves, we can scholarships.

We can sell up boarding schools.

We can get

these really troubled.

Let's start at the troubled boys first.

And let's go and say, Ms.

Jackson, your son is flunking out of school.

He's in the second grade.

He's going to end up where his dad is, in prison and owned dope.

We can take him and educate him and make a man out of him by the time he's 18 and he'll take care of you for the rest of your life.

Can we have him?

You can see him on the weekend.

She'll say I'll take him.

Guarantee it.

Guarantee it.

That's what we must start doing and that's how we reconnect the chain.

By going and recognizing, because if the black community is corrected,

60% of the crime in America fades away.

The car jackets in D.C., Tucker, and in Memphis.

It's been done by young people, and they're getting younger and younger.

Man, I read a story that hurt my heart.

It was a special needs guy in Washington, D.C.

He had two fingers on each hand.

I think he's in his 50s.

Him and this guy had gotten to it on the street about something, arguing or fighting, and it had ended.

And a group of five black girls, under the age of 15, actually got, can we jump on him?

He said, yeah, go do it.

And they beat the guy to death

this was about maybe a month ago beat him to death

and you say what type of society do we have now

almost 20 juveniles have been killed in dc already this year under the age of 18 shot in the street and it happens all the time now where we're numb to it

There's a way out.

We have to go back to our Christian virtue.

We have to go back to loving our neighbor as ourselves and like I said we want Christian men to first love God with all your heart your soul and your mind

then you love your neighbor as yourself because as we discussed before unless you love God first with your heart soul and mind you can't love yourself how do you love yourself unless you don't love God

then when you love him and the peace of God comes over you then you know how to love your neighbor

And we're not talking about some

idol, like hip-hop music, love money.

Yeah, that's your God, right?

well if that's the case what you're gonna do to your neighbor right we're gonna sell them dope we're gonna put them into prostitution why because that's my god i love my god as myself so we have to go back to our christian standards then we have to go back then we take care of our families then we go and we help our brothers and sisters in christ and when christian businessmen and women get together and say forget the gop bunch of crook liars sycophant sycophants we're going to do this ourselves and we and you already know this that charities, public charities always do better than government.

Always.

Hell, they tax us at such a high rate, though, we can hardly use any of that money to send it to charity.

But that's what we have to do.

And we have to put out the alarm.

The stuff that you do, man, I don't know.

You're here in Maine right now and you're kind of isolated like I am in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

You don't know the effect you have on America.

I hope you know.

No.

It is absolutely, positively tremendous.

On my way down, I always travel in a suit.

My dad taught taught me that.

James Brown said, wherever you go, even if you're traveling, you got to strut, right?

So I'm coming down and said, hey, man, what you doing?

I said, I'm going to do an interview talk.

Everybody knows your name.

It wasn't a person that I talked to.

I flew from,

I flew from Richmond, had to go to Atlanta.

So I went 500 miles south for some reason to come back up here.

Went to Atlanta and then flew from Atlanta up here.

And everybody that stopped me and talked to to me and I told them I was going, everybody knew who you were.

Black, white, Asian, didn't matter.

Everybody knew Tucker Carlson and everybody said, oh man, he's great.

And I'm looking at, I mean, everybody love Tucker.

Love.

Tell him I said hi.

I'm came white white.

You're making me feel like I should leave my house once in a while.

Look, in Lynchburg, everywhere I went, when I would tell people, People say, oh, Vince, what do you do?

I was going to talk, yo, Vince, Tucker?

And then they lean in.

And it's never been a person I've met ever at the gym, at the grocery store, at church on the street.

And when I mention your name, they do not know who you are.

Well, you haven't met, obviously, a lot of unmarried 45-year-old white female lawyers.

They're not my fan.

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I would say a couple of, I know Sharpton very well, and a couple of things I would say.

I remember you said you went to Liberia with him?

Yep.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's not stupid.

Oh, no.

He's not dumb at all.

No.

Nope.

No.

He's one of the very few public figures who's actually smarter than he looks.

I quoted you in my book when you said Al Sharpton wants to be president of black America.

Yeah, that's all he cares about.

And see, and I said, I thought he was supposed to be a preacher.

No, I know.

Whose job is to reign people to Jesus Christ.

Why are you involved in politics if you, I mean, you're a preacher?

Why are you involved in politics?

You know what he was?

It's interesting.

He was,

I mean, look, you know, all of us make decisions

freely, the big decisions freely.

Like, there are our faults.

Of course, I'm not getting a past on it.

But Sharpton grew up a performer

in the church.

Yeah, he was preaching at three, four years old.

Yeah, exactly.

At four.

And his mom sent him around.

His father had an affair with his mother's daughter from a first marriage with his stepdaughter and ran off.

Yeah.

But she put Sharpton out on the road at like four, boy preacher, L.

Sharpton.

He went on the road with like

Mahalia Jackson, I think.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

And preaching.

And so he's grew up in a really distorted way.

And I think that's part of it.

Well, that's what's happened with the black church.

It's turned Christianity into entertainment.

Yeah.

And it doesn't need to do that.

It really doesn't.

The word is enough.

If you want to see yourself a good singer, just give them a box guitar and listen to them, right?

I love James Taylor.

James Taylor can just sit down with

acoustic guitar.

You just, wow, James Taylor's great.

Tracy Chapman can do the same.

Exactly.

But Haley Jackson could just have a piano.

Yes.

And could rock an auditorium.

That's for sure.

Those are, but when you guys, you know, Kiss needed to have explosions and

makeup and stacks that high, you know, because they couldn't sing.

So they needed to entertain.

And when you have preachers that don't know the word,

they go into entertainment.

Do you preach ever?

No, man.

I take preaching much.

Every division preachers,

unless Jesus Christ comes and sits beside me and tells me, Vince, I want you to go preach my word.

I'm not going to say I'm speaking for him.

I'm more like a layman.

I agree with that.

I take it from like C.S.

Lewis, right?

C.S.

Lewis says, no, I didn't go to seminary.

I'm not a preacher.

I am a Christian.

I'm just explaining to you my relationship with Christ and how I see it.

I hope you agree.

And he changed the world.

We have people now, and

I don't know how it gets back right, because as you know through your history, that with the Jewish community, the Sanhedrin and the Sadducees had to be destroyed.

Their line really doesn't exist like it did back then then any longer because they become so apostate.

The Civil Rights Movement did that to the black preacher.

It brought liberalism into the black church when it had been very conservative

in its teachings

and wasn't really into politics much at all.

Now it's getting very liberal in its teachings.

You have very few black preachers that will preach against LGBTQ or against abortion because the Democratic Party controls the preacher.

And we have two generations of black people now that have not really heard the truth.

They will play Martin Luther King Jr.

over and over again who doesn't really mention the name of Jesus unless it's in a parable.

You've never seen him baptize anybody.

You never see him have an altar call or tell people come to faith or bring them to Christ.

Everything's about the vote.

Everything's about marching.

Everything's about protesting.

And they see the church through that vein.

And that is not its calling.

No, that's corrupt.

Yes.

And corrupting.

Yes.

And it's corrupted the black community.

And it's corrupting the white community now because they're doing the same thing.

And people are believing.

And they're saying, if you want to get butts in the pews, this is what you do.

You start talking about social justice.

And C.S.

Lewis in the Screw Tape Letters talked about social justice.

He said that

we want to use Christianity to a means to an end, even to the end of social justice.

He said, because the enemy, he called God God the enemy, of course, because he was the devil.

Yes.

He said, because the enemy will not be used as a convenience.

And I said, wow.

And when I read it, it made me more angry because we've been told that social justice is a good thing.

But C.S.

Lewis said, God will not be used as a convenience.

And we try to use him as that.

Pay my light bill.

Pay my car note.

Give me a house.

Give me a job.

Hell,

a social worker can get you that.

Who can get you eternal life?

He's not your do-boy.

He's not your cosmic chauffeur.

And they have relegated him to that.

And he will not be used as a convenience.

And right now we're telling people this lie

that if you join my church,

he's going to bless you with a Cadillac.

He's going to bless you with more money.

He's going to bless you with that.

No, he'll make sure that you're in peace no matter where you are.

My father one time,

it was this beautiful situation.

It didn't start out that way, but it ended up great.

His 80th birthday, they were going to hold him a big birthday celebration.

And my sisters were setting it up, right?

And

they hadn't gotten everything straight.

So we were at church.

They said,

Vince, we don't have everything set up yet.

We need you to take daddy off somewhere and keep him occupied for about two hours.

I said, what do you want me to do with daddy for two hours?

I mean, you can't do anything.

Daddy, do what he want to do.

You find a way to get it done.

You know, my sisters, you know, they rule the rules.

I was like,

dang it.

So I grabbed it.

I said, hey, daddy, come on, let's go somewhere because they want to be a surprise, right?

He wanted to be a surprise birthday party.

Okay, boy, let's go.

So I got him, I put him in my car, and I said, hey, daddy,

show me where I was born, the place where I was born.

I was in Tennessee.

He said, I'll take you right to it.

So he and I got in the car and we drove.

He said, turn in here.

He knew exactly where it was.

And he said, turn up in here.

And I turned up in there and it was a field.

And he got out.

And my mother.

passed away 12 years ago.

And he started pointing at places.

And he said, the house was there.

He said, we would sit on the porch there and we watch y'all play, me and your mother.

He stopped and said, happiest days of my life.

And I said, wow.

They were poor.

They were young.

They didn't have rainwater.

He says, happiest days of my life.

He gives you peace no matter where you are in your life.

Ah, you're making me emotional.

That's it.

Rich,

poor, whatever.

Peace.

That's what we're after, Tucker.

Everything's going to be okay.

We turn to God.

Why?

Because we believe he's going to make everything okay.

Government says, turn to us.

That's a lie.

Leave them alone.

Turn to God.

And you find people, and you and I have seen them

while they're rising in life.

When they become millionaires, what do you say?

Boy, the happiest time of my life when me and my wife were living in a one-bedroom apartment and y'all were children.

And then when they get rich, they're taking pills and they hate one another.

And they'll turn back and they'll tell you, God, man, those happiest times in my life when I was young, when we were starting out.

And our Bible tells us, if you keep your mind on him, he'll keep you in perfect peace.

When he left to go to heaven, he said, my peace I leave with you.

Why do we have a fentanyl crisis in America?

No peace.

These children don't even know where to turn for it because they're telling them you're not a man, you're not a woman, you have pride you don't turn to god god's not real and you have and i i was wired up in my religion you know we believed in santa claus when we was five and six years old right so you're supposed to wire children up to believe in god at that time when you get in trouble son where do you go but no anxiety y'all you're just gonna be fine i've seen the end of the book you're gonna win you're gonna win and he walks through life yes

You know, as Muhammad Ali walking into a ring, looking at the undefeated number one contender, telling him, I'm going to kick your ass.

That's what he do with his hands up.

That's how you walk up and wake up in life every day looking at Satan.

I'm going to kick your ass.

Ain't no way you beat me today.

No way.

I win.

And when you do that, he starts backing up off of you.

But when you have to go to government and we have to go to man, and man is wishy-washy.

You know, he's going to go for his own best interest.

And they're telling these children this lie,

this lie.

And so we have wealthy people in our family off to buy daddy a house daddy said for what my house is fine i bought it in 1972 i paid it off and he sits there with his new wife he's as happy as he can be and when we come there it's a communion we would all give our house give our big houses for the small house that dad lives in right now because of all the happiness that was there peace just serenity i've told i told i i i i told my brothers and sisters i'm i i'm i might move back to dad's house when i become an old man and just sit there and chill like you're here in maine right?

The peace.

That's what it brings you.

That's what we're all after.

Over the last two hours, you said a bunch of different times that

we've bought the lie that voting brings us peace.

Yes.

Oh, they think it's a panacea.

It's seven, eight things down.

I mean,

would you prefer to have,

what's more powerful to have two rich guys in a town of 100,000 that can control elections

or have 100,000 people that are broke or controlled by the two rich guys?

It's money and power, Tucker.

We know that.

The people that, the lobbyists in D.C., the people that have the money, they control what we see on TV.

The masses are controlled by these people.

And if voting was a panacea, and this is something that's pretty interesting, you're going to love this stat.

The 1965 Voting Rights Act that they love, Martin Luther King Jr.

is all hell for, right?

They love him,

was, of course, passed in 1965, right?

The greatest percentage of black people who ever voted in a presidential election was in 2008 for Barack Obama, 2007 election.

Before then, do you know the second number?

1964,

before the Voting Rights Act.

That's a fact.

Before Barack Obama's election in 19, 2007, in 1964, you had the highest percentage of black people ever voted in the history of this nation, almost 70%.

And that was before the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

It was a tail end of something.

It caused nothing for the black community.

But they gave all of this to the civil rights movement because they needed King to be on top.

They needed him to have a victory.

And even now, they still lie about the impact that the Voting Rights Act has had on the United States of America.

More black people voted in 1964

than had ever voted before before the Body of Voting Rights Act was even passed.

Now, isn't that interesting?

Well, it's consistent, and it's not just black voters they say that to.

They say it to America.

Because the Civil Rights Movement.

They offer up something that doesn't actually help you, that it's a purely symbolic victory.

Yes.

Here's your win.

Here's your prize.

It's politics.

What does that have to do with anything?

Yes, politics did this for you.

We did it.

You know, people come up to me.

Hey, you weren't talking about the Civil Rights Movement, Martin Luther King Jr., you wouldn't have nothing if it wasn't for the Civil Rights Movement.

I said, man, you lost your mind.

Jesus Christ has ordained something for me.

Do you think anybody can stop it?

Are you crazy?

You're an idolater.

You think that Jesus Christ has ordained something for me and some white racist can stop me?

You've lost your mind.

That's why you don't have anything.

You've sat here in my face and told me that I can be stopped by a racist and that I need government to give me what I have.

I'm just about to pistol whip your ass right about that.

Hell you think you're talking to?

You're projecting, man.

Maybe you're a beggar.

Not me?

Never me.

You wouldn't have nothing if it wasn't for the civil rights movement.

Oh, that was millionaires.

Al Ross in my hometown was a millionaire, a black millionaire before the civil rights movement.

Jackie Robinson

had gotten into baseball, integrated before the civil rights movement.

Well, you grew up in a pretty pretty poor place, but you had a black millionaire.

Oh, yeah.

Al Ross was great.

His grandson, Bill Ross, is the mayor of Brownsville right now.

Al Ross gave my father a job.

My father never worked

for a white American.

He worked for himself or he worked for a black man.

His whole life.

Yeah, we had many prominent black people where I live.

I saw many prominent black people, school teachers, business owners,

people that owned clubs.

You know, it was just, you had poor whites, poor blacks, rich whites, rich blacks.

It's just what it was.

It wasn't a situation where all black people downtrodden, white folks beating there and hanging from trees.

I never see anything like that.

I had a

delta.

Yeah, this is in the delta.

We had a poorest part of the United States.

Yes.

I had a football coach named Rufus Lasseter, great coach, football coach, and he went out of Tennessee at the time.

Rufus Lasseter.

Rufus Lasseter.

Great football.

Oh, man.

He was great.

Hardcore, one of those.

Was just a great man.

White man.

My whole coaching staff was white.

Never any, never any semblance of racism, meanness toward the player.

Was the team mostly black?

Mostly black.

Yeah, mostly black.

And those coaches were awesome.

Never, never at the school was there any semblance of racism from the teachers.

None of that.

It just was there racial tension at your school.

No, we went to school with white children and they're friends of mine, even to this day.

None never had a white-black fight, riot.

Really?

Never.

What were the percentages, would you say?

I would say it's about 55-45.

Seriously.

Yeah.

And you never had.

Maybe 60, 40 black.

And you never had racial tension?

Never.

Not one time.

So if you're 25 right now in 2024, you can't even imagine the world you're describing.

No one under 50 has even

come into contact with a world like the one you're describing.

History is going to tell them we were fighting, we were hating one another, there was racial strife, the white people were treating us like we was dogs, we couldn't do anything.

The government had to come in and save us.

All of that.

And all of that is a lie.

All of it is a lie.

We saw people live and die based on their merit.

Some people did very, very well.

Some people did not.

And race really didn't have anything to do with it at all.

And this is, you're talking about your life that you live.

You saw this with your own eyes.

Yes.

And

right now, it's the same thing now.

You know about my family intimately and you see how successful we've been.

And as I tell people all the time.

I'm not going to let this secret out, but yes, I do.

I am familiar with your family.

Exactly.

That is true.

I'm not exaggerating.

No.

And as I tell people all the time, you don't get much blacker than me, okay?

It ain't like you can walk past and mistake this house of a white man, right?

And so it's obvious that I'm black.

So they don't care?

I'm black.

And what?

What are you going to judge?

I'm going to walk around some racist and please, boss, don't judge me by the color of my skin.

No, if you don't like me, that's your problem.

You put your hands on me, you have another problem.

I'm going to love you.

I've been ordered by Christ to do so.

I'm going to love you.

I'm going to treat you right.

I'm not going to cheat you.

I'm not going to lie on you.

I'm not going to do anything.

But it ends with blatant disrespect or with you trying to harm me.

And most men understand that.

Yes.

And because of that, it never happens.

Never.

I travel all over this country.

I meet nothing but nice people.

I can't remember the last time I met a bad person.

I'm literally sitting here trying to think, and I cannot think of it.

The last time I met a person that was just mean to me,

I can't come up with it.

I really cannot.

That's not the America that Joe Biden describes.

Yeah, and it's not that.

I don't know where that, well, he's Ron Democrats, you know, so they probably that way.

But

the rank-and-file American that I run into every day, and again, like you, I travel a lot.

And I run into people, and I know people really know you.

They see you, Tucker Carlson, right?

And they come up there, and I bet they're nice.

Hey, Tucker, hey, man.

They are nice, actually.

Yeah.

And

so

they want us to hate one another.

They want us to look at one another

and, you know, like Iago and Othello whispering in your ear, you know, whispering in your ear, he's your enemy.

You watch him.

He's your enemy.

You watch him.

You're watching him.

Dude, ain't done nothing to you.

But, you know, they whisper in your ear he's out to get you man you need to watch him now and when that's planted paranoia sets in and you have black people that are isolated in ghettos right isolated yes that never come out and they've been fed this lie

by the black preacher the black politician the black civil rights organizer and they won't let if you want to talk about segregation

you try to integrate

One of those majority black districts and try to bring a patch of white people in there and see how they're going to fight you.

I mean, if you want to bring black people, I mean, you want to make them mad bringing a Trader Joe's, right?

Or Whole Foods.

You want to bring white people in here.

Oh, get them things out of here.

Oh, man, they'll try to burn it down.

They don't want white people in those areas because you're bringing alien ideas to the locals.

No,

they want to keep white America out of those black areas.

They call it gentrification.

That's just a fancy word saying, keep white folks out.

And why do they want that?

Because they want control Ralph Abernathy wrote in his book and the walls came tumbling down

in the 1980 election.

He went to them and said look guys welfare is destroying the black family.

It's destroying we've got three generations of black people on welfare.

We need to start getting doing something to get them off.

And he wrote this in his book.

I never will forget it.

He said it pleased, he said something curious happened.

It pleased them to see three generations of black families on welfare because it gave them control.

And that's when he endorsed Ronald Reagan for president.

Ralph Abernathy endorsed Reagan?

In 1980.

How did I not know that?

Yeah, and that's why he did it because he said that the black caucus was trapping black people into this welfare trap.

And you remember when they did the welfare bill with Bill Clinton, how the black caucus fought against it, and they never voted for it, ever.

They want to keep these people exactly where they are.

That's where their power comes from.

It has always been one of these attributes of black leadership that's very different than any other leadership in America.

Jewish leadership, Asian leadership, and the people in the Indian community, they look out for the benefit of their people, their trustees.

Black leadership has always been a sellout leadership that came from the plantation system and the House Negro system.

So when black people in the South finally got the right to do anything, they would go with their old slave masters and the slave masters had their outside children, their mulatto children, and they would put them in the power of the black community and they would give them the money to set up shop, to have money, to run the office.

And it was always this interconnection between them,

them,

and

the class of black people

and the lower class black people that were under their control.

And it's that way still today.

The preacher, the civic organizers, and the politicians, they're all part of this little iron triangle.

where the rich white liberals in the Democratic Party give their money and they control the black community.

And the Democratic Party is an apostate evil organization.

It is the evilest organization in the history of the world.

Nothing ever comes close.

The Nazis were here for about maybe 20 years.

The Democrats have been here for 220.

And they were the party of slavery from 1800 to 1860.

The party of the Confederacy from 1860 to 1865.

The party of Jim Crow from 1865 to 1965, wholesale murder, rape, torture, castration, they did it.

All for power.

The civil rights movement was necessitated behind the atrocities of the Democratic Party down south.

And none of them voted for any of the civil rights, any of the civil rights legislation, maybe like one or two of them.

And do you think that after it passed that they changed on a dime?

Every senator that voted, every Democrat senator down south that voted against the civil rights legislations of the 60s remained in office.

They never got beat.

Whether it was Leicester Maddox, whether it was Eastron, whether it was Stennis,

all of them kept their power.

And a lot of them started keeping their power with the black vote

because through Stockholm syndrome, black people were voting for the Democratic Party because they had taken on the characteristics of their masters.

And they wanted to please him.

Wait, so guys who signed the Southern Manifesto, for example, opposed the civil rights legislation, they got re-elected with majority black support?

None of them lost their seats.

Black people got the right to vote down, started voting and mass down south.

Fritz Holland left office,

oh man, God, Fritz left probably in the 2000s.

Well, I knew him, so it wasn't that long.

Yeah, yeah.

And Fritz voted against it.

Yeah.

Fritz voted against it.

Stennis, Eastman,

all of those old Dixiecrats down there voted against it.

And none of them lost their offices, Madam.

Black people got the right to vote.

They voted for him.

Matter of fact, George Wallace, the worst of all of them, started winning with the black vote

before he died.

Black people vote for George Wallace.

Hell, Jesse Jackson came and campaigned for him.

You're blowing my mind.

Yeah.

That's how corrupted this is.

This is how intertwined it is.

They've always been part of the same group, and it's designed for one thing.

And this is why I always tell conservatives, the axis that this thing revolves on is the black community.

This is why now, Tucker, from what you've been doing,

about 30% of the black vote has left the Democratic Party over the last year.

It started with our George Floyd interview, and then black people started paying attention, and now it's just leaving.

And

Joe Biden's in a panic.

The Democrats are in a panic.

This is catastrophic for them.

No Republican has gotten over 20% of the black vote.

Nobody's gotten over 15%.

If Trump gets 20% of the black vote, the Democratic Party is done forever.

Do you think he has a chance?

Oh, I think he's got a chance to get more.

My next podcast coming out this Tuesday is going to be Donald Trump,

the true first black president.

Because the Democrats have finally done to Donald Trump what they've been doing to black men for 200 years.

What they did to Donald Trump in New York is the Rodney King tape

of

the Democratic Party

coming after white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

Most coups start at the top.

They don't start at the bottom.

We very seldom see a mouth-say-tongue coup where they fight for 20 years.

Right.

You know, usually they go and shoot in the head they shoot them and then take over like they're doing in Africa right now, right?

They go to the top and just kill him and put him in charge.

That's what they're trying to do to Trump.

Trump is not just the leader of the Republican Party, Trump is the leader of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants who these people despise and hate.

They have

an enemy that they're trying to kill, and it is a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

It's not that they dislike him.

The evangelicals and the they despise them.

If you put that group

and you talk about what they agree with and about what the Democrats and liberals agree with, polar opposites, direct polar opposites.

And they know that Trump is the leader of that crew, that crowd.

That crowd is his basis.

That crowd is where he gets all of his power.

And they know that if they take out Trump, who's going to take his place?

Who can walk up right now?

if Donald Trump is destroyed in the Republican Party and says, and have that crowd come behind him like they've come behind Trump.

I don't think the person exists.

And they know that.

And so this was

how the Democratic Party does a coup.

They don't use bullets.

They use the justice system.

I mean, look at who they locked.

They locked up Manafort.

They locked up,

they're trying to get

Bannon now.

They locked up his

trade guy with China.

I forget his name.

Peter Navarro.

Yeah, Peter Navarro.

They got Navarro locked up now.

Now they got Trump.

I mean, people don't see what this is.

When's the last time you saw somebody go to jail for contempt of Congress?

How come Eric Holder's not in jail?

Or Hunter Biden.

Yeah.

Batten is going to jail.

I know.

Navarro's in jail.

Trump's the first person in the history of the country they're ever tried for what he tried him for.

Oh, yeah, they coming.

And what they're doing is shooting across the bow to see how we respond to it.

Because if we don't respond to it, they're going to keep doing it.

And right now, the people are responding in a way that they didn't expect.

They see it.

What's the old poem?

They came for

the labor unionists.

I said nothing.

I said nothing.

And they came for the soldiers.

I said something.

And they came for the Jews.

And I said nothing.

And they came for me.

There's no one to speak for me.

And that's why you and I are speaking out and telling people, whether you like Trump or not, is irrelevant at this time.

They're coming.

And they're not going to stop.

Because evil people and crazy people don't know how to stop.

They don't stop until everybody's dead.

If history tells us nothing, it tells us that.

Adolf Hitler went until Germany was destroyed.

Mussolini did the same.

The crazy yogos in Japan did the same.

They kept going until the nation was destroyed.

These people have taken abortion from Roe B.

Wade all the way to nine-month abortion.

Now they're in perinatal abortion.

You hear about that in California?

No.

They're voting for an abortion bill that will kill a child 28 days after it's born.

Yes, it's in the house in California.

Perinatal.

After birth.

Why?

Because we, our argument was solid with them.

Well, when does life begin?

We try to kick in their butts.

It begins at conception.

You're okay.

Well, we can kill them in three months.

Well, what about one?

Well, what about five months?

Well, okay.

Well, okay, you're right.

We'll take it to the ninth month then.

Well, if you can take it to the the ninth month, why not after?

You're giving us permission to do that.

You've given us permission to commit murder.

Let's do it.

It's logical, isn't it?

Why not?

Our logic is winning out, Tucker, and they're telling us, yes, you're right.

We can kill them anytime we want to.

The same thing with our logic when it came down to homosexuality and all this kind of stuff.

They talk about, oh, no people are born gay.

But then they did the Human Genome Project, right?

Didn't find no gay gene.

They did the twin study.

And

when one twin was gay, the other twin was gay only about maybe 20, 25% of the time.

So it couldn't be in the DNA.

You see what I'm talking about?

So they start saying, no, no, it is a choice.

You're right.

But we've gotten the law passed now.

They don't try to argue that any longer.

It's irrelevant.

The law's passed.

And right now, since states can now

do whatever they want to do when it comes down to abortion, hell, I guess it's just a matter of legalism, isn't it?

Like Drad Scott.

Drant Scott is not a man that a white man needs to have no rights and a white man needs to adhere to.

So you're telling, so you've told us with abortion, and this has always been amazing to me.

I remember when Scott Peterson killed his wife, Lacey.

Yes.

You remember he's charged with two murders, isn't he?

Yes.

How is that?

When the baby wasn't born yet?

How is that?

Because everybody knows that.

Everybody knows.

It's a person, of course.

Everybody knows.

But we have said that the mother has a right to kill that child whenever she chooses.

So if it's a person here, it's a person,

it's a person here.

They know it.

But we've allowed that legalism.

We've allowed it to stay.

And now we're going to have to deal with it.

So, I mean, it's human sacrifice.

I think it's pretty obvious.

This is a religious right.

Yes.

But at some point, you know, our people are punished

for killing, for example for sin our nation's punished

I think they are by God and I don't and I don't think it's God punishing them I think that what happens is he takes his hands off

and

you become a virtuous a virtuous people and you start killing yourselves

it was interesting the

The commandment that says, honor thy father and thy mother, so your days will be long on this earth.

And people always think that that means that God will punish you for not obeying your father and your mother.

No, it is a harbinger.

It tells you the type of person that you are.

And my dad would say, if you do not honor and obey me, you won't honor and obey the police.

You'll go outside this house and you'll disrespect the wrong person.

And that wrong person is going to bust a cap in your head.

So when you are disrespectful to your parents, it tells the type of spirit you have in you, an arrogant, prideful, disrespectful spirit.

That's right.

And that's going to get you in trouble outside of the house.

And the people outside of the house don't love you like your mom and daddy do.

And somebody's going to either lock you up or put you in jail or kill you.

That means you have no respect for yourself.

So you're going to be doing dope and drugs.

You're going to be out there fighting and acting a fool.

So it's a harbinger.

So when people kill their own children,

you know, you tell them that you can kill them inside the womb.

Well, why do you, well, that means you can kill them outside of it too.

So what do you think the murder rates are high in the black community?

There's no virtue in life.

You told them you can kill them inside the womb.

So why can't I kill them outside the womb?

So now we're killing one another.

And now the nation is dying.

And you don't have any respect for life.

You have no respect for anything else because that's the most important thing.

Our Bible tells us,

I lay before you blessings and curses, life and death.

Choose life

so that you and your children shall live.

Choose life.

We're choosing death.

Democratic Party is a death cult.

They know what they're doing.

You take away the rights of people to keep and bear arms in a war zone,

knowing that the police in Detroit is two hours away

and the criminals know that.

You have people riding down the dangerous highways and tell them they can't be armed and everybody on and every crook on that highway knows that.

So if they see your car broke down, they know you don't have a gun and they can rob you.

Carjackings in D.C., why?

Because they can't carry a gun in their car.

Think criminals are stupid?

Why do you think they carjack people in D.C.

like that?

You can't carry a gun in your car in D.C.

Because they're defenseless.

Yes.

And who makes that happen?

They know this.

What did Michael Belli said?

He said that there is no relationship between there's no relationship between an armed and a disarmed man.

Armed man has all the power.

All of it.

And when you disarm a person, he's no longer free.

They know this.

This is why when the British came here, And I was in Boston, I was at Lexington Green, where they confronted them and they said, Carlisle, give up your arms.

They said, come take them.

They came and disarmed them.

Because they knew that

they could not subdue an armed population.

They know once they get our guns, we have to capitulate to what they say.

And wherever you find a large group of black people,

what do they do?

Take the guns away.

Now, where did this start?

Right at the end of the Civil War.

Where they wanted to make sure that the freedmen could be subdued and controlled.

So they put out black codes that said black men could not have guns.

And so guess who you go out there to start preaching this foolishness?

Black preacher, black politician, black civil rights leader.

Remember those two young black men in Nashville who got kicked out of the house because they were protesting

and they went and went one in Memphis, one in Nashville, and they got re-elected.

But what were they protesting?

Gun legislation.

To allow people to be able to more freely have their guns.

They were protesting that.

They didn't want guns in the black community with all the crime.

So you got people out there screaming,

yeah, the police are racist.

The police are racist.

The police are racist.

And they're hot and black man.

What is your remedy?

Well, let's turn our guns over to them.

I said, why don't you just be expeditious and blow your own damn brains out?

Just shoot yourself.

I'm going to give the police running after me, chasing me to kill me.

And I'm like, oh, wait, officer, you know, take my gun.

So the cops are racist and they should be the only only people allowed.

Whereas logically, if the cops are racist and they got firearms, you should have 10 guns on you

because I know that this is racist cop out there trying to kill me.

It's illogical.

It's stupid.

It's insane.

Government is like children.

They'll take as much power as you let them have.

And you have to tell government no further.

Because we know you're going to start intruding on our rights.

And we're not going to allow that.

How do we get you off of us?

We will kill you.

do you understand that okay no further all right then what did jefferson said he said the tree of the tree of liberty must be fertilized what with the blood of tyrants and patriots it's their natural manure

you got to be willing to you and this is where you know we've had this big problem in the black community we've never been willing never been willing to kill for our freedom we've been willing to die Let me make something absolutely positively clear.

I have no interest in dying for my freedom.

I have every interest in killing any joke that come to try to take it.

No interest in dying.

None.

I love New Hampshire.

I was up there a couple of weeks ago and I said, I love you guys' model, live free or die.

I'd like to change one word in that.

It's live free or kill.

No interest in dying for my freedom.

And we always had our interest in dying for the freedom.

I said, you can count me out on Elven player.

Ms.

Elsin ain't dying for nobody's freedom.

And

we talk about that.

Well, I was going on the front lawn and I'll die.

Hell, not me.

What a gun at, man.

We'll go out there and fight somebody.

You talking, I ain't gonna get it.

I remember Sonny Liston said something so funny.

Sonny Liston, they wanted Sonny to get in.

He was champion of the world before he fought Lee, right?

Here in Maine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they wanted Sonny to get involved in the civil rights movement.

You know, and Sonny saw him down there getting jumped on by police and getting beat and dogs and stuff jumped on.

Sonny said, I ain't going to get involved and all they're going to do is take punches.

Sonny said, I have no interest in going down there catching punches, okay?

Now, if you want to go down there and fight, I'm your man.

But you think I'm going to let somebody beat the hell out of me?

So he was more on the Malcolm X side.

Yeah, man.

Well, yo, Sonny was knocking out white man.

Yeah.

He didn't see himself as inferior to nobody.

Sonny was rich.

Sonny had money.

Sonny said, I'd advise you to to do what I did: stand up for your freedom.

Man, I'm not, I can't go down there and make you a free man.

Look, Tucker, okay, Civil War starts, right?

White men from up north and black men come down and fight to free the slaves, okay?

War is over with.

So, Freedmen's Bureau's down there, Ku Klux Klan's down there.

We send federal troops down south, the Union Army does, stay there for years, 12 years, Reconstruction, okay, trying to protect black men.

Now, think about this: 12 years.

Then, in the election of 1876, Rutherford B.

Hayes against Tilden.

The whole South goes Democrat.

Now, Rutherford B.

Hayes is a governor of Ohio.

Dude got shot five times as a general

in the Civil War trying to free black folks.

And when he just get a chance to vote for him, they folks were Democrat.

So they sat there and they found out that there was no kind of shenanigans behind the vote and everything.

You know, South Carolina had 101% of its registered voters vote.

Which is a lot.

Yeah, you know.

And so, of course, they say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

This was cheated.

We're going to pull back the Electoral Vote College vote to South Carolina and Gilman Hayes.

Anyway, South Carolina said, we're going to start the Civil War again if you do that.

So they sat down and said, you know what?

We fought the Civil War for five years.

Probably in today's money, trillions of dollars.

600,000.

of our troops have been maimed or killed, freeing these slaves, these black folks down here.

And they have re-elected the Democratic Party who had them enslaved.

If you want to be with your master,

be with him.

Peace out.

And they pulled the troops out.

And then they say what?

We know the old refrain.

White intimidation

came in and subdued the black population.

and beat them down for years, the races, and wouldn't let them vote.

There were three times more black men than white men in South Carolina.

There were two times more in Mississippi.

It was half and half in Louisiana, in Alabama, in Georgia, and in Virginia.

At the beginning of the Civil War, there were 4.5 million whites.

There were 4 million blacks.

We had about 400,000

white men that died in the Civil War.

So by the time the war was over with, the best and the strongest.

of the South's men were dead.

Or, you know, arm cut off, leg cut off.

And the black slave population stayed the same.

And black men wouldn't fight.

Most wouldn't fight.

They wouldn't defend their families.

They wouldn't defend their property.

They were subjugated.

And this is why I always tell people, they can get mad at me.

I don't care.

Slavery, just like freedom, is a choice.

Frederick Douglass was a slave.

He was sent to a slave breaker because he laundering.

He wouldn't do what he was told to do.

He was 16 years old.

This slave breaker's name was Covey.

Frederick writes about him.

He was whooping Frederick and beating him.

And Colbey hit Frederick one too many times.

And Frederick beat the hell out of Covey.

Good for him.

And Covey respected him.

And Frederick Douglass said, he found out, he said, he says, power gives up nothing without demand.

He said, a weak man.

can never have power.

He said, he will be pitied for a time, but until the power rises up in him, he will never be respected.

And that's when Frederick Douglass became Frederick Douglass.

He left, got his freedom, and became who he was.

Harry Tubman remembered the same thing.

100,000 black people escaped

during slavery.

Another 100,000 escaped during the Underground Railroad.

If it was impossible and wasn't a choice, how did they do it?

How did they choose?

Harry Tubman would go and get black people and say, come on, let's go to freedom.

They say, no, you chose.

Then they want to talk about some reparations.

Ain't that that some nerve?

The very Union Army, who had 600,000 soldiers almost die to free you, you're going to now sue for having you enslaved.

If you want your reparations, go to Antietam.

Go to Sharpsburg.

Go to Vicksburg.

Go to Gettysburg.

Go, you know, these white boys died and these black soldiers died.

The Massachusetts 54th.

The Homestead Act comes out in 1866, giving any able-bodied man, black men too,

the right to take 150 acres of land out west if you're willing to tell it.

Less than 5,000 black men joined up for it and stayed on the plantation.

And you're going to tell me slavery is not a choice?

George Washington says, American Revolution, if you fight, you're free.

The British said the same thing.

Some came and fought, others showed the stay on the plantation.

Choice.

War of 1812, same thing.

Some fought, some stayed.

Choice.

Mexican war, same thing.

Some fought, some stayed.

Choice.

Civil War, Mancipation Proclamation, come fight.

Less than 1% join the Union Army down south.

Choice.

And then you got the nerve to ask for some reparations

when you turn them down after they offered free land?

Because a bunch of Democrats are going to be lying to you.

Let me tell you something straight.

Everybody listen to me.

You ain't going to get that money.

You can kiss it goodbye.

Some study talking about it's going to be $27 trillion for America to pay reparations.

Well, Tucker, there's a problem with that.

I think that the GDP of America is only like maybe $23 trillion.

And with all of everything America made last year, you're not going to get it.

And here's the

greatest reason that you're not going to get it.

Barack Obama became president in 2000.

He won in 2007, became president in 2008.

You remember this well because he had a filibuster approved majority in the House and the Senate.

Remember, he had 58 Democrats and two Independents caucusing with him.

That was filibuster-proof.

The culture was done.

And that's how they got Obamacare passed, right?

Daniel Losi got it through the House, and then they had the 60 votes in the Senate.

And you know how hard it is to get 60 votes for one party in the Senate.

I can't remember the last time that ever happened.

Brock had it.

How many times did reparations come up?

Approximately zero.

Approximately in that range.

Yes.

Never came up.

Never came.

Could have passed it easy, couldn't he?

Never came up.

You will never get it.

It's Lucy moving the football, Charlie Brown.

It's the carrot in front of the old mule making him walk.

You will never, ever get it.

And when I hear these people lying to these people, I'm not very well educated,

telling them about this.

What did

the old crow in

Animal Farm flew around telling people about

all the things they were going to get?

What do you call it?

Honey and all this kind of stuff, you know?

And the people were working, believing it.

It's just a communist,

it's part of what they do.

It's how they work.

They give you these false idols to pray to.

They have the statues of Lenin

and stalling all over the Soviet Union like they do King here in America, right, in the black community, streets and stuff named after him to make people believe that his ideology was so correct.

And the guy wasn't apostate.

Everything he talked about failed.

So I guess my last question is you've laid out the case, I think, compellingly,

that the Democratic Party has oppressed, well, the country, but black people in particular for a couple hundred years.

So what is the thinking of people who still...

So you're saying you think the Republican this year could get over 20%.

Yeah,

it's still a lot of people voting Democrat.

It is.

It is.

Why?

Social pressure.

How intense is the social pressure?

Oh, you can be ostracized.

Actually?

Yeah, you have to be able to explain yourself very, very well.

Black people that can explain themselves well, like I do, I have no problem.

But why would you, why are you against the, why are you against the Democratic Party?

You've seen myself.

They castrate little boys and call them little girls.

These people vote for candidates that say they're going to make it legal for demented men to go into the bathroom and watch your wife and your daughter urinate.

You know, I look at a black man and say, did you know what I just said to you?

You're going to vote for a man that's going to let a demented man

go into the bathroom with your wife and your daughter.

And watch them use the bathroom.

Hell, I don't do that.

I don't either.

And you're gonna let some weirdo off the street walk in the bathroom with your wife and your daughter and you're gonna sit back and laugh about it

hell man this ain't funny what type of man are you

he said who does it the democratic party oh you ain't been paying attention huh then you educate him he sits back and said

and he's convicted

you ever heard a drag queen story out no

You haven't heard a drag queen story?

No, what is it?

Show it to him.

What's going on?

They're bringing men in dresses into school and shaking their behinds in your son's face, telling him that it's all right for him to be that way.

What?

The Democrat Party is behind this.

Oh, man, no, they ain't.

Show it to them.

Oh, man, I didn't know.

Who's going to tell them this, Tucker?

How are they here without a preacher, right?

Is the black preacher telling them?

No.

Is the black hawkers telling them?

No.

Is the NAACP telling them?

No.

They're all in on it.

So what are they going to do?

They're going to come back to the black community.

We're going to get you free stuff.

And we hate white people.

Both for us.

White man is your enemy.

The reason why you have nothing is because of him.

It's not us.

It's him.

It's him.

It's scapegoating.

All.

You've seen Sean enjoy reading on MSM.

Oh, yeah.

See?

It's all white Americans.

It's white supremacy.

It's always that.

Systemic racism, all of that.

You know, systemic racism.

Hell, they control all the systems.

They control the schools.

They control control the police.

They control the dope game.

They control, they own every whole house, every prostitute house, every failing school.

They control the judges.

They control the juries.

They control it all, the police forces.

But they have this ability to deflect because there's nobody to give the other side of the narrative.

That's what makes me so dangerous.

I give the other side.

I don't fear them.

My Bible tells me 365 times in it to fear not for every day of the year.

How can I fear a man that wants to walk around with high heels on in a dress?

Scared of him.

What?

How do you walk around being afraid of a man that wants to walk into a woman's bathroom and watch a children urinate?

Sick bastard.

I mean, that's crazy.

Well, I believe I'm a woman.

I don't care.

You go in the bathroom with my daughter, I'm going to beat the living hell out of you right here, right now.

Not today, bro.

You better wait.

Wait.

And then you look at a man and say, you're going to vote for a party that allows such a thing.

We need to make it as simple as that.

And I used to be a time, and you'll not remember this, man.

If you caught a man posted up watching women use the bathroom, hell, they put him in the crazy house.

Of course.

Well, he'd be beaten by the dads.

Yeah, and then the police will come and whoop him some more.

And the judge will put him in the crazy house.

Now, they'll whoop the dad oh yeah put the dad in jail you better not say a word let this man watch your wife and your child urinate

and you have men to sit around and let that happen it's disgusting it's disgusting we're gonna allow these people to come in men in dresses and and confuse your children like this

the call is to them first

Are you a man?

Are you not?

Now, you know, the ones that say they're not men, that's cool.

Going about your way.

But there are a lot of them that still consider themselves men.

And those are the ones that you reach.

Because black men are really,

they're really making a turn.

I've noticed.

Yes.

Not black women.

No, but the Democratic Party is their husband.

Is that what that is?

Oh, yeah.

Because I see the numbers and it's people say the black vote is changing.

No, black men are changing.

Yeah, black men are changing big.

Do you see the same?

Yes, yes, yes.

I agree.

You know, there's no one in America more the cheese mode than black men.

At least they try to act like it, right?

Yeah.

And you have to remind them of that.

And

the

black women are protected by government.

You know, they can put restraining orders on men for anything.

They can take their children away and make them pay child support to take their sons away.

That's the game that they play.

They use government to come in.

and try to castrate their husbands and try to castrate their boyfriends.

And a man can say, I'll take my son.

I'll raise him.

I'll take care of him.

No, I'll keep him and I want you to pay me.

And

the judges, nine times out of ten, will say, Yes, she's right, pay her, and let her raise your son.

And you can see him four times out of the month.

And then these boys are raised confused.

But again,

they know this.

What did Pharaoh say when

he found out that the children of Israel were getting too numerous in Goshen?

He went to the midwives and said, If you see a girl child, let them live.

If you see a boy child, kill him,

Kill him.

Kill the boy child.

There was a book out that says, Conspiracy to destroy black boys.

There was a conspiracy.

There was a great book out that said, Conspiracy to destroy boys in America.

It was done about 20, 30 years ago.

They warning people that this society is being settled from the feminists and whatnot to take men out, to feminize men.

The LGBTQ movement, same thing.

Feminization of men.

Confusing them.

You know, Boy Scouts, look at what they've done.

Tucker?

They don't even call them Boy Scouts any longer.

They didn't mess with the Girl Scouts, did they?

We got to take the Boy Scouts out.

The man is the problem.

Our Bible says Jesus gave the parable,

if a robber is going to come into a home, he first must bind the strong man.

He has to bind the strong man before, but if he doesn't bind the strong man, the strong man will wait and will not allow his house to be shaken up.

They have to bind the strong man, especially the American strong man.

The American strong man, it was something nobody had ever seen before.

He was something that the world had never witnessed before.

I mean, when the Americans came,

it was over.

It was wild earth walking in.

It stops now.

When those boys went,

invaded France or Normandy, war was over in six months.

A year was done.

The Boy Scouts got the Hitler youth, beat them down.

When the Americans came, it stopped.

We used to take democracy and morality

and meritocracy and capitalism.

The whole world wanted to be us.

Now look at what we're pushing all over the world.

Kill your children.

Let your men wear dresses.

Push God out of the public square.

Climate change.

Control the whole economy.

They went down to Africa and the Congo.

These people about starved to death.

They found all this oil down there.

And then the UN going to say, well, we don't want you to go dig it up because you're going to release a carbon bomb in the

what?

And we're about to die over here, man.

You guys digging up everything you want to dig up.

And then you're going to tell us that we can't dig up our natural resources because it might release a carbon bomb?

And these people living in huts, Tucker.

No running water.

And they actually went down there and told these people, we don't want you.

This is how crazy they are.

And it's like the Emperor's New Clothes, right?

Somebody got to call you out and say, little boy said, he's naked.

And everybody else said, oh, he is.

We have to start calling these people crazy.

We entertain them too much by acting like that they have some type of moral equivalency with us.

You have no moral equivalency with me.

You are insane.

I'm not going to argue with you about it.

You are not a woman.

I'm not going to call you a woman.

If you try to make me call you a woman, I'm going to knock you out.

So go on about your business and leave me alone now.

Go on.

Don't come around my children.

You know, this is a great line from the movie.

I love Gladiator, but he was down there talking to the boys getting ready to fight.

And he said, your father, he said,

they allow you to watch the games.

He was concerned.

And the boy said,

They said make me strong.

He said, what does your father say?

He said, my father's dead.

But that's that's the question, isn't it?

What does your father say?

Yeah.

He didn't tell him what to do.

He asked him, what does your father say?

I always do that when a child, when someone young asks me about apologies, I said, what does your father say?

And when he tells me, that's what you do.

And when you get to, and if I disagree, I said, when you get to be 18 years old, look me up, we'll talk.

Right now, you do what your father says.

All right?

I don't want to go against his father.

That's right.

If I talk to his father, I'll talk to him.

But I won't talk to the father's son without the father's permission.

I'm not going to try to corrupt his son against his belief system ever.

What does your father say?

Oh, these people don't care.

They'll tell you in public education that these are their children.

They actually say that.

These are our children.

We are going to teach them to think for themselves, not think like you.

The audacity.

And we tolerate it.

My eight-year-old is going to think for himself.

You're going to turn him away from my way of thinking, if necessary?

Well, okay, then that's fine.

It's ridiculous.

Yes.

But we've allowed this.

It's an act of war against your family.

It is.

And they've done it.

We've tolerated it for too long.

It all came from the civil rights movement.

This thing has to be pulled up root and stern, but first it has to be, it has to be,

we have to

expose it to people.

It's almost like what, you know, it's a bad example, but people get it.

It's almost like what they had to do with Nazism.

They had to expose it to people.

They say, You see, now you know how terrible this stuff is, right?

You didn't know it was about killing Jews, did you?

No, we didn't know.

Okay, well, you say you didn't, but you see what's going on and it destroys you.

It's the same thing that we're finding out with communism, right?

People found out that it was just a horrible system.

You know, the gulags and the murders, and when they came out and said, Stalin was murdering and killing people.

Well, yeah, you made him a tyrant.

And he had no checks and balances.

And that's what they do when they have no checks and balances.

They kill people.

And so you look at this system

A system devoid of morality and God?

How can you have moral law without a moral lawgiver?

And as I've told a bunch of liberals, and I hope they listen to me, all you liberals out there that say you hate Christianity and Jesus Christ,

if you want some advice, you better let that slip.

Better leave that alone.

Because I know some brothers.

that if Jesus Christ wasn't holding their hands back, they kill every last one of these liberals.

For fun.

fun.

I know some brothers that were so-called killers that found Christ, and they still got it in them,

but they've controlled it.

If these people ever find or believe that Jesus Christ does not exist,

these little liberals that don't want to have guns, you think they're carjacking them now,

they're going to kill them all.

They'll kill them all.

So my advice to them is you better leave that stuff alone.

You better start pushing Jesus Christ as hard as you can to these young men.

Because if you're not,

they're all dead men.

Cursing Christianity is like cursing the roof that protects you from the storm.

It protects them.

That's right.

Why are they so very...

And they're against it.

Love your neighbor.

Don't lie.

Don't steal.

Don't kill.

Don't covet what your neighbor had.

Hate it.

Right now in,

I think it's Texas.

Read a story this morning, Texas or Florida.

They want to get rid of some corrective because it's too Christian.

They don't want the children to learn it.

That's their reason.

It's too Christian.

And it all started from this apostate movement that went to government and didn't say,

These are our white brothers and sisters in Christ.

Some of them have been misled.

We are not misled.

We will teach them by our example.

We will love them irregardless.

We will help them whenever we can.

But this is a family fight between us and them.

They say they're Christian.

We're Christian.

We're going to teach them how we're supposed to love one another, but that is not the government's job.

No.

The government's job is to try to make us love each other in peace and brotherhood and all that kind of stuff.

Their job is to make the trains run on time.

And if one of us assaults one another, Have a trial and put them in jail.

But the reasons why we do it is not, they're not, just makes me concerned about that.

Of course, you know, to love one another, have brotherhood and fellowship.

Yeah, that's aspirational.

But it's not the government's job.

No, it's not.

It's the job of churches, mosques, synagogues, families, community centers.

But the government is not supposed to be involved in that.

Well, how are they going to do it?

Tucker put a gun on you.

You're going to love him.

What are they going to do?

Well, it hasn't worked.

It doesn't work.

It never works.

It never works.

We've seen governments dissolve, and then what happens?

The

fractions of society that hated each other before it started fighting again what happened in Serbia

Yugoslavia yeah they just started fighting again they thought they're killed 60 70 years after start fighting kill each other

we saw it in

Rwanda with the Tutsis and the Hutus just started killing one another because government was the only thing that was separating them from the fight

and it's it's Novocaine You think things are going well and it's not.

The only thing that made America, and you know about about Christianity, how it moved the abolitionist movement.

Of course.

The Republican Party didn't come from anywhere.

It were abolitionists training people up north that put the whole party together.

And then they got behind the Republican Party and said, we want slavery to end it.

And it was a Christian movement

where segregation of churches didn't even exist.

Blacks and whites put the church together, fellowship together, love one another.

And if we can just come back to that basic concept again, but again,

the primary goal, the thing that fears them, that makes them most afraid is to see what you and I are doing right here.

A black man and a white man talking and fellowship and caring about one another as friends.

They can't stand that.

Well, I got to say, I mean, we're from very, very, very different worlds, but I can't, I'm going to be thinking about this conversation for a long time.

But now,

looking back on the last few hours, I don't think I disagree with a single word.

So that tells you something right there.

It scares them to death to see that two people like you and I, they might call you a crazy radical and you whatever they might call you yeah but we can sit back and is that one thing you can't say we're racist because we're racist we'd be fighting right there well that's no no i mean i i i can say you you speak for me well thank you brother thank you man it's always a pleasure anytime you want to sit down and have a conversation with me i'm i'm here you've you've you've blown my mind you're a good friend tucker thank you brother all right

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