Tim Dillon: Disney, Boomers, and the Creepy Corporations that Pretend to Love You

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Speaker 6 Here's the latest. Do you have strong feelings about Disney?

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 I do.

Speaker 6 It's terrible. You think Disney's terrible? I think it's become terrible.
I kind of agree with that, but I can't quite articulate why. Well, it's lazy.
Disney's lazy?

Speaker 6 It's the only, it's the, you know, it's like, you know, when people take their kids a vacation there, it's like, I understand it, but there's other places to go that are real, that have actual history.

Speaker 6 You could teach your kids about the country. You could teach them about anything.
You could teach them about things that have actually happened.

Speaker 6 I don't think Disney World is a terrible place to go, but you shouldn't be doing it every year. There's people that go every year.
There's people that go without children. There's people that go

Speaker 6 because people are sick. I mean, there's this whole, you know, there's this whole

Speaker 6 group of Disney adults, people that really enjoy Disney World. They meet their wives at Disney World.

Speaker 6 They meet their husbands at Disney World, and that yet somehow then not procreate uh and they love it and they say they remain children forever and which i don't think is the goal of life um and yeah i just think it's uh you know it's it's uh upsetting when i see it so it's like it's like an emotional retardation that gets you yeah you you're looking at people that are stunted um they're they're unable for whatever reason to access other there's a lot of art in america there's you know a lot of literature there's a lot of film it's not all cartoons It's not all Disney.

Speaker 6 Not to take anything away from, you know, a lot of the great Disney classics, but it's supposed to be the beginning of your journey and not the whole thing.

Speaker 6 You know what I mean? Like the little mermaid is supposed to start you off, but then you go and find other things.

Speaker 6 And what's terribly depressing to me or disturbing or both is that you have people that are still as into it. as they were when they were five, except they're 40.
I think that's a big problem.

Speaker 6 And it's not cheap either. I mean, I've never been.
No, it's hot. It's very hot and it's not cheap.
And it's, um,

Speaker 6 they have all these meal plans now that they offer people, which is like these terrible, you know, kind of gross food that they'll give you throughout the day.

Speaker 6 You know, if you pay like an all-inclusive fee, someone will go and put a churro in your mouth every half hour.

Speaker 6 And then you have, you know, you know, it's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of Disney

Speaker 6 like people out there talking about how to do the parks. There are these people

Speaker 6 called plus-size people that are now trying to review Disney rides to see if they fit in them.

Speaker 6 There are people that

Speaker 6 have YouTube videos dedicated to the type of shoes you have to wear at Disney World because there's a lot of walking. There's people that go, I love Disney World, but I refuse to walk.

Speaker 6 Is there a way can I get

Speaker 6 so? I mean,

Speaker 6 it's become very big with the

Speaker 6 maybe voluntarily disabled community where you have

Speaker 6 is anyone voluntarily disabled? It seems to be. We have a few people.
I mean, I'm not an Olympic swimmer.

Speaker 6 I'm not going out there and, you know, shitting on people, but I'm saying there are people that seem more excited about the

Speaker 6 scooters and the wheelchairs and everything like that. And a lot of them love Disney World.
What's the connection? Just societal collapse?

Speaker 6 Well, societal collapse is, I think, the big connection. But there's something about

Speaker 6 being a child forever and a place that tells you you should be a child forever and that it is good to have the qualities of a child forever. So it's like a diaper fetish.
It's kind of a diaper fetish.

Speaker 6 It's kind of like there was a woman who in New Hampshire wanted to open a diaper spa where adults would wear diapers because they have some type of fetish where they like to be in diapers.

Speaker 6 And this woman was trying to open it in this tiny New Hampshire town. And many people in the town got mad at her.
You know, it's very hard to open a small business. And nobody really wanted that.

Speaker 6 And it was a diaper spa. I was for it because I said, if you make the migrants that are coming into this country work at the diaper spa, they'll just go to Europe.

Speaker 6 So I said, we don't need a wall. We just need to like kind of, you know, get everyone over to the diaper spa.

Speaker 6 But I put the kind of modern,

Speaker 6 a lot of the modern Disney World cultural stuff kind of just above the diaper spot, where you have people that are going to this place where they feel like children. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 6 I think you should go for your children. It's an experience for them.
When it becomes about you in any way, I think it's sick.

Speaker 6 But it also seems like kind of important, like this is a measure of something. Yes, I do.
I mean, I think that this is a weird,

Speaker 6 there's a weird obsession

Speaker 6 with,

Speaker 6 you know, this idea that you're like, this is me.

Speaker 6 I have no shame.

Speaker 6 And I'm, you know, there should be things I think that people are ashamed of or they like quietly. Maybe if you love Disney World and you're an adult, you shouldn't announce it to the world.

Speaker 6 I don't need sweatshirts and t-shirts and tank tops and Mickey hats.

Speaker 6 And I don't need to see on your social media how much you adore Disney World, you know, and if you can't fit in a ride at Disney World, just I don't need you to review that on YouTube for everyone.

Speaker 6 Like there is something about keeping some things close to the vest.

Speaker 6 Because they're shameful. Well, because they're certainly not ideal.
And the idea that it's, you know, this is not your best self that you're putting out there.

Speaker 6 And I understand as a comedian, there's a lot of things that we do where we don't put out our best self, you know, but then there are, you know, but we always try to make that funny.

Speaker 6 We make it funny and we make a joke out of it. But there are a lot of people out there now, I feel like, that are forcing the world to accept them in their worst

Speaker 6 iteration, if that makes any sense. Without admitting that that iteration sucks.
Yeah, or without admitting that that iteration, at the very least, needs some work.

Speaker 6 And I think there's a lot of people out there that are just like, hey, this is me. This is it.

Speaker 6 That sounds like giving up. There's a lot of giving up, I think.
Do you feel that around us? People are giving up.

Speaker 6 I think there's a lot of people that don't see a future, and technology has made the world pretty isolating. And I think,

Speaker 6 which is the exact opposite of what it was intended to be. Yes, I write.
You're old enough to remember the promise of technology, which will bring us together.

Speaker 6 Every connection is going to be together, but it seems pretty isolating. And I think a lot of people are out there and they're not,

Speaker 6 they don't see any future that they they are excited about and they don't think they can you know have a family or afford the standard of living that they would want a family to have and yes so i think there are a lot of people out there that that struggle with that for sure and technology is related to that well i think technology has has has certainly it's lessened community and i think physical communities have suffered a little bit because all of the the way that everyone grows up now is pretty is pretty you know flattened everybody's been flattened by technology, meaning everybody's looking at the same things, the same algorithms.

Speaker 6 They're being fed the same stimuli, the same inputs. Whereas when I grew up, you would meet people from different regions of the country and they grew up completely different.
Yes.

Speaker 6 And they had different musical tastes and they had completely different

Speaker 6 histories and cultural influences. And accents.
And accents and everything. And everybody came together.

Speaker 6 And, you know, there was this really interesting cultural diffusion that happened when you met someone from Louisiana and someone from Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 6 Now, I got to be honest with you, I feel like that's less true.

Speaker 6 I feel like it's less true because I think everybody's kind of growing up with these same algorithms. They're being fed the same things.

Speaker 6 And when you meet people, they're not as interesting as they once were because you've all kind of had a similar childhood, whether you know it or not, because you've been fed the exact same stimuli over and over again every day on your phone.

Speaker 6 Which, I mean, even leaving aside the potential for like controlling people's brains and making them obedient serfs, which does seem like the point to me,

Speaker 6 it homogenizes everything and makes everyone just sort of flat and boring. It makes everybody boring.

Speaker 6 And it's one of the things that, again, you would think that the great promise of technology would be the exact opposite, which is that everybody was going to be more unique or more interesting.

Speaker 6 But that hasn't happened.

Speaker 6 Well, I sort of noticed this with the early Apple ads. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And the idea behind the personal computer was this is your window into the world, but it's also a way to broadcast your own unique qualities and you're you, you're distinct from everyone else.

Speaker 6 And then you look at the Apple store and everyone's dressed exactly the same. They have the same nose ring, the same t-shirt.
Yeah. The

Speaker 6 store to me just screamed, obey. Right.
Well, that's what it seems like. Yeah.
There seems to be a comfort in

Speaker 6 that. type of making everything very clean and homogenized.
Yes.

Speaker 6 Where everybody is kind of, you know, expected to have the same value system and that value system is kind of being given to them i was really struck last night at the dinner that we had yeah by how many people you know and by how many places you are yeah well all the time like all the time yeah just on tour but like you seem to be talking to people yeah and that was the opposite of the life i thought comedians lived where you're sort of alone online in your hotel room well how do you do that yeah well i'm i i can't speak for all comedians, but I know a lot of us do travel a lot.

Speaker 6 A lot of us talk to people. I've always just been very curious about the world.

Speaker 6 So I'm incredibly curious about why things are the way they are, why certain people and certain ideas become popular, why certain things seem to be inevitable,

Speaker 6 how the society is set up, the things that we know, the things we don't know, the kind of hidden, you know, power structures that we start to realize how enduring they are as we get older.

Speaker 6 You don't realize that when you're young, everything when you're young seems to be, you know, I remember watching Saturday Night Live as a kid, which was a hilarious show that I loved.

Speaker 6 And it was Bush and Gore, and it was very funny. And it was these two guys.

Speaker 6 And, you know, we had Will Farrell and I forgot, I think Daryl Hammond did Al Gore, and it was really funny. And you thought that was what the world was.

Speaker 6 It was these just, we have two people, they have opposing ideas. Yes.
We all go vote. And then one of those people becomes the president for four years.

Speaker 6 And then that person enacts an agenda that that people either disagree with or agree with, you know, and that person has varying degrees of success, and then they're judged four years later.

Speaker 6 That's what everyone thought. I think my understanding now of this country is so much deeper and more complex and more interesting than it,

Speaker 6 you know, originally was, because now I believe that those things are only part of the larger story of how the country actually operates.

Speaker 6 What changed your view? Like, when was the moment when you realized that's not actually what's happening?

Speaker 6 I was, I read a book called Family of Secrets, which was an interesting book by a guy named Russ Baker, and he wrote about the Bush family. And it was about,

Speaker 6 you know, basically a lot of these events from JFK to Watergate that he had kind of this alternate understanding of how these events had happened.

Speaker 6 And he had gone and interviewed lots of people and he had researched. I think the book took him about five years.
And

Speaker 6 it came out in, in, I think, 2007 or 2009, maybe. And I was reading it.
I was in the mortgage business and it had fallen apart and there was nothing to do.

Speaker 6 So we'd all sit in our offices and kind of fuck off because it was nothing to do. So I was reading this book and it was

Speaker 6 Barnes and Noble. You know, it was just a, it was a really, yeah, it was just a book.
On your own. Yeah, just on my own.
And me and a friend were reading it and we each got them.

Speaker 6 And I was reading it and I started to analyze things in a way that I never had before. And basically, I was, it was, it was kind of this light that went off in my head.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, well, what if everyone's lying? You know, what if everyone's not telling the truth? What would it look like then?

Speaker 6 What would it look like if everyone was just making things up or telling you what you wanted to hear? And I mean, it was like, you know, it really is an interesting way to look at things.

Speaker 6 It's a bit cynical. But when you start looking at all these things, you go, it doesn't even make sense.
It doesn't make sense that you'd have a country where you'd have all these billionaires.

Speaker 6 and then they would be told what to do by these people in Congress that have no money. And some of them are, you know, relatively uneducated.

Speaker 6 And you have all these billionaires that are, you know, controlling large sectors of the economy, but they're just going to take edicts from like the guy, the local milkman that ran for Congress in Georgia.

Speaker 6 And he's going to tell those guys what to do. That never made sense to me.

Speaker 6 And it also never made sense to me that when I watched that since I was a kid, you know, I'd watch these debates and they were almost identical to the ones on TV.

Speaker 6 They were kind of silly and they were, you know, you'd have these two guys and Bush wasn't a great speaker and Gore was kind of insufferable. And they did these characters really well.

Speaker 6 But I'm like, it's so weird that a comedy show is almost identical to the actual world that we live in. I'm like, there's no way that that's the only level of power in the country.

Speaker 6 There's very little chance that that's how it is.

Speaker 6 And then, you know, you start reading, you read books like The Devil's Chessboard by David Tablet about the creation of the national security state, about the Dulles brothers and how influential they were.

Speaker 6 And you, you read all these books. He founded salon.com and stuff like that, and then wrote that book.
It was completely, you know, removed from polite society.

Speaker 6 But you read all these books and you get interested in it. It was just very interesting to me.
You know, I was an actor as a little kid. And I, you know, what kind of actor?

Speaker 6 You know, not a successful one, but my parents would like, you know, take me into the city for auditions.

Speaker 6 I wouldn't get anything because I was, you know, I was a cute little kid, but I had like a gravelly voice and I, it just didn't work, right? Oh, you didn't even smoke and you talk like that?

Speaker 6 They knew it was coming. My body knew I was going to start.

Speaker 6 So they prepared, but I realized how acting was interesting because in Hollywood, you know, I was really close to getting a job once, but I was four inches too tall.

Speaker 6 And the kid that got it was four inches shorter, and he looked better next to the star of the show. It was Grace Under Fire, Brett Butler.
It was a sitcom.

Speaker 6 And you realize how arbitrary a lot of these decisions are that are made. And when you're a little kid, you become a little cynical because

Speaker 6 you're auditioning for all this stuff and you're looking at the way that, and sometimes like the director's son gets the job.

Speaker 6 And sometimes like, you don't even know why, you know, you didn't get the job. You did a great job.
And

Speaker 6 you're basically, as a young person, you're aware of the, you know, the limits of like certain types of meritocracy where it's like there's stuff behind the scenes happening and I think you know I started to think about politics in that way and it was funny to me it was much funnier did you have anyone to talk to about this friends people that I grew up with that you know might have been into it too you know but it wasn't it was this was pre-2016 Oh yeah, this was like 2009, 10, you know, and it would just seem very funny to me.

Speaker 6 What did you make of 9-11 through that lens? Well, when I was young, I was very supportive of like the Iraq war and George W. Bush, you know, but I was, you know, on cocaine.
And that did that help?

Speaker 6 That helps. It really did.

Speaker 6 It's a patriotic truck,

Speaker 6 to be honest. But I was believing everything that everyone said.

Speaker 6 We were invaded by these people, and we were invaded because they don't have shopping malls in Afghanistan and they don't have McDonald's and they can't get chicken nuggets like I do with my friends.

Speaker 6 They can't smoke pot in the mall. So they all decided to kill us.
Well, that's terrible.

Speaker 6 So we have to go over there and build shopping malls so that these guys can go hang out and you know uh get uh you know whatever you know uh they need so that they're not miserable and all that stuff and i believed it i believed all of it and i was a fervent advocate of that because it made a lot of sense i'm like we've got a good thing they've got a thing that's not too good we have to go and help them and it was this uh this thing where i just believed

Speaker 6 that and I believed in it and I voted for Bush and I thought

Speaker 6 that, you know, my first vote was for Bush. It was the second term and I had friends that went off to Iraq.
I'm like, we got to do this.

Speaker 6 We have to, you know, we can't dishonor their memory by pulling out and doing all this stuff. I really believe that.
I've now completely

Speaker 6 switched. I now see it as a complete disaster, a huge mistake and error.
And as far as 9-11, at that point, I was, you know, believed that it was exactly how they said it happened.

Speaker 6 And now, you know, quite frankly, I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 6 it seems improbable that all of these things happened the way that they said that they happened.

Speaker 6 I don't know what exactly happened and people have attacked me for saying that, you know, because I just, I question now more than I did.

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Speaker 1 You will not regret it.

Speaker 6 Wait, you've been attacked for admitting that you're agnostic on it? Yeah, people will call you names and, you know, try to use that as some type of, and you know about this, people calling you names.

Speaker 6 When you say, yeah, I don't really know what happened on 9-11, they go.

Speaker 6 they try to use that as a pejorative against you and say you're a conspiracy theorist, you're a nut job, you're whatever. And you go, okay.
I mean, those things don't mean that.

Speaker 6 But do you ever think to yourself like anyone who believes like the story at the White House press briefing is a fucking moron? Yes, I think that. And it's funny to me how wrong we are.

Speaker 6 Being wrong is funny. So that's one of the the reasons I became interested in this dimension of power in America is because I actually,

Speaker 6 either you laugh or you cry. And I started to laugh.
And I think how wrong everybody is. So how do you, I mean, your insight, which is really smart,

Speaker 6 that, you know, the former milkman from Georgia is probably not giving orders to the Goligarch. That's right.

Speaker 6 Like, that doesn't actually make any sense. That makes no sense.
Right.

Speaker 6 How do you think things really work? Well, I mean, I think that you have

Speaker 6 a group of people that have a lot of power and a lot of influence. And they probably have different ideas.
They're probably not a monolith. They probably are different religions and races.

Speaker 6 But they're interested in preserving their level of power. I think that becomes their main

Speaker 6 objective. And I think this is the thing that they all kind of relate on, whether they sue each other or dislike each other or have wars with each other in the press.

Speaker 6 And we tend to think that these are blood feuds and these are, and probably some of them are, but at the end of the day, they are all interested in retaining their level of power in American society and all over the world.

Speaker 6 And I think those people operate

Speaker 6 in a lot of different ways, but a huge way I believe that they operate is subverting.

Speaker 6 the democratic process here and all over the world. Meaning like the will of the people cannot get in the way of whatever they want to do.

Speaker 6 So I think they have to disguise that agenda in any way that they can. You know, the new thing now, for example, is,

Speaker 6 which I, you know, this is very, you know, you know what, today I'm, I'm, I'm in a diner and I'm watching, I'm having breakfast and I'm watching, you know, this terrible airstrike in Rafah, this, this, you know, this place I didn't even know existed a month ago, right?

Speaker 6 I'm not like a,

Speaker 6 and this guy's holding up this headless child. It's, it's, it's horrific.
And we're watching it in the diner. And,

Speaker 6 you know, you're watching it. And listen, I think Israel should exist.
I believe they have a right to exist. Anti-Semitism exists, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 I know that it's not all great over there, but you're watching this and then you go, this seems unreal. It seems very extreme.
And then the position of people on the internet

Speaker 6 that are supporting this no matter what without any is, well, do you know how Hamas treats gay people and women?

Speaker 6 And you go, how dumb do I I look? How stupid do I

Speaker 6 look that this is the argument?

Speaker 6 How dumb do I look that you are expecting me to believe that American foreign policy has been about the rights of women?

Speaker 6 And is that why we were in Afghanistan? It had nothing to do with mining rights or lithium-ion or any of that stuff. It has nothing to do with the strategic importance of certain locations.

Speaker 6 It all has to do with teaching girls to read and protecting the gays and protecting gay people and teaching women to read. It's crazy, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 But that emotional appeal works on people, and they go, Well, I guess we have to kill children. Then that baby is homophobic.
Kill it. And you start going, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 6 It doesn't make any sense from a logical standpoint. It makes absolutely no sense.
People can debate about Israel or what we should be doing or giving them or funding. Right.

Speaker 6 But so again, it's that you're taking this, you're shoehorning this narrative into this conflict. And it's, it's, I think, the way a lot of these people

Speaker 6 that have an agenda operate, where they go, we need to present this

Speaker 6 Ukraine war as a way that

Speaker 6 we are fighting a murderous dictator who's going to take over all of Europe. And even though there's not, there wasn't evidence of that.
No, no evidence. There is really not a ton of evidence.
No.

Speaker 6 There's almost none. You have to believe that.
No, I live in Beverly Hills, California. I live outside of the city limits, but I say I do.

Speaker 6 And the worst people in the world, you know, in Beverly Hills, right? I mean, monster people. Like, they make valets cry, get my car.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Like, people jump out of windows and they walk over their bodies to get in their Porsche. It's crazy.
And that happened in the building I lived in. But so these.
Someone jumped out the window.

Speaker 6 Yeah, this Hollywood producer, Steve Bing, he killed himself. I knew Steve.
And he jumped out of the window. Do you think Steve killed himself? I don't know.
I don't know. But I did.

Speaker 6 Steve was a great guy. It's sad.
I have no idea what happened. Steve was the biggest donor to the Democratic Party under Clinton.
Yeah. That's a deadly move, huh? Well, it's a little deadly.

Speaker 6 And Steve began, I know, because he told me, began changing his views on things. Oh.

Speaker 6 And then the next thing you know, Steve Bing has committed suicide.

Speaker 6 And I don't know, but a friend of mine who's very close to Steve Bing, and I was friends with Steve Bing, said, that was not, no, that's not what happened. That's very possible.
It's your building.

Speaker 6 I know where that is. So I used to live there and I moved out of there because it has a dark energy.
Can you imagine? Did you really move because it had a dark energy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 I couldn't really sleep. And friends would come over and we'd sit in the living room in one of these apartments and they'd go, what's this? And we're not those people.
We're not like crystals people.

Speaker 6 We're not, you know, you sound spiritually sensitive. Yeah, I guess I'm sensitive enough to realize it was just something.

Speaker 6 And then there was like a lot of like junkies, but you know, beating each other up and beating up their girlfriends and stuff. And the cops would have to come all the time.
Not a great building.

Speaker 6 I won't say which one it is. I don't want to be sued, but because because I did trash them on the podcast and they did, they were upset.

Speaker 6 But it was not a great building. But the same people who would walk over, and I talked to the valets, you know, the morning after that happened.
There were people going, oh, that's terrible.

Speaker 6 Anyway, it's the blue Porsche. Let's go.
So this is the type of person that we're dealing with in Beverly Hills. And you need people that are kind of like that to a degree.

Speaker 6 I mean, you know, you do need people that are not, you know, singing kumbaya all the time. But let's just say these are not incredibly sensitive souls that are living in Beverly Hills, right?

Speaker 6 I remember everyone had a Ukrainian flag immediately after the war started, like they had been shipped. Well, because they care.
Yeah. Unlike you, they care.
Yeah. They care about democracy.
Right.

Speaker 6 So all these people who like, you know, kick their maid down the stairs.

Speaker 6 I'm laughing because I grew up around people like that. In Southern California, so I know you're right.

Speaker 6 People that like scream and yell at people in restaurants when something's not macrobiotic or vegan,

Speaker 6 they apparently became all humanitarians in the span of one night. And then the Ukraine fledged all over the place.

Speaker 6 And if you asked any question about the Ukraine or what was going on or why Russia went in or why they would be in NATO. Because they hate our freedoms.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 6 So it was the same kind of argument. It's the same very strange Manichean

Speaker 6 argument. Totally right.
And you would just say

Speaker 6 you know i i had dinner with rfk and his wife who i adore and his son was there and his son served in ukraine yes kid connor he's a brave kid god bless him you know um i mean hey god you know everyone does something right of course and he was talking about it and and he said you know and everyone at the table was you know saying you know how hard it is to to um you know we're sitting in malibu at dinner they go you know how hard you know that's to serve in the ukraine i go yeah but i'm defending vladimir putin in malibu at a dinner party that's actually tougher

Speaker 6 It's very

Speaker 6 you're the one who needs the medal. I actually need the medal.
And I should be, no, but it's so to me, I just thought this is very funny. What shuts down comedy is fundamentalism.
Of course.

Speaker 6 And so when people say to you, you can't ask questions, you can't know things, it's, you know, that's why every dictator in the world hates comedians.

Speaker 6 They don't want anybody asking any questions about anything. They shut everything down.
And that's why people that get offended very easily usually have something to hide.

Speaker 6 The coolest people in the world are the people who will poke fun at on the show and they don't care, and they think it's fun, and they don't, they go, this guy's a buffoon, and who cares?

Speaker 6 You know, or maybe there's some truth in it that I should learn from, or whatever, or that, perhaps.

Speaker 6 But like, when you make fun of people and they lose their mind, it always suggests something, right? So, every time that I would ask about the Ukraine, I'd go, why exactly?

Speaker 6 We've never heard of the Ukraine. And every Vice documentary about the Ukraine was that they were a white supremacist neo-Nazi country.

Speaker 6 Every Vice documentary was like a bunch of people in the Ukraine walking around you know with ss tattoos and shields and i go oh and these people just overnight became like great allies and like brave people that we loved so it was like okay listen i i feel bad their country got invaded and uh they're doing what they have to do and whatever but i just don't know

Speaker 6 you know it's just very interesting to hear people that have never thought i mean these people that i live around have never had a thought about another human being in their life They've never had a thought.

Speaker 6 And in fact, they wouldn't even be effective at what they do if they did. These agents and and managers, they can't see who is a human being.
They have to see who was a product.

Speaker 6 And that's what makes them good at what they do. Of course.
They have to see you as a product. You can't work in a slaughterhouse if you love cows.
That's correct. You can't.

Speaker 6 You can't pet the cow and go, are you tired? Do you need some time off? How's your wife? You have to look at the cow and go, it's 100 grand. Get on the plane.
And if you don't like it, do drugs.

Speaker 6 Do drugs.

Speaker 6 So what happens is. They're the worst people I've ever known.
They're the worst.

Speaker 6 The agents of the best. And they're always like the black sheep of a very wealthy family when everyone else is successful.

Speaker 6 So it's always like you have a guy, when you have an agent, they go, my brother works at Goldman Sachs. My sister is a neurosurgeon.

Speaker 6 And I do this because I have no talent or skills except I was born rich and I'm a sociopath and I don't have any educational background, but I was never going to work at Popeyes making chicken sandwiches.

Speaker 6 So I sit here at a desk and that's who most of them are. Can Can I just ask you something? It's funny.

Speaker 6 In the last couple of years, I've, you know, obviously I know a lot of people have been canceled or, you know, had these fake scandals,

Speaker 6 wherever they came, come from.

Speaker 6 And then every one of them has been dropped by his agent. And in a couple of cases, that agent has been Jay Suarez, I think, and, but other agents too.

Speaker 6 And a buddy of mine said to me, well, I can't believe this happened. Like, I was really close to my agent.
Like, I know his kids. Yeah.
I went to his house all the time. Right.

Speaker 6 And the second the person had any problem at all, the agent issues a statement like distancing himself from his own client. Yes.
Adding to the dog pile. Well, this is what happens.

Speaker 6 This is kind of what they, what they have to do. But shouldn't that be a death penalty offense? Well, the agent? Like, how can who would hire an agent who did that? Everyone.
Why?

Speaker 6 Because what happens is everybody in that town is full of shit. Okay.

Speaker 6 Everybody, and everybody kind of goes on that. Like everybody,

Speaker 6 like it's the type of town where if someone calls you up and goes, so-and-so died, you go, yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 No one believes anything. You go, sure, they did.
Like it's a complete,

Speaker 6 you know, it's a fun house. It's a hall of mirrors.
It's a, it's a place. So the agent that drops you, in many cases, will call you and go, hey, I'm really sorry.

Speaker 6 The higher ups will drop me if I don't drop you.

Speaker 6 Everyone's on the chopping block there, from the CEO of Paramount to the person who's working making, you know, salads for their boss at CAA or UTA or WME. Everyone's on the chopping block.

Speaker 6 There's nobody there that really,

Speaker 6 everybody just goes with the wind. So if somebody doesn't like a comedian, if like the consensus is that that comedian's bad, everyone's like, they're bad.
They're a demon from hell.

Speaker 6 And then if it swings the other way and that comedian starts doing really well, they're like, they've had a great year. There's nothing behind their eyes.
There's nothing there.

Speaker 6 And that's just the accepted reality of the town. So that's why.
So it's like like no hard feeling you're right you're having a human reaction yeah loyalty is so important to a video game

Speaker 6 you see

Speaker 6 that's what's happening you're having a human reaction to a video game which is what it is it's just everybody's plugged into this matrix nothing's real what people do is real, like the comedy and the movies and the art and the whatever and the books and all the things that people create.

Speaker 6 But how people in the business handle them and respond to them is dictated 100% by the winds that blow in. So if the woke wind blows in, they go, we're doing woke.

Speaker 6 Get every fat woman, get every minority. They're on television.
I want women so fat they can't breathe on their own. I want them in wheelchairs.

Speaker 6 I want them to have one leg and I want them to be indigenous. Go.
And then when that makes no money, they go, great, white guys, let's do that. White guys are back.

Speaker 6 And then if that, if people get mad again and they want the other, they don't believe in it. The people there don't really believe in anything.

Speaker 6 It's just like they're just waiting to see which way they can go.

Speaker 6 Some of them like, some of them like comedy. Like some of them like kind of like comedy.
And that's the best you can say for some of them is this.

Speaker 6 Have you ever, in all your time in LA, experienced an authentic human emotion?

Speaker 6 One time I went to a Thai restaurant and it was closed and it was very sad. It was.

Speaker 6 Usually you have to look at other races for human emotions, like Mexicans. Yes, you know what I mean? Like, who are like going, like, usually coming out of a church or doing something like that.
Um,

Speaker 6 uh, it's a very weird place. I've learned to love parts of it and hate parts of it.
It's very different from where I lived.

Speaker 6 It's these vast canyons, and it's, you know, mountains very empty, and it's very hollow, and people are very passive, aggressive, and kind of laid back, and they're not as intense.

Speaker 6 I grew up in New York and Long Island with a lot of intense people, and there's a lot of like,

Speaker 6 you know, and it's just a town that functions primarily with

Speaker 6 the

Speaker 6 only rule there is that everything's always great. So everybody is always like, things are great.
How are you? Oh, good.

Speaker 6 Like no matter what's going on in their lives, they want to present this thing, everything's great because you want to be near winners. You want to be near good people and people that are doing well.

Speaker 6 And everybody just has to present that side of themselves at all times, which is why people say, oh, it's fake

Speaker 6 and that it's, you know, it's not real, but it is, it is, that's kind of the guiding principle. Not to get too dark, but what if things aren't great? Like, things aren't great for a lot of people.

Speaker 6 Things are not great. Who do you talk to?

Speaker 6 Great question. I mean, I think there are like little groups of people that have honest moments.
I've had honest moments there with people, but the people that I've had honest moments with, you know,

Speaker 6 it's very funny because it's the only place where someone will meet up with you

Speaker 6 and like look around and you think they're selling you heroin, but then they're just going to say something remotely conservative. You know, it's very,

Speaker 6 yeah, you know, people kind of just like go like, you know, the border is, oh, it doesn't look good. Somebody be like, Biden is a little old.

Speaker 6 But it is weird because everybody's like terrified of like, you know, but that's changing now because I think the institutions have less power and the internet has grown and people are more free.

Speaker 6 So, I think it is changing, and there are definitely opportunities for people to kind of connect with an audience outside of that system.

Speaker 6 And I think that system is now also responding very positively for the first time to people that have gained an audience on the internet. I think they're starting to understand the value of that.

Speaker 6 And that it isn't this world in which everybody's good or bad or perfect or not. There are people that make mistakes, and there's people that also are, you know,

Speaker 6 really good people that are not reflected by a certain action. You know what I mean? Like there's this idea that like people are entire people.
They're not just one thing you didn't like.

Speaker 6 That's exactly right. And I think that's going to be, I think that's what's the future, hopefully, is this nuance and complexity.

Speaker 6 Whereas we went through a period where it was very simple and everybody was like, bad, good, ally, not.

Speaker 6 enemy, you know, now I think we're going to go, oh, that guy, and like take a beat and be like, what's she about? And take a breath. And I do it all the time with people.

Speaker 6 Like, treating people as human beings. Treating them with human beings.
And I do it all the time with people that I completely disagree with on everything. I mean, this person's psychotic.

Speaker 6 But I take a step back and I go, let me look at them as a human being and not just a collection of tweets that make me want to vomit.

Speaker 6 I want to ask you about that, but before we pass on from LA, I just, I haven't lived there in many years. Sure.
But I visit

Speaker 6 overrun with homeless people, addicts mostly, but also non-addicts. Just a lot of people living outdoors.
Yeah. Really sad visible sign of collapse in my view.
But it's all black and all white. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Pretty much. And LA, I think, is majority Hispanic city.
It's a white Hispanic city, probably. Yeah, but I don't see any or many Hispanics living on the street.
What is that? Almost none. Almost none.

Speaker 6 So in a city that's majority Mexican origin. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And there's nobody like that living on the street. Like, why?

Speaker 6 Well, I think if you look at it. Because they're rich.
No, I think this,

Speaker 6 a lot of these these homeless encampments are open-air drug markets. Yes.
People don't want to talk about it. People don't want to,

Speaker 6 you know, malign people that are homeless that aren't on drugs. And of course, there are people that are homeless that aren't on drugs.
But I will tell you this, everybody in L.A.

Speaker 6 has observed people that are homeless that have mental issues. And some of those mental issues are brought on or exacerbated by drug use.
This is just plain and simple.

Speaker 6 This doesn't say that all poor people are drug addicts. No one's saying that.
No one's saying that you have to be a drug addict to end up homeless. What people are saying is that

Speaker 6 since both of us are sober for a long time

Speaker 6 and off drugs and alcohol, I think we have the right actually

Speaker 6 to assess this. That's right.

Speaker 6 Let's stop the bullshit. That's right.
And all of the people that are

Speaker 6 struggling with addiction have not been helped. by the people whose job it is to help them.
And the government's job

Speaker 6 is to provide a safe environment for everyone, for people that are addicted to drugs and people that aren't addicted to drugs so the way to provide a safe environment for people that are addicted to drugs is not permit them to live on the street and use drugs in a tent exactly it is not to permit people to use fentanyl on the street and to overdose on the street and die and this is not a compassionate thing and this is not a good policy

Speaker 6 if you had a niece or nephew who is addicted to drugs and you may yeah would you give them money for drugs and let them live on the street no i've had members of my own family. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 We all have. Can't do it.

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Speaker 6 There's a lot of excitement. There's something weird.
I remember when they broke up this homeless encampment in Echo Park. Yeah.

Speaker 6 A lot of people were protesting. It's very exciting.
And they were like, and there's like psychotic, you know, people are nuts there. So then people go, well, I go buy things there

Speaker 6 to help. I buy little lanyards and stuff that they're selling.

Speaker 6 I go, do you think this is a long-term solution when you have this homeless encampment in a park and then people are treating it like a farmer's market?

Speaker 6 All these like wealthy white people that want to help are going there, giving them money for heroin and buying an avocado or some crazy thing.

Speaker 6 And I don't even know what's what people were selling there. But when the cops broke it up, there was a lot of tension in the community because the community was against it.

Speaker 6 They didn't want the homeless encampment broken up. They were very angry.
They were like, how dare these fascists break up this homeless encampment?

Speaker 6 Again, where people were overdealing In their own neighborhood. Yes, they want it.
That's the thing. I was standing the other day

Speaker 6 in San Francisco, and this woman said to me, I said, she was, you know, I go, yeah, the city's, you know, falling apart. And I go, the mayor, London Breed, I go, I don't know what she's really doing.

Speaker 6 She goes, she goes, yep, she's trying to criminalize addiction. We went down that road.
And I'm like, wait a minute. So your

Speaker 6 take

Speaker 6 is that the mayor of San Francisco is too conservative because she's trying to criminalize addiction. I'm like, you got to criminalize the behaviors that are often inherent with addiction.
Yes.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 robbing people,

Speaker 6 selling drugs, you know, crimes that involve procuring drugs, trafficking people. Like, there's all these things that happen.

Speaker 6 And, you know, you just, there's something that goes on, and it's on the West Coast more than the East Coast, for sure,

Speaker 6 where

Speaker 6 people

Speaker 6 don't

Speaker 6 understand

Speaker 6 the value

Speaker 6 of

Speaker 6 standards being enforced. They don't see it.
They don't get it. They think that it's a completely,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 insensitive

Speaker 6 way to look at the situation. And saying, like, we have a standard.
You don't sleep in a tent. You don't camp on the street.
There are homeless shelters. You got to go.
We have Project Room Key.

Speaker 6 You got to go to a hotel room.

Speaker 6 But if you're going to participate in that program, you have to submit to drug testing and counseling because we can't have people using drugs in that program and providing drugs to other people.

Speaker 6 We're not going to pay people to commit suicide.

Speaker 6 We're not going to pay people to kill themselves on the street. And that's a standard and we're forcing that standard.
And that's people, for whatever reason, don't seem to believe that that is

Speaker 6 the ones who lack compassion. Like, again, would you treat a loved one the way they treat the so-called homeless? No.
No, it's very interesting. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 6 Maybe they have this freak, weird fetish with people dying all around them. I don't know what it is.
It's very sick. sick.
I'd be very honest. Why know Hispanic?

Speaker 6 Why know Mexicans in the city that's already Mexican? I just think,

Speaker 6 and there are all kinds of problems in Mexican neighborhoods. Sure.
A lot of poverty. Yeah.
Gangs. You know,

Speaker 6 people come to California to be homeless in California. Well, maybe that's it.
Because of the weather. And then there's programs.

Speaker 6 Shouldn't someone study what the Mexicans are doing and like maybe do that? Yes. I mean, our governor lives on a vineyard, so good luck.
But,

Speaker 6 you know, good luck about the studying happening.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you do not see a ton of.

Speaker 6 way disproportionate to the population. Way, way disproportionately.
Well, also, you don't see a lot of Mexican people not working. That's what I'm saying.
So maybe the solution is not working

Speaker 6 is not actually happening.

Speaker 6 A lot of the white people, no one has a job, even the ones that have money. They sit around, they kind of have smoothies.

Speaker 6 What is that? They float around. I don't know, but no one really works.
I noticed. They float around for cafes.
They have like kind of fake meetings. They take meetings all the time.

Speaker 6 They talk to another person, and that's a meeting. And they go, what about, you know, what about this? And what do you think's going on?

Speaker 6 And they have coffee and they go, this coffee is not as good as the last. And, you know, it's, no one seems to be working.
Where's all the money come from? I don't know. I have no idea.
The CCP.

Speaker 6 I know, I don't know. For real, though.
I don't know who's floating it. I mean, usually when I have a lazy friend, you go back in their family lineage.
Someone got a bag of money somewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 6 The dad, the grandpa, the great grandpa, someone's got money somewhere. I don't know.
I mean, with LA, you meet a lot of people that are are drifting around and they have, they're aimless.

Speaker 6 But aimlessness is very expensive, especially. It's very expensive.
And I don't think the Mexican culture is a Catholic culture. It's a religious culture.
It's a culture of working.

Speaker 6 It's a culture of parties and food and like enjoying life and getting the most out of life. But it doesn't seem to be a culture that I would associate with aimlessness.
No.

Speaker 6 It doesn't seem aimless at all. It seems to be pretty, you know, and I mean, I'm sure there are problems in every community, but there's a lot of aimlessness.

Speaker 6 It's like, you know, that's the thing of people,

Speaker 6 people talk about, people who talk about race and all this stuff, but it's like, you know, the white people in the West Coast are maybe the most damaging group of people to civil society I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 6 I mean, when you talk about the people that live in Seattle and Portland, the things that laws that they pass and favor, and I've never seen a group of people wreak more havoc on a civil society in my life than the West Coast of the United States.

Speaker 6 What's the motive there, do you think? I don't know. I don't know if it's no sun.
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 6 I don't know what it is.

Speaker 6 I just know that. But they're trying to destroy things.
They're trying to destroy things. In Portland, there was like a van, this woman like driving around a van and just shooting people up.

Speaker 6 It was called a stabbing wagon, where they're just shooting up drug addicts on the street. And it was crazy.
It was like insane. And this was like, and then they just reversed at Portland.

Speaker 6 It's like, you know, hey, they were like, this is actually. You don't have to be for the drug war, which I'm not really for.
Sure.

Speaker 6 You know, hassling people for partying at home, even though I'm sober, yeah, against that, sure.

Speaker 6 But if you get to a place where some girl is shooting people up with narcotics, like she should be in prison, right? There's always a limit, right?

Speaker 6 Because these people, they have all these ideas, and then what happens is like a few people die in front of them in a Whole Foods, yeah, and they start going, whoa, maybe,

Speaker 6 maybe, like, it is fun. They go, oh, that was a little.

Speaker 6 And when someone dies in a Whole Foods in front of them, they start going, you know what?

Speaker 6 Because the consequences for a lot of these people are just so far removed that they're just not present they're just not they're behind a gate they're somewhere you know 40 minutes out of the city whatever it is and they just kind of don't care but then people start you know dying in whole foods and then they start going yeah maybe this isn't ideal this might not be great so it takes that though it takes something extreme like that for these people to kind of wake up so obviously i'm a bad person but i i don't want the pivot to happen without someone being punished for this yeah and as someone who grew up out there when it was really idyllic it it was sort of peak human civilization in 1975 in Laurel Canyon.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 6 And now it's dystopian. It's like someone should have to be held to account for this, pay the price for that.

Speaker 6 They won't. They'll be like, actually, like, I was never for that.
It's like the COVID vaccine. Well, I always had concerns.
No, you didn't. Yeah.
I mean, it's interesting.

Speaker 6 Do you think they would treat the internet the way they treat the real world? Like all these people who they love how functional their sites are. Anyone that says anything gets banned immediately.

Speaker 6 Everything's very clean. They work very well.
You can access them pretty easily. They work a lot on the user experience.
How's the user experience walking down the street? Yeah, how's the 405?

Speaker 6 In the Castro, how's the 405? How's the user experience there? How are you interfacing with the person who just OD'd in Whole Foods? Like, apply all of the same things

Speaker 6 to the real world. They just don't seem to care.
That's a brilliant observation. They seem not to give a shit.

Speaker 6 They seem to care mainly about the digital world in which they're creating and ushering people into at a very rapid pace. And they don't seem to care about the real world.

Speaker 6 And if I was a conspiracy nut, I might say

Speaker 6 that the worse the real world is, the more people are dependent on the digital world and the quicker you can get them all there. That might be, if I was, you know.

Speaker 6 having fun, I might. So you might like shut down the entire U.S.
economy and force everyone to stay indoors for a year? Seems like it might be a decent plan. But would that actually work?

Speaker 6 Would people choose Amazon over like local retailers, do you think? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. You know, you could transfer, you could cancel rent and then transfer all that wealth from local landlords and demonize them to corporate landlords who now own a lot of the United States.

Speaker 6 And if you've ever had a local landlord, which I have, you're much better off. I've been broke for years.
I was a comedian.

Speaker 6 You're much better off sitting down with someone face to face like this and going, I can get it Thursday than you are dealing with BlackRock.

Speaker 6 They're not as compassionate? They seem not to be. They seem not to be.

Speaker 6 So, this idea that we demonized anybody that owned a two-family house and we said, look at this scumbag landlord, and they own a three-family house where they live in one of the units, and the other two units are people that they rent to.

Speaker 6 And we said, Look at these people. They're pieces.
You know what happened?

Speaker 6 All the corporate landlords bought everything, own everything, and are raising the price of residential real estate for everybody that

Speaker 6 is trying to buy a house. So it's weird where we're, because we've got.
I never hear anyone talk about it. No one talks about it.
No one cares.

Speaker 6 No one talks about the fact that most of the new constructions in London, at one point it was 60%. It might be more now or less, but at one point it was about 60%

Speaker 6 of all new constructions. I bet it's higher now are being bought by foreign nationals with LLCs.
They're not living there. It's doing in New York.
I mean, they're doing it in all of these cities.

Speaker 6 Most of these buildings, you look at New York Billionaires Row, there's four lights on, this huge skyscraper, who's there? No one's home. There's no school bus.
No one's taking their kids to school.

Speaker 6 It's, you know, a guy that comes in and is laundering money through real estate

Speaker 6 in cities like New York and London and places that. So that's why as the economy craters

Speaker 6 and people are just poorer because of inflation,

Speaker 6 housing prices don't drop. No, it's don't drop.
That's right. It's being artificially propped up.
And that's why these cities are really rich, wealthy city. You go, who the f has all this money?

Speaker 6 Who has all this money to buy these apartments? And then you go, oh, it's criminals from all over the world that are washing a lot of dirty money in real estate.

Speaker 6 And I'm sure maybe just rich people that aren't criminals, but a lot of them, a lot of them are guys.

Speaker 6 If you look it up, there's like a guy that's like a, it'll be like a guy who poisoned a river in Zambia.

Speaker 6 And it's like, that's why all these real estate shows are fake. They're all not true.

Speaker 6 They're all these, with these attractive women, they walk around and they find these, like, they find like a guy who's a basketball player or a guy who's like an actor.

Speaker 6 None of them are even buying the houses, by the way.

Speaker 6 I know the people that work on these real estate shows, you know, they really sell the houses to a lot of people that just come in speaking complete Mandarin.

Speaker 6 And I have a friend who's a real estate agent and they come in, they speak complete Mandarin to a translator. He just points.
Beverly Hill isn't pointing. There you go.
They stand outside.

Speaker 6 They look at the view.

Speaker 6 And they're the ones who are actually buying houses or Russian nationals, oligarchs, or people from the United Arab Emirates, or people from Brazilian mining magnets or people from India.

Speaker 6 It's not really a lot of domestic buyers in LA. It's in New York.
It's a ton of foreign nationals, you know? And that's why these real estate shows just aren't true.

Speaker 6 If they were true, it would be a real estate agent greeting someone at the door and going, this is a beautiful house. How did things go at The Hague? Are you okay?

Speaker 6 Everything was good at The Hague? Great. We saw that.
Take a look at the veranda. They have a great, that would be the real show, but it's not the real show, you know.

Speaker 6 But what about the people who live here? They can't afford housing. They can't afford housing.
And no one cares. No one cares because they, the whole game now is people just say rent, rent.

Speaker 6 Take Ubers. You don't need a car.
You don't need to own anything. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 You moved personally

Speaker 6 in the opposite direction. Yeah.
So you made money after years of being poor. Yes.
It sounds like you didn't put as much in the market as you did into real estate. Why?

Speaker 6 Real estate to me is something I understand.

Speaker 6 I would probably get richer if I knew more about stocks or if I knew, you know, I was caught up in that Bitcoin craziness where I still have a good amount of crypto.

Speaker 6 And I, you know, I remember, you know, we talked last night. I remember sitting at a table with like Jake Paul and a few of these guys.
And Jake Paul's like, are you investing in Cumrocket?

Speaker 6 I said, what is that? And he was like, well, it's a, it's a coin, you know, it's a, it's a shit coin, but it was going up. He's like, I've made all this money.

Speaker 6 And I called my business manager at like 2 a.m. in Miami.
And I'm a sober guy, but I feel high because I'm calling my business manager at 2 a.m. going, should I invest in Cum Rocket?

Speaker 6 And he goes, I think so. I think probably.
So this is how nuts everyone got. Did you invest in Cum Rocket? I didn't.

Speaker 6 I was, I was, at the end of the day, I pulled out and I'm like, nah, let's just stick with the Bitcoin and Ethereum. You pulled out of Cum Rocket.
I pulled out of Cum Rocket. I said, you know what?

Speaker 6 This is too volatile. Yeah.
But you went with the withdrawal method. I went with the withdrawal method of Cum Rocket.
I said, we don't want it all over the place. But

Speaker 6 it was a crazy time. It was an insane time.
NFTs, people were making millions of dollars. People were making all this money with Bitcoin.
It was a complete house of cards. It was crazy.

Speaker 6 And I think Bitcoin's a good thing. I think having this decentralized currency is actually a really cool thing.

Speaker 6 But like everything else, the world that grew around it was a world of criminals and con artists and flim flam artists and people that were full of shit and people that were just taking all this money and pumping all these things up and just all these were stock scams and Ponzi schemes and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 Real estate to me seemed the most safe because I understood it. I get it.
I understand people always need houses, want houses. They give you joy.
They make you happy.

Speaker 6 They're things that promote other things in society that I think are good, like having a family and keeping a family and having, I have a house on Long Island where I can have my family come and visit.

Speaker 6 And like, I'm an hour from my father and I'm only a few hours from family that lives in Rhode Island. Like, I think having places for people to gather is very important.
It was part of my childhood.

Speaker 6 And those things are huge. And I don't think you get as much joy from cum rocket, you know, as an investment.
You might get more money.

Speaker 6 So I understand that, but I've also watched friends not be able to. And I got lucky because I was a comedian.
I got started a podcast. Joe Rogan helped me out a lot by putting me on a bunch.

Speaker 6 And I got really lucky, but I have friends that are hardworking people, firefighters, teachers, versus the people that actually do the jobs that make society work and run.

Speaker 6 And they're having a tough time now because the interest rates are 7%.

Speaker 6 And the house values, and with the rates, I think it's the most time, most expensive time to buy in like 40 years or so. Yes.
It's crazy. So, how closely do you follow residential real estate markets?

Speaker 6 Very.

Speaker 6 Are they going to come down?

Speaker 6 Yes, the answer is eventually yes. There's more inventory coming in 2025.
I think that rates dropping will

Speaker 6 get people off the sidelines. Right now, it's an inventory problem where there's just not a lot of houses.
There's not a lot of houses on the market.

Speaker 6 Boomers don't want to die and they don't want to sell their homes. Boomers used to sell their homes, go to Florida, get a condo.
Boomers don't want to do that.

Speaker 6 They're actually retiring, in some cases, bigger homes. It's kind of hilarious and somewhat satanic.
That's because this selfishness is so ingrained.

Speaker 6 It's so ingrained in them that their whole, the thing about the boomers is they've been alive for a very long time. Many of them have attained absolutely no wisdom.
So what they've done.

Speaker 6 That's not easy, by the way. It's not easy.
It's actually impressive.

Speaker 6 And what they've done is everything's material. So this big house that they lord around, I mean, some of my friends' parents, I mean, I'm writing a book about them.
They're hilarious.

Speaker 6 They know nothing. I mean, nothing.
But they lord around these big suburban castles, and their whole sense of self worth comes from this. It comes from materialism.

Speaker 6 So the idea that they would leave this big house, which is every argument that a boomer ever tries to win, they just point at their house. I mean, they don't know anything.
They have zero idea.

Speaker 6 They've read no books about anything.

Speaker 6 They're a very funny. They're the last really, truly funny generation, I think, because everyone has becoming flattened, but they are just very funny and deeply selfish.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's, you know, it's funny to watch them. And, you know, it is funny, but they're never going to get rid of these houses.
So their kids are kind of, you know, they're being held hostage.

Speaker 6 I mean, the whole economy, you know, I mean, Pelosi, Biden, these very old people, Mitch McConnell, they won't retire. None of them have any plans on retiring.
They want to die in office.

Speaker 6 And that's very much like across the board. Nobody will sell their house.
Nobody will step down at their job. It's just a generation of people that don't want to stop.

Speaker 6 Because they're afraid of what's going on. I mean, they know they'll be punished in the next life.
I don't even know. They seem to be very ambivalent about that.

Speaker 6 They seem to face death and kind of a very like, eh.

Speaker 6 They don't seem to be.

Speaker 6 I'm kind of impressed. They don't seem appropriately afraid.
Yeah, I'm somewhat impressed by them, actually.

Speaker 6 They're very casual about it. I think because it, you know, their main fears are discomfort.

Speaker 6 And I think if they're gone, there won't be any more discomfort. There's no more traffic.
What? So you're writing a book about the boomers? Yeah. They were my teachers growing up.
Yeah. And

Speaker 6 it's not all bad, but

Speaker 6 they're all bad. I hated them from first grade when I realized who they were.

Speaker 6 They're funny, though. So to me, the thing that I say, when I say they're not all bad, they're terrible at all the things

Speaker 6 you would say that they're, but they make me laugh. But they're very funny.
There's a trend over the last 70 years. Yes.

Speaker 6 they've driven and fallen for completely whatever dumb trend from the pet rock to feminism yes covid like they well they're all in on every trend the thing with the boomers is they they their lives started and they're woodstock people right so 100 they all went to woodstock we all believe my parents didn't because it was traffic i kid you not they turned around because there was too much traffic can you imagine they were boomers even then and they literally turned their car around i mean it's it's unforgivable it's unforgivable behavior

Speaker 6 What happens is we are led to believe they're this very progressive

Speaker 6 generation of very interesting

Speaker 6 people, agents of change and spiritual people, right?

Speaker 6 And then we see, of course, that they're just selfish drug addicts that want to just do drugs in a field, which has its benefits, but let's not pretend it's a grand life strategy, right?

Speaker 6 And then they just kind of, you know, buy into the, they're the most propagandized generation in terms of advertising. Yes.
I mean, the Edward Bernay stuff, I mean, like they fell for everything.

Speaker 6 They fed us all poison growing up. They fell for everything.
They fell for every corporate slogan. My father, who I love, but will cry at commercials.

Speaker 6 He would cry at the Budweiser Clydesdales that do the 9-11 thing. He loved the Budweiser Frogs.

Speaker 6 They loved commercial. Boomers adored commercials.
They liked commercials. A good Folgers commercial with the families sitting together and they're drinking coffee.
Boomers loved commercials.

Speaker 6 They thought

Speaker 6 that all of these things, that corporations really cared about them, and they were very somewhat naive. And I think

Speaker 6 they're kind of like spinning out a little bit now because they've realized a little bit to some degree how wrong they were about everything. And it was kind of, now it's kind of becoming

Speaker 6 apparent. But they like being lied to, is what you're saying.
Well, they liked it because it was all about comfort.

Speaker 6 The idea of moving into the suburbs and getting this house and having all these things, the mark of success became comfort.

Speaker 6 You know, for years in America, the mark of success was like conquester, going and you know, settling some

Speaker 6 achievement or coming up with a company or an advancement, make people's lives better. You know, then it became about comfort.
It's where do you live and how leafy green is the suburb?

Speaker 6 Where's the pool? And it was just like, let's relax, let's grill.

Speaker 6 And I think what happened was a lot of these people just became kind of creatures of this environment where everybody was one-upping each other with cars and, you know, like, but they still had that like hippie thing in them.

Speaker 6 So they would still do weird stuff. Like my friend's dad has like a band and it's like he'll go and,

Speaker 6 you know, play in this band. It's like terrible band.
But they'll have fun.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, there were just these things that they like keep from that era, even though they, you know, have, you know, gone fully down the the road of like just materialism.

Speaker 6 And they didn't really like their children. That's the other thing I find funny.
They view their children as like obstacles to their own success and fulfillment.

Speaker 6 The boomers really didn't like their children.

Speaker 6 It was the first generation people that didn't really want their children to have it too much better than they did, if they wanted them to have it better at all. It was kind of a weird, disgusting.

Speaker 6 I know, but it was just a very weird adversarial relationship. My friend's mother just like faked, she didn't go to his wedding, she like faked some injuries.
She said she was attacked at a

Speaker 6 supermarket. It's blatantly untrue.

Speaker 6 What? Blatly untrue. She made up the story that she was like attacked at a supermarket parking lot.
She just was like, I'm attacked and I can't go. And she just missed his wedding.

Speaker 6 She didn't go to his wedding. Why? They're crazy, these people.
I don't know these boomers. I don't know why they do what they do, but it's just very funny.
It's like, so what?

Speaker 6 One very funny thing was after my mother died, I swear to God, I was on the phone with my aunt, which is her sister. And I go, I go, what do we think about a funeral, everything like that?

Speaker 6 You know, maybe Thursday. She goes, I know.
She goes, we've got a boat thing.

Speaker 6 Not really. really

Speaker 6 this is her sister yeah she goes we're gonna go on a boat with some friends but she goes we could get it we maybe do it next we figured out next week so

Speaker 6 but that's why they're so that's why i do love them i don't hate like i love them because it's like they're horrible but they make me laugh so much and i was able to you know just fuse the stuff together to make it and the millennials suck too and there's other generations that are problem but um they just they make me laugh but they are terrible they are really terrible and that's what makes them

Speaker 6 fun is they're getting credit for it, though, finally.

Speaker 6 Someone who's disliked them since like 1977, I really have, too. Yeah.
Because they spoke entirely in cliches. They're just so banal.
It's very banal. It's very.
Very. It's very banal.
Shallow.

Speaker 6 And they're materialist. You're exactly right.
Yeah. But now it seems like they're just reviled by everyone.
Is that true? Yes. They're kind of reviled by everyone.
And they're,

Speaker 6 they're just, I remember growing up, all my friends' parents say, oh, they all spoke in like sayings. Totally.
And none of it meant anything. And,

Speaker 6 you know they would demonize perfectly good jobs like union jobs and like you want to be like that guy you want to be like that guy and they had these empty corporate hellscape jobs that turn

Speaker 6 they all turn them into alcoholics and everything but they're like you want to be like that guy and it was usually like an in-shaped guy like working construction like you want to be a scumbag like him or do you want to sit in office like me and cheat on your mother um

Speaker 6 so you so it was this

Speaker 6 they always demonized other people you were always in a rat race with other kids They always talked about these other kids are doing better than you. It was like, you know, kind of a weird, like,

Speaker 6 a weird, but

Speaker 6 nothing was really focused on

Speaker 6 excellence as much as it was focused on winning

Speaker 6 to make them look good.

Speaker 6 So like, you know, if you had boomer parents in sports, they were always kind of like, they weren't getting you up and making you train, but they would go to the games and yell.

Speaker 6 Like they would go, like, there was this woman, this woman, her daughter was a swimmer. My mother was a swim coach.

Speaker 6 And this woman would get up and scream, God, you know, she'd be like totally in her daughter's corner there, just screaming and yelling. But you'd never see her at any of the practices at 8 a.m.

Speaker 6 when the kids in the pool, you know, they wanted the end result. This was the whole thing.
So they're the ones who pushed the college lie. They pushed college.

Speaker 6 They have to go to Princeton, and I'm so proud of that. They have to go to college.

Speaker 6 Our kids went to college, and they pushed that lie because, again, all they wanted to do was get their kids away from them. So that's why there were 80 activities every week.

Speaker 6 Martial arts, soccer, dance class, whatever it was that they could put you in a car and put you away. They drop you off somewhere.
Good luck.

Speaker 6 So college was like, great, here we go. We're done.
They went to college, you know.

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Speaker 6 Did you go to college? No, I went to a community college for two years and dropped out.

Speaker 6 I won a debate championship gold medal in debate, and I just dropped out of college and I went into finance because I didn't like, I didn't like. What did your parents say? Your boomer parents.

Speaker 6 They were disappointed. They were thinking I would fail.

Speaker 6 They knew you well. I mean, so the two options for a boomer kid, a millennial or whatever you want to call me, Gen X or whatever,

Speaker 6 succeeding, which they would be happy about because they would claim total credit for it.

Speaker 6 And then failing, and then they would go,

Speaker 6 well, you didn't listen to us. Of course you failed.
And I think with me, they were very much like, he's going to be a big mess.

Speaker 6 And we're going to get to tell people all the time how, how you didn't listen to anything we said. And this is right, but then it ended up, it looked like it was going one way, it went the other way.

Speaker 6 So they're fine now. They're cool with it.
But it's just, it is, it was different. They didn't expect it.
They didn't expect it. Would you reckon?

Speaker 6 They said to me, my father's wife said to me, who I do like a lot, but she said, she goes, how does someone like you who made every wrong decision in their life end up with a house like this?

Speaker 6 So, but that is the way that they

Speaker 6 made the right decisions. Does that occur to them? Never,

Speaker 6 never.

Speaker 6 It's interesting, but that is kind of the way that they, you know, the way they speak. Because the results do sort of tell the story, right? You would think, which is why I'd love to see,

Speaker 6 you know, but um, yeah, they were, they were interesting.

Speaker 6 Their spiritual life was materialism, yeah, and their um

Speaker 6 their

Speaker 6 lives were

Speaker 6 really

Speaker 6 themselves more than anyone else. There's never been a generation where it's been about them as much as it is.

Speaker 6 You know, my aunt said to me during COVID, it made me laugh. She goes, we're on the phone.
I think I do. They just made me laugh so much.
She goes, she goes, I hope everybody gets this vaccine.

Speaker 6 And I said, yeah. She goes, I hope everyone gets this vaccine.
I said, yeah. She goes, because I want to travel.
And I've worked my whole life. She goes, I've worked my whole life.

Speaker 6 And by the way, everyone's worked their whole life. Of course.
It's the funniest thing to say. Everyone's worked their whole life.
Like, what are you talking? Like, okay, 20 people didn't work.

Speaker 6 And they, you know, they grew up with whatever. But, like, she goes, everybody better get this vaccine because I want to travel.
I want to go on cruises. And because I've worked my whole life.

Speaker 6 And I believe she's been retired for about 30 years.

Speaker 6 With full dental

Speaker 6 25 years.

Speaker 6 But like, it is just a fun.

Speaker 6 It's very funny the way way that they are you know they just it's they're perfect so you said a minute ago that um the internet has decentralized power and disempowered all these institutions and those are the institutions that kind of decided who was successful and who wasn't particularly in the entertainment business

Speaker 6 news sports even yeah um

Speaker 6 what does this mean for like their ability to crush people they don't like to cancel people they'll have to find new ways to do it and i think they're they're they're a little panicked

Speaker 6 I think it hurts their ability to do it substantially, dramatically. That way? Yeah, I think dramatically.
You said you're friends with Louis C.K. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Who I don't know. I'm not defending Louis C.K., but I remember reading the details of that and thinking, you know, okay, maybe unattractive.
Louis's been able to have a great career. Is that a crime?

Speaker 6 Like, what was that? No, not at all. And he's been able to have a phenomenal career.
Why did they do that to him?

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, it was a moment in which, and I don't know the details of every single accusation in that piece, but I do know that it was a moment where people weren't thinking but even if they were all wanted

Speaker 6 even if everything written about the guy that i read was true you'd be like all right that's embarrassing well that was a time when it wasn't enough that someone uh admit to a mistake or admit to it was about destroying people yes about ending their lives why I just think if people get caught up in these moral panics and they want to hurt people, and this is something deeply innate in our

Speaker 6 beings that have to be dealt with. We have to to figure out why we do this.
But this is something that people like mobs and they like getting

Speaker 6 their pitchforks out. And I think he's been able to have a phenomenal career.
And he's made movies. He's sold out Madison Square Garden.
He's done all these things. His fans love him.

Speaker 6 And he's one of the greatest comedians that's ever lived. So you have that.

Speaker 6 But yeah, it was a time when people just wanted other people to be heard. It wasn't enough to say, I fucked up, no matter who it was or what they did.

Speaker 6 And I think now I think people are, people are looking at the full, the the full picture of a human being and going like, you know what? I think we're all over that. I'm hoping we're all over that.

Speaker 6 But there are forces out there that

Speaker 6 are going to have to adjust, you know? So I don't know what they do. So Louis C.K.
was they may go back to killing people. That's what they did for a long time.
That's what they did for a long time.

Speaker 6 And then they, now they, then they just started destroying their reputations. But before that, they killed them.
If you remember that, yes.

Speaker 6 They, people would die in all these weird ways and cars would go off things and people get shot shot in the middle of hotels.

Speaker 6 And then it just started to be like we're just going to take out people's reputations. Does seem like a lot of people are dying.
Have you noticed this?

Speaker 6 It does seem not just Steve Bing, but yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's yeah, there's a lot of problems, it's not good.
Okay, but just back to just a case, though.

Speaker 6 It turns out that he not only survived this

Speaker 6 character assassination attempt, but thrived. He thrived because his talent spoke for itself and people know.

Speaker 6 Is anyone keeping track of all the other guys who were destroyed?

Speaker 6 I think a lot of them are doing great. I think a lot of them are doing fine because I think, as we talked about,

Speaker 6 it's not the worst thing to have people turn on you because it makes you

Speaker 6 build resilience.

Speaker 6 You know who your real friends are. You fall back on your talent.
You lean on your talent. You lean on the things that you can do better than anyone else.
And you try to make those even better.

Speaker 6 You have to be more effective in a way.

Speaker 6 You can't coast. The tide will not carry you.
So you have to find ways to,

Speaker 6 you know, create your own

Speaker 6 environment and create your own

Speaker 6 inertia to move the things you're doing forward because you don't, you won't be carried anymore

Speaker 6 by

Speaker 6 the mainstream. So you have to just go and I think that's ultimately a good thing.
Well, Sue, it's bad that people kiss your ass. It's bad for your soul.
Do you see that?

Speaker 6 I mean, you must deal with that.

Speaker 6 no i think i deal with people that lie to me all the time so like that is a version of kissing your ass of course people lie so it's it people make things you know they just they if they

Speaker 6 you don't get a lot of good feedback all the time but then there are people that i trust to give me real feedback and they're not people that i'm usually paying You start paying people that can get complicated, but there are some people that I pay that I do trust to give me real feedback.

Speaker 6 But then there are also a lot of people that earn money off when I earn money that tell me everything's great all the time. And I go, I don't know if that was great.
And And I go, no, it was great.

Speaker 6 Like their job is to just keep you in a positive mind frame so that you keep earning money. Their job is not to bring any negative or real

Speaker 6 things to the forefront.

Speaker 6 I mean, don't you think it's good for you to be attacked and confronted and belittled and humiliated

Speaker 6 brought to who you really are once again? I think it's, it's certainly good if you're a creative person. Yes.
You have to create and you have to shake yourself out of a comfort zone for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Do you get enough hate that it keeps you human? I think so. I think I get enough hate.
You got enough today. I think I get enough of people that don't like what I do or say for sure.

Speaker 6 I think things are appropriately difficult, meaning like I

Speaker 6 have friction and that's good. I think that, you know, people, I'm not, I'm not a person who,

Speaker 6 you know, is

Speaker 6 beloved.

Speaker 6 With a lot of what I say, but my fans, the people that like what I do like me. But then there are people that need some convincing.
I think that's good. I think that's good.

Speaker 6 I don't mind that when I sit down with people and, you know, my manager and people like that will tell me, they go, yeah, they, you know,

Speaker 6 they like you, but they don't, they don't know really who you are. I think you get a lot of similar stuff where people go, well, they have ideas about you that are not from you.

Speaker 6 They are just out there. So well, I agree.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with being attacked for your actual crimes. There's nothing wrong with that.
And I welcome it.

Speaker 6 It's being called names that actually aren't accurate. Yeah.
You know, I once was talking to a New York Times reporter who was telling me what a racist I was. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I said, I'm actually, first of all, I would tell you if I was a racist. I'm really not a racist.
I'm actually a sexist. Right.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I thought was hilarious. Yeah.
Sort of true. And I thought, what? That's a good line.
Yeah. Didn't print it.
No, they won't print it.

Speaker 6 If someone said that to me in an interview, I would print that. Yeah, I participated once.

Speaker 6 I don't know a ton of, I know some people in journalism, but i participated once in this thing where like there's a few journalists that like wanted to talk to a comedian because they they were like we want to start using more comedy in our pieces and i was like wait what and they they were just these these totally unfunny like

Speaker 6 people it was just tough i was like guys just write the fucking news but they wanted like you know they wanted like what did you tell them i i just said you know i don't know i think people that are good at this stuff are good at it you know and i i just i can't tell you how to make something funny you know, because they were basically saying, like, we think that our reach will grow dramatically if we're funny.

Speaker 6 And I go, it might grow dramatically if you reported facts. You know, that might they laugh? No,

Speaker 6 they didn't. They were like, well, so that's all.
Are there any journalists you like or read or trust? Sure. I mean, there's people that I read all the time.
Like who? I read Andrew Sullivan a lot.

Speaker 6 I don't always agree with him, but I think he's well worth a read.

Speaker 6 I've read Seymour Hirsch, every article that he writes.

Speaker 6 Me too.

Speaker 6 I read

Speaker 6 Barry Weiss. I'll read the Free Press, whether I agree or not.
Taibbi. I'll read Taibbi.
I'll read your stuff, Daily Coller and people that have written there.

Speaker 6 I've read, like, you know, I'll read Thomas Friedman. I'll read Nicholas Crystal.
I'll read The Times. I don't read Washington Post.
I'll read Ann Applebaum in the Atlantic, and I disagree with her.

Speaker 6 I don't want to go to Russia tomorrow. I have an engagement.
Thank you. I have a lunch.

Speaker 6 She's very hyped about the Russia, I think. God bless.
But I have things. Why is she so mad at Russia? I don't know.
They all want to go to war with Russia. I I have things.
What is that?

Speaker 6 I have a kitchen renovation.

Speaker 6 And do you think, by the way, it's a little weird as you're an adult man

Speaker 6 with a job? Yeah. It's a little weird to have someone like Anna Applebaum or any of these people tell you what your opinion should be.
Yeah, it's very strange.

Speaker 6 I mean, she's very aggressive on this Russia issue. And

Speaker 6 there's this idea

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 6 I think we

Speaker 6 have this purpose.

Speaker 6 We have a deficit deficit of purpose in the country. Yes.
This is what I think. I think we have a deficit of purpose.
I think the elites feel it.

Speaker 6 The people that have lots and lots of, you know, time to think about these things feel the deficit of purpose.

Speaker 6 I think if you're working 20 hours a day to feed your family, you don't have a deficit of purpose. No, you don't.

Speaker 6 But I think if you're lounging around in a DC townhouse trying to figure out what problems that you need to go out and desperately solve, you have a deficit of purpose.

Speaker 6 And I think this idea gives them the sense that now we are back in World War II and there's good and there's evil. And this is the purpose.

Speaker 6 This is why we've all been on the planet to confront the country with the most nuclear weapons of any other country over two regions of the two northern provinces in Ukraine, which if you Google image them, I mean, take it.

Speaker 6 I mean, truly. Truly.
And I'll give him part of this country too. There's a lot of this country.
Which parts?

Speaker 6 A lot.

Speaker 6 There's parts of it it that we don't need. I'll give him part.
If Putin wants it, we'll give him parts of California. North Jersey? Yeah, we'll give him some parts of that.

Speaker 6 I think we should actually, let's really fuck him. Let's give him upstate New York.
Let's give him a lot of Michigan. Let's give him stuff where he goes, hey, man, I'm good.

Speaker 6 Could he fix Schenectady, do you think? I don't know if anyone could. I was just in Schenectady, and I like the people there, but I don't know if anyone could.

Speaker 6 I actually said on stage, it would be nice if Putin invaded this.

Speaker 6 What kind of response did you get? They all laughed.

Speaker 6 they're great they're great comedy yeah they get it but yeah i mean i think there's definite purpose i think people like and aboba i'm sure she's lovely lady or whatever i don't think so she's a little vicious in the the the way she writes loathsome yeah never met her but it's very aggressive it's very like we got to go to

Speaker 6 we got to go to russia and we got to fight putin and i i'm like is it weird some rich girl in dc is telling other people to fight war that's weird to me i go are you is this a bad day thing are you

Speaker 6 i you know, I, I wake up and I go, I should jog, I should work, I should do better things that I don't end up doing.

Speaker 6 And I go, I should, you know, I should have a breakfast of just, you know, some macrobiotic LA sludge that is more healthier. I never think I should go to war with Russia.
No, I know.

Speaker 6 I've never thought of that. I've never thought of that.
I, you know, I go, I should take a road trip. I should connect with an old friend.
I've never thought

Speaker 6 that I should go to war with Russia. I've never believed.
I never thought that was a good way to get to the rest of the world. Do you think there's a reason

Speaker 6 that they don't want you to go to Russia?

Speaker 6 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I think that they like,

Speaker 6 we need enemies. We have a huge national security apparatus that relies on conflicts.
We sell a lot of weapons.

Speaker 6 We have a huge investment in that. And,

Speaker 6 you know, we're arming the Ukraine in kind of an unwinnable war that everybody else knew was unwinnable and it was incredibly bloody and it didn't have to be.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 6 you know, this is something where the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, went and

Speaker 6 performed Rock in the Free World. I don't know if you saw that.
I did see it, yeah. I mean, did that inspire confidence? It's disturbing.
It's crazy.

Speaker 6 If my child died in a war and then the Secretary of State of the country that's supposedly backing us showed up to play music, I would kind of be in the middle of the war, by the way.

Speaker 6 The war's not over. It would be a little disturbing to me.
So it's just very strange.

Speaker 6 And then, you know, the Kamala Harris thing of like, well, this was a bigger country that invaded a smaller country. And that was her.

Speaker 6 I mean, Kamala Harris is like a Brentwood mom, you know, she's like a wine drunk kind of Brentwood mom. And so that's the way a mom would explain that.

Speaker 6 That's like a Brentwood, California, Pacific Palisades,

Speaker 6 you know, tuna tartare Chardonnay mom explains that. She goes, it's a bigger country.
And they've invaded a smaller country.

Speaker 6 So that's the level of understanding they want us to have of any conflict. But maybe, so maybe that's not the truth, is what you're suggesting.
Yeah, but imagine it's not. I imagine it's not.

Speaker 6 Everybody that I've spoken to, respect, people like RFK and everything. There's a whole narrative that nobody's read about.
Nobody understood. The war was ongoing since 2014.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's always because we weren't paying attention.

Speaker 6 Why did these Minsk Accords not get signed?

Speaker 6 Why?

Speaker 6 I mean, like, you know. What do you think it's really about?

Speaker 6 I think it's about, you know, I think, you know,

Speaker 6 when people like Ann Applebaum write that Russia is a failed state and we need to westernize it. This is in the Atlantic.
It's a failed state. She's written these things, and this is a common state.

Speaker 6 Maybe a state you don't like. It's the opposite of a failed state.
It's a coherent state. Yeah, you cannot like it.
It's been around for a thousand years.

Speaker 6 It's not my, I remember when it was my job to give shop in West Afghanistan, Afghanistan. Yes.
I remember that. Oh, you do?

Speaker 6 I remember when I was a senior year in high school, and everybody goes, here's what we're doing. We're going to Afghanistan and Iraq.
We're going to democratize the Middle East. This was the project.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Now these psychopaths want to democratize Russia.
Back then they were Republicans. Now they're calling themselves Democrats.
It doesn't seem to matter. They float between the two parties.

Speaker 6 Bill Crystals on MSNBC now all the time. And I'm old enough to remember that what, I mean, how did we leave Afghanistan 20 years later? Does it seem democratized? The Taliban's in power.

Speaker 6 We should have a five-year moratorium on any conflicts.

Speaker 6 After it's 20 years and the Taliban goes back in power, it should be like, it's like if you have a party. You're a party armed by us.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 If you have a party at your house and it burns down, your parents should go, you're done now.

Speaker 6 You're done.

Speaker 6 In our new house, you don't have any parties. You got to really establish that you've grown and learned from this.

Speaker 6 That was crazy to me. So when all these people make these arguments, I go, it doesn't really make sense that we would be doing this again.

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Speaker 6 Do you feel that changing? Like to the extent that you're with Brentwood wine moms now? Yeah. Are they less enthusiastic about the brave Ukrainian people? They don't care.
They don't care.

Speaker 6 No one really cares. It's just fun to pretend to care.
No one cares. No one,

Speaker 6 no one.

Speaker 6 Unless you're from the Ukraine or you live in the Ukraine, no one cares. at all.
It is not even a real thing.

Speaker 6 You know, if it comes up at a dinner, people go, terrible, terrible, horrible.

Speaker 6 Do they have the sticky toffee pudding? No, it's not real. It's not on our shore.
It doesn't affect us. It is no, we don't fight.
We just arm people. We send money.
We don't care.

Speaker 6 It's not, it's the Israel Gaza thing. It's not real.
People get very upset, but none of these things affect us because we can watch them, but they're not impacting our daily lives.

Speaker 6 They're not impacting our daily lives. And so the government, now, if the government said to us, now they're starting to do these really interesting things.
They're going, we need the draft.

Speaker 6 We want to do that again. Germany's thinking about that.
We're thinking, Military Times ran an article where they're like, Selective Service,

Speaker 6 we should reinstate the draft.

Speaker 6 I'm going to start to go fuck yourself. How's that sound? That's right.

Speaker 6 Go ahead and do that and then we can talk. People are starting to perk their ears up now.
That changes everything. People start to go, wait a minute, what's going on?

Speaker 6 Because they're clearly preparing for something huge. This is in the cards.
You can feel it.

Speaker 6 You talk to military people about it. They're kind of,

Speaker 6 they kind of go, well, it's,

Speaker 6 there's a, I don't even know if they know,

Speaker 6 but there's something ominous that they're preparing for.

Speaker 6 You can feel it, that they're preparing for something big.

Speaker 6 They're floating all these ideas about drafts. We haven't heard these for 20, 30 years.
Not even when supposedly, remember terrorists were going to blow up every city in America?

Speaker 6 We didn't hear about the draft. We didn't hear about the draft.

Speaker 6 When terrorists were going to blow up everything, you're going to be sitting at a lunch table is going to blow up. We didn't hear about the draft.
Now we're hearing about the draft.

Speaker 6 Something's coming. I don't know what's coming, but something ominous.
They're planning for something.

Speaker 6 And if you can kind of feel it. I mean, I don't know if that's something you've picked up on or you think.
I certainly have. Maybe you think maybe I'm being dramatic.
You're not being dramatic.

Speaker 6 And I mean, it's as simple as they can't lose the war against Russia that we're waging. We're waging a war against Russia.
It's not Ukraine. Ukraine's.

Speaker 6 Mac Crone and France going NATO troops in Ukraine. Remember when they were trying to enforce a no-fly zone? I remember doing a show in the Warner Theater in DC.
It was a great theater.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, what the, I mean, I'm like, you know,

Speaker 6 a no-fly zone, enforcing that guarantees a hot war, an actual war with Russia immediately overnight. That's right.
Immediately as soon as they're going to be. Which is what they want.
And

Speaker 6 it was two years ago, and they were saying, let's do it. I remember very well.
And I was like, I was going, wait a minute, guys, what the

Speaker 6 We're going to war with Russia tomorrow? I was like, what's going on? I said, we've done enough with the sanctions. What did we take out of it? We took out Taco Bell.
There you go.

Speaker 6 We said no McDonald's. Dramatically improved the country.
No McDonald's. We took out all the poisoned food.
And I said, listen,

Speaker 6 we've done enough. I remember talking to Louis about it.
I was like, making Louis, I go, but it's just so crazy.

Speaker 6 Like, there's just something about all these celebrities clamoring for a war with Russia. I go, there's something strange about this.

Speaker 6 There's something weird and i i don't know what it comes from this need to and i and but they are preparing you can feel it you can feel it when macron goes maybe we should have nato troops in france and when germany goes maybe we should have a draft and you go what's wait a minute what's happening what is happening some so but i mean you said a minute ago that there's no chance ukraine quote ukraine which is really nato which is really the united states

Speaker 6 can win against a nation with 100 million more people and deeper industrial capacity. It's like the whole thing was stupid from day one.
It's not winnable, right? Yeah.

Speaker 6 But what, which is true, but what if we quite obviously lose? Then it means after years of well, we've already almost lost in the way that if you think about this, Russia, Putin has purged

Speaker 6 people that were disloyal in the government. He's consolidated power.
He's opened a bigger trading relationship with China, India,

Speaker 6 Pakistan, Brazil, I believe.

Speaker 6 Economic production in the company is up.

Speaker 6 You know, the industrial production is up. He evaded all these sanctions pretty much.

Speaker 6 Wages have gone up. Wages have gone up.

Speaker 6 He's in a stronger position now than he's ever been

Speaker 6 after this policy. His country's thriving.
Ours is not. Yeah, like it's a weird thing

Speaker 6 to look at that situation and go,

Speaker 6 he kind of has already won in that sense. If the goal was to strengthen him, which it clearly wasn't, the goal was to bleed out the Russian military, it hasn't worked.
But I do think they're trying.

Speaker 6 There's something else that's going to happen. I don't know what they're going to do.

Speaker 6 So, but if it becomes really obvious, like with the Afghan pullout, that like we lost. That's right.
All those words that we've been throwing at you for the last two and a half years, they were fake.

Speaker 6 We are powerless. We are weak.
And now we have no credibility. It's totally discrediting for Tony Blinken.
Yes. Hillary Clinton.
Yes, all these people.

Speaker 6 Susan Rice, all the monsters in charge of wrecking your country are humiliated. You can't have that, right? Because it's about them.
It's not about us. It's about them.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And, you know, we're going to probably commit more money to that situation.

Speaker 6 And I could even see a situation where, and I hope we're not stupid enough to do this, but they are starting to float this idea of like, the money's not enough.

Speaker 6 And I don't know what's next, but we know what's next. We don't want what's next.
You know, when people go, well, we might need troops. We should have NATO troops.
Well, this is what they're doing.

Speaker 6 They're going, we should have NATO peacekeeping force. It's very interesting.
Recently, they've gone, what about some NATO peacekeeping forces there? Let's just put some of the...

Speaker 6 I mean, this is like... What does it mean to drop a, quote, peacekeeping force into a war? Where are the NATO peacekeeping forces in Gaza?

Speaker 6 Where are the NATO peacekeeping forces

Speaker 6 in Rafa? Are they not there? Where is that? NATO peacekeeping force in Ukraine.

Speaker 6 We know what happens next. And it's a full-blown war.
And it's terrible. It's World War III.
But it sounds like that's accelerating. It seems to be.

Speaker 6 I mean, again, I'm no genius, but I pick up on little clues that are out there and I go, huh? That seems. And Mike Johnson, the new speaker, is not going to stop it, you think?

Speaker 6 I don't think he's going to stop it. No, I don't think anyone's going to stop.
I don't think anyone's going to stop it. What's your read on him?

Speaker 6 I need more evidence. I mean, he seems sort of like an

Speaker 6 empty suit a little bit. I mean, that seems to be my

Speaker 6 vague or reflection, generic understanding of him as sort of like an empty suit. He's old.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I feel like he's, you know, there is, and it's not party specific, but there are interests that are just bigger than the parties.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 it is a lot of, you know,

Speaker 6 we have 22 intelligence agencies. Most people can name three.
Yes. Four.

Speaker 6 We have a Pentagon that's incredibly, you know, well, fine. I'm not saying we shouldn't have a military or intelligence agencies, but none of these people are elected.

Speaker 6 We don't really know what any of them are doing. And we don't really know the rationale for why they're doing certain things.

Speaker 6 And those things never come up to a vote. You know, nobody votes on, even like our immigration policy, nobody ever voted on that.
Nobody ever said, well, here's what I think should. No.

Speaker 6 They've refused to have a vote on it. Yeah, they haven't had a vote on it.

Speaker 6 How can people, I mean, so we're mad that, you know, about invasions around the world and we're spending untold billions to stop invasions.

Speaker 6 But at the same time, we've had millions of military-aged men come into our country because there's no border. Everyone's ignoring that as they're staring so intently at these foreign conflicts.

Speaker 6 What is that? Well, the most compassionate thing to do is invade countries, make them unlivable, and then have their people come over here and cut your grass. But clearly, that's that's going on.

Speaker 6 That's all that's going on. Yeah, it's where we're destabilizing whole regions of the world.
A lot of those regions, you know, are coming into America, and there's just no plan.

Speaker 6 I mean, obviously, there should be some type of, you know, I just don't think that all these people that,

Speaker 6 you know, in Greenwich, Connecticut, for example, you know, I don't know, I can't imagine just from knowing some of them, they barely like each other in the house. Right.

Speaker 6 There's no way they love El Salvadorians. There's just no way that they want L Day.
And it's not because they're El Salvadorian. It's just like they don't even like each other.

Speaker 6 They don't like the neighbor. There's no way that they love the nation of Guatemala.
They want people to work for less money. than they can pay Americans.
I mean, this is just truth. And

Speaker 6 they want, nobody wants to talk about it, but you look at LA, LA is, there's tons of that. Gardeners, people building houses, people, you know, and you know, you have it all over the place.

Speaker 6 Rich people get a lot out of having people come to this country and they don't have to pay them.

Speaker 6 So how is that different from feudalism?

Speaker 6 Having a lot of serfs. Not too different.
It's not too different. I'm sure there's a lot of people come to the country.
They're good people. They want to feed their families and work.

Speaker 6 And, you know, they end up being abused and they end up in a situation that is.

Speaker 6 And this is, you know, like, you know, this is like this kind of idea that we can just

Speaker 6 import

Speaker 6 all

Speaker 6 of these people, everybody, and then there's not going to be significant growing pains. And how many people we can assimilate into a physical space and a cultural space and a financial space.

Speaker 6 And nobody's being honest about any of those growing pains. Nobody's even saying it's a mixed bag.
Nobody's even saying it's good and bad. Everyone's going, no, it's great.

Speaker 6 And if you don't like it, you're a Nazi. That is why you see all over Europe and a lot of people electing leaders that are anti-immigration, anti-migration, because they themselves understand that

Speaker 6 there are downsides, significant. Sweden is now, you know, the most dangerous, one of the most dangerous countries.

Speaker 6 There's all kinds of articles being written about Sweden that the crime rates have gone up dramatically over the last 10 years. Well, what's happened over the last 10 years, right?

Speaker 6 So people. But why do the Swedes put up with it? Or why do Americans put up with it?

Speaker 6 What is it about

Speaker 6 people in the West? I'll just say it, white people, who

Speaker 6 just feel like they can't complain or something. Well, I think there's twofold.
Number one, certain people benefit from it. So certain people go, well, the maid, the nanny, I'm getting my nails done.

Speaker 6 We've got cheaper help at the beach club or whatever it is. There are people that have a direct benefit from it.
There are people that

Speaker 6 feel like

Speaker 6 they

Speaker 6 ignore any potential negative or downside because they feel like

Speaker 6 they have a lot of guilt for whatever reason. Maybe it's the colonial period of the 17th, 18th centuries, or they feel like

Speaker 6 that the right thing to do is just to ignore any potential downside to immigration because they feel guilty about how the country was established or how people were treated or any of that that feeds into that mindset.

Speaker 6 Even though if you go back, obviously, before the 17th and 18th century, slavery was all over the world. Conquest was all over the world.
People were killing each other.

Speaker 6 Different races were subjugating and killing other races. People fought over land, religion, the way people, I mean, it was a madhouse.
It was plunder. It was violence.
This was the way of the world.

Speaker 6 But most people don't have any knowledge of like the ancient world. They don't have any knowledge of anything past.
That period of colonialism is where most people start their knowledge of history.

Speaker 6 And in that period, the West is seen as the, you know, the enemy of anything that is good.

Speaker 6 And so the guilt that gets embedded into people is then, I think, manifested in these conversations about immigration, where it's like, listen, it's to me, it's very economic.

Speaker 6 There's times when the country will need more immigrants. And there's times when the country will need less, but there's probably

Speaker 6 a way to kind of decide who comes into the country. We should be able to check their background to make sure that they are not a terrorist, they're not dangerous, they're not doing these things.

Speaker 6 I don't think that's an unreasonable ass. Well, if you're importing millions of people, over 10 million people,

Speaker 6 with no education and no skills, high-tech skills, at exactly the moment when technology, AI, is going to eliminate millions of jobs, especially low-end jobs. Yeah.
What is that? That seems crazy.

Speaker 6 What seems like intent intentional harm?

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, it certainly seems that the people don't really care. I don't think people care.
I think that's, you know, you drive through.

Speaker 6 I think a lot of people have just written off large swaths of the country. I travel around doing comedy all over the country.
You see places where people go, oh, they've given up on this.

Speaker 6 They've given up. They don't care.
I mean, I remember Detroit when people just went, oh, that's bankrupt. It's done.
You know, it's coming back now, but it was an American city.

Speaker 6 People just went, we don't care. And people gave up.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 this happens all over the place. And I think.

Speaker 6 So you're in a real estate investor and a non-stop traveler. I travel a lot.
Yeah. So where are the places that you think are promising over the next 20 years?

Speaker 6 South Florida, anywhere south of Jupiter. I mean, I think.
East Coast. Yeah.
East Coast.

Speaker 6 There's a business climate there that people like. People just like.

Speaker 6 People like

Speaker 6 the thing that's happened with California, which was a beautiful and amazing and a great state. It's like

Speaker 6 there's this idea that you can't do it in California. It's so hard.
There's so many regulations. Everything costs so much money.
The houses cost so much money.

Speaker 6 It really is a dream and it's kind of a pipe dream. And

Speaker 6 New York is becoming like that too. There are these places that have become so unattainable for people

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 6 they're going elsewhere and they're going to Texas, going to Florida. And it's not always political either.
Some of it is, but some of it is economic. Doesn't that sound political?

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, it's people that are like... Sounds way deeper.
I can't afford to live here. And then the value of what I'm getting for my money is not worth it anymore.

Speaker 6 You know, if I'm living in Venice Beach, California, but somebody climbs over my wall and decapitates my wife, I don't care that the Mexican food is better. Right.
There is something.

Speaker 6 You know, there's a trade-off. There.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 So I think that's happening, but South Florida is good. I think that,

Speaker 6 you know, there's Texas. I think central Texas is still going to grow.
I think it slowed down. Austin was like a boom during the pandemic.
Central Texas, I think, will grow.

Speaker 6 I think like Idaho, I think any of those areas, obviously Montana, all those areas are getting very expensive.

Speaker 6 But, you know, Idaho, I think, you know, climate-wise is going to be pretty good. Any of those mountainous regions that are incredibly...

Speaker 6 pretty and you know i think they're they're not going to be 115 degrees and stuff so i think a lot of people will probably migrate in that area I think Hudson, New York, that area, anywhere that's an hour and a half, two hours out of a city because people are working remote or they're working two or three days a week, areas like that.

Speaker 6 I think that Hudson Valley is going to be big. You know, what about the West Coast?

Speaker 6 You know, I mean, listen, Arizona, certainly, if you could take the heat,

Speaker 6 not a coast, you know? No, no, no. I mean, I mean, Washington, Oregon, California.
I think Washington State, of all of those, Washington State

Speaker 6 is the most

Speaker 6 resilient. I think Portland is tough.
I think that unless they reverse a lot of their policies, it's going to be tough.

Speaker 6 But I think the lifestyle of the West Coast, Washington State's a beautiful state. Seattle's a little bit of a mess, but most people live there not to live in Seattle.

Speaker 6 They live there to live in the mountains and the lakes. It's beautiful.
I think Washington State, I think their tax system is a little better. And I think that there's a lot of people.

Speaker 6 I would say that that area

Speaker 6 holds and builds in the West Coast, you know. And I think in, in you know i think orange county california which is about an hour and a half south of la

Speaker 6 where the da actually prosecutes crime and people feel better raising their families there and they get that you know lifestyle of being by the beach and things like that i think that holds um and hopefully san francisco's get reversed and gets better and i don't know i i tend to think that it may come back i don't know but you know that would be a hope what about home ownership like you grew up in a world you're not even that old yeah people owned their homes, like middle-class people owned homes.

Speaker 6 Is that over?

Speaker 6 It seems to be

Speaker 6 over

Speaker 6 in the sense that

Speaker 6 it's becoming more and more difficult, I think, for people now

Speaker 6 to

Speaker 6 there's trade-offs to owning a home. Owning a home is not perfect for everybody.
It's not right for everybody. It's not, you know, always ideal.

Speaker 6 It is ideal for people that have the finances to do it and to live, you know, and to,

Speaker 6 um, I think it's because I think people are looking at their lives now and they're going, the amount of money and work and all the things that we're going to have to do to own this home just may kill us.

Speaker 6 And that it shouldn't be that way. But I think that's what's happening.
So I think the trade-offs now are much higher. Why isn't anyone running on home ownership? That was like a pillar of Americans.

Speaker 6 Because you got to shut down the real estate lobby. You got to shut down all these people.
You have to stop.

Speaker 6 But they're like the worst people in the world. I know.
They're the worst. But people won't tell,

Speaker 6 you know, there's this idea that,

Speaker 6 and I think, again, it's like we are a capitalist country. I'm a capitalist.
I think it's great to make money.

Speaker 6 But I do think that there is a point where consolidation, you have all these companies, you have three or four companies running everything, doing everything.

Speaker 6 You're preventing the spirit of capitalism. You're preventing small businesses.
You're preventing competition. You're preventing all these things.

Speaker 6 And you become like kind of a, you know, you have this conglomerate of all of these different

Speaker 6 multinational corporations that just are these nameless, faceless blobs that own the government.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's just hard to imagine, you know, people opening a restaurant, starting a bed and breakfast, you know, opening a hardware store, opening a business. They can't do it.

Speaker 6 And I think that now, owning a home is the new opening of business, where it's like, I remember like 20 years ago, people were like, we can't open a business. Would you nuts?

Speaker 6 Now it's like people are going, oh, I can't own a home. So, because I remember people in this country used to open businesses.
That was also a thing.

Speaker 6 People used to actually have a business and work for themselves. That has all all been put out.
I mean, there are still people doing that, but it's very few. And corporations run everything.

Speaker 6 You go to New York City, everything's a chase bank. Everything's a steakhouse that has 15 locations.

Speaker 6 Everything is a, you know, and it used to be like mom and pop diners and stuff that had great food and weren't that expensive. And like, you know, maybe you waited a little longer.

Speaker 6 Maybe there was an attitude. Maybe there's a crazy person there who ran the place, who was kind of an eccentric, but it was fun.
Now everything is corporate.

Speaker 6 I mean, every sushi restaurant looks like every steakhouse, and they all look like hedge funds. You know what I mean? Like you go into every place and you're like, what?

Speaker 6 What does my hedge fund look like?

Speaker 6 Just kind of marble and like a neurology clinic, right?

Speaker 6 So everything,

Speaker 6 and I know you're big on architecture. So that's one of my things, too, is it's like the sameness of everything, how hollow and corporate it is.

Speaker 6 It's designed to just, you know, exist primarily on a screen.

Speaker 6 And, you know, it's like, you know, you lost a lot. That's the thing that people go, oh, who cares? People, small businesses.
Like, no, but the country you live in is fundamentally different.

Speaker 6 You see different things. Physically different.
Physically different. Why does nobody notice that? Nobody notices.
Nobody cares.

Speaker 6 People are just, they're just being ushered into this new thing, and nobody's asking. Everything is the same.
10 corporations, it's the same 20 restaurants. You know,

Speaker 6 you go to any town and you have the football stadium, the baseball stadium, you have the two-chain steakhouses everyone's heard of, a cheesecake factory, a mall, a bed area, some like historic place that no one goes, you know, and a Marriott at Hilton, a nice old hotel that's kind of broken down, but is kind of like charming and it has a brunch on a Sunday, and then it's surrounded by 45 minutes to an hour of urban decay.

Speaker 6 That's every city in America outside of 10.

Speaker 6 Where's the resistance? Like when I was a kid, there was a group called Earth First, which I made fun of because they were like liberals or whatever.

Speaker 6 Now I sort of love them, but there's nothing like it left. And they would just go put sugar in the the gas tank of bulldozers.
You know, we're trying to clear-cut woods to build a development.

Speaker 6 And their point, they were kind of Kaczynskiites.

Speaker 6 Well, corporations have done a great job of going, we love you. We like you.
We actually think you're great. We think it's great.

Speaker 6 We're progressive.

Speaker 6 Everything you're into, we're into.

Speaker 6 Everything that you know, the internet says is good, we're kind of, we vibe with.

Speaker 6 We totally are, we're open to everything. We're going to do everything you want.
If you want a black female CEO, you're going to get one.

Speaker 6 You're not going to, we're not stopping the sweatshops, but you're going to get, you're going to get a black female CEO. You might, you know, you, we can get anything you want.

Speaker 6 We will do anything you want. You want a polyamorous orgy here at Chase? We'll do it.
We'll do it. We're going to foreclose on everyone's house, but we'll do that.

Speaker 6 And they keep moving the goalposts around where you're kind of confused. You go, what exactly is happening? And that's why I'm amazed at their ability to do.

Speaker 6 When we grew up, we always looked at these corporate Wall Street guys. You're all fucking criminals.
Yes. And, you know, we're watching our own backs, even though we know you need to make money.

Speaker 6 And maybe there's a way for us to make money together, but we always got to watch our backs. The tech people are now very much like, we're utopians, we're great, we're good, everything's good.

Speaker 6 We drink green juices, we ride bikes, we care about the environment, we care about you.

Speaker 6 And that's it. And, you know, all the 14-year-olds are killing themselves because of our product, but we're good people.
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Speaker 6 you know, which is rape. Yeah, what's coming next is just get in this van.

Speaker 6 So, I think we have a situation where the tech people are kind of saying, Get in the van.

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Speaker 6 I hate this is, I can't believe what I'm saying, but that's like a brilliant analysis. Yeah.

Speaker 6 He's smart.

Speaker 6 I'm not inviting you into the van. Yeah.
That's a sincere praise.

Speaker 6 So that's like

Speaker 6 a much more effective, but also a much more sort of female approach. Yeah.
Rather than just like,

Speaker 6 you know, just do old-fashioned fascism or old-fashioned feudalism. Yeah.
Like, I'm the Lord, you're the serf. Yeah.
If you don't like it, I'm going to flog you. Yeah.

Speaker 6 There's something kind of straightforward and less threatening about that. Right.

Speaker 6 Yes. I mean, there's something straightforward about knowing people's intentions.
Intentions are big. And if they're out in the open, I'm much more comfortable.
If I know why, if I walk into,

Speaker 6 if you walk on a car lot and somebody comes up to you to sell you a car,

Speaker 6 it's completely understandable.

Speaker 6 Whether that person's honest or not, whether they're going to give you a good deal or not, you know exactly what they're trying to do and you know what their end goal is. They want to sell you a car.

Speaker 6 So they can give you a bunch of people. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 When someone's trying to remake the world you live in for your benefit,

Speaker 6 and you have no idea why they're trying to do it, and you have no idea what it will look like. You have no concept of what this world is going to look like.

Speaker 6 We were all promised this world is this tech world is going to connect everybody, everybody, all this stuff, and the free and open exchange of ideas and information, what it's kind of become is this lonely, isolating thing where everybody, you know, teenagers are being severely damaged by

Speaker 6 these products that are out there. It's not good.
There are people that are, their mental health has deteriorated on these platforms, right?

Speaker 6 And, you know, there doesn't seem to be any accountability. Nobody cares.
There's a few books about it. There's a few people that are upset about it.

Speaker 6 It's also very co-opted by, you know, you also have the political angle too, where it's like everybody's talking about banning TikTok.

Speaker 6 And I'm sure TikTok has spyware and what else, but everyone's talking about it because kids are now sitting down at the table with their family and watching the Gaza stuff.

Speaker 6 And And they're going, why are we shooting this baby in the face? And their family is going, well, you know, I don't. There's a very good reason.
There's a good reason for it.

Speaker 6 And I want you to focus on your driving test.

Speaker 6 And you go, yeah, but they're lighting these people on fire. And so now all these kids are getting information from TikTok and nobody likes it.
Nobody likes it. So now it's going.

Speaker 6 Now it's going to go. Oh, so it's not banning TikTok is not.
an effort, a last-ditch effort to save us from China. I don't think they know.
They don't care about your kids' mental health.

Speaker 6 I don't think they ever have. I don't think think they're interested in your kids' mental health.
They're not interested in your mental health. They're not interested in the mental health of anybody.

Speaker 6 So they're certainly not interested in your kid's mental health. And they're not banning TikTok because they care about your kids' mental health.
That's just completely untrue.

Speaker 6 Now, you know, I'm not saying that TikTok's an innocuous thing. I'm sure there's things in TikTok that I'm unaware of, but their reasons for it are not

Speaker 6 the ones they're saying.

Speaker 6 What's your relationship with technology? I use it for work. I have to use it.

Speaker 6 But like, be specific. Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's enabled me to make

Speaker 6 a career out of what I do. So

Speaker 6 I'm very excited about it. I think we have to live with it.
It's not something we can become Luddites and just get, you know, I go on my, you know, I have, you know, I'll

Speaker 6 post clips of things I've done. I will read a lot.
So I read, I go to Drudge. I read all these things.
Yeah. Every day I read a lot.
And then I go to Instagram and, you know, things like that.

Speaker 6 And I post where I'm going to be and sell, you know, here, I'm going to be here. If you want to come see me or if I'm going to do whatever.

Speaker 6 And then, you know, I go in and record a podcast usually once or twice a week, twice a week, every week. And then, you know, the clips are cut.
I post the clips and everything like that.

Speaker 6 It's a relatively healthy relationship. You can't start reading about yourself.
I don't read about myself. Rogan taught me that.
He's like, don't read about yourself. And he's right.

Speaker 6 Good or bad. He's right to just ignore it and do what you're going to to do.
So

Speaker 6 he's right about 100% of that. So I don't really read about it, but you know, I don't, I didn't grow up.
I remember growing up without it.

Speaker 6 I remember not having access to a smartphone until I was probably in, you know, BlackBerry was, I was in college. You're not even 40, though, right? Yeah, I'm 39, but I was kind of late to the game.

Speaker 6 So it sounds like you

Speaker 6 probably in the last year of American children not to marinate in technology from birth. Yeah, we were the last year.
We were half in, half out. Like we were certainly not marinating in it from birth.

Speaker 6 We were a generation of people that started, and some of us were more savvy than others, but it started in

Speaker 6 middle school, but it didn't come on anywhere nearly as strong as it comes on for kids now because we didn't have smartphones attached to us.

Speaker 6 I mean, I had a flip phone in high school. It was like, who cared? You could call your friends

Speaker 6 to text, but you weren't inundated all day with these things but do you make an it sounds like you make an effort just to answer your question for you yeah to connect with people directly rather than just yes i love going and seeing people hugh i i believe in that i'll go out i'll leave the earth doing that meaning like i don't want to be a part of uh i mean i might have to to some degree to be for my career but i don't want to be in a metaverse i don't want to be in a virtual world i don't that that has no appeal to me sounds like you literally fly around to see people i do yeah i I do.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 No one does that. Yeah, I know.
It's interesting. I know.
It's important to see people stay in their bubbles. I like to see people all the time.
I like to talk to people. But physically.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You got to be in. There's something about a friendship that I believe needs a physical dimension.

Speaker 6 It doesn't mean you have to see them all the time, but like the idea that you can have dinner with someone, even if it's once or twice a year, but the idea that you can be in their presence is important to me.

Speaker 6 And it's not just somebody that exists, you know, online in the digital. And you don't just do that for work reasons.
No. I do it socially.
I do it to see people. Yeah.
I want to know what's going on.

Speaker 6 I don't think you know what's going on reading text. I agree completely.
Yeah. Is that why you've managed to stay sane despite being on the road all the time?

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, sane is a relative term, but I think it helps to see people and get out of the world of, you know, whatever the entertainment business is and just see friends and people that are raising kids and have businesses and have lives and live in different parts of the country and are excited about different things and have challenges challenges I don't have and have the aspirations that I find very interesting and helping them in any way that I can or going there to like, you know, just hang out with them and their families.

Speaker 6 It's important to me to go and see the actual people living life. I'm a big fan of that.
And I, yeah, I think people staying in a place, I understand that people have to do it.

Speaker 6 There was economic conditions in my life where I had to do it.

Speaker 6 But now that I have the ability to kind of go and travel and meet people, it's, I think it's a cool thing to do. How do you not go crazy on the road all the time

Speaker 6 um

Speaker 6 it's difficult i think it's difficult i

Speaker 6 because i have to record the show every

Speaker 6 i'm always somewhere where i have to do the podcast twice a week so i try to like i said when i'm on the road i try to bookend things where i can visit friends see people old friends of mine will come out to a show and we'll go out and grab dinner take a walk around their neighborhood there is something to me about try to connect with the people that wasn't as important to me.

Speaker 6 Now I'm older, it's become really important. It was important to me, you know, if you came to me even five, six years ago, I would go, who cares?

Speaker 6 You know, now if someone out of nowhere goes, hey, we went to high school together,

Speaker 6 and I'm like, and they're even weirded out by it. I saw your performing and everything.
And I go, what are you doing? And they're like,

Speaker 6 I don't know. I'm like, I got nothing to do on Saturday.
And I will go to their house. We'll take walks.

Speaker 6 I want to connect with people now. So you do not spend 12 hours in a hotel room.
No, no, no, no. I try my hardest to meet people that I know or go to a place I find interesting.

Speaker 6 You must know a million people who spend their lives like you do on the road, and they all kind of go insane or get addicted to something weird. I don't think you can do it forever.
So I think I'm 39.

Speaker 6 I think I've got a few years left. I don't think I'll be doing this forever on the road.
I do believe that. I do believe that there's an end point to it.
Sorry, agents.

Speaker 6 But I do believe that eventually you have to say, like, okay, I've done enough and I've seen enough and this has been great, but I'm going to do it a lot less frequently.

Speaker 6 So I don't think, but there's a lot of people that listen, everybody battles with things on the road. The road is a difficult place to be because you're taken out of your environment.

Speaker 6 You're dropped in this thing and the comforts that people look to, I mean, we're all, everybody battles different things out there, you know, drugs, food, sex,

Speaker 6 lying, you know, cheating, gambling, whatever it is that you are,

Speaker 6 you know, have issues with, the road makes it come out. So you have to like, you have to keep vigilant about certain things so that you're not in like uh, you know, you don't get into trouble.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, that's why touring musicians die at

Speaker 6 27, right? That's right, yeah,

Speaker 6 for sure. They live hard.
How many years have you done it? I've been on the road now, probably about

Speaker 6 consistently since about 2018, 2017, 2018. Okay.
So we're under, it's under 10 years. Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's been a little bit, even before that, I was doing stuff, but it was much less,

Speaker 6 yeah, I wasn't like going all over the place. I was like staying kind of, I was in New York and I would go like to Connecticut or Pennsylvania or Boston or D.C.

Speaker 6 But now I'm doing a lot more and I'm all over the country. And then we travel internationally too.
So it's definitely. What's the worst you've ever bombed?

Speaker 6 I did,

Speaker 6 good question. I did,

Speaker 6 used to do these fundraisers in Long Island. You would get booked, and they were very bad rooms for comedy that have these circular tables where people are eating dinner with each other.

Speaker 6 And then you would be in the corner of the room with the microphone

Speaker 6 and they would bring you up. And a lot of times, you'd be following a performer or a somebody.
This was a woman who was crying.

Speaker 6 Her daughter died of cancer, and she was like, she was a fighter, and we love her. And everyone's clapping.
And then the guy gets up and goes, now we have a comedian.

Speaker 6 And I went up, and I'm doing jokes about like frozen yogurt and stuff. And it just didn't, it was bad.
It was bad. It was bad because it was utter disinterest.

Speaker 6 There's bombing where people hate you and you can almost feed off the energy of hatred. And then there's utter disinterest.
There's utter like, God, this was a bad idea and we're checked out.

Speaker 6 And the worst thing is you knowing it was a bad idea. It was a terrible idea.
I shouldn't be there and we shouldn't have done this. What's what joke is offending people more than any other?

Speaker 6 I have a bit about the Ukraine people don't like. Really? I do, yeah.
What do you say?

Speaker 6 Well, I can't say it here because then no one will see me, but no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 6 What do I say? I say,

Speaker 6 what do I say? I say,

Speaker 6 I described a scene where I say, this guy Zelensky, you know, I said, I don't like him. He's ripped.
He's good-looking and he wants money.

Speaker 6 There's nothing worse than a good-looking guy that can't have, he doesn't know where to get any money.

Speaker 6 I go, he pops up in the middle of the Grammy Awards when you're just trying to watch wet-ass pussy with your children.

Speaker 6 And I said, you called them into the room and you bring out your pregnant 12-year-old and she's twerking in the living room.

Speaker 6 And your other kid comes out and they're non-verbal and they're just in the back kind of swaying. And this guy from a country you've never heard of wants money.

Speaker 6 And I go, Vladimir Putin's maybe not a great guy, but so far he's asked me for $0.

Speaker 6 I agree. And,

Speaker 6 you know, people, some people did not like it. They didn't like it.
Some people didn't like it. Some people like it, but it's fine.
You know, to me, it's fine.

Speaker 6 It's just funny, the idea of what a mess a lot of the people are in this country that were asking for money.

Speaker 6 And that makes me laugh, the idea that they're like, I'm just describing this crazy scene. And then the guy, and then they're like, wait,

Speaker 6 you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 It's just funny to me. It's just funny to me, the idea that it's like.
this, you got to get, you know, these people. It's so important.
It's absolutely more important.

Speaker 6 It's more important than your own children. Yeah.
So that was kind of the have you, you've never been to Russia, right? I've never been. I tried to go.
We went on a tour.

Speaker 6 We were in Finland, which is close, very

Speaker 6 border. And I was standing in my hotel lobby going, I want to go to St.
Petersburg for dinner.

Speaker 6 The woman's like, we're a NATO country. I go, great.

Speaker 6 I would really like to go. I said, I'll fly private.
I'll pay. She goes, no, no, no, you can't go to Russia.
So, and then I think one of your buddies texted me.

Speaker 6 One of your guys said that, because I asked, I said, how do I get in? He goes, you have to go through.

Speaker 6 a non-NATO country. You got to go through whatever, Turkey or Serbia.
And I was like, ah, that's a whole thing. So, but I wanted to to go.
I wanted to go to dinner.

Speaker 6 It's a great restaurant I wanted to go to. Are you going to go? I would love to go.
Yeah. I mean, I've never, um,

Speaker 6 I've never been, but I like it. You know, it's, there's tons of beautiful architecture and you know, amazing, great restaurants.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I want to go back.
You should come. Let's go.
I'm, I'm into it. I'm into it.
Would your agent drop you if you went? No.

Speaker 6 You sure? No, I don't think so. He might book me in Russia.
No, my agent's a real money-grubbing monster.

Speaker 6 Really? He's a real monster. If you said to your agent, I might be in Latvia on a corner like this, but with a microphone.
But yeah, what was he saying?

Speaker 6 So your agent has never had moral qualms with anything you do. My agent wouldn't know what a moral qualm was if you took out a dictionary and explained it to him.
He's a good guy.

Speaker 6 Would it be his favorite thing that I was in Russia? Perhaps not, but he wouldn't drop me. Is there anything you could do that would make him drop you? Sure, absolutely.

Speaker 6 You know, I mean, I think they drop you for all kinds of reasons, but I don't know.

Speaker 6 I would say the most dangerous thing for me to do that would get my agency to drop me would be to like, like, assert my humanity.

Speaker 6 I am not an animal. I am a man.
Yeah, that would be tough. I think that would be hard.
Last question. Do you,

Speaker 6 so of all the comedians working today,

Speaker 6 the top ones, what percentage of those are sort of saying exactly what they really think? Most of them. And I think that

Speaker 6 the really good ones are funny. And I think the most important thing is to be funny.
And then, you know, a lot of times that comes from a place of saying what you feel. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And sometimes it comes from a place of creating great characters. And it can come from many different places.

Speaker 6 But certainly if, you know, you say what you want, and you take ownership of it and you say it in a way that people find funny or interesting, That's the job. That's the only job.

Speaker 6 That's why it's a great job is because

Speaker 6 it's really like the second oldest job and the oldest job I, you know, I don't think I'd be great at.

Speaker 6 I certainly wouldn't command the prices I do in the second oldest job, which is being kind of a town crier.

Speaker 6 Just, it's all we do is, you know, we're standing in the town square and going, hey, hey, what's going on?

Speaker 6 And so I think a lot of them are saying, well, and I think that that's, that's going to be the major shift. I think people, that's what people are connecting to.

Speaker 6 And I think it's just interesting, like the guys who dominated the business 10 years ago,

Speaker 6 not all, but many seem to be in terminal decline. And those,

Speaker 6 some of them seem like people who are sort of reading a script or who approached their job with a lot of things they were not allowed to say.

Speaker 6 Well, I think it's

Speaker 6 the platforms change.

Speaker 6 What was TV is now the internet. Yes.
What was film is now all digital for the most part. There are films and everything.

Speaker 6 And the platforms, the internet has a lot more freedom. There are a lot of restrictions, and there are all kinds of profit models and monetization issues with all kinds of sites and whatever.
But

Speaker 6 if you look at it,

Speaker 6 overall, there's a lot more freedom on the internet than there is in a corporate advertiser-supported

Speaker 6 network.

Speaker 6 So the freedom to say things now has increased.

Speaker 6 And I think a lot of the people that existed 10 years ago weren't part of that system. So maybe if they were,

Speaker 6 maybe they would have had,

Speaker 6 you know, maybe they would have felt more comfortable.

Speaker 6 I think they just came up at a time when there were sensors and everything you said had to go through standards and practices and sales and advertising. And, you know, you had to have all these.

Speaker 6 And you can still do really funny, great stuff with all of that. But on the internet, it's kind of the Wild West.
So you have more freedom now now than you did. It feels like a lot of freedom.

Speaker 6 It feels like people are saying kind of exactly what they think right now. I think so.
And so how long can that continue? I mean, that's a threat.

Speaker 6 I think it's also we all feel not to be cryptic, but I do feel like, not that we're, you know, I don't want to do the whole like we're living in our last days thing, but it does feel like times are too

Speaker 6 like, I feel like we, you know,

Speaker 6 things are getting hot all over the world. Yes.
And I think people realize the value now of being just, let's get out with it.

Speaker 6 It's like when people, when they're dying, they just kind of say what they need to say.

Speaker 6 I think as our society is dying a little bit, people are saying what they need to say. I think the time for politeness has gone out the window and niceties.

Speaker 6 And I think people are kind of embracing just the truth of what they have to say because we are living, you know, in times that are, that are certainly, you know, wild and perilous.

Speaker 6 And, you know, you're looking at Russia and China and all these things, North Korea, and you're looking at problems in in your own country with fentanyl and this, that, and the other thing.

Speaker 6 And it's like, you know, the idyllic idea of America has kind of been shattered. And I think a lot of people are picking up the pieces of that.

Speaker 6 And they're like, listen, if I'm going to live in this country and I'm going to exist in this time, I'm going to speak and say what I want.

Speaker 6 Are we going to look back in five years and see this as like this sort of brief renaissance of free speech before the onslaught of totalitarianism?

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 hopefully not.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I mean, it does seem all of a sudden like out of nowhere, and even in the past two months,

Speaker 6 that there is actual free speech. Yeah, I don't think, I hope that that isn't the case.
I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball.

Speaker 6 But how can you continue to run this country in the way that you are if you're the people who are running it and allow people to criticize you this precisely?

Speaker 6 You have to make it financially beneficial. You know, I mean, I think that's the whole thing right like

Speaker 6 they are going to co-opt the methods of distribution to a degree that you know if we call them

Speaker 6 pedophiles they'll make money from it

Speaker 6 wow is that dark that's like they're not going to get called pedophiles for free that's the darkest thing i've ever heard so they're not going to shut down the speech they're just going to monetize it monetize the attack something

Speaker 6 to be a happy medium

Speaker 6 I'm going to stop there to give myself time to think about what you just said. Thank you very much for having me, by the way.
And thank you for dinner and everything. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 I know you hate compliments, but that was,

Speaker 6 there was some profound.

Speaker 6 Well, thank you. Thank you,

Speaker 6 Tim Dylan. Appreciate it.
Thank you, buddy.

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