Aaron Rodgers: Epstein’s Death, Psychedelics, Fake Vax Cards in the NFL, and Pat Tillman

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We've never done anything in here before. This is actually our dining room table, as you know.
You had dinner here last night. Yeah.
You cleared a bunch of stuff out though, right? We just moved the chairs out, but we actually, I mean, this our family dining room uh so and i just thought i don't want to be in a studio anymore yeah studio is right there studio is right there it's like tiny and there's something i've been in it my whole life all right let me just i just got to ask you about this this is like thank you for dinner last time by the way thank you that was amazing that was really special i don't know how you got home it was like that was pretty all right lexi got me right oh you're wandering around in a t-shirt in the freezing cold okay this is just i just okay so i asked him to pull a bunch of news stories i've been a little bit out of it uh this is from the guardian scientists have created a vaccine that has the potential to protect against a broad range of coronaviruses including varieties not yet known about the experimental shot which has been tested in mice so so it's a vaccine that doesn't protect you against anything specific but just against kind of like everything that might happen to you. yeah what just leaving the science aside but it's a pure kind of like marketing question if you're in i'm gonna see who who makes this um i guess they're all the same but some company makes this if you're the company making this do you really think people are going to be up at this point for a vaccine that just has no real purpose but just like kind of for the sake of a vaccine because it's today yeah today no i don't think so do you think a single person will buy that yeah for sure there'll be some people there's just so much fear still i mean people yeah people are scared still i think there's a swath of population there's still people drive around in masks yeah no that's true and i'm i try not to be judgmental because i think of course i'm very judgmental i i i think they're mentally ill but then i feel you know i've known a lot of had friends family members of mental mentally ill so i i try to think you know i should feel compassion for them i have a lot more compassion for them actually yeah and and empathy um and strong against the vacs against mandates against lockdowns against of course all of it I think the last few months I've been looking at things a little bit differently and I think it's time for a lot of us to to maybe adjust some of the approach that we're doing I mean it obviously hasn't worked we've been trying to wake people up, I think, with the studies that are out there now.
Exactly, with the science. All the time, with the articles, with the change in stances by everybody from Chris Cuomo on down, who have either had vaccine injuries or side effects or just look at things differently.
And it's caused me to, I think, have a little bit more empathy and compassion for those people who had a ton of fear, thought they were doing the right thing for themselves, for their friends, for their families, and went through all the mass formation psychosis that we all did. Yes, that's right.
Full court propaganda against us and are now going, oh shit, maybe that wasn't the the best maybe they lied to us maybe maybe they weren't being truthful maybe this wasn't safe even though they said from the beginning 100 safe and effective everybody from biden to the head of the fda and cdc on down who so i think it's important for us to if we want to make a difference which i do and and I don't necessarily want to be way a part of the conversation anymore, is how do we call people forward to like with compassion and kindness that just come over to the side of being awake to what's going on? Because I think we all need to come to the grips that this could happen again.

Well, I think people are, you know, most people took the vax, obviously, and what would that feel like if you had that in your body? I mean, it's like the horror movie, it's coming from inside the house. Yeah.
I mean, if you had taken the vax, how would you feel right now? You'd be worried. I would be worried for sure.
And then if I was so staunchly for it, and now I'm realizing, oh, I might have endangered myself, my loved ones, my kids, if you force it upon kids, like they did. The powers that be pushed it towards all different ages.
The studies just came out about the pregnant women, where 44% of the women in the study had miscarriages who were given the vaccine. It's like there's a lot of crazy research that's out right now that would make people feel a lot of shame, I think, and guilt.
And I grew up kind of in that culture in a different way of where- So now you're on it. It's shame and guilt.
Yeah, that was a part of everyday everyday life was those two feelings and that's a tough way to live so how do we call these people forward to like uh in love and acceptance not forgetting what happened how we were treated how we were canceled how we i mean everybody from yourself to me the joe the mutual friends that we have um but like calling people forward to like step into the the truth um and and and that there isn't shame and guilt on this side which i think our side you know justifiably at times because the way we're treated yes feels uh feels like we need to kind of get some get back i totally agree with you but at some point i was talking with joe about this um kind of off camera at rogan but like how do we kind of bring everybody back on the same side? Because this has been very divisive, and everything in our culture now is so divisive. Yes.
But how do we get people more aligned on the same page? And I think it's only with love and compassion and forgiveness. And I admit, I've been very combative about this because I was attacked personally.
A lot of times when you're attacked, you want to just fucking fight back. I have been too I agree of course but it hasn't it hasn't really accomplished what I want to accomplish like I'm in my mind my ego is like well I'm going to be able to convince these people that they were wrong you know and you throw the science back at them and you think somehow yeah that's going to matter yeah like the people who talk about science all day actually care about science not at all of course that has no effect how i mean how has it been for you um you know because you were one of the first to talk about it all the time on fox and actually that's um what made me tune in every night was like what's talking to say they didn't want me to do that but like there was obviously some cancelization some shaming some uh you know i'm sure that may not have been why they let you go, but there was a lot of people who were- It was a sign of disobedience.
And by the way, I didn't want to be disobedient, actually. I didn't want to fight about the facts at all.
I never- But you had all the people that end up going on Rogan. You had Robert Malone on there.
You had Andrew Kirsch. You had Pierre Corey.
You had Peter McCullough. Right? I mean, all these people in the beginning.
Yeah, right away. Because I just had a different understanding.
And a doctor from Stanford as well. Of course.
I had a different understanding of science, which was that it's not a set of facts. It's a process.
It's a way of thinking. Yeah.
And that needs to be questioned. That's the whole point of science.
Otherwise, it's propaganda. It's an unending series of questions.
We think we know this, how do we know? It's not so different from what journalism used to be, which is like a process of... It's a process.
It's a way of thinking. It's skepticism, polite, reasonable skepticism.
It's rooted in reason though, in the belief that we can get to the truth or closer to the truth using logic. And that was just abandoned immediately.
That was the tell for me. I know nothing about vaccines.
I still don't really know much about vaccines, but I know a lot about people. And I saw people saying things like, just shut up and do it because it's science.
And then I thought, well, that's the opposite of science. Yeah.
And I also got a very sinister vibe right away, just on my gut level. I was like, I don't know what this is.
I'm not doing that. And neither is my family.
But the weird thing is, that's why I so appreciate what you just said, is I don't really know that many people who got vaxxed. I don't live in a vaxxed world at all.
My kind of people, given where I live and the people I like and how I spend my free time, they're not the people who got the vaxxed. So I don't spend really any time with people who would defend that.
And I think I need to think much more about it and realize like all of us live in our own tiny little worlds and we think we're mainstream, but we're not. And through the algorithm, we're in an echo chamber, whether we want to be or not, because that's what we're seeing.
No, it's totally right. Someone said to me the me the other day maybe it was you do you know anyone who didn't get the vax who's upset he didn't get the vax yeah does anyone regret that decision no no right not one person ever but people who did get the vax really which is why i love what you said i think they do regret it and i think that when you're doing something wrong, you're very defensive about it.

I used to smoke cigarettes

and they tried to make me feel shame for smoking cigarettes.

And I would always like smoke a cigarette in public.

Like, yeah, I'm smoking a cigarette.

Yeah.

Because I sort of knew you're not,

you shouldn't smoke cigarettes.

It's not good for you.

But I got my hackles up and I was more aggressive.

Would you like a cigarette?

Would your child like a cigarette?

I mean, I sort of wound up being that way. You know what I mean? Because I knew what I was doing was wrong.
Yeah. And don't you feel like that's part of what's going on here? I think there's a big swat that's like that.
There's the other swat that goes, I did this because you told me to do this. And this was mandated.
And now you're walking back all those things you said to me back then. Now there's some anger.
So there's the whole population that's like, I'm going to keep doing this. And I'm going to wear my mask in public.
And I'm going to get another booster in your fucking face, right? Yes. And then there's the other group that's like, I don't know.
I did this to keep my job, to keep from being canceled, to keep you off my back. And now you're going to walk back and say, you didn't say it was safe and effective and you didn't say i wouldn't get or or i wouldn't acquire or transmit covid like you're what do you mean you're now you're changing history that's the only reason i got it you said this is the only way to be safe and there was no side effects and that was all that's not that was all stuff that was said and there's videos out there you can check out so there's there's that side of the population it's like hold up hold the fuck on like you said all this stuff Now you're walking this back that's how i feel you know and then there's the other set that that doesn't want to engage at all that did it and now has a lot of fear around it a lot of shame around it and so i think two of those three groups of people we can kind of like bring in you know there's compassion and kindness there's compassion and kindness for the person that's still wearing a mask too especially that person and i can't relate to that type of fear but i understand what it's like to be scared of things and and just the fear to to feel like you still have to do that like that's a really shitty place to live so like showing compassion and kindness and it's easy to make fun of those type of people when you're on the way other side but like what does that actually accomplish if we want to come together more and look i'm guilty of it at times for sure but like i'm tired of that i don't want to be a part of that anymore i want to i want to be a part of bringing people together i so strongly agree with that when was the last time you saw a national leader try and calm people down about anything ever no yeah i would love it if somebody in elected office or with a lot of influence nationally were to stand up and say, let's start with what we know.
We're all going to die, probably terrified and alone. Yeah.
So that we know we're going there. So in light of that, why are we afraid of anything, actually, given that our fates are all sealed? Like, doesn't that liberate us? I think so.
And I think that's a great place to to be you know like when you step into this you personally when i'm talking about you when you stepped into this this realm you know you were the number one anchor at the number one show nightly and the stuff you were taking on and then the way that you were ousted there and then you go to x and you're the fucking you know the interviews you're doing the numbers you're going then you go and interview putin like you're putting yourself in in harm's way you know like and and and i commend you just like i commend bobby kennedy because there's there's bobby said recently there's a lot worse things than dying that's for sure and i commend you as i commend bobby like there's something to standing up for what you believe in and and and doing your job you're doing old school I hate to say but old school journalism where you're just I am old I am old all of a sudden unfortunately like but but when you go into that and that it's just to piggyback off what you just said like I don't know this person personally but I know that you must have a relationship with death where you realize that it's inevitable and you know i'd rather like live the way i want to live stand for what i believe in than like live in the fear that uh something could happen to me i'd rather be a free man in my grave uh and um so of course yeah and by the way i have the massive advantage of having grown children so you have little kids at home, and I haven't had a very adventurous or dangerous life, but a couple of times, one time in particular, I was pretty sure I was going to die and I had little kids at home. And I was in a plane crash.
And I remember as it was going down, I was like, oh my gosh, they're not going to thrive if I die. I mean, that really terrified me.
But now that they're grown, it's like, I am going to die. So this we know, and I meditate on that a lot.
I don't think it's morbid. I think it's liberating.
And so then you realize, what are you going to do to me? I'm not afraid at all. And I mean that.
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The people who went along with it because they really believed it and now are starting to realize, oh gosh, I was misled, but I can't admit that because it makes me look like an asshole, weak, like a follower. I understand that too.
The people who called for the death of the unvaccinated, that's kind of the category that's harder for me to people like jimmy kimmel for example who famously said and then penn as well and sean penn as well who i know actually and sort of like but what what i like him less after hearing that what how do you treat people like that who wanted you to die dr fauci said that if hospitals get any more overcrowded they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed. That choice doesn't seem so tough to me.
Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right on in. We'll take care of you.
Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, Wheezy. I think you've framed that in the right place.
Like, there's, you know, there was a great mashup that Rogan talked about a few times where there was all these different shows and it said, brought to you by Pfizer. Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer.
It's an amazing. I think you have to realize that there's, it's all about the money.
And as you get into this, you read Bobby's book about the real Anthony Fauci, you realize if you want to know what's really going on, not just in big pharma, but in government,

is follow the money.

And even in the NFL, I mean, there was a strong push.

They sent stooges out to every team to try and enforce a vaccination level above 90%

of every team with zero exemption, with zero informed consent.

Just get this so that we look good

because big pharma ad spend is humongous,

not just on the late night shows.

It's obviously influences Hollywood, the NFL.

So you have to understand who is actually...

I was talking to a Navy SEAL friend of mine the other day

who just got out of the Navy.

And like professional athletes, I mean, these are the last people who needed the VA vax and so there was this intense push to make them all get the vax he left the navy over it but he said most of his friends on the seal team he was on did not get the vax they got fake vax cards because they knew they're very in touch with their physical health their seals not so different from an nfl player how many nfl players actually got the Vax? Do you have any idea? I don't have any idea. I know that I'm sure that there was plenty who got fake cards.
I feel like there's, I think there's a base level of hesitancy around just the big pharma medicine in general when you're black. Well, I was about to say it's like 70% black.
To their great credit, a lot of black guys are like, no way. Yeah, and based on the history, I think it's warranted.
Totally fair. If you know any of the history about some of the human experiments that went on and ridiculous things in some of those communities.
If you know about what's gone on in foreign countries as well with some of these vaccines, predominantly places like Africa. Oh, yeah.
Where people have been maimed and killed and paralyzed by these vaccines, many of which are not actually approved anymore in the States, get sent over to Africa. Again, that's a reference to something that Bobby talked about in this book about Fauci.
There's a lot of interesting of interesting chapters around that so on a base level there was a lot of hesitancy like i don't think this is i'm gonna do this but in the nfl it was like if you're working for a team there was no choice it was it was get faxed if you're a player there was a choice but if you chose not to get it then you had a whole different set of rules you had to wear a different colored armband you had to you couldn't uh go to a restaurant you couldn't uh spend time at somebody's house and when three people were there uh you couldn't go anywhere on the road you uh you had to test every single morning and not enter the building until you got a negative back uh that all went away once the uh once the playoffs happened because, they didn't want to ruin the money at that point, and all the testing went away. Oh, there was a playoff exemption for the disease? Yeah.
No, I got to ask. If they're making you wear a colored piece of clothing, since all of us grew up in the United States where World War IIi is the kind of only historical event we learn about forcing a small despised minority to identify itself with the yellow piece of clothing it seems kind of resonant did anyone at the nfl say maybe not a good idea to to force people to wear yellow armbands if they weren't vaxxed i don't think they cared i don't think they cared i think they just wanted to hit hit their numbers so we look like nazis but we don't care yeah i mean i i when the stooge came and talked to us i asked a lot of questions about like uh informed consent about testing about uh um liability and he basically didn't answer any of my questions that the president of the team ended the meeting uh and i you, a ton of people from every level of the building came up afterwards and thanked me for asking the questions.
Because many of them had no choice. Just get vaxxed or lose your job.
And there are certain coaches around the league who quit because they didn't want to get vaxxed. I'm sure there may have been fake cards that went around.
I hope so. And we also know there was many

batches that were super toxic and

deadly and many batches that were perhaps

saline and

didn't

cause any adverse effects. But

the interesting thing around vaccines...

Can you ask me to pause? So do you think that the

drug makers knew that they were giving

out saline vaccines?

Oh, I mean that's a pure

conjecture. I think there's

I have read things about

Thank you. drug makers knew that they were giving out saline vaccines? Oh, I mean, that's a pure conjecture.
I think there's, I have read things about the amount of vaccines that went out wouldn't have been possible to produce that to that level. So there may have been some knowledge around that.
But again, that's just conjecture. And I don't have any specific evidence on that.
I'm not an expert expert at that but I am an expert at my body and what goes in it and how I feel about that but yeah you know the whole thing has been a real interesting thought experiment in action around like what people are willing to put up with how you can control through fear uh and how obedient someone will be uh because remember what was going on on all the networks you had the live death tolls that were ticking up as you watched the tv you had the live case numbers you had um just the fear mongering and then anybody that stood up to it was canceled i mean all the twitter files that got released when elon took over that show the collusion between the alphabet uh companies that you know control a lot of stuff and the old you know people with x what was going on at facebook and the censorship and all these true experts in it you know the robber holland peter mccullough's yeah corey's all these different people who stood up, the Alex Berenson, who, you know, said, tried to just get the message out. We're silenced and censored.
I think a person with any level of common sense would, even if they got the vaccine, would go, that's kind of weird. Why are we silencing all dissenting opinions? What in the history of the world has censorship ever been done by the good guys? You know, the good guys are the ones doing the censorship.
That actually doesn't happen. What are you scared of? You're scared of people being able to make up their own mind? Yeah.
And you see it on, Bobby just released a video, a 30-minute video, about who he is that got censored by Facebook, which is just wild. I mean, they're cens stuff which we know is going on which we you know the um cambridge analytica if you've watched that documentary about what happened um it is just pretty wild that the world that we live in where there's a uh you know for the idea of even free speech and what is it is called into a question all the time i just read um interesting book that was written a few years ago called The Coddling of the American Mind.
And it basically is talking about what's going on at college campuses, which we're seeing now, all this outrage and different things. It started post-2016 when Trump got elected when campuses felt like they needed to create safe spaces because speech is violent.
certain types of rhetoric is actually violent.

So we're vilifying the opinions now and we're canceling people based on what they believe.

And that's a slippery slope to go down

whether you cancel somebody who's, you know,

a super racist or, you know,

against an opinion that you believe in.

Like none of that actually works. Ignoring the shit you don't want to listen to or be a part of is one thing.
But picking and choosing what to censor is a very slippery slope. And you being in the media, you know how important it is to get people on all different sides.
Well, you can't have democracy if people can't say what they think. But democracy in general, I mean, this country was founded as a constitutional republic.
Yes. Which empowers the civil liberties.
You know, democracy is always- But you can't have self-government unless people are not slaves, unless they're free. But you know, I mean, democracy always falls into fascism and tyranny and ultimately dictatorship.
Unfortunately, I'm aware of that. And that's where we're at now.
Why do you, oh, I'm aware. Why do you think that is? Why do you think, and a lot of 19th century sort of free-minded people in Europe looked over at what was happening in the newly minted United States and said that's going to become a dictatorship ultimately.
Why do you think that happens? I think, I think there's a lot of reasons. I think entitlement is a big part of our society that has, has been, um, you know, a cancer for us because people believe that their opinion is more important than somebody else's opinion.
Um, you know, it was, it was, uh, it was weaponized against, uh, people who chose not to get the vaccine. and people would say, your freedom isn't more important than somebody else's opinion um you know it was it was uh it was weaponized against

people who chose not to get the vaccine people would say your freedom isn't more important than my fucking right to live and and and uh but i i think that um i think ultimately uh it creates it creates too many voices that

that are all about division. So there's a true democracy where every vote matters means that all of us are important to the whole.
But when democracy spirals out of control and entitlement is the common thread through it, then nobody believes that your opinion matters as much to their opinion. And it goes into a straight, egotistical, narcissistic view, which ultimately leads to some sort of fascism, some sort of tyrannical stuff.
And when it's weaponized by the people in control who control the messaging and the media, control the food supply, control the water supply, you're fighting a losing battle. It does feel that way.
And it feels like, you know, both of us grew up in a country that was outwardly focused on it. Its enemies were outside its borders, right? I mean, I grew up during the Cold War.
Enemy was the Soviet Union, you know, China, you know, pick a country we were at odds with. It does seem like all the energy that the federal government musters against its enemies is being mustered against American citizens.
Like, we're the enemy. That's the way it feels to me.
Yeah, I was at the Kentucky Derby this last weekend, and they were swearing in some new recruits to, I think, join the army. And so they had them repeat, repeat after the, you know, Sergeant or whatever was, who was swearing them in.
And I just was stuck with that one line that protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Yes.
I was like, and I said kind of domestic out loud because I was like are we forgetting that one because there's a lot of domestic people in this country who actually don't love America who actually don't um don't want to see us thrive I'm super patriotic I think it's because my grandpa fought in the second world war was a prisoner of war and believed in freedom and fought for it and lost many friends. He was in the Air Force who were at Pearl Harbor and flew many bombing missions over to try and liberate the French and Polish people there over in Europe and almost lost his life for it and lost a lot of friends and believed in this country and the freedoms that he was willing to fight and die for.
And so that's who I grew up in, you know, and I love this country and I want to see it thrive. And I think there's a lot of people that don't give a shit about it.
And if you look at some of the policies, how does it make any sense to have, you know, open borders, to have non-secure elections, to have, you know, have in Washington where the pharmaceutical companies, the big ag, the big everything controls the policy of the policymakers. You have people in Congress and the Senate who go right from their duties to these huge, you know, huge profitable jobs or speaking engagements and pick a swath of the economy, whether it's banking or ag or military defense or whatever it is, and everybody's in everybody's pocket.
And then you create these bills that have 40 different things in it. And we're spending billions of dollars to Ukraine and billions of dollars to Israel and billions of dollars to these college campuses.
There's just a lot of issues right now that seem really un-American. And I think there's a lot of red-blooded Americans.
People are like, how can Trump have such support? Well, people are fed up with it. And he speaks the rhetoric of taking back, making America great again and stuff.
My thing is he had four years to do it and didn't drain the swamp. And whether he just got scared because of what he learned when he was in there i think it's very plausible um but that's why i was interested when bobby came to me and said would you think about being my running mate and i said are you serious i'm a fucking football player but i love this country and i'd love to be a part of uh you know bringing it back to what she used to be there's a great uh did you think about it oh yeah i thought about it i definitely thought about because i love bobby and i just wanted to hear what he had to say about it there's a great uh opening scene of one of my favorite shows called newsroom do you ever see the opening scene with jeff daniels jeff daniels is a he's an anchor uh for a good person.
And there's a panel. Yeah, great person.
And he gets asked this question, why is America so star-spangled great? What makes America so great? Somebody says like democracy, and somebody says like freedom. He's like, he doesn't want to answer the question.
He says, the preamble of the Constitution is the greatest piece of written material ever. Something like that.
And then he goes, no, I'm not gonna let you off like that. You know, you got to give me an answer.
And he goes in this like three minute monologue about how America is not the greatest country anymore. He talks about the literacy rates and math rates and reading rates.
And, you know, we spend more than the next 25 on the, you know, on defense spending. And, but at the end he said, but we america's not the greatest country anymore but it could be and he talks about what it used to be and we used to dream big dreams and and uh build incredible you know uh buildings and great technology and different things it's like it's super patriotic like and that starts the whole show out where he gets kind of canceled for this or he gets put on display like oh my god like this guy is willing to like tackle some of the big the big issues in this country and like keep it real and i think that's what that that resonated with me because i'm like yes like what used to make america great like how can we get back to that and that's why i love people who want to stand up for what they believe in like yourself and and the stuff you would talk about uh on your show was was uh yeah but that's my job no no but nobody else is doing that though you know yeah but that's because they're cowards they're cow talented well yeah i get it but we're a country of cowards now people are not willing to stand up for or stand up to the people that are in charge well i know many people and i have such contempt I mean, they're not even good at fascism.
That's, I guess, my final analysis. They're not even good at this.
What was it for you? Were you just like, fuck it. Like, I'm going to say what I want to say.
Were you always like that? Or was there something that broke? Yeah, I've always been that way. But there had to be something where you're like, okay.
Because you talked about JFK, you know, and the CIA being a part of his death. We were talking about this last night at dinner which was so interesting i mean you're a professional athlete this is not your day job no it is my day job i've lived in washington for 35 years and i didn't really quite i mean i had lots of opinions all kinds of opinions but they were sort of aligned with the political party and i didn't ever ever question any of the basic assumptions that I had.
People would say, oh, Roosevelt knew that the Japanese were going to attack Oahu in December of 1941. I was like, you must be crazy.
Well, it turns out that's true. Yeah.
It was a Senate inquiry into it during the war that suggested that strongly because it's real. That and a lot of other things.
But it took me a long time to even ask those questions and when i did i was like i was well then i had to leave the city i moved out because i was so shocked by it and so distressed by it but you were saying that i mean the real question is not how did i come to that i mean i was marinating in that world my whole life um why did it take me so long is the real question. But how did you, or on an athletic

track, how did you come to these conclusions? That's the more unusual. Well, I think it was a number of things.
I always wanted to question what I believed, because I felt like it could strengthen that. And although that wasn't maybe the thought to process growing up in the church.

There was a lot to just believe this and have faith. Don't ever question it.
If you question it, that's doubt, and doubt is a sin. But I was like, I don't know.
I kind of want to question this so I can have it confirmed. Can I just point out that on the cross, as he was being tortured to death, Jesus said, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Right.
Jesus said that. So the idea...
He had some doubt. Yeah.
On the cross. But I got into...
So I think you're allowed to ask questions and have... Well, yeah.
I kind of gave myself that permission when I was younger. But I did a report my sophomore year in high school on JFK, and I was just kind of super fascinated by his charisma and the Kennedy family in general.
Yes. And then his death.
And what little I knew about it, and I talked to some people that maybe didn't believe the Warren Commission or the official narrative so I did a report on it it was more on JFK because I think we had to pick the influential person from history to report on so I picked JFK and in high school in high school and back then with very limited internet access I did a lot of research in the library and read a lot of things rather read the Warren Commission, a decent amount of it, the Warren Report. And I was like, there's some bullshit in here.
This doesn't make sense. You tell me this magic bullet from this guy went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, about through him.
And then they just happened to find it, you know, in the hospital, a certain spot. I was like, that doesn't sound right.
So that kind of got me into questioning things, conspiracies for sure, questioning things. I've seen some really interesting UAP phenomenons in the sky.
I've talked about it. And I know that's something that you are fascinated by.
At the time, I also found a way to see the Zapruder film, which was very fascinating as well, even though it's super grainy. And that kind of got me into questioning things.
And then there's been a lot of really interesting things that have happened over the years. My grandfather, though, he, you know, I didn't get to know him that well, but I do know that he always questioned and believed that Roosevelt knew about the Japanese coming, and that always stuck with him because he was super patriotic.
And another one of my heroes, Pat Tillman, who left the NFL to join the army, his death is very suspicious as well, in that not the fact we know that he was killed by friendly fire but the way they handled his body afterwards his uniform uh confiscating his last journal uh using his death to prop up the war propaganda there's been a lot of great people in history who are super patriotic who've questioned uh their government and i think that's what i've i've done since uh you I've done since I was a kid. And pardon my ignorance, I didn't even know that about Tillman's journal.
So that was confiscated by the- His uniform was burned and his journal was confiscated. That's in John Krakauer's book, Where Men Win Glory, which is a fantastic book.
And one of my best friends in the entire world aj hawk aj grew his hair out him and his buddy um in 2004 uh as an ode to uh to pat um because pat always had long hair played for the cardinals left a multi-million dollar contract to go uh you know fight uh you know fight uh yeah al-qaeda and taliban gets over there and is like what the fuck am i I doing? I'm guarding these poppy fields. This is not what I signed up for.
I miss my wife. I miss being in the States.
This is not what I thought we were going to be doing over here. And then some really negligent maneuvers happened and split up his unit.
And he ended up being with one of the members of the Afghani army who was their kind of guide. And a guy saw the guy in some dim lighting on the ridge who was with Pat.
They fired on him, obviously Pat. And the Afghani thought that they were getting fired on by Taliban, so fired back and ended up Pat got killed.
His brother was not told right away that it was friendly fire.

It's all in the book.

It's a fascinating book.

I mean, it's one of the only books I've ever cried reading just because it's so,

I mean, John's an incredible writer.

He wrote Into Thin Air.

He wrote Into the Wild.

He wrote Under the Banner of Heaven.

I read those three.

I never read the Tillman book.

Yeah, the Tillman book is incredible.

But I don't know why I'm bringing this up,

just that there's so many people that really love this country that have gotten disenfranchised i think that's part of it the whole betrayed by their leaders yeah i mean for your grandfather who you said lost friends at pearl harbor yeah and was shot down over europe and held as a pow and and he you know recently there's a gentleman writing a book about me and uh he's writing a chapter on him and he went found the war crime committee that actually interviewed him after he came back because he was mistreated over there.

There was a group of, I think there were 10 people on his bomber.

One of the guys ruptured his spleen on the way down, and they mistreated him, him march like uh 20 miles in the freezing cold didn't get him any medical uh treatment so there was like a war crimes commission that was doing interviewed so he was interviewed about that um and it talked about kind of how he was treated the the you know how they put uh you know worms in his food and water for certain times and and uh just the bad conditions there. And that's all he went through.
He went through all that because he really cared about his country. And I think even up until his death, there was for sure some bitterness, I would guess, around what was I actually doing and why was I doing it and who had to die? My friends at Pearl Harbor for this country that I fucking love that fucking love that i almost died for that's right um and i think those are the those are the great people that have made this country what it is and we're you know now to even question the government you're you're some like right wing conspiracy crazy tinfoil hat wear which is wild because it seems like the left has gone so far left and anybody right of that there's no center anymore that's according to the left you're just your right winger unless you're so far on the left the left used to be a party of occupy wall street of course and free speech and rights for everybody uh now is they're the ones beating the drums on the war machine and censorship and obedience.
They're not criticizing Wall Street too much, I notice. Yeah.
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How have they treated you? A lot of character assassinations. I've noticed.
When I tested positive for COVID, my whole world changed. And people I thought were allies in the media just turned on me.
they sp my sponsors you know to the tune of one of my sponsors who's having a hard time keeping me got so they got spammed with 140 million

impressions across all social media to get rid of me because of my you know choice about what I want to put body. They didn't, to their credit.
They stuck with me for one more year. One of the sponsors dropped me within a couple of days, which is fine.
But yeah, when it came out, whether it was somebody from the campaign or not released that i was a

finalist to be bobby's vice president there was a total character assassination it was some bizarre story from 12 years ago that somebody thought they heard something that i was questioning something um and what it all comes down to i think it was cnn that did yeah of course is i'm not beholden you know i have a, but I don't, you know, I'm not beholden anybody. I'm dangerous to them because I speak my mind.
You know, I'm not, you know, cliche-ridden, you know, obedient star, athlete. I, like, speak my mind.
I'm a loose cannon to them. But why? I mean, wouldn't it just be easier to collect the accolades and collect the money and just not say what you think in public, keep it for dinner parties? Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people have done that over the years.
Yeah. There's been a lot of great stars who've done that, and I respect that.
I think I just, I, I love, uh, I love this country and I believe in this country. I believe in people too much to, uh, to just be quiet about things that seem so obvious to me and corruption in any form is, is, uh, you know, should be exposed and the evils in this world that are out there.
And, you know, there's good and there's evil and, uh, the powers that be that, uh, that don't want the light to shine, the good to, to exist, you know, really push, push things that aren't the best interest of anybody. And I just got tired of, of, uh, of dealing with it.
I also, you know, got to a point that Rogan got to I think and many other people where I made my money um I have a platform I've had success in my business what's the worst that you could do to me like you could kill me yeah um at least I'm not dying on my knees amen and um stand up for what I believe in whether you with me or not, whether you agree with the way I went about it, that's your own opinion, that's fine. But I feel good about the way that I've stood up for myself.
And like Bobby said, there's a lot worse things than dying. And I would be dying a little bit every single day if I didn't say some of the stuff that's on my mind.
Now I do want to like not be a part of the, you know, the war against, uh, the people that, uh, try to cancel us. I would rather be a part of bringing people back into the fold and actually building bridges with some of those people.
Now there's the evil that exists that I don't care to engage with those people and they know who they are. Most people that have attacked me that are beholden to big pharma or money or whatever it might be.
But I think if there's a chance for this country to keep going and to exist and to not be like the Roman empire and fall from within, and I don't know if that's even possible, honestly. But I think it's got to start with love and compassion and empathy.
And I'd like to be a part of that conversation if possible. I so strongly agree with that.
And clearly COVID was used like race questions have been used, like the trans stuff is being used to divide people and to make them hate each other. Yeah.
And you don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to make that worse at all.
And I agree with you. I love the country.
And not only do I love it, I'm stuck here. You know, I'm born here.
I will die here. So it's my country.
That's how I feel. So I don't want it to get worse.
But I do have unanswered in my mind, like, what was that? I mean, you described, I think, the motives of the people that you know or i know you know they were afraid they're just instinctively deferential to power okay that's fine that's all human nature but like big picture that's so crazy what just happened and the effects on people are so bad and we don't know what the effects could be we certainly don't there's going to be years it crosses the blood brain barrier so like what is this and it's absolutely fair to ask the question does it change your dna that's not crackpot science at all um and there's some evidence well they admitted early on if they'd called this experimental gene therapy nobody would have taken it so they called it a vaccine and they changed the definition of vaccine like that's not that's not bullshit that's. That's actually what happened.
They literally talked about this, I believe, as somebody at the WHO, CDC, one of those two. Somebody can check me on that.
But there's literally a conversation that they were having where they're like, well, if we'd called this gene therapy, but maybe we thought it was about 5% to 10% of people that might take this. But we call it a vaccine.
Then that brings in all the potential being canceled as an anti-vaxxer because that's related to me and and you as well they have this game plan where it's like um you know we're a name call you know anti-vaxxer anti-semite bigot racist whatever it might be you know we're going to censor you then we're going to try and cancel you then we're going to go after the people that you love and care about um and that's kind of how they do it um and so if they call it a vaccine then all these people who are hesitant to not get canceled not be shamed by being called an anti-vaxxer are gonna get in line to take it but big picture do you have any guess as to like what is the program here like what is the point of this is it depopulation because that's that's its effect of course the lockdowns and the vax depopulate by definition what you said massive miscarriage rate but also just keeping people inside for a year and a half destroys their ability to find a mate destroys their souls like immune system yeah and its effect on your immune system exactly it causes illness i think there's some people that yeah that want depopulation now there's been you know video of uh you know bill gates that you know has people think it's taken out of context but if you look at his track record and what he's done um around the world i don't know that he's a proponent of like all life and uh you know life and people having more kids and more population on this earth. I think he's strongly pro-death from what I can tell.
I think he's not the only one. I think there's a lot of other people.
I don't understand what that motivation is, why, but I think those are some of the evils that we're up against. Are you noticing all around, just in your life, are you noticing people begin to make reference to spiritual forces in a way they didn't say five years ago? Is this my imagination? No, I don't think so.
I think that more people are kind of waking up with that. I think people that watched, and there's probably, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 million at least that saw your interview on Rogan and saw you talk about the supernatural component of UAPs.
I think that is a good part of the conversation for people to reference. I grew up in the church, and in the church you know that there's a battle that's going on between the seen and the unseen world, between good and evil, between the powers that we can see and the powers that we can't see.
And there's some wild things out there that we don't know about. And there's some government secrets we don't know about.
At a bare minimum, whether you believe in alien life, UFOs, UAPs, whatever you want to call it, there's some technology out there that exists that's finally have some sort of disclosure that the government or the powers that be don't think we're ready to be given that information which is kind of wild um and i understand that uh i don't actually don't understand it um the thought process is it's gonna you know change the way that we look at life or religion or whatever that gets in the whole other idea about religion being as a uh you know a way to control people, control thought maybe, which is pretty wild. But disclosure, I think, needs to happen.
It's going to be interesting to see how it happens, where it happens. But, you know, in my space where I'm at, where I do a lot of plant medicine, the veils between worlds and dimensions get very thin.
So the idea of seeing other entities, um, seeing, uh, you know, a lot of plant medicine. The veils between worlds and dimensions get very thin.
So the idea of seeing other entities, seeing, you know, angelic type of beings and demonic type beings is very normal. And the idea that there's a demonic aspect to the UIP phenomenon, I think is very plausible and interesting.
I do too. So you say plant-based medicine, I think you're referring probably to a lot of different things, but among those would be say ayahuasca or psilocybin mushrooms.
So the conventional understanding is that if you take a hallucinogen, you see hallucinations, things that your brain creates that don't exist outside of you. But you're suggesting that you can see things that are in effect real, but that you don't normally see.
Is that what you're saying? Yes, definitely. And I've done, I have many times now and I've had many incredible experiences.
Finally feel comfortable talking about it. I wasn't maybe after the first like six times I sat and then I finally said, you know what? Like this has made a huge impact on my life and made me feel more connected to this world and more loving and more in my heart.
And even this last ceremony, group of ceremonies that I did, I think has really helped me with the last four years of my life. I went from a pretty beloved, similarly enigma still, but pretty beloved athlete to a very polarizing figure.
And it's helped me to kind of put that all in the right context and perspective and actually have a ton of gratitude for the whole process, even though it was tough up and down. And more empathy and compassion for those who have slandered me and canceled me or attempted to.
So it's been really important for me and really deep healing for me. Well, if you wind up with more compassion for your enemies, it's hard to it because i think that's that's where we need to be well they also couldn't criticize because i the first time i did it i won an mvp then the second time i did it i won mvp again so everybody wanted to you know put me in the like druggie category oh you're just some wild hippie druggie guy it's like yeah but also I'm better at football probably afterwards and a better leader and better at relating to my teammates.
So there's a lot of positive. What do your teammates say? What do they say in general? They're interested, very interested.
So many people from all different sports, I'm talking basketball players, tennis players, golfers, baseball players, hockey players, and then my own contemporaries in the league are all interested about it there's a base level of plant medicine use for the most part i would say it's marijuana and you know people have their own opinions about marijuana but a lot of people are really interested about the healing effects they can have and the deeper sense of self-love and deeper sense of connection. There's just so many myths about it and misnomers.
I like to say and kind of revised my view of that plant medicine is people are like, oh, plant medicine, what is this shit, blah, blah, blah. Medicine is anything that is healing that's not addictive.
And drugs are substances that are addictive. And there's a ton of drugs.
And not all pharma is bad. There's some incredible pharmaceutical stuff that's helped us with things that I've used.
Obviously, I've had many surgeries and had anesthesia, and I'm thankful for those types of drugs. But medicine and food as medicine has been really impactful for my life.
And they're not addictive substances. They're stuff that I like to use with deep reverence in ceremony setting.
And it's made a big impact on my life. And the people know me have noticed the change people that don't know me uh you know have their their shots and their opinions about me but um but i do have more empathy and compassion for all those people and and and for myself too and i'm just trying to do my best and i was fighting a lot of battles you know when i tested positive for covid and got canceled or attempted.
And I don't feel like I need to fight as much of those. What about you though? Because you did one of the most controversial somehow, not to me, most controversial interviews in the last, I don't know how long, when you went to Russia and did Putin.
How did it feel coming back? Because anybody who watched the interview was like, number one, it was fucking awesome. Number two, Putin came off as an interesting, thoughtful, smart individual.
And if you've read 1984, you know the base game plan of government control is you have to have an enemy and you have to slander that enemy regardless if you know anything about him. And I think a lot of people were like, oh, Putin apologists are like, you know, whitewashing all the stuff that he's done to the different people and i was just like no i'd i'd love to see joe biden give an interview where he can speak on the history of uh the united states in the same way that putin talked about the history of uh of his country i'd love to see biden do an interview where he shows how to operate a microwave and i don't i don't think that's going to happen and by the way biden won't do interviews and neither will zelinski so far but what was it like to come back and where you weren't you were like in a couple other places after that yeah i went to the middle east after that for a while i mean i was out of the country for almost a month so i missed and i don't ever read about myself anyway because i know who i am i don't need someone to tell me so um i i missed all of that as i always do but the idea that someone would criticize an interview where you just let the guy talk

for a couple hours, I mean, I just think that's inherently useful.

I mean, I just wanted to do it as a documentary record of what Putin is like, or at least

what he's like in this context, and people can decide for themselves.

I'm a big believer in letting people decide for themselves.

I think adult men have the right to come to their own conclusions about things. Adults have the right to.
So I'll never stop believing that because we're not slaves. We can have any opinion we want.
And if you don't like it, then try and change it through reason. And if you can't, then fuck you.
And I really feel that way. So that's the kind of perspective I had going into Dr.
Putin. My perceptions of him are exactly what you just said.
I thought he was an interesting guy, smart guy, impressive guy, you know, in some ways, obviously a lot more impressive than Joe Biden, but he's Russian and he runs Russia and I'm American and I live in America, so I care about my country. I want my leaders to be better.
I'm not on Putin's side. I don't have any emotional attachment to any foreign country because I'm not a foreigner i'm an american and this is the only country i care about but um but for the record yeah i thought you know people can watch it and assess for themselves and they should it's it's a fascinating but the idea that you shouldn't be allowed to do that is so crazy to me i'm just not going to submit to that being canceled by the people who have like just bowed down and given interviews from their knees to the zelinski's of the world gargling as they interview yes it's wild as this guy comes over and fucking uh an outfit you'd wear to the you know to the store on a sunday morning to ask the congress for another 100 billion dollars is fucking wild he looks like he's going to be in the you know village people music video i mean it's like insane the whole thing it's like insane you do sort of wonder like that and a million other things going on right now you wonder if they're they're sort of seeing how far they can push the population until someone starts laughing like are you joking it feels like that sometimes what can we what if we did this is anybody gonna give a no okay well okay now let's try this one here we're gonna put joe biden up and do this wait what this guy who can't even walk over here shits his pants every now and then we're good then we're gonna pick the single dumbest but most self-confident person in the entire nation of 350 million people and make her White House press secretary.
And so you have to deal with this every day on your television. No, I know.
Well, I'm going to laugh. But the real question I had for you in relation to freedom of speech and free speech is two, I believe, champions of free speech who are now in exile, Julian Assange and Ed Snowden.
I know them both. And you've had conversations with them, both people who exposed corruption.
Yes. There was attempted murders on both of them.
Yes. Both are alive.
Julian is kind of rotting in a cell right now, I believe. Yes.
And Ed is in his own exile in Russia. But thriving, it seems like.
Yes. But both people who I have a lot of affection for, just the fact that they would do what they did and expose what they exposed and knew the consequences.
How do you feel about those two? And do you think there's any path back, whether it's Trump or Bobby, maybe not even Trump, because I feel like Trump didn't do it, but if Bobby were to get elected, the opportunity to pardon those people, would they come back to the states, you think? Would they? Well, I mean, in the case of Snowden, who's stuck, who I like a lot, and as with him and Assange, I don't agree with them on everything. I don't agree with my kids on everything.
I don't have to agree. We agree on the things.
I don't either. I just.
And by the way, if I'm being totally honest, I probably do agree with them on most things. But whatever.
I'm sure we'd find every area of disagreement. I just love that they expose corruption and that they...
Their bravery, their physical courage, those guys, their willingness to suffer for what they believe, and the principles for which they're suffering. You know, the dignity of the individual.
We're all created by God. You cannot treat me like a slave.
You cannot tell me what to think. You cannot tell me what to say.
You cannot lie to my face. Period.
Because I have self-respect. And that there is a field of value.
This is right, this is wrong. That's exactly right.
What was going on was wrong and we got to expose this. Well, and Snowden especially.
I mean, Snowden, you know, Assange is Australian. He's lived around the world.
He was a journalist. I don't think he had any expectation that he would wind up spending his adult life in prison.
I don't think that even crossed his mind. Maybe it did.
I haven't asked him. But Ed Snowden knew exactly what he was getting into.
And he was middle class American, high IQ guy, lots of job opportunities here. He could have lived a very comfortable life with his wife and kids.
And he intentionally put all of that at risk in order to tell Americans what their government was actually doing. And what's crazy to me is not that the u.s government is trying to murder him which of course they are but that news organizations don't defend him that's when you realize the new quote news business is totally fraudulent none of these people mean it they went into it these are people who went into the news business as a way to exercise and exert power over their fellow americans like it's nothing with informing people um it has to do with controlling and oppressing them that's why you work at nbc news so you can control people it's really sick and my my loathing for them just can't even be described in words because it's so profound i I have not forgiven them, and I don't think I will.
But Snowden, yeah, Snowden would come back tomorrow. He's American.
His wife's American. I think he's got a fine life in Russia, but he's not Russian.
And ultimately, I mean, I don't know if you've lived abroad. You probably haven't had time.
But if you spend enough time in foreign countries, you realize that no matter how wonderful they are, they're not your country. You know what I mean? You'll never fully be a citizen of another country if you were born here.
So he wants to come back, and they won't let him. And it's disgusting.
It's disgusting that they would use a term like traitor for him when he's literally exposing government corruption and stuff that you should give a shit about. If I catch you robbing a liquor store and call the police, am I the criminal? No, you're the criminal.
You're robbing a liquor store. Ed Snowden exposed crimes by the US government against the American population.
US citizens were paying for this, were being spied on illegally, and he's the criminal? No, no, no. He's the criminal mike pompeo director of the cia who is literally a criminal yeah and yet he's treated like i mean he's in the running to be defense secretary if donald trump wins it's shocking take a criminal and give him nuclear weapons really but that's been the whole revolving door with uh government with the cabinet that happens, revolving door from the FDA to the CDC to WHO.
It's just a secret handshake society of everybody just patting each other's back and staying in it. That's the corruption that needs to be exposed, and it's out there.
It's utter. And they're just doing it so overtly.
gives a shit well in very high stakes too it's not it's not just like well i'm not doing the best possible job as transportation secretary it's like no actually i'm forcing the entire country to take poison i'm killing people i'm destroying the u.s economy for the benefit of a few etc etc these are like these are big things these are not minor minor fuck-ups these are like these are major felonies in my opinion and that's why i mean that's why i have hope and i want bobby to have a chance to debate and to get into it because if not it's just going to be the same shit over and over and over and and like when the financial crisis happened in 08 right and obama put many of the people involved in it into his cabinet into the into the the you know the department of treasury was like one of the guys from goldman and sax i believe who was a part of the whole fucking shit they went down and that's on the inside job which which is a great documentary as well. So maybe we take the captain of the Titanic and make him Secretary of the Navy.
Yeah. But that's basically what you're doing.
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What do you think motivates Bobby Kennedy? I think he loves standing up to the man, to the big corruption. Now he is royalty because the Kennedy family is one of those special families and his family has been a part of in a position of power or fame, riches for a long time.
But look at his life and what he's done. He's gone after the EPA forever and he gets shit for his vaccine stance.
But he was never a part of that. It was actually a couple of women who came up to him when he was suing the EPA for years and winning for them destroying our water and destroying people's lives and winning consistently.
And then he's like, oh, shit, there's another issue that's going on. It's the chronic disease epidemic in this country.
And he can give you all the numbers from what it was. And there's certain dates in time where certain things happen where chronic disease went way up in the 80s specifically after a bill was signed by Ronald Reagan.
And since that time, if you look at a lot of the numbers, there's been a huge trump in chronic disease for kids, in illness, in SIDS, in autism, allergies, all these different things. And he's just saying, listen, I'm not saying that causation is correlation 100%, but there has to be some sort of relationship here with this.
And why don't we do some studies on it? Why don't we get some some transparency why don't we have these vaccines go through the normal trials and and testing because learning things is anti-science yeah and yeah but but um but i don't think bobby uh would put those kind of people in his cabinet i don't think he would uh you know give power to those kind of people and his cabinet. I don't think he would, you know, give power to those kind of people.
And, you know, like I've talked to him, you know, as frustrating as some of the alphabet gangs or organizations are, there's a lot of great people in them. There's great people in the CIA.
There's great people in the FBI. There's great people in the CDC and the WHO and the FDA who really care like and think they're making a difference but there's a top line in a lot of those organizations that are actually at their core anti-american and are not doing things that's in the best interest of our people and we're fucking paying them i know it's on our dime and all the stuff that's happened post 9-11 you know with the patriot act and the fisa court as far as the surveillance domestically and spying and the fact that they are not actually on, you know, unearthing these like domestic terrorist plots, you know, there's, there's a, you know, a lot of great documentaries and stuff.
You can, you can look into that. The fact that our food and water is not at an acceptable level.
The fact that our border is not at the right level. The fact that some of the stuff that happened with ATF, you know, where some of those, they were tracking these guns that went to the cartel and they were being used to kill border agents and all these different shit that's gone on that, again, I'm not saying that those, all those organizations are super corrupt.
There's a lot of fucking great men and women that work for those, but there's some people at the top who aren't great people. And that's what needs to change.
And I think Bobby would go in there and change a lot of that stuff. And that's what his uncle and his father were trying to do.
If you know the history of- How'd that turn out? Well, yeah, that's what happens with some of these companies. And that's why I love Bobby and you because you're willing to stand up knowing that uh it doesn't always end well for for people going up this is a guy whose uncle and dad were murdered in the course of their jobs as elected officials well look at the history of alan dulles right yeah if you know his history he was in banking for the for the bush family then he got into theS, which was a precursor to the CIA.
Yes. And he was probably a part of Operation Paperclip, which repatriated a lot of the German scientists.
Yes. Which there's some ethical issues with that.
He tried to get us into World War III in Cuba, Operation Northwoods and the majority of jfk's actually closest advisors i believe they voted and the majority said uh let's do it and let's blow up this ship and let's get us in the world war three uh and let's go after cuba and jfk said nope ain't doing it fired alan um and then alan dulles winds up where as basically one of the main guys in the, in the Warren commission, chief justice Warren was, I believe only at nine of the 30 some odd, uh, meetings that they had, but the two guys that were really in control of it for what I've read are Alan Dulles, former fired head of the CIA who ended up up getting his job back, and there's an airport named after him, and Gerald Ford, future president, who was at the time number two at the FBI, an FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover, who hated the Kennedys.
So given that all of that happened, it's a little weird that the Biden administration won't give Bobby Kennedy Secret Service protection service protection yeah and he's known joe forever like they they were friendly for a long long time it wasn't like it's he's some outsider like he's been around the political game for a long time and he's the only major candidate who's not gotten uh secret service protection they're also limiting and and skewing i believe some of the polls to try and not just keep him out of a debate but keep him uh out of secret service protection he's spending millions of his own dollars on private security um which he has to because he's a threat because he's not you know bought and paid for um and you know he's a foil to the two-party system but i I don't know if you saw this, but Bobby recently came out and said in the summer months at some point, he wants to do a 50-state poll with like 20,000, I don't know what the exact number is, votes in each of these states. And whoever polls lower between him and Joe Biden has to drop out of the race.
Because in his own analytics, he's found out that if the three of them run, Trump is most likely to win. If he goes against Trump, he wins.
If he goes against Biden, he wins. If Biden goes against Trump, Trump wins.
So in fact, so he said, hey, listen, I'll drop out if you pull higher than me in these 50 states um but if i pull higher than you you're out there's no way he'll go for that but i think it's a brilliant a brilliant model to be like no no i'm not the foil bobby's not the foil right bobby's a main player in this and going through this process and just like entertaining it for a small time to learn about the corruption with getting on the ballot is that's fucking wild it is 50 states with 50 different ways of doing it for the most part uh you know you can have your signatures thrown out if you have the wrong color ink on one of 50 000 signatures uh some states you file with the secretary of state some states with the governor's office it's just it's so ridiculous the whole process which is just set up for a two-party system right and then who knows about the you know the safety and legitimacy of of this whole thing well it's a lot harder to get on the the ballot than it is for, say, a non-citizen to vote. Yeah.
Or a dead person.

Or a dead person. Or a dead person.
A lot of those. So you made reference a couple of times to the food supply, and you said, I don't know about, you know, I'm not an expert on vaccines, but I am an expert on food.
Well, I'm not an expert on food. Well, but I mean, it's your job.
Yeah, I i care i care a lot about what goes on my body you have to right so what have you learned so for people who aren't paying as close attention um to what they eat what where do you think the the bad like what's the bad food well a lot of it's in the wording of it i mean fat is bad term, but fat is really good for you. Cholesterol is also a real negative stuff.
Yeah, yeah. But you need cholesterol because it's good for your brain.
There's some bad types of it and some like shit that you can eat that doesn't help your, that kind of skews your levels. But sugar, terrible for you.
Anything fuels cancer cells so eliminating sugars processed foods but if you were to start with one it'd be getting rid of sugar yeah definitely and then fasting fasting is incredible for your body it resets your body i do at least a five-day fast every single off season just kind of kick start the off season what's that like What's that like? It's a fun process. It's hard, but after you get past three days, you have this evolutionary impulse that kicks in, and you feel amazing, actually.
I got to the fifth day this year. I was like, man, if I wasn't going on this trip, I would do 10 days.
I felt incredible. Yeah, and it just resets your body.
And actually, there's a lot of great research dana white was talking about it recently um that uh you know he did kind of before and after testing and there's a there's a lot of uh studies now that talk about the uh the percentage of uh goes way down of of heart disease heart attack based on fasting um cancer obviously has a really hard time when you fast or when you at least fast from sugar. And that's kind of my problem with the whole, you know, the cancer industrial complex is that there's very little people treating cancer that kind of start base level of diet.
And I'm not saying that all treatments are terrible. There's a lot of, you know, people doing really great work and, and, and caring for patients, but diet should be the first thing that you look at.
Especially sugar. You know, I had a weird experience.
I was at the hospital years ago, seeing a friend and coach of mine who had had a heart issue. And, you know, I'd got there.
He'd gotten two stents put in. And he's drinking a Coke and eating pudding.
And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing? And that's part of the problem is we're not using food as medicine. Well, sugar is also, as someone who has quit smoking and drinking and drugs i can say way more addictive it's a drug it's addicting like actually yeah but in every single day there's stuff that's finally coming out like i was just reading some there's four you know four it was like oreos um lucky charms something else and gatorade you know has been, it was like a Oreos, um, lucky charms, something else.

And Gatorade, you know, has been exposed as having like, uh, forever, uh, chemicals in them.

And so there's finally people getting some of the message out and forcing, uh, you know,

these companies to change, but the best way to vote in general, uh, is with your money.

And I really believe that obviously, you know, I'd love that if Bobby would win and we'll definitely vote for him. Um, and voting on a local level is really important, especially for your local, you know, DAs and sheriffs and different things is super important, but like voting with our dollar is really important and companies that are involved in, um, you involved in shady practices, unethical practices, foods that have poison in them, and they know it, don't buy them, and they'll change.
They'll change. Just like with the government.
If you don't follow their ridiculous draconian rules, they're going to change. So it sounds like protein is the answer.
Yeah, protein, fat. I mean, that's high.
Everybody has a little different. So a little different body, a little different constitution.
So, you know, but I think on a base level, fasting is good. Now, a lot of the intermittent fasting data for women was post-menopausal women.
I definitely know that. So intermittent fasting for women still menstruating, I don't know that's great for health, but I think fasting in general is a good reset for your body.
How hard are the first three days? hard but it changes your relationship with food now we're not living to eat we're eating to live i think that's a important uh distinction so you feel lightheaded or jumpy or a little bit it depends on how much sugar you've eaten if you like you can get the the sugar blues and the sugar uh depression there if you if you if you're coming off eating a ton of sugar for sure, but I don't eat a lot of sugar. So, um, it was, it was fairly easy for me, but I do all the time too.
I think it's like, just start with 24 hours. Just start with 24 hours and just drink water or bone broth, um, as a good reset.
And then if you can get to three days, that's great. Get to five to five that's incredible the research says five and up has like the greatest benefits but it's a good reset for your system um you look better in the mirror um and you'll uh your body just starts to function a little bit a little bit higher while you're fasting yeah is that hard yeah it's lighter workouts when i'm on my fast but because i need some energy to work out but uh what's the longest you've gone fasting yeah seven what was that like awesome past three is like amazing i think it goes back to like the hunter gatherer where you haven't had food in a few days and you get this fucking energy jolt from your system to go find food and after three days i feel amazing i don't even need food and then just ease back into some stuff on day eight uh you know but but i love it i did some ayurvedic stuff as well um like a 30-day Ayurvedic diet,

and that was incredible for my system.

What is that?

It's just eating and doing kind of a full-body flush reset like they do in India.

It's their kind of way of doing medicine.

And, man, that reset my entire system.

I lost weight. My stomach lining changed for sure i went in being allergic to a lot of things and having like irritable bowel syndrome i came out of those 30 days with like uh no allergies no uh indigestion no irritable bowel stuff and it just like flipped and i...
What were you eating for 30 days on this? Just mostly Ayurvedic stuff. So rice, lentils.
There's no meat. And I love, you know, meat and protein.
But yeah, just a lot of lentils and rice and vegetables. What's a darkness? Is it a fat...
Retreat? Ret yeah retreat well you're just in a room about uh i don't know a third of this size probably with a little bathroom bathtub and uh can't see shit like nothing nothing can't see anything you start hallucinating like i did five nights four days you start hallucinating like on the third day because your brain starts the dmt starts getting activated is it hard to text in that environment yeah very hard no so you're actually in total darkness total darkness no concept for what time it is especially after the first couple days because you sleep so much the first night after that you don't need to sleep hardly at all because you have no stimulation for your eyes so you're not really tired you just kind of lay in there uh or moving around i was like you know did yoga did long meditations sat in the bath for a couple hours it seemed like i don't know time was irrelevant but a lot of great contemplation the bath so you like feeling your way to the bath oh yeah and a lot of times you start hallucinating and seeing different shapes and doorways and stuff and you just run into stuff all the time and um it's a it's a quite the process scarier than any drug i think i would be afraid to do that yeah i am i'm glad i did it i don't need to do it again it's not like something i need to i can't wait to do another darkness retreat it's like no i did that uh check that box that was cool not going to do it again. What did you think about? to, I can't wait to do another darkness retreat.
It's like, no, I did that. Check that box.
That was cool. Not going to do it again.
What did you think about? I started each day with a meditation and just said, what do I want to contemplate today? So contemplated relationships, family, and then two days was, one was I'm retired and one was I'm playing and so I went through all the insecurities around retirement and then all the fears around playing again and just really spent hours just like thinking through things and anytime a negative thought would come in just being curious about it and wondering where that comes from if there's a root of that, is there something from childhood that is involved in that fear and security? And it was really amazing for me just the healing that happened. And I came out really feeling comfortable either way, like not scared of retirement, not scared of slipping into irrelevance i actually welcome that not uh not worried about what the future looks like if i don't play for the packers anymore and i'm on a new team um and new guys new city so it was really uh really meaningful i'm really glad i did that um again don't need to maybe do five days four nights um but uh it was a good experience.
Have you done anything like that? No. I've spent my whole life running away from stuff like that.
But nobody even can take a few minutes to get off their phone. You probably are better than most.
Oh, I definitely am. No, I take a sauna every day for 20 minutes in silence.
But do you watch TV? No,'t have a tv yeah i have a tv that's a good way i like silence i don't like noise i don't actually watch any video at all ever and um but to be without in total darkness for five nights you know i don't know what would happen were you afraid at all. But the weirdest thing was night one, I had a bad dream, like a nightmare.
And when you're, normally when you're at home, you have like a weird dream, something's off, maybe you see, feel an entity or just something's freaking out. What do you do? You kind of wake up, orient yourself.
Okay, I'm on my bed. I'm fine.
Here's this. Maybe I get up out i get up out of my bed do something okay i'm okay and then you kind of are able to usually get back

to sleep in the darkness what you see eyes closed is what you see eyes open so there was no escaping

the uh you wake up at 3am and gotta take a leak how long does it take you to get to the john

um five minutes for real yeah because you're just like here's one step here's one step

I'll see you next time. longs take you to get to the john um five minutes for real yeah because you're just like here's one step here's one step and you're super disoriented you're just going really slow now feeling around feeling around feeling around boom boom boom boom okay there's this should be here banging at something yeah this should be over here okay there boom here's a tiny little door okay get in okay now i gotta you know but i mean in the you just you're you know not really wearing clothes for the most part just because you don't need to use in complete darkness what's dinner like well the food is actually pretty good so once a day the food came at six o'clock there was like a double-sided door so he'd put the food in one side close it then i'd open so there's no light and you just like use your scent like smell be like oh that's that's soup i'm having that for dinner oh here's there was the food for the next day too so okay there's some apples i'm having for breakfast oh here's some uh some mixed nuts i'm gonna have that for lunch as a snack oh here's what is this oh this is some sort of like pasta okay i'm gonna have that for lunch tomorrow it's like so you're kind of going through it and you just like you have all the time in world.
So you just like savor every bite and just eat super slow. And it's actually very meditative.
That part was cool. I've done a lot of hallucinogenic drugs, not in many years, but I have when I was a child.
And, you know, no matter how weird it gets, you feel like, well, it's the drug, you know. But when there's total silence and darkness, are you worried that you're going to, something's going to rise up from within you and scare the crap out of you? Not really, because before that I had done, you know, ayahuasca multiple times.
I'd done psilocybin journeys. So I had figured out what it was like to surrender to a process or a ceremony.
So I kind of treated that the same way and just said, you know what? Whatever comes up is what's supposed to come up. Like we say in doing ayah, the medicine will give you exactly what you need.
So I kind of took that attitude into the darkness and said, whatever comes up is what I need in this moment. So I'm just going to surrender to it.
And it's like, it's weird. I'm not on my phone.
There's no distractions. There's really no sound.
Like every now and then, like in the afternoon, a plane would fly by above. And I was like, okay, it must be afternoon.
And then at six o'clock, you knew it was six o'clock because the dinner would come. That's the only reference for time that you knew.
But I just surrendered to the process and said, I'm here for a reason.

I've paid for this.

So I might as well enjoy this experience.

And I did.

It was fun.

Did you feel like a medieval prisoner locked in a dungeon?

You weren't locked.

I could leave at any time I wanted.

So the door was open.

So if I wanted to leave.

Did anyone else make it five nights?

Yeah.

A lot of people. And somebody was coming out actually when i was going in who had been 30 30 nights i could not believe that because i don't i wouldn't want to do that i mean like i think a 48 hour reset would be interesting but even five days four nights was like okay that's enough you know last day person look i mean i didn't see them but i heard they were a little bit depressed which i can i can imagine are you kidding yeah i heard your story on uh on rogan though like you definitely dabbled a little bit in in some psychedelics did you a lot whether was there ever any like real major breakthroughs that like stuck with you or was a lot of just like tripping i mean i'm going to go on a dead shows years old you know but still it's a different country um and you know it's just it's so so long ago and far away it's hard to believe it's real but um yeah for sure i mean we but that was like in the 70s right 80s yeah mid-80s and i just grew up in a world where drugs certain drugs were much more um accepted than they are now i'm not saying that's good but um at all but uh you know different time but yeah no i did i've done a lot of that and i decided i mean a long time ago you know i haven't had an advil in 22 years i mean i'm i'm the soberest man you'll ever meet.
But I was afraid. I mean,

one thing I learned was there's a lot of stuff swirling around inside you.

And that's why the darkness retreat really struck me because that stuff would rise right to the

surface. And I'm not comfortable being in touch with all of that.
And some of it is chaotic and

scary. And it's not clear how much of it is from within and how much of it is from without.
I didn't really believe in the unseen world when I was doing stuff like that. So I didn't really consider it.
But yeah, I saw some very scary things. And I was like, don't do that again.
You know what I mean? So actually, I didn't get much out of it. And I remember once while taking LSD, when I was 15, I was just too young to be doing that anyway.
But I remember writing down like my profound thoughts as I was in the middle of this very, very far out experience. And they didn't make any sense.
In fact, I found them in my barn in this building upstairs. I need to see the generations of family stuff stored.
A couple of summers ago when I was like, I got to go through these boxes, various diaries from deceased relatives and including my acid memoirs, which were really banal and fragmentary. Like, what does this even mean? You know, I think I threw them away.
I want my kids seeing that. But no, I didn't have any breakthroughs.
I'll tell you the breakthrough for me was sobriety, just because I partied too much. So having to face things without a crutch, I felt and admit you know you're i think all growth

and joy begins with admitting who you really are being honest about yourself

yeah i agree but i darkness retreat would maybe too much honesty for me

no you never know so you said you thought about what your life would be like if you

kept playing once another team or if you retired i mean at some point you're gonna retire right

Thank you. what your life would be like if you kept playing once on another team or if you retired.
I mean, at some point, you're going to retire, right? What are you going to do? I'm going to take a few deep breaths and relax a little bit, I think. I've been doing this for 25 years, playing football.
20 this year in the nfl um i've been mildly famous uh for the last uh you know 20 or so 21 i guess um you know i'd like to to just take a step back and just you know enjoy life in a different way i'd like to be a father at some point and take on that that chapter in life um which is exciting to me but uh how hard is it to date when you're as famous as you are oh it's it can be hard yeah it can be hard for sure but i think in general um you know you become a pretty good judge of character over the years when you make mistakes and trust the wrong people whether it's business or personal life you know you can sniff some things out pretty quickly I think but you never know and you know you met your soulmate when you were 15 right? Yeah. The most beautiful thing that, which is the hardest thing about relationships in general that I've seen with my friends is how do you grow together? That's right.
Because you're a different person, 15, 20, 25, 30, 55. But finding someone who's willing to grow with you and be in what you're into and that you have your own separate life, which is beautiful and big and full.
And then you can come together and not having to find you like full identity in that other person,

I think is really important.

So,

you know,

it's just trying to,

to do all those things.

I really just been trying to work on myself and,

and,

and ready myself because I've,

you know,

been way too codependent relationships in the past where I've kind of lost

myself to like,

hold on to this idea

of what I think a relationship is. And it's just not, it hasn't been sustainable for me.
But I'm confident that there'll be a time when that comes together. And until then, I'll just be enjoying myself.
Since you spent the majority of your life famous at this point, what do you think of that? What you think of being famous it has its pluses for sure um it's not ever anything i signed up for i just love to play football yep and my fame grew really around the same time we won the super bowl and then i did a state farm commercial and i it's actually true it's like it's funny but it's true. I became the State Farm guy at the same time I became a Super Bowl champion and an MVP ultimately.
And my life from 2011 on just really took a whole different change. Before that, I was recognizable, I would say.
After that, I was famous. And I was the famous football player, also ad man, pitch guy for State Farm.
So more people knew me. And I love my privacy.
And that got totally kind of taken away. So I went through, I don't know if you felt like this, but I've definitely gone through phases of being a recluse for sure.
I just don't want to go out, don't want to see anybody. And I don't really like that.
I mean, I am introverted in general, but I love people. I love like my routine and I felt like I got so just scared of not having my privacy or just like annoyed that I just stopped doing things that I enjoy doing and I just didn't really like doing that.
So now I do exactly what I want to do when I want to do it and try and have a little bit of sense of humor with some of the reactions that come from people or situations where

I can't just have privacy and just

find a little more humor in it. It seems to

transmute some of the frustration and fear

into joy in those moments.

What about you?

Oh, I could write a book on it.

Yeah, I'm not into it at all, but yeah, you can

definitely become a recluse for sure.

Some people, though, in your business and my business

kind of signed up for it. That's what they want.
Those are the saddest of all people. You want to be famous? You want to be loved by people who have never met you? It's like kids these days are saying, what do you want to be when you grow up? It's not a fireman or an athlete or something.
It's famous or an influencer. Well, to influence people, I think, is a great honor.
But that's not what they're talking and can be a joy yes right but to be well known is no of course it's a nightmare there's no upside whatsoever and if you find that important then you're a hollow sad person that's like what do you what is you know but who i mean one thing i noticed about famous people i've always noticed is having spent a lot of time around them for the last 30 years is they all know each other you ever notice that yes yeah there's a knowing i think you you kind of know what the other what that person's going through so there's a base level of like oh we kind of know how to navigate this life in a similar fashion so there's like that uh there's that um just closeness i think that comes with initial meeting of like oh we probably have similar experiences so there's like that connection um kind of off the bat uh with that um i mean i'm sure you feel you feel that and yeah i have a big family so that really helps um so yeah i don't have that many famous friends but some but i i don't know i was looking at your board over here well i've had a lot of a lot of people in this barn um but when you're going through like for example when you tested positive for rona and and then you admitted that you were part of the despised unvaxxed yeah you were a criminal um immunized

immunized and the world just like comes down on your head yeah and your agent i don't know if

your sponsors are calling you maybe yes they are yeah of course they are right and i'm sure the

league is calling you and you're just under bombardment who do you talk to about is there

do you have people in your life who can buck you up you have a great support system um i think it

Thank you. argument, who do you talk to about? Do you have people in your life who can buck you up? You have a great support system.
I think the last couple of years, and I'm sure you feel the same way, but the last 10 years, but every year it seems to get even smaller, but the circle kind of constricts a little bit. And there's less people who know exactly what's going on.
And there's just a really tight knit group of the inside of the inside.

And there's a beautiful group outside of that who you love and you talk to and you spend some time with, but they don't know everything.

And they don't get to because there's just certain things that's only meant

for a really small group of people.

And I love that.

And so those people are my rocks.

And they're not yes people.

They're people that can tell me exactly what's going on and what I need to hear, not what

I want to hear.

But there's a really small group of those people.

So you keep the ass kissers out of your life.

Yeah.

There's a lot of them.

Oh, I know.

Yeah.

You want to be involved.

Would you rather be attacked to your face or flattered to your face?

Probably flattered. You're an honest man.
You know, attacked. It's like, you know, because we were talking about this last night about, you know, like we can be in situations where you can't just have a normal conversation with somebody who disagrees with you, right? A lot of times it's that person's filming it or somebody else filming it or they're shit talking you and they want to get a reaction out of you so those you know i don't shy away from those and i don't those don't like get under my skin actually i find those comical but i'd much rather have somebody like when at dinner when you go up to restaurants um no not really i think most people that that uh i do say this like in a, I feel confident in this.
The majority of people that want to censor me, cancel me, shame me, shit talk me, if they got to know me, I think would have a different opinion of me. And I hear this from actually a lot of people who are like, man, you're just so much different than I thought.
What do they think you're like? Well, they get the image from mainstream media or from two disgruntled teammates that I'm some sort of overly arrogant, narcissistic prick. And then when you get to know me, it's like, oh, you're not really any of those things that you've been painted as because you have to have a villain and you're the villain now because you stood up to the government and you're not, you know, bought and paid for and beholden to all these other, you know, things and you're not quiet about your beliefs.
Um, so I think that's usually the common, uh, perception and then the common reaction I hear from a lot of people, people who don't even actually agree with me, um, or who thought about me a lot of times a certain way, uh, say man i really enjoyed this time together this dinner this conversation and and you're different than i thought i'm always like thanks i guess low expectations you know high deliverables i thought you were an asshole yeah by the way i'm sorry i totally forgot this our producers put all the stuff i haven't even any of it. They found this, which just amused the hell out of me.

Remember how they were saying ivermectin was horse dewormer?

I'm pretty sure I took ivermectin.

Horse paste.

Horse paste.

This actually is.

It's horse paste.

Duramectin, ivermectin paste for oral use in horses only,

though it does look like rectal use.

Nice.

That's the ivermectin dispenser. use in horses only though it does look like rectal use nice that's the ivermectin dispenser i love that i love that i'm gonna keep that on the bar right behind you just to see if let's get a little shadow box let's get a little box for it to put up on the wall that'd be awesome so what do your teammates think of all this stuff most of all most of them are really interested you know we they're um i try and uh share a lot of my experiences especially my failures as a young player because i want to help these guys not make the same mistakes so whether it's failure and uh hiring the wrong manager agent or financial people or just not be involved in my business as a young person or some of these guys you know involve a lot of family members to handle like really important parts of their jobs.

So just like sharing my experiences with those guys is important.

Like don't hire your drunk cousin.

Yeah, like, you know, maybe keep family and business separate as much as you can

unless, you know, your family member is like a certified, you know,

accountant or something, lawyer or something, you trust them.

Like I think it's always best to kind of, you know,

keep some distance between friendship and business too.

It's always can get a little bit dicey at times. I made many mistakes doing that and try and share those experiences with them.
My life publicly, the things I talk about now as we're shifting four years from, three years, I guess, from COVID is more around plant medicine. So they're very interested in that, interested in ayahuasca and psilocybin and and the effects and the fears and they have a lot of the same uh fears that most people have around a bad trip a bad journey a bad um time and so it's fun to have those conversations many people reached out wanting to set up their own journeys their own trips just learn more about it um you know i'm a avid reader as well so there are people you know checking me about you know books to to read and recommend and so i love doing that with some of my teammates and so i might start them with the alchemist or with that one and maybe send them to a crack hour book or send to a self-help book or something or maybe a book about medicine but um but yeah i just we joked there was a group of us in the corner of the locker room that we kind of called the brain trust.
So we'd, the four of us start talking, you'd see like somebody come pull the chair up. Another guy would come over and pull it, you know, like next, you know, it was like 10 guys just kind of listening to what we're talking about.
And guys are eager to learn, um, people from all different types of backgrounds and walks of life. And, um, that's a lot of fun.
You know, I think to be relatable to those guys, you got to first share your failures share your failures you know share for sure share you know the things you wish you'd done differently and and it's like i would guess it's like a parent where you don't want to save them from everything but but you like to stop them from making you know big mistakes that could really affect their life uh down the road some some lessons they got to learn on their own but there's some things that i've fucked up on that i love to share with the guys so they don't make the same mistakes that i did are you gonna miss it yeah for sure i miss the guys like going to derby this last weekend the best part and with all respect to the horses and churchill downs and a lot of stuff the real point of the trip is is the camaraderie with the guys and as most guys i played with and a lot of guys i only see maybe once or twice a year and this is kind of one of those events and like we just share stories and laugh about the same stuff and catch up on family and kids and and injuries and body and health and the newest hacks that they're working on one of our guys you know who's my center for a long time cory and he played at like 305 pounds now he weighs 235 so like seeing him healthy is awesome and talking about his life he's got four kids now and a beautiful wife and that's the fun part is just seeing these guys once or twice a year and just like keeping that close bond is it weird to be the last guy standing it is weird i mean you're the last guy from your year right i'm the last guy from my year i'm the last last guy in that group. It's the big group that's playing.
Devontae Adams was with us, and Devontae's still playing. It's going into his 10th season.
But yeah, all the guys that came in the league are gone. Like long gone.
Long gone. And I transcend a lot of stuff.
We had dinner Saturday night, and a few of some young guys came over, and one of the guys was Ray Lewis's son and to tell a kid who's not a kid he's in his 20s like I played against your dad that feels kind of weird yeah that is weird yeah it's crazy what's the truth about CTE the truth is our sport is dangerous well yeah yeah the truth is our sport is dangerous. The truth is that there's minor brain injuries that happen every single game, I would assume.
There's collisions. It's a collision sport.
And I think it's important that we really pay attention to how our bodies are responding. The league is, and the agreement with the players, has gotten better every single collective bargaining agreement, which I think I've been a part of three now, where they've done a better job of taking care of older players.
But back in the day, even when I was a young player, you get dinged in the head, hey, just let it clear. Or you see stars, oh, that's fine.
Like Favre, he talked about all the concussions that he's had. He would never come out.
He was just like, oh, yeah, dang, you're seeing stars. That's fine.
Just like let it pass and go back in there. Have some more Gatorade.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
How about that? But I think we're doing a better job of safety and the equipment's better. The helmets are better.
The diagnosis are better. Are people worried about it, do you players I don't think I don't think so not not not many of them I think more people are worried about their own health and some of the you know meds that are given out like there was a med problem in league for a while guys used to get it was easy to get Vicodin's Pocets that kind of stuff um then there was an issue

at one of the teams and they kind of changed the policy which is better now but um that was an issue i think uh some of the addiction to some of that stuff that uh some of my teammates had do you remember that oh yeah yeah i remember a teammate of mine who was so addicted to percocet that he had to be put under anesthesia to have his surgically repaired knee moved. That was wild.
And that was not abnormal. There were a lot of people that were.
Why? Because it dulled his. Yes, his pain tolerance.
It was just like he had to meds to like be able to, to be moved. It was wild.
Did he recover? Not really. I mean, he has, he since has now and he's, and he's doing, he's doing really good and he's been sober for a while, but, but that's an issue.
There's a, there's a, there's a really bad stat that, that they used to, it was a scare tactic, but it's true. Back in the day, it said that within three years, 75% of NFL players three years post-retirement will be broke, divorced,

or unemployed. And a lot of times it's multiple of those three.
And I see it a lot because you're

living this life, you're making a ton of money, that money train dries up. You maybe don't have a ton of life skills or haven't spent time in the league, like planning for your post career stuff, or don't have the money to just like coast, uh, like I could.
And some of the people by a long time could. And then, you know, there's, there's marital issues that, uh, um, you know, that, that happened all, you know, and it's a very sad statistic.
Um, the league, you know know tries to do some things to kind of promote uh second career stuff and financial literacy but um a lot of it's on the guys to learn on their own and if you don't have the right people advising you it's you know i've seen a lot of my former friends you know go through some uh some crisis he's in their 20s because the average career is three years now you you're, you know, you're 26, 27. You have no job.
You may or may not have graduated from college, but who knows how many people actually use the degree now anyway from college. I mean, college is, it's, you know.
But you have no skills other than the game. Yeah.
And now they're trying to figure out what to do. So it's pretty.
and they got married to the wrong person along the way possibly yeah or just like you know 50 of marriages at this point or more and in divorce anyway so um when the you know who knows i mean there's not blaming not wife shaming here there's no no i get it i get I get it. But I mean, it's, again, back to the fame question.
If a woman is coming at you because you're famous, that's not a good basis for a marriage. No, no, it's not.
And there's some guys who haven't made some rough decisions too with having kids and multiple women and, you know, some of those were bad decisions by the men. Some of those are women, you know, who, you know, saw a millionaire football player and wanted to, you know, be taken care of for a while.
Both of those are true. So sometimes that is something you take with you in the game where now you have a couple kids out there that you're taking care of for many years and you don't have the same type of money coming in.
So now there's financial issues with some of the child support that you should and do pay. So guys, there's a lot of mistakes that are made and some you can rectify and get through and some make life a little more difficult if you're not able to play like me 20 years and and you know don't have any financial issues or any kid issues or any stuff like that you said um that you started to realize that a lot of what we take for granted is actually untrue and and some of this by this i mean our civilization is built on lies.
Yep. You started to figure that out in high school.
What do you think, but you also said you're in favor of just disclosing, like the government should tell everything it knows. If it did that, if we actually learned the truth about everything, various wars that we've had, assassinations that we've had, our economy, like what would happen? The government thinks things would fall apart.
People would just be so overwhelmed and so disgusted that they wouldn't believe in the government. They would, I don't know, become nihilists or something.
Like what do you think would happen if we actually knew the truth about everything? I don't think that's the worst thing. I mean, if you're making decisions based on what's the worst that could happen in this case, I think there'd be a ton of people actually connecting and finding common ground because it'd be a common enemy.
You know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That's right.
Right.

And I think it'd be fascinating to watch the structures we put so much trust in just crumble.

And I think a lot of that needs to happen,

whether that's in one disclosure, one fell swoop or over the years.

It is kind of wild though that we still can't release the JFK files.

And that happened in 1963. We're 60, what, 61 years this November? Yeah.
Pfizer tried to release their files in 75 years initially. That's what they asked.
You know, they're testing stuff. 75 years they wanted.
Disclosure on the UFO stuff was supposed to happen many times, right?

Trump.

Most recently last year.

Trump supposedly saw it and then decided not to release it, right?

Or was that the JFK stuff he was talking about?

Both.

Both, yeah.

And Biden, everything's gotten pushed back.

I don't know.

I think in order for us to advance as a society, there has to be,

in this age of Aquarius, there has to be disclosure. I mean, for you, you had to be privy living in Washington, working for Fox, being the top guy there, stuff that not everybody knows.
And you probably know more than the common person. But how much did you encounter, you don't have to get specific, is stuff that you don't think the american public could handle that you know or that you believe um i mean i agree with you a hundred percent and i thought that was so nicely put and so smart that if you knew the truth your belief in lies of course would evaporate you'd no longer believe the liars and that's not a bad thing but that you would be united much more than we are now with your fellow Americans.
And I think that's a really, that's a wonderful way to look at it. I think that's absolutely right.
Yeah, I said enemy of my enemy, but it's like, I'm not enemies with a Democrat or a Republican. I'm not enemies with somebody that has different skin color.
I totally get it. I think of that about race all the time.
But they put us against each course they want to divide it you know if you watch the media i've thought of this couple years ago they're always calling me racist white supremacist when they never bother me that much because i'm not you're a putin apologist i didn't care at all about that but i didn't really want to be called a racist because that's awful you know it's awful to be a racist so um but then it stopped bothering me but i was left with the feeling man there's a lot of racial tension in this country and there's clearly some but i gotta tell you in the last i don't know 10 years i've never i've not had one black person confront me about being racist not one not a single time and i've also not heard people like angry about race in my personal life maybe it's just me i think there's a lot less race hate than we're told there is much less i think most people kind of get along with each other actually in this country i believe that and i it's very clear to me that they're doing this on purpose the people in charge in order to keep us divided and angry and confused. So I agree with you that disclosure would have that effect.
In my specific case, I feel like I've learned probably too much about a couple of topics because, by the way, there's some things that I can't prove that I believe to be true, so I don't repeat them. But the UAP stuff, some of it is really distressing to me what i believe to be true but i can't prove it but um as i've said before i think it's spiritual i think some of these things are dark anti-human um probably some aren't but you know i do you think because there's there's potential anti-human uh properties that there's actually pro-human supernatural well i think god's i think god's real for sure and as you know evil flourishes you also see it's it's obverse you see good at work you see god at work i do in my life all the time in a way that i didn't say five years ago i wasn't thinking like that at all.
I'm a very secular person who grew up in a very secular world. Unlike you, I did not grow up in any recognizable church at all.
And so I had none of those assumptions. But no, I think it's, you know, in bad times like this one, there are miraculous and heartening moments.

And I see that all the time.

If we learned everything that the government is hiding from us, what would you be most interested in learning about?

Well, I mean, JFK for sure.

Yeah.

I want to see those files because that's what got me into it.

But I think the UAP thing. Would you be shocked to learn that jeffrey epstein didn't kill himself no i mean how many how many jeffrey epstein type people are out there well that's right that's the real question you mean people who've been killed who've been killed or people who are using sex as a blackmail tool that That.
Yep. And then who's pulling the strings on that? Any guesses? Ghislaine Maxwell has a lot of ties to the Mossad.
Yep. That would make sense.
I mean, Jeffrey didn't seem to get some of the appointments he was given in the prominence based on merit. Somebody was putting him in the right spots.
But I don't think he's the only one. I think there's a problem, a weird, bizarre problem, really, that has a weird sex component to it with some of the elites.
And there's a pedophile component to it as well, which is really sick. And there's some prominent figures who are in the spotlight as of late.

I would like that to be exposed.

But Jeffrey Epstein had the goods on everybody.

There were a lot of people that didn't want him to be alive.

And then the whole wild story wild story around you know multiple people being sleep and you know him not being watched at the time is real convenient and i just don't believe in that many coincidences no no no he was he was murdered in in federal detention in manhattan i don't think there's any question about that and people lied about it including the including the then attorney general of the United States. I think there's some weird correlations between the, and anomalies that, you know, the Johnny Depp trial had eyes on it, crazy coverage.
And the Ghislaine Maxwell trial had next to no coverage, no TV coverage, no common, no nightly commentary about it, no traffic to nobody. I mean, they literally got, she is indicted for trafficking kids and nobody who she was trafficking kids to got indicted.
Or named. Yeah.
And all the files that are out there haven't, still haven't been released. We have one testimony from one victim.'s all we have when that came out

this is literally like one victim and there's hundreds of just in that little who flew on the lolita express and there's a lot of super prominent names who are on the flight logs What's the sex thing about uh i mean you've been in famous guy world for a long time and you're from like me you're from california so obviously you've been around well-known cultural figures um the elites have you how long have you thought this that that sex plays a role well not not that long i mean i've just kind of uh you know i've seen some interesting things i bet you have um been around some interesting parties and yeah gatherings that are strange um not anything like what it sounds like, you know, a ditty party. But just even at an Oscar party, just seeing how some of these people act was always a little bit strange.
I just never resonated with it. It was almost like interesting people watching.
But there always seemed like there was parties within the party. people kind of doing their own thing um that always kind of weirded me out a little bit but uh but getting into conspiracy stuff then you know about secret society stuff and like stuff like the bohemian grove yes and you know what nixon said about the bohemian grove and what did he say he well you have to go look at his quote his quote is not exactly uh you know there's some they're all gay right something like that's basically what he said yeah um and the secrecy around that and there's that's not the only secret society there's a lot of really interesting secret societies not just like the skull and bones at yale which has produced all those presidents and in the you know freemasonry at its highest level and

um there is a sexual component i think to a lot of that um obviously with epstein it was blackmail to get them and do what they want i mean how many people are compromised by that that are in positions of power today yeah i think you're naive i think it's none and you said on the podcast with Joe. The scary part for those people is that, and for us, is they could put something on your computer to cancel you.
They could set you up for something. Oh, of course.
Thankfully me. I don't watch porn.
I've never been into any weird kinky stuff. So it'd be really, you know, and I'm taking my survival conversation.
I think it'd be pretty unwise for a prominent person to get into online porn because all that stuff is monitored. I mean, what? Yeah, but I think a lot of those people probably are.
You'd have to be an idiot. There's a camera on your phone and your ipad and your laptop yeah yeah but i mean didn't um you know again there's weird anomalies with everything but the you know it gets used all the time right like stuff like that gets used all the time to silence people to quiet people now whether that's legitimate or not if it's legitimate that's sick and gross and those people should be if it's illegitimate it's not real and it's been planted like that's a shitty sandwich well kitty porn i always i always try and say it out loud just to indemnify myself to protect myself against i don't i don't have a laptop i'm not into porn or kitty porn i just want to say that out loud yeah i'm gonna say the same thing you do feel like never been into it whenever someone i wouldn't kill myself i love my life if you can spend five nights with darkness i think you're psychologically pretty healthy like you're you're beating the averages on that um i feel like i'm pretty psychologically healthy and i could not do that but if you found out everything you said faith in government would collapse completely yes and that's a good thing but would would that be like the road to anarchy at that point?

I think you might need some of that you know like what anarchy i think is always seen it's you have to look up that and give me the exact definition of anarchy but the thought of anarchy is just like chaos yes chaos but it's more just a i believe it's more like a belief in uh the uh it says it's a doubt in the government's ability to do its job yes at its core well i qualify then yeah um i'm not going to call you an anarchist but um we need some of that we need we need some of uh we need some more questioning we need we need more um disclosure we need more things being brought out to light um we need more journalists doing their job and having the right conversations i'm excited for you to i can't even imagine who you're going to get on on your podcast because it's going to be amazing the first one and i'm, and I'm grateful. So if, just two more questions.
And then I have one at the end too. So the first one is, I asked you what you're going to do when you retire, which is probably imminent, just at some point, just because of your age and your amazing longevity so far on the sport.
But you said you just want to take a deep breath. Could you see yourself running for office? No, no, I don't think so.
No, I just, I don't, I believe in Bobby and what he's standing for. But I've never been super into politics.
And as said publicly, I believe it's a sham. Now, I retract that in the context of Bobby because I believe in what he stands for.
But I've never felt like there's been two parties. It's just been the same people and bombs still get dropped regardless of whether it's Trump or Obama or Bush or Clinton.
Wars still get fought. Taxes still get levied.
Evil and corruption still exists. Secret handshake society still exists.
The lobbyist power still exists. All the big whatever, military industrial complex still exists no matter who's in charge.
So how much can you actually impact? I don't know. I mean, I like to think that if Bobby got in, if they didn't take him out, that he could enact some real change.
I think the alphabet groups need a full makeover. And if we're going to support espionage, then let's make sure we're not doing it our own people who are good, you know, uh, self, you know, conscientious, uh, freedom loving Americans.
Republican, Democrat, independent, black, white, Asian, Mexican, whatever it is, just great fucking people who live in this country. Leave us alone.
Leave us alone. Yeah.
Stop spying on me. Yeah.
Get off my computer, get get off my cameras get off my ring camera you know take down all this stupid cctv cameras everywhere that are watching everything and because the next step to all of this people don't realize this and this is the facts is china and what's going on there and social credit scores and entire life monitored. Like that's where we're going.
Slowly, Jordan Peterson said, I was doing an interview and talked about how does, I can't remember what the conversation was, but I heard him say this, how does corruption take form when it's so obvious? It's slow movements. It inching towards you know total uh corruption and obedience where you don't really see it coming next thing you know like oh i have no other option but to get a chip in my hand or totally uh have a social credit score that allows me to you know fly in a plane if i don't have a good one then i gotta ride on a bus or a train or a cab or you know i can drive you know they want all electric cars i can just you know shut that off at some point because you your post on facebook uh you know kind of violated the government standard here and also we're going to freeze your bank account or only let you you know eat at this restaurant sorry eat at the you know get groceries from this store not like the nice you know organic store you don't have to eat this shit over here or eat insects or whatever the hell.

The Oreo store.

Yeah.

Lucky charms.

We're not far from that if we don't stand for civil liberties. And people always like, you know, when I talk about,

because I've always been a big proponent of Ed Snowden,

people are like, well, I have nothing to hide.

And I'm like, that is the fucking worst answer.

Because I don't have anything to hide either. But I want my privacy.
And you don't understand. You think the government's just going to stop at what they're doing now? They're not going to stop with this.
They're inching closer to being 1984 where they have a set in your, some sort of TV set in your house that watches you. Make sure you get up and do your 10 push-ups, 10 sit-ups.
We're going to watch every aspect of your life. We're going to give you a social credit score.
We're going to create, I mean, it's a fucking great book to read. It was written in 1949.
And how many, how accurate it is today. Literally a ministry of truth.
We had the, we literally had a government organization that was censoring free speech and categorizing things as misinformation. There was a Ministry of Truth czar who was making decisions based on what they thought was acceptable language online, and all these fact-checking bullshit.
We're not far from 1949, from that book, 1984, which was in 1949 um if we don't take a stand for our civil liberties and that's why i think that there needs to be more disclosure i hope there is i hope there's more corruption i hope bobby gets a chance to to debate because i think you do a hell of a job i hope nicole gets a chance to debate against uh kamala harris because i think that'd be a big win for her um have you met her no i haven't no but i i enjoy enjoy what she says um my last question is like we are moving there and no one is stopping it at this as of today you know may 2024 so where are we in five years i you know i was a little bit worried come out of covid because i saw so many people who were manipulated by fear and laid down and followed the rules i think it was a lot of people who are captivated by fear for sure but the majority was conscientious good-hearted americans that. I really do believe that, who just wanted to do what they thought was right.
Exactly. Trusting that the government wouldn't lie to them, wouldn't fuck with them.
And I think those people are waking up. That's why I have hope.
I really do have hope that we've learned our lesson and that the powers that be the the uh the evil unseen world um overstepped a little bit too far and that they they got power hungry and they got uh a little over their skis and the people woke up and are not going to allow this to happen again. And there's some weird things going on in the world right now.
The stuff of the border is very weird. I'm like listening to Brett Weinstein talk on Rogan about the groups of Chinese military-age men that are getting in, it's very unnerving.

And they're doing it in new ways and we're not prosecuting anybody in a lot of these big cities.

And there's a George Soros of the world who are anti-human and funding a lot of these protests probably on these college campuses as they're arresting people who don't have student IDs, who aren't a part of it. We saw it in Wisconsin when there was riots going on.
They were bossing people in from Illinois and Iowa and all these different places. So there's anti-human people out there who don't want this to happen.
But I think there's so many incredible, good-hearted, conscientious Americans, both Republican, Democrat, independent, undecided, don't give a shit about politics, obsess over C-SPAN every every day or whatever it might be who are just waking up and going you know what this is not the america that you know my ancestors fought for that i want to be a part of that it was when i was a kid when i was in high school when i was in college whatever it might be and they're not going to put up with it much longer and i think that that's what i'm saying i think the the evil kind of overstepped a little bit too far and now that uh the tides are turning i hope you're right i hope we look back and see covet as a blessing because you're yeah this is the other part of it is where do we get our media from these days like the the the information police who forever growing up not me but like the walter cronkites of the world who are idolized as like the dan rathers even who like it seemed like there was somebody you could trust who was giving you the truth on tv yes that those days are gone and thankfully x has some level of freedom of speech still but media our media we get from majority of us from twitter not from fox or cnn true right you had a huge following but then you go to x and your numbers go fucking crazy yeah but the majority how we're going to change the world i think is by having conversations like this they're not just. I'm just some, you know, some anti-vaxxer, you know, football player.
Conspiracy theorist. Conspiracy theorist, yeah.
But with Joe, I mean, the most influential people in the world, right? Joe Rogan's one of them. Yeah.
Joe has 10 plus million listened to everyone whose podcast. Every single podcast

that he does

goes immediately

to number one on Spotify.

Oh, yeah.

Yourself,

the numbers you got,

impressions you got,

the views you got

when you did interviews

with Trump and Putin

and everybody in between

were astronomical.

Nobody's ever seen.

And it's going to be,

what gives me hope

is that you

have a voice of reason.

You are willing

to stand up

what you believe in

and that,

you know,

guys like Joe

Thank you. hope is that you have a voice of reason.
You are willing to stand up what you believe in and that, you know, guys like Joe and yourself and countless others are willing to like lay their reputation aside, uh, get canceled for standing up for what they believe is right. And that's the way that we change things.
So that's why I fucking am a huge fan of yours and just want to encourage you if i can to just like fucking keep doing what you're doing because this is how the world changes by having long-form conversation with interesting people who can change the narrative and get people to go you know what maybe i can change my opinion because that's the only way that we grow together is by talking to people that we don't actually agree on everything or we have a what we think is a tightly held belief and we go you know what I'm going to loosen that grip a little bit and just listen to what somebody else has to say and then maybe there's something in there that goes I like that I might I might not have to hold so firmly to this anymore and it's it's just like in the church right? And you're a spiritual person. I'm a spiritual person.
Talking about aliens, you can't talk about that shit in church, right? No, there's no other. God created Adam and Eve and just on this planet, right? There's nothing else to look at.
Well, there's some weird extraterrestrial references in the Bible that they didn't have maybe the words for, but there could be some other shit going on here. And maybe I shouldn't hold so tightly to that one belief that I'm the only thing on this entire earth and the earth is 5,000 years old and there's nothing else going on here.
Like we all need to transgress, you know, to transcend, sorry, our beliefs to include the stuff that we want. But in order for us to get to the next level, whether that's the next dimension, a new earth, a new way of living, is to transcend and include what we believe.
And in doing that, I think it's talking to people that we don't necessarily agree with. It's like what I'm trying to do and will continue to try and do, and that's have empathy and compassion for people that have slandered me shame me and canceled me tried to and get past that that's the most christian possible thing you could do i mean christians are commanded to do that they don't but they

they're commanded to do that pray for those who persecute you love your enemies i mean that's

and like sincerely do it i'm gonna oh that's i mean sincerely try and try and do that and i think

Thank you. love your enemies i mean that's and like sincerely do it i'm gonna oh that's i mean sincerely try and try and do that and i think we can all do that on some level but it starts with just like just opening your heart a little bit trying to love people a little bit better trying to love yourself a little bit better and then not being scared to stand up for what you believe in.
It feels like there's a depth of conversation. This is my last question, but have you noticed in your personal life that the conversations you're having with the people you love who are friends with, that they're much deeper than they were five years ago? Much, much deeper.
Yeah. I think there's a number of reasons for that.
It's just where I'm at personally and the changes I've tried to make. But I think in general, people are desperate for that deep connection and they're just tired of surface level stuff and they really want to go deep.
And we attract our tribe, you know, your vibe attracts your tribe. And just like you said, I don't really know anybody who's like, you know, vaxxed or wearing a mask in cars.
I don't really either. And there's no judgment.
There's no judgment. I'm not judging.
It's just interesting. That's just where you're at on your journey.
That's awesome. That's great.
You know, like I wish you didn't have that much fear, but like mad love, you know, whatever you're're doing but like the people that i'm trying to attract and that i have been um is just people who are desperate for like depth and connection and finding like common ground even the people that i don't i had to know with people recently that are you know fully vaxxed and double boosted and we had a beautiful conversation about you know a dozen different topics i left going going fuck that's awesome like i love being able to connect with people like that who don't have a base level of like yes belief that i do but the but we both came to the table like in the actual table of like wanting to have like a deep conversation and understand each other better and i think that's how we move this thing forward and that's my life is just like people who want to go deep and whether it's on medicine or off medicine or talking about medicine or not talking about medicine, it's all, you know, it's all like, how can we connect deeper? How can we love better? How can we love ourselves and our world and actually make a difference? And that's why, you know, guys like yourself, guys like Joe are making a difference because they're platforming people who who really care about this life and are doing awesome things and when you hear somebody who's passionate about something it just gets you like kind of i agree vitalized about life and you're like oh fuck yeah like these people do love america and they do want to make a difference and they do you know care about right and wrong and there is a field of value where things are good and things are evil and stand up for what's good and that's that's what you doing. That's what you did on Fox for all those years.
That's what you did when you fucking left Fox. And I'm just glad to know you.
Glad to be friends. I am too.
Thank you, Aaron Rodgers. And thank you for dinner.
That was great. Thank you.
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