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Speaker 1 If you don't pay close attention to Joe Biden, you're probably content to dismiss him as just a senile old fool who's exiting the stage at high speed.

Speaker 1 But if you actually listen to him, if you watch what Joe Biden says, it dawns on you, actually, this man is evil, actually evil.

Speaker 1 Listen to what he says. It's dishonest.
It's vicious. It's cruel to his fellow Americans.
He's a bad person, and he's the president of the United States.

Speaker 1 And yet no one seems to say that out loud or even notice. Instead, our moral superiors, our overlords, are very exercised about, well, some people you've probably not even heard of.

Speaker 1 People on the internet who are saying true things. And one of the people who makes the maddest is a guy really an account called Cat Turd.
Yes, that's the name, one word, on X, formerly Twitter.

Speaker 1 Cat Turd has millions of followers and is remarkably, remarkably controversial for a person whose name has never been spoken in public.

Speaker 1 He actually got into a fight with Adam Kinzinger, no less than Adam Kinzinger. Speaking of evil, here's, in case you've forgotten it, here's what it looked like.

Speaker 3 Kinzinger made that clear the other day when he responded personally to a Twitter account called Cat Turd.

Speaker 3 Because when you're one of Washington's leading authorities on foreign policy, you spend a lot of time on Twitter reading accounts with names like Cat Turd.

Speaker 3 So the other day, Cat Turd made the mistake of posting a meme that seemed to mock the colors of the Ukrainian flag, colors that are sacred to Adam Kinzinger and every other empathetic sacramometer of mid-40s.

Speaker 1 You can imagine how offensive that was.

Speaker 3 It was like telling an off-color joke about Megan Markle. It could not stand.

Speaker 3 And so alone and battling debilitating hot flashes in his kitchen, fighting the urge to open yet another bag of chips ahoy, Adam Kinzinger fought back.

Speaker 3 Literal evil, he wrote in a late-night response to Cat Turd.

Speaker 3 If I met you in person, it would not end well for you, sicko.

Speaker 3 Whoa.

Speaker 3 Hear that, Cat Turd? It will not end well for you.

Speaker 3 That's not a pillow fight, Adam Kinzinger is talking about. That's a full-on slap fight with hair pulling.
This is real. You'd better apologize.

Speaker 3 Our heart goes out to Cat Turd tonight, who's probably cowering in a litter box somewhere, waiting for Adam Kinzinger to show up with sharpened nails.

Speaker 2 So Cat Turd, enraged Adam Kinzinger.

Speaker 1 And it's also been noticed on late night comedy shows. Watch.

Speaker 4 And things seemed to hit a new low last night as he retweeted three times an account called Cat Turd.

Speaker 4 Now to be fair, the cat is wearing glasses, so it must be smart.

Speaker 4 The actual Twitter handle for the account is CatTurd2.

Speaker 4 And I, for one, cannot wait to see what's in store from Cat Turd 3.

Speaker 4 Cat Turd sounds like someone Joe Bryden would have bought up in a speech during the primaries.

Speaker 4 When I was growing up in Scranton, there was a real mean son of a gun. We used to call him Cat Turd.

Speaker 4 He could do up and bebop like nobody's business. What was I talking about? Oh, yeah, climate change.

Speaker 1 Well, there's a reason nobody watches late-night comedy shows anymore, but still, Cat Turd seems to to offend people. Why is that? Who is this man? Who's Cat Turd one?

Speaker 5 Well, we found him.

Speaker 1 He's a man. He's from the South.
That's all we know. He wants to keep his name private because he doesn't want his life any more disrupted than it already has been.

Speaker 1 But he is joining us anyway in physical form. Cat Turd, it's great to see you.

Speaker 2 How are you doing? So

Speaker 2 you made it, Tucker. So many questions.

Speaker 1 So many questions. So I actually don't know your real name, just for the record.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What year did you graduate from Yale?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I graduated Yale, I think, 1984.

Speaker 2 No, seriously. I'm guessing you didn't go to Yale, and I mean that.
I went to Harvard after you went to Harvard.

Speaker 1 I remember you so well there.

Speaker 2 Where are you?

Speaker 1 What was your preparation for being captured? Like, tell us your life trajectory. Who are you without revealing your name?

Speaker 2 Well, I'm from northwest Florida. I mean, Georgia.

Speaker 2 Same thing. Yeah.
Well, I live in Northwest Florida now. But so I graduated high school kind of early at 17, joined the Army.

Speaker 2 I was telling you earlier, I spent my 18th birthday in a foxhole in Fort Dix, New Jersey in basic training, back when it really was basic training.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 I got injured. I was over in Bad Kissing, Germany, and we were on alert.
And I hurt my back real bad and had surgery.

Speaker 2 And that was pretty much the end of my Army career. I was a medivac back to Fort Gordon, Georgia, had back surgery.
I actually tried to stay in, but

Speaker 2 they wouldn't let me. Yeah.
I mean, it's been something I've had to deal with my whole life.

Speaker 1 So they wrecked your body and then kicked you out?

Speaker 2 Yeah, pretty good. Okay.
You know, it was an honorable medical discharge, but yeah. And so after that,

Speaker 2 I hitchhiked to Panama City, and I've pretty much been in the Panhandle ever since. You know, I'm 59 years old.

Speaker 2 I spent,

Speaker 2 you know, just like most people, I was,

Speaker 2 I'm different than most of the influencers that uh do all the right things have the kids wear the suit and ties i pretty much was um

Speaker 2 screwed up until i was about 40 45 years you were i had a couple of failed marriages uh followed by uh i was just i was a professional musician for a year i was a hippie i had long hair and a beard and and smoked weed and had a vw van and wore really dyed shirts i did i did i was a real hippie um

Speaker 2 i uh went from job to job partied a lot here to there yeah i partied a lot. I had my stint with drugs and alcohol.
And, you know, I don't know why everybody's scared to admit it.

Speaker 2 You know, everybody paints the

Speaker 2 big, famous picture. You know, this big picture of how

Speaker 2 in the world that we live in today, it's just like, I just, I've always been honest with my followers and on my podcast.

Speaker 1 I don't trust people who don't know how weak they are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. Yeah.
And so I

Speaker 2 kind of aimlessly went through my life. And then I finally ended up, you know, working a good fiber optics job for years.

Speaker 2 At 54 years old, which was five years ago, I'd never been on social media. I didn't know anything about social media.
I didn't even know how it worked. I had no friends on social media.

Speaker 2 And I just decided to,

Speaker 2 I got arthritis in my fingers. I couldn't play guitar anymore.
And I was just like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to get on Twitter.

Speaker 2 And I just, you know, saw the cat, just said cat turret. I never thought I'd have 100 followers.
You know, who'd think that it's just like, it's like Homer Simpson now. Cat turrets.

Speaker 2 It's way beyond me. You know, they're doing.

Speaker 1 Wait, if I can just ask you to pause, what was the moment when you decided to make that your numb to guerre?

Speaker 2 I just was like

Speaker 2 surfing through the web and I saw that cat picture and it just cat turret. It was that simple.
I mean, who, you know, I didn't think anybody was ever going to follow me.

Speaker 2 I remember asking people for weeks, how do I post a picture on here?

Speaker 2 And so I don't even know how it took off. It just got legs somehow and it just took off.

Speaker 1 So, but why did you do it?

Speaker 1 Why did I do what? Why did you go online and start giving your opinions?

Speaker 2 I don't know. Well, I've always been, as a professional musician

Speaker 2 in the 90s,

Speaker 2 you have to be good at construction.

Speaker 2 Construction. Yeah, because you got to make money.
Yeah. You're not going to make it.

Speaker 2 I'm a little slow. I admit that.
So you better learn to build stuff. So, you know, me and my band, guys, we were builders.
You know, know, we built decks, roofs,

Speaker 2 build a house, whatever. And so in the 90s,

Speaker 2 you're bored and, you know, we played music at night. We didn't want to listen to music.
So I started listening to Rush Limbaugh. Really?

Speaker 2 So every day we'd listen to Rush Limbaugh while we were building houses, whatever.

Speaker 1 You and every construction crew in America. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it just, it just like, this is, I didn't even know. I was a hippie.
I thought I was a liberal. I didn't know what I was still.

Speaker 2 And I was like, this guy's saying everything I believe.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it was,

Speaker 2 it was, you know, I listened to him to the day he died. Really? Yeah.
I was a total rush, baby. And it was just like, this guy's talking exactly what I think.

Speaker 2 And I never even knew what I was until, you know, I started listening to him. But that's how I got in.
And I was just a political junkie from the first time I heard him.

Speaker 2 And it's just been like that ever since. So I got on, you know, Twitter, now X, and just started posting.
And,

Speaker 2 man, man, what a five years.

Speaker 1 It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 It is. I mean,

Speaker 1 but, but why did you do that?

Speaker 1 I mean, a lot of people have political opinions, but they don't imagine that other people want to read them, or they don't feel compelled to share them with the world on a social media app.

Speaker 2 I don't know why it caught fire.

Speaker 1 But why did you want to do it?

Speaker 2 Because you were frustrated? Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 2 I just, you know, I think as an artistic, although I didn't play on stage a lot in the last years, I would always go to my room and I wrote a lot of music. I actually wrote my best stuff then.

Speaker 2 And it was just, I need that artistic outlet. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And when I lost that, I was really kind of depressed because I'd lost my fingers. It's like overnight.
They started swelling up.

Speaker 2 I got arthritis from playing guitar and using power tools my whole life.

Speaker 2 And I was just like, I just need to do something. And so I just...
Got on social media.

Speaker 2 It's just the spur of the moment. It was my birthday.
It was like two days after my birthday. I said, I'm going to join Twitter.
And I was asking people, I was calling people, how do you join Twitter?

Speaker 2 Well, how do you do a picture?

Speaker 1 Is there a membership committee?

Speaker 2 What's the rules?

Speaker 1 So when, at what point did it, I can't remember the first time I saw it, but

Speaker 1 at what point did you realize it was working?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I remember after two or three months,

Speaker 2 I was working on a job in Miami. And I told one of my friends that was rooming with me at the time, we were working there.
I said, man, this thing's really taking off. And he thought I was crazy.

Speaker 2 He said, what? And I said, this cat turd thing. And he's just, he thought I was nuts.
Because, you know, everybody did. And I was trying to tell everybody, this thing's really taking off.

Speaker 2 And everybody's just like, whatever. You know, here's the shovel.
Start get them rocks over there in that hole.

Speaker 2 And it just, it just caught fire. I don't know how.
I don't know how it did. And it just keeps going.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 I mean, so you're in Miami rooming with another guy that you're working with. Yeah.

Speaker 1 On some kind of job.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Fiber optics job. I I did fiber optic construction for years after I got finished, you know, with my music career.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 like at the point that Adam Kinzinger starts replying to you and threatening your life.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, that would be quite a slap fight. Do you feel confident you're going to be able to do that?

Speaker 2 I don't know. You know, it's,

Speaker 2 he's scary.

Speaker 2 I want to sleep eye to eye with him, so I'm going to go get a Home Depot five-gallon bucket and see if he can stand on it.

Speaker 1 But when Adam Kinzinger himself oh yeah he's got a you know he's got ukraine to defend oh yeah he's super busy um

Speaker 2 transitioning or whatever he's doing um when he takes time to attack you and threaten to beat you up or scratch you yeah like and that wasn't my meme i just said i think i said i shouldn't be laughing at this but it's funny yeah and then um and then it made it worse you know once he does that that he he don't understand how the internet works now they got his face on it yeah you know what i mean now now all the time you see that meme it's his face on it now.

Speaker 1 Well, how do you understand how the internet works?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I just somehow do.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Yeah.
So what has it done to your life?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 it's totally changed my life.

Speaker 2 You know, financially, I started selling merch and then I got a podcast. You know, we got Jules and I, I have a co-host, Jules Jones.
Our podcast is called In the Litterbox.

Speaker 2 You know, we got to deal with Rumble, which we love. We love Rumble.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 then, you know, fast forward to these ad shares, which are crazy, you know, with Elon Musk. I mean, it's big money.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I bought a new truck a couple of weeks ago. I never had a new vehicle in my life, you know.
And to be able to do something like that for me, I mean, I think a lot of people...

Speaker 2 I know what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck for most of my life. I know what it's like to live like a tea bag, you know, at the end of the workday and be so sore.

Speaker 2 I know what it's like to choose from your rent and food. I know what it's like to

Speaker 2 ride around on four different tires.

Speaker 2 One's got three plugs, one's got five plugs, one's got 13 plugs in it. You know, we call them baloney skins, no tread.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 a lot of people just,

Speaker 2 I'm kind of like the Rudy of Twitter. I probably don't deserve to be there, but I worked hard enough to maybe get that one play

Speaker 2 at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 It's the most American story ever.

Speaker 2 It really is nuts.

Speaker 1 It really is nuts.

Speaker 2 I don't think there's a lot of people like my situation because, like I said, most of the influencers are, I mean, they just, they've, they've, and they did the right thing. Not me.

Speaker 2 I did the wrong thing. They did the right thing.
They've got great wives and kids and,

Speaker 2 you know, they've made a lot of money. They've got, you know, parents that are successful and they went to college.

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 2 And I'm just a working class stiff.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the ruling class of of the country yeah and i'm from it so i know i know yeah um so it's pretty amazing to see this happen to you it is and so how much of your day is spent on it pretty much

Speaker 2 seven days a week i'm an insomniac i always have been so i get up at four or five and i basically

Speaker 2 do it seven days a week you know, 15 hours a day.

Speaker 1 But you've spent your life moving, physically moving outside. Obviously, it's been hard on your body, as you said.

Speaker 2 Oh, it has.

Speaker 1 But it's also, there's something good about moving. And I mean, what's it like the change at 55 to go from, you know, being on the road installing fiber cable to sitting behind a screen all day?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's fantastic.

Speaker 2 Screw moving.

Speaker 2 No, but we'll.

Speaker 2 Sorry, that's so awesome.

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Speaker 2 I've got 13 rescue pets and I still, you know, I still take care of my, I got a little, I got a horse wrench, but there's no horses. It's got a barn and the whole deal.

Speaker 2 And it's fenced in where my dogs can run free. And I chase them around all day.

Speaker 1 13 rescues?

Speaker 2 Yeah, 13 now.

Speaker 1 What's that like?

Speaker 2 It's, well, I post all the pictures online and it's all these beautiful pictures, but they don't see all the fights and the growling. And, you know,

Speaker 2 he's swallowing a bone and he's swallowed a rope and they're all chasing a squirrel and they're fighting and you know they don't see all that but it's it it

Speaker 2 i don't know what happened um

Speaker 2 but they just started coming to me i've never been to a rescue shelter they i found all of my pets uh starving and beaten and abandoned and uh and just on the side of the road all the dogs except i got two puppies one of the dogs i got

Speaker 2 came in and she was young. I didn't think anything about it and she got pregnant.
And before I knew it, it was just like, I had 10 puppies

Speaker 2 on top of this. And it's funny because I gave them away and they got Twitter accounts.
I got huge Twitter accounts. People follow the puppies.
They're called puppy turds.

Speaker 1 Why do you adopt so many animals?

Speaker 2 I just, I mean,

Speaker 2 when you see a dog starving, what are you going to do? And then I try to tell myself, I'm going to rehome some of these.

Speaker 2 And then you spend so much time with them trying to just like get them fed.

Speaker 2 They're so,

Speaker 2 the ones I find, they're so almost dead, starving to death. So, and then I fall in love with them.
I can't let them go. And it's that simple.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's, I mean, that's pretty, that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 But I got to stop.

Speaker 1 Well, now you can afford the dog food.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so

Speaker 2 I can. And I, you know, it's just kind of turning a thing where people say, hey, cat turd, I got a rescue we found on the side of the the road, so I'll post it or I'll repost it.

Speaker 2 And it's just turned into something I do. I've had kennels built and you got to keep them separated.
Some of them, you know, they're from, some of them I find they're 10 years old.

Speaker 2 Some I find they're puppies and some of them just don't like each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dogs are like that. Yeah.
It's hard to get pack cohesion.

Speaker 1 So you're not telling us your real name or taking your glasses off, which I respect, but tell us why. Tell us why that would be a concern in a supposedly free country.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so number one, I like being in the background. I get invited to all the red carpet events and stuff, but I never ghost.
It's not my thing.

Speaker 2 But, I mean, for just saying my opinion, and that's all I do. I just give my opinion.
I just like look at each issue. And

Speaker 2 they call me a right-wing fanatic on Wikipedia. And, you know, all these hit pieces they do.
But, you know, I hate the Republican and Democrat Party equally. Me too.

Speaker 2 I mean, we have a country now, 99% of Washington, D.C., is just corrupt. And

Speaker 2 we're the resist. You're not the resist.
You know, the people online,

Speaker 2 we are the resist. And we're just trying to fix the country.
So for doing my common, you know, sense of pins, I get death threats. I've been swatted three times.
They try to have me murder.

Speaker 1 Well, tell us what that's like.

Speaker 2 Well, it always usually happens during my podcast. But so

Speaker 2 the last time they call and pretend to be me, and they said that

Speaker 2 I caught my wife in bed with somebody, and I'm not married.

Speaker 2 And I shot them both, and then when the police get there, I'm going to kill them. So they'll try to come up and get you.
They try to get you murdered. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 It's attempted murder, if you ask me.

Speaker 1 During your podcast?

Speaker 2 It's always during the podcast. It's happened to me three times.
It's happened to a lot of us. You know, it's happened to Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tim Poole.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 once you get to a certain level, they're going to come after you.

Speaker 2 Lately, they've been cutting heads off rabbits and throwing them off the body over my gate.

Speaker 2 Seriously. That's happened three times now, too.

Speaker 1 So we live in

Speaker 1 a country where the citizenry is surveilled much more thoroughly than North Korea surveills its own citizens. Like everything you do is monitored, right?

Speaker 1 Through your phone, facial recognition, satellites, everything is monitored. But they can't find the people who are doing this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and are they even interested in finding it if it happens to us?

Speaker 2 I mean, who do we call? Who do you call? Who do you call? Because there is nobody. Now, the local police where I live are awesome.
And I support the blue. I always have.

Speaker 2 I just don't support the feds at all. I mean, look what they've turned into, Tucker.

Speaker 2 It's awful.

Speaker 1 So you call the local cops when this happens, and what do they say?

Speaker 2 Well, the first time I did it, They were like, you're cat turd, aren't you?

Speaker 2 And so, yeah, so I left them after the first time. I gave them a bunch of gear.
You know, here, get some cat turd stuff.

Speaker 2 But they, they actually come and they patrol my property a lot, mainly because it's one horse town. There's nothing else to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 they're great, and they watch it like a hawk. You know, they're very protective of it.
But

Speaker 2 it's like if somebody on the left annoys me, which they do a lot,

Speaker 2 I'll mute them. Right.

Speaker 2 If I annoy people, which I understand I do, they try to have me killed. I mean, that's a big gap, isn't it? Right, it's a big gap.
Muting? Yeah. Attempted murder.

Speaker 2 Big.

Speaker 1 So you spend your life watching what's happening.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What conclusions have you drawn? Where do you think we're going this year?

Speaker 2 Well, we're in trouble. I mean, it's just.

Speaker 2 I always try to be positive, but sometimes I can't see a way out of it anymore. Can you? I mean, I just don't see a way out of it.
And I'm a Trump supporter. I'm a Trump guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you, you know, I go back to the, it cracks me. The funniest thing to me on X

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 all the people that do whatever the government says that put resist in their bio. That's the funniest thing.
You know, Black Lives Matter. Obedient little bitches.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Whatever. And

Speaker 2 they can,

Speaker 2 they can tell them anything and they'll do it. If you can convince your voters that men can have babies, think about that.
You've got them.

Speaker 2 You can tell them to wear a dirty dopper on their head head and they're going to do it.

Speaker 2 They will. And

Speaker 2 they'll be racist if you don't have a dirty diaper on your head.

Speaker 2 But once they can convince you of that, I mean, you've got to know these people are laughing when they're at the bar, the Democrats, saying that we've convinced them that men can have babies.

Speaker 2 And they believe it. And they're calling everybody names that doesn't believe it.

Speaker 1 So do you see that changing at all?

Speaker 2 I believe the woke is, the woke part of it is coming to a head. I really do.
I think it's people are tired of it. I am.

Speaker 2 We don't care what names you call us. And I'm a person who believes, I don't, you know, I was a hippie.
I was a real hippie, not only fake hippies online. I was an actual hippie.

Speaker 2 I mean, I lived up, I was homeless at one time. I lived up in a tent in a lake for months.

Speaker 1 How was it?

Speaker 2 It was good. I could call a lot of crappy and I ate them

Speaker 2 every night.

Speaker 1 You're crappy every night.

Speaker 2 Oh, well, you gotta gotta eat somehow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So So

Speaker 2 it's a rough spot to be in. But

Speaker 2 what were we talking about?

Speaker 1 You're saying that people are getting sick of the anti-white stuff, the trans stuff, all that.

Speaker 2 But do kids have a chance? I mean, think about this.

Speaker 2 I'm 59. I think you're in your 50s.
And we went to school. There was...

Speaker 2 you know, we actually learned mathematics, social studies, history. But they think about a kid these days.
He goes to school.

Speaker 2 They start when they're three or four in kindergarten, and they don't have a chance. They, they, look what they do to them now.
They're like, critical race theory.

Speaker 2 You get over there, all you are racist, and you're okay.

Speaker 2 You're a racist. And then they put a mask on you, and they teach you that the air you breathe is poison.

Speaker 2 And then they tell you you're all going to die and burn in hellfire from global warming in 12 years. Think about these little kids, how scared they are.
They scare the hell out of them. Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 And then it's

Speaker 2 trans this,

Speaker 2 And they're showing BJs to seven years old in books.

Speaker 2 And then they go through the whole school and it's like that. And then they step into college.
And what's college? It's turbo now.

Speaker 2 And they're brainwashed through. And I honestly think the longer you stay in college, the dumber you get now.
I honestly don't know.

Speaker 1 There's any question about it. Does that make sense? It makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 And so you have these teachers. So they go through that and then they go and they stay in college as long as they can until they're 30 years old.
And then they go right from there to a teaching job.

Speaker 2 So they stay on campus until they're 50. So they don't have any life experience.

Speaker 2 They don't know what it's like

Speaker 2 to work for a living or run a business. And they're the ones teaching, you know, and it's just, it's horrible.
So they don't have a chance.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 all of this, or some of it, is going to come to a head this calendar year because of the presidential election. Oh, yeah.
Where do you see that going?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 man,

Speaker 2 Trump's going to win the primary. I hope everybody knows that.
We're going to call him haul around

Speaker 2 and fight each other and the DeSantis people.

Speaker 2 I'm in there. We're all fighting each other.
But Trump's going to win the primary, and he should win it.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 man,

Speaker 2 what they're doing to him. And

Speaker 2 they're not doing it to Trump to do it to Trump. They hate him.
But

Speaker 2 I always say on the podcast that Washington's okay as long as they have George Bush versus Obama every year. That's what they want.
They want George Bush versus Obama.

Speaker 2 Every four years, they split up the $4 trillion with their friends. Some of them get it sometimes.
Some of them get it, but that's what they want. They want Bush versus Obama.
They're okay with that.

Speaker 2 They love Nikki Haley. Of course they do.

Speaker 1 Can I ask you to pause? And since you're online all day, do you think there's organic support for Nikki Haley? There's none. Okay, because she's ⁇ I'm not even sure sure she's an actual human being.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's the most dangerous Republican primary candidate we've had, probably one of them in my lifetime.

Speaker 1 Why do you say that?

Speaker 2 She's just, I mean, some of the things she said lately, she's a neocon, number one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, my God.

Speaker 2 How many times are you going to be fooled, America? I mean, from the Vietnam War, if Vietnam, if North Vietnam beats South Vietnam,

Speaker 2 it's over for our country.

Speaker 2 So let's send 60,000 people to guide. Korea was the same way.
All the Middle Eastern wars. And

Speaker 2 she's right in there. Ukraine, Ukraine.

Speaker 1 But unlike you, she served our country in uniform. Oh, wait.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 2 But she's dangerous. And remember when she said a week ago, if you're anonymous on Twitter or whatever, I want your name.

Speaker 1 That's what she said. You got to register with the government to give your name.

Speaker 2 I want your name. Not the government wants it.
I do.

Speaker 2 She's dangerous. I just, I get a feel for people.
I've always had a knack to kind of feel people out. And I just,

Speaker 2 it's just, she's like Mike Pence. Yeah.
She's nothing they say is authentic. Everything sounds like it's programmed, cliches.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I've had a lot of bosses in my life and some nasty ones. You know, that's the way bosses are.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And every person I've ever talked to in my life and every boss I ever had, they talk exactly like Trump. All of them.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't have anybody in my life that sits up there like Mike Pence and, you know a bird in the hands worth two in the bush you know just every cliche you can imagine do you get a creepy vibe off pence total i say on the podcast sometimes i i don't know what's kelly's easy i'd hate to see what goes on there when the lights go out

Speaker 2 so um but it's just nobody's that perfect you know quit acting perfect i remember that time he was like i can't even have lunch with another woman because i'm married even if we're friends remember he said that yeah that's when i was like yeah i had i had a lot of thoughts about that

Speaker 1 I mean, by the way, I think if you're married, you should really actively try not to commit adultery. I think that's

Speaker 1 I totally agree with that 100%.

Speaker 1 But him specifically saying that, I reached exactly the opposite conclusion.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to say that. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I don't trust them

Speaker 2 when they're that perfect.

Speaker 2 It's just like it's planned. Everything they say is planned.
And I just, that's why I like Trump. You know, does Trump make some bad?

Speaker 2 I don't believe everything you say. You don't believe everything I say.
I don't believe everything. Trump doesn't believe everything I say.

Speaker 2 But, I mean, what they're doing now, he's already an iconic figure. And they're going to turn him into a martyr.
And they're making him more powerful and more powerful and more powerful.

Speaker 2 And I could see him, if the election was fair, I could see him just totally steamrolling. If it was fair, I know it would be.

Speaker 1 You think it will be?

Speaker 2 Well, who do we have

Speaker 2 to fight? Who do we have to fight? Ronal McDaniels? Give me a break. I mean, we got Scott Pressler out there beating the streets.
He's beating the street like

Speaker 2 a bicycle clown out there. He is going around everywhere.
He's registering voters. He's on the ground.
And the Republican Party won't give him the time of day.

Speaker 2 He knows every rule to every county in this country.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 if you could have 1,000 of him out there and they trained another thousand, you could sweep this thing.

Speaker 1 Why do you think they're not doing that?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 I mean, why would you have someone as mediocre and incapable as Rhonda McDaniel who has no track record of success in any area? Why would she run the Republican Party? That's pretty weird.

Speaker 2 I have no idea. I remember when

Speaker 2 90% of the people were complaining about her

Speaker 2 getting the job again. I remember one of the donors.

Speaker 2 This has nothing to do with y'all. The donors pick this.
I remember reading a story like that.

Speaker 1 That sounds true. It's true.

Speaker 2 They don't care. They don't care about us.

Speaker 2 I mean, i always say especially when it comes to trump the the democrat the democrats will cheat and the republicans will let him because they hate trump yeah they hate him and i mean it's a simple choice to me i mean if you're really he's the only resist president in my lifetime why do you think they hate him so much

Speaker 2 because he's not a part of their club this is not about

Speaker 2 Trump to me.

Speaker 2 It's just like, this is an outsider, and we're going to destroy his life, and we're going to show everybody out there that if you pick an outsider, somebody that we hadn't picked, going back to a Bush versus

Speaker 2 Obama situation, if it's not the people we pick that we're okay with, we're going to destroy their lives.

Speaker 2 Can't even get a lawyer. They'll arrest your lawyer for defending you.

Speaker 2 And we're going to make up stuff. We're going to say your property that's worth a billion dollars is worth $13.74.

Speaker 2 We're going to do whatever we can. And this is to show not just Trump, but anybody in the next 50 years, we will

Speaker 2 seek the FBI, the CIA. We will destroy you if you're not our chosen people.
And that's what I think is going on.

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Speaker 1 if Trump is prevented from appearing on the ballot in November if he's arrested

Speaker 1 You know, something even worse happens, which is entirely possible.

Speaker 2 It's the next step.

Speaker 1 Of course it's the next step. I don't even want to say it out loud.
Everyone knows.

Speaker 2 I hate saying it next. No, of course.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to, but everyone knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 But if he is prevented, if democracy is prevented from proceeding,

Speaker 1 what do you think the response from his voters is going to be since you follow this carefully?

Speaker 2 Well, why do you think they do the January 6th things? They want you scared that if you do anything, you could be 80 foot away, you know, outside the tape of the Capitol.

Speaker 2 You could be a half a mile away, and they're going to come after you.

Speaker 1 Because there haven't been any. I mean, this used to be a country where people felt free to assemble, as is guaranteed them in the Constitution, to make their views known.

Speaker 1 The demonstrations and rallies. You haven't seen, January 6th was the last one on the right that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 That's what they're trying to do, scare you.

Speaker 1 So, but do you think that there will be demonstrations if something... Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 But like I say, they're just making him more powerful.

Speaker 1 Making Trump more powerful. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I hate to tell you, Libs, this, but because of you, in 100 years,

Speaker 2 they're not going to be talking about me or even you. They're going to be talking about Trump in 100 years.
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 He's going to be one of the biggest figures in the history of our country. Not because of what he did, but because of how they're treating him.
And they're making him more powerful.

Speaker 2 And if he gets arrested and gets put in a jail, can you imagine?

Speaker 2 And it could happen. People say it couldn't happen.
Oh, it could happen.

Speaker 1 It could happen very easily. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who should he pick as as his running mate?

Speaker 2 Oh, man. I go back and forth from this.

Speaker 2 I would like to say this, that I don't think the VP pick really matters that much. I mean, we got Harris as a VP though, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I'll tell you, it takes a long time for me to trust you, but I'm starting to like Vivek. And I'm not sure if he's fake, and I'm not sure if it's just a show.
But man, he's pissing them off

Speaker 2 bad as me and you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they hate him. They do.
And he's saying, I mean, boy,

Speaker 2 them debates. My God, he got Ronnie McDaniel.
He got all of them mad.

Speaker 2 And isn't it funny? He's running the campaign exactly what DeSantis should have been running. He's running the campaign that DeSantis, but DeSantis is running the Nikki Haley campaign.

Speaker 1 Does it seem that way?

Speaker 2 It does to me.

Speaker 2 Wow. I think you said something about his online team is just so cringe.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have gotten involved in that.
I've been trying to stay stay out of it.

Speaker 2 I just, and I know some people. But they are.

Speaker 2 I don't understand it. I mean,

Speaker 2 people like, you know,

Speaker 2 people build trust with you. It's consistency over time.
Yeah. And when you're a Trump supporter, well, some of them hated Trump, and you loved Trump and you loved him.
And now you love DeSantis.

Speaker 2 And then if he's gone, you're going to love Nikki Haley. People don't trust that.

Speaker 2 And I don't have anything against any of them. I mute a lot of them.

Speaker 2 I don't carry grudges with these people, and I welcome anybody in when it's over. Of course.
You know, I don't have any grudges.

Speaker 1 Do you think that, but it does seem, I mean, I don't follow it very closely. I'll admit, I don't want to follow it closely, but it does seem like there's enormous bitterness between

Speaker 1 the DeSantis people and the Trump people. Oh, there is.

Speaker 2 It's crazy. And I try not to get into the personal attacks.

Speaker 2 I'm kind of like Trump, even on X.

Speaker 2 If you want to, you know, I'm a shit poster.

Speaker 2 If If you want to come at the shit poster with 2 million followers, come on, and an army of, you know, foaming at the mouth, just waiting for me to say something, you know, to get on somebody.

Speaker 2 But I very seldom, I don't just attack first. But if, you know, if you keep attacking me,

Speaker 2 but it doesn't bother me. I don't, I don't take any of this stuff personally.
I mean, I don't either. You know, I.

Speaker 2 They call me every name in the book. You know,

Speaker 2 I'll be called, you know, they'll, you know, you're old, you're fat, you're ugly. I mean, that's how they fight, you know, which all three are kind of true.

Speaker 2 I'll have to beat them the next round.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 people get so mad at this, and you have to like, if you have to step back from it, and I think it's funny. I've lived in the real world where, you know, I've been in bar fights, you know,

Speaker 2 real, you know, stuff.

Speaker 2 So, you know, somebody calling me ugly and old and a boomer,

Speaker 2 I don't care.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you? I don't care.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what people say.

Speaker 1 I care what the people I love think. That's me too.
And that's it. And like you, I have a lot of dogs, which really helps.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think the breach between those two camps, Trump DeSantis, can be fixed?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think some of it, some people can't, but most people can.

Speaker 2 But this isn't my first primary.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's been, I don't know if it's ever been this vicious, but

Speaker 2 so I supported DeSantis. I'm a Florida guy, and I was glad he was our governor.
Oh, me too.

Speaker 2 I don't get paid by any campaign, and I pushed hard, and I was so glad when he won by 20 points, and I was so happy. And I think he's a good governor.
Yeah. And so, and I try to tell people,

Speaker 2 I don't want him so beaten down. and hammered that we end up getting a blue governor next, you know, a Gavin Newsom to destroy our state.
I mean, you're here now.

Speaker 2 But someone from his team, not crazy high up, but they asked me my honest opinion about it when he when he said he was going to run. And I was like, don't do it.
Whatever you do, don't run.

Speaker 2 Think about it. And this is what I told him.
I said, okay, he's 44, young, young. Yeah.
And he just won re-election by the biggest landslide.

Speaker 2 I was like.

Speaker 1 Govern your state. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it perfect. How perfect is the timing?

Speaker 2 you're when the end of your eight years is up it's right would be right getting in the meat of the 2028 that's right so i i this is what i tell them support trump because he helped you and support you don't want you don't want the trump supporters you they can destroy you i mean you don't want them you know you don't want to turn on them i swear i said look just please this is my advice just have him govern governor support trump all he can and in 28 you got biden with only four years left or trump Trump with only four years left.

Speaker 2 And now you're more popular. And now you have all the Trump people.
You have all the DeSantis people. And you can moonwalk into the White House in 2028.
Moonwalk. That's my exact words I use.

Speaker 1 What was the response you got?

Speaker 2 Yeah, okay. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 A lot of people don't take me too seriously, but

Speaker 2 I hate it. I hate it's going like this.

Speaker 1 A lot of people do take you seriously, which is interesting. It is.
And I can see why I think you're insightful. No, thank you.
How many politicians have you met personally?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 when personally,

Speaker 2 I kind of keep to myself, but DM-wise and messaged me, they all love me when it comes to election time. Hey, will you retweet this and retweet this?

Speaker 2 And I can't name five people in either party I trust. I just don't trust anybody anymore.
And they don't deserve our trust. The Republican Party, I mean, come on.
They don't know how to fight.

Speaker 1 No, I know.

Speaker 2 They're over there talking about their principles and they're arresting their political opponents. So you better get in the game.
And we get the power of the gavel and what do they do with it?

Speaker 2 Seriously,

Speaker 2 nothing.

Speaker 2 I mean, this is how you fight. When you get the gavel, you do your own January 6th committee.

Speaker 1 But do you think it's because they don't understand how to fight or they're throwing the match?

Speaker 2 I don't know if they just don't care or they don't know how or they're just cowards. But the truth is, see, this is how you fight.

Speaker 2 You get a January 6th committee and you don't allow any Democrats on it. And you put everybody on it they hate, just like they did us.
You put Margie Taylor Greene, Boebert, McGates.

Speaker 2 That's the January 6th committee. You don't allow them to have any witnesses.
And you start subpoenaing. Let's see what Nancy Pelosi was talking to, the Capitol Police.

Speaker 2 You start subpoenaing everybody. And you have it on C-SPAN every day for years.
And if you don't start fighting like that, it's over for this country.

Speaker 1 Well, but and also you have an obligation to do that because it's in pursuit of the truth. I know.

Speaker 1 What do you make of the fact that the new Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, has not released the videotape, which he controls?

Speaker 2 Well, I told everybody, you know, that he was going to be awful. I warned everybody.
They had that little kumbaya moment. He did, what did he do? Exactly what Kevin McCarthy did.

Speaker 2 He said he's going to release it. So they get the big headlines, gets everybody excited.
They release 1% of 1%,

Speaker 2 and then they just don't do it anymore. And look what,

Speaker 2 when you release that, the Q Shaman,

Speaker 2 he got out of prison because of that one little five minutes think of what if they were just release it just release it but they can't do it it's just push the button just push the button and release it I know when he was talking about Ukraine funding he was like well we have to at some point do the Ukraine funding because we don't want Russia steamrolling over Europe that was his exact words or I'm paraphrasing clubs you think I mean you obviously you'd have to be really stupid to believe that.

Speaker 1 I'm assuming he's not stupid. I mean, why would he say something like that?

Speaker 2 It's the same same thing they always do to get us ginned up about a war.

Speaker 1 Also, by the way, if Russia invaded Western Europe, could it be in worse shape than it is now? I mean, it was the U.S. government that blew up the German economy.
It wasn't the Russians.

Speaker 1 It was the Biden administration that blew up Nord Stream

Speaker 1 and ended their main source of cheap energy. So, like, could the Russians be worse than that? Maybe, I guess.
But, like,

Speaker 2 I don't get it. Well, you know, they've used Ukraine as kind of their 51st state, and they would know rules.
The biolabs, which they lied about, then told the truth.

Speaker 2 Everybody in Washington,

Speaker 2 their kids over there making $4 million a year, you know,

Speaker 2 at some kind of company.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 so I don't let them gin me up

Speaker 2 and they try to gin you up more and get you mad. And I can't get emotional when we have 100,000 people dying of fentanyl poison in our own country.
I'm not going to get emotional. I hate war.

Speaker 2 I'm anti-war. I'm the one that wants a peace deal.
You're the one that wants to keep.

Speaker 2 And here's the problem with Ukraine. I think we're going to end up in the same spot a year or so from now.

Speaker 2 I think there's going to be a peace agreement at some point, and there's going to be a million dead people, and Russia's going to take a little bit of the country, and we're going to be in the same place we would have been.

Speaker 1 And no one will ever apologize for all those dead.

Speaker 2 And they're just going to call us Putin puppets because we want peace, and that's it. Couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 So, first of all, thank you for doing this. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 No problem.

Speaker 1 Last question. Do you ex so you've you went from installing fiberline to becoming legitimately famous only because of your voice.
You were allowed to talk in public. It was purely democratic.

Speaker 1 Like people liked what you said, they supported you. All of that is contingent on having a voice.

Speaker 1 Do you think a year from now you will have the same voi you will be allowed to say the things that you are saying now?

Speaker 2 Well, I hope so. But um you see what they're doing to come after me.
I t I you know, I hate to say this, but I tell my family all the time, hey, the FBI could frame me. Who knows?

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't trust them. No, you don't.
I hate saying that. I want an FBI that I don't feel that way about, but hey,

Speaker 2 you know, they can do anything. If they want to get me, they're going to get me.
But I'm not going to shut up. So that's it.
I'm not shutting up.

Speaker 1 So do you feel that you will be able to reach the same audience a year from now?

Speaker 2 I think so. I mean, it's gone up.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm doing my own events now. We're doing,

Speaker 2 we did Turdstock. I do want to mention that, which was, it was kind of a John Rich and I was kind of a joke.
And I said, no, I'm serious. Instead of, you know, Woodstock, let's do Turdstock.

Speaker 2 And where'd you do it? Yeah, at the Redneck Riviera

Speaker 2 up at his place in November. That's with my big coming out.
Everybody got to see me. And I had some great musicians.
We're actually, one of the musicians, Angie Apero,

Speaker 2 who is a, has got a, you'd love this story, Tucker. It's the great American comeback story.
He, he was, he wrote A Cry for Faith Hill, and she went a Grammy.

Speaker 2 And he was this unbelievable musician with his voice.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he was on his way up, signed with

Speaker 2 a record label, and then he had a stroke and completely lost his voice and couldn't talk. And so he spent,

Speaker 2 I think, 2016, 2017, learning how to talk again.

Speaker 2 And so now he's on his way back up. And

Speaker 2 he was there. And

Speaker 2 we're doing an event for him on the 24th. So I'm going to just keep kind of staying in my lane and

Speaker 2 just do what I do.

Speaker 2 I probably won't go into the red carpet events to meet everybody and get pictures.

Speaker 1 So we're going to miss you at Davos next week.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to be there. You're not going to be there? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I just don't. I don't seem like I fit in there to me.
I'm more of the hanging out with the people kind of person.

Speaker 2 But it was nice to meet you, and I really appreciate you inviting me.

Speaker 1 We're grateful to have you.

Speaker 2 Cat Turk.

Speaker 5 Thank you.