New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding | Rep. Tim Burchett

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Thank you, Congressman, for doing this.

I never talk about UFOs.

Thank you, Tim.

Never talk about UFOs.

We don't do shows on UFOs, UAPs, whatever they're calling them, these mysterious lights, these objects, because I know for a dead certain fact that there is an ongoing, 70-year ongoing disinformation campaign by the U.S.

government to sow confusion.

Some people participating in that effort, I don't think they know they're participating in the effort, but they are nevertheless selling lies in an effort to get people off the trail of what this really is.

There is something going on.

What is it?

It's so hard to know.

You're one of the few people, from my perspective, who seems sincere.

You're also informed as a member of Congress.

And so I'm just grateful that you're doing this

because I think you're going to be telling the truth.

So,

what are these things?

Well, I don't know.

I think there's a lot of different misconceptions about them.

You know, I kind of came into it organically, I guess.

I had pretty cool parents.

They would just

take me to the library and just let me stay.

Or I'd ride my bike over and stay a couple hours and grew up in in the 70s in Tennessee.

And, you know, I guess now you'd probably be taken to DCS or something for that.

But

I went in there and I can remember there was a stack of books on a thing.

And, you know, they had all the, you know, something on

maybe the occult or something like that.

And then Bigfoot.

And then there's something on UFOs.

And I picked up the UFO book and started reading about it.

And it, it just fascinated me.

And I, and I read the Bible.

I'm a Christian.

I'm not a very good one, obviously, by my chosen profession.

But,

But,

you know, the Bible talks about Ezekiel saw the wheel.

And people always say, well, that was a dream.

You know, they always try to overexplain things in the Bible.

And I just think it was, it's written for simple folks like me.

And I agree with that.

And it was a translation, though.

And at the time, the most technologically advanced item that they had was a wheel.

And it describes a wheel within a wheel.

Exactly.

And it describes a landing gear and all these other things that we would today say are modern day flying saucers.

And it's pretty specific and it's a pretty, the Ezekiel passage you're referring to is

it's not just like a parenthetical note.

It's like a, it's like a whole description.

Oh, yeah.

He goes into it.

He describes, I think, the landing gear,

in some translations,

it talks about it being hooves of animal, like the hoof of an animal, which if you see, you know, you see

when we went to the moon, that there is

the landing gear,

it's got a pad.

If we actually went to the moon, I know there's a lot of people that don't believe it.

I'm arching my eyebrows, but we'll refrain from commenting.

Yeah, yeah.

But so I'm laying on my couch.

Fast forward, I'm in Congress.

I'm laying on my couch and I'm getting ready to go to sleep.

I sleep in my office and shower in the gym.

I'm not, as my banker says, he called me one day and said,

he said, he said, brother, you're, he said, I'm pretty sure that you're the most honest member of Congress, but I know you're the poorest.

So

I do that.

And so I was watching.

There was a thing on UFOs and they were talking about

some former members were involved in some stuff trying to find out something.

And I thought, you know, I'm going to start asking some questions.

And then I'm walking down the street and the center of all media in Washington, D.C., TMZ, his name's Colin.

He's a good friend of mine.

We've been to lunch and hang out some, but he stopped me and I didn't know who he was.

And he said, hey, I'm with TMZ.

He said, what do you think about this UFO report that's getting ready to come out?

And

I said, brother, it'll look like it was shot with a shotgun because it'll be all redacted.

Oh, yeah.

And then

I said, and if it, and it won't come out when they say it's going to come out.

And I said, really?

Why?

And I said, well, probably because.

The original report is probably going to have something in it and they're going to pull it back.

And sure enough, they did.

And it was heavily redacted.

And it was just a big fluff piece, nothing.

And then I said the magic words would end up putting on one of my t-shirts, which I sell on my website, that more people believe in UFOs than believe in Congress.

And

for good reason.

And for a great reason.

And so people started calling me, you know, all these national figures that you see, reporters, legitimate reporters like yourself, people from all over the country.

And

so I start asking questions.

And,

and I get with Luna and some other folks.

Matt Gates was involved in it at the time.

And

we went to the chairman and said,

let's have a hearing.

And I think they really, Tucker, I think they just patted us on the head and said, sure, we'll have the hearing, you know, and they're going to make fun of you and go on.

Turned out, I talked to some old-timers that were there,

reporters.

They said that was the most

the most attended hearing they'd ever had.

They had to open up another room and there were people lined up down the hall.

When I walked out at,

I see, it was, I guess in the morning, I walked out of the office, had to be on an early show about it.

At 4.30 in the morning, people were already lined up outside the building and they come from all over the country.

One guy came on his vacation and there was ministers there.

There's people.

So it really touched a nerve.

And

you start hoping for disclosure.

That's exactly right.

The truth.

And they're tired of being told they're idiots.

And, you know, and the funny thing about it all is, is that when I go to speak to groups, it never fails that somebody of prominence,

prominence will come, a doctor, a lawyer, a PR person will come up to me and say, hey, I had an experience.

I was sitting at a, I was helping out a colleague.

I rarely go out of town.

This is kind of unusual for me.

So this is kind of an interesting deal for me up here.

But I went to another.

congressman's district to help him run for re-election.

We were sitting in a country club.

And I'm not a country clubber type, as you can probably tell.

Jackie Gleason said, I wouldn't join a country club that have somebody like me.

And I'm sort of like that way.

And I sit next to this lady, and she was classy.

You could tell

she was old money.

She wasn't new money.

She wasn't, she had nice jewelry on, and she had the clothes you could tell were nice.

And

she was just a classy lady.

And

she said, well, Congressman, about those UFOs.

And I thought, well, here it comes.

You know, I'm going to get popped.

And she said, I had an experience when

I was in college.

She said, she talked about going to pick up her

brother.

And this thing followed them down

for several minutes.

You know, it was cylindrical shaped.

And it followed them.

It was, I think it was close to dark, and it was kind of lit up.

It had a, I think, a bluish tint to it or something.

And it followed them for for quite some time.

And then it just took off.

And they were like, what in the world was that?

And they, you know, this was in the 70s.

And

she said, I really haven't really told many people that.

And I'll get stories like that.

And when they film you, when I was early on in Congress, I had plenty of time, obviously,

it being the 435th most powerful member of Congress.

And, you know, these History Channel, all these folks would come interview me.

And they would do one time they interviewed me for like an hour.

So they would take segments of that and put that out for just multiple issues, you know, of their TV show, hunting UFOs or whatever.

And I remember I was in Nashville at the time and a colleague, a former state legislator, a guy who was in leadership, called me up.

And I remember he, and I, it's kind of ironic that he was back in East Tennessee and I was in Nashville for a

get-together I was throwing for our state legislators because nobody ever, when I was in legislature, nobody ever did anything for us from Congress.

And I just get down there and throw him a spaghetti dinner or something, you know.

And the phone rang and it was him and he said, Timbo, he said, I just saw you on TV on the UFO show.

And I said, really?

And I thought, here it comes.

He's going to pop me.

He said, let me tell you a story about when I was in the Navy.

And he was older.

He was hollering back at his wife, what year was that?

And she would holler.

I think it was in the late 50s.

And he was on a, I believe it's a tin can, but that's a destroyer.

You probably know more.

But anyway, he was in the Navy.

And he said they were, it was early on when they were first putting nuclear

missiles on subs.

They were unloading a missile for the sub, and he said the sub got out there, and then this thing just flew over the top of them.

He said, I remember when he said, Timbo, if that thing was two city blocks, it was, and it had to be two city blocks wide.

He said it was cylindrical, and he named it, and he described it.

And then he said it, um,

he said, and just took off.

No noise, no heat, no vapor, nothing.

And they all just stood there and were talking.

And they're going, what the heck was that?

Yeah.

You know, and then they get back on shore.

They go back to shore.

And he said that,

you know, the men in the suit, he said, I figured it was CIA or something.

And they said, if y'all don't,

this national security, if you ever talk about this, you'll be busting rocks for the rest of your life if you're lucky.

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So that attitude has not changed?

Not one bit.

No.

And the question is,

why?

Why would the U.S.

government have an interest in lying about something that's visible to millions of people around the world?

So many people, as you just said, have had the experience of seeing them in person.

Why would they have an interest in hurting those people, calling them crazy,

threatening them, et cetera?

Tell us about your experience as you've pushed for more disclosure.

What kind of reaction have you received?

I I think the arrogance from the federal government,

there's a control thing that you see in every aspect of government.

Everybody in power wants to keep you out of their little circle of power.

Of course.

And I think the monetary concern is there.

Could you imagine if they had something that would

could heat homes in the summer in the in the winter and cool them in the summer and had zero cost.

I mean, it's something that we could, it would put everybody out of business.

The war pimps at the Pentagon would have to go out of business.

They wouldn't, we wouldn't have to be in wars all over the world, which are, if you get down to it, it's about oil.

It's always about oil.

And

so you've got the greed factor, you've got the power factor, and then you've got just the arrogance.

The Bible talks about professing themselves to be wives that became fools.

That's right.

And there's nobody in Washington that doesn't think they're wise.

I wonder, though, I mean,

for sure.

So you think

this is an effort to hide the existence of superior technology because it's a threat to existing industry?

I think that's part of it.

And also, but it's like this.

We're motorcycle guys.

Say if I took a

say I took a brand new Indian or Harley-Davidson down to back in time to

the Mayflower or whatever and gave it to them.

You know, they would maybe shine it.

They wouldn't know how to do anything.

I mean, of course,

we don't have carburetors.

They They wouldn't know how to do anything with fuel injection.

They probably couldn't ever make the fuel high enough octane where it'd kick it off.

They maybe could get it started if they got lucky at some point.

But that would be a rarity.

I think that's sort of if there is something that they can't, they don't know what it is.

And I think, too,

they have

compartmentalized this stuff.

So you think, FOIA, I'm going to freedom of information.

Everybody says, well, just freedom of information at Burchick, go to Area 51.

There's nothing at Area 51.

They've moved it to WrightPad or something else since then.

But the point is, is that everybody in government is looking down the barrel or looking in their little area.

And to their knowledge, most of those people are telling the truth.

And they sent it off to these, these, there's five or six corporations that it's been in, it's been disclosed in

hearings that we think probably has some of this technology.

But it has been so compartmentalized that people, I mean, there's nobody alive that was around in Roswell of 47 and incidents that happened in Texas and others all over the world.

And so

they don't really know what they're looking at.

They're looking at something and they've associated it or given it to these corporations that have a quasi-governmental connection, but they're far enough apart where I can't go FOIA.

I can't go FOIA Ford.

I mean, I could, but they're just going to tell me, go jump in the lake.

I'm not going to tell you.

But I guess I'm stumbling over kind of the most basic claim that they make, which is that all this information is classified.

Yeah.

On what grounds could the federal government justify classifying reports of things that its servicemen have seen?

Every time it's national security target.

What does that mean?

I don't know, but you have a group of people that are so afraid of the

industrial war machine that funds their campaigns.

So you go to these,

you look at all the people that stop.

When I have a disclosure bill, I just want to know.

I'm not saying they're out there, but we're spending tens of millions.

Every department, FBI, CIA,

I'm pretty sure TDA doesn't, but they probably should.

But there's probably every alphabet agency in the country

has a wing that's investigating these things, NASA.

They are all doing it.

They're all doing it.

They'll admit that they're looking at something, but then you come to them and they say they don't exist, but we need the money to do it.

And now the interesting thing is.

And that's in the budget.

Oh, yeah.

And now the interesting thing is, is that the

is that they've

seen that the opinion polls are showing that over half the people in the country believe something else is going on.

Of course.

And so now they're saying, hey, we need money to study this.

I mean, it's the cat

going after its tail, really.

And it's just a circular thing that they just after money, and they don't really care.

Of course.

They don't,

that's for sure.

But there is a process by which the Congress demands disclosure, and that process has been thwarted.

And I'm just interested in getting details on how that happened.

So the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023, I think,

required disclosure.

That passed, right?

Allegedly.

But again,

who's going to enforce it?

So, but what did that, do you remember what that act required?

It is,

I do not believe it passed.

The one that I'm thinking about did not pass in the Senate because you remember I had the bill.

It was two pages long for disclosure.

What did it say?

And then it just said if it dealt with UAP's UFOs, it'd disclose it.

If a file contains it, America has a right to see it unredacted.

And Chuck Schumer's was several hundred pages long, and it was celebrated by everybody.

And it set up a commission very similar to the Kennedy assassination, which here we are, you know, 60 plus years later.

And still, you know, they're telling us this single bullet.

That was in you're a, you're a gun man that they found on a gurney that was basically unscratched,

an hour and a half after the assassination in the hospital at Lakeland.

After going through two bodies.

After two bodies and bone and everything else.

And it doesn't, it just

so the but Schumer's solution was we needed a warren commission to tell us the truth about the fact that who can decide?

And that basically would just cover it up.

And I trust America.

Of course, of course,

but why would Chuck Schumer do that?

Like, what's his motive?

Do you have any idea?

I think his staffers drew up the bill, and I think honestly, in their

mind, they probably thought it was the right thing.

But here's my thing about staffers.

Everybody wants to talk about

the swamp.

And I always go through this.

A swamp is something pretty cool.

God created a swamp.

I grew up frog gigging and fishing around swamps.

They're pretty cool.

They attract animals for good reason.

And

so

Washington, D.C.

is not, is, is not a swamp.

It is a sewer.

It is a man-made creation.

Now, figure this.

You've got a staffer.

And Republicans, we're supposed to be less government.

I look at these staff.

We get these pictures made every year, every couple of years.

I don't know why.

I've never seen the picture.

I'm not going to hang it up in my daddy office of your committee, you know, and all the people on the committee and then all the staffers behind it.

I counted one time on ours, I think it was close in one of my committees, close to 50 people.

And I guess for the Democrats, we get 49 people.

You know, we're supposed to be less government.

So you have a staffer, say that is, and the committees are just too big.

And too many of these chairmen, the biggest mistake they make is, we're going to be different.

We're going to be different.

And what do they do?

They keep almost every dad gum staffer.

And the staffer is already plugged in with the lobbyist, with the K-Street crowd.

And they're the ones probably getting a little trip somewhere, maybe going out for a steak dinner, going out for drinks, and they're compromised.

And so how many, I can't tell you how many times I've seen a good bill become a study bill.

I completely agree, except in most cases, it's like obvious why industry would want to subvert the legislation.

Like, they don't want the regulation, they don't want competition.

You know, there are a lot of different obvious reasons, and you sort of see how the staffs are paid off.

I get it.

But UFOs, like, is there a UFO lobby?

Like,

who wants that?

Who's paying for that?

I think, and why?

I think you've got major technology corporations,

aeronautics, some of our missile defense people, for some reason, they do not want this released.

That's very weird because whatever is going on is clearly or would seem to be a threat to them.

Well, look at the

control your airspace, which we don't.

Right.

Why is that not a problem for Raytheon?

Look at the financial disclosure of the people that always fight me on these bills.

That's what I would tell you to do.

And if we were to do that, I can think of one.

You see the names of

a couple of those corporations.

So it's defense contractors are the bottom line is

I think what you're saying is that the defense contractors, for some reason, we can only speculate, don't want this information disclosed.

That's correct.

Well, that's a very powerful lobby, of course.

It's one of the most powerful ones.

That's why we're

sending $600 million to Ukraine and the national defense authorization, which I didn't vote for.

I wanted to give our military more money, military fighting men more money, but I didn't want to give the war pimps any more reason to Ukraine or any of these other wars we're in.

No.

And the interesting thing about the $600 million,

I was told by our leadership

in our conference that the president had requested that.

And then I talked to the White House, and guess what?

The president had not requested that.

That's right.

No, that's right.

Just $600 million, though, Burch.

What are they going to do with that?

I watch people jump.

I mean, I'm not the world's great Trump expert, but I feel like I paid pretty close attention.

I hear these people jump up and down, Trump, this is in the name of Trump.

It's like, that's the opposite of what I think he wants, but whatever.

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That's what I've been told by people in government that are in the know.

And I've, you know, it was funny.

It was like, it was like these companies have benefited from technology, from whatever these things are.

Apparently, that's what they're telling me.

Yeah.

And inform people, not just people.

No, not just some guy on the street.

And it's funny.

I've, I've had a, um, the deep throat moment, you know, where Nixon

was overthrown and somebody comes up to me in the hallway, in a crowded hallway,

somebody who I would be, consider a friend and said, Burchett, man, you really don't need to be doing this stuff, don't you?

Man, you're kicking a hornet's nest on this thing.

Doing the UFO stuff.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And I've had them try to use it against me in campaigns and things, but

we don't ever raise enough money to matter anyway.

They use against you in campaigns.

Yeah.

The whisper campaign or they put it out on the internet.

Burchett's, you know, all he cares about is this.

No, I just care about where's the tens of millions of dollars going.

I have a right to know.

Also, like, this is the biggest story in our, in human history, I would think.

I mean, like, what is that?

Are we alone?

Yeah.

Clearly not.

And so you're satisfied, just to get to basics here quickly, you're satisfied that whatever we're seeing in the skies and have since at least the Second World War, since at least the development of nuclear weapons,

since Hiroshima, whatever that is, is not

foreign military.

No, because here it is.

If it was Russian, I mean, honestly, Putin with his ego, he would ride barechested down Pennsylvania Avenue, get out of UFO, you know, wrestle

a bear on the front porch of the White House and get back in his UFO.

I mean, he wouldn't be bogged down in Ukraine.

If it was China, they would own us.

They clearly partially own us now.

And if it was America, you wouldn't see Trump standing on

an aircraft carrier and a jet flies by and breaks the sound bear and everybody thinks that's the coolest thing.

I mean, it would be something a lot cooler than that.

And so I just don't think we have that technology or we're able to utilize it.

So in the course of your probing into this, no one's ever taken you aside and said, hey, Burchett, back off a little bit.

This is our stuff.

We don't want to disclose it.

Pretty close to that.

Pretty close to that.

But you don't believe it.

You don't think this is our technology?

No, I do not.

There's no way.

It is our technology.

No way is our technology.

There's, you know, I've talked to too many pilots.

Why would we risk?

Why would we risk our best?

I mean, I've talked to the best, Tucker, I've talked to the best pilots in the world that are ours, some of them, not all of them, and that have told me.

I mean, one guy, I remember I was at the Capitol Hill Club.

It was just an unusual encounter.

A guy spoke to a group

and he followed me out and said, you know, Tim or Congressman or whatever, he said, he said, that thing was 14 feet.

He went like this from my canopy.

And I thought to myself, why didn't he say 15?

Why didn't he say 20?

But he said 14.

And then

he just, he said, this thing, it wasn't ours.

And he said, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't ours.

And that's all he said.

And I had a very high-ranking member of the Navy describe some underwater experiences they'd had with something that was doing 200 miles.

And the best thing we got is probably 40.

It was doing 200 miles an hour underwater.

Underwater, big as a football field.

And that's no fish.

So is it possible, given our current understanding of physics, for any man-made machine to go anywhere near 200 miles an hour underwater?

Not with our technology, no.

The best we have is probably in the in the high 30s.

And he was converting it, of course, knots is what the Navy guys would do, but there's nothing.

If I fire a 30-odd-6 or any high-caliber rifle underwater, it doesn't go 200 miles an hour.

I can probably catch it in the length of a swimming pool or so.

Yeah, or it just falls down.

Yeah.

That's what I'm saying.

I mean, it's like.

So we've got,

and

this was described to me in areas, and I was quoted on some, I was just quote, all I do is quote people

that have knowledge, but this was one that was,

he was talking about there are five or six, I think, deep water areas of the ocean.

You've traveled a lot.

I have not.

There's not a lot of deep water areas around

East Tennessee at Fort Loudoun Lake or anything, but they're talking miles deep.

And of course, you've heard this before.

We know more about the surface surface of the moon than we do the surface of the ocean and he said these are areas where we see a high propensity of these ufos and there was a case where um it was fairly well documented um they uh

uh had a multiple sightings they were doing uh maneuvers and they had the the ships or boats whatever you want to call them out there i'm not a navy guy and um

And there was the sighting in the air and these

pilots radioed back and said, hey, is there something going on?

Is there another operation?

We got some secret technology stuff we're working on.

They said, we don't have any.

And they, you know, Pentagon, nobody, nobody knew about anything.

And they pulled it back.

And then they pulled everything back and scrubbed the mission.

And then the next day, all their internet traffic had been scrubbed.

But this guy was kind of a wonk and he'd made copies of it.

But my, you know,

the point I have there is, why would we risk

multi-million dollar apparatus?

Why would we put something in the air around our best pilots that could have a crash?

Because these guys are talking about there's actually, you know, they've come close to collisions.

Why would they do that?

They would not do that.

That would be stupid.

I mean, there's even,

you know, I always say military intelligence a whole lot like congressional ethics.

I don't think it really exists much anymore.

But

anyway,

I just don't think that we'd be risking that.

So that's my proof that it's not ours.

So how many military personnel have you spoken to about their personal experiences with these things i'd say

well i don't know eight or nine ten maybe you know but i have to be real careful because i'm i'm clearly somebody out there and i'm not backing down on it i'm not ashamed of it or anything but i don't you have no reason to be ashamed of it no why would you be ashamed well that's what they try to do is they try to shame people oh are you are you are you hiding relevant secrets from the american public i don't think you are no but why aren't they ashamed well i have to be careful careful about the white flags, the stuff they bring, stuff bring people bring me that's not real.

Well,

that's why we're talking to you.

Yeah, well, that's I've had a lot of people come to me with stuff like that.

Yeah, and I've got these pictures and I want to show you this.

I've got this, you know, I was afraid I'm going to end up on a, in a refrigerator up in North Carolina or a freezer in North Carolina somewhere, you know, because I don't, I'm not going up there and checking out some guy's fines he's got.

And I'm, you know, and I, but so wait, but do you think, so I think what you're saying is the disinformation campaign run by whomever may

and I assume it's run by the U.S.

government or its satellites and the defense contractors, but part of the way that they discredit people who are interested in finding out what this is is by telling them false things.

And then they tried to destroy their careers.

They did that to one of our guys, one of the very first person, the first hearing we had, if you remember, some

weekly newspaper reporter found out that one of the guys suffered from PTSD because of his military career.

You know what?

In Tennessee, we embrace that.

My daddy played on Pillow in Okinawa.

And to the day he died, I never woke him up over the top of him.

I always woke him up by his big toe because he might have woke up on one of those dadgum islands and pinned me up against the wall.

Unbelievable.

And so, and we celebrate our.

our heroes, but Washington, D.C.

just destroys them.

And to think that a weekly newspaper found out this guy's medical history, which is a total violation of the law.

Somebody should go to jail for it, but nobody did.

They tried to destroy this guy.

And

that's what happens to people in Washington, D.C.

That's what happens to our military heroes when they step out of line because of the

sewer or deep state or whatever you want to call it.

But that's what they, and that's why we need real whistleblower protection for them.

Well, I agree with that completely, which we don't have.

And by the way, I know two whistleblowers who are living outside the country because they can't come to the United States.

Sure.

And I'll have people actually, I've had people call me.

One last thing.

I'm in the Longworth building.

It's no secret.

It's public record.

But I've had people that'll call me or send a message to me and want to come by and they won't come in that building, ask me if I can come outside.

I've had people call me and want to come to the house in East Tennessee

because they don't want to come to Washington, D.C.

and talk to me.

There was a

well-publicized television show that was on for a while that um

i didn't know i didn't know they were coming i mean i they said some people wanted to talk to me and it was a trusted friend and i said sure send them bring them up to come on up to dc and i said well they don't want to come to dc

and they drove from wherever to my house in east tennessee on a saturday afternoon and then they put some stuff on a on a screen that was

pretty compelling.

What was it?

It was aircraft flying it, just crazy

stuff that we can't do that would turn you or me into basically a catch-up package.

It was not

no human being could handle the G-Force.

No, not at our, well, with the technology we have, the G-Force would just have just torn them apart.

And, you know, was it

unmanned or whatever?

I don't know.

But these guys, and one of them was a

well, they were scientists.

Several of them were scientists.

And they came to see you.

They came to see me.

Yeah.

And I, cause it's kind of.

Wait, so what do you do with that information?

I

try to understand, try to grasp it within my very small brain.

And what am I supposed to do with that?

I ask God all the time, what do you want me to do with this stuff, Lord?

And right now I've just got to get enough disclosure.

I've come to the

realization that nothing is ever going to happen, Tucker, until we have somebody in the White House that says enough is enough and just discloses it.

And I hope President Trump, you know, I've had discussions with him privately and other times that I'm not,

I've talked to his people, but at some point, there's several of us, Luna and myself and several others that are concerned about this issue and we want some answers.

We've got none.

We've got none.

Zero.

Zero.

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What is that?

I think that is the sewer.

That is the industrial war complex.

I think, and I stated that in the committee, I think part of the thing they do is they outrun the clock.

They outrun the clock.

We either stumble, one of us gets in trouble, or they get us in trouble, or they lose, or they move on to another object, you know, another shiny object somewhere else.

Americans want their pizzas in 30 minutes or less, and that's about Congress's attention span, you know, because we're always on one and then it's the hot issue and then the news cycle changes two weeks later on to something else.

So you guys are often, members of Congress are often briefed in SCIFs.

You know, it's a secure location that they immediately go and call CNN and tell them, you know, everyone was at the scale.

But if a member of Congress received, quote, classified information about UAPs and then immediately held a press conference and said, here's what I just heard and saw.

And yes, I'm breaking the law, but like, tough shit.

Why don't you do something about it?

What would happen?

I don't know.

They say they can imprison us, but I don't.

They.

You know, that's what we're told at the beginning.

We're not even supposed to discuss.

Some people will tell you, you can't even tell them that you've been in a skiff,

but the press is waiting for you as soon as you walk out.

Who told, who says that?

Leadership of the party.

Oh, yeah.

Leadership.

Yeah.

And

I've been in a skiff before where they'll say, anything disgusting here, we remind you is punishable by law.

And, you know, it could, it's a felony.

But the problem you get in there a lot of times is the arrogance and the lies that are told to us.

They contradict.

I mean,

they'll contradict what another department has said.

They'll say this does this didn't happen.

This doesn't exist.

And then another one will say, this is one we don't know, but we can't figure out.

There's just no answer.

It defies all of our reason.

So these are the briefers from various federal agencies that you're talking about.

And they're generally arrogant.

You know, this one kid with a man bun, I always remember him.

He was

very arrogant.

And then I asked him about some specific instances.

You know, there was one where we had a nuclear facility, something Buzz did, and the actual facility shut down.

It was

documented.

And he in the Dakotas, I think.

Yeah.

I can't remember exactly.

I haven't

read so many of these things.

And he said, I remember he said,

we have no data points on that.

And I thought, and I said, dude, it's in all Google it.

It's everywhere.

And I just, I get very frustrated, Tucker.

A lot of times I go to these classified briefings.

And part of the reason you go to a classified briefing is to get information, which I'm sure that's where a lot of the stock trading goes on.

But I think they bring you in and tell you stuff you already knew, so you can't even talk about it.

I think it's a trap.

That's why I don't go to a lot of the classified briefings because, again, I can just pick it up on the street right after the business.

But the Congress funds the agencies that are briefing you.

That's correct.

So you could say to the man bun kid, you know, son, I pay your salary.

So maybe you.

Well, it was during the Biden administration, so I was a little bit out of.

Well, I mean, at this point, Republicans control the Congress.

So like

I don't understand.

I just, I'm honestly baffled as to why nobody.

There's too many.

It crosses both lines.

I think, you know, that money runs deep and they contribute a lot to a lot of people.

So of the issues, and some are well known, I won't even bring them up here, but they're very well known that have bipartisan consensus, you know, like both parties agree on this issue.

You would say UAPs are one of those.

I would say they are.

I mean, AOC is in there.

I mean, they're all in there.

You know, it's just...

Does AOC

show any interest in this topic?

She does.

She does.

I think, you know, she's concerned like everybody else, where are the tens of millions of dollars going?

And I'm sure she could think about it.

Well, what the hell are these things?

That's like an even deeper concern.

The money's fake.

We just make it.

Yeah, we just print it.

Yeah.

But it's, well, we've had, you know, what are they?

We've had sworn testimony where they'll tell you, they'll say,

yeah, I've seen beings.

There's a movie coming out.

And hold on, and the testimony says this is sworn testimony.

Sworn testimony.

They've got, they've, uh, they're beings and there's, there's

saucers or some craft or something, but there's a movie coming out pretty soon, if it's ever allowed to come out.

I was in it a little bit.

And you have former members of the CIA.

You have others that positively say they were there.

And they identified these things.

They diagnosed them and they saw them.

They saw the craft.

And

there's enough people out there saying it, but they're just so suppressed.

And the media moves on so fast on something.

And, you know, I've been on so many of these interviews and they're playing the theme from

some crazy tv show or something before i come on you know and they're just making a joke out of it and i get it people want to laugh about it i don't get it at all yeah i mean i get the facts like an absolutely i mean it seems they just want to humiliate me and i don't know it's a deadly serious topic objectively speaking and if it's a national defense issue it's everything it's everything

i mean it's not a national it's a world defense issue it's a lot more serious than black lives matter or any of the other nonsense that we've you know become obsessed with over the past generation So, yeah, there's, I mean,

that tells you right there, that's part of

an operation designed to discredit people who ask questions, right?

Yeah.

And I've had military personnel call me and tell me that they've chased these things.

They've been in the water.

I had one guy tell me a story.

He was an officer and he was in the water fishing off,

I think it was on the East Coast.

And this huge huge craft

flew over them.

And then these several jets were flying trying to keep up with it.

And he identified the jets because he was obviously an Air Force officer.

And

he said, look,

I just want you to continue on this thing.

You're not, a lot of people have seen stuff.

And he said, I have.

And, you know, and I mean, he had a distinguished career, but it just continues on and on and on.

And it gets, you know, we get patted on the head and say, okay, you can have another hearing.

And then we do it.

But until somebody in the White House says disclose or somebody walks out of one of these labs with something

and shows it and puts it on YouTube before he's allowed to commit suicide,

I think you're going to,

that's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of it because it will never, it's so deep.

The layers of the onions or onion is so deep, you just keep peeling it off and it's just a different person, a different story.

You go over here and

the naivety of Congress, you have members telling me, well, let's just get a, let's go over here and get a, you know, we'll get a tour of the, of the, of where you think these things are.

I say, dude, once we announce that, you know, the U-Haul vans are already been there and gone.

You know,

it's not that way.

It's not going to work that way.

Congress is not going to walk in there with all its magnificence and arrogance and find something.

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If

the public is being lied to by the government, if there's a continuous, ongoing, publicly funded campaign to lie to the American public by its own government, that is justification for overthrowing the government.

That's my opinion.

They can't do that in a democracy because we own the government.

They don't.

And so that alone, leaving aside the reality of UAPs, is,

you know, it's enough for, I mean,

why is it so hard for somebody in authority, either in the White House or in congressional leadership, to say,

we want this information and we want it by the close of business today, or else you're fired.

Where we're going to send soldiers in and get the information.

Why is that hard?

I just don't think it's profitable for them.

I think there's too much money

and it goes too deep.

And

you have a lot of soldiers,

not literally soldier, but people just follow orders.

And they think, and they said it's national security.

They think it's national security.

So it sounds like you have no confidence that this stuff's going to emerge.

No, I have zero confidence on this side.

When I leave this earth, I'll probably, I'll know then.

You will instantly.

Instantly.

But I don't have any confidence in anybody in Washington currently.

I have confidence in Trump.

I really do.

I think if he's

if we can talk to him seriously about this

for a short amount of time, I think he'll just tell him to jam it.

We're going to do it.

Well, I mean, we had, you know, these sightings last year over New Jersey, over the whole Mideast coast

that the entire country saw on their own video.

And we were going to find out what those were.

And then it was like, nah, it's totally, we don't need to know what that was like.

What was that?

Well,

I still think it was a, it was part of Chinese influence.

I think when they flew the balloon over, they.

They wanted to, it was 50s or 60s technology.

They didn't have anything.

They weren't.

I mean, they got enough spies on the ground in every university and every think tank and every

national lab, whatever.

They got them there.

But they wanted to see what our response was.

They saw our political response, which was zero, our military response, which was zero, and our press response.

And the only thing was the people were outraged about it.

You know, and they shot it down off the coast of Myrtle Beach.

So you think the drones, the so-called drones over New Jersey last fall were a Chinese operation.

Something or something very similar.

Somebody experimenting to see what our response would be because, you know, you could, you fly an airplane over the country and somebody's going to pick it up.

But you fly a drone, they could have small nukes, could have been a biological agent.

And I think now they know they could do that, or at least under Biden, they could.

They can't do it under Trump.

So if that was the Chinese who did that

and the U.S.

government did nothing,

I think they had contractors here that provided them with that.

That's my theory.

Any idea as to why the U.S.

government want to keep that secret?

No idea.

Either then

the current administration doesn't know because the people that knew are gone.

I just think the past administration

was

smoking mirrors.

I mean, Joe Biden, if you ever had any conversations with him, I mean, it was clearly very clueless, and it was very scary.

If we'd have been in a position, whoever was calling his shots from the Obama administration

scared me a lot.

And, of course, they were the puppet masters, I feel like, under this, under Biden.

And I felt like he

and the people around him just

ran amok.

I mean, you saw with the...

But why not, I don't understand, and I'm trying to keep my growing rage under control.

Like, why not tell?

Well, I'm outraged.

Why not tell the public something true once in a while?

Why the constant lying?

Because if you, if you're constantly lying, then by definition, you're evil.

And you don't want to think that of your government, especially people you like in government.

But like, why can't the public know anything ever?

Do you have any theories?

Tradition.

Tradition.

Okay.

I just don't, the more and more I know about government, you know,

I've been in this gift before and I've walked out.

And I remember one time I called my wife and I said, honey, go to the store store and buy canned goods.

We are completely wide open.

She said, all right, sweetie.

So what do we get for a trillion dollars a year to the U.S.

military?

Do we get anything in return?

We got some enhanced stock portfolios.

And I'll give you a great example.

When Joe Biden gave our military,

excuse me, our missile defense system,

you know, I haven't voted for a penny for Ukraine.

I'm proud of that.

It's not my dadgum war.

I'm not sending my 18-year-old daughter to a country that most members of Congress couldn't find on a dadgum globe.

And

so you have, we give them our missile defense system, and then we have to replenish ours, which we should.

We can't be left naked without any of that defense.

And guess what?

Some of those contractors we described get a

multi-billion with a B dollar no-bid contract.

And who do you think has bought stock in that company?

Members of Congress two weeks prior to the president making that official notice.

And you see it time and time again.

I mean, do you honestly believe members of Congress are making five and six?

You've met some of these guys.

I mean, they can't come in out of the rain, some of them.

I mean, I'm guilty of that as well.

But they're making five and 600%.

Yeah, a lot of really damaged return on their five and 600% return on their investment.

And

war is great for business.

It's great for the economy, but it's not good for, I don't think it's good for our souls.

Wouldn't no no there's nothing worse killing people is not good um i know that's a controversial statement um yeah but why is it why is it impossible is to ban stock trading for members of congress that's a great idea um i have the bill to do it and that's why you know we have a bipartisan group again myself and prior paul and i never get her name right but um

Cortez and me and Chip Roy and a bunch of others, you know, we've got a, we've got a bill, but it's not going anywhere.

Why?

Because too many members of Congress.

I mean, we were told by leadership that

these guys

can't afford to be here.

You know what?

If you can't afford to be in Congress and go get another dad gum job, more people have played professional baseball in the major leagues than have any United States.

It should be an honor.

The idea is they should be allowed to do insider trading, which is a felony

because they don't have to come.

It's common enough.

All you got to do is disclose it.

And then if you don't disclose it, it's a slap on the wrist.

I make skateboards, and it's cheaper than a psychiatrist.

I make them out of bamboo and banana fibers and crazy stuff.

And it's a great...

You make skateboards out of bamboo.

I do.

Do a lot of congressmen do that?

No, I'd say one does.

I'm pretty safe in betting that.

I would say it's cheaper than a psychiatrist.

It's good.

And I gave one to Tulsi Gabbard, and, you know, and it gets views.

And people, I have people all over the country wanting to buy these things.

So I'm a capitalist.

I'm thinking, you know, I'd like to sell a few skateboards.

I go to the ethics people.

I take my D.C.

chief with me and she's very smart.

My Knoxville chief is a lady.

They're both incredibly smart ladies.

So I take the DC lady with me and she's making notes.

I mean, you know, I got to get an attorney involved in this thing.

I have to have a business plan.

You want to do insider trading?

Be a member of Congress.

You want to sell skateboards?

You better get you a dadgum lawyer.

And that's what I'm having to do right now.

I mean, I'm building a business plan on it.

Leadership actually said to you, we can't stop insider trading because they need the money.

Yeah.

And they've, and both parties, I mean, it's one of those, you talk about one of those issues that both parties agree on, both party leadership does, and because they don't want to upset the apple cart.

And, and America, that would be such a great thing to show America, hey, we're going to try to do what's right for once.

Do they know how much America hates them?

No, every one of them.

I always remember in my hometown when they did away with insider trading.

I mean, I'm sorry, not insider trading.

They did away with term limits, excuse me.

And they were interviewing some of the office holders.

I remember one office holder said, I just don't know if this county is going to exist without us.

I don't see how they can go ahead.

And I thought it was like, I checked my calendar.

Is this April Fools?

I thought it was a joke.

I thought they were actually kidding.

You know, I mean, that is the arrogant.

We're still there.

Still there.

Yeah.

Great bond rate.

It wasn't consumed by fire.

I was.

No, no.

The Lord didn't come down and crush us like Sodom and Gomorrah.

But, you know,

but anyway,

they continuously forked us.

And now we've pushed them.

Now the head of the treasury says, you need to do it.

Trump says to do it.

And so Luna says, I'm bringing Merchant's bill to the floor.

I'm going to do a

discharge petition and we're going to bring it to the floor and get enough members to sign on.

I don't know if we can or not, but we're going to try.

But here's the thing, Tucker.

We'll pass a bill if we do,

if leadership.

shines on us and we'll pass a bill and then it'll be a tough bill and then the Senate will pass one a little tougher on something we can't agree on.

And then we'll say, look at those guys in the Senate.

You know, they're 150 years old.

They can't, they're so crooked.

And they'll say, look at us.

We're a bunch of Cretans.

You know, we don't know what we're doing.

And then it'll go away.

And well, we tried.

And that's just the game they're playing.

That is a game they play with everything.

Either that or it's a study committee.

So many bills, and I was talking about that with the

staff.

You know, they'll get you to do, oh, don't do this bill.

Let's do a study bill and then come back next year with all this information.

You know, Tucker, have you ever seen that last scene in Raiders of Lost Ark where they're going into that warehouse?

You know, it just goes on and on.

I'm pretty sure that's where all the study committee bills go to after they pass them and you put in your local newspaper, oh, look at this great bill because it has the same title, but it doesn't do anything.

And then,

you know, and then the next year you don't pass anything.

You don't come back with anything because you've already so-called passed your lame bill.

And

that warehouse is full of all those reports because I've never seen, I've never, ever seen one of those reports after we passed those bills.

No, of course not.

I just wonder, though, I mean, the details of this are interesting, but I think the broad outline is already known by the whole public, which is this is fake.

And these people are in it for reasons that have nothing to do with the public interest.

And I, you know, everybody wants to rail on Pelosi.

She's not, if you go on the Unusual Wells website, she's not even in the top 10.

For insider trading.

Yeah.

she's i think she's number 11 but you know yeah i know some of the people on that list i do too i know every dad gum one of them and there's a list of a hundred and my wife always checks it every year she said honey i said i know sweetie i mean i'm my 12 my buddy tommy siler manages my twelve thousand dollar portfolio everybody do like i do put it in mutual fund i pulled it out last this recently just pulled it out so i could pay for my daughter's school um which is what i established it for in the first place but it's you know, and that's, and when this airs, I'm going to make a lot of enemies.

And here's what's going to happen.

I'm going to tell you without a doubt.

Maybe not since I'm going to tell you.

How can they be mad at you?

Pointing out the obvious.

Somebody will come down and sit beside me, somebody in leadership or somebody I'm friends with in Congress and say, hey, man, some of the guys are really upset with you on this.

And I say, well, on what?

And they say, on this, what you said on such and such.

And I've said this before, and this will be a chapter of my book, if I ever write it.

And I say, but you you know it's the truth, right?

And they go, oh, yeah, we know it's the truth.

We just wish you wouldn't say it anymore.

And I can't tell you how many times I've had that conversation.

But there's no shame.

Like, we've all done bad things.

12% of the population votes, Tucker.

Nobody,

listen, it's a game.

We need to start.

People start needing to get their grandkids to educate them how to get on the computer and read these bills that we're passing.

And look at the game we're playing with y'all.

These 3,000-page spending bills that, you know, fund whatever you need for your lab or whatever.

Then you read down and it's funding circumcisions in Madagascar.

I mean, things like that, literally.

Drag shows

or abortion, which is abhorrent.

And so I, you know, it's just a, it's just a game.

And it's a,

and America needs to start paying attention.

And Congress, members of Congress, look, people,

they always say, we need more people to vote, but as long as they're winning, that's what leadership's about in either party is staying in power.

It's having the suburban.

It's being three deep with security.

It's never standing in line at a, at the movie theater or going to a ball game or a concert.

You know, it becomes

self-preservation.

I remember when January 6th happened and I was shocked.

I was completely shocked by it.

And

I was the last House member to leave the floor on January 6th.

Good for you.

And I was like, wow, this is, I hate vandalism, whatever.

Now I look back and I'm like, I understand exactly why they did that.

I'm not mad about it at all.

I think that Congress should have taken notice that people are really, really mad at Congress.

And instead, they just ignored it and are like, no, everyone who did it is a Nazi and we need more security.

Really, that's your takeaway?

Do you need more security?

Maybe you need to act in a way that people respect so the country doesn't hate you because you're supposed to be representing the country.

And the hundred plus federal agents that were intertwined.

The whole thing was fake, obviously.

I was,

yeah, I don't even get into it.

Yes.

No, I spent a lot of time fighting about this at Fox News when they, you know, people resigned when I said, I think this was like a setup.

Oh,

I can't work with the Nazi.

It turned out to be true.

But again, it's

how many years later and nobody cares.

Nobody cares.

So it's not, and I'm sorry to make it about me.

I didn't mean to do that.

It's just I'm mad about that topic.

But the point is.

Pure show, brother.

No, no, no.

No, but it's just, it's about the Congress.

And I think you need a legislative body, not against the Congress in theory.

What I'm worried about, here's the point that I'm attempting to make in a long-winded way, which is

if you don't pay any attention at all to how people feel about you when your job is to represent those people, that system can't continue.

And you're going to get a January 6th, but for real at some point if you keep acting this way.

It will be an armed system.

Like actually, actually.

And a lot of people will applaud it.

I'm not rooting for that at all.

I'm just saying that's going to happen.

Do members of Congress get this?

Do they understand how hated they are?

Do they care?

I think there's an arrogance associated with being in Congress.

I think there's a complete arrogance.

I always remember one time I was at a UT football game when I was in the legislature and a former member, or well,

they're all dead.

Most of the people I served with, a lot of them are, pulled up, parked illegally, got out of their car and come strutting across the parking lot.

And my buddy said, you know, who the heck is that?

And I said, he's a pretty big deal in Nashville.

He said, tell him ain't in Nashville.

He's in Knoxville.

And I, you know, and I always remembered that because

now I got as a judge who was telling me that my best friend, but he, um,

it was just a,

you know, a wake-up moment that I realized early on that, that everybody has got this fiefdom type mentality.

And it's

who can represent better than me?

Nobody.

And I can tell you right now, there's probably

200,000 people in my district that could probably do a better job than I am.

I'm just hard-headed enough to stick my head out of it.

A lot of people don't want it because it's frustrating.

Yeah, they see the security issues now, too.

Is there ever a moment in, you know, like at lunch with your colleagues where somebody says, man, have you looked at the numbers?

People really hate us.

This is a problem.

I usually don't eat lunch with my colleagues.

Okay, but I mean, I have a few close friends.

During the course of the day at work in the U.S.

Congress where you do work, does anyone ever note that like we're more unpopular than like chlamydia?

And that's not good.

No, yeah, I'd say we're, I'd say, chlamydia outranks us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, no, no, definitely.

Chlamydia has its defenders.

Um, no one defends, no, no, but yeah, there's a bunch of us.

I mean, we, we see what's going on, we just shake our head, but it's a lot of frustration, though, Tucker.

You know, we're in the minority.

You look at spending bills and then look at the opinion polls on things like Ukraine, other things, and you look at the board and you're wondering, where are we at?

Yeah.

What's going on?

And,

you know, and for guys like me, though, it gets incredibly tough because,

you know, the big boys start calling and the bank account dries up pretty quick.

It's hard to raise money.

For somebody like me, it is incredibly tough to raise money.

A lot of most of my contributions are just hardworking, God-fearing people.

They'll send me $10 and a Bible verse, you know, and I don't,

The billionaires usually are for me the day after the election.

Yeah, I noticed.

And they're out in force against a couple of your colleagues who

said things that are totally consistent with what the public wants.

Right.

And

the billionaires don't want it.

They don't want it.

And they control a lot of the media.

But fortunately now for the internet, we can bypass it.

People like you and I can bypass that.

Oh, I'm grateful every day.

Can I ask, so

you represent Eastern Tennessee,

which is a much more conservative than say the memphis area or even the next actually i did one point better than president trump but if he were here today i'd say that was in fact an error and that you carried me over the finish line mr president i think you would have to say that yes

um

but

so your threat is not in the general election like it's it's an r plus whatever yeah it's primary but it's just be a primary right but they could drum big money in and the dark money and okay so that's the a con a member like you is vulnerable in the primary.

Yeah, and someday I'd like to, maybe if I had the opportunity to get to the U.S.

Senate, I wouldn't mind doing that, but that would be Katie Bar the door.

They'd pour the money in all over the country to beat me.

Of course.

But you're even seeing with a couple of your colleagues are getting primaried by billionaires because they've said things that are, you know, true, but not acceptable, I guess.

But are you worried about being primaried?

Yeah, there's only two ways to run, scared and unopposed.

And

I'm a product of the primary.

The first race I won,

I beat an incumbent in a state house race, 99 house races that year.

I was the only person to beat an incumbent.

And I won with just two and three quarters percentage points ahead.

I knocked on over 6,000 doors.

I'd been run out of town or run out of business by the government.

And

it was a great lesson.

But I did knock on over 6,000 doors.

And I think I raised.

I think I raised around $8,000 or $9,000.

I can't remember.

And I thought, how am I going to spend all this dadgum money?

You know, every morning I'd wake up.

My mom and daddy, of course, were living then.

And I would throw up because I had this horrible taste of peppermint in my mouth.

And the reason I had peppermint because I licked all my stamps.

That's back in the day.

You had to lick stamps.

Yes.

And I remember one morning I woke up and I was rolled up in them.

I was like in a cocoon of stamps.

But, you know, I'd wake up every morning, I'd throw up and mama would make me a turkey sandwich on white bread and give me a sprite.

And I'd get right back and knock on doors.

For breakfast.

Yeah, that's all I could hold down.

And I'd get out and knock on doors all day long.

And,

you know, I lost over 20 pounds, got bit by a dog, took off my shirt.

I looked like a target.

I just red on the rings and white in the belly, you know, and, and, um, and so, but it was, um,

I learned, I wore out a pair of new balance shoes and the only shoes at the time that were made in America.

So I, I'm kind of big on that.

And so we won and

spent four years in the house.

And then I'd just come off of a business deal.

I had a mulch business.

I had a composting business.

And I'm a capitalist, but I can remember, you remember that scene in the Godfather right before he dies, the original godfather, and he's spraying that on the tomatoes and the little grandbabies running around him.

My daddy had one of those sprayers.

I remember he grew these tomatoes.

And at the time, I remember, I think he spent $20 on tomatoes and fertilizer.

And we got like three of these gnarly tomatoes.

Of course, this is in the 70s.

family of public educators.

So 20 bucks is righteous bucks.

I said, daddy, I'd like to try that.

I want to try organic gardening.

And he said, all right, you go ahead.

And at the time, KUB used to come by the house and

a chipper truck.

And they'd pick up all your brush, you know,

throw them in the back of one of those big chippers and it'd spit it in the back of the truck.

And I said, what do y'all do with that stuff?

We take it to the landfill.

I said, really?

How much do they pay you for it?

And I said, they don't.

We pay them to take it.

This was in 1978.

I was in the eighth grade.

This is the wheel started turning.

I was like, man, that's a business idea.

I said, dump that stuff here.

So they dumped it and I composted it and I had a crazy, incredible garden.

Squash, beans, strawberries, tomatoes, of course.

And I fed the church, the neighborhood, everybody come by the house.

I had friends and enemies.

I give my sack of tomatoes.

Well, fast forward, I went to college, six years of undergraduate studies at the University of Tennessee.

I thoroughly enjoyed my college career, six years of studies.

I didn't drink or smoke pot, and it still took me six years.

That's pretty good.

Ended up agreeing to technological and adult education.

I was certified to teach shop, took a few art classes and apparently I got an art certification, I think, on my certificate, I believe.

But anyway, so I can weld and fix motors and I can burn your house down if you need it wired.

I can't do that very well.

But all the other machine shop stuff, I can do that, or I could at the time.

So I came up with this idea of taking all the city's yard waste.

I presented it to then the city mayor.

I said, what are y'all doing with it?

And I said, we take it to the landfill.

And they could pay me a reduced fee of what they take it to the landfill.

I would grind it and then sell it.

Well, we had a blizzard that year.

So we did about,

seems like we did 30,000 tons that first year.

And they paid me around, it was under 20, but just say $20 a ton.

So I was making $600,000.

And this was in

91 or 92.

I've been out of college for a little while, worked in the business world.

And

I

literally, I would have been a million,

I became very wealthy, but I had to grind it.

So it cost me about a half a million dollars.

So I was still clearing $100,000, living at home with my family who's public educators.

So $100,000 was pretty righteous bucks.

But then I sold it.

I sold it for,

I think it was $20 a pickup truckload.

So I was selling between

I would sell 4,000 to 5,000 pickup truckloads a month.

So, I mean, I was raking it in.

It was all cash.

And I reported everything and had accountants and made sure everything I was crazy honest.

I gave half of it away to churches and schools.

Well, somebody decided they wanted that business, what I think ended up happening.

And they accused me of taking toxic waste.

They said, there's bacteria in that newspaper articles.

There's bacteria in his mulch.

Well, human body contains a half a pound,

a quarter pound of bacteria.

I mean, it aids in digestion.

If the earth didn't have bacteria, it'd be a cube.

I mean, we just press it.

You know, nothing would.

So the Smoky Mountains, there's not in these parks out here, there's nobody running around in a white suit collecting every leaf, you know, and putting it in.

And so God had a plan and bacteria is part of it.

Well, of course it had bacteria in it.

And they would test it and they did a faulty test.

And finally, it just got ridiculous.

The EPA even came in.

And

oddly enough, the day after they closed my business, I got the EPA report and it cleared me.

It said, in fact, there is bacteria in there, but there's not abnormal amounts.

There's nothing.

And the head of ut's microbiology department i'll never forget this he tucker he ate my mulch on the news to prove that this was just bogus this is crazy and the state would come in and shut me down they get how was it huh how was the mulch delicious yeah delicious um tastes a lot like chicken i bet so anyway um

I ended up losing that business.

I remember my dad told me, he said, put an American flag on top of that mulch pile.

And I did.

And he said, this thing's bigger than that.

Daddy's a World War II veteran, nothing.

He's calm under fire, man.

Him and mama both were wonderful people.

Mama flew an airplane during the Second World War Depression era.

Didn't have electricity.

She's a senior in high school.

They were tough people and they didn't like what they were doing to me.

And apparently the public didn't either.

Because I knocked on, I said, I knocked on over 6,000 doors and beat a respected incumbent, I guess, in the primary.

And

I never looked back.

And I became...

I was in the state house for four years, state Senate for 12 years.

And that's sort of been my thing, even with the UFOs.

My thing is when people come to me, because

you can hire a lobbyist, you can hire a lawyer, but the average working guy,

they call the front desk and they asked, can I speak to Tim?

Because they think they know me, because

the government's ripped them off.

And I always remember during that time, it was when,

do you remember Travelgate under the Clinton administration?

Yes.

And it seems like I think Hillary and Bill,

if I remember correctly, these people that were running the travel operation at the White House in Congress, they ran them out of business.

So put their friends in there.

So they could put their friends in there.

And those people traveled the country because I remember they had a half a million dollars or they had 300,000 in legal expenses.

I had more than that in the millet's business.

I mean, they were threatening a felony.

They were going to throw me in the federal penitentiary over this thing because I wouldn't give up.

And they had, and I remember the University of Tennessee, this liberal professor gave his kids extra credit if they would come picket me.

And they came down there and they brought the neighborhoods.

They brought neighborhood people down there and they had misspelled words in their signs, you know, and they'd park their BMWs around the class around the side and they could come picket me to look like they were just, and they all dressed down.

It was the most pathetic thing.

And

I remember the

person at the city that was really orchestrating it all against me was

I remember seeing them hug the reporter that was writing all the nasty articles about me.

And I just, you know, the whole thing was just, and I saw, I see Americans getting run down the road and i think that's why people like me appeal there's not a lot of folks like me obviously in congress but folks like me appeal to people because they've been run over and they know they can call me and i can and i'm not judgmental i just say i don't care if they vote for me or not i have people that are convicted felons people have killed people before and i've helped them out and because i don't care because i see the system it ran over me and i was just some white middle class kid from west knoxville and the system ran me over.

Well, speaking of someone, I've got two questions before I forget.

One, have you ever been threatened since you've been in the U.S.

Congress with a primary challenge by your own party?

Has anyone in your own party said, knock it off or we'll fund a challenge or they flew, from what I understand, a couple people were flown to D.C.

I know one apparently was, and I think the other one was, and they either called me or called somebody else and said, you know, no,

Tim's a good guy.

Why?

Because I rock the boat.

I'm not.

In what way?

Question leadership.

I don't.

I call them out.

I can remember one time.

Was it the UAPs, do you think?

No.

Well, I mean, they use that.

They think they can use that against me.

It's other things.

It's much deeper than that.

I can remember when I went in conference, we were at the Capitol Hill Club.

And they meet over there legally so we can talk about fundraising.

And then we were in the Capitol and have our conference meeting to talk strict politics.

And I asked the head of the committee that was carrying the bill, I said, ma'am, I said, how much money is in this bill?

And she said, I don't know.

And I said, no, I mean, the bill that you're talking about right now, the one that we're getting ready to spend all this money on, how much is in it?

And she said, I don't know.

And leadership said, man, you can't, what are you doing?

What are you doing?

I was like, what do you mean, what am I doing?

I come from Tennessee.

We run a balanced budget in Tennessee.

It's a crazy concept.

We have zero debt.

That's why everybody's clamoring.

Leadership didn't want you to ask how much they're going to be.

It just made everybody uncomfortable, I guess.

I don't know.

But things like that.

I get it.

I get it.

I ask questions.

You know,

it's just part of the system.

They beat you down, they beat you down, and then you see them.

And then, you know, the next thing, it's like that's like in Cool Hand Luke

where Paul Newman is

he comes back.

They beat him down and beat him down.

And he becomes, you know, the warden's boy.

But then in reality, it was all an act and he ends up stealing a truck and getting killed.

But I don't plan on stealing a truck and I don't plan on getting killed.

I'm not suicidal.

But Congress won't continue to exist if they keep acting like this.

This country will not continue to exist.

If we don't get our financial ship in order, we will sink.

And we're 36 trillion in debt.

Nobody cares.

All they care about is getting to that next election.

That's bottom line.

Leadership, anybody else.

These These people are all my friends.

I'm not making any

farmers, I notice people who have a different view or say things like you're saying.

So Massey, above all,

Marjorie Taylor Greene, you.

I'm not saying you guys agree on everything.

I don't think you do.

We're all very close friends.

But you have a similar orientation, which is like actually pro-America.

Is this good for the country or is it not?

And all three of you are either dismissed as crazy crazy or really really hated

in the case of massey it's like

you know he he's he's the target of like a very serious

oh

they'll spend they'll drive his money up and spend millions against him is he gonna win do you think i don't know i don't have any idea i don't i haven't looked at the numbers i don't i don't pay much attention to polls except election night.

If it's close, then I question those.

Yeah, you have every reason to.

You said earlier in our conversation that members of Congress were compromised.

What did you mean by that?

Well, I was on,

can I

name a rival of yours?

Maybe, I don't know.

I want you to name anything.

It comes to Benny.

I was on the Benny show, and it was early on, and Benny and I become friends.

I didn't realize he was so close to

Charlie Kirk, but he

had me on early on and

honestly, I didn't know who he was.

And he asked me about that and I said well I said here's the way it works it's the way it's worked in the past the Russians even have a name for you know the honeypot you um and I don't go on overseas trips much I've been to one trip and that was prior I've I've been on one Codel um

that's I went to the Mexican border and I went down one day with um

um Andy Biggs, who's no, who's a good Mormon, who's hopefully maybe be the governor of Arizona.

But he, um, he said, Burchit, we're going on this trip.

I know you don't go on these things, but it's just, it's just, it's one like you'd like.

We'll go down there and back.

We'll stay at an awful motel.

We'll eat some cheap Mexican food, some barbecue, and we'll put you on a plane back to Tennessee.

And I said, all right, Andy, I'll do it.

And,

but, you know, that's about it that I've done.

And so, what happens is you're, you're, you're overseas, you're being told how great you are, you're sitting at a bar, and somebody and they know what you're into, guys, gals, combination thereof, drugs, whatever, and they'll hook you up and you're thinking you're the stud, you're the, you're, you know, your wife's away, nobody will know halfway around the world.

You end up sleeping with somebody and then, you know, you're out.

Next day, you're flying back to America.

You know, you're, you're back front row at the church, you know,

and then you're getting ready to make a key vote.

And somebody comes up and whispers in your ear, hey, man, were you in a motel room with a girl in, you know, Istanbul or something?

And he's like, oh, crap.

He goes, man, we don't want that out.

And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, we don't.

We're not going to put that out.

I said, if you can help us on this little bill, though, you know, now that's the way they used to do it.

And I'm not so certain they don't do that now.

And it's funny when I did that show with Benny the next, and oh, I caught hell.

I caught hell.

So you said that.

I said that.

And members said, oh, you can't be saying that stuff, Burchett.

Why?

Truth hurts, I guess, for some people and other people.

Have you ever, by the way, just parenthetically, ever been attacked for saying something false or only true things?

Only true things.

Only true things.

So I'm, it's funny.

The next week, Tucker, there was this huge, and I said, it always gets covered up and everything gets covered up and then somebody owns you.

That's compromised.

That'll be the title of my book if I ever write a book, Tim Burchett's Compromised Washington, because that's what happens, or it has happened in the past.

The very next week, a Chinese prostitution ring was busted in where?

Washington, D.C.

And who are the, and it was listed in the paper, who is their client list?

High-ranking officials

in government, elected officials, and lobbyists.

Now,

to me, that's all kinds of red flags going up all over the place.

Well, and then the next week, the story disappeared.

Yeah, of course it did.

But I think what they do now mostly is they have jobs.

If you look at these guys and gals

and, you know, they're, they have a wife and or girlfriend that'll work in one of these industries.

$100,000 to a multi-billion dollar corporation is nothing.

I mean, it's, it's an extra supply of paper clips or something.

I think that's how they do it now.

You have them in

political offices, you have them in business offices, you have them all over.

And you have what?

They're employed.

And so they own your ass.

See, they're employed by these people.

I'm sorry.

Get my wife a job, get my girl a job.

Get them both a job, you know, and keep them separate.

And,

you know, I know of, I mean,

it's just common.

I hear about it all the time.

I hear about it.

Very common.

I hear it.

I mean, it's, I mean, they just talk about

she works over at defense.

She works over at.

justice.

She works for this case, or he does, or somebody does, or they work back in the district for such and such.

I mean, it's just human nature.

People that members of Congress are sleeping with, either legally or not, are employed by forces that want to control members of Congress.

That's what they used to do.

And now I'm pretty sure, you know, I knew of instances where that happened when I was in the legislature.

And now they do it through the employment agencies.

Through employment agencies.

I mean, just, I mean, they employ them, is what I'm saying.

They employ them.

Yeah.

No.

I mean, I, I know a bunch of members of Congress.

I can, right off the top of my head, I can think of with spouses in this or that industry.

And they might be incredibly qualified, but the reality is America's not buying that.

Nobody should.

But again, 12% of the population votes.

This is what you get.

I have noticed, just having spent my life in D.C.,

that people's personal lives are getting weirder in the Congress.

Have you noticed that?

Without implicating anyone by name, I don't think I'm imagining this.

It's not just sleeping with your scheduler.

It's weirder than that now.

Have you noticed that?

I try to stay in my office as much as possible.

Well, I just want to say for the record, I never heard of anybody participating in an orgy in Washington, D.C.

in my entire life, and I've heard a lot about it recently.

So that is, I wasn't there.

I'm not going there, but I think that's real.

So I've never been, I don't know if it is or it isn't.

I'd like, I'd hope that it isn't, and I'd like to think that it isn't, but I've never been invited.

So

when I was at the state legislature, we used to talk about that, how we knew some people were pretty shady.

And, um,

but you know, they never, they would never come to somebody like me and offer me anything because they knew my background.

No, and they know you're making skateboards in your garage.

So you're busy

in my barn.

In your barn.

So one of the members of Congress who all of us were encouraged to think was weird and to hate, he was almost like a ritual sacrifice for the sins of the, of the entire body, I felt, was this guy, George Santos.

George Santos was not even a full-term congressman from New York who was,

you know, like a serial fabricator, made up all these kind of amazing stories about his life.

And he had played on competitive volleyball.

He worked at Goldman Sachs, and it was all kind of, it was all fake.

He was both Jewish and something else.

I can't remember.

Anyway, it was all made up.

He wound up.

We always say Jewish-ish.

I think I heard Schumer say that.

I was amused by the whole thing.

Maybe I just

would have badly.

But I just thought, who is Congress to stand in judgment anyway?

But I don't, well, that's it.

But I don't remember George Santos ever advocating for like killing innocent people, which is like very common.

George Santos had one of the most conservative voting records in Congress across the board.

Conservative.

I mean, sometimes I'd look up there and think, dad, gum, George,

that's a little harsh for me.

You know, he'd vote against something that was

and I'd say, it costs $5, Burchett.

We're broke.

And I'd go, all right, gee, you're good.

I'm good with it.

You know, interesting.

Yeah.

So

George Santos wound up in prison.

And I spoke to someone this morning who's close to George Santos, who visited him in prison this weekend.

Right.

And told me that he saw George Santos

shackled in chains.

And he's been in solitary since he got to prison.

He did an interview.

He's doing time in a federal lockup too.

In a federal lockup, in solitary confinement.

24 hours a day.

He's 24.

He gets out, I think, one hour to maybe eat and take a bath.

What is going on?

How did George Santos wind up in prison for like seven years and now he's in solitary?

What's P.

Diddy doing for maybe?

Oh, I know actual criminals who

are like celebrated on the front page of the newspaper.

So I know a lot of them.

So whatever.

Not, I don't want to lecture with the deep unfairness of life, but like,

what is that?

Why?

I think he's a sacrificial lamb.

And I think our party and everybody else just kicked him to the curb and said, look how righteous we are.

And I just don't, you know, he'd always sit with me on sinner's row.

That's what I call it.

Every time somebody would get in trouble, they would or proceed to be in trouble because I'm not, you know,

I've said this before, and I'll say it publicly.

George is under a heck of a lot of pressure, and I call myself a Christian.

And if I sit there and watched him

kill himself over something and he went to hell, I'd have that on my soul.

And I just don't want that.

And,

you know, my chief of staff called me one day and said, holler, hey, boss.

I said, he goes, I know what you're going to say.

And I go, well, what is it?

And he said, nobody wants to take George as their mentor.

Would you be his mentor?

And I said, sure, sign him up.

And he just shook his head and said, said, yeah, he'll do it.

And then,

and George and I just became fast friends.

You know, his office was caddy cornered to mine.

And the press would be just lined up down the hall.

And some kid would walk by close in stature down the other end.

I'd go, hey, there's George Santos.

And they'd all run down there and chase him.

And I'd have fun with that.

And then George would come in the office and I would talk to him about that.

And I'd talk to him about my faith.

And, you know, I just said,

this is not reality, George.

And I'd say, promise me, if you think you're going to take your life, you'd call me anytime, night or day.

He said, I will, Tim.

Don't worry.

And he never did, you know, but he'd call me from time to time.

But who is, like, how did he wind up in prison for so long?

To me, I just don't understand that.

We just turned our back on him.

And, and the Republican Party leadership did.

Oh, absolutely.

They don't want anywhere near it.

We have to, and I guess they.

Like he's creepier than they are.

Sorry.

That's not true.

Yeah.

No.

True.

That's, so I'm just, you don't have to say that.

You work there, but they're, they are way creepier than George Santos, in fact.

George is a very interesting guy.

And yeah, he fabricated a lot of stuff, but he's literally doing more time than

P.

Diddy or or what at Combs or whatever his name is.

Solitary confinement.

Solitary confinement.

And generally solitary is where they put the violent people, the people that have committed heinous crimes.

And I hear people say, good, good.

I hope they lock him up for the rest of his life.

I've heard someone say that about George Santos?

Oh, yeah.

I've heard it.

Where?

In Congress.

I've heard him talk about it and how bad it made it look for us.

I was like, for us?

I said, have you not read the papers lately?

We do a pretty good job of making it look bad.

I don't think George Santos started the Ukraine war.

I mean, what?

No, we just, I don't know.

I think, again, we're a little big on ourselves sometimes.

So, um, it does see he's clearly being punished, he clearly has powerful enemies.

I'm not sure who they are, but or maybe I don't understand the whole thing, but how

this person called me this morning to say, Can you save George Santos?

I mean, I said, I'm a podcaster, I can't save anybody, but I

don't know.

That's this is like the this is truly wrong.

What's happening to George Santos?

It is completely wrong.

Yeah, he committed, I guess he took money he shouldn't have, but.

It was a campaign finance violation.

Yeah, a campaign finance violation.

Correct.

Right.

The whole category is.

And, you know, they stacked so much up against him.

I think the amount of time he was going to do was just incredible if he'd have stacked them on top of each other.

But then to torture him once he gets to prison.

I think is

he's if he if he if he lives through it all,

he's going to have one heck of a story to tell.

You don't want to live in a country that does that to people, I don't think.

So only Trump can save him.

Is that kind of where we are, do you think?

I think so.

I think so.

And it can commute.

You know, he did these reality TV show people that he didn't even know.

We happen to know George.

Give him community service home lockup or whatever, but I just think it's a waste of taxpayers' money and it's a waste.

just, it just doesn't seem right.

I just don't,

unless everybody else is going to go to jail for a longer amount of time for the crimes they committed.

Well, I mean, I remember very well Bill Jefferson.

I mean, I've just watched a lot of different scandals in the Congress, almost all Democrats.

And the Democratic Party stood behind those people till sentencing.

Oh, yeah.

The leadership.

You remember they all walked out of Congress when Clinton was and they, you know,

was there that day.

Yeah.

Yes, 1998.

I'll never forget it.

it.

So

the Republican leadership with Marjorie, Taylor Greene, with Massey now, and with Santos, just like immediately, we've never heard of the guy and we hope he dies in prison.

Like, what is that?

Why can't the Republican Party have leadership that stands by its people and stands by its voters?

Is that too much to ask?

I think we read our opinion polls too much and not our souls.

Well, I mean, what's your sacred duty?

it's to represent the people who elected you that's the whole purpose of being there i always thought too our anger if we had to be angry at anybody it should have been the democrats who did the opposition resource i mean you know opposition uh research on on george i mean you could have googled and found out that stuff you could have called the school and said hey is he in school here or whatever

i mean the guy's like an epic bullshit artist i get it i mean i don't you know i'm not defending lines that federal is that a federal crime

Well, you just spent an hour telling me how they're lying about UFOs, which is a pretty serious thing to lie about.

They're shutting down military bases because they can't, you know, because they don't control the airspace.

That's correct.

So that's very serious.

They're lying about the Kennedy assassination.

They lied about September.

Yeah, the funny thing about Kennedy, we had him in on our committee.

Luna chairs it in this oversight subcommittee.

And we had a doctor in there who was in the emergency room with Kennedy.

And he said there was clearly an entry wound,

an exit wound, and an entry wound, and an exit wound going the opposite direction.

And, you know, one bullet supposed to, that magic bullet did that.

Shot John Connolly and the president simultaneously.

Those files have not been fully released, as you know.

No, no, and they never will be.

They never will be.

Just power control.

And

the CIA or whoever would have to admit that they were wrong.

They'd have to admit that they were wrong.

And the arrogance, it's just,

i think once you take the oath you you get an oath of arrogance that you got to protect us our our past and we'll protect you kind of thing in the future and i just think that carries on with them all and they for whatever reason

okay but george santos pretending to be a high-level volleyball player is the real crime that is the crime of the century he said he worked at goldman sachs kill him

Okay.

Just to put, just to put deception in perspective here, because I think they're, you know, not all lies are the same.

I agree.

Okay, final question.

Since you, more than many member of Congress, have thought about this, as candidly as you can answer, what do you think, based on what you've heard, the UFOs are, actually?

I think,

again,

God created the heavens and the earth.

And every night I go out with my dogs, usually at four o'clock in the morning, they go to the bathroom and look at those stars.

And I see the light from those stars.

And it's hard for my very small brain to comprehend this.

A light from those stars left there before the time of Christ.

And some of those stars don't even exist that we're looking at today,

which is hard for me to fathom, or as a good old boys would say, hard for me to fandom.

But

I think there's something else out there.

I do not think we are the best that God can do.

Now, is there something here

that's proposed to me with these deep sea areas?

I don't know.

Has something been here?

But

the way for me to comprehend anything traveling light years, I mean, it's just beyond belief.

That is beyond belief.

But now there's this quantum, I've been explaining quantum physics, and I really don't understand it, how something can be here

and instantaneously be here

almost simultaneously.

And

that, to me, begs the question of how does that fit into all this?

And if something's here in these deep sea areas, has it been here for,

you know, thousands of years?

And that's the other question.

That's what, you know, these folks in the Navy kind of, and I have to be real careful.

With the folks in the Navy, what?

That, that I've talked to about this undersea type.

And what have they said?

They said, we don't know what's down there.

And they said, there's, we think there's a reason that they're over these deep sea areas that we cannot get to.

And so I don't.

Their belief is whatever these things are.

They've been here.

And

obviously, if there was, if they meant harm to us,

we're doing a pretty good job of harming ourselves.

Just look at our political structure.

But the truth is, is that we just don't know.

And I don't know.

My thoughts are kind of evolving on it, Tucker, to be honest with you, because I get to the point sometimes where I'm kind of beat down.

I think, wow, this is crazy.

There can't be.

but

how many of these people got to come forward to me that I, that I know and respect,

have tell me what they've seen, and there's no, no explanation for it.

And so

I just think it's another one of those things I'm not going to know till

I'm in heaven.

I mean, I know that sounds, that sounds weird and doesn't sound weird at all.

It sounds entirely true.

And that's true for a lot of things, including understanding people's motivations, including your own motivations.

Like there's, we don't understand anything.

I mean, of course.

We don't.

I mean, it's every, you know, and science can't get out of its own way.

Every time they find something new, you know, it's like the coelacanth, for instance, it was a

lobed thinned fish caught off the coast of Madagascar, I believe it was, and it's supposed to have been extinct 50 million years ago, but all of a sudden it's here.

And then they, well, you know, there was this, but they can't explain it.

And I, again, go back to that Bible verse, those professing themselves to be wise became fools and i i think it's i was on a show the other day with uh a guy named loe he's a ufo guy he's um yeah i think he's at harvard i believe anyway he um

he was talking about how science what he likes about science is that it's that it's it's it's changing and it's in it how it but a lot of scientists it's like you know, this is a brick wall.

This is the way it is.

It's not going to change.

And I think with the UFOs, that's kind of the situation we're in.

I just tell you, I've talked to too many people that have just sworn to me what they've seen and

some that I can't

disclose.

And I would hope that eventually those people are able to come forward.

Yeah.

And in general, that people would start telling the truth.

It's an act of liberation when you do.

Congressman Timberchart, I appreciate your coming on.

Thank you.

Thank you, Tucker.

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