Dr. Daniel Pompa: How Heavy Metal Poisoning Destroys Your Health

Living my life the way I was was scarier to me than dying. Like most people, I was digging for answers.
God led me to the answer, and I started just putting the pieces together. When things don't make sense on the labs, modern medicine just gives up.
If there's an epidemic or a pandemic, it is hormone resistance. We really need to be considering how do we get ourselves more sensitive to hormones.
The body has an incredible ability to bounce back from absolute abuse. If you remove the interference, the body heals.
Everything's about survival. More is not better and potentially even devastating for you.
The key is adaptation. And if you don't adapt, you end up causing more inflammation later.
How do I embark on a cellular anti-inflammatory journey? All my cellular work that I teach comes down to... Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.
I'm your host, human biologist Gary Gary Brecca, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Today, we have a really, really special guest on the podcast today, someone I'm actually proud to call a friend.
His family is biohacking in my rooms in the background. True.
We've got somebody in a hawket machine, somebody in a hydrogen bath, somebody in a red light bed. But Dr.
Daniel Pompa is an incredible guest, probably best known for his books on cellular healing and beyond fasting. But what I really appreciate and like are the healers that didn't just start out on a journey to be a healer.
They started out on a very personal journey. When they start out on a journey to heal themselves and solve a personal problem, I think that you find a very, very special type of healer, someone who introspectively really understands the journey of the people that they're trying to help and the patients that they're working with.
So Dr. Pompa, I'm excited to have you on the podcast, man.
Thank you for coming today. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I'd really like to, I mean, we're going to get into a lot of the specifics of, you know, just what beyond fasting is and your cellular healing diet and some of your, you know, your supplementation that you teach physicians to use to really get to the root cause of disease. But what I want to talk about first is your own personal journey.
And ironically, we last connected at the center. Yeah.
Layla's clinic. Yeah.
And, and, and what I love about Layla, I love the Centner family just in general for the entire world changers, world changersers i mean their school yeah and uh the center

for healing which is here in uh miami amazing and i went to the grand opening of that but she had a very similar you know personal journey and is now out there to find people that are on a similar journey and help them heal so tell us a little bit about your journey as you know as a physician Yeah, it was all the way back in 1999, 2000, where I just got sick. I mean, I'd say, you know, fatigue, just like most people.
I was training at that time. I was doing a lot of miles, 250, 300 miles on a bike, racing at the expert level, lifting weights, very busy practice.
Two young boys at the time. So I thought I was just burning out, honestly, or, you know, at least over training.
So I, like most people, I cut back on the training, didn't help. I, I took off two weeks, which is, you know, unheard of when you're doing things like that, right? Two weeks.
Oh, surely I'll come back and feel good. I didn't.
And then it went into headaches. Then it went into insomnia where I would wake up in the middle of the night, couldn't get back to couldn't get to sleep the fatigue kept getting worse and the anxiety kept getting worse and then gut problems started which i never had so you start chasing you know running from different foods is it this is it that and then i just like even like weird panic attacks irritability anger sound sensitivity believe me i'm brushing over it i it got very very bizarre the symptoms.
And like most people, right, I chased it, right? My thyroid, it must be that because I had every symptom for thyroid issues, even my hair thinning. And adrenals were fried.
I knew that. So I was trying to address those.
And some things would get better, but most things were actually getting worse. And so I started going to different doctors looking for answers.
just you know many of them running a practice yourself i was barely i mean honestly i you you know it's bad when you look at your book and hope everyone's canceling like you just look at it and say okay there's not that many people coming in today thank god um but you know i like most people i was digging for answers you know going to different doctors i remember running $5,000 worth of blood work, went to the top toxicologist, Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh. Surely they're going to find something.
I'll say if they told me I had cancer, I'd be like, okay, at least I have something because no one's telling me anything. And now I can fight something, right? He came back and he looked at me and his exact words were, you're healthier than me, son.
So, of course, you know, at that point, you look at you like you're crazy, right?

So, yeah, that was not the response I wanted.

But I was looking.

I was digging for stuff.

I did a mercury test, blood test, because I found Mad Hatter's disease online.

And I had every symptom.

Do you remember what that is?

I remember what that is.

The hat makers would actually get mercury through their skin. That exactly that's right yeah and it was part of the process uh that they used to attenuate different molds and that and the felt that they were using but i had every symptom i was mad as a hatter so when it got the blood work back i was disappointed it was negative fast forward now i was working with a very bright endocrinologist he said dan i think you I think you have mercury toxicity.
And I said, I thought so too. And I did this test.
He says, well, that's the wrong test. If you were a Mad Hatter, you'd have poison, acute mercury poisoning, meaning getting exposed daily, like the people making hats, it would show up in the blood.
But I don't think that's it. I think it's more chronic.
It won't show up in the blood or the urine. So he told me, challenge it out.
It'll give you some reflection. But I think it's more brain mercury.
And I did that. And sure enough, there was an odd pattern of all metals.
And so I said, what test was that? So it was a urine challenge using a water-soluble chelator, like DMSA or DMPS. And it's good because it goes through the there's there's no perfect test for mercury uh it's because the mercury that really affects us is deep in the tissue in the brain and uh when it is that deep without biopsy you know you're oftentimes not going to see it as a matter of fact some of your most sick people from mercury uh or any heavy metal um oftentimes it looks like zero in the urine.
So to answer your question, what test did I do? So doing a challenge with a water-soluble chelator and then looking at the urine, it's a reflection possibly of what's in the brain. And so there was an answer because I had a lot of heavy metals that absolutely shouldn't have been there.
Wow. So you did this test, you find the, you know, you find the mercury and other metals, which could have been like one of those Perry Mason ta-da moments like, okay, now I've got an enemy at least.
And then, so talk about how you, what did you do afterwards? How did you go down this journey? The thing about it is if you go look online, I mean, keep in mind, this was back in 1999 or early 2000s at this point, you know, cause I started getting sick in 99. But so imagine this being 2003, uh, not a lot online, right? Yeah, not a lot online now.
Yeah, it's true. But even still, it was still chaos and confusion.
Uh, you know, meaning I would look and find contradicting information everywhere. I mean, it's like very confusing.
So literally, I started reading studies, dyslexic as a child, so I'm good at that. And I started digging and then I started calling the scientists.
I started, you know, literally, you know, doing the homework to that level. And I started just putting the pieces together.
I mean, I honestly say this, I, I went down a lot of false, you know, bad roads, right? Roads that at least led to nowhere. And I learned things, but I'm telling you, God led me to the answer.
And, um, in my story, and I always have to give credit here in my story, we had two young boys at the time and people, you know, sick and challenged and not knowing what's wrong. I understand it's a huge stress on the other spouse or loved one.
Yeah, the family. And, you know, my wife crying out for answers for me and the family and the kids, because oftentimes she had to take the kids out of the house because I couldn't even handle the noise.
Really? And yeah. And, you know, I didn't want to live.
I mean, it wasn't like I planned suicide, but living my life the way I was was scarier to me than dying. Wow.
You know, because that's how horrible the feeling was. And again, it's hard to even put words to.
And sometimes I don't even remember until I bring things up and I'm like, yeah, yeah. It's like I get goosebumps and teary-eyed when I think about certain things, like how I was with my kids.
I wasn't a good dad. I wasn't, I became someone I wasn't.
Right. And that's where, but my wife always reminded me, you know, because at one point I said, you think I'm just crazy? And she says, no, you know, you, there's, you were normal and now you're not.
But she was on her knees crying out to God for answers and god spoke to her heart not an audible voice spoke to her heart as she says as clear as day not only am i going to get him well meaning me but he's going to take a message to the world wow and i wouldn't be on this podcast if that wasn't true i got goosebumps on that you see what i mean about a personal journey having an impact on somebody's passion way, though, I have to say this. When she would say that to me, I didn't want to hear it.
I would get very angry at her because my response was, I can't even get myself well. Don't put that on me.
Yeah. Right? But not seeing, obviously, what God saw.
I've been teaching doctors now what I learned in that battle for over 20 years. And now taking it directly to the person looking for answers, because that was me.
And I want to talk about that battle and that journey. So is this what led to the cellular healing diet? Is this where you...
Yeah, you know, you start to put some things together to downregulate inflammation, right? And all my cellular work that I teach comes down to what is driving cellular inflammation, which is driving hormone resistance. One of the things that I realized is my blood levels of hormones were normal, even though I knew they weren't functioning right.
I knew my testosterone wasn't functioning right. I knew my thyroid hormone.
But when my blood work kept coming back normal, what I learned later is I had so much inflammation of the cell because toxins make their way into the membranes, right? The outer membrane, inner membrane. I don't want to confuse people with too much science.
But when that membrane becomes inflamed, you can't get the good stuff in the cell. You can't get the toxins out.
Yes. That cell becomes more and more toxic.
Now genes start getting turned on and the receptors to all your hormones are on the outer membrane, lipid rafts, right? Hormones have to connect to those, get themselves in the cell or their message. And if that doesn't happen because the cells are so toxically inflamed, then you don't feel well, despite what your blood levels look like.
Because we're measuring hormones and other concentrations of nutrients in the serum of the blood, but we're not actually measuring. It's interesting.
I stumbled upon this myself. I was actually watching a Joe Rogan podcast one time and this guy was on, he was talking about high levels of B12, marginally high levels of B12 being linked to cancer.
And I actually went and looked the study up and it was actually the deficiency in intracellular B12

that was leading to the cancer.

And it was high outside of the cell

because of the lack of utilization.

So this is kind of what you're referring to.

And I think this is maybe why it escapes,

let's just call it modern medicine for lack of better words,

not to attack physicians that are trained to look at blood work, but you're looking at the serum concentration in the blood. And then you are assuming that the cellular metabolism is functioning.
In toxic people, you know, like I was. And by the way, when I went through this, I was a rare commodity, right? It's like now, now my gosh i mean you know you're if you're in a room with 10 people uh 7 out of 10 you know have some form of neurotoxic illness you know this you see it right and uh cellular inflammation driven by this problem creates hormone resistance we understand it with insulin resistance that means you have plenty of insulin in the blood oftentimes too too much, but to your point, but it can't get it in the cell.
It's not the receptors blocked. That's resistance, insulin resistance, right? Thyroid resistance is happening too.
So that's why when people go and say, okay, finally, my blood work is out of normal, right? Give it another 10 years, maybe five years, maybe mine would have been, they would have put me on a medication, made my blood work look normal, right? People out there watching this are going, yeah, that happened to me. And you're saying, I still don't feel well.
You know, my hair is still thin. I still can't lose weight.
I still have anxiety. I still, you know, it's like, it's because they improved your blood levels, but it's not getting, it's in the cell.
Thyroid hormone has to get in the cell, hit the DNA and all this wonderful things happen you lose weight normal you feel good you have lasting energy no brain fog right yeah but the world today honestly if there's an epidemic there or a pandemic it is hormone resistance oh my god yeah so it's like look there's a time and a place there's a time and a place to take a hormone right i mean there's a time and a place to give those crutches. But we really need to be considering how do we get ourselves more sensitive to hormones? That's a whole nother topic.
That's what I teach. That's how I got my life back.
You know, and the other thing too is one of the things when I started reading studies about mercury, I started reading most of it accumulates in different parts of the brain, which will drive different symptoms. One of the big places is the pituitary hypothalamus.
You and I know that controls your hormones, right? Your thyroid, your adrenals. That's the control tower.
Your hypothalamus receives information from your body hormone levels. And then it tells the pituitary what it needs more or less of, right? There's this perfect balance going on.
And that balance is determined by that control tower. Well, mercury accumulates there.
You know, and by the way, people in moldy homes, biotoxic illness, people that have been in moldy homes even years ago, that hypothalamus, those receptors get blunted to different other hormones. Mycotoxins.
Exactly. So again, there's the control tower that gets poisoned our cells our

cell membranes are affected by these toxins and we're chasing the symptoms either with supplements natural things or medications or hormones time and a place but the point is is you don't get a lasting result you have to get to those causes you know and you know what we see in the clinical practice practice all the time is people with relatively um uh statistically low levels of hormone with no signs of hormone disruption and no plenty of energy sleeping well performing well keeping lean body mass on not bloating no waking no water retention no brain fog and then people with optimal levels of hormones that are having hormone deficiency symptoms. Absolutely.
And I think this is a hallmark example of how that could occur. And when things don't make sense on the labs, I think, you know, and a lot of times modern medicine just gives up.
That's right. And they go, well, you know, you don't qualify for hormone therapy.
You're a male, your testosterone's at 750, your free testosterone's at 14, 15. This is all in your head.
But no, I'm exhausted. I have no libido and I can't sleep and I got brain fog.
And so if someone's watching this podcast and they're identifying, first of all, which I think a lot of my audience is gonna identify with, you know, some of the challenges that you face,

maybe not to the level,

but they identify with some of those symptoms.

Where do they start?

Like, how do I embark on a cellular

anti-inflammatory journey?

I know it's gotta start with diet and lifestyle,

but what are some of the practices?

Yeah, I mean, exactly.

You know, my cellular healing diet was coined that just because I'm like okay let's control what we can control right that drives cellular inflammation you know vegetable and canoils oils get rid of those i always tell when i go to restaurants i'm allergic right it's like you know i'm allergic to these no if you hear us order we do that i'll make exceptions and eat some gelato a little bit you know right it's like but i don't make exceptions there those fats stay in your cell membranes for months not hours not days but months driving cellular dysfunction inflammation those hormone receptors blunts them so it's also the sinister villain behind cholesterol cholesterol gets blamed for a lot of crimes it of crimes. It doesn't commit, but you know, when you introduce, I'm a believer, cholesterol is one of those important fats in the human body.
Yeah. So I am too.
But, uh, yeah, I mean, so the, you know, these avoiding you, you asked where they start, like, let's stop, you know, the things that we know drive inflammation, right. And diet plays a role, but look, I think that we have to realize that toxins are the number one driver of cellular inflammation cellular dysfunction and you know that's what i started teaching my five r's is a roadmap that i started teaching there's a story about this right so of how to fix the cell because my point is is that real detox is a cellular issue right meaning that you know there's things, there's things we can do.
Saunas are great. You and I love them.
We're all these biohacks. We do them, right? Yeah.
But if you don't upregulate cell function, then you're never truly going to have a lasting detox effect. The reason is because day in, day out, your cells are detoxing.
When you make energy just to live, to think, ATP is a dirty process. It's right.
It's a dirty process. It's like burning wood in a fireplace.
It makes smoke. If that damper is not open, that smoke's backing up in the house.
You and your family die from the smoke, not the flames, right? Well, that's the cell. When that cell's inflamed, those toxins that your cell's making become endogenous, meaning inside your cell, now you've got a toxic problem inside your cell.
Real detox is fixing that. That cell has different pathways that need to be fixed if you're going to have a lasting result.
There's a story behind the five R's. I was lecturing to a group of doctors in California and I was so excited.
I was explained to them that, look, this is real detox. This is what's broken.
This is why people don't feel well. This is why people's hormones aren't working.
This is why. And I'm going through it.
And you've lectured to enough audiences to know when you have them and when you don't. When they understand and when they don't.
I left there so discouraged. I literally sat on the airplane like they missed it.
I was the only excited one in the room. Right.
It's like, yeah, I always fine that all the time. That was a bad experience.
So literally, I literally started praying because I'm like, I just, there's got to be a way. And then the five hour, I'm telling you, I got it.
An idea picked up my notebook. The five hours was born.
What is it? I don't want to lose people in the science, but our number one is the obvious. You have to remove the sources.
And I think today we're missing a lot of sources of why people don't feel well.

So let's circle back to that.

Our number two is regenerating the cell membranes.

I already explained that the hormone receptors are in the membranes.

Your mitochondrial membranes is where we make energy.

You know, the nuclear membrane.

So you have these membranes that get inflamed.

These membranes that determine.

There's a saying. It's not my saying.
Life and death begins on the membranes wow yeah and i would i believe that yeah and i would ultimately say well you know bruce lipton i'm sure you probably yeah yeah i mean he showed the intelligence the innate intelligence that means the inborn intelligence in the human body literally is in the membrane that's what he determined it's in these integral membrane proteins right it's like he's spot on right we used to think it was in the human body literally is in the membrane. That's what he determined.
It's in the integral

membrane proteins, right? It's like he's spot on, right? We used to think it was in the nucleus. No, it's not in the nucleus.
If you take the nucleus out and he showed this out of a cell, the cell lives on and it even does its functions. It's a white blood cell.
It will go after bad guys, right? But if you destroy with enzymes, these hormone receptors in the membrane, dead, instant death, right? So life and death is in the membranes. And that's R2.
If we don't regenerate them, we're never going to get well. You're not even going to get the good stuff in your cell and the bad stuff out.
It doesn't matter what supplements you take, what diet you eat. So we have to fix the membranes.
R3 is restoring cellular energy. Okay.
If you don't restore cellular energy, this is one parallel. There's something called the Gibbs free energy equation.
That means that you need a certain amount of ATP, two molecules to make one molecule glutathione. And glutathione is how your body deals with oxidation and inflammation and detoxification pathway, right? That's how it's getting things out of the cell and renewing things right so energy drops glutathione drops but here's what the equation says inflammation goes up so now we're in this perpetual cycle you see and then r4 is you have to reduce inflammation and you know a lot of dietary things that we're talking about these are sequential no you work them as you can right you know but and then lastly r5 and this is a topic you love methylation yep methylation glutathione and methylation parallel each other one's down the other's down one's up the other's up they parallel each other and uh the energy pathways methylation obviously dna genes getting triggered turned on and off we have to re-establish and that's the R reestablish methylation.
And look, I, you know, I know you, you know, you do a lot of, that's a fit. That's your R right there.
You know, a lot about it. You do.
And I appreciate that because people need to hear the message, but when people are sick and challenged, they often say, cause you do a lot of the genetic testing. I'm always i'm always like look i are i just assume you're methyl depleted because people that are sick and toxic i don't care what your snip is your genetic your gene you are depleted in methylation when you're neurotoxically challenged and not well so no matter what we have to re-establish it and uh it you know obviously it's a big deal there's a principle i you should find this gentleman i always give him credit for it um his name is uh veninsky alan veninsky dr alan veninsky the methylation priority principle methylation priority principle yes and here's here's the principle and people are going to get a good lesson what it shows is first of all all stress physical chemical or emotional deplete methyl groups car simple carbon and three hydrogen because many reasons that you need that carbon and three hydrogens methyl group to activate a stress response you need it to turn off cortisol adrenaline all of it right it's survival the priority is it will use methyl methyl groups for that survival mechanism first and foremost here's the problem the stress mechanism that's right the stress mechanism so it's prioritizing methylation to that now we also know that you need methylation to get rid of toxic hormones for hydroxy estrone that can drive cancer and all these so when you do a 24-hour urine hormone you oftentimes see people who have dangerous levels of for hydroxy estrogen and or 16 and then their methylation is depleted yes and that's why even on the dutch test you see that that's the dutch test the omt you'll see that catecholomethyltransferase gene mutation is actually on there right down by the e2 pathway that says you know does is this working or is it not yeah and and by the way just but people that stress bucket physical chemical emotional and it's at the top or overflowing meaning yeah yeah a lot of toxic stress the body i said this once i'll say it again the body doesn't know the difference of stress physical chemical, chemical, or emotional.
Once it builds up and that bucket is full, your methylation is being tagged. So the methylation priority principle is we're shoveling it to there.
And what problem is, is now we're not protecting our DNA. Now we're not making proteins.
Now we're not getting rid of toxic estrogen or toxic hormones or antigens. So, you know, that, that's a principle that I learned

from him many, many years ago. I'm actually going to look that up.
Yeah. Yeah.
Methylation

principle. Yeah.
Methylation principle. Yeah.
You'll, you'll love it. And it's Alan Veninsky.

Alan credit Veninsky. All right, Alan, I'm coming to give you some credit and I'm reading your book.

If you've got one interview. All right.
And I'll interview you. You know, I, I've had a lot of

guests on the podcast and I get a lot of requests. I mean um dr gabrielle line was was on the podcast and she actually did someone posted on her social media that um i have a tendency and we have a tendency as as biohackers and she was actually absolutely right about this to um to be men to talk about men to service men to always talk about male hormones hormones and the journey that a lot of men have been on.
I want to sort of transition this to the females for a moment and female hormone therapy and premenopause, perimenopausal women, postmenopausal women. How much of this cellular inflammatory cycle and these five R's are affecting women that are pre or post-menopausal? More.
Yeah. Perimenopause, a lot of things happen, right? And women are hormonally more complex than men in a good way.
It can work for them, live longer. I've seen both sides of that equation in my house.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Okay. Now we got to keep the ladies with us here.
There's an answer, but more women are affected by autoimmune. More women have thyroid complications.
And I think, and let's talk about why, but after COVID, more women, I think 54%, ridiculous number of women ended up with thyroid strain, struggle, diagnosis-y. I was like, wow.
Because again, what happened in COVID? Very odd virus. If your stress bucket was already really full, many people became what we call long haulers post-COVID.
I think it's like one out of six now people I just still don't feel well since. Wow.
It may be of the therapies from it or who knows. Right.
But you know, they're complicating factors. The solution created a lot of problems.
But look, a few things happen. In perimenopause, your hormones are adjusting.
It's actually very normal to remodel bone. Estrogen levels are naturally coming down and you start to, women start to lose bone.
A lot of lead is stored in the bone. Matter of fact, most of it, many women dump lead.
I'll tell you another time that happens during pregnancy. It's normal to lose bone during pregnancy, but out comes the lead.
Four generations inherited lead in utero, four generations wow yeah so and we also inherit the epigenetics the genes being turned on but meaning if your mom had lead then you do in four generations wow my and this has happened to my wife my wife during perimenopause started getting different weird hormone things going on right and we weren't just going to chase it with hormones so we started digging we did the dutch test okay and her methylation was tanked and we started and she had a buildup of four hydroxy estrone her mother died for hydroxy estrone is a toxic potentially toxic estrogen metabolism very good at binding water too which helps women and know it can drive cancer, particularly breast cancer. Her mother had breast cancer.
Wow. When about treating it, you know, standard way through medicine, chemo, et cetera, ended up, well, she was considered a cure.
And then 10 years later, because I said, Joyce, you didn't really get to the cause of what's going on. You know, at that time, I wasn't even sure.
But 10 years later, she ended up diagnosed with uterine cancer. Two years later, she died.
My wife was heading down the same exact road hormonally. Wow.
Well, we were trying to support her methylation in every way possible. And it just wasn't coming up.
And long story short, we did a heavy metal test, same test I did. Her lead was off i mean off the chart literally off the chart and so i started reflecting my son who had these gi problems she having the symptoms of um just hormone toxicity yeah exactly and some hormone things and like you know lead has a little pattern different than mercury right she didn't have the same symptoms i had a lot of joint pain yeah yeah mercury's fear dude i was bloated with fear anger irritability anxiety you know horrible feeling of dread in the middle of the night i would wake up just with a feeling of dread you know horrible depression you know i had it all so i became someone i wasn't but my wife's symptoms were different so my son had these gi issues and we ate perfect diet fed our kids amazing uh tested his lead off the chart my next one which we called the banshee and he had these skin things off the chart they got their lead from the mother she got her lead from the mother i'm saying this to say like look it's normal to lose bone out comes the lead you know mercury same thing there's a study.
There's a study called the Drash study. It's a German study that showed, sorry, ladies, but the number of silver fillings that you have or your mom is proportional to how much they found in the baby's brain on autopsy studies.
Wow. And that's very, very accurate because these are, you know, autopsies from, you know, dead fetuses.
And the amount of mercury correlated to amount of fillings in the mouth to make fillings. Yeah.
So we're born into some of these toxins. My point is, is that bucket that I'm talking about starts filling in utero and then through life.
You know, what money homes did you live in? What, you know, what other exposures contact lens fluid? If you look at my story, I wore contact lenses in the 70s, 80ss and early 90s so i wore them when they were new okay but the uh the saline solution had mercury in it wow yeah so that's been that's been banned in the 90s but it went right into our brains right and of course i had my own set of fillings right so mercury was going right those fillings contain 50 mercury They vaporize mercury despite what anyone says they vaporize mercury for the life of that filling into the brain mercury vapor crosses the blood brain barrier turns the inorganic mercury and there it's locked for life despite it's a forever chemical part of my process that i teach passion that's how i got my life back is how do we get this inorganic mercury that has a half-life longer than we live out of the brain. That's a process.
I believe I have the only safe and effective way on the planet to do it. And of course now, Gary, now, okay.
If you put mercury and aluminum together, opposing metals like that, they have a higher lethal dose value. Simply put, if you put them in a study, they kill yeah they right they kill more rats right it's like in smaller amounts together than they do one higher than the other okay so aluminum and mercury you know where we're getting crushed with aluminum right now and i know there's a lot of conspiracy in our air they've put aluminum as one of the additives in jet fuel to make it more efficient dollars and cents they're saving my view we can make jets fly longer on jet fuel we're going to save billions of dollars problem is is aluminum is one of so it's creating coming down as acid rain in our water and our food we're being crushed with aluminum aluminum the mercury exposures you wonder why we have a world full of brain fogged people, you know, heading for neurological disaster.
I have a 0.1 micron air filter in every room of my house. There's one right there.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because I mean, we are exposed, whether you like it or not, when you go outside on certain days, you're going to be exposed to higher levels of aluminum, but regardless, it's in the water, you're filtering all your water. So am I, but how many how many people aren't? And then you wonder why.
We have an explosion. I mean, even the last 20 years of thyroid conditions, I mean, just skyrocketing.
Insane. Yeah.
Well, we know mercury and aluminum affects thyroid. The thyroid's the canary in the coal mine, meaning it's the most sensitive to neurotoxins.
And we date ourselves a bit, but the canary in the coal mine means that they literally in the old days they didn't have a sophisticated equipment to like you know bring down i know what that means yeah yeah i knew you did i don't know if they do my cameraman don't yeah exactly you guys know what that means yeah no see they're shaking their head no canary in a coal mine they literally brought a canary down into the coal mine if the canary died they said we only have like so much time to get out because the canary was that sensitive. And they use canaries in the coal mine.
Thyroid is the canary in the coal mine, meaning it's the first to go. So if people suffering from thyroid symptoms, and again, you have thyroid dysfunction years, years, Broda Barnes says 10 to 20 years before you actually have a blood test that shows you're out so that means you're having the dry skin the brittle nails the the hair thinning the low energy the brain fog constipation all those are thyroid symptoms you have that before your blood work goes out right probably going back to your receptor sensitivity discussion where it's actually you know the receptor desensitization starts which actually makes the hormone level less important.
And now you're, and then eventually your hormone levels give way. Eventually it goes down.
Yeah. Right.
But then we go to our doctor and then he puts us on a medication, makes our blood work look normal. And we go, we go back in a couple of months and he says, well, you should be feeling better.
And you're going, yeah, I'm not. Oh, okay.
I might have a little more energy. I might be, but yeah, I'm not feeling better last.
It's because they didn't deal with the cell, right? My saying is you have to fix the cell to get well. If you don't do that today, because that's why people don't feel well, despite diet change, despite taking hormones, despite name the list, the supplements they take, I, that message was not even hitting 20 ago.
Now it's like, yeah, that's me. You know, I'm doing all that.
I still don't feel well. It's a cellular issue.
You have to upregulate those pathways. And then now we can get our cells functioning.
Now all the stuff works. Now your supplements works, your diet works.
You start losing weight again. So anyway, that's- I love that.
So we, you know, so for females you know that are that are menopausal and they're actually starting to they look at their hormone profile and everything seems normal but you know they really just don't feel well emotionally physically they're not sleeping well they've got the you know the classic water retention that you know we call the estrogen band but they got the classic estrogen band they've got brain fog um and and once in a while and i see this profile come through our clinics all the time um they'll say there are just days where i have crushing fatigue and other days where i'm just tired and then once in a while i feel normal but it's it's it's occasional so where that woman start? Filtering her air, filtering her water, because she's not going to get a standard hormone panel because that's going to tell the same story that you were talking about. What are some of the ways that they can test for some of these toxic levels of metals or mycotoxins? Hi, guys.
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Yeah, look, I always start with a simple um test i i did a uh a webinar that's um free online people can watch it by the way i'm going to put links to all of these in the show notes i'm going to put links to beyond fasting in the cellular healing diet because yeah if they go to pompaprogram.com there's a webinar there that's free that it's what i taught doctors same information i taught doctors And I explain this, right? But I always say, start with a simple cellular inflammation test where you measure melanin deltahe. It looks at basically membrane oxidation, which is a reflection.
It's better than a CRP for specifically what we're looking for. Right.
C-reactive protein is just a general. General inflammation, right? And you know, as well as I do, unless you're're in a really sick state most people will come back pretty normal right even though we have an optimal range but the cello inflammation is way more sensitive and um yours would be under three it would be very good right um you know but most people today it's not and that will be like oh yeah well that's why my hormone receptors that's why my hormone receptors.
That's why my hormones are working. That's why.
So we start people there. And then, you know, what we do from the test is, OK, meet with someone.
Then, you know, help people look at their lives and identify what I call their perfect storm. So think about this.
Everybody out there, when we see someone's bucket overflow and they say now I'm fatigued. fatigued, now, you know, all the symptoms we're talking about, the anxiety, the depression, the, you know, you name it, the hormone challenges.
Basically, they get to the point where, like I said, the bucket overflows, but there was three stressors that came together. So I have people try to figure out where those stressors are, meaning we want it to be one thing.
I did have mercury toxicity, but I was also living in a low grade moldy home. I was also doing 300 miles on my bike.
Physical stress, mold, biotoxic stress. Right.
And mercury is another stress. Boom.
My bottom fell out. The perfect storm.
You remember the movie. We're dating ourselves again.
George Clooney, three weather fronts come together. It was, that was the eight, was that eighties or nineties? Hopefully it was the nineties.
Cause it feels like it was yesterday. Yeah.
Right. I know.
It's so true. Yeah.
George Clooney kind of looks the same, but anyway, three weather fronts come together. Catastrophic storm, right? That's what we see.
We're all rotating the same direction. So similar kind of intensity builds up.
Yeah. So when we're, when we're evaluating people, we're looking for that perfect storm of three stressors.
And then we say, okay, what can we do to get rid of those three stressors? And then we can really get to the solution. So let's talk cause I said, our number one, let's circle back to it.
I think that functional medicine has taken a turn to the left, maybe not such a good turn, meaning we're really excited about a lot of expensive tests, but ultimately it's moved further away from getting to the real causes, right? So if I didn't get to the mercury in my brain, I wouldn't have got my life back. If I didn't remove the fillings that were pushing mercury into my brain, I wouldn't have got my life back here.
Yeah. And if you're still living in a moldy home, unknowing, I know you don't smell it.
You probably had an air test done, all came back normal, right? But that doesn't mean you're not living in a moldy home, right? Mold is very difficult to test for. It's cyclical, I'm finding out too now.
Like you can spore and then sort of become dormant and then it can sporulate again. So if you actually happen to be during, it's you know it has a growth phase and a shedding phase and you know mold has a similar phase that i don't i don't profess to be an expert on mold by any means but i did as i've had more mold toxicity clients and i've been working with dr minkoff in in tampa and um one of the things i've come to understand is that yeah mold actually cycles too so people will test their home and they're like, hey, I tested negative for mold.
And one of the things I've come to understand is that, yeah, mold actually cycles too. So people will test their home and they're like, Hey, I tested negative for mold.
And well, look at all the mold toxicity. 98% of all air tests come back negative, right? And it's like the molds behind the walls or it's somewhere in some molds don't even spore a lot like stacky botrys.
Yeah. We're the mold capital of the world right here in Miami, Miami and Malibu.
Yeah. California.
Oh yeah. Listen up.
If you live in Malibu, you know what it is too? It's a lot of they bontra yeah we're the mold capital of the world right here oh yeah miami and malibu yeah california oh yeah listen up if you live in malibu you know what it is too it's a lot of the hvacs so when i walk into a building because i have a nose for it and i'm sensitive to it now i walk and i go mold i turn around walk out because yeah the hvacs uh they build up mold in the coil long story but so it doesn't have to be behind the walls oftentimes it is in a HVAC, especially in humid areas. The point is, is that many, many people are sick because they're in a moldy home.
You know, one of the symptoms are nasty weight loss resistance, or all of a sudden they gain weight. Hormone dysfunction like crazy because biotoxins, we're not talking about a mold allergy here.
There's mold allergies. You're allergic to the mold spore, but we're talking about the biotoxin.
The actual mycotoxin. Right, the actual mycotoxin, which is a nasty, nasty neurotoxin, meaning it gets into the nerve tissue like mercury, and it makes people really sick.
You know, you get a certain set of symptoms, frequent urination at night, frequent urination period. You get the insomnias, the anxieties, the inability to lose weight because it affects the leptin receptors in the hypothalamus.
But the bottom line is you might be in a moldy home. If we don't get to that cause.
And today, to your point, the way we're building homes is we have a problem. You go to Europe, thousand-year europe thousand year old buildings they don't have mold why it's the way they built the buildings compared to we are their circulation yeah yeah circulation exactly we have drywall which has mold food on it i mean you know drywall it has paper all you have to do is add water and you will have mold because the molds here right right yeah so it just makes no sense makes no sense, but we're still building homes.
I remember the big issue we had in, in, um, in Southeast and Southwest Florida with Chinese drywall. Yeah.
Called the Chinese drywall. Toxic.
And it was absolutely, I mean, people were getting violently ill. I was actually in one of those homes where we actually had to, our builder had to, uh, it was a community in Naples called the Sari.
And our builder had to come in and remediate all. Everything.
And beautiful home. And they had to literally come in and rip it down with studs.
And then ozone it and put the drywall back. But the exposure to some of these, so air filtration, things like ozone filtration systems, things like that, that we can actually put into our homes to really filter our air and try to.
I always tell people they should build an imaginary fence around themselves and begin to filter things before it gets to their body. Absolutely.
Because where else your temple's going to be the filter? So we can filter our water before it gets to the temple, or we can let our temple filter out the fluoride the chlorine the micro well when we walk outside we get aluminum exposures and other exposures right i mean multiple exposures uh glyphosate another chemical they're spraying on our food it's in 60 of the rain so we better control our environment we can control right where we're spending 14 hours a day 20 hours a day who knows but you know that's what we have to control so your point you have to filter your water you have to filter your air uh and look i i know these things you know there's a price to it but what's the price to your health right right you know you you and people out there don't just run and get your fillings out there's a proper way to do that um biologic yeah and then remember it's bioaccumulated in the brain. That's my process.
We have to get it out of the deep tissue, let out of the bone, mercury and aluminum out of the brain. You know, there's a process, but you ask the question, what can you do? You have to control the input of these things.
Here's a great analogy. If we had a bathtub upstairs, all of a sudden overflowing, that's the symptoms we don't like, right? Here's the, the, all the things, the damage being caused, right? That's the autoimmune condition, the thyroid condition, the diabetes, whatever condition it is you're diagnosed with or symptoms you don't like.
And we can open up the drain, but if the water's flowing in more than the drain can drain, cause it's only this big, then we're not going to get well. We're going to still have damage happening until we slow down.
We probably, we don't, we don't have to turn it all the way up, but if we slow down what's going in, that's your responsibility. And then we can now open up the pathways.
And I argue we have to do that at the cellular level. You have to open up these pathways.
We have to get ourselves. If your cells are healthy, if your cells are able to do what God designed them to do, we're able to combat it.
Right. I'm not saying it's perfect.
You know, we're overexposed today. Right.
But you have to get your cells doing what they were designed to do day in, day out. And that's get rid of toxins.
So let's pay more attention to that. Yeah.
Because, you know, very often I disagree with people that say, and I know it's a sort of a scientific law, the dosage determines the poison. But the truth is that sometimes the dosage doesn't determine the poison.
It's the cumulative dosage that determines the poison. It bioaccumulates in our tissues.
I mean, nobody ever got mercury poisoning from one piece of tuna fish, right? I mean, they got mercury poisoning from microdosing, for lack of better words. So you can have a safe level of mercury or a safe level of arsenic or a safe level of lead.
And there are levels that are considered safe of all of these things. But if you're not eliminating these things from the body, then small accumulations eventually, which is why in Europe, very often for toxicity levels, they'll use cumulative dose toxicity and say, hey, well, we can't allow this compound, glyphosate, for example, because in cumulative doses, this is very toxic.
Yeah, somebody can eat some lettuce that has glyphosate on it and they'll be fine. But if they eat that lettuce every day, and it's also on their apples and their oranges and their pears and their peppers and their vegetables and their produce, well, now all of a sudden, the body can't eliminate that safe dosage.
And so you take in the toxic fish the toxic lettuce your body does what it does right right you know and it gets rid of it because it's survival right it's processing it you know to the point you made but then it's overwhelmed and then it's more then it's more like where we're at today different even than 20 years ago and now the pathways are breaking and is it would it be right to say it would take less to overwhelm it once it's in that state so as soon as you hit the state of information yes now the small assaults are it's like sunburned skin absolutely you see the people who are like when i was sick gary i would sit next to someone with cologne on it would ruin not just that day it would ruin several days yeah i mean one sniff of mold would put me really down that's how sensitive i got that's how filled my bucket was i mean wow i couldn't hit you know i always like i get two glasses of water fill one to the like the top right at the edge and then i fill one just a quarter of the way up right i can stress this one a lot no problem that's that's where you're at right and me now you know how many people are right at the edge a little bit of stress, and then all the damage, all the water overflow. We have to empty our buckets.
And then you can tolerate more. Then you can hit the fish.
Then you can live a normal life. Because I hear it.
I heard it from a guy just two days ago. He said, well, come on, aren't we just, no matter what, there's toxin around.
I'm like, you're right. That's why you have to build up your capacity to deal with it otherwise you're going to trigger a gene you're going to end up

with a thyroid condition you're going to end up with brain fog fatigue it starts there right and then the bad then the cancer diagnosis could come right i mean once the cell gets more and more toxic the dna is going to get affected so so in your protocol um you know one of the things that you talk about in your book that I find really fascinating is creating new stem cells. And how does, how do we create new stem cells? Our stem cells are as old as we are.
Are you talking about releasing new stem cells? Because I, you know, I'm fascinated by, I think the whole field of biologic stem cells, exosomes, natural killer

cells, natural killer blood draws. I mean, this sort of whole area of biologic medicine,

I believe is the future. I'm fascinated too.

So how does one go about increasing the number of their own stem cells without putting stem

cells into their body? Yeah, without putting stem cells in the body. So the cheapest way,

fasting. Yeah, look, I go.
Oh, yes. I want want to go down this road i'm excited to go down this uh yeah i i got into fasting in the 1990s i literally visited these like fasting clinics who extend like do you know extended fasts with people like 30 days 50 days we saw this uh this week i I just did a podcast.
When did we do that two three or four days ago um with um dr valter longo oh i love valter yeah yeah valter's amazing and um um i mean he's he's like beyond intelligent but what he let me know about and he talks about it on the podcast is that um he is about to release a series of three clinical studies they're finished with the and they're publishing it. One on Alzheimer's and dementia and neurofibrillary tangles and amyloid plaques.
One on type two diabetes and another one on dementia. And the simplicity, for lack of better words, of using fasting to turn the power of the human body on these egregious neuroinflammatory conditions and things like diabetes.
And he used the term, these are his words, not mine. These diseases are reversible.
That's it. His words, not mine.
His words. And he said in this study, they're going to prove that.
So, you know, I just took 55,000 people, I think I had for a three-day water fast last month. And I took another 73,000 people through a three-day breath work challenge.
But I want to go down this road of fasting. You wrote a book on it.
Yeah. I mean, fasting is fascinating, you know, what happens.
And to go back to answer your question, by the way, Walter is, you know, he really brought to the forefront partial fasting where you don't even have to just do pure water now i'm a fan of both yeah um i learned fast mimicking yeah fasting mimicking diet which basically is a partial fast that means reducing protein and calories down below to a certain point protein typically under 20 grams calories somewhere under a thousand yeah depending on body size you're talking about And, uh, and it works. I learned that type of fasting, um, from a French gentleman and, uh, he, you know, read his books and his articles and because I noted that some people just fasting is a stress.
And if you violate the premise of hormesis, meaning if you don't adapt to a stress, it becomes negative. So we can talk about that with the biohacks but um what it is what happens during this stress is the body goes into a survival mode and it starts crush it smart enough to get rid of the bad senescent cells these are cells that live too long drive inflammation age you prematurely right cause all kinds of trouble zombie called, right? Senescent cells.
The body's smart enough to go after those. And it goes after those to get the nutrition that it needs for survival.
It's fascinating. But it's so smart that it not only gets rid of, if it gets rid of a bad one, it stimulates a stem cell.
And that was your original question. and it remakes a new cell so valter in one of his studies he showed that when you're in a fasted state your body's getting rid of these immunosenescent cells so these are cells that live too long in your immune system those are really bad because it gives you low immunity it causes you to have hyperimmunity autoimmune, right? So we know that in a fasted state, it's getting rid of those and it's creating a new cell, which he calls a naive cell, meaning we're chill.
We're not going after the bad guys and we're young. So we have great immunity, right? Creating more of those guys.
So, but you know, one thing that I loved about Valter's one of the, you'd mentioned the diabetes study that was first done in rats. He showed that it wasn't just one study.
What they did in that study is once a month, they did a five-day partial fast. Next month, five-day partial fast.
Next month, four months, I believe it was in that particular study. And they saw the beta cells in the pancreas regenerate themselves.
That's what he was saying. And they actually did, now they've done it, repeated it in humans.
Yes, and that's what he's working on right now. And I don't want to misquote it, but it's in the podcast.
But I want to say he used large samples of patients and it was randomized and it was placebo controlled. And one of the groups was over 500 patients.
And the results were so profound that I think at one point point they actually considered stopping the study it seemed almost inhumane um but we're going to have randomized human clinical trials now from a world-renowned um you know researcher and i think he's he runs the longevity center at usc um um usc davis and um and and real you know instead of people having to make the extrapolation

from rats into humans,

from humans to humans, which is amazing.

Yeah, which they've been working on that.

Vulture has been a gift, you know, to this area.

Yeah.

When I was into fasting in the 90s,

it was like me and some natural hygiene society people.

I mean, no, it wasn't fast.

Well, you were tree hugging way back then.

Let me tell you something.

This is a, now I go to these seminars, right? Even the low carb events, right? Keto events, et cetera. And now I see people fasting too much and they look gone.
I mean, it's like, because fasting is a stress, right? Too much is not good. Too much autophagy, remember autophagy, meaning your body's getting rid of the bad cells.
We just talked about the benefit of that, but that can go too much where you're now into that catabolic state. It's a breakdown state.
There's a pathway that anti-agers hate. It's called mTOR.
Now, I disagree. I think mTOR short term is an incredible pathway where we build muscle, we build, rebuild ligaments, tendons, you know, it's a building pathway to their point.
If you stay in mTOR too long, they can prove in studies that you age prematurely. So, but so everything that stimulates mTOR, elevated protein, this, that, they hate, they hate, they hate, right.
But look, autophagy is at one end, mTOR is at the other. Too much autophagy, no good.
People are fasting too much. It's not good.
It's too much stress. And then you have the mTOR pathway.
Too much of that, no good. You know, I teach in my premise, a diet variation, meaning moving in and out of different diets.
Every culture, healthy culture on the planet did this. They did it because they had to.
Yeah. And his longevity diet, he talks about this too.
Yeah. And it's like, so I've taught it for years, go into ketosis, but go in and out of it.
Do carnivore. Don't stay in it.
Right. I've, I've taught it for years.
And by the way, you can look at the people that say keto causes cancer because of something called four hydroxynenolone builds up this nasty free radical wait that's why it works in the beginning that stimulates all these positive changes and then but if you stay in it too long it bioaccumulates it builds up and then it becomes a negative the same diet you're on i could plant-based diets too much plant-based diets eating plants you have too many little toxic stressors that, can start inflaming the gut. Any diet too long causes problems.
When you change a diet, you actually create a stress on the microbiome and actually create diversity. It's magic.
Yeah. This is metabolic flexibility.
Absolutely. But so one of the things I trained my doctors and coaches is switch diets, make people switch their diet, switch their diet, more variation, more variation.
I love that. It works.
And talk a little bit about, for the people that are not super familiar with fasting, I mean, how does somebody harness the benefits of fasting without taking too much of a risk? Are you a fan? Because I was surprised by Dr. Longo said that he actually wasn't a huge fan of intermittent fasting, especially the very narrow windows.
Yeah, I know that. I've actually seen in our own clinical practice practice um you know some of the worst endocrine disasters in menstruating females have been ones with really really narrow feeding windows um it's it's an endocrine disaster for them i agree tell them that like narrow their feeding window down to they're highly disciplined i mean we had a female crossfit athlete that four hours a day was all she would eat so she spent 20 hours a day fasting it was It was a disaster for her.
She actually ended up with something called red S. Yeah.
And this is the people I'm talking about fasting too much. Yeah.
It's anything too much, you know, anything too much. 37 degree, you know, we were talking about this earlier.
Yeah, we were. You know, I get in a cold plunge, three minutes, minimum, six minutes, maximum.
And I'm at 48 degrees. I'm not like not like you know 34 degrees and i don't stay in

there for 12 minutes but i see folks on on um you know instagram taking a snorkel going underwater they're underwater for 12 minutes 37 degree water and it's it's kind of like a oh you go in 37 degree water going 34 degree water you know i go in 33.1 you know after we finish the fasting conversation I want to get back into that conversation.

I want to get back into that too.

But, um, uh, so my, my, uh, question essentially is that, you know, for somebody that's watching this, hasn't participated in my fast, hasn't, hasn't read your book on fasting, isn't familiar with Dr. Volter Longo.
Um, what's this sort of a safe path for somebody to go down to experience some of the benefits of fasting? Well, first of all, to your point, right? You know, everyone's different, right? Like we were talking about, not everyone can jump in a callback for three minutes. And if they do, not only is more, not better, it's could be a lot worse.
Yeah. Yeah.
They're not adapting. Everything is adaptation.
If you don't adapt, you make a positive negative, right? Same with fasting. So a lot of people were just, oh yeah, I, you know, they get a result.
So they think by eating one meal a day, or maybe they are, they're eating in a four hour window to your point. Right.
And they lose some weight, but the problem is, is they might be losing a lot of muscle weight because their body's not efficiently burning fat because they're not efficient at it. They're, cellular problems, right? And so what happens is, is then they're continuing doing this.
Now they're straining their adrenals, their thyroid, their hormones, and they end up in this hormone down spiral, as you described. To answer your question, what your fasting window works for you.
Here's a good way you could do it. Okay.
So people listening. So let's say you get up and you say, okay, I'm going to skip breakfast and I'm going to just push it out till 10 o'clock.
Wake up in the morning. Let's say you wake up at six or seven, check your, and they sell meters, very cheap, inexpensive meters for this.
Check your glucose and ketones. Ketones are what, when your body burns fat, it makes ketones.
Most of your viewers probably know what that is, and okay so test both levels before you do anything before you have your coffee before whatever you do do it first now at 10 o'clock before you're ready to eat test the levels again what you should see is and you could do three to five days so you get a good average you should see glucose trending down from your weight glucose and ketones trending up. If you don't see that, despite how you feel, you're not adapting to that level of stress.
So let's say your first meal is up to two o'clock. You would test in the morning and then before two o'clock.
And you should see that trend because what it's showing is at least I'm adapting enough that I'm burning fat and using that for energy. Now, if you exercise or, you know, do something or get stressed out, you're going to throw your numbers off.
As opposed to seeing higher glucose levels, you're saying. Yes, exactly.
So then you see glucose trending down, ketones trending up. It's a good sense that you're adapting to that.
Okay. So that gives people a better sense of what fast works for them.
But here, let me answer it even better for people. I'm okay.
The app, you know, most people can do one or two days where they fast with a one meal a day, maybe in a four hour window, but the magic is in the feast. People are forgetting about that M tour pathway.
The feast is the magic. So I go around saying, you know, you need to feast.
Don't forget about the feast. I interviewed Karen Verde.
You should interview her, but she, she first one to show. It was a mouse study, I believe.
But they compared like low-fat diets, low-carb, you know, all these different diets. The diet that worked the best to break through weight loss resistance was actually feast, famine, feast, famine, feast, famine.
Really? And I said, Karen, why was that? I think they were doing like low-calorie one day, regular diet. Low diet, low calorie, feast famine.
Okay. I said, why is that? She said, because it forces adaptation and there's a hormone optimization that takes place when the body is in that state.
The point is, is we're just famine. Yeah.
And with intermittent fasting. And I, you know, you can't just do that much famine.
You need feast days, even from the simplest standpoint, your body, everything's about survival. Would you agree with that?

I would.

Everything, right? That's why biohacks work, right? Everything's about survival. Probably like feast famine works.
Okay. Yeah.
It's very ancestrally in tune with how it is. your body but here's the thing look it your body when you famine too much it'll eventually go i'm

gonna save gary's life and i'm gonna to slow my metabolism down. I'm going to hold on to fat.
And if I have to, I'll even use muscle. It's easy.
It's cheap. I've heard you say it, right? It's easy.
30 seconds, burn up the muscle, right? Gluconeogenesis, boom. Okay, so it'll do that if it has to.
And so you're getting lower and lower metabolism as that happens. Now, if you just take one or two days a week, people with hormone challenges oftentimes need three, feast, famine, feast, famine.
And if you feast, your body, it reminds your body it's not starving. Simple as that.
So imagine you're in the middle of the wood in Alaska, right? Or you have a cabin in Alaska. And I do too.

And I come over to your place in the heart of winter.

This winter's colder than normal, harder than normal.

You have a normal pile of wood that makes you, gets you through the winter.

Typically this winter is bad.

So you're dwindling your pile very quickly. Matter of fact, so quickly you get nervous to survive.

So you burn less wood.

You turn the metabolism down. You're saying, you know what? I'm going to keep my house at 55 because I got to make it through this winter.
I only have so much wood. I come by your house and go, Gary, holy cow, man, this place is freezing.
Yeah. I'm running out of wood.
I got plenty. I come over and dump a feast day.
I give you more wood. Guess what you do? You turn it back up to 70, right? You know what I'm'm saying so that's what the metabolism does you know so the point is analogy people are putting themselves too much intermittent fasting daily and their body starts backing into it may take months but it backs into a survival mode screws your metabolism up hormonally because that's what it is that's what we've seen you know and then add feast days and watch the metabolism fire up so they just remind your body it's not starving it's not rocket science here right yeah you know it's it's it's so funny because i i i just experienced that of my own accord you know i'm i i don't know that i necessarily do feast famine feast famine um days but i don't think we have to do it so structured yeah but i take um uh you know once in a while i'll just take a sunday and I just fast on a Sunday and I'll just drink mineral water throughout the day.
And I wake up Monday morning and I feel so clear and so energetic. And then I eat normally on Monday, I actually wake up just as clear and energetic on Tuesday.
And I've done this so many times that I know it's not just the fast. It's also the feast afterwards.
I don't think anybody can not fast for- The hormone optimization that occurs because of the feast. Because I feel amazing.
And when we did the three-day water fast, I actually had people use bone broth day one and then eased into it days two and days three. And one of the most interesting thing that people reported was that they didn't realize how much time they actually spent eating.
They said, I wasn't hungry, but just behaviorally, I got up and went through the refrigerator. I got up and went into the kitchen, the office in the kitchen.
And I usually walk in there four, five, six times a day because I'm constantly nibbling on snacks. They say the average American eats 17 meals a day and people go, no, I don't, no, no.
But it's the bite of nuts. It's the olive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just constantly, you know, grazing.
But it still causes your body to have to process that. It's still a lot of energy to eat, you know? And Walter talks about this, right? It was the predecessor um was in the human genome project you know what that was it was where they put them yeah where they put themselves in a biosphere literally for like two years ran every test on themselves they diminished calories i think it was at 35 i think it was because studies show that genes turned on that make you live longer, right? It was a complete fail.

And then it was a fail because caloric restriction never works.

Number one, they came out catabolic.

Okay.

And oh, their gene, their cert one gene was triggered to live.

Wow.

However, all their other parameters, they were an inflamed state.

Their immune systems were horrible.

Right.

And their, their organs literally shrunk complete fail. And that's when Walter said, wait a minute, we know caloric restriction is good, but short periods of time.
It's exactly what he said on the podcast. Yeah.
It was a fascinating podcast because he talked about yeast and then talked about mice and then talked about human trials. And now I think this next series of clinical studies that he's going to publish within the next week or 10 days or so, right around the time the podcast comes out, is gonna really rock the world of fasting because it's going to give real science and real data in randomized trials to the support behind caloric restriction for short periods of time.
That's the key. And repeating that.
I think- That's the key. The study was exactly what you said, was five days.
And he has a fasting program called Prolon. Yeah, it's boxed.
It's easy. I love it.
I mean, it's easy because people go, well, what do I eat? Right here. Here's a box.
It's one box. And I think it's easier to go to 800 and 1100 calories a day than is to go to zero calories.
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
And by the way, he's here's where I disagree with Walter and all respect to Walter. You know, he's he's far smarter man than I am, but I do have clinical experience.
He's against water fasting, but I see why. Because fasting is a stress.
The average person, a pure water fast is too stressful for them. And you may not, you'll tap into muscle.
A normal person will go, you'll lose a little muscle day one, and then growth hormone rises. And then the body protects its muscle because it's in survival mode, right? And it does right things very sick and toxic people they don't go through that normal phase so oftentimes the the right things don't happen and you don't see as good of autophagy so he's gravitated to partial fasting but i like starting with partial fasting yeah um in the reason for the reason most people are metabolically challenged right and what do you say what's the percentage of people that are metabolically challenged in the US? I would say over 70.
Yeah, okay. I've heard you say it.
I'm like, I think I agree with that. Oh yeah, yeah.
No, it's a vast number of people. So talking about the adaptation, let's ease into that discussion about biohacking because first of all, I'm a big believer in red light therapy beds.
I'm a believer in the cold plunge i'm a big believer in saunas um i just showed you my steam room i filter filter my steam before i go in there um i don't pro i i follow sort of valter's path 12 i.e for 12 hours and fast for 12 hours which he says is a very safe zone to be in um and then once in a while i'll do a 24 or three-day fast. I'm actually going to start doing his five-day fast mimicking diet after this podcast.
I am absolutely convinced that that's the way to go a couple of times a year. But talk about some of the big biohacks that are out there.
Cold plunging, red light therapy, some of these other big biohacks that are out there and and the pros and potentially the cons of some look the easiest way to understand a principle called hormesis means if we stress a biological system us if we adapt we get better faster stronger healthier if we don't adapt bad things happen okay yeah understand that's a principle If you exercise and adapt, you get stronger, healthier. If we don't adapt, bad things happen.
Understand that's a principle. If you exercise and adapt, you get stronger, faster, et cetera.
So therefore we hire trainers, at least good athletes do, to make sure that we're adapting to the stresses that they put on. Studies show that if you don't create a stress, meaning if you're doing the same exercise all the time, you actually start getting, stop getting benefit and you even get a diminishing result.
So we need to. Or overtraining.
Exactly. Right.
So anyways, most people, when they first start, you know, they start reasonably, you know, or not. They go into the gym and do too much.
It's a negative, right? Right. So we understand we can overtrain, but this applies to cold baths.
The only reason a cold bat or or heat cold anything you just mentioned this premise of hormesis applies if you go in a cold bath the body thinks it's going to die what does it do raises up norepinephrine which raises up growth hormone which makes your heart your cells more sensitive to hormones all these major wonderful things happen brown fat activation yeah oh yeah brown fat activation all of it if you adapt so no matter what you feel good after because you know you have this you know norepinephrine rise and all your you know good hormones come up but how do you feel later that day or the next day because if you are tired more tired didn't sleep well maybe you looked at your heart rate variability and it's dropping you didn't adapt to the three minute cold bath. Maybe you need less than Gary or me.
Take it down. That's not what's being taught.
So people are just going, oh, I heard three minutes. I'm going to make three minutes.
I'm going to make three minutes. Many people out there, just like the fasting can't adapt to that.
And if you don't adapt, you end up causing more inflammation later. The key is adaptation.

Saunas are the same way.

And I said this to you earlier, right?

I said, when I was sick, I couldn't even take hot showers.

Yeah, you said that.

I would be just wiped out later that day.

I just, you know, so I learned to take very lukewarm showers.

I wasn't adapting to the heat.

So people go into saunas because they hear an hour, whatever it is, and they force themselves to do it. More is not better and potentially even devastating for you.
Wow. So we have people that have thyroid, adrenal challenges, hormone challenges.
I promise you, they need less. Yeah.
And you saw this one study that recently came out. A 10-minute shower, or I'm sorry, 10 minutes, 10 seconds of cold before your shower every day worked out better than the big cold plunge.
I believe they were just looking because they were looking at average people put the average person in a three minute cold plunge. When they looked at the results, it was not good.
As good as the less stress consistently, less consistently, less long. All they did is lower the stress level and more people did better with that.
Right. And I, and I believe that's the case for many of these biohacks.
And I can, I can absolutely see that too. So, um, sort of bringing everything, um, full circle from your, um, all of your experience, your personal journey, um, you know, your, your cellular healing diet, what are the big takeaways that you want people to remember from this podcast? Because they've heard a lot.
I got to filter my environment. I got to take care of my cells.
I should intermittent fast with too short of a window. What are the big three or five takeaways that you want them to walk away from? I would say that one of them for me is that you can heal from whatever you're being challenged with right now.
So that is the first like message is that the body has an incredible ability to bounce back from absolute abuse. I mean, from you were just horribly abused in the state that you were in.
So, I mean, I want to give people hope that have, you know, chronic conditions that they just

are, they just reached the end of the rope and they're exhausted on, but what are the big takeaways that you want them to? You know, one of the things I always say is the only reason I'm qualified to help you and those people is number one, I was called to it, right? I didn't choose it. Um, but the only reason I'm qualified is because I was you, right? If you are going to help, uh, drug addicts and alcoholics, you better darn be, you better have suffered and overcame it, right? And that gives you the authority because one day they're going to say, you don't know what it's like.
You don't know what I feel, right? I know what you feel. I know what it's like, and that's why I'm qualified.
So, but that gives you hope. There is an answer, but what I want you to hear to answer your question is there's a cause.

And I think that alternative medicine has moved further from getting to the cause.

Even when I first started lecturing on stages, you know, it was, it seemed like people got it.

NDs, DCs, MDs, at least that were there in that room.

You know, yeah, cause, let's remove it.

Today, it's almost like we got too fancy um and we're forgetting about these major causes neurotoxicity is rampant because of what we're under today i think most people agree with that yeah but but again it's not as simple as just sitting in the sauna that we love i mean there's benefits the saunas don't get wrong and you should do them. But you do have to get to the cell, right? And, you know, I've spent 20-some years teaching doctors, the principal.
And my kids, I think we had this conversation because your kids work with you, right? Yeah, they do. They saw me on this, you know, treadmill of teaching doctors and even one-on-one helping people.
And they said, Dad, if you were called to take this to the world, it's not happening. And it's not going to happen the way you're doing it.
That's an honest conversation. It actually sounds like something my daughter would say to me.
Exactly. And I said, yeah, but detox isn't here's a box of pills.
It has to be specific for everyone. The doses, you know, what chelators, what binders, I mean, it's different for everyone's son.
So, you know, anyways, you know, he had a different vision of how we can take this to the world directly to the person looking for answers. And I say that to give, you know, to give people hope.
So that's what we did. I mean, pump a program, as you know um it's direct to the person hurting you know direct

to the person looking for an answer as opposed to me trying to change train the doctors but

there is hope you have to get to the cause if you remove the interference the body heals

it does i love that it's it's a dang principle that works i didn't get well because of specific

vitamin i got well because i got the mercury safely and effectively out of my brain we i got

well for taking the biotoxins that were accumulated in my cells down regulating every bit of cellular function that was should be there to protect me you know i got better by getting rid of that so you know we are so is society we are so about what we can add but most people today aren't sick because of a lack of a vitamin and i'll name five vitamins that I think are very important people lack. But most people are sick because it's too much of something.
These neurotoxins were being inundated with. And I'm telling you, it's wearing people out.
I mean, we never had a society with as much brain fog and anxiety as we do now. These are neurotoxic signs, Gary.
You know, and people, if you don't get to the cause of that, I don't care how much kava, CBD you take. I don't care what you do, how many biohacks you do.
You got to get through the cause. And that's the message I really want people to hear.
That's excellent. And how do people find you? I mean, how do they find you on Instagram? Obviously, yeah, you can find me on Instagram, Dr.
Pompa. You know, I have a following there.
I put out videos all the time. We're talking about that because my kids make me do that too.
You got to educate dad. My kids built my whole social media channel.
Exactly, me too. Anyways, but you know, pompaprogram.com, you can watch, I said that there's the free webinar there you can watch.
But yeah, no, I mean, you can get, I'm out there. Okay, yeah, I am.
And every podcast the same way by asking every guest the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this.
But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? A human? The ultimate human. The ultimate human in your purpose, functioning in your purpose.
Wow. And I'll tell you, and I want people to hear this because I get this question.
Well, how do you know or how do you find your purpose? Okay. If we look at our skill set, kind of tips to what we should be doing.
Look what you love. That kind of leans to it.
But most importantly, look in your pain. Your pain leads to your purpose.
So my wife and I have a saying because we've been through a lot of pain stuff in our life from pain to purpose and I'll broaden it even further I do believe God has a promise for everybody and the problem the

promise you know when we crying out for an answer he gives us a promise but here's the problem is humans we're always afraid to step into the promise and something happens biblically if you go through with the bible there's something it's when it says be strong and courageous the Hebrew words are rock Kazakamats and you know I'm no Jewish scholar and I'm not Jewish but those words mean a whole lot more than the English words the English words be strong courageous don't do it justice rock is Akamats means that God has already went into the promise for you and whatever fears that you have whatever kept you from stepping in or keeping you from stepping in, he deals with it. It's his strength, not yours.
So as Israel was about to cross the Jordan, all they saw was 31 armies. And all they saw was disaster.
God spoke through Joshua, Ra-Kazakamats Israel, meaning I've taken that, walk into the promise.

If you look everywhere in the Bible,

there's every time someone's about to step into a promise,

God has for them.

God will send someone, rock Kazakamats.

So the greatest hope is rock Kazakamats.

God's done it because people, we have fears.

Even we hold onto even our sick identities.

Yeah.

But you know-

So true.

Yeah, but walk in, don't have this,

because I know I didn't have any faith in myself or my strength or my abilities or my anything. But if you know,

God does it and he'll just step into the promise. He'll do it.
That's amazing.

Woo. That was an amazing podcast, man.
Thank you so much for coming on. This was nice.
So I thought

it was going to be great. So much better than I thought.
I'll put all of the links to what we discussed

in the show notes below.

And as always guys, that's just science.