179. Dr. Jigar Gandhi: Are Your Teeth REALLY Making You Sick?

The biggest misconception is: what is an organ?

Each tooth is an organ.

If we can believe that, then if it's dead, why are we keeping it there?

There are physicians out there that have said, I have never had a patient come in with any form of cancer that did not have severe dental decay.

The biggest thing is, patients are suffering from chronic issues.

When I see the x-ray, I don't even need the medical history because I can just look at each tooth and know what's going on there.

Patients are coming in sick, and these patients patients want to be better but they're not getting the right care.

Chronic infection causes immunofatigue, the progressive slow overwhelm of the immune system.

One of the things I've noticed on every patient who goes to this treatment, taking out the stuff that shouldn't be there, their eyes lighten up.

Brain fog gone, psychosis gone.

It's insane.

What else does my audience need to know about biologic dentistry or what symptom might they be having right now that they can't put a finger on?

One of the biggest problems with that is I'm like the 30th person they see.

They've been around everywhere.

They spent so much money on their health care.

And the major thing in biological dentistry is...

Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breco, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between.

And I'm so excited to welcome back a very close friend of of mine who's become a close personal friend of my family, my kids.

He's done so much for my family and I.

He's given me teeth, my wife, my daughter, my doctor.

Just about everybody in my life has gotten a tooth from this dentist.

He's one of the best biologic dentists in the world.

He's taught me so much about the importance of the oral cavity.

If you haven't seen the first podcast that I did with Dr.

Jagar Gandhi, you've got to go watch that podcast.

Biologic dentistry is now just hitting the mainstream.

We just launched our

short on oral health and oral health care and biologic dentistry, and it trended so fast that I said we got to bring Dr.

Gandhi back on to answer some of the questions from you guys and really take a deep dive into biological dentistry.

So Dr.

Gandhi, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast.

Thanks for having me.

Last time we shot it in your living room.

Yeah, we did.

Because I was actually up there to have a surgical procedure done.

I think when we did the last one, this tooth you had taken out and had the post, so you put this post in, and this tooth had come out, so you put this post in.

So

we think I get your tooth.

I still need a tooth over there, dude.

It's coming soon.

Yeah, I'm not airing the podcast till I get the tooth.

It's going to be like a little quid pro quo, dude.

Fair trade.

You want me to release the podcast?

I need a tooth.

But he's done this for my wife.

He's done it for my daughter.

He's done it for Dr.

Sardo, who's been our clinic director for years.

And you know what's crazy is that from that first moment that you and I, I mean, you and I had a friendship for a long time before you ever actually did any work on me.

And,

you know, we were clients of each other's.

We met through the 10X health system.

And I remember the day that I cracked my tooth and I called you and you identified all of the problems that I was having associated with that tooth, which I had never connected to that tooth.

I had left anterior shoulder pain.

I had a catch in my left lower lobe of my lung, which I just thought was runner's cramp, you know, from exercise.

And then I had this strange thing where once in a while my left toe, of all things, would either itch or it would go numb.

And sometimes I would tap my foot on the ground and Sage used to make fun of me because I would take my shoe off and I would just itch my big toe and I would put my shoe back on.

And I never connected that 19th tooth meridian to the symptoms that I was having.

And 48 hours after you took that tooth out, the symptoms went away.

And I think the thing that hit me the hardest was

being

woke to biohacking or whatever you want to call it.

I do the red light.

I do the sauna.

You know, I eat whole foods.

I focus on sleep.

I get in a sauna.

You know, I'm really trying to do the best with the tools that I'm given.

And

I

was completely oblivious to biologic dentistry, even though we were friends, and the impact that it could have on people's health.

And now, maybe because I started really digging into it, I get things through my feed all the time.

And

the claims range from

it has no impact at all, leaving dead tissue in the body doesn't harm you, to,

you know, there are physicians out there that have said,

I have never had a patient come in with any form of cancer that did not have a root canal or did not have severe dental decay.

And when you start to look at the maps of the nerves and the blood supply and the proximity to the brain and the drainage into the heart, it really starts to make sense

that as these signals are transgressing the body and passing through the oral cavity and back up through the oral cavity, and that decay and

parasites and bacteria and viruses that are here, you know, in your mouth, they're easy gateways into the body.

Yeah, correct.

Because the biggest misconception is what is an organ, right?

When we think about it, Dorland's medical dictionary will define an organ as something that has a nerve, which we have, is a trigeminal nerve that innervates the teeth.

Then you got the blood supply.

Then you also have the lymphatic drainage, which we neglect a lot in modern medicine, like lymphatic drainage.

Oh, it's just lymph.

No, the lymph is the pathway where everything's going to start spreading.

And then the function, mastication, right?

You're chewing with the the teeth.

So each tooth is an organ.

If we can believe that and go by that, then if it's dead, why are we keeping it there?

Or if it's infected, why are we keeping it there?

Right.

Is it okay?

Well, if you want something dead in your mouth, then keep it, right?

It's up to the patient.

But education is number one.

And that's what I'm seeing the most now.

Patients are coming in.

They're self-educating themselves, which is what we want.

Right.

You know, that's what you do.

really well is you're educating people and then they're learning about it more and more.

So they're going to the doctors and figuring it out like, no, this is the problem.

This is what's causing me or holding me back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, since my journey with you, I've referred you some of the most famous and impactful people in the world.

I won't mention their names.

They may or may not go public with their story, but I have yet to hear anything other than just astounding stories of, you know, we have a mutual friend from Atlanta that recently came to see you.

And

I won't say his name, but his blood work indicated that he had an autoimmune disease.

Correct.

Yes.

And so I called you up and I said, I'm going to make this introduction because during my discussion with him, I said, have you ever had a root canal?

And he's like, I've had four.

Have you ever had wisdom teeth?

Yeah, four.

You know, do you have other dental work?

And he just talked about bridges and caps and

root canals.

And so his mouth was a minefield.

I just knew it.

And I referred him to you.

And even though he was in a lot of pain

and recovering very well, I talked to him 48 hours after your procedure.

I think he still might have been in New York at the time.

And

he did not have enough good things to say about you, man.

I mean, he was just raving about, for him, it was...

the instant relief from his low back pain.

That's the number one thing that he said to me.

Yeah.

It went away.

Yeah.

He's like, and he said, I'm not going to mimic his voice because you'll know who it is.

I almost did my impression of who he is.

But he called me up and he was like, Gary, I'm not kidding you, man.

I am not shitting you.

This is not placebo.

My back pain is gone and I've had it for years.

It is gone.

And this has been months now.

And I talked to him about four days ago and he said,

it hasn't been back.

And

so nothing else changed other than he got this procedure done.

So if someone is new to biological dentistry, if someone is new to the concept of root canals and cavitations, which are these pockets of infection in the jaw that not all dentists are trained to see, right?

You need a special type of x-ray called a cone beam

x-ray.

If someone's new to this and wonders if it might be something they should look at to address symptoms they have, what's kind of the myriad, what's the world that these symptoms live in if there's issues in that part of it?

Just having a comb beam is one thing.

And it depends on who's looking at the x-ray, right?

Because biological dentistry and holistic dentistry now is being thrown around.

Like it's like real estate agents or day traders.

Like everyone's doing it, right?

Everyone's real estate.

And

that's the problem that we're facing because I see a lot of referrals or second opinions from patients who've visited biological dentists.

So it just, it depends on the training.

And we're working on it.

Like you did a podcast with my buddy, buddy, Dr.

Dom.

Oh, I love it.

Yeah, he's awesome.

And we're working on the godfather.

Yeah, yeah, he's really.

And we're working on trying to get the word out there, like well-trained biological dentists, not just with biological dentists, because now you do have to put that word just because that's the biggest problem that we're facing now.

It's just everyone wants to advertise biological dentistry.

Right.

So the biggest thing is patients are suffering from chronic issues.

Right.

And what we're looking for is, like, I'm a dentist.

I'm not a medical doctor.

So leave the medical profession out of this.

But when I I see the x-ray, I don't even need the medical history because I can just look at each tooth and know what's going on there by looking at the meridian chart as a reference tool.

And patients that are coming in sick, and these patients want to be better, but they're not getting the right care.

Right.

So, the biggest thing we're looking for is if there's metals in the mouth, whether it's titanium, mercury fillings, mercury crown, metal crowns,

any teeth that were taken out that weren't clean, like our friend who came in to visit us, um,

he had teeth that were taken out, but they were infected in there in the jawbone.

Wow.

But he was told that everyone's

shut, and because there's no tooth, and maybe, maybe even the nerve is dead, and the blood supply has been reduced or even eliminated.

That's that's the thing that's important for people to understand.

There's no pain associated with this, correct, it's chronic, yeah.

And it's not like you're stuffy and sneezy, and your chest is congested, and and you have pain in your jaw, or you have a lot of phlegm or mucus or things like that, the normal things that would drive you to seek some attention,

those are not there.

And I think a lot of times because those symptoms aren't there, we think nothing is wrong because we associate an infection with pain, redness, numbness, swelling, you know, some kind of dysfunction.

But

what are the most common symptoms?

And I know there's just a endless myriad of symptoms, but I would say if you were lumping your patients into major categories,

what are most of the symptoms that they're coming to you with?

Do they have autoimmune?

Do they have cardiac issues?

Do they have pain somewhere along the meridian chart?

Yeah, so autoimmune is big

and cardiac issues

and chronic inflammation.

So, and it's hard to determine where it's coming from, like elevated red blood, elevated interleukin one and six,

elevated ESRs.

So, they're coming in with a gamut of diseases.

Yeah, so these erythrocyte sedimentation rates and these interleukins are that he's referring to are different cytokines, different inflammatory compounds that are secreted from white blood cells and

in the body in response to an infection or the presence of a parasite or a virus or another pathogen.

Just wanted them to know that.

So general inflammatory markers would be things like C-reactoprotein or

homocysteine, you know, other things.

So these, you're saying that they'll have these inflammatory markers in their blood work.

Correct.

Maybe they've been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease out of the blue.

Yes.

No family history,

no real trigger that they can point to.

And, you know, chronic infection causes immunofatigue.

And we know now that one of the big emerging theories in

aging and longevity is this whole concept of immunofatigue, like the progressive, slow overwhelm of the immune system.

It's like putting a pound in your backpack every day until eventually you have so many pounds back there, you just can't, right?

And then the immune system essentially collapse and then bang, the fire starts.

And this is no doubt a part of that sequence of stressors that the immune system has to deal with that eventually cause it.

I mean, when you look at chronic fatigue syndrome, it's huge, right?

Look at what happened with your wife.

Yeah.

She had the cavitations, but it didn't know why.

She's always waking up late.

And now she's up early.

Yeah.

All of a sudden, absolutely true.

What changed for her?

She sleep improved.

She ruined the same protocols that you put her on, but dental work.

Yeah, you ruined my Good Morning Babe series.

It was the most popular series on Instagram and you screwed it all up because like I wake up in the morning like on fire and she slept in and it used to let me go get a workout and get a breath work and sunlight.

Then I would come barreling in the room and wake her up and i got so much joy out of that but and and that's what happens when the tooth is taken out like what you talk about tissue closes so when you take a look inside the mouth the tissue looks beautiful it's nice pink but what's underneath there and when the ligament is left behind what we call the periodontal ligament that causes the root of all evil it just becomes a swamp of pathogens in there and it could be any type of pathogens it doesn't have to necessarily be only bacteria Because as a dentist, we're trained on bacteria, fight the bacteria.

What about the fungus?

What about the parasites?

What about the viruses?

Yeah, I saw the spirochetes in my blood because one of the things that we did, and if you haven't seen our first podcast, you should really go back and watch it.

And right around that time, I did a post on Instagram.

If you scroll down, it's probably still on there, where we took it and we went back and we put it on a slide and looked at it under a microscope in your office.

What was astounding to me was we burst that little sack and we sort of smeared it on a slide.

So gross.

and looked at it.

And you could see the little spirochete parasites, these little helminths, and

excuse me, you could see my white blood cells, my macrophages kind of going after it like little Pac-Men, which I was, when I looked at that activity and I saw it with my own eyes, and we took that from the bottom of the tooth that you removed,

I was not only convinced, I was committed to

getting your message out.

And

that's why I also interviewed Dom and really just trying to spread the word of biologic dentistry because I think pain and symptomology is what drives people to seek attention and unfortunately this has symptoms but they're not the symptoms that you link back to the oral cavity there are symptoms of other kinds of chronic disease autoimmune cardiovascular um

you know uh psychiatric but you're not linking these back to the oral cavity because you don't have any symptoms here correct and and that's where right well first thank you for getting the message out there i mean you've made a world of difference with biological dentists dentists.

Like,

I've dentists all around the world that I'm friends with.

Really?

And by us doing that podcast, it helped get the word out there.

And we're not afraid of talking about it.

Because before, the message was like, hey, don't talk about it.

Just do it.

And we've known each other for a while.

Yeah, sadly, because it's outside the box.

Correct.

And it's so hard to get that message out.

But now it's like, okay, well, the science is backing us.

There's nothing weird we're doing.

We're just following the science.

And if someone is having these issues, like you talked about psych issues, well, if you have pathogens on your trigeminal nerve, they're going to go connect to the vagus nerve down over near your neck area and then go shoot up back to your brain.

So now you're in sympathetic and parasympathetic.

Your body can't decide.

So of course you're going to have psychosis.

You're going to have all these issues.

So if we can get

every medical profession out there, hey, like, treat the patient, but bring a panorex, bring an x-ray, just a visualization, a 2D visualization visualization of what you have going on.

And just simplicity, you're not going to diagnose.

I mean, just take a look.

Oh, well, you had some dental work here.

Go find the proper dentist and see if this can be correlated.

And we work as a team because that's the only way to get this out there and get optimal health for patients.

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Yeah, now, is there any kind of repository for real biologic dentists?

Is that something that you're working on so that, you know, obviously not everybody can fly into new york to see you um you're in you're in long island but is there a place if i'm in kansas or i'm in california or i'm in texas and i watch this podcast i'm like man i got to go yeah get with a biologic dentist is there a registry that we can find there is we're gonna we'll i'll give the link so then the okay so i'll link that in the show notes because it's also not just a biological dentist we want to make sure that they're fully trained okay great and they they can follow the same protocols like the same protocols that were used on you used in Sage, used on even Max, everything.

We can talk about this.

Throw Max out there.

Max, just through your medical information to 2 million people.

No, you've worked on my whole team.

I mean, with incredible results.

You actually owe Max a tooth, too.

He owes two people in this room.

Dude, come on, bro.

You guys are so busy.

He was supposed to come Monday, but I was like, don't say that.

Did you bring it with you?

I mean, can we pop it in on the podcast?

Here you go.

What was actually really cool is the last time I was in there, I was like, hey, you know, by the way, I chipped this tooth right here.

And you're like, no problem, fix the little chip that I had in my tooth real quick.

Like, like, like I'm a guy.

But

yeah, I mean, calling attention to it is important.

And I think, you know,

when you went in there and removed the tooth from me last time, I was really, it made perfect sense.

the mechanics of what you were doing because

you ran ozone and down into my jaw.

You ran red light, I even think green light, into my jaw, and then you took my blood, spun it down, and made these little slugs called PRF, platelet-rich fibrin, and packed them into the wound.

So take my platelets, which remember, platelets are

these cells that carry growth factors, and they're all the healing power of the human body.

And most people have heard of PRP,

platelet-rich plasma.

You know, it's infamous for being injected into joints and whatnot.

But when you can actually concentrate concentrate the power of the human body in one location, I was actually very surprised how well I healed,

how little pain that I had.

You know, I had some pain that night, which you handle with Motrin, but

I didn't take pain medication after the first night.

Didn't really interrupt my sleep and interrupted my chewing for a few days.

Stitches healed.

It completely was painless thereafter.

But what I got out of it, the level of mental clarity and the fact that all of these symptoms, you know, almost immediately disappeared was astounding.

But what I remember from the surgery is when the tooth came out, there wasn't, it didn't bleed much at all.

Correct.

And my gum was very light pink and it was oxygen deprived.

And you said, that's a bad sign.

And I remember you worked on it until we saw the bright red flesh.

fresh blood because you wanted that blood supply to return.

You wanted the immune system to be able to get there.

You wanted to be able to flush out the toxins.

And it just made so much sense to me.

I remember when I had the root canal done, it was like, wham, bam.

Thank you, ma'am.

It was just, I mean, the waiting room was full.

There was a line of

treatment rooms in this dental office I went to.

I won't say who it was, but a line of treatment rooms.

And all these dentists did was root canals and they were just churning people through there.

And I mean, he drilled it to the root canal, packed it, and I was out the door so fast.

I almost felt like, wow,

that was a really quick procedure.

I wonder if he got everything.

I wonder if he sanitized.

I just remember, I had that on my mind.

And then when we looked at the cone beam x-ray, there was an air gap in there and then the infection.

Correct.

And I think dentistry is probably the only practice of medicine that still believes you can leave dead tissue in the body.

A cardiologist doesn't believe that.

Nephrologists don't believe that.

You know, a colorectal surgeon would tell you, if the valve's necrotic, you got to take it out, right?

The crazy part for that is like when you think of if a tooth is sensitive, right?

You put a little desensitizer on there, there's two million tubules on a tooth or more, right?

On each tooth.

So whenever you do the root canal procedure, you're taking out the main nerve.

So now it's dead.

So all of a sudden the sensitivity goes away.

But think of a tooth like a sponge.

It's going to soak up all the water that you spilled.

Now,

When you do that procedure, do you think all the two million tubules are plugged?

No.

But they they did a great service for you because if you had severe pain or acute pain got to get you out of pain right so the procedure still is necessary in dentistry but what's going to happen after the fact we need to plan for the future to prevent any other disease from starting right because there is going to be something that happens we all start breaking down somehow right and if we want optimal health then okay well this is a problem here what are we going to address it now or in the future a few years from now if you what whenever but at least the patient has a game plan.

Yeah.

Right.

You know, what was really interesting is you and I geek out a lot.

We text things back and forth.

I mean, look at this study.

Look at this study.

The photos.

Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.

He sends these gnarly surgical photos, which maybe I'll throw a couple of them in the show notes so you guys can, if you're as gory as I am.

But they all have, you know, a happy ending.

That's probably.

They all have a bright spot at the end of the story.

And, you know, where you see these mouths just wrecked and torn apart, and then this beautiful smile emerge.

And,

you know, one of one of the articles that you sent me that I took a deep dive on was actually looking at the pathogens that are in some of these root canals identified as the same pathogens that they're finding in a lot of cardiac pathology,

including plaquing, scarring, narrowing,

calcifications, atherosclerosis, arterial sclerosis.

And when you,

and then you talked about it in this study, and I'll put the link in the show notes below because I don't want you to have to make a medical claim.

But

when they were mapping these pathways

directly down to the heart, and you can see that these bacteria and these pathogens have a wide open hallway to walk through.

They're not even any closed doors right into cardiac pathology.

And the fact that they were able to isolate the exact pathogenic species from the jaw in the heart

and as the genesis of some of these pathologies, I was like, my head was like, poof, you know, it just exploded.

And I believe that

dentists like yourself, especially under this new administration, I think you're going to see a wider lane opening under Maha for practicing this type of dental medicine because right now,

what do they they call it?

The standard of care or the scope of practice sometimes keeps physicians and dentists in a certain box.

And there's risk going up inside of that.

Um,

and I think as we drive patient awareness, which hopefully this podcast will do, um,

you know, hopefully we'll see those things become a little more relaxed.

I agree with you, you know, with uh we have a surgeon general, but we don't have a dentist general, right?

There's no, that's a good point.

There's no, there's, there's nobody and hopefully it will be casey means here very soon yeah absolutely yeah and hopefully you know she considers a dentist on her team as well because

without your teeth what are you going to do like how do you process foods right how are you going to get things into your body through an iv trying to get her on the podcast on the 21st so i'll ask her if she lands yeah her brother yeah 100 because it's something that we just got to work as a team yeah and if we work as a team then we can figure out the root of disease yeah chronic issues.

And maybe we don't need to spend as much money on medical care.

So if somebody's had a root canal, I mean, it's possible that it's not infected, right?

Correct.

It's probably 100%.

If it's done really well, 100%.

Yeah.

But if you've had a root canal

and you don't have any symptoms, what are some of the reasons why you should go seek a biologic dentist?

Yeah.

So to trace it.

through the meridian chart.

Are they having any issues like for you?

Like, okay, well, I'm not going to ask you if your toe is bothering you as a dentist, right?

But if you'd let me know,

I did.

When I took the picture, it's like, yeah, I knew what was going on because I saw you stop your toe a few times before.

Like, what is the guy doing?

Why are you stopping your toe?

Yeah, I would just tap it.

And then

after that, I'm like, okay, I put it together.

I'm like, hey, this is what's going on.

Dude, you asked me about left anterior shoulder pain, left lower lobe pain, and my left big toe.

I mean, it was so specific.

And by the time you gotten to the lung, I was like, you're freaking me out a little bit.

When you said the toe,

I really freaked freaked out because I didn't even, I haven't even told Sage, you know, that it's not like I'm walking around going, you know, once in a while, my toe itches.

It just was like a thing that wasn't one of those things that would drive me to the emergency room or make me go to the urgent care.

And I always thought it was like, I just sat on my leg wrong.

And I would only get that catch when I would exercise, but it was the exact same spot on the left side every time.

So I was like, maybe that's just where I'm getting a diaphragm cramp.

And then the shoulder, I was like, maybe I just have a minor bicep issue.

You know, like, biohacker, I'm like, I kind of know what that is.

It's, oh, yeah, that's bicep tendon.

But then, bang, it was, it was gone.

And I, and when you walked in today, I said, I've got to tell you, so many of the referrals that I've sent to you have text me.

And I showed you some of the texts when you got here, have text me with these miraculous turnarounds in things that they thought were chronic or totally unrelated.

Yeah, and no, I appreciate that because I've treated hundreds of patients who who've come from the podcast.

Even got some testimonials that they wrote

for you.

Do we have a rub share in place with him?

Should we be getting

tugged?

No, I love it.

I love the fact that I'm doing this.

You know, they're flying in from around the world because of this.

And they can't find the right care.

And going back to your story, I freak out a lot of my friends and I keep on with because they're like, oh, what the hell?

Like, how does he know?

But all you need is a 2D x-ray, a Panorex, like, and just to take a look, not for any diagnosis, and then compare it to the meridian chart.

In the meridian chart, we have one interactive on our website.

You can just click on each tooth and it'll tell you the references of what it points to.

And it's 5,000-year-old Chinese medicine, but they figured it out.

So it's nothing that I'm doing that's new.

They laid out the groundwork and just following it.

And it works every time.

And with...

they might not have symptoms like you didn't have symptoms all the time but that once in a while but that once in a while maybe like five minutes a day, it becomes 10 minutes a day, then an hour a day, and then it becomes every single day.

And then you just get used to it.

You're like, oh, whatever, I'll take a motrin, I'll take an Advil, whatever, you know, for it.

And I just learned to live with it.

But why are you living with it?

The body should heal.

That, that sign of one thing off should be a light bulb.

I need to get checked out.

Right.

Yeah, I totally agree.

And I think, you know, there's, you know, the pandemic probably did all of us a big favor and it sort of woke people up to wellness and becoming a citizen scientist, taking a lot of these choices into our own hands.

And I think if nothing else,

if you find a biologic dentist, I mean, there's no harm in going in, making an appointment and getting a cone beam x-ray, if that's what

they use.

And just seeing for certainty, because I'm not sure that some of these full body scans, like a Pernovo,

they won't show all the heart.

Yeah, they won't show it even clearly.

No, it's you need a dental 3D ct because i've gotten those quite a bit um your daughter yeah

it's like hey what's going on with this person yeah i kind of see a little bit here you know but need definitely a dental 3d scan or a ct scan but the pernova will kind of wake you up and say there might be a pathology here and then you can go in and zero in on it yeah yeah but but like going back to the the cardiac issues like the plaque right if you if they had the wisdom teeth we we know according to Marie and Charter connected to the heart, right?

All four chambers of the heart.

Now, if you have elevated, what we talked about before with cytokines, cytokine is, this is ranty's or CCL5.

If it's elevated, that can cause

vessels, like plaque in the vessels.

Now, but the prinovo scan might not show it yet, but in the future, it's developing, right?

So, if there's an issue here in the jawbone, we should address that prior to the plaque showing up.

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So, what do you feel are, like, what are the outcomes, some of the outcomes you're seeing?

Like, are you still surprised?

even though you're doing this every day by some of the stories you're getting from people that you you remove those teeth, you clean everything out, and then they come back to see you.

Let's say they get the implant in.

What are they saying?

Every day it's goosebumps.

Every day.

It's something else.

Yeah.

You send me some of them.

Yeah.

It's just surprising.

Like, yesterday I did a surgery about six hours long.

Insane surgery.

And today I saw him for his follow-up.

I'm like, how you doing?

He's like, I feel totally different.

Like, I mean, literally, you got beat up.

Like, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

He had severe infections in his jawbone.

And I've recorded some of the videos so I can can send them clips of it.

But he's like, I feel different today.

Yeah, he's swollen a little bit, you know, but he's like, I just feel different.

And one of the things I've noticed on every patient who goes to this treatment, cleaning up their jawbone, taking out the stuff that shouldn't be there, their eyes lighten up.

Their patients want to, and these patients are asleep for the next day, see them.

Their eyes just are totally different.

Really?

Yeah, it just clears it up.

There's just something about it.

I mean, it makes sense.

All the pathogens are here, right?

Your eyes, and they clear up.

But the ones who are awake when I do the procedure, procedure, when I get that last little speck out of there, cleaned up, you can just feel the energy.

It happened on you too.

It happened on everybody, Max, everybody, right?

As soon as I get that spec out, it's the blood's flowing.

Like, hey, how you doing?

And all of a sudden,

it's totally different.

They feel it, right?

Because it just opens up.

It's like brain file gone, psychosis gone.

It's insane.

Like joint pain gone, shoulder pain, neck pain.

You name it.

It just, there could be other stuff there, you know, but they're starting to feel the difference there.

It makes a lot of sense to me because, um, you know, along the lines of this immunofatigue, a lot of the viruses, some that you just named, people

think that they catch these viruses, but very often you don't catch them.

These are not things that are happening to you, they're things that are happening within you, right?

Because there are things that

you've always had that are becoming recurrent.

So, like, if you had mono in eighth grade, let's say,

it comes back as Epstein-Barr as an adult.

If you had chicken pox, you know, it comes back as shingles.

If you have the JV virus, it can lead to, you know, infections in the brain.

So, these are viruses that are already woven into our DNA.

And the immune system doesn't have a problem silencing these.

Every time a cell divides and replicates, these viruses are silenced.

But when you have a chronic low-grade infection, I think the important thing to understand is, yes, our immune system is good at managing these things, but only for a period of time.

Yes.

Right.

It's like, you know, even the greatest fighters rest.

They don't just stay in the ring and fight.

And if the immune system is in this low-grade fight constantly, it gets exhausted.

The immune system runs down.

And this is what triggers these viral pathogens.

And so, you know, you're not saying, you know, the root canal caused the Epstein-Barb.

The root canal caused the infection, which ran down the immune system, which allowed for this EBV infection or a cytomegalovirus infection, or it allowed a Lyme infection to become recurrent or shingles or any number of things.

It makes perfect sense because you are depleting the police force that's there to protect you.

And are there...

Are there specific markers

when you're looking at the blood of patients that have these infections?

what kind of markers would they see?

It's not going to be on typical blood work.

Correct.

I mean, maybe C-Ractoprotein, but what kind of markers would you see on a panel or would you pull to see if maybe a chronic infection might be the underlying issue?

So the problem is majority of the time, it shows nothing.

Right.

You can pull the interleukin 1, interleukin 6, TN alpha, ranties, or CCL5, and it's going to show nothing.

But you have these hidden chronic infections.

The problem is the body is walled it off.

The jaws, not the body, the jawbone has walled this infection off, basically encapsulated, right?

So the blood can't get to it.

And it's just a swamp inside.

So that's the biggest problem.

That's one of the reasons why it goes undiagnosed or hidden for years.

So trying to get the blood work and saying, okay, well, where is this coming from?

It's not one of those things that we do routinely because knowing that, hey, there's a chronic issue inside here, let's clean it up and then let's see what happens.

And they, once it's cleaned up, everything goes perfect for them.

What would you say are the most common three, four, five symptoms that you see?

Having treated so many patients when they get in the chair, is it headaches?

Is it um neurological issues?

Is it brain fog?

What are some of the unresolved things that you hear over and over again?

So, brain fog, brain fog, IBS or gut issues,

fatigue,

joint issues, fibromyalgia.

Well, that's part of it, right?

I feel like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue are these just big casting nets that don't really mean anything.

Well, they do.

I mean, they, they, they give you a name for the symptoms you're having, but I don't feel like when you're told you have chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia, that it's a thing that you can treat, correct, you know?

Um, so you hear that pretty, yeah, and autoimmune, autoimmune, yeah, it's

an autoimmune soul so fast.

Yeah.

Same thing like fibromyalgia isn't fast, right?

Joint pain so fast.

And it's because something is off.

Their immune system, like you just said, it's constantly fight or flight, constantly sympathetic overdrive.

And it doesn't know what to do.

And then the trigeminal nerve is linked to the vagus nerve.

They're connected.

So now if someone can't get into parasympathetic, how are they supposed to digest their food?

How are they supposed to do that?

You can give them all the supplements you want in the world.

They're like, it's not working.

Right.

Right.

Because they're stuck in this fight or flight state.

You know, it's interesting.

I was preparing for a talk not too long ago, and

I was just looking up stats on autoimmune disease.

And depending on the autoimmune disease, it ranges between 80 and 90 plus percent of all autoimmune disease is idiopathic, meaning of unknown origin.

So somewhere between 80 and 90, and sometimes more than 90% of the time, I don't remember the exact statistics for each one, but my jaw hit the floor.

When you're told that you have an autoimmune disease, Hashimoto's chagrins, lupus,

you know,

Crohn's,

when you're told that you have this autoimmune disease,

it's of unknown origin.

They go, well, we don't really know why you had it.

Oh, well, you know,

your...

aunt on your mom's side had it and your uncle on your father's side had it.

So it's probably familial, even though there's no gene that,

you know, would be linked to that autoimmune disease.

And

if that vast percentage of autoimmune disease, where you're led to believe, okay, you woke up one morning and your immune system decided to just randomly attack the colon.

So now you have Crohn's.

It decided to randomly attack the thyroid.

So you have Hashimoto's.

It randomly attacked the lacrimal gland in your eye.

You have chagrins.

It's hard to subscribe to that.

Like I woke up one day and my immune system just went haywire.

Very likely, you woke up one day and the immune system couldn't keep whatever it was at bay any longer.

And the sad thing about most people that are diagnosed with an autoimmune disease is that's when the search stops because they say you have Hashimoto's, so you need levothyroxine, cynthroid, armothyroid for the rest of your life.

And the patient goes, okay, I have this disease.

probably got it from my ancestor.

And the search stops.

But that's kind of where the search should begin, in my opinion, because I don't believe anything, and I don't have all the answers, but I just don't believe that anything in the human body is idiopathic.

I don't think anything is of unknown origin.

I believe that we

not know what it is, but a diagnosis should not be out of thin air, of unknown origin.

That should start the search, not end the search.

You know what I mean?

No, I agree.

I just recently met a doctor in St.

Louis and he said something very special to me.

He's like, I treat the symptom, not the the diagnosis it's like that's very interesting because we're so into diagnosis icd9 codes or ada codes like hey this is the dental code this is the medical code that everyone needs a diagnosis no let's go back take a step back look at the symptoms what are the symptoms how are we going to challenge the body to fix itself so if we get rid of whatever's blockage the body can heal and that's what i love about the human body and that's why i like got along with them so well because like we're both in the same field like you're a medical doctor and dentist, this is what we want because the human body can heal and it heals really well.

Like it's God's given gift somehow created us to heal.

Yes.

But we have these obstacles and roadblocks in the way.

And then you're labeled like, oh, you have a diagnosis.

Here's Hashimoto's or here's lupus and then just deal with it.

But then what do you, how do you deal with it?

You get a pill, but if you can't digest, then how's it going to work?

Like it's like, let's go back to the basics.

And that's the fun part about biological dentistry.

It's like, I love playing detective work with the patients.

Like, okay, well, when was this first thing done for you?

Okay, from let's go back in time and let's, did something happen?

Did something change for you?

Teenagers all the time, they're like, we call it freshman 15 or 20, whatever it's called now.

They're like, yeah, I just started to gain weight and just my, I started having gut issues.

But what did you have a few months prior?

Oh, yeah, I just saw the dentist.

I got my wisdom teeth taken out right before I go to college.

Okay, well.

That's the only thing you had done.

Anything else?

They're like, no, okay.

So, well, maybe we should just take a look there.

And that's our starting point.

Because if your life changed from that starting point, let's go back to it and let's see what we can do and how to make a difference for you.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

And I think that, you know, this is opening up a whole field.

Have you, have you seen, and I'm not asking you to make a medical claim by any means, but have you observed patients that had autoimmune conditions of any kind go into remission, or have you seen their antibodies turn off to the point where we would say, okay, that condition is now in remission.

Yeah, I have a patient who allowed me to share a testimonial, Tasha.

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

Her autoimmune is gone.

Epstein bar virus gone.

Really?

Where can I see that testimonial?

Right here.

Yeah.

Oh, right here.

I can post it.

Yeah.

It's on my phone.

She gave me a whole

testimonial to that girl.

Oh, she did?

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

So I'll throw it in the show notes.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, that's cool.

Thank you, Natasha.

Yeah.

What autoimmune did she have?

Epstein bar virus.

And something.

I don't know the specifics about it, but she went into the whole detail.

Yeah.

And then she had joint pain and completely gone.

Everything's gone.

So many people with diffuse joint pain.

And

do you think that that's because the immune system is distracted or do you think that these do you think that these bugs are migrating to low blood flow areas of the body, like joints, tendons, ligaments, you know, cartilage surfaces, things like that, where they can retreat?

You know, Lyme disease, for example, is infamous for hiding in what's called the dorsal root ganglion.

So retreating to this area of really limited blood flow.

It's like running into a dark alley so the authorities can't really see you.

I mean, viruses are great at doing that.

I think it's both, actually, because there's also the parasites there, right?

But the two parts I would say to that is one, that

it's inhibiting the blood flow or the electric, because if we look at the meridian charts or the meridian pathways, it's energy flow.

So if we're, and the human body's high power electricity.

So if electricity wire is cut, it can't flow anymore.

But if you look at high power lines, like an electrical plant, the electricity can jump.

And that's how the human body is.

So it tries to make it up.

And it's like, I'm going to keep on going and going until I can't anymore.

So when the flow is stopped, that's when the disease starts.

So that's part of it.

Another part, it's definitely hiding on the nerve itself because when I clean up the jawbone, especially if you're in the wisdom teeth area, I could see the inferior alveolar nerve, which is what we call the IAN nerve.

That gives us innervation sensory to our lower jaw.

And literally yesterday I was cleaning up.

I could see the whole strand there, but I'm cleaning all the pathogens off of it.

And an x-ray, you just see a black area and a white circle.

So you know that's the nerve.

Okay.

But how deep and how infected is you don't know until you get in there.

And when you get in there, I'm like, oh, oh, that's this whole nerve there.

And I'm cleaning those.

So now imagine all those pathogens, just not viruses, but parasites, mold, or fungus, and bacteria, they're making their way back up into the brain because they love that nerve.

Right.

They love its retrograde axonal transport, rat, right?

So they want to go backwards.

And now from there, now they got access to the rest of the body because

they're going to communicate with each other and then make themselves wherever they want to go hide.

And then that's where the joint pain or disease or organ stuff.

And I think it's important to point out that's why it's not linked to just one thing.

Right.

I mean, that's why it can

manifest itself in so many different ways.

You know, I talked about this with this condition, diffuse vasculitis or dystonia vasculitis, where there's

a certain thing.

I won't say what that thing is.

You can probably read between the lines, which causes proliferation of spike protein and causes the lining of the vessel to be irritated and inflamed.

And when you inflame that much surface area in the body, which is about six tennis courts, versus the surface area of the skin, which is about half a tennis court, and I'm talking about the lining of the blood vessel.

So you get an inflammatory condition, diffuse vasculitis,

dystonia vasculitis in this part of the body.

You've interrupted the most important blood-brain exchange

in a human being because now nutrients and raw materials, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, what have you, that are in the blood cannot exit into the tissue.

And waste from the tissue, and I don't mean stool or you, I mean cellular waste, can't exit the tissue and get back into the blood.

And so the myriad of symptoms that come from this is not

just singular.

And that's why people have a hard time accepting that this one hub can lead to all of these spokes.

Correct.

And I feel like biologic dentistry is like this.

You know, this one infection in the jaw, whether it's parasitic, viral, bacterial, or combination,

or fungal, or mold or mycotoxin, this, this infection can

manifest itself like this, like this, like this.

I mean, it goes from noon all the way back around a night.

Yes.

And

I think when

something has that diffuse of a myriad of symptoms, it's hard to say

it's that.

And that's why I think it's so important to just bring awareness to this because it may be as simple as you finding a biologic dentist in this registry that you're going to share with us

and going in, making an appointment and saying, let's get our teeth clean and let's just do this Gone Beam X-ray just for peace of mind.

It's like going in and getting a Pernovo scan or a full body MRI.

and do this, you know, just for peace of mind.

Yeah, like one of the patients you just shared, and she also said I could say her name, Amelia, she came up and Sage talked to her for a while and she was like, you know, on the fence of what was going on.

So she came up and she's like, yeah, I have trouble lifting my kid.

And that was touching because it's a newborn and she can't lift her child.

And I was like, okay.

And then she's just telling me she has symptoms with IBS and chronic joint age.

Like, okay, we did the surgery.

Next day, she's lifting her little kid.

I'm like, what's going on?

Like, my pain's gone.

I'm like, there's no way.

I'm like, there's no way.

She told me about that.

And that's why I'm stunned.

It gives me goosebumps every time.

The next day, I'm like, wow.

Now her big boss is in.

And her IBS is gone.

She's like, I don't want to share.

Like, you know, am I, but she's like, completely gone.

She always had trouble.

Yeah.

And I was like, okay.

Cause, and that just confirms like, cause I do all the studying.

It takes like 7,500 hours to graduate dental school in four years, just education.

I mean, I've studied over 25,000 hours after that because just me and you, like how we geek out.

And when I see something, it's like, go down that rabbit hole.

Love reading.

Oh, no, you're always sending me slides from lectures.

Half of these I would love to go to.

Yeah.

And it's interesting because it's like, I fly around the world to go learn because it's like, this is just, wait, you just did that and that person healed.

What am I doing wrong?

Or how did I mess up on somebody?

Because it's a Hippocratic oath.

It's an ethical duty of mine.

It's like, I can't do something wrong.

And if I did something wrong, I need to reverse it.

Yeah.

And it's just, just,

it's, it goes all around.

And that's the thing with it's hard to pinpoint one symptom or one issue.

But you know what's really exciting about that is I often try to make the argument that usually

multiple things in the human body don't fail at the same time.

They don't like you don't wake up with a mental illness, an autoimmune disease, irritable bowel syndrome, you know, chronic infection, a viral pathogen, parasite, you know, paresthesias, all of these things.

Usually what happens is one thing goes wrong that causes everything instead of multiple things failing at the same time.

And we rarely go back and look at what was the first domino to fall.

And we're so far down the line of dominoes that we're going, well, you know, you don't think, like I just had a client and I am not a physician and not licensed to practice medicine.

I was there with a licensed physician.

What was really interesting is he had a pretty severe neurological condition, which they thought was Parkinson's.

He didn't respond to the Parkinson's treatment.

And

it's getting progressively and progressively and progressively work.

And then we're looking through the blood work, and there are all these specific interleukins.

So all of these cytokines secreted from white blood cells.

And if you actually map the different interleukins, it will kind of tell you what that white blood cell was in the presence of, right?

It'll secrete a certain interleukin for one kind of enemy, and it'll secrete a different interleukin for another kind of enemy.

And so

I was looking at all these interleukins and I go, you know what's really interesting is each of these interleukins are cytokine secretions for the presence of a virus.

So this definitely looks viral.

Then we looked at the urine test and it was like, wow, they have a borrelia bacteria, which is a Lyme co-infection,

bacteria in their urine, really high levels of this Lyme co-infection bacteria.

And then we start to back up the clock and

lo and behold, I talked to him and he's like, yeah, I had Lyme disease in 2018.

And my head went.

And I was like, how did the neurologist miss this?

Because

that's not something that should be

discarded.

So what happened was this infection happened.

They thought it was fixed.

It stayed low grade.

And then the dominoes started to fall.

Autoimmune, neural inflammatory conditions,

you know, showing up as a neurological disorder, then showing up in the prefrontal cortex and then affecting memory and then mood and then emotion.

And so by the time

you get as far down the road as we were, you're not really thinking of how do we go all the way back to the beginning and see if we can find that first domino.

Let's just start standing these things up in reverse.

And I feel like for a lot of people,

these oral cavitations are that domino.

Because it's especially frustrating for people like me

that

I would consider to be, you know, taking fairly good care of themselves, right?

I don't, certainly don't profess to be Mother Teresa, but I'm conscious of the food that I'm eating.

I'm conscious of my sleep.

I'm conscious of my air and my water.

And, and, uh,

you know, so, and there are a lot of people like that.

We exercise regularly, get sunlight, all the, all the things.

And, and yet there's, there's something that's just off that you can't put a finger on.

Yeah.

And, and maybe this is that domino for them.

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and i agree 100 with you because the we see patients who are athletic and but they gained a little bit of weight then they lost weight right and then all of a sudden they're on this diet and they're like i just got sick.

Was it the diet that made me sick or was it what I have inside my mouth?

Then you have patients who are overweight, obese.

They're like, everything's fine on them.

Their mouths are a complete mess because their bodies of visceral fat can secure the toxins.

Visceral fat, abdominal fat holds onto toxins.

Then they start to lose weight and they're like, I just got sick.

I should just gain the weight back.

No, it's you lost the whole thing started years ago when you had all all this done.

You gained the weight.

There's a reason why you gained the weight, not just because of poor lifestyle.

It's because you couldn't digest the food properly because you went into sympathetic overdrive, but your body was handling it.

And then you decided, hey, I want to go to, you want to get healthy again.

I want to lose all this weight, which is great.

Then you got sick.

Yeah.

So they're like, damn, what did I do wrong?

I should have just been, I should have just been overweight.

Yeah.

It's a complete wrong thing to do.

Yeah.

It's, we got to go back to that starting point.

And that's the fun part.

That, that's the part where the patient has to be their own advocate, do a timeline.

And that, that just helps us all out.

It helps you out because you overlook a lot of people's care underneath the medical team, right?

Yeah.

And it just helps get to that, okay, well, now that's where it started.

Let's, let's go look at that.

And then if we get to that starting point, everything just rises.

Yeah, totally agree.

You know,

so I think we've hammered home the need for people to get this checked out.

You know, I often talk about my morning routine, my sleep routine, and part of my morning routine, and I want to get your opinion on this, is

taking our oral care routine from just being the bare minimum, which is just brush your teeth,

to what I would call like platinum oral care routine.

So,

how important, in your opinion, is it to add tongue scraping, flossing, things like oil pulling?

Are you a fan of those?

Because, like, my oral routine is I use a hydroxyapatite toothpaste.

I'm not a huge fan of using the high fluoride toothpaste, floss at night.

You know, swish.

I tongue scrape at night and in the morning with a copper tongue scraper because remember, the copper is not the important thing.

It's just that it doesn't harbor the bacteria.

100%.

Yeah.

And a lot of these are plastic or they're,

you know, aluminum.

They just don't have the same capacity to be bactericidal as copper.

And those things are dirt cheap.

I mean, I think you can get it for five, six bucks on Amazon.

But

it is astounding how much better I feel when I just add those

few little things.

Just the tongue scraping, I keep a little dish of organic extra virgin olive oil and I'll just take a half a tablespoon of it and I'll switch as long as I can.

I never do 12 or 15 minutes like

it's like, dude, your mouth gets exhausted.

30 seconds feels like 10 minutes.

My AHD kicks in.

I'm like, screw this, dude.

This is like, this is an absolute pain in the ass.

But

amazing how much better I feel.

And my gums used to be really sensitive.

They're not sensitive at all now.

My teeth are not sensitive at all.

So

how important is that oral care routine?

And where would you say each of those things falls on the spectrum?

So tongue scraping, 100% super important.

Mouthwash, I would get rid of.

Yeah, I don't think I'd pour it out because the biggest thing is

some of them are floor cleaners or antiseptics, whatever you're using.

Biggest problem with mouth washes, you're wiping out the good bacteria plus a bad bacteria, but then you're also low in nitric oxide, right?

Because it starts from the back of the tongue.

So then people are low in nitric oxide, low in energy.

So just get rid of that.

Coconut oil pulling, virgin olive oil pulling, 100% important.

Probably at least five minutes.

Okay.

Do recommend 10 minutes, but at least get five minutes.

Three to five, I think.

Yeah, I can do.

Yeah.

So, and then don't spit it down in the bathtub, you know, put it in.

Someone's going to slip after you.

Don't spit it in.

I know.

You shouldn't be spitting in your bathtub anyway.

I mean, that's a whole different discussion, but I spit it into the garbage can because I'm afraid that it will like cool off and coagulate again.

It'll be a problem.

I think.

With toothpaste, that's the biggest thing.

I use a tooth powder because anytime a paste is formed, there might be a chemical in there.

So I use a tooth powder.

Okay.

It has beta-line clay in it, has cinnamon in it, has

hydroxyapatite in it, like particle form.

So I like using that.

Yeah, I've used the

I've used the dry chewable tablets too.

Yep.

I've used those before too.

I forget what the brand was.

If I find out, I'll link it in the show notes.

No, I don't have an affiliation with any of those.

But

that's made a huge difference.

Flossing and oil pulling has made a huge difference.

Man, if you just want your mouth to feel good,

brush, tongue, scrape, floss really well, and then oil pull either with something really thin, like a coconut oil, I mean a

extra virgin olive oil.

Or I take the whole coconut oil thing and pull it in there.

Man, when you spit that out when you're done,

I don't know.

Something feels like just healthy and alive in there.

And it adds two or three minutes to your oil care, I mean, your oral care routine and

five bucks to your budget.

Well, the floss is super important, right?

So you got to make sure now it doesn't have PFAs,

all those forever chemicals in there because a lot of the floss is not good.

It has plastics.

Now you got microplastic toxicity going into your gums.

You know, those blood vessels, the gums are alive.

So So now you have to do it.

So what are some good floss to do?

So no affiliation.

Cocoa floss is one of them.

Cocoa?

Yeah.

And then Davids has one with your PFA clean and everything clean.

But a water pick, a simple water pick.

Yeah, water picks.

That will do the trick, right?

It'll get the food out in between the teeth.

Naturally, like fossils is super important because we're told fossils important, but

the teeth can remineralize.

If you have the right diet and taking good care of yourself, the teeth are going to remineralize.

It's hard for food.

If food's getting stuck stuck between your teeth, there's a problem there.

Either you have recession, periodontal disease, it's to get over to a dentist and figure out why you're getting food stuck between the teeth.

Majority of the time, food that you're not, there's spillways, it should just wash right between.

But it's amazing how many times I swish at night and I'll see like a little particle come out.

Yeah.

And I'm just like, just happy that I did it.

Well, what else does my audience need to know

about myologic dentistry, why they should seek, you know,

consult with a biologic dentist, or what symptom might they be having right now that they can't put a finger on where

your antenna goes up and says, you should come see somebody like me.

That's exactly why they should see a biological dentist.

That's exactly why, because they cannot, no, what you said last, because no one could figure out what's going on.

And the biggest, one of the biggest problems with that is I'm like the 30th person they see.

They've been around everywhere.

They spent so much money on their health care.

They're so skeptical by the time they come together.

And then they're like, okay, fine, I'll just do it.

And then they're like, I should have started here.

I'm like, yeah, unfortunately, like Dennis, we're the tail.

We should be the head.

We should be a teether in the head, right?

We should be the first one to go see.

It's important to see everybody, but we should be up at the top priority.

But if they have something that no one could figure out, definitely go see a biological dentist.

Amazing.

But the other thing is preventative care, right?

Why wait for something to go wrong?

Just get the scan done.

Go to the right biological dentist we'll put a link there i'll get you the link so this way get checked out and if something's there you don't need to go after it right away if you don't want to but at least now you know and you you can plant right right and you know the the major thing in biological dentistry is

the ones that we're trained uh we look for any metals

anything that's titanium any anything mercury or whatever you want to the silver fillings whatever you want to call it these days because there's so much mass you know there's so much bureaucracy behind it uh the metal crowns or gold crowns gold crowns were called the gold standard but it's actually causing galvanic shock it's it's it's causing whole great electrocution yeah you know it's like touching a nine volt battery yeah go touch it all day long right

shown me some of the um images when you take these teeth off and they've got the um they've got those metal yeah it's all black underneath it's all black underneath because it's just been a low constant battery yeah and now how do you say that tooth that tooth is dead it's been dead for a long time like form and function was okay that's traditional dentistry but biological dentistry is going past form and function right so we want to see what what else is going on with that tooth right right um the next thing is if you have a dead tooth or root canal treated tooth if there's something a dead tooth meaning it was injured you got into an accident whatever might be discolored get that checked out there could be a low-grade infection underneath there that's hidden yeah then if you had a tooth taken out and it wasn't taken out with the biological dentist just get it checked out to see if there's something there yeah right the bite is of course is important uh and then the the oral gut connection.

That's huge because everything's metabolic.

If the gut's not working, how's your body going to ever process anything?

So those are the five major things.

The first three things are always like the routine.

The other two, we want to make sure.

And not everyone needs perfect bite.

We all want one perfect bite, like the detail clue to each other.

But as long as it's adequate, we're okay because there's a lot of other things to do majority of time.

Right.

So for my audience that didn't see the first podcast and doesn't know who you are,

how do they find you?

How do they find out more about you?

Where can they locate you?

Yeah, so they can go to toothandbody.com.

Toothandbody.

Yeah, dot com.

And then there's an interactive meridian chart that we talked about and we stressed on this podcast.

And there's a link there.

They can put an inquiry and then we'll get back to them.

Okay, so

absolutely.

And you know, the final question because you answered it last time.

It's coming.

What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

So, you know, things have changed, right?

Because

last time we did it, yeah.

He's going to say to be filthy rich.

Money is a byproduct of everything, right?

So it's just so

it's optimal oral, optimal health care, right?

We all want to be healthy.

And the thing is, there's so many blocks, there's so much information coming at us, like, oh, do this, do this, or do this, do that, right?

It's breaking it down and learning how to be the best person I could be.

And what's changed a lot is my spirit.

This is something that's become more spiritual and the energy flow.

And it's just wild how it tracks.

So, yeah, man, it's just

so good.

Yeah, you're singing my tune, man.

I am a big believer in the power of prayer, which is essentially the law of attraction and the law of abundance and frequency and,

you know, tying into the quantum because there is a lot more that we don't understand and that we can't yet specifically.

I agree.

There is science that explains what we don't understand, but we won't understand it because it's too far out there.

Yeah.

Right.

And there are machines out there, gadgets that measure

the meridians, the electrical voltage, right?

But

it's just phenomenal.

And when you connect with those people, it's like we were supposed to be in the room together.

Somehow.

We took a flight from, you were from coming from Germany, someone's coming from Switzerland, someone's coming from Mexico.

We were just supposed to be in that room together.

Yeah, it's wild.

I totally agree with you.

You know, totally off topic.

But

Sage and I just recently went to the pyramids in Egypt.

And, you know, a lot of people talk about this feeling when you're there, this, this sort of just presence of some, you know, kind of force or spirit.

And

when you're standing there and you're looking at these 72-ton

rocks, okay, solid pieces of granite that weigh 72 tons a piece, And you see them stacked hundreds of feet high.

And we're applying all these modern engineering, you know, theories on how it happened.

And you see that from one corner of the pyramid to the other corner of the pyramid, it's only sank

eight millimeters,

eight millimeters.

I used to live in a building in Miami called the Porsche Tower.

Yeah.

And it's like

a building.

Yeah, the round one that had the car elevator in it.

And I read an article like five weeks ago.

And if you live in the Porsche Tower, no, it's not going to fall into the ocean.

But I read an article that they went up and did an engineering survey and the building had sank on one side

3.7 inches.

Oh, wow.

I'm like, okay, that thing was built in 2018.

Yeah.

And it has sank three and a half inches, 3.7 inches.

The pyramids have been there for 5,000 years.

And there's a difference of eight millimeters.

from one side to the other.

I mean, it's so, it's, it's such a, you know, low-grade slope that, you know, you can pour water on one side, it won't run to the other.

It's just fascinating to me.

And I don't go, I'm not down the alien rabbit hole.

I'm not, you know, I'm not saying anything supernatural, but you realize that there is a lot that we don't understand.

I think that, you know, our society went one way with our understanding of combustion engines and pulleys and levers and traditional science.

But there's a whole other science, you know, that I think is now becoming more mainstream about

spirituality.

And by spirituality, I don't necessarily mean religion, but spirituality, our connection to each other, purpose, commitment, you know, the effect that emotional states have on our health, gratitude versus vengeance.

And, and, um,

you know, so I think you're right.

Yeah, I agree 100%.

This, like, since we met, since we known each other, this has been a spiritual journey for me.

Yeah.

You know, it's not religious.

It's just something about energy and something of how the human body just starts to work.

And I don't know why I was put in this position.

You know, it's just, I was not even a dentist.

I was not even a major.

I didn't even major like in science or dentistry going into college.

I thought I was going to be a finance guy, a Wall Street guy.

That's what I went into school for.

My mom was a dentist, so it was just something that I was like, oh, I'll just do it.

You know, it's like, whatever.

I'll just take science classes.

I'll be a dentist.

And then once I took those courses, I just like nonstop and just now I got to be on the list.

Well, now you're just so passionate and driven about it.

Like you and I really do geek out.

And like legit, he'll be sitting in these these lectures somewhere around the world.

He starts taking pictures of the screens and the slides.

He's like, oh my God, look at this with vitamin D3 and this pathway of vitamin C.

And I'm like, dude, why didn't you tell me I want to do, I would have gone there to that.

Like I want to go to the peptide conferences.

I want to go to the dental conferences.

I'm so fascinated by it.

And it's just amazing to have pioneers like you, Dr.

Gandhi, you know, out there fighting for the truth, you know, staying ahead of the curve, not stopping your learning curve when you got out of school, reading your peer-reviewed journals, going to lectures, trying to further educate yourself.

I think, you know, there's something in the Hippocratic Oath about intellectual curiosity.

And I think it was Hippocrates that said, you know, I'm paraphrasing it and bastardizing it, but something along the lines that, you know, when physician in the practice of medicine loses their intellectual curiosity, they really lose the capacity to give care.

And you've definitely got that intellectual curiosity.

Thank you, man.

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